DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode – The Cocaine Enema Was Real and More Rock ‘N’ Roll Truths and Mythbusting, Plus Ken and Barbie Did WHAT On Christmas?

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

This week in the After Party, Jake gets into the great rock 'n' roll myths: we're talking cocaine enemas, ham sandwiches, mud sharks, and stomach pumps. And speaking of rock 'n' roll, we want to hear your stories of rock animalism - what are the important rock tales that we should preserve?Next week, we're bringing you an episode on one of the greatest funnymen of all time - Chris Farley. As Saturday Night Live gets ready to celebrate 50 years, we want to know: Who is your favorite SNL performer? Which era is your favorite? Who made you and your friends laugh the hardest? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod.To hear an extended version of the After Party and hear a chilling Christmas true crime tale and a heartwarming story of generosity, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership.For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as:Episode 115 & 116 - Mama Cass ElliotEpisode 39 - Led ZeppelinEpisode 87 & 88 - Fleetwood MacEpisode 153 - Michael Hutchence of INXSEpisode 113 - Robert JohnsonVisit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch!Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTERFollow Jake and DISGRACELAND:InstagramYouTubeX (formerly Twitter) Facebook Fan Group To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of disgrace land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about rock and roll myths,

some incredibly salacious ones and calling BS. And hell yeah, we get into this week's subjects of our full episode, Elvis Presley and Johnny Ace. Get into a little Jay-Z update, talk Taylor and Beyonce and the bonus. section, discuss your favorite Christmas songs and rock and roll myths as we, of course, dive into your voicemails, texts, and more. And as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, this goes, let's get into it. Mama Cass from the Mamas and the Pappas dying from choking

on a ham sandwich. Michael Hutchins from in excess dying from auto asphyxiation. Paul McCartney killed in a car crash. Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil. Jim Morrison is the zodiac killer. Rod Stewart having to have his stomach pumped. Stevie Nix and the cocaine enema, Alice Cooper biting the head off a chicken on stage. Led Zeppelin in the mud shark thing. I'll get into the details on that in a minute. Johnny Ace dying by his own hand playing Russian roulette on Christmas. Elvis is still alive.

I saw him yesterday down at the Piggly Wiggly Wigley buying scratch tickets and a donut. Okay, we've covered in one way or another most of these myths in disgrace land. I added a couple new ones to keep it fresh. And I'm bringing them up this week because, obviously, we get into the incredible myth of R&B singer Johnny Ace, who it is widely believed died from playing Russian roulette on Christmas Day in 1954, as I just mentioned. I love this story for many reasons, mainly because, though, that I went into the research thinking that this myth was true. Now, not to spoil the episode, for those who haven't heard it yet, but, well, that ain't what happened. What actually happened, though, is way more interesting. And just like the truth that busts all of these myths that I've mentioned,

the myths that get us into the door, the kernel of truth within the myth, attracts us to these stories. Did Mama Cass die from eating a ham sandwich? No. But does she look like she could have? Well, yeah, she kind of does. And the reality of that sucks. It's wrapped up in all kinds of judgment and fat shaming and more.

But the truth is that Cass Elliott was a profoundly unhealthy woman who took way too many drugs and drank way too much alcohol and it all caught up to her. But again, she looks like a ham sandwich could have done her in. And we ask ourselves why that is. We then dive into her backstory. And voila, we gain entry into an incredible story, a story we didn't know existed, a story that goes way beyond the trite 60s drug and alcohol indulgence and into international drug trafficking, into not only a myth-busting story, but a history-busting story of what actually happened the night Mama Cass's best friend, Sharon Tate, was murdered by the Manson family. And for me, all of that because the myth got me into the door.

How Michael Hutchinson died from sexual auto asphyxiation, but look at that Adonis of a man. Yeah, sure, I get it. He could no longer be satisfied. He'd had every beautiful woman on the planet. Auto asphyxiation makes sense, but, uh-uh, suicide. Why? Well, again, the why is super interesting, and now we've gotten ourselves into another incredible story. Paul McCartney, dead in a car crash. Nope, didn't happen. But the story of how that

ridiculous myth took root and captivated most of Western culture, that's interesting, man. Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil? I don't think so. I think Robert Johnson was the devil. Wait, let's see, see, see, now I got your attention. So let's learn more about this Robert Johnson guy. And there's a disgrace land episode for that, for all these stories, actually. Well, most. Jim Morrison is the zodiac killer. All right, I started that one. Rod Stewart and the stomach pump. Okay, this one there's no episode for. And we're going to get into this one

in more detail in the next block when we get into your voicemails and text. Stevie Nix and the cocaine enema. This one, I believe, as outrageous as it is, I believe it. I don't care if it makes me sound like a loony. Go read Stevie's denial of this story. Thin. T-H-I-N for Nix.

Had her roadies blow Pablo's powder up her backside because her name. Casal cavity was so damaged, she could no longer snort the drug that she was highly addicted to. I mean, honestly, this isn't even that debauchous when you measure it on a scale of one to Caligula. It barely even approaches Diddy. Stevie Nixon the cocaine enema. I'm believing this one.

Also, great band name. You can have that one, Stevie Nix and the cocaine enema. Alice Cooper biting the head off of a chicken on stage. Not true. And not original. This is too close to the story of Ozzy Osbourne biting the head off the dove, which is true. Can't Alice Cooper get his own? goddamn myth. Did the Alice thing, now that I think about it, did the Alice thing come about

first? I think it did. Should I do an episode on Alice Cooper? This is one of the myths where the story behind it isn't that compelling to me. I don't know. Maybe it is. I guess I'm interested in how Alice Cooper managed his image, maybe, who he was on stage versus who he was off stage. I think there's an early Zappa connection there. Todd Rundgren, then golfing with George Burns and finding Jesus, not very rock and roll, but interesting, I guess. I'm sure there's some stuff there that's going to make me want to dive further here. Let me know what you guys think on Alice Cooper and whether or not I should do an episode on him.

Now, Led Zeppelin and the Mud Shark, this story is so wild that I only alluded to it in the Zeppelin episode. I guess I more than alluded to it, but I didn't indulge myself in the storytelling around this incident as I've done with some of these other myths because this one is so messed up and fuck it, we're going to talk about the Rod Stewart thing later,

so I guess I can say what this one is for the uninitiated. The story of Led Zeppelin and the mud shark. You know, Led Zeppelin supposedly used a mud shark to, I don't even know how to say this, to have sex with a woman, to penetrate a woman, a groupie. I'm realizing that the reason I didn't go full on with the story of the episode is because I actually believed that it happened.

And the fact that I think it's real makes it actually offensive. To me anyways, the story has been amended by history to claim that it wasn't a shark, that it wasn't a mud shark, but it was a much small. smaller fish. I think the last thing I read was it was a snapper or something like that, which again only makes this more believable to me. This one's fucked. This story's disgusting. Another music myth, JZ is a good guy. How's that for a transition? Obviously, though, let me back up. Obviously, though, we're talking about the music myths because that was the question of the week, which music myths do you guys love? And I heard a little bit

from you guys on a lot of these topics. And we're going to get into the more when your voicemails and new text later on. But I wanted to just touch on how many of these we've actually covered in disgrace land and some that we haven't. And this isn't really my foray. I'm not really into the myth side of things. I'm more into the true crime side of things. But I want to know from you guys what I'm missing here. And if anything, get in touch and we could talk about it like we are the Alice Cooper thing as being a potential episode. But back to Jay-Z, okay? The music myth of Jay-Z being a good guy. I was 50-50 last week on whether or not I thought that Jay's he was guilty of the rape allegations being levied against them. Those odds have slipped slightly based on last week's events.

I'm now probably 45-55, tilting toward thinking that Jay is actually guilty of what is being alleged the crimes he is alleged to have committed. I'm not going to die fully into why, because not a lot of news is broken in the past week on the Jay-Z side of this story. If you're a law and order nerd, I'm sure you feel like plenty has happened, but I don't think so. I just don't want to be rehashing lawyers going back and forth in the media. One thing worth noting, though, we did see the alleged victim speak to NBC. There are inconsistencies in her story, and we've seen Jay-Z and his lawyer double and triple down on the aggressiveness of their denial.

They've formally moved to have the case dismissed. Okay, we've seen Tony Busby, the larger-than-life Texas attorney who's bringing the case against Jay-Z dig in. Okay, Busby's not giving an inch. So unless we're following every legal breadcrumb here, there's not much to talk about. Jay's tactics have been able to hold the line with public opinions so far, okay? The NFL is still backing him. There seems to be a wall of support online from fans and friendlies in the, press in the face of these allegations. The bleeding has been stifled for the moment, at least,

as it pertains to public relations. So if things are pretty much status quo, why do I now think Jay-Z is more likely to be guilty of these alleged crimes than he is likely to be innocent? Why is my opinion on this changed over the last week? Because here's why. I think it's less likely that Tony Busby is an ignorant fool than it is that Jay-Z was the rapy creep that they're alleging he was 24 years ago. That's just my gut. Okay, for Tony Busby to pursue this case in the first place and to then double down after the fierceness of Jay-Z and his legal team's response, Tony Busby would have to be operating from a point of stupendous, hubris, an idiocy.

And I just don't think the guy is that dumb. He's already worth $50 million, so he doesn't need money. He has government contracts with the state of Texas. Okay, so he's got work, that's my point. He also has a reputation to uphold. You shoot at the king and you miss.

Eh, you shoot at the king and you miss with an unloaded gun. It's just too dumb. I could be wrong. But I don't think that's who Busby is. And I think his claim that he has evidence is more believable than Jay's claim that he's totally innocent. I could be wrong. Okay, I want to stress that.

But given the facts that are on the table right now at this moment, that is where I am at. Now, I'm not saying Jay-Z is guilty. I'm just saying I'm slightly on one side of the seesaw than the other. And I should also say that if new evidence comes to light, and I'm sure it will, I reserve the right to change my mind based on new facts, okay? But as of right now, this is just what my gut is telling me. It's slightly more likely to me that Jay's guilty as alleged. We get more details.

We get more importantly, we get more interesting details on this case. And I guess broadly on the Sean Combs case, I will have them for you here in the after party. Before we get to the rest of today's after party, though, I just want to mention our rewind episode. It's going to pop up on your feed the day after you hear this bonus episode. And that rewind episode is another Christmas-themed story. This one on the incredible country singer Merle Haggard. So check that out, okay, for all your honky-talk Christmas vibes. And even if you

don't know who Merle is, you're going to want to hear this story. Muriel is one of the best to ever do it. All right. Okay, following Merle next week's episode, another story that takes place around Christmas. It's on Larger Than Life, Life of the Party, Chris Farley. So when you're listening to this episode, you're no doubt going to be thinking of SNL and the SNL cast that you loved growing up. Let me know. 617-90666-6-6-3-8. Which SNL performer is your fave and from which era?

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Listen to Wicked Words on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we're going to get to your texting and voicemails in a second, but I want to talk to you guys real quick about something. As I just mentioned before the break, hit me up with your answers, question of the week on SNL. But I'm also looking for something else from you guys this week. I want to know what's your story. Okay, I want to hear from you guys on any story related to rock and roll that you want to tell. It can be a story that happened to you at a concert or a show. or just listening to music.

It can be a story about an artist that you heard about, that I don't know about, okay? But screw that. Don't worry about the story being unique or something that I or others have heard. It can be any story of rock and roll animalism that you love. It can be a story, like I said, you already heard in disgrace land that you keep going back to,

that you shared with others, a story that you and your friends can't stop thinking about, that you talk about often. All right, I'm serious about this idea of preserving the true spirit of rock and roll. that we talked about in a few of these previous bonus episodes. To do so, you guys, you got to help me out. Disco's got to help, all right?

Send your rock and roll animal story, any story. Send it into me. I'm going to start cataloging them. I'm going to start talking about them more here in the after party with you guys directly. I'm going to start featuring you and your stories every week in videos on social. So give me a little bit about yourself as well. Who you are, what your name is, where you're from, how long you've been listening to Disgraceland? and anyone you want me to shout out when I feature you and your story.

Okay, the guys down at the job site, the girls in your office, on your shift with you, your cat, your dog, your brother, your sister, whoever. I'll pick one story. I'll pick one story and feature it in a video on social and I'll get to use my Carl Castle voice this week's story. The week comes from Deb in the 212. And then I'm going to read your story in a bit about you, maybe put in some visuals to the video. And then we'll, you know, we'll talk about some of the other stories here in the

after party as well. Like this whole process is going to be us sort of maintaining, preserving the true spirit of rock and roll. I don't know exactly what this is going to turn into, but it's, it's all about us together preserving these stories beyond the podcast. And at a minimum, this project will give us the opportunity to start talking more about these wild tales here in the after party and on social every week when I pick one of you and feature your story. So the kinks, they had the village green Preservation Society. This is something like the Disgraceland Rock and Roll Preservation Society, the Disco Rock and Roll Preservation Society, something like that.

So hit me with your stories. Any story, any rock and roll animal story you got, 617-90666-638 voicemail and text at Disgraceland Pod on the socials. Okay, let's hear from Jessica in the 314. Hi, Jake. It's Jessica. You're a friendly neighborhood massage therapist. I really want you to debunk.

the Rod Stewart's stomach pumping. My uncle has brought it up multiple times. I don't know why he even thinks about it, but I keep telling him that's not physically possible. So I just would really like some real factual information on that. Thank you. Jessica, I don't know who your uncle is, but he does have a weird,

you're hinting at a weird fascination here with this story. And it's a weird fucking story. It's a bit too ridiculous. I never believed it, the Rod Stewart having his stomach pumped. So this morning, on the heels of your voicemail, I looked it up and I learned how this story came to be. And I remember hearing the story as some of you did when I was a kid, okay,

in like elementary school. The story is, the myth is that Rod Stewart took on nine sailors. Rod's a giving lad, I guess, because this was fallatio. And like I said, Rod, yeah, Rod was doing the deed there. And anyway, afterward, as the ridiculous story goes, Rod had swallowed so much that he had to have it all pumped out. Okay, dumb, dumb fucking story. Clearly, it never happened. But this morning, I asked how could this become a myth?

I looked it up, and it's pretty interesting. Okay, so it's, I believe this is the early 80s when this takes place. Could have been the late 70s, but I believe it's the early 80s. And apparently Rod Stewart had pissed off one of his publicists or his main publicist, a disgruntled ex publicist. I found the guy's name, but I'm not using it here. Now, look, I'm not trying to be insensitive here at all. I'm just telling you the story.

All right. So do not judge me for this. Apparently, Rod Stewart was staying at some hotel with his family, friends, crew, whomever, on the road, I guess. And he had a son with him. and was apparently trying to maintain some non-rock and roll lifestyle, some sort of family atmosphere. And Rod caught his publicist at the hotel in bed with another man.

And that pissed Rod off. So Rod fired the publicist. Now, that's the story I read this morning. Do I believe that story to be true? I don't believe it to be 100% accurate. but I do think it's a kernel of the story's origin. Should be noted that I read in the same, I don't want to shit on this publication

because they're very active and out there in the world. And I think they do more good than bad, but I did read another story from this outlet this morning that said that Martin Scorsese grew up in Queens, which he did not. But hey, everybody gets facts wrong every now and then, myself included. That said, the details of the story,

I'm not 100% behind them. However, the general origin of it is very interesting to me, and I think it could have happened. Rod comes back to his hotel. He finds his publicist in bed with another man. Rod is pissed off about this for some reason. I don't know what it is beyond the obvious sort of, I guess, prudeness and homophobia. I don't know.

I don't know what was going on. I don't want to accuse Rod of that. Rob was pissed. Fire the publicist. And then the publicist, feeling vengeful, went to his contacts in the press and made this rumor up about Rod and spread it to get revenge, which is insane. So Jessica, lay that all on your uncle and let me know what he says.

Seriously, I want to know what your uncle says. I don't think he's going to give up this story. It feels like he's too attached to it, but let me know. All right, lots of incoming from you guys on your favorite Christmas songs, and we talked about that last week. I want to give a little more air to it this week. So let's check up this voicemail from Liam in the 206.

Yeah, this is Liam Colin from Seattle. You're asking about a favorite Christmas song. So that little story in 1996, I was backpacking through Cambodia, and that was early on. Pol Pot was still alive, and the place was a total mess, total anarchy, loved it. Prior to leaving, I put together a little set of Christmas tunes on a tape for my walkman. And so back in the day, huh? And one of the songs, you know, I would play over and over as I was going through the Encoreat temples in Cambod. And now it's become a staple for the holidays when we get family together.

And that is rocking out to Run DMC, Christmas and Hollis. Liam, I love this. I love that you were backpacking through Pol Potts, Cambodia, in the 1990s, and listening to Run DMC. This might be the most badass voicemail we've ever received. Love it, Liam. Christmas time and Hollis, can't fuck with it. All right.

617-906-66-36-38 get at me guys voicemail and text let's check out this text from the 302 okay text reads here's what I don't understand about Tom DeLong why Tom DeLong of all people I mean I do know why but surely there's got to be someone more relevant more socially impactful in the 2000s

who believes as strongly as Tom does now this person from the 302 who's writing in is referencing the Little Disgraceland documentary we released on our Patreon last week as a drop that goes into the story of Tom DeLong and his UFO disclosure. And my answer to that would be the United States government has used many unwitting, but also unlikely individuals from culture to disclose information. So, you know, I don't know, maybe it's just as simple as a CIA just doesn't have a handle. I mean, who are they going to go through? You know, three months ago, you would have said Jay-Z would have been a good choice, right?

So, I mean, Tom DeLong has a lot of experience in this field. The guy's written, co-written a ton of books on this. And he has a huge bullhorn and a huge audience. And I think it's as simple as that. I really do. And I want to know what's going on in New Jersey, all right? 302 also writes in a thousand mob guys in New Jersey and not one of them is shot a drone down.

Yeah, what is up? What is up? Every day, I have a different opinion on this. I'm like, it's UFOs, it's UAPs. Then I'm like, it's China. Then I'm like, it's government. They're looking for, they're trying to sense out radiation. There's a dirty bomb that's, I'm not saying that.

Don't get worried. But, you know, my have let my paranoia get the best of me. People from New Jersey who are listening to this, please call me write to me text me hit me at disgrace land pod on social some of you already have but no one so far who has had eyes on these 617 90666 636 638 i want to know what the hell is going on please we're not getting any information and i've kind of like i'm not trying to be into this story but i can't stop thinking about it so hit me up all right back to uh real quick here the 302 and the tom the long doc if you guys have

haven't seen this, sign up for our Patreon, disgrace manpod.com slash membership. And that thing's going to live up there forever for Patreon, paid Patreon members. All right, you can be able to check it out there. All right. 570. 570 writes in, hey, Jake, this is Logan from the 570. I just finished the latest bonus episode. I wanted to let you know. I could not hear the trucks in the background. I hope this helps. Rock a roll. A roll. 570. It does help. There's no trucks today, but there is some banging. They're putting a roof on the, uh, on the, uh, on the howlough. across the street. I did find out today that a semi-famous felon has moved into the house on my street. Like four houses down.

I'm not going to say who it is because he's rehabilitated himself and we're all for that. But I'm a little starstruck by this. Fascinating. Anyways, they're putting a roof on the house across the street. I think I'm talking my way around the bang and I can't wait for this studio to be done. I can't wait. Got a little more time though. I appreciate the text 570. 416. Jason writes in, this is in regards to the Christmas song.

I want to do a couple more of these Christmas songs. Christmas in prison by John Brine is in my mind. The greatest Christmas song ever written. It's along the lines of I'll be home for Christmas, but it's a reeler, and it puts you right there in the cell with the singer and his pining heart. How can you be it was Christmas in prison?

And the food was real good. We had turkey and peasant. pistols carved out of wood. And I dream of her always, even when I don't dream. Her name is on my tongue and her blood's in my stream. Rockerola, Merry Christmas. How awesome is that? Jason, thank you for that text. Beautiful. I need to check that John Prine song out. I keep saying that. I keep forgetting, but I appreciate you reminding me. 617-9066638. Any of you guys want to remind me of your Christmas songs, your favorite Christmas songs. We can keep this topic open for the next week here until we get through the holiday season.

At disgrace land pod on the socials as well. Got this one from a fellow named John Gorman, who wrote to me last year at this time. And I missed it. Okay? And then he wrote to me again, and I saw the rest of his message. I think that's how this worked. My dog's barking in the background now. Anyways, John writes, I just got back to the States from Shane McGowan's funeral.

And if you haven't already done one, you got to do it. one on him. The stories his wife told that the funeral were insane. I knew he was one mad bastard, but had no idea how mad. And I responded, of course. I was like, were you friends with Shane? How did you end up at his funeral? And John Rodden, I asked him if you heard the episode too. John Rodden, I did. Great episode. Big fan, and I met him at a music bar through friends, a friend's band called Black 47. I've heard of Black 47 before in Manhattan years ago. Patty Riley's got drunk a few nights before his funeral, grabbed my passport, and went and was welcomed like family,

oddly enough, and helped send him off. John Gorman, you sound like my kind of guy, man. That is incredible, incredible. John liked the Shane McGowan episode as well. So if you guys haven't heard the Shane McGowan episode of Disgraceland, I encourage you to go check that out. Speaking of the Irish, this from Matt O. Brannon, spelled, O. B-R-A-A.

A-N-A-N-A-N with some accents over the O in the A. Accents that I should know because of my Irish heritage, but I do not. And Matt writes in, ah, you're a Brennan too. I was born, Brennan, but used the Irish version of which there are two. Brennan and Brandon. Wonder which is yours. Interesting content. He goes on to say, if you're from the south, it's Breonan, meaning tear.

If from north, it's Brennan, which means crow. Now, I knew about the crow interpretation of Brennan. I did not know about the tear interpretation of Brennan. And I don't want to be regretful of the crow tramp stamp tattoo that I have, but I might need to start considering a tear drop tattoo on my face. I don't know. I'm just thinking. Okay, what else do we got here?

We'll do one from X. This one comes from Scott Hulsopple. Hulsopple. I should know who this guy is, verified. writes in disgrace, land pod, thank you for the amazing podcast. You crushed every episode.

Anthony Bourdain won was an emotional roller coaster. You made the 10-hour drive from Nashville to State College, PA, a breeze. Scott, you're the man. Thank you for taking me along on your trip. I appreciate it.

At disgrace land pod, guys, you want to hit me up anywhere, Facebook, Instagram, or on X. You can hit me up with your answer to the question of the week, which is which SNL performer is your favorite. and from what era? And, and I encourage you to hit me up with your story, okay?

What story do you want us to preserve? What story of rock and roll animalism most resonates with you that you can't stop thinking about? Let me know. Call me 617-90666-638 at Disgraceland Pod on the socials. I'll be back in a flash with some reviews and some emails. All right, we are back. I'm highly caffeinated. I'm trying to slow it down.

I hope I'm not going too fast here. I have never talked to you guys about my coffee maker. It's an espresso machine, actually. It's not a super expensive one, but it is a kick-ass one. I love this thing. Honestly, like, I have guitars that I like less than my espresso machine. And I'm drinking like a half-calf. Right?

I do a little, you know, decaffeinated grind and a regular grind. and I am cruising right now. So I hope I'm slowing it down though. So you know the drill, right? Independent podcasts, right? Don't have billions of dollars to promote this thing, okay? I'm not a Kelsey brother, all right? I'm not dating Taylor Swift, okay?

Clearly. So, right, the only way this podcast grows, continues to grow is on the backs of you guys spreading the word, talking about the content. In particular, you want to support this show. you can do so on Patreon. You know that. Go to disgrace landpod.com slash membership.

But if you don't have five bucks a month or you don't want to become a free member or whatever, that's fine. All you get to do, if you want to help out the show, leave a review. Subscribe to the show, follow the show, and leave a review. Reviews help with discovery.

I say that every week because it's that important. Over on Spotify, Ashley Pickholz wrote, this was incredible. Can we get the Oscars for podcasts and give this one all of them? Ashley's talking about the recent John Lennon episode Part 2, the one where we get into the assassination of John London. Thank you, Ashley, get in touch.

Hit me up and we'll get some merch out to you. Over on Apple Podcasts, TCBMandah, that's the username, writes. In 2020, I joined the podcast craze, devouring mainly true crime shows and trending topics. Someone passionate about music history and Elvis, I stumbled upon Jake's podcast and was immediately drawn in. The Disgrace Land and Double Elvis intrigued me, and I'm glad. I had found the podcast and interests I'm actually interested in. Thank you very much. TCB man, da.

Get in touch and we'll get you some merch. All right. Get in touch on social or email me, disgrace landpod at gmail.com. At disgracellandpod on the social, 617906, 616-6668 voicemail and text. And again, disgracecentpod at gmail.com. Just like this email from Shelley Freeberg and wow,

do we have a good one here. Okay? Listen. Subject. B.S. Diddy episode. Message, I swear to God, I didn't read this email until right now. Okay? The whole thing I said earlier about Jay-Z, I said that before I read this.

You just have to trust me on this. Email says, hey, just listen to your Diddy update. You are 50-50 regarding his guilt. Actually, no, I'm not 50-50 regarding Diddy's guilt. This is me talking now, Shelly. Not Shelly. I said I was 50-50 regarding Jay-Z's guilt. But that doesn't seem to, that doesn't matter to Shelley either, I don't think, because she goes on to say,

way to straddle the middle of the road regarding a monster pedophile. Okay, so now I'm not sure if she's talking about Jay-Z or Diddy, okay? Let's assume she's talking about Jay-Z. I've loved Disgraceland for years. Just subscribed and listened to your Diddy episode where you have no opinion about Diddy or Jay-Z. Now, that's just patently false. And if you've listened to Disgraceland for years, how did you just... subscribe. Okay. I do have, I clearly have an opinion about Jay-Z. And I said I was 50-50. And look,

if you're 50-50, I didn't say I'm 50-50 like, I don't know, could be this way, could be that way. I said it's 50-50 that he could have done it or did not do it. And that says something. Because if you actually believe in the integrity of somebody, you're not going to give him a 50% chance of raping somebody. There's a huge difference. Okay. If you asked me, and I said this clearly last week, if you asked me two years ago, do I think Jay-Z could have raped a child? I would have said absolutely 100% no. My trust in his integrity has degraded by 50% more now, by 55%. Not that that's going to satisfy Shelley here. Okay, let me keep on going here. Are you afraid of having opinion? I'm clearly not afraid of having an opinion. If you have listened to this podcast for years,

you know, I am not afraid of having an opinion, even wildly unpopular opinions. Okay? Then she goes on to say, do you hate women? I'm not even going to answer that because it's so fucking stupid. Support the music industry's disgusting system, apparently. How fucking disappointing. I never begged you for a coward. This reads so crazy, right, that I actually think it's not from a real person.

I think it's from an army of trolls slash email, whatever. Not a bot, but just people who are just sort of been unleashed to go out into the world and just try to, I don't know, like get public opinion going in one way or another. This episode that basically whitewashed their crimes. How the fuck did that episode whitewash any crimes? I feel dumb guys, even giving this criticism air here. but I don't, I don't know. She goes on to say, oh, I don't know.

Maybe they're innocent. Well, yeah, they might be fucking innocent. Okay? They might be. You don't know. We have not seen, especially Jay-Z. We haven't seen any evidence at all. Okay?

None. We have an accuser who has what we've seen this year, this week, inconsistencies in her story. Does that mean? she's lying, I don't think so, maybe, perhaps. We don't know. We're going to find out. We're going to find out. And I'll just say, as it pertains to Sean Combs, we do have actual evidence. We have evidence that he is a monster, okay? We have evidence that he beat the tar out of his girlfriend. But we don't have evidence that he's yet that he's a pedophile, as you're suggesting.

We don't have evidence that these atrocious allegations that are being bandied about on TikTok and elsewhere are actually true. And there's not a lot of evidence yet that we have seen that supports the charges in the federal indictment. Will we get them? Perhaps. But I'm not going to sit here in December of 2024 and pretend like everything is an open and shut case.

our job is to watch what happens and to talk about it and to get as much of this story as possible to try to understand the humans behind these either potential crimes or allegations. So, Shelly, I want to say, I thank you for your email and invite you to, you know, 617-90666-6-3-8. Give me a call.

You suddenly get a lot on your mind. Let me know. We can talk about this even further. All right. You guys want to email me about anything, disgracelandpod at gmail.com. Go for it. Hit me up. As you know, I read even the critical ones.

Listen, I do want to know your story, okay, so you can email me that. All right? We talked about this already. What's the rock and roll animalism story that you cannot get off your mind that you want to talk about in more detail? You and your friends talk about it, whomever. Let me know. Let me know who you are. Let me know who you want me to shout out. 617-9066638. Email me, disgracellandpod.gumpod.g on the socials. and this episode is nearing its end. You know, the afterparty continues.

I'm going to talk a little bit more about Jay-Z, Beyonce, and the after-party. I'm going to talk about some Christmas true crime as well in the bonus section of the after-party here. You guys know, we get into more stuff in the bonus episode. Go to disgracellandpod.com slash membership to sign up. You're not only going to get the bonus stuff here in the after-party. You're going to get ad-free listening.

You're going to get an extra episode per month. And you're going to get me in the chat and Patreon. All right? Back in the Flash. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either.

We always say that trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends... Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a trust. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands.

I said, oh, hell no. I vowed, I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler,

we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When, like, young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever. My first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do? Rather be disappointed in. Do that. Dennis Leary. I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb. And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance.

Like he's about to attack me. Like, making karate noises. And his entire, the Kardashians family over there, everybody's going. And the airman. March is trying to grab my arms and screaming. And I immediately know that I've been at sleepwalk. David O'Yellowo. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or addiction

or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham. So anyway, Nicole Kidman broke up with Keith Thurban. Being half of a country couple was always a hat she was going to wear, not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting. I like that. Did you practice that on your way over?

Gaten Madarazzo from Stranger Things. Sanna-Majou, Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, host of the Wicked Words podcast. Each week, I sit down with the true crime writers behind some of the most compelling true crime stories and discuss their years spent investigating and why it still matters. He sees his father coming out of the woods with his hands over his face, and he knows something happened.

His father just grabs him and says she's gone. She's gone. These are the cases that leave survivors, families, and the journalists who cover them changed forever. Working in national television, it'll push you to your limits, and you'll end up doing things you never thought you'd do. you know, you look back at it and you're like, I can't believe that really happened. Join me and step inside the investigation.

New episodes drop every Monday on the exactly right network. Listen to Wicked Words on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we are back and I got to get out of here. I got a shit ton of Christmas shopping left to do. I don't know about you guys, but I just want to say big thanks to everyone who joined me in the Patreon Book Club last night. also to all of you who showed up for the Patreon, disgrace land doc that we had last week. Lots going on.

We got book clubs, zoom hangs, exclusive disgracead documentary drops all for five bucks a month. Discreacelampod.com slash membership. You also get the ad-free listening and the bonus content here in the after party. So get in, become an all-access disco. If you're not a Patreon user,

still get the ad-free listening and bonus content in Apple. Plus Apple, as I mentioned last week, curates these cool. Disgraceland collections for you guys. It's a way to help organize your listening while delving through our massive 200 plus archive of episodes. Again, disgracelandpod.com slash membership to sign up. Speaking of the archive, we mentioned a lot of previous disgrace land subjects earlier in this episode. So I'm just going to blast through them here with their respective seasons that they were released in so that you guys can easily find these in your podcast player or at disgraceclad.com.

slash listen. All right. Mama Cass, parts one and two, season 10. Michael Hutchins from In Excess, Season 14. Paul McCartney, Paul is Dead episode from season eight. Robert Johnson, season 10, Jim Morrison, season three, Stevie Nix from Fleetwood Mac, parts one and two. Stevie Nix and the cocaine, Enema, I should say. That's season eight. Led Zeppelin from season four. And Johnny Ace, from this past Tuesday, our most recent episode on Elvis Presley and Johnny Ace. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, I want your story. call me, text me, at me on the socials, with your favorite story of rock and roll animalism, the wild story about a rock star that you are aware of, that you want me to tell, that I've already

told that you love, that you talk about with your friends, all right? Let me know what it is. Let me know your story and let me know a little bit about you. Hit me up. Right now in your feed, number two, right now on your feed, our episode on Elvis Presley and Johnny Ace, number three, coming tomorrow, a special rewind episode from our archive on Merle Haggard. Number four, merch winners, get in touch, you know who you are. Number five, remember no one cares about preserving the spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, in honor of this week's subject, Johnny Yace, me reading to you, the Billboard chart from the day he died on Christmas in 1954. Number one, Mr. Sandman by Pat Ballard. Last week, one,

Weeks on chart, eight. Number two, let me go, lover by Jenny Lou Carson last week. Two, Weeks on Cher, 3. Number 3. Teach me tonight by Sammy Khan and Gene DePaul. Last week, three. Weeks on Cher, 11. Number 4. I Need You by Jimmy Crane and A. Jacobs. Last week.

3. Weeks on chart, 16. Number 5. Noddy Lady of Shamed. By Topper and Bennett. Last week, week's six. Weeks on Sharp, 15. Number six.

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Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When like young people come up to me and they want to be an actor or whatever. And my first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do?

Rather be disappointed in. Do that. David O'Yello-O. I love this podcast, whether it's therapy or relationships or religion or sex or or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Dennis Leary, Gaten Matarazzo from Stranger Things, Tana Monsu, Camilla Morone, Carrie Kenny Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the Iheart Radio app,

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