DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: The Count Who Killed Jim Morrison?

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Like the Foo Fighters Taylor Hawkins’ death, the details around the Doors Jim Morrison’s death are mysterious. Was a debonair jetset Count responsible for the singer’s death along with the death of Janis Joplin and possibly others? We get into this incredible story along with your voicemails, text, dms and more in this bonus episode.  For more rock 'n' roll and true crime, check out our archive, featuring episodes such as: Donny Hathaway Jim Morrison  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I got you. Hey, discos. Need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party.

Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party, after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth to confront the myth to reclaim the story on this bonus episode was a mysterious count responsible for the deaths of Jim Morrison and Janice Joplin. Hoosker Doe and the Mary Tyler Moore Show? What new song recommendations and more old song Italian disco? Don't blame me.

Plus your voicemails, text, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed. The outsider is the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it. All right, discos, listen, my hair is on fire this morning as I'm putting together this after-party bonus episode for you. I woke up thinking about Taylor Hawkins and the fact that we still don't have an official cause of death for the iconic drummer, as discussed in our recent episode on the foo fighters. And so I made myself an espresso. I popped on my noise-canceling.

headphones, crawl back into bed with my laptop, though, and I googled famous rock stars with unknown causes of death. And surprise, there are literally none. Zilch, not a zero. But I don't want to beat a dead horse. I want to beat an entirely different horse, actually. Horse, as an H, as in heroin. So somehow, that Google search, that led me into this Jim Morrison wormhole. Now, I know well-trodden territory over here for us at disgrace in. a new horse on a beaten path, so to speak. But really, what I found is fascinating. I think I knew, I think I knew this.

I think I knew that there was never an autopsy for Jim Morrison. And I'm pretty sure I knew that it was closed casket. And that the burial happened super quick after Jim died and that his family had little to do with the final arrangements. And none of these facts are all that revelatory or shocking on their own. And they're all used as fodder for the conspiracy theorists who claim that Jim Morrison faked his own death, that the heroin overdose never happened, and that Jim, you know, pretended to off himself so that he could, or pretended to die, I should say, that, so that he could live in peace outside of the glare of fame and retire and live the quiet life of a poet in the French countryside

or whatever, and no longer have to live the loud, drunk, drug-addicted rock star life that he was living. But here's the thing. I didn't really realize until now, or maybe I did and I just forgot or I just let this fact exist in plain sight and I ignored it. Maybe I just bought the line of bullshit that had been fed to me to all of us anyways until now that Jim Morrison died from a heroin overdose. Because here's the thing. Jim Morrison didn't use heroin. Or at least many of his friends recounted over the years about how Jim hated the drug and that he actively spoke out against using heroin in the company of his friends and that he hated the fact that his girlfriend, Pamela Corson, aka Pamela Morrison,

she wasn't really his wife, common law wife, sometimes went by Pamela Corson, sometimes by Pamela Morrison. I'll probably probably refer to her as both in the course of this episode. Anyhow, he hated that his girlfriend, Pam, actively used heroin, and that this was a subject, her heroin use was a subject common, a common subject of disagreement between the two, between the couple. This is pretty interesting. So Jim Morrison supposedly dies of a heroin overdose, but he didn't use heroin.

Obviously, this doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove that Jim Morrison, I guess, didn't die from heroin. They didn't take heroin. They didn't die in a Paris bathtub. Jim Morrison could, of course, just tried heroin and died, of course. His official cause of death, heart failure, the sort of understood to be cause of death for Jim Morrison, heroin overdose. but for a guy who didn't use heroin. Anyhow, following this line of thinking,

following this little bit of research I was doing this morning, if you were to do this, it would inevitably bring you to a fascinating character from the late 1960s and early 70s jet set, a friend not of Jim Morrison's, but of his girlfriend, Pam's, and also a friend of Grand Parsons, and a friend of Janice Joplin,

and of Keith Richards, and Marianne Faithful, and Miss Mercy from the GTOs, and a whole lot of other famous rock stars who regularly used heroin. this guy was their buddy, their pal, their friend. And some of these folks died from heroin. That friend was a French aristocrat, an actual count,

a handsome jet-setting playboy in his early 20s named, damn it, Matt, I lost your text messages. Okay, this guy's name. I texted Matt this morning at like 7.30 in the morning because Matt, Matt's French, or at least understands French better than I do, to get a correct pronunciation. I'm going to butcher it here, and then Matt, you can correct me.

I'm only going to say his name once or twice here. Count Jean de Brutel. Brutel. Okay, the count. All right. Listen, I've read about the count before. I nearly forgot about the count, though. Okay?

The count came up in research for our Jim Morrison season of the 27 club that we produced a couple years back. And I made a mental note to do more research on the count eventually, which I never did. until now by accident. Now the count, the count here is shadowy. The count is glamorous. The count is like Jim and Janice and Jim's girlfriend, Pam, dead. The count was also Jim's girlfriend's boyfriend's boyfriend and the count was the supplier of high-grade heroin to the stars in the 60s and the 70s, and the count may have not only inadvertently killed Jim Morrison, but also Janice Joplin as well. So check this out. The count was a good-looking,

rich aristocrat in his early 20s. His family had a literal fortune. His father's businesses were located in Africa. So the young count had diplomatic connections in Morocco. Morocco in the 1960s was a hotbed of drug trafficking, specifically the trafficking of hashish and heroin, two drugs that many, many rock stars were hyper-fixated on in the late 1960s in the early 1970s. Now, not only was the count tied into diplomats and drug traffickers in Morocco. He was also, as part of the jet set, tied into many individuals from the Paris. Again, he was French and London. Again, he was a count high societies. Now, in 1967, the count enrolled at UCLA, all right, in California, in Los Angeles. Okay. But UCLA did not have access to good drugs at the time. So the count fixed

that. He started moving pounds of hashish through the Moroccan consulate into Los Angeles to his campus apartment. Now, the hash, and apparently the Count's good looks and money, attracted young women. One of them was a girl named Pamela Corson, a woman named Pamela Corson. And the two began seeing each other. And even though Pam was seeing the new singer for The Doors, one of the hottest bands at the time, his name being, of course, Jim Morrison. Now, Jim hated the Count. And Jim, he hated the Count's heroin. But Pam, she dug the Count. And, you know, to be honest, she liked his heroin, too. Jim got drunk and yelled, Pam got high and took off with the Count to Marrakesh into Europe to hang out with Brian Jones and Jimmy Hendrix. Pam in the count would eventually end up back in Los Angeles and Pam would end up back with Jim, but the Count kept slinging his heroin the whole time. And in the fall of 1970, the Count had a particularly strong batch of heroin. He hooked up his friend Janice Joplin. He also hooked up a musician named Mercy Fontno. I'm probably pronouncing that incorrectly. She goes. by Ms. Mercy, she was from the GTOs. Yes, Frank Zappa's GTOs. Okay, Miss Mercy felt herself

slipping into a drug coma when she used the Count's heroin and somehow she pulled herself out of it and survived this bad batch. Now, this survival of the Count's bad batch of heroin happened on the exact same day that Janice Joplin did not survive the Count's bad batch, okay? on that day, October 4th, 1970, the count hooked up Janice Joplin with heroin, just like he did Miss Mercy from the GTOs. Miss Mercy survived. Janice Joplin died on October 4th, 1970. Miss Mercy lived, and she gave the rest of her batch of heroin to her friend, Graham Parsons. Somehow Graham survived too until he didn't and overdosed and died later in 1973. But back to that weekend in 1970. The weekend that Janice Joplin died, over that weekend, nine other people.

who weren't rock stars also died in the Los Angeles area from heroin overdoses. Jimmy Hendricks had already died that year. Now, Janice Joplin was gone. And Jim Morrison was aware of all of it, okay? He was nursing his beer at Bernie's Beanery in Hollywood, and he told his friends that they were drinking with number three. Jim Morrison didn't know it, but his joke was dead on. Jim had one more album to deliver to the record label.

That album was L.A. Woman. Once that album was done, Jim split to be. Paris to meet Pam, who was already there hanging out with, you guessed it, the count. Pam was in bad shape. She and the count were consumed with heroin. They were sunk deep into the Paris underground with a whole assortment of low-life, high-class junkies and deadbeats. Paris was drowning in that French connection, intensely pure heroin. The same heroin William Friedkin would put at the center of his incredible film, the French connection. This was the heroin that the count was dealing. the count was counting Rolling Stones as his customers, namely Grand Parsons' buddy Keith Richards.

Those two were also in France at the time at Nelcott, while Keith was hiding out from British tax collectors and making the Stone's heroin-induced masterpiece exile on Main Street. Through his connections with the Rolling Stones, the Count started seeing Marianne Faithful, and the two wound up in Paris in July 1971, where the count went to work slinging that French connection heroin. again in France at the time in 1971. You've got the Count, Marianne Faithful, Pamela Corson, Jim Morrison, Keith Richards, Grand Parsons, and the French connection.

Now, on the night of July 3rd, Marianne Faithful says that she was with the Count in bed and they got a call in the middle of the night from Pamela Corson. Again, Jim Morrison's girlfriend, who at that moment was freaked out. Pamela absolutely needed to see the count. Okay? Now, Marianne Faithful, she was stoked at this. She was psyched because she wanted to meet the singer of the doors. But the count said that that wasn't going to happen.

And he split to go rescue Pam and he left Marianne behind. Because Jim Morrison was dead from heroin, the Count's heroin. According to Marianne Faithful anyways, from heroin that was most definitely, yes, the counts. But here's the thing. Jim Morrison didn't use heroin, right? Right, but he did use cocaine. And the French connection heroin was also called cotton candy because of its light color. A lot of heroin, depending on how it's cut, how it's processed is brown.

The French connection stuff was like a pinkish white. Jim Morrison, according to those in the know, mistook his girlfriend's heroin for cocaine and snorted too much of the incredibly pure drug and died. Jim Morrison's girlfriend, who was also the girlfriend of the most infirmative, his heroin dealer in the music industry who himself the count died less than a year later of an overdose maybe some suspect the count did himself in over his guilt other suspect murder we don't know i'm looking to find out sooner or later though i'm telling you right now anyways back to our story pamela morrison she overdosed and died a couple years later a couple years after the count and nearly everyone

connected to this dude everyone nearly everyone connected to the to the fucking count guy Morrison, Janice Joplin, some say Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Grand Parsons, dead, dead, dead, dead, Mary and Faithful, she survived. And she flat out accused her ex, the count, of killing Jim Morrison. The details around Jim Morrison's cause of death are hazy, just like they are for Taylor Hawkins's death, completely different context, of course, but still, you can see some sort of rock and roll historical parallel here. We don't know. We don't know how Taylor died. And we I don't think we know how Jim died, really. Officially, he died of heart failure,

unofficially of a heroin overdose. But again, there was no autopsy. Did I say that earlier? I probably should have. There was no autopsy. And there was no history of Jim using heroin. There was, in fact, a history of Jim hating heroin. The story, this story, not just the story of Jim Morrison's death,

but the story of the count, it is fascinating and it is coming in a full episode of the Disgrace, and podcast soon. Probably in a Doors episode. I did one satirical episode on Jim Morrison. I'm going to do a Doors episode, and this is going to be my angle in. This is going to be most of the story, to be perfectly honest, because this is just the surface. And most of what I just told you, I researched this morning by researched. I mean, I read one People magazine article. Incredibly, this is all, everything I just gave you is from a People magazine article, pretty much, not everything, but a good portion of it.

But there's a ton more out there. And there's a lot more research I'm going to do. I'm going to put together an incredible story for you guys in a full episode of disgrace land. It'll be coming in a couple months, I guess. It'll be a Doors episode. All right, but before that, we're going to dive a little bit deeper into the count

and more specifically into the shady details behind Jim Morrison's death and the claims that he wasn't a heroin user in today's exclusive episode of the after party. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become a disgraceland. all access member and unlock exclusive and ad-free content just like this on a weekly basis. All right.

This week in the feed, as we've been discussing, our new episode on the foo fighters. Now, coming up right after this bonus episode here, right after this in the rewind slot on Sunday, our episode on Bjork and the deranged psychopath who wanted her dead, who attempted to murder the Icelandic princess, who set off an international scramble by the FBI in New Scotland Yard to save Bjork's life. if you don't want to miss this episode. And then next week on Tuesday, Tuesday, May 5th, we're releasing a new episode on Ian Watkins from Lost Profits.

And when you're listening to that episode, be thinking about what story from music history has upset you the most? Because this might be it. This might be the most upsetting story from any rock star we've covered. This Ian Watkins story is so damn. I'm upsetting, not only because of the horrendous crimes that this lost profit singer committed,

but also because some of these crimes could have been prevented. So how upset were you when you learned about the Ian Watkins crimes? But, you know, it can be anything. What's the most angered you've ever been? Most angry you've ever been from news that you heard from music history. 617-906-66-38 voicemail on text. Let me know at Disgraceland Pod on the social's disgraceland pod at gmail.com. All right, guys, I want to talk to y'all. I want to hear your thoughts on Taylor Hawkins

in the Foo Fighters and everything else that we got going on in disgrace land. Unlikely cover songs, more music memoirs, whatever. New songs, old songs. We're digging into all of it and more with your voicemails, text, emails, DMs, and more coming up right after this. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart. IR. Radio. Canada's number one streaming app for radio and podcasts, including IHart Pride, Canada, your favorite hits and must have Party bangers, plus personalized and curated playlists, like back in the day pride. Come together, celebrate love. Take pride with you anytime, anywhere.

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so much so that the bags that were under people's seats just kind of flew into the aisle. Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our identities and relationships, and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know, but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything and me pretending like everything was fine. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move.

And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off. And that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joy is essential and it's all so elusive. But now, there's a new and exciting way to start your journey toward a more joyful existence, Joy 101. It's a new podcast hosted by me, Hoda Kotby.

If you're craving inspiration to maximize your joy, tune into these candid, uplifting, and moving on-air chats. Open your free IHeart Radio app. Search Joy 101, and listen now. Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby is presented by CVS. All right, me and Debbie Harry, we have escaped Ted Bundy's Volkswagen, and we are in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall, hanging on the telephone, 617-906-66-38. Beth in the 646. Tell us about one of the Taylor Swift creeps that you got living in your hometown.

Hey, this is Beth from the 662, originally from the 646, calling about a few things. One, the scandalous DJ from your Taylor Swift episode lives in Mississippi and works in the supermarket after having a failed attempt being a morning DJ show of conservative talk morning show. he's got a baby now and is just living a very quiet life. Also, on the New York nightlife scene back in the 90s, Bear Jones used to be this club promoter and you would call his, everybody got a card and you would call the number, which was a voicemail or an answering machine, and they would let you know where the party was that night.

And he went on, Bear Jones, I think he died in 2008, but he went on, I think, to be a gossip columnist for the Daily News and was on the circuit, the media circuit and the nightlife circuit through at least 2006. And more stuff on in excess. I just can't get enough of it. And thanks for all the good work you guys do. And stay punk. Love it.

Bye. All right, Beth. Thank you very much. Love the Taylor Swift recon there. Thank you. And in excess, as for in excess, we got a two-parter on in excess. Two parts in the archive, parts one and two. Bear Jones, that phone.

that phone thing you just shared. I didn't know about this at all. And I was hanging out in New York in the 90s, assuming 90s is when you're talking about. I don't know if you said that or not. But this reminds me of this whole black keys thing they got going on now. The record hangs.

And I'm not sure how people are getting invited to that, but this sounds like a good way to do it. Anyways, I would like to get invited to one of these. So let me know. If anyone has some black keys hookups, let me know. All right, let's check out D in Dallas. Hey, Jake. It's D from Dallas again.

And I just heard you a little blurb at the closing of your most recent podcast that I listened to on Disgraced Land. And you questioned whether or not Billy Corrigan had actually seen a shapeshifter. I 100% agree. And I have a theory on exactly who it is. I believe that he actually saw a shapeshifter, and it's somebody that we all know. My guess is that it's Maynard. Last name, not required. You know who I'm talking about.

And right now, you're thinking to yourself, you know what? If there are aliens, Maynard probably is one of them. Along with Trent, Trent's probably also an alien. into they though neither one of them age i don't understand um except that like they're not from this world none of tools music makes sense you could show someone on paper and like hey this is it was like no that that does not work but you know why because d uh shapeshifting into maynard from tool right that's what you're saying um and uh uh Trent Reznor as well.

I don't know. I don't know about that. I need more of this Maynard from Tool, Trent Resner, Alien Theory, D. Hit us back. All right, let's check out. Let's see, J.C. in the 651. Hey, Jake, J.C. in the 651, Minneapolis, St. Paul. Lucky, long-time disco.

Was lucky enough to find you guys in January of 2019. I tell everybody I know about your shows. You asked about a strange or peculiar or unlikely cover song. I'm going to nominate Hoosker Doe doing Love is All Around, the theme of the Mary Tyler Moore show. They even did it on the Today Show. Oh, there's film. You can go find it. Hey, lastly, I've been a big fan a lot of your shows.

You turn me on. We've done some discussion about Manson and chaos and all that. I think you should package up all your Manson episodes the way you do with Beatles, Stones, etc. I think that'd work out great, man. Hey, thanks for everything. Hoosker Doe and Mary Tyler Moore. I didn't know this. I did not know this. Is Mary Tyler Moore set in Minneapolis? That would make sense. That would make sense. I like your idea about packaging all of our Manson episodes together. For those who don't know, we had this long history with the Helter Skelter story here in Disgrace Sand to all the new listeners.

Started way back in, I don't know, season two or three or something like that, maybe four when we did the Beach Boys episodes, which is the traditional Helter Skelter story that you may have probably heard. It's one of the biggest true crime books of all time. And the connection to the Beach Boys, Dennis Wilson gave us our in. Later, a couple of years after that, I realized that Helter Skelter had it all wrong and therefore I had it all wrong. We released a couple other episodes that are updates. We did a Charles Manson episode based on the music that he made and his life and how it related to the killings. And we did a two-parter on Mama Cass Elliott

because she was intimately involved with the players who get swept up in and around the Helter Skelter story. And what I believe is the truth that disrupts the Helter Skelter story. So anyways, there's about, what, four or five? And then if you count the Sharon Tate Hollywoodland episodes we've done, there's probably about seven Manson-related episodes that we've done. And I like J.C. and the 651's suggestion

about packaging them all together. Maybe we'll do that. I don't know. Maybe make a nice little animated book or something. I don't know. All right. Let's go to the 503. I don't know what you just said, but all of a sudden I feel nostalgia for micro machines.

Just kidding. I got all the legal stuff. This is actually in reference to my very first listen of Hollywoodland. Longtime Disgracedland listener. This is my first Hollywood land listen with Gordon Weaver. and then the after show. And I just, my heart fluttered when Bob from Twin Peaks was mentioned because he is just the absolute, my hands are shaking right now.

He is so scary. And that scene where he's crawling over the back of the couch, there's nothing scarier. There's no blood gore, tense scenes in movies that are like suspense, anything. Nothing is as terrifying at that moment when he's creeping. over that fucking joke. Anyway, I just was really happy to hear somebody else was traumatized by Bob as well. So, um, rockerola.

That's what you say, right? Bye. See that, people. Be like the 503. Check out Hollywoodland. Get in there. Get in there and get after it. You will not be disappointed.

Okay? There's a whole other world of content happening in the Hollywoodland feed right now. That is disgrace land adjacent. It's Hollywood and true crime. It's not music and true. crime. You're not going to be disappointed. Be like the 503. 617-906663-8. You guys want to leave me a voicemail. I want to hear about the most disturbed news you've ever heard from music history.

The most upset that any news or any research or any story from the world of music has made you. 617906663. I don't want to get into that next week with you. But in the meantime, let's do some text. Let's talk about this week's episode on the foo fighters. This one from the 778 who writes in, hey, just listen to the Foo's Hawkins, Grohl episode. I never connected the dots together about insurance battles, but regarding the lack of an official cause of death, this explains everything. And yeah, looking now at a whole different wave of Gen X drummers who have quit or taken hiatus to deal with health. Wow, mind blown. I think this is my favorite episode so far. And the first time I felt compelled to text, thanks for all you do. Thank you,

778. I appreciate the kind words. Appreciate the nice message. But with the nice, you got to take the not so nice as well. so let's go to the 917. 911 writes in and here we are. Listen, here it goes. 917, you don't want to hear about Dave Grohl's problems. I don't want to hear a hypocrite who lied to everyone by putting on a persona that is not truthful. The audacity to only apologize because he got caught

shows that he doesn't give a shit about being faithful to his family. He only cares that his carefully crafted image has been ousted as fake to its core. What a great example to the already fucked up manosphere. You are sucking his dick this entire episode. Like what he did is just personal family issues. No, it's uncovering decades of lies. He is now, not only a piece of shit rock star

that sleeps around with young women while having a family, which consists of only women, but he now depicts a guy with questionable morals willing to lie for his own benefit. If he can easily lie about having an affair to only show remorse once word got out, what else about his image? Is he feeding us as a, quote, genuine connection

with a genuine nice guy, unquote. Is bullshit just made up to sell more records, stay relevant, make the maximum profit. It goes against everything Kirk Cobain and Nirvana stood for, a legacy his modern day persona depends on, to stay standing on the shoulders of giants. Love the show, by the way. I love the way the 9-17 ends it there,

and I love the passion. Listen, I get it. I really truly do. I'm not sucking his dick, though. come on, man, that's a little harsh. I addressed all the issues with Dave Grohl. I might not have the same take you have. But here's the thing. Zeth and I talk about this in more detail in the exclusive section of this after party coming up. You've got to be an all-access member for that. But for those who aren't, I'm going to, I'll address it here too, a little bit, and not so much

detail. Honestly, when the news of Dave Grohl's infidelity broke, I was pissed. And my wife and I were talking about it, and I was really upset, I was really upset, much, much more upset than you would think by listening to the way I spoke about it in the episode. And my wife and I were talking about this. And the reason this one was so upsetting, and maybe this is, this is why the, the texter is so upset, is because Dave Grohl, at least for me, I don't, I don't want to, I'm, I don't want to presume this is why the text was upset. I take that back. But at least for me and for my wife, and for a lot of people, I know. Dave Grohl's like one of us. He's roughly our age, comes from the same scene that we come from, the hardcore scene, 90s, Gen X. And he's, he really,

when he started to step out into the spotlight and he was doing all these interviews and the food fighters first launched, he was just ultra real, ultra charismatic in a lot of ways. He was, I don't mean to glorify, you know, a rock star here, but he was, he's like the best version of us. He was funnier than us. He was more talented than us. He was more charismatic. You know what I'm saying? And he just, he spoke like we did.

And he seemed to like the same things and care about the same things that we did. And he sort of carried a version of that, of that personality, that persona with him, the entire run of the food fighters. And yeah, I know there's people who are out there. It's all an act. He's full of shit. He's never been a nice guy. I don't buy that. I know people who know him.

I know people who know him well. I know people who have met him just, you know, one-offs, et cetera. And they all say the same thing, that he really is a great guy. I've never met him. But anyways, it just stung. It just hit. It just, it hit more. Now, to the caller's criticism, the textor's criticism, which is, it's valid.

I didn't express a lot of the anger that I felt in the full episode. You might have heard it back in some of the disgrace and afterparty episodes when this news broke. But in the full episode this week, I did not express my anger toward Dave in that moment. And here's why. We talk about rock stars

every single week that have infidelity in their life, that are shitty in relationships to their wives. And oftentimes, we don't even mention it. And yeah, that's on me. It's my job, I guess, to bring this stuff up, but it's so common in the music industry, cheating on your wife, cheating on your girl. It's so fucking common. It's just boring. It's like, yeah, no shit. So I didn't want to be

entirely hypocritical about it. And even though it upset me, I didn't want to just dive into it. Now, if Dave Grohl operated in a really different way, maybe I would have treated this differently. But he does seem, look, he's with his wife. They're trying to work it out. you know what I mean and I'm I didn't get into this to be all fucking tabloidy and sensationally and all that shit like that's not what I do like it comes up it comes up we'll deal with it and this is a really interesting not interesting is a really not interesting I should say uh example of this and it's it is I thought of you know what would his daughter what do his daughters think about this some dude on a microphone like op hining on Dave Grohl's infidelity with their

mom and it's finally whatever it's all out there you can go elsewhere to get it I do get your criticism. But that's just my point of view on how I treated this situation. Take it as you will. All right, let's go to the 902 on the same subject. Listen, the opinions from the listeners here are not necessarily my own, and I'm not suggesting that they are, and they're solely the opinions of the texters and the callers, okay? Let's see here. 902 says, hey, love the show bias up front i'm a big foo's fan but regarding the rolling stone article uh the text was talking about the rolling stone article that i mentioned in the episode unlike a lot of fans i didn't really find it that scandalous it had some interesting insight and i have always thought

it very possible that no one was lying i think taylor did vent to his friends and probably even talk but he and dave were best friends if they needed to talk they probably didn't have an official meeting with management to formally express concerns they probably just talked and who knows what they did or didn't agree to. But also the timeline, I think, is important. Taylor collapsed on the plane in December 2021, and it seems like Chad and Matt, that's Chad Smith from the Chili Peppers

and Matt Cameron from Pearl Jam Soundgarden, were saying that he, Taylor, and Dave Grohl talked after that. This is all in the article, okay? And I'm just going to say it here, Dave Grohl's management denies this, okay? They deny what Chad and Matt had said, all right? The caller is saying this. Caller goes on to say at that point in 2022, after Taylor Hawkins collapsed on a plane in December 2021,

tour dates were already announced and tickets were sold and Taylor was a consummate professional and I don't think you would have been down with canceling already scheduled shows. If they, Taylor and Dave, agreed to something, it most likely would have gone into effect after those existing commitments. I also think it's possible Taylor was not aware if he had something seriously medically wrong with him because I do not believe that if he said to Dave, we have to slow down or I could die, the Dave would have taken that lightly. Taylor could have downplayed it accidentally or on purpose, even if he did know. I agree with you here. I'm not saying that Dave Grohl knew Taylor Hawkins was in some sort of medical decline, health decline,

what have you. And Dave was like, you must play these shows. Damn you. I don't think that's what was going on. Caller goes on to say, I'll also say the foo fighters had in recent years started factoring their age into their schedule. They played a lot, but only went out for two to three weeks at a time before taking a two to four week break. And they had to stop playing consecutive nights, which you can see if you look into their past tour dates. Anyway, I really like your thoughts about entering uncharted territory with rock bands and the insurance angle is a good one.

Interesting episode. The band has just started dipping their toes back into talking about difficult subjects lately, so maybe at some point we'll learn more. That's from the 902. Appreciate you, 902. I agree a lot. I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. And I just want to state that again,

Taylor's depiction as voiced in that Rolling Stone article of the events with Dave Grohl around his workload with the foo fighters as depicted in the Rolling Stone article by Chad Smith and Matt Cameron are adamantly denied by food fighters and food fighters management. So there we go. 270 writes, hey, Jake, this is Kate from the 270 here in Western Kentucky. having worked in health care in varying positions from pharmacy to billing to urgent care to dispatch, I honestly think that the combination of over-exertion, perhaps not being fully transparent with his doctor about any non-prescription drug usage, self-medication with prescription medications, and probably an underlying undiagnosed genetic factor, that that is the official cause of death for

Taylor Hawkins. It's likely listed as natural causes, maybe death by misadventure with underlying causes, but it's been covered up to keep the insurance company from refusing to pay. The insurance company is the biggest villain in the whole story. That's who will refuse to pay out on death if they can find a loophole. So nothing to ferrious, just an attempt to make sure insurance actually pays. Anyway, that's my nearly 4 a.m. thought, working overnights and ambulance dispatch, rock a rolla-rola baby. 270.

Appreciate you. You know what's up. 646 real quick. Hey, hope you're doing well. I was wondering if you're interested in maybe doing a Donnie happy. The way show 646. We are where we were, I should say, because we did. There's a Donnie Hathaway episode in the archive for you. Guys, thanks for your calls. Thanks for your text. 617-906-66-66-36-36-3. You guys want to come at me with this week's question of the week on the event for music history

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I have a bank of voicemails and texts that accumulate that I just go in and I grab and I play. the phone just started ringing. It's not actually a phone. I mean, it is a phone, but it's online. I didn't know how to answer it. I figured it out. And I just started talking to this guy, Chad. And all of a sudden, I was recording a phone call, our conversation.

It was all cool. It was all great. And then my fucking pro tools just died. Chad, I was planning on playing the whole thing, dude. Call us back. Maybe we'll figure out a way to do this live. That'd be fun, wouldn't it? Take the calls live?

I could get into that. I could get into that. I suppose I'd have to tell you at what time I'm recording. I record on Wednesdays. Eastern Standard time, usually in the late mornings. Recording a little later today. Anyways, 617-90666-6-36-338. You want to leave me a voicemail.

I want to send me a text. We're back and I want to real quick. I want to talk. I want to play a little new song, old song. Okay, the new song of the week that I'm recommending is Might See You There from Weird Nightmare. This is the Mets dude, M-E-T-Z, that M-E-T-Z. Alex Edkins, again, M-E-T-Z, not the 86 M-E-T-S, who broke my heart in Camp I Win these days.

Anyways, I dig this tune by Weird Nightmare from the Mets Dude. Again, it's called Might See You There. Comes highly recommended from our friend Brett from Mephing Good Music. Brett has great taste. I listen to everything that he sends me. Anyway, might see you there by Weird Nightmare. Modern rock, pop, all time. kind of lemons lemonhead z kind of blake baby z kind of 80s 90s Boston college rocky is what I'm saying

I highly recommend it old song recommendation for this week I need you tonight by punkin machine okay not in excess yes punkin machine P-U-N-K-I-N-K-I-N P-N-K-I-N-Punkin machine I'm back on my 80s Italian disco bullshit here guys find disco guitars that sound better than the disco guitars in this that weren't recorded by Nile Rogers, okay? This shit rules and it will improve your springtime vibes immeasurably. I need you tonight by Punkin Machine. My eight-year-old asked, how does he get his voice to sound like that, Dad?

And I wanted to say cocaine, but I didn't. But now you know a little bit more about how awesome this song sounds. All right, disgracelam pod at gmail.com on the email machine. This one comes from Tyler Whitmore. Suggestion for Rewind Episodes. I like the pod and started listening back when he did the My Favorite Murder crossover. Glad that you landed with exactly right media. I hadn't listened in a minute, as I think I wasn't subscribed between some earlier seasons. And my suggestion is that if you

are releasing an episode or mixing in rewind episodes per week, it might be useful to label them as rewinds, and maybe provide any updates to the story if any exist. This is the format that my favorite murder uses, and I think it's pretty nice. I was slightly confused because I was listening to that Selena episode and thought it was a new episode. And I thought it was a new episode. as it was a recent release, but I read the description, and it says released November 2020. Also, in that episode, they mentioned that there was a parole hearing set for 2025. So it would have been cool after the episode if you gave an update. Now, I understand if you don't want to copy what my favorite murder is doing,

or if you have your own system, but I think other listeners would enjoy this. Thank you for listening. All right. That comes from, who did I say that come from? It came from Taylor Whitmore. Taylor, I love your suggestion. I love it so much. We're going to do it.

All right? From now on, starting this Sunday, there will be a parenthetical in the title of each of the Rewind episodes that says, rewind. And it should be clear to everybody that this is a previously released piece of content. That doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to it, people. Okay? Our shit is evergreen, all right?

So make sure, just because we're putting Rewind in there, you're not being like, I don't need to listen to this. It came up before. No, no, no, no. No. I don't care if you heard that Bjork episode back when it was released. It's coming again, and you should listen to it this weekend.

You're not going to be disappointed. And Taylor, to your point on the updates, I never thought of that. But, yeah, we'll figure out a way to do that. We'll figure out a way. I'll figure out a way. I'll probably talk to Karen and Georgia, see how they do it, and see how they get themselves ready for any of the updating. And we'll incorporate that into our rewind releases as,

well, thank you for the suggestion. Julio Escobar writes in, hey, Jake, or whoever checks the email. My name is Julio Cesar Escobar. I'm a journalist with over 20 years of experience, and I was the director of a rock radio station in Columbia when Taylor Hawkins died. Plus, I was at the festival, Estero Picnic, waiting for them to perform when we all saw the announcement on the Foo's Instagram account. It all was very chaotic with little or any information at all. And we did a special broadcast from Estero Picnic with some of the attendees who were at the festival. People in Columbia love the foo fighters. So it is a moment in history that we will always remember. I just wanted to let you know that I agree with everything you said in the foo's episode on Taylor's

death. All the best. Julio C. Escobar. P.S. I'm a big, big fan of Disgraceland. Julio, thank you very much. I appreciate the perspective from Columbia, from somebody who was there when this happened. And I know that the listeners appreciate it as well. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com guys, you want to get at me via email at Disgracelam pod on the socials. Over on Instagram, James Buckley writes in, Unexpected covers a Most Excellent Depeche Mode narrative, Jake. As far as unexpected covers, Tori Amos taking on Slayer's raining blood, who's definitely a hard hit in the left field.

All the best, James Buckley. Damn, man, I've never heard that. I've never heard Tori Amos doing Slayer. That's just incredible. Incredible. I was listening to Cornflake earlier the other day, I think, is one of you guys recommended it. I'm not sure. Or reminded me of it. I've known that song forever. It's a great song. Love Torimos. All right, guys, I'm going to get out of here. I'm going to go ahead into the exclusive part of the after party. Okay, that's the room in the back back. You got to know where that part of the party is. You got to know how to get into it. You can go to disgracehandpod.com to figure that out. You've got to pay a little bit more, but not much. And I'll be talking to Zeth in there. Zeth, as you may or may not know. is my partner in true crimes, he likes to call himself. He's also not a real doctor, though he's sometimes referred to as Dr. Lundy.

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of, from my standpoint, it was great music by, and this is all kicked off by the Drew Barrymore stuff, great music from musicians, from the parents of famous people, basically. And I had a couple good ones in there, and then Zeth gave us some film recommendations. Again, from quote-unquote nepo babies. And we talk about why we hate that term in the Hollywoodland rap party. Screening Room from Hollywood Land is happening end of this week. And the movie that we're talking about is Gun Crazy from 1992 by Tamara Davis, who was once married to a Beastie Boy, Mike D, I believe, starring Drew Barrymore. That's what we'll be watching this week. So if you want to get in on the conversation with us there, check out the screening room. Just go to Hollywoodland and subscribe

if you're not subscribed already. Anyways, more from me and Zeth right now in the All Access portion of the Disgraced Land after party. I'll be back in the Flash. All right, we are back. Thank you for joining me in another after-party episode. So many artists mentioned in this episode from our archive, Jim Morrison. Got a classic Jim Morrison episode. Check that out if you haven't heard it. I guarantee you. If you have not heard it, you will be surprised. Very shocked by the time you get to the end of that episode. I guarantee it. We don't have a Janice Joplin episode, though. I need to fix that. Definitely have a Jimmy Hendricks and Graham Parsons episodes. Taylor Swift in excess. It's all there. It's all there. you'll find it. Let me know if you need help navigating the archive. Matt will have some episode notes for some of these classic episodes and the show notes of this after party for you as well. All right, let's recap. Number one, this week, our Food Fighters episode is available for you to listen to right now.

Number two, we are rewinding with a classic episode from the Disgraceland Archive this week with our episode on Bjork. Number three next week, Ian Watkins from lost profits in his unspeakable true crimes. Number four, Zeth is giving you those Hollywood and true crime vibes in the Hollywood land feed. Make sure you are subscribed. I'm going to give you some music wrecks over there in the Hollywoodland rap party. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our new video podcast, I didn't even mention this today. My goodness, got a brand new one for you on high fidelity. That's available to our Patreon listeners. Go to disgracelandpod.com or to Patreon to sign out. Number six, 617-90666-3638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling,

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Number two, one more chance. Stay with her. The notorious B-I-G. Last week, three, peak position, two, weeks on chart, four. Number three, don't take it personal just one of them days. Monica, last week, two, peak position, two, weeks on charts, 12. Number four, water runs dry, boys, two men. Last week, six.

Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, 12. Number five. Quit talking and start mixing. Hello? No, no, you got him. This is Jake. Who's this?

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