DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: The Criminal Element, Awkward Garth, and Armchair Psychoanalysts

Episode Date: May 2, 2024

This week in the After Party, Jake talks humans' fascination with true crime, crossing the line, this week's DISGRACELAND episode on Garth Brooks, and of course your emails, texts, DMS, and voicemails. What artist would you be least surprised to find out is a serial killer? What do the real Garth Brooks fans feel about all this? Get in touch at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod, and come join the After Party.To hear an extended version of the After Party with stories about Garth Brooks' awkwardness and burying his master tapes under Hollywood Boulevard, and more from the DISGRACELAND community, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership.Visit Tecovas in store or go to tecovas.com and find your new favorite pair of boots today! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome, all access members, to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show, after the show, the party, after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Discraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt.

On this episode, we are talking about our new story on Garth Brooks, the sources that we use for our Garth Brooks episode, which helped us uncover this crazy theory about the connection between Garth's tour route and missing persons. And of course, your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get. Serial killers, Ed Kemper, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Ed Gein,

Richard Ramirez, Garth Brooks. You know by now, of course, that I am not serious. Garth Brooks is not a serial killer. But a large portion of the internet is obsessed with the fact that he could be a serial killer, which got me wondering about the public's, ours really, are obsession with true crime. True crime, of course, is a big part of what we do here. We have a broader definition the most, sure, but still, the world's fascination with serial killers in my own fascination with the criminal element,

I've often wondered where this comes from, where this fascination comes from. Why are we collectively obsessed with true crime? Serial killers in particular, bad people. Now, obviously, I can't speak for the world at large, but my thinking is that our collective obsession with serial killers is derived in part from the fact that these people, these murderers,

They do the unthinkable. And their actions, they force us to think about these heinous acts. And there's a visceral fear that goes along with putting yourself in the shoes of the victims who do come face to face with Garth Brooks, excuse me, Ed Kemper and the like. But when it comes to my obsession with the criminal element at large, my fascination with the musicians and artists of the world whose transgressions aren't just minor sins, but mortal sins, felonies, it's hard for me to cope up with an answer as to why. I've been so fascinated my whole life,

basically since I started reading novels in the sixth grade or thereabouts, I gravitated towards crime. I still do, of course. It's hard for me to create anything that isn't related to crime in some way. Even when I was making music in punk bands, hardcore bands, and later as a singer-songwriter, I often wrote songs from the perspective of a criminal,

and I obsessed over murder ballads and old, weird Americana, all the bad bad men, all those stories that we covered in the Pigpen episode to disgrace in. Of course, like most of you, I'm nothing like these men. I live a fairly conventional life. I live on a fairly normal looking street. I wake up with similar hopes, dreams, aspirations, and fears, as you all do. So then why am I currently pouring myself into books about Boston's Chinatown drug dealers and early 20th century American anarchists and the Coke-fueled 86 Mets

instead of spending more time watching the Boston Bruins in the playoffs and getting excited about my summer break that's coming out. And I've been thinking about this all morning, knowing that I'm coming into the booth to record this episode on the heels of this Garth Brooks' serial killer nonsense. I've been thinking about why, why this is, why am I fascinated with crime? Truman Capote's in cold blood, Mario Puzzo's The Godfather, everything by James L. Roy. Why? Perhaps it has something to do with the line, the line that Springsteen talks about on Nebraska. Quote, there's winners and losers and don't get caught on the wrong side of that line. Now that lyric from that song, Atlantic City, it always resonated with me. And I'm not from New Jersey or Philly. I knew no chicken

men growing up, but there is a universal element in that lyric. The wrong side of that line. And like I said, I didn't know any chicken men, but I knew plenty of guys who ended up on the wrong side of that line. And not just passing acquaintances like the prison break party I found myself at in high school with recently escaped felons where we watched news of their prison break on the 11 o'clock news, the story that I told when I went on my favorite murder. Now, I didn't know those guys, really, but I was in their orbit, of course. The important part of what I'm trying to say, though, is that I did know other guys who, knew them well, guys who crossed that line. And it was like one minute, they were part of our lives, smoking grass, listening to music, fucking off.

And then they were robbing little old ladies coming out of ATMs and being sent away to Concord MCI. Crossing that line then and now, it seems like a very easy distance to traverse. And I think that's why I'm so fascinated by it. That slip. That slip from a normal life to a criminal life. It is not that hard for some to make, especially if you grow up poor, you grow up desperate, or you just don't have options or imagination. I never lacked an imagination.

And neither do the millions of internet trolls out there who imagine Garth Brooks to be a serial killer. Is it so hard to imagine? Really? Especially, like I said, when that line is so easy to cross, I don't think so. Which musicians, other than Garth Brooks, creep you out and make you question their motives? Which rock stars? Which country stars? Which hip-hop stars? Any musicians at all? Which ones fit the serial killer profile for you? If Snoop Dog could be a real-life pimp, which he was, doesn't it stand a reason that Eminem could be stacking bodies? Let's have some stupid fun and let me know which artist you'd be least surprised to find out was a serial killer. 617-906-66-3638.

Send me a text. Leave me a voicemail. 617-906-66-36-38. Let me know which musical artist you'd be least surprised to find out was a serial killer. I'm going to take a quick break and I'll be back in a flash. All right, let's talk for a minute about the sources that we used for this week's episode on Garth Brooks. First, when it comes to this true story of Garth's unprecedented rise to fame, I mean, If you're not a Garth Brooks fan, you don't know much about him.

You just think he's one of these commercial country artists who got famous and kind of dominated the charts for a while. There's so much more to his rise, to his fame. And most of what we got, we got from a book called The Garth Factor, the career behind country's biggest boom by Patsy Bell Cox. Patsy, rest in peace, help write the autobiographies of artists like Loretta Lynn, Tanya Tucker, Winona Judd, even Pat Benatar. and she worked for a Nashville-based publicity firm,

which handled PR for Capital Records, where Garth was a major artist. But if you've heard the episode, you know that it's anything but a typical episode at Disgraceland. The inspiration, of course, being this incredible joke started by comedian Tom Segura and his wife, Christina, Christina Pazitsky, if I'm saying that wrong,

incorrectly, I apologize, Christina. It's a joke about Garth being so weird and so awkward and so... strange that he maybe, just maybe was a serial killer. It's a fucked up joke. I know, I get it, but it's hysterical and it's incredibly compelling. A serial killer who struck while he toured, evidenced by the number of people who went missing along Garth seemingly eternal touring route. We fully committed to this joke by chasing down the data, and by that I mean we looked at Garth's tour dates year after year, painstakingly plotted each and every date against missing persons data

in each city where he performed. And I'm not. talking about a lot of data. Dates upon dates upon dates, cities upon cities, year upon year. Most of the time, this research led to nothing, but sometimes it gave us something, a nugget, a disappearance that he could easily tie to Garth Brooks being in town. And in doing this legwork, it helped us build this dramatic case that Tom Seguer's joke had legs, for real. And it does. Excuse me, the joke does, at least. But the actual insinuation that Garth is some kind of serial killer, obviously is not true. All right.

Don't come at me. You know that. You know, I'm having fun here. And, you know, I understand this is not a novel idea. This is Tom Seguera's idea. We just, we like to think that we took it somewhere else in the way we do things here, disgrace him. All right, a major source of inspiration

in making this episode, Michael Jackson's thriller video. Why? Do you know? We didn't include this in our list of sources on the website because, as I said, it's more a source of inspiration than anything else. But the thriller video was a major creative device for us in making this episode. And if you think you know what it is, you've got to let me know, 617-906-66-66-36-3-8 voicemail and text. That's how you get at me.

Just like this person in the 9-200. Greetings. Evermore. Download in the 9-200 public enemy requesting. All right, 9-20. Thanks for the call. Well, yeah, Rage Against a Machine, perhaps. Someday, someday.

We just did Public Enemy, though, so it's going to be a minute. But I dig it. All right, let's check it with the 508 here. Answering the question we had from last week's after party, who the greatest folk singers, folk musicians, folk songwriters, folk artists were. And I was talking about beyond just the genre, like a guy with an acoustic guitar at a coffee house

or playing Newport or something like that. And I guess that last voicemail kind of hit on that too with the rage against machine requests. That's what I'm talking about, artists that represent what's going on in their time and place. Let's check this one out from the 508. Look up, but it's called Death of a Rebel. Yeah, Mike, I hear you. And that's, I got to admit, though, I don't know a lot about Phil Oaks. And now I'm interested.

So I'm going to check that out. I appreciate the call. And I'm hoping to get into some heavy folk with Phil Oaks. Let's see. What do we got here? This one wants to do one more from the 412. Yo, brother, it's a Dan Electro. Anyway, I'm going to get back to work.

I'll talk you later. 412. I played that voicemail because it's fucking ridiculous. I have no idea what you're talking about 412. I don't know who you are. Are you a friend of mine that I just don't recognize your voice? And the answer to a question that I cannot recall seems to be Dan Electro, which is a guitar, of course.

But, you know, call back 412, and let me know what the hell it is. You're talking about 617-906-66-66-38. Hit me up, voicemail and text. Let's do a couple texts here as well while I got you. 310 writes in, how about Ice Tees band Body Count? They deserve a shout in any discussion about rap metal between Slayer, Public Enemy. I think he means anthrax and Public Enemy. And you know what?

You're right, 310? I was going to talk about body count, but there's only so much you could talk about in that blurb. All right, 775 writes, and hey, Jake, on the folk artist front, the Gen X folk artist is Todd Snyder. This one is actual folk music proper, but he's on point and truly funny. He offers that spoonful of sugar for the medicine. He's dished out. Check him out if you haven't. Good place to start is his live album, Near Truth in Hotel Rooms.

But check out songs for The Daily Planet for a dose of early 90s, what's going on vibes. You know, I'm pretty sure I've seen Todd Snyder before, perhaps played with him in a galaxy far, far away, however you say it. And I, but still, I don't know his music that well. And I think I was just reading about how Todd Snyder was super critical of Garth Brooks. So that kind of ties it all together here. 617-906-66-6638 voicemail and text hit me up. Let me know. Answer to my question from earlier in the A block, which.

musician gives you the most serial killer vibes. Or you can just hit me up a bun anything. Send me pictures of your dogs. Whatever you guys want to do. I love the dog picks. Keep them coming. I'm going to take a quick break. All right, we are back.

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All you got to do is go to disgracelandpod.com slash membership and sign up to become an all-access member. that ain't your bag, then number two, right now in your feed, this week's brand new episode on Garth Brooks, number three, coming tomorrow, a rewind episode on Ice-T, number four over in the Badlands feed. We've got a brand new episode on Adrian Shelley. Number five, next week in the disgrace land feed, a brand new episode on William S. Burrows, number six, my number is 617-90666-66-3-8. Call me on the telephone or text me, number seven. Remember, no one cares about the music you love more than you do, and well, that is a disgrace. Now, My moment of bliss, in honor to this week's episode on Garth Brooks,

me reading you the city directory from Tulsa, Oklahoma, in 1922. Brooking, Gus, 312, South Denver Avenue. Brookings, Bert, Vice President Gibraltar Oil Company, 1414, South Carson Avenue. Brooklyn Hotel, 106.5, South Boston Avenue. Brooklyn Oil and Gas Company, C.G. Taylor, President. and L.E. Little Vice President and Secretary L.E. Taylor. 319 Robinson Building. Brooks. Adel. Jefferson School. Rooms, 11211, East 5th place.

Brooks, Alex, Williams and Harvey, 511 East Latimer. Bezomer gas engine. Office and Warehouse. 201 East 1st Railway. Foam. Seater. Supplying completed. Sand Springs is in Caloma. Automobile assessments are prepared. This battery service is asking.

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