DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: The Mamas and the Papas (Pt. 2)

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

Got a Disgraceland pitch? Know a cover that beats the original? What are you reading watching and listening to? Jake closes out Season 10 of Disgraceland with a fan mailbag deep dive. Leave your own message at 617-906-6638 and join the After Party.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is exactly right. Double Elvis. Hey, discos. Need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party.

Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the After Party. This, as you know, is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other. the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this episode, we're talking about the past episode of Disgraceland on the Mamas and the Papa's Mama Cass Elliott Part 2, and specifically about her relationship to the previous disgrace and episode subject, Charles Manson. We are also discussing favorite holiday songs, favorite holiday movies, a ton of your voicemails and messages, and a whole lot of rosy

to round us out. All right, before we get to listen to calls, text, and emails, let's get into it. All right, guys, before I get into the meat and potatoes, part of this bonus episode, it being the holiday season. I have a couple quick and simple questions for you to respond to. Number one, what's your favorite holiday slash Christmas song of all time? My current one, you ask, Ella Fitzgeralds, what are you doing for Christmas Eve? Number two, what is your favorite holiday slash Christmas movie of all time? Mine? If you're telling me Goodfellas isn't a Christmas movie, you're wrong, by the way, it is. Then I have to say trading places, but I kind of also want to say bad Santa. Hit me at Disgraceland Pod on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook with your answers and call and

leave a voicemail or text me at 617-906-66-6-6-6-38 with your answers. All right, back to the afterparty. This past episode of disgrace land was a conclusion to the previous week's episode on Mama Cass Elliott. Both parts of the cast episodes were preceded by the episode on Charles Manson's musical career. All three episodes composed the larger story I attempted to tell, which, without reporting all the detail from those episodes here, is basically this. The motive, District Attorney Vincent Bouliosi, pinned on Trump. Charles Manson for the so-called Helter Skelter murders rested on the theory that Manson was a failed musician whose career aspirations were rebuffed by Big Shot record producer Terry Melcher,

whose house Sharon Tate lived in where an angered Charles Manson sent his followers to kill Terry Melcher. They then found Sharon Tate at home instead and savagely murdered her and her friends in place of Melcher. There is, of course, a lot more to Bouliosi's story than that, that's the gist. However, as I mentioned in my episodes, This theory is flawed for many reasons, some of which center around Cass Elliott, and all of which can be found, as I've mentioned numerous times, in Tom O'Neill's book, Chaos. These past three episodes are going to put an end to my exploration into Charles Manson. I need to move on for a bit anyways. The psychopath has been well covered in disgrace land and in bad lands, and if you're keeping count at home, we've done, I think, I don't know, six, seven episodes on Charlie, at least. There's two episodes from Disgraceland on the Beach Boys. There's Zee. These two episodes on Cass Elliott, that's four. There's two Badlands episodes on Sharon Tate that are set pieces to the cast episodes. That's six.

And, of course, there's one on Charles Manson himself that I mentioned before. That's seven. And there's a future episode of Badlands on Roman Polanski that's in the can for next year. So that's eight episodes on Manson alone. Creepy little wizard. I got to move on from him. I'm done for now anyways. What a wormhole.

I hope you enjoyed this little exploration. We did, of course. but I have other stories I want to tell. I should probably tell you a little bit about what's coming in 2023. Lots more stories from disgrace land, for starters, a ton more. I'll go into full-on season 11 preview mode

in one of the next episodes of After Party, but for the time being, I can tell you that I am more excited, literally, legitimately, more excited than I have ever been about any disgracelland episodes previous, particularly the ones I've written on ACDC, Bruce Springsteen, and Lou Reed.

And this is just a small, sample of what's to come. We have a full year of disgrace land content pretty much in the can. And there's some exciting news on the various ways we're going to be making the content available to you and everyone else just over the horizon. So make sure to keep your ears open and more on that in just a bit. All right, my new favorite part of the show, when I get to hear from you guys, you know the drill. Write me at Disgraceland Pod on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, or Facebook or Disgracelandpod at gmail.com. And of course, you can call or text me at 611.com. 17-906-66-3-8.

Lots and lots of DMs regarding the Badlands episode on the infamous Hillsborough disaster. Check out the Badlands feed for that story if you have not already. I just wanted to mention that and hit on this one Badlands comment before specifically getting into these disgrace and comments, mainly because the double Elvis team does an amazing job on Badlands and on everything they do really, but I wanted to shout them out here and I wanted to hear this. So on the Hillsborough disaster episode, Neil Golding writes, Hey, Jake, I was born in Liverpool and live in Sydney. I listened to your Hillsborough pod, hoping that you had the right information. I couldn't have been happier with your portrayal of my wonderful hometown. It's friendly, welcoming people, and the horrible injustice thrown at them.

Thankfully, they picked on the wrong city. So proud of the fight for the now 97. Thank you for bringing this to a wider audience. I'm not ashamed to say I cried through a lot of it and have tears in my eyes now. reading each name was a poignant touch thank you neal uh i don't even know what to say to that neil thanks for writing um that episode was a special one for us we obviously did it uh around the time of the world cup that's happening right now and we wanted to treat that story in particular with the appropriate amount of um god i don't even know correct emotional intent i don't even know how to say it

we just wanted to be really careful we know that that story matters a lot to a lot of people so I'm happy to hear that you dug it. If you guys have not heard Badlands or the Badlands episode on the Hillsborough disaster, I encourage you to go check that out in the Badlands Feed. All right, moving on to Disgraceland. We got a DM from David Caseman on Instagram asking for a Cromag's episode. David, I'd love to, but that story seems way too messed up, and I'd probably only do it with John Joseph's blessing.

But even then, I'm not sure I want to insert myself into that hornet's nest. at Logan All Red on Twitter writes. Two years, eight months, and ten days later, I found out this was an April Fool's joke. I don't know how I fell for this. Logan is, of course, referencing our John Denver episode. This is the joke that keeps on giving. Sorry, not sorry, Logan.

At Mr. M. Schumacher writes on Twitter in response to the last after-party episode where I talked about the generation gap in music taste between myself and my dad. At Mr. M. Schumacher writes. As a fellow Gen Xer, I had similar experiences with my dad and music. I was into Slayer, Metallica, suicidal tendencies, DRI, etc. Much like you in trying to bridge the gap with my kid,

we've been to 10-plus concerts together before his 12th birthday. That's awesome, man. I'm going to try to bring my boys to see Metallica next year. I think 9 and 5 are appropriate ages. Of course, this will backfire. They'll grow up listening to Vivaldi or Schumer or some classical stuff I don't even know about. Not that that's actually a backfire.

It's not. I really don't care at all what my kids listen to. Truth be told, I don't even care that they like music as long as they're into something and are interested in something. As long as they're interested. I don't have anything to worry on that front, though. So I guess it's off to Metallica.

We go. Ryan from the 909 jumped on the voicemail regarding our ongoing conversation about covers that are better than the originals and here's what Ryan had to say. Hi, Jake. This is Ryan from Southern California. I've been a huge fan of this great plan since

season one. My favorite episode was the Sam Cook episode. I think that was the first one I heard. And I was blown away by your production and the way you talk and the way you told a story about something I've never heard before. I love your Beals stuff, the huge Beals fan. And regarding your last

backstage episode, the best cover, or the cover that's the best than the original. That starts the original is TV Wonders and we can work it out. That is ubiquitous. I think everybody can agree with that. Keep up the good work. Thanks for everything you do.

I can't really argue with Ryan. Stevie's cover of We Can Work It Out might be better than the Beatles original. It really might. I think it is. What else do you guys get on the covers versus originals debate? Hit me up.

On TikTok, we got lots of comments on this. At Rocker says, Quicksand, how soon is now? Don't get me wrong. I dig the Smith, but damn, I love the cover. And I got to agree, man. I'd never even heard the Smith's

or the Smith's version until I heard the Quicksand version. And that cover actually turned me into an eventual full-fledged Smithsman. Like I said, a lot of debate on this subject over on our TikTok page at this Graceland pod. Go check that out. Gregory from the 412 hits us up to talk about some of our recent past episodes and some suggestions on future episodes.

Here's what Gregory had to say. Hey, Jake, this is Gregory Daveenslow. And I have a few suggestions. for you for your for your show first of all I want to tell you that I fucking dig your shit man I love it I think it's it's fascinating and I had no idea how many of the rock stars and just actors that I love so much how scandalous they could be and I just want to thank you for bringing that to the light okay so first of all I love the the Laurel Canyon shit I've just fascinated with it and I love that one you just did on Mama Cass and I can't wait for part two.

But I would love to see some shit from Frank Zappa's perspective. Okay, number two, this one's going to freak you up. Niccolo Paganini. That's all I got to say. Number three, George Clinton and number four, one that's very near and dear to my heart. Chris Cornell, if you could do what you did with Marilyn Monroe, you know how you got there and you just freaking, I don't know how you, I don't know how you do it, but you did it. If you could do that with Chris Cornell and what happened with him and whatever's going on

with that wife he had, you could sit in there and do your thing, brother. I'd appreciate it. Much love to you. Be blessed. Dude, who is Niccolo Paganini? I know I could just Google this and find out, but honestly, I got a lot of shit to do this morning, so I'm just asking the question. I don't know who that is, but tell me, get back.

to me. And yes, there are episodes on Zappa and George Clinton for sure that are coming. I don't know when, but soon-ish. So thanks, Gregory. You guys know you can be like Gregory and text me or call me and leave a voicemail whenever you want with your suggestions for disgrace and subjects. That's 617-90666-36-3-8. Just notice there's three fucking sixes in that phone number. I don't know that I like that. And they're all in a row. God damn it. Chad from way up in Canada in the Dumas Flats. I think that's a like he said. I think that's how you say that. Is that a thing? I did Google that. I couldn't find it. Let me know. I don't know my Canada geography. Dumas Flats. Anyways, Chad, from way up north, left us this voicemail with an excellent suggestion.

This is Chad, calling from Yarrow, British Columbia, up in the frigid Sumass Flats in Canada right now. I think it would be really cool to go super old school and do an effort. episode on Mozart. His challenging up the crown and the church of the day is pretty epic. I think like one of the original DDIs as far as musicians go making money back in those days, you needed the support of the church or the crown and he basically stuck his middle finger up to both of them, let alone like his notorious reputation for just being like sexualized other than that he would probably make a cool episode and listening to swindled which is get into on uh double elvis which i love all of them swindled his stories are incredible great suggestion chad

not only a suggestion on a subject but an angle as well i had no idea about the DIY aspect of Mozart. I must have missed that in the Amadeus movie. Wait, is that on Mozart? Yeah, that's Mozart. Amadeus. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Great movie, as I recall. I have not seen that in years, but now I'm going to go watch it again. Who knew? So I'm going to get into it. I love this idea. I know the classical guys were entirely fucked up, too, just as messed up as the rock stars. So probably delve into that. Just take a slow wade into the classical water like I've been doing with jazz musicians lately. Maybe I'll kick it all off with Mozart.

I love that. Shout out to Swindled as well. I think you mentioned Swindled in that clip. Great podcast. So many texts on the cover verse original's debate. Just a gazillion of them from the 801. Dinosaurs Show Me the Way over Peter Framptons. Yes, I definitely agree with that.

From the 404, Joan Jets, Crimson, and Clover, over the Tommy James original. I definitely don't agree with that one. But I do like Joan Jets version. I loved it when I was a little kid. That's just a smattering. You guys are killing it on the text machine. Keep them coming.

617-906-66-6-3-8. I'll leave you with this one from the 210. Hey, Jake, love both shows, listening to the Manson slash Sharon Tate slash MamaCast episodes and a binge, and I'm loving them all. You may find it interesting to know that my grandfather was a psychologist

for the California Parole Board and that he got to interview Manson in the mid-80s. By the way, this is the texter saying this. This is not me saying this about my grandfather. The textor goes on to say that, quote, my grandfather was of the belief that old Charlie was quite a bit more lucid and shrewd than you'd have generally thought. Granted, he was still, quote, unquote, super scruy, my grandpa's words.

And again, that's the textor's grandpa, not mine. So there you have it. Manson was more lucid than we thought. I love this text. If you haven't heard the recent episodes on Charles Manson and Cass Elliott and Hector-Skelter, go check them out. And again, call or text me, 6179-0-66. or hit me up at Disgracelandpod on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook,

and email me, disgracelandpod at gmail.com. More in a bit. All righty, welcome back. This is the recommendations part of the show. I recently read or heard somewhere over the past couple weeks, and forgive me because I cannot remember where I got this quote, and I'm probably going to butcher it, but someone quoted Martin Scorsese as saying something to the effect of,

quote, as creators, no, no quote, because I'm butchering it, paraphrase at best. Scorsese says something like, as creators, it's our job to make our audiences obsessed with what we are obsessed with. I love that quote. I love that. It's so true. I try to do that in the episodes of Disgraceland that I create. There are all these sometimes subtle, sometimes overt references to the music books and the films

that I love. You know who else does that? Seinfeld does that. And it's fucking great. I'm not elevating what I do or equating what I do to one of the greatest television shows of all time. But it's one of the things that I love about that show is there's all these little references, you know, the Frank Costanza, you know, cooking in Korea and they're playing the music from Platoon. There's all kinds of stuff. But it's just, it's something that I love doing.

And like I said, I do it subtly and sometimes I do it overtly. And it's so true that quote is that, you know, as creators, it's our job to make our audiences obsessed with what we are obsessed with. And I think if you could do that, you can really go on this ride together with your audience, which is what I like to think we're doing. And that's really what this little section of the bonus episode is all about, what I'm reading, what I'm watching, and what I'm listening to. And it's a two-way street. I want to know what you guys are into because I need stuff to feed the beast.

It's all fuel. So you can hit me up with your recommendations at this great sand pod. and of course at the number I keep mentioning, 617-906-66-66-3-8. So, last week, I went into this long bit about the exhaustive movie list that we created to help inform our movie watching, like I'm a member of AFI or whatever, you know, Hitchcock, Spielberg, Scorsese, the Coen brothers, Tarantino, P.T. and West Anderson, that massive list with all those movies from these amazing creators, these amazing directors, and these dudes that reference that are all laid out in chronological order and all the movies reference each other. list that my wife and I are working through, again, chronologically.

The last after-party episode, I mentioned that I recently watched Scorsese's Who's That Knocking at My Door, Hitchcock's Marnie, and how Hitchcock's Topaz was up next. You know what I watched for movies since we last spoke? Honey, I shrunk the kids with Rick Moranis and Home Alone. Sometimes being a dad supersedes your pretentious movie watching endeavors. But whatever, it's cool. I did manage to watch Robert Mitchum in Night of the Hunter, but that was due to work. Part of the research for the Springsteen episode that I recently wrote. Researching Springsteen

also led me to the writing of Flannery O'Connor. I recently read A Good Man is Hard to Find. That story, the Mitchum story, they are, as my friend Tiller says, in conversation with each other. I spent Saturday night next to my Christmas tree with the Knob Creek Rye and Flannery O'Connor's Prayer Journal, a little book of prayers that she wrote, watching someone else wrestle with their faith on an intimate level is fascinating to me for some reason, probably because I continue the endless work of exploring my own faith. So it's this really compelling thing, this book, Flannery O'Connor, a prayer journal.

Check it out if you're at all interested in that sort of thing. And if you're not, whatever, that's cool too. And that read and that rye was soundtracked by a 1959 copy of Arthur Feidler conducting the Boston Pops' Pops Christmas Party, which I bought for a buck at Stereo Jackson, Cambridge. And that sounds excellent on my turn. table. It's a really good use of a dollar bill, I'm going to say. Plus the five cents tax. Our family is going to see the Boston Pops this Christmas and I'm really stoked about it.

My kids' minds are going to be blown by the scale and sound of this thing. I cannot wait. This is an excellent gift for my in-laws. I'm super grateful. I'm also, I'm super grateful for all you guys. 2022 wraps our fourth calendar year together. I say it all the time, but what a ride. Thank you for the support, the listens, the streams, the downloads, DMs, texts, emails, letters, voicemails. Thank you for staying connected, for giving a shit, for giving me my dream job. February 2020 will be the five-year anniversary of Disgraceland. Those five years flew by. And I am very much looking forward to what the next five bring for us all.

More on that in the coming weeks. Happy holidays and Merry Christmas and back after this. All right, discos, this brings another bonus episode of Disgraceland to an end. thank you for listening. Keep your ears glued to the disgrace land feed over the coming weeks here as we get through this holiday. We've got some important announcements on the coming year and some bonus content coming your way. Have a safe rest of your week. Enjoy your friends and your family this Christmas. And by all means, hit me up if you feel like blabbing 617-906-66-3638 on the text and the voicemail and disgracelandpod at gmail.com and at disgraceland pod on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok,

Facebook now for my weekly moment of zen in honor again, once again, of Mama Cass Elliott, a reading from the 1968 Greater Los Angeles Phone Book by yours truly. Worms, Robert, 474-7472, Wormser, Lawrence, 275-16-52, Whirl, Richard, 477-17-10, 4-1. Warwick, Jason. 838-79-58. Warshim. Alfred, 396-23-13-16.

Worsley, Raymond, 479-2564. Worsewick, Robert, 473-2308. Worcester, Donald, 823-44-25. Worth. Dean, 454. Stamley, 837-3884. Wortham, Dana, 473-96-974. Worthington, Alfred, 472.

Quit talking and start mixing.