DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: The Red X Tapes, True Badasses, and Ronnie Wood Guys

Episode Date: March 14, 2024

This week in the After Party, Jake discusses conspiracy theories, this week’s DISGRACELAND episode concluding the Peter Tosh story, and of course your emails, texts, DMS, and voicemails. Why was Peter Tosh murdered? Was it a conspiracy? What do you make of the revenge against the would-be assassins of Bob Marley? Get in touch at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod, and come join the After Party.To hear an extended version of the After Party with even more insight to the conspiracy theory about Peter Tosh's murder, an interview with this week's REWIND subject Michael Alig, and more from the DISGRACELAND community, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is exactly right. Double Elvis. Hey, Discos, you can listen to an extended version of this after-party episode by becoming a member of Disgraceland All Access. Just go to disgracelandpod.com slash membership for more details and to sign up. What's up, everybody? Welcome to Disgraceland, which is brought to you by Double Elvis. This week, we have a part two of our Peter Tosh story in the Disgraceland feed.

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Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. on this episode, we are talking about the conclusion of our two-part Peter Tosh story with part two in your disgrace land feeds right now. Conspiracy theories, some of them involving Peter Tosh's assassination, and of course your voicemails, texts, DMs, and more.

And as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get into it. All right, conspiracy theories, they're a tough hang for me. They are a useless wormhole, in my opinion. on the one hand, I don't really believe it actually in conspiracy theories. Let me explain. In the world out there, of course, on the Internet and elsewhere, there are, of course, conspiracy theories.

I acknowledge that they do exist. I believe that those are a thing. Yes, of course I do. But what I don't believe in most of the time anyways is that these secret cabals, these powerful elements of society, the Illuminati or whatever, I don't believe that they band together in secret to come up with some sort of master plan to pull off that results in people being killed or subjugated or whatever. What I do believe happens more often than not is that powerful forces are unleashed for

whatever reason, but usually by happenstance, sometimes by willful ignorance and very rarely in conjunction with one another. And these forces affect this super dramatic result. Sure, I will admit that. So in retrospect, after, say, I don't know, the president of the United States gets shot in Dallas in 1963 or Jeffrey Epstein kills himself in his jail cell or whatever. It's easy for armchair internet sluice, modern-day tinfoil hat-wheres, to piece together these grand narratives to help explain what can be seen as either a super complex

storyline that is highly compelling in the case of the JFK assassination or a super obvious explanation, as is the case with Jeffrey Epstein's death. The conspiracy theory is just the way to explain the unexplained. Does that make sense? It makes sense to me anyways. The conspiracy, the theory behind the conspiracy is not the motivating factor. You know what I'm saying?

The CIA did not hold meetings with the mafia and Lyndon Baines Johnson to plot out how to murder John F. Kennedy. Bill Clinton did not Venmo Prince Andrew 5 grand to hire a convict to make Jeffrey Epstein's murder look like a suicide. No, what happened was, JFK was a handsome, spoiled rich kid

who was used to getting whatever the hell he wanted and making his way through the world on his rich daddy's dime and his own considerable charm, and in an extreme active hubris, despite however well-meaning it might have been, he managed to betray and threaten the existence of two of the most powerful institutions in the world at the same time, the CIA and the mafia.

No conspiracy was needed. The writing was plain as day, and it was right there on the wall. El Prez had to go. And in the case of Epstein, the reason behind his death barely requires any further discussion, so I'm not even going to touch it, but to say just that there was no conspiracy.

It was just decided. He had to go. And if it wasn't put into motion by one powerful player who Epstein had compromising info on, it eventually would have been put into motion by another. Again, Bill, Hillary, JZ, Danny DeVito, Karatov, whoever the fuck else was on Epstein's list, did not hold conspiratorial meetings to determine how to kill the man. It was just going to happen. He knew too much about too many people. Someone was eventually going to step up and they did and no one in power is interested in the truth ever coming out. So it won't. On the other hand, the world is flat. cocaine is a wonder drug. The G-spot is real.

LeBron James is the greatest basketball player of all time. If you disagreed with any of these things at one point or another throughout the course of our shared history, then you were considered a conspiracy theorist. So what the fuck do I know? Well, I do know how Peter Tosh died. He was murdered by some shit-heel ex-con who added out for him for reasons you'll have to listen to in the recent episode of Disgraceland. I'm going to take a quick break, and I'll be back on the other side to discuss some of the sources that helped us tell this story of Peter Tosh's death.

All right, we talked a little about the sources that we used for the first Peter Tosh episode in last week's after party. I'm not going to rehash those here, but I did want to talk about some really interesting stuff that we dug up that didn't exactly make it into the episode. In a way, it did, but not really in a deep dive kind of way. One of the other books that we used that I haven't mentioned yet was This is Reggae, the Story of Jamaican music by Lloyd Bradley,

which came in really handy, not so much about Peter Tosh himself, but about the world of reggae music and Jamaican culture and all that. There's a lot of violence in these episodes, these two Peter Tosh episodes that we did, because there's just a lot of violence going on in that world in general. It's like if Martin Scorsese made a movie about the music industry, okay, political violence, class violence. The music scene in Jamaica at the time was corrupt, but the music side of it was healthy.

There was these huge sound systems, which I touched upon briefly in this episode, these trucks or wagons, whatever you want to call them, outfitted with big huge speakers and amplifiers. It made the music portable and omnipresent. These systems traveled all of it. over the island, these sound systems, they parked on a street corner. They were spinning the best vinyl for people, the latest singles that were coming out of Jamaica, the latest American and British releases as well, old favorites, it was fucking great. That sounds amazing to me. Just like in America or Britain, though, nothing new as all this music is being played over and over

again all over the place. The ones making all the money were the record companies and the studio owners. Crime bosses went hand in hand during this time, with the studios, with the record companies. Loan sharks, making high-interest loans. It went unpaid. It led to some really brutal consequences if he didn't pay up. And then there's the music royalties, which are supposed to be paid out to the artist, but of course they're not. So that in turn leads to the studios and the car is getting torched his payback. A lot of violence, a lot of drama, very interesting. So if you want any of that, go to This is Reggae, the Story of Jamaican music by Lloyd Bradley, you're going to get a lot of Peter Tosh. Someone like Peter Tosh, if you're going to rock the boat too much, you're going to

get a target on your back. Peter Tosh, as you heard in this episode, did a lot of rocking the boat. uh including you know it's funny in the bob marley episode we talked about bob marley uh strong army djs peter tosh just tried to buy the fucking radio station okay it wasn't so much to get his music out as it was his message um and you know the theory the conspiracy theory i hate that word uh phrase i mean uh was that there was a target on his back because of it uh and it just we're forced to ask because of all this, because it's out there, it's in the ether, it's very much part of this story, we're forced to ask why was Peter Tosh murdered? Shot and killed by a criminal, of course, we talked about this, someone he had pissed off,

we talked about the reason why, but that answer is not good enough for most people. Most people think there is more. I did this little Peter Tosh story on part of these episodes where he takes over Keith Richards' home and Keith comes to kick him out and I did this in like 90 seconds. over on TikTok, and this whole thing erupts in the comments about how Peter Tosh was murdered and who murdered him, and why, and yada, yada. For some reason, with some people, these theories just do not go away.

So when we do these episodes, we are forced to reckon with them, even if we don't necessarily believe them, believe that it was a conspiracy, that is to say. So we did, we got into it, and I think we presented it in a compelling and interesting way. But I want to know what you think, okay? This is not TikTok, this is not Instagram, Instagram, I have time to get into this a little more fully and to get into your thoughts on this

in a way that is perhaps a little bit more comprehensive and a little more compelling for us. I want to know what you thought about Peter Tosh in his death. Was he murdered for some other reason than just criminal revenge or wounded pride? Was this something deeper than that? Do you believe that anyways? I obviously don't. Do you think it was powerful forces that be either from the U.S. government or working with Jamaican politicians or the Jamaican government or with the CIA.

What is it? What's your theory? I want to know. Hit me up. 617-906-66-6638. While we're at it, and this is not a conspiracy theory, I just believe it's the truth hiding in plain sight. Let me know what you think of the vengeance

that was distributed to Bob Marley's assassins. Okay, the seven assassins, or would-be assassins, I should say, who tried to kill Bob Marley as we discuss in the Bob Marley episode of Disgraceland, which is akin, of course, and in conversation with Peter Tosh. So we discuss how all seven of those assassins winded up dying violent, brutally violent deaths. One was fucking buried alive, okay? Before we get to those deaths, we talk about Bob Marley and the violence that is part of his history.

I alluded to it earlier when I talked about Bob Marley strong arming that DJ, but of course there's another story about Bob Marley finding out that his manager was stealing from him and to force a confession out of his manager. He has two of his friends, his bodyguards, hold his manager outside, of a seventh-story window upside down, and then Bob himself, if you're to believe this story, holds a gun to his head. So we paint this picture, obviously,

that violence was definitely part of Bob Marley's backstory. So when all of his assassins wind up dead, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Bob had something to do with it. Perhaps, what do you think? I want to know. 617-906-66-38. You can send me a text,

you can send me a voicemail. Just like Johnny from the 617. Yo, what's up, Jake? It's Johnny Vinyl from the 617 here in Boston. My band to shelve our album, I would demand $5 million, because I would take a lot of that $5 million, right? I would buy my way out of the contract, take the album to a different label that believes in us and would release the album. And we would pockets change. Johnny Vinyl, appreciate the voicemail, man. Johnny's calling in on the question of how much money would you take, or would you take, excuse me, a million dollars to shelve a piece of. of work that you created, that you love, that you wanted to put out into the world, but the

powers that be demanded that it wasn't good enough so they would offer you a million dollars not to put it out. That is, of course, from the story of in excess and their record kick. Johnny calling in. Johnny taking a different approach, and I like it, being entrepreneurial here, you know, give me the five million, and, you know, I'll take what I can, million plus, two, maybe three, buy my way out of the contract, go to another label that believes in me, and I release the record there. And at this, Is anything left over? You know, I'll put it in my pocket,

buy myself some new records, maybe kick up a couple shekels to some charity or something. I don't know. Put a little extra in the basket on Sunday Mass. Maybe Johnny, who knows? 816 writes in,

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didn't kill them. Here we go. Wanted a lot. to know your opinion. Also, I almost believe that the 60s, San Francisco and LSD, would keep you busy for the next year. Thank you again for your content. Yeah, yeah, 816. Okay, let's just rewind this a bit. First of all, sounds like you're new. Sounds like you found us on Instagram in the recent future. Sorry, in the recent past and in the recent future. And I thank you for that. At this Graceland pod, guys, if you're not following us on Instagram, head over there.

As for finding us or watching us on YouTube, thank you. Those are not our podcast episodes, however. We've got a couple of them up there. You want to go to Spotify. You want to go to Apple Podcasts. You want to go to IHeart, the IHeart Radio app. You want to go to Amazon Music, and you want to find us there. And that's where you will find the Kurt Cobain episode and every other episode that we've done.

We have some, very few episodes up on YouTube. And then we have these little sort of 20-minute stories that I put together last year that are up there as well. I'm currently figuring out, though, have no fear, how to get all the podcast episodes up onto YouTube in short order. We are working on that as we speak, all right? But that should not delay you from running to your music streaming app of choice right now. I'm listening to Disgraceland. And if you do, and if you check out the Charles Manson episodes, the Mama Cass episodes, you will get all of your San Francisco LSD conspiracy content that you so crave.

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including, like I said, an extended version of this year after party where I'm going to be talking more about the various conspiracy theories. See, I'm getting sucked in. The various conspiracy theories surrounding Peter Tosh's assassination, specifically one that said it was a contract hit that was put out there by some government officials behind closed doors, all clandestine-like, all right? So you want to get into these deeper revelations about Peter Tosh and get more of me talking with all of you, your voicemails, your text, your DMs, your emails.

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Sign up to become an all-access member. But if that ain't your bag, then, hey, number two, right now in your feed, we get the second part of our two-part episode on Peter Tosh. Number three, coming tomorrow, a rewind episode on Michael Allig, number four. Over in the Badlands Feed, we've got episodes from the archive on Sal Minio and Danny Trejo, number five next week in the disgrace land feed, a brand new episode on Steve McQueen. That's right, the man himself, number six, my number six, one, seven, nine, zero six, six, three, call me on the telephone or text me number seven. Remember, no one cares about the music that you love more than you doing well.

That's a disgrace. All right. And now, my moment of bliss in honor of this week's episode on Peter Tosh, me reading you, the Billboard Hot One. from the week of September 5th, 1987, the week that the reggae superstar was brutally gunned down in his own home. Number one. La Bamba Los Lobos. Last week, one.

Peak position. One. Weeks on chart. 11. Number two. I just can't stop loving you. Michael Jackson. Last week.

Six. Peak position. Two. Weeks on chart. Five. Number three. Who's that guy? girl Madonna last week to peak position one weeks on char nine number four only in

my dreams that's Debbie Gibson last week one five to peak position one four weeks on seven eight nine number two number six don't mean nothing Michael Jackson And then, last, last six, three, five, peak position, three, so mix on show. And start mixing. Cut it!