DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode: Turnstile and Why Hardcore Music is Now Pop Music plus Our Greatest Live Music Childhood Memories

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

Turnstile is the first hardcore band to ever win a Grammy award. Two grammys actually. And now hardcore will never be the same. Listen to this bonus episode of Disgraceland to hear why. And as always, Jake responds to your voicemails, texts, dms, emails and more. For more wild stories from the world of music and true crime, check out these Disgraceland episodes: Motley Crue Nirvana Pt 1 & Pt 2 Metallica  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is exactly right. Double Elvis. Hey, Discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

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All right, discos, let's get into it. All right, here's something interesting. Turnstile is the first hardcore band to win a Grammy Award. The Baltimore Quintet nab two Grammys, won each in the best rock album and best metal performance categories. You guys know I'm a Turnstile fan. You know I've been paying attention to this. I've been following along.

I come from the hardcore scene. So this is of particular interest to me. Again, Turnstile, two Grammys. One for best rock album and another for best metal performance. But make no mistake about it, Turnstile is a hardcore band. In the best rock album category, Turnstile beat out New Metal Journeyman Lincoln Park,

perpetual Hollywood scene Darling's Heim, crossover vets, deaf tones, and Rock's latest hope, Youngblood. And in the best performance category, turnstiles song, Birds, won over masked metalheads sleep token, Canadian progressive metalhead, spirit box, and two theater rock groups,

ghost and dream theater. Now make no mistake, turnstile is neither a rock band or a metal band. In the group's acceptance speech, frontman Brandon Yates said that the community we found through punk in hardcore music has given us a safe place to swing in the dark

and land somewhere beautiful. Community, that word, in particular. Community is what separates the hardcore. scene from the metal scene, from the rock scene, even from the punk scene, even though Yates categorized the scene that turned style came from as being punk and hardcore. He's from the hardcore scene, trust me. And the hardcore scene is different, much different. It's built on a different set of values. Now, long before these concepts became mainstream, the hardcore scene embraced the concepts of inclusiveness, of do-it-yourself grit, and independence, decades before the

these ideas were embraced and promoted by other music subcultures. The hardcore scene that Turnstiles Brendan Yates is talking about, cultivated, an open-mindedness that still champions esoteric lifestyles and religions, everything from straight-edge to vegetarianism and veganism, Harry Krishna, even Rastafarianism. Other music scenes, particularly metal and rock, openly mocked and ridiculed the hardcore scene for its openness. Now, Turnstiles Brendan Yates took the stage at the 68th,

Grammy Awards the other night. And again, he said, the community we found through punk and hardcore. Again, that's the key word, community. The hardcore community is completely different than other musical communities. It's hard to explain unless you've lived in it, as I have. In a lot of ways, it's like being part of a club, a club of outsiders. And that's what drew me and many others to the hardcore scene to begin with. And once you've been accepted into this club, you, you, you, you never really leave. In that way, I guess it's kind of like the mafia or the CIA. When you travel, I'm joking, but when you're traveling in all seriousness, when you're traveling, you're traveling abroad. This happened me so many times. You're traveling abroad. You're somewhere else

far from home. You're walking down a foreign street, perhaps, and you pass a dude wearing a gorilla biscuits t-shirt or a Bane hoodie, or yeah, maybe some turnstile swag. You don't necessarily stop and talk to that dude, but for sure, the both of you exchanged knowing nods. Now, You and the girl wearing the Joy Division T-shirt, you're not necessarily going to do that. Nor would you with the guy wearing the Motley Cruce shirt. It's different. It's a different experience. It's a different lived-in experience being in the hardcore scene.

So Turnstile, though they won in both the rock and metal categories, is the first hardcore band to win a Grammy Award. This is never done before. Now, the interesting thing here is, even though Turnstile is a hardcore band, What I want to ask is this, is the music from their latest album, Never Enough, Hardcore Music. And the answer is no. It's not. It's something more. It's something different. The music on Never Enough transcends hardcore music. It, of course, has trademark hardcore elements, mosh parts, big chug-a-chugga riffs, sing-along choruses, breakdowns. But it also includes elements

that no hardcore band has ever included and succeeded with, namely synth parts that are not just atmospheric, they're singular. I heard that record, I was like, God, they're making like Smith's guitar riffs with synthesizers. Okay, these elements, they add this, this originality that I think, I believe, anyways, is going to long be imitated by other bands, not just hardcore bands. And in a way, will contribute in no small manner to the future of not just heavy music, not just hardcore music, but to the future of pop music. Now, hear me out. Like Metallica and Nirvana before them, Turnstile created a new sound that transcended the niche scene that first embraced them. After Metallica released the Black album, they no longer sounded like a metal band. They no longer

sounded like anything but Metallica in a new version of Metallica, not like the Metallica from the albums previous, not like injustice for all, not like Master of Puppets, not like Ride the Lightning. Black album sounded like Metallica in that moment, something different. Same for Nirvana. Nothing was the same after Nevermind. The band on that album didn't sound like an alternative band. They didn't sound like a Seattle band. They didn't sound like a college band or even a grunge band, whatever that was. They sounded like Nirvana. Nirvana after Nevermind no longer sounds like The Melvins or Mudhoney, as they kind of do on bleach. I mean, yeah, they're their own thing on bleach.

But you put bleach up without never mind, right? In 1989 or whenever bleach comes out, yeah, 1988, I think, you put that album up there next to a Melvin's record from the era or a mud honey record from the era. And they're all in conversation with each other. They all speak sonically to one another. They sound similar. Same thing with Metallica, previous to the Black album.

Okay? and Justice for All with Slayer's reign in blood or with a Megadeth or Anthrax record, they're all kind of in conversation together, right? All those, the big thrash bands, they're all kind of there. They're all kind of on the track, neck and neck, nose to nose. What happens when the Black album comes out? Metallica can no longer be compared to Slayer or Megadeth or Anthrax. Both Metallica and Nirvana evolved into something beyond their respective thrash

and grunge scenes and into a new kind of popular music. Because those albums, not only did they sound different, they had a commercial breakthrough. They had a commercial impact. They impacted popular culture in the way that the records previously did not, and they impacted popular culture with a new evolution of the band's sound that turned them into something new, something different, something that had never been heard before,

something known as pop music. a new kind of pop music. And what happens when a band becomes pop, their influence grows exponentially. After Nevermind by Nirvana, and after the Black album by Metallica, new crops of musicians took to their instruments inspired by Nirvana and Metallica

without being inspired by other grunge or thrash bands. Now, I'm not saying that's a good thing necessarily. I'm just saying that it's a thing. Trust me, in 1991, 1991, 1992, when those records were out there, there were kids buying guitars, learning Nirvana songs, who had never heard mud honey,

had never heard the Melvins before. Same goes from Metallica, kids learning Metallica songs who had no idea who Megadeth was. And again, I'm not saying that's a good thing, I'm just saying that it's a thing. And that the hardcore sound

through Turnstile alone will now be singed into the future of pop music because, put simply, turnstile has become something other than a hardcore band. They've become turnstile. And now they have two Grammy Awards to prove it. Turnstile, love them, hate them, never heard of them,

kind of interested in them, whatever. You can no longer escape the fact that they are more consequential today than they were a week ago. And I kind of love it. I didn't see it coming. I did not see this coming. and I'm kind of stoked about it. Anyways, speaking of influence and consequence,

this week's new episode on one of the most consequential bands of the 1990s, Jane's Addiction, is currently available for you to listen to. This is part two of the Jane's Addiction story. We dropped episode one in the feed for you guys, give you a refresh before diving into the continuation of the Jane's saga. Jane says she's done with Sergio, he treats me like a ragdoll.

I love that line. I love this band. Jane's Addiction blew my mind when I first. first heard them. I was lucky enough to see him in a smallish venue when I was in high school, an auditorium in Fitchburg, Massachusetts, and they were fucking incredible, incredible, probably the greatest live band I'd seen up until that point until I saw Fugazi a couple years later in the same venue, mind you, in Fitchburg, Wallace Civic Center. And then again, I saw Fugazi and Clinton Mass. My band got to open up for them, take that turnstile. I'm kidding.

Anyways, Zeth and I are going to be talking about our favorite live music experiences as kids in the exclusive section of this some after party. Some real 90s, early aughts, live music stories, huge bands we've seen in small clubs, bizarre experiences with rock stars on the corners of the street, all kinds of stuff. All in the exclusive all access section of this after party. Go to disgracehandpod.com to sign up. And as I'm saying this, maybe we'll make this two-part all-access section because I think it'd be cool to hear. your wildest live music experiences from childhood as well. Now I'm thinking about this out loud. As I say it, maybe what we'll do is have you guys call in or text 617-906-66-66-6-6-36-3-8.

Call us this week. Give us your stories about your most memorable live music experiences and we'll play them in next week's All-access section of the after party as we continue this conversation. So, again, check out today's Convo, me and Zeth talking wild live music experiences as kids and calls. 617-90666-6-6-6-3-8. Leave a voicemail, send a text. Give us your wild live music experiences as children, children of the 90s, children of whenever. You don't have to have been coming up in the 90s. These don't have to be 90s experiences. And you can hear your answers in the all-access section of next week's after party. We'll keep this convoy going. All right, after Jane's part two this week. And after this bonus episode in our feed, we've got Beatles part one and part two,

speaking of consequential artists. You can't get more consequential than the Beatles. And then next week, we've got our new long-awaited, long-requested episode on Mia Zapata of the GITS. Mia Zapata, of course, was murdered and died way too young, prompting next week's question of the week, which musicians do you love that died before they got their due? Be thinking of this when you're listening to the Mia Zapata episode. And then again, give me a call. 617-90666-6-3638. Let me know. The phone lines are open, as they say. Let me know which musicians that you love who died before they got their due. 617-906-66-66-38 voicemail and text.

I'll be back after this with your answers to last week's question of the week. All right, guys, we're back, and I wanted to just point something out here real quick to you. A lot of you might know this. A lot of you might not. We've got a new podcast. It's called This Film Should Be Played Loud. And it's all about the greatest music from our favorite movies. Now, you have to be an All- Access member to watch this podcast.

It's a video podcast. We have two tiers of All-Axcess membership. have video and audio. Ten bucks a month gets you a bunch of new video content plus ad free listening that we've been offering forever and exclusive content. And the $599 monthly level gets you the audio version of all access. Okay. Again, ad free listening are exclusive mini episodes. Both the audio and video level, they're going to get you into the community chat on Patreon. You can become a member at the $599 level in Apple Podcasts and Patreon. Video is available through Patreon, go to disgracehandpod.com to sign up. I'm super stoked about this video should be played loud.

I love, I think that my two favorite things in the world, or my favorite thing in the world, besides my kids and my family and, you know, the big sort of tent pole stuff is when you're watching a great movie and this incredible song comes on and it just, it changes everything. It changes the film. It changes the story. It changes the emotional connection you're having to the characters. And it even changes the way you think about that music when you see it in the context with the movie. And that can come from a needle drop, something on the soundtrack. It can be scoring, whatever it is, the combination of music and images on screen. Just unbelievable. I love it. That's at the heart of this film should be played loud. We've done two episodes so far.

We did an episode. Our first episode is on Goodfellas. Our second episode is on train spotting. The next episode, I believe we're going to cover Marty Supreme, the new film, the new Timothy Salome movie that's out there right now. It's going to be episode three of this film should be played loud. Train spotting, like I said, is the most recent one. Matt, why don't you play the folks here, a little taste of this film should be played loud? The opening scene in this movie is it's the two U.Ns. It's Ewan McGregor and Ewan Bremner. They're hauling ass down the street with a cop and a

store clerk in a hot pursuit behind them. And Iggy Pop's Lust for Lus. Life is playing, and it literally, the first shot is of a foot hitting the pavement right as the opening drumbeat of Lust for Life plays. And you're just like, you were just yanked into this world so hard. Were you into Iggy at the time? Or did you have the same? For me, I don't know that I've ever heard this song before I saw this movie. And I vividly remember the song coming on and being like, holy shit, what is this song?

Well, before I answer the question, I just, for those in the audience who are younger, it's important to remember that in 1996 when train spotting comes out, lust for life by Iggy Pop as hard as it is now to imagine was not a ubiquitous sort of classic tune. It just was not. I mean, I'm sure I had heard it, but I wasn't a fan of Iggy Pop's music. I knew who he was and I thought he was an interesting guy

because you got to remember he's doing like crybaby around this time and dead man. This day will the Lord deliver thee into mine hands. For me, yeah, this had the reputation of the guy who, like, cut himself on stage. And I was like, I don't know, that's a little too transgressive for me, maybe, you know? Yeah, that was definitely part of the lore. And he was just something that, you know, Johnny Depp was very enthralled with him at the time. And we all knew who Johnny Depp was, obviously.

And he was just kind of this like elder statesman in the alternative world. But I wasn't listening to Iggy Pop on purpose at that time. I wasn't, I had friends, though, I should say, who probably thought that I was lame because I didn't have the Scrooge's album. You know what I mean? Right. It took a while. It took a while for me to get into that. And this movie kind of did it for the song, but that's not what, Iggy Pop isn't what this movie turned me on to musically.

We can get into what the movie did turn me onto. But no, Iggy wasn't really on my radar. And now when you go back and you're just, it's not just, it's not just the lust for life scene in the beginning, which is absolutely like instantly iconic. Yeah. It's that nightclubbing scene. Yes. And the menace clubbing. Yeah.

Which Bowie produced, right? Bowie produced. That one's off the idiot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just... It sounds like a hangover that song, you know? Yeah, it really, it sounds like you're hanging out with the wrong fucking people. That's what, and that's happened. Bowie was hanging in it. Bowie and Iggy were both hanging out with the wrong people at the time. It just so happened that it was each other. Yeah.

All right, guys, that's this film should be played loud. Myself and Zeth Lundy getting down with our favorite music in movies. Go to disgracefodd.com to sign up, become an all-access member and cop that exclusive content. 617-906-66-36-36-38, voicemail and text to get in touch like we do every week. Like I said, with the Jane's Addiction episode, we prompted the question. Who was the most consequential artist of the 90s? Let's check in with the 818. Hey, Jake.

Calling it about your question about which band best embodies the 90s. Thank you, by the way, for not saying which band is the most iconic. That word is getting seriously overused, and it's annoying. but I digress. Who's the most important? No, it's got to be Nirvana. Who's probably the longest-lasting, still going, important band, probably Pearl Jam,

guest hard rock album from that era? Soundgarden, super unknown for me. I can't even get into 90s hip-hop and R&B because that's like a whole separate podcast, and you might be having that already in the works, who knows. But in terms of like which band embodies for me the nikes. It was kind of a left field one because I never even listened to

them until the 2000s. Uncle Tupelo. They created a whole genre, Alt Country. They gave birth to two bands after they split up, SunVolt and my favorite band, Wicco. I didn't even know about them until the Wilco movie

I'm trying to break your heart came up and then I kind of started going back and like little did I know. That was a huge part of a lot of people's lives in the 90s. I know they started late 80s. Only went into 94, but I think just the fact that they kind of created a whole new genre to some bands out of that. For me, that's my answer.

Thanks for all you're doing. If you don't have an Uncle Tupleau episode, I would suggest it. But you know what? You just talked about how people don't even know these things. I'm fairly new here. You probably have like two Uncle Two Poor episodes for all I know. Thanks a bunch, man. Rockerola. Yeah, okay. Great, great, great, great, great call. so much here to unpack. First of all, I hear you on the iconic thing. It drives me nuts.

It absolutely drives me nuts. Not everybody can be iconic. Part of what makes somebody an icon is they are separate and apart from everybody else. And there's a time component to it as well. So, yeah, I could go on and on about that. I agree with you on Nirvana. I agree with you on what you said about Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. I do think, though, that I don't really know how to, I haven't quite figured out how to,

how to position Jane's addiction in this thinking because I do firmly believe that if it weren't for their efforts, the Nirvana thing wouldn't have happened. Now, I suppose you could probably even trace it back further. You know, you can go from Jane's addiction back perhaps to REM and Pixies and the work they sort of did with college radio and sort of creating the runway for the 90s explosion that was supercharged by Jane's addiction and then Nirvana. And on 90s hip-hop, You're right. That's a whole other separate conversation. I love 90s hip-hop and R&B, by the way. And it's funny that you should bring up Uncle Tupelo. Uncle Tupelo, we just started talking about them in the exclusive, we already taped the exclusive section, the conversation here between Zet and I. You'll hear Zeth's experience with Uncle Tupelo as a young kid. And that album, No Depression, was produced by a good friend of ours, Paul Calderie, who I've done a lot of work with in the past. Just a great, great record. I'm definitely more of a tweety guy than I am J.FARR. But, you know, I had Spotify on randomly playing random stuff the other day, and this song came on.

It was kind of a later, it wasn't from No Depression. It was some Uncle Tuplow thing. It rocked so hard. And it was a J4R song. But I'm not really a Sunvolt guy. But I get it. I get why people are. Anyhow, great, great call.

Lots to unpack there. Check out the all-access section of this, too, if you want. want to hear more about that Uncle Tupelo experience that Zeth had and some Ryan Adams stuff too if you're into the whole all-country thing all right let's check out this voicemail from the six one seven jake neil from brighton mass 02135 i just want to say you're doing a great job love the episodes the newer ones and keep up the great work if you're not around town you're not missing a damn thing thank you for all you do neil thank you for your call I saw the 617 zip code and I was like, oh, I got to check up this Boston call.

You did not disappoint, my friend. And yes, I am not in Boston and not around. I'll be there this weekend, though I'm going back. And I'm excited about it. You can watch the Patriots in New England in the Super Bowl as it should be done. Right? Right? More on that later.

843 text saying, hey, Jane's addiction was indeed the complete embodiment of the 1990s to me at the time. I pierced my septum at 13. And my senior quote in 93 was from ocean size. there you go. 360 text in, hey, I met Perry Farrow one night on the way to an after hours club in Venice Beach, 1998. My friend Karen had her Hebrew name tattooed on the back of her calf,

and he, being Jewish, could read it, came up behind us and chatted us up a minute. Turns out we're all going to the same club. Later on, I saw my brain pack up a suitcase and roll off down the sidewalk on a skateboard, but that's another story. I don't know what that's in reference to 360, but I'm happy you got to hang out with Perry Farrow.

That sounds amazing. 978, Helltone Mark, he of the epic disgrace land playlist checking in here. Mark says, hey, Jake, playlist is now up to an including little peep. You said for me to get in touch, take advantage of your very generous Patreon offer. How can I get that going? That's a good question, Helltown, Mark. We're going to figure that out. This is my very public note to figure that out.

All right. Thanks for your patience and thanks for all you do. If anyone's like, what the hell is Jake in Helltown Mark talking about? Well, Mark has been going through every episode of disgrace land from the beginning. And as you know, there are probably about 260 episodes right now. I'm not exactly sure. And Mark is making a playlist with every piece of music mentioned from every single episode of disgrace land. And so far, he's up to Little Peep, which is, I don't know, got to be around like episode

70 years, something like that, the 80, something along those lines. Keep going, Mark. We'll get you that Patreon, all-access membership. 9-20 Texan, episode suggestion, ministry, new world order. I like that. Got to definitely do a ministry episode at some point. 617-906-66-66-38. Guys get in touch, interested to know from y'all, which of your favorite rock stars died before they got their due? we're going to be talking about next week. 617-90666-6-6-38 voicemail and text to let me know. If you want to email me, you can do so at disgrace-lam pod at gmail.com. Rob Hervey writes in, hey, I enjoy your podcast, thought of a couple of episode ideas.

One is about Felix popularity bass player from Mountain, who was murdered by his wife, Gail. And the other story is about Mike Gordon, bassist for fish. Around the tour of the millennium, he got into some trouble with some Hell's Angels and wound up getting his balls stomped for taking pictures. of an underaged girl whose father was a club member. Have a great year. You know, we did a fish episode. We did not get into this story.

And there's, uh, we had, we had our reasons. Uh, I didn't know this hell's angels. I didn't write that episode. So maybe Zeth knows. I didn't know this hell's angels angle. However, I wonder if this is true. Uh, we'll check this out, Rob and report back. In the meantime, Rob, check out our fish episode as it stands and let us know what you think.

617-9066638 voicemail and text. at Disgracelampot on the social's disgracelampod at gmail.com. You want to get in touch? That's how you do it. Back in flash after this. All right, Matt, it is Super Bowl Week, my friend. It's back, baby. This is the 60-second sports rant in under 30 seconds,

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title. You may look upon our postseason dominance with envy, but let me tell you, it is not easy being a Patriots fan. It is not easy being this hated, this despised by the entire country. How bad do football fans hate the New England Patriots and their fans? Well, as you probably heard, the winningest, most dominant coach in NFL history, Bill Belichick with six Super Bowl titles as a head coach with the Pats was denied entry into the Pro Football Hall of Fame last week.

This week, Pat's owner, Robert Kraft, also with six titles, was denied for the 14th time. Now, if having the most titles as a coach and owner does not get you into the Hall of Fame, then what does? And how do you explain this? Patriots hate, that's how. All right? But that's okay. That's cool.

We'll take it. Pat's players have long made league hate fuel for postseason victory. And I, of course, am hoping that they do so again this weekend. We shall see. All right, Matt, how'd I do? 128 today, Jake. You know, I think that's pretty good. You've been on the shelf for quite a while.

You had a lot to say. You know. All right, well, that's okay. I'll take the L in hopes that the Pats get the W this weekend. That was the sports rant sponsored by Five Hour Energy's confetti-craze flavor back by popular demand. Confetti Cray's tastes like the best birthday cake ever with its rich, buttery and vanillay flavors. Since Five-Hour Energy shots are tiny, it's easy to take that birthday everywhere you go, plan your confetti crazed party at

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reason never actually pressed play until the most recent Lady Gaga Part 1 episode. And yeah, hooked is the word. 10 of 10 stars. Jake does a really amazing job at setting the dark and cinematic vibes without feeling exploitative and gossipy. It's nice to find a podcaster who respects nuance. Girl Kai from Chai, get in touch, we'll get you some merch, and I appreciate you saying that about the nuance. It's an interesting balance because if I'm being totally honest, as you know, I like the more dramatic portions of the story, as I think we all do. That's the type of storytelling that I'm drawn to, but if you do that without nuance, it just becomes sensational. So finding that nuance and finding enough of it and not using too much of it is an interesting challenge when it

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Subscribe to Hollywoodland in your podcast feed if you are not subscribed already. I'll be back after this. All right, guys, in this episode, we mentioned a ton of artists, but I remember specifically talking about Nirvana and Metallica in the B block. And for new listeners, if you're not aware, we have episodes on, of course, We have two episodes on Nirvana, and we have a episode on Metallica, and those are in our archive. Matt will have the episode information for both of those in the show notes section of this

bonus episode. So you'll be able to easily navigate your way to Metallica and Nirvana, and also Motley Crew. We mentioned Motley Crew as well. All right. All right. Let's recap. Shall we, number one, this week, our new episode on Jane's Addiction is available for you right now.

Number two, rewind episodes on the Beatles, Parts 1 and Part 2 coming up this end of this week. And number three, next week we get a brand new episode on Mia Zapata of the Gits. Zeth, as always, is bringing you those Hollywood and true crime vibes in Hollywoodland. Make sure you are subscribed. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our new video podcast with our new episode on train spotting is available. You got to be a Patreon member to cop that. So go to disgraceandpot.com to sign out.

Number six, six one seven, nine oh six, six, six, three, eight. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling and texting with your answers to this week's question of the week. or with whatever else you guys want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records, and the true crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, back on July 18th, 1991, Ice Tees body count, the Rollins band, Bud Hole Surfers, Living Color, Nine Inch Nails, Susie and the Benches, and Jane's Addiction,

performed for the first ever show at the first ever Lollapaloozator. And here's. is what America was listening to on that day according to the billboard charts. Number one, everything I do, I do it for you, Brian Adams. Last week, four, peak position, one, weeks on chart, five. Number two, right here, right now. Jesus Jones, last week, three, peak position, two, weeks on chart, 16. Number three, unbelievable EMF. Last week, one, peak position, one, weeks on charm, 60s.

Number four, passion, rhythm, syndicates. Last week, five, peak position, four, weeks on charm, nine. Number five, summertime. DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince. Talking and start mixing.