DISGRACELAND - Bonus Episode - Video Directors, MTV stars, and Big News From Hollywood

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

This week in the After Party, Jake looks at video directors from the 80s and 90s who went on to have careers in films. Plus, we hear from you about your favorite early MTV artists, and Jake has big news for fans of Disgraceland, Hollywood, and true crime.Next week, we're bringing you a story about Seattle rockers Alice in Chains, and we want to know: Which Seattle band or artist is your favorite? Thirty five years after the peak of grunge, which bands are you still listening to today? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [e-mail], or on socials @disgracelandpod.For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as:Episode 42 - MadonnaEpisode 118 - AC/DCEpisode 135 - AerosmithTo hear an extended version of the After Party and unlock access to a monthly exclusive episode and ad free listening, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership.Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch!Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTERFollow Jake and DISGRACELAND:InstagramYouTubeX (formerly Twitter)  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is exactly right. Double Elvis. Hey, Discos. Need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the After Party.

Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party. The bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's full episode subject, George Michael. We also discuss those amazing music videos that were directed by future A-list filmmakers, as well as a special announcement that we get into that is going to make your ears very happy.

And, of course, we get into your voicemails, text, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, discos, let's get into it. Arrowsmith, Billy Idol, and George Michael. All three of those artists were part of the late 80s, early 90s, heavy rotation on MTV. Now, if I asked you which of those artists was the more criminal-minded, which of those artists was the batter of the three? Hell, Arrowsmith called themselves the bad boys of Boston. If I asked you which of those artists were arrested the most, I doubt you'd answer George Michael. I wouldn't. Yet, that's the truth. George Michael was arrested seven times in 12

years, seven times in just 12 years. Now, Billy Idol had his fair share of run-ins with the law, and we're going to cover all of them in an upcoming episode on Billy Idol in about a month from now. And we, of course, got into all of Arrowsmith's transgressions, or most of them anyway, in a previous episode of disgrace, Sam. But in this week's full episode, George Michael seemed just designed to get arrested. At least it seemed that way in the second half of his career. I uncovered another strange connection about George Michael, Arrow Smith, and Billy Idol when I was thinking about putting together this bonus episode and talking to you guys. And that connection extends to other great 80s MTV era stars, Madonna, Iggy Pop, Don Henley, Michael Jackson in the Rolling Stones. Despite all of those, well, with the exception of Michael Jackson, despite all of those artists being covered in disgrace land, they all share something else in. common with each other and with George Michael. And that's the fact that they all made great videos directed by the great David Fincher. We know David Fincher now for his incredible film, Seven,

Fight Club Zodiac, which is my favorite of Fincher's movies, the social network, the girl with the dragon tattoo, gone girl, and a lot more. But we don't really think of David Fincher, at least I didn't, I'm sure some of you pet do because you're just more inclined to know this stuff than I am. We don't think of David Fincher as a video director. Yet, he directed a ton of videos in the 1980s and the 1990s. And for those artists I just mentioned, Billy Idol's cradle of love, which is a great video. Arrow Smith, Janie's got a gun. Another great video.

Great song, too, by the way. For all the shit I give Arrow Smith, I love that song. Iggy Pop song, Home, Madonna's Vogue, a ton of Madonna. of videos, but Vogue is probably her most iconic of the ones that Fincher has directed. And just too many more great videos to list. Too many. But probably none better than George Michael's Freedom 90, better known as just Freedom. A video George Michael doesn't even appear in, but instead features five, count them five, smoking hot next level, beautiful supermodels. Linda Evangelista, Christy Turlington, Naomi Campbell.

Tatiana Petit, am I saying that correctly? And probably the most beautiful woman in my teenage eyes had ever seen on screen. Up to that point, Cindy Crawford. Now this video comes out, of course, in an era where the supermodel is being defined, is coming into national prominence, is becoming iconic. This video exploded off of the screen. George Michael completely outdoes himself. This video is a fuck off to George Michael's record label Sony.

George was in a sort of soft war with the label and the executives over there for around his image and the oversaturation of his image to the public via the record labels just nonstop promotion and the demands they put on him. And thus this video for his hit song, he refused to be in it, which is pretty incredible. You know, major pop star, major songwriter, major performer, doesn't want to be in a major video. but the video is still a huge success. None of us cared because it had fucking Cindy Crawford in it. Not to mention Linda Vangelista and all the others I mentioned. Now knowing what I now know, it's no surprise to me that this video succeeded without featuring George Michael. And it's not just

because of the supermodel hotness that I was just joking about. It's also because we now know that David Fincher who directed Freedom is a genius behind the camera. That wasn't, you know, He was known as a music video during that music video director during that time. But, yeah, I mean, there's quite a difference between directing great videos and great movies. It's a huge difference. And we got into what it takes to make a movie in the Scorsese episode, a couple episodes ago. So this got me thinking about what other now famous directors directed huge music videos from back in the day. And I looked into it.

It's a pretty incredible list. I kind of always, this is always in the back of my mind, but I never fully looked into it. And again, when I was watching these videos as a kid, when most of us were, I didn't care who directed them. I had no concept of that sort of thing. So for now, to me, it's completely compelling. So anyways, in addition to David Fincher, you, of course, the obvious one, you have Spike Jones, director of the films being John Malcovich and her with Joaquin Phoenix. Spike, however, famously directed those incredible Beastie Boys videos from the 1990s, sabotage and Shurrot, but also videos for Weezer, the breeders, his fat boy Slim video is incredible, and there's a ton of others by Spike

Jones. Zach Snyder, okay, massive director who recently helmed the DC Comics Batman franchise. Way back in the day, directed Soul Asylum, somebody to shove video, which is a great song. He's directed others as well, but none worth mentioning for my estimation in that Soul Asylum video. Brian DePalma, one of the greatest directors. to come out of the 1970s, would later direct a Bruce Springsteen video and a pretty iconic one. Bruce is dancing in the dark featuring an unknown actress at the time by the name of Courtney Cox,

a guy named Gore Verbinsky, the dude who directed the massively successful Pirates of the Caribbean, also directed the Ring, the American version of the ring. He directed Gore, he directed Bad Religion videos back in the day, along with some others. He was even in a band with Brett from Bad Religion for a moment. Michael Bay, okay, this is the guy. if you don't know Michael Bay, he's got a huge, huge action movies, Transformers being, I think, the top of his IMDB. Michael Bay got his start on MTV making videos from Meatloaf, Britney Fox, if you remember Britney Fox, hair metal, which just kind of makes sense. I don't care about

Transformers and I didn't care about Britney Fox. Finally, we're going to mention Brett Ratner, who before being canceled made massive Hollywood films like Rush Hour and X-Men. He, of course, got to start directing music videos, hip-hop videos, public enemy, Wu-Tang, Diddy, Michael Jackson as well, a ton of others. I think he even did a Madonna video, a love, a Courtney Love video, a whole video, or maybe a Courtney Love Solo, I can't remember.

Anyways, I found this all to be super interesting, and I'm talking about it here this week, specifically for this reason that I'm going to get into here. I'm, of course, interested in the history of Hollywood, just as I'm interested in music. I'm especially interested in the intersection of Hollywood and true crime, just as I'm interested in the intersection of music history and true crime, which is why a couple years ago I launched a show called Badlands. Now, Badlands looked into the

crimes of actors and actresses for the most part. We did do some episodes that looked into the crimes committed by famous athletes. Badlands was supposed to be a fictional place like Disgraceland for us to discuss any non-music related true crimes, but what we ended up doing is focusing mostly on Hollywood, and again, some on sports. Now hosting that show, hosting Badlands and Disgraceland, it became too much for me to do, pumping out new episodes every week, doing these bonus episodes for two podcasts

and growing both the shows, plus everything else I got going on. It was just a lot in Badlands was being neglected. So we stopped producing new Badlands episodes. Anyways, what happened to those episodes? Those episodes went away, okay? They went out of the feed. They're gone. I get asked all the time from you guys, hey, where'd the badlands episodes go?

Well, we pulled them down for reasons that I'm not going to get into here, but basically we stopped producing episodes of the show, new episodes. And we didn't have any plan at that time to start producing new ones. So that's one of the reasons having that archive of almost 100 plus episodes on Hollywood actors and actresses having those badlands episodes up. It didn't make sense. We took them down. And for some other reasons, again, not going to go into those here. But I am here to tell you right now that a large swath of those Badlands episodes are coming back and they are available for you to listen to right now in the same Badlands feed, but now titled simply Hollywoodland.

Okay? In the Hollywoodland feed right now, you'll be able to hear me talking about the wild lives and true crimes of people like James Dean, Charlie Sheen, Sean Penn, Drew Barrymore, Danny Trejo, Patty Hurst, Mel. Gibson, so many more. And all these Hollywoodland episodes are produced by Double Elvis in the exact same way as Disgraceland. If you're new to Disgraceland, if you've joined this disgrace land community in the last year or so, these Hollywoodland episodes are produced exactly like Disgraceland, me at the helm on the mic, double Elvis production, all the sound design, all the edge of your

seat storytelling you've grown to love. It's all in Hollywood land. It's just a different subject. Okay, it's just, it's just Hollywood and not music. And right now, there's almost 40 episodes available for you to listen to, like I said, in the Hollywoodland feed, formerly Badlands Feed, right now. And every week, we're going to drop another episode from the archive. episodes on David Lynch, Bruce Lee, John Waters, John Belushi, Lindsey Lohan, Robert Downey Jr., so many others, all of them. They're all going to be released in the Hollywoodland feed until eventually nearly all of the hundred previously titled Badlands episodes will be available as Hollywood Land. You're going to get another episode every week.

Right now there's a ton of them available for you. There's like 40 or so available for you to binge. And every week for the rest of the year, you're going to get another episode in the feed. Until eventually we begin releasing new episodes of Hollywoodland, but with a slight modification more on that in the future. But for now, all you've got to know is that beginning this week, right now you can listen to a whole bunch of archive episodes of Badlands,

now titled Hollywoodland, and then in two weeks time, after you've had some time to binge those Hollywoodland episodes, we will begin dropping other Hollywoodland episodes in the feed once a week for you to listen to it. I'm going to be talking about them here in the after party. I'm doing to do a little Hollywoodland segment for you. I'm looking at this whole thing as like a video archive of sorts.

You know, like a 1980s sort of like cable access TV show where some dude has a bunch of VHS is stacked up in his basement and he goes in there and he pulls out one story per week and he talks to his community about them and he tease up that story. That's how I'm going to be approaching this in these Hollywoodland episodes here in the afterparty. I'll be highlighting one per week, and we can talk about them if you want, here or on social media or wherever, and they'll be there for you. As we unleash this entire archive for you, make it all available, and then get into producing new episodes of Hollywoodland. And then eventually our sports episodes that were previously produced and released into the Badlands Moniker will eventually be released in their own sportsland feed. and in a couple weeks, our icon series that we've been doing for the last year, as I mentioned before,

will end in the disgrace land feed. And disgrace land will once again be solely music subjects. So to hear me tell stories about music and true crime, follow disgrace land. If you're not already, get in here, follow disgrace land. To hear me tell stories about Hollywood and true crime, follow Hollywood land. And to hear me tell stories about sports and true crime, keep an eye out for Sportsland. But right now, and I mean right now, pick up your phone and go into whatever podcast player you're currently listening to this episode and search Hollywoodland, then hit that follow or

subscribe button, turn on all auto downloads if you're an Apple podcast listener. And now after you're done listening to this after party, you'll have 40 or so Hollywoodland episodes to binge and you'll be primed for the David Lynch one coming your way along with others every week beginning March 31st and every Monday after that. All right. Announcement complete. Back to disgrace land here in disgrace land. We've got a rewind episode coming out right after this on Sam Cook. And next week, we have an Allison Chains episode for you, okay? When you're listening to the Allison Chains episode, I want you guys to be thinking about your record collection and which Seattle artists, which grunge artists do you find yourself listening to the most? Now, I know we all love Allison Chains.

We all love Nirvana. We all love Pearl Jam. I'll say it. I love Pearl Jam. I don't know why. I have a hard time admitting that. I don't know. Maybe because my wife hates them. She gives me so much shit. I love Soundgarden. Melvin's Mudhoney. So many great Seattle bands. Anyhow, of those great Seattle artists, songwriters, now think of your record collection.

Which one do you go to the most? Are you more of a Pearl Jam person? Are you more of a Soundgarden person? Are you more of an Allison Chains person? Nirvana. Who? Who are you still listening to? I, for one, probably think Nirvana is the most important Seattle.

band to come out of that area out of the grunge era. Kurt Cobain was obviously an incredible songwriter. For some reason, however, even though I give them more importance historically than any of these other artists and they're sort of bigger in my head, Nirvana is and Kurt is as a songwriter, I don't listen to them nearly as much as I listen to Soundgarden. for me of all these artists it's sound garden that i listened to the most and just by the way side note i saw a little clip of uh the melvins on on x the other night uh playing a black sabb song from 1994 and it just reminded me of how fucking incredible that band is anyhow's i want to know which seattle band that's going

to be the question of the week next next week which seattle band do you go back to and listen to the most still to now to right now okay we had a great caller a couple weeks ago talking about She's from Seattle talking about how the Seattle artist didn't speak to her at all. She was listening to you too back in the day. I thought that was fantastic. But the question of the week when you get that Allison Chain's episode coming your way is going to be which Seattle artist do you find yourself still listening to the most of all of them. Who is it?

All right. I'll take a quick break back in a flash. All right, we are back. And just a quick reminder to make sure you Apple podcast listeners have auto downloads turned on so you're not missing any episodes. All right. 617-906-66-38 to leave me a voicemail or send me a text or DM me at Disgracelam pod. Last week, the question of the week was, in anticipation of this George Michael episode that we were releasing, we asked which of those 80s MTV icons resonated with you the most?

Which did you like the most? Which hit you the most as a kid? And let's listen to this voicemail from Johnny and the 617. Hey, what's up, Jake? Johnny Vinyl here. responding to my favorite video stars of the early 80s MTV era, easily Duran Duran. Their first album, they had those, like, you know, weird, dark, gloomy videos,

except for girls on film, which was very sexual, so sexual, in fact, that it actually got banned from MTV and replaced by another video, another version that was much lighter. And then, of course, them having the three big hits off. of the Rio album, which is Rio Save Like a Prayer and Hungry Like the Wolf, all filmed in Sri Lanka on the really, really hot

you know, the hot surface of the sand and all the guys were, you know, getting close to having heat stroke and whatnot, made those incredible videos. And then, of course, the next album, Seven and the Ragged Tiger, very James Bond vibe videos.

They were very good at being thematic with their videos depending upon which album, but Yeah, definitely Duran Duran in the early 80s. That's my take. Take it easy, buddy. Johnny, it's funny you mentioned Duran Duran for two reasons. One, I was watching White Lotus last night,

and I noticed that there's an actress on White Lotus name, Charlene LeBond. And I said to myself, I wonder if that's Simon LeBond's daughter. How many LeBon's are there? I've never heard of a LeBon besides Simon LeBon. And I completely forgot about it until I get into recording this episode this morning, which I'm recording early because I'm traveling to New York this week. But anyhow, Duran Duran, what I got to say probably, yeah, for me, definitely one of the first.

I actually bought Rio on vinyl as a little kid. I was so into those videos. They freaked me out. Something about the animalism of it all. The rock and roll animal thing. Maybe that's it. But yeah, I hear you, Duran Duran. And now that I'm older, I have, you know, I was into them as a kid, like a real little kid.

And then just completely never gave them any thought. as an adolescent or a young adult. But when I hear Duran Duran Duran song now, man, I bumped that shit. I love it. Those classic 80s Duran Duran songs are fantastic. And I think there's actually a great Duran Duran Duran Disgrace on episode somewhere, somewhere, to be told at some point. So, Johnny, appreciate you.

Let's check in with Heidi in the 838. Your bonus up, photos. Okay, Cindy Lopper and Henry Rollins, thank you for reminding me of that. Also, Cindy Lopper, of course. I mean, you just mentioned 80s MTV, and she's probably the first one. that springs to mind. Cindy Lopper, of course, known as the mainstream pop video artist that she was.

But, you know, she came from New York. She came sort of from that punk scene, that avant-garde scene in New York in the early 80s, late 70s, early 80s. Her covering Rise Above, a Black Flag with Henry Rollins is surprising on the surface, but not if you know the history of Cindy Lopper. We get into Cindy Lopper a little bit in our cramps episode. You guys should check that out if you haven't. I just want to say I've been seeing these Henry Rollins clips, interview clips from the 90s pop up in my feeds. And there's one, I think I might have mentioned this before,

there's one with Kennedy from the 90s and the sexual tension between Henry Rollins and Kennedy is you can see it. You can feel it. It is so prevalent. There's no way they didn't have sex. after watching this interview, you're just like, wow, they fucked. It's incredible.

I just sort of like filed that away as, wow, that was interesting. You'd probably never see that nowadays. Then the other day, another interview came up. I'm not sure if it was MTV. It looked like an MTV set. It was definitely from the 90s. It's Henry Rollins talking largely about Green Day and their massive success at the time. It's right around the time of their first album.

When was that? 94, 93, something like that? the first major label album. And that's what the interview's about. I don't recognize the interviewers, but that doesn't mean it's not MTV. It could be like much music or something. I'm not sure. Anyhow, they talk about the artist. They talk about like young pop starlets and they talk about brandy. And someone mentions that she's too young. And Henry Rollins almost says she's not too young for me. it's really, really like on the edge. It's really something.

And if you know Rollins, he's super charismatic in these interviews. And you can tell he's relishing and just how the interview is going and the hold he has on the folks who are interviewing him. And almost that feeling of like he can say anything, you know, like it's just the chemistry between the interviewer and the interview is so there. It's like just boom, boom, boom, snap. Now, I don't mean to insinuate that Rollins was suggesting that he likes sex with underage girls or anything like that. I think his wit, perhaps, and his quickness, verbal quickness was getting ahead of his brain. My point, however, is that that would never happen today. It would never fly today, of course, and for good reason.

But it was just interesting to see how dated the 90s? now are becoming. It was really interesting. Check that interview up if you can or just, I don't know, Google Rollins and comments on Green Day. Maybe that interview will come up. I love Rollins, by the way. I'm not judging Rollins.

I'm just saying. I'm judging the time more than anything else. Anyhow, I didn't mean to go down that Henry Rollins tangent there. Thanks, Heidi. Appreciate you. Play the 410, Matt. Let's listen to this one on YouTube. Hey, Jake.

It's Craig from Baltimore. My favorite Irish band, have to be you two is my first formal concert. experience, August 16th, 1991, a 16-year-old kid in the middle of the field at RFK Stadium. Magic getting to see you two. The hype, probably their popularity, touring the Zoo TV tour after their Optim baby album, which was kind of their experimental album. But it really grew in me, and I was a 16-year-old kid in the crowd of 50,000 people on the

field at RFK Stadium, so it couldn't start off with a better show than that. Ben Lizzie has grown on me though because my favorite current band, the old setty, plays them as their walkout song, boys are back in town, or jailbreak for their massive nights, Brooklyn residencies they do every year. So great show. Love it. Thanks a lot.

410. Thanks for the message. Thanks for the voicemail, Craig. Of course, we're playing this one to you guys because we just, like I think I mentioned earlier in this episode, we had a rewind episode recently on U2. If you haven't heard it, go check that out. Craig, seeing you two in 90,

my god that's that's huge there's a lot of great eras to see you two in you know you could earlier they did that club run in the beginning we were all too young for that um but seeing them in 91 would be that's prime era like you said was zoo zoo tour which i didn't love i didn't love that sort of imagery and all that octong baby of course i love it all more now that seems to be a familiar theme i think i'm mentioning that almost every every episode now of how i i like things i used to do dislike. But yeah, at RFK Stadium as well, amazing. And I love the hold steady thin Lizzie connection as well. Very cool. All right, guys, you want to leave me a voicemail? You want to send me a text on anything. Question of the week. Next week is going to be on your favorite Seattle grunge

songwriters slash artist 617-906666638. That's how you text me as well. Let's do some text right now. This one comes from the 614. Hey, Jake, Sammy from the 614, huge fan of the podcast. have been listening for years. In light of the holiday weekend, he's referencing St. Patrick's Day. One of my favorite bands from Ireland is Gaelic Storm from Galway. They're a fun combination of traditional fiddle pub tunes and modern S. Pop. And they come every year to our Irish festival in August. Fortunately, unfortunately, they are getting so popular, it's hard to get close to the tent to see them. So I try to catch their shows at the Newport whenever they are in town.

Again, love the show and can't wait to hear what stories you have in store for the loyal fans. Thanks for everything. Rock-a-Rola. that's from the 614. All right, I got to check out Gaelic Storm. I love that. I love when I get a recommendation. I have no idea about, and that's, I've never heard a Gaelic Storm. I'm stoked to hear it. 304 writes in, hey, requesting a Hazel Atkins episode. Crazy stories there. You are requesting 304 and you shall receive. We will do a Hazel Atkins episode at some point. I promise you, 253 writes in Old Mandez from Washington State, my favorite Irish band, House of Pain. Jump around, baby. Yes, I realize they are on a rock band.

but an influential group nonetheless. They are not a rock band. They are influential. And they are Irish, though they're not from Ireland. I don't believe, unless I'm missing something. And I don't know much about House of Pain. Saw him on that first tour, though, with rage against the machine opening up.

How about that? At the ICA in Boston, tiny little place. It's awesome. 573 writes in some kind words. Thank you, 573. I'm blushing, so I'm not going to read your text, but I appreciate it. 617-9066638. if you want to leave me a voicemail.

You can DM me as well at Disgraceland Pod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook. Miranda G. Gilliam writes in Pussy Riot. You need to do an episode on Pussy Riot. They dare to stand up to Putin and they lost yet they have stories to tell about prisons, rebellion, and female advocacy in the spirit of rock and roll rebellion. They definitely check that metaphorical box. Just a thought. Love the podcast.

Miranda. Love your suggestion. We'll do an episode on Pussy Riot at some point. Linda Nolan writes in. a little note that I should be reading the Rick Rubin book and that he narrates it on Spotify. And I haven't read this book yet and I need to. I think I own it. I think someone gave it to me.

I think it's in a box of books that I haven't unpacked yet. And I'm also fascinated by Rick Rubin. Every time a quote of his flashes across the feed, I'm interested in what that guy's got to say. So thank you, Linda, for reminding me that. Over on Facebook, and I apologize in advance if I mess up the pronunciation. of this last name. Anthony De Petrontonio, De Petrientoneo, De Pietrtonio.

I don't know, Anthony, I'm sorry, but Anthony writes an Irish blues man, rocker, unsung 70s, guitar god, Rory Gallagher from Anthony D. in Cambridge. You know, I got to admit, I got a blind spot. I got blind ears when it comes to Rory Gallagher, and I got to get into it. Where do I start, Anthony?

Hit me back. Give me a good recommendation. A place to start with Rory Gallagher, okay? I want to know. Derek Sterk, Derek Sterke on Facebook writes, Hey Jake, caught the comments about Peter Frampton playing for David Bowie. I didn't realize that it was not general knowledge. I saw the L.A. stop on Glass Spiders Tour and was thrilled to see Frampton alongside Bowie. Here's one light article on the tour.

Thanks, Derek. Appreciate that. We were talking about that a couple episodes back. You guys don't miss anything. I like that about you, among many other things. This is something that caught my eye on X from Hair Metal Messiah. It has nothing to do with disgrace and other than the fact that we talked about this, that we did an episode on this artist. And I just want to read this.

It's from last week, and it says it's about ACDC. And it sums up ACDC in a way that I wish I had summed this up in my episode. Again, this is from Hair Metal Messiah. ACDC's Highway to Hell isn't just an album. It's a goddamn prophecy. In 1979, while the rest of the world was fumbling around with disco and soft rock, These maniacs were writing the blueprint for every hard rock and metal band today. Bond Scott sounds like he gargled glass, lit a cigarette, and chased it with a warm six-pack,

while Angus Young shreds beating around the bush and walk all over you like a possessed madman, cranking out riffs hotter than hell itself. Every song is a fist to the face, a boot to the teeth, and a middle finger to convention. This record was decades ahead of its time, and if you, you don't feel it, go buy a Bee Gees album, light a lavender candle and cry yourself to sleep. You know, aside from all the sort of like tough guy boasting in that tweet, the thing that I like about it is that it talks about Highway to Hell in its place and time. And it's true. It was ahead of its time. And I don't think of it that way because Highway to Hell have become, it's so huge.

It's such a huge classic rock song now. And I also don't think of that album as the great banger that it is where they're like like the person who tweeted that says there's not a bad song on it every song on that album just crushes it um and uh yeah i just i saw that i thought it was interesting wanted to read it to you guys and again we got that acdc episode in our archive if you are interested all right i'm going to take a quick break i'll be back in a flash you guys you can hit me up you can text me you can send me a voicemail 617 90666638 you can direct message me at this graceland pod on Instagram X or Facebook. Back in Flash.

All right, we are back at Disgraceland Pod on the DM 617-90666-66-36-36-3-8 voicemail and text. Reminding you guys, search out Hollywoodland in your podcast player. Follow that podcast and start binging our Hollywoodland podcast hosted by me, produced by Double Elvis. We're getting our whole archive out there for you. You can email me, DiscracelandPod, at gmail.com. what you think of those episodes, or you can email me and talk about whatever else you want to talk about. This Rory Gallagher thing is really, really picked up.

Got a lot of emails on it. Got a lot of DMs. Greg Plas writes in, Hey, Jake, fantastic show. Greg Plas also answers the question I asked in the last block. My number one Irish musician is Rory Gallagher, possibly my favorite guitar player of all time, depending on what mood I'm in that day.

Irish tour 74. Well, I'm Irish, and 74 was a damn good year if you're me. It's an absolute classic. Keep up the great work, my friend, Greg. Greg, I appreciate it. it. Craig, I'm going to bump that today when I'm working out. I'm going to go for Irish Tourist 74. Rory Gallagher. Disgraceampot at gmail.com. You guys want to get in touch about anything else. Knox Bronson writes in, hey, loved your episode on Zeppelin, especially the part about

David Bowie. I didn't realize that White Stains was an Alistair Crowley book. As name checked and station to station, in a 1975 interview, Bowie said something to the effect of, I'm not evil, Alice Cooper isn't evil, Lou isn't evil, but there are evil bands. Just look at Led Zeppelin. This is a fascinating topic to me. Thank you, Knox Bronson. David Bowie's fear of Jimmy Page and the power, the dark, evil power that he felt that Led Zeppelin possessed, that story never gets old to me. And not a lot has been said about it. Not enough, I should say, has been said about it. I certainly said my piece, but I wasn't there. I can only say what others have said and I can only contextualize it in the larger story as I see it.

Now, I did not see any of this evil evident in the recent Led Zeppelin documentary, which I loved, but which, you know, I think I mentioned here, I did have my, I did have issues with it. I wanted it to be so much more. And this was not represented in any way. And I don't mean, I get why Jimmy Page doesn't want people talking about him and Alistair Crowley living in his house and the black dog and all that stuff. We're doing cocaine and scaring the shit out of Jimmy Page. But, you know, we're completely missing the point of Led Zeppelin. If we gloss past the part of their history that is that darkness and what it represented

and how somebody like David Bowie was legitimately scared of Jimmy Page, fascinating stuff. Thank you, Doc Bronson, for reminding me of that. Disgracedlandpod at gmail.com. This one comes from Shane. Schmitt. Subject, we need the anti-flag story. Message. I'm a long-time listener and a huge fan of the show, and up until now I never really had a reason to write in, much like Jake. I'm an old punk from the 90s with a true love for all forms of music and am fascinated by its history, as ugly as the stories may be at times. So imagine the surprise I felt a few weeks ago when I was reading up on one of my

favorite bands and discovered they had broken up due to the horrible actions of and allegations against Justin Sane and, to a lesser degree, his band, anti-flag. A band whose genre is meant to be a safe haven and who always claim to stand for equality, human rights, and claim to be feminist, forced to disband and see their frontman, flee the country due to allegations of sexual assault, grooming and statutory rape. Now, that's a true disgrace. need this story to be told. Anyways, please keep up the great work and forgive my rambling. I do that when I'm nervous. Thank you. Shane Schmidt. Shane, you know, this story crossed my view. And I thought about

it and I'm still thinking about it. And I looked into it a tinty, tinty bit. I'll look into it more. But my first inclination is that this story hasn't yet resolved. There's still more to come out. It's tough for me to get into the middle of an ongoing story as I'm experiencing now with this whole ditty thing, which has turned out to be a huge pain in my ass, if I'm being perfectly honest with you, trying to keep up with everything that's all the truth, all the conjecture, the transgressions that are real, the transgressions that are fiction. I can't wait for this ditty trial to actually start so there can be a punctuation point at the end of this story and I can cover it in some finality and tell you exactly what happened and all the drama behind it. Anti-flag, I feel like it's not

completely told yet, but I will get into it once. I feel. feel like more of the story has settled. I promise you that. Disgraceampot at gmail.com. If you guys have any other suggestions on stories, I just want to rant about anything else. Dane Zerby writes in from last week, hey, Jake, longtime listener,

I thoroughly enjoyed your badlands feed. Is there a way that I can access all of the episodes? Listen, Dan. Listen, yes, there is a way. Go to your podcast player right now, Dan, and search Hollywoodland, okay? And you're going to get, I believe it's 39.

perhaps 40 episodes of Hollywoodland, which are formerly Badlands episodes, right there. You can access them. You can check them out and then make sure you're following Hollywoodland. And every week, okay, you're going to get a new piece of Hollywood land content, a new episode from that archive. And eventually, Dan, you will get new Hollywoodland episodes, okay? That goes for everybody. Search and follow Hollywoodland.

And, you know, leave a review for the show as well. If you like it, if you like what you're hearing, leave a review for Hollywoodland, okay? let the people know. Help us out with the discovery, just like you do with disgrace land. It's important. It's why I talk about it every single week. It's why I feature one reviewer of disgrace land. I read your review here on the show. And if you hear me read your review and you hit me up, disgraceland pot at gmail.com, or you hit me up on the social. You hit me up anywhere. Get in touch. I'll get your address from you and I'll send you some free merch. This one comes from MoLight Sound, Thin,

Lizzie Ultra five stars. Thin Lizzie episode is everything that is great about disgrace land, everything that is great about rock and roll. The kids know it's dangerous. Ha, we always knew. Great show, Amigo. You got it, Mo Lights Sound. Molyte Sound. Get in touch. We'll get you some free merch. I'm going to read this other one here too. One is not enough. I'm not making the shit up. That's what the title of this review is. One is not enough five stars. Jake, Mom on 94 from the 225. My husband and I love your show. We could listen to you all day. In some days I do just that. I tell everyone about the Super Cat with all the tea. I like to let a few of these episodes pile up and then listen because one is not enough.

Well, listen, Ma Ma'amaw 94. I may have read this review before, but Ma'amaw 94, listen, I'm reading it again because we have a whole bunch of episodes that are piled up now in the Hollywoodland feed. And those are for you to listen to. All right, over on Spotify, Troy Tri Tripp. This is not a review, but it's a comment. And I like it because I don't understand it. And I'm going to read it anyways. Troy Tripp writes in in response to the Dinnlizzi.

episode, St. Paddy's Day episode, more like an April Fool's Day episode. We all know Jake hates Thin Lizzie. I don't hate Thin Lizzie, never hate it, Thin Lizzie. Pretty much I've always loved Thin Lizzie. I don't, I still, to this day, don't know where this notion comes from from you guys that I dislike Thin Lizzie. I thought producing this episode on Thin Lizzie, we'll put that to bed, but it has not. Talk about misinformation. Talk about conspiracy theories. jeesh. All right. You know, it's not a conspiracy. You know, it's not misinformation.

The fact that this episode is unfortunately nearing its end. But the after party continues for you guys. If you're an All Access member, you're going to get more. You're going to get a little bit more of this bonus episode just for you. You're also going to get ad-free listening. We're selling a lot of ads lately, just telling you. A lot of ads. We're selling a lot of ads.

You're going to get ad-free listening if you sign out to become an All-access member. It's only five bucks a month. And you're going to get an extra episode like the Stevie Ray Vaughn episode that we just released. Got a slip-knod episode coming up this month. You're going to get those extra episodes in your all-access feed. Go to disgracelandpod.com slash membership to become an all-access member today. And like I said, it's $5 a month. $5 a month.

That's it. Add free listening. Damn, right. Extra episode. It's pretty good. Disgraceampod. com slash membership. All right, we are back.

I didn't really mention you too that much in this episode. We did have a rewind episode. on YouTube. A lot of great comments from you guys. Really appreciate it. Thank you for reaching out. As always, we discussed a ton of artists in this bonus episode who are featured in archive episodes of disgrace land, ACDC, David Bowie, Arrow Smith, Madonna, Beastie Boys, Wu Tang. We did a whole season on Wu Tang. Matt will have episode information in the show notes of this bonus episode. If you guys want to seek out any of those subjects who are in our archive, we have over, I think, 225 plus episodes right now. If you're new to the show, I'm telling you, man, lots of episodes in the archive.

Get in there. Get listening. Hit me up 617-906666-638 voicemail text at Disgracelandpod on the socials. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com on email. Let me know what you think of these archive episodes. And guys, as always, I want your requests. I want your suggestions. I want your recommendations on the subjects I should be covering. Okay. All right, let's recap. Number one, Badlands is now Hollywood And archive episodes on the subject of Hollywood and true crime are now available in the Hollywoodland feed. Search and follow Hollywoodland on the Odyssey app or wherever you listen to podcasts, Iheart, Apple, podcast, Spotify. Please just search Hollywoodland.

Give it a follow and get a binging. Number two, right now in your disgrace land episode, our new episode on George Michael. Number three, coming tomorrow, our rewind episode on Sam Cook. And number four, merch winners, get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember no one cares about preserving the true spirit or rock and roll more than you doing. Well, that's a disgrace.

All right, in honor of this week's subject, George Michael, I give to you the Billboard charts from Christmas Day 2016, the day the Greek god of careless whispers passed away. Number one, Black Beatles, Ray Sremur featuring Gucci Main. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 13. Number two, Starboy, the weekend featuring Daft Punk. Last week, two. Peak position, two, weeks on chart, 12.

Number three, closer. The chain smokers featuring Halsey. Last week, three, peak position, one, weeks on chart, 19. Number four, 24K Magic, Bruno Mars, last week, five, peak position, four, weeks on chart, nine. Number five, side to side, Ariana Grande featuring Nicky Minaj. Last week four, peak position four weeks on chart. 14, number six, juju on that beat, TZ, and the day. And start mixing.

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