DISGRACELAND - Bonus: The Next Incel Killer Already Has A Playlist

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

This episode is being published for the first time on Friday, November 7th. An episode of the same title was mistakenly published previously. The media blamed AC/DC for inspiring a serial killer. Rebecca Shaefer’s murderer claimed inspiration from a U2 song. When the next incel murder happens, will we blame Morrissey? Radiohead? Or will we finally learn our lesson and treat the music as a mirror, and not a weapon? This topic, along with your voicemails, texts, and emails, and in the All Access portion, Jake and Zeth look into one of the weirdest social phenomena, “The My Way Killings,” where, for some reason, this mega Frank Sinatra hit has triggered numerous murders in the Philippines. You can become an All Access member and hear this and more exclusive content, along with ad-free listening of all Disgraceland episodes, by going to disgracelandpod.com and signing up via Patreon or Apple Podcasts. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, discos, need a little more disgrace land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show, after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of disgrace land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story.

On this bonus episode, we're talking about music that the in-cell movement loves. What? We're digging into the greatest rock and roll records of all time, thanks to our new episode on ACDC, Rewinding back to you two and the murder of Rebecca Schaefer, previewing next week's new episode on Fish, and we get into your voicemails, text, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie.

This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told. The kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it. In 1985, they blamed ACDC for inspiring, serial killer Richard Ramirez. In 1989, actress Rebecca Schaefer's murderer, Robert John

Bardo, claimed you two compelled him to kill. In 2018, Scott Borelli walked into a Florida yoga studio and shot and killed two women, wounding several others before taking his own life. Music has always been an easy scapegoat, but it's never the songs. It's always who these killers already were. Scott Borelli was an in-cell, part of a group of involuntarily celibate men. Young, aggrieved dudes who believe the women who reject them and the more traditionally masculine men who outshine them exist to keep them down. This is also a group whose members have killed before and will kill again. And it's a group that loves music. Jazzy Lupido 988, M3 Me's, Ciz, Cesar with 1C and a Z.

These are the online usernames for the creators of Spotify InCEL playlist with titles like InCEL Virgin LoserCore, chronically online autistic 4chan suicidal, and real older brother niche weird kid incel indie underground loser core. If there's one theme that ties the songs on these playlist together, It's isolation. Songs like Just by Radiohead. Scott Pilgrim versus the world ruined a whole generation of women by negative XP.

In the aeroplane by the sea by Neutral Milk Hotel. And an excellent and bat-shit crazy cover of Dion's 1959 hit, Teenager in Love, by Birdbath. The music is angsty and irreverent and lives on the nerdier side of the street. More Rivers Cuomo and less Kirk Cote. Cobain and lots and lots of Morrissey. The Smiths occupy a special place in InCell music playlist culture.

There are entire InCell playlist dedicated to tunes penned by Stephen Patrick Morrissey and Johnny Marr, and it makes sense. A few bands in the last 50 years have better captured despair in alienation, and not to mention the fact that Morrissey, for much of his career, publicly identified as celibate. When Incell, Scott Borrelli killed two women and injured five others before taking his own life in a Tallahassee hot yoga studio, he did so after posting his own music online. Angry, sneering, hostile songs, not metal, not hardcore rap, but instead, lo-fi rejection rock. Rage turned inward, not dissimilar from Radiohead or The Smiths or, well, most of the music populating the Incell. playlist online universe. I'm not suggesting music played a part in Scott Borelli's motivation, nor am I blaming musicians for inspiring incels to murder, but it's only a matter of time before

someone does. The 2018 Toronto van attack, where a self-described in cell murdered 11 in an effort to incite a so-called incal rebellion, the 2014 Isle of Vista killings when a 22-year-old man murdered six and injured 14 others in an attempt to punish women who rejected him and the sexually active men he believed humiliated him. These are just two of what are numerous examples of in-cell killings. Eventually, there will be more. Murder committed by young men who are chronically online, detached from reality and obsessing over music. Algorithms now feed grievance faster than ever. music like politics and religion is just another on-ramp for the aggrieved for those who Paul Schrader and Thomas Wolfe once called God's Lonely Man. It turns out the modern version of

God's Lonely Man has pretty good taste in music, just like Richard Ramirez, who envisioned himself as the killer in ACDC's night prowler and Robert John Bardot who was obsessed with U2's exit. But music isn't the murder weapon. Music is the mirror. ACDC's night prowler wasn't a command. When Bon Scott whispered about slipping into someone's room after dark, he was setting fictional pulp horror lyrics over a menacing beat. Richard Ramirez didn't hear instructions on how to kill.

He felt recognition. God's lonely man felt seen. U2's exit did the same. it did the same for Robert John Bardo. Bono wrote the tune as a character study of a man undone by violence and faith, a spiritual collapse, but to Bardo, a mentally ill man obsessed with fame, all he heard was a soundtrack to his own delusion. The same dynamic is at play with modern in-cell music. These playlists don't inspire violence. They reflect it. They echo the delusions of the men obsessing over them. The music isn't radicalizing them. It's a littleizing them.

It's validating their despair. Again, the music is the mirror, not the weapon. The problems consuming the in-cell community go much deeper than music. These are young men raised online, coddled and medicated as children, brought up in low to no-stake social environments, and who are helplessly unequipped to function in the real world. Outcasts. As alienated as the musicians whose songs fill their playlists.

It's only a matter of time before they kill them. again. And when they do, people will eventually point to in-cell music as a scapegoat and smash the mirror instead of looking into what it shows us. And that will be a disgrace. I'll be back after this with your calls, texts, voicemails, and more. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends,

Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care, so they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed. I will be his last target. He's going to get what he deserves.

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All right, we are back. And speaking of the question about music inspiring death and destruction, we're going to set our sights away from the dark corners of the in-cell internet and to the Philippines for a little peeling back of the onion of the my way killings. These are the murders inspired by Frank Sinatra's My Way Toon. You know, that makes sense. This might be the weirdest social phenomenon that I've ever heard of. This is the thing where numerous people in the Philippines were killed in connection to their performance of the song in karaoke bars. Zeth and I knew very little about this until recently, and we're going to unpack this wild story in today's exclusive portion of this here after party, which you can hear by becoming an all-access member of Disgraceland for just five bucks a month. You get additional exclusive content like this, ad free listening and more.

Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up for prices go up at the end of this month. All right. So I landed on this in-cell playlist topic earlier because this week in Disgraceland, we launched our ACDC Part 2 episode along with rewinding our Part 1 story. And that story deals with the band being blamed for inspiring Richard Ramirez, the serial killer. And our rewind episode this week is on YouTube. and with that episode, we have more killer inspiration with Robert John Bardo and the Rebecca Schaefer murder. That U2 episode will be available in tomorrow's Rewind Spot coming up right after

this episode. Lots of music this week, supposedly inspiring murder. But I'm done talking about that. Okay. I want to talk about a theme that we hit on in our new episode, our new ACDC episode this week. Great rock and roll records. The greatest rock and roll records. This question, was prompted, of course, because ACDC's album Back and Black was for a minute there, the greatest selling album of all time, not just the greatest selling rock record of all time, the greatest selling album of all time. A couple years later, Michael Jackson's thriller came along and topped it, but still, back in black, still sitting there in the number two spot. So that prompted our question, what's the greatest rock and roll record of all time?

We're going to hear your answers here. And I got to, got to say, pretty surprised by the consensus from you guys, semi-consensus from you guys on this topic. Going to give you my answer after we hear from you guys, vastly different from where you're coming from. Well, let's, without further ado, let's check out Jr. in the 714. Hey, Jake, this is Jr. from the 714. and I believe

and this is just me the greatest rock album of all time is David Bowie Ziggie Stardust and the spiders from Mars it's like a visual for your brain just perfectly constructed and a perfect

perfect story of the fallen rock star it has rock and roll it has your power ballads it has your tragic end and just can be played over and over and I could never get tired of it. Well, thank you for what you're doing. You are

freaking awesome. Greatest storyteller ever. Have a good one, Jake. Talk to you later. Junior, thanks for the call. I love the Ziggy Star Dust album, and I love this answer. I love it. I get the visual component here, the little theater of the mind that's going on, the theatrics, I should say, the narrative, all of it. It's tremendous storytelling in this record. There's ballads. It's a super dynamic sounding album. I love this choice. I wouldn't have thought of this on my own. It's not my choice, but I fully understand, Jr., why you're picking this. And you have some company. Let's hear what the 911 has to say. Hi, Jake. This is Mr. Taylor from Raleigh, North Carolina calling to answer the question from last week, greatest album of all time, no skips.

And this is a tough one in its simplicity, as you said. You know, as a kid grown up in the late 80s and 90s, born to boomer parents who love music, but when I came into this world, they gave me this sense that all of it had been decided, that the Beatles were the greatest band of all time, and there was no discussion about it, that all the greatest music had already been made. So as a kid, discovering music myself, I kind of took offense to this idea, and it took me a long time to come around to it. You know, it's like kids these days being told that Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player,

of all time. I get the pushback. I mean, obviously they're wrong. MJ's the man. But when I was coming up as a kid, it took me a long time to get to some of these great albums. But when I got into my 20s, I went back with fresh eyes and ears.

And I listened to some of them, and I came to the conclusion that David Bowies, Ziggie Star Dust is probably, if not the greatest, start-to-finish album of all time. I mean, there are no skips. It is a concept album, but every single song is an,

absolute banger. It's starting with five years. Obviously, moon age daydream, Ziggy Star Dice, rock and roll suicide. The album starts and finishes in the same way with absolute searing rock. Nick Ronson's guitar is undeniable. David Bowie is in his element, the greatest album he's ever made, the greatest character he's ever purveyed, and it is, in my opinion, the greatest album, from start to finish, no skips that has ever been recorded. That's my piece. Thanks a lot. Rockerola.

All right, before I get into your answer, 916, I totally relate to the offense you take at the, Hey, everything's been figured out for you, man. Don't worry about it. We already decided what the greatest records are. Basically, every fucking music documentary pre-1999 about the history of music or, you know, the history of social culture in America. Anyhow, I love that we have another entry here for Ziggy Stardust coming from the 916. It's fantastic.

And this album strikes a chord clearly. You mentioned that it's a concept album. It transcends the concept album, I think. It's just because the song's on it. I don't think Ziggy is a concept album. I know that sounds crazy. It's clearly defined as such. But it just has such great single song bangers on it that are undeniable.

that can be heard anywhere. You mentioned a bunch of them, I'm not going to belabor it, but just fantastic. And, oh, by the way, yes, Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time. They got that one right. All right, let's check out the,

on this topic, more on this topic. Let's go to the text machine. And I want to read this text from the 470. Dave from Georgia. Dave wants to go ahead and just let us know that he's nominating tools, Enema, and I can't argue with you. I mean, I could, but I won't.

I get it. I get it. You're going to listen to this forever. That's what you're telling us, Dave, and you have every right, too. It's an awesome record. I don't quite think that it is, oh, who am I to say? A lot of people love Tool. I overlook the Tool fans. I shouldn't. You guys are Legion. We talked about this before, particularly around the gender splits in Tool fandom. And I heard loud and clear from you guys. So Dave, I appreciate this. 470. Dave is nominating Tools Enema as the greatest rock record. Let's check out for something different here. The 310 who writes in the one rock album, if I could only ever listen to one album again, says the 310, would be Rolling Stone sticky fingers, best album by one of the best bands that defines rock and is my go-to when I can't select through all the many records on the shelves. So in some ways, already is my one record to rule them all. That's from Joe in the 310. Joe, I hear you. It's a great one. It's my, I guess it's my second favorite Stones album.

Exile being my first. Exile being, you know, there's a handful of double albums in the history of rock and roll that are truly great. And exile to me is one, if not the greatest. I don't know. I think I like it more than the White album. I do. I definitely do. But it's not my favorite rock record.

We'll get to that in a minute. 724 writes in, hey, Jake, it's Anthony. as I listen at my job as an insurance accountant to get through the day, you asked for the best no-skip album. And if I had to say one for my generation, I'm 33, I'd pick American Idiot. Genuinely Solid Start to Finish, that's the Green Day album, American Idiot from the 724, Anthony and the 724, who goes on to say, though my personal favorite no-skip that probably won't count is Allison Chain's jar of flies. E.P. You're right. It doesn't count. It's an EP. It's definitely no skip, though. Love it. It's my favorite Alice in Chains too, by the way. Good health to you and yours and later days from the

724. Appreciate you 724. Before we move on from this topic, my favorite rock and roll album is not ACDC's back in black, but it is an ACDC album. And I mention it in, I think, both are ACDC episodes. It's powerage. It's just incredible. For an ACDC album, it's pretty dynamic. For a rock and roll record, not that dynamic. It kind of delivers over and over again on the same vibe all throughout and that is just a dirty ass rock and roll band that i imagine would just just destroy your night in the best possible way where you to just stumble upon them playing those tunes in a little bar back in the 1970s i can't get enough of this album i've never gotten sick of it it defines the band for me it defines rock and roll for me and if you want to break down of exactly what i mean you can listen

to the go back and listen to the first ac bc episode i get into it pretty pretty pretty pretty thickly. But yeah, that's my choice. It's, it kind of defies the criterion I set up earlier in the last episode when I asked this question. I guess it's not, it's not that dynamic, like I said. It's not that varied. It kind of does one thing, but I don't know. Like I said, I just fucking love it. I love it. And I can listen to it forever. So there you go. Boring answer from me, boring, I know, not as, not as thoughtful as the Ziggy Stardust answer. But what can I say you guys are more thoughtful for me? Speaking of which, let's check out this text from the 2-28 who writes,

Hey, Discos, this is Michelle with 1L, and I'm reaching out to tell you what I'm watching right now. I did watch Black Rabbit, which I thought was really good. And I finished watching The Monster with Ed Gein, the Ed Gein story. But the one that I'm most excited to tell you about is called Ratchet. It's a really, really great movie, and the nurse is in it. based on the nurse and one flew over the cuckoo's nest. Dang. That's fantastic.

As I read this, I'm piecing together that this is actually a message for Zeth, but I don't care. Michelle with 1L, you get a little love here in disgrace land, as I'm sure you're going to get it in Hollywoodland as well. Michelle includes a picture of, well, part of herself in front of the mirror. And she says here, I've included a picture of my mirror. where I jot down things that y'all tell me I need to watch or listen to or whatever. And there's some marker notes all over. Michelle with one L's mirror here. And it looks like I can see your robe there.

I'm going to stop it there, Michelle. Thank you for the message. We appreciate it. Guys, 617-90666-36-3-8. You want to get in touch? Want to talk about whatever? Go for it. I'm here.

And I will continue to be here next week when our long-aw-aw-aw-aw-wage. when our long-awaited new episode on Matt, give me a drum roll. Drum roll, please, as they say, in the biz, that biz being show business, give it to a Matt. Stretch it out, man. Make it count. Come on, build up the anticipation. Our next episode is on the fish. Excuse me.

I mean fish. Not the fish. What am I saying? Fish. Anyway, when listening to this new fish episode, I would like you guys to be thinking about what music y'all like to listen to when you're, you know, stoned, high, gummed up, perhaps flying on a few cocktails, as they say. What are you kicking back to and putting on the stereo when you're unwinding with perhaps,

I don't know, some of the stuff that Trey got into, some of the not-so-adult stuff, some of the more recreational fun stuff that doesn't kill you? What music do you like to listen to? what records do you like to listen to when you're, you know, under the influence? That's the question. That's going to be our question of the week next week in honor of the fish. I mean, fish, excuse me, call me 617-90666-6638. Text me, leave me a voicemail, hit me up on the socials at Disgraceland Pod

and let me know you might hear your answer right here in the after party. All right, I'll be back in a flash. There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And Rule 2, never mess with her friends either. We always say that, trust your girlfriends. I'm Anna Sinfield, and in this new season of the girlfriends...

Oh my God, this is the same man. A group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, how could this happen to me? The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. I said, oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target.

He's going to get what he deserves. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea, with me, Chelsea Handler, we have some fantastic guests like Amelia Clark. When, like, young people come up to me

and they want to be an actor or whatever, and my first thing is always, can you think of anything else that you can do. Rather be. Because-pointed in. Do that. Dennis Leary. I wake up and I'm hitting him in the head with a water bomb.

And Bruce Jenner is on the aisle in a karate stance. Like he's about to attack me. Like, making karate noises. And his entire, the Kardashian family over there, everybody's going, and the air marshal is trying to grab my arms and screaming. I immediately know that I've been asleep walking. David O'Yellow-O. I love this podcast.

Whether it's therapy. or relationships or religion or sex or addiction or you just go straight for the guts. Guy Branham. So anyway, Nicole Kidman broke up with Keith Thurban. Being half of a country couple was always a hat she was going to wear, not like a life she was going to lead. Oh, interesting. I like that. Did you practice that on your way over?

Gayton Moderato from Stranger Things. Santa Monsu. Camilla Morone at Carrie Kenny Silver. And more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Remember when you'd walk into your local video rental place and there were always those two employees behind the counter arguing about movies? Well, that's us. I'm Millie de Cherico. And I'm Casey O'Brien. And now we're arguing about movies on our podcast, Dear Movies I Love You, from the Exactly Right Network.

Can I say something about the Criterion Clause? Go ahead, dude. They're letting too many people in there. That's another film grape I got two. Sadly, that rental place doesn't exist anymore. It's probably a store that sells running shoes. Or an ice cream shop with an extra pee and an E at the end. So consider us your slacker movie clerks in podcast form. I would like to establish a timeline of the moment you figured out who Channing Tatum was.

Every Tuesday, we dig into the movies we can't stop obsessing over. From hidden gems to big screen favorites. New episodes drop every. week on the exactly right network. Listen to Dear Movies I Love You on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Matt, give me the Drake May buzzer, beater. Wait, hold up. Actually, not yet.

Always jumping the gun, Bowden. Hold it. Hold it now. Hold it now. This is the 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds, and it is once again sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new Pumpkin Spice flavor, your favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a Pumpkin Spice, five-hour energy shot available online. at five hour energy.com or Amazon.

All right, Maddie, hit me with the tiki talk. There we go. I called this the Drake May buzzer beater because I'm afraid. I'm fearful. It's no longer Halloween season, but I'm freaked out. How long, how long before Drake May takes off out of my New England Patriots backfield and has walloped with a season-ending injury? The dude needs to learn how to slide.

And the Patriots, they've got to take the pressure off this kid and play better. can't be the Drake May Show every damn weekend. Okay, one, he's going to get killed trying to make plays with his feet. Two, you cannot win a Super Bowl this way. I thought the Patriots are going to go out at the trade deadline this week and pick up an edge rusher, maybe some safety depth, perhaps a running back that has hands that work and can hold on to the damn football, anything to take the pressure off. But no, they didn't. They didn't do anything. They traded for Dick Bupkiss is what they did, as in nothing, not a zilch. Let's hope they know what they're doing. And our quarterback stays healthy. Matt, How did I do?

55 seconds, Jake. Got it under a minute. Well, maybe I need some trade deadline out, Matt. Maybe that's what it is. All right, that was the sports rant, sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new Pumpkin Spice flavor. These new Pumpkin Spice Five Hour Energy shots are fall in a bottle and bring that classic pumpkin spice flavor that we all know and love.

Our favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a Pumpkin Spice Five Hour Energy shot available online at fivehourenergy.com or Amazon. All right. I have not seen the Springsteen movie. And I don't believe Matt has either. I'm not motivated to. I've seen some clips. We've talked a little bit about this.

I'm, uh, yeah, man, I don't know. Anyway, Zeth has seen it, okay? And he's talking about it over in the Hollywoodland rap party, which you can hear today by following and subscribing to the Hollywoodland feed wherever you get your podcast. Now, I don't know. if you guys heard, but we're rolling out these new mini episodes to disgrace and all access members. These stories are the excess excess, the wild, weird, and interesting music history tales that

just don't fit into our full episodes. All right? This week we've got an insane one. Okay? We've got just a crazy. This could have been the entire full episode. And it's the story that I came upon. I came to it late.

I'll admit, I came to it when we first got into researching ACDC, and I read the Jesse Fink book on Bonn Scott. And there's this insane theory. It's more than a theory. There's a lot of evidence that backs this up. A lot of people going on the record and talking about this. And there's a lot of circumstantial evidence as well that points to this, quote-unquote, theory being true. And it's the theory that Brian Johnson, the singer on Back in Black, was not responsible for writing the lyrics, or all of the lyrics, excuse me, with the young brothers. And that prior to his death, Bon Scott had actually finished writing the lyrics to the entire album. Now, there's some question of, you know, how many of the lyrics he actually did finish. and there's a huge question of if this even happened, the young brothers have denied it over and over again,

but they've also said some things that kind of open the door a little bit. It's a, I don't want to say shady, but there's a lot of gray area here. And it's a fascinating, fascinating topic to discuss and to try and unpack. So that's what we do in the mini episode. And Matt, give them a little taste. Given that back in black is the second biggest selling record of all time,

The matter of the album's legitimacy is important. Did the band members who are credited as writing the music for that album actually write the music for that album? Yes, and possibly no. ACDC's guitarist brothers Malcolm and Angus Young are credited with writing the music on Back in Black alongside singer Brian Johnson, who had just joined the band prior to Back in Black's recording

as the recently deceased Bond's recording, Scott's replacement. Of the 10 songs on Back and Black, all are credited to Malcolm Young, Angus Young, and Brian Johnson. And it should be noted that ACDC, Angus Young and Brian Johnson specifically have denied that Bond Scott had anything to do with the writing of the songs on Back and Black. However, this vicious rumor persists that Brian Johnson did not write the lyrics for Back in Black, that Bond Scott, prior to dying, had indeed written the lyrics for the songs on the second biggest selling album of all time. Now, again, ACDC has vehemently denied this claim. But two of Bon Scott's girlfriends are on record saying that Bon Scott absolutely was writing

the lyrics for ACDC's next album before he died in 1980. And that next record was, of course, back in black. In fact, his girlfriend, Silver Smith, has stated publicly that on the night that Bond died, Bond was in fact celebrating that he had just finished writing the lyrics for what would become the band's next record. And the band was set to go to the studio straight away and record. Now, when these rumors began to surface, Malcolm Young said point blank that Bon Scott had nothing to do with the writing of Back in Black. Angus Young said the same thing numerous times. And in his autobiography, Brian Johnson later said unequivocally that he wrote all of the lyrics on Back in Black.

He wrote everything. But the lyrics on Back in Black, many seem like lyrics Bond Scott would write. She told me to come, but I was already there. That sounds like a Bon Scott lyric. It really does. But that doesn't prove anything. Brian Johnson was literally trying to replace what the previous ACDC singer Bon Scott was doing

so naturally to please the fans, even if he was doing it unintentionally, he's going to try and do some of the same things that the dude who just died, who he's replacing, had done. So when people bring up the fact that the lyrics sound like Bon Scott lyrics, it doesn't mean a lot to me. However, after Bon Scott died, in very short order, in a matter of hours, Bond Scott's London apartment was cleared out.

His TV, his fancy new VCR machine, his clothes, his other personal effects. They were all taken. And so was the notebook that Bon Scott was writing his lyrics in. All right, that's our newest disgracelam mini episode on the Back in Black lyrics controversy concerning ACDC. And that theme music, that banger theme music created by Mr. Matt Bowden, is worth the price of a mission. You can hear it every week by becoming an all-access member. You're going to get exclusive content just like that, just like the additional content coming up in the exclusive section of the after party. To become an all-access member,

it's super easy. Just go to disgracefandpod.com. You can sign up there for five bucks a month, and that price will hold until for a couple more weeks now, and then it's going to go up. and you'll get the exclusive content I'm talking about, and you'll also get ad-free listening and access to all the other discos in the chat. It's cool, man. The other night, last night, we were on Patreon. If you sign up via Patreon, you know, there's all this stuff we do over there every other week or so, some sort of live, some sort of connection community thing.

And we did this thing last night where we all jumped on and we made a mixtape together. It was very cool mixtape for our upcoming cooking plans for Thanksgiving. a bunch of listeners on with us contributing song ideas. It was awesome. So we do stuff like that too. You get access to that if you become a member on Patreon. You can also become a member on Apple Podcasts. Neutral Milk Hotel, The Smith's, Radiohead, and we don't have any disgrace land episodes on these artists. And we should. For sure, the Smiths. And I don't know how to do one on Radiohead, but there's got to be something there. Somebody, I believe somebody wrote me or called and left me some information on neutral milk hotel as well, which would be really cool.

Oh, it was Zeth, actually. Zeth was talking about doing an episode on neutral milk hotel. Anyway, we don't have episodes on these guys, but we have episodes on 255 different artists or different stories on artists, 255 episodes. Do you know what I'm saying? Everyone you can think of, Amy Winehouse, Grateful Dead, Rolling Stones, Cardi B, Tommy James and the Chondells. I mean, come on, endless. Lil Wayne, Oasis. I mean, come on. You have questions on how to locate any of these episodes in our archive.

Hit us up. You know where to find us. We're easy to get at. We'll sort it out for you, I point you in the right direction. I got to get out of here, though. My kid's playing in a playoff game tonight. I'm very excited about it. We'll check that out.

Before I do that, however, I got a recap. So, number one, this week's full episode, our part two episode on ACDC. That's available for you right now. A new mini episode for All Access Members on ACDC's Back in Black lyrics controversy. Who really wrote those tunes? Was it Bond Scott? Brian Johnson? Well, you can find out about becoming an All-Axac-Member and listening to the new mini episode. All right. Number three, rewind episode on you two coming up right after this. Number four, next week comes our new episode

on The Fish. Five, Zeth gives you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywoodland, so make sure you're subscribed. Number six, six-17-90666-66-3638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you all want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget discos. This isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed and no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, on November 6th, 2014, ACDC drummer Phil Rudd was arrested in what was one of the weirdest examples of life imitating art that I've ever come across.

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Peak position, one. Number three, habits, stay high. Tovay law. Last week, five, weeks on churn, 22, peak position, three. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist, they take matters into their own hands. I vowed, I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get what he deserves.

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