Dissect DJs - Blue Chips (1994)

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

In honor of March Madness season, we crash the boards on one of the all time college basketball movie classics with a full dissect on the 1994 film Blue Chips!Does this movie represent everything that has historically been problematic with the NCAA? Is Nick Nolte the kind of coach that would inspire you to achieve greatness? Was young Shaq an absolute menace? And what is the Mount Rushmore of all-time dunkers with authority?Let the Madness Begin NEXT!Video Podcast Episode: https://youtu.be/VV2OmaTE5RUListeners of this episode also might enjoy: Basketball movies, podcasts, Shaquille O'Neal, Penny Hardaway, Ricky Roe, Butch McRae, Neon Boudeaux, Western University, Indiana University, Bobby Knight, college hoops, bracketology, sports movies, 90s movies, movie review podcast, reaction podcast, Dissect DJs, Ryan Castle, DJ JAG, comedy, video podcast, NCAA basketball, Final Four, Blue Chips movie review, Rick Fox, Marques Johnson, Orlando Magic, LA Lakers, NBA, NBA Draft, 90s basketball, Rick Pitino, Jim Boeheim, Larry Bird, Rewatchables, Vince Carter, Dominique Wilkins, Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Shawn Kemp, Blake Griffin, Kevin Garnett, Los Angeles, Coaching, Space Jam, Ed O'Neill, Bobby Hurley, Allan Houston, George Lynch, Bob Cousy.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

We are back. Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on? Yes, it's your boy DJ MC. Chickie, Chickie, Chickie, Chickie, Chick, Chick, Chick, Chick, Chick, Chick, Chick, Jack. And you know what I'm with my boy. What up, Steeze? Castle, and it is March Madness season.

March Madness. And that means we had to go ahead and do what the Dysect DJs do and break down a classic movie of that genre. And you know why that is? Nope. Because we're the DJs that like to spin it. Big Sid. Throw it back.

and dissect it. Dissect it. And what movie did we get into? I know, but I wanted to ask you so it sounds good for the podcast. You know how it goes. Blue Chips, the 1994 basketball film that brought us angry Nick Nolte, representing every college coach in America. It brought us a cinematic display of how college rules were enforced. It brought us Penny Hardaway.

And it brought us Young Shaq. Young Shaq. And Shaq, we're going to talk. about it but my goodness he was looking skinny and fit and I did not want to mess with that man I think young Shag was a menace man it's an absolute beast he was a tear brought me back to my childhood because I grew up with him being my favorite player and you know I'm a Laker fan but like I was we both had that yeah I mean how do you not love Shack watching him as a kid like when he was all young and he's tearing it up he's

he show up in movies yeah that's the key I think it was because he was showing with Shaq Fu and stuff. I just think he was just like a lovable character just all around. Like his persona. Like everybody that knows Shaq now, you know, everybody has years and years of like tape on Shaq. Like what they remember him as. Now he's its own personality. He's like Snoop Dogg with it where he can just show up anywhere and be beloved.

He could just go do something entertaining. He's very charming and witty. And like he could just like pull off any kind of form of media that he does. But do not laugh at him if he gets called Shaq. You ever seen that clip at Sports Center When he does the eye When he gets called Shaq Not Shaq

Oh no You ever seen that? I'm gonna send you the clip You're gonna try to put it in If you want to put it in it But I'm just saying There's a clip at a sports center Or whenever he's doing the NBA thing

And somebody's like you look like Shrek And somebody in the back goes Ha ha ha ha ha And he goes Who do they mistake you for I went to arrest No I went to arrest No I went to a rest

That was That was really good That was really good, man. Laughing, Anthony? That really good, man. Anthony was not laughing. Yeah, he was laughing. So funny, right?

That was good, man. That was quick. It was good. Who do you get mistaken for? That's funny. Oh, you didn't like it. Shrek? Sack is upset, man. Come on, Shrek.

Time for Shrek than a fool. Oh, man. Presented by Ho! He'll start, Bernie. Ernie, you better, right.

There you do it. And he's all you, man. He's all you, man. Something funny? Hey, nothing's funny, buddy, buddy,

buddy, man. He is actually incredibly sensitive in this day and age. Like, Charles Barkley, like, points us out all time

because he gets so mad at Charles. Like, I don't know you ever watch like an NBA on it. Charles knows how to get up to a NBA. Yeah. And he gets like so mad.

Like, he gets legitimately angry and he just starts, like, throwing vicious, like, barbs. And the way Charles always says it

He knows against Shaq when he immediately goes to, like, the rings. That's why I won four championships. How many you win Chuck? You got nothing. It's right. That's like, he's just like I'm the winner of every single argument because I won four championships and you didn't, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's it.

That is Charles, you know. But my point was is getting to this, I know, you never ultimately feel like you only have, when you have that card to play on you every single time. It's going to. It's going to tough on Chuck. But at this time, what I want to like explain to people was like in the early 90s when Shaq was his new person that was on the scene and he was just tearing up rims and backboards, eccentric NBA player joining the Magic.

And when this movie came out, he had been in the league for about a year. And so this was just like they caught him right at the beginning of his rise. And it really is what makes this movie stand out and be remembered, I think, as a very watchable film. I'm pretty sure I saw this as a kid and I'm pretty sure I fell in love with the Orlando Magic. Because Penny and Shaq were the reasons I loved Orlando and also the reason I hated on Lake once Shaq went to Lakers was like they took my team away but I don't really remember why I liked them other than you know Penny Shack but I think I remember seeing this movie with my dad and then be like I love them I'd see them on a movie and now I they're in the NBA because it says

it at the end randomly they're like they're now NBA stars yeah but that was they're talking about the characters in the movie I know but it just in my brain I was like that's the characters like as a kid you don't realize that that's not the actual same characters you're just like that's they're in the NBA so Penny and Shaq were in the NBA from the movie I saw and then I fell in love with them, and I'm pretty sure that's when my connection with Orlando Magic earlier my career was. Did you know that this movie is very much the reason that you had a penny and Shaq led Orlando Magic?

Is that really true? Yeah, so check it out. Here's the timeline of how this movie was made. So Shaq gets drafted to the NBA in the summer of 92. Immediately his rookie season, he's just an absolute device. Like, he takes over the league. Like, how could you not? you got a 7-1 big man who's like as big as a house and athletic as all get out early shack

was so devastating because he was just you know he was quick he was quick as hell however in the movie did you notice they said he was 7-4 yeah I was like what 7-4 I don't know why they had to say he was 7-4 like yeah I guess I don't know crazy with the stats there's that one part where they they have the fake introductions of all of them they're like 6-9 he's like coach I'm not 6-6-6 oh yeah you're Western now Oh, yeah. Like, I guess we just lie about ages here. Seven four. Seven, four.

Definitely, yeah. It's way too needlessly tall. That's Kareem level. Seven one would have been five. Seven one is good. He brings enough force in the other areas that, like, his size is tremendous. So, they filmed this movie in the summer of 93. Penny Hardaway is coming out.

He's going to be in the draft that year. Orlando Magic have the number one pick. Okay. So Shaq doesn't really know Penny. until they film this movie, and now they're working with each other, and they're playing all those basketball together. One of the things about this movies that I've seen in some research is, like, the games were very much, like, hard played because they had a bunch of, like,

real players out there. All the people in the games, so there's a bunch of, like, real NBA players in the games. What were some other ones that were there? You had Allen Houston. Okay. Bobby Hurley, Calvert Cheney, George Lynch, Rick Fox makes an appearance. Wow, okay. Yeah, they had some real players playing.

Yeah, yeah. And a lot of these guys were, like, just getting in the league or, like, even still in college at the time. And what was weird is that they had their real names, but they were on these made-up teams. And they had real coaches. They loved Rick Petino coaching Western Texas. Indiana was in real team.

Except for Indiana, which is weird. I don't know why if you could get- And they're the actual coach too for them. And Bobby Knight, yeah. Which is interesting because I feel like Nick Nolte's portrayal of Pete Bell was very much like supposed to be like the Bobby Knight type. Like you're playing Bobby Knight ultimately, who then ends up in this movie.

and you're just, you're looking into a mirror. Like you're, okay, so if you're going into a movie being like, I'm going to play a version of Bobby Knight, and then he shows up in the movie against one another. It's like a mirror match in Mortal Kombat. I don't know. Kind of an interesting play there. I don't know why if you get Indiana's rights,

you can't get, you have to bolsheet around the rest of the movie and be like, the girl will pay for one right. Coastal University. Their school is called Western, and then the first game, they're playing a school called Texas Western.

It's like, really, guys, that's as creative as we can get it. another state of Western. But if they could pay for Bobby Knight and the Indiana, and that I guess made it seem super real. Because I remember Bobby Knight being a huge coach back in the day. Oh, yeah. But yeah, let's talk about that real quick.

Can we go into the coach? Well, coach it. Well, I was explaining the story as to how Shaq and Penny met on the set. So they're playing like real hard basketball. Shack has great chemistry with Penny on the court, right? So he's like, dude, I love playing with this guy, Penny Hart. And he's telling the magic, I want you to draft Hardaway with your number one pick. Same time, Chris Weber is coming out.

Famous from the Fab Five of Michigan, he's like the top player in the world. Like everybody's like, they skipped on Chris Weber to get paid. No. Oh, okay. They drafted Chris Weber with the first pick. Okay. And then after that, I don't know if Shaq kept pushing for it or they had that in their mind.

I think that they went around then like, all right, let's see. what we can maybe get. Let's mess with the, I believe it was the Golden State Warriors. Let's mess around and see what we can get from them a little bit. Like, hey, we got the best player in the draft. But if you give us like three draft picks or four first round draft picks, we'll give you Weber and we'll take Penny Hardaway. And they end up pulling it off.

And this is all seen. I guess that's a chess play. They did a whole 30 for 30 on this on the magic. And that's where I learned this story. And Shaq talks about like, oh, my God, they did it. They did it because he didn't want to play with Weber because that's two big men. fill up the paint. He wants to play with Penny who was like a 6-8 guard who could like kind of get him the

Bull. Twin Towers of those two would have been nasty though. I mean, how nasty were Penny and Shaq together? I know, but I guess they could have finagled a way to keep Weber. No, I guess not. They had to throw Weber in for the mix. Okay. It would have been an interesting play, but like, I mean, that team got all the way to the finals.

Penny came in and was killing it out. He was killing it, man. He was killing Michael. Yeah, he was like all NBA in like his second year. Like he was a big deal at the time. And like, yeah, he was kind of like a lanky point guard who was like. had size but could also like do it all like that was a nasty combination that dominated the mid 90s and made the magic a perennial like lovable team like me and you were both fans of them they had cool colors yeah random new franchise on the margot they had cool jersey i had a penny hardaway jersey the blue one with the pinstripes i love that i probably still have it so space jam basketball jules it was like pennies like little oh little pennies in it with chris rock's voice yeah he's a big star at the time so and it all gets thanks to this movie because this is what put them on together

But yet the star focal point Grumpy, angry as fuck Nick Nolte Who just portrays like every coach Literally the first scene in the movie I fucking love the first scene in this movie We start off in the locker room It's hard He comes in yelling

Just comes in just cussing Tears the place to shreds Just telling him how much he hates everyone Yeah throw it shit He's just three You don't be learned to wear these uniforms And he just like starts tearing shit up So I watched it

I actually realize I have never actually watched Blue Chips before last night. I definitely have seen this a couple times. This is one of the few times, by the way, on Dynetech DJs where I have seen a movie and Castle had not, especially when it comes to sports. So that when he told me that was like, what? You never seen blue chips? That's crazy to me. I've seen parts of it before and I was aware of it when it came out when I was a kid

and everything. But like, I never actually sat and watched it front of back. So I watched it last night, took my notes as I do. And I immediately like was this first scene is hilarious to me. Like it looks like a comedy with this first scene. But what I realized when I watched it back, and then I had some time earlier today, I watched it again,

I thought that this was like him coming in at the half to like talk to the team. And like they had the worst half ever. So he's like tearing him shreds about like how lousy they're playing. This is before the game. This is before the game even starts. Yeah. He's like talking about how like today we're about Joe,

he's like, when I look at this team and I think about the way you guys play basketball, I don't want to fucking. throw up. You know what? You don't deserve this water cooler. Gets us out of hair! Uniforms, guys!

Like, that guy absolutely hits his kids. The way he, like, walks right into them and he starts grabbing shit. That's a crazy way to start a game. Who is that inspiring? Who is, so then the crazy move is that he then storms out. Storms out. Coaches are like, all right, guys. Storms right back in.

He's like, in another thing. But doesn't he come in calmer the second when he comes in? Not the second time. He's like, I just have never seen such a bunch of losers trying to play this game. This is pathetic. Western University used to mean something. You figure it out.

Fucking storms out again. And they're like, all right, guys. And another thing. He comes back in for a third. When he does it the third time, I'm like, okay, this is straight up a comedy sketch now. Like, you could show me that scene and be like, all right, this movie's going to be a comedy, right? I feel like we were going to get comedy chops out of that. That's the last time anything funny happens in the movie.

Like it literally ends right there. And you realize, like, oh, this coach is just a meeting. Just how goddamn bad can it get? This is by far the worst team that has ever sat in this locker room. You son of my bitches, you don't deserve a locker room. You don't deserve a locker room the way you're playing with here. You should be playing without uniform. We should be playing with jock straps.

Goddivet! Every time we get ready to play, I just want to throw up. I'm goddamn sick of watching you guys play! There's not one of you, not one of you, that's learned how to win. We got hammered the last four games. And it stopped right now! If you keep playing the way you're playing, we're gonna get an ass-feed again tonight. So depressed, I don't even want to talk about it.

I'm through fighting, you sons of bitches! They're the dumbest king I ever coached. You guys think of something. All right, guys. Coffee cars ready. Honest, Christ, I just want to go home and cry when I watch us play. Don't you boys understand? Don't you know how bad I want to see this team play?

I want to see this team play so fucking bad I can taste it. Honest to Christ, you boys, the only joy I have right now is I ought to have to watch you guys play two more games. Godfrey! All right, guys. Let's start thinking about the game. Start thinking about what we're going to do out there. I can't tell you how sick I am a basketball right now. When he keeps going to the churches, and he's like, oh, I love this church.

That's a friend. That's on par for one of the whitest moments ever. And just a great example of what these coaches do to try to recruit. He's like, oh, yeah, you go to this black church? No, this is my style. And then he goes to the other guy. He's like, I'm in Shaq. No, he's.

First Baptist. He's there with Shaq. Oh, yeah, yeah. So he's got two different types of Baptists that he's trying to recruit, but he'll sell him whatever they want to hear, you know? Jack's just looking at him like, who the fuck is this way for it? He's like, there's no way you were part of this.

Oh, yeah. Everybody's in rhythm. He's every Sunday. He's offbeat is everything. It's so funny. Well, everything is culturally biased, yeah, and I'm just trying to get you in college. If I couldn't play basketball, would you be trying to get me in college?

No. At least you're honest. this. Symbuds of God. Pentecostal hell. I grew up in the Pentecostal church. So do you feel like basketball coaches are like the angriest version of coaches that we have? Like in what sport?

No, I mean, football's up there with angry coaches. I've seen some. I guess so. Baseball, you'll see them come after them. I've never seen hockey. I'm sure hockey gets. Yeah, it's just an angry profession, right? Like, I just feel like coaches tend to run angry.

And they seem like, it kind of seems like a misobey. You get paid well and you get a lot of notoriety, you'll get a ton of credit of your team wins. But it just feels like coaches in general, the wins don't hold up to like what the losses do to them. I can feel that. Yeah, man, like I've told you, I think I've said this on the show. I coached freshman basketball for two years when I was, I think, 19 and 20 or 18 and 19, whatever. And it's such an out of your hands position.

You have, you think you're controlling you tell your kids like, oh, you guys are going to do this play. And then one kid doesn't do the play. What do you stop to play? No, they're in mid-game. You're like, you're just out of your control. So you're just hoping that your kids that you've taught over practice and all this follow through with what they've learned and they win the game. And you're just sitting there trying to like manipulate through words and encouragement.

But you can't, you really are out of your control. If they decide you could sub. But typically the five kids that you have in are their best kids and then you're going to bring them in and bring them out. Now that was one thing I'm looking back, especially freshman basketball. I should have let all the kids play. I'm disappointed to myself at this age. I'm like, man, let the kids play.

Bring them in, bring them out. Whether you win or lose, let's just have some fun and keep the energy up. But back then, fuck that, man. Fuck that. I am winning this game. AJ, get your ass back in there. You're you ready? Are you ready?

Get in there, dude. Need you back in there right now. Especially at the level of like a high esteemed university like that. Oh, yeah. And then taking it there, especially when he's like when he won two championships like he did. And yeah, that's probably, that's probably got to be a whole different level of coaching that but still out of your control you do as much as you can during practice but your players got to do the thing as is the cornerstone of al pacino's legendary speech in any

given sunday what does he keep saying now i can't make you do it you got to look at the guy next to you look at his eyes you know what i mean like that's the thing is like you are trying to figure out how to reach these players on a level that will get them to understand and perform and with especially i think feel like at a pro level is another thing because so many of these you're not you these players have like these own egos and you never know where their heads at and you know what they're capable of but like how do you get them to care how do you get them to bring that out i think it's a a similar thing that probably like directors deal with with like actors you know or like i know what this the scene needs and i have this actor that i believe can do it but like

how do i reach him to get him to like go inside and like pull out the performance that i know is in there. Anytime that like your job depends on like what you can get out of like the people that are under you, I guess like to a degree you could consider like any boss job to be like that really. Yeah. But it's definitely I feel like at a coaching level like it's never more present and clear like what you're getting from them out of it. Yeah. In a boss job you can at a very end do the job yourself. You know what? Get out of the room. I'm taking it over and do the job. You can't do You're not coming in. Check me in. Nick Nolte is not getting in there and guarding Bobby Hurley.

And also you were saying like you can't control the players. You also, and this movie shows, don't know if there's something else going on with the players that they're trying to hit some type of bets or something. They're against her. Like, if I knew you were trying to do that, you wouldn't be in the game. So, you know. Absolutely. So this movie touches a lot on like the corruption that exists within college athletics.

And like the sharks that are kind of like trying to get in and like. maybe guys like happy the friend of the program who's like got like you know his own sketchiness yeah yeah literally tell him when he's not wrong in a way it's like once you've used this guy to bring these guys in this guy's got one up on you you know it's like shack with the four rings over chuck it's like what are you going to do now you're not in a position where you tell this guy's shit because he's got all the dirt on you and he's already been he's already bought one of your boys in the past listen you got to understand something the friends of the program are my friends and they are friends for life. What they've done is untraceable. What I've done

is unprovable. There will be no smoking gun because I am the smoking gun. Now relax. It's all working. Happy you're a scumbag. You know that? I didn't break any laws. You did. You broke the collegiate athletic laws. It's your career that's on the line, not mine. My career's in my own hands. I own you. I just open my mouth. Rumors start to fly about you. You're You, for instance. I've lived through accusations. I walked away from the alleged point-shaving incident. Think again, that thing happened.

Get out of you. Why don't you try this one? January 16. Three years ago. Boys, coach. No. No, kid. Would ever fix a game?

Why don't you just go to the videotape, coach? I own you. Pete. You're mine. Nick Naltzy learns from his boy, Tony, and then they go to, like, review the tape. But I always love a good, like, review the tape scene. He's not, look at that. He's going to look at it.

He's terrible. It's the worst pass I've ever seen. I thought Tony was just off these days. Let's be honest. That play, that game that happens if you go back to the thing. It's like first, third game of a regular season that the guy decides to shave points of himself. Okay, like, you know what? Go talk to him.

Talk to your boy next practice. Like, hey, I saw you shave the game like three years ago. I looked at the tape. No. No. No. Nick Noggi has the audacity to take his ass to take his ass to. to a party that's happening.

Dude, the way Nick Nolte approaches, it's like a fraternity house or something. There's a full-on party. It's like midnight. Dude. Could this not have waited until tomorrow to discuss it with? He's going at it. Like, he just found out that his mom is in trouble

and he needs to, like, warn him. Three years ago. And it wasn't any important a game. And it was like a full of casual shave scandal. Like, you tell me. What's up with you, man? Did you?

Or did you not shake? Point. That's me, Tony, man. I want to do something like the hell swall or two. Cut the bullshit. Did you take money? Did you shave points? No, I didn't.

I swear to God, no. Because, Tony, you, because I would not. Coach, Coach, Coach, Coach, You tell me your truth, man. You tell me that truth, man. Just once! Just one! We won the damn, right?

We just didn't come to the goddamn spread. I mean, who cares about the spread? That's just for the damn gamblers, ain't it? Coach, man, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Coach. I'm sorry, Coach. Haven't I always been there for you? Whether your girlfriend got pregnant or your funkin' TV or whatever the hell it is.

Are you a better basketball player because of me? Are you a better man? Yes. You lied to me, told him. Son, you took the purest thing in your life and you corrupted it. And for what? For what? The way this movie treats the rules of, like, college basketball and, like, general.

Like, everybody's acting like, don't do it. This is the most absurd shit. Like, how dare somebody possibly bend the rules when? In fact, the way that these college basketball rules used to be college athletics rules were set up in general. It was so that if you didn't cheat, you fell behind. Was he going to get Neon Boudot? Was he going to get Butch McCray if they didn't pack some money in a gym bag and like send him up? Like, that was how you got players.

And everybody knew that. And it must have been stressful as fuck for these universities to try to figure out how to get around the rules of these players. Like the whole process was set up to be tainted and like for people to cheat. Like that was the business that it was. And you're right. And this movie was kind of set up to like deter that. Like we don't do that here. It feels like this whole movie was made by like the NCAA to like try to enforce their rules and make it feel like that it would be absurd for anybody. to like have the idea of like break the rules.

Not play their best basketball at all times. Yeah. When he goes to visit both Penny Hardaway's family, whose name in the movie, by the way, is Butch McCray. Okay. Butch McCray does not sound like a Penny Hardaway. Butch McCrae sounds like a designated hitter, a grizzled veteran on like a baseball team.

I'll give you that. Who's had two knee surgeries. They'll put it in. I think Butch is ready. A checkered past. And in modern day has a few questions. questionable tweets under his belt. You know what I mean?

That's what Butch McCrae sounds. Like it doesn't sound like an up-and-coming Penny Hardaway type. But I digress. He goes to his family's house and she's like, I heard it's only cheating if you get caught. She makes some kind of like nice like statement. Are she on the screen now? Yeah, I'm sorry. I wasn't ready for it.

There's like 100 of you. Yeah. Okay. It's cool back up. But yeah, she's right. That's like the way the system was set up. It's just like it's only cheating if you get caught. So do your best to do the bending of the rules.

Get yourself a happy little like sleazy. Which by the way, do you think that guy's name was actually happier? That was just like his sleazy nickname that he came out. Hey, people call me happy because that's what I do. I make people happy. It seems like early 90s that was a name because now we got two different movies that have. Yeah, within like a year. There's like two different prominent happy characters.

I don't think anybody who's ever actually named happy. That'd be a stupid name to give a child. So you got Butch McCray whose mom was clearly like, understood that you're going to pay for him to have my son. And then who's the next guy? Rudy. Who's the middle guy? Ricky Roe.

Ricky Roe, whose dad understood that you're going to get me a tractor. And then Ricky Roe was like, I got other offers. This is good. Both of them are like, people are knocking on our door and they're presenting us offers that present it. And so Ricky Roe, obviously his whole thing is like, I'm horny as fuck 19 year old kid. Yeah. I just want to go to a college where there's some slamming ace all around. And that's mostly what I'm be focused on.

He tells him that up front. And by the way, he wants $30K. And he said it does it in front of all the coaches. He couldn't be more slick about that. 30K is like the most random number, by the way. He's just like a very specific. I just need 30. It sounds like the orders came directly from his dad.

Like that's how much new tractor costs. The new John Deere is going to 30K. They got the tractor before. No, no, no. So this happens afterwards. So this is how this scene plays out. He's like, yeah, I'm ready to join Western. Just basically this is what it's going to cost.

Other people have said that they, this is really distracting now. Multiple camera views from Dicek DJs guys. Now I have myself on the back screen. And I have him right here. Look at this. I don't know. Look at my phone. Look at this camera.

Yeah. Hey. Smile. Smile. Yeah. What's random? All right. Turn off.

That's nothing. So he's, so Ricky Roe literally is like, yeah, you know, I want to go to this university. All I'm asking for is 30K. That's what I've been offered. If you guys come. match that, then I'm yours. I'm yours. I'm here. And Nick Nolte's just flips a dime on. I'm like, he did at the beginning. Get the hell out of my office. He goes full Al Pacino on. I'm like,

how dare you? Get out. Take that jersey off. So my question is, how confused is Ricky Rowe then? When in the very next scene, like basically Nick Nolte, coach Bell, Pete Bell has this realization of like, fuck, if I want these players, I got to fucking, got to pay to play. And he goes to happy and he's like, all right, let's make it work. And he's like, hey, hey, my money's untraceable. Don't worry. Next scene, they got Butch's mom is getting taken care of. They're like, we're going to set you.

Job and a house. Yeah, and then Ricky Rose got a tractor delivered to his dad's house. And it's like, what is Ricky Rose mindset when he goes from, this dude went full on Ted Bundy on me last night? He told me to get the fuck out of his life. He fucking tells him to get the fuck out. And then the next day his dad's like, hey, I got a tractor delivered. So he's like, all right, so am I good or what?

Like, how does this? And then, let's be honest, Shaq. Neon. Neon. Neon. Neon, but doe. Didn't ask for anything. Yeah.

And they tried to give him a car. You're like, here's a car. And he was like, I don't need this shit. I can't even fit in the damn thing. What are you guys doing to me right now? So you got, I almost give credit there. I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. The best player out of the three.

Let's be real. Yeah. You want Shaq. You could have made a team around Shaq. He could be a truckload of money. They could have just. He could have been like, give me 50. It could have been like popped the trunk and there's like fucking 90K cash.

He didn't want anything. So I think that made me love Shaq even more. He's the most lovable character. He didn't take money in college. You know how to kid. I think I was 10 during this when this was made or maybe he was 8. No, he was way younger than that. This was 94.

Yeah. So 10. I'm 10. So I'm like 9.10. Shack didn't take any money. And he's the best player. I love this guy. Yeah.

He's so lovable. First of all, I love the initial reveal of Shaq is done so well. Like, where do they say? We got to go to Algiers. Al Jaze. They go on a boat. They make it seem like this some foreign country.

They're like, we've got to take a boat there. Which also, it's also just in Louisiana. It's like by New Orleans. So it's like, I don't think it's that crazy of a venture, but for some reason I've got to take a boat there.

Over train tracks. And they're like going into the woods. Like going through the jungle. Like, where is this place? They end up in this warehouse. The way they originally reveals Shaq, he's just destroying the rims with the, the chain nets and everything.

There's no way that. Rim was able to take it. Yeah. This was in a warehouse in the middle of nowhere. What is this game happening even? Like, there's no way that's a league. This is just where people come. Like, they harken stories of like, I heard there's these underground games.

And there's this beast of a man who will just destroy anybody who gets in this site. And he's like throwing down. And it's almost like a cave. They make shack out to be like this is some untapped resource. That's the most amazing thing you ever see. But nobody has ever heard of him. He's unknown. He's like this cave monster who will just destroy, like, has never been explored or discovered.

And Nick Nolte is discovering him when he goes in there and there's like brick walls and everything. Let me not true. He's got big hands. Watch how he moves away from the ball. He's totally wrong. He's never been coached. Jesus Christ. I'm not gonna bullshit you Pete.

There ain't no brain surgeon, all right? Took the SAT recently, scored 520 out of a possible 1,600. 520. 400 for just fell on your land correctly. That's it. Messed up on his name. It reminded me of that Harold and Kumar scene when they're trying to drive through the street and there's just a game happening in the middle of the street and he's like, oh, just drive through.

And they look and there's that huge guy and he's like, my ball. What hell is this? Turn it around. Yeah, just go through them, man. Dude, we're not driving through this basketball game. You know, Roldi, I really felt you were bigger than this. Dude. I'm not scared because they're black.

I'm scared because they're scary. And it's not like we got Gregory Hines out there. Not that's scary. Turn around. That's basically like what Shaq is when you first see him. And the way this character was written, I think, they talk about how he got, like, the lowest scores on his, like, SATs and everything. Like, they make him sound like he's dumb as a rock.

He's just this enormous beast. 540. He just can destroy anything. 540 is his T. So I feel like the way the character was originally written was to be like this rock-headed beast who's just like really good at slamming the ball and like nobody's discovered him

until Coach Bell now. However, I think because Shaq is so charming and likable that they almost like had to, you have to pivot because if you have Shaq, like, Shaq's gonna be Shaq. And he's like got that smile. Picking up the kids. Neon, please try and not step on the children. Okay, all right.

There's like three different scenes. in the movie where he enters the room with just his smile, like, where he just comes in and he's like, like when he first brings him into the school, the classroom, and he waves. And then the other one, when he shows the test score and then he like pops in, like, he's just this likable, charming man. And I feel like that ended up being the character because you had Jack, who, of course, ends up being the heartbeat of this movie. So, and if they didn't have him, I feel like this movie would be a whole lot less likable because the whole preachiness of the rules the whole time. I don't know.

It didn't do a lot for me. And as we know, we've come to a point where they've changed it to this NIL thing, which was a much needed change. Shaq would have got so much NIL money. Yeah, he would be. He would have got dominant. He would be destroyed the ranks. And he would have earned it.

He'd be coming at 18. I'd be like, uh, here's multiple million. Like, what do you? Yes. This is the way he was. Dude. Guys, watch this movie and watch Shaq before he got.

Because when he got to the Lakers, Phil Jackson told him, I need you to increase your weight. And I think that's led to his later seasons of being injured in tow stuff. But when he first came in, he was 7-1 fast. Yeah, he was quick as fuck. And it was just crazy how dominant he was and just, oh. I don't think anybody needed to tell Shaq to gain weight. I feel like he was just-

You never heard that story? I think he was just on that trajectory anyways. He might have been, but I think he did it faster. I think he, because Phil Jackson, I heard the story many times. I don't know where it. But Phil Jackson said, you got to gain about 30 pounds so that nobody can touch you because you'll be that big. And Shaq, Shaq was like, I'm down. I'll eat some.

You want me to eat more? Okay. You know what I mean? Well, dude, Lakers Shaq was by far the most dominant version of him. You couldn't. He bumped everybody off. He would just destroy the pain. That one dunk where he dunks and then kicks the white guy and he's just like, get out of here.

You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Dudley or whatever. Chris Dudley. And then he's like, gets all pissed and he just throw. I mean, that he nailed. That was a great throw by Dudley, though. He hits him, like, at mid-court right in the center of the back.

That's funny, though. If you're going to throw a ball at Shaq, like, you better nail it. You don't get props to deadly for that. Well, let's be honest, every time Shaq ever fought in the air, he always came with a really wide, like, I guess you don't want to get hit by a haymaker, but. Well, Shaq could probably kill you if you really never got to fight. Let's be real. Shaq probably never got to fight Shaq. So I think this movie really works because Shaq, like, forces it.

But, like, the tone of it, the way that they, the rules are continually talked about as though they're this thing that, you. Even though his ex-wife, who they have, I don't know what the deal is, his relationship with the ex-wife is, but like the way, first of all, we talked about that party. He goes to Tony's place and he's just a fucking mess. Like, why are you storming into a party? And then he leaves right from that to, like, pounding on his ex-wife's door. And she's like, it's one in the morning. Like, what are you possibly?

And he's like, I have to talk to you. I just found out Tony's shave points. But he had already lied to her. And she's pissed off because she figured out. She did the mat together. and she's like, I saw a happy hanging around the team. The only reason he would be around is if you had been getting him into the fold. Women's intuition.

I know what that means. And she's just like so, so this is a woman who's already divorced him. And she's like, no, you lied to me to my face. It's like, can we all stop acting in this universe of people that work in college athletics that this shit is not going on? It has been going on for years. And we all know how the game works. Like even what's that guy, Mel, the assistant coach played by Mark.

Arquez Johnson, who I've met before, is a cool guy, former NBA player, also makes appearance in White Man Camp Jump. He's the guy that, like, pulls out the gun to, like, rob the liquor store. And then, like, that's, you know, he's like, no, what? I'm killing all of y'all. And he goes, yeah, yeah, that's him. He makes an appearance in this movie. And she's like, what is happy doing here?

It's like, hey, you know how things are. It's like, yeah, that's what everybody's reaction of this shit should be. Also, the AD, who's played by Bob Coosie, I don't know if you picked up on that. Nope. The guy who's AD, he's just like, hey, I don't want to know about it. anything like that's the way this game is played he's just like don't talk to me about don't bring me into it don't explain to me that this is what you need to do to get the good players just fucking do your shit and leave me out of it it's just go do it and bob coozy i want to know bob coozy by the way

with his shooting form is the most like 1950s dude because you know bob coozy right oh he's the one that was stroking yeah and didn't miss yeah yeah because that was actually he was like one of the original like great players in the NBA for the boston celtics i know i know bob coozy name but yeah I didn't know that was him shooting and then he didn't miss. He made 10 straight. Yeah. And he has that like form that's like the most old man form ever. But it's like it's a dope form because it's the stroke.

He's one handing it. But it's the most like this is the way players is shooting the 50s. Like I could see that. That makes sense. Man, they have star power in this movie. A lot of star power in this movie. Including, I don't know, Dickie V shows up. With a capital A?

He says it twice. I wrote down to my notes. Dick Fidel made a whole career out of like saying the same. five things enthusiastically. It's going to be awesome, baby. It's awesome with a capital A. He says it twice within one minute. It's like, did you run it?

You guys literally, I understand if that was a live hit, but you have a director, you have editors. You couldn't cut that. You'd be like, Dick, I think you already said that at the beginning. Like five seconds ago. You just said that. Yeah, yeah. Now, could we go to that last game real quick?

Yeah. It's a good game against Indiana, the Hoosiers, top team. They got to beat them. And it comes down to the final 12 seconds. Yeah. Okay. By the way, Shaq has like 30 dunks in that game. The whole offense is just shak dunking it.

They made sure they said that 13 rebounds. I got that part. So you had a double double with 30. Of course he did. The guy looks like a menace. They win this off a spin, pick, and roll, slam with no time left. Just the way Pete drew it up. With no time left.

Like, you know how critical that's got to be using with a dunk? It goes in and clock stops. You know what I mean? Like it stops once you go in. It's risky business to try to win a game with an Alioop. All of you. And up until last year,

I would say that it was unreal and this is the only time that's ever happened. However, did it happen last year? A playoff game between the Clippers and the Nuggets

ended just like this. No way. With Aaron Gordon thrown down, I think it was an alleyup at the buzzer and they had to like check it and it was a difference in the series honestly and it's the reason the Clippers ended up losing.

Yeah. I couldn't believe it. I was like no time left on a dunk. Yeah. That means it literally, that means it's zero. Like, you know what I mean?

Like it has to go through the hoop and then it's zero. If not, there's at least a second. Like, I was amazed that they decided to go Aliup to Shaq. I mean, I'm going to Big Man, too, but to dunk it? Yeah. Incredible. When he threw the Aliup, there's a second and a half left or something like that.

Like, it was a crazy pass. I was amazed by the fact that they won that game on an Aliub last second. It's a weird call to draw it up that way. Like, you'd think that, I mean, I guess if you got Shaq, if you got neon. Got neon, you got to, like, just use it. I'm using it. Yeah, for sure. And he still did his tongue thing.

Back then he was like yeah, yeah, that's how he did it And then Bobby Knight was so pissy He threw a chair across the floor No, he didn't But at the beginning of the game, Pete, uh, movie Pete Bell punts a ball under the stands Have you ever gotten so mad that you punted a ball? I've never done.

I know Tracy McGready did. That's the only person I ever seen do that shit Punted but no, I've never punted a ball. I remember, I remember as a coach, I don't know, man Oh, as a coach, that's like unheard of like angered behavior. I would have been, parents would have saw me in it.

No, you can't do that. that high school coach you do that high school especially a freshman you're pretty much done like i remember doing it once when i was a kid i was playing one-on-one against somebody i don't remember who but i was like mad at somehow like scored and i like punted the ball you feel really stupid because then you're just like you'll get it doesn't make you feel any better to like chase it at least in the game like you can do that and like there's a captions that says like i got it like somebody in the crowd was like speaking of captions i had captions on the screen Nick Nolte is the most angriest, grumbliest actors I think there ever was.

So in a way he works in this role because he fits the part of what a college coach is. There are a lot of very angry, like just disgruntled men. And he has the official, I put it in the death. Is the khakis and the sweater over the button up shirt, the official coaching gear? Yeah, especially for men. That's the official view of the coach. Especially 90s. Yeah.

That was it. He's wearing that and he's just constantly just like grumbling. And I swear to there at one point in the captions, like he's like entering a room and he's like pissed about something. And the captions just say like grumbling. Like while he's just like, Oh, yes. All right. Wait.

Okay. So let's fade to the end real quick where he decides to admit that he got everybody. He gambled and he. Yeah. You know how mad you got to be if you're one of the three that we've been talking about? Like you. Okay. We're down to do this, right?

We're going to stay silent about it. Okay, cool, coach. Let's do it. You give me my 30K. Now I'm in trouble. Right. Everybody said they were banned from the tournament for next three years. So, Neon, Butch, Ricky, they're all fucked now because you decided to come out and be like,

you know, I don't want to win with his guilt. And there's no way that a college coach would not hold this back and, like, just play the game until he was absolutely cornered. They win that game. That coach is. accepting that ride off on everybody's shoulders, and he's absolutely taking the victory lap. He's not being like, but my guilt. It's like, no, fuck that. Let's go back because I wanted to make sure I thought it was.

We almost missed it. Who was he being investigated by? That's right. Not only one of the best sports movie legend. Sports movie legends at this point, man. We just got done with the Little Giants where he was the best gum-chewing little giants. What is it? Little Cowboys coach.

A little Cowboys coach. What's his name? Ed O'Neill. Ed O'Neill makes an appearance. I think he surprised both being castled this. Yeah, I had no idea. It was in this. Ed O'Neill, we just talked about this, man.

This movie was made the same year. Oh, wow. So in 94, he's dropping Little Giants. He shows up in this movie, and Maribel Children was killing it. Hitting hot. And the cool thing is he plays a completely different character in all three. Yep. You know, and Al Bundy's like a comedic kind of loser who's just kind of like,

oh what's the point you know what i mean and then a little jites tuesday do we have to yeah peg and then at little giants he's like the cocky athletic hero who's like kind of like yeah his gum chewing is always just like i knew it's in my way and then this one he's like the investigative reporter who's like what like a local like newspaper reporter like and the only one that seems to be against like going to he's so on their case and i think the only reason is because at the beginning of the movies He's like, eh, well, what about that point shaving scandal that a few years ago? And he just goes off. He's like, Ed, you're so up your own ass.

Do you think it's fair to say that your inability to get the program back on track is strictly related to recruiting problems that started four years ago after the alleged point shaving incident? How long are you going to keep this bullshit up, Ed? Huh? You know, goddamn well, there was no such incident. There was an alleged incident which you invented. In the same way that if I assert that you sleep with sheep, then it is alleged. that you sleep with sheep.

That's out of line, Coach. What do you mean it's out of line? If you can't take the heat, get out of my face, Ed. God damn it, you know nothing like that happened here. Listen, I didn't say that it happened. I merely asked you if you thought that the allegations hurt recruiting. I didn't say it happened. Listen, if this is the level of questions I'm going to get here tonight,

this press conference is over. And I kind of feel like none of this would have happened. If you had just treated Ed O'Neill with a little, like, respect and been like, you know, Ed, Ed, let's go out for a drink. It's like, you know, I like you, you like me. I respect the work you do. No, he went off on. How do you cut the program a little slack, you know?

He didn't. He was rude to him, and Ed went after him. And Ed goes full on, like, undercover investigator. Pictures. He somehow has pictures. He's like, we got word that butch his mom just got a new home. And check this out. Tractor just showed up at Ricky Rose House.

It's like, how do, who are your boots on the ground in this situation? This is 1999-4. It's got to even using Google Earth. photos it's like you just have like men in the the bushes like oh man got it like yeah he's just car yeah on just got a brand new catalogue was so amazed to see him in this movie and yeah he completely different role and yeah I just I think that like that's he's the only one that seems to be like trying to blow the cover off it like he's a he's a he's a detective in spotlight or something wasn't for him nobody cares yeah nobody would give a shit this was clearly a time

where it was like everybody knows what's going on we have this system in place. We know the programs are doing filthy things, but we just don't ask questions because we know that's what they need to do to win. The money's flowing. And everything works except for the players because they're all getting dicked in the end. There's that whole speech when Happy says like he goes off and he's like, we owe him. He's like, we owe him this. He's like, they deserve this. And he's painted as the villain in the movie because he has sketchy practices. I watch that scene and I'm like, dude, Happy is cooking right now. Somebody listen to this guy. I know the amount of money that it's going to take to buy out your contract is the same that it's going to take to get Butch and Ricky to sign letters of intent.

We don't buy athletes. Let me tell you something in case you don't know. Our football team ranked in the top ten for the last eight years has got a linebacker, a tailback, an offensive tackle, two safeties and a quarterback, all recruited by friends of the program. I don't like football. They're all graduating this year. We're clean. My money is untraceable. It's been washed, scrubbed, laundered within an inch of its life.

You got a future in politics, asshole. Why don't you run for office? These athletes generate millions of dollars for the university. What do they get? Nothing. What do you get? You get a multi-year contract. You get a six-figure shoe deal

so your team can be a walking billboard, and that is all legal. And then you get another six figures for that lousy TV show. Get out of my face. We owe them this money. For years, the workhorses of all these college athletics 30 years to be exact from that point,

30 years to be exact from that point. Nothing. 30 years from that point when he was putting it on paper and on video, hey, these players deserve a little more money. Like they deserve some of the profits that we're getting. Nobody listened. And NIL was damn near 30 years away from that happening still.

I think at least 20. We just got in the last like 10 years. No, I gave me like the last three. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's new. Yeah. 30 years.

And well, I mean, because it happened 30 years before that. I thought that you were saying. Like it had been happening for 30. I mean, for college, all of it. As long as forever.

From this movie, it was 30 years still. So, Even though he put it on blasted a movie like that, he was like, they deserve me. He should be giving them money. Nothing for 30 years. And then they were like, all right, all right.

I guess you could have some of this. And then right after that, first of all, yeah, like you were saying, like, it falls in these players. There's that moment when he tells the team, you know what? I've got to quit. Like, I feel too guilty. And then Shaq follows him on the door and he's like, hey, coach. Did I have my spin.

You like most move, though? And he's like, and you watch that moment and you think, like, you know what you're doing? It's like, you told this guy and his family and all those players. family like come to this university i will take care of your kids like a father and you and now you're immediately bailing on them you're leaving your you know that your admission now is going to leave this team in a suspended territory which is one of the most frustrating things about the way these college athletics like punish these programs is like these coaches will go off and find a new team to be a coach of and they'll be like hey everybody loves me here all the players and everybody at the university

get saddled with a punishment it's kind of like uh was it john calipari he got caught in a scandal with one of the teams. Oh yeah, we talked about this. Yeah, and then he left, it was, I know they were in the championship, I want to say Memphis. Okay. And then he just goes and leaves them to go to Kentucky.

He's like, oh, he gets a nice new job with a new team like the next year. And he's like, everybody loves them again. And that team is just settled with like, and their band from the tournament for the next three years and stuff. And it's like, the coach was able to leave? Yeah,

he just went and got a new job because he was sought after, which is probably something Pete Bill can do, you know what I mean? But this program and all the kids that you told, To bring their lives here. Done for three years. Done. And then at the end of the movie, they have the little, they're like,

oh, Butch and Neon both went to the NBA. They say it in a weird way, they're like, they both dropped out of school. To go to the NBA. And it's like, okay, yeah, well, obviously Neon was going to the NBA. Like, he doesn't need this college ship. But then they do the thing about Ricky. Busted his knee and he went to the farm. He goes to back to the farm.

He's the one that this system is failing. He asks you for $30,000. He's like, this is. when I have value. I know I can get money right now. And then you fucking stormed out. Not only did he fucking storm out and tell him to get the hell out of his locker room. The next like two scenes later, he's with a happy and he's like, what is that? Do you buy him a car? Ricky, get the hell out. I'm like, can you back off my boring? Ricky? What the fuck, Pete? Like, why do you keep getting in Ricky's face about it? This is the one year he has value to his university and his sport and

everything. All he's asking for is 30K and a tractor. And to get some nice, Western University Poon. You know what I mean? That's what he's in it for. That's true. That's his love for the game. I want girls coach. And then the university goes of your fucking, did people still say that?

I don't know. Don't think so, dude. I don't know. Tang. Tang sounds a little better. We'll go. Let's leave it at that. Ricky Rowe would agree with me.

He was definitely probably used a term into that. But yeah, he's the reason the system fails these kids. He has value right now as an effective player as he calls himself. I'm a blue chipper athlete. lot of new universities are knocking down my door all i'm asking for his 30k and a tractor that feels feasible yeah and they're like oh dare you ask that what happens after that he gets his knee hurt has to go work on a farm which feels like he was happy to do that anyways take over the family farm but his whole opportunity to make window uh his window of opportunity to make money as a basketball

player gone he's the thing that this system failed and where does the coach go probably walks outside Oh, yeah. Down the street and see some kids, which, by the way, as we as we as I spoke about, there are so many kids playing late at night at this court. I remember playing back in the day and there being a lot of kids. But my goodness. 50 kids, like 10 at night. 10 year olds galore playing ball at this court.

And there's just one kid balling. And he's shooting with one hand. I'm watching him. I'm like, you know, he's shooting good. He's shooting one. Coach comes over, stops the game. Yeah. There's no way.

If some, any, any ethnicity dude comes up to me, I was going to say, you know, a white coach, but it doesn't matter, anybody stops my game midgame and goes, hey, guys, look at this. This is how you got to shoot. You got to put the hand behind the ball. You got to, like, release, and then you're going to get it. Get the hell out of here, dude. Who are you? I'm up 11.

For right now. Dude, I've been running this blacktop for, like, four hours right now. You're going to come in like, yeah, you know what? You should shoot it like this. And then he stays after that. He's like, all right, guys, let's do this. All right, let's do another game. Like these kids are like, who is this dude who's just fucking walked out of nowhere?

It looks haggard is all get out. Haggered, man. Looks like he's been up for three days and he's like, you know what? Let me teach you guys how to play a little basketball. I got some techniques I like to teach you. You're like, bro, we were going to play one more game and I have to get home for dinner. Yeah. Annoying, man.

I'm telling you right now, if a coat, somebody stopped me when I was 10 and I'm winning the game and you try to show me, did you not see that I just made the last four shots? I'm balling. Swishing these. Get out of here, dude. Get out of here. But that kid was really nice.

He was like, oh, you shoot like this. And then he wets it, and I'm sure the kid was going to be great. But it's supposed to represent Coach B. He's finding his getting back to the basics of his love of the game. Yeah.

He's like, I want to go back to teaching kids. And they say he what teaches like a high school or something. Yeah, yeah. Get out of here, man. Good. And do that. So you ruin these kids' career.

Now you're going to high school. and then you're going to try to help get out of here, man. So your wife, your ex-wife hates you. She's done with you. Your life fell apart. Do we think they ended up getting back together? No. He lied to her one more time.

That was it. She had already divorced him for lying and doing bullshit. And then he did it one more time to her face at dinner. He was like, no. No, she was the best ex-wife ever, though. Like, he could just, like, show up whatever and be like, I got to crush some tape. Drink her top-of-the-shelf alcohols.

You got some of that top-shelf whiskey. I'm just going to pour myself a little something. Not even ask. Yeah. Like this guy, he did not feel like he was divorced from that woman. Yeah, it was crazy.

They're like going to romantic dinners. There isn't a point where they're at dinner. And then she's like, just what, two duforses at dinner. It's like, yeah, why is that that like you're announcing?

You're literally like saying, why does it seem like you spend all this time in this guy where he's like knock on your door at one in the morning like, Jenny, hey, how do you know, Jenny's not, you know,

a little busy right now. Like, I said check, you're not tied. So, So I got to ask you, what did you think of the movie in general? Scale of 1 to 10. What was your, you know, you've just seen it for the first time.

Yeah, I've seen it twice. I'm giving this a solid out of sports movies and different stuff like that. I've seen it. I liked it as a kid, so it brings a little bit of nostalgia. I'm going to give it a solid. I got it. It's not too good of a movie because it's not legal it around. It's not.

It's not. I'll give it a 6. I'm giving it a 6 out of 10 because the star power in this really does keep me in the movie. It's like I'm watching. It's a lot. It's Shaq. Larry Byrd shows up out of nowhere. Larry Byrds just cooking in the middle of a field.

Coosies on the movie. Like I guess, yeah. So I'm going to give it a six. It holds, there's certain parts where it gets a little preachy, a little slowdown. So it was good, but. Yeah.

It unmoved me, I would say. I felt, I left it feeling pretty unsatisfied. I mean, I knew of this movie for a long time, obviously. So I'd always kind of noted it as like a legendary thing. I think the problem for me is this coming in the 90s,

which to me is like the pantheon of like great sports movies. And we've done a lot of them and we will do more of them. I think this happens right in the wheelhouse of when sports movies are absolutely cooking. And there's something that makes this movie feel dated and it misses the mark of what made sports movies fun and cool at that time. Okay. It has a very preachy message, as I've said, that like tries to hammer home the point of like, how dare anybody try to break the rules of college athletics when even as it said in the movie like everybody knows everybody was doing it was a shitty corrupt system that was meant to take advantage of the players and it shows that in real time in this movie i don't think nick nulte is very likable as the main character the only times that because he's as i said he's just a very grunty angry man which works as a college basketball coach because a lot of them are like that but also it makes it

You not really want to root for him. The only time he shows signs of, like, at all, like, charm or happiness is when he goes over to visit his ex-wife and with Jenny's green eyes, it makes sense. Like, yeah, he would try to bring a little bit of happiness in your fucking otherwise miserable existence because coaching does that of the people. That part was good. And then I liked it when he was dancing to the church. That's the other thing I was about to say. And then when he's on his recruit mission, which the other main takeaway of this is, like, the whole recruiting process for college athletics, is fucking wild.

And it still happens like this to this day. These guys got to go around the country, go to these players' homes, and try to pitch their whole family. He goes to Penny's house, and he's immediately bringing the whole family. He's like, all right, let me show you.

All right, we're going to pass around. And is this your daughter? Ah, it's a lovely girl. All right, so you do this. And then mom's going to play the four. And then he, like, literally throws the throat pillow onto the lamp. And then the same thing when he takes Shaq to the church.

Like, he's working so hard. It's the only time that you show, sees any charm from Pete He's like when he's in his He's got all the other recruiters At each of the place that are just missing They're just watching like Like the drive by one where he's the driver

Larry Bird and Ricky Rowe And then he waves and it's like Are these coaches all just like all traveling together They're all in French Lick Indiana today So like just watch this random Fucking parade happening right now But yeah like the process He's got him

Me there's that one coach You like when he first goes to see Butch which by the way that arena that Butch was playing in, that penny, that overhang around the top of the court, I think it has a dope look. If you got a small gym, have you played in the gym like that before? I've seen a lot of our high schools kind of had a, like, an upper deck kind of thing. Because if you're going to have a small gym, like, yeah, hanging around the edge like that would make it feel like more like, oh.

That gym was, Amy Miller versus Foll High at Fulhigh gym had that, and the gym was packed, even for the freshman games, it feels way more packed. man it was they're all up on hanging around you yeah that's got to be a that was it that's one of my best memories of coaching in high school was that kind of feel from that kind of arena for sure but sure for sure so he goes in there to like go see the uh richard gossett junior the priest coach he's like oh my boy is strong and he gets good grades it's like who's who's paying yeah who's paying who's paying the most and that one guy who i don't know who he is but he's clear because i recognize some of those coaches yeah jim bayhine and coached tarkanian and then there's

this other guy when Pete walks in and he's like, I think we're in trouble. I think we're in trouble. Like he says it twice and I'm like, yeah, you're not an actor, I can tell. You're a coach. They're like, they told you say it once, but you were like, I'm going to really explore the studio space on this one. All right, gentlemen, what am I big? Give me $50 for the strapping young boy, 17 and getting bigger every day. Dig deep in your pocket, gentlemen.

They say he's a potential All-American. And he can read and write. The boy can actually read and write. He got 1,250 on his SATs. It ain't no problem either. It ain't named Abdul Ramad X or nothing like that. The boy's actual name is Butch. Now with a name like that, he ought to have him some freckles.

Now, what am I being, gentlemen? Dig deep in your pockets. Dig deep. A, B. Step inside. We're in trouble. I think we're in trouble. Yep.

So, yeah, I give it probably because the 90s had such cool movies. at the time and this movie feels like immediately from the very beginning I'm like why is this it's crazy how dated this feels just the way that people look to it's shot it feels like it's close to the 80s to me and it shouldn't be it's a 94 and a lot of other movies being made at that time were so much more colorful and charismatic and this one just felt a little drab to me I didn't like the overall messaging Nick Nolte wasn't likable and the music fucking sucks dude the only song that was good was the one we started the episode why do you think we started with that that's the only good music

Like, otherwise it's this like basic ass bluegrass background noise, the whole movie. And like he's going to go visit Penny's family in like the streets of Chicago. He's like going to the hood. And they're playing this basic ass bluegrass music. And I'm like, dude, you have an opportunity here to be like, yo, we're going to the hood. We're going to Chicago in the streets. And I was all this like graffiti around everything. We're in the 90s now.

Hip hop is absolutely cooking. Get an NWA track on there. Oh, yeah. There was definitely some good. Some fucking Raphael Sadiq on the mat. Get some DJ quick. Techronic would have been there. Sure.

There's so many music was absolutely blazing at this time. It was on fire. They just couldn't bring it for this. And you just have the same basic as background. I think it really pulls the movie down as like a feel. Think about like the way music carries like Space Jam, for example. Like it's a huge component of that movie and it feels like so much more fun. So one out of ten, what do you give it?

I'm going to give it a four and a half. Wow. Yeah. I really wasn't impressed by this movie. I just liked seeing the only thing I really liked was seeing the stars that show up in it. Star Power kept this movie. The basketball players in their element, like Young Shaq, young Penny. Yeah.

All those other players that I would end up saying, young Rick Fox. The coach from Indiana. Oh yeah. Bobby Knight. Bobby Knight. Larry Bird making a random cameo just to be like. So that doesn't push it. The Star Power doesn't push it to the five for you? I could get it to like a five.

Can we say that I missed that about movies? we've said this before, the 90s brought real players into the thing and that you'd have like 10 different players in the movie. And look at the butterfly effect. Because they decided to go for star players that were up and coming, it resulted in Shaq wanting to recruit Penny to the Magic and they did it. And we ended up with one of the most epic combos. Everybody talks about Penny Shaq.

It's still a legendary. Penny member, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. And I have a top five that got brought out of this movie because Shaq watching this movie, watching Young Shack, those two-handed throw-downs, the most authoritative dunks

of all time. So top five for what? Top five authoritative dunkers in NBA history. Straight up just off the visual of like you watch it. Top dog number one's got to be Shack and then everybody else behind him.

Shack is obviously number one. Okay. Young Shack, especially the way he would just like get in the pain like fight his way in. Yeah, yeah, got, got, got. So the Dudley clip. quick so the Dudley could.

Here's Shaq. Against Dudley. He's not even foul, and Heath has got overpowered by Shaquille O'Neal. But Dudley is now joining with Shaq and threw the ball in his direction. Man, if you want to pick somebody to go with, you go right to the head of the class when you go after Shaq. Yeah, so I'm talking about that one. Just toss him around. All right.

Who's your other four? Number five. Maybe I just try to guess one. Yeah, yeah. Let me say, let me say, let me try to take one. I don't got it. Go ahead. All right.

I have two O-L-I's, you know, which is like. O-L-I? Yeah. Outside looking in. That's what they like to say with, like, the tournament when, like, they're doing the bubble. They're like, oh, they're O-L-I. They're outside looking at. So they're not four, they're six and seven, basically?

Yeah, I don't have them in the top five, but they have to be mentioned. Who you got? Vince Carter. Oh, okay. I mean, you've razzled dazzled. He's got one of the best dunks ever in history, okay? I mean, Pete Vince Carter was like, like, can you talk about, like, put on the game. You're going to actually.

See highlight The top of the backguard Guaranteed. Russell Westbrook He just has some Angry dunks Those are like guards Who you got for the four though

You got some Strong dunkers for this five Let me see that Let me hear your 54, 3 2 And Dominique Wilkins is another one Who just like Would throw down with fours He's a O-I or whatever

O-L-I yeah That was close All right so Is that oil? No Oil is I L-O Anyways I'm terrible spelling

Anyways Who are the four All right So we got Andrew Bynum? Bynum couldn't throw down. Oh, okay.

If I got out of here. Oh, I got to go Dwight Howard. Who's in there? Dwight Howard is pretty good. You're not putting him in there? No. What? Okay, hear me these four then.

I got to hear these four. Because Dwight Howard in his prime was nasty, and he was fighting Shack for the Superman and fucking talking. I can't believe you're not putting him in the four. All right. So I got, I'm going to put Dominique Wilkins in there. Okay.

Dominic Wilkins, the 80s was just, he's the king of the, like when I was the youngest kid, I remember being Dominic Wilkins. He went up. contest. I give it to him. Who else? I got to give it up for young KG. Minnesota Timberwolves, Kevin Garnett. He had some nasty throwdowns and he just looked like mad about anything in his

post career we've seen Kevin Garnett just like seems like he's angry and aggressive at all times. He used to come out. He was getting fights and knew like actually he doesn't fight. Because again, nobody, he never got challenged. Nobody ever tried to fucking fight KG. Nobody wants to fight him. Then he was tired. He's like, oh, actually I don't do this. Yeah.

All right. Two more. All right, young KG. And then I got to give it up for Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin was nasty. Blake Griffin in his heyday, he had like three, four years there where like you couldn't get through a game without him absolutely destroying the rim

with the most epic throwdown ever. And your final? Sean Kemp. Okay. Do you remember Sean Kemp back of the day? Yeah, I give it to you. I'm putting Dwight over Dominique, but I had to give a legendary status there,

but either way. Honestly. My O-L-I. I was close. Got to give it to Dwight. Dwight, I got you dog. You were obese when you were nasty. Honestly.

Neek, Russ, and Vince were all fighting in that last spot. So I could have just, like, literally said the Mount Rushmore of authoritative dunkers, Shaq, Blake Griffin, Young K.G, Sean K.G, Sean Kemp. That's my Mount Rushmore. Sean Camp had like two years, but those two years were. When he was on the Sonics, like that, no, I don't know. He was early to mid-90s. He had about a five-year run there where he was just, they called him the rain man.

And he would just, the way he got up there, but it was the way he threw it down, man. Like he would hurt. And by the way, have you ever dunked on like a low- rim. That ball comes right at your face. I got a black eye once when I was a kid. I'm just like throwing it down. I mean, I would watch Sean Kemp and I'd be like, I want to do a rain man dunk and that shit just hits you right in the face.

All right. So I think we covered the movie. Should we do a little final notes cleanup? What did I say last time that I would call this? Cleaning off the final note sheet. I have a little sound way. That's what I like to run through. Just make sure I cover all the.

the quarters that I had about a run it down go would you just turn something on me yeah you're behind me now all right down it's good this helps because then I could see if my hair looks okay because sometimes I can't see my hair until after I do it and then it ends up being like it's like going like this we have double head here yeah I gotta fix this lighting usually you got a pay triple for that kind of action all right uh let's see awesome with a capital A baby let's go awesome with a capital A baby it's splen doberus That's phenomenal. I mentioned how they use a bunch of real players with the real names, but in random schools.

It's crazy work. Did you ever, you're just looking out? I feel like I'm a high school photo. Yeah, but doing it with the side selfie view, while you're just like looking off like this, it makes it all the funnier.

Did you ever have basketball practice where they came at you with brooms to try to like, oh yeah, yeah. So, so. So, I used to, nothing like that, but me and my coach used to purposely have our freshman try to do layups on us, and we would block the shit out of them.

Yeah. It was so fun. It's like, it's like, like, Shaq when he's at the, with the kids in, like, the kindergarten. Yeah, yeah. And he's, like, playing with him and some kid tries the sheetsling in the hood, into the trash can. He's like, block them. Oh, man. But I can tell you this, my kids out of the Hall of the Freshman League were the best layup.

Like, they had the layup line down. They could get, well, they just knew how to, like, adjust to the littler kids than we were. And they'd be like, oh, layup. Our team got so good at lay. Like any layup, they would come in and make the most amazing layups because we were blocking the dog shit out of them during practice. Like, it was a game thing. All right, time to block y'all.

Then you got to say it worked. It was an effective strategy. What it was. Do that with your guys. Freshmen, try to block your guys. They'll feel humiliated. They'll make every layup in the game. I guarantee it.

It's such a fun. I miss that. That's one thing I missed blocking a shit out of the freshman. Yeah. Anyways. All right. Yeah, the broom thing was cool and stuff like that. And then later in the movie when he's at practice,

for some reason, Nick Nolty has a full-on, like, golf club. Like, what, were you chasing around with that? Like, they're like doing like, forward, forward, forward, back, back, back, back. He's got a golf club. Is that supposed to make him, like, try harder? Like, what the fuck is that? Uh, I always love it when conversations just pick up from one scene to the next. And it's like, we're just supposed to assume that like life went on. Like, so he's at the dinner table. He goes and visits Ricky Rose house. They're at the dinner table. And Ricky's like, yeah, you know, I'm not even really sure. I want to go to college. And then the next scene they're like walking in like the field and he's like so what do you want to do if you don't go

to college and it's like the next they just picks up it's like what happened in that last hour you guys just didn't you didn't address that question until like an hour later like I might have a question about that but hey can I have some of these peas actually thank you we'll talk about later when we walk together I always love a movies do that uh did you see that guy named slick who brings him who's like uh let me show you I got a little I got a player you need to see and he's the one that brings them to the new shack. That guy's name is Slick. You know what's cool about Amazon Prime is like you could actually pause it and see

what the actor's name was? I did. I was doing that a little bit in the movie. Slick's name is actually Silk. Oh, wow. With a C. Silk Cozart. Oh, wow.

I feel like I've seen him in other movies. He's like, yeah, he's like that guy. He looks familiar. I feel like I've seen this guy. And he's always playing a guy named Silk or Slick. Yeah. So it makes sense that that would have been his real name. The Dolphins is such.

a weak-house name weak i thought that too man what a terrible uh name did they go the crowd yeah yeah weird again with these universities fake university names they can't even have they why do they always have to have shitty names that western texas was the cowboys and shitty colors i mean they clearly look like they're supposed to be ucla with like they're being in l a and they're they basically had ucLA's uniforms yeah but they had ucel i'm surprised UCLA wasn't in this movie because that team at that time was awesome the 95 brulins were first made me love march madness That the brothers? Yeah, the Obanenna brothers.

I remember them. Ty Asedney, Toby Bailey, Cameron Dollar. I used to love that team, man. That was the first one that I mean, like my dad used to take me to those games when I was a kid. That was what made me love the Bruins and college basketball in general. The recruiting pitch when they bring them all and they do the announcers, saying their name.

They raise all their inches by four inches each player. Got nothing from what the pitch they do at he got game when Jesus Shuttlesworth goes and visits a big state. Still have not seen that. I've got to see that. I mean, come on. He literally do a whole. video of Jesus walking on water.

Like Jesus Shuttlesworth, he's like walking on water and everybody's like, our savior. And then Rick Fox brings him to a dorm room that has a couple of prostitutes. So Jesus got a way better experience. Ricky Roe would have loved that experience. Rick Fox was in that one and this one? Yeah, he is.

Oh, crazy. Rick Fox had a nice little acting cry. He was also fantastic looking and... He was a good actor. He was also an Eddie, I think. Yeah. Oh, we got to watch that one, dude. You've always told me. That's another one I haven't seen.

I haven't seen that one a long time. So I need to watch Eddie. You need to watch He Got Game. And then by the way, there's no way that you're getting a better movie out of that than I am. Because he got game is a way better movie. It's whoop. It's wippy, dude. It's not the cell you think it is.

All right. How many more you got, man? How many notes you get running down here? I mean, that's about it. I can't tell if this movie's bullshitting with the whole grades thing. Or that was a thing they actually like tried to be like, like, as though Shaq needs to get grades to fucking be on the court. Like, you get shack on their team. Like, get that guy in the fucking game, dude.

It was either class like talking shit. Like, oh, but his grade point average. He's like, shut the fuck up. He's seven foot four. 320 pounds. He will tear down your rim. Oh, yeah. Like he needs to get A's.

Get the fuck out of here. You're like, that's the thing. This movie has this whole preaching. Yeah, like he needs to be tutor, which by the way, another reason that she's a great ex-wife. Like, she's willing to tutor your player for free. For free. For free. To get onto the court.

That's crazy. Jenny. Best Jenny in a 90s in a 94 movie, which is the same year that Forrest Gump came back. I'm going to say I'm giving it to the other Jenny. What Jenny? Jenny from Forrest Gep. She is a nightmare. Very dynamic.

Oh, my God. She will ruin your life. And meanwhile, Janie will be like, we can be broken up and you can still stop by it whenever you want. And have some whiskey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's about it. I just feel like, I mean, right now. We're rated.

Do it. Check it out, guys. March Madness on its way coming real soon. And then this one does a pretty good job of, like, giving the playoff atmosphere in certain parts of the movie. I do love that it gets you hype for college basketball. I feel like it is missing, like, a big game. Like, it doesn't feel like any of the game. games are very consequential.

The final game was good. Yeah, but it was just like a regular season game. They said Indiana's number one. That's it. They had to beat the top team. But it wasn't like the championships on the line. Didn't even feel like it was a tournament game. I did think when I first offered this movie and said like we should do blue chips.

I did think it was a tournament movie. Yeah, it feels like it should have been. I completely wrong about that. I wanted to see what Butch and Neon and Ricky did in the tournament. Yeah. What could you wait until after season to say something? Yeah, dude. What the fuck?

It's a shoot job. But let me see if I can win this. No, the guilt was too strong. I'm going to be an angry grunt. Enjoy March Madness, guys. Enjoy some basketball. And that's it. Coming from the Daseg, DJs, we will see you.

Where'd my ball go? On the next one, I got you. I want to throw that shit down like Neambudot. And next!