Distractible - Boo?!

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

Ah! You scared me! But what does it take to scare the guys? Find out as Wade, Mark, and Bob discuss what makes something truly horrifying. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Morgash Mark deftly deconstructs the art of the unknown and displays his exhaustive understanding of the subject. From iron lung and jizz trailers to bloody-fingered brain surgery. Yes, it's time for Boom. Now sit back and prepare to be distracted and enjoy the show. Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Distractible. I'm today's hostess with the mostess, Wade, and I'm joined by my co-hosts, Mark and Bob. Hey guys. Hello!

Hi! If you guys haven't been here before, there's a show where one of the three of us gets to host, the other two compete for points, whoever gets the most, or at least at the host's discretion at the end, wins and hosts the next episode. And in this case, it's me. I'm sorry, i just saw something on the subreddit that just i was looking to see like oh what are the what are the people up to and the top post if you go to the subreddit right now yeah yeah okay i'm going to subreddit i just want you

to experience this did you sort it by most recent or just default it's just i went right there just if you go to oh wait hang on let me get there i'm slow for some reason where the hell is there it is i can see why that's on top no i see what they did there yeah i'm gonna outvote that for all the listeners fuming we're not showing what it is so don't worry we're just laughing if you want to know you're you're oh wow it really is wow man okay that's a whole other kind of thing if you guys want a description of what we're looking at imagine mark's iron lung trailer check out iron lung by the way uh but reimagine blood if it were i don't know light gray white okay it just says the title is iron lung but uh with jizz

there you have it i guess it looks incredible mark ah thanks thank you so much i appreciate that you should use their version i should you know i was thinking of recoloring the whole movie um that's that's a good idea a very different movie like this ah well pretty much the same if you think about it i don't want to no think about it wade think about it for a minute uh segue time uh how are you guys doing oh i'm good great you're really making this hosting a podcast episode go real smoothly, man. With small talk like that, who needs enemies? Look, look. Small talk, small talk.

All I have to talk about people don't like, so I'm not going to say anything. You could literally talk about your movie trailer that just came out like in the last few days. No, I don't wanna. Okay, Bob. You already know how I am. You have a baby. No, because we hung out this weekend. Yeah, I know, but we could talk about it. You already know how I am. You have a baby. No, because we hung out this weekend. Yeah, I know, but we could talk about it.

You already know. The viewers don't. The listeners don't. Well, they should have been there. Yeah, they should have been there. I think it was a private event. No, but we did fly with James this past weekend, and it went surprisingly well. It was only like a two-hour flight, so it was not that long, but he done flewed he did not enjoy the being out of his routine as much it was kind of a long weekend

but the flying was great he sleeps in the plane pretty good it's fine yeah it's good you know what else we did wait so we had a baby on the plane that was like dead silent during the flight and then um we took a shuttle from the airport like where we parked our car and uh the same baby was just so unhappy about being on the shuttle and the mom was like you were so good on the plane what are you so upset now and i don't know the answer to that but baby fly yay shuttle nay that's kind of weird i feel like the baby probably has a lot more experience in cars than on airplanes but maybe not i don't know i have no idea as to why there's anything i've learned about why babies cry on airplanes or public transportation it's because they have bad parents oh that is so true bestie that's so true and i stand by your words your brave brave

words uh right oh you all right yeah i was trying to be hip. I think I just stole British English for a minute. I don't even know what you said. Rido, chaps. Cheerio. Okay, all right. Pip pip. So I do have something that's completely unrelated to literally anything else I've talked about. You guys know how I've flown a lot this year, right?

Sure. No. I've never ever crossed this threshold. God, this freaking light. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to do. For the listeners, Mark's light just turned itself off for like the dozenth time today. I don't know why.

And here it is again. It just turns on and off. I don't get it. I can't. I'm not even like connected to it in the app. I've unplugged it, turned it back on, reset it. It still just like turns off every once in a while and then turns back on. Anyway, not the point.

So you guys know how I've flown a lot this year, right? Sure not the point so you guys know how i've flown a lot this year right sure no all right well i've flown a lot this year oh okay go on because i've had to go back and forth between like austin and la and i went to korea twice now and then i was just flying around the country i was in new york and i was just like just got back i've never approached this before but i'm very close to getting diamond status in my airline reward system for non-flyers out there that's a lot of flying what does that get you what i don't know do i get like like i know when you get called up the diamond medallions you get to really board the plane first yeah they get called up with like the military members or something like it's equivalent levels of service you know the guy gets on the microphone is like sure we're gonna be in boarding with our uh diamond sky miles

members and an old lady in a wheelchair is like you know how you get it on it takes me 45 minutes no no this is for diamond sky miles members nobody else has breathed the air on this plane yet this is the privilege they get the only other thing i know is there's apparently a lounge oh do you get to go to the secret club and when you're on the plane they say thank you for my service no for your status your diamond medallion status for your dollars i don't know it's just it's a very strange thing because i've never it's like a gamification because I've never been this close.

But now that I'm, I'm, I'm still like four flights away from getting there. Oh, that's easy. But I'm just like, oh man, what happens if I do? Do I get like, do I turn into a diamond? Do I get diamond armor? Do I get a diamond play button or something? What do I get? Do I get on the diamond plane?

When you get on, the captain gives you some wings like you're a five-year-old, but they're diamond. No, the pilot comes out and be like, hey, I heard you hit diamond. Why don't you pop on my lap while I take this bad boy into the air? Get you a front row seat. Who's a big boy?

Come on, hop off. Okay, here we go. I found it. There is a long list of things that you get as a diamond medallion member really wave fees for bags and ticket changes you get priority when you're trying to upgrade to either comfort plus or first class oh complimentary clear plus membership to go through clear instead of like tsa pre-check or whatever really apparently highest priority among medallion members board immediately uh sky priority suite of services including check-in priority security line access and expedited

baggage service and you get a there's a choice thing i don't know how this works but there's a whole list of things where you can either choose up to eight regional or a combination of two global four regional upgrade certificates uh express statement five hundred dollar card to your sky miles reserve i don't even know what the hell all that means delta sky club executive membership yeah that's the secret club mark we gotta fly somewhere together so i can come with you into the secret club travel vouchers bonus miles damn the only one i even remotely care about is the the delta sky lounge or whatever the hell it's called i don't know the clear getting clear is

pretty good yeah it's not bad but if you just lie to them you can get a free a two-week trial and just use it and then cancel your credit card and it's fine uh but also i just want to go in the secret club so bad we so when we did the tour in australia you remember we we had our like guy our australian guy who was like running the tour for us flies like everywhere everywhere all the time. So he had super platinum diamond status or whatever. And he got us into their secret club where they just had food and drinks and stuff. Was I? I don't remember that at all. Was I there for that?

Oh, maybe you weren't allowed in the secret club. Maybe it was only for the cool kids. I don't know. Yeah, you didn't get into the club. Listen, when I get diamond and I'm able to take like, was it one guest I can bring in? I'll let you guys fight for it. Well, whoever wins that episode of Distractible that week, I'll let in. So the stakes will be very high.

It'll actually matter. It'll be really awkward if you choose one of us and Amy's also with. You meet me at LAX and Amy amy's like why is bob here you're like oh well he just flew out here to fly back with us so he could use my diamond guest pass status amy's like but i was gonna no no go to the gate try winning an episode nerd i don't recall you winning an episode of a prestigious podcast anyway that's the that's the newest thing also it dropped a trailer but it is whatever the the diamond thing way cooler you were right to bring that up first and primarily i don't know the jizz trailers something yep that's good that's that's straight for my channel

the jizz cut as we call it instead of the snyder cut you the jizz cut you know you kept for months you've been talking about the jizz cut and i was like how could you get cut by that but it makes sense now i thought maybe you made like a frozen jizz blade or something but no this makes way more sense is it part of the sequel iron balls oh absolutely i hope i'm not spoiling anything like i did in space this time i apologize if i did oh you don't know anything which is why i haven't told you anything. I didn't then either. You just thought I did. He's told me a lot. He's specifically avoiding just you. I've seen 80%

of the movie at this point. Absolutely. Hey, look, Wade has more foam up. I do. I have one more layer. It's not done, though, so I don't know what you're bragging about. You brought it up? What do you mean? I just wanted to bring it up so I could cut you down with it.

Look, where's my phone? I do, but not all of it, so shut the fuck up, Wade. Yeah, so it's still stupid. Suck it. It's better. Honestly, it is better, but it's still the white line at the bottom is just very disappointing. No, I like it. I like it. This kind of breaks up the, if it was all just one

color. He's lying to you. No, I like it. And also you don't kind of breaks up the, if it was all just one color. He's lying to you. No, I like it. And also you don't need to cover all your walls. We've talked about this before. Only one shows up on camera. That three quarters of an inch thick Amazon foam does not deaden sound very much anyway. It's aesthetic. We all know it's aesthetic.

It's like thicker than that. Unless I've got real baby hands. You're basically an anechoic chamber. Never mind. You make me feel inadequate, Bob. That's why we would never work. I think your foam is fine, Wade. I don't know why Bob is trying to tear you down.

You put it up and you... I don't know. We hung out and had a great time. I don't know what happened. I'm starting my villain arc, okay? I'm trying to tear Wade down with the thing that I know he cares most about in this world. Right, right. Now that I've had my redemption arc and I am the hero of the subreddit now,

I see where this is going. Yes. By the time I finish hand washing every panel and drying it, I will care more about my phone than anything else on this planet. But alas, today's episode is not about foam or me or even jizz thank god though maybe that latter plays a part in a lot of the things we'll be talking about uh but we are in october and we're approaching halloween and i thought maybe we should discuss something on the halloween themage as we get close i wanted to go over horror in general what makes something scary

what are some of the best horror games horror horror movies, horror shows, and what makes them the best? And I've got some ideas and some stuff written out as well, but I want to get your guys' opinions on it. And I've also got a fun little, I think it's fun little thing to add in at some point. We can kind of start wherever you all want to with that. This is not going to be like a you go, you go. This is really just a discussion. So kind of, however we feel like talking about about it the first horror things that come to mind let's name some things get a list going kind of figure out what we think ties them together makes them great wait you know bob has his hand up but just remember he's just trying to cut you down oh okay that being said bob uh what's up uh first of all terrible topic i hate it uh second of all i want to start this whole thing well i am going to engage with this topic

but um i'm not i'm not a horror person i don't like scary stuff in general i find a lot of things in the real world to be scary enough that i don't need extra scares so basically for me the criterion is if something is advertised as being scary i'm just gonna be scared if i watch it and or play it it doesn't matter if it's like the dumbest thing ever although i will say there was one movie that was i think supposed to be scary that didn't get me at all but what was it uh wow what was that called it was the the like sequel of the shining dr sleep so that's called well even if we talk about something that's not scary that's supposed to be we can try to figure out why it's not i mean that's on the same lines if we can rule stuff out

i thought i mean i like i actually do like the shining and i find it very scary and intense and so i thought dr sleep it's like a it was supposed to be like a sequel right or like a subsequent i don't even remember what dr sleep is i think it was like the kid from the shining yeah it's all grown up living in a small town in around the in the northeast or something from rhode island or somewhere small but he still has the shine right he still like does that and there was lore about him having a past where he captured haunted haunting creatures in a box and stuff but like he's the one who like talks with his pinky or whatever in the movie he's like tony's not here or danny's not here mrs torrence yeah that guy he's adult i've not read the book i know the movie is like Tony's not here or Danny's not here Mrs. Torrance yeah that guy

but he's adult I've not read the book I know the book is probably even better than the movie the movie's fantastic I was prepared to absolutely shit my pants at that and I thought it was tremendously unscary which I thought was just weird because it's supposed to follow The Shining which I think is a very classic and iconic scary film but yeah like if any other than that one movie if something's supposed to be scary I'll probably be scared even if it's ridiculous and terrible so i'm not i'm not a good test audience for this but i'm happy to talk about it you've got some experience we've done multiplayer horror games and other stuff like that so you still have experience in it i it's hard to define what is scary this is like why a lot of projects out there are exactly i wanted to start with a list of things

we find scary that we can try to find similarities okay okay i would it's hard it's hard nowadays because i've played so many scary games that i i honestly have a tough time defining what is scary and it usually breaks down to like scary moments in games that i find to be uh pretty horrifying um or in movies that i find to be pretty horrifying trying to even remember what's the last horror movie i watched which is is, oh, okay. So I, I actually watched hereditary, um, after we were done filming iron long, it was kind of one of those things where I was like, yeah, I should watch some horror movies. So I watched hereditary and there was a few things in there that I like really liked. There were some things that I like were okay.

I'm not saying this bad movie in any way. I think it was like a very interesting horror movie of the, of the things in that movie. I think the ending was very Unscary except for one moment like like you guys know what I'm talking about. Have you seen it? I have not so everyone out there by the way spoilers alert because there's gonna be a lot of spoilers about different movies and books And things here so just be ready for that, but I know what was hereditary about okay hereditary Well, it's hard to exactly say what it's about. So it's a very convoluted subject. It's about this family that's trying to bring into the world some kind of demon that this whole cult has been trying to reincarnate in a body this whole time. And yada yada.

That's the whole basic plot of it. It's like this family unwittingly serving this cult to bring it out. But there is one moment that I think a lot of people know about that is either really scary or really funny, depending on what your perspective is. And this is what I say a lot about horror. It's like horror and comedy are very close to each other. They're both surprises. Usually one is harmless. One is harmful.

You know, it's like it's like it's your brain wants to evaluate a threat. And if it's evaluate something as a threat then it like kicks you into fear mode and if it doesn't it's like oh it's almost comic relief there's a moment towards the end where there's just like it's it's i forget if the camera is like slowly panning across but there's this dude that's just like in the doorway naked naked naked uh show us and he's like gotta be the light right here he's like wait i think anyone who's seen that movie knows what i'm talking about that's not exactly a spoiler but it's like i'm having a hard time envisioning it can you do a real to life demonstration yeah let me drop trial right now all right everyone go to spotify right

there are so many people watching episode ever. It's so, it's such an interesting moment because it is funny to me, but also it is unsettling. It's both at the same time. I think that a lot of people probably walked away because just like, just like the fucking confidence to have that shot so prominent. Only the hereditary smiling naked guy. There's probably a picture of him. Yeah, it's something about, number one, the lighting is very, very creepy. The

way he is, like, framed up in the doorway just in the darkness is just like... I hate that I'm googling this, but I'm googling this. Oh! Yeah, it's scary, right? But also hilarious. It's like, at first you're like, what the... What the f... it just makes you go

what the fuck he kind of looks like ronald reagan and orville redenbacher had a child it looks like like the i think he means the anime the like drawing rendering of orville redenbacher on the packaging of the popcorn i see but i he looks like he he just said uh pepperidge farm remembers you're right That actually is an apt description. It is terrifying, but it is funny. You're right. It is both. It's so weird.

And I think Hereditary is a good example. There are many very scary moments. I love what they did with hiding things in the darkness and not emphasizing it with a jump scare or something like that. It's something you discover. And I think that's a lot of things that that horror movie does better than others in terms of instead of like shoving it in your face, let people notice the thing because that is a scarier experience, even if most people might miss it.

If people do see it, their instinctual like brain is going to just like kick them in over there being like, is that a threat? And I think that's what makes like hereditary is a scary movie. And there are some scenes you could pick it apart of being like scarier than others, but overall it's a pretty horrifying experience led by really great acting. So I'd say like that, that's probably like,

I would say that's pretty scary movie. I like that. Okay. I'm just Googling still frames from that movie and I'm having a strong urge to look over my shoulder. I don't like it. That's that means it's being somewhat successful. If still images are making you do that that would definitely be a thing if i if i was gonna say something about horror that i liked just without having seen

that movie just from the stills and from what you're describing mark being willing to put something out there that's not just like a loud jump scare moment where it's like someone could see that and think oh well that's not that scary or see it and think it's funny or just like confusing or whatever i think that is good horror to me because it's it's not just like boo gotcha it's like off-putting and as those moments accumulate over the course of a good story like the more off-put you get the more you're like uneasy in a way that's harder to put your finger on and then you'll have more reaction to the scary moments that happen because i'm sure that movie has jump scares of some or you know someone gets killed or whatever it's about like summoning a demon

sort like i'm sure they go through the tropes of what happens when you do that it just like the still frame is kind of like oh weird but i could totally see how if that if that just showed up for a couple frames in a movie you'd kind it, you'd be like, what, huh? It would be unsettling. And it's great because it's like the pacing, I think, is good because it accelerates the unsettling. And it kind of like it doesn't provide a lot of rules for its universe. I'm not exactly sure why they have to be naked, but they sure are. But I think I think if I remember about some of the behind the scenes was like, yeah, originally we had all these like robes and stuff and we kind of made a last minute decision, which

is a crazy thing to ask all of your cast, you know, to last minute. Be like, how about instead we just have them all be naked? Yeah, you guys don't mind, right? Go ahead. I will say the like flowy robe aesthetic in scary movies is super done. That's not scary because you see that as like a cliche of a thing that's supposed to be scary. A fully nude person in an unexpected place doing something that's really off-putting

or terrifying. Kind of like a new fresh take on the like weird look at the human form that you're not really supposed to see in a general setting type of thing. Because you never see a fully naked person like hanging from the the ceiling or do or like murdering someone else you're usually wearing clothes usually flowy ghost robes or something like oh that's interesting yeah so that's that's my contribution for something at least recent i think you both contributed bob you also mentioned uh he didn't mention anything i don't remember him saying anything i contributed a lot at least as much as mark probably more he tried to knock you down i mean mark brought up the whole topic so obviously points but i was gonna say you both

contributed but okay thank you so for me one of the first things i thought of whenever i was thinking of this topic was the first alien movie i've been replaying alien isolation recently and alien isolation on replay i was like i've played through it i remember it being a really cool game i doubt i'll find it really as scary the second time and i have surprisingly been mistaken it has gotten me like worked up nervous like oh god like even though i remember a lot of the big hits as to what's to come there's still like small moments i've forgotten over the last like eight years whatever it's been um and it's been a fresh fun take almost again even though i've already done it the first alien movie whenever you have no idea what's happening just all of a sudden like we're introduced to like

strange things going on and then if i remember right the first introduction of the aliens in that movie isn't even like a xenomorph it's a chestburster right it's one of the little crawly doodads unless you count all the unless you count the that's the chestburster right little crawly face yeah but i meant before it actually it does but they show us the one on the face first they might they probably do oh yeah because that's what leads to the yeah so you get the face hugger first then you get the chest first i don't even think you see an actual like alien alien until like the end but the whole time you have no idea what is going on what it is even if you know alien it's like

okay alien doesn't tell me anything like what is it what does it want how do you stop it what is it doing like there's just so many questions as to what's going on i think that's a key element of horror to me is not having any idea as to what's happening or why it's happening like we don't know anything about this creature or monster we don't even know really what it looks like and you don't know why it's doing what it's doing and i think that is a lot scarier than when you do you look at the sequel and the sequel is like much more of an action movie it's not. And I think that is a lot scarier than when you do, you look at the sequel and the sequels, like much more of an action movie. It's not necessarily a bad movie,

but it's an action movie more than a horror movie because we know about xenomorphs and stuff. We know why the eggs are opening. Like we have the tension and anxiety of like seeing that happen, but the scary, like what is happening is gone because we know that from the first movie and all throughout the first movie, there's just so much tension dealing with only one of these things

because we know nothing about it, even what it looks like or what it can do. And we're introduced to those things as the movie goes on. And I think like you just touched on the idea of horror in general is just mostly, it almost all stems from the fear of the unknown. It's either like unknown that there's a monster or whatever's in the darkness,

or it's like unknown outcomes to decisions can be very scary you don't know what your actions are going to spill into and i think like a lot of horror a lot of horror comes from like the unknown even though there's a whole other side of story where you do know what it is and that's even worse sometimes it's like you know what's coming after you you know you're not gonna survive or you know you're in danger like those that certainty can be just as scary but most of it stems from this fear of the unknown of like you don't fully understand what it can do and your brain is like kicked into overdrive to try to understand it your brain needs to solve the threat because that's the only way it can evaluate it and so a lot of it comes from that i think i think you also need to

have like real stakes for the characters. When you watch like a prequel of something and you know a character survives, you're not as worried for them as the movie goes on. Whereas if the first time viewing something or like watching things in like an order that doesn't have a prequel, I'm not saying prequels are always bad, but a horror movie prequel where they have a character that you know survives, you don't have that same anxiety and tension around them because you're like, well, I know they make it.

Maybe it's scary and scares me and whatever along the way but i know they make it and that removes some of that element because yeah like you said it's all it's all unknown the unknown makes things scary as soon as it's known it's like okay other things that came to mind for me uh i don't know if any game has scared me as much as the original outlast did i played through amnesia i played through soma i played through outlast uh the first fnaf i thought was pretty scary but again it's more jump scare and anxiety for like the jump scares coming i think than like setting there's just the build-up of like oh shit i didn't get the door closed or my powers out whatever but outlast there's something about the claustrophobia of being locked inside and then you've got a mixture

of characters that all look kind of similar that are like the different inmates and you don't know which ones are going to come after you and which ones are like just doing their thing and there's just so much like i don't know and being stuck inside there's something to me about being stuck inside that also adds something because outlast 2 is also scary but you're outside and to me it's like oh god okay at least we're outside i could run through the grass which you can't do but in theory you could your brain tells you you can definitely one of the games that comes to mind and the other ones i mentioned soma amnesia until dawn the first until dawn but have you played the bunker a bunker amnesia the bunker i have not look i i i know like amnesia the dark scent wasn't everyone's cup of tea but amnesia the bunker is one of the first

games in a very long time that terrified me really it's just a very distilled experience of amnesia boiled down to um the most harrowing cat and mouse game you could probably play it does like any other horror game after the initial phase of scare and once you figure out like okay it's just a monster that's programmed and i can figure out ways around it the first few hours of that game or at least the first hour or two of that game that horrified me i and i've played a lot of horror games in my day but it's just like that one for some reason it's the sound design it's hearing it crawl on the walls knowing that you're not safe ever like when i you have this safe room in the game there's a bit of a spoiler but you have a safe room in the game let

me just tell you straight up it's not safe you think that it's safe and it's so beautiful a moment when you go in that safe room and you think that okay at least i can get here and then later in the game you realize and i won't tell you how but you realize that place is not safe you are not safe anywhere from this thing what you thought was your home base is a lie and it's just like all of these layers of the way that they kind of like get you and it's not a long game it's a very contained experience it probably it took me like i don't know like five hours to complete it um but yeah it's just such a smooth beautiful experience outlast is good and like i didn't find as scary as maybe you did but it's like it's definitely a

horror game very gore i could literally only record it i was doing 15 minute episodes at the time and i could record it i was what i literally was watching the clock the whole time waiting for the 15 minutes to be up so i could stop and then i would have to do something for an hour before i could like go to bed or record more because like my heart was pounding so hard gotcha yeah well i did not like horror stuff like i was in the bob department of like scary game um don't really want to do it but for some reason i started i think it was because i was like emulating you to some extent because i was like i don't know how to be a content creator mark's doing scary games i guess i'll try those because like outside of like the typical like i don't know call of duties and twisted metals and diablo too it's like i didn't play that many

different games i don't know i was trying to figure it all out and figure out what who i was as a content creator so stupidly tried following your footsteps to some extent and was like this sucks this really sucks so your channel is just copycat of Mark got it thank you explains all the episodes of settlers of Catan yeah he just deleted those you can find them

listen I got stuff that's scary okay something that gets me this is more like this is another probably like cliche honestly but like so one of the scary movies that actually still scares me but i like it as the franchise is paranormal activity not because they are particularly good as a whole collection but because on like one of our i think it was our first valentine's day or second valentine's day mandy and I watched Paranormal Activity together.

And I made a whole stink about it because I was like, I don't do scary movies. It's too scary. But it's like a thing in our relationship, the Paranormal Activity franchise. And so, but the thing, and they do this in those movies a fair amount, but this is a trope in a lot of scary stuff, inanimate objects. And not like, oh, it's possessed or something. But like in, I think it was in the first one or the second one there's a pool cleaner it's one of those automatic pool cleaners where like it has a suction hose and it just goes like and like clean hops around the pool and cleans it and at a couple different moments like pivotal moments in the movie it gets taken out of the

pool and it's like a bait right because the one of the characters sees it and is like that's it that's supposed to be in the pool and goes out to the pool and is like i'll put you back in and it's like that sort of thing where inanimate objects are the tools or traps or just like get messed with but are not in themselves dangerous i hate because i see that sort of shit in everyday life and it makes me lose my mind. I talked about our vacuum that we got recently. It's like one of those Roomba style vacuums where it vacuums by itself.

It keeps turning on at four in the morning. It's not scheduled to turn on at four in the morning, but it keeps turning on at four in the morning and I swear to God, it looks at me. It's docked in our bedroom along the wall and I swear to God, it turns on. It's docked in our bedroom along the wall and I swear to God it turns on and it goes and pulls out of the dock and it just does like a little calibration,

but it looks right at where I lay in the bed as part of that. It goes and then goes, it looks at me. And when that happens at four in the morning when you just fell asleep at 3 30 because you had a crying baby all night it's scary and i don't like it but like that sort of stuff happens in real life and it's just a coincidence in regular life but when it

happens in movies then after i watch that movie or whatever every time something happens i'm like who did that oh shit it's here that's a trap i going to fix that. It's a trap. It wants me to fix it. No, I think that's good. I think you and Mark both brought kind of brought up a similar point there, Mark with the safety room. And then you with that, it reminds me of an episode of, are you afraid of the dark? Which was a, like a scary kids show on Nickelodeon back in the nineties. For those of you out there that don't know, there an episode about i think it was like a high school that was built on like a native american burial ground or one of those tropes and the pool was like haunted people would go swimming in this pool like a high school pool with like the different little lanes and stuff like swimmers and they'd

catch smallpox i don't think they did uh they didn't live long enough because there was a goopy horrible pool monster that would come up and like grab them and pull them under oh that's way worse we had a pool at that time in my life we had a swimming pool my mom was like yeah don't swim in that whenever i'm not home but of course my friends and i were like we're gonna go swimming however after seeing that dude i didn't even if i had a friend and my mom i was like dude i need like four other people here to watch me swim because like if that thing grabs me i need a whole fucking village to pull me out and it scared the shit out of me because the pool was a safe place i never had any reason to be afraid of the pool

and when safety like a safe room or a pool or a vacuum or whatever when that shit's turned against you it's like something you didn't even contemplate could be dangerous. Now, all of a sudden is like, oh, fuck. Yeah, but that's just my pool. That's just my safe spot. That's like it's awful. It's awful. That's the other thing about horror that I love is some people think it's super complicated. You got to do something incredibly convoluted to scare people nowadays. It really isn't.

I can go swimming in my pool and I'll swim and me, a 34 yearyear-old adult man, can be swimming. And in an instant, I'll be like, I think a shark got in this pool. I got to get out of here. And I'll be clambering over the sides as fast as I can. It doesn't matter the logic. It's I think a shark snuck in. In the instant that I got in the pool, I checked. I looked around.

A door opened in the bottom. And a shark flew into the pool. Because that's what they do. They fly. They fly in and I'm dead. And if I don't get out in two seconds, I'm eaten. And that's how easy it is. People listening at home.

I could tell you there's someone standing behind you. You didn't notice him at first. When you came into your room, you didn't check every corner. There is someone standing there looking at you. You didn't notice him at first. When you came into your room, you didn't check every corner. There is someone standing there, looking at you. And if you turn around, they're really gonna be pissed. So don't do that. No matter what you can do. It's okay though. They're in flowing clothes,

not naked. Oh, they're naked. Oh, they're so naked. Never mind. You're fucked. And they're smiling. Oh, their smile has grown bigger because they're listening to the episode at the same time as you are and they know exactly what they're saying. They know you know they're there. They're waiting for the moment for you to turn around. And anyway, that probably scared a bunch of people out there.

Not everyone, but it probably did. Talking about what's scary in pools. Imaginary sharks is one thing. Have you ever had a leaf on the surface of a pool get stuck up onto your skin with water surface tension and then stick to your shoulder and you couldn't figure out what's touching you? No, I don't think so. Leaves float on pools sometimes, right? They'll float until they sink. If you like swim up under a leaf

and like stand up in the right way, it'll go from floating on the water to like being on your skin. And it feels like something, like it's just tickling your shoulder. And you're like, oh, oh, but you can't see it because it's just tickling your shoulder and you're like oh oh but you can't see it because it's a leaf on your shoulder it's it's it's scarier than it sounds i had a uh frog or a toad dive in the pool and i was like diving to pick stuff up like at the

bottom of like little rings or something and i remember like looking up and i just saw something like coming at me and i couldn't tell like how far it was how big it was just freaked me the fuck out and i swam up it was just like a little frog just like chilling but that scared the shit out of me i if i've ever had a leaf stuck to me i think i figured it out quickly enough where it didn't freak me out too much oh dude a scary thing happened last night all right so this has happened a couple times in my life but specifically last night we were in a hotel um we just got back from traveling today last night at like 11 30 p.m isn't too late but we have a baby so he was already asleep for a couple hours at this point at 11 30 p.m some like kids some like middle school kids

were staying in the hotel i think but they just slammed our door like we were staying in a hotel the door was locked with all the extra security locks and then we're just sitting manny and i were sort of laying in bed like talking kind of falling asleep and it was just like and like i heard feet footsteps running away right like i know that a human did it but that shit has happened to me multiple times how many people slam doors in hotels are i just really unlucky that's never happened to me it was scary i've heard i've had noisy people in a hotel but i don't think they've ever slammed into my door i will say i don't know if this worked or not we didn't know if it would but we did try to prank

you two nights ago we we got back from uh we went to a wedding we all went to a wedding together and we got back from the wedding and i guess there was another wedding that same night another wedding party was staying in our hotel the manager of the hotel we were staying at was like a fan of this podcast shout out to you if you're watching uh and one of the wedding groups had extra flowers and they were like we don't have anything to do with this i can't take them back to my fiancee because yada yada so here have some flowers so you guys smashed the flowers in front of our door and scrawled out you're going to die in the dirt that spilled oh no that was someone else that did all that but we did bring them up and we took an empty uh cardboard container and i i one of our friends wrote the word flowers on it and put it on top of the flowers and we just set them gently in front

of your door i didn't knock i didn't touch your door i just set them there and i was like either someone will clean this up before they get to see it or they'll just be like who the hell sent us flowers it was a really harmless prank in theory but i don't know if you ever got to see them no we did they were fine no one bid on the you're gonna die a bit but that's fine well i know i didn't do it so i wasn't gonna let you wait so did you guys but this is uh this actually did happen did you guys tell them that we wanted um like room cleaning service early the next morning or is that unrelated because we know that morning did you have a thing on your door because i think they just do that if you don't have a thing on your door we had the do not disturb out because i hate when people come in my hotel room and at 7 45 in the

morning our phone rang and it was the front desk and they were like uh did you order early room cleaning today no we did not do that to you no and and then she was like also they said you have flowers in front of your door. Click. We left the flowers. We didn't say a word to anybody. Knowing that you have a baby, we were not about to fuck with your like sleep. So no, there was no knocking.

We simply put the cardboard board with flowers and just set it down in front of your door. And I was like, either they'll take it and clean it or they'll get to see it. Just be confused. Ha ha. Harmless prank. Did nothing else. That hotel was haunted as shit man i'm a bad hotel i don't know how much time and i don't have anything to relate with um the story but i i just remembered a dream i had the other night and i want to talk about it because you guys know i have nightmares a lot and this is just a

common thing a lot of people probably know out there but i went a stint without him for a while there i think i was just so exhausted every night. I was barely dreaming anyway. But I had this dream where I wasn't in the dream first person perspective in my own body. I was watching a video that was recorded of these events that I was in and I could see myself, but it was like I wasn't watching past events. They were occurring real time.

Very confusing. So anyway, I was in the video that i was watching which was just imagine like i'm not even like looking on a tablet it's just full screen in my brain playing but i'm from the camera's perspective and i see myself running around doing something i don't know we were in like a house or something recording something and there was this lady that was recording that i did not know this is blonde and she had extremely like thick curly hair. Looked exactly like ramen noodles. You know, like uncooked ramen

noodles. Like blah blah blah. As hair does. More ramen than hair. Anyway, so we're running around and then I slip and fall. I see myself slip and fall in the video and I smash the back of my head into a table. And I am like in pain in a way that I know I'm in

pain, but I'm not in pain if that makes sense. know I'm in pain but I'm not in pain if that makes sense but I'm seeing and I'm like oh guys stop recording not recording and this lady just like gets closer and closer with the camera like zooms in and I can see like the back of my head it's bleeding and the like the skull is cracked open I can see the inside of my head and she's just like still filming and I'm telling her like you gotta stop recording like you gotta call a hospital or something and then not only does she do that She starts peeling away pieces of the back of my head like the skin flaps ripping them off Um, and I can feel it. I'll buy I fucking stop that rips more rips more until my brain is exposed

Reaches in with the camera right here pulls out what looks like this like about I don't know't know, three inches long, a gray veiny sack of something. It looks like she literally just took some of my gray matter right out of my brain and pulled it out. And when she did that, when it was like, it was like, and then snap, I woke up. And I've been having this thing where when I wake up from a nightmare, if I look into say a sliver of light through the door, I'll see letters and numbers suddenly go flying by at like maximum speed i want to know if anyone else has that phenomenon like you're fully awake and you know you're awake and you see this yeah i'm awake and i look at the light and there's just letters and numbers flying by and like like just a whole random assortment the matrix is breaking my dude

and usually it was only in a sliver of light when i woke up from this one and i felt like that thing snapped my whole ceiling in the darkness was just covered in letters and numbers sprinting by. This is all true. I'm not bullshitting. I mean, it's not true that there were letters on my ceiling. I hate that a lot. I really dislike that very much.

But I don't know what that's about. But I remembered the dream and I remembered it so specifically because at the very end of it, this lady fucking looked dead in the camera and looked right at me That actually was my dream and you know what I remembered I had this exact same dream when I was a kid I remembered it so specifically because You know that gray veiny sack that I remembered being pulled out of my head I remembered because I was scared of that as a kid. That's something my mom ate in her ramen.

It's a fish's egg sack. And I remember because I looked up a picture of that and it's so weird because I back traced it to my nightmare as a kid. And I'm like, oh fuck, that's what that was of my nightmare when I was a child. It was, and that's why the lady and I said she had ramen like hair is because literally it's, I've never had a dream be so literal of something like from my childhood.

It was this weird, if you look up like an edible fish egg sack, you might find this gray one that's been cooked and it looks like what could be brain, but it's, it's an egg an egg sack um and she would eat that in her ramen and that's why i had this dream and i've never had anything so yeah it's awful like it doesn't look very edible i don't know what if i found the right thing but hello hey it looks like brain right it'll in a way it looks like kind of no yeah yeah that's very not pleasant yeah so if uh for everyone listening look it up at your own peril. But I literally had that dream as a kid, not the exactly same as looking through a camera, but in a similar way of falling, cracking my head open and having someone pull a piece

of my brain out. That's and I was like, oh, that's what that was. Who's the ramen and the fish egg in it? Oh, OK. So anyway, yeah, that's a dream I had basically don't know about the numbers though the numbers and letters are very weird that is a strange thing no that seems super bad i'm not gonna lie and i don't like that it escalated either like that's not yeah that's the thing having connected nightmares where there seems to be like lower building and stuff is a sure sign that you're definitely going to die as a character in a horror movie.

Okay, good. Like you're in trouble or you're about to kill everyone who you've ever known and loved. Stop. Don't laugh like that. Were the numbers and letters like glowing? I mean, it just depends because usually I only saw them like if I wake up and I'm like half asleep, if there's a sliver of sunlight or any kind of light that I can see, there's letters in the light.

This one I was looking up. I was lying on my back when I woke up. I looked up and it was just letters and numbers on my ceiling. Like it was that was more than English. Actually, that's the funny thing. Usually it was English. But as I was learning more and more korean occasionally i would notice oh there's a korean letter in there i would notice that that was a weird thing so it's something

with the linguistic part of the brain i just don't know apparently it could be i love this for a fact it could be something called a hypnopompic hallucination hypnopompic that sounds awesome it sounds like something mark would have i don't know if that's pronouncing it correctly. It's H-Y-P-N-O-P-O-M-P-I-C. Mark is the very definition of hympnopompnic. Oh, yeah. That's probably like any kind of like waking nightmare seeing shadow people. This one just I often have what I what I can only describe as geometric nightmares, which is where it's a nightmare that is not in any way tied to like visual or auditory memory. It's like shapes and weird geometries that make my head hurt and feel really nervous.

Wait, I know what you're talking about. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, I it was not super recently, but I had I never dream like I don't ever remember my dreams. I don't really have nightmares. If I do dream, it's usually a nightmare. But like once every couple months, I'll have a dream that i remember the last time i had a nightmare i remember waking up and just having that like really unsettled like had a nightmare really unhappy

kind of freaked out geometric nightmare is how i would describe it and i don't know how else to even explain what the experience was exactly but i But I 100% get what you're talking about. Is this a thing that other people have? Very rarely. This has happened like twice, maybe three times in my life. It's like, imagine, okay, you know, in 2000. I was going to make a joke about this too. I was about to just be like, I thought it was a triangle.

No, that's it. But it was three line segments. It's literally, that's like shapes and graphs but they aren't like regular ordered it's just like yeah no it's like surrealistic like weird melty things yeah it just to me it felt like like um like like cross-dimensional almost or something where it was like i was oh i i i took it personally as like oh i'm seeing some my brain is trying to like show me things that are like from another dimension or i'm perceiving something that's like freaking me out because it's not it's not in our reality but it's in like some

you know uh some it's hard to i don't know but like that's that's how it felt if you google like geometric nightmare there's some images that kind of give a vibe of what i saw in my dream there's like especially some of the top ones it's not quite like that because that's even that is like too organized for what the dream was but it's like oh kind of like that oh the first one that comes up just like it made my whole everything shiver is it the cuby green one the the orange one the orange one that's very like swoopy and there's like glowing sun kind of in the background yeah that one yeah that's the one that i think is probably the closest that i would say that is absolutely like down the right path

in terms of like capturing what it's called geometric nightmare fx by g adam orosco apparently it costs four dollars it's a print or something but the thing is like i can kind of remember vibes of visuals i couldn't tell you a specific thing because there was no specific thing it was just a lot of specific things or a lot of unspecific things it was like being slowly overwhelmed by like an emotion but it had like geometric affiliations with it where it was like it was as it got more complex or intense that it would change like i felt like i was seeing something but it wasn't it's yeah weird it's interesting that you both have that because mark you're not usually you you have a vivid imagination like i do where you can picture a red apple with a bite being taken out of it and you can smell taste all that whereas bob you don't so it's interesting that you both have the same kind of nightmare there

well i think the it's kind of like a commonality because it's very removed from anything i wouldn't even really consider it like a visual thing it's it was very much like what bob was saying like it ties into like a lot of like emotional or perceptive things um that are not visual based i would take any other ordinary nightmare over that experience any day because that was far more i don't know scarring's not the right word but jarring upon waking up and being like what in the fuck am i dying for i would say for me yeah it was way it wasn't like a horror movie it wasn't like a scary thing that happened it was like it was way more existential like i was like for a day or two after that i had that lingering feeling of like confusion and unsettled feelings about like what was that

experience what am i feeling i feel i don't know it was like hard to describe but it was like looming it was a feeling it was a looming afterwards i've never had a nightmare like that all of mine are always very much like i've had third person dreams before like mark mentioned where i can see myself like in it most of mine are first person sometimes i'm not me but it's still a first person view but i know it's not me but i always see hear communicate like i i have full experiences of like existing in whatever the reality is where I've got like full perceptive ability and like I don't know if this was a nightmare or not I can't remember but I had at least a dream not too long ago and I don't remember exactly what happened but I woke

up feeling very sad and like all I could remember was like the name Abby and I felt like Abby was a family member that I lost and the best I could relate to like the feelings I had where I don't know if you guys have ever seen the Star Trek episode where Picard like lives on a planet and like lives an entire lifetime like with a species and then like wakes up and it was none of it was real. It was all just like a thing to like that the species had created that their culture could live on. It felt like that. It felt like I had lived a lifetime away from myself. And when I woke up, I felt the loss of like some people that were important to me in that lifetime that weren't real. But like for three or four days afterward, I just like I kept like I had this knot in my stomach, like I lost somebody I cared about. It was very strange. I don't know

if it was a nightmare, but it was just one of those strange like perception things. But all of my dreams and nightmares are always like that. They've never been just of like the idea of an emotion or like vague imagery. Yeah, well, so we already did an episode called Dreams and Nightmares. So I'm not I'm not copying that. But since we're talking about it, they can be horror or really. Is it weird that I never, ever in my dreams have that agency? I'm never able to talk or communicate or even most of the time. I don't even really feel like I'm there.

I feel like more like I'm observing, like I'm I'm like I am the camera kind of like Mark was describing to me. Yes. But in general, probably no, because like if I tell you Apple, you said like you don't visualize an apple, you don't picture anything in your head. And there's like diagrams of people that picture a flat red like circle with a green thing. It's like, oh, OK, a really rough idea of an apple. And there's some people like a picture, a whole apple with a little shiny bit on it and a bite taken out and like a worm

chewing through the leaf they have a whole like detailed imagination of an apple i can visualize that i can even hear the crunch and taste an apple in my brain if i'm trying to oh well those are the main things that i imagine when i imagine it so don't brag about that okay so you have those parts just not the image yeah no yeah is it is it sad now that every time a fantasia comes up i get a little bummed out because i realize i'm never gonna be able to imagine an apple have you tried i was just trying literally wade was just describing it and i was like i closed my eyes it's it's a great vast emptiness in here like aside from little sparkles of like light bleeding through my eyelids in a

way that just like triggers my optic nerve in a weird way nothing spoiler alert though if you have an apple and you go take a bite of it that's the same thing as what i imagine it's just like that but that means you can eat as many apples as you want i kind of but it's not like a lingering like i feel satisfied there's like a taste it's more like a fleeting moment of like oh yeah that's what it's like and then i kind of lose it i can't really hold it for long i can hold the image but like the other parts of it it's hard to collectively put like me eating a whole apple like i can't really do that i don't really have much taste imagination so i can't really get behind that it's not specific though it's like the it's like the sweetness of it's almost like whenever i had

covid and i could like feel the sweetness i can imagine different varieties of apples and how they taste the tart the tart bite of a granny smith a honey crisp and how it's like more round and sweet and really good how a red delicious is like mealy and kind of gross but sweet in like a dull way those are like the main things i think about i guess when i'm because what i when you say imagine an apple i'm like oh like a gala like a honey crisp or like a red. Is this a painting apple or am I going to eat this? Because it matters. I think I have way less in terms of like taste and even like touch.

I can't really imagine too much. But I think it's like purely in like visual and audio is like what the majority of my imagination is. Yeah. And I wonder if you have it stronger for like that because you don't have the visual component. You're like making up for that lack of sense in your imagination so you have a stronger other imagined emotion or uh sensations i don't know kind of a thing that the brain does naturally i think so that would make sense yeah i don't know that's my best guess because i have the sensations but i can't hold it like i couldn't imagine eating a whole apple and having the

actual flavor i can get the strong sensation of salty, sweet, tart, that kind of thing. But like if it was something more bland, like imagine I'm eating like a fettuccine pasta or something, Alfredo pasta. It's like I can kind of taste it. Guys, theory, theory. I'm scared of everything. It's because I have aphantasia. I can't imagine what anything looks like.

So while I'm experiencing things, as soon as I have it in my head, it's like, oh, there's a ghost. But then in my head, I'm like, what does a ghost look like? Which one's a ghost? And then in real life, my body is like, oh, we don't know. It could be anything because I don't know what it is. It's just a feeling. And the feeling is fear.

That's interesting. That's an interesting thought, though. Maybe. Because if everything's always unknown to you because you can't picture what it is. It's just a feeling and the feeling is fear. That's interesting. That's an interesting thought though. Maybe. Because if everything's always unknown to you because you can't picture it, that's... What does a ghost smell like? I imagine bad,

but it's hard to say. My brain just cannot wrap around aphantasia. Like I get it, but I don't... It's hard for me to put myself in that situation because I can visualize. So like I can describe something, but then I kind of picture what I'm describing.

To not have that which just kind of confuses my brain it's the dead end i can't get past that's interesting but to kind of wind this back to the the horror what's scary what's not i already wound it back beautifully to horror what do you mean why did he really did he really did yeah he did but we're getting back to the descriptions here that goes back to fear of the unknown we have unsettling things like the smiles the naked the geometry seeing someone feeling someone peel apart your head and pulling that's unsettling that's very unsettling i think unsettling things can be scary i think jump scares are scary when they're used correctly you can overdo it with jump scares they just get annoying or you just get like frustrated by it i know we both played some horror games mark and bob you've

probably experienced things movie shows whatever they have too many jump scares or watch people play it they get me every time never see it coming they get you but like eventually they become less scary and just more like fucking stop like i don't know i get that emotion with it where it's like enough can you do anything that's not just a jump scare that's cheap it gets cheap after a while yeah it's the same as like if someone shines a bright flashlight in your face they go you're gonna go god why are you doing that it'll make Yeah, it's the same as like if someone shines a bright flashlight in your face, you're going to go, why are you doing that? It'll make you react. It's just not scare.

Yeah, eventually the horror part of it just becomes like a knee jerk reaction and you get angry about it. But I think when used correctly, jump scares are good. I think tension, building of tension, both with sound, with sight. Sometimes whenever we know something like a character doesn't, like we know something bad is around, but a character is just like waltzing through a park in the fog at night. And it's like, don't you know, like the serial killers in here, what are you doing? Why are you here? And they're like, oh, my phone's ringing. It's like, don't make noise. Sometimes that tension can be scary because you, you know, something, the other, the other character in the show or movie or game or whatever doesn't that can add fear i think tension's a good thing i can't live with tension if i was if i was a more outspoken person i would

absolutely be someone who yelled at movies because i whenever whenever i'm in that situation where i'm watching something and i know and the character doesn't internally uh my brain is just like don't why but on the outside i'm just sitting there like sweating just like oh god we need to have a group movie watch where we i know what's gonna happen why is this stressing me out i really do want you guys to see once it's in a good state to actually watch all the way through which is very close i want you guys to see iron lung and just like gauge your reactions on it i'm excited to see it i'd be i'd be fascinated to see how you react to it that'd be fun yeah i'd never so i didn't play the game and I haven't watched anyone play the game yet. So I'd be going in fresh unless I play it in the meantime.

Oh, that'd be interesting. OK, that's not a knock on the game. I just I've had a lot of things I do. And honestly, horror games or anything that's kind of like that. It's there's there's got to be a reason for me to play, especially solo. Solo horror is not my vibe. Multiplayer horror. Sure.

But solo. I did aliens. I love the movies and the lore and some of the other ones i played because i was just an idiot but i don't like being scared at all don't enjoy it all right boom ha got him now he's scared you can see it i want to i don't i do and don't want to have the numbers effect now though like the numbers thing the letters no i don't like that that's not good that seems bad well that doesn't that doesn't scare me that's actually kind of fascinating i often just look at the light i'm like wow that't like that. That's not good. That seems bad. Well, that doesn't scare me. That's actually kind of fascinating.

I often just look at the light and I'm like, wow, that's weird. That's super weird. It's not really like oh, the numbers! Oh, don't walk towards it. When it's doing that, Mark, don't walk towards it. That means the portal's open. I've never tried that. I've never tried to get closer to it. Oh, don't! I'm gonna get closer to it. We never

heard from Mark again. He woke up at three in the morning from a crazy dream and the numbers were in the door and he was like oh i'll try and then he disappeared this is this is fascinating so if i do suddenly disappear for any reason you all know why that i was not bullshitting about these numbers facetime bob on your way so he can see what happens no because if i do that if i wake up too much enough to call someone i think the numbers and letters would go away. It's more letters than numbers. So I don't know if numbers are scarier, but it's mostly letters.

It's all bad. It's all a bad sign. It's not good. I just got to jump in when there's Korean letters. You know, I got to like, wait, OK, because there's very few compared to all the English ones. So I go like, all right. OK.

OK. Oh, it's the Korean portal. I know I'm OK now. It just seems like rare. Like I'm trying to land, you know,'s the Korean portal. I know I'm okay now. It just seems like rare. Like I'm trying to land, you know, on the double zero. It's the shiny version of weird number letter portal. Yeah, if I gotta go for something, I'm gonna go for like the rare one. It can't be scary if I barely understand what they're saying.

Unless that would be the death one is the rare one. It's like mostly survive and then I'm aiming for the dead zone. I feel like there's a lot of speculation here about what would happen if you approach this door all right i'll tell you i'll tell you if i make it you know and if and if he disappears forever we'll know what happened couldn't be anything else it's definitely the numbers portal just make sure your affairs are in order before you go into the portal nah all right never mind fuck it make everyone else deal with it not my problem i'm dead Or in another dimension. Either way.

Man, we went through this episode fast. I guess we did kind of, we went off tangent, but kind of like borderline and then kind of brought it back for a while. I have a lot of different movies and shows and things I wanted to talk about, so let me just shout out Edgar Allan Poe. Has some really scary poems and short stories. It's kind of mind-boggling when you read

something really short, how even something like that's not very long or like drags you in can still scare you. I'm not going to go into specific examples because too much to go over. Stephen King novels. I don't know if the first movie, the more recent ones. I don't know if it was super scary, but I really enjoyed the first movie. Second one was OK. First one I thought was fantastic.

Are you afraid of the dark haunting of Hill House? Shout out to those two shows. Haunting of Hill House might be one of my favorite horror things I've ever seen or been a part of. Horror movies. I had Halloween, Friday the 13th, Psycho, The Exorcist, Shining. I did have Paranormal Activity and Alien on there. The Grudge and The Ring. Games I think we went over most of them that I had on my list.

Outlast, Amnesia, Alien Isolation, Dead Space. I think the first Dead Space was pretty scary. FNAF, Silent Hill, Resident Evil. A couple of Resident Evils are scarier than others. Resident Evil, Soma, Until Dawn. So shout out to some of those things that we didn't get to talk about. I also wanted to talk about something

that's kind of like a fun little Catch-22 real quick. Catch-22 is one of my favorite concepts. I read the book when I was in high school and I just love it. It's like whenever you are stuck in a loop and there's just not really a way to break the loop. For example, in this experience, the question would be,

in a horror movie did you see the monster or the villain if yes usually people would say the experience is cheapened because the monster can never usually live up to the hype or the fear the tension built up to its like release few exceptions i think xenomorphs are pretty scary if the first time you encounter them but usually you like see the monster it's like oh that's what they're after that's not as good as i thought but if you don't see the monster it's like you feel cheated as an audience because it's like dude we never fucking even got to see what was getting them like we watched this whole two and a half hour fucking movie they've been like hinting at this horrible thing we never got to

see it well that's cheap and so the catch-22 is whether or not you see the monster it's cheap both ways so there's just no winning that particular thing i thought that was interesting because i hadn't considered it as a catch-22 but it kind of is because you really can't win whether you show the monster or not um man let me look at points here i agree points i don't know i don't know if he can redeem himself that hard i think you both contribute a lot i think obviously mark has more experience in the horror genre but bob you got us on the whole like scary geometric dream yes my scary geometric dreams i talked about hey wait yeah wait what the fuck hey wait a minute yeah i got the points for those that's how that worked wait a minute oh sorry sorry that was mark let me move

those points back no no those were my points you gave them to me already oh interesting interesting i see how it is i think we should both get the same amount of points for that because we were both basically i think you should shut up wait do you know that last thing you talked about that's that's also called the cloverfield effect oh a cloverfield I didn't think about that one that's also a good one bob points hey I didn't keep super like serious track of points and stuff so everyone out there might be mad at whatever but uh I think it was a fun topic I hope you guys enjoyed talking about it I think there's a lot more to be said but just trying to figure out what's scary what makes something not scary because sometimes we'll play a game watch a movie or show and it's like something

won't be and it's like how did it fail why did it fail like i don't understand and then it's like oh now we kind of have more of an idea of why it'd be fun to go on the flip side talk about failed horror experiences too i think but alas um mark you barely edged out Bob there by stealing back your dreams. So Mark, you are our winner. Fuck your dreams. Fuck your nightmares, Mark. That's all I have to say about that. That's okay.

Next time he's going to beat you. You can't beat me. So who knows what I could beat, but I'll try my best for everyone who believed in me. Thank you for everyone who voted against me. I will chase you down. I will find you wherever you sleep, wherever you hide, wherever you go. I will be behind you every step of the way. You think you're alone. I am watching you. And I am just waiting for the moment that you let your guard

down because you didn't believe in me, but you better believe that I'm right behind you. You better believe. I got to say, I think what put you over the edge for me is I actually felt very uncomfortable after listening to your nightmare about the camera and the brain peeling thing. Oh, it was a very uncomfortable nightmare. Yeah, that was not a pleasant one. The actual feeling of horror I got from your description,

I think, was just kind of what put you over the edge. Oh, good. Bob, before you give your loose speech, I do want to say I'm sorry. I hate, I try to always come up with topics I feel like everyone can kind of contribute to. I kind of forget that you don't do a whole lot of horror stuff.

But I put you at a disadvantage and I apologize. You don't mean that. I'm not going to do a loser speech. I learned something this past week that makes me laugh endlessly and I love it. There is a player in the NFL who plays for the Detroit Lions. He's a defensive player. So he's always trying to sack the quarterback for anyone who's not a sports person. He tries to run and get the guy who gets the ball to begin the play.

He runs like Waluigi and it's amazing. Like legs out. Yeah, no, literally he rushes the passer like he's Waluigi. And once, if you ever see it, you can't unsee it because he's literally like, it's amazing. And I love every single clip i've seen i don't care about losing this podcast because it's bullshit and horror is not even a real genre anyway so whatever good topic wade i'm watching him run right now is it the little arm thing he does yeah it's his arms he runs like

waluigi shout out to waluigi the detroit lions defensive end or outside linebacker every time he gets a sack he jumps up and stands over the quarterback and goes can't hear it on tv but he does it and it's really funny if he leans into it and actually does that my god that would be awesome let's get that guy miked up all the all the miked up guys are usually like oh yeah no dude bro yeah that guy mic'd up he's just like wow luigi detroit lions i know you like to watch and listen to distractible here on spotify so uh please just pass that along and please mic that player up and get them to waluigi you don't have to give us credit we just want to see it we have the sway for that yeah oh yeah

yeah our reporter is down on the field would that be tyler tyler is now a reporter for distractible tyler go to michigan tyler you're going you're going to michigan tyler now you're going to michigan all of our go my favorite sports team viewers and listeners please also go over make sure tyler knows to go to michigan and record waluigi don't tell him anything else go to michigan and record waluigi let him know all right well thank you guys so much for joining stay tuned for the next episode where mark will host and i guess we'll see you then uh we have channels mark and markiplier bob and my scrum on minion 777 lord minion 777 merch do what do we have no well no no one day but until then podcast out