Distractible - Mac Vs. PC

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

The age old debate among computer users FINALLY gets addressed... which is better: Macs or PCs? Watch as Bob and Wade debate over which one of Mark's computers should be destroyed IMMEDIATELY. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yes, it's time for MacV's PC. Now sit back and prepare to be distracted and enjoy the show. Okay. Hi! Welcome to Distractible! It's time for Small Talk, starting off with Bob! Alright, hi. Boy, howdy, he said he got a good one.

I do. I have some banger Small Talk, don't you worry about it one I do I have some banger small talk Don't you worry about it Why do I have to follow it up this is bullshit Yeah your small talk is bullshit How right you are He's right I quit

No that's not this episode I know you can hear me I unquit I can hear you hearing me I really just wanted to go off camera to blow my nose But I was trying to make it dramatic so I had a reason You should open your nose and blow it right towards camera Get a piece of plexi and put it in front

So you can do that thing where it splats on the camera I could be Dr. It's that pimple popper I could be Dr. Noseblower Dr. Schnauzhonker I don't like any I'm restarting this episode Hi Welcome to Distractible Do we get to do restarts I don't know it's not time for you to join in we're already taught it's already an episode

we're talking now welcome to distractible I'm your host Markiplier here with another episode. Oh. That's a, sorry, I'm drinking sparkling water. That's a sincere burp that I was a little surprised by. I want to be disappointed but I'm not. I don't know why. You know you're not. Come on, baby. You know you love it. We're here again. Ooh, my package!

I gotta go, nerds. I'm out. See you later well how often does this happen i swear to god he does it on purpose just to create an opportunity for you and i to make another handshake deal but we're already in the midst of one where you're holding on to a free dub steal i don't just felt wrong to use it against knowing that he was owed one for the dead grandma thing you know that would have been disrespectful to his grandmother i think i that would have been yeah no you made i think you made a uh you could

have done it it was within your rights but like you made a you made it upright a responsible decision he better start having stop having personal shit going though, because I want to use it here soon, and I'm tired of him fogging the spotlight. Mark is just manufacturing all of these injuries and illnesses and things just to be more interesting on this podcast. That's what he's doing. Filming on set, and he's like,

but distractible. Boom! Splash some more blood in my eyes and ears! I don't know what to handshake about though Since we already have one in the works Alright well do you want to make a deal that's completely inconsequential To winning an episode maybe or something Yeah sure what you got in mind

Well how can we fuck with Mark this episode What can we do What if we do an episode where like the fewest points wins Like golf rules but you just keep giving points To like me or something next time you host I'm back Oh yeah okay okay okay hey what's up hey what's up guys so much you didn't make any packs or agreement you know

honestly we tried but we've had so many opportunities to do that with you constantly getting packages that we're kind of out of ideas yeah we're looking through our list and we're like dude we're like eight mark packages into deals it It's hard to keep up anymore. How many packs have you made? How many packages do you get during our recordings? Imagine every time you've left the room while we're in the middle of an episode. Probably something happened. I'm not going to tell you what, but just imagine. Okay, I'm imagining it.

Well, I'm imagining that this episode is off to a booming start. Everyone is swerving their cars all over the road. And also Bob has small talk. I do. You were right. Thank you for admitting it. I thought I thought that we were just having a goof and it was just a joke for an episode. Our new house is haunted.

Oh, our new house. So my Mandy's parents live 20 minutes away from our new house right so we're it's in ohio we still we're still in california right now so they're like watching the place right they go over there the new house is haunted the new the new house we don't live in yet is already haunted they go over there and they like make sure everything's good make sure you know whatever make they just check on the house just to make sure and so this is the garage it's gonna show on my phone wow that's hideous there we go this is like a hatch like into the attic of the garage right yeah they went over there one day and they sent us they like panic sent us some text messages and we're like something something moved in the house we think someone's

been in the house i can't we can't tell it's weird it doesn't seem like any no there's no break-in but look look they sent that like a week ago maybe or a week a while ago now and on that day they sent that and we were like whoa, whoa, what the hell? Did the previous owners like leave something in the attic in the garage? And they came back and broke into the house like they had a key or something and got in or what? We don't know. Like what happened?

But for those listening at home. Sorry, listeners. Good idea, Mark. I wouldn't even tell them. The first picture was like, you know, it's an attic access. So you push up on it and it slides. It's just a big piece of wood. And then you climb in the hole into the attic.

The first picture was closed and sealed. The second picture was slightly askew with gaps where I could see the darkness beyond. But it looks like, so correct me if I'm wrong, it looks like in order to move it, you have to lift up and twist it. This isn't just a panel that can shift on its own. It used to be push up, right? It's supposed to be set into a thing where you push up and it goes

into the attic, yes. So it looks like, like my first thought was okay, a raccoon or something. But a raccoon skidding across it wouldn't lift it up necessarily unless they dug at it. Right. And there is a ladder in the garage. According to our parents, they left a ladder or something. I think they went back to the house today. It's the same hatch, more tilted open. Oh, did they reset it when they saw it last time no so this is

on the ceiling of like a pretty high garage right the garage is like 12 foot it's like a tall garage door so they couldn't reach it and and they're not trying to climb up on a ladder or something they just so they left it from the they left it in this condition here where it's very slightly tilted open. That was like a week ago-ish. That was a while ago. They went back today and it's open by like a few more inches. It's way more open. Your reflections are showing in my phone.

Hey, guys. How's it going? I can see the latency. So the house is haunted, you bastards. That's haunted. That is haunted. It doesn't look light. It looks like it's got some weight to it. No the house is haunted, you bastards. That's haunted. That is haunted. It doesn't look light. It looks like it's got some weight to it.

No, it's like made of wood. It's got a metal, like around the edge, it's metal for like the seal. Got a handle on it. It looks like it would, it wouldn't be like hard to open, but you would have to climb up a ladder and like, and move it out of the way to get into the attic.

That thing's going to be out and falling and breaking on the floor soon. So it's either a ghost or someone lives in that attic. That's what I thought it was, if I'm honest. I thought they sold the house and didn't tell Crenfield, the guy who lives in the attic. And then he came out for his monthly trip to the grocery store it was like guys oh no oh god they forgot about credfield oh geez man there is there are so many podcasts that have covered the story of this uh lady who was married for like you know years and years but

all the while kept her lover in their attic and he lived up there for years just in the attic, not ever leaving, not ever doing anything until waiting for the husband to go to work. So he could go down and have sex with the wife and then go back up and live there and listen to them have sex. It's a there's a whole cavalcade of stories. So like that's dedication right there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yikes. No, that whole story is extremely interesting, to say the least.

So you're saying we got an addict sex guy? Is that what's going on? You might have an addict sex guy. That's not a sex addict. It's a sex attic. We have a sex attic in our house. But that's why they're leaving it more and more disheveled because there's no one to fuck in the house. So he's just going back upset

and he's like, fuck it, just like slamming the door. Yeah, what your parents didn't see was the hand come down with the come hither finger. And then slink back up into the dark. Why isn't anyone coming up to have sex with me? It's four o'clock.

It's what the ladder's there for. Come on. So this guy's a real motherfucker. All right, minus 10, boys. Oh, you're right, but I don't like it. It's funny. No, like it is, but not in a way that makes me laugh. So I don't know what that means.

Like, you're 100% correct, though. But that also just, like, made me sad maybe too sad anyway all right wade your turn for small talk oh uh beat that idiot everything's a competition yeah well my, my new computer is haunted. Oh. While we've been filming podcast episodes, it keeps shrinking down the windows and popping up and trying to open up what's called like desktop one or desktop two. And I don't even know what that means. But it will just randomly like zoom in, pop up with like this, which version of desktop do you want?

And one like has your faces like way in the distance. And then there's a blank white screen. And just about every 10 minutes or so, it tries to do this. And I don't even know what the fuck that means or how to access it. Did Molly plug like a Bluetooth keyboard into your computer as a joke?

She's sitting upstairs just being like, knock, knock. That's the other weird thing. I went upstairs to like tell her about it and she's not here she didn't message me to say she was leaving and we currently have like some construction stuff going on so i know she didn't like drive anywhere why does that mean she didn't drive anywhere because we're literally like blocked in for like the day oh and all of the doors are locked and it's like she should be here did you tron molly into your computer that's the only conclusion molly it does the thing it's all

molly if you're here show me desktop one or two that's not her it's someone else uh well we'll never know but i've never seen or known that that feature even exists. And my computer just keeps trying to do it. Therefore, it must be haunted. That is the only conclusion. For this small talk round, I'll give Bob five points. Hey! But I will also give Wade 20 points right now because his small talk is the perfect segue

into the topic of the today. My wife's a computer? No. Tron? Well, not in Tron, really. Because today we are going to settle the eternal debate that got fired up in the last week of us living, not the podcast sequential releases.

All right. Mac versus PC. the last week of us living not the podcast sequential releases mac versus pc we are getting into this debate it has been a long time coming because i even mentioning even mentioning that i got a mac like i people just started instantly having this gut reaction to it some people are you know it's just kind of like oh, you've gone to the dark side. That was actually a quote that I heard. And then other people were just like, what are you thinking? Going to Mac?

Are you crazy? People are actually mad that I even considered. Well, I mean, beyond consider, but I was I was even talking about it publicly. Consider that and then accepted and then did get a Mac. And then enjoyed it. Yeah, so I want to talk because it really is something where for the longest part of my life, I've always been Windows. I'm proud to be a PC guy.

I'm proud. Oh, I don't need stupid Mac. I can't. That's dumb. That's so no no no and then for the purpose of my job i found that mac was easier in fact that package that i went and got is it more mac it's more mac oh god can we all talk about some other like brand competitions like coke v pepsi and stuff no no no don't no don't stop wait because i feel like we've talked about some other like brand competitions like Coke v. Pepsi and stuff? No, no, no, no, no, no.

Don't stop. Wait. Because I feel like we've talked about this kind of before. We have not. We've not talked about Mac versus PC specifically. Specifically, no, but it was Touchstone. Was it? Was it?

In my episode, the this versus that. Did we talk about Mac versus PC in that episode? It was at least brought up. Ah, whatever. Pish posh. If we settled it then, then I don't remember. And I don't think we settled it then. We're here to settle it.

Because at that point, I wasn't a changed man. My eyes have been opened. I'm hoping that one of you can help close them back up and see PC behind my eyelids or something like this. I'm going to build a contraption that does the opposite of what the, what the old clockwork orange contraption does. Yeah. Yeah.

Keep them shut. You got to spring load your eyes shut. So you don't see nothing. Be like alligator jaw. Just keep them close. Okay. So really I, I am curious because it was kind of ingrained and I don't remember where it

was ingrained into my brain when was i brainwashed to be all about pc and why was that a point of pride it's the same thing for all the stuff like i talked about in one episode it's like it's brand loyalty people pick a brand and become loyal to it's like the playstation versus xbox it's the same shit mac versus pc was pc was established mac came along a lot of people liked it then like the people that have been historically on pc were like no no no no that's not that doesn't really well i guess true mac was around before right but it wasn't the apple one or whatever like the original apple pc one of the first consumer home computer products where it wasn't like something you had to solder

together yourself or something that where you plugged it into a tv like a like a commodore 64 where it was kind of a computer but it was kind of not the same as like a personal you know what amazon i'm not talking to you i call my i call my alexa computer so this is going to be a long episode oh i think i scared her away when i scream at her she turns off completely the white turns off and she's all fine fine and leaves for a while in our lifetimes though i didn't grow up thinking about mac as being a computer that you could like we had one i think like the old um floppy disk you put on a floppy disk and play like some old games and stuff like that on there but like whenever i think of growing up i think of pc because that's where like internet access first was on the computers that we had

really did max have internet like way back when yeah what are you talking uh listen i don't know i literally had a windows 95 was the first time i accessed internet no so i grew up i grew up in like a wealthy school district right so maybe this is not as universal oh i i my my i went to i grew up in dublin ohio which is like there's a there's a pga golf tournament that takes place in my city right this is the kind of place i grew up so it's a pretty wealthy district but we had like max were the the computers that the schools had we always had max growing up mac os the first time i ever accessed the internet was on one of those brightly colored bulbous iMac computers in like middle school.

I don't recall that at all. I only used Macs except that my dad had like PC stuff at home. But that was, I like came up on Macs. I think it's gaming. I didn't become a PC snob until i started playing games on computer because i was like a console guy right i played i played n64 we had nes snes why i played uh gamecube with my buddies at some point i switched over to pc games and whenever that happened it became a thing where it's like oh well macs are inferior because i've got i play pc games so I gotta I'm a PC guy why did games more so develop

on PC instead of Mac it was because and I have an answer for this it's because Bill Gates saw Doom Bill Gates literally Bill Gates of Microsoft saw Doom and was like I'm gonna make Windows the premier gaming platform he I think went to id Software and was like, let's get this onto Windows 95 and stop being just a DOS game and let's get Windows to be ubiquitous with the gaming platform. And so they started creating tools to make gaming on Windows more accessible. And this started with a software, I believe, I might be wrong about this, but I believe that's where DirectX started. If you know about DirectX, you've seen it install whenever you get a new computer, you play games, it has to install DirectX because it is a Microsoft

piece of software that has a library of instructions that allow for games to interface with the hardware that's in your PC. Each generation of DirectX allows for more advanced features, more advanced communications, like better communication through your systems. And it makes it so the developers have a nice library to pull from to make their games work. And usually game development software has this. So that's where it kind of started.

So when like DOS and Apple, Apple did have games and Apple did still have games but a lot of them started going to windows because it did become windows pcs were more customizable you could have your own graphic card and stuff like that so there is a reason for that okay why people became have animosity towards mac i'm still not 100 sure on but i believe minus some cliff notes i might be wrong about a few things there but minus some cliff notes like i feel like you're right enough that like that's the gist of it there may be some details someone's gonna um actually really hard oh yeah absolutely i'm getting so i'm actually when we were in school mark did we have like we had a computer lab at least in like high school

do you know if those were max or pcs it was pc yeah it was definitely oh really don't you have like ibm like business machine type things yeah just like whatever dell crap where tiny you know the dust yeah you turned it on the fans just blew dust in your face we learned to type an element i think it was elementary school i think i was at um cypelt and we had i think we have like a mini computer lab or something i remember learning to type i remember the only thing we ever went to the computer room too was like whatever that typing software was that learned you how to use it taught you how to use a keyboard mavis beacon teaches typing yeah was that yeah but was that on a mac or is that also pc that was both i think but that i think we i think it was pc i think i just i had a mac when i was like three and i remember like an

indiana jones floppy disk or something like on an old apple but other than that like windows 90 it was always pc in and out of school and i didn't even know mac was like a thing it never crossed my mind i was like oh it's too bad that this thing this pc stuff came through and wiped out the old mac because i would love to play my old indiana jones floppy disk but i thought like apple was dead and then like the resurgence that they had however many years ago now was like that company's still around like i thought they were completely gone i've heard nothing in like 20 years from them what a what a defining experience school computer labs for for were for like our generation and tech wise well that in the windows 95 whatever

pc we had at home yeah the dell the dell box that everyone owned that probably i couldn't i couldn't tell you but probably man yeah those those eras of computing were very strange bob were you gonna say something well i just i have the exact opposite my dad both my parents have software engineering degrees but they they went to they went to college for their degrees in a time where the programs they wrote to get their degrees was like stacks of punch cards, right? My dad always told this story. You have your big stack of cards.

You go to the big room where the giant computer is and you feed your cards in one at a time. And you're literally feeding individual like bites or bits or whatever the hell. Like you're feeding ones and zeros in the form of punch cards into this computer hundreds and hundreds of cards and then you get to the end and you're like and run it and that's how you like open a software right that's how you and like my so my my parents are computer people and like we grew up with pcs in the house but school was always apple in high school they had like those colorful iMacs. In middle school, we had like older, I don't know what kind they were, but they were like older Apple systems that were like old school, black and white Mac OS.

I don't know the systems. The really dope thing, I'm going to out myself even more growing up as a rich kid. We had one of those carts in high school where it was a cart full of those apple laptops you know the like white glossy macbook laptops it was a whole cart and you roll the cart into the classroom and it was computer day in the classroom because you would like you know we're doing a website or we're doing some software for like whatever but school was always mac so in my mind mac is like it's only for education and pc is like home for fun where you play the games and stuff that's interesting yeah mac was completely dead in our household didn't even know it existed after like 1994 yeah and

it's funny bob that's kind of like the mindset that i thought it was too because it was even the ad campaigns microsoft was always like represented by boring guy whatever his name was yeah the guy in the brown suit pc man or whatever the pc guy yeah and he's like i just do work and then the other one was whatever his name is and he's like i'm super cool and i do creative stuff and i like i never really understood the hi i'm a mac i'm a pc stuff but i went like hey i'm not that guy in the suit it's not me how dare you i got like upset at it for some reason i don't know why i have no idea why because it was a targeted campaign and it worked yeah i guess i wonder if it did work it must have worked they did a whole bunch of those i don't know if it did work. It must have worked. They did a whole bunch of those. I don't know if it was completely on purpose,

but they absolutely created Microsoft and Apple, created specific identities for what their operating systems and then so what their PCs were for and represented and stuff. Because I think it's really fascinating. If you go watch all the graphics card commercials from the 90s and 2000s where they're talking about like oh the voodoo three and the crap god the voodoo three you just made my brain go to like memory lane wow there's a very specific aesthetic that's like 90s and 2000s pc part commercials

and it's like oh and you need the sound Blaster audio card. Oh, Sound Blaster. I actually have a Sound Blaster card in my computer right now because it's not strictly necessary, but it has a lot more input outputs and I can use it to manage my audio routing a little bit more cleanly and I love it. I never got the animosity either, but they're completely different things in my head and I never thought about that until today.

Speaking of speakers and sound in general, here's a knock against Apple. So I never thought about that until today. Oh, speaking of, uh, speakers and sound in general, here's a knock against Apple. Uh, so I, I was singing their praises before, but you know, uh, I was, I was, I have my Mac desktop and usually with a Mac book, it has speakers built in. Well, I've got just the computer and I didn't have speakers. So I'm like, Ooh, I'll get the home pod because Apple makes a speaker. It's a smart speaker, but it is a speaker and you play off your phone stuff and I'll hook it up into my computer. I'll use them as computer speakers. They have really good audio. And I was like that they're not too terribly expensive. And this is where I discovered, even though Apple makes a speaker that plays audio that can connect to

its desktop does not mean you can use it as a computer speaker. And what I mean by that is it does not play sound back in real time. There is a two second delay. Even if you plug it in? You cannot plug it in. There is no plug. So, and I get it that the intention is for a different purpose, but this is where like, that's where Mac and I get why people get upset at Mac is because their ecosystem is extremely controlled, even inside of it, that you're not supposed to use it in a way they don't design for. Whereas like the HomePod is a very nice speaker. I mean, I don't really love a HomePod. I don't use it much, but I was like, oh, speaker, computer. They must have thought of this.

No, it doesn't work that way. You need to have a two second delay. So anything that needs live, like, I don't know, editing video and hearing it as you're going can't happen. Two second delay. So that's where it's like, I get the controlling ecosystem is a bit problematic. When it works, it's great. When it doesn't, it's just frustrating.

And they have no speaker solution except for a monitor that has speakers in it. So Apple just expects you to buy what? Like just buy some monitor speakers from some other company and plug them in? They don't? Or buy their monitor that is very expensive and that has speakers in it. I'm sorry, but there is just a 0% chance that speakers built into a monitor sound good enough that I could live with that as my main setup. Very i'm sure that they're like serviceable but that's like good that's like choosing to have laptop speakers as your speakers on an expensive desktop setup

with a nice beautiful display but i you know what this is making me think and not to undercut your whole premise mark i'm so curious if this is like a generational thing. We grew up at a time as kids where it was like, it was always PC versus Mac in different ways. And that evolved. It became Nintendo versus PlayStation versus Xbox, the console wars. All this stuff was like different, right? Because, and maybe it just feels like this, but when we were kids, everything was dramatically different the world of nintendo products was so unrelated to the world of like sony playstation products that you had to like learn how things worked right you couldn't just jump from one to the other if you'd never touched like a playstation console before it was weird all the menus were different the game design like the ui design stuff was all different the cds were weird

i didn't get cds i was like this is for computers that that don't go in there but like kids kids right now or younger people right now who've who've grown up with tech in in like more modern ways is it that different because when i look at like an android phone now and an apple phone now yes the ecosystems are different in the what you're like allowed to do and how things work, but they don't actually, there are not like huge disparities in features, right? The best flagship Android phone basically has all the same functionality as the best flagship iPhone.

They work in different ways, like ideologically and the way that the back end works but you could do all the same shit apple pay is no longer that cool because you have google pay or samsung pay or whatever the camera stuff is all very negligibly different they're about the same all of those sorts of features that were like really distinguishing for a while when we were younger i feel like everything's when we were younger i feel like everything's the same now and i feel like it's the same with consoles they all work kind of differently technically but also if you ignore the switch playstation 5 and the xbox series consoles don't all do the same stuff yeah if you ignore console exclusives they're not that different

they have a similar sort of tech they have a similar sort of tech. They have a similar level of performance. They have comparable specs. I feel like that was less the case when we were kids. Stuff was just really different. When the first Android phone launched, the T-Mobile G1 came out, it was so different from the iPhone and iOS. It was like a different world. It was like, you know, and like BlackBerry was the other smartphone competitor, right? And that was like a different world too nothing transferred over at all they didn't they didn't have similar features in so many ways i wonder what younger people think if this is like we're we're old now and we're all i like mac i like p and all the kids now are like i don't know man i i get what i can afford so pc you have to be kind of a bougie uh person to have apple products they're fucking expensive yeah that's that's actually very true that i was gonna get to the price of

it all but yeah there is you pay a premium for uh max stuff if you here's a big tip uh you can buy apple stuff on their website through their refurbished site. And their refurbished things are almost always 20 to 25% off. And they come packaged as if they're new. And it's like, why buy anything new from them? You can get it refurbished, but only if they have the refurbished thing in stock. That's a good tip. If you could find it, that is a really good tip. A refurbished Apple product, is that more comparable to like Windows products?

Or is it still more expensive oh it's still more expensive it's just cheaper yeah it's cheaper i didn't know i don't know the difference in price it's weird like in college is the first time i really came face to face with max because my ex used one for like engineering and stuff like that so in my brain macbooks were for doing like engineering kind of stuff art kind of stuff editing kind of stuff and it's like oh okay all that creative stuff that i'll never do so i never need to worry about that i'll just stick with my pc where diablo 2 runs and i'm good and that was in my brain but for some reason with phones i'm like a windows snob when it comes like i don't want a mac i've got no interest in

a mac what's mac gonna do for me but phone phone wise, I'm like, I need an iPhone. I need my iPad. I don't want to go with Android. You don't want to be a green dot, green oval in iMessage. You don't want to be that guy. I was that guy for a while. It sucks. Yeah, it was awful for us.

You think it was bad for you. It was bad for us. PC till the day I die. But give me my iPhone and my iPad. Oh, we had to look at that. I thought I lost cell signal. I was like, what is happening here? I need my AirPods, my iPhone and my iPad.

Other than that, I'm Windows for life. See, that's what it is. And then I got this, the Mac Studio. And I know I keep harping on about this, but the Mac Studio is literally changing my perspective of a computer. It is like, imagine you're at a restaurant that has a world record sandwich, like a burger. I already love this, yes. And this is how you hold it in your hands.

That's how big it is. Like it's something you could try to fit in your jaw by opening no no sorry sorry so you got a giant burger of metaphor for everyone listening so spread your hands apart as if you're holding like a a challenge burger at a restaurant you got to finish this in in one hour and you can't do it you're like oh god how do i do this that's how big it is. Which for a burger, huge. For a computer, small. It's tiny. I'm sorry. You were giving an example of the physical size of the actual computer device.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. I thought we were eating lunch. Okay. I thought it was a much deeper metaphor. I'm with you now. No, no, no, no, no. That's it. No.

So yeah, that's fair because I have two desktops in this room. One of them uh currently not even on because i don't use it for this they're fucking huge like if i stack them up behind me they would be off camera tall like and they probably have a similar functionality to your studio i have a discrete i have 40 90s in my thing so i might have better like graphical performance you do you do absolutely but i probably don't even get better video editing performance than you get on your studio because of the the software stuff yeah my computer right here has is it an m2 it's an m2 yeah it's uh actually no i was editing for a little bit on the m1 from two years ago i

just got that m2 that was the package that i got but everything was running fine on the M1 from two years ago. I just got that M2. That was the package that I got, but everything was running fine on the M1. I honestly like didn't even know if I needed to get the upgrade, but I had already ordered it. The computer I'm on right now is a Threadripper 5995, 64 core, 128 gigs of RAM, two 4090s, dual 4090s. Water cooled, I'm sure dual 4090s water cooled i'm sure dual 40 water cooled everything top to bottom i cannot edit the video that i the movie without some lag and some of that comes down to storage some some of it comes out of things but at the end of the day it still lags i have pure nvme storage on this computer and it still lags playing backs just stops and starts, stutters. That Mac Studio, that big, it's silent too. It makes no sound.

Even at full load, CPU 100%, no sound. And it just works perfectly. Everything works perfectly. And here's the even crazier part. It may not have the power of a 4090, but they just this year, like actually June, it kind of went under the radar because more emphasis was on the Vision Pro. But at the Worldwide Developer Conference, they also said they had a presentation about the games porting toolkit that Apple has put out so

that more Windows games can be played on Mac natively. And they run extremely well. They were playing Resident Evil Village on Mac settings, everything top, and they were getting 90, 120 frames a second. That is pretty good. On a chip. Yeah, with no discrete graphics still, right? It's just on the M2 chip. Yeah. It's crazy how good this computer is. It's expensive as hell. Don't get me wrong. It's very expensive. But at the same time, what I didn't realize is, because I didn't care, is the M2 Ultra chip. And this sounds like I'm just harping on it, but I appreciate things from a technical level.

The M2 Ultra chip has the most transistors in any consumer processor available. It has 134 billion transistors. And I'm like, wait a minute. Holy geez. I used to follow chip design on Tom's hardware, you know, and guys, all this stuff, all the tech blogs that I, I listened to, I follow this stuff and I'm like 134, wait a minute, 134 billion, like transistor count does matter in terms of chips. And it's like, this is an ungodly powerful chip. And it's just like, when did that happen? When the fuck did that happen? When did they just pop out a chip that suddenly, and it makes me look at all these other things that I have in my computer. I'm like, what is the point of all this? What is the point of all this? If one chip can do all of that, how is this fair that I put all this shit together when they can make one thing that works better?

And it just makes me go like, why did I, why was I so against Mac for so long? This episode of Distractible is sponsored by Apple. I wish. They never sponsor anybody. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? I, look, there are a lot of tim tim apple's out there loving this right now i'm i believe it there are some things i don't like about apple and that's

fine but i also i'm like i never even considered it to be like my main working computer and now i don't want to use anything else i appreciate you going on such a rant because i will say mark was a mark was a big pc guy we lived together freshman year of college. You had a big PC that you built. That was like just a big mid-tower desktop that played a lot of WoW. You showed me Orange Box. I played Team Fortress on that computer for the first time in my life. I think the reality of all this, and this is the most milquetoast take I could possibly have, but the reality of this is just like everything else in that episode that you hosted,

Wade, where we kind of talked about brand battles back and forth, but not this one, probably, maybe. It's about what works best, isn't it? Like, if it's a food thing, it's about what taste you prefer. If it's a computer thing, the thing about Macs is if you're editing a movie with 90 terabytes of footage, the truth is Mac stuff does that better. I don't know if it's the silicon and the M2 chip, if it's the software, because Mac OS has always been geared towards creative and video editing specifically.

And like, who fucking cares if it's Mac versus PC? You want the most effective tool. And that does include price. So if you can get a tool that does the job, that's a PC for like 1500 bucks and you build it yourself versus a Mac product, which is like $3,000 or more starts at four for the high end one. Like the price is a thing that matters. If you have a budget,

then you get the tool you can afford. Like this is, you're putting a lot of resources into this movie. I mean, you already have, right? The point is, this is supposed to be like a cinematic highest production value, like a movie. This is a movie

movie. Yeah, yeah. So you want a professional tool. You want, I'm sure lots of professional editors use Mac studios because they work really well for it. Like, does it have anything to do with the fact that I don't know how much customization there is in Apple products, right? If you go to build a PC, there's different brands of graphics card. There's different brands of CPU. There's all these different types of CPU, different types of RAM, brands of RAM. There's all these different like Frankenstein things you can get. Whereas Apple, it feels like all of that stuff is streamlined to work together and you have less choice.

Almost no choice, you could say. Yeah, that's a recent change though. Intel used to be the processors in max two three years ago they switched over to their own silicon they've had the m1 came out in 21 or 20 21 but could that have something to do with it too the fact that apple stuff is just made to seamlessly fit together whereas we frankenstein our pcs a bit well i don't know why professionals used it then because as far as i, Mac performance was bad back then before these. This is new. These M1 and M2 chips are actually ungodly. And so I think the promise lives up. So yes, now, because they make their own chip now, it does work better. And I think

like it is just like a more, even more valuable tool. I genuinely am blown away. I will say you're right also, Wade, because even though it was Intel and it was NVIDIA graphics cards back before the... They limited what you could pick. You could pick from a set of approved chipsets and RAM and cards. So there were no driver's issues, right? When you build a pc and you're like shopping and you find some you know you find like an old discontinued evga but it's really cheap and you're like oh yeah well but then you know there's no driver support in two years that sort of shit does not happen with apple because there's they did curate even before they made their own stuff they curated what you could put into apple devices. There are very specific things.

And so they always worked. They worked the same and they may have worked, like you said, Mark, Apple in the era of Intel chips and NVIDIA graphics cards, I never knew them to have like just blowing PC performance out of the water type benchmarks or anything. But you could always count on Apple stuff to work as advertised

because it was pretty consistently the same stuff in every computer, which meant that all the software worked pretty consistently. And there's no viruses on Apple, right? Like, there's still not really virus on Apple, are there? I think that's misleading. There's definitely. Yeah, wait, where did that come from? That's just always been the rumor. rumor that i've all i have like i know that it's not as true as it's as people may think but i've always heard oh there's no viruses on mac and there's no viruses on iphone but there's viruses

on all those stupid android phones and windows computers yeah those dumb windows i haven't had a virus on my computer in like 15 years i don't know what people do and i know what i was doing back in the day uh like when i was exploring the deep recesses of the internet like i know what was going on and i know why i was getting viruses that made perfect sense uh but nowadays like i haven't even where do you even get them i don't open emails from strangers i go to virus.com here let me give you the link oh yeah right i forgot about virus.com sick in my pc.gov i remember that good times good times but yeah it's it is it is kind of crazy uh the the lengths that people have gone to but i don't want to conclude this by saying, oh, everyone shake hands.

That's a Wade episode. I want a winner. I want to know which one's better for the future. I want to know because I'm making a switch and I'm going to burn whatever one I don't pick. So you guys are going to decide if this computer that I spent from where I'm on the website, Steiger Dynamics, that I paid over $20,000 for.

Whether I'm going to throw this into the trash or I'm going to throw my, not even unbox, I'm not even going to unbox it. I will just throw it boxed and all straight into the fire. You better text pictures after this episode recording. You better. What do you record gaming on right now? Your YouTube channel.

That's the thing is with the new games porting toolkit, I might be able to end up recording everything on Mac. Are you currently? Well, fuck you. You don't know what I'm doing. He actually records everything on Google Stadia. I did before it shut down. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. Thanks for bringing it up, asshole. Anyway, no. I guess the answer is no. Okay. a point for for pc so great it was legit just a question but i'll take it you dick wade is pc wade's team pc on this one i just asked a question so bob your team all right you're right. That is what I was thinking in my mind. I put my foot in the ground.

You heard me. There's no questions left of where I stand. You read my brain perfectly, Mark. No, I was going to do that. Look, I rely on PCs very heavily, but I would love it if I could just move to all Apple products because I have an iPad Pro that I use for stuff. I have a MacBook that I use if I ever have to edit anything. I have big giant computers sitting right here at this desk.

I fucking hate editing video on them. I use my MacBook and it works beautifully. I am an iPhone guy now. I would love it. I would go all in on Apple if I could professionally, which I can't. But I'm going to pretend that I can. And I'm going to say, I think Apple is superior. You do give up.

I was an Android guy for a long time. You give up customization. I don't know code, computer code crap. And I find making scripts and things very difficult to make them work correctly. So I'm not like a power user on pc anyway and i do sort of give that up on mac os on ios whatever but the streamline is so good the handoff of app on my phone app on my computer i love apple products they are the best you should just let apple tell you how to use computers and embrace it and fall into the luxurious

pillow of the Apple unit. I can't wait for my Vision Pro headset. It's going to bring all my devices together into one AR fueled fever dream of Apple loveliness beautiful polished A plus

design never made a bad design choice in their entire existence. Keep going. Don't stop. I'm here for the little guy because I put my foot in the sand. Not everyone can afford that. I'm going with the more accessible, affordable option that I know can already run all the games I want to play. When I told Mark 10 years ago, I wanted help getting a computer that could play diablo 3 he and i both knew it was a pc and that's still true with diablo 4 right now probably maybe no they you can play diablo 4 and fuck my argument but it's still more affordable

with pc but it doesn't play very well right now so it's still dude you can play Diablo 4 on Steam Deck And that's pretty cool Can you play it on Stadia? Ha! Ha ha ha ha! Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho Oh my god, Santa's mocking you Oh no! Oh, guys, look, the ghost! Ha ha ha ha ha

What is this? Welcome to Xbox Game Bar! Are you just like resting your arm on your keyboard unknowingly and then stuff happens and you're like, oh, a ghost. I've not even installed Xbox Game Bar. What is this? That's like part of Windows. That just comes with Windows.

That's why Windows is inferior. They include so much malware. Plus, I don't want to upgrade to Windows 11 computer. Leave me alone. Also, is it too late? Is it too late for small small talk because i've got a quick small talk that just happened all right okay well we'll take a break from this animosity and and let you get your small talk out what's up there's a stranger in my house i saw something in the corner of my eye and like disappears like molly and then i got a text from a guy who was like, Hey,

was going to shut off your power. Looks like you're busy. And he's not even part of the construction team. He just was going to shut it off for fun. We have like a generator now. So that way, if we lose power, we have a backup generator and I guess he wanted to test it,

but I didn't even know they were coming today. So there was just all of a sudden someone like walking down my and you have to go like into the basement around like through this one hallway that leads to the power shut off and there was just a leg and like an eyeball and then it went the other way and i really didn't know who the fuck was in my house for a minute there so it turns out after this episode my power gets shut off for a few minutes there's just a man maybe waiting 10 feet over there waiting well that is uh something to consider for the windows side i don't know what but windows is haunted you heard it here first

windows is haunted do you like ghosts do you believe in ghosts get a window i don't believe in ghosts if you turn around you'll see yeah all of this episode really is is just i so desperately would love for apple to give me a bunch of free shit i was wondering i was like this doesn't feel like we've convinced you at all you've just been like apple i love you no that's not what it is that's not what it is i will say um it is just refreshing to be i love new tech i love opening my eyes to new tech and i love seeing progress happen because what i know that this is going to do because and really like this form factor in this thing is going to change everything because if you can do everything on this, I could then take this anywhere. I bought a case, a foam case with two holes.

Did I talk to you about that? With two holes in it, I could potentially have two Mac studios. I don't even know why. But if ever comes a time, but if you were able to do a two PC setup, like dedicated recording, encoding, streaming kind of thing, one playing, one doing, could do it with with these two and then capture card and then it even the case can have a whole display in it it's it just is a better form factor and if the future is bright for that form factor i'm all on board because i'm about better tech for people however i have to burn one of these so uh i think we have another an alternate solution oh it sounds like he already had a solution.

It's not out yet, but it's coming. And we all know it's coming. The Soulja Pewter. Oh my God. I think you mean the Soulja Studio. We all know it's on the way. Oh man, I can't wait for that. He's got to have that Soulja 1 silicon rolling off the factory floor anytime now.

Oh yeah. At the worldwide dope Veloverse conference, he's going to unveil the Soulja studio. Oh man. Sorry for the mic drop, but I just had to say. This Soulja update is incredible. You know, if he did, if he somehow came out with a cpu i would be like i take back everything we've said for the past five years call me sold stradamus because i see it coming i i honestly i'm all for it anything to advance tech in the world i'm down for except

for you know things that are going to destroy the world you know all these ais and whatnot yeah those are bad yeah don't do those but do the good ones though it is it is fascinating because i am so curious because you know with apple releasing apple vision and i don't know about apple i think a lot of people are like iffy about that but we know that they've been putting these kind of neural engine into their chips for like ai purposes and i think they said like it's for face recognition. But I'm like, what else are they doing? Because Siri sucks. We all know that.

But now we know Siri could possibly not suck in the future. And it's like, what are they putting on these chips? What are they doing? What are they planning? I put queso on my chips. You don't like Mexican food. Ah, got him. What a liar. I like cheese. you can like queso without liking a taco

anyway what do i burn i think you gotta burn the uh the old staggy the old staggy it's a tie you gotta burn your whole house down yeah all i have to do to burn the this computer is wiggle the power connectors on my 4090s and it'll burn itself out oh my god is that what caused all those melting uh power core just loose connectors yeah it's because of the way they design these then they're proprietary i think but if you didn't push them in and seat them properly all the way in because the actual metal is shorter it would arc and then melt the plastic and oh neat design flaw just do that then there you go there's your solution did we win i don't

know who what am i burning i i'm on team mac so i think if you don't burn any mac products then i win yeah right i'm on the side of computer wade final arguments for me to burn the mac uh pc's cheaper and you currently don't have the software you're claiming to record your i paid twenty five thousand dollars for this computer i paid eight thousand for the mac studio well yeah okay you did you went all out for that pc but most of us pay like a lot less for the pc and additionally how you gonna record all your youtube games right now cloud computing you and i both know that sounds bad sony view playstation view that'll do it play it on my

ps vita don't forget your roots don't forget my your pc roots so it's a heritage thing is that what you're saying oh yeah you you were in were in... Your family was a PC family. I'm not going to turn your back on your heritage. All right, Dominic Toretto. It's about family. I don't know. I didn't mean to put my feet in the sand, but I guess I did when I asked that question,

and therefore you got to burn the Mac. Yeah. All right. I guess I got to burn the... Could always come down to a coin flip. Let me download... I'm going gonna download that app no i thought we were done with that that was the old us oh no it all comes down to coin is this

the ancient one i really hope it is you know you could always get a lens cap especially an even one like mine i've got a thing of mixed nuts here i'll tell just flip the lid mark look there's a open side and a close side heads and tails perfect i've got this plate that i ate off of and the top is like a rounded in concave and convex side so i can flip the plate look mark i've got an old nes controller uh nintendo 3ds xl i open it, and screen side will be heads, and back side will be tails, okay? I have this Apple plug that I can flip. No, no, no.

What I'll do is I'll... I've got a rechargeable AA battery. If it lands like this, if it lands upright, then you burn the Mac, but if it lands on its side, then you burn the PC. You're right. Okay. All right.

How about this? I download the app. I can either flip with a penny, a dime, a nickel, a quarter, a Susan B. Anthony dollar, or an Eisenhower dollar. Here's the problem. If the Apple product knows you're flipping to destroy it, will it stop it from landing to stop? I like this.

This is a good solution i think you should flip the eisenhower that's the biggest one on there i believe yeah probably okay it is huge look how big eisenhower is all right i'm gonna hold the phone in the hold it in the triangle of fairness well we all know heads has to be pc and tails has to be Apple. Okay, is that acceptable to you, Bob? Heads PC, burn. Tails, Apple burn. Yes. Alright, here we go. Triangle of fairness. Triangle of fairness.

Triangle of fairness. Triangle of fairness. Triangle of fairness. Triangle of fairness. We're gonna milk this content. You're not gonna find out who the winner is until the next episode. Look at their impassive faces. You'll never know.

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