Distractible - Philoso-NO

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

An extremely enthusiastic Wade invites Bob and Mark to ponder several philosophical questions and ends up with varying results... but does anything really "end" anyway? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This week, the boys put on their thinking caps and scrutinize reality. Baby-eating Wade hosts and throws down the intellectual gauntlet. Rebellious Mark states going deep leads to human progression but knows when to pull out. Pump and dump Bob prefers to be wide and destroy Socrates and his ilk. From retroactive piss-pantsing to Plato's cavernous movements.

Yes. It's time for Philoso-no. Now sit back and prepare to be incontinent and enjoy the show hey everybody welcome back to another episode of distractible i'm today's host wade because i won legitimately fairly and exactly the way someone should last episode uh you're new here hi first of all second of all the reason that uh i'm hosting and

not everybody's hosting is the way we do things here one person host the two compete for points whoever has the most at the end host the next episode pretty simple and my two co-hosts are mark and bob hey you barely you almost might as well have not just said our names at all i guess what's with the animosity here? I have none. I feel great. Didn't I grant you a win last week? No, no. He's feeling the animosity steaming out of my eyeballs.

I do not recognize the legitimacy of this host. I think this host is a sham, is a terrible person, has no morals, probably eats babies. Allegedly. Allegedly eats babies. You know what, Mark? I'm going to give you two points, Mark. Allegedly. Yeah, yeah, whatever.

I'll tell you why later. I don't recognize the legitimacy of your ability to give points, because if I recognize that, then I recognize you as host, and I do not. So Mark accepts no points this episode, and I win by default. Got it, got it. I accept no points. I accept all the points. I'll take Mark's points. They're fake points. They feel real in my mouth. They don't apply. So do you concede your points to Bob? I don't concede anything because you have no authority

over me. You have no authority over the jurisdiction. I'm the host of this episode. for this jurisdiction. I'm the host of this episode. Welcome to Distractible, everybody. Thank you so much. I am your host, Markiplier, here joined by my two underlings, Wade and Bob. Interrupt yourself. Give us some small talk, Bob. Bob, give a small talk to the legitimate host. Bob, give small talk to the legitimate host. I'm giving small talk to the legitimate host. I'm giving small talk to the legitimate host. I'm good. You know what? Actually, I'm okay.

Mandy broke her foot. What? Which is really unfortunate. It turns out when you're moving, there's shit everywhere. And it turns out when you're holding a baby, you can't see exactly where your feet are necessarily all the time because he moves around a lot and he blocks your peripherals and uh yeah i think over the course of two days mandy kicked her poor feet into about five different objects and her right foot she kicked into some very hard objects and definitely has a broken pinky toe right now. Oh, no. So that's really inconvenient

because we're trying to move into a new house and she's supposed to stay off her foot, which makes it really hard to unpack a box, put furniture and stuff together. Plus, it hurts like a bitch. Ten points to Mandy for a brilliant way of getting out of unpacking. As much as I would

love to have that be a true heartfelt moment, I want to remind you, Bob, those points are not legitimate, so it's an empty promise. Just like it won't go anything to alleviate Mandy's pain. But I have broken my foot before, so I can commiserate. So I give points with pity

attached to them. And also the ability to actually relate. Okay. Bob, I'm just going to give you two legitimate points. I accept all legitimate points. Excellent. Good, good, good. Then you have two.

Good. I have some amount of legitimate points. I feel great. Could be two. Could be more than two. Who knows? I think we all know my win's legitimate. I literally had the ability to handshake that win.

It's hard to say that what happened was fair. We're not here about fairness. We're here about recognized by the bylaws. But it's not hard to say that what happened was completely legitimate. Right. You know, I'm willing to say that maybe, maybe, maybe Wade is the actual host of this episode. But I just, you know, all I want is recognition that if that is the case, that it was a really dick move. And that I think we should change the rules of piss pantsing to even after the winner is declared, that if I piss my pants, that piss pantsing should be allowed after a winner is declared that if I piss my pants, that piss-pancing should be allowed after a winner is declared

because otherwise, like, I don't have time. How fast can you piss? Sometimes it just, like, takes time. Even if I squeeze real hard, like, there's a psychological barrier to overcome in terms of pissing on camera. I announced way to the winner, and Mark is like, look away. Don't look at me.

Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. I just want to make sure I'm clear here. Your issue was not with the fact that we had a handshake deal that allowed me to steal the win. Your issue is after I did that, you couldn't piss your pants to steal it back? Exactly. There was a path to me to undermine your under-munchin. And so I didn't have that.

I feel like that's unfair. I'm fully on board with that. You know what? If piss-pantsing is going to be a rule that we enshrine and live by, it should be among the most ultimate forms of usurpation that exist. Yes, exactly. If you're going to do that, if you're going to go that far and show it on camera, because that's's a big part of it you have to have some kind of proof that you pissed your pants yeah it should be maybe not the single highest you know thing you could do to usurp something maybe there's room for other things that we could come up with in the future but it should be pretty high that's pretty

high you should be able you if you pee your pants right before the start of a new episode, that should reach back and steal the victory from the person who's about to host. And you can jump in and host the new episode right then with your pissed pants. Yeah, but the barrier should be like when the episode starts. If no pants have been pissed by the time that Baltimore is done with the intro, then it's too late. That's too late. No, 100%. Because once we're in an episode, we're basically in limbo. There is no previous winner.

There is just a host and contestants. There's nothing to steal because we're trapped in limbo. So during the first few words of the intro if the person hasn't stood up and showed their pissed pants it's too late as soon as the host makes a noise yeah unless that episode starts with them the literally pants in frame piss spreading then it's it's that would be so fucking funny there's a whole balder mode intro like now sit back and relax and enjoy the show and it cuts our cameras and just one of us is just like oh and the other guy's like oh okay okay i guess i'm not hosting anymore oh man that's hilarious that's fair you know i think that's

fair i think that makes that a much more impactful rule okay all right as the host who has all knowing power i'm glad we solved this democratically all right i can i concede then well look so you have all the power except the all all constitutional changes to the the democracy that is distractible must be agreed upon by all parties. The host does not have unilateral authority to make changes to that. Well, we've never been clear about that. Like, what if I just wanted to change the name of the podcast right now? Is it just the piss-pantsing must be agreed upon by distractible Congress?

The host could try, but when it goes to a tribunal and we are the tribunal, I feel like I have a good idea how we're going to come down on that decision. We could have a good, eventually, we'll come up with a three-party system where there's like the host and then there's the previous winner is like in the least authoritative

position and then the non- winner of the last episode is like, so there's a tier, whereas like neither of them could supersede the other one um but then rule changes can be applied overall by a democratic agreement of all parties clearly interesting interesting well that day is not today today i am god so enjoy okay all right so how are you guys how's the piss-free life i peed this morning oh pretty good i'm proud continuing my streak of no piss i'm just really building up for the next moment i'm eating it you're saving all the piss for your shining moment you better not billy madison us and like go and put your dick under a faucet like i want to i want to i'm going to urine test maybe

i didn't see the right billy madison was that part of it didn't he actually pee his pants i thought he went and ran it underwater to make it look like he did like the kid did i thought he just peed his pants in solidarity i don't even remember what happened to billy madison so i don't even know subreddit let us know but i'm pretty sure there was like one of those big standing water spigots and he went and like put his hands under it and like splashed it on his pants subreddit it's our chat GPT. Just like, subreddit, what is the answer to this question? I could easily look up. You know what? Hey, Siri, did Billy Madison piss his pants?

She said, I don't know how to respond to that. I don't have my Alexa set up where I would ask her. Well, we'll never know. I'm just going to open your happy chat GPT. That always gives you the answer you want. That's true. But while you're doing that, Mark, you've been living an exciting life doing all kinds of different new activities every day and exploring the world.

Yes. Yes, I have. Which brings me to our latest news bulletin. I don't have anything ready. I don't have anything ready. I don't have anything ready. But I do have technology talk. What's wrong, Wade? Nothing.

My whole thing is what's new in technology. I just wanted to marvel at this current gold rush that is like, I quote, quote, gold rush that is like ai because uh do you know how much nvidia uh is selling their latest gpu for for ai three thousand dollars a card or something no a bajillion dollars what's the card it's called the h100 right that's the latest and greatest apparently so this is an ai ai specific card what exactly goes into these is this like a cluster of GPUs or something? No, latest core of chip, latest chip 80 gigabytes of RAM

is good at AI. Excuse me? 80 gigs? 80 gigs of RAM, yep. Why can't I have a video card with that much RAM? Okay, so probably more than $500. Yeah. The reason is because AI models usually, when training them, need a lot of RAM. In the grand scheme of things, 80 gigs of RAM is not a tremendous amount nowadays,

but in terms of high bandwidth memory for GPUs, it is a lot. So what is it going for? $40,000. Holy shit. I was like, okay, maybe 6 to 8 in my head. Wait, but so, look, I'm not an expert at all on this sort of thing ram it even it's vram or whatever right but it's just not that expensive is it no the material cost of manufacturing this board is probably in the scale of like a few hundred dollars to manufacture it because if you think about it

well okay maybe a thousand maybe i mean yeah ram's not free it's something like 20 bucks a megabyte maybe or it might be 20 bucks a gigabyte i don't know it's like not that expensive though it's not tens of thousands of dollars expensive no and the chip obviously but you got to think this chip is a modified version of like the 4090 chip basically um and the 4090 sells for like two thousand dollars right yes it's 1500 whatever it is so this is 20 40 yeah yeah or yeah 20 times that yep and so you'd think like oh man a lot yeah but they're probably not selling a lot right they're probably not selling a whole bunch of those not at that price point uh they're they're selling a whole bunch of those. Not at that price point. They're going to sell

550,000 of those this year. Excuse me? They're going to sell 550,000. I did the math. It's $22 billion. Can we sell some of them? No. It's $22 billion. You're right. ChatGPT agrees with you. It's

$22 billion. If we know anything about AI models, it's that they're always good at math. Yeah. And so what blows my mind about this, and I know I talk about AI and stuff a lot, but I think that's just my role as like the tech corner talking about the latest things in tech. And the reason I want to talk about this is because it is ridiculous. In every scheme of this. It is absurd, right? Because right now no one is making money from AI except for like mid

journey, maybe, but the cost of renting GPUs is like going up exponentially because they cost $40,000. Um, so, and chat GPD definitely making no money. They are losing money hand over fist.

I mean, it's still basically research products at this point i guess i know that exactly ai is being is growing quickly and it's getting very cool and but absolutely these are all just like proof of concept like research type deals that none of this is a product at all absolutely yeah and and people are scooping these up and willing to pay these prices because it is literally the gold rush of AI, as they say. But if people look up the original gold rush, there were a few people that made good money, you know, finding gold. The vast majority of people found next to nothing. And the only people that made money off of the gold rush were the people selling the tools to go dig gold.

That's where the money was always made. And I think that's what we're seeing here. I see what you're getting at. Yes, exactly. These are the toothpick axes of AI. We need to sell keyboards so you can type to chat GPT with them. Exactly. Exactly.

And now you know why every single company that has like a a quarterly report and they mention ai at all their stock price goes up like it's that's it that's it wait do we all stock del monte canned vegetables in their quarterly report we're like oh corn's doing well and uh everybody still buys beans selling a lot of beans and uh we started using ai to optimize the stock price if you keep your ai well fed it will learn better yeah i know right there's an a and an i indistractable we're already there buy our stock do we do we have stock do we sell stock no what we gotta tell it we gotta do is sell a shit coin you gotta do a little pump and dump action that's the cool thing where's ai coin crypto's out crypto's out it's over it's over it's Yeah. Okay, what about AI dollar bills? When are the banks going to be replaced by AI?

Yeah, that's the question. No more blockchain, just AI. Yeah, pretty much. You just have a casual conversation with bank GPT, and it tells you how much money you have, maybe. Yeah, and what's even more fascinating is, Bobby, you're totally right. This is all just basically funding research, but it's such a weird mad dash of funding research that this is why ai has progressed so quickly and will

progress so quickly in the next few years um because this is literally tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars imagine if like any any good cause across humanity had hundreds of billions of dollars suddenly injected into it. Like, you would get a lot of results very quickly. Maybe not all good, but, you know, things would move. No, no, no. If that kind of money was generated, imagine the trickle-down effects

on everyone else. Yeah, no. The pee of the rich definitely trickles down on the poor. You got that right. Yep, yep. That's it. That's the one. You got that right. Yep, yep, that's it. That's the one. I think I see a drop. Oh, I have actually, there is a report.

NVIDIA makes a thousand percent profit on their H100s. A thousand percent. So they cost. So we're not industry people, but that just seems like obviously gouging a burgeoning tech market. And not to say that that's wrong. If the people are willing to pay it you know the demand sets the price or whatever but like holy shit yeah and and here's the crazier thing about it you know you're 4090 if you guys have a 4090 i don't know if you do the relative

performance difference between the 4090 which like again retails at around like 2000 probably more now because people are scooping up because because they realize, wait a minute, hold on. The difference, the performative difference between that and, like, the top H100 is double, which is significant. So what if you just bought two 4090s for $4,000 and called it good? Yeah, but what if you bought two of these for 80 grand and then you'd have the equivalent then you'd have four 4090s exactly so and even if you look at it from a memory perspective there's 80 gigabytes of memory in the h100 there's 24 in the 4090 so if you bought four it would be the equivalent memory but you would have also four times the performance for what would amount to

eight thousand dollars versus forty thousand it's just like it's absurd because people and companies the performance for what would amount to $8,000 versus $40,000. It's just like, it's absurd because people and companies with no question of anything like we must be the best. We must get ahead of this before anything. We must do this. Our buying hand over fist for a price that makes no sense at all. And within a year, within one year, I guarantee you AMD is going to come out with a competitive product and all these prices are going to go way down again because there's no sense into it.

That's what I'm saying. Imagine you're AMD and I guess there are no other companies that make GPUs or are in this tech space that have any competition whatsoever. Just sell one for $30,000 and companies will jump, even if it's not even remotely as good. If you sell it for $20,000, $10,000, you sell a mountain of shitty AI cards to all these companies who are like, oh, we can't afford $40,000. Yeah. But $10,000? And the crazy thing is a lot of people would probably respond to this and be like, well, it's because all the libraries work better with CUDA.

That's only because people have programmed, like they've made the libraries to work with CUDA because that's what they were designed for. There are other equivalences in AMD's chips or even Intel Arc chips that just require programmers to build like the drivers and the libraries to be able to work with the architecture that is in those chips. Specifically, it's like if right now you look at an AMD card versus an NVIDIA card for gaming performance, they're fairly similar. AMD usually is more price competitive and NVIDIA usually has higher peak power, but they're fairly similar and you are able to like play most games across either one. It's going to be the same with AI because there's going to be smart people out there

that look at these AMD chips and be like, I can't afford $40,000, but these chips are way less. If I just put in some legwork and make it work, it's very clear this is going to come down. So I don't understand the sprint to spend billions right now. So what you're saying is we should buy as many 4090s as we can get our hands on and start the distractible AI cloud computing server farm and lease those bad boys out 24 hours a day.

All we got to do is hot glue some RAM to the outside and it has a lot more RAM power. Yeah, no, is this like the 80s? Can you just solder more RAM onto these chips? Is that how that works? Oh, yeah. Just buy 72 more. How many gigs of RAM does 49 have?

22, you said? 24. 24. 24. Just buy 56 more gigs of RAM and solder that on those bad boys, and you basically got the same thing. Let me look up. Probably 60.

I could even get a 64-gig RAM stick. How much is that? You could get a single chip. It's all right in there. $200. $80 for a used one. Okay. Who needs new? It loses half the value when you drive it off the lot we sell the refurbished ai cards for a discount it ram always has a lifetime warranty no harm in buying new profit used you know what mark so much profit

i'm gonna give you a thousand percent of your points you 1,000% of your points. You now have 2,002 points. Holy shit. What? I thought he didn't have any points. He wasn't accepting them until I offered him a higher amount. Now apparently he's accepting them. Oh my God. He had two unaccepted points. I was very accepting of your host ship the whole time.

What's my reward for my loyalty? I love your understanding of percentages, Wade. I love your understanding of percentages. Thank you. I accept these points. Hey, I'm just saying 40,000 was 1,000 times 40, which means nothing, but it is. And I want you to know that 2,000

is 1,000 times 2. You're right. You are right. That's as much math as you're getting out of me. Thank you. Bob bob what's doing your life manny's foot broke how many points is that worth i gave her 10 it's big sad it's very sad how many points is it worth to me though i'm the one who's here come on now you are the one that has to deal with your wife having a broken foot you poor thing no i'm the one who needs

points she don't need points how many points you need uh slightly more than mark i can loan you some points but man the interest on these whenever i eventually uh come back would you like to shake on it what's the what's the rate give me a rate and how do you calculate is that apy i'll give it to you for 20 yeah but what's the what's the term on the rate? Is it annually? Monthly? How does that accrue? Waidly.

I just tell you whenever it accrues. Oh, pass. Pass on that. It accrues whenever he remembers it. Yeah, honestly. About once every five episodes I'll remember. Can I just keep borrowing more to pay back the interest on the previous loans until the episode's over and then finish? I've got a finite amount, so you'll have to start seeing if mark will loan you any no no i'm good i don't want to

get into that i don't want to get into that that sounds like getting a point debt that sounds like math yeah it does sounds pretty horrible can't have that uh mark how many points is bob worth worth in total well i mean that's a human this episode this episode so far i i okay this is a strange quantification of your worth currently um for like uh like you are literally going to tell him how many points he has right now the ball is in your court uh let's go with 50 50 points all What? That's a lot. That feels pretty low. What? I got two earlier. I'm worth.

Oh, boy. What fraction is 50 of 2002? Let me ask ChatGP. I'm worth 25, 1,000 and once of you. That's not helpful, ChatGP. What is that? That's not helpful at all. Is that 140 140 i'm approximately

two and a half percent i'm two and a half percent as valuable as mark is right now yeah 140th i think i think that's it feels bad feels bad uh i assign you uh oof as well you have 50 points plus oof we'll see how much oof is worth later. Probably not much. It's good to be in my new office that we haven't even mentioned yet in my new setup. It feels good. Oh, it looks very much like mine right now, except for you have a blanket. I have sound treatment.

That's the second thing I did in this office. I do too. Hang on. Plus, my office is carpeted. You can't see any of it right now, probably. No, I can see it, actually. Oh, yeah. It's a light, even. Uh-huh. I'm going to start hanging up posters, guys.

You can see the top of the welcome tour poster. Why is that light there? Because I put it there. And by I, I mean Dana put it there. Do you know what that's called, Wade? A standing light it's an edge light it's edgelighting you

it's aimed at you from behind I wasn't going to admit to edging on camera but here we are Wade edges a lot constantly even it's nice Wade thank you there's one over there too but it's kind of like facing slightly different it's got a different setting to brightness and whatnot.

That's probably like your fill light or something. I think I'm worth as many points as Bob right now for the crap I take for my foaming, so I'm going to give myself 50 points. Thanks. I just don't know why you didn't pay someone to do this. This is our job. The studio is pretty important. Who do you call for foaming an office? There are companies that do that. There are straight up just companies that do acoustic treatment

and will do aesthetic things as well. We had a conversation about this, and I gave you specific companies to look into, and you were like, oh, yeah, I'll look at that. All right, Bob, you know what? Good small talk. I give you another 500 points for your kindness and friendship I tried

I'm bribing you to forget that you did that and we can move on What were we talking about? Exactly More points for me This episode is brought to you by Secret. Secret deodorant gives you 72 hours of clinically proven odor protection, free of aluminum, parabens, dyes, talc, and baking soda.

It's made with pH-balancing minerals and crafted with skin-conditioning oils. So whether you're going for a run or just running late, do what life throws your way and smell like you didn't. Find Secret at your nearest Walmart or Shoppers Drug Mart today. Today's episode, which is almost over, but in the time that we have, I had a whole bunch of questions I wanted to go over today. Some, like, philosophical questions. What words has he tried to get us to say?

Yeah, yeah. What did he try? I'm not going to laugh. I mean, ha, ha, ha, ha. What did he try? I'm not gonna laugh. I mean, ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! Yeah, Mark. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Wade. Go ahead. I unleashed my real laugh for that one. I better get good points. We're probably way off base on this one.

We've only gotten two episodes where we've gotten Mark's real laugh. That one today, I don't remember when the last one was, but it was definitely a different laugh. That was today. I don't remember when the last one was, but it was definitely a different laugh. Once again, I'll never be able to recreate what I just did. I don't even know what was going on. Kudos to Pluto's.

That was it. The kudos to Pluto's. Kudos to Pluto's. I could never. Never again. I think it's just that you don't want to. I think it's right there. No, I don't know what it is.

I can't move my epiglottis that quickly. I don't know. It's not working. You just got to really get into the moment, or it's never going to work. You got to be in the moment. To the splittles. No, see, it's too slow.

I can't as an actor you can't just fall into the mindset of this character who kudos pluto's good as a little i think it's getting oh no getting farther yeah oh Well, we don't have time for as many questions as I was originally going to think about getting to, but honestly, I didn't know how many we would get to anyway because each one of these questions, you could probably spend an entire class on and still not have an answer. So I'll think of some good ones here.

I bet the subreddit would like that. We spend it all on one question. Let's do it. Four-hour episode. Let's do it. Well, I've got so many questions. I figured we could just have like a part two, part three, and really milk

the philosophical questions. Yeah. Really enjoy it. Really slow down. So I guess let's start with an easy one. Is it better to have a little bit of knowledge about a lot of things or a lot of knowledge about very few things? Define a lot of knowledge. very few things? Define a lot

of knowledge. Are you an expert in that field or what's the deal? So the question really words it as having a broad knowledge base or a deep knowledge base. I don't think this is necessarily about your trade. I think this is more so like, is it just better to know a whole lot about some of the things you do know or to have a little bit of knowledge about a lot more things going on than it is about like expertise? I think expertise kind of implies like well if you're an expert you can be the best doctor ever i don't think this is implying that this is like your job this is more so just about knowledge in general okay i have a succinct and correct answer to this wade okay so this this is commonly this question is commonly addressed by people with the phrase

the totally overused phrase oh is it better it's better is it good to be a jack of all trades master of none right because that's that's essentially what we're talking about here a jack of all trades has a broad knowledge base but no deep knowledge base but people use that quote and they're like yeah jack of all trades you suck you don't master anything but that entire saying actually goes it's the point of that saying if you include the second half of it is the exact opposite of how people normally use it the saying goes jack of all trades master of none but oftentimes better than master of one okay so you think it's better to have a wide variety of knowledge and maybe just not know as much about it then to have a lot of knowledge about some like

a handful of things i do i think we need experts because you need someone with really deep knowledge sometimes with certain things in life but like if it's not your specific job or calling in life to be an expert in something i think it's way better to have a broad knowledge base than to have one really deep thing. Because as soon as you get outside of whatever your deep pool of knowledge is, you're useless. And if your job is not so focused that you're only ever swimming in the deep pool of knowledge that you have and that you use all the time, you're useless. You just don't know anything. Yeah.

I guess it really, for me, it just depends on how deep this knowledge is because i have an extremely deep knowledge of warhammer 40k specifically not of warhammer fantasy that doesn't really get me anywhere because even my knowledge pales in comparison to let's say baldemore who does the the intro of this episode so i would say like i'm not an expert but i also i would rather have like a, a comprehensive enough understanding of, of what I'm, what I'm interested in, uh, even as a hobby perspective than have a really loose understanding. However, I will say as someone with ADHD, I also have a very loose understanding of many different things because I can never pursue deep enough to actually have a comprehensive understanding um so but even then

i think still i would rather have that deep understanding and like yeah there are many quotes where it's like they're not fully there like with the you know they say his blood is thicker than water but it's like the real quote is like the blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb or something like that which has the opposite meaning but those quotes are dumb and stupid and old and made up by probably boomers or whatever and i don't think we should pay him any attention no matter what all right all right low wisdom score got it is that like high intelligence low wisdom is that what it is potentially yeah we could roll for it

man everyone's so horny for balder's gate right now everyone's so so horny it is the shit i haven't played it yet but i i know i'm not gonna like it because it's not the kind of video game i enjoy but also i feel compelled that i have to try it it's just too popular the thing is like i might like it i don't have time to get into something like that so i can't even risk like downloading it. Well, one cool thing about it is you can make a character just like a blank slate character out of nothing and play. You can also play as like one of the default NPCs. So that way, if you're playing multiplayer,

let's say in like you guys want to get the full story. One of you could make a new character from scratch if you wanted to. And the others could play as the NPCs. That way you're not missing out on any story playing multiplayer or you can play as all original characters or all pre-made characters like there's just a lot of variety they've kind of like looked out for a lot of things that maybe haven't been historically looked out for whenever you make a game multiplayer single player that's like lore based like that so that part of it alone is cool to me and as well as like apparently it's very long and very rich and fun like i've seen uh my friend tokshin's

played through it like four or five times already i think every time i see him he's streaming it four or five times well how many he's on at least his third or fourth playthrough how many hours is that don't know but i'm seeing people play between like 80 and 150 hours to beat it good lord i'm assuming on replay he's not doing like every side and everything, but I don't know. I couldn't tell you. Well, I mean, good. Yeah, that's great. I mean, I'm not trying to mismurch it. Once upon a time, I would do such things. I've put 400 hours into Frostpunk, which is probably absurd to some people,

but I've done it, so whatever. I can't judge. To rein it back in, though, I think this is another one of those questions you can ask another question of so if we were going to apply this to the world would the world be a better place if everybody had a little bit of knowledge about a lot or if everybody specialized in their knowledge of knowing a lot about a few things isn't that the whole phd thing you know expanding the the circle of human knowledge like all of us cannot know everything,

so we can only, like, expand human knowledge one at a time with someone going, like, as deep as possible in that field before they die. I suppose. So you're saying that the deeper knowledge is more important than the broader knowledge if we're going to apply it to the world? Yeah, in the grand scheme, of course, because if no one has deep knowledge of anything, then we're not going to go anywhere.

It is, like, only through the sheer determination and extreme like dedication to a craft that we get to exceed our knowledge base because it the more we progress in terms of knowledge the harder it is for people just to catch up to what has been learned before and then therefore exceed it i think it's that makes sense but it's also trickier to some extent the correct and simple answer is neither. Bob here trying to sweep the competition by like, I have the simple answer that is so succinct and you will make me win. He's prefacing his arguments to try to bias you in terms of like,

so that what he is going to say seems like the correct answer, but he doesn't know it any better than anyone else. You know that Wade has a degree in philosophy, right? I'm not an expert on philosophy, but I'm fairly certain the last thing that anyone who actually cares about it wants to hear is, I know the right answer, and it's three words. That's like the opposite of the point

of the study of philosophy. Because if someone answers your question by telling you like well the answer is you need all of it it's like yes but that defeats the purpose of the thought yeah but also but my main gripe having been having a law degree which is very adjacent and generally unrelated to but kind of connected to philosophy in ways my general appreciation for philosophical quandaries of the nature of the ones you're proposing to us is they're always wrong they always propose like a dichotomy or a yes or a no type answer where neither answer is preferable if you expand it beyond a limited test case no the world would not be better in either case if everyone was an

x a very deep expert in some specific thing or if everyone had a broad but shallow knowledge of many things but no deep expertise you need both otherwise the world is awful and to say one is better than the other without giving any more specific context than all of the world seems like a pointless exercise to me so my answer is that philosophy sucks yeah take that wade suck it wade get him get him bob get him bob how many points do i get for that uh i'll give you another 50 i'm not wrong right i'm not wrong i'm not wrong so he said he's not wrong therefore he's not wrong. Well, calling it a pointless exercise I think is wrong

because I think the way you come to that answer is by the debate between the two getting you to where like, well if I do this, this feels like it's going to be compromised or if I do that, and then you ultimately come to understand the pros and cons of each side so the point isn't to get to the answer, it's to figure out why

the answer is outside the box like philosophy is not about getting answers it's about figuring out the equations that get you there don't worry wade so you figure out what's wrong with the questions that got you to that point that get you to ask better questions it's all about thinking looking at things analyzing things and working on your brain about how you do that how you apply those thoughts more than it is about getting the bottom line don't worry wade i think philosophy is cool where are you bob i was like why did you wink at me after telling me don't worry mark yeah i feel like at camera is an adequate way. You know, I'm looking at your... There you go.

That was at both of us, maybe. I think philosophy is super important, just like whatever Wade said. Don't worry, Mark. You get some amount of points for that. You wink like that guy on TikTok. Have you seen the guy on TikTok who does the like... No. The like 95 percent wink i do enjoy watching people that can't wink try they're just like damn it yeah it's such it's such a full full face spasm for some people not

that i'm the greatest winker in the world, but for some people it's like... There's like a whole head nod, like they're shaking their eyelids shut, like, there it goes. It's like a flourish on you. Alright, good job, buddy. Alright, well we almost got to discuss this question, so... Do you want to actually discuss it? No, that's okay. I think that we do you want to actually discuss it? No,

that's okay. I think that we covered it enough to where we understand the point. And I think it's, again, that was one of the simple kind of questions. Too simple. I knew the answer already. There's ones I would love to discuss with you,

but I'm not sure that they're like, this is the forum to do it because people hear like hot button issues. Like you talk about like, like morals, talk about moral stuff is so interesting to me i love moral discussions but they're always about hot button topics and those hot button topics people just hear and they're like this is the answer and there's no talking but in philosophy classes like actually getting to talk about morality of things like emotion for example and stuff like that is just so fascinating to me

but i digress i know the answer to that one just throw that question out there i've got it i'll say it okay here's an interesting one so is humanity heading in the right or wrong direction i agree with you this is an interesting one i know the answer already but yeah of course because there's a very negative perspective of like humanity right now i think i think everyone's like god humans suck the end of the world came thank god we deserve it but there's also been so many good things that have come from discovery research so on and so forth so overall i guess i guess this is generally asking are we heading in the right or wrong direction there's this yes is the answer to both but in

summation is the point we're trying to get to in in in uh i in i my answer is correct but extremely long and wandering and will seem like i don't know what i'm talking about because it's like i i don't i don't agree with the question in general just because it's like to define what is the right direction or the correct direction would have like some implicit bias into what is right and wrong in the first place based on like your perspective please yes this is philosophy go for it but human humanity as a whole is something that's like greater than the individual so it's like how can the individual judge what humanity is because humanity is just going in a direction whether or not humanity is inherently good or bad is not really up to like the single person to determine it's like it is doing whatever it will do because that is humanity and and there

is no fundamental basis for like internally to define what it is as as a holistic sense like if humanity blows it up that's almost what humanity was destined to do is like whether that's good or bad is is indeterminate because it's like that's what happened so it's it's like i don't know but i also am a believer that like the individual can have an effect on it and it's not like a fatalistic sense either because it's it's like i i don't believe in like giving up on your goals just because like you don't feel like it's going to be worth it i feel like i can influence the world and i do think like the individual a single individual could influence the entire like course of humanity uh but also like it's

it's such a generalized question that it's like it's almost like you would you would argue argue yourself in circles forever trying to answer something that like it doesn't matter because humanity marches on anyway and that that time spent talking could be time spent doing in my opinion you know you get bonus points because right or wrong was my entire philosophy career i studied morals and ethics and when you study morals and ethics you spend very little time debating like if something's right or wrong more so than figuring out the different moral theories and how they would apply to that question so if you look at something like kantian ethics and you look and see if there was like a duty ascribed to someone's motivations for why they did something versus utilitarianism which is like the greater good did more people get benefited by this decision or hurt by this

decision there's your answer uh and then there's i forget what the other moral theory is called there's like a more modern one i forget the name of it's been so many years but boiling it down to what is right or wrong is oftentimes the answer because you can get different answers on different things depending on what your definition of right and wrong is but i'm assuming the idea for this is probably more of a utilitarian approach when they say right or wrong direction for humanity because they're not really ascribing the individual here it's more so humanity as a whole So I don't even think it's like taking into consideration what we're doing to the world or animals. Is humanity headed in the right or wrong direction for humanity's sake

is I think what they're implying. But it is vague, and you could argue, well, it's not so good for the fucking animals we've made extinct by cutting down rainforests, and it's not so good for the planet that we're milking of resources, and it's not so good for, I don't know, people's moral well, or their mental well-being. There's a lot more people that...

Those trees should fight harder. Just because we won doesn't... We went into the fight, and they were unprepared. They didn't catch these hands, and those trees went down. The trees and the Lord of the Rings didn't just sit back and take it. They kicked ass. Exactly. Yeah, rip those roots up.

Come on, let's throw down trees let's go well they needed some motivation maybe we're working on it maybe our trees just need a little bit more motivation maybe our trees are weak maybe they need to make stronger trees maybe they need some tree roids maybe they need to get like some triatrine you know here's how you motivate a tree you get the tree you take one of its saplings growing nearby and you rip off a leaf right in front of the parent tree until they get upset enough to do something about it yeah yeah i think that makes sense well you talk down to it wade but i take umbrage with a whole other part of this question as well

by all means that's what we're here for the well so to reduce so this is a classic thing i feel like right historically like going back towards you know all the way to the beginning of humanity as an existence people had very small view of what the world is and people it i think it feels to a lot of people like that's the world is changing like globalization is a big topic in in our you know modern times i don't think that the world is actually changing as much as it might feel. I think the thing that's changing is you can't just pretend that the entire world is your village or your town or your city or your kingdom or whatever. Like, before communication was as good as it is today, the entire world was like the hundred people or less that you know. You might have 20 people in your village if you're, you know, like a farm, a group

of farmers who just, you send your crops off to your lord if you're in feudal times or whatever, like, that's your entire world. The person you're sending your taxes to or your food to or whatever, like, if you're under a lord or something, probably never even meet them you might not see them you might not know for real that they exist they basically might as well be god to you because you don't even know if it's a human that you're doing that you're you know serving or working for or whatever but as communication gets better and better and now we basically have instant communication from anywhere on the globe to anywhere on the globe almost barring you know governments clamping down on that and issues in parts of the world where you know internet is not as universal as it may seem to

people who live in america or people who live in you know european countries or whatever where it it kind of is everywhere all the time that's's not 100% of all of the world yet. But as that becomes more and more the case, the thing is less that the world is changing and that suddenly there's all these global issues. The thing is that we're all aware of it more. And to reduce humanity to one vector of this is humanity and it's either going upwards or downwards as a whole

comes, I think, from the idea that humanity is so small that you could do that. Like, theoretically, sure, it's possible to look at everything that's happening, everything that everyone is doing and has done, and say, like, and even if you just pick a system arbitrarily and say, okay, these are good, these are bad, we can ascribe easily to each action whether it's good or bad we can come up with a total number and say this is the total good or total bad that is currently going

on with humanity to say that that's how small humanity is it's just not a very like modern perspective on what humanity is that's like treating you know treating all of america like we're all basically the same person just spread out across the whole country or treating even smaller countries like it like they're not complex diverse groups of people with all kinds of different concerns and issues and things i just think the the core of that question comes from the perspective of like, well, if humanity is just one thing, it's either good or bad. So how good or bad is it? And like my main point of umbrage is

humanity is unquantifiably complex. If you ignore the question of what is right and what is wrong, how would you ever possibly take an aggregate of everything that's happening, all the incredibly good things that are currently happening and all of the unf all the incredibly good things that are currently happening and all of the unfathomably bad things that are currently happening how could you possibly

like reduce all of that to one thing it ignores the human part of all these good things that are happening or having all this positive impact all these horrific things war crimes you know killing people whatever all this horrible stuff that's happening, if you reduce that to a number, even if you say humanity is bad overall, if you reduce that to a number, you're reducing each person who's died for no reason, who's, you know, taken from family, who's suffering in some way, you're reducing all of that complex humanity to, eh, it's bad. That's just a really bad way to assess it. I don't like that. I think that's oversimplifying what humanity is. Is that philosophical enough for you? I mean, it's a good discussion. Does it answer the question? No, but like you said,

all these questions are hard to answer because if you think about them, it's like, well, how do I answer? Oh, i said i had the simple answer uh humanity good seven so like imagine if you like imagine humanity is an ant farm and some higher power or some alien thing is looking at like the world and they see humans like all the other creatures like oh whatever that's their food or that's just some ants that got in there like who cares but you know you have human ant farm and you're watching it but through that lens would you think humanity is doing well or doing badly that also depends it's like well look at them they're building up their different communities like they're building up skyscrapers all this stuff like they look like they're flourishing and then also you'll see like destruction you'll see the

world being sapped of life or whatever maybe over time or maybe we'll stop that it's hard to say what the future holds ants would never but you know it depends again it depends on the lens of which you're looking at it and what your definition of good and bad or right or wrong are so yeah and it also depends on like who what kind of god's shoes are you putting yourself in because if if if you are of such a higher power that the entire universe was just like something you could observe in a glance, then what humanity is doing wouldn't even register. It's like, imagine if an atom just decomposed in the air around you. You wouldn't notice. Wouldn't matter. If we blew up the entire Earth in a cosmic sense, doesn't matter.

Like, right now, millions of planets are being exploded into nothingness well then maybe not millions right but they don't have us on them they might have some other version of us that's just as egotistical and wants to put ourselves in god's shoes we're not even talking about alternate universes this is just our universe i wasn't talking about alternate universe i know that's what i'm saying we're not even talking about that and we're talking about all these quandaries are wonderful. Right? I love answering them correctly. I don't know if I like the way you shifted the tone there. Maybe more uncomfortable than happy to hear.

All I know is that if there's aliens out there, I want to either fight them or fuck them. Period. The Mass Effect philosophy, I see. Yeah, that's me. That's what I got all my philosophy about is Mass Effect. Literally. It's a renegade system or a paragon system. At all times, every encounter I have is like

like the two colors flash and I just gotta press left or right mouse. I'm like, what do I do here? Flush the toilet? Paragon. Leave it alone? Renegade. Everything. Flush the toilet but paragon. Leave it alone, renegade. Everything. Flush the toilet, but don't turn the fan on? Unsure, unsure, complicated.

That's one of each. You did one paragon action, one renegade action. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. Yeah, I like my balance to be the median, but swinging rapidly from end to end. But it walks a fine line. It's not staying in the middle carefully. It's just wildly making choices one way or the other.

Throw yourself into a burning orphanage to save all the kids. And then you go and run over a family on the way home. But you look at that average line. It's straight as an arrow. The average line is in the middle of a horrific earthquake, but it's right there on the middle. Oh, yeah. It's perfectly even.

That's an interesting superhero. Morality Man. You have to only balance morality by one of the most extreme events to keep it perfectly even. Wouldn't that be Immorality Man? Wouldn't Morality Man be a superhero who never did anything because they're so paralyzed by the concept of trying to figure out if what they're about to do is good or bad,

that they would never take any action? That's Philosophy Man. Oh, okay. Wow. Listen, I get all my philosophy jokes from The Good Place. Have you watched The Good Place, Wynn? I have not. There's a character in The Good Place, Chidi Adegegonye is one of the main characters who is a philosophy he's a philosophy

like researcher he's like a phd there are a lot of jokes about why people don't like philosophy this is where i'm pulling all of my material from there's a lot of jokes in philosophy about why people don't like philosophy we went over those a lot he makes all the jokes about why people don't like him uh but you should watch it if you like philosophy it's an interesting show you should absolutely watch i think you'd enjoy it okay yeah i definitely would and in question did you were talking about like i don't remember exactly what your words were but were you intentionally referencing the uh allegory of the cave at one point plato's cave or do you know what that is i don't know what that is i'm just as smart as he is okay real dumb boiled down version is like at some point in life we are looking and we see

shadows moving on a cave wall and that is our reality but then through enlightenment knowledge whatever we eventually find out that there's something moving on top of us and that movement is reflected on the shadows of the cave and it's like oh so that's what's making the shadows the shadows themselves aren't real people it's those that are the real people and then you discover there's a fire behind those shadows that's making the shadows appear it's like oh well it's not even the thing it's the light coming from the fire and then you discover you've got your arms and legs and you discover you can leave the cave and you discover there's a whole world outside of the cave and it's like going from being super ignorant and thinking that the truth is just those shadows to discovering what the actual world is that's a fairly dumb boiled down version so apologies so you get out

of the cave yes i asked chat gbt what the allegory of plato's cave is and it gave me about seven pages so i'm not reading that but i appreciate your summary no I mean that's just basically what I'm talking about though I think that's a no I'm not a big philosopher but I I thought about this in law school a bit and I I had like I think everyone thinks of philosophically sometimes like things happen that make you think about the world and stuff I think people's perception is at the core of a lot of my thoughts about the world and like the troubles that the world has the troubles that people focus on and see i think a lot of it comes down to what you focus on as how you perceive as to how you perceive the world and what you think is important because there are people who are obsessed with what they can see and hear and touch and what's in front of them

and like almost refuse to acknowledge you know like almost like flat flat earther type logic right where it's like you i want to be able to see what i believe i can't see that the earth is a sphere even though you can and if you do some certain things but like that sort of philosophy but there are also people who are like the opposite of that who are obsessed with with what's happening outside of their sphere who almost sacrifice their their own area you know their own people around them what's going on around them because they're obsessed with you know we have to save the rainforest they're obsessed with the war crimes going on in a specific country like it's people i don't know if it's a choice or if it's how your brain is wired

or what but what people choose or don't choose to care about and get really obsessed and strongly opinionated about is almost dictated as i see it by like what level of perception they go with for the world around them because how you look at it what what's what specific level of perception or what forms if i'm using the plato thing incorrectly that you that you choose to choose as like those are the real forms of the actual things that matter entirely changes how you see the world and having the internet access that we do today and having pictures and video and direct communication all around the world makes it really complicated to know how you should see it because it's you know you could see things that are so unrelated to your world and your life on a daily basis that it's it's hard

to have a you know like a grounding in reality because what is reality is the stuff on the internet as real as your life i think it is but to you like as a human it's not that simple perceiving that i think makes it really complicated for people but yeah something i did not know the allegory of plato's cave but like i think that's a very at the heart of a lot of issues in the world for me. Because how people will have debates or discussions, it will seem like they're not talking about the same thing when they are trying to, but they're talking about it with completely different terminology. It often comes from such a dramatic difference in perspective that they might as well be talking about different planets.

Because one person is focused on, you know, something very external. One person's focused on their personal version of the experience of whatever. It causes issues, and it is at the heart of a lot of issues in our modern, you know, society. I disagree with every single point that Bob made.

Well, I was right, so Mark is wrong, and that means I should get some points. I disagree with that premise. Well, he's still wrong, so who cares? Disagree. How many points do you think you should get, Bob? That's like a 750 or up type of answer, at least. Disagree.

Okay, over 1,000. He's right. It's over 1,000. No, he's disagreeing again. I don't care which way you go up or down. I disagree. I'm not disagreeing at all. I'm very agreeable. Mark's the one who's inagree again. I don't care which way you go up or down. I disagree. I'm not disagreeing at all. I'm very agreeable.

Mark's the one who's inagreeable. I disagree. I'm not. I disagree about my agreeability. Well, to agree with Bob, let me... No! The cave, I think, is more so about individual perception. At least this particular allegory.

I think you could apply it to looking at it from different perspectives. But I think one of the big issues is, even just focusing on moral theory alone and ignoring everything else, which is a terrible thing to do, but just to simplify it for this explanation, is you have different moral theories that all have valid pros and cons. And there's certain instances where we want to lean toward one versus the other. If you could step on one ant to cure cancer in a million people, utilitarianism would... It's like, why even ask?

Step on the fucking ant. And it's like, well, what if it's a baby? Even easier. Way softer. Less of an exoskeleton. Squishes right away. Utilitarianism, to simplify simplify it down pretty much as always if it's better for the greater good do it if it's bad that sucks but if it's for the greater good do it whereas other moral theories are like well no if that act is in

and of itself bad it's a bad thing to do so you shouldn't kill a baby but what about the greater impact well utilitarian ethics yes do it so sometimes they a lot of times they agree sometimes they disagree it really depends on the situation but i think in our world in reality you have different people ascribing to different moral theories and looking at things from different lenses all the time and trying to blend them make them look pretty whereas they just don't align So what's good for humanity isn't necessarily good for the world, isn't necessarily good for the individual, or might be great for one individual. And all of this is just combined into one player

that we're trying to find an explanation and answers of where it's not clean like that. It's messy. Here's where I know this kind of echoes just what I was saying before. I think a lot of problems in today with people in the age of information and like technology and the connectedness of it is I'm not ascribing all of wisdom to be this one act. But I think there is a lot of wisdom that people miss out on, on knowing when to remove themselves from a debate or an argument and when not to put yourself in a position where you feel like you

need to come up with an answer to a question that you have no right making and i think you see this on the internet all the time is people want to inherently as human nature want to participate in a discussion or want to feel like their opinion is heard but there's very few people that like recognize the moments when they do not need to be involved at all and so they find themselves in situations often on arguments on the internet where they don't need to be there and even like with these greater philosophical discussions there are times not every one person can answer all the moral quandaries that exist and therefore there are some that an individual needs to go like i need to remove myself from that to that that because i have no basis to answer it and i have

no like it's not that there's a right to answer something or not it's just like very few people even recognize it as an option to be like oh i don't need to worry about this or oh i shouldn't participate in this oh or this doesn't need my involvement oh or i'm injecting myself into something that i have no basis on and i think like that is an entire field of thought that people like have never even considered. The internet is the perfect example of the cave. You get one piece of information. You see the little dude dance on the wall.

And it's like all of your knowledge you just throw at it without knowing the full situation. You're like, I read these words. What they did is wrong to me or they did is right to me. Here is my opinion. And you never have the full picture on the internet you have one person's biased message whether it's pro or anti something but everyone piles on because that's the information they see and it's like this good this bad info whereas they're all just sitting in the cave looking at the little silhouettes on the

wall thinking that's the information that is an example of that. Not having all the information, but crowning or destroying lives based on the limited information we have because we can mob mentality it very quickly. 900 points for Wade. Excellent. I disagree. 12 900.

Is that 12 900s or 12,900? I don't believe you have the degrees to understand it. I'll just ask ChatGPT, how many is 12 900? ChatGPT would like to know if you mean 12 900s or 12,900. It's a moral quandary that computers cannot answer. It's too complicated for AI,

so no one will know, ever. Unsolvable. Alright, we're going to solve this in only the way I know how. Don't say coin flip. It's not coin flip. Okay, good. Excellent. It's not even going to be what you think it is whenever I tell you this. Points? Mark, pick a number between 1 and 20.

I don't like that. That's not my favorite thing that's ever happened today. 20! I disagree. That's not between. That's or equal tool, not less than. Or equal tool? Wait, did you mean that 20 and 1 could not be picked?

I wasn't clear, so I will allow your selection of 20. Bob, pick a number between 1 and 20. You pick 1, I swear. I was thinking about it. The option is on the table. Now that you said it, if I pick it, it's going to seem like you made me pick it. But also, I have to stick to my guns.

1. 0.5. You didn't specify it needed to be whole integers 1.5 all right okay all right well we've made we've turned this into a coin flip you know whatever this is it's very very almost a coin flip if i'm 1.5 if that's if that skews it in my favor then i did the right thing well you both picked opposite ends of the spectrum. One picked 20, one picked 1. 0.5. Definitely you'd round up from there.

From one perspective, 20 is greater than 1. Okay. And 20 points would be worth more than 1 point. From another perspective, from a ranking system, if you're the 20th, you're last out of 20, and 1 is first place. Setting those aside, our point totals prior to this

was Mark sitting at 2,005 points. Bob had 1,601 points. I only got five points since the beginning of the episode. You only got three points since the beginning of the episode. You had 2,002. I kind of quit assigning points when we got into the thousands and I figured I would just make it interesting at the end.

Because you were so far ahead the whole time Mark that I was just letting Bob try to catch up and see what happened but he still fell 404 points short number one though but he did pick number one and the 20 and 1 have nothing to do with it so Mark you win because you had 2005 points

it was a smokescreen end it before he can piss his pants end it no end it. I love winning. That's my winner speech. I legitimately would like to talk about this stuff forever. This is the stuff that gets my brain tickled.

It's like Mark's talking about technology. It's me with philosophical discussion. I feel like we do it wrong, though. Are we the people you want to talk about this with? We do, because I ask a question, and you guys immediately cut to the end. You're like, I don't we do it wrong though. Are we the people you want to talk about this with? We do because I ask a question and you guys immediately cut to the end. You're like, I don't want to watch the movie. I just want to see how it ends. I know

how it goes. Alright. I lived in this world. I know how things are. I have wisdom. You get to the places by discussing the pros and cons, not by skipping to the there's no right answer. Usually philosophical questions end with, well, there's not really a right answer. But the point of it is to get your brain to thinking it's the way of processing information and getting to that they're saying we were right though

not right enough but clearly because you lost so well i i won therefore i'm very right if you simplify the actions of mark and i today into simply the actions of Distractible, we were very right. Which means Distractible is going in the right direction. The right direction. If you think Mark hosting the next episode is the right direction, then yes. Oh, that's terrible for the humanity of Distractible. But overall right now, still the right direction.

Oh yeah. Well, Mark gave his winner's speech quickly to keep you from pissing yourself, so do you have a loser's speech? Doesn't feel good. I've been doing this to Mark a lot, and I don't like it. Now I feel bad. What? What are you doing to me?

Doing the bait and switch flippity-floppities where you think maybe you're about to win or you have a chance, and then you have no chance. Well, see, the thing is, I have won, and I think this has happened more than once, where I've won. I've actually won, and then it was taken away. The same thing is happening to me right now, Mark. Don't try and simplify it.

I could have. Plenty of us could have at any moment in these episodes. He made us pick numbers. And also I could have peed my pants. Technically, I should have given the win to myself because Mark told me I had 12, 950 points, which is a lot more than 2000. We don't even know that that's a number, though. What if that's not a number? What if those, what if that, what if there's some other, you know,

variables in there? Well, I know it's a number because I wrote it down and I was the host. I meant 12 900s. Very small. Very small. Very small. Well, thankfully, I didn't feel like doing this twice in a row because I gotta save part two to really milk it. I can't just do it back to back. So, um, hence, Mark, you win.

Bob, you were the runner-up. You almost had it. I can't just do it back to back. So, hence, Mark, you win. Bob, you were the runner-up. You almost had it. Oh, that's pretty good. We're doing positive reinforcement today. Second place! And all of you out there, you win for having listened to it. So, if you guys haven't already, go follow us. Bob at MySquare, Mark at Markiplier,

I'm Minion777 or LordMinion777. It's different because I'm an idiot We have merch, start at structuralpodcast.com I think we're trying to work on some other cool fun things, so we might have an announcement about cool fun things one day So keep watching, maybe we'll tell you If not, well

false hope is sometimes better than no hope See you next time, we're Mark Hosts Until then, podcast out The most depressingly ambiguous ending possible better than no hope. See you next time we're Mark Hosts. Until then, podcast out. The most depressingly ambiguous ending possible. Well, what is ending? Is it truly

an end or just the start of something else? Oh, God. No, it's the end.