Distractible - Video Game Tier List

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

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Good evening, gentle listener, and welcome to Distractible, a Wood Elf production. This week, the gents kick off at Ilium with Dynamite. Ever-Victorious Wade is in charge and acts the part of Zeus. Mark is recovering and detests movie games, but adores replay and jump scares. And Bob, the FPS monster, dislikes open spaces and souls. From Gary's mod to Pokemon,, Delostorus to Zelda. Yes, it's time for Video Game Tier Lists. Now, sit back and prepare to be distracted and enjoy the show.

Hey everybody, welcome back to Distractible. I'm your host today, Wade, and I'm joined by my friends Mark and Bob. Hey boys. Oh, hey. Do I talk about Schleman now or later? What in God's name is Schleman? Schleman. Okay, you clearly have something you want to talk about, so I guess go for it. You don't know about Schleman? What is Schleman? I have a guess, but I doubt it's what you're thinking Schleman is. Heinrich Schleman? I haven't even talked about what this podcast is yet, but you know what? Forget it. Known archaeologist, discoverer of Troy. Troy?

Mm-hmm. The movie? The person that we went to school with? No, the city. Oh, was it gone? It is now. Oh. After Heinrich got done with it.

Oh, God. Just tell us what you're going to say. I have no idea what the hell you're on about. What did Schliemann do to Troy? Oh, what didn't Schlleiman do to Troy. Schleiman. Schleiman? Schleiman.

Schleiman. Schleiman. Schleimanmore. That's a point for Gryffindor. I tell you what he didn't do. That's still tasteful. Keep it intact. That's what he didn't do.

Why would it not be tasteful to make Harry Potter references? I don't get why. I understand why. Shut up. make Harry Potter references. I don't get why. I understand why. Shut up. Two minutes in and we're cancelled. Excellent railroading, sir.

Continue. Continue. Anyway, so Troy, everyone thought it was fake and all that, but then Henry Schleimann said nah, nah, that's real and I'm going to prove it with dynamite. And so he put a bunch of dynamite

in a train, or a cart or something, and he wheeled it over to where he thought Troy was, and he started blowing it up. Wait, this guy had a train and a train rail headed for where he thought Troy was, loaded with explosives.

He pulls a little chain and the thing drives into like an unmarked spot and blows up. I said, or a cart or something. I said, or a cart. You're a fool. Do you not know how mine carts work?

Yeah. Come on. Haven't you ever played Minecraft where you learn about the intricacies of mine carts? Yeah. We spawned in dynamite. We didn't roll it in. He spawned in dynamite. We didn't roll it in. He spawned in dynamite and put it in his mine cart.

He sure did. For which he built the tracks by his own hand, I'm sure. And where he thought Troy was. He thought right, obviously. And he was right. That's good. That's good for him, I guess. He was right.

It was good for him, bad for everyone else, because he blew up the majority of Troy trying to get to the deep layers of it. So his approach was just dynamite the absolute hell out of it until you reach the basement of Troy? Yes, and he did. He got to the basement. What did he think was going to be in the basement? Isn't there a better way in 2022?

Is there not a better way of doing this than blowing up the entire thing you're trying to find with dynamite of course i'm gonna say back then probably not but yeah no with modern technology and stuff when was back then i thought this was recent 1840 or 50 oh i thought this was like last week you think a guy discovered the city of troy a week ago and that didn't make the news or anything you didn't hear about that? I don't keep up with the news. It could have been. I don't know.

Well, this is old news now. If only he had the power of intel and the technology that they're fueling to be able to look inside deep layers of the earth with advanced sonography. I guess that's true. I guess technology is very helpful nowadays where we don't just have to point at a spot on the map and say, throw the TNT. It it's probably there that's how all science actually was marine biologists would just row a boat out into the ocean and just start dropping tnt in there do a float it up you know that's not entirely not how it happened early medicine involved a lot of uh small tnt looked kind of like firecrackers but

they were actually called medical sticks back in the day people are always like man i miss the good old days and then i look at how barbaric we were even like a decade ago and it's like i don't we were alive a decade what did you do that was barbaric a decade ago just curious what happened a decade ago to you i don't know i don't remember yesterday i'm just throwing an arbitrary date out there on this small animal in the woods and he was deeply injured and i was like get the leeches get the leeches oh god get the leeches put dynamite in their mouths the squirrel has fallen ah their blood is impure bleed them and then fill their blood back up in the other arm i

guess that's what they do kind of no how do you think leeches work i don't know uh you i believe you're referring to dialysis no thank god we live in modern times with modern technology imagine some centuries from now humanity looks back and is like can you believe how brutal they were in the early 2000s yeah they probably will first half of the 21st century can you imagine all the dumb stuff they did to fix their vision they would cut into their eyeballs and shoot them with lasers my goodness meanwhile schleman over here invented the klein bottle leech it just like loops blood back through itself and right into your body again. An infinite loop of blood. Yum.

And he blew you up if that didn't work. Yeah, of course. I'm glad technology is at least a lot more wonderful now than it was in the 1800s. Yes. Thanks to Intel. Now Troy 2 will not suffer the same fate as Troy 1. I thought you meant Troy also, and then you said the rest of your sentence, and I was like, oh no, he means Troy number two. Yes, of course. Troy number two. Sorry, I should have specified.

It's been like 200 years. Has Troy grown back? Probably. Someone check. Oh, good. Okay. That's how buildings, I think, work. Or maybe they will. Maybe technology will be so wonderful that destroyed buildings will just grow themselves back. that's why they say when humanity leaves nature reclaims itself buildings all grow back like they used to be it's true it's true how wonderful is that oh so wonderful this spot brought to you by intel what were you saying wayne yeah what were you saying uh i was gonna rewind all the way back and actually explain to the you know new listeners what the show is about oh no one cares all right well basically one of us wins and they host the next episode and the host decides what the episode's about and how the points are assigned it doesn't matter it really doesn't matter explaining things

just sets expectations yeah no expectations keep it brief so i guess uh i don't know small talk uh anything interesting going on other than our uh our lovely archaeologist from the 1800s i'm sick real sick i'll get better how about you bob i'm in a new office great and not but three hours ago it didn't have air conditioning but now it's nicely chilled so rich you have two side yards and an office great love to hear it i've got like one side yard but okay didn't something you said in your but now it's nicely chilled. So rich you have two side yards and an office. Great. Love to hear it. I've got like one side yard, but okay. Didn't something you said in the fridge episode? I'm so rich.

I have two side yards. Yeah. Well, one of the things. I think that's a direct quote. One of the areas that goes around my house, it's not wide enough for a fridge to fit through. So is it really a side yard? It's more of a sidewalk, but not the sidewalk.

It's like a side sidewalk. Right. You know what I'm talking about? No. Well, my neck and my back hurt. So talk we're all doing great we're all happy we're all healthy about your crack and that other part in that song what wait hold what never mind yeah i know what you're going on about wade finish it finish it i'd wait finish it your neck your back i don't know what i'm feeling this and your crack. Yes. Oh that song. How was that more explanatory than what else I said? Yeah

What would you think he said than that that thing that he said doesn't matter cuz I'm the host and I'm going to segue us Immediately away from me being embarrassed about my lack of understanding Okay, so a lot of you guys seem to either love or hate some of the episodes that I've hosted that involve The tier list mmm. There's been one. So I've decided to throw fire. I guess there's only been one. I've decided to throw more fire on the flame. No. Lightning on the... Fuel on the

fire. I mean, if you can throw more fire onto the flames, that probably would make the fire bigger if you have that power. If you could throw lightning onto things, I want to know about this i'm going to throw more lightning onto the fuel to make a flame wow that's and we are going to do a tier list today listen we're not at 100 today let's gentle listeners so just give us a break rate

this episode 10 out of 10 and like on spotify and apple i don't know what you do on these things write five stars please i don't get as many trips on Uber if you don't. Yeah, give us five star rating on our Yelp page. Do we have a Yelp? God, I hope so. Could we have a Yelp? I hope so. Can we get a listing on Angie's list

so that people can call us if they need comedy and or offensive ad reads? I don't know who Angie is, but maybe she works with Slimy. And if so, give us a five out of five there too. But our tier list topic today is one that is dear to many of our listeners who have followed us over from YouTube and Twitch and Facebook and so on and so forth. And that is a gaming tier list.

We are going to be ranking some of the games we have. Maybe some of you guys haven't played. I haven't played. We're gonna get through as many of these as possible. This is a tough list. I went through and scoured a few different gaming tier lists to figure out what games were ranked and were not ranked yet what games were worth discussing anyone not on this list is garbage yeah according to wade's judgment and it turns out there are hundreds that are worth discussing but we don't have time to do that in one episode so we're

gonna get through as many as we can i'm sure sure a lot of you, your favorite game, the best game of all time, I will somehow not cover and it will piss you off. Well, just let us know on the Reddit. Maybe we can do a follow-up episode on this and just add to it later on. But there's only so many games we can get to in, you know, half an hour to an hour or whatever. So I did my best. We're going to do our best, but I'm sure a lot of you will be disappointed.

Maybe we'll do a part two if enough of you like this one and tell us, you know, what games you'd like to see rated. The way this ranking is going to work is I have a section at the top for like the standard of the genre. When you think of like a horror genre, what game is the standard you compare all other horror games to? Only those titles will make it into that section.

After that, there's S tier, A tier, B, C, D, F, and have not played. So we have quite a section here, but that's because there's going to be so many games that I felt like we needed multiple. And I do feel like there, at least for a lot of genres, there is the game you compare all other games to that come out in that genre. So it is pretty bold to make a declaration like that.

So we would have to be prepared to throw a lot of lightning on a lot of flames if we're going to make a declaration. We have to have a lot of fuel for our lightning flame chickens. And I think that we are prepared to carry the torch. And if anyone disagrees out there with us, well, this is a subjective ranking. So obviously you feel free to, but like. Nah, you're the host. You get all the blame and or credit.

Yeah, this is wade's fault mm-hmm wasteful all of it yep all right so it's like everything else we do excellent let's begin because there's a lot to get through okay all right so our first game we are going to rate i think should be one we've played a lot over the years gary's mod let's start with gary's i was looking at this one all of the game modes that come with it yeah i have a lot of caveats to what i think about gary's mod okay it depends on the context that we're talking about and i would say for this purposes of this list there's no specific thing it's not like the best game design or the best you know game someone has put out like

objectively like the things are all polished and they work. It's like a combination of how much you would enjoyed it, what it has, what it released with, but also DLC and or mods. I feel like Gary's mod, if you look at it on day one, when it came out, it's like barely even a game and I don't know the full history, but it doesn't want to include that. I think playing and watching are both valid aspects to rate on. Absolutely. So like it makes me want to discount it because it's almost an empty vessel i mean it is empty vessel right it comes with a couple of standard game modes maybe i don't know for sure what what it launched with but the thing about gary's mod that makes me think it's a high high tier game is that now with all of the

community stuff and all of the unbelievably funny shit that I've experienced in the game. I love it. It's very good. Very fun. But that's not intrinsically part of the game. That's like what people have made it. But I say that counts. Yeah. Somehow it makes me discount it somehow as well. Like, I don't know. How do you feel, Mark? It's a tough one. This is a tough year off the bat, I think. It is a tough one because you need to acknowledge a lot of history to even get to the point where Gary's mod does stand on its own. It's such a fascinating set piece because of its close relationship to Half-Life 2, the modding community in general, and being one of the last like standalone mods that emerged from a different game. There are a few games that did spawn from just mods or game modes. The most iconic of which would be Dota.

Dota probably, right? Yeah. Dota was a Warcraft 3 game mode, not even a mod. It was a game mode that was programmed into the game itself. And yet it is now League of Legends is probably one of the most popular games of all time. Very possibly. Very up there. If you count the entire world, it's pretty popular like in North America where we live. Huge, huge. Huge in Asia Pacific region and I think in Europe as far as I know. Absolutely. What genre of game is Garry's Mod even? Because there's so many different games. It's infinitely whatever you want it to be.

So does it even have a genre? What is it? It's like a sandbox game. It is genre defining. It's not even sandbox because it's not a game. It is pure sandbox. It's sandbox in that you have to build your own tools, right? There are some tools that are programmed in, but the best parts of Gary's Mod, like you were talking about, are the fact that people have

programmed mods for that mod. And it got so popular that Steam allowed it to be sold for profit on Steam, like Valve did, which is unheard of because it is almost entirely using assets from their game half-life 2 it is expanded beyond yeah it's effectively like a mod is that accurate or like a spin-off of half-life 2 because it's based on the engine and all of the default assets are from that game right it is called gary's mod that's the thing yeah there you go so where do you guys rank it that's it's in its own category it's it's the standard of the genre yeah i would say it defines its own genre because there's not anything that jumps to mind that matches it in terms of the variety of stuff it

can be and do yeah exactly all right there are certainly other sandbox games and other games that have had such flexible modding that like you could make anything like like roblox i guess comes to mind roblox is not unlike gary's mod in that you can essentially make any game you want in roblox but i feel like i don't know which came first but for me gary's mod is like the defining game of that type of thing okay the dominant one for any way yeah i mean i would love to spend so long talking about it but i'm going to move us on to the next one but i i agree i think gary's mod is the standard for a lot of those types of games how many prop hunt games have come out and it's like well this is fun but i mean there's more you can do with gary's mod

probably you know people always go back to the original the one that set the standard so i would agree i think gary's mod is a standard setter. Okay, let's do Pokemon. Now, Pokemon has all kinds of games. There's obviously been like seven, eight generations of Pokemon games. There's Pokemon Stadium, there's Pokemon Snap. But for the sake of time, we're just going to say Pokemon as a franchise. Where does Pokemon go? Oh, interesting. Is it a standard? Was there a game like it beforehand? I don't actually know if it was based on anything prior. Obviously, it has the card game and everything. It's a little bit tougher. It might also be a standard because of that. I don't know. It's complicated. I think,

man, I guess I've got to go first. I wouldn't say as much just because the, the idea of an RPG, right? That's what the original game was. It was a game before anything else, right? Before cards, before the show, before the craze, it was a game boy game and it was a simple rpg it was very fun and a lot of people latched onto it but it's course it's an rpg there were rpgs before it did that come before the cards the game i think so the game i don't actually know the answer i'm not like trying to be contrary i just actually don't know the answer yeah i don't actually know either i gotta look it up i guess pokemon timeline timeline of pokemon let's see february 27th pocket monsters red and green the first ever pokemon game in the primary games of

generation one released in japan for the game boy 1996 february 27th the game was released first and above all then trading cards in japan but pokemon came out for both the same time in the u.s yeah card game came out a few months later in Japan. It's a Game Boy game first. And in all honesty, it was probably I played I played Red. I thought it was very fun. I played the entire game. I played it all the way through. I think that it can't necessarily be genre defining for an RPG, but it could be genre defining for collectible pocket monster type things, because there's also Digimon and a bunch of other games that are like even gotcha games. aren't they technically kind of like pokemon not unlike

yeah yeah a lot of them are yeah you go and you need to collect different things and use them in different scenarios yeah yeah if we place uh pokemon in anything but you know a very high tier or in a section of its own people are going to to roast us alive. They're just going to kill us. Well, I think it's... That's the risk we take. I think it's complicated because Pokemon as a cultural icon is S tier. It's enormous. They have Mark, the show I watched as a kid.

I loved it. I liked the games. As a kid, I collected the cards. Like they were everywhere. It was a phenomenon. If we're talking about exclusively the game, I kind of agree with where you started, Mark. It was a phenomenon. If we're talking about exclusively the game, I kind of agree with where you started, Market. It's an RPG, right? I'm not an RPG expert by any measure, but I don't think it really does anything to dramatically evolve

the RPG sort of game genre over the years of its existence. I don't think when it came out, it was a particularly world changing RPG. It's like a solid game, and they have added things to it that are various levels of funny and interesting, depending on which feature you're talking about. But I feel like it's just like a solid RPG. I would say A or B. I would prefer B, but I don't want to get tarred and feathered. All right. It's good. They're consistently pretty good too, but they're not interesting enough to pull my attention anymore.

Like after a lifetime of seeing Pokemon, I get it that each new one has new Pokemon and new gimmicks or whatever. That's not enough to make me be like, Oh, I got to play it. And for listeners out there, we are focusing on the video game aspect. I know we've talked about the fact that there's a card game and all this other

stuff, the show. Yeah. We are focusing on video games specifically here. So whenever we're talking about like Pokemon is a standard of its own for what it is, but I think the video game itself is what we're focusing on. Yeah. Overall, culturally, it's huge.

I like it. I'm not obsessed with collecting or anything, but it's a huge thing. But the games themselves are like a part of that for me. Not really. The games don't stand out that strongly on their own. Yeah. It's kind of like how do you even talk about like one specific game? Because there are so many games. I think you kind of have to put it in its own category or else, you know, there's really no fairness to it. of it and i don't know if the games are the heart of the poke i feel like the cards and the lore is the heart of the pokemon thing that i'm not a really an expert on but i don't know i would say

b what do you think b mark where you said your own thing but you're so you don't want to you want to put it in b b b oh god i don't b is like good solid always you know what you're going to get consistently good games a for me is like it's at least one game in the franchise has to be like a standout or like you point to it as the one where you're like it's really good we have s a b c d f then we have haven't played in the standard i can see the reddit post now i can't believe they put pokemon in b globe xyz in B! Blob XYZ! I think the first couple Pokemon games that came out were S tier and

like above and beyond. I think they've done some good things with recent generations, but I do think that they've had it go on for so long and the formula has stayed so relatively the same that it has kind of diluted itself over the years a bit. So I don't know if I would still have it in S for all of the games, but I do think it's, I would have it probably A myself myself though my rating doesn't matter here it's you too yeah i

mean to me i don't really care for pokemon very much but even i have to acknowledge that it is kind of like it set a standard but i mean i guess it it set a standard that nothing else kind of like entered into so it kind of just like created its own little corner i mean i don't really like the games i would call it b okay mark and bob put it in b internet roast them all right come at me guess what i'm not reading the subreddit for the next two months all right done and done excellent work guys i can't wait to not be involved in that rating all this is wade's fault don't worry about it let's go with The Last of Us. Last of Us part one and part two, which obviously people feel very differently about the two parts. But Last of Us. Have you played those games, Bob? I have played the first one. I never actually

played the second one. There was so much controversy about it. I'm not sure how I feel about this. Let me try and say this in words because it's hard for me to phrase it somehow for some reason. There's something about the first one is the one I played. So there's something about that first game, that series where like it's no particular thing that stands out as like this. This is amazing. It changes everything. But everything about it was like polished or thoughtful in a way where I don't generally like action adventure type games like that. And I don't particularly like like scary games, which that's not a horror game, but the zombies and you know, there's some sort of jump scares and stuff. I don't play that kind of game because I don't prefer it over other stuff. But I played that whole game. And even when I would

finish a play session, like I got to a couple points, I remember where it was like fighting clickers in the school or something. It was kind of like stressful. It was like a dark level. I would put it down because I was like, oh, I need a break. God, I hate that. And then like the next day, my brain would be like, well, you don't keep playing that game, right?

You gotta, you gotta finish it. I can't put my finger on it, but there's something about it that made me really enjoy that game on a lot of levels. It's just really good, but I can't tell you why. I would put it at a pretty high tier. For me, writing and voice acting. Yeah, the voice acting was consistently good. The dialogue and everything and the story

kept me for sure. Remind me what game we're talking about. My brain's spaced. Last of Us. The old man and the teenage girl surviving the... Part 1 and 2. We're talking about both parts i have not played part two i did play part one i played it for a video which i'm not gonna let taint my

opinion of it because i played it like i'm trying to get videos done i think it's very good but i knock off points every time it's a movie game like it's a great movie game don't get me wrong it's a great movie game but it's it's it's a movie game it's a very good game the gameplay was fun that's fair still a movie game and i don't like movie games do you mean that in the context of just like it's it's a game where it feels like you're watching a movie a lot yeah it's like 50 or more linear and story driven yeah extremely linear the gameplay while being very engaging and i saw many gameplay videos of the last of two it was really incredible the amount of technology that they packed into the interactivity of what it was when you were playing the game and i did enjoy it when i was playing it

so i want to rate it very highly but i always knock off points for movie games because i'm like oh wouldn't this be better as a tv show or a movie than a game but at the same time it's fun so i'm like i would put it a day okay because i think it is a great game and i think it's a great story and it's fantastic in every way i just wouldn't put them at S just because it wouldn't be a game that I would go back and play over and over and over again. And for a game to be an S tier, it has to not only be like amazing in every way. The story has to be great. The gameplay has to be fun.

Engaging really makes you want to play through it. You have to be able to go back and replay it. That is S tier to me. Right. So I would put Last of Us at A. That's an interesting point about it being a movie game because I generally absolutely loathe that kind of game. Anytime a cutscene kicks in, I'm just like, oh, I think the last Call of Duty campaign was like that for me.

There were so many cutscenes. I'm not like a huge COD fan, but I wanted to play and I wanted to see. And the gameplay was fun, but I hate that. But even for The Last of Us, even the cutscenes, I would watch them like it was like a good, you know, movie or TV show. And I wasn't mad about it, which I would normally be. I would agree with you, A. I feel like that's solid and it's a solid game. After playing 1 and 2, I would probably also have it a day.

2 upset a lot of people. They didn't like the direction the story went. Emotional impact. I don't know if there's a game franchise out there that has hit me as hard as The Last of Us. There's been a couple of them that have been up there. It's definitely up there in emotional impact. But I would also, I up there an emotional impact but i would also i think a is a good place for it i think it's a good place for it seems fair so last of us at a yeah i feel good about um let's go into let's go into a fan favorite here five nights at freddy's

am i going first on this one have at it have. Have at it. Whoever wants to go first. Oh boy. Okay. All right. All of the, so this is the entire game franchise, not just the original, but all of the games. All 80,000 games. All right. So there's two ways I could look at this, right? I could look at it from the game purely by itself, or I could look at it at the fucking

dividends. It is paid out for me specifically. I guess you can. Because when it comes out all what i standard it's at the standard for mark's bank account what i just said about all those criteria for a game it's like oh it's great engaging storyline makes you want to keep playing and the replayability whenever i play that game even if i play it over again on my channel people still want to see it it's incredible i'm not i'm, I'm not criticizing it in any way for that. I'm saying like, man, that's the golden goose. That just, that just keeps giving.

But at the same time, if I'm being absolutely realistic about it, I think the game is okay. I think it was really interesting when it came out because it did kind of change the paradigm of horror games. And a lot of people could say for better or for worse, but one thing you cannot deny about the first game, even if it did have a lot of cheap jump scares, it nailed atmosphere. Yeah, it did.

It nailed mystery and a desire to peer into the darkness. And it created this sense of isolation that I think spilled over into a lot of other games, even if they didn't emulate the style of it, in terms of having the protagonist be completely helpless. And I'm not saying it was the first. Amnesia did it. Amnesia did having the protagonist be completely helpless. And I'm not saying it was the first. Amnesia did it. Amnesia did that. You were completely helpless. But in a way where you couldn't even move, you were on the defensive. Whereas Amnesia, you're running away. And that's a very different action. When you're playing Five Nights at Freddy's, you're completely defensive. All of your actions, and you do have many defenses, all of your actions are contingent on you staying in that place and keeping people out. And that is very different from keeping people away they're very different

things the fact that you can't run anywhere backs you into a corner and that feeling is one of the first times that you've actually had that sensation in a game so i do think it's very good it's not enough for genre defining except it kind of is because of the amount of fan games that come out of there come back to me he's gone we lost him come back to me all right bob give your opinion i mean i'm already i've already said in this episode that i'm not a huge horror game fan i played uh the first couple five nights games and like they're scary there's a lot of jump scares and i certainly appreciate that it was like a huge it was like a huge, it still is a huge thing for you in terms of YouTube stuff, because people are crazy for it.

I would say I get that people like the game, the lore and everything is it draws you in and everyone just wants to know what the hell's going on and who's who and what are all these? Are there so many haunted thingies and whatever? But that part makes me like it less like i can i think the game is interesting enough on its own and i can see the replayability for sure but everyone just freaking out about it and every time uh what's his name scott cawthorne would release a teaser people are like analyzing the pixels in the shadows that's uh that's purple guy and that's this there was a word on this paper it's referencing the bite of 86 or something like that all this shit people lose their mind over it and that's i have this complex that we've talked about i think before or i've talked about

where if something is insanely popular and every person i encounter is like you gotta watch the cvs series or you gotta play this game my mind mind is like, oh, cringy, gross. I hate it. So I feel like I would put it at a B or a C because it's a good, fine game and scary. But all of the people constantly talking about it and all of the ripoff merch everywhere, every town carnival you go to or whatever,

there's like knockoff Freddy Fazbear shirts and stuff. It's too meh, bleh. All right, all right so b for you mark where would you put it i'm hesitant to put it in a genre defining thing because it runs the risk of putting everything in a genre defining thing so uh what did you put it bob b but my opinion carries a little weight compared to yours no no i would put it at b as well because because it is a good game. I think it's a very good game and it's an iconic game and it's it's it's very fun. Well, very fun. Oh, God, you don't always have that much fun because you play it on harder and harder.

And then when you try to do the 420 or whatever, all that drives you insane. I guess I was compelled to do it, though. Maybe it's because it's hard to give it a fair judgment right now. I would have to go back in time and try to channel who I was back then, which back then, if I had to judge it at the time that I played it, which is the only fair time for me to judge it, I would have given it an A back then, no matter what my feelings after all these other games came out and all the lore got convoluted. The original game, I would put Five Nights at Freddy's 2 at an A easily. Sister Location at an A. There's enough games in there when it was at its heyday that I would put it A to give

the whole franchise an A. I wouldn't say S. I wouldn't say S out of fairness to all the other games that I want to put in S, but I would put it in A to honor it enough to be like, okay, you can sit at A. I'm proud of you. You did it, champ. You were there for me and goodness gracious, I'm proud of you. You did it, champ. You were there for me. And goodness gracious, I'm going to keep milking you for a while.

As a video game, I don't think it's super spectacular S tier, but I think the way that it's the standard or defining is how it worked for content creation, how it worked for content creators communities. I think if this game had come out in like 2004 people would have picked it up played it been done with it It would have kind of like disappeared But because we lived in the time of social media and you know like MatPat going through and breaking down Every pixel of every you know game every word of every book that came out

It became a huge phenomenon because of that and I think the big draw for viewers was one, the lore and two, the reactions of content creators. It was a game that was perfect for what we do more so than for a game that stands alone on its own two feet. I think that's where it gets complicated. So I'll bark it at A. I think, Bob, you said you didn't want to put too much weight on yours.

Mark's pretty content with A. So I'll put it at A. But I think that it sets a standard in ways that go beyond just the video game itself but as a video game i think a b is probably accurate no i think it's fair and you're the king of it so you get to say that's me i'm the king it's a god we have so many games to get through i'm sorry a nine hour long episode everybody uh let's do the Mass Effect franchise. Mass Effect 1, 2, 3, Andromeda,

whatever you've played, haven't played. Mass Effect, when it came out, Mass Effect was everything to me. I feel like it was huge. Not Andromeda. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I was going to say, you know what I'd like to do is just ignore everything that came

after the original trilogy because there's been Andromeda. Even the trilogy when mass effect 3 came out there was so much uproar before they passed it oh yeah all right let's let's count one two and seventy five percent of mass effect three plus the citadel dlc s s tier people forget the beginning of mass effect three was great it was fantastic. It was amazing. It was really good. Yeah.

I mean, honestly, it was 99% of 3. It was the fact that the ending didn't acknowledge it. Let's not talk about it. Let's not talk about it. Let's not talk about it. I don't think it needs to be discussed. And Andromeda is like hilarious. And even though it was kind of awful in its own special ways, it was also redeemable in some ways.

Yeah. I had fun with Andromeda. It wasn't just unbearably awful. It had things. It had some redeemable in some ways. Yeah. I had fun with Andromeda. It wasn't just unbearably awful. It had things. It had some of the Mass Effect things, but I would say yes. Yeah. S tier. Not standard defining. Great franchise. I don't even like that kind of franchise, but great franchise. Super fun. Mass Effect was like such an inspirational game for me. I played one so many times. I played two every single possible drip of content I squeezed out of that. Yeah.

I didn't know that. I played it over endlessly. I knew you liked it. I didn't know it was such a thing for you. I played every single route like Paragon and Renegade. I played everything. Mass Effect 3, I only played through a couple times because I was so sad about the ending. But the Citadel DLC was amazing and I did enjoy it very much.

It was incredible. S tier. S tier. S tier. Absolutely. But not standard defining for being a choose like choices game that's now though i'm not getting into the standards as there's been rpgs i mean it's a it's an rpg right i would not say you have to compare it to rpgs and i can't say that that's genre defining i think that one feature was cool

for sure yeah we should do a follow-up episode where we just come up with what the standards are for different genres that'd be fun let's retcon our standards so far we only got one standard and it's gary's mod we actually haven't gone over what the standards would be it's just like outliers rather than standards we're kind of putting it out so maybe we don't have standards because it's unfair i don't know we'll figure it out case by case it's all made up they know this all right so mass effect our first S tier. Solid. Let's do Zelda, the Zelda franchise. The franchise or a specific game? It's hard to say franchise.

That's what's really hard about it. It's up to you guys how you want to define it. We just don't have time to do every game of Zelda. So I'm just saying the franchise. But you can say Zelda and focus on the game that you want to rate. You don't have to go through all of them. You know how Death Battle does it where they pick their character at its strongest, right? At its lore based strongest. So you just pick out like the best game and judge it by that.

That's fine. I mean, we kind of did without mass effect. So sure. Go for it. And then maybe count some of the worst games. I don't know, but I haven't played all the games. Those could be counter arguments. We're just doing Zelda and you guys can focus on whatever part of it you want to, but Zelda, this is the only rating we're going to zelda and you guys can focus on whatever part of it you want to but zelda this is the only rating we're going to give to it unless people are like no you have to break down lynx awakening versus you know whatever i haven't played that many zelda games actually the zelda game that i have played the most is um the newest one what's that called on the switch breath of the wild that's the one god she played so much, can't even remember the name.

Listen, that's the only Zelda game that I think I've actually finished more than once. And I thought it was super fun. I think it's a very fun game. I got to the point playing that with Mandy where we had maps up. We had the strategy guide and we were just trying to hunt down every last shrine. Just looking. Just to see the different parts of the world and stuff and people have complained and it's not an unfair complaint that there are huge parts of that world that are feel like vast empty filler with

nothing a lot of open world games have that problem and no but like that's kind of how the world is especially if you're talking about some sort of very long time ago world where the quickest travel is horses and you know whatever i think it's a solid game and i think as a franchise too zelda has some real misses and some really funny games like i really enjoy zelda 2 watching it playing it makes me want to die inside but i think it's a good franchise like i would say a or s franchise because the variety of experiences you can get in playing all the different games, the ways they've tried to innovate that worked or didn't work. I think overall, it's a great franchise and there are some big misses and bad games, but overall, A, S area for me.

All right. I would kind of agree. Yeah, it's hard because judging as a franchise, I think franchise is definitely A. I played the crap out of Ocarina of Time. I know that's a very milquetoast opinion to say like, this is a great game. But I mean, as a kid, I played the shit out of it. I played it over and over and over again. I played it nonstop. I had the strategy guide and everything.

I loved that game. But I didn't play Breath of the Wild as a thing. So I'm going to defer to Bob on this one because I don't think I have enough of a basis to even create an opinion. If I did make a big declarative opinion, I think people would roast me alive just because I'm not informed enough. If I was just on Ocarina of Time, that game was amazing. I would put that game as an S tier because of just how much I replayed it. But I can't judge the franchise in that same way. I guess I want to qualify my opinion too is I'm not a huge fan of playing the Zelda games. I find them very frustrating. I guess I want to qualify my opinion too, is I'm not a huge fan of playing the Zelda games. I find them very frustrating. I don't know if we've talked about

this. I'm a first person shooter guy. My favorite game of all time is probably the original Halo Combat Evolved on Xbox. So all of these games we've talked about, or most of them, don't really fall into what I like. Zelda is one of the ones where I haven't played a lot of the games, but I've probably watched almost every Zelda game. I've watched a playthrough or I've watched speed running of it because speed running in Zelda games is fascinating, especially the N64 games, Ocarina and Majora's Mask. There are some insane bugs and skips and things, but like even despite the fact that I wouldn't enjoy sitting down and playing A Link to the Past, I think it's a great game and I respect why people who love the game

and have played it through a hundred times have and why they love it. I think that's a great game and I respect why people who love the game and have played it through 100 times Have and why they love it. I think that's legit. Okay, so s or a tier So that's where my opinion is coming from. I would say yes if mark is deferring s tears Zelda. I am deferring I've actually never finished playing through a Zelda game. I've watched like you Bob It's not for me But it's had such an impact and the people that love it are so endeared to it. And I do think like Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask made such a huge impact. Breath of the Wild that like, yeah, I think S tier is fair.

Wind Waker. Yeah, Wind Waker. It's unarguable that the quality of the games are incredible. Yeah. Cannot be argued. All right. Zelda is our second S tier. Take that, Pokemon fans.

Yeah, suck it, Pokemon. Let's go with the Call of Duty franchise. Any Call of Duty you want or not want, this can include the zombie mode, multiplayer, the story, whatever aspect you want to talk about, all of it, none of it. Call of Duty. You want to go first, Mark? I feel like you keep taking it.

Uh, Call of Duty. I am not a Call of Duty guy. I have played Call of Duty. Bob, we've played Call of Duty duty guy i have played call of duty bob we've played call of duty together a few times not as much as you played call of duty on your own we've done the zombie mode together the three of us we've done zombie mode yeah we've done that before it's it's fun um b okay because for me it's just like i know i know people are already like getting it's just like it's a it's a shooter. It's an okay shooter. I've played a lot of shooters in my day.

A lot of shooters that had a lot more of an impact on me as a person. Call of Duty is way down there. It's way down there on my list. I would not even put it in the top 10 of my favorite shooters. Maybe not even the top 20, but I would have to like really think about that. It is B. It's good. It's a milked through franchise. It's a milked through

franchise. It has been milked. It has been squozed. It is a dry husk of what it formerly was. The only Call of Duty game that I played that I really loved, I think was Call of Duty 4. Was the World War, back when it was all World War 2 shooters. That was when we lived together, Mark. Yeah. Was that it? Was that the World War 2 one? COD 4 was the first modern one. COD 4 was Modern Warfare. I played about a thousand hours of that in our dorm room with you sleeping next to me. COD 3 or 2 then. That's the one that I played on my own. And that was pretty okay. It was just like a mediocre World War II shooter. But the rest of the games I never got into. I never got super inspired by. Then again, I have a bias against competitive multiplayer games. So I say B, but I am biased. Okay.

I enjoy Call of Duty. I think you're pretty dead on Mark that it's very played out and they definitely reached a point in like the 2010s where every new game would come out. And like, there was one where you could wall run and like practically fly and all this, you know, like future warrior bullshit. And there have definitely been games that came out where I didn't even want to play it. And I looked at it and then maybe I went and played it later, but like it looked laughable. But overall for me, I love Call of Duty. I love it. COD 4 was probably the first game that I put thousands of hours into competitive. I think the first game I put a lot of time into was like the Halo, the original Halo trilogy. I played the absolute shit out of those. And I would have

land parties with buddies and play that, do custom modes and stuff. But I also just played those games a lot because I love those games. COD 4 and Modern Warfare 2, I put so much time into. And those were some of the first games that got me into competitive FPS games, and that's still probably like my top genre. My current favorite games are like Valorant. I have easily over, I don't know, 1,000 to 2,000 hours in like Counter-Strike Global Offensive. I love it, but I completely appreciate that that's not for everybody, and I also have to acknowledge that the franchise has been really up and really down. I do also think that a lot of the campaigns in the Call of Duty franchises have been really fun. Not like super story rich,

but iconic characters and then iconic characters returning and like just really fun firefights and fun moments over the course of a wild action story. I would put it at like a solid A because I personally just enjoy it so much and it has been the franchise has been a big part of my life since like well i played the first one on pc too i think i've played every cod game that's come out even though i've really really hated some of them i would say a but i get why b would you say b you said b you said b so we had a b and an a i screwed around on call of Duty a little bit before. Was it Black Ops that came out that was the first one that had the zombie mode? I think that's true. I think Black Ops, yeah, yeah, because it had the Nazis. So that's when I super,

super got into it was when they added the zombie mode. And then like I started playing the multiplayer more after that. And we would get together at friends' houses and play multiplayer. Our friend Jesse and I would get on, we would would play we had like the little headset that we'd put on go hop in and play multiplayer and got super into it i've definitely played a lot of call of duty i remember getting excited for different releases when modern warfare 2 came out it was huge uh warzone came out i think they've got like a war zone 2 coming out now or something they got all kinds of stuff yep i don't know where i would rank it that's tough because some of them have had really really good innovative fun things like the zombie mode and so on and so forth. But so many of them are just

basically a reskin with some new maps that I didn't like as much as the old maps. So it's tough. I think A or B is fair. I don't think it's a huge difference. Break the tie. I'll give it an A. I'll give it an A overall because I think it's survived this long. State is popular as it has. And I think it's done enough interesting things over the years. The zombie mode alone, to me, bumps it up a little bit. So I will put Call of Duty at an A. B, I think, is also fair. Let's move on.

We've only rated like six games. Did you say A, Bob? Yeah. You said A. Oh, OK. I thought you said B as well. I said A, but I appreciate why you gave it a B. OK, cool.

All right, cool, cool. Thanks. I'm going to group these two together. They're different games, but they're kind of like the same genre, and you guys can, you know, differentiate if you'd like. Rock Band and Guitar Hero. Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo! I actually got into these games because of Mark indirectly. Easy, easy also. Oh, tell your story though. When I was with my ex in college, I think you had left your Guitar Hero thing in like her apartment.

And I came over and we just started playing it. And I just like super got into it. Then I got my own version of it. But it's because you would like lended it to my ex that I played it for the first time. And I really loved playing. It was Guitar Hero that we played then. But then Rock Band came out. I love both of them.

I think they're both really fun. They were very different. Getting to listen to like some of your favorite songs and feel like you were playing it was really awesome. So that's my two cents. Now you guys have the floor uh genre defying and it is its own genre if there was ever something to be genre defining this is it yeah i would say specifically i guess you have to credit rock band because i think that one came first yeah no no another one guitar hero came first that's what i meant because mark we had guitar hero 3 on we in our dorm room do you remember how much time we spent playing that oh yeah and then joy would come over from next door

and just like destroy us completely and get all the top scores or whatever oh yeah i love those games so much grinding away on uh what was it dragon smith what was it called oh uh through the fire and flames yeah. Dragon Force, yeah. Just like trying to get there, failing every time. And try to get perfect on like, what was that one? Jessica? Jessica? I don't remember.

Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Getting to download songs. Cliffs of Dover also, yeah. Cliffs of Dover. I love playing Cliffs of Dover, man. It was a fun one to play. That game also introduced me to so much music that I had never heard. And then that like stuck with me over the years.

Like I'll go back and just listen to Cliffs of Dover sometimes. And I never even knew it existed prior to that game. I have a rock band guitar in my closet right now. I will group them together as standard defying. I don't know that we can rank rock band differently. So I'm just going to put them together as the standard. But Guitar Hero did come first. I would agree.

I think that's fair. And that's quick and easy one to group group up yeah i mean i know they're different games but rock band very much uh is just guitar hero with like drums and singing you can yeah you can only really compare them to each other but rock band added the other instruments whereas guitar you're focused on the guitar so i mean you know whatever there are other really cool rhythm games anyone ever played dj hero i love that one when I was in college too. No, but in Korea and Japan, they have like a lot of those arcade ones that are DJ based.

Oh, those look crazy. Yeah, they're nuts. I've seen the videos. Rhythm games over there are, much like League of Legends, crazy. Well, it's like DDR songs and stuff too. It's like super fast, crazy stuff happening. It's beyond.

The controls on some of the videos I've seen look absolutely out of this world. Like a circular screen and you touch everywhere around. Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts. Genre defining. Genre defining. All right. Done. Easy. Uh, where would we rank? Which one do we want to go with here? There's so many good games. Let's do the Assassin's Creed games. Assassin's Creed. Uh, fine. It's all right. Yeah yeah this is a tough one for me i know that people hold this franchise in their heart i played the first one when it came out because i had a buddy who was really hype on assassin's creed and we went in his basement and popped the disc into the xbox and like started playing i always found it frustrating it was always billed as like this

fluid climbing on buildings and jumping and doing attack and it was never fluid enough i was always frustrated where you he's like okay climb climb awkwardly climb find the spot i'm in the right spot and the guy you're trying to kill walks right beneath you and you're all attack attack he's right there attack and then your guy just jumps down onto the ground and everyone is like oh and it's all like fuck fuck just just he was right there damn it yeah that's my main memory of those games is they never quite delivered on that experience i put it as c c okay i agree i'd give it c yeah it's a very i like the like lore in the world and the memory shenanigans where you're diving into your own dna and whatever that's cool but the gameplay was let down yeah frustrating oh that's fair i mean i think like some of the etzio games which i think

was assassin's creed like two and three were really top tier there were moments where like you know the controls could feel a little frustrating and they did get a bit repetitive over time and i don't think i finished i was playing through odyssey i never finished it i was playing through um valhalla never finished it it just became the same like go do some collectibles do some side missions like you know a lot of those games where it's like you you're so busy trying to 100 it that you get bored and don't finish the story that you were actually interested in yeah so i think that's fair you touched on this game earlier bob what's about the halo series that's another one that people bought the xbox exclusively for halo back in the day like that that was the reason to go with xbox

over playstation during the console wars yes was halo do you want to go first mark oh no no you can go first oh unless did you go first last time we kind of both did it at the same time because we both didn't care for it mine mine's mine's very quick because i think like judging based on one two three specifically three and reach are the ones that I played the most of I think is a fantastic game the quality is outstanding the mood I base games on mood a lot the feel of it is incredible however I never replayed them so I can't put it s I put it a that's what I'd say I think they're incredible they've fallen off a lot they've fallen off a lot at least the show was good. Oh yeah. I love that. Wait,

I love Johnny reach. Yep. Where do you have a halo Bob? This one's tough for me because I, I want to say just because of my personal connection to it, that a genre defining, but I don't really think that's accurate. I do want to say that in terms of twin stick console shooters, and I'm not, as far as I know, Halo was a giant leap forward. I went from N64 to Xbox. My friends had like GameCubes and I played other games in the intermediate. Like I played like time splitters and stuff. But for me, Halo was the first console twin stick shooter that felt like it was in the next generation of shooters. I don't know if it was the multiplayer because the multiplayer with the custom modes that you could do and the maps

they had were very iconic for me. But the feel of Halo, the first time I played it, I remember being completely struck in awe at what the game was, how interactive some of the characters were, and how responsive the controls felt compared to a lot of other console fps games that i had played i don't accurately remember the time but i feel like it it was the start for me at least of like the new generation of shooters and what they could be and it inspired a lot of replays for me and a lot of land parties and staying up all night to do you know rocket surfing with my buddies and practice that and see how it worked and do you know playing swap before it was an official game mode all this

stuff it defined a large part of my childhood but i feel like it also represented a big jump forward in games but that may not be accurate so i would give it an s or an a but i'd prefer s okay so we're split right now s and a i thought games were solid. I understand the impact that they had and how people exclusively would go to Xbox for those games, which was amazing to see. But I was more of a PlayStation guy, so I didn't play a whole lot of the Halo games. I played through the campaign with my brother, but that was pretty much it.

For me, the game was an A, but it's hard for me to say that it doesn't deserve an S. Just personally, I wouldn't put it there. Are you comfortable with me putting it in an A, or do you want to fight for S, Bob? No, that's okay. I feel like it wasn't as big for people who didn't get into Halo. It wasn't something where even if you'd never heard of it, you kind of had heard of it or played it. But the Halo community, at least during the first trilogy, was huge. And especially when online play started, I think people who liked it really,

really liked it and got into it back then. This gonna have to be like a five-part series because we've gotten through like 10 games in an hour this is like amazing how much we have to say do you want to try to speed round it we could try uh it's gonna be tough we could try pick the controversial ones um world of warcraft world of warcraft god do you judge it by how many lives it's destroyed or do you judge it by how much life of mine it destroyed? Is it the standard of MMOs? In the early years, I feel like it did set the standard for MMOs for a long time and a lot of people emulate it even now, but I don't know if it does anymore. Yeah. I cherish the time that I played with it, but if I had to judge it on how it is now, it is a shadow of its former self.

And the thing about MMOs is that they're a continuous game. They don't exist at one point in time. For my memories of it, I would have, if you asked me in 2011, I would have said S tier. If you asked me now, based on the game, how it is, F. So I'll put it right in the middle as C. C.

That thing has destroyed lives. That's true. That thing has destroyed lives. Bob, you and i personally know someone whose life is destroyed we've never heard from him again so you two are blaming the game for you destroying their life i see both yeah yeah sure c i agree c i have to agree wow okay wow is a c i thought you guys put that in the standard i'm shocked that's fine i haven't played a lot of it so i'm going to defer to you two every came before it, it's not its own genre.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, Diablo franchise. Diablo 1, 2, and 3. We don't have to talk about Immortal. We can leave that out of it. He said, choking back tears. I don't wanna talk about Immortals. I- I played a little of Immortal, it was okay. The problem with Immortals, the longer you play, the more you find that you can't compete with those. Like, there was someone that spent so much money, that they were in their own pvp bracket and nobody else could compete with them so it wouldn't even place

them in matches because they spent money and the other people hadn't didn't have the same gear the man who got a penis enhancement surgery too much now no one can love him basically his dick too big i don't know diablo doesn't mean that much to me so diablo for me was that was my childhood i played diablo 2 all through high school college even past until diablo 3 came out and even after 3 came out there were parts of 2 that i still longed for it was a huge part of my life judging based on how many hours i put in i put it at a nah a no a a Are you supposed to change it when you hesitate? I don't want, I couldn't in good faith put it in S, but for me, A. A. No, actually, A.

It just doesn't mean as much, but I play the shit out of it. A. Maybe? A. I can agree with that. I think they're very, the first three, if we ignore Immortals and the issues it has, I think it's a solid game. Like, I have fun when I play it. It just doesn't draw me in which is more statement about me i'm comfortable putting it today it's had its fair share of issues over the years and i i think a is solid and we'll see what four brings

us hopefully it's good um okay let's do pub g and fortnight we can do them together separately why together no well they're unfortunately they are intertwined they are intertwined pub g came out first using some of the whatever the engine was and then fortnight came out a little bit after fortnight is obviously the standard we think about now but at the time at one point at least pub g was the battle royale before battle royales took over i don't really like battle royales so i put it at pub g at like a d it's not completely unfair when i first came out i was so into it it was probably a tier for me that game just ripped off a daisy though yeah well yeah i guess daisy too yeah that's another one i could

have put on the list what do you think bob i love the past tense pub g i in the couple years in the heyday of pub g like the era right after it came out up until 1.0 release almost but a little before that even that was the only game i played a lot of the time every day it would hit the time of day and i would text the squad and we would hop in pub g and that was the activity personally i would put fortnite at f okay and it's a total vendetta i hate the building in fortnite i think it's stupid i think it's insane you can play without it now i know and i like that mode way better i think it's insane that a person can build a castle in front of you in 10 seconds and if you're not capable of building a five-story tall tower in two flicks of your wrist then you don't stand a shot against you know any other any player that can do that i have nothing else against fortnite it's a very cool game the aesthetic is good and pubg has

so many more real issues and bugs that are still in the game even now yeah but i love pubg so much i would put pubg at like a a but it's also not unfair to put it at a d because it has the same bugs that it's had since it came out. It's such an awful game and they haven't been able to fix some of the stuff for years. But I love it. That game functioned like ass. Literally nothing for me worked.

Lag was insane. And then shots never went where you thought they were. And I just don't like that. The only thing I liked about it was the zombie mode and even that was hard to get working and lagged like crazy.

They never could get that to work. Where you put pub g me d okay so bob's a or b compromise on a c so c we think pub g is a c what about fortnight for you mark fortnight i again where toby was born i toby toby yeah all right again i don't like Battle Royales. I like the single player game better than the multiplayer game. D as well. And I don't care who hates me for it. I wish it would be an F. We can put it in F. Let's put it in F for Fortnite. Fortnite's our first and only F.

We have no Ds, but Fortnite's an F. Take that, kids. Take that, kids. You know, the thing I don't like about Fortnite was they had an interesting game that really wasn't doing that well. then pubg started doing well and then all of a sudden they made this new game mode that just like they put everything into fortnite save the world was really cool and i played that before the battle royale even existed and i was like oh this has promise this is interesting and then they were like screw that game let's make battle royale

yeah and they never did anything so that rubbed me the wrong way too but obviously people are gonna have fortnight at s tier not way higher i think for us you know this is again personal rankings we're not ranking for what we think the world is this is just for us fortnight at drf pubg at c is fine for me i'm fine with that um grand theft auto franchise uh three and four were so big when they came out. Vice City and... If you looked at the recent GTA 6 game... 7... 6 gameplay... 6. Oh, fucking trash.

They've fallen off. I haven't seen anything about the leaks. Oh, fucking garbage. This game is... So Grand Theft Auto V... Is that what they... There's so many games. Grand Theft auto 5 was the

one where you have three playable characters and that's the one that has had all of the online spawned off of gta 5 rpg stuff come off of yeah yes role play i think that grand theft auto is a little overrated but i also think i appreciate those games in a different way than a lot of people do i think it's good as a franchise but the first couple games like have you seen the first one the like top down yeah a camera it looks like it's unrelated to the rest of the franchise it's sure three was really where it was almost the standard because three came out and you could get in cars you could drive around you could like do all these different things like it was just so crazy the things you could do in

three compared to other games that were coming out around that time yeah and then vice city introduced like what helicopters and boats and motorcycles and things it was like oh my god all the things you could do i don't know what the genre is but i guess is gta genre defining is it genre creating i think three was a standard overall i'm not sure if it is but I think three was it changed things when three came out yes I guess having that giant world in that platform the PlayStation 2 was kind of incredible at the time uh looking back now it looks like a bag of ass but that's how most games do looking back then I don't have any strong opinions about GTA I don't think I've ever finished a campaign of any game oh okay i finished all the campaigns on three four and five but i did not finish four

i finished three vice city and five where would you put it bob i don't know if genre defining i find it overrated everyone gets really hype about it and the rp stuff the role play stuff people seem to really enjoy it's just not that exciting to me but i can't argue that it's like a bad franchise if you include the how successful it's been yeah it's the second best-selling game of all time gta 5 i think like it's gotta be a at least for me i guess my hardcore memories of the game the ones that stand out the most are me as a teenager picking up hookers on the street oh yeah and then going into a dark alley your car shake and your money go down. And then I'm just like, oh, wow.

You know, just the car shake. At least virtual me got laid. Oh, wow. Oh, gosh. So, A. I have that exact same memory. That's so weird. Oh, weird.

GTA is an A because we're just going to try to cram in. Let's speed around like one or two more games here. What's another really big one? The Doom franchise. Let's do that one for Mark. Doom games. Oh man, I think S. Doom could not be anything higher than S.

I think to say it's not an S would be a disservice to just how much of an impact it did on the world and just how good the first game and Eternal was. Just how transformative it was in terms of like a run and gun shooter. Not the standard though of shooters? It wasn't the standard back then even? There's too many shooters. I don't think you could say anything. I would fight that with Half-Life. I feel like it's hard to say. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I would fight it a lot, but I would say S easily. Easily, easily, easily. Playing Doom Eternal gave me a headache. It's not my kind of game, but the soundtrack for that slaps. It does. The music and the world building around Doom in general, even though I haven't played almost any of the games, I'm aware of it

because it's fantastic. And the original Doom game had a bunch of contemporaries, but I would say it was almost genre defining because it did represent a huge leap forward at the time it came out in like what shooter games look like and could be. I think it has to be S. It was that and Wolfenstein that I remember hearing about as a kid growing up. It was Wolfenstein and it was Doom. Those were the two you talked about when it came to shooters. Yeah. Cause those were the shooters. There was nothing else came to shooters yeah because those were the shooters there was nothing else well okay that's it's not that there wasn't anything else we'd take too long to get into the other ones yeah so standard for you bob and s tier for you mark yeah s tier s tier s tier okay we'll put that in s tier let's go shit i had one i wanted to do where is it it'll have to be the last one i think

better be a good one what's okay then we're gonna take a pause here let's find a good real good last one to end on if you guys have a game that you want to rate that you think is one that we should end on a big one uh there's like the fallout series the elder scrolls series those are big dark souls i think everyone remembers how i feel about the souls games Do you want to do the Souls games? Because I would just judge it on Elden Ring or Bloodborne. Fuck. Well, hell, we're talking about...

Yeah, let's do Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Bloodborne. Let's just group all those together, which I know people might hate, but let's rate those. Bobby, you want to go first? I don't like them. Oh, this is going to be spicy.

Take that, Souls games fans. All right. F tier for Bob. No, I is going to be spicy. Take that, Souls games fans. All right. F tier for Bob. No, I mean, that's harsh. The main reason I don't like them is that they're a type of game that I find very frustrating and not in a way that's fun. And I get that people like that. And I think it's just really annoying.

But you know what I do like is that the new ultimate playthrough, all the Souls games, including also Bloodborne and then the other one, I forget, and then also through Elden Ring has been done. Wow. And I appreciate that because what an actual feat of pure masochism and insanity, but it's damn impressive. Yeah. No hits, right?

No hits. Yes. Ungodly, unfathomable. Here's like my take on it because I get where Bob's coming from. Dark Souls, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1, 2, and 3, all of those, those four games, I couldn't get into because I found the movement too clunky to be able to really enjoy it. Then Bloodborne came along and it changed my entire opinion of those types of games. I loved Bloodborne. It was a more fast paced, more, uh, you get hit, you try to hit back to reclaim health. It was more engaging.

You felt like you had more agency on your movement and your attacks, and you were controlling the pace of the battle with what you were doing. Therefore it became, instead of frustrating, it became very fun. I loved Bloodborne. That is an S game by itself. Then Sekiro, I didn't get into too much. I know people love it. It's kind of fast too. Like that's even faster than Bloodborne, but I didn't really like it as much. Then Elden Ring came along and I had never fallen in a love with a game. So back and forth at first I was like, it's like Dark Souls. I can't really get into it. Then I just experimented with different play styles, different weapon styles. And I realized that it did have even a little bit more in some spaces, mobility and maneuverability than Bloodborne did. And it was kind of fast paced. If you let it be fast paced, it was like pick your

own style of game in that it was so fun. It was just so there was something just so satisfying about even beating a normal enemy that kept you going once you found your rhythm and you kept moving forward and yes ungodly frustrating that is not for everybody i have to put the entire soul series at an s tier it's transformative it is genre defining it is incredible it is replayable i played bloodborne and elden ring so many times and it just had such an impact on the world in terms of opening people's eyes and game developers being like wait maybe we haven't been doing games right for a while if this one is so loved you know i i just love it i love it so much and i love what it's done okay s tier bob where'd you put it i i'll agree with mark i feel like i have a weak opinion on this one but i appreciate

the god runs because i think they're fantastic so i agree soul. Souls series S tier. Okay. Yeah, Bob, I would try. Have you tried Bloodborne? I actually have never tried to play Bloodborne. I've tried to play Souls 3 and then I played Elden Ring a bit and those are the only games I've really played. I can totally see why your frustration would come about. Those are actually very hard ones to jump into. Bloodborne is also very difficult and it'll be'll be brutal in the beginning but once you it has more in its systems that keep the fight engaged it'll still frustrate you with things jumping out around the corners and the fucking dogs the dogs and all those games are awful dogs they look awful but bloodborne is actually an incredibly fun game when you beat the first boss when you get to that point

if you can beat the first boss i'm almost certain you will actually feel that sense of i fucking did it yes it does give quite the feeling of accomplishment when you succeed but man do i i've played three i've played some of two i played through bloodborne mostly and i think a decent amount of elden ring and i have a love hate relationship where yeah once you get that accomplished feeling of beating something you've struggled with it feels great and then you go and die to something really stupid. You lose your souls and you die getting back and you just want to beat your head against the wall because you forgot to spend them and the frustration and the pain and misery

that I feel. I have a very big love and hate relationship with it, but I can't argue that they belong probably in A or S tier. Yeah. I also feel like I have to add a correction because someone's going to point it out. God Run 3 has not actually happened. People are working on it. The new God Run 3, including Elden Ring now, will happen.

Okay. I will watch some of it, but not all of it because it's going to take like multiple days. You know, that's one of the worst things about those games is like spending what feels like hours trying to master a boss and then beating it. And then you go and you watch someone beat it in like two minutes without taking a single hit whenever you barely scrape by with like all the end game gear and they've got like nothing besides a wooden sword. Yeah, you watch a naked guy in underwear with a stick

just like beat it by never getting hit over a 30 minute fight and slowly chipping it to death. Or they go and they speed run to like this one sword and they just happen to have just enough stats to put it on and they go and they just like swipe three times and it dies yeah yeah well there we go we covered all video games all we did it we did it boys and all that time we only talked about 18 games that's still a lot of games it is a lot i've got a list of like 40 more we haven't touched and i'm sure there's tons out there everyone else wants to see so if you guys do want to see a follow-up to the

tier list let us know we don't want to do every podcast episode just talking about this but if enough of you want to see it we'll we'll do a follow-up because there's so many more games we want to rate it's just hard to get to them all in this amount of time and talk about them wade's gotta win another time eventually yeah root for me if you want to see another tier list if we do another game another tier list next time we'll continue games i know there was more food restaurants we didn't do too as opposed to other kinds of restaurants as opposed to drink restaurants or sleep restaurants as we all know and all right look i'm gonna wrap up here uh man i've got to declare a winner i kind of forgot about that part uh points yeah um hmm i'm looking

at where things are rated and how I agree or disagree the points you all made about it. I feel pretty good about this one, Bob. I don't know. I think you should sit back down. I actually don't feel great about what I contributed. I feel like I was a big negative Nancy this time around. And while I love having spicy takes, I also feel bad about it.

Interesting. But take that, Pokemon fans. Yeah, suck it, Pokemon. You know, for having the balls to immediately just say Fortnite's an F, I'll give the win to Bob. Ooh. I feel like you're going to get so much hate from that one take. I don't know if you will. That I'm going to give you the win just so you can have a little something to feel good about

while you're being blasted for the next rest of your life. That would give him more hate, though. Take that, Fortnite kiddos. Yeah. I won because you like a dumb game. I don't know how many Fortnite fans we have that listen to us, but that one take, I was, I was surprised that you just went right for it. I was going to knock you some points for, you know, not being super into Diablo, but you know, I can't really blame you for it. Mark and I love Diablo. You didn't really give them as much love as it deserved.

Yeah. I have no hate for Diablo. It's a good's a good game it's good franchise it's just not for me but just going right for the jugular of fortnite and fortnite fans i gotta give you some bonus points for that so bob is our winner we have so many games left thank you guys for listening and i guess uh loser speech mark uh i am sick and i want to go to bed. Too bad. We got work to do. Bob, winter speech. Oh, it feels good. It feels so good. And make sure you follow the podcast.

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