Distractible - Video Game Tier List (Part 2)

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

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Good evening, gentle listener, and welcome to Distractible. This week, it's fun and games again, as stuntman Mark calls on Reddit to eat his balls and identifies toxic communities. Bob off-plays on baby mode, but dunks on sports. And it's winning Wade's birthday. The Industrious Chap,

working just for you, gentle listener. Just for you. From the Sims to eSports. Yes. It's time for Video Game Tier List, Part 2. Now sit back and prepare to be distracted and enjoy the show. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Distractible. I'm today's host, Wade. Welcome to the show

where one of us, there's three hosts. The other two compete for points. The judges decide if they get points, how many points, so on and so forth. Picks the winner for the next episode. We talk about whatever the heck we want. want and per usual my two co-hosts are with me mark and bob hello hello hello i'm on a losing streak it's injustice and we will rise up against this injustice and we will take distractible by the balls and we will force it into our own universe of me who do you think you are wade yeah maybe i don't know i just feel like the the distractible subreddit should be uprising Me. Who do you think you are, Wade? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I just feel like the distractible subreddit should be uprising against this injustice

and not focusing on simple distractions that are only caused by Wade and his evil evilness. You know what's funny? There's a lot of stuff in the subreddit, and I'm not going to mention most of it, but I will say in the last week um even after wade's been winning a bunch wade and i are trading wins back and forth as agreed wait a minute uh i'm still seeing people in the subreddit who are like i'm here to stay in wade wade doesn't get enough respect these guys never let wade win i agree especially today you know why today it's april it's uh is it raining is it bald appreciation day you know i was gonna do an episode about the hell well do you guys know me but you've already both

lost because you didn't even acknowledge it's my birthday because it's definitely my birthday when we're recording this and it's my birthday right now as people are listening to this well seems like that would have been a good uh good first question in the how well do we know you yeah i guess probably yeah well i was uh kind of leading on to see if we go that route but you both failed so we're gonna go a different route today but nice nice try okay i think it's just because you couldn't have been bothered to come up with a list of questions because that's why he doesn't deserve to win because he doesn't do the research ahead of time and come prepared with hilarious bits and goofs and gaffs and this is not fair i don't need to prepare my hilariousness is just here i'm just built different all right then make me laugh make me laugh i dare

you i dare you make me laugh i like how marcus try aggressively to cut his own legs off before we've even begun and wait it's just like, I'm not biting. Yeah, Wade, I'll win this episode. How are you going to stop me, judge? What? Are you talking to yourself now? Look, I know that I'm not going to win this one because when Wade's in charge, he has a vendetta against me.

Even though he has taken away all of my wins and I've earned them back through sheer hard work, I have a feeling he's just going to take them away again and then make me lose and preemptively lose for the next few rounds and so i'm just gonna rage against the dying of the light oh i will take them away again we've never explored the the bounds of the of the host's power how far into the future can a host reach how much can you take from other people in the future i decree as host for today and today only, Mark can never win again. Let's see how long that holds up. But all of my sound bites, remember the turnaround? I've got so many more lined up and ready.

The turnaround. Yeah, no, I remember. I love that one. Great, play it. Let me just check my soundboard here. Well, hold on there. There's got to be something here. Wait, wait.

Wait, is something actually going to happen? You've entered the bonus round! Oh, boy! That was so loud. That was so loud. Well so loud yeah well we heard it didn't we so you know what one point mark for having us out that's pretty good all right cool all right how's um everything going on your project that you want to tell us everything about yeah details details details it's going well uh i don't know what date this is going to air, so it may or may not have been announced, but I'm going to... Literally my birthday.

I'm going to air on the side of it not have been announced yet, so just in case, just in case. It's going well. It's great. Very, very cool and fun and interesting, and it's engaging, challenging, and I'm learning new stuff every day, and it's getting, like, feeling very fulfilling and yada, yada, yada. Is it good? Would you and it's engaging challenging and i'm learning new stuff every day and it's getting like feeling very fulfilling and yada yada yada is it good would you say it's good oh man if i like i'm gonna show you guys a clip uh later that you know just like you keep to yourselves but it's like it's just it's really really cool like what we're making is just kind of can we show it on while we're recording our faces and wade and i are just like yeah i know right here i'll text it to the group and let me see it's just a it's a short clip of

a stunt that we did but it's just like it's just like so i'm gonna send this to the group chat and you guys give a live reaction for for everyone who's so concerned about leading too much into visual gags we're not going to show anything there's nothing to see so there's nothing to see it's this is exactly what we do all the time when we're like i'm going to show you this thing and then you hear us go it's like the olden days with nothing to look at and no descriptions to be had anywhere visuals man that was sure would have been a smart thing to prepare for today but you know what it's my birthday i don't have to prepare anything i think it gets sent over.

Wait, can I watch this now? Whatever you sent me? Yeah, do a live Wade reaction. Okay, but don't show it to anybody. No sound, right? Don't play any sound, yeah. I accidentally tweeted it. I mean, who would do that?

Whoa. You really had stuff and things happen in that place where stuff and things might I know right but it's cool right it is cool whoa is that you that's me oh damn yeah can you believe that that occurred and no one can complain we're not showing anything anyway there's nothing to see you can't see it that was a live reaction uh first time viewing of that i what can i uh but tell will to bleep this out if it's too much information are you injured are you injured no no no no so it was a stunt and it's just like it's just a really, really cool thing that we can do considering how we're filming this thing. Right.

It's a stunt that was completely all in one take live and there's no wires or nothing. I'm getting hucked. Yeah. Because the whole thing moves like the whole, we have this motion control rig. Is this spoilers? Mark, Mark's going to be mad. you're spoiling everything mark okay here's a spoiler there's a stunt in the project okay right um but no other description so so we wanted to do as much as possible with like you know uh real motion because it's so hard to fake motion on

camera otherwise we did that on space whereas like you know something would hit the ship and we'd go go you know star trek style um like batman yeah and so for this because it's like it's a movie i wanted it to be elevated so we actually have a motion control thing that this thing is a fucking beast of a machine uh and it can move me at half a g of acceleration in almost any direction uh so when i when you see me doing like falling over like that that's because the whole thing is moving and so i literally am getting chucked across the room and then chucked across the room it's great i don't want to hear this this sounds like spoilers i don't want to have this spoiled the whole project spoiled yeah okay all right it it looks

wild i'm not an expert but i watch i watch corridor digital so i've seen their stunt men videos and it looks pretty cool compared to like wire gags or digital stuff i know right and so because everything else is moving at the same time so it's like the craziest thing about it is like there's there's like a stunt coordinator behind the the camera of course because i wouldn't just be doing that without supervision um and it's just like he's watching me and and apparently everyone on monitor was like watching me and just being like because this kind of stuff just doesn't happen uh it's just like and i'm i have pads on but i was very important about like i want to do my own stunts i want to like try to try to make it work not for masochistic reasons let's be very clear about that you just want to see if your body can

take it it's not masochism. Yeah, I just want to see. Wait a second. Behind that mask. Rom Cruz? Is that Rom Ruse's real voice? Is that Rom Ruse? 5'5", does his own stunts? But yeah, no.

So there's a stunt coordinator. And man, there's no one in the world that this guy, like, he makes you feel so good about yourself, this guy. He's just like, the way he looks at you, he's just like, he always smiles. I'll be winking, like, you're going to do great, bud, and wink. He's just like, I'll be right back there. You've got this. You've crushed this. And it's like, man, I do got this.

I will crush this. What if you find out he doesn't even work there? He just likes you a lot. He's just hanging out. He's just like a janitor who watered it. You got this, buddy. All right, can we get a re-roll on six? A re-roll on six? That's what someone would say doesn't work there, right?

A re-roll. Yeah, he's throwing around wrong jargon. That tracks. I don't mean to be spoiling what you're doing there. I didn't mean to spoil the magic of the recording process. Your wrong jargon was so wrong. I know you were doing it intentionally, but it still made me do like a... My nerve cells just snapped in my head. Reroll at six.

Mark, are you doing aisle-based shooting? Are you using the grocery store method? Aisle six is the dangerous one. Yeah, yeah. Everyone, please give me a second second i need to grow shop and get into character guys i'm not feeling this heavy seat i know you you want more emotions i want more emotions for me as a director as an as an actor at the same time i'm gonna go be an aisle 12 uh just examining some produce uh move on get the get the other get the other setup for this i can't believe

you're spoiling the sequel to in space markiplier in grocery store yeah no guys come on in gross with markiplier in what groceries will i choose in a different cart at the end depending on the choices you make about what you put in your cart. I know, right? You know, it's a different challenge. It's a completely different challenge than doing, you know, first person, you know, one take, connected shots like that. It's a different beast. It just requires a lot more careful planning,

especially when you're doing something like that. Like, you got to be careful. You got to take your time. You can't rush things like that. Well, I will say, so that was untouched, right? No correction or anything but that's that's what it looks like raw in camera yeah there's a basic lut on there but that's not final color at all it looks pretty sick it looks i know right tell us what you guys think about it they can't see anything don't even try anyway so that's what's going on in in my life but i walked away with that, like barely any, any aches, like, you know,

a little shoulder twinge here, but nothing that was like lasted more than a day. Excellent. Well, everybody out there look forward to that coming. Then Markiplier doing stuff. Thank you, Bob. Tell us the cool things you've been doing. I'm, uh, I'm also doing cool stuff. Yeah, no, I, uh, I have a baby. He doesn't sleep other than the baby, no, I have a baby.

He doesn't sleep other than the baby. Oh, I have a car, and I've been putting things on the car. I installed carbon fiber side mirror covers and a high-flow aftermarket air filter type system that does not violate the warranty, Subaru of America. And I just recently got a taillight that i'm gonna install i got the fourth so that's cool right that's pretty much as cool as what mark's doing is that i have a car well considering all i have done is play like the

diablo 4 beta and exist yeah i'd say you probably have me beat you've been playing the beta you have access already everyone that pre-ordered did this weekend oh man it's pay to access i just haven't had time to play anything like resident evil 4 remake came out and i haven't had time for that and it's like oh i'm just getting like frustrated because this is a once a decade opportunity mark you're only gonna have five more of these in our lifetime you're not joking because diablo 3 came out at the beginning of when i started youtube like yes it is a once in a decade thing i know maybe they'll pick up the pace maybe is it good though i i i've enjoyed it so far enjoyed it a lot so far okay that's good it's not dramatically different it doesn't feel too far away from diablo 3 so far but uh it's fun they've made it an mmo to some extent so it's

kind of like i don't know if you played path of exile at all but it kind of feels a bit like that where all the dungeons are instanced with your party but the overworld you can see other people and like run and find and do events and someone else can wander in and like help or whatever um and there's like a world boss where like you can have a party of up to four and i think up to three parties of four to twelve people can attack the world boss together that's pretty. Who knows what the end game will look like, but... I just want to play the druid. Oh, yeah?

I want to be a bear man. Oh, yeah. That's not playable yet. Next weekend, it would have been. It will have been. It will be have that thing, yes. We all know. We all know.

Show a clip of that! Yeah! No, no. There's nothing to see. I went back and played Diablo 2 remastered all the way through the end game and stuff and as i was playing it i was like oh the nostalgia and then like the things about diablo 2 that were so like difficult or annoying started to creep in and i was like as i got further and i was like i just kind of want to go play diablo 3 and i don't know when that

switched in my mind because a lot of times playing diablo 3 i was like oh man this will never be as good as 2 and then like at some point it crossed the threshold of like i actually think i like this one better now it actually did surpass and fun okay cool so saying you finally succumb to the brainwashing huh i did yeah by playing both games and comparing them in my mind i did you fool because the whole time there was a whispering in my ear i thought it was like some cool background music but it was like three's better three's better. I was like man I think maybe three's better and I sang along with it But that does bring me to today's topic since we've been talking for a while here

I just tried to itch my ear but my headphones on so I just itched my headphone. Did it work? Only people that were watching the video on Spotify would have seen what exclusive Scoops that people are missing out on in the audio version that's true and only they can see me do this whoa the nonsense that he just did i can't even describe it i would if i could i know it's madness yeah anyway uh for today's episode we're gonna get back to something we were working on a while ago um we're gonna work on a games tier list we've already done an episode on this and if you haven't listened to it go listen to it but we only got like let me see one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen eighteen games our list was

broken down by the standard of like the genre s tier a tier b tier c tier d tier f tier and haven't played right now in the standard we have gary's mod guitar hero and rock band has like a pairing s tier we have mass effect zelda doom and the souls series probably including elden ring yeah i imagine and like souls like games because like this one I haven't played Sekiro but I think that's a Souls like game right it's a FromSoft game right it's it's in there yeah okay I don't know I've never played it but it's very it plays very different than the other ones okay well we can do that one separately we can if we get to it yeah to to lump all of the Souls game together would be a disservice to the Souls fan I say we love them together I think it's because we have like a hundred games here and like we can't get to all of them individually

so we're just like let's just do our best as a tier we have the last of us which i'm assuming is a tier because we probably included last of us too it's by both games otherwise last of us should definitely be like an s tier standard i'd fight that finafs in a tier call of duty is an a tier it's kind of surprising though i guess it's been around for a long time halo's an a-tier which is also in my mind is like a standard defining game diablo's an a-tier which hurts me because it's been part of my life for so long but i guess it was fair at the time and we have the gta games in a-tier pokemon is alone in b-tier we put fnaf in a-tier we do for some reason i don't remember why the one

who is i mean both of you guys played it but mark is the king of that so i assume you lobbied for that yeah man what was wrong with me i wouldn't i don't like this i think it's stupid men aren't purple c tiers assassin's creed world of warcraft and pub g uh we have nothing in d tier and we have fortnight alone in f tier i guess we really hated fortnight when we did this i don't know why fortnight was all i mean fortnight kind of like took pub g and made it better but also there was a lot of um made it better well more popular i should say fortnight did overtaken popularity i i preferred pub g i should say popularity i preferred pub g to fortnite but toby was born fortnite we so far

we haven't done any games that none of us have played so haven't played is currently empty well we're real gamers so um i have a huge list of games to get to i'm sure we will cover this list of probably like 50 games or game series that i have i have no doubts we are capable if there's anything we do it's move quickly through topics yeah that is oh yes too quickly some would say there is one game that i'm surprised we didn't do last time because one it was the start of probably our careers online together and it was one where i met my wife so we're going to start with minecraft today we didn't talk about Minecraft? Not on the list. That is weird.

Of the things we talked about. It's on my list, but it's not on the list. You would think that might have come up between the three of us. Weird. Yeah, you would. That's crazy. Oh, sidetrack, side note. I just saw this.

This is kind of crazy. This is news as of a little bit ago from this recording. Epic has been ordered to pay $5 million dollars after luring customers into fortnite purchases which is a fascinating thing what an f-tier game the federal trade commission has finalized its order to fine epic games 245 million dollars over so-called quote dark patterns in quote fortnite which led players into making unwanted purchases in the game and they said they use dark patterns in the design of the game's menu and interface to make it easy for players to make unintended purchases of in-game items especially for children to make

purchases without parental consent and it was like this included button layouts deemed counterintuitive and inconsistent by the fdc laid out in ways that a player can easily make a wrong button press and initiate the payment who would do that i can't believe epic games invented reversing button layouts and misleading menu options to trick you into making purchases no no clearly it's intuitive ui design that is meant to make the gaming experience better i just want to say so you said they were fined by the court um 245 million 245 million dollars so they so they had to pay 245 million what an astronomically low and inadequate number considering that by the first estimate i could end i could google the game is worth somewhere north of 20 billion and their revenue annually is something kind of like five billion dollars a year well yeah they got to pay back

like one percent of what they stole for people you know so they make five thousand million dollars a year and they got fined as a punishment a quarter of one million dollars a quarter no a quarter a quarter of a billion a quarter of a billion 245 million oh you know what yeah 245 million okay okay okay okay wow what a stupid point i am making god i'm an idiot i mean it's still not a lot comparatively, but it's a lot of money. Yeah, no, that's a blow to any company, yeah. It's still, they're probably fine. It could be higher.

It's part of a larger half a billion settlement. I'm not sure to who, but this, I think, is the FTC directly giving a fine to Epic for them to pay, I imagine, to the FTC or, I don't know, paying back to the people. But I do like this because lately, and you've been seeing it for years, games, especially free-to-play games, have just been trying to figure out what the most efficient way to drain people's money is. That's what mobile games are these days, are just everything possible to make it so annoying to play without making a purchase that people kind of get lumped into it. And especially in the design of like menu, things like that to make it like, oh, you must play, you must do this, like making it

as attractive as possible. It's like there is a line. A game can be free to play and have in-game purchases. I don't have a fundamental problem with that. But when the entirety of the experience is being more and more centered around that and optimizing that, it just runs away into escalating things where it just becomes a huge problem that loses the whole point of playing games in the first place. So I don't know the details of this suit. I don't know the details of this charge. I don't know the details of this charge. I just see this and I'm like, okay,

that's at least a landmark case to be like, game developers stop, well game publishers really, stop being such assholes and just stop trying to squeeze money out of children. I do think that's interesting. Without knowing any of the precedent that this sets legally, I've always wondered how it was legal for games like you're talking about mark part of the way they're strategizing to juice money out of players is all the menus and stuff it will pop up and it'll be

like do you don't not want to never ever buy this battle pass and you look at it and you're like do i hit no or yes or cancel to avoid paying money and once they have your credit card info some games make it so it's like you click one thing a pop-up comes up and if you click the wrong option they're like oh you made the purchase it's like how is that legal so is it a phone setting or game setting because like when i make purchases on my phone or whatever i always have to like confirm it with either like face id a password fingerprint like that combination yeah yeah but if you have fortnite bucks yeah if you have the in-game currency already you paid money for that already gotcha so yeah if you have in-game currency you can just yeah okay so that yeah it's possible to not have face id or other biometric confirmation on payment methods on phones.

It's possible to have in-game currency. It's possible for kids to, you know, fake things. And I wonder how many millions of dollars in credit card debt is sitting out on the credit market that is purely from kids got on their parents' phone, figured out how to make purchases, and bought 10,000 V-Bucks over the course of nine months before their parent was like, what the hell are all these charges from Epic Games on my credit card? Why did I spend $3,000 last month on Epic Games? What is that?

And also, for those at home who want to get a visualization of it, we're not putting up a picture, don't worry, but just think of when you're on a website that's like, do you mind if we use cookies and you go to customize preferences and it's always tiny compared to like no don't change anything you know the big no is like in green is like no don't change anything let us use cookies um and if you click if you even if you click click customize the buttons at the

bottom are like yes keep the cookies the way that we want them and then tiny and red is like no confirm my choices that i don't want you to track me and that's what this kind of like dark ui design is about it's about making these misleading things it is and this is what happens when things don't have specific this is why legal language is so goddamn specific is because it needs to be like, you can't trick your customers by doing this or this or this or this or this or this because they're going to come up with ways of like, okay, it didn't say this. So we can do this and this and this. And then it has to be like, you know, you can't do this and this and this. I was like, yeah, this is actually probably a good, my, my, uh, a thing that infuriates me about that is in California,

you can get websites where it's like, do you accept all of our cookies? Or do you want to go to this California state website where you can fill out a form and submit it? And I can't, I'm not, I can't even do that. Like, I'm not filling out a form and then waiting to get a response before I use your website.

I can't believe a lot of that is legal. And apparently it's not. If this sets some sort of precedent where the FTC can throw out fines for crap like that, app developers are going to be shaking in their boots because they all do the same shit. I will have to rein us back in, though. We're like halfway through here. All right, F tier.

Bad UI design, F tier. F tier. F tier game. Now back to Minecraft. Minecraft. Right. Okay. Yeah, Minecraft.

Yeah, remember that thing we were talking about like 12 minutes ago? Minecraft. Burning through topics. We'll get through all of them. Wait, don't worry. It's all right. We got UI design. That was definitely on my list of games.

Bad UI design. I'm going to put it in F tier. I don't know. It feels weird because I haven't actually played minecraft in possibly multiple years except for a couple like one-off exceptions where it was with family or something it's been a long time i feel like it's pretty high i feel like it's potentially s tier or whatever yeah i i would also agree s tier just because even if you don't like it the game that's not necessarily what this listed is about in my mind it's about like that game has so many possibilities it is clearly one of the

greatest just playground sandboxes for people to just explore and adventure in it clearly has lasting potential because it's still somehow one of the most popular games in the world even like 12 years out till however many years after its's released is it the standard of sandbox game fuck the standards get that standard shit out of here who cares i literally said before we started we should redo the standard you're like no i like it like this i thought you said that we were doing that and then that's what we were doing i didn't even know wade what i said was no i don't want to keep doing it, so leave it as it is on the side, is what I said. Yeah, no, I feel like Mark and I were both on the side of, that was a bad decision.

We shouldn't talk about standard setting games. Yeah, how could we be more clear? I don't not never want to talk about that, Wade. Oh, God, I wish I had a clip of now it's terrible leave it it's funny and great okay all right i guess i will click here if you don't want to talk about standard setting games so now s tiers that we no longer have the standard gary's mind guitar and rock band are just off the list now they're gone they're disappeared they're off to the side of their own world we can have a we could have a magical higher tier that's just wade tier the standard setters get to get to live in their own tier off

where the taco bell uh side is wherever that is no that's a different tier all right minecraft s tier i feel like i think minecraft s tier even if i don't play it anymore i think it it owes to be up there it's just fascinating what's possible it's still one of the top games you can go into minecraft and just play vanilla minecraft you can go and have like almost an mmo world building experience with other people you can go and play pokemon they have like the pixelmon games they have uh all the different like tech craft games like that we toyed with a little bit i'm sure that those are insane didn't someone make a working computer yeah yeah no you couldn't make working processors using stuff that's basically natively in minecraft you could make full computers of stuff just you can do so much

with it it's insane yeah it's true all right so minecraft we're tossing a nest here um let's do league of legends which is a game i don't have a lot of experience with but i know is a big game and has been for a long time what are those kind of games called they have like a moba multiplayer online battle arena i have played three matches of league of legends and i played him with zombie mold and he told me after the third game he's like you're pretty bad at this and i was like yeah and i didn't play again that sounds like the ubiquitous everywhere experience with uh mobas especially league of legends i did play some of the one that was on um the battle.net version the blizzard version love that game still play that game here's the storm i

did play that one some that was fun yeah but anyway league of legends big time game a lot of people love it played for a long time people hate it and then they go back to it and they get into it again. I hear so many people that are like, yeah, I got away from League. It was just getting to be too much. And then like a month later, they're like, yeah, sorry, I was just playing League. And it's like, what? I thought you were done. Oh, I was, but I'm back.

No, here's the thing. League as a game, because I played the original, which was a Warcraft 3 mod. Was it? Dota. I played the original dota mod in warcraft 3 and it was very fun and league of legends is no different the game is fun but the fact is you have to play with other people you can play against bots but it's not the same the people are terrible they're terrible people they're just and they're not terrible people outside of the game the game makes you a terrible person they might be it's they might be too it it's really

just like toxicity is part of the game because people use it as a strategy they call it like getting in the other player's head is like getting under their skin and it's like that is not necessarily a bad thing i like mind games i like but it's like that is not necessarily a bad thing i like mind games i like but it's the same reason i don't play among us or anything like that because i don't really enjoy that kind of aspect of multiplayer i can't say the game is bad but i can't put it in like s or a tier because i don't have enough experience in the game and all the experience that i have is just like legal legends as a game existed before or after dota and therefore it's always in my mind been a toxic wasteland so can you put it high i don't

even know i i feel conflicted uh similarly because i do think mobas as a game type i play a lot of heroes of the storm which is kind of like a baby moba it's much simpler in a lot of ways than league is and it's fun it's fun i play we play with maddie's parents actually we play it as a family uh because you can play against bots and like you can just sort of be casual and run around and and dunk on you know bots or get dunked on by bots which is annoying but uh a new one just came out too right pokemon unite is that a moba i thought it was i think it is i don't know nothing about that but the game i think the games are fun but i also think league of legends only has one map right the thing about

league is the heroes champions or whatever they're called and like they have they seem to have wild balancing issues i don't follow it very closely but you know whenever i look in on league or hear about it it's always like oh this new champion is basically invincible and can kill everyone with one move and then it's like oh they nerfed him now this champion's unplayable because they don't don't do anything they just die they might as well just stand there and let everyone kill them don't you also ban players before you go into matches sometimes like there's certain characters are so powerful they're just like uh pick ban is like an esports thing but i don't i don't know if pick ban is in like oh okay or whatever i thought that was just a regular also pokemon unite is a

multiplayer online battle arena video game which i'm assuming is what moba stands for weird i didn't know that so like i feel like the game is not super groundbreaking but it is a very fun genre and league is you know arguably at the top of the tier of mobas but the community i feel like tyler one is a representation as a as an individual of the things about the community that are both ridiculously cool and the reason i would not be interested in it because he's done some crazy stuff he reached i don't know what the top rank is like grandmaster or something he reached the top rank in every role all in one season it was fascinating i don't follow him super closely but that's like not tyler different tyler one tyler one streamer tyler one okay i okay i was like, Tyler's a grandmaster in League of Legends?

Who looks like a... You know, Tyler. Like a roided out little gnome man who screams and has the nastiest little Dorito keyboard ever. All right. We don't need to bring Hyde into this. This is fine. Just because you're six foot four giants look down on all of us. All right.

Hold on here. But yeah, like Tylerler one he's done some fascinating stuff and he's like a huge figure in the scene but also i would not want to play a game with him ever i would not he did his i don't know if it's a string persona or what but what he presents when he plays league and how he shouts at his teammates and how toxic he is and how how much of an absolute asshole he is i don't want that that's not what i want to do at all he seems awful he's like a fascinating performer and you know streamer but i don't know do you get did you include the community and do you include the esports when

we're tearing games his league of legends esports is some of the most popular in the entire world they have huge events shout out tyler one please don't sue us i mean he probably talks shit and i don't whatever be mean tyler that's that's what you do what you do best yeah you don't know me but i know you because i watched you once all right so i have no idea where to put it i just feel like the esports is like top tier the game itself is like mark said fascinating good game very interesting the community and the the culture of it horrific zero interest whatsoever i would say f tier culture community okay if you take out community where would you where would you put the game by itself without that if you

if you think about the esports if you think about the popularity if you think about the mobas in terms of how fun and engaging and complex they are with strategy and the different heroes and gear and stuff so you want to knock it to b just knock it down to b say like somewhere in the middle because of how toxic it can be you know what's a big indication of the community is like how low we rank it is how vitriolic people will attack us for ranking it lower and i think that's just more justification to put it even lower and lower just to get it to get in their head to get the psychological game in them we have no DS we can go all the way down to D how do you like B no anger how do you like see hmm yeah how do you like see yeah what is C you see you see malden you malden you raging what about D what about D you huh you probably belong

D let's play League of Legends and D just to make people mad No, no, we'll put it C and we'll call it mid league is mid now C tier in his mid Done stamped boom approved You heard it here first as if the subreddit wasn't mad enough of this already now You're really gonna hate us and ever everyone remember who's mad at this uh wade was the final say he actually is responsible for that decision i choose to pass on responsibility to will because it's my birthday so blame will will could have edited us to he's we've said s a b c d f you can change it you can change what letter we say and he chose to leave it in c he chose to leave it in s tier who's out will is a big league fan god if he is he's he's mauled and we're in his head we're this episode just never airs why are you guys having an episode on wade's

birthday we recorded i don't know what happened to it i don't know what's going on it's very strange um let's do we've not done mario one of the original really popular nintendo games let's just do the mario we have the franchise we have to do it like as a no there's so many games i know but i've got 50 to 80 we've done 2 and 40 minutes mark you're gonna hit all of them pick one pick one you guys pick you guys pick the most iconic one you can think of the most iconic which you got super mario sunshine 64 all the early super nintendo mario world like there's so many you're gonna pick a mario game to represent the mario no you can't you can't do it you have to that is a travesty and unfair because both super mario sunshine and mario 64 which i

don't even think those really belong together, but those are close together. And the Mario Galaxy series exists. And the Mario Galaxy stuff stands on its own for several reasons. Super Mario Strikers is one of my favorite soccer games of all time. Oh yeah, what about the Mario sports games? Dude, Mario Tennis?

The N64 Mario Tennis? Don't worry, i put mario party separate oh fuck mario party get out of here who are you tyler i should probably mario cart on here too huh mario car my god which one and each one is different like generations or different mario carts i'm thinking of like the platformer mario whatever ones fall under that which one 3d i don't, but you guys gotta put it on some thing, so. Mario gets its own tier. Mario

is Mario tier. Mario would have you would have to do a separate tier list for just Mario games. Oh, pick one. You pick one! No, if we have to pick, if Mario's gonna get all lumped and covered by one, we have no choice. It's S tier. It is. Yeah. There's no games

that are bad enough to lower it they're all like pretty good there are plenty of mario games that are bad enough that they would not be s tier for their own reasons as a franchise if you're gonna force us to boil it down and pick one anything that we picked as representative of mario is s tier and there's a wide range of stuff that is mario games that are all s tier because and i don't even like platformers i hate platforms i hate 3d platformers i'm bad at them i don't like 2d platformers i'm bad at them i don't like mario games in general because i personally struggle and they make me very frustrated because i'm just bad at them s tier they are yes here mario is s tier there's too many examples

to pull from that are s tier but also it's i i protest against this yeah we could have an entire tier list of just mario stuff and it would be very interesting there are some f tier mario games let's be perfectly honest here i'll put an asterisk by your guys names aster Asterisk. Protested. Mario. There you guys go. You both got your asterisk for protesting this. Excellent. Can you... Can mine specifically be for having issue with the way that you framed the question and putting it all on you

specifically as an individual? Wade's way of framing blah blah blah. Oh, close enough, I guess. Does that feel good? No. Somehow that feels worse um let's do one of the first horror games i ever watched and played amnesia the dark descent never played it you have to skip that skip as far here's a crazy thing very scary i wouldn't call it s tier for sure. As a game, you know, the puzzle elements are there.

So I wouldn't really call it on that. But it was so different when it came out. It was so different. I would probably put that in A tier just because as a horror experience, it kind of like really, really, really stuck out in people's minds. It is like this game. If you want to play a game to be scary, this is the one. It had a good story. No. Yes. No. You can be Bob.

What do you think? I 100% unironic. Never played it in my entire life. Everything I know about it is from watching like mark clips i never watched your full playthrough i know a little bit about the game for how novel it was in the horror genre and i feel like maybe i was unconnected but was that the kickoff of like a big renaissance for horror video games because it feels like amnesia came out and it was a big deal for you so like i heard a lot about it and then following that a big swath of horror games that were all sort of experimenting with

what what are horror games what are the mechanics what are the what are the things you know the fundamentals of horror in gaming all came out all in this all in a row following that it seemed like it kicked off something is that fair to say does that feel like that it's weird though because the ones that followed weren't really that similar for a while i mean there was outlast that came out a little while later that was somewhat in the same genre but i think the next big horror game series to come after amnesia was the slender games right yeah but it still kicked off i think a renaissance because at this point like gaming engines were getting getting good enough to have uh the kind of lighting environments to really embrace more of the the real gripping horror of things not that there weren't scary games before of course there were

and they were very good even with limited graphics um but i think like as as things got along yeah but even so as a game as like a game game i can't say it's like a game i would play again which s is like you would play it over and over again. Endless replayability because you want to come back to it. They're the custom stories that came out. So there were a few variants. Yeah, but they weren't as good as the main game. They were okay.

I feel like all of this said, it's fair to make it a B. Somewhere between A and B makes sense. B is good. B is good. B is a good, good game. Yeah. But I like going through my head of like the way the physics of opening doors and stuff and running around and jumping it was like it was very limited very scary good experience

but if if i had to like consider which one of frictional games better i'd put soma at a just because that story and the the whole experience of it was so much more cohesive than amnesia while still being scary not as scary what's so my A because I'm assuming Bob won't fight that because he probably didn't watch or play that one. Yeah. Okay, we'll put Soma at A, amnesia at B and see what people say about that. Too scary.

I don't like it. Too scary. Because I really thought that when Soma came out, it got a negative reaction, which I thought was weird. Why do you keep thinking that? You said that before and we were like, no.

I swear. People love that game. Someone let me know if on launch, people were disappointed in Soma because it wasn't a sequel to Amnesia. Subreddit, do you not like something? Who else am I supposed to ask? All of you find a way to let me know. I've done this before. Yeah, Soma, I go on Steam and it's overwhelmingly positive because it was.

I'm saying on launch, I thought people were kind of like, we wanted Amnesia sequel, not like this. Oh, well, that's just people being curmudgeons. People hate everything. I thought that that was the reaction at launch. And then they played it. They were like, oh, that's good. I thought it was a great game.

I played through it. I thought it was a great game. A machine for pigs came out and got a bad response. Is that what you're thinking? No, no. I was thinking of Soma. Oh, well, you're wrong. You think wrong. Okay. think wrong okay yeah you think i'll take it if it's true uh skyrim or the elder scroll series however you want to look at it no pick one i'm doing that that's not fair skyrim is like its

own saga that game's been released 50 different times and they made a version where all the all the dragons make owen wilson sounds i'm pretty sure that was an official bethesda version wow wow they've also got one where you can have like thomas the train flying around i think yeah they've made any any mod that you could think of it exists yeah it's probably one where it's just like mark's face flying around at you probably it's a bunch of e memes yep Yep, that's what you want. Where would you guys put Skyrim? We were doing series before.

That's why we grouped this together. We did the Mass Effect series. We did The Last of Us. We've done series. I hate that idea now. Well, Mass Effect series is a cohesive series. Those are literally the same game with minor tweaks going back and forth. Skyrim is fundamentally different from Oblivion,

which is fundamentally different from morrowind which is fun fundamentally different than was a dagger fall i actually don't know yeah i don't know beyond morrowind because i played morrowind played oblivion well we'll do skyrim but like we probably won't get the other games so yeah skyrim when it came out it was a buggy nightmare of a mess on console specifically playstation it was a fantastic game but i remember playing it on playstation because i was not a i was not a pc gamer i don't think when it came out or i didn't do a whole lot of pc gaming outside of maybe when did it come out oh nine yeah carm's a great game but even when i first played it when it came out i really got into it and i was like this is great but even when I first played it, when it came out, I really got into it, and I was like, this is great.

But even I could tell then it was so clunky. It was 2012? What? Is that true? December 4th of 2012? 2011. November 1st, 2011. Why does it say initial release date on the side? Oh, it's Dragonborn. Oh, okay. Still, that's later than I would have guessed.

2011. So that was before I was a PC gamer gamer which is why i played on console the thing that i've always known about the elder school games is that they always the the music and the environment and like the trailers always like make it seem so much bigger than the actual game is uh and then when you get in the game you look at it like this is cool a little rough around the edges guys especially when you played oblivion skyrim was way better than oblivion when it first came out i'd put it at a i think it's an a game definitely that's very very good but it wasn't perfect well i do feel like and this is not my take i've seen lots of people talk about this skyrim represents uh still the like the before times for bethesda where yeah it's absolutely broken in a lot of ways and there are still like there are to this day bugs in the game that can break your whole save and like ruin your game and you just have to delete it and start over or whatever had that happened 43 hours in it in

general it has that like old school bethesda charm where most of the bugs and stuff are like funny and charming and they add to the vibe of it even if they are completely just bugs broken stuff things that don't work right but like the new you know like the fallout 76 lost the cute charming nature of all the bugs 16 times the detail it just works uh but yeah no it i don't know i feel like skyrim has that i never really got that i always just got frustrated because those the skyrim the elder scrolls games are clunky as shit and feel really awkward and i hate that but like people still like that right that's why skyrim was so popular i feel like it's it's not an objectively good game but it has a quality about it even with all the bugs that what'd you say mark b i said a i said a just because it's not s to me but i know it's s to a lot of people

but yeah i feel like it belongs in a because it's i mean there's a reason it's been re-released remastered 30 different ways it's on every console it's i'm surprised it's not like a mobile version of it maybe there is i don't even know there's all the memes of the skyrim intro playing on a ti-83 graphing calculator and all this stuff like it's iconic for a reason i feel like it deserves a even if it's a really broken kind of shitty mess of bugs and things i feel like it deserves at least a for how great and fun it is how replayable it is i've replayed it a lot of times i've really enjoyed it and i feel like you can get a different experience playing it multiple times like a truly different experience you can do

completely like unless you're 100%ing it every time but like you can go through a different path you can do different side quests explore different areas and get like 80 to 100 hours in and really feel like you've experienced different stuff than the last time you played which is kind of cool however i do think it deserves a bit of a knock extending the fact that game companies are like we can release broken games to people great because now when your diablo 4 beta's come out when your anthems your atlases and so on and so forth they come out for public to try and it's like this is an unplayable fucking scrap heap of a mess they're like oh it's fine we'll fix it later and then the games either disappear don't really get fixed or it's so bad you just never come back to it i mean anthem had promise and on

release it was so horrible that the game is completely gone now because it was just so broken if it had just worked slightly that one might have survived but skyrim especially like i said on playstation i think i think it was worse on playstation than everywhere else was just so buggy and broken it truly like diluted the experience to the point where it's like i remember getting like i said about 40 50 hours in which for me back then was a lot of time to put in one single game and having like my save file there was like a city you went to i forget what it was called you had to like investigate a murder or something and that quest line broke my entire save and i had to restart it was just like i don't have time to put 50 60 hours into a single game again i just

whatever i shelved it for a while and came back years later but i think a is fair then the mods the mods there are some great mods. Yeah, but mods don't count. Yeah, whatever. Mod tier list would be fun, but... Yeah, it would be. This is one I've not really played, but I know that they're popular and they've been around a while.

The card games like Magic the Gathering, your Hearthstone. We can do whichever one you all feel like from that genre is representative. I feel like Hearthstone is probably a good pick for a a very popular one sure yeah i have never got it i've played a bit of hearthstone uh because it's very popular i've never got the appeal of playing like digital card games like that i played magic the gathering as a kid we collected cards we built decks we played against each other so i get that and hearthstone is basically just kind of a digital version of that where you can play against whoever you want and and have online stuff and it doesn't strike me as a particularly groundbreaking thing like it's blizzard people

love blizzard lore and there's a bunch of lore and things in the different cards and characters and it's a clearly an extremely popular game but like i don't know it strikes me as mid maybe that's just me not getting it no i was saying the same thing c like c because i played it before it's kind of fun but i never got into it and it was still just like and i gotta buy packs to get more cards and i don't really like this and i would never really play the multiplayer aspect of it so i was always just playing the bots or the computer it's like it's it's c it's fine it's kind of fun but it's not that i guess i get that it's a card it's like magic and and other card collecting games yugioh where but it it loses the complete thing of actually owning the cards because you own you own nothing you own a digital license to nothing

if blizzard shut the game down all that money you spend on packs would earn you nothing so like that's a fun part i like magic because we played it sometimes and you could go to tournaments but i had all these cards you sort the cards you build the decks you theorycraft stuff that's like a lot of the fun part i feel like it's like it's like one of those games where you don't own anything you don't collect anything you just do the playing part which is fun but i feel like that takes away the big part of what i liked about collecting card games like that in you know where you own the cards and you actually collect them so you feel in c i i probably get some anger from hearthstone fans but for me it's the uh it's not bad i played against bots a couple of times and i was like

all right i'm kind of done like that was enough for me and it's interesting to watch the esports stuff i do find interesting because you're watching the commentators are like oh well he has he has three of these in the deck and he's looking to he if he draws on the blood it's like yeah the theory crafting of these card games very cool very intriguing but it's in good company we have assassin's creed world of warcraft pub g league of legends and hearthstone at C tier. So it's in good company. We have a high curve. C's pretty good.

Yeah, C's okay. It's just maybe games that we personally don't like but are still all right. Take that, Hearthstone. This isn't like what we think the world thinks. This is our tier list. Well, our tier list is probably the most correct, but I guess you're right. Well, I agree. It is the most correct, and everyone else's is wrong. I'm the most correct but i guess you're right well i agree it is the most correct and everyone else's is wrong the most correct yeah um let's do until dawn which started off the anthology games version of like quick time horror i think i think it's i think it was a one

that changed things a little bit and started off its own little version of horror games see see see no explanation i never played it it's just made by the same people who who make the um the dark pictures anthology dark pictures anthology yeah well i i think it's the same developers but it's not it's that kind of's that kind of game, right? Yeah. Dark Pictures are like their own little anthology. Until Dawn stands on its own. It's probably the best example of those types of games. Yeah, I see. I don't even want to talk about it.

I haven't specifically played Until Dawn, but like... Okay. Yeah. I loved it, but, you know, this is your guys' thing. I won't fight you on it one time or two. I love that both of us are like, I don't want to talk about it. See, it's just...

We could get into it. We have Pokemon in a B tier tier which blows my mind so i i can't yeah that makes sense that's 100 uh very fair wade endorses very fair why mars that's so shocking coming from you because you'd fuck like a third of them or something wouldn't you hey that's unrelated to playing the games if there was a pokemon sex dating game mark would be all over that game devs you heard it here first yeah you didn't you didn't volunteer that game so you know we gotta get we i just i just call them like i'm seeing um okay we're coming down to the end here let's do subnautica i feel like that follows a lot of survival exploration games and doesn't necessarily define a lot. At the same time, it does feel like it's different, and I can't explain why.

Can you explain why, Mark? Do you feel that? Oh, yeah, definitely. It was just the environment. Being in an ocean and swimming in an ocean, it really embraced it, and it really owned it, and it made that experience very cohesive. I wouldn't put it as the greatest game of all time. I'd'd put it b i'd say it's a very good b game yeah i i will say i i as a person who loses direction in those games and has trouble a lot i played a lot of the first subnautica game it kept my attention and kept me focused on the idea of like gotta do the next thing want to see you know i saw the big submarine i saw that that exists gotta see what the deal is with that like it's good b i think

it's pretty fair it's a good game yeah uh the sims and pick whichever one i mean the sims one two three four whatever oh i mean well they are again i feel like let's go with the most recent one sims 4 and all the expansions and stuff because there's so much content for that game i've not played a sims game since like the first one i don't think not much anyway so yeah it doesn't appeal to me in terms of playing it it seems really tedious but also i've always enjoyed any content that gets so popular that it comes up i always am like well i gotta watch like this looks hilarious and it's it's consistently good funny stuff because the people who like the sims are willing to put

a lot of effort into it there's an exception though because i think mark made me in a video game and i was like creepy and crazy and pissed myself a lot and i think i burnt the house yeah yeah you killed yourself in a house fire while you were trying to cook like lunch or something if i remember yeah uh yeah uh b i think good b a good b i think yeah i think it's a game i would never really play myself but it definitely deserves b yeah i was gonna go lower but what bob was saying i kind of agree with like yeah it it does it does i always watch videos that are sims related i always do sim. Sims content is almost always good. Respect. This one's interesting to me.

I don't know if you guys played much of it. I'm trying to do some rapid fire here at the end. The Twisted Metal series. Twisted Metal 2. I think Twisted Metal Black are probably the two that stand out most in people's minds. I know nothing about it. I know nothing about it. You drive around in cars and you shoot other people.

It's AI, but you're driving a car and you're fighting other cars to win a tournament basically i can't speak on it that's where i got my username from minions the ice cream truck no that's sweet tooth yeah well which one's minion what's he look like minion and twist the metal 2 it was like a boss on like a lava level he like drove around in a tank he was like a demon from hell who drove around like this tank and you can use a cheat code to play as him look at the only i will say the only twisted metal game i ever played is my cousins in michigan had twisted metal on the ps2 i don't even know which one it was i think it's probably twisted metal 2 2 was ps1 launch title okay so it was whatever was the ps2 twisted metal game then had to be black probably because my black maybe i don't remember a lot about it it was kind

of fun but it was fun in the context of stuck at a family party where this is a video game i have access to as opposed to talking about myself to family members and updating everyone on what's happening in middle school uh so i feel like that's not an accurate representation i want to say c but i don't want to offend you too deeply. I don't care. D. I could even say D, but I know it means something to you, Wade. It's somewhat of a thing you like.

At the time, it was a lot of fun, and it means something to me. As a game on its own, I mean, they've not had a new game come out for it since 2001, June of 2001. Looks like it. That's what the wiki said. Oh, wait, no. No, yeah, 2000. 2012! For the PS3, they re-released, they did a re-title release of Twisted Metal. Okay, I didn't even know that, but that's just a re-release, not a new game, I guess.

But it was fairly well received. As a game series, it was fun at the time, but I'm not sure if a lot of people even think about it or remember it. I'm fine tossing it and see the the idea for twisted metal comes from that era of video games where i get the sense that a bunch of guys a bunch of like marketing guys were kind of sitting around and all the game developers were like oh i'd really like to make i have this idea you know and the and the marketing guys were like ah nah, kids like cars and, like, guns. And bang! Make some kind of thing where you drive around and you shoot each other, and that's it.

And the game guys were like, well, do you want, like, a story? Characters? Or anything. The guy's like, nah, just cars and guns. We'll sell it. We'll sell it. There's a lot of games that kind of fall into that, it seems like. bat in that era the n64 era really battle tanks and you know you had um uh battle this was pre-n64 this was ps1 uh when twist the metal started coming out but yeah i think it was

part of that genre of ah we can put fire and cars and explosions on the cover but i mean it was fun to play it was kind of fun um okay let's move on i want to do like three more than we'll call it uh left for dead pretty fun i played a lot it was it was good i don't like it as much as everyone else seems to like it back for blood has recently come out did you like back for blood because it's kind of like in the same vein with the newer i like the back for blood feels less stiff i feel like left for dead even when it came out felt like an old game to me. The movement mechanics and everything always felt like really junky.

Very Source Engine. Yeah, so it fell old from the moment it came out. I love Back 4 Blood. I never got into Left 4 Dead, and I don't know why. I like Back 4 Blood because it feels more modern and it has mechanics, but it still has the same thing where after the first 40 minutes of a run and you're still going in back for blood it's it reaches a point where i'm like oh we did it i got more cards all right let's

keep going and like it's not that it's not fun but it's it's just like wears on me or something yeah as opposed to like team fortress which does play similarly but the round's over when it's over and you're like whew that was a good match that it has like well it's different because it's competitive but i played left 4 dead competitive actually when it first came out like some people would be zombies oh like the infected multiplayer right yeah infected multiplayer and i was like that's very fun like that is that is that is fun and it was interesting and it was like you go as far so it had a some fun things to it but i'm not in love with the game i b or c is

fine with me i would say c or d for me but i think i just don't like it as much as everyone else season c's right in the middle um i wanted to do golden eye specifically uh the n64 james bond game which is an iconic one people think of such an infatuation with that game that i've never understood i played it when it first came out and it was pretty good, but it was even I as, cause I played computer shooters since then, like in going to the N64 to try to play a shooter was the most infuriating thing possible because I'd played doom at this point and I knew the responsiveness that it could have. And I was just playing this, turning it like two frames a second. And I was just like, Oh my God, this god this is awful um so i had a terrible experience

with it but other people disagree i personally felt like win back 64 was a much more fun version of a shooter for the n64 and i love that game i played it with my dad it's very sentimental i love golden eye because it was my first experience in multiplayer shooters and i'm currently like a big valorant counter-strike fan so that was an entree to that but it never it was never quite what i wanted it to be in terms of the multiplayer i will say it earns a lot of points in my mind because the speed running community around gold and i and the speed running um like tech and and stuff that's developed for the game it has developed and is still being worked on and improved to this day is fascinating not a game i want to play but it earns a lot of points for me

because the speed running stuff is very cool all the all the different little tech things there's literally levels where the speed run involves looking at the wall strafing and then at some point you look at a certain point in the sky and you throw six grenades off into the distance and they explode and that's so that later uh certain characters in the right position like there's all this really crazy like yeah i love that so i would say like cb for me because i like the game and everything around it but i don't want to play it i wouldn't want to go yeah yeah i'd like c but a big head mode might bop it over to B for me. I also got to say, like, the couch co-op experience of having, like, four friends. Like, I wasn't big on playing it myself because I've never been big with competitive stuff with friends.

But there was something about getting together with people. And even if I wasn't playing, just watching people have fun, having, like, the four corners of the screen. Like, you could watch each of them playing together. And, like, the whole stop screen cheating and stuff, like, comments like comments like that you don't think about now because we all play in our own systems but like people that were worried about that like dude i swear i'm not screen cheating we pinky promise like stuff like i don't know if you guys have conversations like that where it's like promised you pinky promise people would try to sneak up and they'd be like don't screen like i did so many times i remember hearing that phrase and i didn't even think about it till

i started talking about golden that's a fun game. I'll toss it in B. Trying to temper your actions because you are screen cheating, but trying to make it look like you're not because you're all literally looking at the same TV and you're like, oh, I know he's in the bathroom. What if I go over here and I don't look at him, but I

know it's like that was really fun as a kid. Yeah. Alright, the last one we're going to do, we're going to, we're going to have to collectively pick one of these. There's been a lot of them. Uh, final fantasy.

I'm excluding 14 cause 14 is MMO. And I think we could just spend a lot of time on that alone. Final fantasy to me, the one that stands out growing up is final fantasy 10, but I know literally everyone has a favorite and that range anywhere from, you know, the original to like 16. Do you want to be here for 30 minutes talking about Final Fantasy?

Do you want that to be the last one? I think we have to cover it. Why? It's too big of a series. Fine. We pick Final Fantasy X because Wade suggests it. C. Yeah, C.

That's it? No discussion? The only ones I will say, the only ones I've actually played are 1 7 14 and final fantasy tactics on the game boy advanced and above all of those i have the most time and believe it or not in final fantasy tactics advanced on the game boy i love that game i thought it was fantastic uh i've played seven to completion eight to halfway through nine barely ten i finished it and then i stopped playing after that now let's let's okay that that was a terrible ending advanced wars they're releasing a new one what the fuck is that i don't know what that is s

tier s tier game period i will take no exceptions advanced wars was an amazing game the four-way link cable the four-way link cable you can play multiplayer with your friends on the bus yes seeing the animations of your little little tanks and shit shooting missiles at each other the tactics in there oh s tier game okay s tier advance wars wade is an rts game it's a game boy it was originally released on game boy advance i believe and there has been a sequel which was also a game boy advanced title or maybe a ds title i don't remember and they're releasing a new advanced wars on switch this year soon yeah is that a better rts like command and conquer games because i think of command and conquer it's like unrelated to 3d graphics rts games it is a grid based turn based rts game and it is s tier good pick mark thank you thank you

very much next up on my pick list megaman x never played it all right i was gonna say a tier it's pretty good i wouldn't say a lot of people people get all faffy about Mega Man. It's a very good game. It's not S tier, though. My only experience with Mega Man is I find it really clunky. Yeah. Well, Mega Man X was a lot better than Mega Man. Mega Man was super clunky.

Mega Man X was transformative in the movement, and it did feel a lot smoother. But I still wouldn't put it at S. Frost Punk is a game that is so near and dear to my heart i i will i know i know that it's so divisive i'd forgotten it existed and i think i played a little watch people play it soul it's s tier but i know people would disagree with that like i love every part of that game the music the gameplay, the difficulty, the drama. I feel like it was kind of a B. That strikes me as a B. Don't wound me.

No. I'm sorry. No. It's so good. I'll give it an A for you, Mark, because you're fighting vehemently for S, but I feel like it's a B. Come on. B is pretty good man all right but okay i tossed it in low a for you so it's we've compromised all right thank you

thank you it's just like i know it's divisive but it's just like for some reason at first when i played it too i was like this fucking sucks and then i came back to i was like i need to beat every map perfectly i just fell in love with it. I just love that one. Anyway, that's okay. We covered zero sports games. Can we just kind of lump Madden, FIFA? They're different, but... F. F.

No. I. Whoa. A. B. F. D. D.

Are we covering all sports games, or do you mean Madden? If there's one that jumps out at you, I feel like, i liked ncaa football the much better than madden all the ncaa games that haven't come out since 2014 madden i've never i've always wanted to enjoy mad i never really have i've not played fifa i've not played like the nhl games but just like i don't know i have to kind of like i said we're at the end here so no we're not we're not we should just say all sports games rd if If you like them for any reason, you like the sport, you like the mechanics, I think they're fun. I don't watch UFC.

UFC 4 is an impressively fun game. It's complex. The grappling is kind of hard. Some of the WWE and wrestling games are fun in their own way because of modding and customizing. There are a lot of sports games I've enjoyed. I still to this day play sports games. I think they belong in D because they don't innovate they're kind of garbagey it's the same

crap year after year it's ea just trying to sell you ultimate team packs and bullshit yeah and i hate it but i i really enjoy some of those games they totally they're totally fun i play them a lot okay cool oh there's so many iconic games still on the list is it what else do you guys want to name before we wrap up? Metal Slug. I've played it. Metal Slug. Okay, Metal Slug. That's an old arcade game.

I would put it high, but it eats your coins like nobody's business, but it is one of the best pixel art games I've ever played. Like, I just wanted to play it more just to see all the beautiful art there. I would put it at B for, you know, it's as a game without the coins, but as an arcade game itself to eat all your coins, I put it at B just it's as a game without the coins but as an arcade game itself to eat all your coins i put it at b just because it just you die too easily it chew it's designed to chew up your money i never played it growing up but i played it on like an emulator where zombie mold you were gonna be like a youtube series on it so that like hits me in the feels thinking

about it so i'll give it as high a rating as you want how high i think b is a fair fair rating for that game the only thing i do know is that i i think it's very pretty so i i'm fine with that i know i know that the art is fantastic for how old i mean how old is the game metal slug what year did that even come out i mean that's an old arcade game uh 90s 90s yeah mid 90s yeah that was the thing about like those types of games for the snes and and like they played so smooth like when they were right and just pixel art and like uh kind of like working the snes and and like they played so smooth like when they were right and just pixel art and like uh kind of like working like that it just it was so beautifully smooth the refresh rates on like crt tvs and the arcade cabinets for these you can still go to arcades and play it it's just like it was beautiful it was gorgeous very imaginative too but god it

was a it was a money eater. What about Raft? See. See, see, yeah, see. If you're looking at it from a content perspective, I get why people enjoy us playing Raft and why it's a good content game. I think it's turns of a game, if I was going to play that by myself or with friends, kind of like boring water Minecraft in a lot of ways.

And it's way more limited in Minecraft, so that's's good i probably wouldn't watch someone else play maybe i would i might enjoy that but yeah i wouldn't play it like off stream much yeah okay i'm good no other games you guys need to cover i mean there's so many but there's no time there's no we have no time wade we covered we covered a lot more than i thought we would today so real quick going over we have its own little off our list standard from last time gary's mod Guitar Hero slash Rock Band. Our S-tier games, Mass Effect, Zelda, Doom, The Souls series, which is very generic.

General. Minecraft, Mario, and Advanced Wars. A-tier, we have Last of Us, FNAF, Call of Duty, Halo, Diablo, Grand Theft Auto, Soma, Skyrim, Mega Man X, and Frostpunk. Move FNAF to B. Let's all agree. Move FNAF to B. The king has decreed. Sure. Yeah.

We're just talking about FNAF 1. FNAF has been downgraded. Like that, you stupid bear. So now it's The Last of Us, Call of Duty, Halo, Diablo, Grand Theft Auto, Soma, Skyrim, Mega Man X, and Frostpunk. B tier, Pokemon, Amnesia, Subnautica, The Sims, Goldeneye, Metal Slug, and FNAF. Amnesia, Subnautica, The Sims, GoldenEye, Metal Slug, and FNAF. C tier, Assassin's Creed, World of Warcraft, PUBG, League of Legends, Hearthstone, Until Dawn,

Twisted Metal, Left 4 Dead, Final Fantasy X, and Raft. D tier, sports games. F tier, Fortnite and bad UI design, which came up because of Fortnite. So, there you have it. You know what? Now that you you ran it all together i was sensing some kind of bias here hmm maybe a little bit maybe a little bit just because millions of eight-year-olds like it doesn't mean it's a good game just sports games in detail all of them rehashing ultimate pack just f tier by itself Fortnite. You might as well say Fortnite and UI design in Fortnite. Double Fortnite. I have parentheses illegal question mark by it.

So it's all there together. All right. I can't wait to see. All right. Let me calculate our final scores here. I'm ready. Oh, yeah. Scores.

I worked really hard to accumulate points. So I expect to win. You boys started off with a whopping negative 30 eat because despite me mentioning it like six times this episode's airing on my birthday and i got zero happy birthdays so negative 30 points each to start with that so our final score you know what wait i just want to say happy birthday and i'm sorry it's so late in the episode you deserved deserved earlier. It's really my fault. Thank you.

Yeah, it really means a lot now that it's too late to matter. Thank you. How many points did that get me? Oh, minus one for trying to suck up at the end where I'm already a little bit upset that there was no happy birthdays. So, Bob, at minus 23 points. Mark, it was actually relatively close. I felt like we had a pretty good discussion. Mark, the losing streak's over. Negative feel like we had a pretty good discussion. Mark.

The losing streak's over. Negative 21. You won by now two points. Wait, are we judging by absolute value? Highest absolute value? Or furthest to the right on the number line? Closest to zero. I could get closer to zero.

I could be nothing. You guys are worse than nothing I was gonna do the what do you guys know about Wayne quiz today, but then not a single fucking happy birthday It's like fuck you both you guys don't know shit about Bob tried and he lost voice So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fall in that trap again I said like two or three times at the beginning like my birthday you birthday. And you guys are like, yeah, great. Okay, let me talk about this. That's your gaslighting me right now. Spent 30 minutes talking about Mark falling over, but not a single three seconds for a happy birthday, Wade.

It's fine. Whatever. I made a very nice gesture when I said happy birthday, and you just didn't want. Yeah, you really meant it. You didn't want to have any of that. You gave me negative points for that. what does that say about your response yeah and therefore why would i try why are you fighting mark you won because of it oh we just fight it's an instinct this is why you're

on a losing streak you dumbass yeah you're right okay bob do you have a loser speech uh i like video games and i hope that everyone listening is deeply upset by at least one choice that we've made, because we did it for you. We did it specifically to offend you, and make sure that you go on the subreddit and make as many posts as you want about that and how upset you are and how angry it made you,

because we'll look at them. We'll definitely look at them. Thanks. Happy birthday, Wade. You jerk. I don't care. Mark, do you have a winner's speech? Yes, I do.

Thank you, Subreddit, for believing in me so hard. I like that you are always on my side and watching the videos here and seeing the secret signals that those listening on audio can't possibly understand and are definitely missing out on. There's so much juicy things going on here that are totally different than what we normally do when we are recording the audio episodes. Thank you for believing me, but stay on the lookout for the injustice of the future. Just because I win now doesn't mean that I can't win in the future. Wait, no. Just because I win now doesn't mean that I won't lose in the future because of ulterior motives from the other two. They're jealous of

our connection and our love. Make an eye contact with me while you're doing that. That's why you didn't know. No, no. I'm the audience. Uh-huh. Will, make sure to slowly zoom in on my lips. Move your head around more. Will, zoom in tighter.

Winning speech over. Well, thank you guys so much for joining. Hopefully this game's tier list, hopefully we at least covered more of the games you all wanted to see. I know there's still so many I would have loved to cover that we didn't, but... Part 3 coming next year. Probably. Next time I have to host and I don't have an idea.

Tier list part 3. If you guys haven't already, go follow co-host Mark. He's Markiplier. I almost called you Fark. That's okay. Follow Fark at Farkiplier. There probably is one. Don't do that.

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