Distractible - What's Wrong With Video Games?

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

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Good evening, gentle listener, and welcome to Distractable. This episode, Wicker Wade heckles Hoctua, disses Diablo, and debates the deterioration of down-time distractions. Mortifying Mark loves boxes, then ademptly identifies the issue is egregious ego, and potentially player purchases. Baleful Bob samples socks, questions ethics, and claims that commercialization has crippled the creative criteria from breathable balls to sweet proteins. Heheheheh. It's time for What's Wrong with Video Games? Now sit back and prepare to be distracted and enjoy the show Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of distractable. I'm today's host

Wait, why because I won the last one. George is always when my co-hosts Mark and Bob. Hello, man. How are you? Hello. Hi, it is cold Cincinnati. We've had like the coldest November start to December I remember school got canceled because of cold in early December. That like never happened. That's like February weather. It's like wildly cold right now. I hate it. You know where it's warm? Inside.

Inside where? I mean inside anything, anywhere, any place that's inside. Probably pretty warm. I got parts that are warm. All right. He's right down a point. He's giving me warm points. I've got warm parts.

I got lots of warm parts. You wanna feel some? I want you to feel some. You use your right down a point. He's giving me warm points. I've got warm parts. I got lots of warm parts You want to you want to feel some? Oh, I want you to feel them You use your right hand for marking your left hand for me and just start reaching see who's warmer Yeah, I bet I'm warmer. I bet him you guys ain't never had a friend like me That's a callback Give yourself a callback point Man, I don't think Wade's ever earned a point when he oh see how he's like loses six points. It is very rare.

You know, how are you guys doing? How's life? How's things? Good. Life is good. It's about to change. Huh? I have a big sweeping change that I just am bursting at the seams. My entire life, I have been led astray. My entire life. Oh, you figured it out, Bob. Was it? Nothing. Go on. Go on. My entire life, I've been led astray. My entire life. Uh oh, you figured it out, Bob. Mm. What was it?

Nothin', go on. Go on? My entire life I've been lied to, I've been slandered, I've been some other word that is also like this. I made a fundamental difference in my life that has benefited me beyond anything I could ever have dreamed of. For years and years and years I've been lied to that boxer briefs are the superior form of underwear. This is a lie. This is a lie that has been perpetuated and I will not stand for it anymore. As it turns out, briefs, tighty-whities, no leggies, whatever you want to call them underwear, that is the superior form of underwear. It

is infinitely more comfortable. I never have any of the legs bunching up when I put my pants on, when I'm walking around There ain't no chafing cuz there's nothing to chafe. There's no bunching up. There's no nothing. It is so free It is so wonderful I thought it would take me forever to get used to turns out life needed to get used to me now that I've made this change Are you throwing up? I thought he was throwing up. I just think he's... He was just puking.

Yeah, all right, okay, all right, man. This is how you do it like that. I'm not even gonna dispute you, Mark, except for people like me with very large legs, I gotta have the leg parts. Thought you were going with the dick. No, I have a very normal size penis, don't worry about it. But my legs, my leg is probably as big around as Mark's torso is. I'm enormous and

my legs are enormous. And if I don't have the pants parts, my legs just like start a little fire anytime I walk anywhere or do anything. It's very miserable. But you're right. That's why boxers are terrible and why boxer briefs are better because you get a little bit of the world that briefs allow you to live in. Cause I don't know how anyone could live in boxers, especially knitted boxers where they're not like stretchy or whatever.

It's like your junk is living in a cave. It just flops around. It's like you've got your junk loose in the trunk of a car and you're driving around a racetrack at full speed. It's terrible, but some of us do need the briefs part of the boxer or the boxer part of the boxer briefs. But I think I think you're right. I'm team boxers. You wear normal boxers.

You wear boxers, just straight up boxers. I do. Now, to be fair, I've not tried wearing boxer briefs and I don't know how long. It's been a very long time. I've just worn boxers since like high school. And I think the only reason I ever changed was because it was the cool thing to do and I was just like whatever and I wear basketball shorts and boxers and it's just kind of freeing good airflow but I've not tried briefs or

boxer briefs in a long time so maybe I need to give them another shot. I will say modern textiles have changed the nature of briefs and boxer briefs in a substantial way. I just couldn't go through high school and being like part of the men's locker room in briefs or else I would have gotten the shit kicked out of me. So I had to go team boxer. That's the thing, but that's the thing. That's the lie.

That's the lie that perpetually, cause I had boxer briefs forever because of that lie. Because I was like, oh, he's got tiny weight. Why is that even a joke? Yeah, exactly. Like that's why I had to switch back then and I haven't gone back. They're so comfortable.

Oh, we need an underwear sponsorship. They do that. There are companies that do that. Didn't we have one? Way back, I think we had one, yeah. I don't know if they just had just briefs. I don't know if they had that. This wasn't a sponsor, but I have to say the new modern athletic textile stuff, whole new

world. And I can't recommend highly enough Duluth Trading Company. There happens to be one in Cincinnati. But you can also order them online. Their materials that they use for their boxer briefs, outstanding, top notch. Can't recommend them highly enough. Not a sponsor, not paid.

I buy them with my own hard earned money. I probably, it is probably right that if this was just pure like cotton, which you know, some are, but this is like some kind of composite with like some stretchy materials in it and like breathable materials it's very nice whatever this is made of and it may not have been the same story like 20 some years ago regular old stanky cotton tighty whitey's from middle school not good modern briefs mmm top-notch so I like them I'm all about it

I had small talk I don't even care anymore I'm excited about this I never get to brag about my underwear I don't even care anymore. I'm excited about this. I never get to brag about my underwear. I don't think I do either. I've not really thought about it because I've just worn boxers for years because after junior high I think I switched because I joined the basketball team and I was like I can't be caught in there with my briefs. Because that's exactly what it was all my life and then I finally was like well I've worn through all of my pants and now I'm wearing through all of my underwear. I need to get new ones. I was like, I looked up and I literally just was trying to find out what the most

comfortable was. And if you want to say the specific brand that I bought, the brief style of it, so freeing, so underweary, it's great. All right, well, fair enough. That's why I'm so confident today. You do seem like a different man. There's something. I didn't realize that's what it was, but there was something.

Bob, did you want to have your small talk or are you just intent? What did I have to talk about? I'm also already unsure what I gave you your point for, or not Mark, Bob. You made a joke or something, warm something, and I already can't read what I wrote. I got warm parts inside me, something like that.

Parts, okay, because it looks like I wrote warm pub. That makes more sense, parts. I won't correct anything, so I'll be confused at the end again, but just wanted to double yeah No, don't change that just leave that the way it is. He'll remember one day I'll auction off my scorecard here so that way I can pay for some plumbing. No, that's gonna stop buddy Don't worry about it to complement marks underwear. I'm on the quest for Socks my socks taste is changing

I used to wear no shows and I've learned by being a person on the internet that that's not cool anymore No show socks are cringy like these So cringe those aren't as cringe as lower cut no show because those are like low ankle But crew low crew cut is really what you want and I'm on a journey right now I've been trying I've been buying like one new pair of different brand of socks every time I need to replace a pair I'm not done yet. So if anyone out there has Magical mystical sock recommendations. I'm trying things. I just bought some because I'm also upgrading all my socks as well This is is this the most boring episode ever?

Listen, we're gonna talk about whatever the fuck we want. This is our show. This is small talk. Don't worry this topic They're gonna be flying in it's gonna be be some philosophy shit or something isn't it? Okay so uh again not sponsored but I heard recommendation that darn tough socks was pretty good so I'm ordered from there and they're coming in. Socks are harder because socks need to be very specific. I'm very glad that the ankle sock trend is going away because I've never liked them. I don't like feeling my pants legs rubbing against my ankles. I don't like feeling my pants legs rubbing against my ankles. I don't like the shoes rubbing against my ankles. I like coverage and yeah, I've always been a crude guy.

I've started wearing, like I wear Brooks shoes because I had a lot of foot pain for a while and Brooks are just super padded, at least this one kind I was getting. But lately I got a pair of Hey Dudes for like a family photo thing. And I've actually been really enjoying the Hey Dudes but they are kind of low.

So like my socks still stick out over them, but I've been the Hey Dude phase of my life right now, which kind of makes me remind me of my grandpa. My grandpa at some point in life stopped wearing tie shoes and just got like Velcro, like Reeboks he wore everywhere. Dude, slip ons are kind of where it's at. I've never done the slip on thing till now, but now I'm kind of like, ah, for winter,

like taking the dogs outside when it's like fucking three degrees or whatever it is right now. It having some slip-ons where I'm not wearing flip-flops out in the freezing cold I'm still wearing my shorts because like can't change everything at once but flip-ons are nice uh any more small talk bits yeah actually I got a new story what's the name of the guy who runs like open well runs open AI Sam Altman or something like that wasn't Sam Altman the guy who was at FTX? You're right. Anyway, that's the same person in my mind. The crypto guy.

Anyway, headline, open AI continues its mission of quote ethical AI by partnering with a killer robot company. That's the headline. Is that, do they really get to say that that's their mission? Like I'm not, I have no ammunition to fire at OpenAI, but they're a for-profit company now, right? Or are they're transitioning to a for-profit company? They just aren't. If they do that, if they become, because they were a non-profit, if they become a for-profit company, or if they have already done that, they're not doing ethical AI, they're doing profitable AI. That's by definition, their motive is changed from we're a non-profit doing ethical things to

we're a for-profit company Maximizing profits doing whatever the hell is necessary as long as it's legal and maybe ethical they just get to say that that seems crazy To me. Yeah, and if you want to know about maybe ethical they partnered with Anduril Industries a defense contractor co-founded by oculus founder Palmer lucky their mission statement, please cue up the patriotic music. Boop boop boop boop. Oh wait, we've got editors. The editors got this. The editors got this.

The editors got this. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha We deter and defend needs to change to security threats You alright there Wade? You okay? Just forgot that we had editing for a minute Sometimes you feel like you're out on an island by yourself here in the podcasting world No, not with Endural industries security threats are evolving at machine speed to keep pace Endural puts products ahead of process and builds technology to bring the United States and partners quantum leaps ahead in capability. I always want my military equipment products ahead of process. Way ahead. You don't want to worry about researching anything. You want to build the best product you can

and get it out there ASAP. Also I just just wanna say I'm an ignorant piece of shit. Sam Altman is the head of OpenAI. Sam Bankman Fried, the crypto guy. Well, isn't he in jail or going to jail or something? Something like that. He's in big trouble. Yeah, he's in jail. Sam Altman is in charge of OpenAI.

I feel like every crypto guy ends up in trouble eventually. What? No. Wasn't there news about Hawk2aGirl maybe doing a, was it called a pump and dump with a coin or something? People were accusing her of that rug pool. Listen, this is all alleged. These are alleged. These are all I don't know for a fact I just saw it. We're not journalists or anything But yeah, I know coffeezilla like confronted them on a live thing on Twitter spaces or whatever the hell it's called And it's dated would appear they may have done textbook sort of rug pull potentially maybe I feel like we really missed the boat on this crypto coin thing we could have had a coin we could

have rug pulled everybody and here we are wait you and I need to launch and friends coin ASAP we need some people in we need to mark we need you to invest in this coin yeah we tell me more I'm very interested you give us money you make it eventually probably maybe no we don't even need to take marks money that's the thing with crypto you could take money out of the pockets of the fools who think you're reputable and listeners Those people then we love those guys. We just buy some buy some griff coin right now viewers There's a special message just for you Listeners you go get that coin to get back to what Mark was talking about, that sounds very ethic-ish.

I think my suggestion to Mark a few episodes back about collecting battle bots might be a bit more relevant now that there's going to be killer bots. Oh yes, because according to them, the arsenal we need is an order magnitude more than we can build at present to maintain peace and deter war. Was it uh was it iron man 2 where the one dude was like uh build me some bots and the other dude was like are you talking about hammer tech had a whip yeah yeah hammer tech guy talk about sam rockwell plays what's his name something hammer armin hammer i think armin hammer goes and plays what's his name something hammer armin hammer i think armin hammer goes in

armin hammer goes and rescues whipinski out of russian jail then they crash a formula one race or some shit like that see that's the kind of recap that makes sense to me and then he dances his robots don't listen to him it's a whole mess thank god for dony hark or whatever his name was last episode you're talking about the end of Gamer when he dances and the other? I've got you under my skin? Are you talking about Real Steel? Where he's all, you watch me, you watch me, and then he wins the fight with boxing? I forgot the- Gamer's the one with the Dexter guy, right? I forget the actor's name. Yeah, Mr. Morgan.

I've got you under my skin thing, yeah. I thought Gamer was Gerard Butler. Well it is, but he's the good guy. Oh,. Okay Dexter plays the guy who made the video game or whatever So what's his name? Michael C. Hall said Dexter. Yeah Who brought up gamer that you mark you get a segue point. Did you know that Michael C Hall sings in a band? I don't know if he actively does it but there are videos of him He's he's that you can go and see hall but there are videos of him. He's the- You can go and see Hall.

Give yourself a point. Give yourself a point. Dude, I'm winning. Give yourself a point. Okay, man. Give yourself a point. Oh, it's funny now. I was hurt. No, I'm laughing. I laughed.

You know what's funny? Oh, this is small talk. What are we doing? I realized this recently, because Disney movies. You know how I do that voice, the mocking voice? Don't you mean the rubbery? Didn't you mean the rubbery? Do you mean the rubbery? That bit. I don't know if this is the origin origin of it, but I realized where I got that from. It's actually from the movie Monsters, Inc. I've never seen that whole movie. There's a scene in the beginning of the movie where there's characters in a locker room and

one of them, the guy voiced by, oh, what's his name? Crazy teeth. Uh, I had all I could think of is Belushi, but that's not the guy. Gary Busey. No, no. The guy from Gordock empire. Steve Buscemi Steve Buscemi voices this character and he's like talking and he's like, do you hear that? That is the winds of change. And then he walks away and Mike was asking is all you hear that? you know when to change? That's totally where I got that bit from every time I do that. That's what I think of so I have a habit of doing Saying yeah, okay when people say things which is the Geico commercial when they're like the why don't we get in the running car? Are you crazy? Let's go hide behind those chainsaws. Okay. Oh

I just I mimic that one line from that stupid commercial shout out to them I guess Hey, dude that that yeah, okay has stuck with me since I first saw it that does come up a lot I just said it today We were I was driving to the airport and I don't remember someone like cut me off or whatever and they wave like I let Them in it's like, yeah, okay. I don't know. I just do that. like cut me off or whatever and they wave like I let them in it's like, okay I don't know. I just do that you cut someone off and they went No, no, they cut me off and then they wait Nearly wrecked into me force me to slam my break and they wave like thanks for letting me in

Okay, wait is that guy is one of the racers from that opening scene of fast and furious He drives past the one guy and he's all monica and wade's like you okay and drives away it's the nitrous okay yeah you okay is there a topic for this episode or i'm gonna get there eventually i gave mark a segue point like five minutes ago for uh the movie gamer because today's episode is what's wrong with video games how old are we what happened this is not about like what's wrong with video games societally it's just been like specifically here's what i'm thinking Diablo 4 had a rough launch and it got better and it got better and then they had a dlc drop and it just feels like a lot of the better they kind of undid again and it just,

I want to play, I want to love it, but man, it's roller coaster in me. And as we're filming this, Path of Exile 2 is about to come out and Path of Exile kind of had Diablo 3 by the balls. I mean, Diablo 3 ended up as a great game. I think Diablo 3 ended up as a great game by the end, but it took five, six years to get there. Path of Exile just came out, seemed like a passion project. People

loved what they were doing. They wanted to make a fun game that was like a reference to, you know, Diablo 2 and other ARPGs and stuff. Great game. And they've continued to support it. They've continued to just do great things with it. It's very popular. People enjoy it. I never hear anything bad said about Path of Exile and 2 comes out very soon and it seems like all of the hype is up for that and I've seen some interviews with the guy that's making it and he was talking about some decision making things, he's like look actually what Diablo 4 has been doing is actually very difficult. Some of the stuff that they're doing it makes sense that it's a struggle because what they're doing is challenging to make and we decided why do the hard stuff whenever we can do easier stuff that makes more

content that people like and isn't as difficult to do which was kind of like taking a shot at them but also like giving them credit for doing hard work. I'm kind of in a weird spot myself as a gamer. I still play video games quite often but I've been bouncing between games a lot lately and it just made me wonder like man I played Diablo 2 for like 10 straight years I played Diablo 3 for like 10 straight years I cannot stick with a game anymore I don't know if that's an age thing I don't know if I just need to find a new hobby or is something wrong with the video games themselves so what is wrong with video games? I'll tell you what's wrong this is what I really actually think this is very true I was gonna start off as a big

dramatic bit I think the problem with video games is that so many people in the creative driver's seat of video games are people that wanted to make movies and are instead in charge of making games. Or they're put in a position where they're making games and you have this expectation that a triple-A game must have almost a movie level of cinematography and acting and a bunch of actors in there and all this cool stuff. And I'm not saying that a good story isn't part of a good game, but in a lot of these higher end titles, I'm not saying the Apple 4 is following this because it's like, it is a bit different and Blizzard's

always done really cool cinematics that I do appreciate. Yeah, they've got a great, they've got a couple great cinematics in Forge. They probably got the greatest cinematic team in gaming company history. They pioneered a lot of technology in terms of cinematics, so all credit to them. And I'm not just talking about like the Man of Medan level where it's literally a movie that you do a couple quick time events and stuff like that. Shaking it like like legends bro. It's Amanda Madan quote.

Until Dawn had let's party like porn stars and Amanda Madan had like let's kick it like legends bro or something like that. Kicking it like legends bro. That's all I really remember about that game. There's been built up this expectation that a game puts There has been built up this expectation that a game puts story and acting and all this first, and then the gameplay is an accessory to that. But that's completely the opposite of how a game should be structured and built from the ground up. The experience, the game mechanics, the core loop needs to be established first, and then the story is built around that mechanics and the story is constrained by the limitations of the mechanics of your game loop and not the other way around because so many games that are really good games like let's say God of War. It's a great

game. I have never finished it, but I know it's really well made and it's really well told story and like the acting is great and the actual like cinematography is great and then the gameplay is also Good, you know what I mean? It's yes You talk about those those things first and then the gameplay which God of War when you go back to the original one the very first Which I played every God of War except the two new recent ones even the PSP version So the the game itself in those games was the basics of it was combat that is like Tetris style accelerating there. And God of War has that. It does have that. But it is 50-50 with the story.

And that's a balance I can accept. But it creates this expectation for the game developer where the expectation to create that cinematic experience is so high. And then they have to be like, well, we gotta raise up the game to this. And when it succeeds, those meet and it succeeds with that game. A lot of games don't succeed because they can't pull the game up to meet the story that they're trying to make at the same time. So I'm not saying story is bad. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying cinematography is bad. I'm saying like putting that first is one of the core problems of gaming today.

Diablo 4 arguably did that when it launched, playing through the campaign. The campaign was fun. The story was interesting. The cinematics were fantastic. And then you got to like level 50 out of 100, which they've changed the way leveling works now. So they have renovated that a bit, but you have to like level 50. It's like, okay, cool.

Well, we finished the story. What is there to do now? I need to get my glyphs leveled up. So let's go run some nightmare dungeons to level glyphs. There's one boss that doesn't give you any rewards. You get achievement for beating her, but that's it. So I'll just level up my glyphs so that I can run more nightmare dungeons

to level up glyphs. Is this the mid game, the end game? It's all of it. What do you mean it's all of it? And they've spent the first four or five, whatever season since then, adding mid and end game content because they had virtually none.

And they've added, and like like I said it got to a Point like a season ago where I was like actually it's in a pretty good space right now. I really enjoying I'm having fun I want to play every season. I'm playing pass getting to level 100 and playing multiple characters and it's not with the DLC coming out I don't I don't know that they really changed I don't know what they changed but it felt like they added more like grind and less reward feeling It's like I didn't feel like I was getting as much bang for my buck it was like I was like I do this guy do this guy do this guy do this like I don't want a game to feel like a job I want to feel something like fun rewarding when it gets to be taxing to

play it loses me very quickly and something about the DLC again great story but the added stuff to do just felt like a chore that wasn't rewarding enough to make me want to do it and it just hurts me because I want Diablo to succeed because I love Diablo's universe. I've played it since the 90s and it's like I don't want to see it fail but man are they trying their best to make it fail sometimes it feels like. I think you're spot on with that and that's a good start. Thank you. Oh you Bob what you got? Yeah I have deep thoughts too and really really insightful things just like Mark did. You don't have to go that deep, we can just talk about simple. No, the cynical, the one thing I do think,

then this is the cynical part of my take on this, I think is if they're a business, video games more than ever are a business. It's a huge industry. It's been a growth industry for the last, I don't know, six, seven, 10 years. Money people have realized gaming isn't just a thing that nerds do, it's a thing that they could use to make a lot of money. There's

a ton of money in it and people spend money on the thing, the games that they're invested in. And so I do feel like there's been, not that the the golden age of gaming was in our youth, because I think everyone feels that about everything. Everything when you were a kid was the best version of whatever. But like you could see in the way that things are designed, and not all games, but a lot of the popular games are designed to make sure that you log on every day, as opposed to make sure that you have

some specific experience where it's like this game, like you know, Quake is about crazy arena shooter flying around. Quake has a distinct identity. It is Quake. Those are a thing. Halo has a pretty distinct identity. I feel like they've lost some of it

as the modern Halo games, but the original Halo stuff, it had a very specific feel and identity and like they made it because they were trying to make that game. But like Fortnite, and I have nothing against Fortnite, I play Fortnite. It's very fun.

It doesn't feel like it's a distinct thing. It feels like Fortnite they're like well what's popular? Who's popular? Who can we work into this? What mechanics are popular? What do people like? How can we change the entire core of the game that we made to include and pander to whatever is currently popular? And again I'm saying the like-stake thing. It's fun and it works but it doesn't feel like they have some specific vision for what it is it feels like the vision is how the fuck do we get people to log on here and buy V bucks and buy the battle pass and finish the battle pass so that they're on for six plus hours a day seven days a week

for the rest of their existence and And it is fun and it works. I'm not even saying that I'm immune to being sucked in by that. There are mobile games that I play. Fortnite, I play not a lot, but a little bit because it's like, oh, that's cool. I want to I want to go see the skin. They have Snoop Dogg season or whatever like that feels like it's taking over to me. More and more stuff exists and is dominating the market where the goal is like Call of Duty, I played Black Ops 6 for the first time recently. Call of Duty has always kind of been, it changes. It has changed. There's been a shit ton of them and they all

change. But the, the, just the way the news one feels, it feels like they were like, man, Fortnite's really successful. How do we just fucking, what if we just copy their menus and just jam all the Call of Duty looking shit into one thing? Because now Call of Duty isn't even a game. It's like a launcher where all the Call of Duty content that's playable is all in one place. And again, it works. People like it.

I don't care for it as much as I used to, but it just feels like there's no, it's very money driven. And that, that makes everything feel kind of cheap. That makes me feel like it's hard to really want to get invested. I must have put months of my life into Call of Duty 4 and not because it's a gaming masterpiece, but because that satisfies a part of my gamer personality, which is like competitive fun. It was consistent.

It was something that I learned and got really good at. I have no reason to get that invested in modern Call of Duty stuff. Every new game feels like they were like, well, how can we make sure they have to buy more shit from this one, cause it's different from the last one. It works, people like it, but I think that's what makes everything feel kind of shallow and cheap in a lot of modern games, especially popular games. That's fair.

I mean, Call of Duty specifically, I think college, late college, whatever year, Black Ops, Modern Warfare 2, and then Black Ops 2. I think those were the three I put the most time into. It's like I played them from the time they launched to when the next one came out and so on and so forth. I played a shit ton of it. I cared about my kill death ratio and all that stuff.

It was all like, dude, I just went 43 and 0 on jungle. I'll never forget my first time having a major kill streak and zero deaths i did like three times ever where i had like 40 plus kills and no deaths i was like my average kill death was like 1.3 but no it was 43 and ohs man and then like lately i played some of i forget which call of duty it was that had like oh god what was the mode it was the their zombie mode but their zombie mode was not the waves. It was like the open world. Like you go and do different tasks around, but like meanwhile there's also zombies coming after you.

Was that Cold War? It might've been. I wouldn't know by name, but like you had to go and extract when you were done and you would like get your pack a punch machine around the map and so on and so forth. And there were like different zones where the zombies at the middle were the toughest

and then less tough and then the easy ones were the edge. I had fun with that mode, but like the actual multiplayer and stuff like I played through the story the story was fine. The multiplayer just I've not I've not cared for PvP in a long time which makes me care very little about Call of Duty because they really just cater to that mode. It's all about their um battle royale. They have like their battle royale and they have their multiplayer PvP. I just don't care about that stuff anymore so it's been hard for me to get into it. But yeah not since high school or college have I really cared about a Call of Duty all that much outside of like a couple of zombie modes.

I know what's wrong with gaming. This is gonna be a bold one. It's gonna be very aggressive. I stand by every word that I'm about to say. The gamers themselves. Oh, it's our fault. Not us, not us. We're better. We're better than this. I think that the gamers themselves don't realize how complicit they are in the choices that developers are making towards these games. There is something to be said about the the loot boxes of the world and the exploitation of like gambling habits and the psychology of it that companies are trying to exploit very aggressively that should be made aware of but at this point

people are aware of these things and they need to understand that there is a feedback between the pre-order hype that everyone tells people don't pre-order why would you there is no benefit towards it sometimes you get like a pre-order bonus and that's just because they're There is no benefit towards it. Sometimes you get like a pre-order bonus and that's just because they're incentivizing you to give your money earlier. And if there's a bonus, you're really like, sure, why not? But you don't know if a game's good

because every game nowadays releases too early. And the pre-orders are part of a cycle that leads to developers releasing games too early because they have your money. And the company that owns all these game companies now have a schedule of how they want and when they want to make money. They're like we need to make money on October. Your games coming out in October get those pre-order bonuses going because we want our money and when the game comes out they don't give a shit what happens afterwards.

Money is the only thing that talks in this world and the entire world of gaming has been infiltrated by money Just like what Bob was saying, but it's also on the responsibility of the gamers and the consumers themselves to consume responsibly and Really really think about what they are leaning into Again the gambling side of it and the loot box side and the actually being exploited side that is that is difficult to break for a Lot of people but we all are aware of this now and also side note to the gamers being responsible to this now more than ever is trend based gaming there's a lot of people that will play games because it is popular to play them not even because they enjoy playing it part of it is our fault this is where we've kind of part

of it because we're content creators and streamers we perpetuate this issue where there's like a certain attention to certain games, and a lot of times you'll get streamers, maybe not us, but they won't play a game unless they're paid to play it, or they won't play a game because they know they won't get viewership for it, and that is also part of the problem. I'm not saying there's a big single solution to it, but self-awareness is something that's easy to forget in a larger statistical average of population size, right? You look at a large sense like, well, this is a piece of the pie. What I do doesn't matter, but it does.

It always does. The individual matters in your actions as an individual matter. And especially our actions as influencers matter because even though I don't like the word influencer, there's no denying that what we do is influential with the people that watch us, and they will play the games that we play, and they will copy the behavior that we exude, and they will do what we do. And there are some bad, bad examples of people

who do gaming content that are just shit people, and it's just, they're just terrible, and like- Names? Huh? Wanna drop some names? Wade Barnes, LordMinion, Minion777. I hate that guy. Yeah, that guy.

Oof. No. I'm just saying like individual responsibility in the gaming world is something that is dismissed out of hand. Content creators and stuff is a whole other ball game because like playing games, so just going with trends, like whenever you're making content, it's your job. It's hard not to, right? Because you have to jump on trends to get views or you have to start trends or whatever else but the influence side of like people playing games only for trends i've kind of always wondered about that to some extent because like lethal company i'll actually play lethal company for fun with just with friends like we'll get together we'll play lethal company we just have a good time with it some games like phasmophobia i still play phasmophobia from time to time on stream or like for videos. I enjoy playing it for content. That's not a game I really want to play outside of making content

for it. I don't really like being scared unless it's with friends and typically viewers. I just don't care for being scared all that much. But Phasmophobia is a game I'm kind of surprised. Still gets updates, still gets love. I think it's popular. People play it, people stream it, people make videos on it and that's fine. But there are just certain games like that, that to me, in my mind, are like, these are good content-making games, but are people buying these games to play them themselves? Like, maybe, some people, clearly they are, so people enjoy playing it. But like, it's not a game I would play for fun outside of the fact that I think it's a great content game. It's fun to play that with friends and viewers and stuff.

And that's not meant to be a knock on Phasmophobia and things specifically. It's just one of those things where there's games like that where it's like, do people really play some games outside of just making content on them? And obviously content creators themselves don't. I'm not talking about them specifically, but like viewers, it's like, how do people out there play Phasmophobia and don't make content on it? Like you actually enjoy it or certain games and stuff like that. I don't know. I'm fortunate.

Like I think we're fortunate we're in a position where you don't have to play the trend game. I did you know there was a time period 2014 2015 whatever I remember Rust seven days today I was playing those before they got super popular but even when they were getting popular I was like oh boy more Rust and more seven days today I like these games but also they're popular it's great for me what a great trend to be on. There is a game to be played there especially whenever you're struggling paycheck to paycheck kind of stuff with your job and ups and downs We've all been there again. Not me never I've never been there always up. You should try it

Just don't go down one day. I have to look down at the peons beneath me Just don't look it down either. Just start pissing. That's all I do, but it's just an interesting conversation Your point. What is it? I wrote down stuff. Pre-orders, Legendary Edition, Deluxe Edition, the gotcha style stuff, Battle Passes, Early Access, all those things people pay extra money for in a lot of games that just never get finished. You pay for all that stuff and then the game flops and you're just out of the money. Can I ask a question?

Is that where the word peons comes from? Because those are the ones that you pee on, they are the peons. Is that where that comes from? I'm glad you asked this. My minor was in linguistic studies. Yes, 100%. This is the origination. Because it never occurred to me, but that just is perfect.

It is. They're the ones that you pee on them. Doing a very rough Google search, it looks like it's more based on Latin based language, Spanish and Latin French words that basically go with ped, which is foot. So it's like foot soldier, peons are foot soldiers. Well, your dumb Google AI doesn't know what the hell it's talking about. I'm asking the real AI connected to the military equipment. I wish it. I was really hoping it would be like yes because kings used to pee on their subjects from their high castle walls.

I was hoping that would be the truth. No no no. Its distractible route is yes pee on. Sorry I didn't mean to bring truth to our podcast we can go back to peddling bullshit. But we're talking about what's wrong with video games. They're too complicated. It's too many pixels. When I was a kid, if you were a good counter, you could count the number of polygons on the screen at any given moment. There was X number of polygons and X was a number you could count to in a reasonable amount of time.

No, honestly, I do. I, it's not, I don't think this is a problem with games. I do feel bad for developers. The world of releasing a game now, in terms of what it's going to be played on, hardware wise, is just gotta be a fucking nightmare. 10, 15 years ago, when we were younger people, there were still a lot of things. There were a lot of different devices

and there were different configurations of computers. You would have different cards together. There's just even more now. And it's even so complex. I can't imagine how some people, especially small studios, put something out that works on your computer, my computer, someone's computer, which is 10 years older than ours. It's not a problem. There's not really a solution to it, but I do think the more complicated tech gets and computers get and you have Steam decks

and you have the Asus rogue ally type things and you have and mobile gaming is also is the biggest sector I think in the gaming market there's just all this shit I get why it's hard to make a game work across all kinds of different devices I don't think there's an excuse for games like Battlefield having such terrible server support that you can't even play a match without like teleporting around and falling out of the Earth. That's a different thing, because they chose that. They run their software on their servers and they're a big company.

They're a AAA company. They can manage that. I do think it must be tough. I feel like I'm not answering the brief at all. This is not a problem that's wrong with gaming, but it must be really tough for smaller developers to deal with the infinite number of combinations of shit that your game may or may not be playable on. And that's your responsibility. Well, that's fair.

Permission to hijack the podcast. I don't know how I forgot to talk about something that is going to be the next thing people meme about me for probably months. Do we know about this? Is this new? I bought something. What did you buy, Mark? Have you heard of Brazine?

Is that that magazine for bros? No, don't look it up. Don't look it up. Don't look it up. All right. So, this substance, to try to obtain this substance, my plan was to go on the Nigeria subreddit, try to befriend someone, and see if they could purchase me the Oobly Fruit. The Oobly Fruit is native to West Africa, some parts of Central Africa, and it is a sweet-tasting fruit that is not for sale in America in any way shape or form. Because it's... dangerous?

Illegal? Ohhhh! It could quit- issues? There's a reason for this or...? Just not for sale! Just not for sale. Oh, okay. In this fruit, in this fruit is a substance that has been named brazine because the-

I told you this is worth- this is worth hijacking the moment for I can't believe I haven't talked about this It's from the plant Penta de plandra brasiana Bylon this fruit from this plant contains a substance that has been named brasine, which is a sweet protein Hmm that sounds weird. I know, right? It's super weird. A sweet protein that they say- let me pull up the article for brazine. It's found in the extracellular region in the pulp tissue surrounding the seeds with pentadine discovered in 1989. Brazine is the second sweet tasting protein discovered within the oobly fruit.

Like other sweet proteins, it is extremely sweet compared to commonly used sweeteners. 500 to 2,000 times sweeter than sucrose. The fruit tastes sweets to humans and monkeys and bonobos, but gorillas have mutations in their sweetness receptors, so they do not find brassine sweet and are not known to eat the fruit. Just so you know. So I went on a hunt to buy brassine because it's one of the only heat tolerable sweet proteins in existence so you can bake with it, right? So you could make sweet cookies out of a protein that is sweet. It's... it blows my mind. Is brazine the actual name of the protein? I did look it up after you have been talking and I'm seeing

Brazzin, the actual name of the protein, cause I did look it up after you have been talking, and I'm seeing pentadine is the sweet tasting protein. There's two, so there's pentadine and brazzin. I believe brazzin is, well, maybe, I don't know, I barely looked this up before I started trying to befriend people in Nigeria, but I barely looked it up and I was like, wow. So I bought a kilogram of it.

Oh my God. Cause that was the smallest. That was the smallest. Jesus Christ, you bought a key of brazzin? A kilogram of it. Oh my god You bought a key of brazine dude Dude that's enough to distribute You're gonna get arrested for trafficking man, Jesus Jesus Christ, trafficking with intent to distribute. God. A kilogram costs $278. Brazine is a sweet tasting pre,

it's a sweet tasting pre, yeah, it is. But it's just like, my brain doesn't comprehend that because even artificial sweeteners, they're not proteins, they're just like, you know, chemicals that taste kind of sweet, but you know, this is a protein, so it actually has calories, it's just that it's sweet. That's weird to me. So I bought it. Did you get it yet? No, I'm, it's shipping from China, you know, the fruit from Africa.

I gotta get it in before the tariffs come in, man, or else that bros is gonna be super expensive. It's just a cube, a block that shows up of compressed white powder it's Just talcum powder on it scratched out and written in yeah brah zine whatever they got a no questions from the FDA Confirming the protein is safe for use in food and beverages. So why isn't in the USA? I don't know that was just March of this year. It's apparently it's FDA approved I don't know. That was just March of this year. Apparently it's FDA approved. Anyway, if anyone is listening to this,

from a country that grows the oobly fruit. Oh, for fuck's sake, man. That's what this is about. What do you mean? Mark's just leveraging our show to get people to buy him things. When you wreck your car driving 30 miles to get the oobly plant, call Mark.

Let him know about your bumper buster. That's not what it is. So you can come on this podcast and give him his goddamn product. No, no. I'm just curious. Aren't you guys curious about it? I mean, as a diabetic person, I would be insanely curious about it.

I'm surprised I haven't heard about this. Yeah, because there's a brand that makes some chocolate about it with it, but those are also expensive. So I was just like, I wonder what it would taste like if I could get some. This is a ridiculously outlandish thing to do. But 300 bucks for a kilogram of the stuff, if it's a usable product, that's not actually terrible

for something that is low, is an artificial sweetener, low glycemic response, and gives you protein when you consume it. Like, I have no idea, it's probably gross or something. Like, it probably tastes like sweet steak or something confusing, but- No, people say it tastes just like sugar. That's crazy. A kilogram of normal protein is between 20 and $30. For a rare thing, I think it'll probably come down in price. I'm sure that it'll become more common

now that it's been said. And I know that there's probably people that are trying to grow the fruit over here, but I'm gonna be like, hey, send me the seeds. I'll grow them. We'll start an oobly. Mark's gonna start a grow house with the solar panels. The police are gonna pull up,

you got your pot plants out front that are legal now in those states. They're gonna come inside, bust out the door, open up your closet, the halogen lights are on, full display of your ooblee place. I got dust in my mustache, my beard just white everywhere, like, oh, you can't take my protein, man! People that are naked with like the mask on just like rolling up your protein That's ridiculous. So it literally has no glycemic effect meaning it doesn't raise your blood sugar at all It literally is the effect of eating protein but getting the sweetness and that's why cuz like right now

I think that's how I discovered cuz I'm doing a like mostly protein diet and I'm not really doing carbs So I was like, I wonder what kind of sweeteners are, found this, I'm all about it. Give me that shit, bought it, paid for it. Can't speak to the veracity here, but apparently you can buy seeds for the Oobly plant. And I have a website. Where? rarepalmseeds.com.

I have fucking rarepalmseeds.com. Yeah, my lovely, the fucking, when you Google something now and like the AI overview thing gives you info I don't know how much I trust it, but it told me that it's out of stock. Oh, yeah it is Beautiful out of stock Beautiful oh the product code that's the product code Product code It was like beautiful it was out of stock I was very confused this like they were they're really happy they're out of stock Accommodations of letters What do we call it man? Is that

one taken? How many whys are in that? Oh man. Anyway, so Bob, you get it. Like this could be really cool. This I'm assuming there are reasons that this is not blown up immediately, but also this would be the hunt for sweeteners that do not actually affect your blood sugar is fascinating because there was one that was, I think it's called erythritol, very promising, except one of the warnings is don't consume it because it'll cause you to have strokes. It's not a high chance of having a stroke, but I literally, I think it was like a sports drink that a new version of a sports drink came out that was like the zero sugar version And I was like, oh, this is the most delicious one. I've had I drank the whole thing and then I was like, what is that?

Erythritol and oh strokes. Oh, I should probably not consume a lot of that or any more ever I guess is that the one that also dogs can have cuz they'll die Maybe I don't know but it but yeah, that's the thing, right? Is all the artificial sweeteners have their... Either they have a downside or they taste weird. And it's like, you could deal with that. And also baking. The fact that the brosine is heat stable is a big deal because it's really difficult to get the baking outcomes that you want with most in general current sugar substitute things. Even they make ones for baking, they mediumly work. And the protein still is going to be funky because you're substituting sugar, which is hydroscopic and

has its own qualities in the baking process for a protein, but at least it's stable. So you could do other things to anyway. It's interesting. I'm surprised I haven't heard about this. This is something that I tend to pay attention to, things like this. How's the plant pronounced? Is it weebly, oobley? Herb-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-er-ter. Oobley O-U-B-L-I is what I see. I'm hoping it's weebly

so I can make my weebly board joke, which is like a Ouija board, but if it's not, then forget it. Make it anyway, just in case. You might be right. I just did. I hope it was fun. I had this whole thing.

I was like, yeah, I'm looking at this the entire plants very useful You have the protein that you can use to have like the sugar and even the outside of the fruits use the big Weebly boards for ghost hunting You know now I was like, well, it's probably pronounced Weebly So I better just ruin the joke ahead of time if you hadn't explained it that would have totally worked I think we've been saying Obly but I for some reason my brain I saw the ogie was like Weegee board! Anyway, anyone in a country that grows the weebly fruit? Give us some. I was watching our Spotify raps and we have been viewed in a hundred and sixty five countries I think it was. Someone's got to have access to some of that. There's a good chance one of those has an oobly albly

woobly weebly Just cover all the bands Or peckaden. Pecker dick? What is it called? Penta-dyn? Penta-dyn and brassine are both in the oobly print. They're from that plant. Both of those apparently are promising. I didn't even- I gotta buy some Penta-dyn. Yeah, apparently this is one great fruit. We need to get those seeds. Nobody go to that website and buy seeds so Mark can get some. Shit! You just crashed rarepalmseeds.com. Everyone was just like, oh, let's go see if wibbly seeds are in stock for Mark.

And people can see the ebbababberpepper, beautiful, out of stock. Do you have the ebbababberpepper fruit? So that's what's wrong with video games. Hey, we got to the bottom of it everybody. Not enough sweet protein. Not enough good sugary proteins of video games Need more Studio Ghibli fruit you got to go to Where's this fruit looking West African country of West African first isolated by the University of Wisconsin So apparently Wisconsin's down in West Africa taking all the OOBLY. Go Badgers

Actually, no fuck them. Oh. Boo Badger what? Football? Basketball or something? Yeah they stole UC's coach. Oh right okay. Anytime someone poaches our coach I root for nothing but the worst for them and they're having a really bad season so I feel vindicated. Like Brian Kelly I'll never root for that man again after he left us. You gotta really be a roach to go for the coach poach. It never works out either. People leave UC after having great years and they collapse elsewhere they go even though Brian Kelly had a pretty good senior at Notre Dame, but like... Never won a championship! Could it with us?

Definitely wouldn't have. We made the... We were the only non-conference to make the playoff, it was only four teams. Anyway, no one watching cares about my sports knowledge. I care. Nah, no one cares. Okay. Mark, you're slightly making up for that lost point from using our viewers for products again. Yeah, you're right.

But if it works? I mean, hey, what's the point when you get what you want? I'll split that kilo three ways with you guys. Yeah, listen, Mark, if you get some seeds smuggled into the country here, I will go in with you on a grow house here. We'll get that set up. That's what's wrong with the government, man.

They're sitting on all of our oobly seeds. them for themselves. All right man. Government! All right anyway. Anything else about video games y'all want to talk about? We can just wrap this one up. I mean we got some pretty good stuff in here. Is it relevant at all that I know the bit is that we're getting older but I think we're starting to actually age out of the market that they really target those video games at in terms of like product stuff. Are we just too old to like all the new things that are coming out? Is that the problem?

Because I feel like we're like maybe on the fringe of it. Maybe we're not out of it. But I feel like 18 to 34 is the age range that I would imagine they're really trying to get involved and engaged with the gaming stuff. The average age of a video gamer is apparently 35, so apparently it's right where we're at. Oh, okay. Maybe that's not it.

I imagine the age range is going up because it's not like people who played games, gaming habits are, well, they're probably less because they have more responsibilities and other things to do, but they still love it and they have more money now. So, well, usually when you're growing older, you're usually earning a bit more. So you have more disposable income. That's in an ideal world in the world that we live in, a little bit different, but you know, so they probably are still targeting us.

So we matter, we matter. I don't know what this is. I don't know who gathered this data or how accurate it is. But. The government. Sorry. According to this in 2021, the age distribution of us gamers us only 20% were under the age of 18 38% were between 18 and 34

14% 35 to 44 12 45 to 54 9 55 to 64 7 65 years and older I'm not a big math guy But there's just no chance that that breakdown gives you an average age of 35 years old for the average video gamer. Yeah, maybe they went with median for the average. I don't know. I do think our generation, because we're kind of in the Millennials, we are still like one of the bigger generations in terms of gross number of people. So maybe we that's why we're still prominent in terms of the age. But yeah, that's skewed much younger than the average being 35. 58% are 34 or younger but maybe they're on the higher end of like the 18 to 34 and therefore

the other 42 adds up to like I don't know. Like I said I'm not a big math guy so I don't know. I guess like 80 years old also bumps up the range rather like you know zero to 35 80 is a bit higher on the end than 0 is from 35 maybe that fucks it with a little bit I don't know all those hundred-year-old gamers out there who knows I'm not even saying that's a problem I was just asking a question that was a good question I had to look it up cuz I mean it's possible we're not the ones being marketed to eventually that's gonna be the case eventually we're gonna be the old people yelling at

clouds and everything is gonna be made for people much younger than us but maybe we're not there yet maybe we're still relevant yes yeah yeah that's a good idea there sonny yes yes well let's wrap all this one up then i think good show good hijacking good small talk is this the same episode that we talked about underwear and socks in yep man what a journey we have been My episodes are always so focused and just you know on the money. Never wander but this is a show called Distractable. So you're really not living up to the name man you gotta you gotta unfocus. You gotta lock out. You need to leave us some room to explore here. Give us some space. I'm just here dude. Mark for no particular reason I'm gonna read your points first. I've lost all hope. You've got points for bold underwear opinion,

OpenAI killer robots, segue, story first, game second is wrong, gamers themselves, trend-based gaming, I put the whole like money, pre-orders, legendary edition, all that stuff, I put all that as a point. Brazen? Question mark, question mark? Bought a kilo, and you lost the point for using our viewers again I got four points. I got him in the loose to wait two that are just points and then kicking it like legends Bob you got points for warm pubes, which I don't think is their parts warm parts

Warm people works normal dick mocking mark socks call of duty business Warm parts. Ah, warm pubes works. Normal dick. Mocking mark. Socks. Call of duty. Business. How ever copy Fortnite. Too complicated. Tech disparity. We aren't the target anymore. I don't know if I said P-on, but P-on.

Bob, you got... Just give it to him straight, man. Tell him his loss is a... Nine points. Oh, that's not a good number. That's too low. Mark. Oh, boy. You you had 11 minus one so you ends up with 10 finally I mean finally you just hosted an episode I know but I'm like Thanos get me a fantasy stuff you know how he did you remember that I'm like the Hulk when he tries to use

the gauntlet and I'm all, ah, ah, fail. And then I eat tacos. And I have tacos. Yeah, that's true. Well, hey, I came in third today. That's not bad. For you, that's great. Yeah.

Wait, what? Oh. Loser speech? No, that's me. If I get some good sock recommendations out of this, it was worth losing. And if anyone hits us up with the, ooh, ooh, ooh, little, oodly, boo, fruit, what's it called? Oobly weebly? Weebly fruits, seeds? That

would be doubly worth it because I need to, you know what I need to try? Try some brazi. I need to see for myself. I should have just nixed the whole video game thing and turned this into our Christmas wish list from our viewers. Anyone has any phone case recommendations you think are out there? Toss those out too. But we've covered that. Is it the new phone? Did you get the new one? No, I have an iPhone 15 Pro. It's not the new new one. Well, I thought you liked your case for that one.

I have eight cases currently for this phone. I thought you finally found one you really liked. I keep finding ones I really like. I'm on the second case I ever bought for this phone right now. I'm running back through the rotation, but it's an addiction. And I can't stop. And I will buy more if you tell me to buy them. So put it in the subreddit. Okay, I lose.

Mark's turn. I look forward to the moment that someone tells me that Oogly Fruit is going to make my spleen and testicles explode, but it will taste incredibly sweet before then. And I am willing to take that sacrifice and risk it all for the sake of a sweet protein. I looked up the amino acid profile, has everything except for tryptophan and threodine, which sounds like a fake amino epi- Did you 5D chess us? Have you been 5D chessing us for a while now? You just offered to have your testicles explode, your arm fall-

We just did an episode where we replaced all of your fucking body parts and now you're like, oh this might take my body parts, oh no. Yep. Anyway, it's got everything except threonine and tryptophan and who needs those anyway? So, really cool protein, almost complete, almost complete, just like me. I'm Wade, that's Mark, that's Bob. It's been a fun episode I hope you all learned something about something today find Bob some socks phone case and find them both some oobly oobly Owly Wow, believe whatever it's called. Stay tuned for the next one Mark will host and probably ask you all for some more stuff until then podcast out Editors play us out I don't think they usually include stuff that happens after after the host says podcast out

I never watched this far so I don't know this might not ever make it. This might just be us. Well Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. Happy New Year. Happy Kwanzaa. Happy other holidays Wow