Disturbing History - The 1857 Mountain Meadows Massacre

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

In September 1857, a wagon train of roughly one hundred and forty men, women, and children from Arkansas made camp in a remote valley in southwestern Utah Territory. They were headed to California. Th...ey never made it. Over the course of five days, members of the local Mormon militia and recruited Paiute warriors besieged the Fancher-Baker party at Mountain Meadows, and on September 11, under a white flag of truce, lured the emigrants into surrendering their weapons with a promise of safe escort.What followed was one of the worst mass killings in American frontier history. The men were shot at point-blank range by the militiamen walking beside them. The women and older children were attacked simultaneously. Only seventeen children survived, all under the age of seven, spared because they were deemed too young to identify the killers.This episode traces the full story from the decades of genuine persecution that drove the Latter-day Saints west, through the paranoia of the Utah War and the incendiary rhetoric of the Mormon Reformation, into the valley where faith and fear produced an atrocity that the institution then spent over a century trying to bury. We examine the five-day siege, the white-flag deception, the systematic killing, the plundering of the dead, the theft of the surviving children, and the cover-up that followed. We follow the twenty-year road to the trial and execution of John D. Lee, the only man ever held accountable, who was offered up as a scapegoat while the men who gave the orders lived out their lives as free men.And we confront the deeper question that Mountain Meadows forces on all of us — what happens when an institution decides its survival matters more than the truth, and how the machinery of denial, deflection, and carefully managed regret can stretch across generations. This isn't just a story about one faith or one community. It's a story about the patterns of institutional self-protection that repeat across American history, from Tulsa to Tuskegee to the Catholic abuse crisis, and about what we owe the dead when the living would rather forget.Have a forgotten historical mystery, disturbing event, unsolved crime, or hidden conspiracy you think deserves investigation?Send your suggestions to brian@paranormalworldproductions.com.Disturbing History is a dark history podcast exploring unsolved mysteries, secret societies, historical conspiracies, lost civilizations, and the shadowy stories buried beneath the surface of the past.Follow the show and enable automatic downloads so you never miss a deep dive into history’s most unsettling secrets.Because sometimes the truth is darker than fiction.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Some stories were never meant to be told. Others were buried on purpose. This podcast digs them all up. Disturbing history peels back the layers of the past to uncover the strange, the sinister, and the stories that were never supposed to survive. From shadowy presidential secrets to government experiments that sound more like fiction than fact, this is history they hoped you'd forget. I'm Brian, investigator, author, and your guide through the dark corner.
Starting point is 00:00:30 of our collective memory. Each week I'll narrate some of the most chilling and little-known tales from history that will make you question everything you thought you knew. And here's the twist. Sometimes the history is disturbing to us. And sometimes, we have to disturb history itself, just to get to the truth.
Starting point is 00:00:49 If you like your facts with the side of fear, if you're not afraid to pull at threads, others leave alone. You're in the right place. History isn't just written by the victors. victors. Sometimes, it's rewritten by the disturbed. There are stories in American history that sit in the open, technically available to anyone who goes looking, but somehow never quite make it into the version of the past we tell ourselves. They don't get taught in schools. They don't show up
Starting point is 00:01:26 in the documentaries people actually watch. They float at the edges of public memory, half acknowledged, occasionally referenced, but never really confronted. The story I'm about to tell you as one of those. In September of 1857, in a remote valley in the Utah territory, somewhere around 120 men, women, and children were slaughtered. They weren't killed by a foreign army. They weren't killed by outlaws or raiders, though that's what the killers wanted people to believe. They were killed by their neighbors, by settlers, by men who considered themselves deeply, profoundly religious, men who prayed before the killing started, men who prayed after it was done. And then, for decades, those men and the institutions that shaped them worked very hard to
Starting point is 00:02:14 make sure the world either didn't know what happened or didn't understand why. This is the Mountain Meadows massacre, and it belongs on disturbing history, not just because of the body count, though the body count is staggering. It belongs here because of what came after. The silence, the deflection, the institutional machinery that ground into motion not to seek justice, but to protect a narrative, to shield an organization, to rewrite what happened in that valley so thoroughly that even today, more than 160 years later, you can find people who'll tell you it wasn't really what it was. That's what makes this one cut deep. It's not just a massacre. It's a case study and what happens when an institution decides that its own survival matters more than the truth. When faith becomes armor against accountability, when the dead become inconvenient, and the living decide that forgetting is easier than reckoning.
Starting point is 00:03:11 I need to say something before we go any further. This episode is about a specific historical event, and it involves the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I want to be clear about what I'm doing here and what I'm not doing. I'm not attacking a religion. I'm not suggesting that the actions of men in 1857 define millions of people living today. I'm not interested in cheap shots or broad-brush condemnation. What I am interested in is the truth, and the truth of Mountain Meadows is brutal,
Starting point is 00:03:43 complicated and instructive in ways that go far beyond any single denomination. Because here's the thing. This isn't just a Mormon story. It's an American story. It's a story about what happens when persecuted people gain power and then misuse it. About how victimhood can curdle into aggression. About how institutions, religious, political, governmental, will sacrifice individuals to protect themselves. And about how the rest of us, the broader culture, will sometimes look the
Starting point is 00:04:13 other way, because the full story is just too uncomfortable to sit with. So let's sit with it. Let's go back to 1857. Let's go to a valley in southwestern Utah, where the grass was good and the water was clean, and a group of families from Arkansas thought they'd found a safe place to rest. They were wrong. You can't understand what happened at Mountain Meadows without understanding what happened to the Latter-day Saints before they ever got to Utah. And I mean really understanding it, not just knowing the bullet points, but feeling the weight of it, because the persecution they endured was real. It was severe, and it left marks that hadn't healed by 1857. Not even close. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was founded in 1830 by Joseph Smith in upstate New York. From almost the
Starting point is 00:05:02 very beginning, the saints faced hostility. Some of it was theological. Mainstream Protestants found Smith's claims of new revelation threatening and heretical. Some of it was economic. The saints moved in groups, bought land collectively, and voted as a block, which made their neighbors nervous. Some of it was social. Rumors about plural marriage, about secret rituals, about political ambitions swirled around the community like smoke. And some of it was just raw, ugly bigotry.
Starting point is 00:05:32 The kind of thing that happens when a new group shows up and the people already there decide they don't like the look of them. The Saints were driven out of New York. They went to Curtland, Ohio, where they built a temple and tried to establish an economic foothold. For a while, it worked. But the Curtland Safety Society, a quasi-banking institution Smith helped establish,
Starting point is 00:05:53 collapsed in 1837 during the National Financial Panic. Members lost money. Trust eroded. Accusations of fraud and financial mismanagement drove a wedge through the community. Some of Smith's closest associates turned against him. The saints fractured, regrouped, and moved on. They went to Missouri, where things got much worse.
Starting point is 00:06:16 The saints settled in Jackson County, which Smith had identified as the future side of Zion, the New Jerusalem. But the existing residents didn't want them there. The theological claims were alarming enough, but what really set people off was the economic and political threat. The saints were arriving in large numbers, buying land, voting as a block, and talking openly about this being their promised land. For the Missourians who already lived there, this wasn't just a new church moving in.
Starting point is 00:06:46 It felt like an invasion. Violence came quickly. In 1833, mobs destroyed the Mormon printing press and independence, tarred and feathered church leaders, and forced the saints out of Jackson County at gunpoint. The saints relocated to other parts of Missouri, but the conflict followed them. Scirmishes escalated. Property was destroyed. People on both sides were hurt. And then, in October of 1838, things spiraled completely out of control. Missouri Governor Lilburn Boggs issued what became known as the Extermination Order,
Starting point is 00:07:21 Executive Order 44, which declared that Mormons must be treated as enemies and must be exterminated or driven from the state. I want you to hear that again. not relocated, not asked to leave, exterminated. That's the actual language of an executive order issued by a sitting American governor. It remained technically on the books in Missouri until 1976. Three days after that order was issued, a militia attacked the Mormon settlement at Hans Mill. The details are sickening. Around 200 armed men descended on the settlement, which had about 30 to 40 defenders.
Starting point is 00:08:00 The Mormons tried to take shelter in. in a blacksmith shop, but the attackers fired through the gaps in the logs. When the shooting stopped, 17 people were dead, including a 10-year-old boy named Sardius Smith. According to multiple accounts, one of the attackers found the boy hiding under the bellows, put a gun to his head, and killed him. When asked about it later, the man reportedly said something to the effect that Nitz make lice, the same logic that would later be used to justify the killing of Native American children on the frontier. No one was ever prosecuted for Hans Mill, not one person. The Saints were forced out of Missouri at gunpoint during the winter of 1838 to 1839. Families trudged through snow and mud with
Starting point is 00:08:45 whatever they could carry. People froze. People starved. People died on the march. And the state that had ordered their extermination watched them go without a shred of remorse. They regrouped in Illinois on the banks of the Mississippi River, where they built the city of Navu. And for a few years, Navu became something remarkable. At its peak, it was one of the largest cities in Illinois, rivaling Chicago and population. The saints drained the swamps, laid out streets, built homes and businesses, and constructed a magnificent temple on the bluff overlooking the river. They had their own militia, their own courts, a city charter that gave them significant autonomy.
Starting point is 00:09:26 For the first time since the church is founding, the saints had real power, real security, or so they thought. But the tensions that had followed them from Ohio to Missouri followed them to Illinois, too. Navu's political influence alarmed state politicians. Rumors about plural marriage, which Smith was practicing privately, generated scandal. Internal dissent led to the establishment of a rival newspaper, the Navu expositor, whose editors published a single issue exposing what they called Smith's abuses of power. Smith as mayor ordered the press destroyed.
Starting point is 00:10:04 That act, the suppression of a newspaper, was the spark that lit the final fire. Smith was arrested and jailed in Carthage, Illinois, along with his brother Hiram and two other associates. On June 27, 1844, a mob of roughly 200 men, their faces blackened with wet gunpowder, stormed the Carthage jail. They shot Hiram first, killing him almost instantly. Joseph tried to defend himself. He had a small pepperbox pistol that had been smuggled in
Starting point is 00:10:34 and fired several shots before he was hit multiple times. He fell from the second-story window and died on the ground below. The founder of the faith. The man his followers believed was God's chosen prophet, murdered by a mob while in state custody. And once again, no one was meaningfully held.
Starting point is 00:10:53 held accountable. Five men were eventually tried for the killing and all five were acquitted. Think about that for a moment. The founder of your faith, the man you believe spoke with God, is dragged to jail on trumped up charges and then murdered by a mob while the state does nothing. Your people have been beaten, robbed, raped, expelled and killed, and no one in authority has lifted a finger to help. Every time you build something, it gets taken from you. Every time you try to live peacefully, someone shows up with a torch. That's the emotional backdrop of the Mormon migration to Utah. When Brigham Young led the Saints West in 1846 and 1847, they weren't just looking for land. They were looking for a place where no one could reach them, a place where they could finally be left
Starting point is 00:11:41 alone, where they could build their Zion without the constant threat of annihilation. And for about a decade, that's more or less what they got. The Utah territory was remote, harsh, and unforgiving, but it was theirs. Brigham Young became the territorial governor, appointed by President Millard Fillmore in 1850. The church and the state were, for all practical purposes, the same thing. Young was prophet, governor, and the dominant figure in every aspect of territorial life. He controlled the land distribution, the militia, the courts, the economy. The economy. The economy. If you lived in Utah in the 1850s, Brigham Young's word wasn't just important. It was law. Spiritual law and civil law. Fused together so tightly you couldn't tell where one ended and the other began.
Starting point is 00:12:31 And that's a problem. Not because Young was uniquely evil. He wasn't. But because that kind of absolute authority, no matter who holds it, creates conditions where terrible things become possible. When one person is profit, governor, and commander of the militia, there's no check on power, no independent judiciary, no free press, no competing centers of authority, just one voice and a population that's been conditioned by years of suffering to follow that voice without question. This is important. I'm not trying to vilify Brigham Young specifically. I'm trying to describe a structural reality. When you concentrate that much power in one person's hands, and when the population around that person has been through the kind of trauma of the saints endured, you get a community that's primed for siege mentality.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Every external threat becomes existential. Every criticism becomes persecution. Every outsider becomes a potential enemy. And by 1857, the external threats were very real again. In the mid-1850s, relations between the Utah Territory, and the federal government began to deteriorate badly. Non-Morman federal appointees sent to Utah reported back to Washington with alarming stories. Associate Justice W.W. Drummond claimed that Young had ordered the destruction of court
Starting point is 00:13:54 records and threatened federal officers. Indian agent Garland Hurt reported that the Saints were arming native groups and that Young's control over the territory was absolute. Surveyor General David Burr alleged that his work had been deliberately sabotage. Some of these reports were exaggerated, colored by anti-Mormon prejudice or personal grievances. But the core claim that Young exercised near absolute control over the territory and had effectively nullified federal authority was basically accurate. By 1857, the political situation had reached a tipping point. President James Buchanan was already dealing with the crisis in Kansas over slavery,
Starting point is 00:14:36 and he couldn't afford to look weak on another territorial front. When reports from Utah painted a picture of open rebellion against federal authority, Buchanan decided to act. He appointed Alfred Cumming of Georgia as the new governor, replacing Young, and he sent an army of roughly 2,500 troops under the command of Colonel Albert Sidney Johnston to escort coming to Utah and enforce federal authority. Stay tuned for more disturbing history. We'll be back after these messages. This was the so-called Utah War. Although calling it a war is generous. It was really a political confrontation backed by military force.
Starting point is 00:15:19 No major battles were ever fought, and the whole thing was eventually resolved through negotiation. But here's what matters. The Saints didn't know. That's how it would end. From their perspective, in the summer of 1857, the United States government was sending an army to destroy them. Again, just like Missouri. Just like Illinois. The pattern they'd lived through was really.
Starting point is 00:15:42 repeating itself, and this time it was the federal government coming for them with professional soldiers. The fear was compounded by the fact that Buchanan didn't bother to notify Young that he'd been replaced as governor. The army just started marching. From Salt Lake City, it looked exactly like what the Saints had been dreading for years, an armed invasion with no warning and no explanation. Brigham Young declared martial law on September 15, 1857. He called up the territory militia, known as the Navu Legion. He sent scouts and raiding parties to harass the approaching army, burning supply wagons and driving off livestock to slow Johnston's advance. And he delivered a series of sermons that, even by the standards of the time, were incendiary. He told the saints to
Starting point is 00:16:31 prepare for total war. He invoked the doctrine of blood atonement, the idea that some sins were so grievous that only the shedding of the sinner's own blood could atone for them. He spoke of enemies within and without. He explicitly referenced the Mormon experience in Missouri and Illinois, stoking the collective memory of persecution into a white-hot fury. I say rather than the soldiers shall come, young declared in one sermon, every man, woman, and child will leave these valleys, and we will burn every building and lay waste to every field.
Starting point is 00:17:06 This wasn't bluster. The saints were genuinely prepared to enact a scorched earth retreat if necessary. They'd done it before, abandoning Nauvu with its magnificent temple still standing. They do it again. Now, Blood Atonement is a complicated and deeply contested concept in LDS history. Some scholars argue it was mostly rhetorical, a way of emphasizing the seriousness of sin, of shaking the spiritually complacent into recommitment. Others point to evidence that it was sometimes applied literally,
Starting point is 00:17:39 citing cases of individuals who were killed under circumstances that, suggest doctrinal justification. What's not disputed is that in 1856 and 1857, during what's known as the Mormon Reformation, church leaders preached with a ferocity and specificity that alarmed even some of their own members. The Reformation was a period of intense spiritual revival and enforcement. It began in late 1856, driven by Jedediah Grant, one of Young's counselors in the first presidency, who was known for his fiery oratory. Grant toward the settlements, demanding that members confess their sins, recommit to the faith, and submit to re-baptism as a sign of renewal.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Church leaders compiled catechism lists, detailed questionnaires about members' spiritual and moral behavior, and used the answers to identify those who were insufficiently devoted. The rhetoric of the Reformation was saturated with violence. sermons described the shedding of blood as an act of mercy toward the sinner. Grant himself reportedly declared that some sinner's throats should be cut to save their souls. Even accounting for the overheated language of frontier preaching, the Reformation created an atmosphere in which violence against perceived enemies,
Starting point is 00:18:57 internal or external, was not just tolerated, but theologically justified. I want you to hold all of that in your mind at once. An entire community, already traumatized by decades of persecution, now convinced that the Federal Army is coming to finish what the mobs in Missouri started. Their prophet is telling them to prepare for the worst. Their local leaders are preaching blood atonement and demanding absolute loyalty. The Reformation has turned every settlement into a crucible of spiritual intensity, where doubt equals disloyalty and disloyalty equals apostasy,
Starting point is 00:19:32 and apostasy deserves death. And into this pressure cooker, in the late summer of 1857, rolls a wagon train from Arkansas. The wagon train that arrived in Utah in the late summer of 1857 was known as the Fancher-Baker party, named after two of its leaders, Alexander Fancher and John T. Baker. It was a large, prosperous group, somewhere between 140 and 150 people, depending on whose count you trust. They were families mostly, farmers, merchants. skilled tradespeople. People heading to California where the gold rush had matured from a frenzy into a steady draw for settlers looking for new lives in the West. They had good livestock,
Starting point is 00:20:16 reportedly around a thousand head of cattle and several hundred horses, which made them conspicuous and, in a territory preparing for siege, deeply tempting. They had money. They had well-provisioned wagons, and they were from Arkansas, which mattered for a very specific and very unfortunate reasoned reason. In 1857, a prominent Mormon apostle named Parley P. Pratt had been murdered in Arkansas. Pratt was one of the original members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, one of the most prolific writers and missionaries in the early church, and a genuinely beloved figure. He'd been killed on May 13, 1857 in Van Buren, Arkansas by Hector McLean, the estranged husband of a woman named Eleanor who'd converted to Mormonism and become Pratt's 12th plural wife. McLean had tracked
Starting point is 00:21:06 Pratt across several states and stabbed him repeatedly before shooting him. The killing happened just a few months before the Fancher Party arrived in Utah. The news hit the Mormon community like a body blow. Pratt was a martyr and the state he was killed in. The state that had produced his killer and in the eyes of many saints failed to deliver justice was Arkansas. There's no evidence that anyone and the Fancher party had any connection to Pratt's murder, none at all. But in the overheated atmosphere of 1857, that distinction didn't matter. Arkansas was where Pratt had been killed. These people were from Arkansas. In the logic of collective guilt, the same logic that had been used against the saints themselves in Missouri and Illinois, that was enough. So when a large, wealthy wagon train
Starting point is 00:21:55 from Arkansas rolled into Utah during the most paranoid, militarized summer in the territory, history, it was stepping into a minefield that no one in the party could have possibly understood. They didn't know about the Reformation. They didn't know about the approaching army. They didn't know about Pratt's murder and the grief and fury it had stirred. They were just families trying to get to California. They had no idea they'd wandered into the crosshairs of a community teetering on the edge of violent crisis. The Fancher Party moved south through Utah, heading for the southern route to California through present-day Las Vegas and across the Mojave Desert. As they traveled, they found it increasingly difficult to buy supplies.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Local bishops, acting on instructions that had filtered down through the church hierarchy, refused to sell grain, livestock, or provisions to the immigrants. This wasn't just informal reluctance. It was official policy. Brigham Young himself had instructed the saints not to trade with outsiders, partly to conserve resources for the anticipated conflict with the Federal Army and partly to assert control over the territory's economic life. For the Fancher Party, this was more than an inconvenience.
Starting point is 00:23:08 They were traveling with livestock that needed to graze and drink. They had families that needed to eat, and settlement after settlement was turning them away. The frustration must have been enormous. Some accounts suggest that members of the train became openly antagonistic, that they made threats against the saints, poisoned a spring near Corn Creek that killed several cattle, or boasted about having participated in the violence against Mormons in Missouri. One particularly persistent claim alleged that someone in the party possessed the gun that had killed Joseph Smith.
Starting point is 00:23:43 These claims have been repeated for over a century and a half, and they deserve scrutiny. Historians who've investigated them, particularly Juanita Brooks and Will Bagley, have found very little contemporaneous evidence to support most of them. The poisoning story, for example, was never substantiated and appears to have originated after the massacre as part of the effort to portray the immigrants as villains. The claim about the gun that killed Joseph Smith is almost certainly fiction. Some of the allegations may contain grains of truth. Frontier travelers weren't always diplomatic,
Starting point is 00:24:17 and the mounting frustration of being denied supplies could certainly have led to angry words. but the stories were exaggerated far beyond recognition in the retelling, carefully shaped to make the victims look like aggressors. This is a pattern you see again and again in the aftermath of atrocities. The perpetrators construct a narrative in which the victims provoked their own destruction. They become retroactive villains, their words and actions inflated and distorted until the killing starts to look, if not justified, then at least understandable.
Starting point is 00:24:51 It's a form of more. laundry, and it's one of the oldest tricks in the book. What's clear, regardless of how the immigrants behaved, is that by the time the Fancher Party reached the area around Cedar City, in early September 1857, local Mormon leaders had already decided that the immigrants were a problem that needed to be dealt with. And in southern Utah, the person who mattered most wasn't Brigham Young, who was 250 miles away in Salt Lake City.
Starting point is 00:25:20 It was a cluster of local church and militia, leaders, men like Isaac Haight, the stake president and militia major in Cedar City, John Higby, a militia officer and ecclesiastical leader, and William Dame, the militia colonel for the Iron Military District. These men held both ecclesiastical and military authority in the region. In the the theocratic structure of territorial Utah, those roles were functionally inseparable. The same man who presided over your Sunday worship also commanded your militia unit. spiritual obedience and military obedience flowed through the same chain of command and among them
Starting point is 00:25:58 the figure who would become most central to the massacre and ultimately its only sacrificial offering to justice was a man named John D. Lee. Lee was a complicated figure. Born in Illinois in 1812, he'd converted to Mormonism as a young man and had been with the church through nearly every crisis. He'd been at Hans Mill. He'd helped build Navu. He'd made the train. He'd made the to Utah. He was a major in the Navu Legion, a prominent figure in the southern settlements, and a man who'd been formerly adopted by Brigham Young as a son, a practice, now discontinued, that created binding spiritual and familial relationships between church leaders and their most loyal followers. Lee had multiple wives, extensive land holdings, and a reputation as a capable,
Starting point is 00:26:46 if sometimes difficult, leader. He was also the church's primary liaison with the Southern Paiyewuels. Indians in the region. He'd lived near them, traded with them, learned their language to some degree, and cultivated relationships that gave him significant influence over local bands. In the context of September 1857, this role would prove critical. Mountain Meadows sits in a wide valley in Washington County, Utah, about 35 miles north of present-day St. George. In September 1857, it was a natural stopping point for immigrant trains heading south toward the Old Spanish Trail to California. The valley is rimmed by low rolling hills covered in scrub and juniper.
Starting point is 00:27:29 A spring feeds a small creek that winds through the bottom land. Good water, good grass. A place to rest the livestock before the long, brutal crossing of the Mojave Desert. The Fancher Party reached mountain meadows around the 1st of September and made camp in the southern end of the valley. They didn't know it, but their fate was already being discussed in urgent, heated meeting behind closed doors in Cedar City, 30 miles to the northeast. The decision-making process that led to the massacre has been painstakingly reconstructed by historians,
Starting point is 00:28:03 and while the exact sequence of events is still debated, the broad contours are well-established. Isaac Haight and other leaders in Cedar City held a series of councils in the days before the attack. Some participants later testified that voices were raised on both sides, that some men argued for letting the immigrants, pass, while others insisted that the party posed a threat that couldn't be ignored. The pro-attack faction won. A decision was made to recruit Paiute warriors and use them as the visible face of the assault, so that the massacre could be blamed on Indians. What happened over the next several days has been reconstructed from trial testimony, affidavits, journals, and the
Starting point is 00:28:45 accounts of survivors, all of them children at the time, most under the age of five, too young to comprehend what they were witnessing. The details that follow are drawn from those sources and while they differ on minor points, the broad outline is well established and deeply horrifying. On Monday, September 7th, 1857, the wagon train was attacked at dawn. The attackers were a combination of local Mormon militia members from the Iron County and Washington County militias and Paiute Indians who'd been recruited by John D. Lee and other leaders. The initial assault was designed to look like an Indian raid. The white participants had painted their faces and were wearing clothing
Starting point is 00:29:27 intended to disguise their identity. But the immigrants weren't helpless. These were frontier families, armed and experienced. Many of the men were veterans of the Mexican-American War or had grown up on the frontier. They knew what an attack looked like, and they responded with practiced efficiency. They circled their wagons, dug shallow rifle pits in the sandy soil, and fought back hard. The initial attack failed to overwhelm them. Several immigrants were killed or wounded in the first assault. Estimates range from 7 to 15, but the defenders held their ground. They also killed at least two of the attackers.
Starting point is 00:30:05 Stay tuned for more disturbing history. We'll be back after these messages. And this is where the situation shifted from an atrocity to a catastrophe of a completely different order. The attackers had a problem they hadn't anticipated. During the fighting, the immigrants had gotten a, a clear look at some of the white participants. They'd seen painted faces washing off in the chaos. They'd heard English being shouted. Some accounts suggest they recognized individual settlers from
Starting point is 00:30:36 the towns they'd pass through. If the party was allowed to continue to California, they would report what had happened. They'd report that Mormons had attacked them disguised as Indians. And with a federal army already marching toward Utah, that report wouldn't just be embarrassing. It would be catastrophic. The killing had created its own logic, a logic that, once set in motion, led to only one conclusion. The only way to keep the secret was to make sure no one survived to tell it. That calculation, cold, pragmatic, terrifying in its clarity, is what turned a botched raid into a planned extermination. For the next four days, a siege played out in the valley.
Starting point is 00:31:20 The immigrants were pinned down behind their wagons and rifle pits, running low on water because the attackers controlled the spring. Their wounded were suffering without medical care. At least one attempt to send riders for help was intercepted. The militia reinforced its positions on the surrounding hills. Messengers rode frantically between Mountain Meadows, Cedar City, and other settlements. According to some accounts, a message was even sent to Brigham Young in Salt Lake, though whether it arrived before the final attack and what Young's response was, if any, remains one of the most bitterly contested questions in the entire affair. During those four days of siege, the local leaders debated what to do. The arguments must have
Starting point is 00:32:03 been agonizing, at least for some of the men involved. They were being asked to make a decision that would define them forever. Some voices apparently argued for letting the immigrants go, even if it meant exposure. Others insisted that the secret couldn't be allowed to get out, that the survival of the community depended on silence. That God's kingdom was at stake, and individual lives, even innocent lives, were secondary to the preservation of Zion. In the end, the hardliners won. The decision was made to finish it, and the method they chose reveals something profoundly disturbing about the intersection of religious authority and military violence. On Friday, September 11, 1857, John D. Lee walked into the immigrant camp under a white flag.
Starting point is 00:32:51 The universal symbol of truce, of negotiation, of good faith. Lee told the besieged immigrants that he'd negotiated a deal with the Indians. If the immigrants surrendered their weapons, the militia would escort them safely back to Cedar City. The Indians would be satisfied, and everyone would live. The immigrants were exhausted, wounded, dying of thirst. They had children. They had no good options. After some discussion, they agreed. Here's what happened next, and I need you to brace yourself, because this is one of the hardest
Starting point is 00:33:25 things I've ever had to narrate on this show. The immigrants were separated into three groups. The wounded and youngest children were placed in wagons at the front of the column. The women and older children walked behind. The men walked at the rear, each one accompanied by a militia man at his side. They walked for about a mile, maybe a mile and a half, just long enough to spread the groups out so they couldn't help each other. Then someone gave the command. The accounts differ on who shouted it, but the most common version is that the order was, halt, do your duty. And at that signal, each militiamen turned and shot the man walking beside him. At the same time, other militia members and Paiute warriors emerged from the brush and fell on the
Starting point is 00:34:09 women and older children. The killing was fast, frenzied, and thorough. Men were shot at point-blank range. Women were clubbed and stabbed. Children old enough to potentially, identify their attackers were killed alongside their parents. The slaughter lasted minutes. When it was over, somewhere between 120 and 140 people were dead. The exact number has never been precisely established. The youngest victim whose age is known was about seven years old. The oldest was in their 70s. 17 children survived. All of them were under the age of seven. Young enough, the killers judged, that they wouldn't be able to remember or identify what had happened. These children were taken to local Mormon families, where they were raised under assumed identities.
Starting point is 00:34:57 Their parents' belongings, clothing, jewelry, livestock, wagons, were distributed among the attackers and the community. Church records suggest that some of the plundered property was tithed. The belongings of the murdered were treated as spoils, and a portion was given to the church. What happened in the days and weeks after the massacre is almost as disturbing as the massacre itself, because it reveals just how quickly and how completely an institution can mobilize to protect itself. The first priority was the cover story. The official narrative pushed by church and militia leaders from the very beginning was that the massacre had been committed entirely by Paiute Indians.
Starting point is 00:35:38 The immigrants had provoked the Indians the story went, by poisoning water sources and generally behaving badly. The Indians had attacked. The Mormons had arrived too late to stop it. tragic certainly, but nothing to do with the saints. This was, of course, a lie. And it was a lie that required an enormous amount of coordination to maintain. The Paiute had been involved, yes, but they'd been recruited and directed by the militia.
Starting point is 00:36:05 The planning, the siege, the white flag deception, the systematic killing. All of it was organized and carried out by Mormon men under the direction of local church and militia leaders. But the lie held for years. It held because the people who knew the truth were either complicit in the killing, afraid to speak, or dead. It held because Utah was geographically isolated. It held because the Utah War gave Brigham Young and the church hierarchy a ready-made excuse to restrict access to the territory
Starting point is 00:36:37 and control the flow of information. And it held because Brigham Young chose to let it hold. This is the point where the debate gets most heated and where I need to be careful about what we know versus what we're. we suspect. The question of Brigham Young's direct involvement in the massacre has been argued about for over a century and a half, and it still hasn't been definitively resolved. Here's what we know. Young was aware that the Fancher Party was in Utah and had issued general instructions not to trade with immigrant trains. He was aware of the heightened tensions with the federal government.
Starting point is 00:37:12 He was the commander of the Nauvue Legion, the militia whose local units carried out the massacre. He had been preaching war and blood atonement for months. What we don't know, or at least can't prove with certainty, is whether Young specifically ordered the massacre or learned about it only after the fact. A message was reportedly sent from the southern settlements to Young seeking guidance before the final attack. But the traditional account holds that Young's reply,
Starting point is 00:37:39 which allegedly said to let the immigrants pass, arrived two days too late. That account has been challenged by some his testimony. historians who argue that the timing doesn't add up, that a writer could have made the journey faster than claimed, or that Young's let them pass message was crafted after the fact as a paper trail. Others defend the traditional timeline and argue that the massacre was a local decision made by local leaders who exceeded their authority. But here's what's not in dispute. After the massacre, Brigham Young knew what had happened. He knew who was responsible, and for 20 years,
Starting point is 00:38:15 he did essentially nothing about it. He didn't excommunicate the participants. He didn't turn them over to federal authorities. He didn't publicly condemn the killing. What he did was maintain the fiction that Indians were responsible, obstruct outside investigations, and quietly ensure that the men who'd carried out the massacre remained in good standing within the church.
Starting point is 00:38:38 This is the institutional failure that elevates mountain meadows from a terrible frontier atrocity to something much more significant. The massacre itself was the work of maybe 50 to 60 men, acting in a specific moment of fear and zealotry. But the cover-up was the work of the institution, of the church hierarchy, and it lasted for decades. I want to go back to the 17 children for a moment, because their story is one of the most gut-wrenching elements of this whole affair, and it's often treated as a footnote when it should be at the center. These kids, toddlers, some of them, the oldest around the same, the oldest around the same, is the same, six or seven were pulled from the carnage and gathered up by the same men who had just killed their
Starting point is 00:39:20 parents. Some were literally taken from the arms of their dying mothers. They were covered in blood. They were screaming. And the men who'd done the killing looked at these children and made a calculation. These ones are too young to remember, too young to testify. They can live. That calculation was itself an act of monstrous pragmatism. It wasn't mercy. It was risk assessment. The children were spared not because the killers felt compassion, but because they judged. Correctly, for the most part, that children under seven wouldn't be able to identify their attackers or coherently describe what had happened. The surviving children were distributed among local Mormon families. They were given new names in some cases. They were told their parents had
Starting point is 00:40:07 been killed by Indians. The families that took them in appear to have treated them with varying degrees of care. Some accounts suggest genuine affection. Others suggest the children were treated as unwelcome burdens, mouths to feed in a community that was already straining under the pressures of isolation and the approaching army. Meanwhile, the children's own possessions, clothing, toys, the small personal effects that families traveling across the continent would have carried, were distributed along with the rest of the plundered property. There are accounts of local women wearing dresses that had belonged to the murdered immigrant women, of children playing with toys that had been taken from the wagons.
Starting point is 00:40:48 The material remnants of the dead circulated through the community like any other goods, normalized by repetition and proximity. Church records from the period suggest that a portion of the property seized from the immigrants was tithed, contributed to the church as a religious offering. Livestock, equipment, and supplies were cataloged and distributed through the same channels that handled any community resource. The administrative normalcy of the process is one of the most chilling aspects of the whole affair, the bureaucracy of plunder.
Starting point is 00:41:21 Meanwhile, back in Arkansas, the families of the dead were desperate for information. They knew the Fancher Party had entered Utah. They knew it had never arrived in California. Rumors filtered eastward, contradictory and incomplete. Some reports said the train had been attacked by Indians. Others hinted at Mormon involvement. The families wrote letters, petitioned their congressman, begged for answers. But Utah was far away.
Starting point is 00:41:48 Communication was slow, and the territorial government was actively working to prevent the truth from getting out. It took two years for the federal government to mount a meaningful response. In 1859, Army Brevet Major James Henry Carlton led a detachment of troops to Mountain Meadows to investigate. What they found was beyond anything they'd been prepared for. The valley was still littered with human remains, bones, clothing, fragments of hair, scattered across the meadow and partially exposed by weather, erosion, and scavenging animals. The remains had been lying in the open for nearly two years. Wolves and coyotes had been at them.
Starting point is 00:42:29 The site reportedly left hardened soldiers physically sick. Carlton's men gathered what remains they could and built a rough stone, cairn over the burial site, topped with a wooden cross and a cedar slab inscribed with a passage from Romans. Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord. They also erected a larger cairn with the inscription. Here 120 men, women and children were massacred in cold blood early in September 1857. They were from Arkansas. There's a story, disputed but widely repeated by multiple sources, that Brigham Young visited the cairn sometime around 1861, and upon reading the inscription from Romans,
Starting point is 00:43:10 replied with something to the effect of, Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord, I have repaid. He then allegedly ordered the cairn torn down. Whether that specific exchange happened exactly as reported is uncertain, but the cairn was destroyed and rebuilt and destroyed again, multiple times over the following years. Carlton also tracked down the surviving children, still living with Mormon families in the southern settlements. He arranged for their recovery and returned to Arkansas.
Starting point is 00:43:40 This process was neither quick nor simple. Some of the foster families were reluctant to give the children up. Others demanded compensation for the cost of raising them. The federal government eventually paid out small sums to secure the children's release, essentially ransoming kidnapped orphans from the families of their parents' killers. In 1859, the children were returned to relatives in Arkansas. The youngest had been among strangers for two years. Some were old enough to have formed attachments to their foster families,
Starting point is 00:44:11 but too young to understand why they were being taken away again. Some didn't recognize the relatives who came to claim them. The psychological damage, the layered trauma of witnessing violence, losing parents, being raised by strangers, and then being uprooted a second time, is almost impossible to calculate. The federal government eventually appropriated about $2,900 to care for the surviving children, a sum that was inadequate even by the standards of 1860.
Starting point is 00:44:41 The children were scattered among various relatives across Arkansas and neighboring states. Some thrived, as much as anyone could under those circumstances. Others struggled with the weight of what they carried, even when they couldn't fully articulate what that weight was. Stay tuned for more disturbing history. We'll be back after these messages. For nearly two decades after the massacre, no one was held accountable.
Starting point is 00:45:09 The reasons for this failure of justice are multiple and intertwined, and they reveal as much about territorial Utah as the massacre itself. Federal investigations were launched, but they were obstructed at every turn. Witnesses couldn't be found or refused to talk. Documents went missing.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Mormon jurors refused to indict. The territorial courts, which were controlled, by church-appointed judges were openly hostile to outside investigators. Federal marshals who tried to serve warrants found themselves isolated in a territory where every settlement was, in effect, a church outpost. There was nowhere to go where Brigham Young's influence didn't reach. The Civil War, which consumed the nation's attention from 1861 to 1865, provided a convenient interval during which Mountain Meadows faded from the national consciousness. The federal government had larger concerns than an atrocity in a remote territory,
Starting point is 00:46:06 and the political pressure to investigate evaporated for half a decade. But the truth was leaking, slowly, reluctantly, painfully, through the testimony of participants who could no longer live with what they'd done. Some broke ranks in private confessions to family members. Others began talking to journalists and investigators, particularly as the decades wore on, and the intensity of the Reformation-era loyalty began to fade. The most important of these reluctant witnesses were the participants themselves,
Starting point is 00:46:38 men who'd stood in that meadow and pulled the trigger, and who could feel the weight of it crushing them year by year. Juanita Brooks, the LDS historian who published the first honest account of the massacre in 1950, documented the psychological toll on the participants. Many of them struggled with alcoholism, depression, and what we'd now recognize as post-traumatic stress. Some withdrew from regular society. Others swung between periods of apparent normalcy
Starting point is 00:47:06 and episodes of intense guilt. A few attempted to confess publicly, but were silenced by church leaders who understood that any individual confession threatened the collective narrative. The broader political landscape shifted too. As Utah pursued statehood, a goal that required demonstrating to Congress
Starting point is 00:47:26 that the territory could govern itself according to American legal norms. The unresolved business of Mountain Meadows became an increasingly awkward liability. The massacre was the skeleton in Utah's closet, and everyone in Washington knew it was there. In 1874, John D. Lee was finally indicted for murder. The indictment came after years of pressure from the families of the victims, from federal investigators, and from a changing political calculus within the church itself. His first trial held in 1875 ended in a hung jury, and the split was revealing. The Mormon jurors voted unanimously to acquit.
Starting point is 00:48:06 The non-Morman jurors voted unanimously to convict. The verdict didn't fall along the facts. It fell along identity, which tells you everything you need to know about the state of justice in Utah at the time. A second trial was held in September 1876, and this time the outcome was different. Lee was convicted of first-degree murder, but the difference between the two trials wasn't a sudden discovery of new evidence or a change of heart among the jurors. The difference was that the church had withdrawn its protection. Between the first and second trials, a significant shift had occurred within the LDS hierarchy. Brigham Young, under increasing political pressure and acutely aware that Utah's bid for statehood depended on distancing the church from the massacre, had made a decision.
Starting point is 00:48:54 Lee would be the sacrifice. The institution needed to offer a body to the demands of justice. Not too many bodies, not the wrong bodies, but one body. Someone visible enough to satisfy the public, but expendable enough that his fall wouldn't threaten the leadership structure. Lee was excommunicated from the church in 1870, four years before his indictment. Church witnesses who had previously been unwilling to testify were now permitted, or more accurately, instructed, to speak against him. The same institutional apparatus that had shielded Lee for nearly two decades now turned on him with the same precision and coordination. He was being
Starting point is 00:49:36 offered up, and he knew it. Lee was sentenced to death. Under Utah territorial law, he was given the choice of hanging, beheading, or firing squad. He chose the firing squad. On March 23rd, 1877, John D. Lee was taken to Mountain Meadows, the actual site of the massacre, the place where he'd walked under a white flag 20 years earlier and executed. He was seated on the edge of his own coffin, positioned on the spot where, according to some accounts, the women and older children had been killed. A photographer captured the scene. Five riflemen stood ready. Lee spoke briefly, maintaining his composure with a dignity that even his enemies acknowledged. I have been sacrificed in a cowardly, dastardly manner, he said. He also expressed his faith, said he bore no ill will toward those present,
Starting point is 00:50:30 and asked that his body be sent to his family. The rifles fired. Lee slumped forward. He died within minutes. He wasn't wrong about being sacrificed. Lee had been involved in the massacre. He'd participated directly. He'd walked into that camp under the white flag.
Starting point is 00:50:48 He bore genuine individual guilt for what he was. what happened that day. But he was not the only guilty man. He wasn't even the most culpable. Isaac Haight, who as stake president had presided over the councils that decided on the massacre, was excommunicated, but never tried. He was later quietly rebaptized. William Dame, the militia colonel who'd authorized the attack, lived out his days as a free man and died in 1884 without ever facing a courtroom. John Higby, who by many accounts gave the actual order to fight, was indicted but never arrested. He died in 1904. These men lived and died in their communities, attended church, raised their families, and were buried with whatever measure of peace they could find.
Starting point is 00:51:33 The system needed a body, and it offered up the man who was most useful to sacrifice. Not the most guilty, the most expendable. And Brigham Young, the man who'd built the pressure cooker, who'd created the military and theological conditions that made the massacre possible, who'd fostered the siege mentality and preached the doctrines that gave the killers their justification, who'd overseen the cover-up for two full decades. Brigham Young died in his bed in Salt Lake City on August 29, 1877, five months after Lee's execution. He was 76 years old. He died surrounded by family, having never faced a single legal consequence for anything related to Mountain Meadows.
Starting point is 00:52:15 Lee was the scapegoat. The word has biblical origins of course. The goat that bears the sins of the community and is driven into the wilderness so that everyone else can feel clean. Lee bore the sins of Mountain Meadows into the wilderness of the firing squad, and the institution that had shaped him, used him, and ultimately discarded him, walked away with its hands metaphorically washed. This is where I want to step back from the chronology and talk about something bigger, because the Mountain Meadows massacre isn't just a story about what happened in a valley in 1857.
Starting point is 00:52:50 It's a story about how institutions handle their own sins. And on that front, the response of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints offers one of the most instructive case studies in American history. For more than a century after the massacre, the institutional
Starting point is 00:53:05 response followed a predictable pattern. First, denial, then minimization, then deflection, then carefully calibrated partial acknowledgement designed to appear forthcoming while still protecting the core narrative. The denial phase lasted longest.
Starting point is 00:53:22 For decades, the official position was that the Paiute were responsible and that Mormon involvement was either non-existent or limited to a few rogue individuals acting without authorization. This narrative was maintained not just through silence, but through active suppression of evidence. Documents were withheld. Access to church archives was restricted. Historians who pursued the story faced insistence,
Starting point is 00:53:47 institutional resistance. The minimization phase overlapped with the denial. When the Mormon involvement became impossible to deny entirely, the narrative shifted to framing the massacre as the work of a few overzealous locals, Lee primarily, who'd acted without the knowledge or approval of church leadership. This was the bad apple defense, the same rhetorical move that institutions from the Catholic Church to the U.S. military have deployed when confronted with systemic failures. It's always a few individuals. It's never the system. The deflection phase involved contextualizing the massacre
Starting point is 00:54:25 within the broader history of Mormon persecution. The argument went something like this. Yes, something terrible happened, but you have to understand what the saints had been through. The mobs. The murders. The extermination order. The assassination of Joseph Smith.
Starting point is 00:54:42 The federal army bearing down on them. In this framing, Mountain Meadows becomes understanding almost inevitable, a tragic consequence of legitimate fears pushed to the breaking point. And there's truth in that context. The persecution was real. The fear was real. But there's a difference between understanding why something happened and excusing it. Context explains. It doesn't absolve. And the deflection to persecution history too often served not to illuminate the massacre, but to change the subject. Now let me be fair here.
Starting point is 00:55:15 The LDS Church has, in recent decades, moved toward greater acknowledgement of what happened at Mountain Meadows. In 1990, the church allowed a new memorial to be constructed at the site. In 1999, after a construction project unearthed previously undiscovered remains of victims, the church cooperated with forensic analysis and reburial. In 2007, on the 150th anniversary of the massacre, then Elder Henry B. airing of the Quarrow, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles delivered a statement at the site expressing profound regret for the massacre and acknowledging that local church leaders had participated in the planning and carrying out of the killings. That statement was significant. It marked the most direct official acknowledgment the
Starting point is 00:56:03 church had ever made. But critics noted what was absent. There was no apology. The language was profound regret, not we're sorry. The statement attributed to the statement attributed to the responsibility to local leaders, maintaining the institutional distance between the massacre and the church's central leadership. And Brigham Young's name was conspicuously absent from any discussion of responsibility. In 2008, the church posthumously reinstated John D. Lee's membership, a quiet acknowledgement, perhaps, that his excommunication had been an act of political expediency rather than genuine ecclesiastical judgment. But the reinstatement was done without fanfare, and its implications were never publicly explored.
Starting point is 00:56:48 This pattern, partial acknowledgement, carefully bounded, designed to contain rather than illuminate, is what I mean by the problem of sacred history. Every institution has a version of its own past that it protects. Governments do it. Corporations do it. Universities do it. But religious institutions face a unique version of this problem, because their authority rests on claims that go beyond the,
Starting point is 00:57:15 merely organizational. When a government admits to wrongdoing, it's embarrassing, but it doesn't threaten the foundational claim that government should exist. When a church admits to wrongdoing, particularly wrongdoing carried out in the name of the faith, by leaders acting in their official capacity, it touches something much deeper. If the prophet can be wrong, not just wrong in judgment, but complicit in mass murder, then what does that do to prophetic authority? If the institution can cover up a massacre for decades, what does that do to the claim that it's guided by divine inspiration? These aren't abstract questions. They're existential ones for a faith community, and it's entirely understandable that the institution would resist confronting them fully,
Starting point is 00:58:00 but understandable isn't the same as acceptable. And the cost of that resistance, to the descendants of the victims, to the integrity of the historical record, to the moral credibility of the institution itself, been enormous. I've spent a lot of this episode talking about the killers and the institution. I want to spend some time talking about the dead. The Fancher Baker Party was made up of real people. Families with names, with histories, with lives they were building and plans they were making. They weren't abstractions. They weren't symbols. They were people. Alexander Fancher was a prosperous cattle rancher from northwestern Arkansas. He'd made the trip to
Starting point is 00:58:41 California before, successfully, and he was leading this train with the confidence of experience. He was around 45 years old. He had a wife and children with him. The Baker family, there were several branches of them in the train, were solid, respectable farming people. Some of the men had served in the Mexican-American War. They were heading west for the same reason millions of Americans did in that era. The promise of better land, better opportunities, a fresh start. There were elderly people in the train. There were infants. There were teenagers just starting to figure out who they were going to be.
Starting point is 00:59:18 There were newlyweds. There were widows. There were children old enough to walk and children who had to be carried. When we talk about the massacre in institutional terms, as a failure of leadership, a product of siege mentality, a case study and cover-up, it's easy to lose sight of the basic human reality of what happened. These people were lured out of their defensive position
Starting point is 00:59:41 by a promise of safety. They surrendered their weapons in good faith, and then they were murdered. The men were shot at close range by men they'd been told were there to protect them. The women were attacked while trying to shield their children. The older children, kids
Starting point is 00:59:57 who might have been 10, 11, 12 years old, were killed because they were old enough to talk. Old enough to tell someone what happened. Stay tuned for more disturbing history. We'll be back after these messages. The killing was not done from a distance. It was intimate, physical, face to face. The killers could see the faces of the people they were killing. They could hear them scream. And afterward, the killers went home to their
Starting point is 01:00:26 families, attended church on Sunday, and told themselves that what they'd done was justified. Some of them apparently struggled with it. Some had nightmares for the rest of their lives, but the institutional framework they lived within provided them with the tools to rationalize, to suppress, to reframe the memory of that day into something they could live with. That's the real horror. Not just the killing, but the afterward. The way a community absorbs an atrocity and metabolizes it into silence. Mountain Meadows today is a quiet place.
Starting point is 01:01:01 It's still remote, still beautiful, still rimmed by the low hills that enclosed the valley where the massacre took place. The grass still grows thick in the lowlands. The sky is enormous. There are monuments now. A memorial was first established in 1932 by the state of Utah, but the most significant commemorative efforts have come in recent decades. In 1999, the construction project that unearthed remains led to a more thorough archaeological
Starting point is 01:01:29 investigation, and the site was formally designated a national historic landmark in 2011. The monuments matter. They matter because for more than a century, the site was essentially a, abandoned, a place the local community preferred not to acknowledge, and the broader public didn't know existed. The physical act of marking the ground, of naming the dead, of saying this happened here, is itself a form of historical reckoning. But monuments can also become substitutes for reckoning. A plaque on a stone isn't the same as an honest accounting. A wreath laid once a year isn't the same as integrating the full story into the institutional narrative and the risk with Mountain Meadows,
Starting point is 01:02:14 as with every side of historical atrocity, is that the memorial becomes the end point rather than the beginning, that the institution says, look, we built a monument, we expressed regret, we've dealt with it, and then the conversation ends. The descendants of the victims have pushed back against that impulse. Organizations like the Mountain Meadows massacre descendants have worked for decades to ensure that the story isn't sanitized or forgotten. They've advocated for fuller access to church records. They've challenged official narratives that minimize the role of church leadership. They've insisted that profound regret isn't the same as accountability. And they're right. Regret is an emotion. Accountability is an action. The two aren't interchangeable and
Starting point is 01:03:02 And substituting one for the other is itself a form of evasion. I said at the beginning of this episode that Mountain Meadows isn't just a Mormon story. It's an American story. And I want to close by talking about why. But first, there's a dimension of this story that too often gets lost, and it's one I feel compelled to address before we pull back to the larger picture. And that's the role of the southern piute, the piute who participated in the initial attack,
Starting point is 01:03:30 and the number who actually took part is debated, with estimates ranging from a few dozen to perhaps a hundred, were recruited by John D. Lee and other Mormon leaders who had cultivated relationships with local bands. They were promised plunder, cattle, horses, supplies from the wagon train. For people living on the margins of subsistence in the Great Basin, that was a powerful incentive. but the Paiute were also, in a very real sense, being used. They were used as cover for the initial attack so that the killing could be blamed on Indians. They were used as props in the cover story that was immediately constructed, and they bore the brunt of the reputational damage for decades,
Starting point is 01:04:12 as the official narrative insisted that they, not the Mormon militia, had been the primary perpetrators. For over a century, the Paiute carried the blame for a massacre that was planned, organized and executed under Mormon leadership. Their name was used to shield the institution. Their role was inflated while the militia's role was erased. In 2007, when the LDS Church issued its statement of regret at the 150th anniversary commemoration,
Starting point is 01:04:41 representatives of the Paiute were present. Their perspective deserves mention. They were victims of the cover-up too. Not in the same way as the murdered immigrants, obviously, but in the way that their people's reputation was deliberately sacrificed to protect someone else's secret. That's a particular kind of injustice, and it lingered for generations. Now, to the larger patterns. The institutional behavior we see at Mountain Meadows, atrocity, cover-up, scapegoating, reluctant partial acknowledgement,
Starting point is 01:05:13 is not unique to the LDS Church. It's a pattern that repeats across American history, across institutions, across ideological and denominational lines. And recognizing that pattern isn't about letting anyone off the hook. It's about understanding the structural forces that make this kind of thing possible, again and again. Think about the Catholic Church and the sexual abuse crisis. For decades, and in some cases, centuries,
Starting point is 01:05:42 the institutional response followed the same playbook. Deny, minimize, blame individuals, transfer the accused to new locations where they could offend again, protect the organization at all costs, express regret without accepting accountability, treat the victims as threats to be managed rather than people to be heard. The parallels aren't exact, but the underlying dynamic is the same.
Starting point is 01:06:08 Institutional self-preservation, overriding moral obligation. Think about the U.S. government and its treatment of Native Americans. Sand Creek in 1864, where Colorado militia volunteers slaughtered over 100 Cheyenne and Arapaho, many of them women and children, at a camp that was flying an American flag and a white flag of surrender. Wounded Knee in 1890, where the army killed somewhere between 150 and 300 Lakota, including women and children, and then awarded 20 medals of honor to the soldiers who did it. The Trail of Tears, the boarding schools.
Starting point is 01:06:44 atrocities carried out by agents of the state, covered up or minimized by the institution, gradually and reluctantly acknowledged decades or centuries later, always with language carefully calibrated to limit liability. Think about Tulsa in 1921, where a thriving black neighborhood called Greenwood, known as Black Wall Street, was burned to the ground by a white mob aided by local law enforcement. An estimated 300 people were killed. The survivors were rounded up and detained, and then the entire event was effectively erased from Tulsa's collective memory for 70 years. It was omitted from school curricula, absent from local histories, and suppressed so thoroughly that residents of Tulsa could grow up in the city without ever hearing about it.
Starting point is 01:07:33 Think about Tuskegee, where the federal government deliberately left black men untreated for syphilis for 40 years in order to study the progression of the disease. Think about Japanese-American internment, where 120,000 people were stripped of their homes, their businesses, and their freedom based on nothing but their ethnicity. Think about the lies that launched wars. Think about the classified documents and the sealed records and the stories that only came out when someone broke ranks or a journalist got lucky or a court-forced disclosure. In every case, the pattern is the same. The institution, whether it's a church, a government,
Starting point is 01:08:11 government, a corporation, or a community, prioritizes its own survival and reputation over the truth. It builds a narrative that protects the powerful and silences the victims. And it sustains that narrative for as long as it possibly can, yielding ground only when the pressure becomes impossible to resist. This is what I mean by the problem of sacred history. Not sacred in the religious sense necessarily, but sacred in the broader sense of narratives that a community treats as untouchable. Every group has them. Stories about its founding, its identity, its essential goodness, that function as articles of faith. And when historical evidence challenges those stories, the reaction is often the same. Circle the wagons, protect the narrative, treat the truth
Starting point is 01:09:01 tellers as enemies. The United States has its own sacred history, the shining city on on a hill, the land of the free, the great experiment in democracy. And that sacred history has enormous value. It's aspirational. It's motivating. It gives people a standard to strive toward. But it becomes dangerous when it's used to suppress the parts of the past that don't fit the narrative. When the shining city on the hill can't acknowledge that it was built, in part, on stolen land, with stolen labor, by people who sometimes did monstrous things. Mountain Meadows is a case study and what happens when sacred history runs up against profane reality. When the institution that's supposed to represent the highest ideals of a community
Starting point is 01:09:47 turns out to be capable of the worst acts. When the people who believe they're building Zion turn out to be capable of mass murder. And the lesson isn't that the institution is uniquely evil. The lesson is that every institution is capable of being evil. That the capacity for atrocity and the capacity, for covering up atrocity exist in every human organization, religious or secular, and that the only real defense against it is a willingness to confront the truth, even when, especially when, it's uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:10:22 I want to end with a thought about responsibility, not the responsibility of the killers, which is clear, or the responsibility of the institution, which is debatable, but significant. I'm talking about our responsibility, the people listening to this, the people who weren't there, who aren't members of any party to the event, who have no personal stake in how the story is told. We have a responsibility too. And it's simpler than you might think. We owe the dead the truth, not a sanitized version, not a politically calibrated version, not a version that protects anyone's institutional interests or avoids anyone's discomfort.
Starting point is 01:11:01 The truth. 120 people, give or take, were murdered in a valley in Utah on September 11th, 1857. They were murdered by men who had been radicalized by a combination of genuine persecution, apocalyptic theology, and institutional authoritarianism. They were murdered under a flag of truce after being promised safety. Their children were stolen. Their belongings were plundered. And then the people and institutions responsible spent the next century and a half trying to avoid accountability. That's the truth. It's not the whole truth. The whole truth would include the very real suffering the saints endured, the very real fear they felt in the summer of 1857,
Starting point is 01:11:45 the very real complexity of assigning individual responsibility in a situation shaped by systemic pressures. But it's the core of the truth, and any account of mountain meadows that flinches from it isn't history. It's public relations. I think about those 17 children sometimes, the ones who survived because they were too young to remember. except some of them did remember.
Starting point is 01:12:09 Fragments. Flashes. The sound of gunfire. The sight of blood. A mother's scream. They carried those fragments for the rest of their lives, embedded in their nervous systems like shrapnel. One of those children,
Starting point is 01:12:24 a girl named Sarah Francis Baker, was three years old when her parents were killed. She was raised by a Mormon family for two years before being returned to relatives in Arkansas. She grew up, married, had children of her own. But she never forgot. In later years, she told family members that she had memories,
Starting point is 01:12:44 dim, terrible, inarticulate memories of the day her parents died. Sarah Francis Baker didn't need a monument to remember Mountain Meadows. She lived with it every day. We owe her the truth. We owe all of them the truth. The men who were shot walking beside their escorts. The women who were cut down trying to protect their children.
Starting point is 01:13:05 The children who were old enough to know what was happening but too young to do anything about it and we owe it to ourselves too because a society that can't look at its own worst moments honestly is a society that's vulnerable to repeating them the same pressures that produced mountain meadows tribalism fear of the other dehumanization unchecked authority the elevation of group loyalty over individual conscience are still with us they're woven into the fabric of human nature and they don't disappear just because we stop talking about them. If anything, they get stronger. Mountain Meadows is quiet now. The monuments stand. The names of the dead are inscribed in stone. Visitors come mostly in summer and stand in the grass and
Starting point is 01:13:50 try to imagine what it was like. You can't, really. You can read the accounts, study the maps, walk the ground, and you still can't quite get there. The gap between knowing what happened and understanding what it felt like. For the victims, for the killers, for the the children is too wide to cross. But you can stand there and feel the weight of it, the wrongness of it. The way the valley holds the memory of what happened even after the bones have been gathered, and the stones have been set, and the words of regret have been spoken. History doesn't forgive, it doesn't forget. It just waits. It waits for someone to come along and tell the truth, even when the truth is terrible. Even when telling it makes powerful people uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:14:35 even when the institutions that should be reckoning with the past would rather move on. And it's worth saying this. The work of truth-telling about Mountain Meadows has been done in large part by members of the very community that committed the atrocity. Juanita Brooks, who published the first honest academic account in 1950, was a lifelong, devoted Latter-day Saint. She did her work knowing it would cost her, and it did. She was marginalized within the church.
Starting point is 01:15:05 Her career suffered. Her research was viewed with suspicion by the hierarchy, but she persisted because she understood something that institutions often struggle to accept. That honest reckoning with the past isn't an act of betrayal. It's an act of love. You can love your community and still insist that it faced the truth about what it's done. In fact, that insistence is one of the highest forms of love there is.
Starting point is 01:15:31 The descendants who've kept pressure on the church and the historical establishment, have done something similar. They've refused to let the story be sanitized or shelved. They've shown up at commemorations, testified before legislative bodies, written books and articles, and insisted, year after year, decade after decade,
Starting point is 01:15:51 that the dead deserve better than silence and euphemism. That persistence matters. It matters because the natural tendency of institutions is to wait out the grief, to let time do the work of forgetting, To assume that eventually the descendants will die off, the historians will move on, and the story will fade into the background noise of history. And sometimes that works.
Starting point is 01:16:16 Sometimes the waiting game succeeds. But when people refuse to forget, when they keep showing up and keep asking the hard questions, they make it impossible for the institution to simply run out the clock. This is disturbing history. And Mountain Meadows is a reminder of why this show exists, not to exploit suffering, not to score points against anyone's faith, but to say the thing that needs saying, as clearly and honestly as it can be said. 120 people were murdered in a valley in Utah in 1857. They deserved better. They deserved better
Starting point is 01:16:51 than the bullets and the blades. They deserved better than the cover-up and the silence. They deserved better than a century and a half of institutional evasion. They deserved the truth. And the least we can do, the very least, is give it to them now.

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