Disturbing History - Who Found America First: Columbus or the Vikings?

Episode Date: April 26, 2026

A thousand years before Christopher Columbus saw a light on a Bahamian beach, a small band of Norse settlers stood on the northern tip of Newfoundland, swinging iron axes against fir and juniper trees..., building sod houses that would still be visible in the grass nearly a thousand years later. We can name the year. We can name it down to a single twelve-month window.The year was ten twenty-one, and we know it because of a solar storm that struck the sun in the year nine hundred and ninety-three, leaving an invisible fingerprint in every tree growing on Earth that year. In this episode, we trace the long arc of who actually found America first, and the answer turns out to be more honest, more complicated, and more human than the version we got in school.From Erik the Red's exile out of Iceland, to his son Leif's voyage west, to the doomed colony at Vinland, to a Genoese sailor with a flawed map and an unshakable belief in himself, this is the story of how two halves of the world finally found each other again after fifteen thousand years apart. We dig into the sagas, the science, the forgeries, the discoveries, and the full weight of what it means to ask who got here first when there were already millions of people here when anyone arrived.The Norse beat Columbus by four hundred and seventy-one years. They left. The world didn't change. Then a different ship pointed west, and everything cracked open.Contact Brian at brian@paranormalworldproductions.com. Subscribe to the free newsletter and explore the full library of shows at paranormalworldproductions.com.Have a forgotten historical mystery, disturbing event, unsolved crime, or hidden conspiracy you think deserves investigation?Send your suggestions to brian@paranormalworldproductions.com.Disturbing History is a dark history podcast exploring unsolved mysteries, secret societies, historical conspiracies, lost civilizations, and the shadowy stories buried beneath the surface of the past.Follow the show and enable automatic downloads so you never miss a deep dive into history’s most unsettling secrets.Because sometimes the truth is darker than fiction.

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Starting point is 00:00:23 this is history they hoped you'd forget. I'm Brian, investigator, author, and your guide through the dark corner, of our collective memory. Each week I'll narrate some of the most chilling and little-known tales from history that will make you question everything you thought you knew.
Starting point is 00:00:41 And here's the twist. Sometimes, the history is disturbing to us. And sometimes, we have to disturb history itself, just to get to the truth. If you like your facts with the side of fear, if you're not afraid to pull at threads, others leave alone. You're in the right place.
Starting point is 00:00:58 History isn't just written by the victors. victors. Sometimes it's rewritten by the disturbed. There's a beach on the northernmost tip of Newfoundland where the wind never really stops. It comes off the straight of Bell Isle in long, cold breaths, the kind that find every gap in your coat and remind you that the ocean here doesn't care who you are. The grass grows in low, tough mats. The sea is gray more often than it's blue. And if you stand in the right spot, on a low rise above a shallow bay, you're standing on the only confirmed place in the entire Western Hemisphere where Europeans built houses, lit fires, forged iron, and slept under their own roofs nearly 500 years before Christopher
Starting point is 00:01:50 Columbus was even born. There's no monument that towers over you. No marble statue. No marching band of history coming down the road to tell you what you're looking at. Just sod outlines in the grass, long, low rectangles where walls used to be. A few reconstructed buildings put up by Parks, with smoke curling out of the roofs on cool mornings. And underneath all of it, in the dark earth, the remains of a small cluster of buildings that someone built lived in for a short time, then walked away from and never came back.
Starting point is 00:02:24 The people who lived there were Norse. We call them Vikings, though they wouldn't have called themselves that. They came from Greenland, which itself was a colony, settled by people who'd been pushed out of Iceland, which itself had been settled by people pushed out of Norway. They built a beachhead on the edge of a continent they didn't understand. They cut down trees. They cooked meals.
Starting point is 00:02:46 They mended boats. And then, for reasons we can argue about, but never really know, they left. That was sometime around the year 1021. We know that date now, with a kind of precision that almost feels indecent. We know it the way you know the day a relative was born, because three pieces of wood at that site carry an invisible scar. a fingerprint left by a solar storm that struck the sun in the year 993, and we can count the rings outward from that scar and land on a single year.
Starting point is 00:03:17 1021. That's the year three trees came down on the edge of North America at the hands of European steel. That is not a guess. That is not a saga. That is a measurement. 471 years later, give or take a season, three small ships sailed out of a Spanish port and pointed wet. The man in command was a Genoese sailor with an enormous belief in himself and a flawed map of the world inside his head.
Starting point is 00:03:45 He thought he was sailing to Asia. He thought he was a few weeks away from the spice coasts of India and the gold of the Great Khan. He was wrong about almost everything, and in being wrong, he changed the course of the entire human race. So here's the question. The one that history teachers fumble and bar arguments circle and textbooks half answer and quietly move past. Who found America first? Was it the man we celebrate every October? Or was it the people we almost forgot?
Starting point is 00:04:15 The answer is more interesting than either of those choices. And it's also more honest. Before we go any further, we have to set something straight. Because if we don't, the rest of this story is just a flag-waving contest between two groups of people who showed up centuries late. There were already people here. When Leif Erikson stepped off his long ship onto the shore of what he called, called Vinland. He was not stepping into an empty world. There were people in the woods.
Starting point is 00:04:43 There were people on the rivers. There were villages and trade routes and languages and stories and burial grounds and grandmothers and children. The continents we now call North and South America had been inhabited for somewhere between 15 and 20,000 years, and possibly considerably longer than that, depending on which archaeological site you trust and which scientist you ask. There were great cities. There were nations. There were astronomers in what's now Mexico, mapping the sky with a precision that embarrassed Europe. There were earthworks in the Mississippi Valley that rivaled the pyramids in scale. There were trade networks running from the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico, carrying copper and obsidian and shell and idea. Right around the same time, the Norse
Starting point is 00:05:29 were nailing together their longhouses in Newfoundland. A city in what's now southern Illinois was approaching its peak. We call the place Cahokia. The people who live there built earth and pyramids the size of small mountains. The largest of them, Monks Mound, covers more ground at its base than the great pyramid of Giza. The city itself was bigger than London at the time. There were neighborhoods. There were plazas. There were astronomical alignments built into the architecture. There was a society organized enough to feed tens of thousands of people in a single concentrated population. and it was already in motion when Leif's ship pulled into the bay. A few thousand miles south of that,
Starting point is 00:06:11 the Maya had spent a thousand years building stone cities in the rainforests of Central America, with libraries of books written in their own script, with mathematics that included the concept of zero before any European culture had it, with calendars that tracked time and cycles longer than the Roman Empire ever lasted. By the 11th century, the great classic Maya cities were already in decline,
Starting point is 00:06:33 But the people themselves were not. They were still there. They were still building, still riding, still calculating. Farther south in the Andes, the ancestors of the Inca were laying the groundwork for an empire that would eventually stretch the length of the western coast of South America. In the southwestern deserts of what's now the United States, the ancestral Puebloans were building stone cities into the cliffs. In the Pacific Northwest, the people of the long coast were carving seeded.
Starting point is 00:07:03 and harvesting salmon and developing some of the most sophisticated woodworking traditions in the world. The Iroquois Confederacy that would later teach lessons in federalism to Benjamin Franklin was in some form already gathering itself into being. This is the world the Norse arrived at the edge of. This is the world Columbus crashed into. They didn't come to a vacant lot. They came to a hemisphere that was full. And the simple language we use for what they did, the language of doesn't fit. Discovery is a word for what you do with an empty room. The Americas were never an empty room,
Starting point is 00:07:41 so when we ask who discovered America, we need to be honest about what we mean. Nobody discovered it. People found it. People walked here or paddled here or were carried here by the slow drift of something that happened thousands of generations before the word Viking ever existed.
Starting point is 00:07:58 The first humans to set foot on this hemisphere came across what's now the Bering Strait, or down the Pacific coast in small boats, or both. They came in waves. They spread out across two enormous continents. They built civilizations that lasted thousands of years. What we're really asking, when we ask about Columbus or the Vikings, is something narrower than discovery.
Starting point is 00:08:22 We're asking who connected the two halves of the world, who first sailed from one ocean-bound continent to another and brought the two into contact, however briefly, however violently, however accidentally. That's a real question. It's a smaller question than the one we usually ask, but it's a real one. And it has a real answer. The Norse got there first, not by a little, by centuries.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Let's start where their story actually begins, not in Newfoundland, not even in Greenland. Let's start in Iceland in the late 900s with a man named Eric. He had red hair and a temper to match, and he'd been kicked out of just about every place he'd ever. lived. Eric Thorvaldsen was the son of a man who'd been exiled from Norway for killing somebody. He came to Iceland looking for a fresh start, which lasted about as long as a fresh start tends to last for men with that particular family pattern. There was a dispute over some property. People died. Eric was banished from the Icelandic settlement for three years. Three years of nowhere to go, no homestead to return to, and a wife and children to think about. So he did something that,
Starting point is 00:09:33 By the standards of the time was either incredibly brave or incredibly foolish. He pointed his ship west and sailed into open ocean. There were rumors of land out there. A man named Gunburen had reported siding something on the horizon decades earlier, and another sailor had run aground on it more recently and limped home with stories. Eric decided to find out for himself. What he found was a coastline of black rock and ice, cliffs, glaciers. fjords cut so deep into the land that you could sail your long ship inside the island itself.
Starting point is 00:10:08 He spent his three years of exile mapping the place. He found pockets of green grass at the heads of those fjords, places where the summer sun warmed the soil long enough for sheep to graze and barley to grow. When his exile ended, he sailed back to Iceland with a sales pitch. He called the New Country Greenland. That was depending on your reading of the historical sources, either a piece of clever marketing or a genuine description of the parts he'd lived in. Probably both.
Starting point is 00:10:36 He needed colonists. He needed people to follow him out into the Atlantic and build a society on a frontier that was, by any reasonable measure, brutal. So he gave it a name that promised pasture and warmth, and he went door to door talking up the future. Around the year 985 or so, a fleet of 25 ships set out from Iceland, carrying somewhere between 400 and 700. people. Only 14 of those ships survived the crossing. The rest were lost to weather, to ice, to the unforgiving math of small wooden boats versus the North Atlantic. But 14 made it, and those 14 ships founded the Greenland colony, which would persist in the teeth of one of the harshest environments on earth for nearly 500 years. Eric built his estate at a place called
Starting point is 00:11:25 Bratelid on the inner reach of a fjord on Greenland's southwest coast. He had three sons who lived to adulthood. The middle one was a steady, observant young man named Leif. Now here's where the story gets interesting, because we have two written sources that tell us what happened next, and they don't agree on the details. The saga of the Greenlanders and the saga of Eric the Red were both written down in Iceland in the 13th century,
Starting point is 00:11:50 200 years or more after the events they describe. They were oral history finally committed to vellum. They tell the same broad story, but they disagree on who did what first, on names and roots and timelines. Like any oral tradition handed down through generations, they're true in the way memory is true. The shape of what happened is right. The fine details have been polished smooth by the long passage of telling.
Starting point is 00:12:17 According to the saga of the Greenlanders, the first European to lay eyes on the North American mainland wasn't Laif. It wasn't even somebody trying to find it. It was a merchant named Bjarnie Hairjolf, The summer that Eric sailed for Greenland, Bjarnie was off doing trade in Norway. He came back to Iceland to find that his father had picked up and gone with the Greenland fleet. So Bjarnie, who'd never been to Greenland,
Starting point is 00:12:42 who had no maps and no detailed directions, decided to follow. He got lost. A storm caught his ship and pushed him south for days. When the weather finally cleared, he saw land. It was wooded, with low hills, no glaciers, no dramatic cliffs. It looked nothing like the Greenland he'd been told to expect. His crew, who must have been exhausted and probably frightened, asked him if they should put into shore.
Starting point is 00:13:08 Bjarnie said no. This wasn't where they were going. They didn't know what was on that beach. They had supplies. They turned the ship around. He sailed north and saw a second land. This one flatter and more wooded. Then a third, mountainous and barren.
Starting point is 00:13:25 Eventually he made it back to a coastline that matched what he'd been told about green. and he found his father and he settled down. And here's the part that tells you something about the Norse mind. Bjarni didn't celebrate. He didn't get praised. According to the saga, when he later visited the court of a Norwegian earl and told the story, people thought he was a coward for not exploring.
Starting point is 00:13:48 He'd seen new land and turned away from it. That was, in their world, a kind of moral failure. Curiosity was a virtue. The willingness to step onto an unknown shore was, of virtue. He had failed at both. But the story stayed in the air. Other people heard it, and one of them was a young man on Greenland with his father's restlessness in his blood. Leif Erikson, sometime around the year 100, bought Bjarnie's ship. He didn't commission a new vessel. He didn't pick a different route. He bought the actual boat that had made the original
Starting point is 00:14:21 siding, the one whose timbers had touched water that no European had ever crossed before. There's something almost touching about that. He wanted the ship that had already done it once. He gathered a crew of about 35 men. The sources say his father Eric was supposed to come along, but Eric fell off his horse on the way to the harbor and took it as a sign that he wasn't meant to leave Greenland, so Leif sailed without him.
Starting point is 00:14:47 He pointed the long ship west and south, and he reversed Bjarnie's path. He went looking for the lands Bjarnie had refused to land on. Stay tuned for more disturbing history. We'll be back after these messages. The first place he found was the mountainous barren coast Bjarni had seen last. Leif called it Helluland, which means stone land or slabland. Most scholars think this was Baffin Island in what's now the Canadian Arctic.
Starting point is 00:15:18 He didn't stay long. There was nothing there but rock and glaciers. Then he sailed south to a flatter, wooded coast. He called it Markland, which means forest land. This was almost certainly the coast of Labrador. He went ashore. He noted the timber, which was something Greenland desperately needed, since trees of any size didn't grow there.
Starting point is 00:15:39 He took stock and moved on. Then he found Vinland. The name has caused arguments for a thousand years. Venn and Old Norse can mean wine, or it can mean meadow or pasture, depending on the vowel and the context. The sagas say Leif's expedition found grapes growing wild, which is what gave the place its name.
Starting point is 00:15:59 And that's a piece of evidence we're going to come back to, because grapes do not grow on the northern tip of Newfoundland. They grow farther south, so either the sagas are exaggerating, or the name comes from the meadow meaning, or Vinland was bigger than the place we've actually found. Leif's crew built houses. They wintered there. The saga describes the country as mild compared to Greenland,
Starting point is 00:16:22 with rivers full of salmon larger than any they'd ever seen, with grass that stayed green well into the winter, with timber for the taking. They explored. They went home in the spring with a hold full of grapes and lumber and stories. He went down in history as Leif the Lucky, not just because of the voyage. On the way home, he rescued a stranded crew off some scleries in the open ocean, which earned him part of their cargo and a reputation for being the kind of man fortune attached itself to. He arrived back in Greenland, a hero.
Starting point is 00:16:53 and then he never went back. That's the strange part. The man who'd found Vinland, the man whose name the place is now bound to, made one trip and stayed home for the rest of his life. He inherited his father's estate when Eric died. He became a chieftain. He converted Greenland to Christianity, more or less,
Starting point is 00:17:14 on the orders of the Norwegian king. He was a busy man. Vinland was something he'd done. It wasn't something he kept doing. Other people kept doing it. The next expedition was led by Leif's brother Thorvald, who took Leif's ship and crew and sailed for Vundland, looking for more. They wintered at the houses Leif had built. They explored further along the coast. And one summer, on a sandy beach somewhere along that coast, they did something
Starting point is 00:17:40 that would haunt the entire Norse adventure in the new world. They came upon nine men sleeping under three skin boats turned upside down for shelter. The Norsemen, for reasons the saga doesn't really justify, killed eight of them. The ninth got away. He alerted a larger group, and by the next morning, a fleet of skin boats came up the inlet, full of men with bows. The Norse fought them off, but Thorvald took an arrow under his arm. He pulled it out, looked at it, and said something to the effect of, this is a rich country we found. There's plenty of fat around my belly. The wound killed him. They buried him on a headland in the country he'd come to find. That's the Norse version. We don't have the other side. We don't know what
Starting point is 00:18:25 those nine men were doing on that beach. We don't know what they thought when armed strangers with metal weapons and skin like nobody they'd ever seen came out of the woods. We don't know what their family said when only one came home. We have only the killer's account, and even the killer's account is ambiguous about who started it. The honest reading is that the Norse attacked first. The honest reading is that the first contact between Europeans and indigenous Americans involved Europeans murdering eight men in their sleep. That set the tone for everything that came after. A few years later, a wealthy Icelander named Thorfin Carlsefni led the largest expedition yet.
Starting point is 00:19:04 He came with three ships, somewhere between 60 and 160 people depending on which saga you read, livestock, women, and the explicit intention of starting a permanent colony. His wife, Gudred, came with him. She was a striking figure in her own right, well-traveled, intelligent, the kind of woman who shows up repeatedly in the sagas as a person of consequence. They sailed for Vinland. They settled in. And during their time there, Gudred gave birth to a son named Snorri.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Snorri Thorfenson is, as far as we know, the first child of European parentage born on the continent of North America. He was born about 600 years before Virginia Dare. He was born about a thousand years before any of us were taught his name in school. He grew up in Iceland, became a respected citizen, and his descendants included bishops and chieftains. The line of Norse Americans, in a sense, ran straight through him. Carlsefni's expedition tried to make it work. They tried to trade with the local people, whom they called scrawlings,
Starting point is 00:20:07 a word that probably translates as something like the wretches or the wearers of skins, and which is, depending on the linguist, either a sluror. or a neutral descriptor or both. The Norse offered milk, which the scrawlings had never tasted, and red cloth, which they wanted desperately. The scrawlings offered furs. For a brief window, there was something like commerce, and then it broke down.
Starting point is 00:20:32 The sagas blame a bull. One of the cattle the Norse had brought with them got loose and bellowed and terrified the scrawlings, who'd never seen anything like it. There was panic, then violence. After that, there was no trust. The Scrailings came back in larger numbers and attacked the Norse settlement. The Norse held them off, but barely.
Starting point is 00:20:53 People died on both sides. There's a famous moment in the saga, real or invented, where the attack is going badly for the Norse, and a pregnant woman named Fritis, who was Laif's half-sister, picks up a sword off a dead man, bears one of her breasts, and slaps it with the flat of the blade while screaming a war cry.
Starting point is 00:21:11 The attackers, the saga says, broke and ran. Whether that actually happened or not, the image stuck. It tells you something about how the Norse remembered themselves. They were hard people. They were not easily frightened, and they were absolutely outnumbered. Carlsefni held on for a few years. Then he packed up the colony and sailed home. They'd lost too many people.
Starting point is 00:21:36 The country was richer than anything they'd ever seen, the saga says. but the people who already lived there were not going to let them stay. There was one more named expedition in the sagas, and it's the darkest of all of them. Fritis, the same half-sister of Leif who'd faced down the attackers with a sword, decided to go back to Vinland herself. She partnered with two Icelandic brothers named Helgi and Finboggi, who brought their own ship and their own crew.
Starting point is 00:22:04 The agreement was that each ship would carry the same number of men. Fritus violated that agreement. before they even left Greenland, smuggling extra men aboard her own vessel. The two parties wintered separately at Leafs Old Houses, and the bad feelings festered. One morning, according to the saga, Fritis went to the brothers camp before dawn. She got Finbogie out of bed. She told him she wanted his ship. He said he'd consider it.
Starting point is 00:22:31 She walked back to her own camp barefoot through the morning frost, climbed into bed beside her husband Thorvard, and told him the brothers had beaten her and threatened her. She demanded he avenge her. If he didn't, she said, she would divorce him as soon as they got home. Thorvard and his men went to the brothers' camp and surprised them in their sleep. They tied them up.
Starting point is 00:22:52 They killed every man one by one. The brothers' five women were left untouched because Thorvard's men refused to kill them. Fridus, the saga says, picked up an axe and killed all five women herself. She swore the surviving crew to secrecy. They sailed home with the murdered party ship in tow. The story she planned to tell was that the brothers had stayed behind in Vineland.
Starting point is 00:23:16 But men talk, and eventually her brother Laif heard pieces of it, and pulled three of the men aside and tortured the truth out of them. The saga says Leif decided not to punish her. She was his sister. But he said, on the record, that he expected nothing good to come of her descendants. And from that point in the Chronicle, Fritis essentially disappears from history. It's a story you can read different ways, as a moral lesson, as a saga writer's verdict on a real historical person, as a piece of late embellished invention that we shouldn't take too literally. But it's also a story about the kind of place Vinland had become in the Norse imagination. Not paradise, not the garden of grapes and salmon and gentle rivers, something darker, a place where people
Starting point is 00:24:02 you trusted would kill you over a ship. A place where the rules of a small community started to come apart in the long Atlantic distances. A place that was, even in the best of weather, a thousand miles too far from home. There were probably more voyages. There were probably trips to gather timber that didn't make it into the written record because they were routine. The Norse Greenlanders kept sailing west to Markland for wood for centuries after the official end of the Vinland adventure. There's a brief mention in an Icelandic chronicle from the year 1347 of a Greenlandic ship that drifted off course and landed in Iceland on its way back from Markland. That's 346 years after Laif's voyage.
Starting point is 00:24:47 346 years of quiet, unrecorded comings and goings, harvesting timber from a continent that European maps wouldn't acknowledge for another century and a half. But the colony in Vinland itself didn't last. It couldn't. Greenland's population was tiny, never more than a few thousand at its peak, and the resources required to sustain a settlement across an ocean from the homeland, against the resistance of an indigenous population that vastly outnumbered the colonists, were just not there. The Norse had their iron, they had their ships, they had their courage and their long memory.
Starting point is 00:25:25 What they didn't have was numbers. They left. They wrote it down, eventually, in stories that became sagas, that became literature. and the Vinland adventure passed into the kind of half-history that lives at the edge of what's provable. Word of it did get out, though. That's the thing people don't always realize. Vinland wasn't a complete secret in medieval Europe.
Starting point is 00:25:49 Around the year 1075, a German cleric named Adam of Bremen wrote a history of the Archbishops of Hamburg Bremen and tucked into one chapter is a description of an island in the ocean to the west, called Wyneland, where grapes grew wild and grain-right. without being sown. Adam said he'd heard about it from the Danish king swine Estredson. So the existence of a land beyond Greenland was known in a vague way in 11th century Europe. It was on the map of the imagination. It just wasn't on the map of the navigators. The Norse, in other words, found America. They lived on it. They had children there. They wrote about it.
Starting point is 00:26:28 And then the connection lapsed. That's the part that fascinates me the most. They found something enormous, and the world didn't change. Why? Partly because the Norse weren't a state-level enterprise. Greenland was a marginal colony of a marginal kingdom. There was no king behind the explorers, no royal treasury counting the potential profits, no fleet of follow-up ships waiting in the harbor. Carlsefney didn't get a ticker-taped parade. He came home, settled down in Iceland, and ran a farm. The Norse had found a continent the way an individual finds a stretch of forest. not the way an empire finds a possession. And when the people who'd done the finding died,
Starting point is 00:27:09 the finding mostly died with them. The other reason the discovery didn't take is that the Norse themselves were in slow trouble. The medieval warm period, which had given Eric the red, his green pastures and warm summers, started to tip toward the little ice age. The fjords froze for longer.
Starting point is 00:27:27 The growing seasons shrank. The trade routes to Norway became more dangerous. The plague hit Europe in the middle of, of the 14th century and disrupted everything that connected Greenland to the wider Christian world. The last clearly documented event in Norse Greenland is a wedding at the church at Valsy in 1408. After that the records go dark. Sometime in the next several decades, the colony just stopped being a colony. The buildings emptied, the farms went quiet. Whether the last of them died or sailed away or were absorbed into the Inuit population that was moving south down the coast,
Starting point is 00:28:04 Nobody really knows. By the time Christopher Columbus was a young man in Genoa, Norse Greenland was already a ghost. Vinland was a story. The continent on the other side of the Atlantic was, to most of Europe, a rumor at best. Now we move forward in time. We move from Newfoundland to Genoa, from sod houses to stone palaces,
Starting point is 00:28:26 from a culture that traveled by the stars and the look of the water, to a Europe that was, slowly, starting to think of the world in terms of trade routes and royal grants and printed books. We move into the story of the man who has the holiday and the streets in the cities named after him. Christopher Columbus. He was born in 1451, give or take. The exact date isn't certain. His father was a wool weaver. The family was Genoese, lower middle class, the kind of background that didn't promise much beyond following your father into a trade, and dying within a few miles of where you'd been born. But Columbus, even as a young man, had two things going for him.
Starting point is 00:29:07 He was driven in a way that bordered on obsessive. And he believed, deep in his bones, that the world was smaller than most people thought. He went to see Young. In his 20s, he was sailing as a merchant seaman in the Mediterranean and beyond. There's a story, possibly true, that he was on a Genoese ship that was attacked off the coast of Portugal in 1476, and that he survived by clinging to a piece of wreckage and swimming several miles to shore. Whether that exactly happened or not, he ended up in Lisbon, which at that moment in history was the most important city in Europe for anybody who wanted to think about long-distance ocean
Starting point is 00:29:46 travel. Portugal was leading the world in navigation. Portuguese captains were pushing south down the coast of Africa, opening up trade routes that would eventually round the Cape of Good Hope and reach India. Stay tuned for more disturbing history. We'll be back after these messages. The maritime know-how was concentrated there. The maps were drawn there. The instruments were made there. Columbus settled in, married a woman named Philippa Moniz Peristrello, whose family had connections to the Portuguese royal court and started building a life as a sailor and a chartmaker. And in his off hours, he became fixated on a single idea. The idea was this. The world is round. Educated people had known this since antiquity. The argument wasn't whether the earth was a
Starting point is 00:30:37 sphere. The argument was how big the sphere was. In Columbus, working from a combination of biblical texts, medieval geographers, and his own arithmetic, convinced himself that the distance from Western Europe to Eastern Asia, sailing west across the open ocean, was much shorter than most experts believed. He thought you could get to the Indies in a few weeks of sailing. He thought there was nothing in the way. He was completely wrong. The actual distance from Spain to China going west is something on the order of 12,000 miles of open ocean. Columbus thought it was about 3,000. He was off by a factor of four. He was off by an entire continent. But the wrongness of his idea is, in some ways, the most important fact about it. If he'd been right about the size of the world, he'd have died
Starting point is 00:31:25 of starvation in the middle of the Pacific. The only reason he succeeded. The only reason he survived is that there was something in the way that he didn't know was there. Two enormous continents, a whole hemisphere of land and people in history. And he ran into it because he couldn't have gotten where he was going without it. He spent years pitching the idea. He took it to the Portuguese first. They had committees of experts examine his proposal. The committees came back and said, in essence, the math doesn't work.
Starting point is 00:31:57 You're underestimating the distance. The Portuguese turned him down. He went to Spain. The Spanish royal court told him to wait. He waited. He pitched the English court. He pitched the French. Years passed.
Starting point is 00:32:11 He grew his hair gray on the antechambers of European monarchs. What finally changed his luck was politics. In January of 1492, the Spanish armies completed the conquest of Granada, the last Muslim kingdom on the Iberian Peninsula. The Reconquista was over. after 700 years of intermittent warfare. King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella now had a kingdom in their hands that was united, victorious, and looking for the next thing. A few months earlier, they had also issued the Alhambra decree, expelling Spain's Jewish population, which had lived there for centuries. It was a violent, transformative moment, and in the middle of it, Isabella decided
Starting point is 00:32:53 she could afford the gamble. She would back the Genoese sailor with the wild idea. The funding wasn't lavish, three small ships, a crew of about 90 men total, provisions for a few months, and a contract that specified Columbus would get a share of whatever he found, plus a hereditary title, plus the rank of Admiral of the Ocean Sea. He sailed from Palos de la Frontera on the 3rd of August, 1492. The flagship was the Santa Maria, a slow, broad-beamed vessel that he didn't even particularly like. The two faster ships, the Pallas'UPS, the Pallus de lairéps, the Penta and the Nina were captained by the Pinsan brothers, who would prove to be both essential to the success of the voyage and a constant source of friction. He stopped in the Canary Islands to
Starting point is 00:33:40 refit and pick up supplies. Then on the 6th of September, he turned the ships west into open ocean and lost sight of land. It took 36 days, 36 days of nothing but water in every direction, of crews getting nervous, of arguments about whether they'd gone too far, of Columbus secretly keeping two sets of logs because he didn't want his men to know the real distance they'd covered. There were near mutinies. There were arguments at night below decks about turning around. There were birds that flew over the ships and gave the men hope. There were patches of seaweed that suggested land. There was the moment when somebody miscalled a siding and Columbus had to talk his crews back from the edge. On the night of October 11th into the morning of October 12th, 1492,
Starting point is 00:34:26 A lookout on the Penta named Rodrigo de Triana shouted that he saw light. Columbus would later claim he'd seen the light first himself, the previous night, and would use that claim to deny Triana the lifetime pension that had been promised to whoever first-sided land. That's the kind of detail that tells you something about Columbus. The triumph hadn't even fully landed, and he was already adjusting the credit. The land they saw was a small island in the Bahamas. The local people called it Guantanahani. Columbus claimed it for Spain and renamed it San Salvador, Holy Savior.
Starting point is 00:35:03 He went ashore. He met the local people who were members of the Lukaian culture, part of the broader Taino peoples of the Caribbean. They were friendly. They were curious. They brought gifts. Columbus in his journal that very first day made two observations. He noted that they would make excellent servants,
Starting point is 00:35:22 and he noted that they had no iron weapons. that he could subdue them with 50 men. That's a real entry. Day one. That's the disposition with which the European encounter with the Americas began. He sailed on. He explored Cuba, which he believed was the Asian mainland. He explored Hispaniola, the island that's now divided between Haiti and the Dominican Republic.
Starting point is 00:35:47 He took some local people with him, some willingly, some not. The Santa Maria ran aground off the coast of Hispaniola, on Christmas Eve and broke up. Columbus used the timbers to build a small fort, which he called La Navidad, and left 39 men there to hold the place until he could return. He sailed home on the two remaining ships and arrived back in Spain in March of 1493,
Starting point is 00:36:12 to a hero's welcome. The thing that Columbus brought back wasn't really gold or spices or any of the things he'd been hired to find. He brought back proof, proof that there was something out there, proof that you could sail west and find land, and in the next decade,
Starting point is 00:36:28 that proof would crack the Atlantic open like an egg. He made three more voyages. The second was a giant follow-up expedition, with 17 ships and a small army of colonists and missionaries and livestock, intended to start the systematic Spanish settlement of the islands he'd already claimed. He found, when he got back to La Navidad,
Starting point is 00:36:49 that all 39 of the men he'd left behind were dead. They had abused the local people once Columbus left. The local people had eventually killed them. The Spanish response was war. The Spanish response was the beginning of one of the greatest demographic catastrophes in human history. The third voyage in 1498 finally brought him to the South American mainland, on what's now the coast of Venezuela. He noted that the freshwater coming out of the Orinoco River was so vast that the land it flowed from must be a continent,
Starting point is 00:37:20 not just an island. But he reconciled this with his existing belief by deciding it must be the location of the earthly paradise, the original garden of Eden of the Bible, somewhere up the Orinoco. The fourth voyage in 1502 took him along the coast of Central America. He saw a lot. He learned a lot. He did not, at any point, set foot on what is now the United States.
Starting point is 00:37:45 He never came close. The territory we associate with America in the modern sense was not where Columbus went. He died on the 20th of May, 1506 in Valadolid Spain, still believing he had reached the outskirts of Asia. That's worth pausing on. The man we celebrate for discovering America died,
Starting point is 00:38:05 not knowing he'd done it. He thought he'd been to a peninsula off the coast of China. He thought Cuba was the mainland. He thought the Caribbean was a strange backwater of the East Indies. He died wrong about the most important fact of his life. The naming of America happened after him, and not by him.
Starting point is 00:38:24 A Florentine merchant and navigator named Amerigo Vespucci made several voyages to the South American coast in the late 1490s and early 1500s, and he made a different argument. He looked at the size of the landmass. He looked at the position of the stars. He looked at how far south the coast extended. And he said, this is not Asia. This is something else. This is a new world. The argument was published.
Starting point is 00:38:49 and it caught fire. In 1507, a German cartographer named Martin Waldzemuller produced a beautiful, ambitious world map. He included the new continent, and next to it, in the southern half of the map, he wrote a name, America, the feminine Latin form of Vespucci's first name. He thought it was fair to name the new world after the man who'd recognized it as new. The name stuck. It spread to the northern continent later, and within a century or so, Both Americas were just America.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Columbus had found it. Vespucci had explained it, and the man who'd made the actual map gave it a name that erased both of them in favor of a Florentine. Five years after Columbus's first voyage, a different sailor pushed off from a different port, and did something Columbus never did.
Starting point is 00:39:38 In 1497, a Genoese-born navigator named Giovanni Caboto, working for the English king Henry V. 7th and sailing under the anglicized name, John Cabot, left Bristol with a single ship and a small crew. He sailed west across the North Atlantic on a much higher latitude than Columbus had taken. And he made landfall on the mainland of North America, somewhere along the coast of what's now Newfoundland or Cape Breton. Cabot was the first European since the Norse, as far as we know,
Starting point is 00:40:09 to actually set foot on the North American mainland. Columbus had only ever reached islands. Cabot reached the continent itself. He went ashore. He claimed the land for England, planted a flag, and turned around. He made a second voyage the following year and was lost at sea. His son Sebastian later picked up the family business of exploration. The English claimed to North America that would eventually become the foundation of the United States and Canada,
Starting point is 00:40:36 and a substantial portion of the modern world, traced its formal origin to that one short walk on a beach in 1497. Cabot didn't know about the Norse. almost nobody in Western Europe did in any meaningful way. He probably didn't know he was repeating something 500 years late. He just knew he'd been somewhere, and he'd come home. The bigger story, the one that runs underneath all of this, is what historians now call the Columbian Exchange. Not a single voyage, but the centuries-long avalanche of consequences
Starting point is 00:41:10 that 1492 set in motion. Plants moved. Animals moved. diseases moved. The potato went from Peru to Ireland and reshaped European agriculture. The horse came back to the plains of North America after thousands of years of absence and remade the lives of the Lakota and the Comanchee. Tomatoes moved from Mexico to Italy.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Coffee moved from Africa to South America. Smallpox moved from Europe to virtually everywhere and killed, by some estimates, 90% of the people who'd been living in the Americas before contact. That figure isn't a slogan. That's the considered view of demographers who've spent decades trying to count. Whatever else you say about Columbus, that is the thing he started. The Norse had lived briefly on the edge of a continent and then left. Their visit didn't change the world.
Starting point is 00:42:03 Columbus's voyage did, and a lot of what it changed was catastrophic, and a lot of it was irreversible. That's the weight he carries that the Norse don't. That's the reason we still argue about him five, hundred years later. The Norse get the prize for getting here first. Columbus gets the curse and the credit for being the moment everything cracked open. That's the story we mostly tell ourselves. Columbus sails west, finds the Americas, the world has changed forever. And it is true. Whatever you think of him personally, whatever you think of the consequences of contact,
Starting point is 00:42:37 the voyage of 1492 changed everything. The world before that voyage and the world after it are different worlds. He is, in that sense, a hinge in human history. But he wasn't first. That brings us back to the wind on the beach in Newfoundland, to the sod outlines in the grass, to the question of how exactly we know. For most of the four centuries after Columbus,
Starting point is 00:43:02 the Norse claim was just a story. The sagas existed. They'd been written down in Iceland in the 13th century and copied and recopied. Scholars knew about them. There were vague references in old maps. There were rumors. There were occasional finds of objects that might or might not be Norse.
Starting point is 00:43:22 There was a body of folklore, especially in Scandinavia and Scandinavian American communities, that insisted the Vikings had been here first. The problem was that nobody could prove it. The sagas were literature. Literature isn't archaeology. And the archaeology for centuries just wasn't there. There were embarrassments along the way. There were forgeries.
Starting point is 00:43:43 There were misreadings. There were genuine artifacts that were misinterpreted. The most famous of the forgeries is the Kensington Rune Stone. A slab of Greywalk pulled out of the roots of a tree in Minnesota in 1898, allegedly carved with runes describing a Norse expedition that had been killed by indigenous people in the year 1362. Most experts now consider the Kensington Stone a hoax, probably a 19th century one. The runic forms are wrong. the old Norse is wrong in ways consistent with someone working from a 19th century textbook.
Starting point is 00:44:18 But for decades, it muddied the water. There was also the Vinland Map, a piece of medieval-looking parchment that surfaced in the 1950s, and was published with great fanfare by Yale University in 1965. It seemed to show a Norse-era map of the North Atlantic with Vinland clearly marked. It was, after years of analysis, eventually shown to be a forged. with ink that contained a pigment not invented until the 20th century. These false starts mattered because they made serious scholars cautious. They made people slow to believe in any new claim.
Starting point is 00:44:55 The Norse in America story had become by the middle of the 20th century, the kind of subject that a respectable academic touched at his peril. Too many cranks. Too many hoaxes. Too many true believers with axes to grind. Stay tuned for more disturbing history. We'll be back. after these messages. The sagas themselves, though, never went away. That's worth a moment, because the survival of those texts is its own small miracle. The saga of the Greenlanders
Starting point is 00:45:27 and the saga of Eric the Red were preserved in Icelandic manuscripts. Iceland in the medieval period was an unusual place. It was a small, poor society perched on a volcanic rock in the North Atlantic, with one of the most literate populations in Europe and a deep, almost obsessive culture of writing things down. They wrote the histories of their families. They wrote the stories of their ancestors. They wrote the law codes. They wrote down the old pagan poetry even after they converted to Christianity. They wrote on calf-skin vellum, which was expensive, and they wrote in tiny, careful hands, and they kept doing it for centuries. The two Vinland Saga survived in two famous manuscripts. The saga of the Greenlanders is preserved in a manuscript called Flady Jarbock.
Starting point is 00:46:15 A 14th century volume of sagas and other writings copied out by two priests over a period of years. The saga of Eric the Red is preserved in two manuscripts, including one called Hauksbock, copied by a man named Halker Erlinson in the early 1300s. These books sat on shelves. They were copied. They were read. They were sometimes ignored. But they didn't disappear.
Starting point is 00:46:40 The reason we know any of this story at all is that an isolated society on a volcano, rock decided their grandparents' grandparents' adventures were worth committing to leather. If Iceland had not been the kind of place it was, the Vinland voyages might have vanished completely. Helga Ingstod would have had nothing to read. The Newfoundland site might have stayed a curiosity in the grass forever, with no framework to recognize what it was. And then Helga Ingstad came to a beach in Newfoundland. Helga was a Norwegian. He'd been a lawyer, then a frontier official in Greenland, then a writer of adventure books. He'd lived in the Canadian North among indigenous trappers. He had the kind of life that produced the kind of person who reads the Vinland
Starting point is 00:47:23 sagas not as poetry, but as travel directions. In the 1950s, he started looking at maps. He tried to figure out where the Norse, sailing south from Greenland, would actually have ended up. He looked at currents. He looked at coastlines. He looked at the descriptions of grass and timber and rivers and the position of the sun. And he kept coming back to a stretch of the northern Newfoundland coast. In 1960, he and his daughter Benedict arrived in a tiny fishing village called Launce O Meadows. The village had maybe a dozen families. They lived hard lives off the cod fishery.
Starting point is 00:48:00 Helga asked around. He wanted to know if there were any old building remains in the area, anything that didn't look like local construction, anything that didn't look right. A man named George Decker took him to a low grass-covered terrace just outside the village, near a brook that ran down to the bay. The locals had always called the place the old Indian camp. The grass grew over a series of low, regular ridges.
Starting point is 00:48:26 They almost looked like the foundations of something. They almost looked like buildings. Helgi looked at them. He recognized the shape. He had seen the same kind of overgrown ruins on the coast of Greenland, on Norse sites that had been abandoned for half a millennium. The proportions were right. The orientation was right.
Starting point is 00:48:45 The position relative to the water was right. He went home, raised funding, and came back the next summer with his wife, Anne Stein Ingstaud. She was the archaeologist in the family. She just completed her master's degree at the University of Oslo. From 1961 to 1968, the Ingstads led an international team of archaeologists from Norway, Iceland, Sweden, Canada, and the United States in carefully excavating the site.
Starting point is 00:49:13 What they found was extraordinary. Eight buildings. Saude walls, built on timber frames with sod roofs. Three large dwelling halls, each big enough to house a substantial number of people. Smaller workshops. A smithy with a stone anvil and slag from iron working. A boat repair area with iron rivets that had been deliberately cut and pulled out of old boats. so they could be replaced.
Starting point is 00:49:39 Small artifacts. A bronze ring-headed cloak pin of a type used in Norse, Iceland. A spindle whorl made of soapstone, a small wet stone, a glass bead. Every detail was Norse. The architecture matched the Norse buildings on Greenland and Iceland. The artifacts matched the Norse material culture of the 11th century. The site was unambiguous. There was no other reasonable interpretation.
Starting point is 00:50:05 Lonso Meadows was a Norse settlement on the North American mainland. It was real. It was sitting in the grass on a beach in Newfoundland, where it had been sitting, undisturbed except by the occasional curious local for nearly a thousand years. The Inkstod's work was confirmed and expanded by Parks Canada in the 1970s, under the direction of archaeologist Brigitte Wallace, who would spend much of the rest of her career working on the site and its meaning. They found more material. They found three butternuts in the bog adjacent to the site. Butternuts. The kind from the tree. The wild walnut. Butternuts don't grow in Newfoundland. They grow farther south, down into New Brunswick and the St. Lawrence Valley. Somebody at Lonso Meadows had brought those nuts back from a trip even farther into the continent.
Starting point is 00:50:56 Somebody had explored beyond. The radiocarbon dating when it was done put the site at roughly the year 1000, give or take a few decades, which was right, which matched the sagas, which was 492 years before Columbus. The site was named a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1978. It is, to this day, the only confirmed North settlement in the Americas outside Greenland. There are other possible sites that have been investigated and not confirmed. There's a place called Point Rosie, also in Newfoundland, that was thought for a few years to be a second North site, but the excavations didn't pan out. There's a Norwegian silver coin from the 11th century
Starting point is 00:51:39 that was found at an indigenous archaeological site in coastal Maine in 1957, called the Maine Penny, that may indicate Norse trade goods making their way down the coast, though it could also have come through later channels. There are intriguing finds at a few sites in the Canadian Arctic that suggest Norse contact with the Dorset and Thule peoples. None of those rises to the level of Lansso Meadows. None of them is a settlement, but Lonso Meadows alone is enough. It's more than enough. It is, in archaeological terms, an absolute fact. The Norse were here. They built houses here. They lived here. And they did it 500 years before anyone else from across the Atlantic had any idea this place existed. Then in October of 2021, the date became precise. A team of researchers led by Margot Kydams
Starting point is 00:52:31 and Michael D. at the University of Groningen in the Netherlands, published a paper in the journal, Nature. They had taken three pieces of wood from the Norse Layers at Lantz Omeadows. Each piece was a small chunk of a tree, found in the refuse around one of the longhouses, with the bark still attached. Each piece had been cut with metal tools, which meant it couldn't have been worked by indigenous Americans, who didn't have iron at that time and place. Each piece was beyond any reasonable doubt, Norse. They were looking for something specific. In the year 993, the sun emitted a massive burst of cosmic radiation. A solar storm so powerful that it left a measurable signature in the atmosphere of the entire planet. Trees absorbed it. Every tree growing on Earth that year
Starting point is 00:53:20 wrote a kind of mark into its annual growth ring, a spike in radiocarbon, a fingerprint of the storm. You can find that fingerprint in tree rings from Germany, Ireland, Arizona, Japan. It is global. It is exact. And it gives you if you can find it in a piece of wood, a calibration point you can count from. The team found the spike in all three pieces of wood from Lonto Meadows. And in each of the three, the spike was buried 28 or 29 rings inside the bark. Which means each tree was felled 28 or 29 years after the storm. which means each tree was cut down in the year 1021.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Three different trees, three different rings, the same year. The Norse were standing on the soil of North America, swinging axes in the year 1021. We can say it like that in a single sentence. We don't have to hedge. We don't have to qualify. We don't have to wave at the sagas and say something non-committal about the early 11th century. We can name the year. The science is that good.
Starting point is 00:54:26 The evidence is that strong. 471 years before Columbus saw a light on Guantan. So who was first? It depends on what we mean. If we mean who first crossed the Atlantic Ocean from Europe and made landfall on the western continents, the answer is the Norse. By an unambiguous and confirmed margin of nearly five centuries,
Starting point is 00:54:48 they got here, they built houses, they had a baby, they wrote about it, and we have wood and iron and stone and a date, The kind of date a forensic account would accept, that proves it. If we mean who first connected the two halves of the world in a way that didn't lapse, the answer is Columbus. The Norse adventure was real, but it was a thread that frayed. Vinland was visited, then mostly forgotten. The Greenland colony itself eventually died.
Starting point is 00:55:18 The European map of the world, in the year 1492, did not include the Americas. Columbus's voyage did what the Norse voyages, for all their courage did not. It opened a door that stayed open. If we mean who first found the lands that became the United States, the answer is neither of them. Columbus never set foot on what is now American soil. He died without ever having seen any part of the future United States. Leif Erickson got closer to the modern American mainland than Columbus did, by a wide margin. The Norse may well have explored down into what's now New England and Canada's maritime provinces.
Starting point is 00:55:58 The butternuts at L'O Meadows suggests somebody made it that far, but neither Columbus nor Leif planted a flag on what we'd now call American ground. And if we mean who really found America, in the largest and most honest sense of the word, the answer is older than either of them by an order of magnitude. The first people to find these continents found them somewhere between 15 and 20,000 years ago, walking or sailing south from the lands around what's now the Bering Strait. They are, every one of us who is not indigenous, the latecomers. They made a home of two hemispheres before any European sailor ever stepped into a boat.
Starting point is 00:56:37 So the simple answer to the simple question, the one we put on the title of this episode, is this. Christopher Columbus did not find America first. The Vikings, the people we more accurately call the Norse, beat him to be. to the continent by close to half a millennium. We have a date. We have a place. We have artifacts. We have writing. We have everything you would need to settle the case in any court that respects evidence. But the simple answer is incomplete. Because what Columbus did in 1492 wasn't really discovery. It was something else. It was a beginning. It was the moment when the western and eastern halves of the world, which had drifted apart in human time for tens of thousands of years,
Starting point is 00:57:23 suddenly found each other again and could not let go. The contact stayed contact. The trade routes stayed trade routes. Ships kept coming. Empires followed the ships. Diseases followed the empires. Languages, religions, plants, animals, people. All of them began to move across an ocean that had been a wall and was now, suddenly, a road. That moment, For better and for worse, mostly for worse, if you're an indigenous American in the centuries after 1492, was the real change. The Norse had found the new world. Columbus had brought the old world with him. What's strange, when you sit with all of this, is how much we still want a single hero.
Starting point is 00:58:06 We want a single name on the holiday. We want a single date on the timeline. The truth is messier than that. The truth is a thousand-year arc that runs from a Greenlandic chieftain's curious, sun to a Genoese sailors miscalculated map. The truth is a shoreline in Newfoundland where men from an earlier century left their tools in the dirt. The truth is a Spanish journal entry from October of 1492, where the writer notes, on
Starting point is 00:58:33 his very first day of contact, how easily the local people could be enslaved. The truth has more than one beginning. I think about L'Anso Meadows sometimes. I think about that wind off the straight and that long, low grass and the way the sea looks gray most of the year. I think about whoever the last Norseman was to leave the place. I picture him stepping into a boat. I picture him looking back at the sod houses on the rise above the bay, knowing the country was richer than anywhere he'd ever been, knowing his small group couldn't hold it. I picture him wondering whether anyone would ever come back, and nobody did. Not for another
Starting point is 00:59:12 500 years. Not until a different group, in different ships, under a different flag, with different intentions, found a different shore and started something different and far more permanent. That gap, those five centuries of silence, is one of the strangest empty rooms in human history. Two worlds had touched. They'd let go. They forgot. And then they reached again. Whatever you want to call that, it isn't a holiday. It isn't a slogan. It isn't a single man's name on a single day in October. It's the long, complicated story of how the human race finished circling the planet it lives on. It took us close to 15,000 years to walk all the way around, from Africa across Asia and over to the Americas. And then, on the first warm beach in Newfoundland
Starting point is 01:00:01 in the year 1021, and on the first warm island in the Bahamas in the year 1492, we finally closed the loop and met ourselves on the other side. Both of those moments matter. They matter differently. They matter for different reasons. But neither one is the whole story. And the whole story, when you finally line it up and look at it without flinching, is bigger and stranger and older than the version we got in school. The Norse were first.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Columbus was second. The continents were already full of people who had been first, long before either of them, by a margin so vast that it makes the question itself feel almost beside the point. What we owe all of them, the Norse who came and win in a generation, the Genoese who came and changed everything, and the indigenous nations who were already here, and who paid the highest price for that change, is the truth. The whole truth. Even when it doesn't fit on a banner, even when it's harder to say out loud than the easy version we grew up with, especially then.
Starting point is 01:01:04 Thanks for listening.

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