Do Go On - 1 - Why is the Mona Lisa so famous?

Episode Date: November 11, 2015

The Mona Lisa is the most visited piece of art in the world. But how much do we know about the painting? In this first episode, Dave Warneke presents a report on how the piece became world famous after an incident at the Louvre in 1911. We also discuss the man himself Leonardo Da Vinci, his dreams of a giant horse, and of course we talk A LOT about the Ninja Turtles. Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Now is the time, my co-hosts Matt Stewart. Hey Dave, how's it going? Good thing you're Matthew. So good to be here. So we're gonna, we're sticking with the name do go on. We are going with do go on. We need one more person to the trio that is do go on. I'm the do you're the go and the on is Jess Perkins always on. Always on Hello Lads, how are we? We are good making podcast history as you said before we did before, hopefully. Yeah, I'm a big fan. Do you think it'll be a trivia question one day? What was the first thing Dave Warnkey said on the historical first Do-Go-On podcast? I was honestly going to be a life goal of mine is to get a trivial pursuit to question

about me. Yeah. I think I'd have to be some sort of mass murderer though to get on the list. How many people did Dave Warnocky murder in 2017? What's your best chance so far? And the first 25 years, what have you done that's the most note worthy? Oh, Dave Warnocky. School captain of Elthamies Primary School 2002.

Hello. That's pretty good. Hello. That's pretty good. Drama captain of Avila College 2008. Not bad. Nice Matthew and he captains seeds. You are leader? You know, an SRC.

Hello. St James East Bentley. I think. Hey, but wait, wait. I'll ask you on the cake. The badge was given to me by our biggest Most famous alumni Luke Beverage now coach of the Western Bulldogs There's also a rumor that I never fan ever sure not. Our other famous alum, no, was, he got expelled from a Frankston High School and came for

one year and he was the singer of 28 days. I don't know if that's true or not, but... Wow, rip it up. We were pretty proud of that. Yeah, that's the thing. They're fine and I reckon. So they don't get him back to present the artist. No, apparently not.

So that's why I don't know if it's definitely true. I didn't see his photo wasn't on him in the Gymnasium like click beverages was Well there we go. So well, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna outrank you here with the school captain Then my vice president is of course the drama captain and then I was very specific captain But you were captain of the whole school the entire but I I was also a school captain and sports captain in grade six. I don't know if that... That's what I'm talking about. I'm a grade six.

Yeah, yeah. I wasn't a sports... So I was both. Okay, Padame, I was only a captain in the choir in grade six. Oh my god. So, over to you. My feelings leader just spoke in school captain, sports captain, and drum, drum, drum. I've just always been a natural leader.

That is what we're learning here. Absolutely. Yeah. What did you use your power for? Oh evil. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When in my and every SRC meeting that I can do SRC is like a thing so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every meeting it was one kid would be like all right first on the agenda Can we get a deep fry and the touch? We want chips at lunch time hot chips, please and the principal you're like Yeah, look we're looking into it Every week since that guy from 28 days before one of the school and got expelled

every week since that guy from 28 days before one of the school had got expelled. What a great way to get expelled. Oh, for chips for all! Deep frying, deep frying stuff in the locker bay. Alright guys, well we are here, we are going to go on. The show is called Do Go On and what happens is the three of us are all interested in varying topics and stuff. I write... That is the... Yeah, I think that's true about everyone. But for example, you mentioned you were really proud of knowing a guy called Luke Beverage

and I'd never heard of him. Even though he's the coach of the football team that I claim to back for. So, very, very different hobbies, skills and interests. And I also, so we all know each other from performing comedy around Melbourne, but my job is to write trivia questions for a pub trivia company. Matt, you also worked for this pub trivia company, you knew Quiz Host, and you also have a job part-time fact-checking questions for a TV quiz show. Yes. And Jess, you just love life.

And I just love you guys. And I just like hanging out with you. So I thought, I'm in. You're in? You're totally in. So I'm good at trivia. I don't write it, but I'm generally pretty good at it. That's all it needs to be. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I will. Give her a hand.

I know, because now, you're the cocky. What's, for a ball team, does Luke Beverage coach? Uh, Bulldogs. Yeah, oh, geez. Pointer. She'sy. What's a bot team just look beverage coach? Bordogs. Yeah, she's good. She's good. She's good. So I'm researching questions. I often get into a wiki piti of binge,

like a sort of cycle where I can't get out. And I'm just suddenly reading about all kinds of stuff. I'm sure Matt, you read about things that you don't really need and all about when you're fact checking. Totally. I think I would be surprised if Jess doesn't fall down similar holes right of course I think everyone get full knows what the feeling of falling down a wiki hole as well yeah it's the same as like a YouTube vortex you know like you watch one

thing or like you watch one tutorial or you look up one Wikipedia page and then three hours later you're like looking at Napoleon and you're like what am I doing here? I'm thinner out. It's really fascinating. Well this show is all about those fascinating things that you read about at Forri. I mean, you've got no reason to know it, no one to tell it. And that's what we're going to do on this show. Each week we're going to take it in turns to prepare a report, a class presentation, if

you will, if we're going to keep going with the school sort of metaphor that we've got going on and to the other two sort of teach them about something that we've learnt during the week in one of our wiki pdf binges so I'm going to go first with our report and we're going to go on about something at length and that is well it started with a question so I'm going to ask you guys a question and that is when think of art, do you guys like art? Yeah. I know what you know about.

No, I just like, I think I, I just love, you know, that same people say that sort of cliches. I don't know a lot about art, but I know what I like. And what I like is my favorite art. What are you going to talk about? Well, I'm just going to ask when you think of art. This is probably for you. What do you think of?

What piece? Maybe a sculpture, a painting. Is the installation, if you will. Before you even brought up that question, I already had a piece of art in my mind. Do you know what guy called Fredrick McCubbin? Oh yes, a very famous Australian artist. Yeah, he did a lot of bush landscapes and so.

He did this painting called The Pioneer. And it was one of those three paintings and one paintings. It's called a triptitch. Triptitch. Triptitch, TRI, P. That sounds way better than three paintings and one. Triptitch. Triptitch. TRI. P. That sounds way better than three paintings in one. I feel like he would have finished it and gone. Check this out. I've done a three paintings in one. No, I might have said

triptitch. Absolutely. You call it a triptitch over the three panels sort of go together and that's one sort of piece. And I know the one you mean. Yeah, my parents have a print of it. Of the painting. We were speaking in my primary school. We had one hanging in the library. Ah, there you go. Great painting. So, so where you were a captain, right? You were a library captain. That's right. I, no, I installed that painting. So it was a big Frederick Macabrean fan. No, he was a very famous bush artist and you think about, you think of that? I'm a Macabrean man. What's your exposure to Macabrean? How'd you get into Macabre? I got into Macabrean via a different painting, the Lost, I think it was called the Lost Girl,

and that was my parents' out of print at that at home, which I quite like, but there's nothing can compare to a trip ditch in the center. If you said that word correctly, yes. Thank you very much. Well done. Yeah, I was thinking, when you said, I was just thinking like Statue of David.

Statue of David? By Michelangelo. That's correct. Quite famous, that one, you know. Well's your David? Yeah. By Michelangelo. That's correct. Quite famous, that one, you know? Well, we might talk a bit about Michelangelo here, but I'm thinking of a painting. The world's... What would you say is the world's most famous painting?

After McCubbin's... After McCubbin's scripted. After McCubbin's scripted. It's after the painting of Michelangelo's statue of David. It would have to be, like, something like the scream or the Mona Lisa. Mona Lisa, we have a winner. Now the Mona Lisa, it's featured in the 20th century, it featured in over 2,000 advertisements. It's in the most visited gallery in the world, the Louvre.

They estimate that 80% of the near 10 million people that visit every year go just so they can see that little face hanging on a wall. Yeah, I did. That's crazy. So we're going to talk about the Mona Lisa today. And my first question was going to be, have you guys been to the Louvre in Paris? Have you come face to face with the lady herself? I sure have.

And it's... How was the experience? She's smaller than you think. It is so big. Little is she's a little lady. Little is? And then, insanely overwhelming and underwhelming thing, I found. Because I visited, so I went into the off season, so it was Christmas Eve in 2013,

I was raining and I still had to line up outside for an hour. That's how popular this place is. And you go in there and you've heard about it all your life and you think a lot of people, because I think of paintings, I think of Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa and you get there and you face to face with her and it's so small. So that's sort of super underwhelming. But then it's overwhelming because it's in this pretty small room and there's more people than you ever thought even existed. Yeah and you've been into one place. I've found really funny as well. I felt sorry for the other paintings that are in that room because you turn around a directly opposite the Mona Lisa is this enormous.

Well I've researched that maybe. I've heard of the wedding at Kana by another artist called Vera Naci and that is the biggest painting in the entire museum. It measures six meters by ten meters. Yeah, it's huge. And it's beautiful. It's amazing. It's got 130 different full-size people painting and one of whom is Jesus Christ. And Snow White looks at it. No one is looking at it. To me, that would be a, I'd be way more interested in seeing that but to answer your question about the Louvre, is that what I'm saying? I haven't been inside there. So is it true to say that I've been there? I've been near there. You've been to the Louvre but you haven't

been in the Louvre. Yeah, there was a really, was it unlike you I was there in the middle of summer It was a beautiful day. I'd never seen such blue skies But the line was still pretty long and I Didn't have to line up at all Wow, I just could not be but I would have just pointed your face and go I was like um excuse me you've probably seen me on YouTube. I was the captain of most Yeah, no, so I did not go inside but I thought that triangle thing looks cool yeah it does look pretty cool. The pyramid thing. The glass pyramids out the front.

so I was into that but yeah I'll buy myself who accused for like an hour or so by yourself. See I was with a group of friends and we got to Paris on a Friday and then we're looking up like things we can do and it's there was a little note on we're looking up like things we can do and it's there was a little note on the website that was like people under 25 getting for free on Friday night so we were like let's all go so we got him for free wow he really showed our ID there was like my four friends went first and he went yep yep we got to me and he said yep was he we

no I was going yes because he could see that was Australian licenses and then he looked at mine and went no and I was like oh no and then he's like haha and then he's like let me in. I was like oh the French they are funny. Oh they are very very funny. And actually I found the most overwhelming thing ever is that you're in the room like I say with a million other people it's disappointingly small it only measures 77 by 53 centimetres. Wow. It's disappointingly small. It only measures 77 by 53 centimeters. Wow.

So, like less than a tenth of the size of this other massive opinion across the road from it. It's behind glass. So many people there. And one part of you is trying to connect with the most famous piece of art in the entire history of mankind. And at the same time, there's also about six people taking a selfie where they're looking like they're picking her nose. It's like the biggest cultural, oh god, this is not good. I just, to me, I kind of get the reason why you go see it. I love being in a place where something so famous that you sort of get this, I get this weird feeling like I can't believe them in the same room as I think. But at the same time, I've seen weird feeling like I can't believe them in the same room as this thing.

But at the same time, I've seen it, it's a picture right. I've seen pictures of it, which are pretty accurate. I think their photos often. I know exactly what it looks like. And if it's not, if you're not gaining anything because of the scale of it's pretty small, I don't really get the point. You can't go up close, yeah. Yeah, if it's some huge thing, well, I'm saying like a dickhead.

No, no, no, no, please go on. Please go on. I know what you mean, because I thought the same about a lot of landmarks, because I'm like, we've seen so many photos of them, like leaning to our piece, you're like, oh, I've seen it, but then you go and it's like, oh.

Yeah, there is something I'd call about being in the same place as some. Yeah, and it was kind of nice to be like, wow, that's the actual Mona Lisa, that's pretty cool, that's a very old painting, no, that sort of stuff blows me away actually you know when you're in a place you're like this thing was literally touched by Leonardo I was gonna say decafriars that is a real yeah he is a pretty big box

of a stuff but I don't think even he would be allowed to touch the paper yeah so in the Mona Lisa is the most famous painting in the world, I continually claim it is. What do we know about it? Surely it's famous. What do you guys know? Surely you would know a lot about it, right? Well, I know it was painted by Leonardo. Davinci. That's so bad. I'm not like, I'm not fucking around. I just, my instinct is to say decapriate it. Is that bad? Who was from the past?

Yes. The disc, it was like from the 1500s or something earlier? Yes, that's correct. What else do we know? I'm going to know bits and pieces as you say them, but I can't recall them now. What's the most famous thing about Leonardo to you. He was an inventor as well as a painter. And...

An ninja to... Oh, we're gonna talk about an interter... We're gonna get there. We are definitely gonna talk to an interter... Because I'm a big fan. He's left-handed, he's left-handed like me. Oh, sinister. So...

I'm pretty sure he was. Yes, definitely left-handed. We're going to talk about the great man, Leonardo. We're going to talk about Ninja Turtles. But he made it called him Leo. The biggest weird that we don't know that much about something that's so famous. Yeah. And then I think that's weird, but then I think people know less about art than ever.

And I know this because a few weeks ago I was doing one of these trivia nights, I was hosting a corporate trivia night for a big real estate firm in the city, here in Melbourne, and one of the questions was pretty easy. It was in Florence in 1501, what Italian artist began sculpting the giant statue of David that we've already talked about? The answer is everyone knows, Michelangelo. But one guy, after I asked this question, stands up loudly and yells, mate, how the fuck am I supposed to know that?

That's like asking, who sculpted the bronze statue of Ron Barassi outside the MCG? And he was serious. Oh. Serious. So I know, oh boy. Moral here, I've lost faith in humanity. Yeah.

People know nothing about art. So we're going to talk about the most famous painting on Earth today, the Mona Lisa, and why it is so incredibly famous. So bit of a background. Mona Lisa, as you guys know, is already told me, is painted by Leonardo da Vinci, in Florence, in Italy, in about 1503. Good year. Good year. Only a cat Only for wine and art.

If you still had wine. You're holding onto that bottle. Oh yeah, for the first born. With fortune. That's right, on my first born 600th book. And they can crack open this delicious, venthy wine. People argue about how long you painted it for,

but the Louvre, let's go over them because we've all been there, not in there, but been there. They argue, well, they tell you, tell everyone that started in 1503 and you painted it to 1506. So some people say you're still touching it up 15 years later towards the end of his life, but let's say you did it for a few years. Touching it up. Then Leonardo himself, touch, oh my goodness, it's terrible. That just winked at me. Oh, he did it to me, it feels gross. Don't wink after you said touch up.

So the Vinchman, Leonardo himself is a really, really interesting guy. And not only because he is the namesake of my personal favorite and interturtle, which is Leonardo. Oh, the leader, that makes sense. School captain. School captain. I also carried two swords with me everywhere I go, just like the real one. How about you guys, did you have a favorite Ninja Turtle?

It's hard, I mean, it's like picking a favorite child. Mine, I. Well, really, that difficult, because most, I thought most kids had, I like them all, obviously, they're all, they're all ninjas and turtles. Wall. I always forget which color was which mine mine mine was done a telly the purple I was to save no I think I liked which one was blue I

was laying out a yeah okay maybe I'll yeah I think when you are a leader as well so that makes sense I'm sensing that you're not as big a fan as Matt or I think my brother was really into it so I think I rejected it a little bit yeah because I was like no that's not cool and I think I rejected it a little bit. Yeah. Because I was like, no, that's not cool. And I think, I think, my favorite would have been Michael Angelo if it was, you know, if it was just a being fully honest kind of thing. Oh, right. You know, one of them being fully honest kind of thing. So now you're an adult and you can make real choices. Well, you're really thinking.

No, I mean, as a kid, I picked Donatello. I think it was because he was like a bit of an underdog. No one's favorite was Donatello. Yeah, because one, he was a nerd that did computers and machines. Two, he carried a wooden stick. A bow stuff is what they called it. I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, all right. That versus two swords. Come on, mate. Yeah, but it's like the wooden stick seemed to hold up really well against things. And he was still good. He was spun around and stuff. Yeah, it did a bit wooden sticks him to hold up really well against things and he like he was still good He used spun it around and stuff. Yeah, it did a bit of pole Pulting so he was he was the the thoughtful kind of one and then Michelangelo was the funny one

Which I think is who everyone's favorite was at the time for memory, but I think that was why and I think that's It's the party dude. Yeah, wow my George Harrison fan, you know because he's like not ever you know or even Ringo I've been in arguments saying Ringo's got some skills. You think Ringo could beat Leonardo Well, I feel like Ringo is probably the Donatello of The Beatles oh Okay, I reckon McCartney would be the Leonardo Michelangelo would be the Lennon Leaving George Harrison as the rude,

one roughie. Oh yeah, no, that doesn't work out a lot. Yeah, roughie out of the way, but like an angry issue, didn't you? Yeah, he was, like, in a theme song. So maybe he's, that maybe McCartney is Raphael. They call him our cool but rude. Cool but rude. And then someone is a party dude.

Michael Angel, my party dude. Oh, he's a great factor about that theme song. This is a killer fact. OK. The guy that created two and a half men, Big Bang Theory, Oh, he's a great fact about that theme song. This is a killer fact. The guy that created two and a half men, Big Bang Theory, or this kind of shitty show, Chuck Law. Yeah. Is his name?

He was pronounced that lorry in my head. Oh, I also was Chuck Law. No, probably definitely. He was a musician. He still makes music. But he was a musician and songwriter, and he co-wrote the theme song. Wow. Teenage Mutant. That's a talented dude. makes music but he was a musician and songwriter and he co-wrote the things that is an amazing fact. That's a talented dude.

No, but obviously it made a lot more money from telling the worst jokes ever So it turns out that he is also funny but rude? No, what was it? Cool but rude. Cool but rude. Well, yeah, he would rude anyway. Alright, we're gonna get slightly sidetr side tracks Charlie Sheen is a party do Definitely we're gonna get slightly so sorry About everything thanks for thinking on the show We're gonna get slightly slightly side tracks to talk about all the niditor's names

Takes real quick because they're all cool some of them rude in their own right All parties so your favorite map Donatello fossil your your favorite too, Jess. He was the oldest. He's the sculptor, right? Yep, he was the only one that didn't paint. He just sculpted and he was, he lived to be 80 years old. Whoa, which back then was really old. He was born in 1386, dated 1466. Oh, second oldest is our man Leonardo.

We're going to talk a lot more about. He lived to be 67 died in 1519 then we've got Michael Angelo who lived to be 88 years old Wow, so that's also 16th century died in 1564 and a sculptor David and Pietta not as famous as the Rundrasse MCG Did you look up who did the Rundrasse? Yeah. Definitely not Michael Acklachlach.

But he completed both David and Pietta, he's two most famous statues before he was 30 years old. So what have we done with our lives, Dad? Not enough. Not. We've got five years. But also, if we live as long as him, we've got 50. Oh, good point.

60 more years to go. And so he did a lot of great stuff obviously the cysteine chapel ceiling the Vatican the last judgment fresco on the wall also in the Vatican so he lived to be 88 which at the time is like a thousand years old so old so he outlived Rafael who's the youngest of the four by 44 years even their Rafael is born eight years after him so then we have Rafael who possibly is my new favorite who's the youngest of the four by 44 years, even though Raphael is born eight years after him. So then we have Raphael, who possibly is my new favorite,

an inter-turtle because he was born in 1483, died in 1520, he was only 37. And this is what we know about his death. According to Versailles, who was an artist, biographer at the time, telling a guy called Versailles, this is what he wrote about Raphael. Raphael's premature death on Good Friday, April 6th, 1520,

which was also possibly his 37th birthday, was caused by a night of excessive sex with his mistress and model Lutti, after which he fell into a fever, and not telling the doctors that this was its cause, was given the wrong cure which killed him. Wow. So there you go. So he had a lot of sex, had a fever, was too embarrassed to tell the doctor that he'd just been banging on. They gave him the wrong medication which killed him. What a time to be alive when you're embarrassed that you've been banging or not.

What about us? You think you'd walk into like high five, you really? That doctor, you know what's up? And I've got a sex disease, big time. Really they should have just, they should have just given like a cigarette or something to relax, like sit back. Really, Raphael, cool but rude, cool. Really? Alright then we have Leonardo who is the namesake for the leader of the turtles.

It's not hard to see why, but he's the leader because he was ridiculously good painter. I'm saying he was also a sculptor, an architect, a musician, a mathematician, engineer, inventor. As we already discussed, a natomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer. Dude. So what is like the Wall-Eid-Oli of the holidays? But you know what they like, at least you'd want Wall-Eid at a party, because he seems like a cool dude. Like you'd like to have a chat room.

I feel like Leonardo's got too many feathers in his hat. And you just be like, oh man, come on. You'll be going all the time. Stop talking shit. Yeah. Well, he's not talking. He's right in the shit. You wrote 13,000 pages of notes and drawings in his lifetime. And for you left-hander, you mainly wrote using mirror image cursive, which

is where you write backwards from left to right. So you can read it properly if you hold a mirror up to it. Because that's easier for a left-hander to do, writing from the wrong way. But that is the wrong way. But that is the- The wrong way. That is the worst code of all time. Yeah.

Because I don't know, maybe Miras weren't as widespread at the time, but if you were going to tell him, hey mate, every house in the whole world is going to have a mirror soon. Yeah, this isn't going to be difficult, so. This is terrible. Wow. But are he invented and proposed inventions of things like parachutes, flying machines, weapons,

including an early machine gun before the gun? A giant crossbow, an armored car, scuba gear, and my personal favorite, the world's largest horse. You know what I mean? I've invented a horse. Which I... No, they exist. Wait, can I...

That's good, but the one that got me there was the armoured car. Cars weren't invented for another 400 years. That's how good this guy is. He looks ahead and improves inventions that don't exist. He's like, now I'm pretty sure broadband's going to be better than dialogue. Sorry, sorry what? He's pretty good. But there was biggest horse, you wanted to make a statue of a horse out of bronze, but it never got built because they had a berassi. I had to give away the bronze, not for a berassi. I had to give it away to the French to bribe them to not

intervene Italy. So they're like, here, have this giant horse worth bronze. And they're like, thank you. Thank you. We won't not invade. Which sucks because if you think about how valuable a giant horse of bronze made by Leonardo would be worth now. It would be worth way more. And just a bonus fact again again the world's largest horse statue was completed in Mongolia in 2009. Mikaabi Deva. I think it was the Mikaabi Deva. Trubius. That's right is Genghis Khan riding Mikaabi Deva in Mongolia. No it's Genghis Khan on a horse. It is 40 meters tall.

40 meters. Which is taller than Christ the Redeemer, the massive statue in Brazil. Wow. Why have I never heard of this? It's it's so big. It's one of because mainly because you've probably never been to Mongolia Matthew. I have never been to Mongolia. I need to Google that. Put it on the list. Yeah, add that to us just for the horse. It's impressive. But I feel nice. It's riding on his list. Leonardo's big horse. If you're a fan of the the original big horse, the Leonardo one, because five centuries later they finished Leonardo's horse. In the 70s Charles Dent, a United Airlines pilot, he wanted to complete the unfinished sculpture

so he set up efforts to organize finance to make the project happen. However, it proved to be more difficult than he originally thought. So it took 15 years for this pilot to put it together, and it was gonna cost $2.5 million US dollars to make it these days, and sadly, Dent died in 1994 before they could make it, but he was quite wealthy, so he left his private art collection to the LVDHI.

What do you guys think that would sound for? H is a horse, right? We had a Da Vinci, what LVDHI, what do you guys think that would say? H is a horse, right? We know the Da Vinci, what LVDHI? Yep, leave us a tissue. Horse in copper. This is horse in copper. Yes, we know Da Vinci's horse ink. Which is going to be the worst charity of all time.

Now guys, it's all right, a tax driver. So he sold his art, so we've got another million bucks for the fun. So finally into in the 90s Nina Akuma, an artist finished two full-size cast of the horse which was guess how big it was. Okay, is it really big? It's really big. It's huge on 50 meters.

No, it's smaller than the Kangus car. Okay, 10 meters. It is only 7.3 meters tall. Oh my God. So what a pretty big horse. I don't think there's real horses that big. Yeah. That's right.

This was Leonardo da Vinci seeing a genetic modification ahead of his time again. So, Saint Ganges Khan's horse, the 40 meter one, could literally step on. Yeah. He's a lot of pieces of shit. Little horse, who cares about? It's a vintage. you are a joke.

Stop wasting our time. But Leonardo da Vinci, whose name just means Leonardo of Vinci. It's not his surname. He did not have a surname. Right. I do not know that. So Leonardo of Caprio, is that true too? No, no, no, that's D and this is Da Vinci. I'm sorry. Sorry to say that It's great joke though great one. Oh wait, you said joke, but I was just a question. Yeah, I think I was just a question What is what is all right? You don't know all these things, but what is Leonardo DiCaprio mean? What does it mean? It means pretty good, but not good enough for an Oscar. That's what it means.

So Leonardo da Vinci was born out of Wedlock, controversial, in the town of Vinci, in Tuscany, to a wealthy lawyer type named Pierre O. And his mother was a peasant called Catarina. So his father married four times, Pierre O, and in his lifetime is married four times and was nicknamed Pimp daddy the Vinci It roughly translates as Pimp daddy of That's not true at all, but he married four times also. Well, that's not true Dave. Come on Pimp daddy of Vinci. I think back there. That's what they would have said daddy

I reckon but not much is known about Leonardo's childhood But he received an informal education. I love this informal, but the subjects he studied were Latin, geometry and mathematics. Pretty informal. Pretty informal. Just the three. Wow. So, um, which, if you want to have a genius child, it's probably the curriculum I reckon.

Yeah. Latin. You geometry, you maths. Yeah, Latin's pretty useful for sure. Definitely. So, which I'd paid more attention in Latin. Yeah, which I'd paid less attention in geometry and more attention in Latin. The only Latin I know is the saint's motto,

which is not have never heard it said, but it looks like it's pronounced 40th, quo, fiddlius. And it means strength through loyalty. Oh, I like that. My school motto was Ecclesia Filié, Daughters of the Church. Oh, yeah, it's a bit like that. My school motto was a warranted high school, so you came here.

I think that's true. Does Daughters of the Church mean the priest was your dad? No, not the priest. Daughters of the church being the community. The community was your dad. Yeah. Or mum. Thanks dad.

I'm also my mum's daughter, Matt. There's not a different word for that. I'll see how it works. Well, I don't. Where are learning here? We're all learning. So thanks so much. I'm sorry, everyone. I'm too reclined. Well, how can you do that? We're all learning here. We're all learning, so thanks so much.

Sorry, everyone. I'm too reclined. I feel like I'm too relaxed. No, but it's great when you just chuckle to yourself. It's very entertaining. I love it. And the best part is as well, like, I can't say Dave's mouth. It's covered by the work, but it's just his eyes,

which are very expressive. It's great. I've done a lot of expression with my eyes, which out there in podcast land, you can appreciate to the full extent, just Google Image Me and of expression with my eyes, which out there in podcast land, you can appreciate it to the full extent. That's Google image me and zoom in on my eyes. So sorry to get this stuff out. The big end of the day, please.

Do go on. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. At age 14 Leonardo was a apprentice to a renowned artist, Vorocchio. Imagine it was like the celebrity apprentice. This is sort of that. Just princess you're fired from art thanks Trump there's none of our apprentices these days especially to

become an artist no one apprentices to become an artist no because it's it's in your heart you can't teach it these days there's more of a three-step program step one you get a scuff two you start bringing coffee three you accept a life of poverty and sadness. I have all three of those things.

Am I an artist? You are an artist. Yeah. That's right, the unfulfilled artist. What is my art for? I did some stand-up at a spoken word night recently. Every other act was a poet. And I, and they said that what I did was also

could be considered art. What? I'm a shatter tea. The fact that they had to say that out loud doesn't turn out the gig went very well. It did not go very well. That was happy there, what he was trying was art. It did not. I asked him to try it.

I know exactly. What you could do is also be described, could also be described possibly a bit of art. It went more like this. It said it not comedy. From the stage, it was, I was getting a relatively quiet response and I said something like I'm pretty intimidated being here with all you artists and then someone said hey this is not a poetry heckler hey now now you what you're doing's out as well. Really?

I say good sir. I respect the art form. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No, let me return to my little jokes. I think we might be one of the shittiest art forms. I think we're only just above interpretive dance.

We are definitely above interpretive dance. Right? I'd hope so. But they take themselves so seriously that they probably know that probably is art stand-up Pretty seriously candy. I'm trying to think is it any art form that we are better than clowning now, but some of them are quite good. Yeah dammit but Still better than sport guys still

Need this Matt So Leonardo Leonardo Leonardo I need this man. We're better in sport. So Leonardo Di, Leonardo Di, Leonardo Di, Leonardo Di, Leonardo Di's workshop was exposed to an array of art forms. Mediums, he was exposed to metalwork, carpentry, chemistry, plaster casting, drafting, sculpting, and of course painting. And according to Fissari, who's the guy before that wrote about Raphael dying of hot sex. So I trust more than any other source I've ever read before now. He wrote that Leonardo collaborated with his master, Varocchio, to paint an angel holding a robe,

which was the style at the time. Leonardo was so superior to his master that Varocchio never painted again. Oh my goodness, which is maybe why there's no art apprentices anymore. The sick of being shown up. Actually, that story's not true because I read later on that they continued to collaborate later on in life. But anyway, Leonardo graduated the workshop and he was an accredited master age 20. What? Pretty good.

Accredited. So there was some sort of body that... Some sort of certificates? Yeah, right. I had zero qualifications at 20 I was like halfway through An art degree. I was an artist grade 20. Yeah me too. Oh God Look how far we've come I don't know if people are gonna remember us in 500 years His father Pimp Vinci

in 500 years ago. His father, Pimp Vinci, then set... Pimp Daddy. Pimp Daddy, pardon me, sorry, the correct title. Set up Leonardo and his own workshop. So really a bit of a sport brat there. Because his dad was quite wealthy, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah. You can know he's like having millions of kids with millions of what a Pimp, what a Pimp Daddy. At Nordstrom, you can shop the best holiday gifts for everyone you love, all in one place. You'll find beauty favorites, cozy presents, fun ideas under 100 and more. Like festive dressing for you in your home. Experience the magic at your favorite store. Or order on Nordstrom.com with free shipping and returns.

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You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time. Mycomputercareer.edu. Leon Arda then traveled all around Italy doing all these amazing things mentioned earlier, but he actually finished very few projects, especially giant equine statues. Before he was an ideas man, he didn't have a lot of execution. Because he lamented that before he died, that he never completed a single work in his own

eyes. On his deathbed they asked him if he was like a glass of water and then when he said nay, they thought he meant no, but he was in fact doing an impression of his giant horse. Oh, day. He died of dehydration. Oh, day. That's not true. That's not true.

When I wrote that on the computer, I laughed out loud. Very good two minutes. I was like, you know what? I deserve a chocolate milk. Yeah. That's a good one. That's a side of a good joke. When you write it, and you laugh, and then you read it a minute later, you still laugh it.

Yeah, this is going in. And then when it gets zero reaction from you, except for all day. That was pretty brutal, yes. Sorry. No, you said that, and I thought, yep, what I do was art. Yeah, I am an artist. Yeah Okay, so that's Leonardo. What about this Mona Lisa chick? What do we know about Mona Lisa? Do you only guess anything? No, I don't know anything about it. Is her name actually Lisa? Well, wait, what does Mona mean? Leonardo started I've got so many questions

Well, I've got answers to all these questions. Don't you worry. Leon Ardysad, a painting Mona Lisa, in Florence, in 1503, as I said before, he was 51. So, we've still got time to start our best project. Right. Sort of out. This is the most famous thing, started at 51. For a long time, there was extraordinary debate over who the woman in the painting was. Over time, people suggested,

hold the ray of possible subjects. Some people even suggested that it was Leonardo himself, a self-portrait in the painting. Most historians, however, believe the woman in the painting to be Lisa De la Giocondo. Do you think the fact that it is a woman in the painting, sort of suggests that it isn't a self-portrait? But then I'll... Hey, Matt, it's art. Sorry. I think the fact that it is a woman in the painting sort of suggests that isn't a self portrait. But that's not fair.

Right, Matt, it's art. Sorry. It can be a self portrait. OK, you know that. Maybe that's how he saw himself. Exactly. Right, OK, look, I feel like an art soul. An art soul.

That's right, if you do a lifetime of art. Oh, yes. Oh, no, I did so. But yeah. If you do a lifetime of Latin and geometry, you're going to be different. The difference is, Jess, you didn't write that on the computer and bring it here. Yeah. I thought of Latin and geometry, you're going to be different. Difference is Jess, you didn't write that on the computer and bring it here.

Yeah. I thought of it and hated it immediately. Still sip of my milk. Still sip of my milk. That was a great joke. So everyone thought of, a lot of historians think it's Lisa Del Giocondo, who was the wife of a wealthy silk merchant, Francesco Del Giocondo. But this wasn't confirmed.

Francesco of the Delaconto. Oh, Matt. Oh, Matt. Oh, Matt. But this, it wasn't. He just chuckles to himself. That's what I was doing at home. Yeah, no fear. But I have the decency to do that.

Leave that at the door. Please, Matthew. I've got some damn facts to get through you. So everyone thinks at least it does geocondyl right, but for 500 years people are like, nah, I'm pretty sure it's someone else and they can't prove it until 500 years later, in 2005, so not that long ago, 10 years ago, a scholar at the Heidelberg University in Germany found written. That's the gignobelberg here. Not Heidelberg, no. Wow. Oh my god. Go G-Gyreberg.

Yeah, put them on the map finally. We've got the Austin Hospital and now this. Now in Germany, Scholar found written by hand in the margin of a book printed in 1477. They found a note from Leonardo contemporary Agostino Vespucci that said Leonardo was currently working on a portrait of a woman called Lisa Del Giocondo and it was dated 1503. So there you go. The only reason that we know who the Mona Lisa is for sure is because someone 500 years ago vandalized an art book.

Thank goodness. Thank you. So next time you have the library, just write some notes in there and you can claim that you are changing the history. Yeah, I've asked. Next time I want to try and I'm just going to leave a little tag. Just, you know, Leonardo da Vinci is currently working on. It would be more like Dave Warnocki is currently working on a podcast called Do go on. Check it out at.

Do we know if Leonardo himself named the painting or did that happen later? So well the title Mona was given to it because Mona, also this is the English English translation, so in French it's known as La Joconde, which is La Joconde and Italian it's known as La Joconde, named after her last name, but it's called the Mona Lisa in English because Mona in Italian is a polite form of address, originating as Ma Dona, so two words,

M-A and then Dona, similar to Ma'am or Ma'am in English, and then this became Ma'Dona one word, like the artist Ma'Dona spells her name, and then it was contracted to Mona as a short form. So that's why it's called. And then people in English started just calling it Mona Lisa. Oh wow. So they just, I didn't know that.

And how long has the French called it the... La... La Chaconte. Yeah, how long is it? Because that is, is that the surname of the... No, that's the... So, in Italian, she spells her last name with a G, and in French, it's about with a J. There's no J in Italian.

But that's Lisa's surname, right? That's true. Yeah, it's true here. Lisa's surname. So, like, surely, that was a big clue as to who the painting was of, right? Well, yeah, that's what people were claiming, but you still couldn't prove it for a long time. So, it's its name for a long time though, and only recently that little note said, like I'm gonna say, just based on the fact that that's what it's been called forever,

that I believe it is Lisa La Fontaine. La Fontaine. La Chaconde, or La Chaconde. Francesco Giaconda, the wealthy silk merchant I mentioned before, Love on pain, lachakond or lachyokonda. Francesco Giaconda, the wealthy silk merchant I mentioned before, Lisa's husband. He commissioned Leonardo to make the portrait of his wife to celebrate his daughter Andrews birth and the purchase of a new family home so they wanted to make the painting. Why not paint your daughter if it's for her birth? I was just like, hey, good job. Anyway, no.

Maybe this guy can see in the future and be like, look, no one's going to give a shit about a baby. Yeah, people are going to care about my plane looking wife. With no eyebrows. There we go. Leonhard had no income at the time, which probably explains why he took the job. Because he was famous in his lifetime, people knew who he was. But he had to stop the job because he was given a more valuable commission.

So he was never paid for the work and never gave it to them. So they never got it. So they never even got it. And now it's like, hell of famous. Super, that freaks me out. Imagine if you got famous hundreds of years after your death, like just because everyone knows her face now.

Yeah. But in her lifetime, no one knew her face. But if that if it was given to them, it probably never would have become famous. Yeah, that's right. Because it would have just been in their private collection. No one would have ever seen it. Yeah, but like when she came back to life now, it would be super weird. But you're going to be mad too. That would be, wait, you saying it would be weird because you saying it would be weird because oh look I'm famous this is weird not a woman from 500 years ago has come back to life. Okay a bit of colon A bit of colon I think both of those would be equally strange. Wow. But then 1516 Leonardo

if you said this was like 13 years later was invited by King Francois the first to work near the King's castle in France So this is the king of France and it's believed that Leonardo took the Mona Lisa with him and continued to work After he moved to France. That's the controversy. He continued to paint it later on and He may have done it until two years before his death and he died in 1518 as said before and after he died Leonardo passed on 67 years old had a pretty good innings for the time. Not bad. The painting was inherited among other works

by his pupil and longtime assistant's Sally, S-A-L-A-I, Sally, who was also another person people claimed may have been the subject, because he was like a little assistant that went with him everywhere. And the King of France bought the painting of Sallie and kept it in a palace of Fountain Blue. I think I've just quietly nailed it.

Where it remained until Louis XIV moved the painting to the palace of Versailles. Because I've obviously probably heard of Versailles, the B famous painting. Been there. Versailles. Sorry, just a little. And it survived. Been there, Pellis? Sorry, just a little. And it survived, like. Been there. Mad have you also seen the stuff

that I've been telling you? I've seen it by the way, and yeah, I'm sorry. I saw it as I flew over. Is that can? The line was like two hours long, and I was like, I don't really care that much about this palace. I just looked around the garden, then I went home.

Yeah, I true. From the outside. Oh my goodness. A lot of those. I really should have gone in, but it was. Yeah, it's the biggest house I've ever seen yeah it is oh now a big sum would argue a palace well palatial palatial house it's bigger my house that's all I can't know by quite a lot I would at least double at least I'll prick my ear

up yeah hello should have gone in bloody goose I am you bloody goose Mona Lisa survived the French Revolution. It was moved to the Louvre after that. But before it spent a brief period in the bedroom of Napoleon. It's been given to Napoleon earlier. During the Franco-Prussian war, it was again moved from the Louvre to another place to keep it safe.

So it's been, it's seen a lot of shit. It's done a lot of stuff. It's been owned by some very, very famous people, that kind of stuff, but that's not why it's known to us today. It's known to us because of an event that happened in 1911. That's relatively racist. Only 104 years ago. So on August 22nd, 1911, so it was in the Louvre at this time, an artist named Louis Barou, an artist who did, he's own stuff, but he also copied other artists, working and sold them on the streets.

So we'd go into the Louvre, do a sketch and then sell it as a copy, because there was no photocopies in 1911, guys. Lead. Can you believe the more you learned? It's another head. Yeah, I was gonna say, he invented one. He'd already invented the scanner.

He'd gone one ahead. He's like, now I'm pretty sure we're gonna have a paper-free digital invention one. He'd already been at the scanner. He'd gone one ahead. He's like, no, I'm pretty sure we're going to have a paper-free digital age. One very deep-printed, he'd already thought of. What a guy. So he went into the Louvre, this guy, Louis Barout, to do a sketch of them. I only said a salad on the street.

And he saw where it's supposed to be on the wall. Four iron pegs were hanging. So it wasn't there on the wall. And he went to see a garden. He was like, hey, where's the painting? And I said, relax, man. It's probably just being photographed for postcards and stuff. So that's how they would make money. At the Louvre, they would make extra money at the time. They'll still do that. So he was like, it's just doing press. Don't worry about it. Copy something else. But this guy wasn't

satisfied with that. So he went away. He came back at the end of the day, and it still wasn't there. So he was like, to the same guard, hey, I don't wanna be that guy, but it's not here. So the guy was like, I'll go check with the manager of the gallery and, boom, boom, boom, it was stolen. Oh my God. It's a podcast you have to react audibly.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What, yeah. Oh, yeah. What had happened was former Lou Vwerker, an Italian guy called Vincenzo Purujiya. Vincenzo. Vincenzo with me, Matt. Vincenzo Purujiya. So Purujiya.

I think they pronounced their jesus essence. Purujiya. Okay. So anyway, Vincenzo, let's just go over that. Vinny. He had pulled off Vin Meister, had pulled off the greatest art theft of the 20th century, possibly of all time.

Now, when do you guys think of great art thefts? Or any theft? Bank robberies are kind of stuff. I think of Frederick McCubbin. Steely our hearts. Yeah. One panel at a time. One panel at a time. One panel at a time. But what do you think of, you think of them?

Do you think of, uh, Ocean's 11, yes. Yeah, Bang Foltz being broken. That's right, people cartwheeling through laser beams, dropping from the ceiling, doing all kinds of stuff. Three years of planning, blueprint, map, second stuff. No, no, that is not how Vincent Chenzo put it with your roles, right? He roles in a much more casual way.

On the Sunday night, the night before, Perugia had hid in a broom cupboard in the Louvre, knowing that the next day the museum would be closed, because it's closed on Mondays, shall we? He emerged on Monday morning, wearing a white artist's mock that he used to work there there in because he used to put glass on top of the people were like, hey, the art's not lasting along enough, we should put glass on all of them. So for a few months, it took thousands and thousands of artwork had to have

glass put on them. So he was that guy for a bit. Then he quipped, he kept his white art smock. So he comes out of the broom cupboard Discasual D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d Chuffed it down the front of his white art smoke did it up and walked out the fucking front tour And he was gone. That's amazing. He passed a guard station on the way out with the guard was getting a glass of water. Oh My god. That's awesome. Can you imagine what he would look like just hobbling down the street with a big canvas just stuff because it is painted on On wood. That's the thing about so he didn't just roll it up or anything. So it's painted on wood. So he's just got this solid sort of sort of 77 by 53 centimeters. Is she oil on wood? Yes. I think she's a watercolor. She is. I think pastel. She is a crayon.

Please, she has a name and it's Lisa Delgey, a conductor. Sorry. She made a crack. Please, she has a name and it's Lisa Delgey a conductor. Sorry, Lisa. Delgey a conductor. So Old Mate Vincienzo took it back to his apartment and Paris lost their shit. It was in the papers around the world, but here's how unknown it was at the time. Police had to circulate thousands of flyers with Mona Lisa's face on it, so people knew what you would look like if they saw it. So these days, if it got stolen, you would instantly be like, oh, that's Mona Lisa's face on it, so people knew what you would look like if they saw it. So these days, if it got stolen, you would instantly be like, oh, that's Mona Lisa, but

at the time, even in Paris, people not sure what it was like. And the Washington Post even published the wrong picture when they wrote an article about it being penned. So it's just not at the time. But you know what, if you walked into your friends' apartment now and they had a Mona Lisa, there you are. Yeah, but you'd just be like, oh, you've got, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, And meter by six meter painting on the other wall and you're a partner. Oh my goodness. But the loose, the loose, they felt like looses. They closed for an entire week. Administrators lost their jobs.

French borders were closed. Every ship, every train was searched for the painting. But at the time, it wasn't even that famous. Yeah, but people were pretty, because obviously, it's not that famous at the time, but Leonardo da Vinci was still a legend at the time. People are like, hang on, someone stole Leonardo, that's pretty annoying. A massive reward was announced for a safe return. Paris was devastated as new spread of the loss of this very famous painting.

Seriously, it's a painting. And all they had left was four iron pegs and the frame that it once hung in. Oh wow. Are these interesting? Police started questioning people about the painting. One of them was a Guayama Polenere and avant-garde poet, who, one of your mates, Matt, is an art critic who he coined the term cubism and surrealism. Pretty cool guy.

He's a friend to art, but he had also once claimed that the Louvre should be burnt to the ground. So his outrageous comments landed him in jail as being a suspect. And when he was in jail it became obvious it wasn't him, but he started pointing the finger at his friend, one Pablo Picasso. He was living in Paris at the time and they arrested Picasso. He was already successful at the time. Pablo Picasso's. He was already successful at the time. Pablo Picasso's house in Paris. I walked past it.

You go into any building in Paris. Do this walk past everything. And what did his house look like? It looked pretty good. I was like a townhouse sort of apartment thing, like a fully attached sort of thing. Didn't look very rich. No, he was rich during his last time.

That's right, he lived to be in his 80s as well. Yeah. And yeah, so when he died, he was estimated to be worth, he was over $1 billion. Wow. Then, like serious money. This one was a walking tour of Paris of the, whatever district that was.

Great, because it was a self-made man. When he was young, I read that he used to have to burn his canvases to stay warm at night. What? You never have money to pay for wood. Imagine what they'd be worse than out there. I know. Every time I go to the NGV, I always go to,

there's like one Picasso at the NGV, and I always go and have fun. We've been going on? Yeah, and I'm always like, sup Picasso. Sup Picasso, baby. I keep going. On this walking tour, I can't remember the name of that district. Anyway, the tour guide said that there's a story about Picasso that he used to just get free stuff based on his fame and so he

one time he had this big dinner and drinks and stuff when it came time to pay the check. He's like how about I just give you this drawing and the guy's like yeah that'd be amazing. He's like can you can you and the restaurant to I said you mind signing it, and he said, man, I'm just trying to buy the meal, not the whole restaurant. Oh! Smackdown! Yeah! And then he put all these sunnies

and rode off on a motorbike. Yeah. Yeah! I'm a castle motherfucker. Yeah! But he was about, so before, he lived to be an old man in his eighties and made a lot less good stuff in his 80s.

He was still making art and people were obviously thinking he was going to die and he's also very, very famous. But a lot of his art, he hadn't signed and they were trying to work out what was his and what was knockoffs of his. So they were trying to get him to sign stuff so people would often send him a painting. You'd be like, hi, I own one of your works. Can you sign it for me? And he got so sick of it that one day someone sent him a canvas And he's like, yeah, I'll sign it and he signed it Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times so that you couldn't see the image anymore And it was just blur of Picasso Picasso because and he ruined his own artwork. He's like, there you go

I bet you that's worth heaps now if I can Well, shit So we've got Perugia everyone's freaking out about It's made headlines, but then everyone thinks it's lost forever. So our thief, Finchenzo, is just a simple house painter. That's his other day job. Meanwhile, Lalo for two years keeping the painting just in a trunk in his apartment. So an after two years he decided to take it to Florence in Italy, back where he's from. And then he tried to sell the painting to an art gallery for what is worth $3 million

in today's money, which is a steal for the money, Lisa. And the deal was suspicious of it actually being real as you would be. So he got the director of the famous Ufitsi gallery, Florence, he's like, all right, I'll pay the money if it's real, but I'll bring over the director. This doesn't sound like a good idea. And of course, it was real in the director convinced Perugia.

He was like, yeah, it is real. Can you give it to me for safe keeping? Oh my god. Perugia was like, yeah, OK. And then the director immediately called the police. And Perugia was arrested. So there you go. No, Perugia.

GZ comes so far. Two years, imagine. Two years. So the painting was back. But you used a big new story across the world again increasing its fame look they've just for the listeners if you're gonna sell a super famous piece of artwork it's got to be on the black market no you can't get the director of the most famous gallery in Florence because what are they gonna do about yes you'll buy it will

put it up no one's gonna call me on it yeah I think France is gonna be pretty pissed so we're leaning out of DaVinci's master portrait returned when everyone was thought it was lost. And it did a tour of Italy and then returned to... Did a tour? Yes, the stadium tour. The stadium tour. Matt, you got to stop doing visual gigs. Look, I'm just seeing for you guys.

I love that. It's like the Mona Lisa Stadium tour with support from Van Go. So the first they bring out Van Go and everyone's like, it's pretty good. I think Mona Lisa comes out. Yeah! On call! On call! Oh my goodness I didn't think he was gonna bring out the last supper but he did. So it was back to the Louvre in 1913 and meanwhile Peria, he was like, no, I stole it for patriotic reasons. I'm not a thief. He said he wanted to bring the painting back to Italy after it was stolen by Napoleon,

which is definitely untrue because it was bought by the King of France 250 years before Napoleon was even born. So Perugia was like, no, I had good intentions. And even though we wanted a casual $3 million. So that kind of undermines that theory in my mind. People still debate about this, whether he was a good guy. He was put on trial, but the court kind of agreed that he did it for patriotic reasons. So they gave him a lenient sentence, and he went to jail for one year and 15 days. But he was hailed as a great patriot in Italy from bringing the portrait back home and he served only seven months in jail.

But you know what, I was going to say, I'll come on, but at the same time all he did was steal a painting. He didn't murder anybody. Yeah, still a year, that's the one time. Imagine being in prison and he's like, what are you in for? And you're like, still painting? You just get shanked. Oh yeah. Big time, you'd be someone's bitch. That is, that is like the pansy. Yeah. No, you guys forget. He was a he was a great patriot. Yeah. He would have been the king of that jail. Yeah. Just stealing some, a steal your painting. Good on him. Well, you know, the people that should have been thanking him were back over in Paris at the Louvre because before

the disappearance of the painting, it was hardly world famous and was only recognized by people in the art world that recognized because these days you go and see it, it's in its own room practically, it's got its own wall, but back then it was just, there was just in a room with dozens of other portraits, it was just any other thing, just another thing, 400 years later, she's finally hit the big time. Wow, so he kind of did a refavor Absolutely made it really famous because I can't believe before that like she wasn't that famous so that they had to print pictures Or it's just didn't know

Wow, and then the legend sort of grew so during the Second World War the painting was again removed from the Louvre taken to a Lot of art was taken to several shadows in the French countryside So the Nazis couldn't get it when they occupied Paris. I think this feels like every episode we should somehow bring up the Nazis. Because I feel like, I think they slot into any topic. I knew they were only minutes away. Every time I read about something on Wikipedia. Wikipedia it's an appolian or Hitler.

They're always involved. We've tipped both those boxes. We have. Contractually obligated as we are. Sponsored by an appolian. So, and then in the 60s, the painting, two word again, this time to America. Did you guys know this?

It went to New York City and Washington, DC. As when JFK was in power, and 1.7 million New Yorkers turned up to see it in the freezing month of February. So in one month, nearly 2 million people saw it. Then it went to Japan and Moscow 10 years later. And by this time it was being used in advertisements, it's put on fridge magnets on T-shirts. So the legend just kept getting bigger and bigger, a bigger more people recognized it until suddenly it's the most famous painting in the world. It's one of those things when a, you know, the cult gets so big. Now it's a hundred years later. We've all forgotten why. It got so big. It's like, you just sort of accept it. It's like the Beatles. Yeah,

they're the biggest. You just accept it. Yeah. You don't, like I imagine people in another 40 years look back at the Beatles and be like, sorry, why were they big? They just were, they just were, they were just the band. So that's what my anlysa. And it's time to put a price on something you can't put a price on. But you guys reckon it's worth, I'll give you a bit of a clue here. The most expensive painting ever sold, it's currently another French artist, Gogan. Sold in February this year do go again we should call the episode do go again

it was sold in February so sorry sorry yeah no no how you didn't get it oh Matt you come you come to my place here it's actually pretty good do go again it was great it's good anyway this go again. It was great. It was good. It was good. Anyway, this go again. It is better than that, yes. Do what? What about me? Dave. Okay, sorry about that. No. The most expensive painting you have sold is $300 million.

$300 million. Yeah, in February of this year. So that's sold. So Mona Lisa hasn't been sold for a long time. Mona Lisa is worth a lot more than that. I'm going to go a billion. Go for a bill. I'm going to go one hundred a billion. I'm going to say priceless. I'm going to say priceless. Well you would be right. It is priceless because it went to the USA in the 60s. They got an insurance quote on it and it was valued then at a hundred million dollars which today is seven hundred million

dollars. But they decided not to ensure it and they just spent more money on security. Yeah, that's awesome. Wow! Because you can't, because $700 million, if you go, that's like time machine money. Like, you would need, if it was destroyed, obviously you can't replace it. You would have to have enough money to build a time machine. Yeah, sure. Go back in time and stop the Nazis from coming to power. Do you think it'll ever go anywhere else? Like I think it has to stay in the loop. Yeah, no, they said now that they won't let it out ever again.

So Matt, you blew your chance. It's not coming to Melbourne next year. I've been to Paris three times, and I've never, it's just three times. I will, after this, after this lesson that I've just had here, I'm gonna go check it out next time. I was just wondering though, it's only famous because it was stolen, right?

Is the painting even any good? It's just like a portrait, I don't really get why that is amazing compared to millions of other paintings. Well, like any sort of art, it's a question for yourself. Yeah. Subjective. Do you enjoy the Mona Lisa?

Well, I don't think I'd look twice at it if I didn't know it was. I think it's very difficult to get rid of the hype and the cult following that it has. And subjectively, pardon me, objectively, look at it and go, if you did see that for the first time. Yeah, it's hard to know. Would you look twice or would you just move along the wall to the... Yeah, the big thing.

I play a game when I go to galleries where every room you go into, you can pick one, it's a great game. And you're right, I don't think I would pick her. If I walked into a room with, not even just the room that she's in with that 10-meter-by-six meter, but any room I'd just be like, yeah, it's fine, whatever, I'd pick something else. So great point, great point. But isn't that crazy because I just assumed that there was something I didn't get, but it sounds like it was just because it was stolen. Yeah, but I just know that. It's a chance, it's just a chance. It's actually quite recently famous in terms of how old it is.

Yeah, so only one fifth of its lifetime has been that famous. The big deal that is. I think this podcast should go real big. I think this is going to educate some people, and I think it's going to go viral. Okay, big call, big call. Big in 500 years. Yeah, that's right. When the technology no longer exists, so listen to it.

I'm just going to finish on this. In 2005, Dutch researchers from the University of Amsterdam ran the painting's image through emotion, recognition, computer software, and how people talk about one of the things people talk about is the Mona Lisa smile. Like, oh, what is that expression? She's God's very ambiguous. Different people see it different ways.

Not anymore. We know the stats. She. She is according to the smile 83% happy 83% happy 9% disgusted oh six percent fearful 2% angry Less than 1% neutral and thankfully 0% surprised Wait, like with all those other things less than 1% neutral and thankfully 0% surprised. Wait, like with all those other things, it wouldn't it be 0% neutral? How can you be? I know, no, less.

Point something, percent neutral, but 99 point something, percent not neutral. Anyway, look, that's just, I've just debunked that whole study there. It's almost like that study isn't, that scientific, the accurate anyway. It's almost like that study isn't scientific. The accurate anyway. It's almost like the waste of all of our time. Hey Jess, did you have a question?

Yeah, I did. Pardon me, yes, question. No, it's just, did Da Vinci have a family? Did he have kids? No. He was just a lone wolf. No, no, he was a lone wolf. And the only, because it's not much written

about his personal life there was just one time there was a rumor that he was in a homosexual relationship with another man and then at the time at the time which was he was in a homosexual relationship with another woman and that was controversial at the time obviously not very accepting 500 years ago, extremely religious to study, but then he was able to in quotation marks clear his name. Oh my god. But I'm pretty sure that he just wasn't a sexual being. Yeah, cool. Well, he had so much else going on.

Oh, he had too much of the time. Yeah, fair enough. No, that was just wondering if there were any other divinches out there. Sadly. And I think my favorite part of all of that, although, you know, that was fairly early and a lot of interesting things happened. But when he said he'd never finished or worked like in his eyes, nothing was finished. Nothing was finished. I wonder what else he would have added to the Mona Lisa, for example, like if he didn't feel that was finished or any of his other works weren't finished.

It's gonna put a hat on her. Just a bloody per... Ha ha ha! Fedora! Fedora and a cigar. Yeah! And like, scat too much. Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

I just think you wanted to finish that goddamn horse. Yeah, maybe. That does sound like a real... What a frustrating feeling that must be that you just feel empty. What a perfectionist. Yeah. So guys, that is the Mona Lisa. Our first thing I did go on.

Fascinating that was yeah I didn't know nearly any of that apart from the Ninja turtles. That's our first report we're gonna come back next week with Matt or Jess doing a report on another topic. If you had a good time share it around tell the peeps and we'll see you guys next time. Light is... Bye! Shed him, facts girl! At Nordstrom, you can shop the best holiday gifts for everyone you love. All in one place!

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