Two In The Think Tank - 101 - The Jonestown Massacre

Episode Date: September 27, 2017

The Jonestown Massacre was a tragedy involving a socialist organisation called The People's Temple lead by Jim Jones - in this episode we hear about the life of Jim Jones and what lead to the tragic events where many people died at Jonestown.Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodTo watch Matt's footy show, Footy Footy Foot: www.facebook.com/StupidOldStudios/Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Always drive safely. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of DoGo on My Name is Dave Warnke and I'm joined by Mats Chouet and Jess Perkins. Hey Dave. Hi Dave. Hello episode 101 Very cool. Have you have we all recovered from the

Synaticans of the live show last weekend Must have been I work out with the sore forehead after head batting in watermelon not once not twice but thrice and Still making absolutely no impact. Yeah, that was embarrassing. I had a really good angle and no one else in the room seemed to see this, but I saw Red Juice splurred out from either side. Tiji? Yeah, I can't tell if you're just telling me that you don't feel better, which is really nice by the way. No, I'm not being nice.

I genuinely saw a squirt. And I reckon from the watermelon, not from the humping part, the headbutt. Yeah, from the headbutt. Okay, good, good. And I imagine it would have just been a tiny little, you know, it would have just been a little squared out of tiny crack that you couldn't see after when, when, oh no. Well, my parents came around the next day

and guess who had water melon for dessert? Oh, yeah. Did you tell them what you'd done to it? I just said it was part of a live podcast and they didn't not ask any questions. As we've established, you mentioned the word podcast and the conversation instantly drives up. Especially from your parents who don't fully understand what a podcast is. So they're like, that's not. Anyway, this watermelon's pretty good.

How's your real job? Yeah, you'll never leave that for the podcast, will you? Right. That's just a hobby. Yeah. And I'm like, sadly, yes it is. Oh, I had dreams. I know. But we have a bloody great time and at the live show I must say I had one of the best Saturday afternoons I've had in a long time. That was really really fun and so many people came out and they were so warm and lovely. It was great. It was really nice.

Yes thank you to everyone for coming out and cheering so loud. They made a 100th episode feel very special. Yeah it did. It was really nice. It was great. Got to meet people. Yeah, that was really cool hanging around, chatting to people afterwards. I met a man called Bruce. That's not real.

That's made up. Bruce. Bruce, yeah. I'm finally getting up and just remembered his name. He was there. Maybe he was Barry. Oh, the two most Aussie nerds. Is that guy you were sitting with?

Yes. And with his kid. So he was there with his kid? So he was there with his partner and their two adult kids. And the son, I can't remember on Sam, I'm sorry, apologize about this. He got into the podcast first and then got his sister and then his parents in. And Bruce slash Barry. I think he has Barry now.

He, his partner was like, oh, you should listen to the podcast. I'll set you up. He likes the American Civil War, sort of his favorite history part of these, which for your documentaries and read some books about that. And so he wanted to start with the Abraham Lincoln episode Matt. Good episode.

Abraham Lincoln was, which shot. What? Sorry to say that spoiler by Lee, not Lee Harvey or Swolves. That's OK, supposedly. John Wilkes Booth and so he was like, oh great, I'll start with that. So he went for, he goes for a run with his dog and he was running with the dog listening to the episode and he's listening to the episode and we do our roundabout at the start, this part of the episode and he's like, just get to the podcast which I imagine a few people are saying right now, but

anyway, let me finish this. And we started talking and we started talking a lot about horses and he was like, oh, this is a bit strange, but he knows a lot about John Mook's booth and he knew that John Mook's booth escaped Ford's theatre on a horse. Right. And he was like, I must be that bit. We continued to talk about horses and it was only when he was halfway through his jog, you know, halfway, you know, a long way from his house. He realized that we were in fact talking about the my little ponies. He's one of the, he's one of the put on the wrong episode for him.

And he's introduction to the podcast was flying unicorn named my little sparkles or what no princess sparkles no fuck sparkle this my little no princess sparkles I reckon that is right but he did learn a lot from the the episode and he he now knows what a QD mark is that's right not of no where that was otherwise so there you go and they still came to the show and I appreciate that coming as a family unit. That's nice isn't it? No, nice. Because when you when you grow up, you know, when you're adult, you

know, do as much as a family, you know, just the family. That's not. That's not. It is. It is. I always did is for a special occasion. But what's not a special occasion? Let's just hang out. That's not. That is not. Do you know what I mean? That's nice. I think so. I think I miss my parents. And here they are now! And John, they've been writing in that corner all along. Anyway, let's do a report. Let's do a report. So, let me give you the 101 on how this show works on episode 101. Thank you so much for doing that. I thought about that in the toilet earlier. In the John. In the John. I thought 101. Is is that a saying give you the 101 yeah the 101 one one one. Yeah, it's the 4-1 one, isn't it?

No, the one welcome to maths 101. Yeah, but you like say what's going on? What's the 4-1 one? It's not 101 well You can have your time to shine a 300 in 10 episodes. Let me have this time. He is podcast 101 Yeah, that would have that's what you should is podcast what I want. Yeah, that's what you should have done. Do go one one I want. Well, that's fun. Let's drink some one I want proof pod. So that's how Americans talk about alcohol. Yeah, proof. I love that. Don't I? You're right. It's proof. Stop. Anyway, what we do on this episode on this episode on this show is a pick a topic often

listener suggested nearly all the time these days and one of us uh researchers and reports back to the other two and it is Matt's turn to do such a thing. Matt, I'm gonna start with a question. Do you say that? No and we always start with a question and here is the question. Hang on but now you both got to say that I want to say it and we always start with a question. Just as right Dave we always do. Sorry I forgot to say that, I want to say it. And we always start with a question. Just as right Dave, we always do. Sorry, I forgot that bit.

The question this week is, which single event led to the largest loss of American civilian life in the 20th century? Single event, so like speed dating nice. Yes. And over 28th mixer. Yeah. So single events, you wouldn't count.

World War one or mixer. Yeah. So single events, you wouldn't count World War one or two. No. And it's also civilian life. Civilian life. Okay, so and 20th century. So it wouldn't be the 9-11 attacks then. Exactly. Okay.

It actually the 9-11 attacks, it was holding that sort of morbid record until 9-11. Oh, right. Is it also a morebid event? Yes. Well, I mean, civilians are dying. Oh, okay. That means our listeners are going to enjoy it. Well, is it? But Matt will struggle to make it funny. Is it a natural disaster or a man-made disaster?

Man-made. Oh. Is it a bombing or some description? No. It might be obvious once we know it, but right now I can't think of anything. Even like Joe can, so it's kind of some description? No, it might be obvious once we know it But right now I can't think of anything even like Joe can't That's it. Is that time the tiger got out of there? It's got Masu. It's got massacre in the name. Is it a shooting? No Great was not a bombing of shooting so that's looking less morbid

But the word massacre is really putting me off here. Yeah, okay you guys might just not have heard of this potentially It's called the Jonesestown Massacre. Oh! Oh! Oh, shit, you're doing Jonestown! Whoa! Okay! It's really cool!

I definitely heard of this. I've put it in my Patreon vote before and it came second, so. Right. But people wanted it. People were commenting. Well, it's come in directly through the golden hat from a patron listener called Steven's Summer. Ah, Steven, great choice.

This is fascinating. Sounds like you are going to know more about it than me though, which is cool. No, maybe not more, but I'll remember bits and pieces as you go. It's fascinating, and so fucked, so our listeners are going to love it. Dave, do you know much about it? Not much. I've breased the Wikipedia article. Maybe one to twice but I've never seen a docker or anything like that so I'm very interested to hear all the nitty gritty

details. Well it was a Jones town was a settlement established by the People's Temple of Disciples of Christ a religious movement founded by a man named Jim Jones. The combined elements of Christianity and socialism, and it was in northwestern Guyana. That is absolutely right. Great. Cool. Anyway, so I'm going to go back and talk about Jim Jones, the man.

Oh, Jim Jones. Well, man, that's such an average name that he had to make a mark somehow. His full name was yeah, it's very average sort of name, Roxollet. James Warren Jones. Warren. Was a Jimmy was a. No good. Was born on the 13th of May 1931 in Indiana. His parents were James Jones, the World War I vet, not veteran. It made it sound like he was an... He was looking after dogs. He was looking after all those pigeons who won the MVC for animals. I think from when I could figure he was injured over there and he came back sort of, he didn't work when he came back.

And then his mum was Lynetta, Put put them who worked in a few different jobs Oh, she's making up for the terrible names of it. Apparently I've gone through a bit of Wikipedia has been one of the main sources of this episode, so you know asterisk but apparently Linetta apparently my dick is big You know when people just add the, like, little sentences like that in Wikipedia, uh, Jim Jones was born in.

My dick is big. Indiana 1931. That was the next sentence. Sorry, sorry. But, yeah, Lynette, uh, his mom reportedly believed she had given birth to the Messiah. Okay, well we all think our kids are the best, but let's go to the bathroom. So many people act that way, they don't they? Yeah, my son is the Messiah.

Yeah, when you're at the supermarket and someone's fucking up, and you're like, why can't they tell them if they just turned you and go, he's the Messiah. He's the Messiah. I can't yell at him and he has to go first on the slide, the playground. I can't yell at him and he has to go first on the slide of the playground Move aside I'm all I all these things when something something while like this happens I always wonder about like this history wasn't written down This was all written afterwards right so people go back and I I'm always a bit dubious on that so people go back and they add about a note about how big their dick is yeah, you know

I know about how big their dick is. Yeah, exactly. You know. I've already... At the time people weren't writing down about how big their dick is. Yeah. It's only after the fact. You look back in Rose Colourglass at the size of your genitals. Yeah.

You write it down. Big wiki fan over here. Alright mate. Basically we have this show. Big dick fan. Yeah, my obsession. J.C. your own genitals? No, with wiki. Basically we have this show Big dickie ver And yeah, my obsession J.E.K.E.R. own genitals?

No, with wiki Oh Dickie pittia Jones was born into the Great Depression Times are tough and the Shack he was brought up in Didn't have a bombing Yeah, well you get that way with Shack

Was he born in the stable? On Christmas Day? Yeah, yeah. I think another, another guy was born in a Shaq without bombing. Gary Bucy. Tough childhood, really tough. Jones found it hard to make friends with a child, but he was a strong student and a big read extensively about controversial leaders such as Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Mahatma Gandhi, Mao Zidong and Adolf Hitler. Mao Zidong is still funny. Still funny, never not be funny. Mao Zidong, what the fuck?

What were you thinking, Mao Zidong's parents? If you're saying surname, it's a dog. You can't win anyway, but don't make it something like, Mousie. A Z-Dong. I love the idea that his name is Dong. Anyway. Mousie, his first name is Mousie.

And his surname is Dong Mr. Dong Mr. Dong what would you call it like his nickname at school would be Donga? Donga I don't know if that's how it works in China. No, I'm be sure. Oh, I don't know. I'm not so different Donga can I borrow a buck? Need a sausage roll Etc etc We're right back there with him.

So Jones also became interested in religion at a pretty young age. In Aiba started taking him to church and around the age of... Hang on. Mum thinks he's the Messiah, but then Aiba has to take him to church. Yeah, I guess while with the mum. It's busy. I mean, why would you take the Messiah to church? I mean, who knows everything?

Yeah, that feels like a waste of everyone's time. Unless you're putting him up on the stage in the altar. The stage is so good. God, you have such a performer. Real showbiz. The open mic night at the church. Guys, we've actually got a special guest dropping in tonight. I mean, it's the Messiah.

He's seven years old. Two and a drop in. Jim. It's going to do five. Jim, get up here. So yeah, anyway, yeah, then I was starting to church around the age of tanny started visiting multiple churches in the small town himself He took in aspects of what the different churches taught and started preaching to other kids in the town His town was called Lynn by the way Lynn Lynn. Why has that spell?

LYN in Lynn Lynn by the way. Lynn. Lynn. Lynn. How's that spell? LYNN. Lynn. Short for Lynette. Lynette. The county's name's Lynette. Yeah. Lynn.

It's such a maybe the funniest town name I've ever heard. Welcome to Lynn. It's like a train station here, Melbourne called Dennis. Dennis for that is very good. That's very good. That's fucking love that. Dennis station. That was fucking good. I love that Dennis station right between Keith. Keith station Gary. Gary.

I'd be killing a town Gary if I have other chance. Right. Or can you get that chance? Thank you. Yeah, in honor of your podcast work, you get to name this town. We won't name it after you. You get to choose the name. Imagine a point now with us creating a new town. I feel like we've got all our towns.

Yeah, you know? Some like this, I mean. The Golden Age of Towns. The only way it would happen is if a new sort of resource was found, it doesn't somewhere in the like, it's the only way it will happen is nuclear apocalypse and we have to start again. But you want a different route?

That does. I mean, they make a different, they make new suburbs, like Caroline Springs was new. That's true. Yes. And then maybe if it got big enough, it could just be a town. That's true. Yes, that is true.

And then there's sort of offshoots of those. What would you like Gary's post code to be? Oh, Gary's got to be. The first letter is going to tell the first digit. It's going to tell us which state he wants it in. Oh. That's interesting, isn't it? Well, I was gonna be 69, 69. That's good.

Now that's good. Yeah, we're leaving that. Yeah, 69, 69. I know that's our official podcast number. You know, Gary. It's all about that bone. Anyway, some kids that knew, geez, that was a, I can't remember the last time I was reading a fist book. this is preaching at kids

And that's fun. Yeah preaching other kids but little bits from different religions, is that right? Right? Yes I wonder what his favorite religion is He was also kind of he was a bit anti-dancing and stuff like that He was preaching that preaching from the book of bacon anti-bacon. Yeah, he saw bacon. He was like no, no, no, I'm kosher. I'm not ever that holy shit That's a very that's that's that feels like it deserves after it a clever joke like that Yeah, but also not it's just yeah, it's also felt like because it's clever, but I also rolled my eyes. Yeah, it's one of those I see what you did there. Yeah, I guess it's clever but I also rolled my eyes. It's one of those two f's. I see what you did there and fuck you. I guess it's impressive but someone about it makes me feel like I wish you weren't talking right now.

Some kids... Some kids that knew him at the time later suggested that he was a really weird kid. That's a bother. The later suggested that it's funny how you look back on things. Alright, a rewriting history. It started occult. He was a weird actually. Now that I think about it, weird.

Are you sure? Weird, weird, that boy. That boy down there. That boy down there. He was a weird. Yeah, that was a very obsessed with religion and death. Apparently he held funerals for dead animals, dead pets, and possibly that's stabbed a cat to death once. Yeah, right.

And then had a funeral for it. Well, it's going to stop you and be like, that's not. No, it's not. He stabbed the cat. Well, I mean, this is, yeah, look, I don't, you know, this is such a weird story this guy. Some things is like, oh, is this guy good? And then other times you're like, oh, no, he's no good. He's a very confusing character. He's a weird. Obviously, you know, as the story goes on, you realize majority bad, but he seems to have some points.

You're like, You have a bit of sympathy for him, do you, man? No. Do you say the good in everyone, do you? No. I think everyone's got a really good in him. Not everyone. Mousey Don. Yeah.

Look, I don't know a lot about the mouse, but James's father was an alcoholic racist and some of suggested he had Ku Klux Klan connections. God, that was fun. Say that again. Ku Klux Klan connections. That was hard. A second time around. Ku Klux Klan connections. That's fun. Dave, have a go. That's fun, say that again. Koo-Cluck's clan connections. That was crazy. That was harder second time around. Koo-Cluck's clan connections.

That's fun. They've have a go, that's fun to say. Oh, I'm too afraid to say that out loud. Interesting point, yes, okay, fair enough. Jim clashed with his father about this. Jim and Jim. At one point, they did not speak for years off. His dad wouldn't allow a black friend

of Jim's into the house. His parents split up, and Jones moved to Richmond. Also in Indiana. There's a rich man everywhere. Where he had a chance to reinvent himself. There he worked at a hospital where he met a nursing student named Marceline Baldwin. He's reinvented himself as a doctor. Hey guys, I'm a doctor now. Wait, forget I said now. We've never seen you before, so that's a bit weird. It's a bit weird.

Forget the now part. Always, I've always been a doctor. I've come from Lynn. Hi, I'm a doctor always. As always, I'm still a doctor. Can I have a job? As a doctor? Hello, one doctor is

here as me. Hello there doctor me is here. Alright doctor me can you feel that these forms? Yes doctor me Ken. So sorry bad him he did meet so I'm with a fantastic name I was going to be Marceline Baldwin. Marceline. Or maybe, Marcy. Marcy, yep, great. That's better. Marcy Don. Marcy Don.

That was a friend's call to. Jones graduated early from Richmond High School in 1948 with honors. No, so could he just said, I'm graduated now. I'm graduated. Okay, now. Oh, shit, fuck. The following year, he married Marceline

but a Marcy Baldwin while studying at Indiana University in Bloomington. Why are you in such a rush? You know? I think he just date for a while. You got so much growing up to do. Christian people definitely. He was going to say he's highly religious. In 1951, Jones attended Communist Party gatherings in Indianapolis, publicly supporting communism at that time led to a pretty negative attention from the FBI. Yeah, that's a bad, a hard time for you to have those views publicly. He was becoming frustrated with the ostracization of open communists in the US.

This led to Jones asking himself the question apparently how can I demonstrate my Marxism and his thought was infiltrate the church. Sure, okay. Use the church. Use the church. I'm in the church now. I mean always. Hello, it's me from church.

I mean, does he think he's the Messiah at this point or is he's mom doesn't? I think that really feels like to me that was just this weird one line thing about his mom I shouldn't have mentioned it to be honest. No, shouldn't I throw him weight behind it? It's my favorite part me too me too You really struggle to impress us beyond that Jones got a job as a senior as a builder Carpenter That's beyond that. Jones got a job as a senior, as a builder, carpenter. Come on. So he's not the idea.

He's like, he wants to do be a socialist or whatever. He's in a socialism. The communism is on the nose. So he's thinking, I'm getting in the church, right? And he got a job as a student pastor at the Somerset Southside Methodist church. He found frustration there as the church, right? And he got a job as a student pastor at the Somerset Southside Methodist Church. He found frustration there as the church leaders prohibited him from including black people in his mass, and in time he left to branch out on his own. So he's not racist, so that's something.

He had been interested in some evangelical preachers that he'd seen, especially those who performed those faith healing ceremonies, noticing that they were able to bring in a lot of people and also their money. That's what he noticed. Also, what most of those faith healers notice and why they do it, one can speculate. I guess he's thinking about the church as a way to I guess he's thinking about the church as a way to forward his political ideologies, right? So he's thinking, you know, that's a classic political party. You need money to better your cause or whatever. Don't you think David would be a really good faith healer? Yes. Let me hear you! Razalod!

You've just got so much charisma. I believe. You'd be like, you know, the ones that you see sometimes, their little boy, little boy healers. That's who they go and say. I have seen those. You're thinking about, it's interesting. You've got the best of both worlds.

The boyishness and charisma. Yeah. Thank you. And also, you know, you can drive legally. You're an adult. Also, you own a car, so you can get from place to legally. You're an adult. Also you own a car, so you can get from place to place. It's a big three, you're a triple third. That's M missing what I see who is central part of that, which is the faith.

Faith, yeah. I don't know if that's the right question. Oh really? Great, so I don't need healing pay hours. How do you feel about money? I love it. How do you feel about acting in a way that, you know, maybe people don't realize that you're full of shit?

It's a prank. How do you feel about prank? Oh man, you're at the end of the episode. Yeah. At the end of the sermon, you've all been pumped. Woo! Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to ignore that last fight. Oh, I'm going to ignore that last fight. And then We're getting my car in trouble. But just don't do that last bit.

Just ignore that last fight, yeah. Oh, I'm gonna do that last bit. And then you're gonna keep some cash. How do you feel? I feel great. You on board? Yeah. Okay, great.

From the 11th of June to the 15th of June in 1956, Jones held a big religious convention in the K-Daw Tabernacle, which is a large hall in Indianapolis. That is an incredible name for a hall, and I would love to play that venue one day, even if it still exists. He booked a... Let's do a live show, man.

Tabanacle. The Kadel Tabanacle. Live with the Kadel Tabanacle! Let's do it. The do-go-on podcast. Wanging that line. What? Pounds.

So you mean, because that doesn't sound like you, do you mean we'd be big enough by that stage for somebody else to announce us? Yeah, no, I'm playing that main pound. So you mean, because that doesn't sound like you, do you mean we'd be big enough by that stage for somebody else to announce us? Yeah, no, I'm putting on a character that I'm making us look nipple-e-pull-e-pull-e-pull. Let me walk out to a crowd of four people in the spirit bar. It's a big hole.

That's a big hole. But I think Indianapolis is where Letterman's from, isn't it? Maybe he could be involved. I'm sure he would. I'm sure he. That's perfect. Maybe he'd be able to introduce us.

He loves podcasts, especially this one. So he wanted to fill the hall. It's a big convention, five day convention, but at this stage he's not a big name. He needs a big name act. David Letterman. Funny, you say that. So he booked a big name, pretty much known as Oral Roberts. Oral Roberts. Apparently. He just would love that. So he booked a big name preacher known as Oral Roberts. Oral Roberts.

Apparently. He just would love that. That was his stage name, I wasn't his real name, but anyway. Oral. Oral. It's real name was hand job Roberts. He just had a few days. Head job. No, I don't like it. Doesn doesn't roll so Oral or all that rolls up or is also just a strange sound. Oh, or all anyway. It's a great name Um, it's not it is You're right. It's not I don't know why why am I trying to convince someone or all no, it's a beautiful name This preacher from the 50s not a yuck sound It sounds like you're choking us. It's like, awww. And it would be... It's dry wrecked.

I imagine Americans probably pronounce a oral. Aural. Still gross. Let me try it. But that's a different word. That's a oral. You've gone from mouth to ears and one mispronunciation. That changes everything. Oh, roll. The momentum he gained after pulling off this big event gives you to get the crowds meant that he could now launch his own church, which is what he did.

How does one launch a church? What? Big event. What you do, you get all of Robots. You do a five day convention. We've just heard the 101 to how to start a church. But how do you like, do you build it yourself? Do you find a property?

You feel in a form online, I think. And then you just turn an empty room into a church there. There's church now. It is now blessed. Oh, church now. This is my living room. Nope, it Oh, church now. This is my living room. Nope, it's my church now. Sorry, church now.

At first, he called it the Wings of Deliverance. It sounds like a horror film. It sounds oral. But eventually, had a few name changes, eventually became best known as the People's Temple, which is short for the People's Temple of the Disciples of Christ. Too long, People's Temple is fun. People's Temple. People's Temple. The church was racially integrated in a time where segregation was still common. He was becoming a more prominent

community figure also in 1960. He was appointed as director of the Human Rights Commission by the Indianapolis Mayor. That's a big job, right? Yeah. Human Rights Commissioner, it's a well trusted guy. Despite the mayor asking him to keep a low profile, Jones went hard seeking out lets his views on radio and television. He sort of saw as a chance to get his name out there in the name of his church and his beliefs and whatnot. According to the trusted source of Wikipedia,

through this time he helped get a really big dick. See, we just see me think of that like midway through a word. I'm like, I'll probably have to... That was seamless. It's done it again. Actually so impressed. But do you see the thing with the joke? Is that it's like it's funny, but it's not funny. No, it's not good.

I didn't want to do it, it just felt like a hat to. You had to. I felt like a hat to. You did the right thing. As soon as I said Wikipedia, I had to do that. Yeah. No one feels good about it. No, I'm fine.

People at home are going, we don't feel good about it. Yeah. I'm like, I loved it. Yeah, we know, man. Call back to a dick joke I did earlier. There's no higher praise. But apparently, according to that great source, he helped rate Shelley, integrate churches, restaurants,

the telephone company, the police department, a theater, an amusement park, and the Methodist hospital. Wow. So he was making big change in Indianapolis. When swastikers were painted on African-American family homes, Jones walked the neighborhood, comforting locals, as he went around. He also...

Okay, that's very nice, but just take a bucket of paint, mate. Yeah. Just slap on screen over the top. That's it, hey, I'm here for you. Okay, cool. All right, mate. Get your hands dirty, mate. Like, what's it, that's it. Hey, I'm here for you. Okay, cool. All right, mate. Just stop by my mouth. Get your hands dirty, mate. Like, what's the... I mean, it's a...

Sure, that's nice. Go visit and say, hey, this sucks. Really sorry about that. No, no, it does. That's a really awful thing. But you're not being that useful. Just quick roller, some paint, done, fixed. They're never untapied. No, I think it's... It's nice. Yeah, that's right. You wouldn't do that.

There was community backlash for his work in in racial integration His temple was graffiti death threats were made and even a dead cat was thrown at his house. No, he just killed that cat There was so yeah, I feel like I forgot I forgot that. I was like wow he's gone through a great period of his life He did kill a cat. Well, yeah, that's gone through a great period of his life. He did kill a cat. Well, that's some say. Some say. I mean, this is all some says. I wasn't, to be honest, I wasn't there personally to see any of this.

Well, as we get to more of it, I think it's more than a cat that he's, um, yeah, but that's not possible for cat. How far, close, you have to get to the house before you can hit it with a cat. It does seem like a weird, yeah, so far. I mean, you'd have to get close, or you're a hit it with a can. It does seem like a weird, yeah. It's a fun. I mean, you'd have to get close, or you're a really good throw. Imagine if you threw it in your mist, you had to go and pick it up.

Throw it again. Oh, yeah. No, shit. You throw it and go, oh, fuck, and just speed off. Yeah, because that's gross. Oh, you're basically them in the car. Yeah. I imagine them just on foot.

Oh, they've walked 3K holding a dead cat. No, no, they're in with a mountain bike with a basket on the front. Oh yeah. Dead cat basket. And then what do they use it for when they don't have a dead cat in there? Oh it's always got a dead cat in there. They've always got someone to throw a cat out. It's always someone. In night. They're never use it for groceries. Never. No no they've got a grocery box on the back. Ah! Yeah, yeah. When that isn't full with cats, then they, they go, oh, better go get some groceries.

And kill some more cats, I'm out. Yeah, because they bring one up into the basket anytime, sort of like them, sort of reload in the gun. Yeah. With a dead cat. Slowly riding around the street, spring in the bell. Everyone, yeah. In a really slow, menacing way. It's got a little nut. It's got a nice, it the streets ringing the bell. Everyone yeah.

It's going to really slow me in a sing-way. It's got a no-bussy bell. Yeah. Here comes the Deadcat guy. Yeah. In 1961, Jim and Marcy became the first white couple in Indiana to adopt a black kid, who they named James Warren Jones Jr. So those James turns the third. JWJJ. There's so many names out there. Thousands. You can even make it up. You could call him ORL. That's a made-up name. That's a made-up name. You're gonna have ORL. We're gonna have a listen to it now being like, my name is ORL.

We have a listener tweeting now being like, my name is Aurol. Well, you sound like I'm dry reaching. Aurol, Aurol. It's a beautiful name. Sorry, if you are listening in here. Aurol, Aurol, Aurol. Know that you're loved and change your name. You have our support.

We are here for you. The couple adopted many other children also. Joane stated that integration is a more personal thing to me now. It's a question of my son's future. So do they only adopt the one, like, a kid and then the others will white? No, he called it his rainbow family. That's all his kids were very diverse. I was worried that it was like you know tokenism for a very diverse brood. Jim the third you know just like no look we go on that would be no good.

No that's right then this Jim Jones guy sounds all right. Atonement for killing that cat one time as a kid. All right. It was a report. There yeah, it was around in this middle part where I was forgetting who it was anyway. In 1961, the Jones is relocated to Brazil. They were seeking a possible new location for the church. There was some fierce growing of a nuclear apocalypse. It's sure.

Dave mentioned earlier, I think. In 1963, the family started working with the poor and Rio slums, but later that year they received word that their temple back home in Indiana was struggling without his leadership so they returned home. Yeah they were basically they were looking at a way out and you think like knowing more stuff you wonder like he was trying to escape from something I'd trying to get away from those cats the cats Marry the law stop playing something

Why why was he so keen to leave America he'd say cuz it worried about nuclear apocalypse Which would be I guess the Cold War was that what was going on there? Yeah big stuff with the Russia in America, so I mean so Brazil., I guess that would be, that would make some sense, but what he does soon would go against that. On returning home, Jones told his followers that the world was about to be engulfed by the nuclear war, predicting the specific date

of July 15th, 1967. I never get the, they happen all the time, people go, was this exact time? We've got a big cult here you guys all believe me so I can say this and you'll believe it Don't I mean why be so specific? Hmm say I've got a feeling it's coming. It's I'm getting a sense. It's gonna be in spring not sure what you yeah soon though, but you go but exact date that date comes and goes and everyone's like What the fuck yeah, and then you go oh I'm getting a new message. Yeah, sorry. We got past that one Yeah, yeah, we do that thing. We yes. I'm getting any message and this one includes a poo emoji

So this guard is pretty up with the times and upset Pill emoji up with the times and upset. Pretty pissed off. That's good stuff, Dave. Thanks. I thought it was quite good. That's your favorite emoji. I'm not a big emoji user. That's disappointing. Matt, do you have a favorite emoji? I like using the angel face from attending. I'm a little angel. The one I like is the your face from attending I'm a little angel. The one I like is the blank face. Yeah that's very you. Yeah just when something is a little bit like surprising you can really show that. That's funny because that's quite you but then my favorite one is like a little smirky face too which is quite appropriate isn't it? Yeah. Just like I say something a little bit smarter and then I just send a little and Dave's was a little angel the angel. Yeah, I say something a little bit smarter. And Dave's was a little

angel the angel. Yeah, it's very appropriate. Anyway, so he's talking about this apocalypse right. And he's moved back to America. He's moved back to Indiana and he's telling him like we got to do something. And then the exact date not an exact date. Spoiler alert, it doesn't happen. Sorry. Storytelling is a sorry, sorry, I was storytelling is a bit off there. I was worried for Jim Jones. You just don't know how to build suspense. Sorry, fuck. I was like, yeah, the way I build suspense is don't check the date. This didn't happen 50 years ago. It just hasn't got there yet. We're still not in 1967. That's how you do it. You go, oh, I just, where you had the dates wrong?

No, I mean by like society's calendar. Yeah. I meant by... That's actually a wicked way to get out of it actually isn't yeah, not your human calendar Patriarchy does it again blame the patriarchy good out Works every time so he was saying this this apocalypse is gonna lead In a positive way to a new socialist garden of Eden on earth When call on our apocalypse, I'd call it...

What'd you call it? Probably a garden of Eden on earth. It's very catchy. It is harder to yell that while running through the streets. How did it market that too? So to get away from the threat of the nuclear apocalypse and they were in India, Indianapolis in America. So obviously in the line of fire.

So he said to be safe, we're gonna move to California. Right, to a more populated area. That makes sense. I mean they did, they went out to North sort of country, California, but still. I feel like you're moving closer to where anyone, if they wanted to bomb a US city. Yeah, we're talking nuclear. There's a pretty big footprint on those things.

Yeah, they're huge. Anyway, I found that to be a little bit inconsistent. Up until this point, Jones wasn't really open about his social side deals when he preached, but he started talking about this more in his sermons. He's been quoted as saying, those who remain drugged by the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment, socialism. I think I'm hoping that he's spoken a started way because I lost my spot on the page. See, he was quite charismatic as all cult leaders are, so probably not.

Have you seen him? Yep. Always wearing sunnies. He looked a bit like Elvis. Yeah. Really? Big Elvis suns on the side. Yeah, late Elvis.

Big fat Elvis. Oh. No. Yeah. Not slim Elvis. Not hot Elvis. Not certainly not hot Elvis. So medium Elvis.

Medium Elvis. Yeah. With a big Elvis. Pre-jump suit. But post. Jailhouse Rock. Jailelves, yeah. With the classic. Pre-jump suit, but post. Jailhouse Rock. Jailhouse Rock. Perfect, yes.

Great. Well done. He would soon begin deriding traditional Christianity and calling the Bible a tool to oppress women and non-whites. Oh, okay, he likes women too. Yeah. He's a socialist. I like this guy. He believes everyone's equal. Is that what socialism is Dave?

In a way. Great. Do any of us know? In a way. Can we ever really know? It's more of an economic thing, but yeah, but if everyone is true to equal, yeah. He's in theory. Yeah, because that obviously links in a communism stuff and that is you know can be misused with saying in the past sometimes there are some examples of communism going a r i uh...

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Is Gandhi dead yet? Yeah, he died said I was a Messiah, so. It's gone, he dead yet? Yeah, he died, I just go to. Not now. No, but when he's, when he's looking, I'm a, it's not me saying, I'm a reincarnation of George W. Bush. Hang on. I got called a Celiopocola Tribute Act.

And I was like, well, she's not dead. I can't really be a Tribute Act. Oh, no, this Tribute Act that, you know, there's a Bon Jovi Tribute Act, I'm saying. The Kiss Tribute Act a tribute. Oh no, this tribute accident that, you know. There's a bond-jervic tribute accident. That's true, but I think. The Kiss tribute act, Kirstroya, believe it's cool. But Kirst aren't like still getting hate, are they? I do a bit.

I was in the news this week that if you spend, I think it was $32,000, Gene Simmons will come and hang out with you at your house for two hours. Okay, well that's a new Patreon goal. That's so sick. Gandhi died in 1948, so that was 20 odd years. Sorry.

Oh thank goodness. Otherwise it would have been weird if this guy told a lie. Yeah. If you can't believe what he's saying, a former follower of the temple named Hugh Foughtsen Jr. See that's a name. That's a bloody name. Now we're getting somewhere. I've got a friend at work whose name's Hugh

and I put it into sentences all the time. I guess, I think Hugh. I'd like to hear a second sentence. Ha ha ha ha ha. Hugh, piece of shit. Oh, very good. Very well. Very well played.

So Hughie was quoted as, quoted a James is saying saying what you need to believe in is what you can see. If you see me as your friend, I'll be your friend. If you see me as your father, I'll be your father. For those of you that don't have a father obviously. If you see me as your

savior, I'll be your savior. If you see me as your God, I'll be your God. And Rickian Glacier says, Hey you, I can be your Savior. If you see me as your God, I'll be your God. And Rickian Glacier says, hey you, I can be a hero. Yeah, he's doing everything. Like if you see him as your barber, well, he just whip out the scissors. Like what's going on?

If you see him as the janitor, I'll mop your floor. If you see him as your chauffeur, where do you need to go? I'll get you there. I think there's anything he won't do. Can he do anything? Yep. But he won't. Can he do anything? Yep. But he won't.

I was confused by that one. The church grew quickly after moving to California with new temples opening up in many different cities including in San Francisco away from the they set up in a little country town. And he became more prominent politically. He was appointed by the mayor of San Francisco as the chairman of the San Francisco Housing Authority Commission. Jones was different from most cult leaders as he was able to find public support from prominent politicians in this way. Like people would publicly go where I'm bored with this clearly

cult leading guy. Vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale even publicly praised the temple. His star was continuing to rise. But with the extra public praise came increased visibility and scrutiny. In the summer of 1977, reporter Kildef, was set to publish an expose. This expose was to include allegations from former followers that they were emotionally, physically and sexually abused. Those are the three worst ones. Yeah. And so this is about to come out right.

They found out about this exposé's imminent release though. So Jones along with many hundreds of his followers decided to head to the church's compound in Guyana, South America. How good's the word exposé though? It's great. Included twice for that reason. Didn't need to use it both times.

Probably didn't need to use it at all. So they just do recap. They've had to move because of an expose. Yes. I hadn't said it yet and I wanted to. It is a good word to say. An expose. So they just had to come out.

Immunately. What was the expose? Expose, I was imminent. Mm. And so they looked, it just ran away. Basically ran away rather than staying gone. Now it's bullshit. So that's always a good move, isn't it?

Yeah, guilty people, definitely don't do that. I do do that. Kilti fear they've got no rhythm. I don't do that. They do have rhythm. All the way down to South America. Chancho in the hallway. We went in a little dance there, didn't ya?

Little dance. We'll make little dance. This new settlement was named... Jones Town. By Jim Jones. Fuck. He didn't call it a coincidence. He didn't call it Greg.

I would've called it Greg Town. Greg Town. Marie is what you were calling your town before. Oh, but yeah, this town. This is Greg Town. Yeah, this is a different thing. Named by Jim Jones. But none of our names would work to name a cult slash.

Can you tell you about Dave Town? That's awesome. No, it's not. But no, he's gone off this would work to name a cult slash. Can you tell you about Dave Town? That's awesome. No, it's not. But no, he's gone out of this city. We want to keep town. It'd be Warnockyville. Warnockyville. That's good.

Stoopia. Stoopia. Stoopia, that's good. Stootan. Stootan. That's cute. Perkins Island. Woo!

You get a whole island. I do love the ocean. Stuten! That's cute. Perkins Island. Woo! You get a whole island. I do love the ocean. A small one. To be good by it especially. Yes. Um. Uh, Joinstan was a project of Joinstan's

He'd had it running for a little while. It was like an agricultural sort of spot that he had out there for a few years. And he's been quite a dissaeng saying around this time, I believe, where the purest communists there are. And he sold this settlement to his followers as a socialist paradise, though he did not allow members to leave. Like a lot of paradises.

Yeah. Paradox. Well, why would you want to leave? Yeah. It's paradise. Jonesown is where Jones started talking about the translation, which was an idea that he had where he and his followers would all die together before moving

to another planet to live in bliss. Right. How do you move after death? It's a tricky one. They should have moved first. Yeah, well that dead weight is a lot harder than that. But we don't actually even need to die then do you just move? Yeah, mate. I'd be a great hot leader. You already have moved to Guyana. Forty-keyville.

So corner-kiffy Probably skip the death polarikin. Yeah, each to their own. Okay. Some ex-fellows with family in Joinstown banded together to form the Concerned Relatives Group. They traveled to Washington, DC, capital of America. Dave. Oh.

Tadeel. Dave's been learning all the states and capitals, haven't you, Dave? Not the capitals yet, just the states. Whenever we were mentioned, Wes Howard is. Oh, that's good. I imagine that. i watched him play this he has an aponnes phone and we'll find that from cindy i watched him test himself with all say it was very what are you test on based on where they are in the

country of the where they are yet right what's the top one top top left hand corner washington did you just lost i i just lost to someone who isn't even playing the game. Literally the only one I know. What's the next door? I got no idea. Paul and Oregon. No that's below. Fuck. But that's close. That's something. It's Idaho. Idaho, the Spuds Club. I used to wear a t-shirt that was, it had a cartoon of a potato lying on a banana land with those, those glasses that Kanye West used to wear with the plastic slats across him.

Just kicking back. And it said Idaho Spuds Club. I have no idea what it meant, but it was one of my favorite shirts. What color was it? It was white. Oh yeah. The singer from Body Jars on the back at a festival one time. That's cool.

It's very cool. Did you ask him to it? He That's cool. It's very cool. Did you ask him to it? He just did it. He just did it. It was a wild time back then. We were living on a commune. You look back and the singing from body charges

marking people with a sharpie. Hey, stop that. This is my favorite shirt. It's my wedding dress. How are you riding over there? Why are you here? Why are you on my wedding? Yeah. Yes. Are you riding on me? Why are you here? Why are you on my wedding? Anyway, so they traveled, the concern, relatives traveled to Washington DC to list their

concerns. So the people that are worried about their relative in the cult in the drama? Yes. They're sort of trying to get Congress to take notice and go, you know, there's a big bunch of American citizens who were really worried about, can you help us outright. And then they got the attention of a Californian congressman named Leo Ryan, who took their concerns on and he wrote a letter to the guy and he's Prime Minister Forbes Burnham, another great name. Fuck yeah. Burnham.

So you sort of wrote that on behalf of the relatives. In late 1978, skipped a little bit further ahead. Ryan is flying now to Jonestown on a fact-finding mission with the intention of investigating the allegations of abuse by Jonest and others. He traveled with people including relatives of followers, journalists and an NBC camera crew. So you've, this is like we're getting close to the action, I guess. The journey took many days, including a two-day stop over in the Gioneys capital of Georgetown. Once arriving at the settlement, Jim hosted the group, apparently they got a limo ride

to the to the to Jones town. Can't help but notice that Georgetown is very similar to Greg town. Okay, I did not even notice it. Yeah, George sounds quite a why we just were given that away. We seemed like we're okay with Georgetown. In my head, you're not obviously you brought it up. But yeah, Georgetown. There's there's a Georgetown in America as well I think. Who are the Georgetown Hoyers? I saw a t-shirt And the singer from body jar There's so many t-shirts and so many interactions with the singer from body jar. He's stalking you Generally had a George tan Hoyer shirt. I don't I don't know what it means, but there was a bulldog on it

Where do you get these shirts if you don't understand what they are? Yeah, what's going on? I don't know. I can't remember. I just appear. That's weird. You get it from Georgetown and Guyana. We're probably, you know, op shops or thrift shops. Thrift shops, sorry. Sorry, Mac or more. So once, so they got the limo to the pavilion and then Jim Jones hosted the group in a and there's something you know at the so I got a limo at the pavilion yeah I got a limo I don't know if that was from the airport I guess I mean it is a congressman as well so maybe that's just how those guys

travel right and he's trying to look like he's not bad shit crazy so he's like yeah come on in a problem be a guest it's fun yeah so anyway they're hosting there in the Come on in, no problem. Be a guest. It's fun. Woo! Gotcha. Yeah, so anyway, they're hosting there in the Pavilion. An all of a sudden. Temple member Don Sly tries to attack the congressman with a knife.

Oh. Don. He's thwarted. Not so sly. Who thwartes him? Uh, he's thwarted by the posse.warts him? He's thwarted by the by the posse Great. So is he traveling with like some he's traveling with with FBI types to be security

No more questions um, so the idea the congressman's going I'm leaving anyone want to come with me Right because they're rushing off. He's just had a stabbing attack. He's like, who's coming with? Right. So to the to the cult members. The cult members, you don't know why I want to be here. Let's get out of here. And 15 of them came with. And Jones didn't stop with that. 15 out of a lot. A lot. Yeah. Hundreds and hundreds. And he didn't, he didn't, I suppose you couldn't stop him. He couldn't stop. In front't stop the congressman exactly that's right although When the group were boarding the planes there was a couple planes that were flying home on Jones's armed guards arrived on a tractor and started shooting at them my god One of the temple members one of the 15 who came with them also pulled out a gun and started shooting

Back at the tractor or at the others on the plane. So he's sort of pretend to, that he wanna go back here. Five people were killed including the congressman, the temple member who was trying to leave, Patricia Parks, NBC journalist Don Harris, NBC camera operator Bob Brown, and newspaper photographer Greg Robinson. Many of the groups survived and were able to fly home,

including Ryan, staff member, Jackie Spire. Right, so the plane just kept going. Yeah, they got out of there. It's a fucking full-on scenario. But Jackie Spire went on to become a Congresswoman, self. Later on, in the very same day, back at Drone's Town, Jim Jones launched what he dubbed his revolutionary suicide campaign.

Right, because you know that once you've killed a congressman, the government aren't going to leave you alone. That's right, you're... They're coming for you. Yeah. An audio recording was taken at last about 45 minutes, and on the tape, Jones tells his followers that they need to commit suicide as hostile forces would quote parachute in here on us

Shoot some of our innocent babies and they'll torture our children. They'll torture some of our people here They'll torture our seniors That's why we should all kill ourselves Wow, yep one of his followers is her to say On the tape the ones that they take captured They're gonna just let them grow up and be dummies So that like this so like in their mindset this guy's mindset is we're better to all kill ourselves Then let any of us you know go back and and be back in society where there I guess they all see him as us as all

Dummies, and he also Told them a lot about the state of America like while they've been gone and he lied to them a lot too. So it's sort of like to incentivize them not to leave. Like this is a much better place for you to be. Because one of the guys who got out, he left his son there because Jim Jones of Toler his son was half black. This guy was white, his partner was black. She, I think, had died and he was a single dad.

And so he, T and his son had gone to Jones town. But Jim Jones was telling him that America right now is not a place, it's not a safe place for your son because of the color, his color. So it's better that he doesn't, that he stays here. So this guy left thinking he could come back and get his son when things were better and he was leaving his son in a good and safe environment. Oh man. Yeah, fuck.

So I guess small North Korea, isn't it? Yeah. Little society in the live at the outside world didn to make you think you're having a great time. This is great! This place is awesome! What do you mean? Yeah, it's really strange. Sorry. This is very heavy. No, look, I mean that's the topic that these guys put it on. They want to make us real sad.

When followers were becoming upset at the idea of killing themselves, Jones responded by saying, stop these hysterics. This is not the way for people who are socialists or communists to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity. He went on to say that death is just stepping over into another plane and the tape ends with Joanne saying, we didn't commit suicide, we committed an act of revolutionary suicide, protesting the conditions of an inhumane world. He's already operating on another plane, I think. A lethal cocktail of cyanide, volume, and grape-flavored flavorade were handed out to the members.

Those who refused to drink were forced to at gunpoint. They made their children drink first. Oh, yeah. More than 900 people died around a third of them children. You know the anti-donna sketch about cordial based on Jane's tan? I don't think I know that one. Oh, but don't you remember when we would be recording

and all you could hear from downstairs was cordial Over and over. It's real fun. Anyway, because that's what yeah, it's basically cordial is what the cool it yeah Yeah, it's like it's that's where the it's where the phrase don't drink the cool it yeah Yeah, yeah exactly which means open your eyes sheeple. Yeah, don't drink the cool aid. Is that what that mean? I just follow a cult Don't drink a cool aid. Is that what they mean? They just follow a cult. Jones himself didn't go out that way.

He was found with a gunshot wound to the head. Most probably self-inflicted, although others have said that he would have got someone else to do it. And he was found surrounded by the bodies of his closest confidants, including his wife and some others. Previously, the congregation had simulated mass suicide in events named White Knights. On at least one of these occasions members drank what Jones had falsely told them was poison. All right. They had like a drill. Yeah, with them not knowing it was a drill. What the fuck? Yeah. So they're like all right, we're gonna die now. Yeah, they would have gone through all the same stuff and just been waiting

And so this time were they sure that it was real I guess They would have been once they started seeing people dying but maybe not right at the start. Oh, that's awful Right, it's just another drill. Yeah, you might part of your mouth. I think that yeah, yeah, that's fun Well, that's smoke. That's probably just a drill Oh, that's smoke. Nah, that's probably just a drill. And all the topsy of Jones's body showed high levels of the barbitchuit, Pintra Barbitool. Pintra Barbitool.

And what is that, Matthew? It's a barbitchuit. Oh. A level that suggested he might have been a habitual user. Oh, right. So he was a bit drug-fucked. Do you know anything about habitual? I didn't really know what they were. So I looked them up.

They can give recreational users a relaxed contentment and euphoric feeling. But if you use it chronically, they're also associated with significant morbidity, which is a word I didn't know, potentially increasing the likelihood of suicide. Oh wow. Which is... Oh holy shit. On that. I mean I don't think he was all that balanced before that, you know. Jones's wife, Marcellein, I've just so said she passed and so did lots of that children. I had many. Three of his sons though, Steven, Jim Jr. and Tim Jones did not take part in the mass suicide. Will they in Guyana?

They were, yes. Wow. I know some people take issue with using the term mass suicide because realistically it was mass murder, right? Right. Okay. Sure. So I mean, even though they're, right? Right, okay, sure. So, I mean, even though they're effectively drinking at themselves, they're not... They were forced to at gunpoint. Five to a gunpoint and sort of mind, you know, backed into it.

So, I don't mean it. Offense when I say mass suicide. Yeah, no idea. It's obviously a mass murder. Yeah. But those three sons didn't take part as they were playing for the people's temple basketball team against the guy and he's national team He's his cult played against the national guy on yeah, they're like it's like he's They were their own country almost wow

So they come came back still their basketball shorts Just ready for refreshing glass of coolade. Oh gosh. What have you do? Three days before the tragedy, Stephen Jones was ordered by his father to return the team to Jones Town for Ryan's visit, but he refused. He's like, Dad, basketball is life. Yeah, I don't know.

Either he's like, they were just young adults, they're all about life. Yeah I don't know either he's like that that would just young adults they're all about 19. Yeah so they're like starting to be like no or they're just like we're playing basketball dad we don't want to meet your boring politician I don't know. I feel like it might have been a bit of the first from the way but I could be wrong. That sort of feels like right they were there was definitely yeah and I imagine that him pulling the trigger on the whole thing might have I feel like they were... I feel like they were... I feel like they were... I feel like they were... I feel like they were... I feel like they were... I feel like they were... I feel like they were...

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college. That's me attempting to finish on a happier note. Oh good. But yeah, it's obviously it's a fucking, I don't know what you do with all that. Yeah, it's heavy and it's really weird, but it's very fascinating. So when are we starting out, Colt, can we talk about that on the pod yet

or is that still top secret? I don't wanna make it like, make sure we get the t-shirts and everything done first. Yeah, okay, no, I don't want that. I don't want that. Sweet merch, ready? We'll leave it for now. Everyone has to wear matching shirts.

Yeah, that's important. Yeah. And then we'll move to Warnockyville. Warnockyville it for now. Everyone has to wear matching shirts. Yeah, that's important. Yeah. And then we'll move to Warnockyville. Warnockyville. Warnockyville. Warnockyville. Oh wow. Well, great report that you know.

That was a cool report about a crazy story. Yeah. You okay? But I think we never said, there'll be people everywhere just like on hug on their fans. That's going to say, do you have a hug? Yeah. I family. I'm gonna say I do you the hug. Yeah, I will give you one. I will give you a hug.

After I ask you, that was a golden hat suggestion. I don't think we ever named who suggested it. We did. You just don't listen. Does the name Steven Summo or Summo mean anything to you? I did not hear that early, but I would like to personally thank Steven Summo for supporting the golden hat. He's from Miami Florida.

You know, you know Miami Florida? You might know it from... I know Miami flow rider. I was gonna say you might know it from its unofficial anthem. Haha. Are you having fun yet Dave? I'm gonna try to get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a

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little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a or see us on Miami. Yeah! Bam, bam. That does make no sense. Oh, are you? I do. You're national anthem. Well, your state anthem is, who are you?

Who are you? And then I really want to know. And they never answer the question. I'm going to, I've got a lot of editing work to try to pull this together. Well, we pause for five minutes so you can play badly through my microphone. A song about Miami. Yep. Yeah you do. Do you enjoy giving yourself editing work? I'm not editing any of that out that'll stay. Can we please thank some Patreon supporters now? Definitely can. Well, have you already? Well of course we'd like to thank Steve Sumo for suggesting that through the Golden Hat and I'd like to

thank everyone who supports us through patreon.com's let's do go on pod and you put it very well last week in your little outro that it makes it financially possible for us to do this show every single week and do the reports. So thank you to everyone who does that at patreon.com's let's do go on pod and now a specific shout out To the man the myth the magic the legend the legend We've been there's been a few juniors on this episode. Oh, the best junior of all Has to be all the way from Texas Martin Hernandez, Jr

Hernandez, great name Martin, thank you. Thank you so much. That is my dad's name. And I wish I was a Martin Warnke Jr. So I could really relate to you on that level. But we wish to. Dave, no, then it would be Matt Jess and Marty. That'd be great. Matt Jess and Junior.

Yeah. Now that's a radio show. The Junior Berger. So my nickname Berger. Oh, that's cute. Bergs. Bergs, all right. Martin and his junior, if you've been looking for a. Oh, that's cute. Bugs. All right, Martin Hernandez, Jr., if you've been looking for a new nickname, it's Bugs.

There you go. Bugs. On your Bugs. Now, on the other side of the planet, I would like to thank from Newbury Berkshire in the UK, another absolute, it's just a hot name, this one. Excuse me? Hot name. There's been some shocking names on this episode,

so it's some boring ones. This one's great. It is Oliver Atwood. Ooh. Oliver Atwood. Oliver Atwood. Ollie At. Ollie Atwood.

When my Ollie At. When my Ollie At. You're good. You're gonna have to give everyone an nickname. We have so we got Berger. Martin Berger Hernandez, Jr. What about Oliver Atwood? Margaret Atwood.

Margaret Atwood. Margaret. There you go. Mark. Yeah, what? From you, Bri. Berkshire. Okay. Wow. Wow. Oliver, geez, you must feel good. You went from saying it. Oliver had a hot name to... He's given... Margaret is your middle, is your, now your nickname. You can't have, if you already have a cool name, you can't have a cool nickname. I have a very cool name and now your nickname. You can't have, if you already have a cool name, you can't have a cool nickname. I have a very cool name and a cool nickname. Oh, no, you're,

bobs cooler than jazz, let's be honest, bobs cooler. I know, I know how to do. Well, do. We'll have very plain names, don't we? Yeah, we do. Matthew, David and Jessica. Very white names. Anyway, can I thank some people too?

Please do. I would really like to thank from Dundee. Oh, okay, I've already got a nickname. Robbie Proctor. Thank you, Robbie. That's a good name too. Robbie Proctor. Yeah, that's a great name.

Would you be from Scotland? Robbie Proctor. Oh, that's cool. But no. What's your nickname? Mick. Because Mick Dundee. Dund Oh, that's cool, but no. What's your nickname? Mick. Because it's Mick Dundee. Dundee, that's good.

Well, what would you be thinking for Robbie? Burger, Margan, Mick. What about um, Cooody. Crock. Okay, yeah. Oh, Cooody, practice, good. Cooody's really good, that's great.

Cooody, Proctor. If you've had the crucible upset, you'll understand that. Yeah. Robbie Proctor does sound like a rock star named to me Yeah, but a rock star from the 80s. Yeah, 80s On you thanks so much robby proctor you still wear slother pants and I definitely want to say Thank you as well to one. I'm definitely gonna miss pronounce and I'm very very sorry Maybe we can have a go and see one of us will get it right, but from

Lincoln Park the place not the band. Right. I would like to thank Philip bourgeois. Oh, that's good. That's gonna be right. Bourgeois. I lied, I nailed it. That was great.

Bourgeois. Philly B. So what would Philip, Snick name B? Philly B, cheese. Cheese steak. Philly cheese. Interesting. the big cheese What about Z why the bourgeoisie?

Big Z big. Oh the big Z are we can take your choice take your pick there. I think Phil What about top ZZ top oh? Yeah, I love when you get so far away from it. I love that. You have to start explaining why you called that. I have to explain Bob a bit. That would be what to be like. Well, Richie Valens was on a plane with the big bopper. There's real name. Oh, well, that'd be complicated. Yeah, it is. Anyway, Matt, you got some people to think? Yes, I'd love to think. Christine Mulder. Mulder! Oh, I gotta call it Fox, for sure.

Yeah, the Fox. She's from Orchain Flower in Queensland, which haven't had it? Orcain Flower? Oh, nice. Looks like a German name. Thanks Fox. Orcain Flower. Orcain Flower.

Fox, yeah, it's gotta be Fox, or you could be like the X. X-Man. X... Fox, I reckon Fox. Go through your brain, now we're gonna stick with Fox. Thank you Fox. It could be cheese as well, molder. I'm oldy cheese. I find a way to make everyone cheese. And also I'd love to thank from Oxford Nottingham Clara Sablitsky. That's not going to be right. No, I reckon that's not bad. Clara's a cute name, no?

Clara Sablitsky. Clara Sablitsky. There you go. Sam Saber, Saber Tooth. Saber Tooth, I got a target. Oh, I was going for cupcake. Cupcake. Clara Cupcakes.

Yeah, which is a character. Cupcakes, good. There are different spectrums, cupcakes, and Saber Tooth, I was going for cupcake cupcake Clara cupcakes. Yeah, which is a character cupcakes good They're there are different spectrums cupcakes and sabers two times. Yeah, interesting you and I I don't know what I don't know what spectrum they're on. They're at opposing ends Dave anything for Clara? I like Saber. Okay, Saber is Saber. Well, let's go around and thank the one more time using their nicknames that we've created I'd like to thank from Texas Bergs from Newbury, Berkshire, Mark

Guess who you got. I've got Mick, or croc, or goody, goody, goody from Dundee and Cheese or Z? No, oh, yeah, we had a few for Phil from Dundee and cheese? Or Z? No, oh yeah, we had a few for Phil. Bruce, what about bourgeois cheese? I don't know what you guys, that's fun.

Bourgeois cheese from Lincoln Park. At Matt. And we had from Oconflower, that's not gonna be right, the Fox, and also from Oxford Saber. I'm saying, atwood, Mark is no good, you can't give him Mark. Atwood wasn't't outward the surname of the brooding Ryan

from the OC. You call him Chino. Because that was Ryan Atwood's name. I might be wrong on his surname. And if so, that's even better. Chino. Chino. Chino.

Fine. Take your pick, Therollva. Would you like to be Mark, my preference for China? Both ordinary to be honest. Really sorry, Oliver. You deserve more. Please tweet Dave. Tweet Dave and he'll come up with some better later.

Okay, yeah, I'll have a think for you, Oliver, at would. But thank you to everyone who does support the show through Patreon. We'd love to give a nickname to all of you and the way you can make us do that is to head over to patreon.com slash do go on pot we just released our episode for September. And if you sign up now you can listen to that bonus episode it is well I actually won't say the topic. Okay I'm gonna we'll have with you we're about to recall that bonus episode and I know what it is And it's a really cool topic, but yes and Matt don't know so I don't want to spoil it for them But I head over to our Twitter page or patreon and you'll see what the topic is

No spoilers Sorry, don't spoil it Don't! Dane! I'll give you a clue Dane! Dane! Dane!

It's really cool Oh no, I know what it is Sorry, this is a tornado ice. Only one cool thing in the hat I'd love to one more time. Thanks Steven Sumo for his I'm so I'm serving a few different cracks It out he pronounced the same. I'm summer summer Stevie summer. Well, all right. Let's give him a nickname before we sign off. Oh, yeah the wrestler Oh, you got you that works. That's good. Nappy. What about rock cuz Mickey rock played the wrestler rock Oh, you got it, that works. That's good. Nappy. What about rock?

Because Mickey Rock played the wrestler. Rock. Rock and roll. Rock and roll. That's how Suma Rolls, Rock and Roll. Guys, we want to get in contact and suggest a topic where the hat is full of suggestions, but there's always room for more in Jack the Hat, Mick Fiddy, as we like to call the hat. And you can get in contact at doogooonpod

on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter, and doogooonpod.gmail.com. The hotline is always open. Sometimes I get a few messages, especially because I look after the Facebook messages, and people say, how do I submit a topic? You're already online. You're in the right place.

Yeah, I look after the emails and people say, is this right? I'm sorry, this is wrong. No, you're doing it. Great job in the right place. Yeah, I look after the emails and people say, is this right? I'm sorry, this is wrong. No, you're doing it. Great job. Keep it up. Woo, go you. Woo, you're the best.

You're all the best for listening. And we'll be back with a new episode next week. Yes. Possibly with a special guest, possibly with who's next? Otherwise. Jesse Pea. That's, is that the first time you've ever called me Jesse P? Don't like that.

Oh, Boppy P. No, a lot of people call me Jesse P. Just weird for me for some reason. Sorry about that. What if I call you Jesse P? Alright, try it out. Matt will never make that mistake yet. So it might be just reporting or it might be a super secret guest. We'll find out, but until then I will say thank you for listening and goodbye!

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