Do Go On - 101 - The Jonestown Massacre

Episode Date: September 27, 2017

The Jonestown Massacre was a tragedy involving a socialist organisation called The People's Temple lead by Jim Jones - in this episode we hear about the life of Jim Jones and what lead to the tragic events where many people died at Jonestown.Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodTo watch Matt's footy show, Footy Footy Foot: www.facebook.com/StupidOldStudios/Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we've got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serengy Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit PlanetBcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm joined by Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins.

Hey Dave. Hello, episode 101. Mm-hmm. Very cool. Have we all recovered from the shenanigans of the live show last weekend? No. You must admit I work out with a sore. forehead after headbutting a watermelon, not once, not twice, but thrice, and still making absolutely

no impact. Yeah, that was embarrassing. I had a really good angle and no one else in the room seemed to see this, but I saw red juice splurred out from either side. Did you? Yeah. I can't tell if you're just telling me that don't you feel better, which is really nice, by the way.

No, I'm not being nice. I genuinely saw a squirt. Oh. And I reckon... From the watermelon, not from the humping part, the headbutter. Yeah, from the headbutton part. Okay, good, good, good. It would have, and I imagine it would have just been a tiny little, you know, it would have just been a little squirt out a tiny crack that you couldn't see after when, when, oh no.

Well, my parents came around the next day and guess who had watermelon for dessert? Oh, did you tell them what you'd done to it? I just said it was part of a live podcast and they did not ask any questions. As we've established, you mentioned the word podcast and the conversation instantly drives up, dries up. Especially from your parents who don't fully understand what a podcast is. So they're like, that's not. Anyway. Anyway, this watermelon's pretty good.

How's your real job? Yeah, you'll never leave that for the podcast, will you? Right. That's just a hobby. Yeah. And I'm like, sadly, yes, it is. Oh, our dreams are silly. But we have a bloody great time.

And at the live show, I must say I had one of the best Saturday afternoons I've had in a long time. That was really, really fun. And so many people came out and they were so warm and lovely. It was great. It was really nice. Yes, thank you to everyone for coming out and cheering so loudly. He made the 100th episode feel very special. Yeah, it did.

It was really nice. It was great. Got to meet people. Yeah, there was really cool hanging around and chatting to people afterwards. I met a man called Bruce. That's not real. That's made up. Bruce.

Bruce, yeah. I'm bad thinking of misremembered his name. He was there. Maybe he was Barry. Oh, the two most Aussie names. Is he the guy you were sitting with? Yes. And with his kids?

So he was there with his partner and their two adult kids. and the son, I can't remember everyone's name. I'm sorry, I apologize about this. He got into the podcast first and then got his sister and then his parents in. And Bruce slash Barry, I think he is Barry now. His partner was like, oh, you should listen to the podcast. I'll set you up.

He likes the American Civil War. It's sort of his favorite history part of things. Watch a few documentaries and read some books about that. And so he wanted to start with the Abraham Lincoln episode, Matt. Good episode. Where Abraham Lincoln was, was, short. What? Sorry to say that, spoiler by Lee, not Lee Harvey Oswald.

That's Jokey, supposedly. John Wilkes Booth. And so he was like, oh, great I'll start with that. So he went for, he goes for a run with his dog, and he was running with the dog listening to the episode. And he's listening to the episode. And we do our ramble at the start, this part of the episode. And he's like, just get to the podcast, which I imagine a few people are saying right now. But anyway, just let me finish this.

And we started talking, and we started talking a lot about horses. And he was like, this is a bit strange. But he knows a lot about John Wilkes Booth. and he knew that John Wilkesbuth escaped Ford's Theatre on a horse. Right. And he was like, it must be that bit. We continued to talk about horses, and it was only when he was halfway through his jog, you know, halfway, you know, a long way from his house.

He realised that we were, in fact, talking about the My Little Pony's. His partner had to put on the wrong episode for him, and he had to listen to that way. His introduction to the podcast was us talking about My Little Pony's for an hour. Which was a very popular episode, but probably not a, he's, probably not, Bruce, Lass Barrett. At what point did he realize that the murder didn't get away on a flying unicorn named My Little Sparkles. No, Princess Sparkles? No, fuck.

Sparkle Sunshine. It's My Little, no, Princess Sparkles, I reckon that is right. But he did learn a lot from the episode and he now knows what a cutie mark is. That's right. He would not have known where that was otherwise, so there you go. And they still came to the show and I appreciate that coming as a family unit. That's nice, isn't it? Isn't it nice?

Because when you grow up, you know, when you're adult, you don't do as much as a family, you know, just the fan. That's nice. That's nice. It's always dinner's for a special occasion. But why does not be a special occasion? Let's just hang out. That's nice.

That is nice. Do you know what I mean? That's nice. I think so. I miss my parents. And here they are now. Anne and John have been hiding in that corner all along. Anyway, let's do a report.

Let's do a report. So let me give you the 101 on how this show works on episode 101. Thank you so much for doing that. I thought about that in the toilet earlier. In the John. In the John. I was in the John. It was in the John and I thought, 101.

Is that a saying give you the 101? Yeah, the 101. 411. Yeah, it's the 411. Welcome to Maths 101. Yeah. But you say, what's going on? What's the 411?

It's not 101. Well, you can have your time to shine in 310 episodes. Let me have this time. Here's podcast 101. Yeah, that's what you should have done. Do go on 101. That's fun. Let's drink some 101 proof pod.

That's how Americans talk about alcohol. Yeah, proof. They love that, don't they? You wrecked it. Stop. Anyway, what we do on this episode and on this show is pick a topic, often listeners suggested, nearly all the time these days. And one of us researchers and reports back to the other two,

and it is Matt's turn to do such a thing. And we always start with a question. Did you say that? No, and we always start with a question. And here is the question. Hang on, but now you both got to say that. I want to say it. And we always start with a question.

Just as right, Dave. We always do. Sorry, I forgot that bit. The question this week is, which single event led to the largest loss of American civilian life in the 20th century? Single event.

So like a speed dating night? Yes. And over 28th mixer? Yep. So single events, you wouldn't count World War one or two. No. And it's also civilian life. Civilian life?

Okay, so it wouldn't be the 9-11 attacks then? Exactly. It actually, the 9-11 attacks, it was holding that sort of morbid record until 9-11. Oh. Right. Is it also a morbid event? Yes. Well, I mean, civilians are dying.

Okay, that means our listeners are going to enjoy it. But Matt will struggle to make it funny. Is it a natural disaster or a man-made disaster? Man-made. Is it a bombing of some description? No. It might be obvious once we know it, but right now I can't think of anything. Even like Jo Kant's.

It's that time the tiger got out of the central park. It's got massacre in the name. Is it a shooting? No. Great. It was not a bombing, not a shooting, so that's looking less morbid. But the word massacre is really putting me off here. Yeah, okay.

You guys might just not have heard of this potentially. It's called the Jonestown Massacre. Oh. Oh, shit, you're doing Jonestown. Whoa, okay. Really cool. I've definitely heard of this. I've put it in my Patreon vote before and it came second.

Right. But people wanted it. People were commenting. Well, it's come in directly through the Golden Hat from a Patreon listener called Stephen Summo. Oh, Stephen. Great choice. This is fascinating. Sounds like you are going to know more about it than me, though, which is cool.

Maybe not more, but I'll remember bits and pieces as you go. It's fascinating and so fucked. So our listeners are going to love it. Dave, and do you know much about it? Not much. May I have breached the Wikipedia article, maybe once or twice, but I've never seen a docker or anything like that, so I'm very interested to hear all the nitty-gritty details.

Awesome. Sure. Well, it was a, Jones Town was a settlement established by the Pied. People's Temple of Disciples of Christ, a religious movement founded by a man named Jim Jones. It combined elements of Christianity and socialism, and it was in northwestern Guyana. That is absolutely right. Great. Cool.

Anyway, so I'm going to go back and talk about Jim Jones, the man. Oh, Jim Jones. Jim Jones. Oh, man, that's such an average name that he had to make a mark somehow. His full name was, yeah, it is a very average sort of name. name. Rock solid. James Warren Jones.

Oh, Warren. Waser. Jimmy Waser. No good. Was born on the 13th of May, 1931 in Indiana. His parents were James Jones, a World War I bet. Not veteran. He made it sound like he was a name.

Who's looking after dogs? He's looking after all those pigeons who won the VC for animals. I think from what I could figure he was injured over there and he came back sort of, He didn't work when he came back. And then his mum was Lynetta Putnam, who worked in a few different jobs. She's making up for the terrible names of her husband and son. Apparently, I've gone through a bit of Wikipedia has been one of the main sources of this episode. So, you know, asterisk.

But apparently, Lenetta report. Apparently, my dick is big. You know, when people just add the little sentences like that in Wikipedia. Jim Jones was born in My Dick is Big Indiana, 1931 That was the next sentence Sorry, sorry

But yeah, Lynetta, his mum reportedly believed she had given birth to the Messiah Okay Well, we all think our kids are the best But that's going too far So many people act that way though, don't they? Yeah, my son is the Messiah Yeah, when you're at the supermarket

And someone's fucking up And you're like, why can't they tell them off they just turn to you and go, he's the Messiah. He's the Messiah. I can't yell at him and he has to go first on the slide at the playground. Move aside. I'm always, all these things, when something wild like this happens, I always wonder about, like this history wasn't written down.

This was all written afterwards, right? So people go back and I'm always a bit dubious on that sort of thing. People go back and they add a note about how big their dick is. Yeah, exactly. At the time, people weren't writing. down about how big their dick is. Yeah. It's only...

Only up to the fact. You look back in rose-coloured glasses at the size of your genitals and you write it down. Big Wiki fan over here. All right, mate. That's basically how this show was born. Big Dickie fan.

Yeah, my obsession. With your own genitals? No, with wiki. Oh. Dickie Piedia. Jones was born into the Great Depression. Times are tough, and the Shacky.

was brought up in didn't have plumbing. Yeah, well, you gave that away with shack. Was he born in the stable on Christmas Day? Yeah. Yeah, I think another guy was born in a shack without plumbing. Gary Busey. Tough childhood, really tough. Jones found it hard to make friends as a child, but he was a strong student and a big read.

He read extensively about controversial leaders such as Karl Marx, Joseph Steele. Stalin, Martin Mugundy, Mousy Dong and Adolf Hitler. Mousy Dong's still funny. Still funny. I'll never not be funny. Mousy Dong. What the fuck? What were you thinking, Mousie Dog's parents?

If your surname's dong. You can't win anyway, but don't make it something like Mousy. Zedong. I love the idea that his name is Dong. Anyway. Mousy. His first name is Mousy and his surname is Dong. Dong. Mr. Dong. Mr. Dong.

What would you call it? Like, his nickname at school would be Donga. Donger. I don't know if that's how it worked in China. No, I'm pretty sure. O'y, Donga. Dave, we're not so different. Donger, can I borrow a buck?

You need a sausage roll. Et cetera, et cetera. It's like we were right back there with him. So Jones also became interested in religion at a pretty young age. A neighbor started taking him to church. and around the age of... Hang on. Mum thinks he's the Messiah,

but the neighbour has to take him to church. Yeah, I guess why would the... She's busy. I mean, why would you take the Messiah to church? He knows everything. Yeah, that feels like a waste of everyone's time. Unless you're putting him up on the stage, on the altar. The stage.

God, you're such a performer. Real showbiz. The open mic night at the church. Guys, we've actually got a special guest dropping in tonight. I mean, it's the Messiah. He's seven years old. Doing a drop in. Jim?

He's just going to do five. Jim, get up here. So anyway, yeah, the neighbours started taking to church. Around the age of 10, he started visiting multiple churches in the small town himself. He took in aspects of what the different churches taught and started preaching to other kids in the town. Fuck. His town was called Lynn, by the way. Lynn.

Lynn. How's that spell? L-Y-N-N. Lynn. Short for Lynette. Lenetta. The county's name's Lynette. Yeah.

Lynn. Lynn. It's such, maybe the funniest town name I've ever heard. Welcome to Lynn. That's like a train station here in Melbourne called Dennis. Dennis, that always cracks me up. What the fuck is Dennis? I fucking love that.

Dennis station. Right between Keith, Keith Station. Gary. I'd be killing a town Gary if I've had a chance. Mike, I reckon you'll get that chance. Thank you. In honour of your podcast work, you get to name this town. We won't name it after you.

You get to choose the name. Imagine a point now where they're creating a new town. I feel like we've got all our towns. It's unlikely, isn't it? The golden age of towns. The only way it would happen is if a new sort of resource was found in the desert somewhere. And they're like, all right. The only way will happen is nuclear apocalypse and we have to start again.

But you went a different route? That does. I mean, they make new suburbs. Like Caroline Springs was new. That's true. And then maybe if it got big enough, it could just be a town. That's true. Yes.

That is true. And then there's sort of offshoots of those. What would you like Gary's postcode to be? Oh, Gary, it's got to be. The first letter's going to tell, the first digit's going to tell us which state he wants it into. That's interesting, isn't it? Well, I was going to, it was going to be 69, 69. Oh, that's good.

No, that's good. Yeah, we're leaving that. Yeah, 69, 69. I know that's our official podcast number. You know, Gary. It's all about that bone. Anyway, some kids that knew, I can't ever remember the last time I was reading.

Just because he was preaching at kids and that's fun. Yeah, preaching other kids, but little bits from different religions, is that right? Right, yes. I wonder what his favourite religion is. He was also kind of, he was a bit anti-dancing and stuff like that. Anti-dancing sort of thing. He was like footloose. He was preaching that.

I'm preaching from the book of bacon. Anti-distance. Anti-bacon, yeah. He saw bacon and he was like, no, no, I'm kosher. I'm not. having that. Holy shit. That's a very,

that's, that feels like it deserves laughter a clever joke like that. Yeah, but also not, but it's also felt like, because it's clever,

but I also rolled my eyes. Yeah. It's one of those twofers. I see what you did there and fuck you. I guess it's impressive, but someone about it makes me feel like I wish you weren't talking right now. Some kids,

some kids that knew him at the time later suggested that he, He was a really weird kid. Isn't that surprising? They later suggested that. It's funny how you look back on things. I'm like a rewriting history. He started a cult.

He was a witt weird, actually. Now that I think about it, he was a witt weird. He's a witt weird, that boy. That boy down there. That boy down there. He was a witt weird. He was weird. And, yeah, they also said that he was very obsessed with religion and death.

Apparently he held funerals for dead animals, dead pets, and possibly... stabbed a cat to death once. Yeah, and then had a funeral for it. I was going to stop you and be like, that's not. No, it's not. He stabbed the cat. Well, I mean, this is, yeah, look, you know,

this is such a weird story, this guy. Some things are like, oh, is this guy good? And then other times you're like, oh, no, he's no good. He's a very confusing character. He's a wit weird. Obviously, you know, as the story goes on, you'll realize majority bad, but he seems at points. You're like,

You have a bit of sympathy for him, do you, man? No. You see the good in everyone, do you? No. I think everyone's got a bit of good in him? Not everyone. Mousy Dong. Yeah.

Look, I don't know a lot about the mouse, but... Jones's father was an alcoholic racist, and some have suggested he had Ku Klux Klan Connections. God, that was fun. Say that again. Kou Klux Klan Connections. That was good. That was hard a second time around.

Koo Klux Klan Connections. That's fun. Have a go. That's fun to say. I'm too afraid to say that out loud. Interesting point. Yes. Okay, fair enough. Jim clashed with his father about this.

Jim and Jim. At one point, they did not speak for years after his dad wouldn't allow a black friend of Jim's into the house. His parents split up and Jones moved to Richmond. See? Also in Indiana. That's a reasonable name. With his mom. There's a Richmond everywhere.

Where he had a chance to reinvent himself. There he worked at a hospital where he met a nursing student named Marceline Baldwin. He's reinvented himself as a doctor. Hey guys, I'm a doctor now. Wait, forget I said now. We've never seen you before, so that's a bit weird. It's a bit weird. Forget the now part.

Always, I've always been a doctor. I've come from Lynn. Hi, I'm a doctor always. As always, I'm still a doctor. Can I have a job? As a doctor. Hello, one doctor is here. It's me.

Gooday, hello there, Dr. Me is here. All right, Dr. Me, can you fill out these forms? Yes, Dr. Me can. Sorry, pardon me, but he did meet someone with a fantastic name. Marcelline Baldwin. Marcelline. Or maybe Marcy. Marcy.

Yeah, great. That's better. Marcy Don. Marcy Don. As her friends called her. Jones graduated early from Richmond High School in 1948 with honors. mostly because he just said, I'm graduated now. Now.

Oh, shit, fuck. The following year, he married Marcelline Marcy Baldwin while studying at Indiana University in Bloomington. Why are you in such a rush? You know? You know, I can you just date for a while. Yeah. You got so much growing up to do.

Christian people definitely... I was going to say he's highly religious. Yeah, okay. In 1951, Jones attended Communist Party gatherings in Indianapolis, publicly supporting communism at that time led to a pretty negative attention from the FBI. Yeah, that's a bad, a hard time for you to have those views publicly. And he was becoming frustrated with the ostracization of open communists in the US.

And this led to Jones asking himself the question, apparently, how can I demonstrate my Marxism? And his thought was, infiltrate the church. Sure, okay. He's the church. Use the church. I'm in the church now. I mean, always.

Hello, it's me from church. I mean, is he still, does he think he's the Messiah at this point? Or is his mom just... I don't know. I think that really feels like to me that was just this weird one-line thing about his mom. I shouldn't have mentioned it, to be honest. No. Shouldn't have thrown weight behind it.

It's my favorite part so far. Me too. You've really struggled to impress us beyond that. Joan's got a job as a senior... As a builder. Carpenter. Come on. So he's had the idea.

He's like, he wants to be a socialist or whatever. He's in a socialism. But communism is on the nose. So he's thinking, I'm getting in the church, right? And he got a job as a student pastor at the Somerset, Southside Methodist Church. He found frustration there as the church leaders prohibited him from including black people in his mass. And in time, he left to branch out of. on his own.

So he's not racist. So that's... That's something. He had been interested in some evangelical preachers that he'd seen, especially those who performed those faith healing ceremonies, noticing that they were able to bring in a lot of people and also their money. That's what he noticed. Also, what most of those faith healers notice and why they do it,

one can speculate. I guess he's thinking, because he's thinking about the church as a way to forward his political ideologies, right? So he's thinking, you know, that's classic political party. You need money to better your cause or whatever. Don't you think Dave would be a really good faith healer? Yes.

Let me hear you. Praise a Lord! You've just got so much charisma. Thank you. You'd be like, you know, the ones that you see sometimes, they're little boy, the little boy healers? That's who it would be. They go and say...

Oh, I have seen those. You're thinking Bart Simpson? Well, you've got, yeah, you've got the best of both worlds. The boyishness and charisma. Yeah. Thank you. And also, you know, you can drive legally. You're an adult.

Also, you own a car, so. You can get from place to place. That's pretty good. This is a big three. You're a triple threat. I am missing what I see to be an essential part of that, which is the faith. Faith, yeah. I don't know if that's always crucial.

Great. So I don't need healing powers. How do you feel about it? about money? I love it. How do you feel about acting in a way that, you know, maybe people don't realize that you're full of shit? It's a prank.

How do you feel about pranks? Oh, man. Yeah, at the end of the episode. Yeah. At the end of the sermon, you've all been punked. Woo! Yeah, yeah. They're getting my car and drive away.

But just don't do that last bit. Just ignore that last part. Yeah. And then you'll get heaps of cash. How do you feel? I feel great. You on board? Yeah.

Okay, great. From the 11th of June to the 15th of June in 1956, Jones held a big religious convention in the Cadel Tabernacle, which is a large hall in Indianapolis. That is an incredible name for a hall, and I would love to play that venue one day if it still exists. He booked a... Let's do a live show there.

Oh, man. The Cadel Tabernacle. Live at the Cato Tabernacle. Oh, that's true. Do Go on podcast, weighing in at nine pounds. So you mean, because that doesn't sound like you, do you mean we'd be big enough by that stage for somebody else to announce us? Yeah, no, I'm putting on the character to make us look more popular than we walk out to a crowd of four people and it's a bit of embarrassing.

It's a big hall, that's a big hall. I think Indianapolis is where Letterman's from, isn't it? Maybe he could be involved. I'm sure he would. I'm sure he's free. That's perfect. Maybe Dave can introduce us. He loves podcasts, especially this one.

So he wanted to fill the hall. It's a big convention, five-day convention, but at this stage, he's not a big name. He needs a big name act. David Letterman. Funny, you say that. So he booked a big-name preacher known as Oral Roberts. Oral Roberts. Apparently.

You just would love that. That was his stage name. It was his real name. Oral. His real name was Handjob Roberts. He also have a few names. Head Job. No, I don't like it.

It doesn't roll off the time. Oral Oral that rolls up Oral is also just a strange sound Oral Anyway it's a great name It's not

It is Oral Oh you're right It's not I don't know why Why am I trying to convince someone Oral No it's a beautiful name

This preacher from the 50s Not a yuck sound It sounds like you're choking It's like oral And it would You're dry reading Oral I'm a

I imagine America's probably pronounced oral. Oral. Still gross. Let me try it. But that's a different word. That's oral. You've gone from mouth to ears and one mispronunciation. That changes everything.

Oral. The momentum he gained after pulling off this big event because he did get the crowds meant that he could now launch his own church, which is what he did. How does one launch a church? Big event. What you do, you get Oro Roberts. You do a five-day convention. We've just heard the one. 101 to how to start a church.

But how do you, like, do you build it yourself? Do you find a property? You feel in a form online, I think. Okay. And then you just turn an empty room into a church. There's church now. It is now blessed. Oh, church now.

This is my living room. Nope, it's my church now. Church now. Sorry. Sorry. Church now. At first he called it the Wings of Deliverance It sounds like a horror film

Sounds oral But eventually it had a few name changes Eventually became best known as the People's Temple Which is short for the People's Temple Of the Disciples of Christ Too long, People's Temple is fine People's Temple People's Temple

The church was racially integrated In a time where segregation was still common He was becoming a more prominent community figure also In 1960 He was appointed as director of the Human Rights Commission by the Indianapolis Mayor. That's a big job, right? Yeah.

Human rights commissioner, is a well-trusted guy. Despite the mayor asking him to keep a low profile, Jones went hard seeking outlets for his views on radio and television. He sort of saw us a chance to get his name out there and the name of his church and his beliefs and whatnot. According to the trusted source of Wikipedia, through this time, he helped get a really big dick. Sarah, did you see me think of that, like, midway through a word?

I'm like, I'll probably have to... That was seamless. I've done it again. I'm actually so impressed. But do you see the thing with the joke is that it's... It's like it's funny, but it's not that funny. No, it's no good. I didn't want to do it.

I just felt like I had to. No, you had to. I felt like a hat to. You did the right thing. As soon as I said, Wikipedia, I had to do that. Yeah. No one feels good about it. People at home are going, we don't feel good about it.

Yeah. I fucking loved it. Yeah, we know, mate. Call back to a dick joke I did earlier. There's no higher praise. But apparently, according to that great source, he helped racially integrate churches, restaurants, the telephone company, the police department,

a theatre, an amusement park, and the Methodist Hospital. Wow. So he was making big change in Indianapolis. When swastikas were painted on African American family homes, Jones walked the neighbourhood, comforting locals as he went around. He also... I mean, that's very nice.

Yeah. But just take a bucket of paint, mate. Yeah. Just slap on some paint over the top. Hey, I'm here for you. Okay, cool. All right, mate. Just stop by bunnies.

Get your hands dirty, mate. Like, what's the... Sure, that's nice. Go visit and say, hey, this sucks. Really sorry about that. No, it does. That's a really awful thing. But you're not being that useful.

Just quick roller, some paint. done, fixed. But everyone's happy. No, I think it's nice. Yeah, that's right. You would think of that. There was community backlash for his work in racial integration. His temple was graffiti.

Death threats were made. And even a dead cat was thrown at his house. No, he just killed that cat. Yeah. There was such... I feel like I forgot. I forgot that. I was like, wow, he's going through a great period of his life.

He did kill a cat. Well, yeah, some say. Some say. I mean, this is all some says. I haven't, I wasn't, to be honest, I wasn't there personally to see any of this. Well, as we get to more of it, I think it's more than a cat that he's, um, yeah, but, responsible for.

Like, how far, close do you have to get to the house before you can hit it with a cat? It does seem like a weird, yeah, for fun. I mean, you'd have to get close or you're a really good throw. Imagine if you threw it, you missed, you had to go and pick it up, throw it again. Yeah, oh shit. You'd throw it and go, oh, fuck, and just speed off. Yeah, because that's gross. Oh, you're basically doing them in the car.

Yeah. I imagine them just on foot. Oh, they've walked 3K holding a dead cat. No, no, they're with a mountain bike with a basket on the front. Oh, yeah. Dead cat basket. And then what do they use it for when they don't have a dead cat in there? Oh, it's always got a dead cat in there.

They've always got someone to throw a cat out. There's always someone. In night? They never use it for groceries? Never. Dinking. No, no, they've got a grocery box on the back. Yeah, yeah.

When that isn't full. with cats, then they go, better go get some groceries. And kill some more cats, I'm out. Yeah, yeah, because they bring one up into the basket any time. It's sort of like them sort of reloading the gun. Yeah. With a dead cat.

Slowly riding around the streets ringing the bell. Everyone, yeah. In a really slow, menacing way. Who's next? He's got a novelty bell. Meow. Here comes the dead cat guy. Miao.

In 1961, Jim and Marcy became the first white couple in Indiana to adopt a black kid who they named James Warren Jones Jr. So now is James Jones III. J.W.J. There's so many names out there. Thousands. You can even make it up.

You could call him Oral. That's a made-up name. That's a made-up name. I'm going to have... Oral. We're going to have a listener tweeting now being like, my name is Oral. Well, you sound like I'm dry-reaching. Oral, Oral.

It's a beautiful name. Sorry, if you are listening and your name is Oral, know that you're loved and change your name. You have our support. We are here for you. The couple adopted many other children also. Joan stated that integration is a more personal thing to me now. It's a question of my son's future.

So do they only adopt the one by a kid, and then the others were white? No, it was it, he called it his rainbow family. Okay, that's, that's... All his kids were, yeah, it was very diverse. I was worried that it was like, you know, tokenism for... A very diverse brood. Jim the third, you know?

Just like, nah, look, we got one. Nah, that would be no good. No, wasn't like that. Oh, that's right. Then this Jim Jones guy sounds all right. Atonement for killing that cat one time as a kid. This guy's all right. End of report.

There was, yeah. It was around, in this middle part or else I was forgetting. getting what he was. Anyway, in 1961, the Jones is relocated to Brazil. They were seeking a possible new location for the church. There was some fears growing of a nuclear apocalypse. Sure. Dave mentioned earlier, I think.

In 1963, the family started working with the poor in Rio slums. But later that year, they received word that their temple back home in Indiana was struggling without his leadership, so they returned home. Yeah, they were basically They were looking at a way out And you think like Knowing more stuff you wonder Like he was trying to escape from something

Right trying to get away from Those cats The cats American law I don't know like something Why was he so keen to leave America He'd say because he worried about nuclear apocalypse Which would be

I guess the Cold War Is that what was going on then? Yeah big stuff with Russia and America So I mean so Brazil I guess that that would make some sense, but what he does soon would go against that. On returning home, Jones told his followers

that the world was about to be engulfed by the nuclear war, predicting the specific date of July 15th, 1967. I never get the... They happen all the time, people go... This exact date. We've got a big cult here, you guys all believe me, so I can say this and you'll believe it. I mean, why be so specific?

So I've got a feeling it's coming. I'm getting a sense of it. It's going to be in spring. Not sure what year. Yeah. Soon, though. But you go, exact date. That date comes and goes, and everyone's like, what the fuck?

Yeah. And then you go, oh, I'm getting a new message. Yeah. Sorry. We got past that one. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, we did that thing.

Because of your belief. Yes. I'm getting a new message, and this one includes a poo emoji. So this god is pretty up with the times. And upset. Pretty pissed up. Pooh emoji. That's good stuff, Dad.

Thanks. I thought it was quite good. What's your favourite emoji? I'm not a big emoji user. It's disappointing. Matt, do you have a favourite emoji? I like using the angel face from pretending I'm a little angel.

Yeah, you would. The one I like is the sort of the blank face. Yeah, that's very you. Yeah. Just that when something is a little bit surprising, you can really show that. That's funny, because that's kind of, like you, but then my favorite one is like a little smirky face too, which is quite

appropriate, isn't it? Just like I say something a little bit smart-ass, and then I just send a little, and Dave's was... A little angel. Yeah, it's perfect. All very appropriate. Anyway, so he's talking about this apocalypse right. But he's moved back to America.

He's moved back to Indiana, and he's telling him, look, we've got to do something. It's coming. And at the exact date. He's an exact date. Spoiler of it, it doesn't happen. Oh, Matt. Sorry. I was worried.

telling is a bit off there. I was worried for Jim Jones. You just don't know how to build suspense in your stories. Sorry, fuck. I was like, do it happen? Yeah, the way I build suspense is, don't check the date. This didn't happen 50 years ago. It just hasn't got there yet.

We're still not in 1967. That's how you do it. You go, oh. I just, we had the dates wrong. No, no, I didn't mean by like society's calendar. Yeah. I meant by gods. That's a wicked way to get out of it actually, isn't it?

Not your human calendar. Patriarchy does it again. Blame the patriarchy. Good out. Works every time. So he was saying this apocalypse was going to lead in a positive way to a new socialist Garden of Eden on Earth. It's a garden of Eden, honey.

I wouldn't call it an apocalypse then. I'd call it. What'd you call it? Probably a Garden of Eden on Earth. It is harder to yell that while running through the streets. Harder to market that too. So to get away from the threat of the nuclear apocalypse, and they were in Indianapolis in America.

So obviously in the line of fire, so he said, to be safe, we're going to move to California. Right, to a more populated area. That makes sense. I mean, they went out to north sort of country, California, but still... California. I feel like you're moving closer to where anyone, if they wanted to bomb a US city. Yeah, we're talking nuclear.

There's a pretty big footprint on those things. Yeah, they're huge. Anyway, I found that to be a little bit inconsistent. Up until this point, Jones wasn't really open about his socialist ideals when he preached, but he started talking about this more in his sermons. He's been quoted as saying, those who remained drugged by the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment.

Socialism. I think, I'm hoping that he spoke in a started way because I lost my, I lost my spot on the page. See, he was quite charismatic as all cult leaders are, so probably not. Have you seen him? Yeah. Always around sunnies. He looked a bit like Elvis.

Yeah. Really? Big Elvis, Sunnis all the time. Late Elvis. Big. Fat Elvis. Oh. No.

Yeah. Not slim Elvis. Not slim Elvis. Not certainly not hot Elvis. So medium Elvis. Medium Elvis. With the classic. Pre-jump suit, but post.

Jail House Rock. Jail House Rock. Perfect, yes. Yeah, great. Well done. He would soon begin deriding traditional Christianity and calling the Bible a tool to oppress women and non-whites. Oh, okay.

He likes women, too. Yeah. He's a socialist. I like this guy. He believes everyone's equal. Is that what socialism is, Dave? In a way. Great.

Do any of us know what socialism really is? Can we ever really know? It's more of it like an economic thing, but yeah. But everyone is treated equally, yeah. In theory. Yeah, because that obviously links into communism and stuff, and that is, you know, can be misused. We've seen in the past sometimes.

I've read out of us. are some examples of communism going awry. True. He also started talking about himself more as a god figure. Okay. Preaching that he was a reincarnation of Gandhi, Jesus, Buddha, Vladimir Lennon. Mom said I was a Messiah, so... Is Gandhi dead yet?

Yeah, he died ages ago, Dave. Not now. No, but when he's looking, I'm a... It's like me saying, I'm a reincarnation of George W. Bush. Hang on. I got called a Celia Pacola tribute act I was like well she's not dead I can't really be a tribute act

Oh no there's a tribute acts That's a bon jovi tribute act That's true That's true but I think the Kiss tribute act Kiss Troia I believe it's called But Kiss aren't like still Gicking heaps are they They do a bit

I was in the news this week If you spend I think it was $32,000 Gene Simmons will come and hang out with you at your house for two hours Okay well that's a new Patreon girl That's so sad Gandhi died in 194 48, so that was 20-odd years. Oh, thank goodness.

Otherwise, it would have been weird if this guy told a lie. Yeah. If you can't believe what he's saying, a former follower of the temple named Hugh Fortson Jr. See, that's a name. That's a bloody name. Now we're getting somewhere. I've got a friend at work whose name's Hugh,

and I'd put it into sentences all the time. Like I said, oh, thank you. I'd like to hear a second sentence. You piece of shit. Oh, very good. Very well. Very well played. So Huey was quoted as, quote of Jones is saying,

what you need to believe in is what you can see. If you see me as your friend, I'll be your friend. If you see me as your father, I'll be your father. For those of you that don't have a father, obviously. If you see me as your savior, I'll be your savior. If you see me as your God, I'll be your God. Enrique Anglaces, is that you? I can be a hero.

Yeah, he's doing everything. Like, if you see him as your barber, will he just whip out the scissors? Like, what's going on? If you see me as the janitor, I'll mop your floor. If you see me as your chauffeur, where do you need to go? I'll get you there.

Do you think there's anything he wouldn't do? You need to do anything. Yep. But he won't do that. I was confused by that line. The church grew quickly after moving to California, with new temples opening up in many. different cities, including in San Francisco, away from, they set up in a little country town.

And he became more prominent politically. He was appointed by the mayor of San Francisco as the chairman of the San Francisco Housing Authority Commission. Jones was different from most cult leaders as he was able to find public support from prominent politicians in this way. Like people would publicly go, we're on board with this clearly cult leading guy. Vice-presidential candidate Walter Mondale even publicly praised the temple. His star was continuing to rise. But with the extra public praise came increased visibility and scrutiny. In the summer of 1977, reporter Marshall Kildef was set to publish an expose.

This expose was to include allegations from. former followers that they were emotionally, physically and sexually abused. Those are the three worst ones. Yeah. And so this is about to come out, right? They've found out about this exosé's imminent release, though. So Jones, along with many hundreds of his followers, decided to head to the church's compound in Guyana, South America. How good is the word expose, though?

It's great. Included twice for that reason. Didn't need to use it both times. Probably didn't need to use it at all. Just to recap. They've had to move because of an expose. Yes. I hadn't said it yet and I wanted to.

It is a good word to say. An ex-boset was about to come out imminently. What was? The expose A. Expoisei was imminent. And so they literally just ran away. Basically ran away rather than staying going, nah, it's bullshit.

So that's always a good move, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Guilty people definitely don't do that. Do that. Guilty feet have got no rhythm. Don't do that. They do have rhythm All the way down to South America

Chatsharring the hallway Matt did a little dance there didn't you Little dance Make a little dance This new settlement was named Jones Town By Jim Jones It's not a coincidence

He didn't call it Greg I would have called it Gregtown Gary is what you were calling your town before This is Gregtown This is a different thing Named by Jim Jones But none of our names would work to name a cult slash... You're talking about Dave Town, that's awesome.

No, it's not. But no, he's gone off of his surname. Warniky Town. It'd be Warnikiville. Warnikiville. Warnikiv. Stuatopia. Stutopia.

Stutopia, that's good. Stutian. Stuton. That's cute. Perkins Island. Oh. You get a whole island. Wow.

I do love the ocean. A small one. to be girt by it especially. Yes. Jones Town was a project of Joneses. He'd had it running for a little while. It was like an agricultural sort of spot that he had out there for a few years. And he's been quoted as saying around this time,

I believe where the purest communists there are. Okay. And he sold this settlement to his followers as a socialist paradise, though he did not allow members to leave. Like a lot of paradises Yeah Paradise Well why would you want to leave?

Yeah It's paradise Jones Town is where Jones started talking about the translation Which was an idea that he had Where he and his followers Would all die together Before moving to another planet

To live in bliss Right How do you move after death It's a tricky one They should have moved first Yeah Well that dead weight Is a lot harder

You don't actually even need to die then do you Just move Yeah, mate. I'd be a great cult leader. You already have moved to Guyana. Forniquiville. So... Pawniquifil.

Probably skip the death pile, I reckon. Eh, each to their own. Okay. Some ex-fellers with family in Jonestown banded together to form the concerned relatives group. They travelled to Washington, D.C., capital of America. Dave? Oh!

Yeah. To deal... Dave's been learning all the states. and capitals haven't you Dave not the capitals yet just the states just the states whenever we mention where somewhere it is I've got imagine it I watched him play this

he has an app on his phone and when we were flying back from Sydney I watched him test himself with all the state it was very what are you test on based on where they are in the country or they're where they are yeah all right what's the top one top top left hand corner Washington

you just lost I that's literally you just lost to someone who isn't even playing the game Literally the only one I know. What's the next door? I've got no idea. Portland, Oregon. No, that's below.

Fuck. But that's close. That's something. It's Idaho. Idaho, the spuds club. I used to wear a t-shirt that was... It had a cartoon of a potato lying on a banana lounge with those glasses that Kanye West used to wear with the plastic slats across them. Just kicking back.

Cool. And it said Idaho Spuds Club. I have no idea what it meant, but it was one of my favorite shirts. What color was it? It was white. Oh yeah. The singer from Body Jar saw on the back at a festival one time. That's cool.

It's very cool. Did you ask him to it? He just do it. He just did it. It was a wild time back then. We were living on a commune. You look back in the singer from Body Jar just marking people with a Sharpie. Hey, stop that.

This is my favorite shirt. It's my wedding dress. How are you riding on me? Why are you here? Why are you on my wedding? Anyway, so they traveled, the concerned relatives traveled to Washington, D.C. to list their concerns. So the people that are worried about their relatives in the cult in Guyana. They're sort of trying to get Congress to take notice and go, you know, there's a big bunch of American citizens who we're really worried about. Can you help us out, right?

And they got the attention of a Californian congressman named Leo Ryan who took their concerns on and he wrote a letter to the. Guineas Prime Minister, Forbes Burnham. That's a great name. Fuck, yeah. Burnham. So you sort of wrote that on behalf of the relatives. In late 1978, skipped a little bit further ahead. Ryan is flying now to Jonestown on a fact-finding mission,

with the intention of investigating the allegations of abuse by Jones and others. He traveled with people including relatives of followers, journalists, and an NBC camera crew. So you're familiar, this is when like we're getting close to the action, I guess. The journey took many days, including a two days stopover in the Guineas capital of Georgetown. Once arriving at the settlement, Jim hosted the group. Apparently they got a limo ride to Jones Town. Can't help but notice that Georgetown is very similar to Gregtown or Gary Town. I did not even notice that.

Yeah, Georgetown's quite a, why are we just, we're giving that away. It seemed like we're okay with Georgetown in my head. You're not, obviously. You brought it up. But yeah, Georgetown, there's Georgetown in America as well, I think. Who are the Georgetown Hoyers? You saw her a T-shirt. And the singer from Body Jar.

There's so many T-shirts and so many interactions with the singer from Body Jar. He's stalking you. Genuinely had a Georgetown Hoyer's shirt. I don't know what it means, but there was a bulldog on it. Where do you get these shirts if you don't understand what they are? Yeah, what's going on? I don't know. I can't remember.

They just appear. That's weird. You get it from Georgetown and Guyana? They're probably, you know, op shops or... Thrift shops. Thrift shops. Sorry. Sorry, McElmore.

So once, so they got the limo to the pavilion. And then Jim Jones hosted the group in a, you know, at the... So they got a limo. At the pavilion. Yeah, they got a limo. I don't know if that was... From the airport. I guess it's like a congressman as well.

So maybe... That's just how those guys travel, right? And he's trying to look like... He's not bad shit crazy. So he's like, yeah, come on here. No problem. Be a guest. It's fun.

Woo. Gotcha. Yeah. So anyway, they're hosting them there in the pavilion. And all of a sudden, temple member, Don Sly, tries to attack the congressman with a knife. Oh. Don. He's thwarted.

Not so sly. Who thwarts him? He's thwarted by the posse. Great. So is he travelling with like some... He's travelling with... with, FBI types.

There'd be security. No more questions. So the idea, the congressman's going, I'm leaving, anyone want to come with me, right? Because they're rushing off. He's just had a stabbing attack. He's like, who's coming with? Right, so to the cult members.

The cult members, you don't know why I want to be here. Let's get out of here. And 15 of them came with. And Jones didn't stop. 15 out of a lot, though. A lot. Yeah, hundreds and hundreds. And I suppose he couldn't stop him.

He couldn't stop him in front of the congressman. Exactly. That's right. Although, when the group were boarding the planes, there was a couple of planes they were flying home on, Jones's armed guards arrived on a tractor and started shooting at them. Oh, my God. One of the Temple members, one of the 15 who came with them,

also pulled out a gun and started shooting. Back at the tractor or at the people on the plane? No, at the others on the plane. So he's sort of pretended that he wanted to go back. Yeah. Five people were. killed including the congressman. The Temple member who was trying to leave, Patricia Parks.

NBC journalist Don Harris. NBC camera operator Bob Brown and newspaper photographer Greg Robinson. Many of the group survived and were able to fly home, including Ryan's staff member, Jackie Spire. Right, so the plane just kept going. Yeah, they got out of there. It's a fucking full-on scenario. But Jackie Spire went on to become a congresswoman. So later on in the very same day, back at Jones Town, Jim Jones launched what he dubbed his revolutionary suicide campaign.

Right, because you know that once you've killed a congressman, the government aren't going to leave you alone. That's right. They're coming for you. Yeah. An audio recording was taken at last about 45 minutes. And on the tape, Jones tells his followers that they need to commit suicide as hostile forces would, quote, parachute in his. hear on us, shoot some of our innocent babies, and they'll torture our children, they'll torture some of our people here, they'll torture our seniors. That's why we should all kill ourselves.

Wow. Yep. One of his followers is heard to say, on the tape, the ones that they take captured, they're going to just let them grow up and be dummies. So, like, they're so, like, their mindset, this guy's mindset is we're better to all kill ourselves than let any of us, you know, back and be back in society where they're, I guess they all see them as us as all dummies. And he also told them a lot about the state of America, like, while they've been gone. And he lied to them a lot too. So it's sort of like to incentivise them not to leave. Like this is a much better place for you to be.

Because one of the guys who got out, he left his son there because Jim Jones had told him. His son was half black. This guy was white. His partner was black. She, I think, had died. He was a single dad. And so he and his son had gone to Jonestown. But Jim Jones was telling him that, like, America right now is not a, not a place.

It's not a safe place for your son because of his color. So it's better that he doesn't, that he stays here. So this guy left thinking he could come back and get his son when things were better. and he was leaving his son in a good and safe environment. Oh, man. Yeah. It's like a small North Korea, isn't it? Yeah.

Little society and they lie about the outside world to make you think you're having a great time. This is great. This place is awesome. What do you mean? Yeah, it's really strange. Sorry. It's very heavy.

No, look, I mean, that's the topic that these guys buddy want. They want to make us real sad. When followers were becoming upset at the idea of killing themselves, Jones responded by saying, Stop these hysterics. This is not the way for people who are socialists or communist to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity. He went on to say that death is just stepping over into another plane. And the tape ends with Jones saying, We didn't commit suicide. We committed an act of revolutionary suicide protesting the conditions of an inhumane. world. Yeah, so he's a...

He's already operating on another plane, I think. A lethal cocktail of cyanide, valium and grape-flavored flavor aid were handed out to the members. Those who refused to drink were forced to, at gunpoint. They made their children drink first. More than 900 people died around a third of them, children. You know the Auntie Donner sketch about cordial based on Jonestown? I don't think I know that one?

But don't you remember when we would be recording and all you could hear from downstairs was cordial over and over. It's real fun. Anyway. Because that's what, yeah, it's basically cordial is what they're drinking. Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's, it's where the phrase don't drink the Kool-Aid came from. Yeah, exactly. Which means open your eyes, sheeple, basically.

Don't drink the Kool-Aid. Is that what that means? Don't just follow a cult. Jones himself didn't go out that way. He was found with a gunshot wound to the head. most probably self-inflicted, although others have said that he would have got someone else to do it. And he was found surrounded by the bodies of his closest confidants, including his wife and some others. Previously, the congregation had simulated mass suicide in events named White Knights.

On at least one of these occasions, members drank what Jones had falsely told them was poison. Oh, right. They had like a drill. Yeah, with them not knowing it was a drill. What the fuck? Yeah. So they're like, all right, well, we're going to die now. Yeah, they would have gone through all the same stuff and just been waiting.

And so this time, were they sure that it was real? I guess they would have been once they started seeing people dying, but maybe not right at the start. Oh, that's awful. Right. It's just another drill. Yeah, every time the alarm goes off at work, and I'm like, no, it's fine. Oh, that's smoke.

That's probably just a drill. Oh. An autopsy of Jones's body showed high levels of the barbitur. Pentrabbital. Pentrabarbital. And what is that, Matthew? It's a barbiturate. Oh.

A level that suggested he might have been a habitual user. Oh, right. So he was a bit drug fuck. Do you know anything about barbiturates? I didn't really know what they were. So I looked them up. They can give recreational users a relaxed contentment and euphoric feeling. but if you use it chronically,

they're also associated with significant morbidity, which is a word I didn't know, potentially increasing the likelihood of suicide. Oh, wow. Which is... Oh. Holy shit. On that...

I mean, I don't think he was all that balanced before that, you know? Jones's wife, Marceline, obviously I said she passed, and so did lots of their children. I had many. Three of his sons, though, Stephen Jim Jr. and Tim Jones did not take part in the mass suicide. Were they in Guyana? They were, yes. Oh, wow.

I know some people take issue with using the term mass suicide because realistically it was mass murder, right? Right. Okay, sure. So, I mean, even though they're effectively drinking it themselves, they're not... They were forced to at gunpoint as well. a gunpoint and sort of mind, you know, backed into it. So I don't mean an offence when I say mass suicide. It's obviously a mass murder.

But those three sons didn't take part as they were playing for the People's Temple basketball team against the Guy and he's national team. What? Holy shit. His cult played against the national guy on. Yeah, it's like his, they were their own country almost. Wow. So they came back still in their basketball shorts.

Just ready for a refreshing glass of Kool-Aid. Oh, God. What have you do? Three days before the tragedy, Stephen Jones was ordered by his father to return the team to Jonestown for Ryan's visit, but he refused. He's like, Dad, basketball is life. Yeah, I don't know.

Either he's like, they were just young adults, so they're all about 19. Yeah. So they're like starting to be like, nah. or they're just like, we're playing basketball, Dad. We don't want to meet your boring politician. I don't know. I feel like it might have been a bit of the first from memory,

but I could be wrong. That's what it feels like, right? But I feel like there was some resistance. There was definitely, yeah. And I imagine that him pulling the trigger on the whole thing might have, you know, if he was losing some of the people, like 15 of them were just left when they had the opportunity. And those were just the ones who had the courage to say they wanted to leave.

Yes. Because they would have known that they were running a risk there in any. Yeah, totally. Stephen Jones was accused of being involved in the Georgetown deaths and put in a Guyanese prison for about three months before being released. Jim Jr. was under police surveillance when he got home to America where he lived with his sister who had previously defected. Wow.

That's basically bringing the end. Jim Jr. has a son who's a gun high school basketballer who went on to play for the University of San Diego and St. Mary's Coles. College of California, which I think is a relatively famous basketball college. So that's me attempting to finishing on a happier note. Not good. But yeah, it's obviously it's a fucking, I don't know what you do with all that. Yeah, it's heavy and it's really weird, but it's very fascinating.

So when are we starting our cult? Can we talk about that on the pod yet or is that still top secret? I kind of want to make it like a, make sure we get the T-shirts and everything done first. Yeah, okay. No, don't worry about it. sweet merch ready. We'll leave it for now. Everyone has to wear matching shoes.

Yeah, that's important. Yeah. And then we'll move to Warnikiville. Vornikiville. Vornikiville. Oh, wow. Well, great report, Matt. That was a cool report about a crazy story.

Yeah. You okay? Well, I think we never said... I reckon there'll be people everywhere just like going to hug on their family. I was going to say, do you need a hug? Yeah. Dave will give you one. I will give you a hug.

After I ask you, that was a golden hat seduce. I don't think we ever named who suggested it. We did. You just don't listen. Does the name Stephen Summo or Summo mean anything to you? I did not hear that earlier, but I would like to personally thank Stephen Summo for supporting the Golden Hat. He's from Miami, Florida. You know, you know Miami Florida? You might know it from...

I know Miami Flo Rider. I was going to say, you might know it from its unofficial anthem. Ha ha. Are you having fun yet, Dave? Yep. I'm having a great time. Yep. It's a Miami theme song.

Thanks, Stephen, Sumo. For the Miami theme song is I'm in Miami bitch. Or CSI Miami. Yeah. That does make no sense. Who are you? Who are you? Your national anthem or your state anthem is,

Who are you? Who are you? And then I really want to know. And they never. answer the question. I'm going to, I've got a lot of editing work to try to pull this together. Well, we pause for five minutes so you can play badly through a microphone, a song about Miami. Yep. Yeah, yeah, you do. Do you enjoy giving yourself editing work? I'm not, I'm not editing any of that out. That'll stay.

Can we please thank some Patreon supporters now? Definitely can. Whenever you're ready. Well, of course, we'd like to thank Steve, uh, Sumer for suggesting that through the golden hat. And I'd like to thank everyone who supports us through patreon.com slash do go on pod. And Matt, you put it very well last week in your little outro that it makes it financially possible for us to do this show every single week and do the reports.

So thank you to everyone who does that at patreon.com slash do go on pod. And now a specific shout out to the man, the myth, the magic, the legend. There's been a few juniors on this episode. with the best junior of all. Has to be. All the way from Texas, Martin Hernandez Jr.

Hernandez. That's a great name. Martin, thank you. Thank you so much. That is my dad's name. And I wish I was a Martin Wonky Jr. So I could really relate to you on that level. We wish to.

Dave. No, then it would be Matt, Jess and Marty. That'd be great. Matt Jess and Jr. Yeah. Now that's a radio show. The Junior Burger. Is that my nickname, Burger?

Oh, that's cute. Bergs. Bergs. Bergs. All right, Martin Hernandez, you know, have you been looking for a new nickname? It's Burgs.

There you go. On your Burgs. Now, on the other side of the planet, I would like to thank from Newbury, Berkshire, in the UK, another absolute, it's just a hot name, this one.

Excuse me? Hot name. There's been some shocking names on this episode, some boring ones. This one's great. It is Oliver Atwood. Oh.

Oliver Atwood. Oliat. Very nice English name. Olly Atwood. Where my Oliat? Where my Oliat? You're going to have to give everyone a nickname now. So we've got Berger, Martin Berger Hernandez, Jr.

What about Oliver Atwood, Margaret, Margaret Atwood. Marg. There you go. Marg. Margie Atwood. From Newbury, Berkshire. Okay. Wow.

Marg. Wow. Oliver, geez, you must feel good. You went from saying Oliver had a hot name to... You've given... Margaret Hark. is your middle, is now your nickname. You can't have, if you already have a cool name,

you can't have a cool nickname. I have a very cool name and a cool nickname. No, Bob's cooler than Jess, let's be honest. Bob's cool. I am outrageous, how do you? How do? We'll have very plain names, don't we? Yeah, we do.

Matthew, David and Jessica. Very white names. Anyway, can I thanks from people too? Please do it. I would really like to thank from Dundee. Oh, okay. I've already got a nickname. Robbie Proctor.

Great. Thank you, Robbie. That's a good name too. Robbie Proctor? Yeah. Yeah, that's a great name. Would he be from Scotland? Roby Procta.

Oh, that's cool. But no. What's your nickname? Mick. Mick Dundee. That's good. What would you be thinking for Robbie Procter? Burger Margin Mick.

What about, um, uh, Coady. Crock. Okay. Oh, Goody Procter's good. Goody's really good. That's great. Goody Procter? Have you heard the crucible episode? You'll understand that? Yeah.

Robbie Proctor does sound like a rock star name to me. Yeah, but a rock star from the 80s. Yeah, 80s totally. 80s, proxar. On your, thanks so much. Robbie Procter. You still wears leather pants. And I definitely want to say thank you as well to one that I'm definitely going to mispronounce it. I'm very, very sorry. Maybe we can have a go and see.

One of us will get it right. But from Lincoln Park, the place, not the band. Right. I would like to thank Philip Borg. Borgia? Oh, that's good. That's going to be right. Bourgeois.

I lied. I nailed it. That was great. Bourg-Bee. So what would Philip's nickname be? Philly B. Cheese. Cheese steak.

Philly cheese. Interesting. The big cheese. What about Z? Why? The bourgeois Z. Okay, that's a bad. The Big Z.

The Big Z. Oh, the Big Z. All right, we can take your choice. Take your pick there, I think, Phil. What about top? ZZ Top. Oh yeah. Because I love when you get so far away from it.

I love that. You have to start explaining. Why, you called that? I have to explain Bop a bit. That would be what to be like, well, Richie Valens was on a plane with the Big Bopper, whose real name. Well, that would be complicated.

Yeah, it is. Anyway. Matt, you got some people to think? Yes, I'd love to thank. Christine Molder. Molder. Oh, I've got to call it Fox. For sure.

Yeah, the fox. She's from Orchenflower in Queensland, which I haven't heard of. Orkinflower. Oh, nice. Looks like a German name. Thanks, Fox. On your Fox. Fox.

Yeah, there's got to be Fox or you could be like the X. X man. X. Fox. I reckon Fox. Going through your brain. Now, we're going to stick with Fox. Thank you, Fox. Could be cheese as well, Molder.

A moldy cheese. I'll find a way to. to make everyone cheese. And also I'd love to thank from Oxford Nottingham, Clara Siblitsky. Oh, that's not going to be right. No, I reckon that's not bad.

Clara's a cute name, though. Clara Siblitsky. Clara Siblitsky. There you go. Saab. Sabre, Sabre, Sabre, Sabor tooth. Sabatut Tiger, the tiger. Oh, I was going for Cupcake.

Cupcake. Clara Cupcakes. Yeah, which is a character. Cupcakes, good. There are different spectrums. and Sabbertooth Tigers. Yeah, interesting. You and I.

Always opposing, aren't we? I don't know what spectrum they're on. They're at opposing ends. Dave, anything for Clara? I like Sabre. Okay. Sabre is. Sabre.

Well, let's go around and thank them one more time using their nicknames that we've created. I'd like to thank from Texas, Berg's. Mm-hmm. From Newbury, Berkshire, Marg. Does that who you got? I've got Mick or Croc or Croc or Goody. Goody. Goody.

Goody from Dundee. And cheese? Or Z? No. Oh, yeah, we had a few for Philip. Buzwa. What about bourgeois cheese? Ha ha, there we go.

Bouchoir cheese. From Lincoln Park. And Matt? And we had from Ock and Flower. That's not going to be right. The Fox. And also from Oxford, Sabre. I'm thinking Atwood,

Marg is no good. You can't give him marg. What was he got? Wasn't Atwood the surname of the brooding rind? Ryan from the OC You call him Chino because that was Ryan Atwood's name

I might be wrong on his surname And if so that's even better Chino Chino's Chino Fine Take your pick there Oliver Would you like to be Marg?

My preference for Chino Both ordinary to be honest Really sorry Oliver You deserve more Please tweet Dave Tweet Dave and he'll come up with some better later Okay yeah I'll I'll have a think for you, Oliver Atwood.

But thank you to everyone who does support the show through Patreon. We'd love to give a nickname to all of you. And the way you can make us do that is to head over to patreon.com slash do go on pod. We just released our episode for September. And if you sign up now, you can listen to that bonus episode. It is... Well, actually, I won't say the topic. Okay, we'll level with you.

We're about to recall that bonus episode, and I know what it is. And it's a really cool topic. but Jess and Matt don't know, so I don't want to spoil it for them. But head over to our Twitter page or Patreon and you'll see what the topic is. No spoilers. Sorry, I don't want to spoil it. Don't. Dave.

I'll give you a clue. Don't. Don't. Don't. It's really cool. Oh, now I know what it is. Sorry. Cornetto ice creams.

There's only one cool thing in the hat. I'd love it one more time. Thanks, Stephen Summo for his... I'm just having a few different cracks it out. He pronounced his name. Summo. Summo. Stevie Sammo.

All right, let's give him a nickname before we sign off. Oh, yeah. The wrestler. Oh, there you go. Yeah, that works. That's good. Nappy. What about Rourke?

Because Mickey Rourke played the wrestler. Rourke. Rourke and roll. Rourke and roll. That's how Smo rolls, rock and roll. Guys, if you want to get in contact and suggest a topic, the hat is full of suggestions, but there's always room for more in Jack the Hat, McFiddy, as we like to call the hat.

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is this right I'm sorry if this is wrong no you're doing it great job keep it up woo go you you're the best you're all the best for listening and we'll be back with a new episode next week possibly with a special guest possibly with who's next otherwise. Jesse P.

Is that the first time you've ever called me Jesse P? Maybe. Don't like that. Oh, Boppy P. No, a lot of people call me Jesse P. Just weird from you for some reason. Sorry about that. No, that's okay.

What if I call you Jesse P? All right, fair enough. Matt, we'll never make that mistake again. So it might be just reporting or it might be a super secret guest. We'll find out, but until then, I will say thank you for listening and goodbye. Bye. Bye you later's book. 1001. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network.

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