Do Go On - 103 - Lost Colony of Roanoke

Episode Date: October 10, 2017

In the late 16th Century, England wanted to set up a permanent settlement in North America and in 1587 Sir Walter Raleigh sent 115 people to colonise Roanoke Island. But what happened to these men, woman and children? Their fate has been debated about and speculated on for centuries. This is the story of The Lost Colony of Roanoke... It's a bloody mystery episode! Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pukins. Hi Dave, hi Jess. Hi Matt, hi Dave. Hello Jess, hi Matt. Oh. Did you have to think, I had to think. No, I bet we knew. About who you were hiring the equation.

Yeah, I was like, hi, nope. Who are the other two? You're the Jess character. I mean person. Human person. Definitely who definitely exists. No, but. Yeah, they're all characters.

Yeah. They are all two dimensional flat characters. Poke a hole in them. Try. Yep, you just did, okay. That was quick. Wow, yeah, good to. We're recording on a Saturday afternoon.

The weather is nice. The beers are out for Matt and I, Jess on the waters. I hit in the hard stuff. Nice, you are going. Jess, it's October for today. Just today. Just today going to- Just it's oxoba for today. Just today. Just today. She's not on sober the third or whatever today is.

It's not the third. Damn it. I know that if I was doing a mortise. He's drunk again. He is, as he always is. But it's great to be here, Matt. You feeling good? I've lost four days.

I just looked at it as the seventh. Anyway, it's not actually because when people listen to this, it's in the future. It's not great to be here Matt you feeling good? I've lost four days I just looked at it as the seventh Anyway, it's not actually because when people listen to this it's in the future It's not the third Still not the third It's even less the third Unless they listen to it in just under a year from now That'd be perfect Actually possible

Oh, imagine Someone's doing that right now and their mind is exploding all over the train Wow And they're on the train as well so it exploded again. And they're driving the train. And they don't even know how. They've never driven a train before. They've just woken up from a weird dream. Do you drive a train?

Yeah, train driver. Do you drive a boat? Do you? Do you drive a boat, do you? Do you wear the question? No, you swim a boat. Do, drive a boat, do you? Do you wear the question? No, you swim a boat. Do you drive a plane? Oh yeah.

Yeah, you definitely drive a plane. You drive a plane out to the runway and then you take off. Yeah. Come on. And then you drive it through the sky. Sky drive it. Yeah. Sky drive it.

Sky drive. Sky drive. Oh, I like that. Hey, Dave, I met this guy for the second time last time, so it's not really meeting him. But his name was Lucas Schruon. He's a listener and he was up in Aubrey where I was doing a gig And he was saying that he wanted a way to easily explain what the show is right and he said that he message you at some point You are and he asked you and you said I don't know how to do it right But he had a good one and I wish I'd written it down because I can't remember but anyway

I just want you to know that somewhere somewhere out there someone knows how to You're not even gonna give it a crack. What it was something like Three comedians one of them does a report on a certain topic the other two a smart asses something like that That's that's about right. Yeah, that's about right. That is about right. Yeah But it's not exactly right because I'm a smart ass and I'm gonna bring you That is about right. Yeah. But it's not exactly right. Because I'm a smart-ass and I'm going to bring you to that.

So that is what the show is, right? But we always start the show. We get into the topic by the person giving the report. Yeah. The head smart-ass for the week. They ask a question to get us on a topic, Dave. This week is your report. Please ask us a question.

You are the head smart-ass. The first question is, OK, to get us on to this week's topic, which was voted for by the people that support us through Patreon. My question, to get you on topic, because it's one of those things where you've either heard of it or haven't. So I've just got a question that vaguely gets us there. I'm feeling real cocky to them, I know about nearly everything. I think you're going down. Oh, okay. I forgot we weren't working as a team.

Like, yeah, let's do all. Oh, I see. When have we ever been a teacher? No, sometimes. Back in the early days. Anyway, we did. We'll get back together. This is a fun thing because there's only 50 possible answers,

so you can really have a crack. In what US state? I was going to say it's a US state. Was the first English colony attempted to do England? There's not new England. That would make sense. All right. Anyway, it's on the East Coast there.

So New York? No, that was the Dutch. We've talked about it though. Yeah, we talked about it in the center. We talked about New York settled in the Santa Claus episode. I'm going gonna say Pennsylvania. It is not JP, our geography queen. Here we go.

I didn't want you to ask me because I don't know. We said East Coast was like, I'm out. I've got no fucking idea. Indiana, where Gary is my new home. We got, I reckon close to 50 people tweeting and saying, do you know that Gary's a real place? It's, thank you, but we do but we do now, we did not know. I've been walking on sunshine ever since.

Gary, I'm, yeah, there's no doubt of what I'm gonna Gary. They've got it, I've just looked it up today, they've got a, or they used to have a basketball team called the Steelheads. That's good. What a place. Gary, Michael Jackson's from there. Gary Indiana.

There's a song that Ron Howard sang in a musical. Gary Indiana, Gary Indiana, Gary Gary, Michael Jackson's from there. Gary Indiana. There's a song that Ron Howard sang in a musical. Gary Indiana, Gary Indiana, Gary Gary, Gary Indiana. Is that bit true? Yes. What the hell? It's now on my bucket list to take a photo of you next to the sign that says welcome to Gary Indiana. I was reading the Wikipedia page, and at some point I go,

you can head to downtown Gary. Well, downtown Gary, that's a real place. So good, that is so good. I'm just gonna tell you where it is so we can get straight into this episode. It is in North Carolina, it's my guest Dave. We're Michael Jordan, like college basketball. Well, that's one fact.

North Carolina, okay. Okay, have you ever heard of, and this is one of the- North Carolina, yes. Great. You heard of this, this is one of the- One of the North Carolina, yes. Great. You heard of this, the topic which takes place there. This is one of our most suggested topics I didn't realize. But it is, it is the lost colony of Rowanoke.

Oh, oh. Oh, this has been suggested so many times. What, yeah. Davis, is this a mystery episode? It's a mystery! It's a mystery! It's a mystery. I put three mystery topics in the Patreon hat. If you're not familiar, if you support us through Patreon, you can vote every three weeks on the topic that I present on.

And there are three mysteries and this, being one of the most popular topics, obviously, one by a country mile. I was 60% of the voters. The other ones were cool and we'll probably get to. Oh man, I'm so in the mood for a mystery. Yes! That's great. It's a jury mood. It's been suggested by... It's been suggested by...

How she feel, we don't know. It's a mystery mood. No, you just said you're in a really excited mood. It's not a mystery at all. I'm in a really good mood. It's a mystery mood. Yeah, but now I feel sad. It's a roller coaster. Well, it's been suggested by lots of people. So thank you, if this is you and if we've missed you, I apologize, but this is so many.

Jake Specter, John Titus, Cat Kurt McCauley, Jonah Christian. He's a great name. Steven Sankie, Paul S. Oh, mystery, mystery, that. Oh, mystery, Paul. He'll resmit Dan Brown, the DaVinci Code. He's a mystery writer. I tell you that I once, I once won tickets to like a FoxFM, which is a big radio station

here in Melbourne, Ruftock party. I was in the habit of just entering as many competitions as I could to win stuff. And I went along and I had like a pop star before I kind of remember. And I was talking to this guy, because most people there were either competition winners or VIPs, so it was a strange mix and I was obviously a competition winner. And this guy started telling me how he was an author and I was like, oh okay anything I've heard of and he's like, have you heard of the Da Vinci code? I was like, are you Dan Brown?

And he's like, yeah I am and I looked him up and it was definitely not him. He was like, Dan Brown and American Guy and this guy, I was he too for short. Thanks for lying to me, mate Was that dirt bro that suggested it yeah, maybe his name is Dan Brown. Oh, maybe that's where I got it from maybe also Richard Schubert the third He's also in the golden hat Richard Yeah, well there you go Richard. This is one of your golden. No, it's not. John Sheerah and Dylan Bern from Adelaide. And there's a lot of...

Why is that all from Adelaide? No, Dylan Bern, I just know Dylan Bern's a frequent tweeter and a good supporter of the show. There's a lot of great frequent tweeters in there. Yeah, awesome, good suggestion guys. It's an all-star topic here. The Lost Colony of Rowanoke. So do you guys know anything about it?

I know. It involves a Lost Col colony in North Carolina. Oh you have heard of it. And that is on the east coast of the United States. You are America. And it involves, obviously, Michael Jordan's College Basketball career. And he still wears his lost colony of Rowan Oak shorts underneath his Chicago Bulls uniform in 1990. Still wears it to this day. It just gives collecting layers of clothes. You're only ever worn in Chicago Bulls uniform. I'm 50 years old. And the colony is actually named

after a guy called Rowan Oaks. That's true. That is also true. That's not true. Well, it's part of the mystery. No one knows that for sure. We're going to get into this mystery. Just a bit of background. I feel like a lot of, well, maybe not all, but a lot of American listeners will probably know more about

settlers coming to their continent more than we do. So if you were in that boat, it's interesting that you would assume that they'd know more than I do about that. That is interesting. My preferred. It's disappointing really. I'm very, very educated. I was talking about the other listeners. Oh, not you, Jessen.

You guys know everything. Yeah, I've never patronized you. If you ever feel like I'm talking to you like you're dumb, I probably am. And I probably deserve it. I think he's talking to someone else just. He was making direct eye contact with us. But that's only because he can't look the listener in the eye.

Those dumb, dumb listeners. Big old dummies. Big dummies. Well, we always say we got the best lovely idiots listening who we love. You listening right now. you're a dummy. All right, Dumb Bo, let's start the show. All right, hope your headphones are in your earholes,

not your nose. Again, you've made that a second before. It smells like another great podcast. Ha ha ha ha. Oh my, yes, it's love smells so good. All right, here we go. Born in Italy, the explorer Christopher Columbus made four trips across the Atlantic Ocean from Spain, but he was backed by the Spanish, in the late 15th century. He was determined to find a direct water route west from Europe to Asia, but he never did.

Asia. I felt that. He said it. Yeah, he said it wrong. Asia. He never made it to Asia. He never made it to Asia. Instead, he accidentally stumbled upon the Americas. And fashion. American fashion.

Although he did not really, quite unquote, discover the new world, millions of people already lived there, his journeys marked the beginning of centuries of transatlantic conquest and colonization. About 100 years later in the late 16th century, where our story takes place, England, France, Spain, and the Netherlands launched major colonization programs in eastern North America, either up top in Canada or right down to Florida. They all wanted a piece of the action and they wanted to set up settlements there. So that's sort of the way we're adding historically speaking. We come to an English man born in 1552. So Walter Raleigh was an adventurer.

What was his last name? Raleigh. Raleigh. R-A-A-I-W-L-Y. No, it's R-A-L-E-I-G-H. And I've heard it pronounced Raleigh and Raleigh. Raleigh. He was an adventurer, explorer, soldier, writer, lover. Oh my God, he was everything. And nothing. He was a landed gentleman. A landed.

A landed, which is a social. He was a waterborne. A social class in England where people make the income from renting out property and land that they own. Oh, he's a landlord. Yeah, a landlord. But I prefer to call my landlord the Landed Gentleman. My landlord is a woman. A Landed Gentle woman? Yeah, good. I don't know what I struggle with that. What do I call the other sex? So these are pretty famous English dudes. In 1578, Raleigh set out with his half-brother, Sir Humphrey Gilbert, on a voyage to North America to find the Northwest

passage that ever made it there and got distracted with a bit of a bust up with Spanish shipping. So this happens frequently in this story. England versus Spain a lot of the time. Spain's already got land in Mexico and Florida in North America, so they're doing pretty well, and England sort of wants to catch up to them. Raleigh's press actions against the Spanish were not well received by the monarch's advisers, and he was briefly imprisoned. And that was... He's a bad boy.

And not for the last time. He goes to prison three times. At least three times. Seizl. Oh, at least three times. Sizzle. Nevertheless, the tall handsome and superbly confident Raleigh, who was also extremely well dressed, rose rapidly at Elizabeth I, who's the queen at the time, her court and quickly became a favorite of the queen.

He served in her army in Ireland and was knighted and became captain of the Queen's Guard That soldiers in charge of guarding the official royal residences in the United Kingdom Yes, you see beefy to type people these days there Well, maybe because a famous legend is that he wants through his cloak over a muddy puddle to keep the queen from getting her feet wet. Oh, that is something you would find very admirable. Oh, yeah. I'll do it all the time. I stand near a puddle with a jacket waiting. Come on, Queenie. Where's the fucking watch? I'm just shocked.

Where's the fucking queen? I imagined you waiting by the puddle for someone to do it for you. Like, hello. How are life cross? Someone. People walk past my, I mean, that's a nice jacket there. Yeah. Isn't it a bit warm for that jacket? Yeah.

Give me your jacket. They're like warm and a puddle, I don't think so. Ha ha. The queen rewarded the handsome man, handsomely. No. Yes, I wrote that. With a large estate in Ireland, lots of land, which he rented out and made money from, trade privileges and eventually a knighthood.

Ooh, so rally. Yes, ooh, ooh, ooh. But her biggest gift to him was on March 25th, 1584, Quindalism with the First granted so water, so water. So Walter Raleigh, a charter for the colonization of the area of North America. This charter specified that Raleigh needed to establish a colony in North America or lose his right to colonization. He was granted rights to explore, colonize, and rule any quote, remote, heathen, and barbarous lands, countries and territories, not actually possessed like a Christian prince or inhabited by Christian people. Oh wow.

So basically the deal was, if you get to America and there's no Christians there, it's yours. What the fuck? Yeah, that was, that was her decree. Wow, that's fucked. Like if there's no, if there's no one there that already owns it. And I mean, I don't mean like, you know, people. No Christians. Yeah, if there's a prince nearby. already owns it and I mean I don't mean like you know no christmas if there's a prince nearby who's obviously christmas

who's a prince then absolutely that's theirs but if there's no Christians yours that's just classic Christianity isn't it love thy neighbor unless they're not a Christian yeah the charter also specified that he had seven years to establish a settlement or he would lose his right to do so Why were you laughing at their jet just seven years is a long time and I must because it takes about you know about four months Just to get there. No, I know but seven years is a long time. It is regardless if you gave me seven years to do something I'm not starting that for six and a half years Just is like six months to colonize North America. Get in the ship.

Get in the ship. But it's a funny thing because it's like, I'm going to let you be able to colonize North America. Unless you don't do it in seven years, then you're not allowed to do the thing that I'm allowing you to do. Yeah, it's like a weird loop, right? Yeah, it's weird. Well, I think it was more like, do it in seven years, but if you don't have the hoots, but it get it done, I'll get someone else in.

I'll get someone with hoots, but seven years. Seven years. And less that person with hoots, but he's not a Christian. So that's what he wants to do. And obviously, if you go over there and you can claim anything you like, you're going to get real rich. So he's pretty keen to get involved in this. Sure.

Although he didn't go himself, Riley funded and organized a reconnaissance trip to North America on April 27th, 1584, which is like a month later, so he's done pretty well. Yeah, see, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, just six years, six months later. What about your buddy, Keen, is this an HG? He's always settled down there.

So we're all very impressed. No, don't. Put your fucking jacket back on. He's the guy, pens down, I'm done. All right, mate, we'll get it. Yeah, good for you. Still another half an hour. We're all still working.

You've missed a page of the exam. You fucking idiot. Well done, mate. No, you put your pen down real quick. Fuck off, car. Guy. Guy, you can. Fuck off, car guy.

Car guy, you can't go. Yeah, go drive away his old two he's too old to be in this exam so April the expedition is led by Philip Armadas and Arthur Barlow and they set off with two ships so it's obviously pretty small fleet spare ship ship each ship it's great small fleet we've both got a ship would you prefer to have like a rope out of the back tugging along some Spear ship ship each ship. It's great. Oh small fleet. We've both got a ship Would you prefer to have like a rope out the back tugging along some more spare ships when we fly to Sydney We're taking three planes three planes at least. No, that's true of course Well, basically they just want to go the same enclosed air as you guys

So they wanted to go to the eastern coast of North America. Three and a half months later they arrived at Rowan Oak Island. Named after Rowan Oak. Rowan Oak, that's right. Off the coast of North. When does they come into the story? Look, Matt, I don't interrupt your reports. Do I accept every two seconds?

Rowan Oak Island, which is off the coast of North Carolina. She's on the east coast of the country. Where Michael Jordan played college. Yeah, last. Just for context. The island is about eight miles or 12 kilometers long and two miles or three K.Y. It's not huge. It's just more island.

It's just a few miles, a few kilometers off the coast. And it's right near Kitty Hawk, the San June Phil place where the Wright Brothers perfected their right flyer. Hmm. About 300 years later. Do you think they're connected? Yeah, it's all related. The group who on the recon wrote glowing reports

of the area of the island. They encountered Native Americans. Non-Christians. Yes, the Roanoke people, that's why it's actually called Roanoke, it's named after the people from the area. They lived on Roanoke Island. Not in this Roanoke. The parents didn't have a great imagination. Oh, their names are Roan. Oh, okay. They lived on Roanoke Island in the surrounding areas. There's a bunch of islands in sort of bay and stuff around there for thousands of years. They've been there a long time. The Native Americans were friendly to the English and the two parties were fascinated with

each other. The English had arrived at a time of plenty, a season where the Native Americans had lots of food to share with the English who had trouble creating their own crops. So they're happy to share. Well that's nice. I can't see anything going wrong. Well, I had met this next sentence. When the Ureconocence Party returned to England, they took two of the Native American leaders, a man named Wanchis and a man named Mantello. I just not know how the men were convinced to go to England or if they were just made to go.

But probably invited and graciously accepted. Thank you. We would love to come to England. You've given us all this food. Let's bring you back to Singapore. We'll bring you some food there. We want to repaint photos or whatever we do in England. That's Adelaide. What are they doing in England?

They do the banger's mash. Banger's and mash. Pants a larga. Bovrol. Bovrol. What are they doing? They do the bangers and mash. Cheesies chips, bangers and mash. Pants a lager. Bove roll. Bove roll. And of course. Iron brood.

Iron brood, thank you. Right. One cheese and manteo. So these people, there's two boats that got on there. Scatter it out. I want to make a joke about one cheese, but it feels insensitive. Probably best you don't. What? Oh, there a some bad about no no

I'm curious to hear what this joke is like he's just got a joke just wants cheese he wants cheese Well, how's that insensitive we all want to see because he's lactose intolerant now Look that is insensitive now. I'm looking at it's C.H.E.S.C One cheese. Oh, do you say what let's go one cheese. I apologize when I'm just pronouncing it. One cheese on Mantello went back with the men and they caused a sensation when they came to England because these are people from the old world, this is a new world type thing.

So they've never seen white people, white people have never seen Native Americans before. So it's obviously pretty overwhelming for everyone. They stayed at Riley's house in London, which is on the Thames. Just on a fold-out couch that he had. Yeah. Futon.

Just trying to corner from an elephant in Wilbur or a... What do the walk about hotel? Yeah. What's that? That's a... Johnless comedy club. The chain of English comedy clubs. So, and Riley had language experts to siphon the men's...

Carolina. El Quonquian, again, probably must have announced the language, that's the language that they spoke, the language was decoded, which is pretty amazing, and the two men could now communicate with the English. What? Yeah. They just figured it out. Yeah, and pretty quickly.

Pretty quickly. Man, why can't we do that now? They just decoded it. What do you mean we can? We've got a fucking puzzle. What do you mean we can? We've got a fucking puzzle. What do you mean you can decode? What do you mean?

No, but now, let's say for example. I've learned it time for four years. Yeah, I've got it. They'd already decoded it. I couldn't tell you it like more than two sentences. That's not a code. How do you just figure out what the language is? That's amazing.

I guess they're linguistic. It's not like having... And it's probably not like as conversational as we are being now. That's where you're pointing to things and going, Sure. I know what you mean. Sure, sure, sure. But I mean, like, if we had a French person visit us right now, for example, we would get an interpreter

who knows that language, because they've learned that language, or speak that language anyway. And then they could interpret between. These people have just figured out their language. And now they can all just chat. They just decoded it Do you know I think that's really interesting? It is incredible. What way would do now though? Is it app? No, we'd go we'd go I'm assuming these people can speak English

Because we're fucking lazy. Yeah, Australian households who just assume people good You can speak what I'd say. I don't have to do anything here I'll speak a little slower or louder yeah slower and louder that's the way you can cut through that's that's how I decode Yes, please over here. Thank you one drink Yeah, look mate. I'm gonna stand here until you go back into the kitchen and find someone who can speak my language I did a few times that I tried to speak like French and in France, they'd go, I speak English, it's okay. Please, no more ruining about language. This is embarrassing for you, embarrassing for me. I was always like, how do they know straight away that I speak English?

Yeah, I did Italian at school, so I would try to speak Italian to Italians, and they would initially answer me with like a hello in Italian, and then they'd go, how can I help? Damn it! I wanted to trick you into thinking I was one of you, but it's probably because I'm going, bomb-journo! Good day, bomb-journo! Where is this bomb-journo I keep hearing so much about it. Come a, Stai. Stakosikosie. Mekiyama Jess.

Etou. Mekiyama Jesso. Originage. How do you say nailed it? I'm back to England where they've deciphered their language or at least part of it. Mantello, one of the Indian tribal leaders, was reportedly fascinated with the European's technology and was keen on learning English. One cheese, however, the other leader showed little interest in learning English and did not preferent his hosts,

remaining suspicious of the English motives, and thought the more as his captors. So one of them is really keen and fascinated with everything and the other ones, a bit more standoffish. I'd probably be in the latter camp to be honest if they just chucked me on a boat and taken me four months to a place that looks nothing like I'd ever seen before. Raleigh reported the discovery of Rowanoke Island to his queen Queen Elizabeth I and he was knighted for his efforts. So that's what... Which one's Queen Elizabeth again, the red head?

Ah, the Virgin Queen, yes. Yeah, she's one of the famous ones, real long-range. Really long? Yeah. Virgin Queen, yeah, she was... Even the queen couldn't get a good dick in. She could've... She could've...

What are that phrase? Oh, you never heard of it? Maybe ever. She never had a child. Good dick in. Get a child's dick in. No, no, when you put her like that, a child's dick in the... Yeah, you never heard of that.

You never heard of that. Good child's dick. No, no when you put a lot of that a child's dick and Good child's dick and Tail of two dickies I'm sorry Never apologize. Yes, he was the never apologize She was the Virgin Queen okay, well don't harp about. I'm sure she did lots of things. Oh no, but she was very famous for being a... No, but you know, don't have to believe.

And her father was a... I guess he was by choice, right? Yeah, he was a real ugly. Well, I mean sure. We've all seen photos, but... Well, everybody wanted you to probably be a virgin too, if your father was Henry the eighth and chopped off two of these Yeah, yeah from an ugly bother doing that good point That's where you went because For me, I thought you're gonna finish that sentence as you'd probably be a virgin too

If you were that I'll go a Redhead Virgin to. If you were that I'll go. A red head. Yeah. In the 16th century. I'm a red head. I'm allowed to say that. If any red heads at home are getting offended I was being ironic. We are the most beautiful race. Wow. Taking that out of context. The two Native American men were able to describe the politics and geography of the area to Raleigh who was now convinced a colony could be set up on Rowan, Oak Island, so he organized a second expedition. So that was one of the good things about bringing these to tribal people. They could tell him about the area, about the other tribes that they fought against,

with the dangerous bits, what they ate, that kind of stuff. She was an ogre. Oh, she's real, I got it. That weird neck she's got for starters. Yeah, it's got a phil neck. She's got a jack-a-been rough. Oh no. It's got a very narrow face.

And people look different back then. Yeah, and that's what's a painting. Have you looked at her dad? Jesus. Her dad was Jesus. Well her dad liked to think that he was talking to Jesus and that's why he was with the church and it was fine. Hey it doesn't matter how you look Dave or I just want to make that clear. Not very clear. I'm not a I'm not a shallower. I want to say it doesn't matter how you look it just

matters if you were born into royalty and therefore You can fuck everyone you want even I go is all not deserve a good child stickins Especially our goes. Yeah a pity child stickins nothing better So he's organized a second expedition rally the this expression was about 100 men across five ships and This expression was about 100 men across five ships and Manteo and one cheese were returned to their homes. Oh, please to know. When I started reading about them, I was like, it's not going to end well, but they got to go home. Manteo acted as an interpreter and a guide for the English and one cheese who didn't like them as much went back to join his people. The second colony was intended to be for a military post for men only,

but they lack supplies and arrived at a bad time of year to be able to grow crops. The English started stealing from the Native American tribes, robbing their fist traps. And unlike before, it was no longer a season of the year when they had a surplus of food. It was like a wintersy type thing. So they couldn't have felt afford to share

with the English anymore. So tensions started to rise between them. Oh no. So the so the first time I was thinking this is just how it is. Yeah, they've got heaps of food. Yeah. You cool with it. And then they went back and the tribe are like, no, no, we need that to live. Yeah, this is to survive. This is how. If the first trip spelled good relations for the English and the native folk, that was soon destroyed and hostilities formed between the two groups of people. I can't imagine why. The settlers routinely kidnapped local tribal leaders and held them

for ransom despite relying on these quote savages for food and supplies. It's like, hey you guys know how to survive here so I will just capture you a leader and you'll give us all the food or kill him. Yeah, clearly you guys are the savages. Yeah, I know, it's so stupid. Because you're not Christian. Exactly. Yeah, I get it. That makes sense to me.

It's it. You're a redhead, you get how should I get out of this with the first thought? You're the best race. Yeah, and we're a race. All words, mate. Well, you also blamed one of the Native Americans for stealing one of their valuable silver cups. So retaliated by sacking and burning that burning that man's in time of hoolage. Sacking similar to dickin. They sacked it. Is that way it's like where you when you toilet paper a tree or a house?

They just throw sacks all over everything. Because that would be like tea bagging. Bloody, that would be annoying to clean up. Yeah, it would. In between on that fire. This is fire, tea billets. Jesus, are the English lived inside a fort that they'd built? Pillow fort.

Pillow fort, of course. From all the sacks, the surplus sacks. Sackfort. They were attacked by Indian villages that they had ransacked, and they were lucky to hold them off. Now they're basically at war with each other. Soon after the attack, another famous Englishman, so Francis Drake, was on his way home from a successful raid around the corner in the Caribbean, and he stopped at the colony and offered

to take the colonists back to England because you saw that I was struggling several accepted. These rownut colonists introduced tobacco maze and potatoes to England. Oh that's cool. There you go. Walter Raleigh is actually credited with popularizing tobacco in England. Okay. Wow. So he's less impressive now. But he brought potatoes to America. And I fucking love it. Which ended up in Idaho where the Spuds Club formed. That's a good point. Matt knows this history. So a few people went home but the rest are sticking out in the fort. If you bury a Spud, do more spud's grow? Is it a possibility? Is it like the seed?

It is, it's like the root, isn't it? And then they go, it sprouts up from there. Have you ever left a potato too long in your pantry? You go into a little roots again, yeah. That's it. So mine not grow more potatoes, but it'll grow, it'll flower. And maybe those flowers become potatoes. Welcome to Agriculture Hour on Ducowalon. Maybe those flowers become potatoes. Welcome to agriculture hour on DIGOON.

Maybe those flowers become potatoes. Sometimes we ask questions and then we make ourselves look real dumb. Well, you look at objects. I think you're fine that I nailed it. I think you find the potato flower is pretty, pretty, pretty cool thing. I've been back on the island, the remaining men

are running out of food and under constant fear of attack.'ve been back on the island, the remaining men are running out of food and under constant fear of attack. They decided to abandon the settlement and return to England in the ships that they came on, which is a bit of a bummer. They came on the ships. And then they sailed to wash it off. It's a bit of a bummer that they left because if they'd stayed for two more, it's a bummer that they left because if they'd stayed for two more, it's a bummer that they left because if they'd stayed for two more weeks, the men would have received, there was a supply ship coming from England that came two weeks later and was like,

hey, where's all the goods? Oh no, this is a bloody, it's a bloody Birkenwil, isn't it? It's a bit of a work again. Need to work out a way to communicate. Walkie talkies or something. When the supply ship they'd been waiting for arrived, it found the colony deserted. And wanting to keep the territory for England,

they dropped off 15 soldiers to hold the fort, so to speak. Oh, dear. And wait for more English people to arrive. So now there's just 15 people on the island. And then you're 15. New 15. They don't know the lay of the land. They wanted to wait for more English people to arrive and arrive they did.

The third group of people is now known to history as the lost colony of Rowanoke. So that will happen to them. So this was all preamble. The story starts now. Oh geez. Check you watch this ladies and gentlemen. Are you working way too hard for way too little? There's never been a better time to consider a career in IT.

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North of Rowan, I call it a long way up. 115 people. 115. This time men were joined by women and children, 17 women and nine children, so that one I make is not just soldiers, this time I actually want to start like a new society. Instead of wages, each settler was dated a 50 acre plot, thereby giving them a stake in the undertaking. So the success, you'll be a success. If it's not, you'll die a horrible, horrible death.

This expedition, the third one was led by a man named John White. Boring, man. It's the most important thing ever. J.O.H.N. J.O.H.N. Yeah, boring. White, W-H-I-T-E. Boring.

He was an artist and a friend of Raleigh who had accompanied the previous expedition to Raleigh and I used to be in there a lot. What kind of art? Like quite post-modern art deco. No, like really good watercolors and sketches. Boring. I'm afraid he good watercolors and sketches. Blowing. I'm afraid I'm sorry I didn't create art. You didn't create art deco 350 years before.

It's the Campbell cans or nothing for me. Oh really? High art then. Yeah. Campbell, this is referring to the modern art. Papa. It's still there. Anyway. Papa. Or literally just the labels on the cans. Dave did. Popper. Dildo. Popper.

Popper. Or literally just the labels on the cans. Still aren't. I think it's art either way. Everything's art. We think it's art. Header extensive, this is John White. He's a good artist.

He's extensively sketched the landscape and local, our Native American people. These works are significant as they are the most informative illustrations of a Native American society on the Eastern Sea Board and now those drawings are in the British Museum. Well, good for John White. Well, it's kind of like the equivalent of traveling to like a brand new land and taking a photo

and coming back because you sketch, if you look at them, they're really, really good. He's a great artist. Okay. Pay him that, Jess. All right. Pay him. I'm just saying he's boring. Sorry.

But sure, he's a good ass. Boring old John White was appointed governor of the 1587 colony. And of the 115 people, 12 assistants were named to aid in the setting up of the colony. That's that's a good number of assistants. Doesn't have a dozen. I'd go back as dozens, be honest, that's just me. On the way to Chesapeake Bay. I mean that's what they're going to have.

Chesapeake Bay. Chesapeake Bay. Chesapeake Bay. Chesapeake. That's me. Chesapeake, that's me. That's me. Hey everyone, that's not this girl name, everything from that one.

Imagine that. She's really going to come out with names. Jess, what would you call this boat? Chesapeake. She's really going to come out with names. Jess, what would you call this boat? Jess-a-peeeeee. She's done it again. They're on the way to Jess-a-peek-bay. On the way there, they were ordered to stop off at Rono-Gyland to pick up the 15 soldiers that were left there the previous year. But when they arrived on July 22nd, 1587, they found the settlement abandoned and in shambles. The bones of one of the 15 soldiers there before them with the only physical evidence Of what had before and the previous settlers. Yeah, how long had passed?

A few months. Oh, that's not enough time to rot down to your bones. Yeah, I don't think you rotted. Yeah, if you're out in the open Okay, I don't understand just down to bone. No,, surely not it's been it's been quite a few months Out in the open. I guess if vultures are picking away at the at the meat The meat and potatoes probably Just as the first to go I think they did. Just as the first to go. What? They were delicacy for vultures.

Vultures they were, they're highly sought after. They call them the ball bird. Soldier balls? Yeah, they love balls. Today? Yeah. They'll be the first to go. Yes, the balls.

The balls. What if, oh, what if you were still a bit alive? No, no, no. Even more reason. No, no, no. Because the balls might be taken away, you get away, you can't. That Can't yeah, I deal you get the balls or this still fresh The balls start rotten you know why not you don't want rotten balls And the balls if the balls of rotten don't come a knock on the pain the balls of fresh

Eat them Jess That's what they say if you didn't Vultures name is Jess obviously which I I would also know in Vultures. And that plays, yes they were all. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh. So all they found, they found bones of one of 15 men. And I remember these soldiers, they had a fort and cannons and all kinds of stuff, all gone.

And they were presumably all dead. So they started freaking out a little bit. Holy shit. When they could find no one, the master pilot and a Spanish man who had defected to Surfer England, the man named Simon Fernandez Simon Simon Fernandez he refused to let the colonists return to the ships Insisting that they established a new colony on Rowanoke instead of keep going to Chesapeake Bay

Why? Fernandez and governor white did not get along and basically Fernandez just wouldn't let them get back on the boat. How can this one guy not let, what, how many people 115? Yeah, he's just standing, you know when you're standing a doorway with your arms in a bag. Big and big. What's a password?

What's a password, Dickhead? You get three shots. You can't get on the boat. Fuck off. It's my boat. Yeah, that doesn't seem to make sense. Well, according to White's journal Fernandezanders his deputy call to the sailors charging them not to bring any of the planters back again The people but leave them on the island faced with what amount of amount of to be a mutiny by his navigator

White appeared to have backed down and let finanders have his way and sail off leaving them there What the fuck wait fin Fernandez sailed off. Yeah, so he was, that was his job. He was in charge of the ship. Right. Then whites in charge of him, but he didn't listen to white anymore. People have speculated about his motive,

this guy Fernandez, memory Spanish. He apparently claimed that the weather was more appropriate for them to stop at Roanoke and that they had to leave because of an impending hurricane, which I've read reports. that's possibly bullshit. White speculates the reason that he may have been prompted by his desire and his crew to return to the West Indies, which is close to North Carolina, then where they were going, to pursue opportunities of piracy against the Spanish where they could make more money. So basically he's like, now you guys stay here and I'll go be a pirate over here and I'll get rich. Right. And I don't think White was a very good leader

because he let the guy go. So now, 115 men, women and children are stuck on Royal Nocail and governed by John White, who had brought his pregnant daughter and her husband along with them. So they're part of the group. Grandpa White. Governor White worked to reestablish relations with the Croix-Towen and other local tribes, the people that they had a lot of trouble with in the past. But the ones that they'd fought previously refused to meet with him, not surprisingly. Shortly thereafter, colonists George Howe, who was part of the group, was killed by an Native American while searching alone for crabs on the beach. So, it's not going

well. No, it's not great. Now trapped on an island with people that don't really like you. But cause of the broken relations with most of the tribes, the settlers were dependent on supplies for England, and things were not easy for them. So they can't really grow enough food to feed everyone. Oh dear. Governor White's burdens were lightened when his daughter gave birth in August to Virginia dare, the first English child born in the Americas. Doesn't that increase his burden at lightning? Now he's got to look after an extra mouth to feed. This baby is a tragedy. Whilst the colon of struggling to survive it was

decided that white would return to England to gather up some much needed supplies, get a boat and come back and sort of rescue everyone. So does he have us there was a spare boat. But like a smaller one. Right. So big enough for him and a few people to go home but they can't get 115 people on board. The lead what a what a great leader. I'm going to leave you all here. I'll come back. I'll leave my baby granddaughter here. I'll go, it's fine.

He was... PRB. Possibly bravely or stupidly, he crossed the Atlantic at the time of year where it was considered a considerable risk. But he made it. He made it home. However, once he got home to England, a war broke out between England and Spain,

and every single ship was commandeered by the Navy to attack the powerful Spanish Armada. So this left white with no way to get back to Roanoke. So we now it's got to wait to this war finishes so we can get a ship. In the spring of 1588, which is the next year, white managed to acquire two small vessels

and sailed back to Roanoke. However, his attempt to return was thwarted when the captains of the ships attempted to capture several Spanish ships on the way there. They thought they could get a bit more cash on the way if they captured these Spanish ships, but they themselves were captured and their cargo seized. So he's got all these supplies locked and to go go drop off and then they roll the dice and lose So so nothing left to deliver to the colonists here to go back to England John white what about what about?

John white is about. He wasn't able to get back to row on oak was supplies for three years Three years. Guys, I'll be right back. B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R, B-R Super easy. So it's gonna go but Get some beer. Be up. You want to know I'm gone. It'll fly Kick back three years later. No, it's crazy He finally gained passage on a private hearing expedition organized by John Watson Walter Raleigh. They so these people are they're sort of they've high they've hitched a ride on a boat That's already going to that area. Do you know what it's not so bad that it took him three years because he had seven. Oh.

Yeah. Guys, I've got eighties. That's real keen. I've got eighties. I've got three. They give everyone, get seven years to do anything back then. That was it. That's how it was.

That's why there's that age gap between my brother and I. Yeah, at seven. It's like you've got to have another one within seven years and then no more. You're supposed to do anything in that in that 70 period. They did nothing. And they listen. They did nothing in that time. They waited. Yeah. Oregan John was like, should we just get the second one done now?

And he's like, we've got the second one. There's seven years. Let's wait till six years, three months, we've got it done. And they did. And their life they said. And the rest they said. And the rest they said. And the rest they said.

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Yeah. Call me Jess. Are you alright? Yeah. So they're on this private ship now. They agreed to stop this private ship. Agreed to stop off at Roanoke on the way back to England after raiding the Spanish in the Caribbean.

OK. So they're like, we'll do a bit of plundering. But on the way back, you can stop off and see your daughter and grandchildren are still alive. White landed on August 18th, 1590, his grand daughter's third birthday? But as the party stepped ashore, there was no sign of the call to the third birthday party. I totally miss me to serve. Birthday party, it was as a party arrived.

Oh right, dreamers and everything. Third birthday. You better believe he's wearing a hat. Oh yeah. Which was weird, because they normally would take seven years to have a third birthday party. We're celebrating your third birthday, then only 10, obviously. There was no sign of the colonists or the settlement.

No, no. He's been, could not find any trace of the 90 men, 17 women and 10 children left behind. Crazy. Okay. Are there houses? No, just haunted. He don't. He just left them.

Traptores. Traptores. Traptores. I'm going with these early. I reckon tunnels under the island. Mole people. Mole people. Mole, man.

Well, just I really hate when you jump ahead to my conclusion, which was gonna be in conclusion Moll people. Thank you. Goodbye But you ruined it Now I have to go Can't even go through these facts that I've got here Well the boring evidence of what really happened Inclusion Moll people That's always the reason they were doing. Just why have you done your homework? Um, mall people? I think you know. You just point to a badge that says it was the mall people.

He points to a badger like that but a mall. We didn't have a mole here, they're all with my homework. There's a badger which gives you the idea. So the people aren't there. The houses and fortifications had been taken down, not burned, not destroyed, indicating that they did not leave in a hurry. So like packed down. Like they've got the Allen key out, they've dismantled the like key lucky furniture.

So gone. Okay. The only sign that they'd even been there was a section of large wooden fence that would have been the perimeter of the camp. That remained, and the word, Croat Toan, was carved into the wood, and Cro was carved into a tree. Like someone was carving it again, the message. So spooky.

Crow a toad. Like they didn't get through it the second time, you mean? Is that you mean? Yeah, or maybe they decided, I mean, Crow dot dot dot. Maybe that one. Yeah, you get it. Crow, et cetera.

Yeah. Or maybe they'd done the second one on the tree and been like, oh yeah, I don't need this. Oh, that was the first one. Oh, the fence, that's better. Yeah. I said do it on the fence. What are you doing?

The tree, you could grow back. You won't be back for seven years. But Croatowan is the name of a nearby island. Oh. Croat-Towent. That's a pretty clear clue. Yeah. Good clue. Very good clue.

Why was very surprised? Because the colonists had all agreed that if they were ever in trouble or if they were forced to leave that they would carve the symbol of a multi-cross into wood. What's a multi's cross look like? What does the cross be a little bit flamboyant? Oh, mate, multi's. The multi's a flamboyant table. A little bit flamboyant. It's like a multi's cross shitsoo.

I got a multi's cross shits, you know, I'm talking. A dog. It's like Calvin dog into the tree. That was the symbol. Not even specifying what it's crossed with. That was just's cross. It's a cross, it's a bit of a map. I also love him. I always love that, they're like you just. It's agreed if we leave in panic, we'll do a multi's cross. It gets to the day they're panicking and no one knows what some multi's cross look like. I don't know.

But like, it seems you knew. Yeah, if you say draw a cross in the tree, I'd draw a cross. Yeah. But then you got like a Christian cross or an X-max, a spot cross. What's a multi-scross? This is a multi-scross, I've just googled image to it. Ah, I see, I get it. It kind of looks like a full leaf cloth.

It does a bit. Yeah. It's a good looking cross. Yeah. I enjoyed that a lot. Okay, so that's a pretty fucking big clue to me though, isn't it? Crowa Toan, that's the name of an island. They must have gone there. Yes.

Oh no. White wanted to explore Crowa Toan Island to look for the settlers, but low on provisions, the loss of the sea anchors in a storm, impending bad weather, and privateers general in patience to want to go home, prevented them from stopping there. So he went, oh let's just go over there and look and they were like, we've got to go. No one went, they didn't go! What the fuck? They didn't look for him. How would they have gotten there they didn't have a boat right? Well, they would have had smaller boats, so we're taking probably several trips back and forth. Right. There's a possibility like that, but you go and look right when you go.

Yeah, it's 120 of you people there. They had the tricky thing was that they had a fox or chicken. I'm dirt. Well, eggs or something like that. And they had to. Yeah, they had one boat. And he can't leave the fox alone with a chicken. Obviously. Do you know that puzzle, Jess? No.

No. It's going to say it sounds really weird if you don't know. I just didn't. It's just... I don't worry about it. Jess, you won't get it. I think I't. I don't know about it. I guess you won't get it. I think I do. It's a maths problem. You would hate it.

Oh, I won't get it. It's one of those tedious things. It's a big dumb. So you can only take one thing. I think the thing is, you can only fit one thing in the boat at a time. You can't leave the hen on the shore with the fox, because the fox will leave the hen. And you can't leave the hen on the shore with the fox, because the fox is the fox will leave the hen. And he can't leave the hen on the shore with the hay, because the hen will leave the hay. So it's like this completely anything with what you take the fox, put it on what a fucking hen seat. Yeah, I can't remember what the third thing was.

Definitely a hen in a fox. And also a 1995 game boy. And you can't leave a fox alone with a game It'll fuck it. Yes, you you got a little bit of lead all your saved levels Tradol you good Pokemon It'll do the know you could Pokemon, but no don't set it free. It's level 94 So they didn't go 12 years went by Before Raleigh who's in charge of all this shit decided to find out what had happened to his lost colony Including his granddaughter No, that was Walter White

Walter White not Walter White Johnny White, the artist. The bad governor. Yeah. He just, I just said, because twice now people have said, no, we don't want to do that. And he's gone, okay. Like, hey, we want to leave you here, possibly to die. Okay, we're not going to go five miles over there to see if your family's still alive. Okay. That's all good. Good on me.

The make will inherit the earth. Remember that. How? How? They're so meek! You're fucking grab it. Use your hands, John. Stop drawing, pick up an axe.

You multi-shit-sit. Yeah, you multi-shit-sit. That's something the diva hasn't mentioned. John, what is a small dog? That's why when people said to him Stay, stay Roll over he rolled over and he just let him do whatever they want to do He's a very good boy

You love to good scratch by on the year and you'll do whatever you want So 12 years later, Walter Raleigh, you want to find out what's going on Uh led by Samuel Mase, this expedition, different from previous forages, in that Raleigh bought his own ship and guaranteed the sailors' wages so they would not be distracted by private hearing or piracy. Because what's happened is, a few times they've tried to organize people to go back, but every time they get distracted by piracy on the way. I'm just so...

I'm just so good. Like, there's literally something shiny in there. get distracted by piracy on the way. I just thought... I'm just trying to... So good. Like, there's literally something shiny in the ocean. Oh, gold! That meme that's been ever done over the last few months, the distracted meme. Oh, yeah. That's piracy, is that lady?

Look, the spoken meme is never going to go particularly well. I want you to try and post that meme later this week. I will do my best. But however, Raleigh still hoped to make money from the trip and Macy's ship first landed in the outer banks to gather some rare wood so that they could sell back in England. So by the time they could turn their attention to the columnists, the weather had again turned bad and they were forced to return without ever making it to Rowan and I caught.

So they still got distracted by piracy. This mystery is something that sound less like a mystery and more like they had, there was so long that these guys all died of old age. Yeah. There's no mystery. Maybe. Maybe. In 1603, Queen Elizabeth I died and so did Raleigh's favor with the monarchy

He was arrested for allegedly trying to get rid of the new king king James the first the Scottish King This is the Scottish Jew at my grand pappy your grand pappy so What Raleigh possibly or possibly not was plotting against to get rid of him? This is difficult for Elizabeth to have an air when she's a virgin. What would you harp on about? All she had was air. It's almost something. She didn't have any babies. She had air. All she went out of her self was air. No babies. She had an air. And I'd feel like it's almost something, doesn't it? It it so close to being very good

I don't want to give you quite meaning. It's nothing just air. I'll give you five minutes to come back with a great quip Quip so Riley's arrested for a Plotty against the new king. I remember I said he went to jail before yeah, this time he goes to the Tower of London for 13 years. Oh my god. Not an asbestos to be. The views are very bad there. Have you been there? The Tower of London? By the tiny little window. Oh, that's the worst. I walk past it, yeah. The way the pub. It costs a lot of money. I went in and said it's 40 pounds or something to do to it.

Yeah, too much. That's too much. It's too much. I can think of much better things you could spend 40 pounds on. Yeah, yeah But only pounds worth of M&Ms in M&M worlds. Well, you know, there's plenty of pound Pound pount knots. Yeah, when I was there 10 years ago. 40 pubs a pound for one point. Yeah, pound Ridgulous isn't it thinking about it now. It's like $2.50 for a pint. No, it's like a dollar 80 or something Anyway, I mean, it's probably a relative isn't it? Hey, it's like a dollar 80 or something. It's even Pair. I mean, it's probably a relative, isn't it? It's a penny on when you were there. Yeah. Yeah, back in 1904, when the pal was, you know, inflation's gone up a lot since Matt was a child. That's true. When I was drinking plants in England, is it as a young boy?

As a young lad, a young pup. So now he's, so Walter Raleigh is now in the Tower of London. He's no longer able to go and look for his colony Because he's life's gone to shit. Great skis. There was one final expedition in 1603 led by Bitholm, you Gilbert, with the intention of finding Rona colonists. So this is now 16 years later. With the intention of finding role-known colonists. This is now 16 years later Or 15 years later their intended destination was Chesapeake Bay again, but bad weather forced them to land in an unspecified location near that

The landing team including Gilbert himself was killed by a group of Native Americans for unknown reason The remaining crew were forced to return to England empty handed. So again, no one's actually got there So what happened to them? what happened to these people? Oh, we already mold people what the shitsoo The small dog in his memoirs. He was of the opinion that the group had moved inland Then into the forest like moles would do buried inland Into the bor forest of North Carolina. Like moles would do. Yes. Very inland. Into the forest. Into the forest of North Carolina. Yeah, the North Carolina.

Because borrowed inland. If I understand what inland means. 40 meters into the soil. Into the forest of North Carolina. But that's his opinion. But there's no archaeological evidence to back that up. So, I don't know about that. The English set up their first successful settlement in Jamestown, Virginia, in 1607, 20 years later.

And that's the first sort of... Jamestown, I guess after King James, you'd think? Yep. But in... Well, I mean, it definitely makes sense. The guy who said that his theory was they moved in land and lived happily ever after. He was one of the guys who would be trying to probably offset his guilt. He's the one who lived in that.

Repeatedly abandoned them. Yeah. Right? Yeah, no, they lived a great life in land. Right, they're fine. Yeah, loved it. Yeah. They're rich and...

It's a sea view. There's a lovely... There's nothing but sea views. Oh, the cafe culture. Real good avocado. Oh, the lattes. Mm-hmm. So the James Down people, this is the famous settlement.

They were wondering what happened to their, you know, possible friends and relatives at Roanoke. So the new James Down settlers questioned local natives if they knew anything about the Roanoke colony. Some of these Native Americans told tales of white settlement further down the coast with two story thatched roof houses, which is a style unique only to English people. Others, this is another Native Americans told of nearby tribes who could read English and dress similarly to Europeans.

One of the James Settlers alleged that they once saw a boy dressed as an American Indian, but he was fair, skinned and blonde. So this could mean two things, two theories here. One is that the Roanoke colony simulated, possibly just to survive, with the tribes that they'd been friendly with, which makes sense, struggling to struggling to survive. There's people know how to catch food, that kind of thing. Let's work together. Yeah, and some of them were friendly. The other theory is that one or more of the hostile tribes that attacked the colony and presumably killed all the men, and possibly what they would do in that situation is sell the women and children into slavery. So that could have happened. And then they

may have assimilated from that. That's less nice. It is less of a... Yeah, the shit-soo is going, I like option A. Yeah. Can we put that in the paper? They're all friends. And we just go, let's all get together. Everyone's very happy getting a good dick in the...

That was sorry. That was sorry, Dickens. That was sorry, Dickens. That's a big dick in the... If the groups had come together over the course of generations, the settlers and the Native Americans, into marriage between the Native Americans and English settlers could have produced a third distinct group, this group, some people claim, and even the people themselves, maybe the Lumby tribe, which is a tribe of Native Americans native to North Carolina, where their origin is not known. So even some of the modern day Lumbee people say that their ancestry is part of the

Roanoke colony. And I have read that people are attempting to do DNA testing to see if they have European blood, but no word on that yet. So that's possibility. And if that is the truth, it would be hard to tell whether, you know, if they were captured or if they'd Asimulated or if some people got were friendly and other people went to this other island, but anyway, you can't you can't figure out whether or not It was friendly or not 5 DNA That's right. No, it's difficult to

Science has got a long way to go, doesn't it? It really does. Yeah, disappointing. That is disappointing. Come, science. Come on, science. You're dickhead? Yeah. Maybe science, they're dickin'. Look at us. Look at us being a dickhead.

Well, yeah. It took a common enemy, science. Science. Science is a big, science is a big dog and needs two people to take it down. This is nice. I've got science, although it's the worst. Obviously.

The benefit of it being that it's brought us together. Together, which is nice. Yeah, fuck science. Fuck science. Yeah. Together. Now, what are we going to fuck science together? You're going to give science a big dick in.

Together. Together. Friendship. Another possible explanation for the colonist disappearance is that they were attacked by the spanish uh... who had settlement south of them in florida one ronok setler named dabi gland gland

gland that's a great great but gland gland with an egg gland glandy uh... really thought jess was going this Derby but she has a...

I like Derby! Yeah, but Glam! He's family, not a good one. Can we rename him Derby Derby? Derby Gland. That's not bad. I'm coming around to it. This is called him Derby.

Gland is not a good one. Gland is not good. So this guy Derby Gland, he left the 1587 expedition, which is the second one, once it's on the way there in Puerto Rico to get some, so stopped in Puerto Rico to get some supplies, and he got off. There's Spanish people there. He later reported that he told the Spanish officials

that they were going to Roanoke, so the Spanish people knew that they were there. So possibly, that may explain why everything was down, was taken down, not the search. So the Spanish went there, overpower them, killed all the people, and then just took down their houses because obviously once the English arrived, they see no houses, they go, oh, let's not bother setting up here again. And they can also just take all their stuff, and use it again.

Loot it, raid it, that kind of stuff, which everyone's into, through this golden age of piracy. One of the things that makes it very difficult to... And this is a bit sciencey. Oh! It's difficult to say what happened. It's out. It's been a far out. It's difficult to say what happened at Rowanoke,

because there is no modern archaeological evidence to examine. This is probably because over 400 years the island's shoreline has eroded up to a quarter of a mile, meaning that whether camp once stood is probably underwater now. That's a shit excuse science, figure it out. Fuck you, so- Get a submarine you dickhead. Yeah.

Figure it out. Science. Science isn't about questioning things, it's about blindly giving answers. Fucking out. Science. This is the, um, final piece in story I'll tell you. The most famous piece of possible archaeological evidence of what happened to the colony are referred to as the dare stones.

From the dare gallery. Which is a furniture shop like Melbourne. Like good. Like, it do mean like, like ornamental stones, like decorative stones. Oh yes. Oh yes I do these would make a great conversation piece on the dining room table oh you don't you don't sit on it you look at it shout out to all the fans of dare gallery they advertise you they're trying to be like rich in

European and wonky pretty low budget ads awful ads Deirice coffee which is one of the saints main just Anyway, I tell us about the the day I'm in 1937. They had days on them. I day you to start a colony and not die Challenge accepted double-decker. I had truth You had to flip it flip Flip the stone. Fun game. Fun game. Wish I'd said truth.

A 1937, a Californian tourist named Louis Hammond. Great name. You love that one. That's a good name. A gland. No, Louis Hammond. Turned up at Emory University in Atlanta. Atlanta, Georgia, saying that he found the, he found these stones on a newly open stretch of Highway 17 near Edenton, North Carolina, whilst hunting for hikari nuts.

I remember there were too much stories. He was in a vulture. He's looking for hikari nuts. He's hunting for them. He's keeping them hunt for nuts. He's got a butt. He's got a vulture. They fucking hunt for nuts. He's got a box, you're a vulture. Yeah. They fucking hunt for nuts. They hunt for nuts. He's got a shotgun. He's shooting at nuts. I got it. He's going to pick it and go to nuts.

I've never heard of hickory nuts. There's a possible that they're like some sort of a mammal. They're really violent. Hickory nuts. Hickory. Anyway, he found a stone and he went all the way to Atlanta, Georgia, which is south of this area. On the stone, he found a message, supposedly inscribed by Eleanor White Dare, who was the daughter of John White and the mother of Virginia Dare, the first child of English to

Santa B. Born there. It stated on one side, that Eleanor's husband and daughter were dead and asked the finders to communicate this with their father. On the other side it explained that all but seven of the colonists had been killed by American Indians and then it was signed EED. Eleanor White Debt. The stone was examined by Dr. Hayward Jefferson Pierce Jr. Fuck, yes! That's such a long name! He was a professor of American history and he thought it was authentic. Disagree. Peace also, my people.

My people forged it. To throw us off the scent. The Moli Moli scent. Peace also knew he needed some more evidence to confirm the authenticity of the stone. And on the original stone, it alluded to a second stone that was part of a series. Oh, it said PTO. Oh, PTO. Where's the two?

Oh, this is one dash two, one of two. One of two stones. I think that this is great, Dave. Is this actually a mystery? Do you have the answer on the second stone? Well he wants to see the second stone right. So he offered a $500 reward if anyone could find the second stone. I'm in 500 bucks. $500. Is this a long, long time ago? 1930s. I'm not interrupting my hickory nut hunting. It's probably like it's the equivalent of like 5,000 dot bucks or something. I'm still not interrupting. Just doesn't get out of bed at a big guess. Sorry, not everyone drives a Ferrari. That was in the center. It just doesn't get out of bed.

I'm stuck. We have wheeled you in on a single, trundle pad. It's comfy. I like it. I don't know why we didn't mention it before, but Jess is broken every limb. Oh don't jinx me. Let's get in on the way home. I'm trying to stop. You're not gonna break every limb on the way home from this recording. If I have a car accident, you're gonna feel so bad. Oh, well, I probably would anyway. Especially if I caused it. If I was ramming you, I'm ramming you to the back of your car. Are your legs broken yet, Jess?

I've had a beer. So he's having 500 bucks. A sizeable sum. I'm just gonna go my hand on the wood. On the wall now, I'm just really smart, let's say. Enter a local stone cutter named Bill Herberhart, who claims that he had found the second stone. But not just that, by 1940, Bill had found 40 more stones.

OK, Bill. Bill's got his stone riding pan out, I think. These stones were found 300 miles south of the other one in South Carolina. So somehow one stone's ended up here. 40 other stones have ended up for three and a half. And they're meant to scuffed by a dude who has the ability to carve things into stone. But he's gone 500 bucks for one stone.

I've got 40. I'm fucking rich. Fuck, Bill. Too much waste. On these stones it told a complicated tale of the fate. Tudor an adventure story. Turn to stone 43. If you want to see this child alive. John Pierce, he handed in every stone except stone 43. So John Pierce is like fuck. All right, I'll give you another 500 bucks if you can find stone 43 The stones told the complicated tale of the fate of the lost colony The stones were addressed to John White and called for revenge against the quotes savages and told Eleanor's father

The direction taken by the survivors so all it had all this crazy crazy stuff the direction taken by the survivors. So all it had all this crazy crazy stuff indicating that she'd remarried and that she'd That she'd married the king of a local tribe and all this all these sort of you know sort of far out things and a stone dated 1599 and announced Eleanor de'er's death and said that she'd left behind a daughter named Agnes Agnes. Agnes. Oh, that's a beautiful man. In 1941, which is the year after these were discovered, a journalist wrote of the stones being forgeries and debate, debate has raged on ever since. Now, I will say, nearly everyone agrees that the ones

found by Bill, who ended up getting $2,000 for his troubles. Wow. So he forced Bill to be safe. Everyone, he wanted to, he wanted to try, he wanted $20,000. Did you see how fast I did that man? That was real fast Thank you so that was really good. Thank you. I'm getting better. Do you I have a tutor? Learning man Wow Nearly everyone agrees so ones found by bill are absolutely bullshit Yeah, I mean there's a couple of people have written books about and stuff

Of course they want you to believe it's a brother book. They bill shit. Most people think they point to Bill and they say, Bill shit. This guy is Bill shit. That's what happens, Bill shit. Oh, Bill shit over here found 40 stones. But the original stone, which I will say also looks a little bit different to the others because this is what happened with Bill stones.

The original one looks like a kidney stone. What for the other way. He wrote on some good say on my, they are microscopic. Is that when people write on a grain of rice? Guys, I found 40 grains of rice, I have 20,000 dollars. Now when I'm with Bill was, the original stone looks really old and stuff. Bill's stones, apparently when you pick them up, they started to crumble a little bit. And people are like, how have they lasted 400 years? But now I pick them up and they crumble, Bill. What the fuck, Bill? But the original one, there is still serious debate

amongst scholars whether that one is real. It's the original stone. So maybe they did survive, maybe. But why was your island stone? Like, what is it last? Just send an email. Yeah. I would have thought email would have made more sense. A notebook, you're not restricted. Yeah, put it up into the cloud. Put it in the cloud. If you want it to last forever, put it in the cloud.

On Facebook, that's timeless. Yeah, they, they own it if you put it up there. It's like, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What they're like. Well, maybe, you ever read the phone, friends? She wanted to retain the copyright on her stone. Oh, it, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, been listening to Jess, listening to her or listening to her. She told you about half an hour ago. I have been listening to her but please, yeah, what did she tell me half an hour ago? It's the mole people. Oh, pardon me. Problem solved. Sorry, let's go dig up the island now, I guarantee. We'll find them. Yeah, tunnels, moles. A whole underground city. It's like Atlantis but in land. Atlantis! Yeah! We did it. Do you know do you know other than you watch American horror story? No, I'm the horror. I'll meet you. I'm also choose get to watch it. Actually it's a horror story. It's called American horror story and every

season... I don't think for some reason it goes on actual horror that's a horror story that makes sense God you're dumb Yes, I know it's what I mean try and I tell you We did chewed her were you watching it as a family sitcom? Yeah, where's the where's the candle laughter? I've been laughing me ass off I know then people die I assume very good stuff. Well, if you don't know how to show it I think every season is a different setting. And the six... Same actors?

Yes, or similar actors a lot of the time. I love, yes, then they just reset and play different characters. Yeah, different time periods. And the six series was called American Horror Story, Rowan Oak. Ah! And the best description I could find was a couple moved to North Carolina, and during this day at a house the family has a terrifying experience because their house is on the land with the Roanoke colony moved after the famous disappearance and there's sort of references to this story.

So maybe I want to watch that. But it's really scary. Yeah I'm not. Housemates used to watch it and I'd have to get it in my room. Wouldn't that be scarier? Been by yourself in your room. No I don't want to see it. No.

But I was watching my little peronnie was great. Anyway, thank you for everyone who suggested that topic. Hopefully, I covered all the right things there because there's a lot of hearsay about what could have happened to them. Do you have any theories? Yeah, it's the most people. Thank you. We all agree. Oh, sorry, that's not a theory. It's a conclusion. Just a conclusion. An accurate conclusion. Sorry about sorry, that's not a theory. It's a conclusion. It's a conclusion. An accurate conclusion. Sorry about all that pretence at the start. Pretending it wasn't mystery.

I know it's been solved several minutes ago. We should tell people. We definitely should. We should find a way to let them know. We're trying. Hello. Is this thing on? How do I hit record?

Imagine if we hadn't record. We've been here a while. But thanks so much for listening everyone. Before you go, we would like to tell you about how you can support the show. One of the ways is to give us a sweet review on iTunes or tell a friend or how about this? To eat about the show or Instagram or Facebook about the show. That gets the message out there and we get more listeners. Well, not every now and then every week we get people saying, hey, just discover the show, so that's really really nice. And I guess it's because people are sharing it. And the

other way is to support the show via our Patreon page at patreon.com.shlass.do.go. SAS. I was like, I'll swallow before I make this announcement. I did not swallow. Slash. Do go on pod. And over there you can find sweet little extra things that you can get if you pledge to the show, including a bonus episode once a month. And we will also give you a live shout out at the end of an episode. And we would like to thank two people each now. Yes, I'm going to let you start this thing.

Thank you, Dave. That's an absolute honor. I would like to thank all the way from Southport, a gentleman who has supported the show for a while now. I would like to thank James Henderson. Oh, Henderson kids, which was an 80s Australian TV show, starring Kylie Minogue. Yeah, and James Henderson.

And we're seeing James Henderson. We're seeing that from Southport. So this week, we'll start at giving people a thing each week, right? That somehow relate to that too. What kind of mole person? Would James be? Yeah, are we going to be blind? Okay, I think so.

I think so. That's a very sensitive to life. Yeah, good senses of smell But what about James Henderson in particular like what would he's roll be in a mall society? Yeah, I think James works at the mall radio station. Yeah, I reckon it does The morning. Well on the morning. Good bowling to you. He's on the the bowling show. Oh, yeah He's quite popular. He's on Mull Billboards and stuff. Yeah yeah no he's really well. Which is what, sorry people at home don't know what that is in Mulls Society

what you might call a billboard they call Mull Billboards. Yeah of course that makes sense. Yeah so basically anything that we have here on earth above ground. Above ground, not inland. Not inland. They have, but they put a mole ahead of them. It's the kind of thing that's going to take a little bit of yet getting used to. But once you head around it, it's pretty straightforward. It's an event society. I'd also like to thank another person as well,

also from the UK, and that is Moll Nate Peterson. Wow, his name is Moll. And unfortunately, it's been silly. Nateoll Nate Peterson. Wow, his name is Moll. And unfortunately, I've been silly. Nate, Nate Peterson, I think Nate works at a laser clinic that removes moles. Oh wow. That makes sense. Like, oh, from moles. He doesn't take people out.

He doesn't kill moles. He goes like, Pew, Pew, pew. So he removes moles from society. So he's not some sort of execution or slush assassin? No, it's more like moles that looks a little suspicious maybe Have you noticed any sort of cut-changing colour in the stage? That super exciting job just became really meany all of it But he still goes about it like an assassin would

The people don't know, he comes by when they're like bathing in the beach and he shoots the moles off their back oh I'm uninvited he's also I also know this about Nate because I talked a bit on Twitter he also does mole food reviews on YouTube right you should get his moles yeah everything that's the funny thing that I like mole Spaghetti Mole spaghetti Is that what is the one? Piscetti

How do I fuck that up Nate Peterson? What a guy like his work? Thank you, Nate Can I thank some people please? How do I always land with the hardest names to pronounce? Yeah, it's almost like Dave and I do that on purpose. This week I may have definitely done that. All right, that makes sense then. I'd love to thank Ignatio Segueva. Ignatio. Oh, that's all right. Segueva.

Ignatio Seguevia from Buenos Aires. Oh, Ignatio, thank you so much. Capital of Argentina, is that right day? That's correct. And he's also the president of Mole Argentina. Wow. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. Good heavens, aren't we bliss?

We are bliss. I was gonna say, hashtag west, and I felt so bad about it. But I don't know where I'll get out of this with some sweet, heavy breath. I was gonna say hashtag west and I felt so bad about it but I Don't worry. I'll get out of this with some sweet heavy breathing. I was glitching on it Guys, I don't think anyone noticed side save the day Hello Ignacio on our initial one of service I don't know, is there a NASA sounding city in the world and Buenos Aires? I'm not saying it quite right probably. How would you say it?

Adelaide. Adelaide, sorry, I'm pronouncing it quite differently than that. What? David, who would you say it? Oh, love. It'd be breathing. Vivis. Vivis and Buenos Aires. I love it. It'd be breathing. Vibes, Vibes in.

What a sight it is. I would also like to thank Erich Eisenmanger. That can't be right. It's possibly Erich. Erich Eisenmanger. When do I tell Matt that I actually create fake credit cards? It's the side of the post wrong with fake names. Eric, I reckon it's Eric Eisenmenger.

And he's from Alberta, Canada, which is, I've never been to Canada, but Canada, like, Alberta's got some of the places that I most want to go after Gary and Diana, obviously. And if you ever see those photos of Canada, it's just like the icy blue lakes with the ice cap mountains behind and a moose. Yeah, there's always a moose. A moose in the middle. Apparently the moose right in the perfect position. I just want to be there. I really want to be there with Eric or Eric, who in the Mole Society.

Yes. He's actually a tabletop dancer. Wow. Wow. No, sorry. A mole tabletop dancer. A mole tabletop dancer. Wow. No, sorry. A multiple dancer. A multiple tabletop dancer. Yeah, a multiple tabletop,

multiple dancer. Okay, great. Yeah, which is hard because it's so packed in with dirt under there. Yeah. The tables, like the legs are in dirt, the tabletop's in dirt. So he asked us to like, dig out enough space to dance. But he does. The top part of his job.

That's why it gets paid so well. That's passion. It's passion. You'll love you, Link. I would like to thank from Bunbury. Bunbury in WA. I believe so. That's a place that has a song written about it

by friends of Rome. So, mole friends of ROM. Thank you. I would like to thank Fraser Laurie. Fraser Laurie. What does Fraser do? He's a librarian. A mole librarian.

Mole librarian. Come on mate. He specializes in dirt. Yeah, moles can't see. What are their libraries? Keep. Oh dirt, you already said it. Yeah, great.

A dirt library. He categorizes different types of dirt, you already said it. Yeah, great. A dirt library. He categorizes different types of dirt. Braille, Matt. Fraser Lorry, thank you so much for your support. Yes, of course. Our mole librarian. Audio books. There are other ways.

Yeah, well look, we've all now said something dumb on this podcast that I've made. Can I remember me saying something dumb? Oh no, that was me three times. I'd also like to thank all the way from Georgia, which is the state below South Carolina, which is a state. Not to be like to rank things, but. Which is a state below North Carolina.

Top three states there, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia. I would like to thank Sean Harris. Oh, actually, that's Cantor's Bill in Georgia's word. I thought he was saying with Sean Harris Cantor's Bill, but I've written down Sean Harris from Cantor's bill in George's word. I thought he was saying that with Sean Harris Cantor's bill, but I've written down, Sean Harris from Cantor's bill in Georgia and Sean Harris plays for the Mole Soccer team. He is the Molekeeper. Uh!

High five for that one. That's very good. Been sitting on that for about 35 seconds. I thought my moving, removing Mole's one was quite funny. That was good. Yeah. Go live, fun, don't we? We do have fun. I thought my moving removing moles was quite funny. That was good. Yeah We do have fun and we have fun because of people like Sean Harris from cantersville, Georgia Thank you so much. Sean. Thanks guys. Thanks everyone for supporting the show and thanks to you two Was that two from you Dave? Yeah, Fraser lorry from Bungry. How a mole librarian and Sean

Sean our Molly Molly I'm a whole librarian. And Sean. A whole librarian. Sean, I'm Oli. Mollie. Mollie, Mollie, Mollie, Mollie, Mollie, Mollie. That was so funny at the time. Yeah, now you're like, ooh, yeah. Yeah. What I didn't tell you guys about Nate, after doing this day job and then reviewing food at night, when he doesn't, when between jobs, he goes on the mole.

Oh, the regret. The instant regret. Oh, no, he's all the... You guys have done a panna that I should... But which he rolls aside in... In moles, society that's actually like the bachelor. Very highly regarded. Yes, that's right. The mole. The mole. He's on the mole. He's the mole.

Yeah. Anyway. Which is... Yeah, mall. He's the mall. Yeah. Anyway. Which is... Yep, okay. We gotta go. And thanks so much. We've had a few people message just recently after Dave asked people to pass the word on

around the podcast and it was so cool. People have said that they've been, they've just heard about it because of a friend and that is so nice. That's lovely. It really, really makes us feel good and it helps the show to grow and become morelia than thou. Oh my god. Like the Metallica song. Yeah, morelia than thou. Oh yeah, so spread the word. I have a great week and we'll be back next time with another show until then. I will say goodbye. Sorry about the mall stuff. Bye.

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