Two In The Think Tank - 105 - The Sodder Children Disappearance

Episode Date: October 25, 2017

On Christmas Eve, 1945, a fire consumed the Sodder family home, including five of the nine Sodder children (do they know what was causing it? ..... Sorry, bad taste) However, no remains were ever found. Did the children perish in the fire? Or something much more sinister?Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit PlanetBcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do-Go on My Name is Dave Wanakie and I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello Dave Wanakie. Hello Matt Stewart. Hello Jess Perkins. Oh very good. Hello Jess Perkins. I felt weird if I didn't say hi to everybody. That's true. You did do that. Including yourself. Well, otherwise, it's going to be strange.

How weird would that be? Huh. Anyway. Anyway. How are we? Are we good? We are good. Well, I'm good. Matt, you good? I'm all right. Yeah, I'm pretty good. We just had a little falafel.

How'd I, yeah, had a big falafel really. It's fucking huge delicious. I had a p-day possibly pied. I was embarrassed about how to say it. Yep. And she judged you. Regardless. Yeah, I kind of pointed to the menu was whispering. But I want. Hello. Can I please have a say? She went. Yep, I've got it. Yeah, you know said you are good at your job. Madam, thank you very much. It was delicious It was delicious. So we're having a good day. We have a bloody great day. Hey, I'm sure I get on to the topic Yes, let's get into the topic JP It is your turn to report on a topic that Matt and I don't know what it is

We always start with a question and I predict you have not written one It's not written one. God's help. But this is a topic that I'd never heard of, and so my question is just gonna be, have you heard? Yeah. Do you? Gentlemen, no. Do you remember? We were

japan, we were young and innocent then. Oh, were you in for two different songs? Yeah, we were in the fifth, we were in the fifth. Do you remember? The 20th also with Michael Jackson. Oh, okay, wow. Remember the time? The 20th of October, Michael Jackson. Oh, okay, wow.

Remember the time. Oh, yeah, gotcha, yep. One, the film clip with Eddie Murphy. One for about 15 minutes. Jerkin, I couldn't ask the question. No. Okay. Certainly not.

Keep talking about Michael Jackson then. Okay, well born in Gary and Diana. Gary and Diana. Woo! Love you, Gary. We've had multiple messages telling us to steer clear of Gary, which makes me want to go there. I know, maybe that's what they're trying to do.

Yeah, stay away from the gold bars that everyone gets to watch. They're treating Gary, I mean, and they're keeping us keen. Yeah, that's how it works. It's working. It's working. Anyway, do you know what happened to the soda children? Oh, soda. Soda. Soda. Soda. I'm guessing it's

real good. Yeah, they went to a theme park? One a million dollars at the theme park. I'm going to Gary and Diana had a great time. I'm gonna tell you this story about a time when some kids went to Disneyland Oh, that's right. Was it you and I in 1998? I had a lovely day and that will be my report. It's gonna be really fun. This is not gonna be good And then they went on the t-cup ride and then they went on And then they had a break and then they lined up and got a nice cold drink and then that they went on Yeah, the terrifying part of that story was they

lined up for a drink. That is harrowing. I imagine spending your day at Disneyland and lining up for a drink. That's not where you get a Disney. No, thank you. Anyway, shall I tell you about the soda family? I personally have not heard of them, Matt. No, I haven't heard of them. This was suggested by Frank Taylor on Twitter so thank you Frank and it's an interesting story so. Should we say that maybe this week is a little bit Lewini. Yes. Ah yeah you were going to do a Halloweeny top. We talked about this last week off air obviously. We said that maybe do something for Halloween which makes me probably Matt to worry what's going to happen to the sort of children. Well yeah I was looking for something

Probably Matt to worry what's gonna happen to the sort of children well. I yeah, I was looking for something I was thinking I could I'll do a murdery kind of topic. I'll do like it. I don't like one of those scary rides The time the side of children went on a roll a ghost that again, but she'll swing he said that horror ride Is it just the whispering yeah, this is the whisper. Okay cool. Well good to know. I'll do that a bit through the episode then, Eric. So, let's start with the patriarch of the family, George Soda. And he was born, George Yosodu in Sardinian Italy in 1895. Beautiful he said. Thank you. He immigrated to the United States when he was 13 with his older brother. And for the rest of his life

George Soda as he came to be known would not talk much about why he had left his homeland in the first place He eventually found work on the railroads in Pennsylvania carrying water and other supplies to workers next order Ohio go penguins Fears after a few years he took more permanent work in Smithers, West Virginia as a driver. After a few more years after that he started his own trucking company, at first hauling to construction sites and later hauling coal that was mined in that area. It was in West Virginia that he met Jenny, Jenny Kippriani. It's probably Sippriani.

Beautifully said. Whatever. So to all keep his daughter, who had also come to the US from Italy as a child. And they got married and they settled outside nearby Fayetteville, which had a large population of Italian immigrants in a two-story timber frame house that was two miles north of the town. So just out of the town. In 1923, they had the first of their 10 children.

Just let me ask you a one question. What did they call that child? John. And do they know what was causing it? Fucking. Two-part answer to your two-part question. John and sex. Which question has which answer? Do they know causing it John. Yeah, what do they call the first child sex? They named it first child sex Catching home I like that Georgia sex to it sex to it oh Sex perkins like text perkins work. You should definitely rename yourself. I don't think I don't think I don't think I will but thank you so much for this. don't you know but sex is pretty popular what do you mean sex is really popular with young people how how I don't want to connect sexually sex

warny you sound like yeah you sound like a criminal that's real dumb sex Sex war, imagine a sex war. Ooh. Yeah, we had two different reactions there. Anyway, so they had their first child, and George's business started to do really well, and they became quite a respected middle class family in that community. However, George had strong opinions about many subjects, he was an opinionated guy. He was not shy about expressing them, who sometimes this kind of alienated other people in particular he was very against He opposed Italian dictator Mussolini

Okay, he's really his he was anti his anti-Musolini Okay, and that led to some strong arguments with other members of the community who you know Who were pro who were pro and supported Missilini? community who you know who were pro who were pro and supported Miss Lenny I'm saying like moose so moose so like the van company the truck and van company moose so the last of the Sada children's Sylvia was born in 1943 and by then their older son Joe I said John before sorry Joe oh he's not I was causing it Joe was causing it. Joe was causing it. I feel like he was John.

I've been on a joke. I've been on a joke. How many years in between, Dracon, vaguely? Well, Joe's in the war and Sylvia's a baby, so. Oh, OK. It's quite a span. He had left home to serve in the military during World War II. Four America?

Yes. They're American children. Like the kids are all born in size obviously. Now the sort of celebrated on Christmas Eve 1945, a celebrating Christmas. Marion, the oldest daughter, had been working at the dime store in downtown Fayetteville, and she surprised three of her younger sisters Martha, who was 12, Jenny 8 and Betty 5, with new toys she'd bought for them as gifts, which is really nice. She'd been saving up a little bit of money and bought a little sister's and presents. The younger children were so excited and they asked their mother

if they could stay up past their bed time so they could play with their new toys. At 10pm, Jenny, their mother, told them that they could stay up a little later, as long as the two oldest boys who were still awake, 14-year-old Maurice and his's not your old brother Louie, remember to put the cows in and feed the chickens before going to bed themselves. Right, okay, sorry. So they're farming. Yeah, they're in like a... Some reason I'm imagining them in the city, and then like they're in an apartment and

then suddenly they're bringing the cows and chickens in and they're like, what? They're two miles out of the town, they're like a bit of a bit of land, not a huge, not a main big farm, but they've got like a few animals and stuff around. What do you reckon these 1945 Toys are? Imagine being so excited by like a wooden block or something that you've got to stay up late. Yeah, play with the stick. Bet it's painted red or something.

It's a red stick. Get off your high horse there, mate. Okay, these kids were happy with their painted sticks. Happy with a red stick. You have a brick, use your imagination. Red stick, red brick. God, kids these days. Brick and stick, I remember that game.

Was it like your mother? I mean, I started love it as a kid. You talk about brick and stick all the time. I do. And now here you are being judgey mcjuckson. Well, I was trying to fit him with you cool, young kids. No, right. Come on.

I took the wrong path. Dave, sorry about him. Don't worry about him. Anyway, I'll go on. Please do. Please do. So yeah, she said, all right, you can say a bit later, but the boys have to put the animals away and they agreed.

And her husband's her George and the two oldest boys, the boys have to put you know the animals away and they agreed and who husbands are George and the two oldest boys John who was 23 and George Jr. who was 16 they'd spent all day working with their father they were exhausted so they went to sleep. It's a John and a Joe well this is confusing and a George. Just a giant Joe. They love the Joe. Okay sorry sorry. They bloody love the gin names, don't they? Yeah, Jenny, George, Joe, bloody, Marion, they're all in there. After reminding the children of those chores,

she was like, remember, put out, put the cows and be good, sort of she said, word for word. Wow. She took Sylvia, who was two upstairs with her and went to bed herself. The phone rang at about 12.30 and Jenny woke her up and went downstairs to answer the phone. It was a woman whose voice she didn't recognise, asking for a name she wasn't familiar with, with a sound of laughter and clinking glasses in the background.

She told the caller she'd reached the wrong number, later calling the woman's weird laugh. Oh, prank call? Well, we don't know. She hung up and she went back to bed. As she did, she knows that the lights were still on and the curtains were not drawn in the living room. So she goes into the living room to see if the kids are still awake, assuming that's why all the lights are still on. Marianne had fallen asleep on the living room cat, so Jenny assumes the other kids had just gone up to the attic where they all slept, they've gone up to their bedroom. So she closed the curtains, turned out the lights,

and goes back to bed. About half an hour later, 1 AM, Jenny was again awakened by the sound of an object hitting the house's roof with the loud bang and then a rolling noise. Brick and stick. They were playing an outdoor game of Brick and stick. Yeah, on the roof. She didn't hear anything else after that,

so she went back to sleep and about another half hour later she woke up again smelling smoke. When she got up she found that the room George used for his office was on fire. What? She woke up George and he in turn woke up the older sons because they were all sleeping downstairs. Both parents and four of their children so Marion and Sylvia the baby and the two older boys, John and George, they got out of the house, and they frantically yelled to the children upstairs but heard no response. So they're in the attic?

They're in the attic. They couldn't get up as the stairway itself was already aflame. Oh no. So the kids that are left are Maurice, who's 14, Martha, who's 12, Louis, who's 9, Jenny, who's 8, and Betty, who's 5. If it's to find aid and rescue the children, Louis, who's 9, Jenny, who's 8, and Betty, who's 5. Efforts to find aid and rescue the children were unexpectedly complicated. The phone didn't work, so Marion ran to a neighbour's house to call the fire department, but the phone, and a driver on the nearby road had also seen the flames and called from

a nearby tavern. Both calls were unsuccessful, either because they couldn't reach the, because neither of them could reach an operator. So a neighbour has called from a tavern, can't get through an operator, Marion's run to another neighbour's house to make a phone call, can't get through an operator. That's weird. Very weird. George, who was barefoot, climbed the wall and broke open the attic window, cutting his arm quite seriously in the process. He and his sons intended to use a ladder to the attic to rescue the other children, but it wasn't its usual resting place against the house, and they couldn't find it anywhere nearby.

A water barrel that could have been used to extinguish the fire, like they were like, okay, we'll get water and we'll get to the flame. It was frozen solid. They couldn't get to it at all. George then tried to pull both of the trucks he used in his business up to the house. His intention was like he'd use them to climb up to the Attica window, but neither of them would start, despite having worked previously, the previous day. What the fuck? We can't get the cars to move either. Frustrated the six sodders who had escaped had no choice but to watch the house burn down and collapse over the next 45 minutes. Oh my god.

A neighbour had actually driven into town to find the fire chief, his name was F.J. Morris, who initiated Fayetteville's version of a fire alarm, a phone tree system where one firefighter found another who found another. The fire department was only two and a half miles away but the crew didn't arrive until 8 a.m. What time was it about one? It was about one thirty two o'clock so six hours later. Oh so how's it spent to the ground? Yeah it was completely smoking pile of ash by that stage. So phone tree system needs to be looked at. Yeah, it's not great. Um...

This is kind of weird too. Chief... Chief Morris at the next day that... Uh, the already slow response was further hampered by his inability to drive the fire truck, requiring that he wait until someone... who could was available. But there's no context as to why he was... He couldn't drive it.

Why a fire chief can't drive his truck? Yeah. Drunk. I've got no idea why Drunk you think they didn't emergency to be like I'll fuck it up. I'll try it. There wasn't note that um Apparently like the Firefighters they were under resourced as well because of the war so there was only you didn't have a like a full fleet of firefighters Either and I think they're in a relatively small place now Now the firefighters, one of whom was a brother of Jenny's, the mum, could do a little bit look through the ashes as they were left in the sodas basement. By 10am, Maristot the sodas that they had not found any bones, as might have been expected,

if the other children had been in the house as it burned. According to another account, they did find a few bone fragments and internal organs, but chose not to tell the family. Nevertheless, Morris believed that the five children unaccounted for had died in the fire, suggesting it had been hot enough to burn their bodies completely. Jesus, I'm hoping that,

because no one saw him go upstairs, but... You're not seeing him go upstairs and they were just told to go outside, get the cows or whatever, but... No one knew, no, definitely knows they went there, didn't it? Well, and you're not finding any bone. That's weird. There's no remains.

But like they said, could be hot enough to burn it. Well, hmm, maybe. But I don't think the report would end here if that was the case. Well, so- The way I'm getting creeped out, man, I don't know about you, I'm getting creeped out of you. That's just sad at this stage. I'm sure yeah, I'm just sad. So this was in this was the Christmas of 1945, right? In October of 1945, a couple months earlier, a visiting life insurance salesman after being

rebuffed warned George that his house would go up in smoke and your children are going to be destroyed. Oh. Which seems a little... conspicuous. Strangely to describe that too. He attributed this all to the dirty remarks you've been making about Mussolini. Another visitor to the house, who was, I think, seeking, like, work, took the occasion to go around to the back and warn George that a pair of fuse boxes would cause a fire someday. George was puzzled by this observation since he just had the house rewired, and an electric stove was installed, and the local electric company had said afterwards that everything was fine, it was very safe.

Who said that? Who threatened him with that? Just another visit of the house. And did he take it as a threat? Is that what you're thinking? No, he just sort of... He's sort of a strange thing to say. This particular person, so the life insurance salesman was kind of threatening. This guy was just going like, ah, be careful, that little blo- it'll start a fire.

And George was like, but it's just been checked and installed and it's fine, that's weird. But obviously he kind of thought nothing over that the time, but in retrospect, he was like, hey, I'm a second. Um, in the weeks before Christus that year, his older son had noticed a strange car parked on the main highway through town, it's occupants watching the youngest daughter and as they returned home from school. Now the fire chief told George to leave the site undisturbed so that the state's fire marshal's office could conduct a more thorough investigation.

But after four days, he and his wife could not bear the sight anymore, so George bulldozed five feet of dirt over the sight with the intention of converting into a memorial garden for the lost children. The local coroner convened an inquest the next day, which held that the fire was an accident caused by faulty wiring. Among the jurors at the inquest was the man who had threatened George Soda that his house would be burned down and his children destroyed in retribution for his anti-Muslim remarks. That man was a juror! He was a juror in that Inquest. That doesn't feel right.

It doesn't feel right. Death certificates for the five children were issued on December 30. Local newspaper contradicted itself stating that all the bodies had been found, but that later in the same story, saying that only part of one body was recovered. And Georgian Jenny Soda would two griefs dricken to attend the funeral, which was held on January 2nd of the next year, although they're surviving all the children did. Matt, you're getting really distressed, but just hang in there, buddy. Just hang in there. Conspiracy.

Not long afterwards, as they began to rebuild their lives, they sort of started to question all of the official findings about the fire. They wondered why, if it had been caused by an electrical problem, the family's Christmas lights had remained on throughout the fire's early stage when the power should have gone out. Right. And it started in his study, was it? Yeah, it started like he's office, but the lights were on.

If the power had, if they'd been faulty wearing, they wouldn't have had power. But Jenny noticed the lights were on half an hour before the fire started. And then the witnesses, including the family, say the lights were on in the house as the house burnt. As a burnt light, the Titanic going down. So... What about, there was also that thud on the roof, too?

We'll get to that. We've talked about that, yeah. We will get to that. So what about there was also that thud on the roof too? We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Freak and stick. They later found. Great game, great game. They later found the ladder that had been missing from the side of the house. They just found it at the bottom of an embankment about 75 feet away. It's just been tossed. How would it have gotten there? How would you toss a ladder? A telephone repairman told the sodders that the house's phone line had not been burned through in the fire, as they had initially thought, but it had been cut.

Somebody had cut their phone line. Had they found that out, sorry? A telephone repairman. He's like, no, it hasn't been burned through, it's been cut. In order to cut the phone line, though, someone would have had to climb 14 feet up the pole and reach two feet out, two feet away from the pole to cut it. Sounds like something you do with the ladder. Yes.

A man whom neighbors had seen stealing a block and tackle from the property around the time of the fire was identified and arrested. Another great game. Block and tackle. Block and tackle. So he was arrested. He was arrested and arrested. Another great game. Block and tackle. So he was arrested. He was arrested. For. Well, firstly for stealing the block and tackle, but also like they'd seen him around

in that night, so they arrested him to question him. He admitted to the theft and claimed that he'd been the one to cut the phone line, thinking it was a power line, but denied having anything to do with the fire. However, no record identifying him exists, and why he would have wanted to cut any utility lines to the side of house while stealing a block and tackle has never been explained. What is a block and tackle? It's like a pulley system that they would use to take engines out of cars, like it's just a hook and then it would be set up on a pulley. Right, so he's thieving, but he's apparently claimed that he was trying to cut the power. Yeah, he said, oh yeah, I accidentally cut the power,

phone line, I thought that was the power line. And nobody thought to ask, why were you cutting the power? Yeah, that went, took so. Fair enough then, innocent mistake. So he hasn't been identified, so he's possibly not real. No, I think he's real, but I think it was just like, alright, see ya. I think the government made this go out.

Okay, sure, we're early on the conspiracies. Fuck, fuck smolder over here is. Which I like. On the case. Now Jenny sort of said in 1968 that if you'd cut the power line like he apparently intended she and her husband along with the other children would never have been able to make it out of the house so as in if he'd if he had cut the power line like he was intending to rather than just accidentally cutting the phone line that may all would have

died why is that I'm not sure why that's just something that she said in the like later in the 60s. They had all electric doors. Yeah, I don't really understand exactly what she means, but... Yeah, if he's... If the light, maybe the way they got out, it was the need of the lights to... I don't know. Hmm.

Yeah, but so perhaps... plotting against them is I think what I want she's getting at. Anyway, Jenny sort of also had trouble accepting Morris' belief that all traces of the children's bodies had been burned completely in the fire. Many of the household appliances had been found still recognizable in the ash, along with fragments of the tin roof. So like other things have definitely survived, so she's like, that doesn't make a lot of sense. She contrasted the results of the fire with the newspaper account of a similar house fire that she read about the same time that killed a family of seven. Skeletal remains of all the victims were reported to have been found in that case. Yeah, I think it's strange that to burn every single part of the boat. Exactly. Of five bodies.

to burn every single part of the body. Exactly. Of five bodies. She burned a small pile of animal bones to see if they would be completely consumed and none ever were. So she's like taking it upon herself to do these scientific experiments. She contacted an employee from the local crematorium who told her that human bones remain even

after the bodies are burned at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit for two hours, which is far longer and hotter than the house fire could have been. The house fire went for about 45 minutes and it's a wood fire. So it has to be like 5000 degrees or something? Yeah. Which some people argue that there was coal stored in the basement because that was part of his business, it was like transporting coal so the fire would have been hotter than

a standard wood fire. But I sort of call bullshit because I don't think it could have been the same. It couldn't have got to 2000 degrees Celsius. That's hot. That's really hot. That's really fucking hot. It got to 30 degrees this week and I was like, woo! It's hot! That was hot. That was really sweaty. My work brought ice creams around to a cell. Yeah. I imagine what you'd get if you got to a thousand degrees at your work.

The burnt. Work on them back into the tummy where this podcast here gets so hot. And we mean constantly. So I'm loving wearing a jacket right now because I won't be for any of your weeks coming up. So anyway, do you see that there's maybe hope, Matt, and you can not be so terrified? Yeah. Why are you trying to bring it up my hope? Well I'm just trying to... It's because you're really sucking the fun out of this podcast.

This comedy podcast is being no fun with you sitting over there sucking. Yeah, start fanning the flames. Okay, it was in the 40s, if they are dead, they died ages ago. That makes me feel better. People die. Everyone dies. Everyone dies. Everyone dies. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Everyone is going to die. Perhaps by the same man who stole the block and tackled and cut the phone line. Drinking it, do they start starting the next few days? I don't know, yeah.

It's like if the truck's dead forever, then you'd be like, that's sus. But it's harder to disable a truck for like two hours, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a big relief. And then it starts again. Somebody else was actually like one of the sun and laws in the family. Kind of he thought like maybe just in the panic, they were flooding the

engine or they weren't able to start it properly or something like that. But that's all sort of speculation. This entire thing is speculation. Some accounts have suggested the wrong number phone call to this sort of house might have also somehow been connected to the fire and disappearance of the children. Remember how she got a phone call from someone? It was super creepy. Yeah, it's creepy like this. It was just laughter and it sounded like a party happening in the background. However, investigators later located the woman who had made the call

and she confirmed it had been a wrong number on her part. But like, what are you calling it midnight to go? I'm drunk! Woo! That's what I do. Christmas Eve every year, baby. I can baby. Call all of my family and friends. You call them? Call them all. At 12.30. 12.30. All at once. Conference call. Everyone I know. And I just go, woo! I love that call. I'm not getting that call. Yeah. You got the call.

I'm yet to receive it. Do I know how to do it on the conference call? I've been on the conference call. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'll mean. I'll conference call you this year, please. Hey, we should conference call sometimes. Yeah. In the boardroom. Does have a chat.

Yeah, I think so. Just check in. Yeah, I think we really should do that. Just see how we're all coping with this tragic and sad story. No, Matt. And the aftermath of it. And how we're dealing with it, you know. It's not tragic.

It's scary. It's Halloween, Matt. Get on board. It's not have a chocolate. It's spooky. What happened? This is great. This is feeling like a Dave Warnocky mystery report to me. Thank you. I'm gripped as well. I'm also gripped over here. I want to know what happens. I was like, oh, I'm going to fuck up a mystery episode. That was so good. Okay, great. Are you working way too hard for way too little? There's never been a better time to consider a career in IT. You could enjoy a recession-resistant career and a rewarding field with plenty of growth opportunities

and often flexible work environments. Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the free career evaluation. You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus So, as spring approached the sodders, as they said they would, planted flowers in the soil that they had bulldozed over the house. But further developments in early 1946 reinforced the family's beliefs that the children might be alive somewhere. What? Wait, okay. What?

Matt, you said it yourself. No one ever saw them go upstairs. Yeah, no I thought that, but it's like I'd thought they would kill to something where or they've got someone took away on a sack and I've just left them in a swimming pool somewhere. Yeah, that's much healthy. Killing them fresh. First there was evidence that supported their belief that the fire had not started in the electrical system and was instead set deliberately. A driver of a bus that passed through Fayetteville Lake Christmas Eve said he had seen some people throwing balls of fire at the house. Didn't think to come forward any sooner. When he'd seen balls of fire being thrown at the house. Oh see that old time round these part.

These are your parts I love their football. They're in football, 12th or 5th of all. 135 all took like a bit. Come on, we all know the rules. Yeah come on. Two'll go to bed. Yeah, I know the rules few months later when the snow had melted Sylvia the the youngest in the band snow had melted Sylvia gross Snow had melted comma Sylvia found a small hard dark green rubble ball. I was like a rubber ball object in the nearby brush.

She found a rubber ball in the garden. Okay. And George, recalling his wife's account of a loud thump on the roof before the fire, said it looked like a pineapple bomb hand grenade or some other sort of explosive device that was used in combat. Pineapple bomb.

Yeah, I never heard that. I like it. That sounds amazing. It's like an explosive pineapple like a pineapple bomb in my mouth, a chemical artist. I want one. Oh. On my pizza. Pineapple bomb. Yeah.

So yeah, thinking now that somebody, I heard obviously, it's a grenade. It's starting the fire. Family later claimed that contrary to the fire marshal's conclusion, the fire had started on the roof, although there was no way to prove it. But that's what they reckon. Other witnesses claimed to have seen the children themselves.

One woman, who'd been watching the fire from the road, said she'd seen some of them peering out of a passing car while the house was burning. OK, so that's a bit weird. Yeah. Real creepy. Another woman at a rest stop between Fayetteville and Charleston, so she'd served them breakfast the next morning and noted the presence of a car with the Florida license plates in the rest stop car park as well.

So I kept they been taken. Oh, mmm. Oh my god. The sod is hired a private investigator named CC Tinsley. Incredible name. So good. That sounds like a 920s voice. Oh, she's here Tinsley on the case. See? That's not quite right. Is it? What's the PI voice that they always do? Like, do you know what I'm talking about yeah I thought that was pretty damn good okay sick thank you he learned that the um insurance salesman who'd threatened them uh with the fire a year before I was it it was a year before not a few months before well I thought it was the anyway it doesn't matter the guy who'd

threaten them the insurance salesman um he so the CC Tinsley was the one who found out that that particular man had been on the coroner's jury that ruled the fire an accident and he so the cc tinsley was the one who found out that that particular man had been on the coroner's jury that ruled the fire an accident and he told the sodders is before that they didn't know that that guy had been you know on the jury he also learned of rumors around favor that despite his reports to the sodders that no remains had been found in the ashes morris the fire chief had found a heart which he later packed into a metal box and secretly buried. Okay, that's fucking weird. What? Who did that? The fire chief. That's very strange.

Morris had apparently confessed this to a local minister who confirmed it to George Soda. Soda and Tinsley went to Morris and confronted him with the news. He agreed to show the two where he'd buried it and they dug it up. They took what they found inside the box to a local funeral director who, after examining it, told them it was in reality beef liver, very fresh, and had never been exposed to fire. What? So what a weird, so he's like... Right, it doesn't make any sense.

It's a recap for us. So that makes it sound like they thought we've got this great way of proving the kids are dead, we'll make up this room or the the fire chief buried a heart and then we'll pretend we'll make this pretend heart and hopefully no one asks any questions. But all they use was a beef liver, not even a heart and didn't even burn it or anything. That's a real weird attempt at getting people off the sand, right? Yep. Real weird. So weird. So weird. I love it. Yeah. Later, more room is circulated around Fattville that Morris had afterwards admitted the box with the liver had indeed not come from the fire originally. Yeah, no

shit. He'd supposedly placed it there in the hope that the sodders would find it and be satisfied that the missing children had indeed died in the fire why's the fire chief so exactly on covering this up exactly why does he want them to just be like oh how kids are dead and why would they believe him that he did that what a weird thing that he could have done that fire chief then I don't know if I trust you about anything I trust him about anything he didn't turn up the six hours Oh, I couldn't drive the truck couldn't find the keys. What about like and then when he got there He found a heart that no one else had noticed

It's just the heart as well like everything else the bones burnt that makes no sense the ribcage around the heart Obviously that melts it away. Yeah heart They burn it five,000 degrees. That's 1,000. 5,000. So that's all a little bit strange. Also, hearts are livers from chaos. Yeah. Funny that. Yeah. In the years that followed, there was a few more reported sightings

of the children. Look at the hiccups there. After seeing a girl in a magazine picture of young ballet dancers in New York City who looked like one of their missing daughters, Betty, George drove all the way to the girl's school where he's repeated demands to see the girl himself were refused. So he followed up a lot of these, like any kind of tip-off or alleged sighting, he would always follow them up.

So he's driven all the way to New York, because he's seen a picture of a girl in the newspaper who looks a bit like what Betty would look like a couple years later. Which like in... It's totally, and it also makes so much sense, like of course you would. He also tried to interest the FBI in investigating what he considered was a kidnapping. Director Jay Edgar Hoover personally responded to his letters, and his letter said, although I'd like to be of service,

the matter related appears to be of a local character and does not come within the investigative jurisdiction of this bureau. If the local authorities requested the bureau's assistance, he added, he would of course direct agents to assist, but the Fayetteville Police and Fire Department declined to do so. Dodgy as far. So dodgy. So it's almost feeling like the police and the Fire Department are like, they're all in

on it. Yeah, well I know, but all they're going like these delusional parents, but I feel like're all in on it. Yeah, well I know but all they're going like these delusional parents but I feel like they're in on it. They're in on it. It's maybe a combination. Yeah, probably. The fire guy sounds dodgy. And in American movies and TV, the local cops and the feds never get along. Oh, you know, the feds come in and say,

no, it's not jurisdiction. It's bad. I think that's where I learnt the word jurisdiction. It's a great word too. It's a great word, too. It's a great word. In August of 1949, so a few years after it had happened, George was able to persuade Oscar Hunter, a Washington DC pathologist,

to supervise the new search through the dirt at the house site. After a very thorough search, artifacts including a dictionary that had belonged to the children and some coins were found. Several small bone fragments were unearthed, determined to have been human vertebrae. They were sent to Marshal Teen Newman,

a specialist at the Smithsonian Institute, that were confirmed to be lumber vertebrae all from the same person. And his reports say, since the transverse recesses are fused, the age of this individual at death should have been 16 or 17 years. The top limit of age should be about 22 since the centra, which normally fuses at 23, are still unfused. But given this age range, it was not very likely that these bones were from any of the five missing children

since the oldest was Maurice who had been 14 at the time. What? So now there's a dead body, but they don't know who it is. They've got like fragments of vertebrates. It's not a body, they've just got bits of body. They get that. Yeah, but I also like, if why would they wear the rest of the bones? If that is actually one of those kids, then surely there'd be more than just fragments, right?

Yeah, exactly. So what are the bits? You reckon those kids killed other kids and kept fragments of bones in their bedroom? Probably not, to be honest. I was just, yeah, that's, it wasn't where I was going, but it's like a theory that not even the internet

could get by. I'm not sure about that one, Matty, to be honest. So, well, they just said, there could be bone fragments from another time, right? Yeah, I suppose. Yeah, someone could have been buried under the house or something. Well, decades earlier. Numan added that the bone showed no sign of being exposed to flame. Further he agreed that it was very strange that those bones were not, were the only ones

found, since a wood fire of such short duration should have left full skeletons of all the children. The report concluded that the vertebrae had instead most likely come from the dirt that sort of had bald eyes over the site. Later, Tinsley supposedly confirmed that the bone fragments had come from a cemetery in nearby Mount Hope, because not explained why they had been taken from there, or how they came to be at the fire site. So they may have been taken from somewhere else. He supposedly confirmed they came from a cemetery, but how, yeah, not a lot lot of I don't have a lot of information back in

that up but that's fucking weird. That's weird. The investigation and its findings attracted national attention and the West Virginia legislature held two hearings on the case in 1950. Afterwards however Governor Oakley L. Patterson and state police superintendent W.E. Birchett told the sodders the case was hopeless and closed at a state level. The FBI decided it had jurisdiction as a possible interstate kidnapping but dropped the case after two years of following fruitless leads. So even the FBI and local police have been like no idea.

They had the family, the sodas had flies printed up with pictures of the children offering... In my festival show. Yeah, two for one tickets. Offering a $5,000 reward which is soon doubled for any information that would have settled the case for even one of the children. In 1952 they put up a billboard at the side of the house and another along US Route 60 with the same information. It would in time become a landmark for traffic through Fayetteville. Apparently it was there for about 40 years. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, crazy.

Until the 90s. Their efforts soon brought another reported signing of the children after the fire. brought another reported signing of the children after the fire. Ida Crutchfield, a woman who ran... Ha ha! Ida Crutchfield. Crutchfield. That's Mrs Crutchfield to you. Please Mrs Crutchfield is my mother. Crutchfield, that's a beautiful name.

Ida as well. Ida. Sounds like a part prank call the moat. Yeah, Ida Crutchfield. She ran a Charleston hotel and claimed to have seen the children approximately a week after their fire. Approximately. Come on mate. Sorry mate. I'm doing so well. You had done very very well. Didn't even notice over you. Approximately. Better, better. Thanks. Announce the others of that heart. Oh my God, I hate you.

Like me. I always say words perfectly. So yeah, she's in there apparently a week after the fire. She said, I do not remember the exact date. The children had come in around midnight with two men and two women, all of whom appeared to be of Italian extraction, she said. When she attempted to speak with the children, one of the men looked at me in a hostile manner, and he turned around and began talking rapidly in Italian.

Immediately, the whole party stopped talking to me. She recalled that they left the hotel early the next morning, and investigators today don't really consider her story credible, as she only saw pictures of the children two years after the fire and it was another five years before she came forward. So they're like, she's probably full of shit. But who do you want you to think that? Exactly. George Soda, like I said before, he followed up a lot of leads in person and he traveled all over the place following tips. A woman in St. Louis claimed that Martha was being held in a convent there, and a bar patron in Texas claimed to have overheard two people making incriminating statements about a fire

that happened on Christmas Eve in West Virginia. None of those proved to be significant, but they were all kind of looked into. When George heard later that a relative of Jenny's in Florida had children that looked similar to his, the relative had to prove the children were his own before George was satisfied. So George was if in like questioning his own family. What about kidnapped? He's kids and call them. There are.

I bet I'm gonna be a pretty brazen plan if you did that. No, that's not Sarah. This is Ashley. But you didn't have kids away to week ago. Yeah, it actually. What, you said Ashley? I've always had Ashley. You know her. Show me baby furties.

Lost them in fire. Oh, oh shit. Trigged, I'm triggered. In 1967 George went to the Houston area to investigate another tip. A woman there had written to the family saying that Louis Soda had revealed his true identity to her one night after having too much to drink. She believed that he and Maurice were both living in Texas somewhere. But Soda and his son-in-law were unable to speak with her. Police there were able to help them find the two men she'd indicated, but they denied being the missing sons. The son-in-law said years later that doubts about the denial

lingered in sodders' mind for the rest of his life. So he's sort of like, I thought maybe they are at school. But were they maybe my kids, yeah? Oh. Yeah, did I just speak to my sons and they've denied, I don't know, really weird. Another letter that they received that year brought the sodders

what they believed was the most credible evidence that at least Louis was still alive. One day Jenny found in the mail a letter addressed just to her, post marked in Central City, Kentucky, with no return address. Instead, inside was a picture of a young man around 30, with features strongly resembling Louis, who would have been in his 30s if he'd survived. On the back was written Louis Soda. I love Brother Frankie, Lily Boys, A90132 or 35. None of that makes any sense other than Louis Soda. Oh so you don't know what that means. What

the rest of it? No. Right. I don't know if it's some sort of family like in joke. Remember that thing we used to joke about? A90132 or 35, what are those? Favorite number on the dui decimal system, mama, no you love cooking. Well you called it the Louie decimal system because I'm your little bookworm. It couldn't have been like a post-code or something and no R being not all but being Oregon or something. Possibly yeah. I've just cracked this case when I opened it.

You've got it. You found him. They hired another private detective to go to Central City and look into this case. But he never reported back to the sodders and they were unable to locate him afterwards. The private detective went missing. What?

Chit. They never heard from him again. What? Now, Joking, heard from him again. What? So you're kidding? Joking, he took the money in Run or he disappeared. Maybe. Well, that's like one theory because I saw like a YouTube video about this case where people were kind of pulling it apart and somebody was like, when your private detective goes missing,

like you are in with some bad people and you should stop investigating this case. So the thing I go missing, but the thing is you keep investigating because something dodgy the P.I. goes missing. But the P.I. should keep investigating because something dodgy's happened. Yeah, it's super weird. The picture nonetheless gave them a lot of hope and they added it to the billboard, leaving Central City out of it and any other published information out of fear

that Louis might come to harm if it was him. And they put an enlargement of the photo over their fireplace, like they but just believed that that was a picture of Louis. Oh, yeah. George Soder admitted to the Charleston Gazette mail later the next year that the lack of information had been like hitting a rock wall we can't go any further. He nevertheless vowed to continue. Time is running out for us, he needed another interview around that time, but we only want to know. If they did die in the fire, we want to be convinced, otherwise we want to know if they did die in the fire we want to be convinced, otherwise

we want to know what happened to them. So that's really rough. George died in 1969 and after his death Jenny stayed in the family home and for the rest of her life she wore black in morning and tended to the garden at the side of the former house. What she wear in the afternoon. Sorry, that's awful. MOU are. I don't think that's even the first time I've done a morning bad morning misunderstanding. A good morning. After Jenny died in 1989, the family took down the weathered Warn billboard. So she lived for 20 years after her husband. Yeah.

Morning in black, turning to the garden. That's so awful. The surviving Soda Children, joined by their own children, continued to publicise the case and investigate leads. They, along with older Fayetteville residents, have theorised that the Sicilian mafia was trying to extort money from George Soda and the children may have been taken by someone who knew about the plan to ask and then said that they would be safe if they left the house. They'll possibly take him back to Italy and if the children had survived all

those years and were where their parents and siblings had survived too, the family believes they may have avoided contact in order to keep them from harm. So like the so maybe the two boys that said no we're not your sons maybe they were. I don't think so but who knows whooooh spooky Halloween episode it's the unknown stacey horn who did a segment on the case for National Public Radio around at 60th anniversary in 2005 also believes the children's death and the fire is the most plausible solution so she thinks they died she She thinks they probably died in the fire.

That makes the most sense to her. But to me, the lack of violence is crazy. Yeah, but that's the thing. So she said, she noted that the fire had continued to smolder all night after the house collapse, and that two hours was not enough time to search the ash thoroughly. So they kind of did a really quick look

at the fire side after the fire had happened. Even if it had been the fire fighters may not have known what to look for. However, she said, there's enough genuine weirdness about this whole thing. That if someday it's learned that the children did not die in the fire, I won't be shocked. That's kind of how I feel, too. So it kind of comes to the end of the report in a way, because that's all the information there is. The unsatisfying mystery.

Oh, mystery! mystery! But what are you reckon? I don't know. Well, as I just said, I think if they did die, surely. You'd find something. The evidence of five-butt. One body, not turning up, maybe. up maybe five five bodies and now I would find

Fragments of Spawn I found a dictionary and some coins like you know I know is that dictionaries burn around the same heat as his bones. No, they don't burn. Oh, dictionaries don't burn. Yeah No, the languages too powerful Right, that's right, of course. Yeah, well that stops me dead in the tracks. I don't know, I've got no answer then. I feel like, yeah, they went back to Italy. I don't know.

I think Sicilian Mafia really did burn the house down and either they kidnapped them or someone else kidnapped them. But if they were trying to extort money, surely they'd have to approach them and ask for money. Yeah, and at no stage were they, yeah, I don't know. And did they intend for all the family to die? But then there's still no remains of the kids. I believe the kids are alive, I think, or lived, at least. They might not be alive now. But even if they

were, then they would have grown to adults and you'd think that they would have found their family or... Because they were old enough to... It's not like they were taken as toddlers and then could be raised just like these in a parents. You remember everything. You know exactly what had happened to you. So you'd find your family or you'd like... Sure, you'd give your mum some closure. Like, yeah. Like even, like that letter, but like more specific, hey. But then it seems like I love Brother Frankie, but they didn't have a Frankie in their family, so I don't know what that means and super weird. And yeah, like the police in the fire.

Did Frank suggest this topic? Yes. Brother Frankie, we found him. It's his way of... that just keeps cracking this case while I'm good to be detective you should be I am sorry guys I should have told you Swelier it's um I'm a prophet I thought and I'll keep things private he does he's a private guy I'm a private guy very good very good well done all. And a good night to all. Well done everybody. So yeah, that's the story of the sort of children's experience. I love to hear it. I love to hear more about it. No, I didn't want to finish my sentence. Oh good. Well that worked out really well then. And did you get research of this? Did you get the feeling that this is like a famous American case? Because I've never heard of it. I don't know, and there's not a lot of information. Okay, so it's not like a super famous.

There isn't, like, that's about all that I could find. And to be honest, the Wikipedia page of it was the most thorough I could find of all of information. It's interesting. Yeah, because normally it's like a bit shit. I mean, you go to several other resources, but like... Oh. There was other things just kind of said all the same thing.

I couldn't find any other information about it It's a weird it's a weird one, but I like it Ah my theory or not one somebody else suggested to me after I sent them the Wikipedia article Suggested that the reason they couldn't find any bones is because the kids didn't have any bones Jelly people Didn't even think of jelly people jelly people five times jelly people Yeah, they were five times jelly people. Yeah, and there were five of them. Yes Wow. Yeah, that's 25 jelly people It is genetic

Right, it would be in the family. Yeah, I'd be in the family. That'll be jelly people Make sense George Joe George, Jr. Jenny. Joey, Joe, Joe. Joey, Joe, Joe. Jelly. It makes sense. Jelly people do name themselves with just sounds. It's true.

It's true. So yeah, it's up in the air. Well, just thank you very much for this Halloween mystery edition. And thank you Frank for the topic. It was really interesting. Very cool. Really, really was. Wow, I'd never heard of anything.

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from the Patreon peeps. I do, and I would love to thank from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. Wow, I've never been, but I'd love to. Have you not? Really, I love it. That's great. We did every territory, except...

Oh, mate. You got to get down there, and while you you're down there you can go visit our good friend and patron supporter Molly Bird. Molly Bird. Isn't that a great name? Great name. Molly's already gone. I'm a big Molly fan.

I love Molly and Bird is f**king sick too. Good on you Molly Bird. Great name. You may not have chosen it but it's still great. If these guys were lost as children, where would they have ended up? What would their new idea be? Yeah, Molly.

Molly was taken to Tasmania. Wow. Yeah. That is fascinating. Isn't it? Wow, Molly. Yeah. And I would also like to thank.

What do we give them a Halloween name? I think that's probably a better one to do. Okay, well Molly Bird could be... Moldy Bird. Moldy Bird, yeah, that's great. That's the best alcohol I've with. Moldy Bird. Yes.

And I'd also like to thank Chris Brennick from Walk Away West in Australia. or as I like to call it, I'm walking away from troubles in my life, I'm walking away. Craig David, he keeps haunting me this week through Halloween. And I've just got to, just a lot of, Craig David's come up a lot in my life this week. Craig Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris,, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Just a lot of great days come up a lot of my life this week. That was gonna give Halloween a scary,

like Halloween name, I'd call it Halloween. You know, on Twitter how you change. That's good. Well, what would Curtis Brennick, what would his Halloween name be? Oh man, I just go straight to porn names every time. Curtis Brennick. Which to some people is pretty scary. Hurt us.

Yeah, it's good Machete Hurdus machete all right. Thank you Curtis Thank you guys. I'd like to thank from royal oak Michigan Oh John Cole John Cole

C.O.A.L. is what how I'm changing it to Halloween Cole is scary Ooh, it's a depleting resource Ooh, how about the word function without it? Ooh, John Cole, thank you so much for my little oak And I would like to thank from, um, like hard news out the whales Michelle Lucas Or Michelle Slukepa Oh, damn it

Oh, Spookers is better. Sorry Dave. Yes, Poindry right then. Spookus, come on Michelle. Lucifer, that's get dumb. Michelle? Lucifer is in the devil. I get it, but Spookus is better. Spookus is a lot better. And your one was really nebbered. What about my hell? Spookus. That's good. What about my hell spookus? That's good Yeah, my hell spookus Come back there Michelle big love. I'd love to thank from West Sussex Sarah groom

Sarah glue Yeah, this is Jess's best pun wake ever. I know it. I'm never good at these This is Jess's best pun we give. I know and I'm never good at these. Scareer. Scareer gloom. Scareer gloom! Wooo! Thank you, Sarah. And I'd also like to thank another bird that's from the U from Arlington, Virginia, Andrew

Bird. Oh, I know. Andrew Mird. Andrew Mirder. Yes! that's good Yeah, not I can't do anything with Andrew Hands droop Mood if you can think of a scary name for Andrew Tweet us in

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