Do Go On - 11 - The Back to the Future trilogy

Episode Date: January 5, 2016

The Back to the Future trilogy had it all: Time travel. Manure. Flying cars. Incest. Hover Boards... So why weren't the major studios interested? Who turned down the roles of Marty McFly and Doc Brown? And what key changes did executive Sidney Sheinberg make? Listen in to hear Matt bumble his way through the answers to these questions and a whole lot more! Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there. Canada, we are visiting you in September this year.

If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. On a podcast with myself, Dave Warnacky. I'm here with Mr Matt Stewart. Hi Dave, how are you going? I am going well, thank you, Matt.

Welcome to the program. Thank you. Hey, I'd really like to welcome to the program. Oh, someone else. Someone else, yeah. Oh, we've got a third person. The table's so long. I can't see her down the other end.

Who was it, Matt? Well, you knew it was a her, which is something, what? And, okay, look. Oh, for God's say. Hey, Jess, how's it going? Jess Perkins. It's Jess Perkins, everyone. Hi, Matt and Dave.

What a surprise considering that we do this every week with the same exact three people. I'm going to say, we're like, I'm here every week. But, oh, look it here. And how are you feeling this week? It's fine. A-OK. That is not true. You are very hungover for the second day.

Yes. It's a day two hangover, which is... It's not good. I feel okay now. It's just my stomach's a little bit like, ugh. Would you say it's the worst hangover you've ever had? I think so. Wow.

Really? Yeah. I couldn't get out of bed yesterday. I didn't get out of bed. Wow, that's great. I was throwing up every half hour. No, that's not great that you've only had hangovers this bad. That, like, second day you can get out of bed.

That's pretty good. How bad have you had it, Matt? I've had multi-week hangovers. Multi-week? Yeah, yeah. Like three weeks a thing. No, no, hang on. No, Dave.

Let's not get crazy. Two weeks. Two weeks. That's a very long time. Two weeks is crazy. I think that's more like alcohol poisoning rather than just a hangover. Oh, okay. Sorry.

Wrong competition. But I mean, like it shouldn't stick around that long. No, yeah. I definitely did something bad to myself. Oh, boy. But I was also, I think the problem was that I wasn't, it was a night of drinking. So I went, I was in England and I went to this bar and I said, a bit jet lag need a bit of energy. And I was there with a mate.

I said, can I get two vodka red bulls please? I said, double vodka red bulls are cheaper. I said, okay, make it four double. So they've doubled it, and then you've doubled again. Yeah, I don't know what the logic was. I'm like that. This makes sense because it's cheaper. It'll be silly not to.

So suddenly it's eight for the price of two. And then, yeah, and that sort of started a bad thing where, like, every shout, we did that, four double vodka red bulls. Every shout, it doubled. Yeah, we just drank it all night. So I think it was probably part alcohol. poisoning in part caffeine and sugar. I don't think about a Red Bull since it's energy drinks.

They're the devil. They are the devil. Unless they come on as a sponsor. Then, please, brought to you by a monster. What a delicious drop. I'm willing to sell everything for money. I will exchange goods and services for cash. A little unorthodox, I know, but.

That's how I'm doing it. Starting in the new economy. Well, on the show, we'd like to talk about something, or one of us prepares a report to sort of engage the others in a bit of a lesson on something. And, Matt, it is your turn. I'm glad you're not hungover because you're the one is research something. I'm tip top.

Tip top, fighting fit. Although I'm a little bit tired from cramming some research last night. Anyway, most of it's already in my head, because I'm a big fan of this thing. We normally start with a question, right? So my question are you, I haven't thought of it yet. I'm just... On the fly.

...padding here a little bit as I think... Okay, so what would you guys say? I know we're big fans of triptitches here? Oh, yeah, so trip ditch, if you haven't heard, the first episode as where... There's a piece of artwork over three panels that go together. And I see this as a piece of artwork that goes over three panels. Okay. What is your...

You mean cryptic with your triptitch. What? What a key? What a key? Thank you. What would you guys say is the best movie trilogy of all time? Ooh. Oh,

Trilogy. Okay, well, my favorite, one of my favorite movies ever is Terminator 2. Terminator 1 is also very good, but Terminator 3 sucks. But... And they've pushed through to like four and five now, haven't they?

I know, but if we're looking at 3, maybe Terminator 2 is good enough to make the other two... What about Lord of the Rings? Uh, yeah. Quite... I mean, if you like, that sort of shit. I'm just thinking it's quite...

It's very popular. That is beautiful. The Godfather. Godfather's pretty... That's a good one. No, people always talk about number three being... Yeah. I haven't seen their third one.

There was a bit of incest in that, which is also a theme in this trilogy. What? Oh, in the trilogy that you're thinking of. Yeah. Okay, incest trilogy. Oh, is it like some sort of weird pornographic trilogy? No.

No, no. What other, Star Wars? Star Wars does have some incest in it. Yeah, and it's like double trilogy. But that's not it. Man, there's a lot of incest around it. I mean, it's light incest. A bit of light incest.

What's a bit of light incest amongst? I'm sure listeners would have already got it because it'll be in the title. Ah, yes. Oh, right, I thought you were just going to say that. But also, I reckon they would have got. This is a famous trilogy. Jurassic Park. Very big time this year in 2015 as well.

very relevant. What? The incest part or the film? No, the film part. I feel like... This is hard. Okay, just tell us. Back to the future.

Oh, back. To the future. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's a trilogy. You know, in the first movie, Marty goes back and his mum falls in love with him. Yep.

I don't think I've ever seen Back to the Future. Oh, fuck off. What? Fuck off and die. Fuck off and die. I feel like I've seen... I've seen it, but I can't remember any sort of details of the movies. Do you know when you see a movie when you're a kid and then you're like, yeah, I have seen that,

but I can't really, like a lot of Disney films, I'm like that, I'm like, yeah, I've definitely seen Pocahontas, but I haven't seen it in the last 20 years. I can't really tell you much other than the main character's names. I have seen Back to the Future, but not for a long time. So I'm going to remember bits. That's great. Well, I've seen all three this week, so I have been working hard. Please tell me that this podcast is just you recapping and reenacting the whole trilogy.

Well, I wasn't going to go through the story much at all. I was thinking you guys would all be familiar with it. But do you need any sort of recap on the story? Can we have a quick recap? Just in case there are other listeners out there that have not seen it for 20 years as well. Yeah, okay. Well, so Marty McFlyer. Great name, isn't it?

Michael J. Fox. He sort of befriends this scientist guy. That happens before the movie. So they're kind of mates this older mad scientist kind of character called Doc Brown. And he's invented a time machine, right? I had a lecturer that looked exactly like him, and it was hard not to think about his crazy hair. But continue. Played by Christopher Lloyd.

Oh, my professor. Yeah, great. Well, that makes sense. Professor Christopher Lloyd. And somehow he reminded you of Christopher Lloyd. Makes sense. Yeah, it definitely checks out. It checks out.

So they're testing out this time machine. Doc Brown gets his dog, Einstein, to test it out, sends him a minute in the future, and that works. A bit of animal cruelty there, though. Yeah. Well, no, the dog's all good. Apparently the first time they screened it, the preview things, the audience, like, audibly gasped

when they sent the dog, and they thought the dog was going to die. But, yeah, so it's... interesting that was your instinct as well yeah um and then well it's it's kind of like what we were talking about in a recent week about the sending a man into space yeah they sent dogs out first

yeah but uh the difference here is that that was real life and back to the future is clearly a movie so even if the dog died you're like well he's probably fine yeah the character died but in real life Russia sent a dog into space and it died so oh yeah America sent

humans into space and they died so You know. I don't know what. Eventually we all die. Well, I mean, the humans made the choice. I think that's the difference. Anyway, like, we're not here. Are we here to talk about animals?

No, no, no, no. I'm sorry that I brought it up. No, I think they... It's just always on the forefront of my mind. Yeah, me too. Be good to the animals. Be good to everyone. Just everyone be good to each other.

Well, the animals. The animals. Be good to animals. So he tested out. The dog makes it through successfully. And then, so to power it, he's had to, Doc Browns had to source some uranium. And he's done so by... From Uranus?

No. He's done so by getting, getting in contact with some Libyan terrorists who think that he's going to make a bomb for them. Okay, right. So let's talk about the ethics of that. Yeah, and I was pretty... I don't remember that bit. And then, so the...

So he's like, yeah, they're cool. They think I'm making a bomb, but by the time they think... figure it out I'm going to be in a different time or whatever. But he... I'm going to be one minute in the future, baby. So there... I'll always be one minute at eight. The Libyans don't exist in a minute's time.

You're like it to me now, bad guys. Yeah, I'll see you in 60 seconds. Oh no, that just means I die quicker. Like for him, it's instantaneous anyway. So anyway, so we're saying. He's got the uranium. He's got the uranium. They've tested it and it's worked and then, so he's like, cool, I'm going to do it.

He's got Marty there to document it. He's filming it on the camcorder. But then a combi van full of Libyan terrorists burst into the car park. Combi van, the vehicle to the Libyan stars. And guys out the sunroof just starts shooting at him. Sure. Is he still in America, though? Not in Libya.

He's in America. It's in California. all set. So the time machine is a Dolorian? Oh yes, absolutely. You know that.

The car. The car, because it's got the gull-winged doors. That's why they chose it because when he travels back, it was more believable that the farmers would think it was a spaceship if it was just a normal car,

I guess. I mean, even a modern car would still be pretty... Not my car. Bacey to... For a farmer? To a 955 farmer? 2006 Holden Viva.

Yeah, no, you're right. Still probably only get 500 bucks for it in 90s. Oh, that's probably quite good in the 90s. Yeah, that's not bad. Yeah, actually, maybe we'll figure that out. So, the car has to get up to 88 miles per hour for it to work as well for some reason.

That's the speed of light. That's the speed of time travel. So when those guys went into space on our last episode, They've really broken that barrier when they were going 10,000 miles. But there was other things at play. They also needed the, you know, that technology that he'd created and the nuclear power. So... They take off?

So the Libyans have come in there. Open up fire on Doc and Marty. Doc is killed. And there's a lot of spoiler alerts here. Obviously, if you're going to watch a 985 movie. I think it's much more entertaining to hear you tell us. Yeah. I can bring the drama and the comedy.

Oh, it's amazing. And so Marty sees Doc Die, and they come from, they take a shot at Marty, but the gun jams. Classic. Classic. Classic Libyans.

A bit racist. Well, do you know, a lot of their planes in Libyan airline are banned at most airports around the world because a lot of them don't have lights. Oh, the planes. Classic Libyan. need them for?

Just fly during the day. Just fly during the day, guys, it's fine. Like, if you're in the desert where most of Libya is, it's like, there's a lot of sunshine most of the time. It's fine. Fine. They know, bloody rules at airports. I hate these rules from the airplanes.

Killjoys. Was Libya where Bart Simpson, you know, in the school UN roundtable that they did a little reenactment of in an early Simpsons episode? I think Bart was representing Libya. And he was like shuffling his, blank sheets of paper pane. The key export from Libya

is Mays. Is that a real memory? I might have made that up. Yeah, it's at the Lord of the Flies episode. Yeah, it could have been. And then the model UN and Martin Prince is doing the do-d-do-do-do-do, like that's the song of the UN and they're like, Martin, it's not the time.

Yeah, yeah, I think it is all the same, isn't it? That's that episode. We should try and reference the Simpsons of every episode. I'm sure we do anyway. Nazis and the Simpsons. Well, okay, well, back to the future. So Marty escapes luckily from that Libyan gunshot because of jams. He jumps into the Dolorian to try and get away.

The date that Doc had put in as an example was October 1955. So that's on the dash there. Marty gets in trying to drive away. The combie vans follow him around the car park. He gets up a bit of speed, hits 88 miles an hour. In the car park. In the car park. And, yeah, lands in a farm in 195.

And Doc's fine. And Doc's dead. Doc's still dead. But in 195, Doc is alive. So, look, am I going to go through the holster around? So that's the setup. That's how they get back into the past. That goes along.

Marty finds Doc. They're trying to figure out a way to, because they can't access the nuclear power back there. they need to figure out another way of doing it. They figure out that the clock tower is going to be struck by lightning and that's going to give them the power, so they know that's happening later in the week. A lot of scientists were consulted with this movie, I imagined.

Marty, yeah, totally. Apparently, I read one science guy, said it. It stacks up pretty well, a lot of it. Really? Yeah, which is surprising to me as well. Because something they don't worry about much is that everything Marty does would change things in the future.

And only, like, so one of the, the main plot point of the first movie is that Marty saves his dad from being hit by a car and gets hit by the car himself. And that is what led to Marty's parents meeting and falling in love. When his dad got hit by the car, that was his mom's dad. And he brought George McFlear, Marty's dad,

into his house where he met Lorraine. his mom and they fell in love there but instead Marty was taken in and his mom fell in love with Marty oh dear there's the incest we were talking

so a lot of the first film was spent with Marty trying to get Lorraine his mom to fall in love with his dad rather than with him oh very good and she knows him as Calvin Klein because they're the that's the underwear he's wearing there's heaps of product placement

so much product placement Wow. Pepsi's throughout the movie. Toyota ad is the first thing you hear at the start of the movie. There's an ad? Yeah. Oh, that's great. Yeah, his alarm clock goes off.

Good morning. Toyota, what a great car. But there's kind of fun things like, so there was an ad for, I think it was Stattler or something like that. And then in the third film in their Wild West, there's a billboard for Stattler horses. So it's a reference. Just a reference saying that family business. business went on from horse and carts to Toyotas in the future or whatever. Little fun things like that.

Like everywhere as well, I found. So I don't know, this is fucking tedious so far. That was fun. I'm enjoying the, uh, enjoying the, the recap. Um, so yeah, that, I mean, that's kind of, that's, I guess that's the, the basis for the movie. The other big part of it, I guess, is the, the, the bad guy through the whole series is a guy called, uh, Biff.

Or his, in the second movie, his, uh, um, It's Biff and his grandson, Griff. Griff Tanna. And in the third one, it's his, I think it's his great, maybe his great-great-grandfather or his, no, sorry, it'll be Biff's, well, one of Biff's ancestors was mad-d-dorf Tanner. So Biff doesn't sound like a very Libyan name to me. So he's not one of the Libyan.

So the Libyans only play that very small part. So what's Biff's beef, Biff's just a bully. He's been a bully. He was a bully to Marty's dad in high school in 195. Griff, in the second one, was a bully to Marty's son, Marty Jr. Oh, my goodness. And in the third one, Mad Dog Tanner, who was Griff's great, great, whatever, he was a bully to Marty's great-great-grandfather Seamus Mcfly,

an Irish immigrant who was the first McFly to. to land in America, played by Michael J. Fox with a fairly convincing Irish accent. I've got like four days left of unemployment, and I've already committed to watching the Rocky movies, because I haven't seen Rocky. There's like six of them. I know, I'm going to watch like one. Yeah. The first one's meant to be the best one.

Yeah, that's what I've been told. And now I'm going to watch Back to the Future. Yeah, it's so much fun. It's a really fun, a trilogy, I reckon. Well, enough about the plot, I think majority of people are familiar. Yeah, I think that Jess and I are the odd ones out and not knowing the plot. I was really expecting you guys to be all over it, but. Sorry, mate.

That's all right. You weren't born when it came out, so fair enough. No, we weren't. Well, I hardly was either. Nah, you were, though. What was the first one? You were very much alive. You definitely were alive.

You already had a beer. You already had a beer. And the second one was released in 89, and the third one in 1990. The secret. So there was never intended to be a sequel. The end of the first movie, Doc comes back from the future, and the Doloreans now are flying car, which obviously wasn't through the rest of the movie.

And that was just meant to be a little joke at the end of the movie. Like, look a crazy future, flying car. But that ended up, it became a huge success, the first movie. So there was pressure to, there was going to be a sequel. The studio were going to make a sequel. And they were like, to the creators. They're like, with or without you, we're doing it. So they're like, well, we're getting on board.

But we're not going to let someone else. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So they're like, let's write it. So who are the creators or the writers? Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale. They're the creators. And it was the whole idea came about when Bob Gale saw his father's high school yearbook

when he was visiting his parents. And he wondered to himself whether or not he would have been friends. with his dad if they were at high school at the same time because his dad was like, I think he was like president of the student body or something and he's like in my year I'd have no idea I had nothing to do with the president of the student

body I would, I wonder if I even would have known him, you know? So he found that idea really interesting and he took it to Zamacchus and then they started developing it and yeah, or maybe we'll talk a bit about that how the movie came about

so yeah, did just start as a film, they're screenwriters, are they? Yeah, they're screenwriters. They'd written a few movies together, and they had a bit of a relationship with Stephen Spielberg as well. They'd done two movies with Spielberg, but both of them had flopped.

So they were a bit wary. Supposedly they were a bit wary about doing another one with him. They were starting to think that it was looking like they're only getting gigs because of their relationship with Spielberg. Yeah, right. And what they're thinking at that stage,

Well, I don't think Spielberg's going to come back from this. Yeah, yeah. No, I think they knew he was okay. That's the last you'll hear of that Spielberg character. I'd love it if they thought he was the problem. We've got us at some work of the Spielberg. Yeah. He's really...

I think he was already... He already had a pretty strong career going, but they hadn't. So, yeah, they were just worried that they were seen as being like... The bad luck guys? Not bad luck, necessarily, just like, oh, if it wasn't for their mate Spielberg, they would never have any movies made, you know? Yeah. Writing his coat tails.

They felt like that's what it would look like. So they went without Spielberg and pitched it to a few studios. Columbia picked it up in a development deal, so they paid them to write a script. And then the next year in 81, they brought the script to them, and Columbia weren't particularly interested in it. They shelved it, which means something. else in other worlds, but anyway,

just amusing myself. And they actually said it's a very, it's a very nice film, but it's not, at that stage, teen movies were pretty, like, sexual and crazy. As opposed to,

shelving it. Yeah. So maybe it's a nice, maybe it's a nice Disney movie. Maybe take it to Disney, they said. So they took it to Disney, and Disney said that, The whole mother falling in love with her son thing

was not really appropriate for the Disney family market, they thought. You sort of need something in between Columbia and Disney. Yeah. Yeah. You're not Disney enough for us. I think Columbia at the time was just making hardcore porn or something. Unless he fucks his mom, we're not interested. We really enjoyed this interaction between the mother and her son.

We feel like that should be the movie. If we could explore that more. I just don't understand all this stuff with the Libyans of the star. Yeah, there's terrorism. There's, like, it's a pretty crazy movie, but it is still like super family friendly. I watched as a kid, and I didn't pick up any of that stuff. No.

It starts with terrorists executing an old man. Yeah. And then it's like... Executing is a great word. And the problem that... It's a little too Disney for me. No, the problem Disney had was... Yeah, the one where he falls in love with his mother,

that's the problem that I see. Yeah, yeah. Not the bit where the old man can shot by some Libyan terrorists. Yeah, that's true. Oh, that's fine. No worries. Well, that's definitely part of the Disney values. In the meantime, Zamekis directed a film called Romancing the Stone,

which was a bit of a hit, which gave him a little bit of currency. Sweet coin. Yeah, a bit of coin, but also just a bit, helped his reputation a bit, outside of his relationship with Spielberg. He showed that he could do it without him sort of thing. So at that stage, they approached Spilberg and say, do you want to get on board?

And with Spilberg, they found some interest from Universal studios. Yeah, Spilberg Coatels here they go again. But also the Zemeckas from Dancing the Stone. Yes, but yeah. Success. Success. Yeah. So, but the thing is it was someone from Columbia who'd moved over

and was now running Universal. So they already liked the script when they were, over at Columbia, but they didn't have the final say. So when they're over at Universal, they're like, hey, I can't believe I'm going to get a crack at this. But Columbia still owned the script. Oh, because they paid for it to be developed. Yeah, so they owned it.

They must be so frustrating when someone's like, oh, no, I've got these guys who want to make it, but these guys own it and they don't want anyone else to have it, but they don't want to make it. We don't want to make it, but we don't want them to make it. What if it's a hit? Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's like, if I can't have it, no one can or whatever. That's exactly what it is, yeah.

It is kind of like that, yeah. Even though they can have it, they do have it. So it falls down a little. But anyway. So in these kind of situations, do they just have to start offering lots and lots of money to buy? Yeah, that would be one way of doing it. In this case, they went back to the future of all Colombia. Back to the past, but yeah.

Back to the past, where they hired some Libyan terrorists. to blow up the Colombian headquarters. Oh, it all makes sense now. Before they were even born. And they all fell in love with their mums. Which is just how we ended up in this bizarreo future that we're in now. But you're listening to this program. So at the same time that Universal was showing some interests,

Columbia were trying to make a film called Big Trouble. But Columbia's lawyers said, Is it a life-size adaptation of the board game trouble? Big trouble. Pretty good. Worth interrupting you. Continue, Matt. So, no.

Yes, it was. Columbia's making this film called Big Trouble. They'd green lit it. It was good to go. They were ready to film. But their lawyers, like, the only problem is it is the script. script is so similar to another movie called Double Indemnity,

which they didn't have the rights to, an older movie. So Columbia Pictures traded the ownership of Back to the Future, and Universal gave Columbia the rights to... Like a... Like a... Like, a... Like, a...

Like, Pokemon... Like, like, Pokemon... Yeah, totally. Monopoly. Like, you give me Park Lane. I'll give you all three of these green ones. Then we'll both have a set-e. Or a bit like trouble, if you will.

That's totally how it was. But at that stage, both were like, we want this thing you've got. Let's just swap. And it was like a perfect... That's amazing. With hindsight, it's a horrible trade from Columbia. Because you don't even know what big trouble is. But this is the thing I found really fascinating was

Universal only had the rights to double indemnity because they just bought a big chunk of movies from Paramount from the pre-1948. It was a 1994 film. They just bought this huge heap of films mainly to use to sell to TV channels. It's like midday movies and stuff.

So it was just one little, like it wasn't this prize possession they had. It was just like... They just had like 200 scripts. Yeah, well they went to a garage sale for movies and said, we'll take whatever you got. And one of them was this thing that ended up landing them back to the future. Oh my God, that's fascinating. You'd never get that these days, would you?

Just like a swap you. It feels like that, yeah, that would be unlikely. Probably because of things like this. Yeah, probably, yeah. We're not making the bloody, the big trouble. Big trouble is right. Surely there's some sort of alternative reality where no one's heard of back to the future, but Big Trouble Four is coming out at cinemas this summer.

And we're so excited. Everyone's like, yes. Big Trouble for! Even bigger trouble. It had a great cast and it was... I think it got released in the end, but yeah, there's no... The Wikipedia page talk is very small for it, but it's got the castes pretty great. It was John Cassavetti's last film that he directed.

Peter Falk's in it, Alan Arkin. So it's like... Peter Falk from Colombo. Colombo, yeah. I like Alan Arkin. Yeah, so it was like... And it was... Yeah, they obviously, Columbia thought it was going to be big.

but it just didn't quite happen for him. Anyway, moving along. There was an executive at Universal who started making suggestions to this script that they'd just bought. He saw ways of improving it. And some of these things came off. His name was Sydney Shineberg.

That is such a sweet producing. Yeah. Sidney Shaneberg. He... You're going to be a star, kid. Yeah. It's me. Sydney.

Or to you, Mr. Chainberg. I'll make your star, see? Come on, man, have a go. It's fun. Hey, hey, good on you. I'm Sydney. Nah, it's pretty good. Pretty good.

That's probably more accurate, to be honest. Hey, hey, I'm Sydney, Seanberg. Nice to meet you. That's probably more accurate to what he sounded like. It was not the 40s. Yeah, this is what, the 80s. He's going on to be. You're going right to the top, kid.

It's me, Sydney. I know, Sydney. I know, Sydney. What do you keep saying your name? Stop saying your name. Sydney, I've known you for 20 years. You brought us into this office for some suggestions to the script. What do you want to say?

I'll get there, kid. I'm Schaenberg. I'm Sydney, Schaenberg. Yeah, your name's right there on the desk. I know. You're the best man of my wedding, Sydney. I know. So, okay, these are...

So, did you make some... These are his suggestions. And these ones, a bunch of them were used. So he suggested they changed Marty's mother's name from Meg to Lorraine, which happened. I love Keish. You see, kid, I'm eating Keish every day. Lorraine! It's big. It's big in the 80s. He was, it sounds like...

Find me one person called Meg. Hey? Come on. What the hell? What the hell? Everyone was talking about Keish, Lorraine. Lorraine. My God, I've done it again. I'm Sydney. Sydney. Shainberg. Shineberg, you've done it again.

He says it to her yourself. All right, what else does he say? I think you're pretty close to the kind of guy was, because they are the kind of... I don't know about the voice and stuff, but they're the kind of, the reason he had, was Lorraine was because it was his wife's name or something like that. That was just a totally vain reason. That's pretty. He also suggested changing, um, uh, Professor Brown to Doc Brown, which they did.

Nobody trusted Professor. He's all about the ducks. You know who you trust? You're Doc, though. He should be a Doc. I've never had a glove professional put his finger in my ass. And a Doc, I've had many a duck. See what I'm talking about, kid?

I'm Sydney. Dr. Sidney Shaneberg. Your new character, Sydney Shineberg, is just about the funniest thing I've ever heard of my life. Chuck in Shineberg. I think he might be. Oh my God. Yeah, I reckon we should get him on. Kish Lorraine.

We offer him a Kish Lorraine. Get him on. We have been tweeting to Buzz. Buzz like, Buzz like here. Buzz Aldrin since the last episode. He is still kicking. He's 80 years old. Sydney Shine.

Sydney. Sydney. Sydney. See? He, so other suggestions he made? Oh yes.

Oh my God, there's more, yes. Initially, Doc Brown's pet was a chimpanzee and he said, he said,

I've done the research. Of course he had. There has never been a hit movie with a chimpanzee in it. Name me one. Name me one famous gym. One famous gym.

You can't, you can't. I've tried. I bet you could name five famous dogs. And then he, I've got one right here looks at my dog. My little dog Einstein.

Why don't you just call it Doug Einstein? Shutberg, you're done it again. Listening back to this is just going to be a lot of me going. Trying to interrupt with actual facts. Matt, we're not interested in actual facts on this show. I'm just laughing. I'm just like, I just like, but I've got a thing to say. That's like the dullest way to do a podcast.

Listen to me for a second. I went something boring. But yeah, so here's something boring. Someone replied to him. I said, when he said, I've done my research, there's never been a hit movie with a chimpanzee in it. And someone said, what about Pana to the Apes? Someone said, what about any which way but loose or something like that? And he's like, orangutan.

Oh, got around a technicality. Nice. I said, chip. Chimp. There's no movie with a chimp. You want to make it a gorilla, then we'll talk. Yeah. King Kong, big fan, big fan.

He's just to his secretary. Jessica is King Kong still coming in for lunch because we could really go to Keith Lorraine right now. It's me. Sidney Shiburg, by the way. Sidney Syberg, your boss. Oh, fuck me, that's so great. That's not all, I'm not quite done with Shineberg.

His final, probably his most famous suggestion was one that didn't come off. He'd also done some research and found that no hit film had ever had future in the title. so he said we can't we gotta change the name and he suggested they change it to spaceman from Pluto back to the future I don't like it I don't like it you know one of the kids are talking about

Pluto that new planet Pluto the most recently discovered planet everyone loves Pluto right am I right You know what else they love you know what else they love Space man's what I'm thinking we put it together Space for Pluto Oh

Oh Shainberg You've done it again Shineberg's my new hero Zemeckis was like I don't like that name very much and he

so he got he contacted Spilberg he's like Spilberg can you're the only one that Shineberg respects Yeah pretty much he's like Yeah the Bergs He's like

Geez their names are very similar There's only a couple Anyway Is that a conspiracy? I wonder Same person You never seen us in the same room Do you think?

Yeah It's Stephen Spielberg doing a character imagine. It's me. Cindy Shyburn. That's why he keeps saying his name is to remind himself.

Is that you, Stephen? I got a goal. No, it's Sydney. It's like Mrs. Delfland. He's got to do this. I've got to put my face in some cream right now.

So he got Zemeckis got on to Spielberg and said, dude, what the hell? Can you please do someone about this? So apparently

Spilberg sent a memo over to Shineberg and said something along the lines of thanks so much for that that is such a humorous memo we really got a great laugh out of it cheers

just like playing it like we assume you're joking like Space Man from Pluto Yeah Very funny joke You know And apparently that embarrassed him into dropping the suggestions He just never brought me

He was like Yeah I'm a gag man But they took three out of four of his suggestions So Yeah Yeah, no, he definitely, they were definitely listening to it. Actually, no, they didn't about the dog, did they know.

They kept the dog. No, no, they did change it to a dog. From a chimp. They had it from a chimp. Oh, okay, okay. It was going to be chimp. Not an orangutan, but chimp. Another change that I don't think, uh, Shineberg was involved in was initially the

time machine wasn't going to be a car. It was going to be like a stationary vault sort of thing made from refrigerator. It was basically going to be a refrigerator. And that was going to be the time machine. And it was going to be powered. by an atomic bomb. They had to go in 195, they had to go to a bomb test site.

But Spielberg was worried that kids would trap themselves in refrigerators, apparently, so that's why they changed it to a car. And the car was a lot more versatile as well because it could also be used as a car. Which is handy, isn't it? Yeah, which turns out to be pretty handy. But what if you want a cool beverage?

Oh, that's a good point. You've got to drive to your fridge. Well, that's doable. It's doable. I guess that is doable. Oh, God, that's so funny. Yeah, so he's probably my favorite thing about the whole story that I've found is more so now, but the Sydney's Scheinberg. I didn't realize there was going to be so much juice in it, but...

I'm a big fan of the Shineberg. Shineberg, you did it again. You're a star, Scheidberg. That's why he yells to himself in the mirror of the morning. Has he produced, like, a lot of hit films? Like, if we look up, Scheinberg. Oh, we'll look up, Seanberg. We know he's alive aged 80 or in his 80s.

But, like, I would love if he had produced some of the... films or is this his big his shining moment? I mean this has got to be, surely this would be his big moment right but Feather in the cap. Let's see, what's his career? He's been married to actress Lorraine Gary

since 956 so that's where the Lorraine came from. Lorraine! I like Keish. I like that you went straight to Keish and not like it could be somebody else's name. Like his wife, Keish. When I hear Lorraine, I instantly think of I love a Keish Lorraine right about now.

Fair enough. Oh, Shineberg is also known for discovering Stephen Spielberg. Oh. Yeah, because they're the same person. Yeah, that's right, exactly. So maybe Spielberg is a character of Shineberg. Yeah, I think that's it. Well, that makes sense to me.

Nobody was taking Shineberg seriously, so he invented this prodiget. Spielberg. What's his first name? Stephen. Stephen. Stephen. He said, Stephen. You're going to love him. He's not me.

What? I got a goal for five minutes, but Stephen's going to come right back through that door. I think he was in clue. So he helped work on Jaws, E.T., Jurassic Park. So a lot of Spielberg's ones. I've heard of them. Yeah, I know of them. And Shinla's list.

Okay. And Back to the Future. Geez, Back to the Future is right down the list on... Oh, Wiki. Wiki. Do you want to talk about the cast at all? Do you know much about the cast? Oh, no.

No, to be honest, we've got Michael J. Fox and... Christopher Lloyd. Yeah, big fan. So, obviously, you know, movies then usually, it's rare that you just starts with the first choice and that's who it ends up being. So there were other choices and... And it's always that thing of,

imagine if it was that role. Yeah. It would have sucked if it was, you know. Totally. So I think, I've read that, um, I've read a bunch that Marty McFly was their first choice, but I've also read, so he,

but he initially said he couldn't do it because of, um, his TV commitments at family time. Family Ties. And the producer of family ties wouldn't release him to shoot it. Until Shineberg got in their ear. Yeah.

Apparently Ralph Machio was offered the part. Ralph Machio, Ralph Machio, the karate kid. Oh, yeah. Wow. Okay. I could have done wonders for his later career. He knocked it back. Oh, it would have been amazing.

He knocked it back with a karate chop. He chopped it back. He just chopped the script in half. Hey! And you're like, man, you're really going to typecast yourself if you keep demanding to do this. in every meeting. Stop wearing your black belt to Hollywood. He just walks down the street for them.

Yeah, his manager would just be so pissed off. Come on, we really need to do well in this meeting. No, not today. Chop! And he does that... What's that classic movie did? Wax on, wax off. Yeah, he waxes you on and off.

Oh, hello. That's like him saying yes or no to a script. Wax off. Wax off. Wax on. This is good. Oh, wax on. I'll go for this part. Don't say wax off too.

Too much. But, okay, so Fox knocked it back. He had to knock it back. So the role was initially given to Eric Stoltz. Are you familiar with him at all? You might know him by face. He's been in films like Pulp Fiction. Yay, I know he's nice.

Killing Zoe, kicking and screaming. Who does he play in Pulp Fiction? One of them, one of them dudes. Yeah. Yeah. Which do? Don't I. John Travolta.

Yeah, he plays John Travolta. You're thinking of face off. Oh, sorry, I'm thinking of face off. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so he was given the role initially, and they shot for four weeks. Oh, they did a whole month with him. Yeah, they did a whole month with him before. I've read different things.

I've had all of them say that the producers, Spielberg, and also director of Semechus, saw him as being. unsuitable for the role. Great, um, he brought great drama to it, but not the comedy. Oh. So that's sort of a comedy film.

Yeah, that's right. So, okay, so Eric Stoltz played Lance, Vincent's Drug Dealer in Pulp Fiction. Oh, he's awesome. The guy that won't answer the phone

eating the cereal. Yeah, that's right. I think that's right. Yeah. I haven't seen that movie in a while. And he's got a, he's one that injects.

That moves a trilogy in one. Pardon? No, he's the one that gives the... You'll enjoy editing out that That's the last of the wars there. That's how Dave just died. He looked, his eyes glazed over. Oh, no, because I...

That movie was three stories and one. Pulpiction was... I said it was a trilogy in one, and you just like look at me and had a stroke. No, I was imagining the character of Lance. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that as we're recording a podcast. You're silently imagining something, you're jerk.

Just thinking about Umma Thurman being injected injected in the heart. Anyway, I love you, I love you, I thought you were going to die in that movie.

You looked into the middle distance there, which is hard in such a small room. I was lost. I was lost. So, yeah, he shot for four weeks. Apparently there are a couple of like small glimpses of him in the final cut as well. And I read a bunch of different accounts of it.

One of them was talking about how they'd made the decision but hadn't told him and kept shooting for a while. And they were like... And they were like... Sorry, mate. There hasn't been filming this camera for three weeks. No, they were filming. It was like, are we going to get the reverse angle? Like, oh, no, we'll get that one later.

We'll get that one later sort of thing. So I'll get in all the shots of dock. Oh, yeah. Why do you keep filming the back of my head? Don't worry about it, Eric. Yeah. Don't worry. Brodle.

Oh, that's harsh. I've also read some things saying that he agreed that he wasn't. suitable for the role after filming that he found the direction a bit confusing. So, I don't know. But, yeah, my instinct says that it was more them than him. That's, like, a little bit of pressure once they do bring on Michael J. Fox. Like, well, we've already filmed for a month with this other guy. But he wasn't right.

So you better, like... Yeah, we're pretty prepared to fire people. Yeah, but also like... A little bit, but I also think they were like, they always kind of wanted Michael J. Fox. And I reckon part, it feels like it's a bit of a coincidence that he'd be. became available. So I wonder if he still wasn't available if they would have fired him anyway. Yeah, maybe.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But the decision cost them $3 million, losing that four weeks of filming. And the budget at that stage was only meant to be $14 million. So it was a huge chunk of the budget. Quarter of your money has just gone on Eric Stoltz. Yeah, and all the crew. I mean, yeah.

Yeah, obviously he's not being paid for him. Yeah, but on that decision. So Fox jumped on. on board, making a deal with his producer at Family Ties that he would still, if there was ever a conflict, Family Tires wins. So family, he kept filming Family Ties Monday to Friday during the day and then filming back to the future at night till about 2.30 in the morning. Wow. Having around five hours sleep getting up and doing it again. So all the nighttime shoots were internal set shoots. And then weekends he would do the external exterior. Oh, my.

My goodness. So it's just he hectic. And there was a quote somewhere that said he goes, I always dreamed of working in the movie and television industries. I just never thought it would be at the exact same time. Oh, wow. He's a witty guy. I feel like it's probably much funny when he said it.

Sorry, Matt. He just had... Both of them was like, hold for applause. Hold for applause. I did the Eric Stoltz reading of the one. You're about to say, let's do it. Let's replace you with Michael Joe. Let's let Dave do it.

Dave, you do that line. I always dreamed of being in the television and film industry. Just never thought it'd be at the same time. Am I right? I'm Michael J. Fox. Thank you. Do all your characters just say who they are a lot? Yeah.

Just to reinforce it. It's an audio medium. And I only have one voice. No, I've got two voices. The other one's Stoenberg. Okay. I'm Sydney. I like Michael J.

This Eric Stoltz? I don't get him. I don't get him. There was some collateral damage from the Stoltz sacking. His, Marty McFeyer's girlfriend in the movie was to be played at that stage by Malora Hardin. But she was seen as being too tall. Jess, that name is funny.

Jess is laughing. It is funny. Malora Hardon. Hardon. Hardin. But she was too tall for Michael Jay. She was too. Michael Joe Fox is about 5'4.

Oh, he's tiny. And so she was seen as being too tall to be his girlfriend. Tall girls never date show guy. She was recast. Her part was recast. I imagine if she was recast as Eric Stoltz. By Claudia Wells. Sheideberg's like, I'll play his girlfriend.

I'm only 5'7. I'm 4'4.8. I can wear heels, guys. I can wear heels. I've got beautiful eyelashes Watch him go So Claudia Wells played Jennifer in the first movie

But wasn't able to play her in the sequel So she was recast Because she had Personal reasons I think it sounds like her mom was a bit crook So Elizabeth Shue came in to play that role Same character or just new girlfriend

No exact same character They even re-filmed one of the scenes So the end of the first movie is the same scene as the first of the second movie. They just re-shot it, shot for shot, just with a new actress. Oh. Yeah. Which I never noticed as a kid either. But yeah.

So that was because of Stolt's missing out. It meant that Hartner, but she's still a working actress. She's on some big-time TV shows that I've never heard of in America. To this very day. But Hart on is. Still hard. Yeah, she's still doing really well. Then other cast members, so you got Christopher Lloyd was cast as Doc Brown,

and that was after John Lithgow was unavailable. Oh, he'd be good. Yeah, he would have been really good. Also, apparently... Was he old enough yet, though? To look crazy. Well, the problem with it, I mean, the problem or the tricky thing about it is that the Doc Brown character is multiple ages.

He has to play a... 30 year gap in age. So if you're young, then you're going to have to make yourself up to be look older or vice versa. So it wouldn't have necessarily mattered. You probably want to be somewhere in between. I feel like Doc just always looks old, though. Yeah, he kind of does. I guess he's meant to be in his 30s in the first one, in his 60s.

No, sorry, he's 30s in 55 and his 60s in 85, I guess. Yeah. But yeah, he's obviously pushing it for 30s in the first one. I don't think he, or maybe it's 40s and 70s. I'm not sure. So yeah, I guess that could have worked. And also, other people who were considered for the role include, I'm a blanket on his name, but he was like, everyone loves him.

He was in Jurassic Park. He was in Portlandia recently. He was in... Are you talking about life just finds a way? Yeah, maybe. Who's that? Jeff Goldblum? Yep, that's him.

So he was up for the part as well. He is the sexies man. Anyway, yep. So, yeah, it ended up being Doc Brown. Doc Brown also is quite tall. He's 6'1. So in the movie, they had to use trick photography. Christopher Lloyd is...

Oh, sorry, Christopher Lloyd is, yeah. How tall? Six one, so pretty tall, but compared to Michael J. Foxy is really tall. Oh, white, yeah. So they had to use trick photography sort of things like depth perception sort of stuff, and also Doc Brown hunched a lot, and that's why. So he could be in the same shot as Marty. Just imagine. Keep punching. More. More. He's like in a ball on the floor.

Yeah, please. hunch. Yeah, they should have cast him in a wheelchair or something if they needed to. Maybe like a segue. No, that makes you taller. That doesn't work at all. Sorry. Put Michael Jay on a segue. Put Michael Jay on a segway. Can we get a box or, yes. I think this is why we should be in production. Apparently Christopher Lloyd took inspiration from Albert Einstein and the conductor Leopold Stikowski. Oh yeah. For the party played. Oh, right.

Just his life. They're just his idols anyway. Which conductor? I've never heard of him. Leopold Stokowski. Nice. Famous in the 80s, perhaps. What do you reckon Leopold Stokowski would sound like?

Great Scott. I've got two voices. One is my own. The other is... Do you very! I can find another voice. No, I don't have one. Go low.

You've gone high. Yeah, go really low. Hey, I'm a conductor. Hey, I'm a conductor. You've now got a triptych of voices. Yeah, that's right. I'm a triple threat of voices. One of them is my own.

It's not bad. Lorraine, uh, the, Marty's mum was played by Leah Thompson. in part one, two and three. Her main role was in part one. She, so she's playing Marty's mom, but she's actually only

three days older than Michael J. Foxx. Three days? But that's because, again, because in the 1995, she was playing her own age, basically. It's like me playing your mum. It is, because you are two days older than I am. I do have a joke about looking like a mum from a Nappy Sanad,

but... You do look like that shirt and everything. about she was very... I often wear this... Denim on white. Yeah. Yeah. The white boat shoes. You are looking very...

Suburban mummy. Did you notice that yourself? What did someone once tell you that? Somebody said I could play... I don't think I look my age. So they said I could be like 22 or 32. You know? Like you'd sort of be like,

hey, she looks like old for 22 or young for 32. Yes. That is the weirdest logic. To me, that just means you look like your 20 spot. Yeah, hold on, didn't just like, you find the middle ground there, don't you? Yeah, I don't know. Look, you're definitely not 25 or 26. You are either...

You're either 115 or you're a toddler. Yeah. Yeah, so I could play your mum based on that logic. There you go. And then, but Chris and Glover, who played... God, I love that name. I love the name of Christian. It's such a sweet name.

Have you seen his... He's got a pretty famous interview on... an early Letterman, and it's super awkward and a lot of fun. I still don't know if it's put on or not. But at one point, I think he goes to fake kick him or punch him or something. Letterman's fake punts. No, Crispin, he goes, look, I can, hey, I can, I've got value. I can, look, I can kick.

And he's like, put his foot up in his face, or something like that. It's a vague memory. Very weird. But, yeah, so he plays George McFly on the first movie, but he's three years younger than so Michael J. Fox. What? So it's interesting. He, his role, like, he had quite a big role in the first film, but in the second and third

ones, his role was going to be reduced and his pay was going to be a lot less than a couple of the other stars. So he held out for more money. He got a second opera, which was less than the first one. Oh, that is classic. Brutal. Sydney. That is, yeah.

That's got Sydney all over it, doesn't it? Okay, you want to wait? Oh, yeah. Okay. I'll tell you what I'll do. I spend your money at the track. Now I'm a millionaire, you're getting less. Every time we just peel back another layer of who this Sydney got. Oh, yeah, the gambling.

And the good gambler, yeah. Maybe that's what, because there's a big part of the storyline is about Biff earning his fortunate as a gambler. Biff was based on Sydney. A little part of him there. Um, so yeah, so, um, he was, he, he didn't accept it. So he wasn't in the second and third films. Oh, so he just, he held out so much. Yeah, he held out.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A guy called Jeffrey Wiseman, um, came in instead, uh, with prosthetics on his face to make him look more like Crispin Glover and some. Doing a crispin Glover mask. Also, yeah, basically, they had a mold of his face.

They had a mold of his face from the first film because they had to age him in the first film. So they were able to do it pretty. accurately. I never knew until recently. That wasn't even him. But they do tricks like in the future, George McFly has done his back. Like in 2015, he's done his back. So he's in this weird upside down thing. So it's a bit harder to tell. So every scene you see him, he's never just like face at the camera. It's always like back of his head, side on upside down. Right. Do you still think if you use a mask of someone, do you have to pay? Well, that, because of this, um, Okay, so I'll just read this chunk off one line.

So Crispin Glover sued the filmmakers, as he had not granted permission to use his likeness in part two. His suit named John Doe, one to 100 as defendant, so he did not have to name all the individuals he was suing. And this suit ended up being dropped because it was settled out of court when he got a payment,

which was much higher than about three times what his offer was to be in the second. $765,000. So we got three quarters of a million to not be in the film? Wow. I mean, they basically used, they used him. Yeah. But without using him.

And they decided that would be cheaper than going to trial. But because of this case, the Screen Actors Guild subsequently introduced new rules about illicit use of actors. So now you can't do stuff like that. Oh, you can't just use someone's, I can't put on like a Robert De Niro mask. Yeah. pretend to be Robert De Niro. Not with that, like I imagine you could do it if you were knocking about, but if you were being going, pretty much going.

You've heard my accent range. Yeah. I could make it pretty accurate. But they also use some footage of... I'm Robert De Niro. I'm Robert De Niro. I used to be in a lot of good films. I'm not saying any words.

Yeah, but I'm doing the voice because it's an audio podcast. I used to be in a lot of good films, and now I'm in a lot of shit old people movies. I'm Robert De Niro. Meet the focus. It's not great. He's in terror. Have you seen his acting choices?

Yeah. He doesn't need to be in those. I don't know. Maybe he just wants, maybe he's having fun. He's just having a good time. Fuck you, Dave. Fuck you, Robert De Niro.

What a waste of a talent. Here's another interesting point, Dave. Is it about Robert De Niro? Because that's what I'm thinking about. No, unfortunately. It's about Leah Thompson, who played The Raine, the mom. Oh, yes, I do like Keish Lorraine. So she's in, you know, you know how I said that,

Michael J. Fox plays Seamus McFly. It's not yet. He's married to a woman named Maggie. Okay. Good. But Maggie is poised. Why was there such a big pause? There was a pause that I couldn't find the name.

I thought it was... I thought it was like a big... I was pausing for effect. I thought it was going to be like a really, really, really funny name. No, no, nothing like that. Maggie. It's not funny. And Maggie McFly is Marty's paternal great-great-great-grandmother,

but she is played by Leah Thompson, who played his mum also. So not on the right side of the family. So again, it's like it's got Michael J. Fox in a relationship basically with the person who's playing his mum, which is different. But they said, because it makes no sense that she would have any resemblance because she's from a different side of the front. Yeah, but they, um, Zemeckis said that he imagines that McFlyman are simply genetically predisposed to be attracted to women that look like her.

Okay, that's... No, that's weird. That's very undisneyed. That's very weird. Yeah, no wonder. I reckon my favourite actor in the movie is Thomas F. Wilson, you know, he's the one who plays the bad guy, Biff and Griff and Mardtner. He is... he does stand up and... he's a very funny song on YouTube

where he talks about all the, he's still just bugged with questions about this movie and he's sick of it. So he just got this song where he sings all the answers. He's like, Michael J. Fox, yeah, he's a nice guy. The hoverboards, yeah, we were on strings. It's a much more tuneful than that, but...

Hopefully. Yeah, we were on strings. Michael J. Foxx is, I reckon his range is so good. He's like the manure, everyone always asks if it was real manure. Because he eats manure in every movie. And he's like, no, it wasn't. It's a movie. Yeah, that didn't make me shit.

But the characters, the Tannan characters were named after a universal executive Ned Tannan who was particularly dushy to them in an early meeting for an earlier movie. Oh. So they're like, yeah, we're going to name the bad guy after him. To me, it's like, oh, that's sweet. Immortalized me. That'll show me. Yeah, that's right.

Thank you. Who else is in there? James Tolkien was Mr. Strickland. This is such a dumb podcast. Now I'm going to read a list of actors. He played, so he was the teacher. You know, the one of the guy, you're a slacker McFly. And he was said this, it was the same to George as he was to Marty from the different areas.

But also his grandfather, Marshall James Strickland, was also played by Tolkien in the third part. He was the sheriff in town. And he also talked about discipline. And he was teaching his son. He's like, see, you've got to show them disciplined, kid, and they're sort of showing that that's how it was part of. Is the whole film one scene and then callbacks to the one scene? It totally is. Just the same thing, just in three different settings.

In every movie, in every movie, Mark. Sean Berg's like, make it the same. Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I like the first, I like the first movie. Make two more of that. Two more. Westerns. Westons are coming back.

Making a Western. Yeah, apparently Michael J. Fox had said he's like, it would be really fun to be in a Western. I'm probably in part that was the reason why they did that. But also, in every movie, Marty wakes up thinking he's just had a bad dream about time travel. And in every movie in different, in the Wild West, in Bizarro, 1995, in 1985. In each of those movies, it's his mum, or the actress playing, his mom, Thompson, saying, Oh, Marty, you know, you're here and it's okay, you're still here in 1950.

1955? And then that's where he realized, you're still here in the Wild West? My mum's literally never woken me up and told me the date. Yeah. Don't worry, Marty. Good morning, Jess. It's 2015. I'm off to work.

Bye. Yeah, I can't remember how she did it. Because in the bizarro one, it was the year that he was expecting. It was just like in this warped version of it. Don't worry, Marty. You're just in 1985 where your dad is. now Biff Tannen for some reason. She explains the whole plot.

Yeah, yeah. And I have fake breasts, because that's what he wants anyway. What? Yeah, so that's enough about the character. They're pretty much all the main characters. There were, like, sweet cameos, like Huey Lewis played the judge at the start of the first one, where Marty was trialling out his band,

and Huey Lewis goes, you know, Huey Lewis? And the news, who are still touring. I looked them up yesterday, for some reason. Yeah, right. Well, they wrote the themes to the first movie. Power of Love. Oh, that's cool.

It was written for the movie. It was nominated for an Oscar. Wow. And, yeah, Huey Lewis played this sort of nerdy, comb over judge, and he goes, Stop, sorry, you're just too darn loud. And that's why, that's how he, even though they were playing a song he wrote.

Oh, right. That's a bit of a, bit of a nod and a wink, hey? Pretty funny. It was a huge, the first one in particular, a massive success. It ended up being about a $19 million budget, so it blew out a little bit from the early stage, but that was partially because of the salt thing. But it made around $390 million.

Whoa. 20 times. The whole trilogy cost about $100 million, so that the sequels obviously cost a bit more, they put a bit more cash in it, but they made up over $900 million, so it was sweet profits. Very nice.

You're an Oscar, fan, Dave, are you familiar with their performance of the Oscars? No, please. They were nominated for five over the trilogy. Wow. Only winning one, and that was

for the first movie's editing. Sound effects editing. Sound effects editing. Yeah, which is so super specific. Those people get about five seconds before they're played off

for their speech. Hello, I'd like to thank, Get up. No one cares who you are. There's happened in the ad breaks, for sure. Yeah, cool. So that's most of.

I got a bunch of interesting facts. I've probably told you for them already. Do we have time for some of them? I think we should have some time to wrap up with some sweet facts about back. I love to finish with some fun facts. I love to finish with fun facts to the future. Stop it. Oh, no, I get it.

I get it. Okay. What was the other one that said earlier that was worth interrupting Matt for? Oh, big trouble. Big trouble. Yes, that was great. That will be edited out. No, it's so good.

No, no. No, do you know what, though? It was just his face. Like how happens? happy he looked with it that made it so great for me. Pretty good, everyone. You know, the best, I'm much more enjoyed than not doing the report part of this podcast, which I think is good that it's two-thirds of it is.

Yeah. That's right. Two out of three times, we're here, you have a good time. I feel like, yeah, the ones that I do always feel shit, and they always... I really enjoy, I feel like I don't need to see the movie now, which is good. Yeah, I've just... How can you take the fun out of a really fun thing? That's what we should call my episodes of the podcast.

You know the fun things? Like Birkenwills and AFL. Yeah, Birkenwills and AFL. The creation of the AFO. This maybe isn't a super fun fact, but I found this kind of cool. They did a... Mediocre fun fact. They did a bunch of these kind of things.

So Doc was kind of, like, early on, at the very start, George McFly was a loser. Like, in the original 1985, George was a loser. Marty went back. And when he came back to 1985, his dad was a success. who was a great author and stuff of that. And this is in part because of Marty, right? So Doc was a bit of a father figure to Marty

and he would encourage him to, you know, have a go, basically. He used to say, if you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything to Marty. Marty went back and said that to his dad when his dad was young. And then they came back to New 985 where his dad was a success and George McFly said to Marty, hey, if you put your mind to it, you can achieve anything. Or you can accomplish anything, which is kind of fun.

I like those little things. But yeah, there's just heaps of that. And you're right about the scenes just repeating themselves. It sounds like one scene. The dialogue and the scenes are just all like. One scene over three movies for six hours. This one apparently is a pretty famous one, so you may already know it. When he gets back into, when he first gets to 955, he runs over a pine tree in the Dolorian.

So where he left was the car park of Twin Pines Mall. And when he gets back to 1985, it's called Lone Pine Mall. Yeah, that was kind of fun, right? Very good. Yeah. Would have been better if Scheinberg told us that fact. Shaneberg. I'm still here, guys.

Fox played the guitar through the movie, but that was all miming. He was taught by a guy called Paul Hansen to believably simulate it. That's not a fun fact. That's just a fact. The father of the band Hansen. I feel like this is a fun fact. That would have been cool if it was true. Oh, and that is true, probably.

How many Hansons can they be? Yeah, what are the odds? There are Pauline Hanson's cousin. Elijah Wood made his movie debut in Back to the Future 2 as a kid playing a video game in Cafe 80s. Oh, cool. That cafe is in each timeline as well. In one timeline, it's a gym.

In one, it's a cafe, and then in the future, It is a cafe, but there's some exercise bikes in there for some reason. Oh. The cafes of the future. Combine the two. We had a gym, we had a cafe. I tell you what we do. We put a gym in a cafe.

Hey, I'm going to do that in real life. We're getting rid of adventure. Shyberg. Did you guys know that the series was kind of continued in cartoon form for a couple of years? No. In the early 90s? With Michael J. Voicing or?

No, for the most part, it was a different voice. He's got Shaneburg to do every character. Not all of them. Some like, I think Biff was still voiced by the same guy. But in the cartoon Doc Brown was voiced by a guy you might be familiar with. Oh, you're looking at me. Dan Castellanatta. Aha, from the old Simpsom.

You can probably pronounce that more correctly. Castellanatta? I'm fairly sure, yeah. Yeah, great. Yeah, so that's Homer. That's cool. That would have been Simpsons was already just going then. Yeah, Simpsons is 1989.

The early drafts, early drafts of the sequel had them going back to the 60s, where George McPlyle was going to be a college professor and his mom, Lorraine, was going to be a keish. Was going to be a flower child. Shineberg's like, I tell you what you do. I got it. I got the idea. What do you want? Maybe she could have been a keesh.

I'm just riffing here. Just a giant talking kiss. You know the whole fridge thing? Yeah. Spilberg, he sort of poo-pooed it because he was worried about the kids. He ended up using it in the fourth Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones survives a bomb blast. Oh, inside the fridge.

That's right. That's where he got that inspiration from. Spielberg, not a fan of episode two, the one that comes to 2015. There's a quote saying, he says, Episode two is that little dip in a trilogy that we all go through, like Temple of Doom. Wow. I don't know of that. That's Indiana Jones.

Yeah, right, great. The second one. Yeah, cool. Which is definitely not as good as the first and third. I reckon the second one. I probably prefer the backs of the futures and the order they came out for second and third. So getting not as good. Yeah, that's a...

I get progressively worse. But I like them all, but the first one's from my favourite. What else? Oh, the shirt that Doc wears through the... majority of the second film has like this print on it which is uh little cowboys riding horses and a train so it's just like it's foreshadowing how the second or the third movie very good so many injucks which is fun yeah because he in the the end of the last one he ends up turning a train into a time machine so that's sort of foreshadowing the conclusion of the

whole trilogy are these are any of these things fun you know in my in 195 is That's where Marty has to go back to the Wild West to save Doc Brown's life. He, um, younger Doc Brown in 195 dresses him up in what he thinks is, um, Wild West clothes, but it's like, you know, campy, um, Western movie clothes. And on the clothes, he has the symbols embroidered of the atomic blasts. Oh. Yeah. So you can sort of see that.

Or atomic energy anyway. So it's just little, little things like that. of that. Cool. They seem to enjoy little fun things like that. I found this one. There's just a couple more here. The first thing you see when they go back to 195 of the first time is a scarecrow.

And some people have a theory that it's a little reference to the Wizard of Oz. Because when they travel into a different reality in Wizard of Oz, the first thing that Dorothy meets is a scarecrow. It feels like maybe a long bow. Oh, okay. Yeah. Long bow. And also, you guys familiar with Sherman and Mr. Peabody?

from a little cartoon time traveling. Yeah, so the farmer and his son are in the movie a name Mr. Peabody and Sherman. Wow. They don't actually even say it. That's just in the credits there listed as that. That's a real super nerdy kind of reference. That's cool. And then the last one, which is kind of my, I find it fun.

It's so dumb, but it's really fun. It's when Marty's playing, he has to fill in to play some music at his parents' high school ball, the undersea enchantment ball or whatever it's called and he plays the song he's like he's an old one or something like that or it's old where I come from at least and he plays the Chuck Berry song and he rocks out and the guy he's replaced on stage

because he's heard his hand is a guy called Marvin Berry and he makes a phone call he goes Hey Chuck it's your cousin Marvin you know that new sound you've been searching for listen to this and he throws the phone over it

and yeah it's so dumb but yeah, that's a pretty fun thing. Marvin Barry. Chuck Berry stole it. Yeah, that's what they're suggesting. From Michael J. Fox. Who would, weren't the song from... And they probably had to pay a lot of money to Chuck Berry's state.

Yeah, true. Royalties to his... Wow. Anyway, so, yeah, but I mean, I don't think I would have told you anything with a genuine back-to-the-future nerd doesn't already know, but... Because it's just one of those... Trilogies. I think a lot of them do, but it's built for nerds. It's just jam-packed with little

Easter eggs. I like that, though. It's cool. And I just thought, how can I, how can I go through all this interesting stuff, but suck any interest out of it? I think it would have been... And you did it again. I think it would have been much more of a success if it had been called Spaceman from Pluto. Yeah. And I'm sticking by the Schoenberg. Yeah, I think Sean Berg, if he's on Twitter, we got to, we got to tweet him... Sydney. Spaceman from Pluto, we're on board. Yeah.

We back you 100%. Well, maybe we could call the episode that. Yes. No, we would get zero down listening because no one would get the joke, except for super knows that already know the stuff. Or they listen to it and they go, oh. But like, who would? Yeah, okay, no, don't do that.

Hey, you know that it's sweet that you think people are going to listen to this. I guess that's why we're doing it? Yeah, that's not. Yeah. That was just a reason to hang out. Well, if you did listen to this, you can now find us on Twitter at DoGoOnPod. It looks like do goon pod. You can also email us if you'd like us to talk about your favorite thing or something you want to know about,

which is do go on pod or one word at gmail.com. Drop us a line, drop us a tweet, let Matt know that you enjoyed his backing to the future. But that you enjoyed our impression of Sydney, Scheinberg. Shainberg. And tweet Scheinberg. Yeah, cool. Let's wrap this bad boy up, Davo. Well, thank you very much, Matt, for going on.

Like I say, you can contact us via the tweets and the internet. Jess, you're going to be back with your report next episode. Yeah. It's going to be a good one. The life and times of Sydney Schoenberg. Sydney Schaimberg. We're going to really learn a lot about him. Cool.

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