Two In The Think Tank - 11 - The Back to the Future trilogy

Episode Date: January 5, 2016

The Back to the Future trilogy had it all: Time travel. Manure. Flying cars. Incest. Hover Boards... So why weren't the major studios interested? Who turned down the roles of Marty McFly and Doc Brown? And what key changes did executive Sidney Sheinberg make? Listen in to hear Matt bumble his way through the answers to these questions and a whole lot more! Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I'm here with Mr. Matt Stewart. I dive how are you going? I am going well. Thank you Matt. Welcome to the program. Thank you Hay. I'd really like to welcome to the program. Oh, someone else.

Someone else. Oh, we've got a third person. The table so long I can't say you her down the program. Oh, someone else. Someone else here. Oh, we've got a third person. This table's so long I can't see her down the other end. Who was it, Matt? Well, you knew it was a her, which is something. What? And, okay, look.

Oh, forgot, say. Hey Jess, how's it going? Jess Perkins. Hi, it's Jess Perkins, everyone. Hi, Matt and Dave. What a surprise considering that we do this every week with the same exact three people. I know, we're gonna say, we're like,

I'm here every week. But, oh, look at here, look at here. How are you feeling this week? Fine. Are you okay? That is not true. You are very hungover for the second day. Yes.

It's a day two hangover, which is. It's not good. I feel okay now. It's just my stomach's a little bit like. Oh. Is it, would you say it's the worst hangover you've ever had? I think so. Wow, really?

Yeah, I couldn't get out of bed yesterday. I didn't get out of bed. Wow, that's great. I was throwing up every half hour. No, that's not great. That's great that you've only had hangovers this bad. Like, second day, you can get out of bed. That's pretty good.

How bad have you had it, Matt? I've had a multi-week hangover. Oh multi-week? Yeah, yeah. Like three weeks and no, no hang on, no Dave, let's not get crazy. Well that's a surprise. Two weeks. That's a very long time. Two weeks is crazy. I think that's more like alcohol poisoning rather than just hanging over. Oh okay, so wrong competition. I mean like it shouldn't stick around that long. No yeah, I definitely did something bad to myself. Oh boy.. So wrong competition. I mean, like it shouldn't stick around that long. No, yeah, I definitely did something bad to myself. Oh, I'm bullied. But I was also, I think the problem was that I wasn't, it was a night of drinking.

So I went, I was in England and I went to this bar and I said, bit jet lag, need a bit of energy. And I was able to say, can I get two vodka red bulls, please? And they said, double vodka red bulls are cheaper. I said, okay, make it four double. Oh, so they've doubled it. And then you've doubled it again. I don't know what the logic was. I'm like, this makes sense.

Cause it's cheaper. It'll be silly not to. So suddenly it's eight for the price of two. And then big, yeah. And that sort of started a bad thing where like every shout we did that four double vodka red balls. Every shout it double. Yeah we just drank it all night. So I think it was probably part alcohol poisoning and part caffeine. Absolutely. Oh, I don't think I've had a red ball since it's energy drinks.

They are the devil. I must say come on as a sponsor. Please, brought to you by Monster. What a delicious drop. I am willing to sell everything for money. I will exchange goods and services for cash. A little adult of the box I know, but that's how I roll. I'm doing the starting in your economy. On the show we'd like to talk about something or one of us prepares a report to sort of

engage the others in a bit of a lesson on something and Matt it is your turn. I'm glad you're not hung over because you're the one who's researched something. I'm glad you're not hung over because you're the one who's research something. I'm tip top. Tip top, fighting fit. Which, I'm a little bit tired from cramming some research last night. Anyway, most of it's already in my head because I'm a big fan of this thing. We normally start with a question, right? So my question to you, I haven't thought of it yet.

I'm just, I'm just patting here a little bit as I think. Okay, so what would you guys say? And I wear big fans of trip ditches here? Oh, yeah So trip ditch you haven't heard the first episode is where there's a piece of artwork over three panels that go together And I see this as a piece of artwork that goes over three panels. Okay, what is your? Crypt itch with your trip tips? One a key, one a key. Thank you. What would you guys say is the best movie trilogy of all time? Oh, trilogy. Okay, well, my favorite, one of my favorite movies ever is Terminator 2. Terminator 1 is also very good, but Terminator 3 sucks. And they're pushed through to like 4 and 5 now, haven't they? No, but if we're looking at 3, maybe Terminator 2 is good enough to make the other 2.

What about Lord of the Rings? Uh, yeah. Quite many if you like that sort of shit. I'm just thinking it's quite, it's very popular. That is pretty good. The God of the God. The God of the Rings. Godfather's pretty, it's quite, like, it's very popular. I'm about the god of... Trilogy is not a god of... Godfather's pretty, that's a good one, I like that.

No, people always talk about number three being... Yeah. It's what we haven't seen the third one. There was a bit of incest in that, which is also a theme in this trilogy. What? Oh, in the trilogy that you're thinking of? Yeah. Okay, incest trilogy.

Oh, is it like some sort of weird pornographic Trilogy no What are the Star Wars Star Wars does have some incest in it. Yeah, and double double trilogy, but that's not it man There's a lot of incest throughout it. Oh I mean, it's light incest bit of light incest what's a bit of light incess. It's a bit of light in system I'm sure I'm sure listeners would have already got it because it'll be in the tide Oh, yes, oh right. I thought you were just gonna say that also they're gonna be what I got

This is a famous trilogy Jurassic Park very very big time this year in 2015 is well very relevant What the incess part of the film now the film part? I feel like this is hard. Okay, just tell us. Back to the future. Oh, back to the future. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's a trilogy.

You know, I know in the first movie, Marty goes back and he's mum falls in love with him. Yeah. I, I don't think I've ever seen back to the future. Oh, fuck off. What? Fuck off and die. Fuck off and die. I feel think I've ever seen back to the future fuck off fuck off and die I feel like I can't remember any sort of details of Of the movies. Do you know when you see a movie when you're a kid and then yeah, I have seen that But I can't really don't like a lot of Disney films. I'm like that. I'm like yeah

I've definitely seen poker hunters, but I haven't seen it in the last 20 years Yeah, I really tell you much other than the main character's names. I have seen back to the future, but not for a long time. So I'm going to remember bits. That's great. Well, I've seen all three this week, so I have been working hard on the rest. But it's only that this podcast is just you recapping and reenacting the whole trilogy. Well, I was, I wasn't going to go through the story much at all. I was thinking you guys would all be familiar with it, but do you need any sort of recap on the story? Could

we have a quick recap? Just in case there are other listeners out there that have not seen it for a long time. 20 years. Yeah okay well um so Marty McFly. Great name. Michael J Fox. He sort of befriends this scientist guy. That happens before the movie. So they kind of mates this older mad scientist kind of character called Doc Brown. And he he's invented a time machine, right? I had a lecturer that looked exactly like him and it was hard not to think about. He's crazy here, but continuing. Played by Christopher Lloyd. Oh, my professor. Yeah, great.

Oh, that makes sense. Professor Christopher Lloyd. And somehow he reminded you of Christopher Lloyd. Makes sense. Yeah, it definitely checks out. It checks out. So they're testing out this time machine. They're a doc Brown gets his dog on sign to test it out sends him a minute in the future, which and that works and

Then a bit of animal cruelty there though. Yeah, he's well now the dogs all good Apparently the first time they screened it the preview things the audience like orderly gasped when they sent the dog And then they thought the dog was gonna die, but yeah, so that's interesting. That was your instinct as well. Yeah. Um, and then, well, it's, it's kind of like what we were talking about in a recent week about, uh, sending a man into space. Yeah. They sent dogs out first. Yeah, but, uh, the difference here is that, uh, that was real life and back to the

future is clearly a movie. So even if the dog died, you're like, well, he's probably fine. Yeah. In real life, Russia sent a dog into space and it died. So. Yeah, America sent humans in the space and they died. So, you know, I don't know what. Eventually, we all died.

Well, I mean, the humans made the choice. I think that's the difference. Anyway, like, we're not here. Are we here to talk about? No, no, no, no. I'm sorry that I brought it up. No, I think it's just always on the forefront of my mind Yeah, me too Be good be good to the animals be good to everyone just everyone be good to each other The animals the animals Be good animals

So he tested out the dog makes it through successfully Bigger animals. So he tested out the dog makes it through successfully. And then, so to power it, he's had to, Doc Brown said to source some uranium. And he's done so by... From Uranus? He's done so by getting in contact with some Libyan terrorists who think that he's going to make a bomb for them.

OK, right, so let's talk about the ethics of that. Yeah, I was pretty good. I don't remember that, bit. And then, so he's like, yeah, they're cool. They think I'm making a bomb, but by the time they figure it out, I'm gonna be in a different time or whatever. But he... The confidence is gonna be one minute in the future, baby.

So there... Always be one minute in the future baby. So there always be one minute The Libyans don't exist in a minute Good luck at you. We know bad guys. Yeah, I'll see you in 60 seconds No, I just that just means a dark quicker like for him. It's instantaneous anyway So anyway, so he's got the uranium and they have tested it and it's worked and then so he's like cool I'm gonna do it he's got Marty there to document it he's filming on the camcorder but then a combi van full of Libyan terrorists burst into the car park. I've been the vehicle to the Libyan stars.

And those guys out the sunroof just starts shooting at them. Sure. Is it still in America though? Not in Libya. It's in America, it's in California, it's all set. So the time machine is a delorean. Oh yes, absolutely. You know that.

The car. The car, because it's got the girl winged doors. That's why they chose it, because when he travels back, it was more believable that the farmers would think it was a spaceship, if it was just a normal car, I guess. I mean, even a modern car would still look pretty. Not my car. Not my seat. You take my two-the-farm off.

Two thousand fifty-five five. Two thousand six-holding Viva. Yeah. No, you're right. It's still probably only get five hundred bucks for a nine-hectare. That's probably quite good in the nine-hectare. Actually, we'll see, I mean, we'll figure that out. So, the car has to get up to 88 miles per hour for it to work as well for some reason. That's the speed of light. That's the speed of time travel. So when those guys went into space on our last episode, they've really broken that barrier

and they were going into the house in miles per hour. But there was other things that played. They also needed the technology that he'd created and then you clear power. So... So the Libyons have come in there, open up fire on Doc and Marty. Doc is killed. And there's a lot of spoiler alerts here, obviously, if you're going to watch a 1985 movie. I think it's much more entertaining to hear you tell us about that.

Yeah, I can bring the drama and the comedy. Oh, it's amazing. And so Marty sees Doc die and they come from they take a shot at Marty, but the gun jams. Classic. Classic libyans. A bit racist. And then what do you know a lot of their planes in Libby and airline are banned at most airports around the world because a lot of them don't have lights. The planes go to plastic Libby and just fly during the day. Flying during the day guys, it's fine. Like if you're in the desert where most of Libby is. So there's a lot of sunshine most of the time. It's fine. Fine. I'm going to put it in there. Putty rules at Air Force. I thought these rules were in the Air Force.

Kill joys. Was Libya where Bart Simpson, you know, in the school UN roundtable that they did a little reenactment of in an early Simpson's episode? And Bart was representing Libya. And he was like shuffling his blank sheets of paper saying the key export from Libya is maze. Is that a real memory? My motto made that up. Totally think yeah it's at the Lord of the Fly's episode. Yeah, good event. And then the model you in and Martin Princess doing the

doodoo doodoo like that's the song of the you in and like Martin has doing the Doodoo do do do like that's the song of the UN and like Martin stop the time Yeah, I think it is all the same isn't it? That's that episode we should try and reference the Simpsons episode. I'm sure we do anyway Nazis and the Simpsons well, okay, well back to so the future so Marty Escapes luckily from that Libyan gunshot because of Jams. He jumps into the DeLorean to try and get away. The date that Doc had put in as an example was October 1955. So that's on the dash there. Mighty gets in trying to drive away.

The Comby Vans follow him around the car park. He gets up a bit of speed, it's 88 miles an hour. In the car park. In the car park. And yeah, go lands in a farm in 1955. And Doc's fine. And Doc's dead. Doc's still dead. But in 1955 Doc is alive.

So look, am I gonna go through the holster line? That feels, so that's the set up. That's how they get back into the past. That goes long. Marty finds Doc, they're trying to figure out how way to... Because they can't access the nuclear power back then. They need to figure out another way of doing it. They figure out that the clock tower is going to be struck

by lighting and that's going to give him the power. So they know that's happening later in the week. A lot of scientists were consulted for this movie, I imagine. Marty. Yeah, totally. Apparently some, um, I read one science guy said it, it stacks up pretty well, a lot of it. Really? Yeah, which is surprising to me as well. Um, because something they don't worry about much is that everything Marty does would change things in the future. Yeah. And only it, like, only, so one of the main plot point of the first movie is that Marty saved his dad

from being hit by a car and gets hit by the car himself. And that is what led to Marty's parents meeting and falling in love. When his dad got hit by the car, that was his mom's dad. And he brought George McFly Marty's dad into his house where he met Lorraine, his mom. And they fell in love there. And he was born from that. But instead Marty was taken in and his mom fell in love with Marty. Oh, dear, there's the insist we were talking about. So a lot of the first film is spent with Marty trying to get Lorraine, his mum to fall in love with his dad rather than with him. Oh, very good.

And she knows him as a Calvin Klein because that's the underwear he's wearing. There's heaps of product placement, so much product placement. Wow. Pepsi's throughout the movie. Toyota ad is the first thing you hear at the start of the movie. There's an ad. Of the radio. Yeah. That's great.

Yeah, his alarm clock goes off. And good morning, Toyota. What a great car. There's kind of fun things like, so there was an ad for, I think it was Statler or something like that. And then in the third film in their Wild West, there's a billboard for statler horses. Just a reference saying that that family business went on from horse and cars to toyotas in the future. Little fun things like that, like everywhere as well, I found. But, so I don't know, this is fucking tedious so far.

That was fun, I'm enjoying the reek. So yeah, that's kind of, I guess that's the basis for the movie. The other big part of it, I guess, is the bad guy through the whole series, is a guy called Biff, or his, in the second movie, his, it's Biff and his grandson, Griff. Griff Tanner, and in the third one, I think it's Biff and his grandson Griff. Griff Tanner and in the third one it's his I think it's his great maybe his great great grandfather or his no so it'll be Biff's one of Biff's ancestors was so Biff doesn't tell me very Libbyan named to me so he's not one of the Libbyans so the Libbyans only play that very small part so what's Biff's Biff?

Biff Biff just a Biff's just a bully. He's been a bully. He was a bully to Marty's dad in high school, in 1955. Griff in the second one was a bully to Marty's son, Marty Junior. Oh my goodness. And in the third one, Mad Dog Tanner, who was Griff's great, great, whatever.

He was a bully too. Marty's great, great, grandfather, shamest McFly and Irish, Irish immigrant, who was the first McFly to land in America, played by Michael J. Fox with a fairly convincing Irish accent. I've got like four days left of unemployment and I've already committed to watching the Rocky movies because I haven't seen Rocky. There's like six of them. I know, I'm gonna watch like one. Yeah, the first one's meant to be the best one.

Yeah, that's what I've been told and now I'm gonna watch back to the future. Yeah, it's so much fun. It's a really fun trilogy or I can. Well, enough about the plot. I think majority of people... Yeah, that's what I think it just might be. I think it might be the odd ones out and not now. I was really expecting you guys to be all over it, but...

Sorry mate. That's all right. You weren't born when it came out, so fair enough. No, we weren't. Well, how hardly was either. The... No No you were though. What was the first one? You were very much alive. It definitely were alive. It's at nineteen and nine. You already had a beer. Ninety-five and the second one was released in eighty-nine and the third one in nine and ninety. So there was never intended to be a sequel.

The end of the first movie doc comes back from the future and the Delorean's now a flying car which obviously wasn't through the rest of the movie and that was just meant to be a little joke at the end of the movie like, hey look at the future flying car. But that ended up, it became a huge success the first movie so they there was pressured it, there was gonna be a sequel. The studio were going to make a sequel and they're like to the creators are like, without you were doing it. So they're like, well, we're going to we're getting on board, but we're not going to let

someone else fuck it out legacy. So who are the creators of the writers? Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale, they're the creators. And it was the whole idea came about when Bob Gale saw his father's high school yearbook when he was visiting his parents and he wondered to himself whether or not he would have been friends with his dad if they were at high school at the same time. Because his dad was like, I think it was like a president of the student body or something. I'm like, yeah. And he's like, in my year, I had nothing to do with the president of the student body. I wonder if I even would have known him, you know? So he found that idea really interesting.

And he took it to Zamaqas and then they started developing it. And yeah, well maybe we'll talk a bit about that, how the movie came about. So, yeah, did you start as a film, their screenwriters are there? Yeah, their screenwriters, they'd written a few movies together, and they had a bit of a relationship with Steven Spielberg as well. They'd done two movies with Spielberg, but both of them had flopped. So, they were a bit wary, supposedly they were a bit wary about doing another one with him. And that was starting to think that it was looking like they were only getting

gigs because of their relationship with Spielberg. Yeah right. And what they're thinking of that stage, well I don't think Spielberg's going to come back from this. Yeah. No I think they knew he was okay. That's the last you'll hear of that Spielberg character. Yeah I'd love it if they thought he was the problem. We've got a somewhere to spill there. Yeah, he's really I think he he was already he already had a pretty strong Career going but they hadn't So yeah, they were they were just worried that they were seen as been like the bad luck guys not bad luck necessarily Just like I wasn't for their mate Spielberg, they would never have any movies made, you know.

Yeah. So, writing his co-tales. That's what they felt like, that's what it would look like. And so, they went without Spielberg and pitched it to a few studios. Columbia picked up in a development deal, so they paid them to write a script and then the next year in 81 they brought the script to them and Columbia weren't particularly interested in it they shelved it which has mean something else in other worlds but just amusing myself and they actually said it's a very nice film but it's not at that stage

teen movies were pretty like sexual and crazy. They're like maybe it's a nice Disney movie, maybe take it to Disney they said so they took it to Disney and Disney said that the whole mother falling in love with her son thing was not really appropriate for the Disney family market they thought. You sort of need something in between Colombia and Disney. Yeah. You're not Disney enough right? I think Colombia at the time was just making hardcore porn or something. And we'll see Fox's mom went on interest.

We really enjoyed this interaction between the mother and her son. We feel like that should be the movie. If we could explore that more. I just don't understand all this stuff with the Libby hints of the stuff. Yeah, there's terrorism. There's, like, it's a pretty crazy movie, but it is still like super family friendly. I watched as a kid and I didn't pick up any of that stuff. So it starts with terrorists executing an old man.

Yeah. And then it's like, yeah. And the problem that just... It's a little too Disney for me. No, the problem Disney had was, yeah, the one where he falls in love with his mother, that's the problem that I see. Yeah, yeah.

Not a bit where the old man can shot person. They'll be in terrorists. Yeah, that one where he falls in love with his mother, that's the problem that I see. Yeah, yeah. Not a bit where the old man can shot person, there'd be a terrorist. Yeah, that's true. That's fine, you know worries. Well, that's definitely part of the Disney values. And in the mean times, a Mac is directed a film called Remancing the Stone, which was a bit of a hit, which gave him a little bit of a little bit of currency. Sweet coin. Yeah, a bit of of a little bit of currency. Sweet coin.

Yeah, a bit of coin, a bit of also just a bit, helped his reputation a bit. Outside of his relationship with Spielberg, he showed that he could do it without him, sort of thing. So at that stage, they approached Spielberg and said, you wanna get on board. And with Spielberg, they found some interest from Universal studios.

Yeah, straight Spielberg co-tales here again. But also there's a mechus from Antsing the Stone. Success. But the thing is it was someone from Columbia who had moved over and was now running Universal. So they already liked the script when they were over at Columbia but they didn't have the final say. So when they were over at Universal they were they already liked the script when they were over at Columbia But they didn't have the the final say so when they're over at universe like hey, I can't believe I'm gonna get a crack at this But Columbia's still owned the script. Oh

Arkus a patron to be developed. Yeah, so they owned it They and it's that must be so frustrating when someone's like, oh no, I've got these guys. I want to make it But these guys own it and they don't want anyone else to have it, but they don't want to make it. We don't want to make it, but we don't want them to make it. Yeah, whatever it's a hit. Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's like, if I can't have it, no one can, or whatever. That's exactly what it is, yeah.

It is kind of like that, yeah. So even though they can have it, they do have it. So it falls down a little bit anyway. So in these kind of situations, do they just have to start offering lots and lots of money to buy? Yeah, that would be one way of joining in this case. They went back to the future of all Columbia. Back to the past, but yeah.

Back to the past, where they hired some Libyan terrorists to blow up the Colombian headquarters. Oh, it all makes sense now. Before they were even born. Buh. And they all fell in love with their moms, which just how we ended up in this bizzaro future that we're in now.

We're all listening to this program. So at the same time, that Universal was showing some interest, Columbia were trying to make a film called Big Trouble, but Columbia's lawyers said that... Is it a life... And life-sized adaptation of the board game Trouble? Big Trouble. Pretty good, worth interrupting you.

Continue, Matt. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. So, yes, it was. In Colombia's making trouble. So they were making this film called Big Trouble. They'd green-lit it. It was good to go. They were ready to film, but their lawyers like, only problem is, it is, the script is so

similar to another movie called Double Indemnity, which they didn't have the rights to, an older movie. So Columbia Pictures traded the ownership of Back to the Future, and Universal gave Columbia the rights to... Like a trot, like a actual... Like a Pokemon card. to like a like a like a truffle actually swap like doing like I'm playing like Pokemon cards Pokemon all monopoly like you give me Park Lane I'll give you all three of these green ones. Yeah, we'll both have a set each Trouble if you will that's totally how it was but it was at that stage both were like we want this thing you've got

Let's just swap and it was like a perfect. That's amazing. With hindsight, it's a horrible trade from Columbia. You don't even know what a big trouble is. And this is the thing I found really fascinating was Universe only had the right to double indemnity because they just bought a big chunk of movies from Paramount from the pre-1948. It was a 1944 film. They just bought this

huge heap of films mainly to use to sell to TV channels. Just like midday movies and stuff. So just one little like it wasn't this prize possession they had. They just had like 200 scripts. Yeah well they went to a garage sell for movies and said we'll take whatever you got. And one of them was this thing that ended up landing them back to the future. Oh my god. That's fascinating You'd never get that these days would you just like a just swap yeah? It feels like that. Yeah, that would be unlikely probably because of things like Yeah, probably yeah, why don't make in the Big trouble maybe there's right. Yeah, surely there's some sort of alternative reality

We're no one's heard of back to the future, but big trouble for is coming out as cinema's this summer. And we're so excited. Everyone's like, yes, they trouble my big trouble. Even bigger trouble. I've looked like it had a great time. And it was... I think it got released in the end, but yeah, there's no Wikipedia page talk.

It's very small for it, but it's got the cast is pretty, pretty great. Who's in Big Double? John Casavetti's last film that he directed. Peter Falk's in it, Alan Arkin. So it's like it's a- Peter Falk from Columbus. Columbus, yeah. I like Alan Arkin.

Yeah, so it was like, and it was, yeah, they obviously Columbia thought it was gonna be big, but it just didn't quite happen for them. Anyway, moving along, there was an executive at Universal who started making suggestions to this script that they just bought. He saw ways of improving it. So, and some of these things came off. His name

was Sydney Sharnberg. That is such a sweet producer. Yeah. Sydney Sharnberg. He's going to be a star, kid. Yeah. It's me. Sydney. Or to you, Mr Sharnberg. I'll make your star, Mr. Chamber. I think you're star, see? Come on man, have a go, it's fun. Hey, hey, Granya, I'm Sydney.

Nah, that's pretty good. Pretty good. That's probably more accurate to be honest. Hey, I'm Sydney Sean Berg, nice to meet you. That's probably more accurate what he's saying. I like it, it was not the 40s It's gone might have been you go right to the top kid So he's Sydney

Oh, I know Sydney. What do you keep saying? What about you for 20 years you brought us into this office for some just suggestions to the script What do you want to oh get their kid on the chamber I'm sitting chamber your name's right there on the desk on the desk you want the best matter I waiting Sydney I know so okay these are so did you make these are his suggestions these ones these ones um a bunch of them we use so here he suggested they change Marty's mother's name from Meg to Lorraine which happened oh and I, I think, well... I love Keesh, you see kid, I'm eating Keesh every day. Lorraine! It's big! It's bigger than 80s! No! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- You're reading the man! Kees, everyone was talking about Kees Lorraine! Lorraine! My God, I've done it again!

I'm Sydney! Sydney Schaumberer! Shitebeck, you've done it again! Sydney's pretty close. Alright, what else has he said? I think you're pretty close to the kind of guy was, because they are the kind of... I don't know about the voice and stuff, but they're the kind of... The reason he was Lorraine was, because it was his wife's name or something like that. I was just a totally vain reason.

He also suggested changing Professor Brown to Doc Brown, which they did. Nobody trusted Professor. You know who you trust? You're nocturn. You should be a nocturn. I've never had a glove professional put his finger in my ass. I've had many a nocturn. See you when I'm talking about kid.

I'm sitting here. I'm not going to be a nocturn. I'm not going to be a nocturn. I'm not going to be a nocturn. I'm not going to be a nocturn. I'm not going to be a nocturn. I'm not going to be a nocturn. I've never had a glove professional put his finger in my ass. I've had many of them. See you when I'm talking about kid. I'm Sydney. Doctor Sydney Schaimberg. Okay.

Your new character, Sydney Shardberg. Sydney Shardberg. Just about the funniest thing I've ever heard about. Dr. Schaimberg still alive. I think he might be. Oh my god. Yeah, where are we supposed to get him on? Just about the funniest thing I've ever heard about. Drunken Shambhakes to the line. I think he might be. Oh my god.

Yeah, why are we supposed to get him on? Fish Lorraine. Fish Lorraine. We offer him a fish Lorraine. Get him on. We have been tweeting to Buzz. Buzz like, Buzz like, Buzz all the way. He's an Ultron since the last episode.

He's still kicking his 80 years old. Sydney Shambhakes. Sydney. Sydney Shambhakes. He yeah, so other suggestions he may? Oh, yes. Oh, I got this one. Yes. Initially Doc Brown's pet was a chimpanzee and he said he said I've done the research. There has never been a hit movie with a chimpanzee in it. Name me one! Name me one famous chim! One famous chim! You can't! You can't! I'm trying! But you could name five famous dogs!

And then he... If I'm right here looks at my dog! My little dog Einstein! Why do you just call it dog Einstein, huh? Shut up, you're done with the game! Losing back to this is just gonna be a little mega. But the... Hey, shut up, you're just around with acting.

Matt, we're not interested in actual facts on this. No, I'm go but the I'm just like I did just like I've got a thing to say like the the dullest way to do a podcast listen to me for a second when something boring but yeah so here's something boring someone replied to him I said when he said I've no there's no I've my research, there's never been a hit movie with a chimpanzee and someone said what about 100 of the apes? What someone said, what about any which way but loose or something like that and he's like orangutan. Oh, I want to take me, Cality.

Nice. I said chip, chip. There's no movie with a chip. You want to make it a gorilla that will talk King Kong big fan big fan Secretary the Jessica is a King Kong still coming in for lunch because I could really go key story right now It's it's me. It's the Shibabrick by the way! Sidney Shabrick, your boss! Sidney! Ugh, fuck me, that's so great! So, that's not all, I'm not quite done with Sean, bro.

He is his final, probably his most famous suggestion was one that didn't come off. He'd also done some research and found that no hit film had ever had future in the title. So he said, we can't, we gotta change the name. And he suggested they change it to Space Man from Pluto. Back to the future I don't like it I don't like it. You know what else they love? You know what else they love? Space Man. Here's what I'm thinking. We put it together. space-up a little. Shabrick, you've done it again.

Shine dogs, my new hero. Zamekis was like, I don't like that name very much. And so he got, he contacted Spillberg. Spillberg, he's like, you're the only one that Shineberg respects. Yeah, pretty much, he's like, yeah, the Bergs. He's like, she's in a very similar. Does that mean a couple, anyway? Is that a conspiracy or wonder?

Same person. You never see us in the same room. Do you think, yeah, it's Steven Spielberg doing a character. Yeah, imagine. It's me, Cindy Shionberg. It's why he keeps saying it's an answer, Ram. What? Is that you Steven? I gotta go! No, it's Sydney. It's like, it's like Mrs. Dafflin. I gotta put my face in some cream right now.

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including the GI Bill. Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. So, Zamekis got on a Spielberg and said, You can, you can, you can, you please do someone about this. So apparently Spielberg sent a memo over to Sean Bergen said something along the lines of, thanks so much for that. That is such a humorous memo. We really got a great laugh out of it, cheers. Just like playing it like we assume you're joking. Like Spaceman from Pluto.

Yeah. Very funny joke, you know. And apparently that embarrassed him into dropping the suggestive. He was like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But they took three out of four of his suggestions. So yeah, yeah. No, he, but they took three and four of his suggestions, so yeah, yeah, no He definitely they were definitely listening to actually no they didn't about the dog did they know they kept the dog No, no he they did change it to a dog from a chip Okay, yeah, of course not in the ringer tank, but chip another change that I don't think Sean Berg was involved and was initially the time machine wasn't going to be a car it was going to be like a stationary vault sort of thing made from refrigerator part it was basically going to be a refrigerator and that was going to be the time machine and and it was going to be powered by an atomic bomb. They had to go in 1955 that to go to a bomb test site but

that Spielberg was worried that kids would trap themselves in refrigerators apparently so that's why they changed into a car and the car was a lot more versatile as well because it could also be used as a car. Which is handy isn't it? Which is ten that every pretty handy. But what if you want a cool beverage? Oh that's a good point. You got to drive to your fridge.

That's doable. Still? I guess that is doable. Oh god that's so funny. Yeah so he's probably he's probably my favorite thing about the whole story that I found is the more so now, but the Sydney Seanberg, I didn't realize I was going to be so much juicing it, but um Big fan of the Seanberg. Seanberg, you did it again! You're a star, Seanberg?

That's a real swim swim. Yeah, that's a bit more of a mirror than what it is. Has he produced like a lot of hit films? Like, if we look, if we look up Shineberg. I will look up Shineberg. We know he's alive aged 80 or in these 80s, but like, I would love if he had produced some of the films, or if this is big, he's training moment. I mean, this has gotta be, surely this would be his big moment, right?

But I- Feather in the cap. Let's see, what's his career. He's been married to actress Lorraine Gary since 1956 so that's where the Lorraine came from. Lorraine, I like Keesh, I like that you went straight to Keesh and not like it could be somebody else's name. He's wife Keesh. Whenever I hear Lorraine I instantly think of... Thank Keesh. I love a Keesh Lorraine right about now. Fair enough. Oh Sean Berg is also known for discovering Steven Spielberg. Oh yeah because they're

the same person. Yeah that's right exactly. Oh so maybe Spielberg is a character of Sean Berg. Yeah I think that's it. Well that makes sense to me. Nobody was taking Sean Berg seriously so he invented this proje. Spielberg. What's his first name? Steven. Steven. Steven. You're gonna love him. He's Spielberg. What's his first name? Steven? Steven. Steven. He said, Steven. You're gonna love him. He's not me.

What? I gotta go for five minutes, but Steven's gonna come right back through that door. I think he was in Clude, so he helped work on Jaws, AT, Jurassic Park, so a lot of Spielbergs ones. I've heard of them. Yeah, I know of them. And Schindler's lists. OK. And back to the future.

He's back to the futures right down the list on Wiki. Do you want to talk about the cast? Or do you know much about the cast? No, no, to be honest, we've got Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, big fans. So obviously, you know, movies. Yeah, it's a good. Yeah, big fan. So obviously, you know, movies then usually it's rare that you just start with the first

choice and that's who it ends up being. So there were other other choices and it was always that thing of imaginables that role. Yeah, they would have sucked if it was, you know, totally. So I think I've read that I've read a bunch that my name McFly was their first choice But I've also read so he but he initially said he couldn't do it because of His TV commitments at family time family time and the producer family ties wouldn't release him to shoot it Until Sean Begotten there here. Yeah, apparently Ralph Macho was Off at the part Ralph Macho Ralph Macho the karate kid. Oh, yeah Wow Okay, I could have done wonders for his lady. He knocked it back. Oh, what a man

I'm not knocked it back with a karate chop chop that back he just chopped the script in half I know like man You really begin a typecast yourself if you keep demanding to do this in every meeting. Stop wearing your black belt to Hollywood. He just walks down the street for them. Yeah, his manager would just be so pissed off. Come on, we really need to do well in this meeting. No, not today, chop! Huh, huh!

When he does that... What's that classic movie did there? Wax on Wax Crain. Oh, yeah. He waxes you on and on wax on this is good wax on I'll go for this part Don't say wax off too much, but okay, so Fox knocked it back he had to knock it back so Fox knocked it back he had to knock it back so the the role was initially given to Eric Stoltz

Yeah, you're familiar with him at all you might know him by face He's been in films like pop fiction. Yeah, I know he's killing Zoe kicking a string. I'm playing pop fiction One of them one of them one of them do's Yeah Which dudes? Don't know. That's the John Travolta. Yeah, he plays John Travolta. And you think you're face off. I'm sorry, I'm thinking of face off here. That's right. Yeah, so he was given the role initially, but

and and they shot for four weeks. Oh, they did a whole month for this. Yeah, they did a whole month with him before. I've read different things about all of them say that the producers Spielberg and also director of some accus saw him as being Unsuitable for the role great

It brought great drama to it, but not the comedy So this sort of a comedy film Yeah, that's right. So okay, so Eric Eric Stolz played Lance Vincent Strogdela in Pulp Fiction. Oh, he's awesome. The guy that won answer the phone eating the cereal. Yeah, that's right. I think that's right. Yeah, I'm gonna send him a moving one.

And he's got a, he's one that injects. That's a trilogy in one. Pardon? No, he's the one that gives the... You'll enjoy it and look out that, he's the one that gives the... You'll enjoy it and look out that. That's the worst thing. I'm sure the truth is.

Yeah, that's what Dave just died. He was eyes glazed. I know, because I said... What was that movie? It was three stories in one. Pop fiction was... Yeah. I said it was a trilogy in one and you just like looked at me.

No, because I was thinking... I had a stroke. No, I was imagining the character of Lance. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that as we're recording a podcast. You're silently imagining something, you jerk. Just thinking about... Oomathurman being...

Oh, he's checking it again, look at him. He's checking it in the heart. Anyway, I love you, Oomathurman. I love you, Oomathurman. I thought you were going to die in there, maybe. You looked into the middle distance Anyway, I love you, Emma. I love you, Emma. I thought you were gonna die in that movie. You looked into the middle distance there, which is hard in such a small room. I was lost.

I was lost. So yeah, he's shot for four weeks. Apparently there's a couple of like small glimpses of him in the final card as well. And I read a bunch of different accounts. I've a one of them was talking about how they'd made the decision, but hadn't told him and kept shooting for a while.

And just didn't, they were like, and they were like, sorry mate. There hasn't been filming this camera for three weeks. No, they were filming. It was like, are we going to get the reverse angle? Like, I don't know. We'll get that one later. We'll get that one later sort of thing.

And then I'll get all the shots of Doc. Why do you keep filming the back of my head? Don't worry about it, Eric. Don't worry. Brodo. Oh, that's harsh. I've also read some things saying that he agrees that he wasn't suitable for the role after filming, that he found the direction a bit confusing.

So I don't know. But yeah, my instinct says that it was more them than him. That's a little bit of pressure once they do bring on Michael J. Fox. They're like, well, we've already filmed for a month with this other guy, but he wasn't right. So you better like, yeah, we're pretty prepared to fire people. Yeah, but also like a little bit, but I also think they were like, they always kind of wanted Michael J. Fox. And I reckon part, it feels like it's a bit of a coincidence that he became available. So it's like, I wonder if he still wasn't available

if they would have fired him anyway. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But the decision cost them three million bucks, losing those that four weeks or four weeks. And the budget at that stage was only meant to be 14 million. So it was a huge chunk of the budget. Quarter of your money is just gone on Eric Stoltz.

Oh. Yeah, and all the, I mean, yeah. I was in, he's not being packed for me yet. Yeah, but on that decision. So Fox jumped on board, making a deal with his producer, family ties, that he would still, if there was ever a conflict, family ties wins. So he kept filming family ties Monday to Friday during the day and then filming back to the future at night

Till about 2.30 in the morning Around five hours sleep getting up and doing it again So all the night time shoots were in internal set shoots and then weekends he would do the external exterior So just hectic and there was a quote somewhere that said he He goes always dreamed of working in the movie and television industries I just never thought it would be at the exact same time. Oh wow He's a witty guy. I feel like it's probably much funny when he said Sorry, Matt. He doesn't have to buy them as like a halt for applause.

Let's halt for applause. I did the Eric Stolt's rating of applause. Let's replace you with Michael J. Let's do it. I've you do that one. I was dreamed of being in the television and film industry. I just never thought it would be at the same time. Am I right? I'm Michael J. Fox.

Thank you. Do all your characters just say who they are? Yeah. Just to reinforce it. He's an audio medium. And I only have one voice. I've got two voices. The other one's Toyberg.

Okay. I'm Sydney. I like Michael J. This Eric starts. I don't get him. I don't get him. There was some collateral damage from the salt sacking his

The money McFry's girlfriend in the movie was to be played at that stage by Malora Harden But she was seen as being too tall. Yes, that name is funny. Jess is laughing. It is my name. Malora Harden It is my little or a hard on She was too tall for Michael J. She was too Michael J. Fox is about five four and he's tiny and so she was seen as being too tall to be his girlfriend So she was tall girls never-dead shop girl she was recast Her part was recast imagine if she was recast as Eric Stolt by Claudia Wells She was recast as Eric Stoltz by Claudia Wells Who then? I'm only five seven I'm four four eight. I

Can wear heels guys. I can wear heels So who's got beautiful eyelashes? Watch him go So Claudia Wells played Jennifer in the first movie but wasn't able to play her in the sequel so she was recast because she had personal reason. I think it sounds like her mum was a bit crook so Elizabeth Schoo came in to play that role in the second. Same character, just a new girlfriend. No, exact same character. They've been re-filmed one of the scenes.

So the end of the first movie is the same scene as the first of the second movie. They just re-shot it. Shot for shot, just with a new actress. Oh. Yeah. Which I'll never notice as a kid either, but yeah. So that, so yeah, that was because of Stoltz missing out at meant that, but she's still a working actress.

She's on some big time TV shows that I've never heard of in America. To this very day. OK, go ahead. The hard on is still hard. Yeah, she's still doing really well. Then other cast members, so you got Christopher Lloyd was cast as Doc Brown and that was after John Lysgo was unavailable.

He'd be good. He would have been good. Also apparently... Was he old enough yet though? To look crazy. The problem with it, I mean the problem or the tricky thing about it is that the Doc Brown character is multiple ages. He has to play a 30-year gap in age. If you're young, you're going to have to make yourself look older or vice versa. It wouldn't have necessarily mattered. You probably want to be somewhere in between.

I feel that the doctor always looks old though. He kind of does. I guess he's meant to be in his 30s and the first one in his 60s. That's sorry his 30s and 55 and his 60s and 85 I guess. Yeah, but yeah, he's obviously Pushing up the 30s and the first one. I don't think he'll maybe it's 40s and 70s. I'm not sure So yeah, I guess I would have that could have worked And also other people who were considered for the role include I'm blanking on his name, but he was like, everyone loves him. He was in Jurassic Park. He was in Portland, year recently. He was in, we'll see this. He's talking about, come on, life just finds a way. Yeah, maybe. Who's that?

Jeff Goldblum. Yep, that's him. So he was up for the part as well Yep, so Yeah, it ended up being Doc Brown Doc Brown. It also is quite tall. He's six foot one So in the movie they that do you trick photography? Christopher Lloyd is also Christopher Lloyd is how tall six one so pretty tall but compared to my Christopher Lloyd is. Oh, so Christopher Lloyd is, yeah. Is this how tall? Six, one.

So pretty tall, but compared to my, Michael J. Foxy is really tall. Oh, white, yeah. So that to use trick photography sort of things, like depth perception sort of stuff or and also dock brown hunched a lot. And that's why. So it could be in the same shot as Marty.

Just imagine. Keep hunching more, more, more. He's like in a ball on the floor. Yeah, please. Hunch. Yeah, like should have cast him in a ball on the floor. Yeah, please. Hunch. Yeah, like should have cast him in a wheelchair or something if I needed to. Maybe like a segue.

Now that makes you tolla. That doesn't work at all. Sorry. Michael J. on a segue. Yeah, I'm from Michael J. on a segue. We get a box or yes. I think this is why we should be in production. Apparently Christopher Lloyd took inspiration from Albert Einstein and the conductor Leopold Stakowski for the party played.

Oh right. Just his life. They're just his idols anyway. Which conductor? I've never heard of him. Leopold's de Kowski. Nice. Nice. Famous in the 80s. What do you reckon Leopold's de Kowski would sound like? I've got two voices. One is my own. The other is

DING BIRRIT! I'm kidding. I find another voice. I don't have one. Go low. you've gone high and you're good. Yeah, go really low. Hey, I'm a conductor. Hey, I'm a conductor. You've now got a trip to Trif voices. Yeah, that's right, I'm a triple threat of voices. One of them is my own.

It's not bad. Lorraine, the Marty's mom was played by Leah Thompson in part one two and three Her main role is in part one She So she's playing Marty's mom, but she's actually only three days older than Michael J. Fox three days But that's because again because in the non in 55 she was playing her own age basically It's like me playing my mom young even it, because you are two days older than I am.

I do have a joke about looking like a mum from an epicenter, but. I'm not. You look like that, Jack. That shirt and everything about you was very. I often wear this when I turn a Jack. Denim on white. Yeah.

Yeah. The white boat shoes. Yeah, did you? Did you? Yeah, did you? Yeah, did you? Mommy. Did you notice that yourself, what did someone once tell you that?

Somebody said I could play I like I don't think I look my age that I said I could be like 22 or 32 You know like you'd be like I actually looks like old for 22 or young for 32. Yes That is the weirdest logic to me that just means you look like your 20 spot Yeah, I didn't just like you find the middle ground there Yeah, I don't know look you're definitely not 25 or 26 you are either 115 or you're a toddler yeah Yeah, so I could play your mum based on that logic there you go and there like that Crispin Glover who played

Got it love the name. I love the name. It's such a sweet name. Have you seen his... He's got a pretty famous interview on an early Letterman and it's super awkward and a lot of fun. I still don't know if it's put on or not. But at one point, I think he goes to fake kick him or punch him or something.

Letterman's fake punch. No, Chris and he go, look, I can, hey, I can, I've got value. I can, look, I can kick. And he's like, he puts his foot up in his face and it's something like that. It's a vague memory. Very weird.

But yeah, so he plays George McFly in the first movie, but he's three years younger than Michael J. Fox. What? So it's interesting. But he's three years younger than Michael J. Fox. What? That's interesting. He, his role, like he had quite a big role in the first film, but in the second and third ones, his role was going to be reduced and his pay was going to be a lot less than a couple of the other stars.

So he held out for more money. He got a second offer, which was less than the first one. Oh, that is classic brutal. Sydney. That is, yeah. I'm, that's got Sydney all over it. Don't it. Okay, you want to wait? Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay, I'll tell you what I'll do. I spend your money at the track.

Now, I'm a millionaire. You're getting less. Every, every time we just peel back another layer of who this Sydney guy is. That was the gambling. I think the good gambler. Yeah. Maybe that's what, because there's a big, big part of the storyline is about Biff earning his fortune as a gambler with the first or second. No, no, no, no.

Biff was based on Sydney. No, no. Little part of him there. So yeah, so he was, he didn't accept it. So he wasn't in the second and third films. So he just, he held out so much. Yeah, he held out. The guy called Jeffrey Wiseman came in instead with prosthetics on his face to make him look more like Crispin Glover and some... Do you mean Crispin Glover mask? Also, yeah, basically, that's a modern Crispin Glover. They had a mold of his face from the first film because they had to

Age him in the first film so they were able to do it pretty accurately I didn't I never knew until recently that wasn't even him that but they they do tricks like in the future George McFly has done his back like in 2015. He's done his back So he's in this weird upside down thing. So it's a bit harder to tell so every scene you see him He's he's never just like face at the camera. It's always like back of his head side on upside down Right do you still think if you use a mask of someone do you have to pay? Well that because of this um Okay, so I'd just I'll just read this chunk off Of long line.

So Chris Minglava sued the filmmakers as he had not granted permission to use his likeness in part two. His suit named John Doe, one to one hundred as a defendant, so he did not have to name all the individuals he was suing. And this suit ended up being dropped because it was settled out of court when he got a payment, which was much higher than about three times what his offer was to be in the second of him, 765,000. So we got three quarters of a million to not be in the second?

Yeah, well they, I mean they basically used, they used him, but without using him, and they, they decided that would be cheaper than going to trial. But because of this case, the screen actors guilds subsequently introducing your rules about illicit use of actors. So now you can't do stuff like that. Oh, you can't just use someone's. I can't put on a Robert De Niro mask.

Yeah. And pretend to be Robert De Niro. No, without, like I imagine imagine you could do it if you were not gonna be out, but if you were being going pretty much going for it. You've heard my accent range. Yeah. I could make a pretty accurate.

I think you could do it. But they also use some footage of... I'm Robert De Niro. I'm Robert De Niro. I'm... I used to be in a lot of good films. Of course. I'm not saying anything.

It's just a nice point. Yeah, but I'm doing the voice, because it's an audio podcast. I used to be in a lot of good films and now I'm in a lot of shit old people movies. I'm Robert De Niro. Me, that's great. It's not great. Have you seen his acting choices? Yeah, maybe he doesn't need to be in those. Maybe he just wants to, maybe he's having fun.

He's just having a good time. Fuck you, Dave. Fuck you, Robert De Niro. What a waste of a talent. He's an other interesting point. Is that Robert De N other one. What a waste of a talent. He's another interesting point. Um, Dave. Is that Robert and the the other one? Cause that's what I'm thinking about. No, I'm fortunate as I was about, uh, Leigh Thompson who played the reign the month. Oh, yes, I see. She like Keesla Reim. So she's in, you know, you know, I said that my, uh, my

book is a Fox plays shameless before. Oh, yeah. He's, He's married to a woman named Maggie. Okay. Good. But Maggie is. Well, is this such a big pause? There was a pause that I couldn't find the name. Maggie. I thought you were. I thought it was like a big I was pausing for effect. I thought it was going to be was like a big I was pausing for effect. No, I thought it was gonna be like a really really really funny No, no, no nothing like Maggie and that and Maggie McFly is Marty's paternal great great grandmother But she is played by Leah Thompson who played his mom also so not on the same not on the right side of the family

So again, it's like it's got Michael J Fox not on the right side of the family. So again, it's like it's got Michael J. Fox in a relationship, basically, with the person who's playing his mom, which is different, but they said, because it makes no sense that she would have any resemblance because she's from a different side of her. Yeah, but they, Zamekah said that he imagines that McFly Man

are simply genetically predisposed to be attracted to women that look like her Okay, that's that's very undisney. That's very yeah, no wonder My I reckon my favorite actor in the movie is Thomas F. Wilson You know, he's the one who plays the bag of biff and griff and mad dog buford Tana he he He does stand up and he's a very funny song on YouTube where he talks about all the, he's still just bugged with questions about this movie and he's sick of it. So I just got this song where he sings all the answers. Like Michael J. Foxy, he's an ask guy. The hoverboards, yeah, we were on strings.

It's a much more tuneful than that, but... Hopefully. I like it. Yeah, we were on strings. Like, J-Fox, so... But he's got... I reckon his range is so good. He's like, the manure, everyone always asks if it was real manure, because he eats manure

in every movie. And he's like, no, it wasn't, it's a movie. Yeah, that didn't make me shit. But the characters, the Tanon characters were named after a universal executive Ned Tanon who was particularly um douchey to them in an early meeting for an earlier movie. So they're like yeah we're gonna name the bad guy from, I tried to me is like oh that's sweet, immortalize me, that'll show me. Yeah that's right. Thank you. um who else is in there oh James

Tolkien was mr. Strickland this is such a dumb book now i'm gonna read a list of actors uh he he played so he was the teacher you know one of them you're a slacker McFly and he was said this he was the same to George as he was tomorrow in the different eras but also his grandfather in the different eras, but also his grandfather, Marshall James Strickland, was also played by Tolkien in the third part, he was the sheriff in town. And he also talked about discipline, and he was teaching his son, he's like, see, you gotta show him discipline, kid,

and they're sort of showing that that's how it was possible. Oh, he's the whole film, one scene, and then call backs to the movie. Totally, it's the same same thing just in three different settings in every movie in every movie my show and works like make it the same yeah if it ain't broke don't fix it I like the first I like the first movie

make two more of that and two more westerns westerns are coming back making a western yeah apparently Michael J. Foxon said he's like I'd be really fun to be in a western and apparently in part that was the reason why they did that but also in every movie Marty wakes up thinking he's just had a bad dream about time travel and in every movie in different in the Wild West in Bizarre 1985 in 1955 in each of those movies at some his mum or the actress playing his mum Thompson saying oh

Marty, you know you're here and it's okay. You're still here in 1955 1955 and then that's how you realize you're still here in the Wild West They didn't call my mom's literally never working me up and told me the date. Yeah West. They didn't call it. My mom's literally never working me up and told me the date. Yeah. The Worry Marty. Good morning, Jess. It's 2015. 2015. I'm off to work. Bye. Yeah, I can't remember how she did it because in the Bizarre one it was the year that he was expecting. It was just like in this warped version of it. Don't worry, Marty. You're just in 1985 where your dad is now Biftenon for some reason.

She's wearing the whole plot. Yeah, yeah. And I have fake breasts because that's what he won anyway. What? Um, the, yeah, so that's enough about the character. They're pretty much all the main characters. There were like sweet camea's like, uh, Huey Lewis played the judge at the side of the first one where Marty was trawling at his band like Huey Lewis played the judge at the side of the first one where Marty was

trailing out his band and Huey Lewis goes you know Huey Lewis and Huey Lewis and the news who are still touring I look them up yesterday for some reason. Yeah right well they wrote the themes to the first movie power of love oh that's cool it was written for the movie. It was nominated for an Oscar. Wow. And yeah, Hughie Lewis played this sort of nerdy come over, Judge and he goes, stop, sorry, you're just too darn loud. And that's why, that's how even though they were playing a song he wrote. All right.

That's a bit of a nod and a wink, hey? Pretty funny. It was the first one in particular, massive success. It had ended up being about a $90 million budget, so I blew out a little bit from the early stage, but that was partially because of the sold thing. But it made around 390 million. Oh, yeah.

20 times. The whole trilogy cost about 100 million, so that the sequel's obviously cost a bit more, they put a bit more cash in it, but made up over 900 million so it was sweet profits. Venus. You're an Oscar fan, Dave, are you familiar with their performance of the Oscars? No, please. They were nominated for five over the trilogy.

Wow. Only winning one and that was for the first movie's editing. Sound effects editing. Sound effects editing. Yeah, which is a super specific. Thank you. Those people get about five seconds before they're

played off for their speech. Hello, I'd like to thank Giddle. No one cares who you are. There's happened in the ad breaks, so sure. Yeah, cool. So that's, that's most, I got a bunch of interesting facts, but probably told you, Phil,

more ready, do we have time for something? I think we should get some time to wrap up with some sweet facts about back. I love to finish up with some fun facts. I love to finish with fun facts to the future. Stop it. Oh, no, I get it. I really get a fun fact to the future.

I get it, okay. What was the only thing that was worth interrupting Matt for? Big trouble. Big trouble. Yes, that was great. That will be edited out. No, it's so good. No, no, no. No, no, no, no.

It was just his face. Like, how happy he looked with it that made it so great for me. Pretty good, everyone. You know, the best, I'm much more enjoy than not doing the report part of this podcast, which I think is good that it's two thirds of it is. Yeah, it's not two out of three times. We're here.

You have a good time. I feel like the ones that I do always feel shit and they all I really enjoy. I feel like I don't need to see them movie now, which is good. Yeah, I've just I've how can you take the fun out of a really fun thing? That's what we should call my episodes of the podcast. You know, the fun things they a really fun thing. That's what we should call my episodes of the podcast. You know, the fun thing, they Birkenwils. Yeah, Birkenwils and AFL, the creation of the AFL.

The creation of the AFL. This maybe is a super fun fact, but I found this kind of cool. They did a mediocre fun fact. They did a bunch of these kind of things. So Doc was kind of early on, and at the very start, George McFly was a loser. In the original 1985, George was a loser.

Marty went back. And when he came back to 1985, that was a success. He was a great author and stuff like that. And this is in part because of Marty, right? So Doc was a bit of a father figure to Marty, and he would encourage him to you know have a go basically he used to say if you put your mind to it you can accomplish anything to Marty Marty went back and said that to his dad when his

dad was young and then they came back to new 985 where his dad was a success and George McFly said to Marty hey hey, if you put your mind to it, you can achieve anything. So you can accomplish anything, which is kind of fun. I like those little things, but yeah, there just heaps that. And you're right about the scenes,

just repeating of the... It sounds like one scene. The dialogue and the scenes are just all like... One scene over three movies for six hours. Yeah. Did you... This one apparently is a pretty famous one, so you may already know it.

When he gets back into, when he first gets to 9 and 55, he runs over a pine tree in the Delorean. So he, where he left was the car park of Twin Pines Mall, and when he gets back to 9 and 85, it's called Lone Pine Mall. Ah. Yeah, that was kind of fun, right? That's funny. Yeah.

What'd it be better if Shineberg told us that fact about that? Shineberg. I that fact about this? Shineberg. I'm still here, guys. Fox played the guitar through the movie, but that was all momming. He was taught by a guy called Paul Hansen to believably simulate it. That's not a fun fact. She's just a fact.

The father of the band, Hansen. I feel like this is a fun fact. That would have been cool if it was true, And that is true, probably. How many Hansons can there be? Yeah, who are the odds? There's a full-enhanced Hanson's cousin. Elijah Woodmate is movie day boo and back to the future too. Is a kid playing a video game in cafe 80s? Oh cool. That cafe is in each timeline as well one timeline. It's a gym In one it's a cafe and then in the in the future It is a cafe, but there's some exercise box in there for some reason oh

The cafes of the future yeah, yeah find the two I got a gym. We had a cafe. I tell you what we do. We put a gym in a cafe. Hey, I'm gonna do that in real life Get a remture We had a cafe. I tell you what we do. We put a Jupiter cafe. Hey, I'm gonna do that in real life Shaiberg You guys know that the series was kind of continued in cartoon form for a couple of years Michael J. Voicing or no, they for the most part. It was different voice actors I'm trying to do every character Not all of them some like I think Biff was still voiced by the same guy but in the cartoon Doc Brown was voiced by a guy you might be familiar

with. Oh, you look here. Dan Castellanada. Ah ha from the old Simpsons. You can probably pronounce that more correctly. Castellanada. I'm fairly sure it's here. Yeah great. Yeah so that's Homer. That's cool. That would have been Simpsons was already just going then. Yes Simpsons is 1989. The early drafts. Early drafts of the sequel had them going back to the 60s where George McFly was going to be a college professor and his mom Lorraine was going to be a Keish. It was going to be a flower chart. Sean Begg's like, I tell you what you do.

I got it. I got the idea. What do you want? Maybe she's going to be a Keish. I'm just rippin' here. Just rippin'. Just a giant talking Keish. You know the whole fridge thing?

Yeah. Spielberg, he sort of poo-pooed it because he was worried about the kids. He ended up using it in the fourth Indiana Jones. Indiana Jones survives a bomb blast. Oh, inside the fridge. Inside the fridge. That's right.

That's where he got that inspiration from. Spielberg's not a fan of episode two. The one that comes to 2015 he says there's a quote saying he said episode two is that little dip in a trilogy that we all go through like Temple of Doom. Wow. Which I don't know about that. That's Indiana Jones. Yeah right great. The second one. Yeah, which is definitely not as good as the other. Oh right. The third. I reckon the second one I probably prefer the back

to the futures in the order they came out first, second and third. So getting not as good? Yeah that's a I- I progressively worse. But I like them all but I the first ones for my favorite. What else? Ah the shirt the dock wears through the majority of the second film has like this print on it which is a little cowboys riding horses and a train. So it's just like it's foreshadowing how the second of the third movie goes. Very good. So many interest. Which is fun.

So many. He's the end of the last one. He ends up turning a train into a time machine. So that's sort of foreshadowing the conclusion of the whole trilogy. Are any of these things fun? You know, In 1955, that's where Marty has to go back to the Wild West to save Doc Brown's life. He younger Doc Brown in 1955 dresses him up in what he

thinks is Wild West clothes, but it's like, you know, campy, what Western movie clothes? And it on no clothes, he has the symbols embroidered of the atomic blasts. Oh. Yeah, so you can sort of see that, or atomic energy anyway. So just little things like that, which is, they seem to enjoy little fun things like that.

I found this one, there's just a couple more here. The first thing you see when they go back to 95, the first time, is a scarecrow. And some people have a theory that it's a little reference to the Wizard of Oz, because when they travel into a different reality in Wizard of Oz, the first thing that Dorothy meets is a scarecrow. It feels like maybe a long bow, but... Oh, okay. Long bow. And also, you guys familiar with Sherman and Mr. P body from the car time traveling yeah so the the farmer and his son and in the movie a name Mr. P body in Sherman wow you don't that don't actually even say it that's just in the credits there with the real super nerdy kind of reference

that's cool and then the last, which is kind of my, I find it fun, it's so dumb, but it's really fun is when Marty's playing, he has to fill in to play some music at his parents, high school ball, the undersea enchantment ball where it was called, and he plays the song, he's like, here's an old one, or something like that, or it's old where I come from at least,

and he plays the Chuck Berry song, and he rocks out, and the guy he's replaced on stage because he's hurt his hand as a guy called Marvin Berry, and he makes a phone call, he goes, hey Chuck, it's your cousin Marvin! You know that new sound you've been searching for? Listen to this! And he throws the phone over it. So awesome! And yeah, that's so dumb but yeah

that's that's a pretty fun thing so Marvin Barry Chuck Barry stole it yeah that's what that's what they're suggesting from Michael J Fox who would weren't the song from yeah and they probably had to pay a lot of money to Chuck Barry's state or his yeah true. Rody to his, for his son. Wow. Anyway, so yeah, but I mean, I don't think I would have told you anything that a genuine back to the future nerd doesn't already know, but because it's just one of those chilligies.

I think a lot of them do, but it's built for nerds. It's just jam packed with little Easter eggs. I like that though, it's cool. And I just thought, how can I go through all this interesting stuff, but suck any interest out of it? I think it would have been... You did it again! I think it would have been much more of a success if it had been called Space Man from

Pluto. And I'm sticking by the Shonberg. Yeah, I think Shonberg. If he's on Twitter, we gotta... We gotta find... Oh, we gotta find... Sydney. Space Man from Pluto, we're on board. Yep, we back you 100%.

Well, maybe we could call the episode that. Yeah. No, we would get zero tantalists and just no one would get the joke except for super-nose that already know the stuff. Or that, or they listen to it and they get, oh, but like who would, yeah, okay, now don't do that. Hey, you know, that it's sweet that you think people are gonna listen to this. I guess that's, that's why we're doing it. Yeah, that's not. That was just a reason

to hang out. Well, if you did listen to this, you can now find us on Twitter at Do Go On Pod. Looks like Do Goon Pod. Do Goon. Yeah. You can also email us if you'd like us to talk about your favorite thing or something you want to know about, which is do go on pod or on word at gmail.com. Drop us a line, drop us a tweet, let Matt know that you enjoyed his backing to the future. But that you enjoyed our impression of Sydney Shindburg. Shindburg! And tweet Shindburg. Yeah cool, let's wrap this bad boy up, David. Well, thank you very much Matt for going on like I say you can contact us via the tweets and the internet Jess you're gonna be back with your report next episode. Yeah

It's gonna be a good one the life and times of Sydney Schaimberg. Sydney Schaimberg. We're gonna we're gonna really learn a lot about him Cool. Well, okay. Thank you so much everyone. Oh, lightest. Bye. Bye. I love Sidious. I love him so much. At Nordstrom, you can shop the best holiday gifts for everyone you love, all in one place. You'll find beauty favorites, cozy presents, fun ideas under 100 and more. Like festive dressing for you in your home, experience the magic at your favorite store, or order on Nordstrom.com with free shipping and returns. Need it faster? Pick up your order today in store.

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