Two In The Think Tank - 110 - The Burke & Hare Murders

Episode Date: November 29, 2017

It's Dave's turn to try his hand at a serial killer report. Burke and Hare are Scotland's most famous duo of murderers. They killed people staying at their boarding house and sold their bodies to local medical schools who were desperate for cadavers to dissect. WIll justice catch up with the duo? Or will they escape the hangman's noose? Tickets for Brisbane live show (December 2nd at Heya Bar): https://www.trybooking.com/SPMPWatch us all on Gamey Gamey Game: https://youtu.be/I9hS7jIJ6pg  Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Twitter: @DoGoOnPod Instagram: @DoGoOnPod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/ Email us: [e-mail]   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello David Warnakie. Hello David. Hello. Pleasure to be here associate. Hello associate. Business partner. As a product. As a whole.

As we've talked about it. We've talked about it on the part of how we've got business cards that have been made on how like a bank card that say do go on on them. Have we talked about in the pot how we, we've got business cards that have been made up and have, like a bank card that say, do you go on on them? Oh man. Look, we'd share a photo, but it would be terribly advising to do on one. Yeah, but that would not be smart, but they do exist.

I mean, they'd be able to steal all our money. Yeah, that's right. We created a bank account to put millions. And now we're just living off the interest. We don't even have to do the show anymore. No, and we're just doing it because we're nice people. Yeah, just like when we started, it's come full circle again.

Yeah, just because we love it. We just enjoy each other's company. We love each other and we love you, Delusna. Oh, that's great. It's true. We do. We love you all. I can't do this.

You know who I love especially though? I don't want to play favourites, but I'm gonna. The people that have already brought tickets to our Brisbane show this Saturday. Woo! So you're coming for a little while. I'm gonna get my biannual haircut done up there, Eric. Do you reckon? Yeah, I reckon.

It's where I last got my hair cut. Can I cut? Sure. Why do you trust the Brisbane barbed more than Melbourne or any other place? It was, I don't know, some of them out this place was good. They did, they made me hurt a little bit. They used a cut throat on my neck. Oh wow.

On my throat, I guess. And it was, it was red raw. And I loved it. I hated it. Yeah. But you know, it's, it's, I kind of felt like I deserved it. Okay. What's a weird, you got to dish then?

Get a bobber for punishment. Yeah, hurt me. I don't know, I was chasing a riff there. Fennel's nothing in it. Oh Matt, he's always chasing a riff. And why don't, this was one of the very few times you came with me. Hahaha.

Sorry, sorry about that. That's something I'm working on. That can be my new year's resolution. Calling it early. Follow Mad On More Riffs. Yeah, look where I got you. Look where I got you. It's an obscure one, but that's fine. I was getting a haircut last month and the guy goes, what do you want to explain it to me? To him, and he goes, what like you want? I explained it to him and he goes, well like this,

and he pointed it to his own head. And I was like, yeah, I guess, I guess. So that's now known as the Jordan at work. You gotta get the Jordan. It's Jordan, did a great job. That's so good. Anyway, come to Brisbane. Come to Brisbane.

It sure in Brisbane. You can see Matt's haircut. Will that be before the pot on the Saturday? Yeah, I reckon Nice keep it fresh. I reckon I'll do that for sure. Yeah, great guys go easy on Matt tell him it's it's good Even if you don't think it's good. Yeah, that's a bit risky, isn't it? That's very risky. Yeah, I'm always wear a hat Good point Now before we get into the show

I feel it would be remiss for us to not mention if you want to see... That's right, see more of us this week. You can watch all of us as guests on GAMY GAMY GAME. Yeah, what do we look like? Find out. We'll never know, except if you look at the logo. Which one has the beard? Me! I thought it was me. Who said that? Oh, you don't know!

Because you can't see us. But if you watch GAMY if you watch Game of Game you'll see us interact in person. We talk about Jess's favorite game of all time. Holy shit. Sims 4. The Sims in general, but yes. And we're very positive about it. I definitely don't think it's stupid. Don't bring this again. Anyway, so Game of Game of Game if you're not familiar, is a great show hosted by Evan Monroe Smith, one of our favorite friends on the Stupid Old Channel, which is a YouTube channel, so you look up Stupid Old Channel on YouTube, you'll find the show.

There's a bunch of old episodes up there as well, with people like Mr. Sunday movies and Adam Knox. And we've all been on it before. We've all been on separately, so there's a lot of cool stuff there, and check it out. Check, check, check it check it out check check check check check check it out also game a game a game on Facebook you can see there too oh I did a vocal fry are we on MPR all of a sudden all right I feel very smart all right shall we crack into this week's episode? Let's not get into it. Let's do it.

And now we almost start with the question, and I've done a report this week. Did you run a question? I wrote a question. You guys are crazy. Can you believe it? We love, we love to question. Yeah. This one was voted for by our Patreon supporters.

This was a Runners Up edition. Oh, I like this. So I've done seven Patreon votes. This was the runners-up edition. I like this. So I've done seven Patreon votes. This was the eighth one. Are any of them Australian Idol runners-up? No, none of them are Shannon Nol or any other runners-up. Then I don't care for this report at all. Yeah, disappointing.

I really would like to have heard one about Polo, Nottini. That's not quite. Why were my thinking of there? Paulini? Paulini. Who's in the bodyguard now? Yes. That's not quite. Why were my thinking of there? Pauline? Pauline. Who's in the bodyguard now? Yes.

The one that got in trouble for trying to bribe someone at the... at Vic Rose, the people that give out licenses. Really? Yeah, she got in big trouble for bribery. That's great. Very strange. No, but what I did was that... So I've had seven weeks and every topic that came second day

gave us second shot to Oh, that's fun and they all got at least some votes But there were a couple of front runners and one definite front runner because it won it was the front runner And to get us on topic my question is who is Scotland's most famous duo of killers Killers. Haylon pace. The sketch duo. They killed. They killed with comedy when I was a child.

Remember them being funny? One of them had a mustache, which is always good fun. If I had a mat is not correct, they're just. Has it a guess? I don't even have a joke answer. I can't think of anything Scottish right now. The Loch Ness Monster Gang. Yeah, which was a misleading name because there's only two of them. They're actually a duo. Yeah, but gang is really more of a state of mind. Don't you agree? Yeah, that's what the monsters always said. Sometimes I call us a gang. Yeah Gang of three. Yeah. I'm out of my change the question too. Who is the second most famous

Burke and someone? Burke and... I don't think I've heard of these people. No, me either. Have you heard of the killers Burke and hair? Hair. Is what I was gonna say. The Burke and hair murders. No, I have not. I've ever recalled this was suggested by Alexis White on Facebook who listens on the way to uni in England, so hopefully this will come up now. Now Dave, if I am to read a little something into what you just said, using my own detective skills, here we go, it's just as cracked the Birkenhaar murders. Birkenhaar murders.

Oh, I think I see where you're going with this. This is clearly a mystery episode. Am I right? They never solved the murders. Who did it? Is this a classic who done it? This is just trying to solve a crime by saying it's not solved even though it was solved already.

Did you get it? Is that a yes? It is. Not a mystery. No. But it is a murder episode. We love that's also up there in the listener's favorite type of show. That's right. Well, I've got to say, when I put out to the Patreon vote, a couple of people commented saying, well, the

one with the murder in the title is going to win. And I was like, that's not necessarily yet. Yes, it did. Yes, it did. I just a couple of votes. It was very, very close. Oh, what's it got to shout out to Kalem B.M. via email. You also suggested this topic. So thank you to Alexis and Kalem.

So you guys haven't heard of Birkenhead. This is cool. No, I haven't. Had you? Yes, because when you go to, you guys have both been to Edinburgh. I know this. Yes. If you do one of those, like, sort of ghost tours, which are...

Is that the one where you go to the pub and watch the ranges versus Celtics? That's right. Celtics, Celtics, Celtics. Fuck. No one's got a few of me in angry. Sorry. Yes, I did have a mild stroke there, though. Were you trying to go with the American mispronunciation

or because you're watching in Scotland, you think it becomes Celtic? Yes, but I don't think it does. It's still Celtic. Strangelo, they definitely have mispronounced that. It's Celtic. Anyway, so you can go on these murder mystery like Ghost Tours when they talk about Birkenhaar

because they are in Scotland, famous for their murderous. Oh famous for their murder. Good for them. Dave I also said to Glasgow region teams I really should have said hearts versus another Adam Brattain. I'm sorry Scottish listeners. You piece of shit. There's three or four people who are furious right now. Oh I assume you were just talking about NBA. Yeah why do you know all this? Having you guys been to Scotland? Yeah. It's a culture. You just say, you didn't say culture in? No, I went to the Edinburgh

Fringe Festival. I went to the Birkenhaar Murder Mystery Super Extrafic Cancer. No, you were so uncultured. Matt went to a pub. I want a cab with you. It would be fun. Yeah, I think the US tour is going to be very fun. Yes, this map's watching Scottish sports in TV, TV, TV. In TV. Yeah, I'm doing it in the TV, you know. All right, so a bit of background here. I went to anatomy and studying the human body.

In the 19th century, Edinburgh in Scotland was one of the leading cities in the world. Go Edinburgh. Helping to develop the subject into a modern science. Ah! Now some very famous anatomy teachers populated the town, or city, including John Bell, Robert Knox, Alexander Munro, who is the founder of the Edinburgh Medical School, who also had a son called Alexander Munro, who then also had a son called Alexander Munro. It's confusing.

All famous in their own rights to distinguish between the three they are referred to as Alexander Monroe Primus, Alexander Monroe Secondus, and Alexander Monroe Tertius. I hate that. Tertius. The first. Tertius. I know it's weird, not junior or junior junior. That's how they do it in the... Junior or junior junior. No, Tertius, not junior junior. Tertius. Sounds Irish, but what is it Latin yeah Jess what do you love that no I don't you thought wrong I hate that that's dumb well anyway it's got nothing to do with the story I just like I love it it's so pompous I love it yeah I

enjoyed it and I didn't know Jess would get so angry about it no that's shit I'm just trying to paint the picture of the Edinburgh's big scientific town at the time. Yeah, that's that that I'm okay with Conduces and turtiest fuck off. It's probably just turtiest. I mean I did put some sort of weird Irish turtiest turtiest all grand tanks a million I don't even know how to say it's nice. I just feel like it's even more than a previous running joke that I am. Having a small touch. Yeah sure. That's what it really offended me. It kept me awake at night.

I was thinking, well it's pretty normal actually. The normal size touch. Get me awake at night. I was thinking, well, it's pretty normal actually. The normal size tush. It's very nice. It's very nice. Where are you? Don't you just do it anyway? Yeah, I need it. I can't go to sleep without it.

Have a little tush feel? I used to hug a pillow. No, no. Now I hug my own eyes. I mean, her name's a pillow when you've got your own eyes. It's now I'm just sitting on my hands. It's a weirdly comforting. It's already very hot in here, Jess.

That's something I hope. You're right. Yes, it is. Another week where we complained about the hate. Thank you. So in order to study the human body, you need human bodies. And at the time, they didn't have plastic examples of organs or anything like that to teach with.

So they had to have a steady supply of cadavers. And as the science developed, the more bodies they needed to teach with so they had to have a steady supply of cadavers and as the science developed the more bodies they needed to teach with. Sure. At the time, Scottish law determined that the only place you could legally get these bodies was from people who died in prison, people who committed suicide and the bodies of orphans or abandoned children. Oh my god.

Okay, so I only feel good deaths. Yes, that's right. Wait, so had the kids died anyway or were they killing off? That sounds... Yeah, a little dubious. Yeah. Either way it feels like they go, no, no, no, no, another natural cause is all for them. You've been in the orphanage for six months now.

That's the cutoff. Sorry if you know the rules. That's a huge welcome. Yeah, nobody wants you, so you may as well do something good for science come over here We're gonna do this is Painful Lee as possible Look just taste it we can't we don't want to damage your cadaver too much. I never like how you pronounce that I think I would say Kedava. Kedava.

What would you say? Kedava. Kedava. Oh, Kedava. Kedava. Kedava. Kedava. Yeah, I'm definitely sending this.

I would have thought you would say Kedava. Kedava. Kedavati, you choose. Start the show with that line from now on. Kedava, and welcome to do your own. So relatives could also choose to donate to cease family members to science but at the time this was nearly unheard of. I think it's really wonderful and honestly it's so incredible when people donate

their bodies to science but I could not do that. Then again there was a point in my life where I thought like donating your organs was totally awful. Not awful but like I was was like, oh yeah, I need that what is your objection to that? Donate my body to science. Yeah, um people see me naked. Oh, right. Well, what are the you put in a request that they can strip your skin off But they just I have to do it under a sheet. Oh, no That's what she means. She doesn't want him to see her naked without skin. Oh,, just not naked at all, they'll be like, oh you're seeing my nude liver. Oh yeah. I'd say I don't, I would donate my body, but... You've got a killer bod? I don't.

I got a great bod. Science would be lucky to see it. Man, if you... So much to learn. So many questions. So many questions. What the fuck is that? How many nips is he got on him?

Is he a man or a dog? How many nips do I have? Just tell me. I don't know. I don't want to know. Well, Jess is freaked out by it. And at the time, it seemed like a horrible thing to have your body dissected after death. And it was even used as a punishment to be an added deterrent for would-be murderers. The UK murder act of 1751 stated, quote, for better

preventing the horrid crime of murder, in no case whatsoever, shall the body of any murderer be suffered to be buried, by mandating either public dissection or hanging in chains of the cadaver. I'm in chains baby baby. So what would you rather be? I'm in chains. Cut up or in chains, which means they legit hang your body out into the open till it rots. So people look at and go, I'm not gonna kill anyone

because I don't want to be that guy. Wow, what time was this? 1751. 1751. That was a different time. It was a very different time. I think of those two options. I mean, people still see me naked, aren't they?

I guess cut up. Yeah, I reckon cut up. But you are definitely dead. But do they treat us like that? Yeah, you're dead. So, I probably doesn't matter that much. No, it doesn't matter. Still always pick shoot me in a space.

Tell me in a tree and shoot me in a space pick shoot meaner space. Termine or tree and shoot meaner space. Wow, tree space. How are you going to shoot a tree into space? We have the technology now, Jess. Do we? We have the power. I don't think we have that one. But OK.

Well, you test those got to get onto it. Haven't you seen Groot? Yeah, good call. Oh, so a tiny little tree. Yeah, sappy. Oh, cute! After the criminal was hanged, medical students would be there as the body was taken down from the gallows and would argue over who could get the rights to dissect the body. Oh, sick, sick. But the big problem in Edinburgh at this time was they just won enough murderers or dead orphans to go around

No, no, no. Was that the great depression? That's what it was about wasn't it Yeah, yeah, everyone was poor body poor cadaver poor. That's right. That'll be four cadavers Oh, I've only got one people You remember that famous photo of someone having to take a wheelbarrow of cadavers down a biolofibroid? Yeah, I remember that. It was a bit of a flash in the cadavers. Yeah. In order to satisfy the desire for corpses and elicit trade began to boom in Edinburgh, people would dig up bodies from cemeteries and sell them to students or lecturers of the university.

The guys who dug up the bodies were called resurrectionists or resurrection men. Resurrectionists is better. You know what I'm saying? Yup. These resurrectionists were paid quite a lot of money for each body that they were able to supply. Body snatching was a lucrative business so much so that it would pay as much as several months work for one body. Easy. These work? Two to and a nine. Yeah and then you got six months off. Two nights on six months off. I'm gonna go with that. Yeah that's gonna fathom I'd be running to. Be more dido when it dig dig in dig on no dig off dig in dig out dig out.

I don't that's what she gets her name for. That's what that was on her job was. She was a singing star. What do you call it? Singing star. Singing. And I want to thank you. For giving me the best day. That was actually written to one of her favorite cadarvers. She was singing to a cadarver.

She wanted to thank him for giving her the best day of his life, of her life, which was digging the body out? She's a weirdo, darling. And by the way, what the fuck happened to her? Yeah, she's full of her face. I imagine she's probably still big in England. I got that feeling. Well, her life was a furent.

Remember that? Anyone? I sure do. Something about white flags. She'll be living off the stand money for years to come. Oh, yeah, I think that one was massive. So they're making lots of money by digging up this. Some people, some people is a company professional body snatches

as observers and reported to have obtained and paid for their studies with human corpses. So they want to be a doctor so bad that they're like, can I come in if I bring my own body? B-Y-O-B. B-Y-O-B. They in if I bring my own body? BWB. BWB. The extra beast for BWB. The grave robbers were able to act with a sort of legal loophole.

It was illegal to disturb the grave, but since corpses were not viewed as property and could neither be owned nor stolen, body snatching remained quasi-legal. The crime being committed against the grave rather than the body. So once you get the body out, you can just take it. And no one can be like, I own that, hang on, no, no, they own, who owns the death body? Do you think grave robbers is a cool band name? Yeah. Matt Stewart and the grave robbers? That's got to be a band already, right? Surely, it's so good. I mean, Matt Stewart and the grave robbers specifically. Yeah, that's got to be. I'm already in that band surely. What do you

play? Obviously play the bloody coffin. You hitting a coffin that's always having my coffin on me. Always ready for a jam session. Oh dear. Well speaking of coff session. Oh dear. Well speaking of coffins. Very hot. Yeah. A body snatch is rarely dug up the entire coffin. Instead they dug a vertical tunnel down to the head of the coffin, broke open the lid

and then hoisted the body to the surface with a rope or a long metal hook. That's disgusting. But also kind of genius, right? Yeah. You just dig like a little bit, get down to the bottom. And they must go for pretty fresh bodies too. Yeah, it just dig like a little bit, get down to the bottom. And they must go for pretty fresh bodies too. Oh yeah, it's got to be fresh. Yeah, fresh on nothing. So the clothes were tossed back into the coffin, so they do see a naked dress. I'm sorry. The tunnel

filled into the ground. No Dave, I'm sorry. To those poor people. There's poor resurrection. You have to see me naked. And then they smooth the ground back over to make it look like it's undisturbed. That also be so, like, is there so freshly dead people still be mourning them? They would also potentially be recognizable to the local community. Yeah. What a time to be alive. What a dead in this case. As Matt already said, the key was to act quickly because he needed to remove the body Yeah. What a time to be alive, or dead. In this case.

I was about to already said the key was to act quickly because he needed to remove the body before it was too badly decomposed. All the doctors and stuff wouldn't even want to, they wouldn't even want to. The low level doctors probably. I'll take it. We'll take your rotting. I'll take a bag of pus. Oh, I still want to learn from a bag of pus, yes.

You're turning your nose up at a bag of past, but lessons to be learned. I didn't think that I would not like this, but I don't. Yes, we're going back to the burial cremation episode. No, I know, and that is still my favorite, but this... Just don't let it get too deep in your head. I'm only doing very shallow thinking. A bag of past. I'm don't. Picture it. I'm not, it's in there. Now'm only doing very shallow thinking. Bag of pass. I'm don't.

Picture it. I'm not. It's in there. Now you're making me do it. Oh yes. Whatever you do, do not imagine the drink you're about to take from that bottle as a bag of pass. You son of a bitch.

It's hot in here and I'm thirsty. I'm fine. It's just water. Sweet sweet pass. It's slimy. We've definitely lost listeners already at this point. The people are still with us. They want me to go further and I will. Corpse and parts thereof, because if you could just get a good leg, you could still sell it for a couple of bucks. They were packed into suitable containers, salted and preserved,

stored in sellers, and then transported in carts, wagons and boats. Obviously, some people were annoyed that their relatives were being dug up in salt. So they tried to stop the robbers. They hired guards to watch over graves. In some, well speaking of nanny states, in some industries you can still see guard towers where they, when people would go up there at night and watch over the entire cemetery to get a good view Did you get any? Cemetery's while you're in Edinburgh not an ad-ro I did go up to Perse I went to some some tomatries there where my Ancestors are buried was there a pub up there Obviously, there was a pub overlooking the cemetery. Well, they buried at the pub

That buried at the pub with they died the pub the pub. If they died the pub was as easy to do. Quite a few. But it matters in my family as well. Yeah, there's a lot of criminal dead... Well, at least in the town that my ancestors came from with my surname. Are you... But I think Stuart's a relatively common San Francisco. Thinking that some of them probably weren't even in that in the cemetery

because they'd been dissected at this every university? Yeah, it was just gizzards. Here lays the gizzard remains of John's Juliet. That sort of stuff. Beautiful. So it's nice to just connect with where you came from. It is a lovely little cemetery. I'll post a photo of it.

It's a real pretty. Also, it looks kind of like a haunted. Cemetery? Yeah, yeah. They're all creepy. Yeah. Yep. The other tactic to protect the dead was to erect metal cages around them called mort safes.

Well, they used burial vaults, put metal or wooden planks over the coffin, used iron coffins, filled the graves with heavy stones. Or they put a giant slab of concrete over the grave that was hopefully too heavy to lift until it was assumed that the body had decomposed enough that no one wanted anymore, then you'd move that onto the next fresh grave. So they'd go that round symmetry.

They also tried to deter. It's not too smart. They also tried to deter bodies' dashes from entering grave yards by building high walls, fixing broken glass on top of those walls, or setting trip lines attached to guns. Wow, wow. So it was a real problem, real problem. That's amazing.

No, Nana's not going to pay her respects at night. Quick, grab her watch, she's fresh. Sorry. She dropped every little bit along the way. I got it. Scottish yells for help. No, they were, oh look I'm the man of a thousand noises. Oh, we've got a new name for Matt. Man of a thousand noises.

Can I hear, can I hear noise number 10? Noise number 10? Well, I'm going to have to look at the glossary. What was that one that one was a quarter an vacuum Malfunctioning what about noise 5 5 6 Well between 10 and 5 5 6 is not a lot different. Oh, listen back They tell such a story And what what you say the best to last what is noise? Let me explain.

That one was a goldfish being skimmed across a pond. Well, someone threw it like a skipping stone. Yeah. Someone threw it. Yeah. But to release it, I assume. Yeah, the fish loved it. You should have seen a look on its face.

Didn't you hear that little smile? Oh, I heard it. I actually did. That was the last one there, which I think was, you can see how I developed over time. Would you call that one Reminder for Binn Night? Number one. I've got to call it. Hey Dave, is it Binn Night?

It is, it's Binn Night. You better put the Binns out. Yeah, good point Jess. Don't get me started about my complex and how people have been putting shit in our bin to the point that I now lock it away in the garage. Oh, wait, they put seven-year bins on bin night or pre-bid night. Pre-bid night. That's not on. Day one of hand goes into the bin. Oh, that's not. So it's got to be there for a week. No, no good.

Especially not at the bottom of an empty bin. Yeah. Because that may remain. Yeah. They really need to shake that out. But I have no problem with people feeling might be in one summer street. Once it's on the street, it's in God's hands. But when it's in the, well now it's locked away in the garage. And if you're listening to this of the people in my complex, fuck you. You ham gobbling prick. Oh, not gobbling enough. Yeah, keep gobbling prick That sounds like a real complex Prick yeah, I've got a real complex with these fuckers with these prickly bloody ham gobbling prick Ham gobbling prick and man of a thousand voices

It's so good So anyway back to Look, I want to steer it back to corpses, Jess. Oh, yeah, sorry, of course. Please. People are stealing corpses. People try to stop the people stealing corpses. And it actually proves to be quite successful. And many grave-ropping attempts are thwarted.

So this made the bodies more valuable and pushed up the price even more, because now they're rarer. So it's sort of backfires a bit. Then we come to our good friends or soon to be good friends. Burke and hair. Oh, no, if we take good friends. I think I've entirely forgot these guys existed. Yeah, so would we say, I don't know if I want to be good friends with them? Well, I'll tell you about them. I'm sure you'll come around. I'm sure you will.

I can't let you said corpse's would be rarer and I couldn't. I just, my brain just kept. No, Matthew. I think in steak. Yeah. You weren't, but I've reached, I just my brain just kept. No Matthew. I think in steak. Yeah. You weren't, but I reached you and that thought as well. I mean people are listening going, why aren't they talking about how the, anyway? No they're going, thank goodness I didn't talk about the body's being rare.

No, how do you like your corpse Dave? My favorite social media post is, hey guys I think you missed a joke here. I love you. It's here. I love it. It's like out of every second. That's plenty of misses. Oh yeah. We miss more than we swing. So you pronounced a word wrong.

It's like, yeah we know. We're not smart people. Look at that. I say cadaver. I'm clearly an idiot. I'm curious as to what the people think about cadaver versus cadaver. Versus cadaver. Oh. I'm curious as to what the people in that cadava versus cadava. Versus cadava.

Cadava. Maybe I'd say cadava. I don't know. Cadava sounds better. No, it doesn't. It sounds stupid. Burke and hair. Thank you.

Oh yeah. William Burke was born in 1792 in Ernie County, Tyrone in Northern Ireland. Can I guess his first name? It's still Ernie. Okay. William Burke and what here? Robert. Matt Hager. Could that be a switch of Robert Burke and Will Will's.

I still love that Will's. Have a go what are your ideas? Will Will's. Is he also Irish? Yes both Irish. Both from the Northern. I'll go with a classic Irish name Chivorn I'll also go for a classic Irish name IFA

You'll also take C of hand and whatever have you spell EFA I Will tell you it's William Burke and Jessica gonna love this oh William here. No, it's William. Willie. see we wouldn't have guessed that you never guess that to Willie's Billy it'd be calling them the two willies how did that not be there oh maybe you have maybe you have heard of them yeah the two willies and their murders free willies free willy two willies okay so we william burk 1792 Okay, so William Burke, 1792. First Willie Burke had a comfortable upbringing and joined the army with his brother Constantine. Constantine. That's right. That's not a very Irish name, is it?

No. Burke has been described as short, handsome and likable. So in many ways he reminds me of myself. You know that short. Oh, likable. But I am fucking Hanson. I see why that's funny. Thank you. Sometimes things are so truly become funny.

Some of the rules are comedy. You know that one rule of three rule of something big so true it's funny. He married a woman this is still Willie Burke. It's controversial. In Western Ireland where they settled however the marriage did not last long at all. In 1818 at the age of 26 he had a fight with his in-law, or his father-in-law over land ownership, and William Burke deserted his wife and family, which now included two children.

Have we skipped a hit a bit because before in the 1700s? Ah, yes, so the murder act was 1750. Right. So then the decades before he was born, the problem is getting worse and worse, as Edinburgh becomes more and more of a go-to destination for would-be doctors Gotcha, so he's born in 1792 and in 1818 he moves to Scotland Where he works as a laborer and he worked on the Union Canal that connected Edinburgh with Fell Kirk

Which took many many years to dig out He settled in a village near Fcourc and set up home with Helen McDougall. Oh yes. Great name. Who, he affectionately nicknamed Nellie. Hi Helen and Nellie. Is that what Nellie is? Yeah. Cool. Or Eleanor. Cool. When the canal... Oh, Gregory. Gregory, Gregory Peck. When the canal was finally finished in 1827, the couple moved, so the living is man and wife, but because he's already married, it's not actually ascertained if they ever actually married, but she's practically his wife, and they moved in 1827 to Tanners, Close in Edinburgh, and they sold second-hand clothes whilst Burke worked as a cobbler

So that's Burke. It's cobbler. I love cobblin. Oh, I love a cobble. Yeah every day I'll be cobblin if I could cobble more God And is it possible to cobble more than all the time you're right? You're cobblin right now, but I just want a couple all the time. Yeah, you got to gobble more than all the time. You're right. You're cobbling right now. I know, but I just want to cobble all the time. Yeah. You got to sleep sometimes.

That's true. Can't cobble on the John. If I had four hands, I'd cobble twice as much. I'd double cobble. Yeah. Double cobble. If I had six hands. How much would you cobble?

Still cobble twice as much, but I'd also read a book. So you'd take up a second hobby. Yeah. About cobbling. I'm interesting that you read with two hands. What do you turn the page with? Yeah, Dave. Sorry, Mr. Magic over here.

I will draw my question. So that's Burke. Hair. Will he appear? Also born in Northern Ireland. And his exact birth date is mystery, but most sources say he was younger than Burke. His early life is also much of a mystery,

but it's known that he worked in Ireland as an agricultural laborer before traveling to Britain. So I wasn't wrong, it is a bit of a mystery episode. Yeah, that's the mystery. It's almost fascinating one yet. Tweet in your theories. What did he do? What did he do?

When was he born? Have a crack. He also worked on the Union Canal for- Are you working way too hard for way too little? There's never been a better time to consider a career in IT. You could enjoy a recession-resistant career in a rewarding field with plenty of growth opportunities and often flexible work environments. Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the free career evaluation. You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus, and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time my computer career.edu.

Seven years before moving to Edinburgh in the mid-1820s where he worked as a coal man's assistant. I'm a coal man! What song is that? What's on his hat? So long. Because when you finally get a Simpsons reference, about singing, I'm a troll man. And then March is, I don't want you playing with anything with such hideous hair. The troll has the exact hair she does.

That's good stuff. That's good. That was the same song for a sitcom with Dan Acroid called Soul Man. I don't think it lasted very long. He was a reverend and a father. Yeah, I think I remember that. He was also a father. Yeah, it was like classic sort of sitcom. A father and a father. Yeah, um, seventh heaven already did it, Dan Acroid. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

Come on, mate. That's why when he moved on to Skull vodka. Yeah. And we thank him for that. Mm-hmm. Sorry, Dave, jiggle on. Sorry, I just want to talk about the coal man's assistant. Please.

With the him here. Bloody hell, that was a fruitful little detour. He lodged the tenors close. This is with him here. In the house of a man named Log. Log. Log. Log.

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See, in the nearby Westport area of the town, that's where he's living with Logue and Margaret Leard. But when Logue died in 1826, hair may have married Margaret and took over the boarding house. Oh, it's nice. May have. To's a big mystery. It's a big mystery to this guy. Maggie and Willie. So the other guy was described as short handsome and charismatic. Yep. Likeable. That's right. Well that was the word.

But hair has been described as... Oh, mean. Yep. And he's a bear. Yeah. Sorry, did I mention that? Oh, main bear. He wears a little vest. And in many ways, he reminds me of masks.

He's still a big, good, good basket. Yeah. He's been described as a literate and uncouth, a lean, quarrelsome, violent, and a moral character with scars from old wounds about his head and brow. Hot. I don't know what he's been headbutting but he did not come off well. Hot. Amoral or immoral? Kadava. You really mispronounce at that time. Come on.

That's the hero this podcast you know what I mean? Yeah but big bloody dummy over there. Oh, so you were complimenting my hair. Remember when we used to make fun of having a big dick and he didn't like it? That was funny, wasn't it? Well, big dick over here. Yeah, sometimes the truth is funny. Yeah, that's right.

It's so gentle, it's funny. And beautiful. So that's Birkenhairs background today. In 1827 Birkenhs partner Nellie McDougall went to work on the harvests where they met hair and the two Williams Birkenhairs became friends. And when Birkenhs McDougall returned to Edinburgh, they moved into his Tannis close lodging house where the two couples soon acquired a reputation for hard drinking and boisterous behavior. So they're all living in this lodges house together where people are paying to stay in other rooms of the house. It's like a little air B&B. It's like a hostile. It's and it's going off by the sounds of it. Yeah they're boisterous, they're drinking, they're willy-willy. I have a drink with Willie and Willie. Then, things take a little duck tan.

They what? When on November 29th, 1827, one of the lodges, Donald. Donald. Yeah, this is the duck. Did you say it took a duck or a duck tan? It's Donald Duck. I understand. Say no more. Donald. All right, all right, I will literally start. Say no more.

So please ignore the story. Let's just speak to yourself. Donald suddenly died shortly before receiving a quarterly army pension. My brain went somewhere gross and deady. Anyway, yes, before we see it. I need to know what you've got. That feels like a real... No, quarterly ARMY PENTION all, I guess, am I murder a run?

Oh yeah. So, okay, so it was about to get some money. You're about to get some money. Whilst owing, four pounds back rent to here four pounds four pound four pound pund Pound Pound Pound

Pound Pound He's doing it better pound Pound Pound Pound Wrong Pound

Pound Kadava So that's English boys Kadava That sounds good maybe an English voice. Kadava? That sounds good. Maybe that's what I'm trying to channel. What in the English? Harry Potter Kadava.

Harry Potter and the Magic Kadava. Oh, Magic Kadava. Oh, my life. What my life. Oh, what my life. So we owe us four pounds, quite a lot of rent. Here complained to Birk about not being able to get the money from a dead man. And an ingenious plan was concocted.

Oh dear. They could sell the body to one of the local medical schools. Yeah, I did not see this coming. Yeah. Look at that chest really, there was a little foreshadow. No, I thought they were going to try and pretend to be him and go to the bank. That's right. Hello, I am Donald.

Oh! Can I have my money, please? I would like my quarterly bank pension. That makes my friend Jesselaa for some reason. She never said why. Thank you. Good day. Money, please.

But for some reason they decided to do that thing where kids do where one stitch puts going on the other shoulder, on the other person's shoulder and they were a big jacket I forgot that I was fully grown man. So Donald's like a 9 foot man. Hello, I'd like my army pension. Oh God Is that the cadaver on top? Yeah, yeah, we get a bird hold it three men high Yeah, yeah, it's weekend to bed. Hold it three men high. The 12 foot man. They put the cadaver on top which was dumb.

12 foot zombie. You put it in the middle you reckon? It's a pretty weak middle. You're like a sponge cake. But if it's got a rigour mortise, it's kind of rigid. Oh, I know. They're like a tortoise full of rigour mortise. You know what's a Moussy hip hop?

No, that was our NWA. Oh, fuck, sorry. W-W-W-W. That's so... Let's get a real, let's get a real... You know what some Aussie hip hop. No, that was a NWA. Oh fuck sorry. W.A. So let's get a real let's get a real It's got it's that has the cheekiness of an Aussie hip hop lyric. Oh, we are a bit bloody cheeky. Yeah That's that's some good stuff. That's a Dr. Dre respect. Oh God So they've got the body, they want to sell it.

The plan is, and this is what they do, a carpenter provided a coffin for burial, which was to be paid for by the local parish, sort of, took pity on Donald. After he left, the pair opened the coffin, removed the body, which they hid under the bed, they filled the coffin with bark from a local tanners and for he sealed it.

How much bark do we put in? Let's be a fair bit of bark if you want to make it like a man's worth. Hey, but what's a man worth? Yeah. Hey, ladies, not much. No much of a rote. Who needs him? No, not my experience.

Can't live with them, can't kill them. Can we talk about ladies or bark? I don't know either. Can't live with them, can't kill them. Can we talk about ladies or bark? I don't know any of them. Can't live with it. Can't get enough of it. I love bark. I'm obsessed. So after dark on the day the coffin...

After bark. On the day the coffin was removed from burial, they took the corpse to Edinburgh University where they looked for someone to buy it. So you can just imagine them walking through a uni with a dead body yelling out. Anyone want a buy this? It's sort of like trying to sell drugs at a uni, you know? That's probably a lot easier.

No, but yeah, with Kinervas you do it in that old school watch way where you open up your big trench coat. And you get a body hanging out from each side. What do you want? What can I get you? Often, grown man? What do you want? There's the real shit. There's the real shit. This is fresh. It's fresh. Just got it. Pick up some morning. Fill off the back of the truck And they died when they fell off the back of the truck They reportedly asked for directions to professor Alexander Monroe's house or office and for close those playing at home

That's Alexander secondus But a student sent them to Robert Knox's premises in search and square. Bobby Knox. Bobby Knox had contracted small boxes the child was left blind in one eye and heavily scarred but he had grown up to be a famous anatomist and the undertook dissections twice a day and his advertising promised quote a full demonstration on fresh anatomical subjects, unquote, as part of every course of Lexus he delivered, he stated that his lessons drew over 400 pupils.

So he's doing these. That's one of eyeballs. Yeah, a lot of eyeballs. 800 in fact. No, actually, he's blind to one eye. 799. God, he's good. It's funny to think about all these these times like oh this is

fucked what a fucked time but our medicine now would be nowhere near it is if it wasn't through. Yeah but like other people doing grizzly shit for us. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But so he's doing he's chopping open two bodies a day so he needs a lot of bodies. Yep. So Knox paid the men for the body. They went to his office and he was like, you know, I'll take that. He paid them £7 and 10 shillings. He received £4, £5 shillings whilst Burke took the balance of £3, £5. Here's share was larger to cover.

He's lost from Donald's unpaid rent. Somebody's made a profit. So, £7 pounds. pounds, pounds, seven pounds. That doesn't even know I'm aware of inflation. That does not feel like much. For a body. When I was in London, it's like it's hundreds. Well, Edinburgh 10 years ago or so. The first time I went there, I was buying plants pretty regularly for about two pounds. So that's for you is pound so they go. They just paid three beers for this guy.

Not bad. Not bad at all. I mean it's just a guy that dropped dead. Yeah. It's like it's like finding five pounds on the ground practically. All you had to do was fill a coffin with bark. Yeah. They carry a body through a uni and say where's Alexander Monoros Secundis? No, I don't like this. Secundis. It's definitely secondus, but Secundis sounds good as well. Oh, come here, Antut.

One of Nox's assistants told the pair that the anatomists quote would be glad to see them again when they had another to dispose of. Ah, why would you say that? Wink, wink. So Nox is not asking any questions. He's like, I need bodies. You've got a body. I'll take the body.

Let the bodies in the floor. Get the fuck out of here. Take these four or five ponds of beer and get out of here. Get out of here. Just before you go, let me know. What's it? Mar-doh. Don't answer that. Don't answer that.

Don't answer that. Maro Doh, no, fuck it. Target it. So they just made a killing pardon the bun. I hate you. From Donalds, I've actually written pardon the pun here. I know. That's why you hate me.

I understand now. I understand while I am hated by most of the population. They made the killing from Donald's body and the two men started to realize that they may be onto a lucrative thing. The pair decided that they could give another body to Noxon early in 1828. The only problem was that this time the tenant they had their eye on, a man named Joseph, wasn't dead yet. Oh no. He was chosen because he was quite ill and possibly being seen as bad for business. Because people are coming in and out, they don't want a very sick possibly contagious person, contagious person to put off other lodges.

But they're too impatient to see if Joseph would actually die from his afflictions. Birkenhaar took it upon themselves to help him along. They applied him with lots of whiskey and then hair suffocated him by covering his mouth and nose whilst he was forcibly restrained by Birkenhae who lay on his chest. Birken's weight on the victim's stifled movement and also his ability to make noise whilst it also prevented the chest from expanding should any air get past his suffocating grip. Murder house. Murder house.

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In those days, the method would have been practically undetectable as modern forensics were a long, long way away. So, when the body's getting dropped off, you can't look at it and it's not like it's got a stab wound or something. Yeah. It just looks like a dead yeah. Robert Knox again paid them in for the body this time, 10 pounds. I don't know why that.

10 pounds. 10 pounds. 10 pounds. 10 pounds. 10 pounds. 10 pounds. I'm just talking about Australia accent. I'm saying 10 punes.

10 punes. What's the extent rate between 10 punes and 10 pounds? Let me get the calculator. An unnamed English match seller. That's right, someone who went door to door selling matches. We're staying at the lodging when he became ill with jaundice. And again, like the first victim, Joseph, thinking that a sick person would be bad for business, and that a dead person would be good for business, they decided to suffocate him. They got another taste for it.

They got another 10 pounds. And suddenly, they had a business on their hands. How much? No, I don't know. We don't say how much would it... How much would a jaundice man? No No how much money would you have to make? Yes to kill someone 11 pounds Got a camp for inflation

I think inflation might have Yeah, no, or if you're willing to do over 11, I'll take you on Just I am available on Antasca. Oh my god. No That is very legal. Just I am available on Antasca. Oh my god, no. That is very legal and I am not available on Antasca. So we'll paint your house. The next victim was luckily a salt cellar by the name of Abigail Simpsons. Simpsons was a pensioner who lived in the nearby village and visited Edinburgh to supplement her

pension by selling salt. I love the jobs of this period of time. Imagine how many people would knock on your door though. Matches. Who's here? Every single... Yeah. You never have to go to the fucking shop.

The shop comes to you. These days we're going to go get everything ourselves. I got to buy my own matches. Mondays are aisle three. aisle three is coming past one by one. Yeah. When's the last time you went and bought matches? I reckon I'm there a couple of times a week. Yeah matches Are you gonna half my life spent? Yeah, the times that I'm breaking from Copeland. I'm buying matches

We finally there was an easy way. Well now there is Where the matchmakers? Are you making them? That sounds much more lucrative than selling them individually at the door. Yeah, you're right. Especially if you're making them yourself, you can do it and ask a little mark up. Handmade. Handmade matches.

What's the stuff on top of matches? Matchheads, fire. Both good answers, thank you. Dave Jigalon. So Abigail Simpson and the salt seller. She was invited into his house, supplied with enough alcohol to ensure she was too drunk to return home.

And after murdering her, Burke and Hair placed the body in a T-chest and sold her to Knox. They got 10 pounds and Dr. Knox approved of it being so fresh, but he did not ask any questions. Dr. Knox. I reckon there's some questions to be asked there, Noxie.

And, but it's nice they threw in the T- chest, don't you? Yeah, that is nice. It is beautiful. She didn't mention the T- chest was worth 10 pounds as well. So the body was thrown in, just very. It's a pretty body. Pretty body. That night he did dissect the T-shirt in front of his class

look at that beautiful oak just take the scalpel and uh shhh I can't open the ribs of the chest just this is feeling sick and I'm describing cutting open the t-shirt that t-shirt has a, Burk met two women in early April. Oh lady. I like you go yeah alright date time. Yeah what's time for him to turn in you leaf and yeah that's right they're what they're gonna tame this bad boy. Yeah, I mean I'm a firm believer that you can change a man. I love changing men. I reel them in, I change everything about them. I love a project. They resent me.

And they leave. That's a bit like you're an episode of Queer Eye for the Strayker. They come on in. I change their house. I teach them how to dance. I give them new clothes I teach them how to cook. I'm Ted and I'm done. I'm Ted So these two ladies I'm talking about that Bergman Mary Patterson and Janet Janet Brown He bought the two women some alcohol before Inviting them back to his lodging for breakfast. So he bought them drinks before breakfast That's the kind of time this is Well, that sounds like how I remember Edinburgh. They also watch the Rangers.

Berks' wife gave him a time to find her husband with two young women, one of him had passed out from drinking, and she accused them all of having an affair. A railroad got between Berk and McDougal, Nelly, during which he threw a glass at her cutting her over the eye. Brown stated that she did not know Berk was married and left. McDougal also left, Nelly, during which he threw a glass at her cutting her over the eye. Brown stated that she did not know Burke was married and left. McDougal also left. That's Nelly. And she went to fetch hair and his wife. Oh, there, yeah, they're sort of going about a kind of normal laugh amongst the...

Yeah, I tried to do that. Well, what I think of as a normal laugh, being married, the normal laugh. It's just weird that you're also going home and sharing a bed with someone after that day. Yeah. Normally thinking of the murderers as loners. I know, but you still have small talk at the end.

How was your day? Oh, bloody, bloody. Yeah, bloody. So basically they've had a fight. Janet Brown's left, but Mary, she's still there. But Mary Pat is an MP, she's still there. Oh dear. A hair arrive shortly afterwards and the two men locked their wives out of the room and

then they murdered Paterson in her sleep. Janet Brown came back, the other friend and us were a friend, wasn't waiting for her to return. Oh yeah. Janet eventually decided to leave having no idea that Mary was lying dead in the next room, ready to be taken to Knox and that she herself was likely to be their next victim. Oh my god. She got away. The body was delivered to Knox whilst it was still warm. Oh, and one of Knox's assistants asked where they had attained the body. See, thought he recognized it. Birke explained that the girl that drunk herself to death and that he had purchased it from quote an old woman in the canon gate. Oh, yeah. Yeah, blame an old woman. Yeah, but people are trading bodies

left right in it. Things got really out of control when a grandmother and a grandson stayed at the house, according to Burke, hair suffocated the old woman as she lay in bed drunk and then murdered her son. But it's pretty convenient to blame the other guy for that one, isn't it? So that's pretty brutally now that they've

now killed an old woman and a young child, which they still sold to Knox Oh, so you take it? I'll take a leg, just here Do you get less or more for a kid? I did read some way that they got a deal for the two of them Oh yeah, too far Too far

I wonder, yeah, I wonder if there's anything to learn from blood relatives Maybe if that's more valuable Oh, okay You could be like this is this her, a lady and a grandson. Yeah. Both drunk themselves to death and were born from an old woman and cannon gait. I'm gonna skip over a few murders here because there's so many and the timeline is a little bit muddy. Great.

But they killed a lot. Or bloody. Very bloody. And at least one occasion, Burke killed with that hair and sold the body himself. But he did not like that when he did that back to him. On the 24th of June, Berk and McDoodle. Yeah, Doodle. It's a much better name. They departed for Fel Kirk to visit the ladders father, McDoodle's father, who literally wasn't McDoodle. Berk knew that hair was short of cash and had even poned, poned some of his clothes.

When the couple returned they found that hair was wearing new clothes and had a surplus of money. How are you short of money if you're just killing bodies? I think I'm just drinking it all. Oh come on, invest! This is a drop. Get on invest some of that body money. It's what my dad always said.

Yeah, mine too. You're not going to have body money forever. Yeah. Can't take it with you. Invest. Get busy, invest in, or get busy dying. After he was asked, he had denied that he had sold another body,

even though he suddenly got cash. Birk checked with Knox, who confirmed hair had sold a woman's body for eight pounds. Oh, he's undercutting him. He had led to an argument between the two men, they came to blows. Uh-oh. Birk and his wife moved into a home, into the home of his cousin, two streets away, so they left. They cracked it. Interesting. Are the two seem to make up and get back to their old ways pretty quickly though, because a few months later, here was visiting Birk when Mrs. Ulstler, a washerwoman

came to the property to do the laundry. The men got a drunken killder. So that's how you get, you know, how you kiss and make up. You kill an old washerwoman. The corpse was taken to Dr. Knox that afternoon, for which they got eight pounds. Eight pounds! Are the two even killed family? Oh no! Blood relatives.

When Anne Dougal, one of Birx's wife's relatives, came to stay, after a few days days the men killed her But with a usual technique and received ten pounds for the body. They wives know what they're doing. Yes, okay They are somewhat complicit. Oh Change them and I have changed those men Chainsome it's not that hard you just never get them when you get addicted to that sweet cadaver money, that's what sweet cadaver cash. Change everything. Change everything.

More and more of Noxistudents started to recognize some of the bodies that were being dissected. And people began to talk, Alfred Edinburgh, especially at the time, is not that big a place. No, that's it, like branch out a little bit. You're killing heaps of people. Jurn French though the population really does well. It's really. It's really. People's bloody hell. So people are starting to talk, people are recognizing bodies on the table. Birkenhaar made a big mistake choosing their next victim who was a familiar figure in the streets of Edinburgh. His name was James or Jamie Wilson, an 18 year old man with a limp caused by deformed feet. Possibly mentally disabled he supported himself on the street by begging, so was known

to many locals because they see his face every single day. He was murdered, and when the body was examined the following day, by a nox and his students, several of them recognised it to be Wilson. But nox denied it could be anyone the students knew. When words started circulating that Wilson was missing, nox dissected the body ahead of the others that were being held in storage, and he swiftly removed its head and deformed foot during dissection so that people couldn't recognize it anymore. Oh, so Knox's... Well, he just needs the body.

Knox needs the body. Yeah, he needs him. Oh, no. They're all addicted to this little economy they've created. Yeah. Now the final victim killed on the 31st of October 1828. Halloween. Was Margaret Dockety, a middle aged Irish woman.

She was invited to stay with Birken here on the pretense that she was the distant relation of Birken's mother. I don't know who's lying to Houthir. I don't know if she's claiming to be a relative of their like, you're a relative. Come stay with us. She's like, how do you know that? I'm just on the street. What, we just met. No, my mom said, you're a relative, come stay with us. Just like, how do you know that? I'm just on the street.

What, we just met. No, my mom said, you're her mom. Distan, come on in. Come on. Nanny, let me see. You meant Distan, grandma. Nanny. By this time, Berkett started taking in his own lodges

and the grays, who were lodging with him at the time, were asked if they could stay at hairs for the night. So, while they were away, they could quietly kill Margaret Dockety. On their return to books lodging the following day after the little staycation at Hairsouse, the grays were told that Marjorie had been asked to leave because she had been flirtatious with Burke, which is weird because that's her grandson apparently. According to me and no one else. The grays became suspicious when one of them was not allowed to approach a bed where she had left her stockings.

They were like, no, don't go in there. Don't go in that room. She's like, I just want to get my stockings. When they were left alone in the house later that evening, the grays searched around the house and the straw that was in the house and they found Dockety's body showing blood and saliva on her face. On their way to alert the police, they ran into Berks' partner, Natalie McDougall, who tried to bribe them with an offer of 10 pounds a week

if they didn't say anything. Wow, that's a whole extra body. Yeah, they got stuck killing a body for this. She's in the economy. No, she said no. Fuck. The Graves reported the murder to the police and Berkhan here, but whilst she was doing that, Berkhan here quickly removed the body and took it to Nox's surgery. The police search located Dockety's blood-stained clothing hidden under the bed. Birken's wife gave different times for Dockety's departure from the house, which looked really suspicious to the police. So that's how she looked at that. Can I get your story right away?

What time did you leave 5am? 5am? Oh no. That's a big window. It's a your story right. What time's your late 5 p.m.? 5 a.m.? Oh no. That's a big window. It's a very big window. But let's get back to the time. What's she left through the window? It's getting distracted.

It's a big beautiful window, sure. But if we could just deal with the facts of at the hand. But how good is this kettle? Yeah, okay. It's a good kettle. It's a great kettle. Breville, my good stuff. I love Breville. We all love Breville. We all love Breville.

Can I match your toast though? I get it. Back to the murder. Sand. So the wife and husband are given different times. Right. So it's raised enough suspicion for them to be taken in for questioning. Early the following morning, the police went to Nox's dissecting rooms where they found

Dockety's body. The body was identified by Gray Gray one of the people that was At a point of the finger at them in the first place as the woman as the woman finger the dead body As the last look at me he fingered Identified as the woman he had seen with Birken hair hair and his wife were arrested that day because now there's a body. In total, 16 people were murdered by Birken hair. Birken stated later that he and hair were generally in a state of intoxication when the murders were carried out and that he could not sleep at night without a bottle of whiskey by his bedside and two penny candle to burn all night

beside him. That's like 160 pounds. Probably less, because I feel that I've got like eight. That's not a lot of money. I need a big amount of money now. I know, but it still doesn't even feel like it was a lot of money then. What's the cost of burning that candle all night long and all the alcohol? Yes, it's okay, huh?

Why me? It's called a two penny candle. So I imagine two pennies. No, that's because two pennies, like the two willies, were the ones who invented it. That's actually true. Not true. One of you work, so he said he needed whiskey there.

One of you work, he would take a drink from the bottle, sometimes half a bottle and that would make him sleep. He also took opium to ease his conscience. Oh, okay. Now I know where their money is going. They need all this. Opium. Yeah, I don't drink. you all we've all been there

What having a little no little open fall down an open room opium hole for a few months Not while you're trying to never out murders from you Never know no you've never had a few months. What are you saying now hang on what's happened? He was just as currently on the opium binge Remember you're very you're very good at hiding it. What are you talking about? You've killed a poor and you're killed again. I haven't. I've never killed before and I'll never kill again. So Burke here and their wives were arrested but with forensic evidence being what it was at the time, police found that it wasn't exactly an open and shut case.

The four suspects were kept apart and statements were taken. These conflicted with the initial answers given on the day of their arrests. The body they had found before it was dissected was examined, docketies body, the old lady, and the investigators reported that it was probable the victim had been murdered by suffocation, but this could not be medically proven. But on the basis of the report from the two doctors, Bergenair were charged. Robert Knox, who had been buying the bodies, was interviewed and the investigator concluded that he was deficient in principle in heart, but did not think that he had

broken the law. He had heaps of hearts. He had bloody draws full of them. I've got 16 of them right here. What are you talking about? He definitely knew what was going on. Yeah, 100%! Yeah, it's dodgy ass. And whilst police were certain multiple murders had taken place, they are certain of this. Most of the bodies had long been disposed of. So they decided to try and single one of the party out and offer them immunity if they turned on the others

and gave evidence. So they don't have any evidence. Who's gonna turn? One of the wives. That's a crime. Hey, one of the bloody and gave evidence. Because they don't have any evidence. Who's gonna turn one of the wives? That's a crime. Hey, one of the bloody Nagan wives. I reckon it's Willie. Willie. I reckon they're not an angry one.

It's a good one. It's a good one. Birk. No, the other one. Well, that's hair. Who's the angry one? The other one. Birk.

The other one. No hair. No, Birk. Yeah, Birk. Because they're the angry one? The other one. Burke. The other one. No, here. No, Burke. Yeah, Burke. Because the angry leader is covering himself with either answer. Correct. Then I'm getting confused, because the Burke was the good looking one, likeable. The angry in Burke and Wales, he was the angry one, and Will's was the... Okay, well, in this case, Burke is the nice one.

Well it's... I mean, what are the odds of... Two Burke's are slightly different characteristics. It's... Yeah, it's true. Some fathomable... fathom and loopable. Well, it hard. William Hare, the bastard, was chosen, and he went for the deal. Ah, of course. Of course he did. The bastard.

The bastard. Because he couldn't testify against his wife in law, he went for the deal. Ah, of course. Of course he did. The Bastion. The Bastion. Because he couldn't testify against his wife in law, she too was immune for being charged. He confessed to all the crimes and gave them enough testimony to arrest Birken his wife McDougal. For three of the murders. Robert Knox, the anatomist, wasn't charged, although popular opinion was against him, with newspapers at many locals thinking he was the mastermind and should be hanged.

The case was so sensational that during the trial, 300 constables were enlisted to protect the courtroom. That's what it is. There's nearly a riot. You're kidding. Because people were, you know, outrage. That's amazing. Killed 16 people.

Here, talk to the stand to give evidence against his former accomplices, and he blamed Burke as being the sole murderer and his wife as not being complicit and she didn't do any of the killing. Right. The proceedings lasted just two days and on Christmas day 1828 Burke was found guilty. I can't believe it. Yeah, that's funny. It's sort of obvious that he'd be the one I was thought the other one was going to be two. He's like, like I can't take it I've got a but of course it was off of the deal so of course the arse hole of course now that I know the answer I'm sure it was here yeah exactly how does he do it he's so good fuck you're good you should have been on this case you would have solved it hundreds of years ago I would have

taken a lot less time well the proceedings lasted just two days and on Christmas day, 18 or 15. What had done it? It was a day and a half. On Christmas day, you there, what day is it? Christmas day, 18 or 15. And is this still in court on Christmas day? Like, do they not take holidays? Hello, it's public holiday.

Please, come on. Just, justice never sleeps. Who was sitting in the judge chair, but he scrooge McDuck or something, you know what I mean? Judge David Boyle. Oh, sorry. Our Burke was found guilty and sentenced to hang with the same charge against McDougal found to be not proven so she was let go. She was a widow. As he passed the death sentence against Burke, the judge David Boyle told him, your body should be publicly dissected and

anatomized and I trust that if it is ever customary to preserve skeletons, yours will be preserved in order that posterity may keep in remembrance of your atrocious crimes. Oh wow, so you get to be remembered forever. What a crime. What a punishment. Um McDougal was released at the end of the trial and she returned home. The following day she was confronted by an angry mob who were pissed off that she had been proven not guilty. Well, not proven verdict. She was taken to a police station for her own protection, but after the mob laid seeds to it, she escaped through a back window to the main police station. She loved windows, didn't she?

She got a lovely big window. She tried to see Burke, but permission was refused. She left Edinburgh the next day and there are no clear accounts of her later life. Oh my god, she just escaped. Wow. Burke! Not so lucky. He was hanged on the morning of the 28th of January, 1829, in a crowd possibly as large

as 30,000. No way. If you use from the windows, uh, overlooking- More windows. Overlooking it were- so valuable that people, uh, rented them out, between five to twenty shillings just to get a good- good look of this man hang. F***! A few days later, his corpse was publicly dissected by Professor Monroe.

Secondos. In the anatomy theatre of the university's old college, a riot forced the authorities to grant access and an estimated 30,000 people viewed his corpse. What? They wanted to make sure he was dead. Berg Skellertor. They only estimated it in groups of 30,000 back then. It was actually only about 15 people.

They were always round up. It's either one or 30,000. I'm a scale of one to 30,000, well, it's 15, but that's actually 30,000. Berk's skeleton was given to the anatomical museum of the Edinburgh Medical School where you can still see it to this day. No way! to the anatomical museum of the Edinburgh Medical School, where you can still see it to this day. No way. You can also see a leather notebook that accompanies it that was made out of his skin.

No, no, no, you are joking. There is a leather bound book and that leather is made from his skin. That's disgusting. You know what leather is there, aren't you? Yeah, a burq skin. It's always burq skin. It's amazing how much they got out of you. The thing is if you flatten a human out, you can cover the entire globe with one human

out. Yeah, three times, 30,000 times. Yeah. It would have been better. A hair on the other hand escaped justice completely. There was a riot when people discovered where he was staying, but with the help of police police he was able to slip away into the night and what happened to him is unknown. He piece of shit. He got away, so he pointed the finger at his mate after killing 16 people. He got away with it. Sing it his mate and ran. They were all been there.

And finally. Tell me, tell me you haven't. Tell me you haven't figured a mate and ran away. I'm doing it. And ran until there's figured a mate and then ran away. I do. And ran until there's no record of your existence ever again. Okay Dave, sure. I was planning on doing it tonight. Sorry.

Not with the home of you. I've got other mates. Name three. Trevor? Last name? Trevor? Trevor Trevor. It's a good name.

Oh boy. Where is only friends? He said said little little. Well the same thing as I love to finger one of you. Oh no no Trevor Trevor. We believe in you. Yeah finger Trevor Trevor. You're listening out there Trevor Trevor getting contact at Dave and want to keep. Finger finger Trevor Trevor. Double digits. And finally the surgeon Robert Knox who has been a bit of a bastard throughout the whole episode, he wasn't ever charged, but his actions did cost him his career. He was seen as guilty in the eyes of many and frequently caricatured in the local newspapers.

And that doesn't ruin your career as a doctor. I don't know what will Well, they drew another bloody caricature my head's all big I'll never wake up this town again. Oh, I don't want there got got got hanged and gutted But the real victim here is me. I Look silly in that picture. Thank you. You just turn to his wife. It's my nose really look like that I look like he's like I Don't I don mind always really looked like that. That's what I look like. He's like, he's what I look like. She's like, well, I don't want to say anything mean. Oh, fucking hell. Fucking hell, hell, him.

Jesus. Jesus Christ. You heard of him? Fuck. Well, apart from the caricature, he was also forced to resign from his position as curator at the College of Surgeons Museum, and he was gradually excluded from his university life by his peers. Good. Yeah, rightly so.

Only because they'd be like... Yeah. See that caricature of your own? It was like a dickhead. Look at a fucking idiot. Bonus. Fun facts. Fun is in quotation marks. facts fun facts fun facts fun facts because of Birken here with them because of Birken here and stories of Greybrobbing at grape grape robbing. Grave robbing. Sorry, I meant to say grape robbing. Because of

book in here in store, I don't know if it's possible to be in a room that's so hot that you've like sweat out your linguistic abilities, but I have to not. I keep trying again. It's got to be 45 to 50 degrees in here. And we haven't even complained that much. It's pretty good. Try again. Because of Birkenhair and stories of grave robbing and murdering to supply bodies, legislation was soon introduced after they were arrested. This act authorised dissection on bodies from work houses, unclaimed after 48 hours, and

ended the practice of anatomizing as part of death sentences for murder. So there was finally enough bodies for all. Yeah, because yeah, people are dying so much in the work houses that this heaps and heaps of bodies. Look, that was a fact. Sorry, how about this one? A new word. I'll move on quickly because it's not that fun. A new word was coined from the murderers. Oh Birking. What do you think birking means? Um, fucking you made over. That'd be way better. To smother a victim or to commit an- Oh, that Jesus Christ.

Oh, it was hair as you fucked him over, right? Sorry. I keep getting confused. Yeah, to smother a victim or to commit an anatomy murder. That's birking. Birking. That's gross. Well, bloody Trevor, Trevor, he was birking all night. It took a long time. He's a bloody birker. And finally, I should have been in that. And finally, a rhyme began circulating around the streets of Edinburgh and I will not be able to pronounce this

if my diction is to anything to go by so far, but this is a famous rhyme from Edinburgh. Up the close and doon the stair. A butcher and Ben we burp and hair, a burks the butcher, hairs the thief, knocks the boy that buys the beef. Ah! That is a 19th century in Burr-Rime. And there's been a few movie adaptations and all that kind of stuff, but I didn't watch him. So who cares? That is the end of my book and hair report. Thank you and good night. Actually, I will say the final thing when I was doing my research on this. Often I like to see you, there's any other podcast out there if it's gonna be a fun topic. And there weren't many on this, which was cool.

And then I also looked to see if there's any sort of documentaries on YouTube, there weren't any. But there was a six minute video from the famous English children's show, Blue Peter. Have you heard of Blue Peter? No. It's very famous for being one of the longest running children's shows in history. I think it's been running for about one of the longest running children chosen.

I think it's been running for about five or six decades and every generation of English people grow up with Blue Peter, with different hosts. I don't. Look up Birkin hair Blue Peter because I don't know the kind of fucked up shit that you played to your children's audiences in England. But that's where I learnt the fact about him being his skin being bound into a leather book. That's gross. And at the end of it, it's so good, I'll post this video.

Six minute video, they talk about all the murders, all the crazy stuff, and at the end she goes, and back to our food of the day. Did anyone guess what it was? Anyone? That's right, it's curry! He's cut back down the studio, and she's cooking some sort of curry dish. A beef curry dish. It is, it is outrageous what they of curry dish. A beef curry dish. It is, it is outright just what they're pointing at.

That is so good, it's so good. It's like, murders, leather from skin, curry! Yay! To the pan. I've never seen Blue Peter, I've heard people talk about it before, and I can see the appeal, I really can't. Blue Pads sounds like the name of a serial killer, Blue Peter. There again.

Yeah, big time. He's burping all night. the name of a serial killer, Blue Peter. There again. Yeah. Big time. He's burping all night. Guys, it's time to say thank you for, first of all, downloading, listening to our show in general, and to say a big thank you to everyone that supports the show through Patreon. Patreon.com slash do go on part if you want to get the bonus episodes. If you want to vote on our topics, if you want to get the live video streams if you want to interact with us on a different level you can go to patreon dot com slash do go on pod and we'd also

like to give some shout outs now to some of those beautiful beautiful people shout out shout out to my homies just what you like to to do with Shanna? Yeah, but lately we've been giving them some kind of title or... What could we... What about who their murderer accomplices? Oh yeah! So I'm like, really last name, can we make up? Good one, because all I could think of was how much we think their bodies would be worth, and that seems fucked. Yeah, what you could turn their skin into?

Okay, no, Dave's was better. So I'd like to start with how many things can there be? From Charlotte. That's fun, yeah. From Charlotte, North Carolina, I'm trying to keep talking, so you stop. North Carolina, that's not gonna make me stop talking. That's gonna get me really interested to hear

some sort of fun back about that state. Yeah. It does know that Michael Jordan played college ball in North Carolina? Yeah. And through his career playing for the Bulls, he would wear a Zolt North Carolina shorts underneath his Bull shorts.

Where that in space jam. I wonder if that was a fact that was known by our friend Josh Jones. Good name, Josh Jones. Josh Jones is good. so it's like Jones and Come on don't don't think Jordan Jones and Jordan. Oh good one. That's a good Killer Jordan Jones. I think it'd be I don't have done some great alley you kills Throw the head up don't dunks it slam dunk the neck till it breaks. Oh my god. I hate that

Okay, so thank you very much. Alright, everyone else has done a sea real killer episode and I finally get my shot at greatness and Jess would just shits all over it. Yeah, this is River Dance all over again mate. This is something that you're passionate about. You sick little man. I'm passionate about 1800s and I would also like to thank from Los Angeles. Sydney Scott. Oh, really hoping to say Shineberg because I'm sure he lives there, is there's a Hollywood legend. Yeah, you're right. But I said he was bloody, same letter thing.

Sydney Scott. A letteration. A letterative. Okay, so Sydney, Scott and Shineberg. Oh yeah, can't show them. They probably call them the two Sydney's, they wouldn't they? Yeah, probably. Perfect.

Well, that's what you think, but the two willies never really took off. Yeah, that's right. Why wouldn't there the two willies? That's great. A couple of JJ and SS. Where are you JJ and SS? Matt, who you got? I'd love to thank you for good.

And I think I can. From Mersey from mercy side which I believe is in live appeal Well, that was a great live appeal live appeal better live appeal That's too constant. No, there's a high in the low live appeal please stop Yeah, yeah, it's me no little land. Oh, I live the land and Hutch That's why I was gonna say little land and John and Paul and Ringo. I was thinking I went in when I'm learning and Lenin. Oh, that's good. I wrote some songs that killed some people that didn't at all. I also liked Hutch Because it was a rabbit. Thank you. Yes, Meena. Thank you so much. Yes, man

Sick name as well. Yes, meena Litherland. Beautiful sounds like a J.J. Not J.J. Abrams who wrote Harry Potter? J.K. Rowling. J.K. Rowling It's got a bit of a J.K. Rowling vibe a bit of yes, meena Litherland I can choose to be a good magic student, you know, wizard type school. And I'd also love to think, this name's also sick, from Provo, Utah, Danny Mutz. Danny Mutz. M-U-T-Z.

Mutz and Hut. Mutz and Hut. Mutz and Hut. Yeah. It's pretty good. I'd go there for dinner. What's there special? Muts. Hey, we're doing muts and we're doing good. Hang

on a date. Are they serving up dog? Or are they murderers? What's going on? They're walking here. They're walking here. Hey, hey. This is from Utah. I flew in so close to Provo in Salt Lake City one time, because that's one of the big hub airports. I'm gonna throw up to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. What's the bar like? The bar like in, no. I had a quick, in an out burger or something like some sort of American chain.

American. I imagine all the American chain meals we are going to eat on our American tour. Fuck, American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American. American's legs. Yeah. So they do it in Gary. That's why some people have said it's a mode of capital of America. I don't believe that for a second. I don't believe that for a second. I think you just don't want to believe it. It's a city of love, and it's the city of the century.

Please. It's this thief capital of America, because they steal all our hearts. I'd like to thank a. A beautiful, beautiful soul. I don't want another pretty face. I don't want just anyone to hold. I don't want my love to go to waste. I want you and your beautiful soul.

I'd like to thank the beautiful soul of Tate James. Tate James, who is listening all the way over in Sudbury, Canada. James and... Tate and Tots. What? Tate and Tots. God, you paid money for improv classes. So, she goes around Tate and kills with her partner, Toddlers.

Her partner's a Toddlers? Yeah, tots Well, tape if we did go to the amazing set of Ohio would just be a couple of great lakes away because they Because Sudbury is just over the border in Canada, so thank you so much for listening there. Tate Taden Tot Taden Tots Yeah, no worth correcting. Yeah, you know what Tate? I reckon justate and Tot's. Yeah, yeah, good. Yeah, that worth correcting, yeah. You know what, Tate, I reckon just, uh, don't quit your day job. Don't.

Don't kill for money. Jess, you did mention I did some improv class a little while ago and I think the first rule, which you don't know, because obviously, is no blocking, but it is just not something that you can get. I've told you many times, for free. You're not here in it. Go you there with it. Yes and I do have to go with it. Yes. And Tate and Tots. And never talk publicly

about me doing improv classes again. You've done that several times. Anyway Dave. and finally I would like to thank all the way from Portland, Maine. That's right. Top corner, northeast of the US, US of A. I would like to thank Christy Bryson. Christy Bryson and the Bull. The Bull, sorry Bryson, we really come off second best there. The Bull is a sweet sweet. Yeah, but the Bull as a character very radic. Are you thinking that because Brasson and Brasson?

No. Brasson and the bull. Brasson. What do you mean about me blocking? No, that wasn't blocking, that was questioning. Asking you, I'd ask. I said no, is that a question? Hmm.

I don't know if we've had a listener from Maine before, that's really really cool. A Maine, a Maine man. One of the smaller states there, thank you so much, Shell. Thanks, Christie. Maine listener of Maine. Christie, we appreciate that. Thanks, Christie. On your Christie.

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