Two In The Think Tank - 115 - The BTK Killer

Episode Date: January 3, 2018

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit PlanetBcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On My Name is Dave Warnocky and in 2018 I am joined by two new co-hosts, Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Thank you so much for having me. Born again, Stewart. Yes. I'm a new person. Thank you so much for having me. Born again, Stuart. Yes, I regenerated like they do on the show about doctors. You're shorter.

We're closer. You used to be. That's right. We're closer to what it is. It was that we're close to doctors. But yes, it is great to be here with my Dr. E. Pell's, Jess and Matt. Yeah, we're going to solve illnesses. Yeah. And mysteries. Hell's Jess and Matt yeah, we're gonna solve illnesses

If you solve an illness do you cure it? Oh, do you just identify it? No, no you do both You've got tuberculosis cracked it move on and they're like can you help me? Oh? No, I just a different doctor for that. No, I just identified the problem. Yeah, you are solve move on and they're like can you help me? Oh no I just a different doctor for that. No I just identified the problem. Yeah. You are so move on. We know what you're gonna die from. That's funny. I'm gonna call it down. That's my best joke of the year. Whoa. Well, as in terms of me laughing. Wait. She's gone early. Wait, so that was in town. I thought you were laughing at the thing you said accidentally, but you said it on purpose and then laughed at how funny it was.

No, I said it like, no. No, I can't. She stuffed it up, but she still claimed it as her best joke. Yeah, I love it I love the process. It's nothing nothing is a mistake It's all part of the phrase it guys. I'm doing like night radio and I don't sleep much now and This is the effect, but you talk on Michael day long. All day long, baby. That's how it comes out so naturally.

I actually had a dream fairly recently that I, because I had a bit of a sore throat when I went to sleep. And in my dream, they had to remove my throat. And then I realized that everything I do is talking. Like I should actually ensure my vocal chords. Oh my god, 10 million. We all should. Kim K's done a butt or something,

so surely we can do a vocal. Carly's done a butt. It was terrifying. Dave, you should have your tonsils done, obviously. Obviously. They're already insured. And Matt, you're big balls. Yeah.

Well, don't worry, I've already got the imprint in carbonite. So if anything happens, yeah, your loved ones still have your balls. They'll at least have, you know, something to hold on to. Was that quite expensive to get done to? Yes. So they have the imprint of your balls. Don't you also back them up in the cloud? Yeah, they're backed up. My balls were backed up months ago, so. You got to back them up every morning. What? Just back it up and leave it.

Your balls change every day. That's true. What's happened now? What have, what's happened? I don't know how we got here. Yes. Do you want to explain what the show is? Now, if you haven't heard the show before,

what we do is we get given a topic suggested by a listener and we do a report on it and we take it in turns to do that and it is just as weak. It is my turn and as is tradition I have not written a question. Oh, tradition. Yeah, I'm a traditionalist. We've always said that about me. So I'm going to riff one now. Okay, here we go. No mistakes. All right. Whew. Um. And this one was voted for by our Patreon. Yeah. So Jess is now, I've handed her the Patreon reigns for a few months. Yep. So you know, our Patreon supporting can vote on what you like just a report on. Yeah. So every time I'm going to be doing a topic, I'll put it to you and you get to decide. and I should have known that This would be chosen um, mystery

killer Both oh Okay, I can do this no wrong answers who Terrorized Wichita. The Wichita Grub. For more than 25 years. The Wichita, the Wichita Linesman, what's the song? Which could be about a killer. The line they Wich and the wardrobe. Okay, there is not a clue in Wichita. Wichita, Wichi Woman. I'd said there isn not a clue in witcher term. Witcher, witchy woman? I'd said there isn't a clue. Witchy woman. Witchy witchy witch.

Witchy witch. Witchy witch. Is there some sort of, so the terrorizing, is there some sort of killer? Perhaps. It's not like a moth man type thing. It's not a moth man type thing. Okay, so it is a killer.

Okay, like the big ones are like John Wayne, I don't know about this people from John Wayne Gacy. The Clown killer. I hadn't heard. It's three initials if that helps at all. Three initials. Bap, bap, bap. All the way with LBJ. Oh!

People suggest this the BTK? Yes, correct. The BTK killer. People often maybe face with message and tweeted, I think. Right. Because perhaps people have... I love when people, this happens quite a bit, especially from American listeners.

They proudly tweet in the name of a killer from their state. Yes, and that is the case. Oh, is that the case? Sean and Mallow has suggested this because Sean or Izan Kansas, where the BTK killer is from. Yes, it's... I was thinking of Kansas. Maybe it's, maybe this only happened once. Someone proudly faced the message of me saying that, yeah, it's the, they terrorized Kansas. Where I'm from. Well, there's a couple other people that have suggested as well. Sarah

Kloff and Luke Zilk. I mean, also emailed in. Possibly Sarah. Possibly. Yeah. So, BTK killer. BTK. Also, BTK killer. So the K is for someone else is K for cancers. No, it actually think it is one of those ATM type things where you know you say ATM machine right because is the K for killer? No Oh, sort of sort of I will explain okay. No, we'll give it a way. Brian the killer. Brian the killer. You nailed it in one. And yet they remained at large for 25 years, because really their name was Greg. That's how they fucking get you. The police were like, well, I've got DNA match to Greg,

but this person's Brian the killer. So we'll let him go. See you later, Greg. See you, Greg. Sorry. Sorry about that. Can I drive you home? What? No, because you got bodies in the basement. Oh, Greg, you cracked me out. Greg, you are an absolute character. God, if I had, if I had my way, I'd call you Brian. But you're Greg, so you're free.

What? What? Have we mentioned that it's hard on here? It's so hard. It's summer. Um, okay. So on the 15th of January 1974, Joseph Atero, his wife, Julie, summer. Okay, so on the 15th of January, 1974, Joseph Atero, his wife Julie,

and their children Joseph and Josephine, not creative, were found murdered in their home on North Edgemore Street in Wichita. The stories shook the community because a cry of this nature was unheard of. Joseph and Julia were found in their bedroom, both had been bound and strangled. Joseph Jr., who was, was founded in another bedroom, also bound and suffocated. And Josephine, who was eleven, was found in the basement, hanging from a water pipe.

Oh, yeah, I should have wanted this, it gets pretty gruesome. Oh my God, dead. Hanging dead. Oh, yep. Oh, picture like. I mean, I don't know. So maybe she was the loathe survivor or something, yeah. No, like a noose. Like she was like, Mrs. Par, picture like me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I was particularly surprised that the killer had spent time watching the house, taking note of the comings and goings of the family and knowing when people would be home. But they had no leads.

Three months after the atero murders on the 4th of April, police were called to the home of 21-year-old Catherine Bright, who lived just two miles away. Catherine and her brother Kevin had come home and were confronted by a person who'd been waiting in Catherine's closet with a gun. There was a struggle between the attacker and Kevin who'd struggled free after being bound to a chair. Kevin was shot in the side of the head. The killer thought Kevin was dead, but in fact he was only knocked unconscious after being shot in the side of the head. Oh, how was Kevin? He's, I'm not sure. I think he's older than Catherine. All right, so he's not a child. No, they're like early late teens early 20s.

This person targeting people siblings with similar sounding names. No, no. No. Okay. Thank you for your suggestion. Okay, I'm just trying to crack the case. Apparently, you've just been at large for 25 years. Yeah, and you're doing great. Keep those suggestions coming. There's no mistakes. We said that early. No mistakes. It's too early to go with more people. I mean, I should they definitely have access to that basement. It's never too early to go to more people. Matt's already gone, Matt's already gone quiet because he does not like the murdery ones. No, I'm not a big, oh look, you know.

It's because you remember that they're people. Yeah. Whereas I just hear like a spooky story, you know, forget that they're real people. I, yeah, and I actually, yeah, I don't, yeah. It's, so a lot of people have died so far. Kevin hasn't. Oh, thank God.

Kevin's fine. I'll tell you more about Kevin. So Kevin came too and he could hear that his sister was being attacked so he went to help her, but he was shot in the face. So now he's been shot in the side of the head and the face. He stumbles outside. What? And he was found by a passerby who called for emergency services.

Catherine had been stabbed three times in the abdomen, but she was still alive. However, she did unfortunately die later in hospital, but Kevin survived. It's like the toughest kids ever. Yeah, Kevin survived the attack. So he's shot in the side of the head and in the face, and he lived. But because of the extent of his injuries, police felt that his recollection or description of the killer might not be all that reliable because he probably didn't see all that well. What with being shot in the face. So this is all in 1974. Right, so there's

an early 1974. In the December, the police made a few arrests in relation to the murders. And the media subsequently reported about people being in custody for those murders that had happened earlier in the year. And this is when the police received their first written communication from the BTK killer. So just before this had they connected the two crimes, or was it two separate murders?

Two separate murders. Right, because I suppose one's suffocation, one's gun. Yeah. And they're not like one's suffocation one's gun. Yeah. And they're not, like it's a, I mean, it's a decent sized city. It's like a population of 500,000. So it's not huge, but it's... Right, it's not like, you know, everyone's being murdered. Yeah, exactly.

So they don't, it's so unheard of that they're kind of going, what's going on here? But they're not really thinking at this stage that, there's a serial killer. Yeah. So in October of 74, so just before they'd made these arrests, a man called the Wichita Eagle newspaper and told them they would find a letter in the Wichita. He was called the Wichita Eagle newspaper.

He called the witcher tar he called the witcher tar a man called the witcher tar eagle news he found them oh fuck you know called that is fascinating name or he's panicked when giving a fake name. Which is a Eagle newspaper? That's the name of our newspaper. Gotta go. Bye. He's looking around. He sees a sign for which it's a... He sees an eagle flying outside.

So he called him on the telephone. The newspaper. I think I get it now. He called them on the telephone. Oh my god. Hello on the telephone, the newspaper. I think I get it now. He called them on the telephone. Oh my God. Hello on the telephone. Hello, hello. Hello.

Hello on the telephone. It's me, Widgetell, Eagle newspaper. Hello, Widgetell. What can I do for you? Sorry. All right, we'll let this one slide. Hey, Tolon, they would find a letter in the Widgetell Public Library hidden in an engineering

book. Police retrieved the letter from the book and determined it was definitely from the person who had committed the murders. Now, the letter described the Otero crime scene in great detail, and only the killer could have known all the details that were outlined in the letter. So it like described their house and the crime scene and how they were found and stuff like that. So it's...

Curtains were pink. It's him. I was saying. Or an interior decorator would notice that such a thing. That's such a funny thing that the, you know, I guess in a lot of ways, serial killers aren't normal, right?

Aren't normal people. In so many ways now, yes. But like, I would have thought most people's instinct was would be to commit a crime and then not to contact the newspaper and the police and make sure everyone knows who you are. Yeah, well in one of the dockos that I watched which this first half is mostly based on because it was really comprehensive. But there was a police, sorry, yeah, a profiler and she she was talking about the behaviors of serial killers. And she said exactly that, like, it's, it's actually quite rare. Like, Hollywood makes it sound like serial killers play a lot of cat and mouse with the police, but that's actually incredibly rare. Most of them

would sort of commit their crimes and then stay quiet because then they can keep committing their crimes. Whereas this is a kind of different in that they play the game and they want the attention. So he signed off the ladder with what would become his trademark, which is BTK, bind torture kill. I've got a bind torture kill killer. That is an horrific sign off. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty creepy. I don't want to turn on this, go, Ali,

but I think he might be a bit of a fuckhead. Interesting. I will wait till I hear more evidence. Very good, David. I don't go, Ali. He never goes, Ali. He never goes, Ali. Except on rivet pants.

Yeah, he went to, Ali. And then, yeah. And our friendship suffered for it. Hey, we've recovered. Have we? We've been through therapy. I promise you that when we tour to Dublin, we will all go to the ribbon ends.

I can't wait for that. I will get to here again. So alive. So was that my talk about doing a UK and Ireland tour? Mm. Do you want that? Yes, that's why I brought it up. No, I was asking the listener.

Ritorical. Actually, it's not rhetorical. Let us know. I know of course, Matt. Let us know the listener if you want that. Let us know the listener. You're calling yourself the listener. Girl, this is confusing.

Let me call them on the phone. Make a phone call on a telephone. They dialed a number and they picked up. The recipient of said phone call picked up their receiver and said, Ola, and then they said, I'm sorry, wrong number. And then they rediled the correct fine number. And the recipient answered and said, which is a Eagle newspaper, Carol speaking.

Oh, Carol. Carol, it's, I'm, oh, I suppose to give a fake name here. Hold on, let me call you back. I think of something. I've probably said too much. Don't try this number. It is my actual house.

I forgot that you should use a payphone, oh fuck. Oh no. Say hi, sit by Carol. So he signed off the letter, BTK, and he also threatened more killings to happen. Police recruited more officers to work on the case, but the trail went cold. And the BTK killer wasn't heard from for another three years.

Three years. Which is also rare, that there would be like a big gap. In March of 1977, a man approached a child on the street and showed the boy a picture of a person and asked if the boy knew the person in the photo or if that person lived this address. The child said they didn't know the person and they went inside.

So, it's an animal towards the negative, too? Yes. Have you seen this boy? Ah! That's exactly it, yeah. Or the Wayne's World Rupuff? Hmm. Which is much the same. It's actually not Arnold Schwarzenegger, it's um...

The ortho glasses. Yeah. Yeah, cool. Ed Harris. No. Ed Harris. Not Ed Harris. Wrong Harris. Robert Patrick. I'm

at Robert Patrick everyone. Yes, I like Terminator 2, but not as much as you're sorry. Robert Patrick, the other Harris, as well. Robert Patrick Harris. So he said, have you had, do you know this boy? And the, and the child was like, no, and a way they went. No way. No way. LAY! LAYDA, the same man appeared at the door and forced his way into the house.

He locked the children in the bathroom. Is this the boy that he'd spoken to? Yeah. Right. The oldest child, who was eight, helped his six-year-old brother and four-year-old sister climb out of the tiny window in the bathroom. So brave, Hadoop. Their mother, Shirley Vianne, was found by police, bound and strangled.

Like at the Otero crime scene, there was seam and left behind, but there was no sign of sexual activity at either of the crime scenes with any of the victims. So please soon realize that this is a sexually motivated serial killer. Wait, what? He's jacking at it there at the crime scene while they're dying. Right. What are the kids? What are the eight role do you get out? Yeah, the kids all got out. That's good map. That is good. Kids are fine. Oh, fucking hell. They know. Oh my god. I had a good feeling because the only way we would have known that the boy had spoken number four was if he survived. But I was hoping they all pulled through. I love when this details like that. You always do that. You're like, how do we know

that? You get so excited. It's lovely. The best description the police could get from the children, though, was that he was a white man about mummy's age. The children were able to tell police that he had a black bag with him and a gun, which police had suspected because they thought that he had brought his own tape and rope, et cetera, with him. He's bringing his own tools, I guess.

Yeah. But that was about it. That was the only sort of thing I could get out of the children, because he's bringing his own tools, I guess. Yeah, so but that was about it. Like that was the only sort of thing I could get out of the children because the eldest one is, ah, he's like their little kids. It's not just sick, escape, them getting out. Yeah, fuck.

Yeah, it was a really small window apparently. Because of the similarities in the crimes, police were fairly confident that the suspect was the same person who had murdered the otero family, but were thrown off by the three-year gap between murders. The police made the decision not to give credit to the BTK killer in the hopes that he would make that would make him get in contact with them because he'd previously wanted credit for his murders. Right, so had they published that letter earlier that they found in the engineering?

No. All right, so they didn't. They haven't published anything. So the probably don't know that there's someone called the beef. No, so the public obviously, like, I mean, the news is still reporting on murder's happening. Right, but no one's. There was two in 1974, three years later,

there's another one, like it's not, it's still awful, of course, but it's not like it's happening every day. And they're not connecting the dots. Exactly. So they're hoping that, so the police are hoping that by kind of not giving in what he wants, that he'll reach out to them. So in December of that year, in 1977, a man called the police dispatch and told them that... A man called the police dispatch. Just a few may not most of these names.

Just a few made up most of these names Hello, I am the police dispatch. Hello police. Disable for two Right police dispatch what time is your can you on that table? 8 p.m. Well, that's gonna be difficult. We usually have two sessions one at seven or one at nine nine thirty would be great Thank you police dispatch can I have a trip number for that? No 911 all right You sure I can get you there. Okay, see you at 930 a man made a phone call to the police dispatch He picked up his phone. He dialed 911 Somebody picked up the phone and said police dispatch, dispatch. He said, how do you know my name? This is getting weird.

There's a spooky. So he called and he told them that you will find a homicide at 843 South Purshing, Nancy Fox. That's all he said. What the caller didn't know was that the dispatch had just introduced a new system, caller ID. Oh no, it's UC's buddy home phone number. The dispatcher knew exactly where the call was coming from and police officers were there,

police officers were there within two minutes. The caller had come from a pay phone and a gas station and when police got there there was no one there. Police officers were also sent to the address, so 843 South Pershing. Apparently they weren't told why they were being sent there, they've just been a call to go check it out. So they walked around the perimeter of the property and noticed that a window at the back of the house was broken and a telephone line was cut. And the officers knew they'd given recent events that they were gonna find a body if they entered that house.

So they didn't go inside. They didn't go in, they just... I don't wanna see a body in that. Right, it's a body. Yeah, see that. That woman is both dead and alive, and I'd prefer alive. All right, see ya.

So Nancy Fox, who was a 25-year-old part-time secretary, was found inside the house, and she was faced down on the bed again, bound, and she had been strangled. So the police turned their attention to the phone call, because again, there's like, there's DNA evidence, but there's no matches. They can't find anything, and keeping in mind is the 70, so it's not quite as up to date as we probably are now, obviously. So they turned their attention to the phone call. They had a witness who pulled up to use the pay phone,

and obviously it was occupied, so they went into the gas station to get changed, came out, and the person was gone, and the phone was just hanging from the, what's it called? The receiver. Oh yeah. It's always left hanging in rubies and things. Yeah, it will arrive then.

It's just sort of swinging in the wind. Very dramatically left hanging, that's right. So Yeah, it arrived then. It's just sort of swinging in the wind. Very dramatically left hanging in the start. So I guess they're just taking off the thing so no one can call in or something? Or is it just from a struggle? Or I think it's usually like, be there at six. Let's drop it. Right, right.

Yep. Oh, that's what happens in the movies. I don't know if this guy did that. So once again though, the description was white male, 5 out of 5, 9, light hair. Mummy's age. It was a very broad and very vague description. So once again though the description was white male, 5 out of 5, 9 light hair. Mummy's age. It was a very broad and very vague description so nothing all that useful.

So the BTK killer had now taken the lives of seven victims and the police were still struggling for a solid lead. I mean there are also different types of people like a mum like this is a 25-year-old. Yeah. I don't know if she's single but you know on, on her own, the first one was a whole family. Like, it's crazy. Yeah, it's quite a lot of, there's no sort of pattern. And that's something that keeps coming up for them.

There was a cool quote from the chief of plays at the time, was like, the only thing that was consistent was that it was inconsistent. It's like, that's beautiful. He's like, I wrote that. I wrote that. My wife thought that was amazing. I practiced that in front of the mirror. She said, chief, which he calls me, which I like that. My wife thought that was amazing. I practiced that in front of the mirror.

She said, chief, which he calls me, which I like. You, you're going to nail this press conference. And I have, until I start talking about this moment. Any questions about the killer? Are you working way too hard for way too little? There's never been a better time to consider a career in IT. You could enjoy a recession-resistant career in a rewarding field, with plenty of growth opportunities and often flexible work environments. Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the

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killer sent a postcard to the Wichita Eagle newspaper. Why is it, why is he involved? Why is he sending him? Why is he sending him? Because he's friends. Right. The postcard. Wish you were here. It had a poem called,

Shirley Lox and it was signed BTK. It made references to Shirley Vian and also mentioned Nancy Fox. And the 11, this is interesting. The letter never made it to the newsroom as it was sent to the wrong department. They incorrectly thought it was like a Valentine's Day letter or something. So it never published it on Valentine's Day and their love letters with those little love heart pictures. Oh fuck. No. Send it to the Valentine's Department.

Oh, was that wrong? Just under two weeks later, BTK sent another letter, this time to cake TV, K-A-K-E TV. That sounds like a community station. It was like, no, it's one of the biggest stations in the city. Because of which, a eagle hadn't published his first letter, the second letter started with a question, how many people do I have to kill before I get some publicity? Creepy. That's the question you should have started this episode with.

Fuck, you're right. Damn it! I'm not good at this. What I said, none just. Just make up to a post or talk to a... Call the eagle newspaper. Yeah. He'll know what to do. Right. Just give him your press release.

Ah. In the letter he admitted to all of the murders and left detailed drawings and information about the crimes and the chief of police who I mentioned before Richard Le Mungion I love this chief. Yeah, he's awesome. He appeared on TV 10 news to discuss the crimes and alert the community to the fact that there was a serial killer and that the police did not have a solid lead You better believe he used his line the only thing that's consistent is his inconsistent. Yeah, Chief, you said that. That's a helpful chief.

You said that four times a three minute interview. He later admits that the press conference was orchestrated to firstly warn the public, but also to encourage the killer to communicate with them in writing, rather than sending them more bodies. So like we acknowledge you now, just write to us, don't kill more people, please. This is not how normal people talk. Yeah. Let's use our words, not our bodies. Oh, well actually. Body language. Yeah, sometimes. Chief, you've done it again. The announcement caused panic in the community and police were dispatched to homes because people didn't feel safe. So the police

encouraged people to call them to come out and do house checks if they, you know, if they got home and something didn't seem quite right. They encouraged them to call them if they needed someone to do house work. Just come check, you know, I'll vacuum. So they check the premises, of course, they check the closets, guns drawn, in order for people to feel safe in their homes. So it's really, it's causing quite a stir. It's basically like a mum or a dad going into a little kids bedroom.

I'll check in and they'll go, look, no monster in there. Yeah, yeah, gun drawn. It's exactly that. Like a mum or a dad in America. I'm gonna do it. I'll always fit you saying there's a monster in there. No monster on the bed.

Don't worry, Timmy, if there's a monster, he's got three bullets in his skull. Okay, no, no. Mum, the monster's bleeding. Shut up Tim. Oh, the dog was under there. The dog was a monster all along. The monster was within us all along.

So again, BTK disappeared and he wasn't heard from for another year until April of 1979. So on a, on a particular night of the week, let's say, let's say Wednesday. I'm not sure exactly what night of the week. I could look up what day, I'm gonna look up what day of the week that was. I'm guessing a Friday. I forgot a Friday night feeling about it. Okay, I want to say, I was gonna say Wednesday. Do you feel that? Also, his name is Robert Patrick. Saturday. Saturday.

Saturday. Saturday. Saturday. Saturday. Saturday. Normally on a Saturday night, Anna Williams, who was a woman in her 60s, she was always out at some sort of event, let's say a class or a social thing. Dave, fill in a bit of colour there.

Yeah, what do you reckon Anna would be doing? Ah, ballet, in the 60s. Okay, yep. She's doing scenes ballet. I'm going to say seniors underwater ballet. Underwater ballet. Saturday night. Yeah, and pottery class.

Oh, only one. Yeah. Gosh, she's busy. What month are the years this? This is in April. Oh, okay, that could be warm enough, maybe. Oh, outdoor pool, you think. Yeah. Gosh, he's busy. What month of the year is this? This is in April. Ooh. Okay, that could be warm enough, maybe.

Outdoor pool, you think? Yeah. Wow. Saturday night. That's okay. That's party time. The recipe for an immobile. Do you picture the pottery wheels floating on floating devices or on the side of the pool so

they do their ballet then they come potter? No, I was imagining they would sort of do some potting and then change into their togs in the pool. One, then the other, not at the same time. Backwards and forth, backwards and forwards. Maybe two groups, they're like tag each other out. Oh yeah, that works too. Just the pools like that big. That's true. It's community. And then they can use the water from the pool to wet the clay. Yeah. And also wash the clay off their hands in the pool. It's very clay. Yeah, it's a very brown pool. Ballet gets harder and harder.

But they really build up their muscles, resistance training. Perfect. Which is what I assumed she was doing on a Saturday night when something normal happened. Well, she would normally be home at the same time. but on this particular night, the 28th of April, she didn't come home and instead she decided to stay with her daughter. When she returned home the next day, her house had been broken into and the telephone line had been cut. She thought it was just a sort of a standard robbery. Obviously she was a bit like creved out by her, but she was like, okay, well,

in robbed, lucky I wasn't here. Several months later, though, a letter was sent that had some of Anna's personal items in it, and some very graphic drawings. Now, like in all the interviews on the documentary, they wouldn't explain what the drawings were, but for like grown men to be like, oh, it probably wasn't good. The letter asked Anna why she hadn't come home. I also sent to her. Yeah, and it implied that she would have been victim number eight. She was months later, she got that.

Couple months later. So she was really disturbed by the event. Like all the police were saying that like it, it upset her and like obviously made her feel really uncomfortable and unsafe, but all women in the community were feeling really unsafe by that point. And it was so deeply disturbed by it all that she actually moved into state for fear that the BTK killer would return for her. So she left her home.

Are you going to do the same? Absolutely, terrifying. I'm going to do that. And again, with no patent and no link between the victims, please, we're completely stumped. So we've gone from a family to a single mum, just a single woman, to a woman in her 60s. Right, doesn't make... You'd always be looking over your shoulder.

Even if you moved into state, like with this person, that's a range and they want you. Yeah, why? But you don't know and they want you. Yeah, why? But you don't know if they want you specifically or you just have to be the target at that time. I just wouldn't. No, exactly. You wouldn't know. So of course you would think that.

Is it Kansas and Ice Place Dave? I've never heard anything bad about it. That's where a total on that's from right. Correct. And also the chiefs, maybe in football. Kansas City Chafes. I forgive again. Every time I ask that generally, in every time.

You look at us like we should know. Yeah, that's dumb on your part. Is the capital to Peacock? Is that the capital? It's all in there. Is it another girlfriend from Boy Meets World? Ah, I think it is. It's a panger.

Oh, it is to pick us, the capital. And the band Kansas had a hit song with Dust in the Wind, which was sung at Blues Funeral in Old School. Yeah, my boy, Blue. Great tune. Also, they play at the end of Ancomam when the credits roll. Who is Blue? Blue is the old fellow in old school.

Oh, sorry, I thought that was a person. Yeah, my boy, blue. Yeah, he's a person. Can I go on? Please do. The police then released the Nancy Fox phone call and the hope that someone would recognize the voice, but no one came forward. phone call and the hope that someone would recognize the voice but no one came forward. Other ones saying there's been a murder blah blah.

In the early 80s a task force was put together to work full time on the BTK killer case. There were eight police officers dedicated to the task and the task force was called Ghost Busters. No. Yes. Are you shitting me? I'm not shitting you. Is this before the movie Ghostbusters. No. Yes. Are you shitting me? I'm not shitting you. Is before the movie Ghostbusters?

Possibly. I think it must be right. Early 80s? Maybe that's, it must be across over. It was like 84, I think, that started. Maybe they were inspired by the movie. Possibly, yeah. 1984 film.

Yeah, there you go. So it was around the same time. So they call themselves Ghostbusters. It's like naming yourself up for a comedy now. Grandhog day. That's it. You see you've Bill Murray. Yeah, a catty-check. Okay. What about Barry Murray Christmas? The Darjeeling Limited. The Royals. No, the Royal Tenor Balls. All right, fun game. Apparently, their attention turned to the letters that had been sent, which were typed

on a typewriter. However, the letters were actually photocopies of the originals, and the copy takes a larger image than the original, so therefore they couldn't narrow down the the make of the typewriter. Oh, that's genius. But, with the help of Xerox, they were able to figure out the make of the copy machine, and even the roll length of paper, which meant they could narrow it down to a copier in the library of Wichita State University. Wow. The one copy.

There was one in Wichita State University and then one at the library, which is where the letter was first. That's good police work. Stashed in the engineering. I was thinking about that with the letter. Obviously no security cameras there. Yeah. At a public library. Wonder if that would be the case now,

if they'd be able to figure someone out with that. I think yeah, I think they could probably, if this had happened today, I think there would have been a lot more ways for them to find him a lot quicker. But the, so even with the help of Zurich, it wasn't that helpful because the library is obviously quite public and anyone could have access to it. So it didn the help of Syracuse, it wasn't that helpful because the library is obviously quite public and anyone could have accessed it. So it

didn't narrow it down. They were thinking maybe as a student, I don't know. After two years and no success, the Ghostbusters task force was shut down and that was in 1986. About a month later though, there was another murder and this time it was a woman called Vicky, where gel? Where girl? Where gel? And the ghost buses met and discussed the murder, but they concluded it was not the BTK killer. They're like, not related.

It was too consistent with the other murders to be BTK. Now let's jump forward to March of 2004. What? What happened in the intervening time? So that's what 18 years forward. Yep. The Wichita Eagle received another letter. The letter contained three photographs,

one of which was a photocopy of Vicky Wajeele's driver's license which had gone missing after her murder. The letter had the return address Bill Thomas Killman, BTK. So that was in. Also Killman, he's like, maybe they won't get it unless I put the word Killman. Yeah. Good. Going like Kirkwood. Yeah. Cronenberg disease Etc. Other names ending with K. Killin. Kill no, that's similar to Killman. Killer. Killer. There we go. The killers kill bought three thousand So that was March 2004 in December so in this intervening time there'd been no letters or murders Matt couldn't hear anything for 18 years

So in this intervening time there'd been no letters or murders. Mad, I hadn't heard anything for 18 years. Wow. In December, Wichita police received another package from the BTK killer. This time the package was found in Wichita's Murdoch Park and had the driver's license of Nancy Fox, which was noted as stolen from the crime scene, as well as a doll that was symbolically bound at the hands and feet and had a plastic bag tied over its head. Fuck it. In January of 2005, a serial box was attempted to be left in the bed of a pickup truck at Home Depot,

in Wichita, but the box was discarded by the truck's owner. It was only later retrieved from the trash after the BTK killer asked what had become of it in a later message. So they're like, I left a serial box. Why didn't you do anything with it? They're like, we never got that. In the back of someone's truck. So weird. How would you think it was going to get fans? Zero killer, zero box. They did the fucking maths, mate. That's good. That is good. I'm sorry. I don't move as fast as you. You know that. So don't make fun. Just be happy. You're good. All right. Sorry, Dave. Here we start to get a bit more like technology because obviously we've gone from the early 80s to

2005 so surveillance tape of the parking lot from that date revealed a distant figure driving a black Jeep Cherokee Leaving the box in the pickup in February more postcards were to CAKE TV and another serial box left at a rural location was found to contain another bound doll, apparently meant to symbolise the murder of 11-year-old Josephine Otero. In his letter to police BTK asked if his writings, if put on a floppy disc, could be traced or not. The police answered his question in the newspaper ad posted in the Wichita Eagle saying it would be safe to use a floppy disk. On February 16, 2005, he sent a purple 1.44 megabyte floppy disk to Fox TV and police found metadata embedded in a deleted Microsoft Word document that was unbeknownst to BTK on the floppy

disc. Ha! Holy crap, they're going to get in because of a floppy disc. The metadata contained Christ Lutheran Church, and the document was marked as last modified by Dennis. An internet search determined that a Dennis raider was president of the Church Council. So, a little bit of background on Dennis Raider. He was born in Pittsburgh, but he grew up in Wichita. He spent four years.

He was a red-hairing Dave. Do you think he left that metadata on their own purpose? Yeah, because he's just played it done by asking if I left some metadata of my friend, Dennis, on there. Would you think it was him? The answer to the newspaper, absolutely not. No, we wouldn't, no, for sure. Dennis spent four years on the Air Force

and then worked in the meat department of an IgA supermarket. He married Paula Deetz on the 22nd of May 1971 and they had two children. He attended Butler County Community College in El Dorado, earning an associate degree in electronics in 73, and he enrolled in Wichita State University and graduated in 1979 with a bachelor's in administration of justice.

Is that the uni where the photocopy was? And I was about a similar time. But he started killing when he had a child, which is fucking fucked. He was a member of the Chrysler and the R killing when he had a child, which is fucking fucked. He was a member of the Kwast Lutheran Church and had been elected president of the Church Council. He was also a Cubscat later. He was a, um, he worked as a dog catcher in the community. So several of the dogs were murdered, but no one noticed.

From the home depot incident, the police also knew that the BTK owned a black Jeep Cherokee, which I mentioned before. What? So when investigators drove past Raider's house, they noticed a black Jeep Cherokee parked outside. That's how scumbag. The police had strong circumstantial evidence against Raider, but they needed more direct evidence to detain him. They obtained a warrant to test the DNA of a Pap smear Raider's daughter had taken at Kansas State University Medical Clinic when she was a student. The DNA of the Pap smear was processed by the Kansas Bureau of Investigation and demonstrated a familiar match to the DNA on the sample taken from one of the victims. So this indicated that the killer was closely related to raiders' daughter and this was evidence enough for the police to make an arrest. So this was a mystery episode. Oh shit.

So the docker that I watched was made before 2005 or it was made like it finishes up with them making an arrest but they're like, oh, they're men, but it was all pre-nat. Oh, cool. We'll link it. Oh, fuck. That's awesome. It didn't even do the math when she said mystery for 25 years, 1971. That's longer than 25 years ago. No, that's awesome. That was a war. I just said mystery.

I didn't heed 25 years. Did I? That was awesome. I never actually said the word mystery either. Fuck. Let's go back to the tape. Let's restart this. I don't need it. That's so funny. Yeah, that's so funny. I think that maybe he says like a loaded police for that 25 years or something.

But anyway, we who terrorized which is half a 25 years. Oh, I just assumed that he was caught, but yeah, maybe he could have just died. We will link to that documentary, too, in this episode. But how crazy is that? That firstly, it was metadard or in a floppy disk. Also, remember floppy disks? Yeah, they're the hard ones, right? Yeah.

The floppy ones are hard disks. The big ones with the holes in the middle that you guys probably don't remember? No. Yes, too big. The real skinny ones. Who was using those in 2005? It wasn't in 2005. Dennis, you're f*****.

Mate, say they're wrong. We might have been so at school then. Say they. Dennis, you're f***head. Mate, CD, ROM. Oh, we might have been sort school then. CD, R, R. When you're in year nine. Yeah. Using a floppy disk. Rookin, we definitely didn't use seven and eight. I don't remember, I don't think floppy disk we used.

Still like the square ones. Yeah, that's... Yeah. Anyway. It was all CDs, but that's so surely. No, well we had floppy disk like saved stuff on at school though. Yeah, right. Tom's weird, isn't it?

So weird. Anyway. Did you go up in the affluent East or not? Oh my god. Doesn't sound like it. Yeah, I had Floppy disks. I had all sorts of different colours. One for each class.

Shut up. But, and then how cool is it that they like use DNA from his daughter? I think that's pretty cool. That makes fucking god in. Feel a bit violent, that's her, but anyway. Well, I mentioned it to Pepsi, that's pretty cool. That makes fucking God in. I feel a bit violent as her, but anyway. Well, I mentioned a pap's being that's violation enough. Ha ha ha. You guys can't relate. Anyway.

So, Raider was arrested while driving near his home in Park City shortly after noon on February 25th, 2005. An officer asked, Mr. Raider, do you know why you're going downtown and Raider replied, oh, I have suspicions, why? Oh. Which are to police, as well as other organizations like the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, the FBI, they searched his home and vehicle, they seized evidence including computer equipment,

a pair of black pantyhose retrieved from a shed and a cylindrical container. The church he attended, he's church, he's office at City Hall and the main branch of the Park City Library were also searched and at a press conference the next morning, which a police chief Norman Williams announced the bottom line is BTK is arrested. It's really cool. That's the same chief? No, a different chief because quite a few years later But the chief says that and everybody just applauds like it's a huge relief in the in the city Really cool people are gonna so he let a church He was president of like the church committee. We had an office at city hall Yeah, cuz he was he worked as a dog catcher and a compliance officer there so on February this is

Like finishing up on February 28, 2005, Raider was charged with 10 counts of first degree murder. At Raider's August 18th sentencing, victims' families made statements after which Raider apologized in a rambling 30-minute monologue, but the prosecutor likened to an Academy Award acceptance speech, like he was just sort of rambling and it's weird, because he should have played him off. There's footage of him speaking and he's like, I mean, he's quite eloquent and you probably wouldn't

really know just talking to him what he's capable of. Yeah, I guess if he's been elected the president of the church, he's probably trustworthy. Did he explain? Yeah, he talks, well, yeah, he talks a little bit about it, but he also talks about, like there's not a heap, I haven't seen a heap of him speaking, and I haven't seen this acceptance speech type monologue, but when he's talking, he talks about serial killers, like as if he's read up on them, it's really interesting. Just because

you're like, no, that's you, like you're talking about you there. But he's very matter of fact, and he's very, like he's just answering all the questions. It's almost like he was kind of like, all right, you got me. Really strange. Because it was like he wanted to, like, why was he, I don't know, he kept reaching out, like he sort of wanted to be. Yeah. Yeah, like over a decade of gone past and people had the case had gone cold, he could have stayed underground. Yeah. And what's interesting too is like as soon as he was arrested,

his wife was given like an immediate divorce. Like none of the paperwork just nut your divorce frame. Really? Yeah, just strange. Is she spoken about it? Not that I'm not the only one. Magic. We've got two kids too.

How would you feel? Imagine if that was your dad. Yeah, and it was happening when you were all living together. So you're going, oh, so he just that night he went out, oh, fucking. Yeah. Oof. He was sentenced to 10 consecutive life sentences with a minimum of 175 years. Okay.

Kansas has no death penalty at the time of the murders. And on the 19th of August, he was moved to the El Dorado Correctional Facility. According to witnesses, he talked about innocuous topics such as the weather during the 40-minute drive to El Dorado, but began to cry when the victim's family's statements from the court proceedings came on the radio. So maybe he has some sort of remorse, I don't know. He is still currently in prison, according to what I could find. He's now in solitary confinement for his protection, because I don't think serial killers would be too popular in prison. And he gets one hour of exercise a day and showers three times a week. And that is his life for the rest of his existence.

Right. And how old is he, vaguely now? Good question. He is 72. Wow. Okay. So he was sort of... He was born in 45, so the first time he was like any 30s maybe? Right, 20s, early 30s. And they didn't get him till he was in his early 60s. Yeah. Wow, that is absolutely crazy. Yeah, what a story, huh? So that is my report on the BTK killer.

Good stuff, JP. Stuffed JP. I had you hang in there like it was a mystery. I thought it was a mystery. And I knew the whole time who it was, but I didn't, I didn't say it. Well you could have stopped a lot of people dying. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It's old me. I said shut up dad. Just to clarify, YbTK killer is not my father, John Perkins. Dennis. He is a normal human being who's never been to Wichita.

And his name was Dennis. Dennis. I mean, have a look at him. Like he, oh, he looks a bit like a serial killer. Yeah. Like you can see it. Totally, but like a lot of sort of middle-aged dads do. If you put a serial killer lens on a lot of dads,

you're like, oh yeah, that man would kill. I'm just a dad. Any mugshot makes you look like a serial killer. And a way, doesn't it? Yeah, anything that's sort of like, I don't know, if you're bolding, you're more likely to kill. Sure.

You're not saying? No, you know, you look like one. So yeah, there we go. Well, thank you so much for everyone. All the sickos that requested that topic. I'm sorry if I missed anyone. If there might have been people who have made suggestions more recently that either in the new hat or we haven't seen yet, sorry, but there you go, that's what the report was fascinating.

Thank you so much, Matt, that means a lot to me. No, I did enjoy that. I will not kill you. Should we thanks some Patreon people and give them serial killer names? Oh, wow, okay. No, too far. That doesn't want to. Never mind. Why am I meant, yeah, right, something like BTK.

Now let's give them nice three letter. What do you call those things, initialism names? Okay. Is that an initialism? Yeah, let's give them initialisms. Let's give them initialisms. It's hard to say. All right, well, shall I kick?

Please. Yes, we just like to thank people through the support that's right through Patreon, patreon.com.slushtu.com on pod. You get stuff in exchange for supporting the pod, including bonus episode once a month. And soon we are nearly at our monthly goal or our overall goal, which means we'll do two bonus episodes a month for our patrons. And we also like to thank people. So Matt is going to kick us off now.

I love to thank from Maryland in the United States, I believe, Mr. Aaron Frazier. Frazier. Frazier. Oh, that. A Frazier. All right, if he's the AFM, what is that sample? Always friendly man. Oh, if he's the AFM, what does that sample? Always friendly man.

Oh, that's good. Nice Malaysia. That's our Aaron. That's our Aaron. Is the best of the best. I'd also love to think. From Yaguna in New South Wales Australia. Yaguna.

Yaguna. Tanya Miles. Frequent communicator on the social media. I think they'll remember writing Tanya's Christmas card. Lucky Tanya. You got the worst handwriting out of all of us. Yeah, sorry Tanya. Tanya, can you read it?

So T, is that what we're doing? We're doing TMI. TMI. We've got the... Bob. The most. this is my year The magic year magic year wow Tania's year this year welcome tania to your magic year. Oh

David you like to thank some listeners. I would like to thank from Oklahoma. Oh Clahoma when the wind comes sweeping down the plane. And I hope I didn't mispronounce this name, because I do that a lot on the show. But from Oklahoma, Donk 2015. Donk. Thank you, D-O-N-K, Donk 2015. So this one's hard, because then it's D2O.

We get down to. D-T. Oh yeah, OK. Down to. WhatT. Oh yeah, okay. Down to... What's the third bit? Oh, that's another thing of one... Oh. I think you have an ostracized, alright?

Down to... Arral. And Arral. No, DT. It's a dentist. He's not DTF, he's DTO, is that you think? Alright, sorry, don't give your DTO. So he's like, yeah. All right, sorry, don't your DTO. Donk is great.

Here in Australia, where's he from? Oklahoma, so US. All right, donk here. I don't know, probably made the same name. It means the engine in a car. I've never heard that. Why is he don't know that? The donk.

Yeah, donk. Just donk. Shows your donk. No, that's not what it is, but you've been lied to. No, that's not a thing. Matt's made that up, I can see his face. You've made a good one. You've made it up.

You bloody got me, Matt. That's a muscle car engine. Stop it. Check out the donk on that one. You don't have a muscle car. Check out my donk. All right, I've got one more person to thank. This person, a dress unknown.

Okay. It's like you. They didn't trust us for their address is what I'm gathering. All the way from who knows where, but we think of her support. Abigail Hanson. Abigail Hanson.

Great name. It's good, isn't it? I'm picturing a yodel. Is that, would that be fair? Can you give us a yodel again? Yodel. It's so much better than you'd expect, isn't it? It is actually. So you're saying, I hate you

you want to be unknown. Yeah. I hate you. Well the eye is clear. It's got to be adult. Adult. Hair. Adult. Unknown. Okay. Well, we don't know where hair color. Adult. Okay. Well, if we don't know where hair colour? A lot. A happy unicorn. Happy unicorn! That's nice. That's fucking adorable.

Okay, well... I mean, my name is Wayward, a huge underbite. No one wants to. That's, that's you in dog form, I think. No, that's overbite, isn't it? Steven. Steven? Isn't that right? Steven.

It is not right. Thank you. Oh, I just, you got a couple of you. Yeah, I got them. Okay, so I would like to thank from Mount Wavley, she's where I grew up, and we'll be living again soon. Ooh. Oh, no, this is magic. Steven Edmonds. Steven Edmonds.

Steven Edmonds. So S-E-N? C-M. Still eating mangoes, which is a great summary for delicious. Still after all these years. Still eating mangoes. Classic Steven. Oh, good piece.

Everything's coming up, mangoes. And I would also like to thank from Hull. Hull. The part of the ship that is very important. Does they call that a donk? The donk's under the hull. Oh, sorry, sorry. Everything's a donk to us now.

I'd like to thank Coffee Smiles. Oh, this guy's another. Coffee? Coffee. I say coffee, but I'm sorry. I would've said coffee, but I'm a bit bit of it, smiles. Oh, this girl's another... Coffee? Coffee. I say coffee, but... I would've said coffee, but I'm a bit better at saying. Sorry, coffee. He is the official face of Hull 2017, so not anymore. Coffee, I'm so sorry, he's a great tweeter.

We appreciate you a lot. Chaos, H. And I don't know, it's his last name really smiles because I've seen you profile a picture and you've got a great smile, I'm afraid. No, I don't think it is, I think that's his. All right, he's just a great smile. I don't think it is. I think that's his all right He's just a great smile. Yeah, he's the small maker That's he's Twitter thing is not keep smiling

Happy. Yeah, yeah, so coffee coffee. He's smiling comma happy Happiness, can you give it on keep smiling? Oh Yes keep smiling, oh Thank God we we were I used to hate from ho for ho. And we've used smiling smiles. We've changed one. We're really ripped off their coffee. Hopefully that's okay. Let us know if that's not good enough. But from my understanding of you as a person, everything is good enough. You are too positive Very friendly kick small hippas No, don't kick

Kick kiss kiss small Damn it. I'm an idiot. I'm sorry. I'm too negative. Kiss small hippas. That's nice. Well, I'm thinking of is a BTK what BTK could have been something nice Behind the killer. Oh, killer. Yeah, that's good. Oh, no, fuck, silly killer. That beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful, this killer.

Yeah, that guy. No, he doesn't deserve a happy one like that. Oh, I'm gonna say big tasty kisses. Certainly not. Certainly. Oh, are they tasty? Oh, they're big. Yeah, kind of a big or tasty kisses.

Thanks to everyone that supports our show through Patreon, you do make a big difference to our lives. I mean, we can spend more time watching dockos on cereal killers. Thank you for that. Thank you. What a strange career turn. I'm taken. Yeah, my parents are very proud.

Yeah. But we do appreciate that. So patreon.com. That's So let's do go on pod. And if you want to suggest a killer or any topic that happened in your hometown or anywhere in the world, we now have a form that you can fill out. We should start looking in an every episode. I'll be good to link it in the description of this. Otherwise, we have it on our Twitter. You'll see it there. And yeah, you get to tell us why you think we should do the topic and maybe give us a link to something that maybe, maybe you interested in the first place.

That, this was satisfying. I couldn't handle another. Another mystery. Like the man might be still out there. Yeah, yeah, don't like those ones. Drick and that lady moved back to the state 20 years later. No. She was pretty old. Oh yeah. She was 16. I hope she lived out of grace.. Yeah. Yeah. That fucking wow. No. Yeah. Big, big tasty kisses.

Anyway, anyway, we'll be back next week with another episode. There is something I just, because something that I kind of thought maybe is what he was thinking about. That kind of wild serial killer, it's like a banana logic. Don't you think it's like, it doesn't fully make sense, it's like, it's like, it's like his head's bananas.

It's banana logic, don't you think? Banana the killer. Banana the killer? Banana the killer, and it's that makes me, he's bananas. Yeah. Do I have any? Yeah, he's bananas. All right guys, thank you so much. We'll see you next week.

Also, thank you and goodbye. Later. Bye. Bye. She's dead now. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit PlanetBcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want, it's up to you. I think record, Matt.

I could be in bed by 10. It's exciting. Hi future Jess, love you. You're probably in Sydney. Hey, you should put this at the end. Okay. This would be a fun little bonus bit at the end for everyone. Can I say it swear?

You're gone. Dog balls. Oh, fuck that, my chance. You fucked it. You could have said any swear. You could have said any swear, just gave you permission. And you said dog balls. I didn't want to go hard.

Actually, you're the one who meant said that we weren't allowed to swear anymore. Yeah. You fucking ****. I never said that. You dog ball? Yeah. I never said that. You dog bowl. Ha ha ha ha ha. Are you working way too hard for way too little?

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