Two In The Think Tank - 116 - Frida Kahlo

Episode Date: January 10, 2018

Mexican painter Frida Kahlo is one of the most famous artists of the 20th Century. She also had a crazy and somwhat tragic life, all stemming from an accident when she was a teenager. As well as creating masterpieces, Kahlo married the most well known Mexican artist of her day, Diego Rivera... both of whom had had dozens of affairs. She always spoke her mind and is now an icon for the LGBTI community, feminists and people living with disabilities. Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] references and further reading on Frida Kahlo:https://www.biography.com/people/diego-rivera-9459446https://www.diegorivera.org/creation.jsphttps://www.brainpickings.org/2014/05/22/diego-rivera-frida-kahlo-meeting/https://www.frida-kahlo-foundation.org/biography.htmlhttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Frida-Kahlohttp://www.pbs.org/weta/fridakahlo/life/https://www.biography.com/people/frida-kahlo-9359496https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/1995/09/frida-kahlo-diego-rivera-art-diaryhttps://www.fridakahlo.org/frida-kahlo-biography.jsphttp://www.lesbiannews.com/a-bisexual-affair-frida-kahlo-and-josephine-baker/http://www.fridakahlostory.com/frida-blog/the-accident-that-changed-fridas-life-forever-life-begins-tomorrowhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/aug/12/artnews.arthttp://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/diego-rivera-about-the-artist/64/https://www.fridakahlo.org/self-portrait-the-frame.jspDiego Rivera, Jimmy Souter, Published October 1st 2009 by Parkstone Press USA, LimitedMy Art, My Life: An Autobiography, Diego Rivera and Gladys March, Citadel Press 1960 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit PlanetBcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On my name is Dave want to key and as always I'm in a hot room with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart any room with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart the hot room You're right. Yeah, that's what they call us the sauna twins Where does the town? No, I just I didn't mean like that. I just meant We're both very sweaty people

We are and if you're in an enclosed room with us, there will be a sauna effect, as Jess was saying. Yeah. But it's a medical condition, and we are very self-conscious about it. Sorry to bring it up. So I would appreciate you not staring at us like that. Yeah. I mean, there's sweat patches, and then there's sweat bodies.

Yeah. Your body's like that. It's really more like a dry patch. It's easy to focus on the dry part of your body. and then there's sweat bodies. Yeah. Your body is like a dry patch. Yeah, exactly. It's easy to focus on the dry part of your body. Which weatelies behind my knees. Very dry. My bits, my mouth.

And you made me, and you both of you made me touch them. Yeah. Just to prove it. Touch my mouth. Touch my mouth. Touch it. Touch the back of my knee while touching his mouth. That was said.

Yeah. That was said. And I regret it. And I am, I am such touching his mouth. That was said. Yeah. That was said, and I regret it. And I am such a people, please, right? Did it. Yeah, he did do it. But on the way across the room, you did slip over in our puddles. We are basically puddle people now.

Say that five times. We are basically puddle people. Yeah, puddle people. Is that one time? I'm puddle people. I did it. I said it was a challenge people. I did it. I said it was a challenge and I did it.

New year new me. Oh, welcome to 2018 baby, the year of Jess. Which is bad news for Matt and I. This is my year. Then again, every year Matt says, it's gonna be a good year for you, Bob. Every year. Never been wrong.

Never said anything about my years. Yeah. Well, take from that what you will. Sit in wait, it's coming one day. I just don't want you to say it's going to be a bad you. Yeah, all day. Keep that to yourself. Yeah. This is not your year. Rather not no. You're even Steven Dave. You're going to have another pretty alright year. I'm going to take that. I'm going to have another Ripper. You can watch from the sidelines you lonely little prick. Oh God, alright. Having an alright, you mean it's being a lonely little prick. Oh God, the bad year's going to be really bad.

Matt, what's your prediction for your year? My year's going to be awful. Another awful year for Matt Stewart. Another awful year. Sad sex Stewart. Now we're all going to have a great year. Got a real bloody good feeling about it. Dave, you're gonna win best new comer at the fringe Society. Yes, you're gonna eat a new hat. I'm gonna eat a new hat. I'm gonna wear my face like a crown

So it's gonna be a good year. And that's why you're using it to be awful. It's a very painful hat. He has a pully face, obviously. And wear it. He's trying now. And he's pretty, he's close to succeeding. Not bad, yeah. Good job. Well, you know, so good. 11 and a half months.

Yeah. God, you're already, yeah, I reckon you'll get 11 and a half months. Yeah. Card, you're already there. How can you get there by eight? Yeah. And then the last four months, I just get to enjoy it. Think of a new challenge. Yeah, it gets started on 2019's, Aaron's. It should probably be putting the face back on.

Yeah. Where are your face as a face? Appointments with plastic surgeons. Hey Dave, what's this show about again? Well, if you've just joined us for the first time, or the first time this year, appointments with plastic surgeons. Hey Dave, what's this show about again? Well, if you've just joined us for the first time or the first time this year Why did you not listen last week? That's the question, but anyway, you miss my great banana logic bit That was a great bit

Stand out. God. Don't make that into a do-go automation. You didn't edit it out, did you? Just, I maybe did. I maybe did. I haven't heard it in there, and it made me laugh. It was really funny. Oh, good. I'm glad it's thanks for leaving in Jess. It was pretty risque, but I'm glad you left it in. Yeah, offensive for some. Yeah. Hilarious for most.

Blasphemous, somewhat even so. No, not blasphemous. Not that blasphemous. But still pretty blasphemous. Anyway, Dave, what is this show? So one of us is going to do a report on a topic that's been suggested by a listener and it is my turn. Yay!

First report of the year for myself. These are our favourites. Yes. Dave is by far the best. This is according to us. This is our fourth calendar year with Dave and the reports of it. Yeah, because it's started in 15, 16, 17, now we're in 18. Oh, look at us go. For the fourth calendar year. Great technicality. I know, because we did start in November. Yeah, still. Let's take it.

Who's your favourite report, give it a day? Your day. Well, I'd hate to go against the status quo. I also enjoy my reports. That sounds about right. That works out well. It lesses me. To get on, sorry, bless you, Jess.

Bless you, Jess. Bless yourself. Bless this, Jess. So, that's not only a welcome map. Bop be blessed. All right, so I've got a question here to get us onto the topic. Yes. My question for both of you.

Oh my God, I can't believe it's not. Oh, is that going to be an old thing? Pointing it up. You pointed it out. I'm sassally as well, which I liked. Ho! Oh, it's a person. Or a band.

Shit, okay, I'll let him continue before I make these assumptions. Who rocked the most famous monobrow of the 20th century? Oh, I think I know this. Oh. It's the Oasis lead singer Liam Gallagher. No.

Liam Gallagher. Oh, that's that's what Liam's the lead singer. But no, I'll write the songs. Is it Liam Gall Galaga? It is The guy I'd slam Galaga and I know this because he's that his pictures on all the Mexican restaurants I go to Am I getting a couple of people confused? Is it Maggie Simpson's enemy? Oh, yes. Yes. It is not the evil baby Interesting is it Yes, it is not the evil baby. Interesting.

Is it free to color? It is Mexican artist free to color. That's who I think has got the best mind of row. Most famous mind of row of the 20th century. And I've chosen this topic out of the hat because I'm going to Mexico next week, baby. Woo! Woo!

And a couple of times I've been on holidays and I've got excited about things while I'm there, like when I was in Stockholm, I saw the bank where the Stockholm Syndrome thing came from, and then we did a bonus. That is cool. We did a bonus, well I was like, I didn't really thought about that, and we did a bonus Patreon report on it. For this time, when I go to Mexico City next week, I want to know a bit about it before

I go there, so I decided to pick a Mexican topic. Okay, cool. It's real smart. You know what I had for dinner this afternoon? Okay, lunch. A burrito. Oh, a burrito. A burrito.

Well, I did message Ray Thibyans, top of your Mexican cuisine, do you get ready for this topic? I do, I didn't get that message. That was a bad idea in this small hot room. I regret nothing. Just trying to create a little bit of piece of mexico right here. Yeah. Okay, little piece of mexico. This was suggested by Hannah who entered into the new hat which we've got a little form you can fill out now. And so thank you for doing that Hannah. Or she's

at SIDER OTH on Twitter. Oh, SIDER fan. Or she's on an oath to never to drink SIDER. Me too. Me too. Respect Hannah. Yeah. So you guys know much about Frida Kahlo? I know that she is a Mexican artist. Oh that's good stuff.

I know that she is a revered. Oh, that's good stuff. I know that she is a revered. Hmm, a revered Mexican artist. And I know that her picture is in a lot of Mexican restaurants around Melbourne. I know that a girl that I work with has her tattooed on her arm. Really? It's quite a beautiful tattoo. Is she a feminist icon? Yeah, she's an icon for many sort of marginalized groups.

So she's big in the L sort of marginalized groups. So she's big in the LGBTI community, big in the with people with disabilities and stuff because of things that happened to her, her and her life, which we will discover. Okay, all right. Well, I mean, she's an icon for many, many, many, we could continue to ask questions. We'll just find out. Dave can just start the report and then we'll know for sure. Matt's just finishing that crunchy crunchy burrito. Nachos? A little after dinner nachos. So they do it in Mexico baby. Also I've been researching. Yeah you'll soon find out. All right Frida Kahlo was born on July the 6th 1907 in her parents house known as La Casa

Athul or the Blue House. Oh, that's so cute. Like they're in the big blue house. Yeah, that's right. And it's actually, um, isn't there, wasn't there a paint no? What was the, um, that's the paint. Blue and I did, I did. Oh, thank off.

He's the yellow house. off is the yellow house. Oh, the yellow house, well, that was a fucking totally different primary color. I should put these shapes over somewhere else. So you stop eating them. Yeah, no, this is actually the third in the triptitch of reports I've done on painters. Oh. The first episode, but not least the Leonardo da Vinci. Yes, we remember.

That we had Van Gogh. He lived in the Red House. That's right, Van Gogh, in our adventure. Yes, remember that we had Van Gogh. They lived in the Red House. That's right. Back off in the yellow. Frida in the blue house, which is actually the house, the blue house, or La Cata, a thule is now where you can go. It's a museum. Oh, cool. See about it. So you're going to get there.

I'm really hoping to go there. Awesome. I have full name according to my best certificate, because often people with Spanish influence names have many, many names. Magdalena, Karmen, Frida, Kahlo, Ikeldran. Oh, I like it. At the time, the Blue House was on the outskirts of Mexico City in the small town of Koyoakán.

Her father was Kahlo Wilhelm Kahlo. It was born in Germany, and he had this. Kahlo Kahlo. That's right. Karl. Karl. Will Helm. No, no. Karl Carlo. Karl Carlo.

Lo. I love it. You love it. I'm afraid it's about to change because he's born in Germany, but he hated his stepmother so much that when he was 19, he left Germany and sailed alone to Mexico just to get away, where he changed his name to the more Mexican sounding, Guillermo.

Oh, that's better. Fuck, that is good, though. That's a pretty good name. Yeah, that's a great name. That's fun to say, but Carl Carlo is also fun to say. You can understand why I'm conflicted here, now. Yes. I thought, well, I'm pretty relieved

because when Dave said, you said you love his name, and Dave said, that's about a change. I'm like, oh, Dave said you said you love his name. Dave said that's about to change it I'm like, oh, what does this German guy do? The name is changing. He's fine. He's fine. Okay. Guillermo suffered from epilepsy and was a photographer. He became well known for his portraits of famous Mexicans including the then Presidente. Presidente.

Presidente. Presidente. Which is kind of cool because he sort of arrived in Mexico with nothing and within sort of 10 years he was taking photos of very famous people. Yeah. So he did very well for himself. He also took photos of himself including a full nude body shot. How? Where he's facing away from the camera.

Oh, thank God. And despite the fact that you can't, you can see his ass but not his junk in 1892 this was considered scandalous and he had a bit of controversy because it would have been better It was full frontal and he's just standing over these hands when he's like check it. G'er'amo. I am G'er'amo This is my junk El junkie Junko He was, that influence on young Frida and his self-portraits with photographs led the way for his daughters painted self-portraits that would make her famous one day.

I read in a lot of places that Frida was his favorite child. Oh, brutal. Brutal for the others, but not for her. Yeah, no, good call. But brutal, if he's admitted that, absolutely you can have a favorite, but don't say it out loud, you know, like I've got a favorite of you too, but I don't say it. Oh, yeah. All right, Matt's like good, and I'm like, fuck and tell me, bitch.

I think that says more than you need to know, Dave. I mean, I have a favorite parent. You do. And a favorite sibling by default. Oh, know. I mean, I have a favorite parent. You do. And a favorite sibling by default. Oh, okay. I don't have either of those. You have two parents though. So you have a favorite.

So you've gone through every scenario of your, if you can save one person from drowning here and save. Yeah. What about if you package all three together? Okay. So can you rank them one to three? You can save two, but not three. Yeah, can you rank them one to three? You can save two but not three. Yeah, I can rank them one to three. Wow, I couldn't

I couldn't three siblings and two parents and I'd put them all equal first. That's interesting It sounds like your family's all gonna drown. Yeah, and that's the most romantic way to go. Oh Altogether. Altogether now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, altogether. All together now. No, noletown. Those improv classes were not wasted on you. Come on, shocky boy. It was like I was in a boat with you. Yeah. Yeah. I felt the fins. You're in my love boat. You're out in my love boat every day, Dave. I think you've seen the love boat but not yours. That's what's happened.

Gérmore, back to him, his father and of course Frida's grandfather was a painter, so art ran in the family. Frida's mother Matilda was of a primarily, well she was primarily indigenous, but also a bit of Spanish descent. She was a devoutly Catholic woman. She married Gaelmo, shortly after his first wife died during the birth of their second daughter. Their marriage, as Matilda and Gaelmo was reportedly unhappy, Frieda often remarked that her mother did not love her father, and this may have been the case. Matilda grieved her whole life for her first love

who she saw commit suicide. Oh, it's a very sad. But together, Matilda and Guillermo had four more daughters, the third of which was Frida. So she grew up with four older sisters and one younger sister and talked about how she grew up in a family of women. That's interesting.

I assumed with the favorite, she'd either be the oldest or the youngest. Yeah, but she's second youngest. Yeah, that really means that she was just better than the others. Yeah. How many other Carlos hung around Mexican restaurants in Melbourne?

Great point. It says a lot. Imagine how many Carlos were in Mexican restaurants in Mexico or as they would call them restaurants. Oh, I never thought about it like that. Well, we call Mexican cuisine. They call cuisine. What? What? They speak in French.

You don't have to specify. And what if you want to cross all? You're going to need to go elsewhere. Okay, you can. I'm assuming quizzane is a French elsewhere. Okay, you can just spread that. I'm assuming Quizzane's a French word, it probably isn't it? Probably it sounds French.

Does sound French? And in the end, isn't that what really matters? You're quite defensive there. It does sound it. No one called you on it. No one, it's fine. I was just ready and case someone was straight on their phone on Twitter. You slapped the phone out of their hand.

Look guys, I assume it's French. If it's not, I don't want to know. That's about right. Yeah. One free to was three years old. In 1910, the Mexican Revolution began and kicked off 10 years of civil war. The revolution involved a long and bloody struggle against among several factions in constantly shifting alliances. In free toers writing, she reflected that her mother would usher her and her sisters into the house as gunfire broke out in the streets

of the poor neighborhood she lived in. Wow. Occasionally men would leap over the walls into their, so they've got a walled garden in the middle of their backyard. And in the middle of their backyard, it was their backyard. Interesting.

Men would leap over the walls into their backyard and sometimes their mother would prepare a meal for the hungry revolutionaries. Oh. So that got on a different way. The meal was laced with poison. That wasn't. That wasn't. After several changes in leadership and lots of backstabbing amongst leaders, the revolution ultimately ended in the end of the 30-year dictatorship of

ended in the end of the 30-year dictatorship of Porifero Diaz in Mexico and the establishment of a constitutional republic. I started wearing um armor on their backs. Can I get stabbed? I like any. Yeah, just sit back. That's how the revolution ended. Is that true? That's true. What? Dave? Looks like the report to, er has become the report E. Mm-hmm.

I know, I know, I know some stuff. You know, you make the revolution facts. Yeah. It's estimated that over one million people died in the conflict, so it was very bloody for Mexico. The revolution was hard on a father Guillermo who had taken portraits of the outsted government and work became harder to come by as the war

Raged on so he didn't necessarily agree with their politics, but you know there was work there for him exactly from a high paying clients I hear you know also when there's a civil war happening people aren't really thinking about the glamour shots, you know, no, it's when well most people are Yeah, that's what sets you apart, man. That's the first thing you do is take a selfie. First thing you do. World War Three, selfie. Every beginning of every financial year, I get a grammar shot. And the following week I do as well.

And so on and so forth, every week. I get one. 52. It's not really relevant when a financial year starts but that's sort of when in my head. Yeah, I reset for sure Yep, and then I start getting one every week from then on like I was doing yes the previous financial Yes, but I mean that's just how I do business Absolutely, and that's why you're the Saviest businessman

The Saviest businessman Yeah, why do you think I'm the one sitting on a gold throne? Yeah, it is weird that he be why I was talking wonder that now I know. Yeah, it makes sense. It's the selfie thing. It's the selfie thing. In our later life, Frieda would often claim that she was born in 1910 three years after her actual birth because that's the first year of the revolution. So she would be associated with that historic event. Oh, that's weird. That's why I say I was born in 1990 because the pies won the AFL Grove final that year. That's incredible that you know that. Thank you. First ever AFL Grand Final. Was the VFL year before I think. Is that right? Yep.

Yep. I don't know. I have no idea what we're talking about. I heard pies and I was like, this is interesting. And then you said, I was about football, and I said, this is not interesting. At the age of six, Frida contracted polio. That's too good. It's not good, but she recovered it unlike some was able to walk afterwards, but it did leave her right leg thinner than the left, which she disguised by wearing long skirts. Her peers maliciously nicknamed her peg leg, though she did find some solace in the disease. She later recalled,

my papa and mama began to spoil me a lot and love me more. Oh, okay. Okay, pity. Okay. Well, and the next sentence is her father who suffered epilepsy, bonded with her over her having an illness.

Right, okay. So that's maybe one. That makes sense. Well, that's nice. The next sentence is her father who suffered epilepsy bonded with her over her having an illness. Right. That's maybe one. That makes sense. Well, that's nice. I think that is a totally, totally nice thing for her to be the favorite. Oh, now I'm being patronized. I mean, she could have been nice all who had polyurethics.

But I don't think she was. I think we're about to find out. I think she's the best. Apart from the weird adeper thing, where she wanted to be, she wanted to be three years younger to have associated herself with the war. But also. Everything else I've heard about her has been,

well pretty neutral. Wouldn't you love to be three years younger Matt? Yes. Well, on the scale of Matt's lifetime, it makes no difference. That's a draw. It's a blip. Yeah.

Spekid dust, you know? Well, just dust on the wind, Jess. Mm. It's a blip. Yeah. Spek a dust, you know. Well, just dust on the wind, Jess. That's getting deep over there. First selfies on the financial year. In 1922, Carlo was enrolled in the Prepertoria, one of Mexico's premier schools. This senior high school had only just begun enrolling female students and subsequently out of the 2000 enrolled there. She was one of only 35 girls.

Wow. She was also famously outspoken and older than her classmates and she started school late due to having polio when she was younger. I was gonna say, it was like this, she's older now, but that's cool, that's fine, good for her. What, she's 15?

Yeah, right, old. Yeah, I mean, the best is behind her. Big time. At this school, she first met the famous Mexican muralist Diego Rivera. Oh, it's a good name. It's a good name. Diego. A Rivera at that time was working on a mural called the creation on the school campus. According to freetocala.org, she told a friend she will marry him someday.

Oh, okay. But more on Diego later. Oh, does will marry him someday. Oh, okay. But more on Diego later. Oh, does she marry him someday perhaps? Did she set up that website herself? Did she marry her? I didn't see that written anywhere else. That's why I thought I should source it again. She got, she got, that's website early.

That's what you got to do. You got it. Well, she didn't get early enough to get.com. She didn't want to.com, because she just wants to spread the word. Right. About free to color. Organ she just wants to spread the word. Right. I like that. About Frida Kahlo.

Organizational. Dot log. Gotcha. Hmm. She's not a dot com. But she's definitely not a dot net. Oh god no. Yuck.

Bark and basement are my right. Ew. I'm even worse if it's a dot net dot AU. Oh. Oh. Dot net dot AU dot biz. Oh, dot us whole Fucking ideas. Yeah, that's old Can someone buy that for us

We've had bum house dot org. Appreciate that. So good Fun Yes, how do you find fun house dot org was taken but fun house dog was taken. But bum house, that was, that was free. Probably the most significant event of a young life occurred on the 17th of September 1925. Carla and her boyfriend, Alejandro Gomez, Adios. Oh, I'm enjoying same things.

Alejandro, they're on their way home from school when the wooden bus they were riding collided with a street car. A wooden bus. A wooden bus. Why, how is the bus, why? Because it's 1925 in Mexico City. Everyone was made out of wood back then.

My after gone. It collided with a street car as we call them tram. Ah. Wooden tram we call. Yep, sorry. Alejandro described it as the bus burst into a thousand pieces. As a result of the accident, free to suffer several injuries.

Oh my God. A broken spinal column, broken collarbone, broken ribs, broken pelvis, 11 fractures in a right leg, a crushed and dislocated right foot, dislocated shoulder. It sounds bone basically. Dislocated shoulder. It says like she busted in a thousand. Also an iron hand rail piece to abdomen.

A uterus. What? So it went fully through. So she was really injured. Yeah, no shit Dave, we had that in all the broken bones. She was Vlad D'Empaille. Did you imagine that a uterus was impaled? Also, I broke my collarbone so I can definitely see. Me too.. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. of a horse game with my sister running around the blue stones in the backyard. Were pretending to be horses? Yeah, I think maybe I was... I can't remember.

Is there something like there was a rope? And one of this was running as a horse. I can't remember. But anyway, some I tripped on something and I went collarbone first under the blue stones. So where am I collarbone will break my fall? Apparently, I don't have this a trauma, but I was told at some point that it's the only bone in the body that heals stronger than before.

It's very, very common in little kids. Right. Because. Are they just trying to spin it as a good thing? May, I guess so. This is what I'm told, quite often it will break during birth, which did happen to me. And so then when I was about 18 months old,

Mum put me on the bed while she was just pretty on her socks and I was jumping up and down on the bed and playing. And I just ran straight off the edge of the bed and fell and broke my collarbone. Cracked it. Right. And I still blame her for being negligent. Get cold feet, Mum.

I think I know who the favorite parent might be, Ma'am. The one who hasn't fractured your collarbone. Yeah, I want to work in a way on the favorite siblings. The one that smashed you playing horse. They're out. Doesn't want to comment. Doesn't not want to comment. It's all equal first. Interesting. Anyway, sorry.

So she's broken into million pieces. And according to Vanity Fair, somehow in the impact, Frida's clothes had been yanked off and she was left completely nude. How? How does that happen? Even more Frida, show a boy from record, someone in the bus, probably a house painter,

had been carrying a packet of powdered gold. This package broke and the gold fell all over the bleeding body of Frida. So she looks like this crazy mess, I guess, but still artistic in a way, because she's naked. She got a pole going through her. She's covered in gold. I mean, it's like a pole. It's like an installation. And the foam and the tram and the bus are just like spread around it. Yeah, I hope someone got a photo. I've not seen a photo. Oh, amazing shot. Color photography back then in 25? No.

Just with no studied photography, mentioned a box. I could have been wrong. Box brownie. Box brownie. How are I going to let some people have like bits of color? How do you? Sorry, sorry. Pretty question. Bits of color, How do you? Sorry, sorry. A bit of color, to Sans Weid. The accident left her in a great deal of pain as she spent three months recovering in a full body plaster cast. She did recover from her injuries and eventually was able to walk again but she was an extreme

pain for the rest of her life. As a result of the accident during the following 30 years she had as many as 35 surgeries, mainly on her back, her right leg and her right foot. Oh, things like that. Just think back to like, imagine going back nine years in medical. So that's not good. A lot of the time I read that,

that she'd have an operation on her back and I'd actually leave her in more pain that she had been in like, because it was a bit of a gamble. Yeah. Well, even now, I mean, if you're in an accident that bad, you'll be... Yeah. It's amazing that she lives at all.

Yeah. Bang, yeah. Bang, you hear about people with chronic back pain that just can't figure out how to fix it. You can't fix it. Wow. Many years later, Frieda talked about her accident. So this is quite familiar. I remember it was the 17th of September, 1925. Shortly after we, Frieda and Alejandro, had entered the bus, the collision happened. First we were in another bus,

but I had lost a little umbrella. We got off to look for it. That's why we got on that bus, which mutilated me. So it's like a chance thing. Oh, it's a little chance thing, but yeah, that's a weird little, be the worst having that little thing in your head. Why'd you go for the fucking umbrella, don't you? So it's one of those things that just shaped her for the rest of her life

arguably with good and bad consequences the bad obviously the terrible pain that I inflicted on there but the good was that whilst in bed recovering for three months with nothing else to do to occupy her time she began to paint her mother had a special easel made for her so she could paint in bed whilst still in the cast and a father lent her his box of oil paints and some brushes. She started to paint a self-portress of herself, something that would become a recognizable motif of her work and she later said, I paint myself because I am alone and I am the subject I know best. Makes sense. I get that. I'm alone. so she starts to paint just you here with us

Do we get an answer no it's very frustrating all they say is what do you want I say I'm the pizza delivery man Yeah, I'm sorry absolutely thank man. Yeah, I think I have a money place. I say I am so sorry. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Keep the change. I'm good day. Oh, it's that a happy ending. No, look at the pizza. I say, what the fuck are you doing here?

Who are you? Navarito, I did not know you. But I'm going to Hootia. I love pizza. Yeah, he. I love it. Pizza in Mexican. They're my two faves.

They're my two faves. And Italian is pizza. Yeah. What does that call it in Italy? Mexican. It's a very confusing system. So confusing. It's wacky Italians.

They're bloody wacky. But I love them. Can't help it. Love their cuisine. Oh, they're cuisine. Oh, but I love them. Can't help it. Love their cuisine. Oh, their cuisine. Oh, but listen, oh. Motto, banai.

Oh. Now you speak in my language. Fuck the Italian, that's what I speak. It was an ad for Subway a few years ago that always annoyed me because he, it was for the Italian meatballs up and he would say, Molto, Delicioso.

I thought that's not good. That's not good. It was for the Italian meatballs up, and he would say, Molto, Delicioso. So that's not good. No, that's not good. Trying to figure out on purpose, that's lame. Who would do that? Yeah, lol. Anyway, do go on. So more, so she started to paint.

Started to paint. She's good. She's painting. What's she doing? She's painting. She's painting herself. Do you believe that thing about the company in gold? What's she doing? She paint she paint herself. Do you believe that thing about

In gold that sounds Like a myth Sure, I believe it's right story 100% I mean I believe it. That's real good. Oh, if convinced me before we started Dave City He hoped I would get a little bit hyper because I have not slept and It's happening. Here we go. Jess is on the radio now, you guys, but in the middle of the night. Yeah.

So when Dave and I are asleep, Jess is working. Then when Dave and I are awake and working, Jess is working. And then when we've got some spare time later on, we do this podcast. And then after that, Jess goes back to work. It's pretty fucked. For Jess, but men, Dave, since it's been real well. Nine hours and nine, I'm kidding. So are you kidding?

Nine hours and nine, please. That's unheard of. Not now, not now, Bid. Which we share. Which we share, but largely. Bloody cuties. Anyway, sorry, I keep derelling. So she's panty.

So more on the artist, Diego Rivera, I mentioned earlier. Diego, he returns. Rivera was born in 1886. He's older. He's older. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Pablo Picasso. Oh, yeah. And he even gave the emerging Cubism style ago. Ah, the crack. Oh, the crack? But the Mexican Revolution had an effect on him,

and he wanted to reflect the lives of the working class and the native peoples of Mexico. So he developed an interest in making murals during a trip to Italy, finding inspiration in the Renaissance frescoes. He was actually the inspiration behind murals wedding. Really? Yeah. The Abba, Abba, themed musical comedy of Australia's early 90s. Was it really Abba themed? Yeah, it was the whole soundtrack was Abba. Yeah.

Come on, Dave. We're learning together here. No, I mean, you know, one. You're learning. So I'm sorry that I haven't seen an Abba musical. Well, it's an Abba musical. Anyway, that's Mama Mia, which I have seen. A masterpiece. I actually have not seen. You'll be looking forward to the sequel then. Oh my God, that looks like absolute horseshit. Muriel's wedding too.

So they confusingly called Mama Mia the sequel. It's very confusing. I'm sorry, everyone. Anyway, so I. It's very confusing. I'm sorry everyone. Anyway, so I'm so sorry, Diego. So he returned to his homeland. So he's, he's like, I want to, I want to pay it murals. He returned to his homeland and he received funding from the government to create a series of giant murals about the country's people

and the country's history on the walls of public buildings. So in public, on a massive scale, where, Public Picasso. Public Picasso. Where people could, where? Public Picasso. Public Picasso. Where people could enjoy the art. So he thought that art didn't belong in a museum for the elite. He wanted the working class, everyone to be able to see it. Like Jimmy Barnes.

Yeah. Just making several references that that oversees people are like, who are these people? Google it, guys. You've got Google over there. Don't Google Jimmy Barnes. Jimmy Barnes, Scottish born. His Scottish born.

Famous song. In Australia, okay, you're all caught up. See, Dave, was that so hard? It was really fun. Sorry for having fun. Working class, man, I think it was written by an American musician who from, what's that band with the songs that they sang on Glee? Oh wow.

Boston or Chicago? Oh those ones. Close. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Journey? Journey. Oh no, no, no. That's it.

It's written by the journey. Where can class man? I believe it was written by a guy from Journey. Really? Yeah. Is that blow your mind? Yes. Dan I mean his veins. Sorry. It's not like such an old song, but it's yeah, it wasn't ever in bonus time. Typical. I'll just quietly bring it back to Mexico.

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Call 800-333-4Kia for details. Always stripes safely. So you're returning to your time, ladies. Doing these giant murals. A lot of them live figure as well as a tall and round man. Diego Rivera is one of the most famous artists of his day. He's now one of the most famous Mexican artists of the 20th century, if not the most famous.

Ah, it was one thing he was famous for. The other was womanizing. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. politely called womanizing. Okay. He was very famous for fucking. Right.

He'd already been married twice, first a Russian artist, Angelina Beloff, and then to Mexican model, a novelist, Guadalupe Marin, before he first met Frida. She was just a school girl during the first encounter. Rivera was painting his first government commission, a giant 1,000 square feet mural called creation. Whoa.

For scale, the figures in the piece are over 12 feet high. Wow. Holy shit. So he paints on a massive scale. The mural is located in the Bolivar auditorium of the school that Frida was studying at. During the painting of the mural, Rivera felt compelled to carry a pistol with him

at all times to protect himself from the right wing students, because he's extremely left wing as part of the Communist Party. So he had a gun with him at all times to protect himself from the right wing students, because he's extremely left wing, he's part of the Communist Party. So he had a gun with him at all times, but the person he had to watch out most for was free to. This story comes from Diego's autobiography called My Art, My Life, published after his death. I love it. I love it.

My art, my life. And the cover is just him black and white and he's holding a rose and the rose is yellow. Oh, it's beautiful. And on the back, the rose is withered and dark. Yes, art. That is art. We get art, guys. We get it.

God, we're arty. I don't know. I get art, but I get what I like, which is art. He like all art. I confuse myself in the middle there. Yeah. Rivera, so this is a story from his biography. Rivera was having a fair with one of his models that had been nicknamed Nooe.

They were banging in the auditorium in front of the painting, which is so amazing. So he's at a school painting. He takes time to have sex publicly. Like, you know, it's, the students aren't in the auditorium at the time. Sure. But people can come in. Well, that's how we like it.

That's the way. So they were banging in the auditorium in front of the painting and the young Frita Kahlo had snuck in up the back of the auditorium. She laughing, snuck him up the back. She laughingly yelled out on guard Diego. Here comes Lupe, Lupe being his wife. Rivera turned around, but could see no one, because Freda hid after she yelled at the guy.

Lupe did then arrive with his lunch, and thus he was not caught mid-act with his model. Oh, over different days, the hidden voice continued to taunt him and play pranks on him. Rivera writes this quote from that book, while painting I suddenly heard from behind one of the colonial pillars in the spacious room, the voice of an unseen girl, teasingly she shouted, on guard Diego, Nahuia is coming, the other woman. But she wasn't coming. He was just, she was just fucking ran with his old artist. Then one day, Freda stormed into

the auditorium where Diego was painting and asked the artist if she could watch him paint. He said, of course, that she watched him paint in silence for several hours. After a few hours, Rivera's wife Guadalupe appeared and became jealous. Probably fearing that her husband was likely to have an affair with the young girl, Guadalupe began abusing her. Freda appeared to take no notice of the grown woman and just suddenly ignored her, which at first enraged Guadalupe but her strength endeared herself. Guadalupe said, look at that girl, smaller she is, she does not fear a tall, strong woman

like me. I really like her. What a roll of curse, though. Yeah, wow. The young Frieda stayed for about three hours, once she left, all she said was, good night, and then you walked out. She did a real Perkins. That's classic classic perkins.

She really turned on air and then changed her mind. Well I was going to show her classic perkins as being abused by an older woman. Sitting quietly and being abused. Wait so this is all happened after the accidents and stuff? Yeah. So all that happened when she was school. Sorry. I mean this is just before the accident.

That was so cool. So I mean, this is before the accident. That was great. So yeah, because of two events that sort of shaped her life, her artistic life, one is the accident, and two is probably meeting Diego. I'm watching him paint. But they would not meet again for several years, and in the meantime, she has the accident, and then recovers, and starts painting herself. So she remembers this guy. So one day, Diego was on top of one of the uppermost frescoes.

That's a model. Yeah. You want to make uppermost frescoes. So... It's on top of it. Basically, he's on... Can you explain what a fresco is again? So it's like a big outdoor painting that he's doing. And he's on like...

Because it's so big, he has to stand on scaffolding. Right. So he might be three stories up. And so he's very high up, the Ministry of Education building one day, and he hears a girl shouting to him, Diego, come down from there. I have something important to discuss with you. He turned his head around and looked down

from the tall scaffolding. He described her in his book. On the ground beneath me stood a girl of about 18. She had a fine nervous body, topped by a delicate face. Her hair was long, dark, and thick eyebrows met above her nose. Already got the unibrow. They seemed like the wings of a black bird, their black arch is framing two extraordinary brown eyes. Rivera climbed down to meet the confident girl, and when he got down she said to him,

and remember, at this point he's probably the most famous artist in all the mix of her, and she's just some girl that's walked out to him. She said, I didn't come here for fun. I have to work to earn my livelihood. I have done some paintings which I want you to look over professionally. I want an absolute straight forward opinion because I cannot afford to go on just to appease my vanity. I want you to tell me whether you think I can become good enough of an artist to make it

worth my while to go on. I brought three paintings here. Will you come and look at them?" So she brought three for canvases with her and Diego agreed to examine them and he instantly liked what he saw. The canvases revealed an unusual energy of expression, precise delineation of character and true severity. He praised her work, but she knew that he was a bit

of a leadism and was skeptical of his praise and said, I've not come looking for compliments. I want the bit of a lead, and was skeptical of his praise and said, I've not come looking for compliments. I want the criticism of a serious man. I'm not an art lover nor an amateur. I'm simply a girl who must work for a living. He was extremely impressed by this young confident girl in front of him. When he asked, and when she asked if he, the great Mexican artist thought that she had what

it takes to be professional, he answered, in my opinion, no matter how difficult it is for you, you must continue to paint. She asked him one more favor. She asked him to come by her house and look at the rest of her paintings. He agreed and it was only then that when she was giving her a address that she said her name. It was then that he realized that he had heard of this girl before. His friend who was the director of the National Preparatory School who'd got him to do that original painting. He told her that Frida was a student and the director had spoken to Diego about her that Frida was a student and the director had spoken to Diego about her as the leader of a band of juvenile delinquents and had even

considered quitting his job out of frustration, out of frustration with Carlos. He then realized that this was the same girl that had came into the auditorium all those years ago and watched him paint. And this is the final quote from Rivera's biography. I said, but you are, she stopped me quickly, almost putting a hand on my mouth in her anxiety. Her eyes are quiet at a devilish brilliancy. Threateningly, she said, yes, so what? I was the girl in the auditorium. That has absolutely nothing to do with now. Will you still come to my house on Sunday? I had a great difficulty not answering more than ever, but I've showed my excitement She might not let me come at all so I only answered yes

That's great. Oh wow he was keen he was keen, but I just admire the confidence It's like you know going up to like a like just starting out in comedy and you know going up to Willans in our country being like am I good? Tell me tell Tell me. I imagine that probably happens though. That's what it is. Yeah. But I suppose not all of them go on to be the

sort of the best of their generation. Don't fuck around. Well, can I make a living out of this? I just need to earn money. Yeah, I love that. I'm not an art lover. Don't fuck with me. Tell me the truth.

I mean, answer. That's really great. And I love how it was like, he's the big star in the country, but by the end of the conversation, he's nervously trying to underplay his thought. Yeah, that's right. All right, I really want to see you more. We did go to a house,

and he examined all the rest of the paintings, and he continued to be impressed. A few days later, the pair kissed for the first time, and although she was 18 and he was twice her age, neither of them felt the least bit awkward. They married four years later despite protests of Carlos de Valtteri Catholic mother and as a couple they were often referred to as the elephant and the dove. A nickname that originated when Carlos father used to express that extreme difference in size. Rivera was 200 pounds heavier and almost a foot taller than Carlo. difference in size. Rivera was 200 pounds heavier and almost a foot taller than Carlo. So there are a bit of a striking couple to be seen. Elephant and the dove. It's beautiful. It's like a pub name.

Yeah, I'd call the dove an elephant dove. Yeah, that's more, that definitely sounds more British. Hmm. Thank you. So the elephant and the dove, the marriage, often, was tumultuous. No. Why can't anyone be happy? It's just hard to be a great artist and be happy. Yeah, you're right.

You tortured him. I'm understanding. I'm understanding. Yeah. No, I meant to say, it's like a... No, no, we knew what you meant. Stories of these painters, you know, like, I know exactly what you mean. I think just knows what you mean. Being an artist, as we are. Being an artist.

We are artists. I'm confused by a confusion on that, Dave. Yeah, and we understand how hard it is to be happy because you are constantly tortured by your own art. Yes. These podcasts were really tortured. Like Tism said. I've suffered for my art. Now you must too. Great quote.

That's a good line. So they, the marriage was not happy. Nitoriously both Carlo and Rivera had fiery temperaments, and both had numerous extra marital affairs. Diego compared making love to urinating, just a necessary function. No, my will! I can't... Why get married then?

If you're both just gonna fuck around, just fuck around. Why get married? I'm not sure, but they're kind of each other's like, mues and rock at the same time. Yeah. They always come back to each other. Just be friends. Mues and rock.

Which ones are the rock? Who's your muse? Jess, you're my muse. Dave, you're a piece of shit. Yeah, take that, Dave. But am I a rocky piece of shit? You're a rocky piece of it's very lumpy. You just don't understand art.

You don't get art. You just don't get it. Sorry guys, I'm trying. That's why I'm doing all these buddy art reports. I know, trying to get it. I'm trying to get it. But sometimes with art, it's about not trying. It's less about this, more about this.

It's pointing to his dick. It's pointing to each of his balls. Be the one with the left one, more about the right one. It's pointing to his dick. He's pointing to each of his balls. Yeah, that was the left one, the right one. It's pointing to my heart, which is in my crotch. I got that weird disorder. I didn't not get any, not understanding it out. The most artistic thing of all. Oh, well played.

Yes. Thank you, Jay. Am I getting up? No. Try again. I thought I'd got it. You were just talking. I can't argue out of the salt man. Yeah.

Anyway, so they're both fucking around. But together, they're very productive as artists. Each regard to the other as Mexico's greatest painter. Oh. It's quite nice. Yes, quite. Each eye regard, both of you as Australia's greatest podcasters.

I'd, that silly, we are not, we weird, not another, not. You're wrong. For a nosey. Top 10 sure. It's Mike, the mic check podcast. It's the best. Australia's greatest podcasters. Alexey Tullyopoulos. Cameron James.

Swing Swing. I think they're finished, actually. What a whole they've left. They've got through the whole uvra. Of my mind. He'll keep making movies. Yeah, thankfully. I think they're finished actually. What a hole they've left. They've got through the hole uvra. Of my eyes.

He'll keep making movies. Yeah, thankfully. So every three years, I've been releasing new episode of my check. Diego actually welled up with tears of pride when Picasso once admired the eyes in a painting of free dors. Oh.

So they are. Very proud of each other. Very proud and very supportive of each other. Very proud of each other. Oh, that's really nice, because you'd always think, well, and I'm sure it happens with artists of any nature. But when you're in a relationship and you do the same type of work, they'd be like a competitiveness. So it's nice if they're supportive.

Sure, fuck around then, that's fine. Great. Just given the permission to fuck you. Yeah, good on you guys. I also shared an interest in radical politics, Marxism. Yes, I'm wrapping. I'm wrapping. They also invented Mexican rap in the 1930s. Well, that sound like please don't do it. Oh, that's silly, Dave. A Rivera, so the radical politics of Marxist and his paintings depict radical things often sickles.

Sickles. And the man, sort of the man, the man fucking over the worker. But the weird part is he copied a lot of criticism for taking money from the wealthy elites who actually paying for him to paint the murals, and he was quite wealthy. Yeah, but fuck the man. So he actually got kicked out of the Marxist party, the Communist Party in Mexico. Because he's totally involved in capitalism. Well, also he's very outspoken.

So I think he told a few people to go fuck themselves and they were like, you've got to go. Right. In the 1930s, Rivera was invited to the USA to complete a number of murals there. Ironically, he worked for American capitalists and large commissions with leftist themes. So people like Henry Ford and all these billionaires

were like, yeah, come and do your Marxist stuff on our buildings, just it's a bit strange. The couple traveled through California where Rivera painted murals and then moved on to New York City where Rivera was invited to have a retrospective of his artwork of the fairly recently opened museum of modern art. Oh cool. MoMA. Having a retrospective while still alive was almost unheard of at the time and it's a great

honor and sign of his status as an artist. Where's MoMo? Is that in the Guggenheim? Nothing that too separate we see. I know Guggenheim from Seinfeld. George when he's blacking, so he was the architect who designed the... Oh, half-handler. The annex of the Guggenheim. No, the little annexx out the back.

That was mine. Guggenheim's just a lot of fun to say. It is. So where is Momma? That's in America, isn't it? In New York City. New York. And the Guggenheim is in.

New York. I mean, there's a lot of Guggenheims. There's one in Venice. But... Please go on. If you just forgotten the title of our show, it's not called but please go on. That would be better.

It's quite good actually. Yeah. Is it too late to change? To know that I'm sort of but please go on. But please go on. But it's being UWT, comma, but please go on. Yeah, because the reporter is always the but. I'm funny at but.

Not again. Not again. Not again. So he's got his little, I say little, it's a big deal that he's got his retrospective. Then he moved to Detroit for a year, did some art there, and then they made the way back to, so he's doing all these murals. She's accompanying him, but also doing her own artwork. It's a bit sad, because at the time, it's more like, oh, you also paint,

because he's like this world famous artist. But he would be, I imagine he's telling people about it. Oh, he would say stuff like, she's better than I am. Right. That kind of thing, yeah. But she's sort of living in his shadow at this point in their life. They moved back to New York City in 1933

and this time this day was surrounded by controversy. Commissioned by Nelson Rockefeller from the wealthy Rockefeller family, Rivera created a mural entitled, Man of the Crossroads, the RCA building of the Rockefeller Center. Rockefeller halted the work of the project after Rivera included a portrait

of communist leader Vladimir Lenennon in the mural. So he said to him, you can do whatever you like. Do you want to hear awesome, like, he's a big art lover, Nelson Rockefeller. Just do whatever you want to do. And then he puts like a famous communist figure in there and he's like, don't do that. I said anything, but not that. And he was given the ultimate and Rivera of either removing Lenin or having the work stopped completely. Rivera stuck by his guns and refused to compromise his artistic vision. And as a result, he was paid in full, but then the artwork was demolished. That sounds like a win win to him. Yeah, didn't have to do the work. So we've got the money. But I guess as a man, there's no one arts all about. But as an artist, it's like having one of your children

drilled off the wall. No, it's not. You've got money. And also that child was only semi-formed, so it's more like, you know, jizzing into a sock. But getting paid in full. The regret on your face. I enjoyed that. Drinking no, I'll probably get a text face. I enjoyed that.

Drinking no, I'll probably get a text message about that comment tomorrow. Hey mate, could you edit out that bit where I said juice in a sock? Yeah, I didn't, I didn't feel like that was nice. Home sick in the United States and sick of associating with capitalists, because Frida would often go out to these balls and things and she'd have to associate with people like Henry Ford and people that she doesn't agree with their ideals at all. She persuaded the reluctant Rivera to return to Mexico. And once there he retaliated by having an affair with her sister, Christina. In response to this familial betrayal, Carlo cut off most of her trademark long hair.

Desperately wanting to have a child, she again experienced heartbreak when she miscarried in 1934, because she got pregnant a few times and it sort of became apparent that because of her injuries as a young woman that she probably wasn't able to. Yeah, her uterus was impaled. Yep. So I'm not shocked that... I mean, I'm sure it it may be but I'm not all that surprised. Devas stated by this freedom of painting herself wounded and bleeding. When he did return Diego recreated the mural that Rockefeller had torn down.

He'd secretly had photos taken over and he redid the mural on the wall of the Palatheo de Balas Artes which is one of the most famous buildings in Mexico City. The new version included the portrait of Lenin that he was in trouble for, but this time he was alongside Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, the authors of the Communist Manifesto, so two very famous communists. And I hope he has he got to Rockefeller in there as well, like this shaken hands. That'll be so good. I'll be awesome. I'll was around each other. He didn't include that. Pointing it at each other on Best Mate. Love this guy.

You would have fucking hated it. He got the last laugh there. So we got paid in America. Went home, did it in Mexico, and the most famous building in Mexico City, and got to do it even more artistically. Never a traditional union, Carla and Rivera kept separate, but are joining homes and studios that were connected by a bridge.

So they're in... It's got a mouse, obviously. Yeah. I'll let you in if I feel like it. And the troll underneath allows it. Yeah. If you answer these questions three. Just sort of the questions number one

What is your favorite color? Easy blue I live in a blue house. I'm sure my favorite color is blue question two What is your least favorite color yellow and that scummy? fuckhead over in Europe whose paintings maybe don't exist yet. Thank God, no, definitely they exist. They definitely exist, because I know Tom Lines because he was in the 1817, 1850s. Yeah, 1850s. Hmm. Question. I'm with my little Elven helper. Yeah, why do you have a helper?

So we do it. We do. We do. We do go on. Am I allowed in or not? No. You only got two out of three right. Third one didn't even get it.

Active Communist sympathizers, Carlo and Rivera, refriended Leon Trotsky, as he sought political sanctuary from Joseph Stalin's regime in the Soviet Union. He was an early Russian revolutionary leader, but ultimately lost out to Stalin, who wanted his enemy dead. And so he had to flee from the Soviet Union in Russia, but only one country would take him,

and that was Mexico. Trotsky is a great name. Trotsky. Trotsky, the founding father. Trotsky. Trotsky. The founding father of Trotsky isn't. Right. It's a good and galloping. That's slow galloping. Dave, what he's getting out there is trotting. I know, I love it. Did you get it? I just left him. Did you get the joke there? Dave? Trotsky. This is my art.

Yeah. Conceasing longbows. Trotsky. Well, I get it now. It can't be that confusing if I got it. I think I get it now. I get art. Do you get art?

I get mat art. I don't think I get jess as yet. Yeah. Mine's pretty complicated. Pretty high brow. Yeah, it's pretty high brow art. But is it one uni brow? No. Pretty high brow. Yeah, it's pretty high brow. But is it one uni brow? No.

High uni brow. No. Okay, it does not get it at all. It's three brows. Come on mate. So back to Trotsky. Initially Trotsky lived with Rivera and then at Carlos' home in the Casa of the World, where they reportedly had an affair, because of course they did. Of course they did.

Trotsky and his wife then moved to another house in Klyowa-Kan, where later, basically his wife found out about the affair and was like, we gotta get out of here. Possibly bad, because he was later assassinated with an ice pick. Oh. Sorry, what? The weapon, melts. Trotsky, so Stalin, who was in charge of the Soviet Union, was sent out his little operatives to take out Trotsky.

Right. So he got ice-picked in Mexico. Yeah, in Mexico City, so... I didn't have an esquith with him. Bring the ice-pick. I think what Jess saying there was that it was good with a pick made of ice. Oh, well the perfect weapon because it melts and then there's no DNA. That's why I said the weapon melts.

No fingerprints. Do you ever listen? Just listen Dave. That's part of the art man. Fuckin' out of it. Try the art of listening to your friends. Your colleagues, I don't know about friends. Basically, I was sitting in a desk and he just got struck in the head with an ice pick.

And he lived for a day but then he died. Yeah, once it melted. Yeah, the ice was the ice he only gave me in my life. Carla reportedly also had an affair with Trotsky's assistant. So he's having a affair as a lot of the place. Another one of her famous affairs was with the famous dancer Josephine Baker. She had relationships with several prominent women, including fellow painters, Georgia O'Keefe, Jacqueline Lambert, as well as actresses, Dolores Del Rio, and Paulette Goddard. So both men and women, heaps and heaps of them, and so and all this time, Diego

is also having dozens and dozens of his affairs. All eyelisters as well, what does that sound to it? Only the best. I think we're the best. I'll only have an affair with an eyelister. Which one? Which eyelister? I think she's saying any eyelister. Any eyelister?

Sorry, gotcha. Well, no. Any. Not any eyelister, but eyelister is the minimum. Yeah. The Velvet Row will only be lifted to Jess's buttocks if you're on the a list. But if you are,

is in your name starts with a. Oh. Aaron A. Aronson. Yep, come on in. He's obviously top of the list. Ah, Dvark, come on in. Yeah, wood burn and hard Vark. No doubt about that. He's obviously top of the list. AdVar, come on in. Yeah, wood bone and hardvar.

No doubt about that. Unless his name was Greg. Is the advar. He can fuck off. Is the advar cap to be called Aaron? Yeah. Doesn't have to be called Aaron, could be called Alan. Alan.

Alan. Andre. Ryu? No. Really, you'd say no to the- Not getting it. Alan Alan Alan Andre Ryu no Really you'd say no to the not getting it It's so cute how he doesn't get it It's like you can hear the words No idea look any person who would not have an affair with André Rio is frankly an idiot, in my opinion.

I will not be judged by someone who would say no to the great violinist. Who as far as I can see, stands up the front of other people playing violin and just sort of waves his hair around. Yeah, it's the hair. I like the hair. And he has a bit of a reason, that's a stud.

No, I doubt about that. Do you have six back under there? He definitely does. I would be ripped as... Are I going to wear tuxedos that once he gets home into the Budwara with... What's the... Mrs. Ria. Or whoever he has in there, he would just have those rip-off tuxes.

He has one movement and he's in a thong. Leopard print. Leopard print. Lepid print. Lepid print. Pink Lepid. American style G-Banger. Yeah. An American style.

Yeah, not an Australian style thong. I'll just confuse. How many different types of thong are? This is awesome. Didn't know. Yes, thousand straps. There's a bald eagle on the cock pocket. What did you call the bit of the front?

The cock pocket. Right. You were right the first time. When you're right, you're right. The cock it. The cock it. All right, sorry, you were wrong. When you're wrong, you're wrong.

For all the people who have come to this episode, just for free to, well done for getting this far ahead that you have. Sorry. We've talked a lot about it. We we have there's no way that would have made a pass the five minute mark The free to free to free to free to free to go there no way Freda Maddie X in 1938 Frida had a first solar exhibition in New York solar Solar entirely powered by the Sun Yeah, she was very

Head of her time. I told you she would care about people. She also cares about the environment. Yeah, she was very ahead of her time. She's good. I told you she cared about people. She also cares about the environment. She's amazing. 1939 she exhibited in Paris, where she profended a lot of the great, the day's great artists. The Louvre purchased her painting The Frame,

making it the first work by the 20th century Mexican artist to be purchased by an internationally renowned museum. That's incredible. So a big, quite a big deal. In 1939, Carlo divorced Rivera. No. About time. Oh, okay. Well, we went different ways. There's some bad and good news for one of you. They did not stay divorced for long because they remarried the following year in 1940.

About time. The couple continued to lead largely separate lives, both becoming involved with other people over the years. Why marry then? Because I told you, there are each others rocks. Just be buds. Yeah. Her health condition began to worsen in 1950.

That year she was diagnosed with gangrene in her right foot. And she's had a rough trot. A various times she had to have her feet removed. I'm sorry, what? Yeah, she had one of her sort of legs below the knee, amputated. Baga. Really?

She's had a real splodded rough trot. Back then. I had no idea about that. Gangrene, yeah, gangrene. Was that the gangrene? Yeah, it's hard to come back from, especially back then. They would have tried leeches and stuff probably. Actually, she became bedridden for the next nine months and had to stay in hospital and had several more surgeries. But with great persistence,

Frida Kahlo continued to work in paint. In the year 1953, she finally achieved her dream of having a solar exhibition in Mexico. What? Entirely powered by the sun. All right, good on the saw. Although she had limited mobility at the time, she was ordered by doctors to stay in bed. She showed up at the exhibition's opening ceremony. She arrived by ambulance and welcomed the attendees.

Celebrating the... That's fucking cool. And she celebrated the ceremony in a bed the gallery set up for a not going against her doctors orders. She was in a bed the whole time. Love it. Well played. It's a real one. I wanted the last thing she did was she turned up at a a Marxist rally because in the last few years of their life both her and Diego rejoined the Communist Party that were accepted again they patched it up. Our Frida Kahlo died on July 13th, 1954 at the age of 47, and she was cremated. She was only 47. She got a lot done. A lot done. That's incredible. Later in

his autobiography, Diego Rivera wrote that the day Kahlo died was the most tragic day of his life, adding that too late, he had realized that the most tragic day of his life. Adding that too late, he had realized that the most wonderful part of his life had been his love for her. He married someone else the following year. Okay. That's a, we all grieve differently. Hmm, Diego. Finally, some others grieve by marrying our fourth wife. You're right. I'm sorry. Who am I to judge? Frida Kahlo's fame grew greatly after her death. This is due in parts, large part to art historian Hayden

Herrera's International Best Seller, Frida, a biography of Frida Kahlo, which was published in 1983. By 1984, Kahlo's reputation as an artist had grown to such an extent that Mexico declared her works National Cultural Heritage, prohibiting their export from the country. As a result, her paintings seldom appear in international auctions and comprehensive

retrospectives are rare. They don't want to believe Mexico. Right. That's cool. She painted about 150 paintings in her lifetime, so not that much, about a third of her entire body of work, so 55 is consist of self-portraits. And most of those, and Melbourne, Mexican restaurants.

Kala has attracted popular interest to the extent that the term freedom mania has been coined to describe the phenomenon. Like the Beatles. Yeah. The mania was invented by Beatle Mania. Her face. How is that as an idea? Yeah, the man was invented by Betelmania. Her face... Her face...

Her face as an icon is now recognizable, as recognizable, as Bob Marley on Che Guevara. In 2002, Selma Hayek was nominated for an Oscar for playing free to Carlo in the film Freeder, based on Herrera's biography. And the 2017 Pixar film Coco, which I haven't seen, but I'm interested to see, said it in Mexico features Mexican actress Natalia Cordoba Buckley playing Carlo. That's cool.

And as for DeAga Rivera, he married his agent the year after Carlo's death, and I'm not sure if there's any relation to his numerous lovemaking, but he developed penis cancer in his 60s. Excuse me? I have never heard of that, I don't think. Penis can. Is it called penis? It can't be called penis cancer. That's? I have never heard of that. I don't think. Penis can't be called penis. It's not called penis cancer. He's got cancer in his penis. But he died of heart failure at the age of 70, three years after Carlo in 1957. He was 70 and she was 47 when she died.

Yep, so he was about 20 years older than her. Wow. And that is the life and times. You can't finish it on penis cancer. Kenny? No. Kenny, do you want to do that? I will.

No, he's got a fun factor. I don't want to Google it. Willy? Yes, I will. Ah, Dave. Yeah, Pino cancer. I'm looking at it. Pino. Oh Yeah, peanut cancer. I'm looking at a pain. Oh, pain. Oh, can't sure. Man, it's no joke. It's no laughing

matter. It's bad. It's bad stuff. Yeah. Oh, you're right. Oh, you're right. It's red. It's red. Pain. Oh, cancer. Guys, it's bad. Hey, oh, it's a laughing. Are you going out on a limb there and saying, pain is cancer is bad? I'm saying it's no laughing matter And you guys laughed a lot at penis. We weren't laughing penis cancer Is that how you think just laughs by saying penis cancer?

That's not how I love it mate. What do you think her laugh sounds like you think just laughing sounds like this? penis cancer It's pretty similar actually. Yeah, it's actually the best. You've just spayed it out. That's the best impression you've ever done of Jess's love. Wow. What a story. What an incredible woman.

So much in there. I actually really didn't know much about her at all. I think I knew she was an artist and that's probably about it. Very cool. Well, what a life. Thank you to Hannah for suggesting that topic. I'm glad it was in the hat because it was cool to do a Mexican one When I'm going there next week, and I will try and get a photo of myself in front of the blue house

Be awesome. No, Dave. You're gonna get a self portrait in front of the blue house. Thank you You know, I'm afraid and I'll do it with your butt out naked like her dad just like a.m. Oh, what I wanted covered it gold Just like Carl Carlo. Or AKA Gayeromol Carlo. Ah, Gayeromol. Carl Carlo. All right guys, there's only one other thing left to do on this week's episode, and that is of course, thank everyone that supports the show through Patreon.

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We'd like to say thank you. And we give you bonus episodes, access to tickets in advance, all that kind of stuff. But also, we'd like to give shout outs to some of you now. We now. We'd love to do that right now. No, no, no. Could I kick it off by thanking a good friend of the show from Swansea in Wales.

Tom Pantone. Pantone, Tom. Do Pantone. Do Pantone. He's like everyone else, Tom. He puts one panton. I don't know. No.

That's good. Whatever we say, what color is. That's good. Whatever we say, what color house Tom would live in? Oh, Tom would live in a magenta house. I call him that. You were about to say that when you said it. Yes. I thought so.

Yep. He's magenta all the way. 100%. Tom magenta pant on is what he was known as in primary school. And Tom, thank you so much for living in Wales, but choosing to live in a place that we could pronounce. Really appreciate that. Thank you. I know, hopefully the Swansea boys are doing well in the soccer football competition.

Go Swansea boys. Well, I feel like I should have noticed this name before, but from a rock ledge Florida, and this guy is a rock ledge. Oh, is it flow rider? Flow rider. The rock ledge Florida and this guy is a rock ledge. Oh, is it flow rider? Flow rider. The rock ledge. No, it's even better than that, it's junk puncture. Ha ha ha ha.

Junk puncture. Puncher. First name junk, second name puncture. Does anyone remember riding junk at Christmas God? I don't remember. Remember that. I'm guessing he's going by a different name potentially. I hope I want, here the means, junk puncher like he punches junk or his junk has got a

puncher and is leaking air. Oh no. You got a spam and flat. You got to get, you shouldn't have leaking junk. You got to patch it up. What color house does junk puncher live in? Oh. It's got to be a what?

It's a white house. He lives in the white house. He's the president. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm confident the junk puncher could be Donald Trump. And that's the card of name it go under. Junk puncher. May I thank some people?

Pussy grabber or junk puncher. He had two options. He went for the slightly less obvious. Yeah. Is it my turn? Okay, sorry. Well, now they're re-answered my question. Sorry. Well, I was, sorry, I was distracted by junk puncher. I could not get my head around and beyond junk puncher. I can't get him out of my head. It's a, it's a, well, it's a big image. No. Well, I would like to thank from Bar Beach in New South Wales, this feels like the time of place you might enjoy Matthew. I'd love to go to a barbedroom. No. Well, I would like to thank from Bar Beach in New South Wales. This feels like the time of place you might enjoy Matthew. I'd love to go to a Bar Beach. Yeah.

To be a favorite of us. Yeah. In one place. Oh, the best. Paradise. I would like to thank Kaelin Rankings. Oh, where do you put it? From Bar. Number one for me. Number one. Always number one. Oh, top two. On the Katelyn Rankings, she's my number one. Kaelin. Fuck. That's Kaylyn. Fuck. Which is, that's our amazing shoes. She's a trend. She's a trend. She's number three. But.

Caitlyn number one. On the cat, yeah, it's a weird thing. That's fascinating. Yeah. On the farthest common ranking, she's third, but the more common name she's one. Kaylyn, the song by the band that I'm struggling to remember the name of. Now, unwritten law, that is my number two. And another one I've forgotten is number one No, I'm urging she's number one. What color? Oh, Kaelin. Oh my choosing all the colors

You've given me the most basic one. I appreciate that lime green. Oh, yeah, beautiful greenhouse very nice I'm greenhouse. It's a party house. It's tropical. It's people are going around around there for beach parties Oh fun They're going around there for beach bar parties. Uh- fun. They're going around there for beach bar parties. Uh-huh. They're going around there for bar beach parties. Oh, great. Cousse of Urde.

Cousse of Urde. And I would also like to thank from across the pond to our friend in Auckland, it's Mark Tau. Mark Tau, wow. He'd be very handy at the bar beach. Oh, I really, that's good. I really enjoyed'd be very handy at the bar beach. Oh, I really That's good. I really enjoyed when people's last names are just objects. Yeah play when they were naming themselves They went what what are you called naming themselves hell? Mark tell yeah, he sounds like a made up boyfriend from the Brady bunch

Yeah, yeah James Mark last summer what last summer we went to we got to first base We went to first base. We went there. We went to first base. We said it for a week. It was great. Beautiful tapas. Got cramps after all, but we got cramps. It's been too much. And where does Mark live? Time there. Mark. Oh, what color house? Oh, uh, baby powder blue. Oh, what color house? Oh, baby powder blue. Oh. So, a cusser of a different color. He has a matching.

My chain. It was a matching baby powder blue tuxedo crush velvet. Oh, get out of town. That is elegant. And satisfied. Thank you so much Mark Town. I'd like to thank all the way from Devon. We've got to get a Devon. We've got a few people in Devon, Eric. Damn the Southwest is our odd Dave. Just east of Cornwall, I think.

You're the UK geography guy because you know all the football teams. I'll believe you on that one. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's right. Devon. And they're around there, they say stuff like in mecomboy norvastirt. No, I didn't get that right, so I got that. Have another crack, come on. Always knows you, conboy norvast. Stop. Okay.

I hated that. From Devon, I would like to thank the accuracy. I hate. Yeah, I hate that. Yeah, I hate how they sound. Jellis. Right. Are you jealous of them or me of you being able to so accurately I'm the voice moifer Morpha

Oh the man of a thousand morphing voices. I would like to thank from Devon our main man Which is I looked it up just to make sure you were not gonna get a lot of angry Devon Sheet tweets, which is a lot less appetizing than Devon Sheet's. Michael Kaleen. Ooh. His house is colored in cream with a dollop of jam red. Oh nice. On top.

Because that's how they do it in Devon. They do it right. Cream first on the scone, then jam. I don't want to have this argument again. I'm a jam then cream man. Yeah, that's not that's not Devon should tell you though. That's Cornish tea. Fine. Then I like Cornish. Jam is a spread. It belongs on the bread. It's more dense like you put that on first. What do you put? I go no I'm not having this conversation again No, you put the dairy on first when you make is it butter first or is it jam first? Well, no you've added a third thing would know the butter in the cream of the dairy You put on the dairy first and then the jam on top

I hate this okay, what I like to do is butter no I don't I hate this. What I like to do is butter. No, I don't want it in detail. Then cream. And then, cream. Queen. Yeah, quameo is a little nut. That's something we thought to agree with.

We all agree. We all agree. I'm pretty sure that Michael from Devon, thank you, Michael, for your support. Would agree with that. And finally, from Canada, the British Columbia part, I would like to thank Jesse Wagner, O'Vagnar. O'Vagnar.

Wagner. O'Vagnar. Jesse Wagner. Oh, Jesse Wagner. Oh, Jesse Wagner. Jesse Wagner. And what color house does Jesse Wagner have? Is that your Canadian accent?

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I've been all over British Columbia. I'll see you. Oh, yeah, a boot. I've been all over British Columbia. I see oh yeah, a boot. Yeah So Jesse's house is painted in a beautiful mix of maple syrup gold. Oh beautiful. And Canadian red God bless Canada And God bless Jesse Wagner Wagner Wagner Thanks Jesse Wagner. Wagner. Wagner. Thanks Jesse Wagner.

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