Two In The Think Tank - 117 - Why Do Girls Wear Pink and Boys Wear Blue?

Episode Date: January 17, 2018

This week's episode is in the form of a question - 'Why Do Girls Wear Pink and Boys Wear Blue?' Well, Matt has a bloody crack at answering this... he goes back to the 1800s to a time before the pink and blue dichotomy, all the way up to modern day, today! US President FDR gets a mention and historian and author Jo Paoletti's research is referenced a lot. It's an interesting time!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] and further reading:http://www.thelist.com/32342/real-reasons-behind-blue-boys-pink-girls/https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/08/pink-wasnt-always-girly/278535/http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141117-the-pink-vs-blue-gender-mythhttp://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1654371,00.htmlhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/when-did-girls-start-wearing-pink-1370097/http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2017/07/02/boys-wear-pink-revisited/#.WlTNtVRdJE4https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229437155_The_Twentieth_Century_Reversal_of_Pink-Blue_Gender_Coding_A_Scientific_Urban_Legendhttps://www.theguardian.com/science/2007/aug/25/genderissueshttp://www.badscience.net/2007/08/pink-pink-pink-pink-pink-moan/https://www.livescience.com/22037-pink-girls-blue-boys.htmlhttp://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/10/pink-used-common-color-boys-blue-girls/https://people.howstuffworks.com/gender-color.htm Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warner here and I'm here with two of the best buds, Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello. I'm a little Rose Bud. Oh, I'm a little Gary Bud Tingwell. That's not his real name. What's his what's Bud Tingwell's person? Charles. Charles. Charles fuck Bud Tingwell. It was a Charles. I'm pretty sure. No, that's right. Yes, it is. Legendary Australian actor. I loved Bud Tingwell. See what I did there was I panicked and I said whatever the thing I said first was. And then I thought of something. What did you say? Forty-fifth of Gary.

Gary's just go to word. Go to word. It's my go to word. And why wouldn't it be? It's a good go to word. There's no good reason. No good reason why wouldn't be my go to word. Gary, the greatest city in the world.

And also name. It's the big two. And it's hard to make that big two, you know, it's hard to be both. It is really hard. Yeah, it's like how the town of Orange is the greatest town and the greatest fruit. Yes, I thought you were going to say color and I'm like, and no, no, no. Oh God, no. That actually brings me, are you gonna do some plugs first day or? No, no, you're gonna get straight to the hip. Yeah, I was gonna,

because that was a real good segue into the hip. Okay. Well, hold that thought, because I do wanna tell them, that's you listeners, hello. Hello. Hello. That's you, hello.

That the Melbourne cop. The picture listeners at, is like. Ha! Me? Yes, you! Yes, you, I just wanted to tell you that Melbourne Comedy Festival tickets for our live podcast at the end of March, start of April are flying out the door! They are genuinely selling.

That's right. Wow. And that is not a word of a lie. At least one has sold. Multiple of one. We've sold a lot of season passes too. So thanks so much everyone that's jumped on that. We're doing every Saturday at the Melbourne Comedy Festival at the European beer cafe.

And a lot of other great podcasts are doing stuff there. The weekly planet have just announced that they're doing a live podcast, our comedy buds, just before us, one of the Saturdays So that's cool Joshua L's doing I don't know who I am the little dumb dumb club will be there. So a lot of great pods Sans pants that's right So you've a lot of planet broadcasting, but also yeah Others which I only recently found out there are podcasts outside the planet broadcasting network

It's not many and It's not many. And not many good ones. God knows. But good on them. Good on them for having a bloody goat. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha.

We were talking off air about how it would be great if we got a dollar every time we made Jess laugh. And then. OK, to be fair, that time I made me laugh. Yeah, I'm going to say no. Don't put a stipulation in the last seven. It is not. And he's just laughed at herself.

But still be rich. Oh, you mean we got the money. I think it's because I'm the only one operating at my level. Do you know what I mean? I'm high frequency. And so I'm throwing a lot of things out there and you're just like, getting it. You're too low and you guys aren't getting it. Not too low.

But I get all of it. And I'm not above saying I inspire myself. Wow. But you are above us. Oh, yeah. Definitely. On the comedy pyramids. Oh, big time.

Big time. Well, a pyramid's got to have a base and I'm happy to be it. Okay. Good. Matt, you're also happy to be, maybe the middle. You can have that. I'm the middle. So you're kind of good pyramid sandwich

on this pyramid scheme of comedy. You don't get it, do you? Yeah. Hahaha. Anyway, let's get on with the show. Okay, now I don't remember what I said that was a segue into. It was something about the color orange.

Yes, and not being a favorite color. That's orange is not my favorite color. Well, the question this week is, what's your favorite color? What's your favorite color? Blue. Interesting and Dave. Also blue. That is, yours is green.

Mine is green. See, I remember. Which is half blue. Oh. Oh, that's so deep. So that is interesting. It hits me at the bottom of the comedy pyramid. That is all the way down.

Wow. That joke sentence transcended every level of the comedy pyramid. I was going to say that it belonged at the bottom of the comedy pyramid. No, because I got it. Oh, yeah, but I think that's it's broad appeal. That's what happens at the bottom of the comedy pyramid. Yeah, that's right. I'm an every man. Come jokes. He loves them. You're an every boy. Yes, I am. I'm every boy. Every boy. And think. So that's interesting. So blue and blue, that all sort of that that makes sense to me. But what would you say the stereotypical colors for young boys and girls?

Pink. For girls. And blue for boys. Yeah. So that's the topic this week is the question why do girls wear pink and boys wear blue? Oh, that's the topic. That's the topic. Wow, you're taking a bit of curveball here. I won't say what I was gonna say because I reckon you'll talk about it later.

Might do, but I mean, I'll just, so the topic came up because I do, I've got a bit about boys wearing blue and girls wearing pink, right? Like a stand-up bit. A stand-up bit. And someone came to me after the show and said, I listen to the podcast, I'd love you to figure that,

like, wear that originates as a topic. Cool. And so this week I put three topics up for the vote and all of them were going to help me with whatever one it was. I was going to like elaborate on for my festival show. So this is a part research for the show. Great. So I'm going to any jokes you make that are funny in this episode, you also are signing across to me. I'm okay with that.

I'm worried, but they will come from the bottom of the company pyramid. I'm while I was talking to Jess there, don't I? And I'm not doing a festival show, so you can have all my best jokes. Perfect. Do you like any of my jokes? You can have them. Yeah, great. All right. Any of that you want. What about one about looking like a Navi Sandman? Yeah, Navi Sandman. I'll take it off. You can pull it off. I'll take the heroin spoons. Oh, it's a good one. My jacket about looking like Steve Bishimi.

You're doing more than one. On the Navi Sandman. I'm Steve Bishimi. Goodbye. Dave's forgotten how to do stand-up. Stand-up. Staining of Asian. Accept award. Oh, thank you.

Are you saying it's still saying these things into the mic? Is that how a stand-up works? Sending avation, standing avation. Sometimes I say hold for applause out loud. That's fun. That's fun. That is good fun. Anyway.

Okay, so well, I'm curious what were you going to say? That it used to be the other way around. Yes, well that is sort of true a little bit, but yeah, that is something I'll I'll be talking about a bit. Do I have you got any thoughts of any theories? The theory. I might talk to you more at the end because I mean it's it's all a little bit vague as well because it's you know colors go back a long time and other people do not agree on how far it back it goes. Right. I'd actually have a no theory, so I've never really thought about it. Yeah, typical. That's fucking your own little bubble, aren't you?

Yeah, a blue bubble. Blue and blue. And gray. Okay, so anyway, as a starting off point, I found a few articles that reference this in the 1880s as a photo of future president of the United States FDR. You're familiar with him, Dave? Yes, Franklin Delano. Delano. Delano. I would never.

I would never. Yeah. Excuse me. It's interesting that you didn't ask me if I was familiar with FDR. You were familiar with FDR? Yes. Did you know Delano? No, I didn't. I didn't know what either. I thought I'd never heard that, but this is him. Oh, what about face? He's featured Mount Rushmore material. Now it had to describe that photo. Well, um, what's he wearing? He's wearing little ballerina style shoes.

They're T-bars, little T-bars, strappy shoes. Yeah, they were cool at my high school. Yeah, me too. But with women I will say. Yep, good call. He's wearing a dress. He says a dress, yeah. Yeah, white dress, yeah. So this is how I was described on the Smith Sony website. So he was two and a half years old at this time that describes him thusly. Sitting, primarily on a stool, his white skirt spread smoothly across his lap. His hands clasping it, a hat trimmed with a maribor feather, shoulder length hair, and a patent leather party shoes complete the ensemble. If you look at that photo now, you would likely assume it's

a little girl. I think kids don't tend to look super masculine or feminine unless it's what people put on to them right. But why? So back then, it was normal for boys to wear dresses up until the age of six or so, which was also the age where they would usually have their hair cut for the first time. Probably easier to like change nappies, isn't it? Exactly, that was one of the main reasons. A lot easier to change nappies for boys and girls, obviously. What could you lift them up by the hair?

Yes, very easy. Come here mate. Like you're sharing shape here. I'm never letting Dave babysit. Yeah, please don't ever let him need your children. Anyone listening? Just pick it up by the hair you say. If anyone was thinking never letting Dave babysit. Yeah, please don't ever let him near your children. What? Just pick it up by the hair he says. If anyone was thinking about letting Dave look after your children. Damn it.

We had a little bug at one of our live shows, Willow. Yeah, I remember picking her up by the hair. She didn't have much, so I nearly dropped her. But I'm pretty good at grabbing those tiny little ones. And they're strong in a baby. It's amazing. Really? Fine hairs on a baby are stronger.

Yeah, they're like little steel cables. I don't think that's true at all Dave. You should just pick children up by their torso. Actually, I'm very scared of holding pets and children. I don't know how to hold them. I'm okay. I don't know. You gotta know how to hold them Dave. I know how to hold them. I don't know. I got to know how to hold them, Dave. I know when to hold them. I know when to run. I always run.

Sorry, you were talking about nappies. Well, yeah, we're talking about the dresses, so and we got the nappy sandmum just here. So that outfit was used for little boys and girls back in the day, back in America. It was a gender and neutral outfit. A lot of this... Space. A lot of the Smithsonian articles, website is based around the research of University of Maryland's

historian Joe B. Pail Eddy, who wrote a book called, Pinking Blue, Telling the Girls from the Boys in America. Tell the girls in the boys in America. Did the song, the book, come with a theme song? Yes. I love it as it was. According to Pail Eddy, for centuries, children wore white dresses up to the age 6, calling it a matter of practicality. Nies are easier to change with the dress. Also, it's easier to know when they've shit themselves.

That's it, but I mean, that's true, but also the white dresses are a lot easier to bleach clean. Oh, to get rid of the poop. Get rid of the poo or whatever. Get rid of, sorry, just pointing it out. Getting rid of, you know, kids dirt and whatever, they're playing out. They're not shit. They're rolling. I thought necessarily shit. That's not exclusively shit. So I just point it out getting rid of you know kids dirt and whatever they're playing out Not necessarily shit

98% of it is Now one year grab them by the hair 98% You got a comb the hair as well because there's a lot of shit in there Just it's the 1850s. It was a different time. Hello. See how many Nadeys Dave, the poo, poo was dealt with by then.

I don't 50s, you're right. Everyone's playing up of Nilealto. We'll poo people. We evolved. We evolved mate. From poo people. It's true, it's all true. Dress is also allowed in more room to grow.

You know, pants, you know pants You're gonna have to change every few months as a kid but address You're shatty stuff, but you got changed of suit. Yeah Which happened often but only in the 1850s Kids grow out of that weird face Another reason for the white and the bleaching right was because back then dies Another reason for the white and the bleaching right was because back then dies

Weren as good or good quality dies Weren as cheap. So continuously washing clothes colored clothes It would they would fade out anyway. So if you stay with white you could keep getting it back to brilliant white with a bleach or a Nappy Sam, Marm or whatever Just you could probably talk more to that. Oxie action plus. Great, perfect. I think they should have just had brown clothes. It makes them most... They're getting shit all over them. I mean...

It's good now. These people are stupid. Why is the one color I would say probably not? I read a lot of surveys and stuff about people's favorite colors, and brown was nearly always people's least favorite color. Because it looks like shit. Bage. Bage this.

No, if you're having a Bage shit color doctor, I'm saying that right now. It's not, it's not all. How is this already? Because it stays here. And we did, I mean, nappies were mentioned, so. Look, I'm at the bottom of the pit for the of the bottom right at the bottom where the shit comes out yeah into the 1900s colorful infant clothing started to become more popular one theory is that with white dresses parents could pass the clothes down from sibling to sibling

regardless regardless of gender yeah basically stores realized that the more options they marketed the more products they could sell I really stopped my parents to be honest. Yeah, which I like the way I compare it to the other. It doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't. It really doesn't. So what kind of thing you're wearing?

Just, well some people would argue that it, some people would argue that it does. Some people would argue that it does. All right, let me tell the nephews. Disposal? Yeah. Oh my god. It's about to call child services.

You guys get a get over the Perkins house. And go back in time, about 27 years. Oh god. It's a mess in here. Haven't cleaned it up. According to a parody, initially it wasn't clear that blue was to be worn by boys and pinks by girls. In fact, there were examples of the opposite being recommended, like Jess mentioned before,

including this article from 1918, and the Earnshaws Infants Department publication saying, that's the quote, the generally accepted rule is pink for the boys and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink being a more Decided and stronger color is more suitable for the boy while blue is more delicate and dainty is prettier for the girl So similar that's the children's department. Yeah, they are very well spoken for a department of children They really are they send out the head baby In a little suit, the best baby. That's what boss baby was. Spaced us boss baby.

Oh, that's what you just said, that's what it was. What was boss baby? To me, good question. I'll fill this on. In an article on live science.com, they say that up till the 1950s chaos reigned when it came to the colors of baby paraphernalia. Also quoting Palette, she was like, she really seems like one of the main experts on this

topic. They quoted her saying that there was no gender color symbolism that held true everywhere. Her research found birth announcements, cards, baby books, and newspaper articles from the early 20th century that indicated pink was as likely to be associated with baby boys as with baby girls. So it wasn't like it was one or the other, but early days, I hadn't figured out exactly which way. Yeah.

I think you'd kind of struggle now to find anything that wasn't pink for a girl. Yeah. And I don't mean that in terms of clothing. Like, I think there'd definitely be a lot of pink, but there is some variety. But I mean, like, let's say your friend had a baby and you wanted to get them a card

and all of it's a girl card's gonna be pink. I would purposely find something that isn't, but you would struggle. I think yeah, for the most part, that's probably true. I imagine probably is a in response to that, people are probably starting to offer alternatives. Probably because there is a market for people who don't want to do that necessarily, but probably. Yeah, this is all science, man. It's probably about eight times in that sentence. Probably did, yeah.

Well, I don't want anyone to think that I'm being definite in anything I'm saying. Palette references a piece published in Time magazine in 1927 that charted what colors different departments stores used for boys and girls. It was all over the shop she set. With many including felinis in Boston, Bessonco, in New York City, Hallease in Cleveland, and Marshallfield in Chicago recommending pink for the boys and blue for the girls. According to

Palette, she found sources that recommended blue for blonde kids and pink for brunettes or blue for blue-eyed babies and pink for brown-eyed babies. So there were also, even non-nessary spit on gender lines. To do with their looks. Yeah, which makes more sense in a lot of ways that if one color favors, even if that's possible, does blue, is blue men a super blue eyes? Yeah, well, it makes the eyes look even more blue.

You know, when Dave wears blue, it's like, hello, four. It's true, it's all true I'm gorgeous what can I say so it was all a bit fluid at that stage right but from the 40s and 50s it started to coagulate into the common color gender pairings we see today oh that's good did you write that coagulate that is good it went from fluid to coagulation. Oh, fuck. Get this man to appeal it's a prize. I did coagulate and then I went back to the line before I went. I need to make this more consistent.

That is great. Is this part of you stand up? Because it should be coagulate. I think it's a laughing lot. The word coagulate. It's a hilarious word. Yeah. In any context.

Coagulate. I mean, you guys have been laughing ever since. I'm in tears. So it any context, coagulate. I mean, you guys have been laughing ever since. I'm in tears. So it's time to coagulate into the common color gender pairings we see today. Biffy boys, pink for girls. But why did this happen? Well, according to all made parletti,

it could be because of the French and their trend setting ways. Oh, those damn fronches. According to the Lafseins article those damn Frenchies. According to the Live Science article, traditional French culture paired pink with the girls and blue with boys while Belgian and Catholic German culture used the opposite. And because France set the fashion

in the 20th century, their tradition held sway. Oh. Now I get it. You laugh more at fashion than you did at Coagulate. Yeah. Because we're a confusing crowd. No, it was because we know Coagulate is clever. Right. Fashion. It's just silly. It's just funny.

It's just fashion. It's just fashion. It's funny. Fashion is frantic. The idea of this French influence is often backed up by quoting the sign from the American novel Little Women published in the 1860s. Familiar with this book. Yes. I've American novel Little Women published in the 1860s familiar with this book. Yes, I've never read Little Women.

But I'm familiar. I saw a movie as a kid. With Renault No Naurider? Yeah, I think so. Was it terrible? I don't recall it, but I remember it being with this. When No Naurider was in it. From Stranger Things.

So it was pretty terrible. Oh, I wasn't sure which way we were. Yeah, no, I was like, are you a big fan or not a fan? So this is the quote. It was a line for the book. I mean, we put a blue ribbon on the boy and a pink on the girl. French fashion. So you can always tell. That's actually a line. French fashion. French fashion. So you can always tell. That's interesting. And that's 1860s. Yes. So the French. And but I mean this is you know when you see like that quote from before saying Dainty blue is Dainty for the girls. Yeah. That was just a quote that is across everything. That's the big one they use. Dainty.

Well, that quote from that baby, whatever. The Department of Babies. Yeah, the Department of Babies quote. So when sometimes you see you're looking at, I'm talking about hundreds of articles that I read. And that one came up in, I'd say, the majority of them. So what we call a primary source. It's a primary source, but also

don't you think that makes you go, it feels like... Right, everyone's latched onto that. Yeah. Is that actually it? Yeah, I did find it. I found others, but that just seemed... I probably, it's because it spells it out so clearly. And it is quite the opposite of what we think of those colors. Yeah. What we've been trained to think now. By the man. Another theory I saw put forward a few times was that red used to be seen more as a masculine color. And red coats were a common part of the military uniforms in particular in the British

Army from the 7th to the 20th century. Pink was like a watered-down version of the masculine color, the masculine red color, and boys were like a watered-down version of men. Oh, I guess. Red was used a lot less in the military in the 20th century, while blue was becoming more common with the rise of the importance of the US Navy in the Second World War. Around this time it was popular to dress young American boys in sailor suits like Navy sailor suits. So instead of wearing a skirt now you wear a Navy suit. Navy suit. Times are changing. That is cute though. That's really cute. Oh that's so cute. I'm not sure if these things played a

major or minor role or minor role, but sort of the interesting theories. I found it interesting that red, yeah, red used to be seen as like a real army color now would be, I think it did happen when the turn of the century. Oh, because you couldn't wear red. It's not camouflage. Yeah, it's just like, it's the opposite. Hello, I'm over here. I used to be about pomp and ceremony going like,

oh, we're here, we're, we're, you know, we're loud and proud. Yeah, like I think in the, in the first world war, there was a time at the start where they hadn't really adapted to modern warfare, yeah, and the French rockup on horseback with big red, red jackets, no helmets, and they just get in their helmets and just mish, just mow down. Yes. And they quickly went.

This isn't working. Did you ever listen to hardcore history? I may have got that from that. Yeah, I remember that from that as well. And he just found that he spent a bit of time. It was then that bloody fascinating. Yeah, that was great. There's a little bit of lag in strategy.

And that only find out when they're like, oh we're getting shot real easy from a distance. Whoops, let's figure this out. Yeah, I really strongly recommend that podcast hardcore history. I'll show a lot of people do listen to it, Dan Carlin, great stuff. It's bloody great. Real long. Feel like I'm long. Yeah, gosh, that was like a six-part six-hour each episode series. Just doesn't have time for that. I'm a busy mom. I was expecting a woman. I don't think just I think just changed mid-word. I did. Thank you for hearing that. You hear me. I hear, mate. I can hear. Anyhow, according to the Women's Lifestyle magazine,

the gender divide between blue and pink was firmly entrenched in the public consciousness around the end of World War II. While women working on the American war effort were likely to be wearing blue, as depicted in the iconic We Can Do It, post you know that one? Yeah.

The strong arm. Oh right, yes, I didn't, post you know that one? Yeah. The strong arm. Oh right, yes, I didn't know what you're talking about, yes. He's got a picture of it, the We Can Do It. We Can Do It. Yeah, she is wearing blue. So that was... It's a red headband if you're still not imagining it. Yeah, she looks great.

All right, man. Not only to objectify her. So there was a German World War II. I love blue, I love blue. A a lot of women wearing blue though, but it was sort of at that stage a bit of a working class color as well, if you were on the factory floor or whatever you were wearing blue. Blue collar I guess is wrapped up in that. Anyway, I went on a slight tangent when I saw that post, it's like I don't really know anything about it. I've seen it so many times, I don't know the history of it. So I looked in it very briefly, and I got my attention because it was designed by a

Pittsburgh artist named Jay Howard Miller, and he was commissioned by the Westinghouse Company's War Production Coordinating Committee, and obviously we did an episode about George Westinghouse, a year ago or something. So he was commissioned to come up with the poster. It was only intended to motivate workers in not even across all of their factories, just in a certain area in the Midwest, I think. And the phrase we can do it was the idea was it sort of grouping management and the workers together. That's the way. Interestingly, it was only... Oh, that's the way. Interestingly, it was only displayed to Westinghouse employees for a couple of weeks in 1943.

It was only even put up in-house for a couple of years. It wasn't shown publicly or anything like that. After that, it disappeared till the early 80s when it was rediscovered and became the famous poster it is now. Really? So it's worth a popular of the time. Yeah, it just wasn't even made to be a public thing, which I found interesting.

It's really, I didn't know that. And so the way the time was for the, meant to be for the workers and the management or whatever. But now it's more likely to be seen as we, women, we can do it. And it's become like an iconic feminist poster or can it be an iconic icon? Yes. Great. I think you'd probably just call it an icon, yeah. Yeah, so I do I really love that design. That poster made by a great man from Pittsburgh. Well, actually, I don't know what the J stands for.

It could be a woman. J Howard. J Howard. When they put the initial first, J Howard. J. J. Jessica. Jessica, yep, that's a good one.

How did you struggle with women starting with Jake? I've got Jane and I'm out. I don't really see myself as a Jessica. It's Jane, I mean. Could have said Jess. We would have accepted. Well played. That is my name. Instead I went for your sister. Yes, thank you. Thank you. I guess I'm not. Oh, that was a really nice gesture. Gesture. Could it be gesture, howard? Maybe.

Yes, just was still discussing names. And the pun happened to be a pun. What pun? Going to the pun. Well, you may. Now, we'll ask Matt, because he will be able to tell us. Matt, what pun was in there? I don't even fully know what a pun is. Is this just, when Jess said Jess to there, was that a pun?

No. Yeah. Hasn't a pun. What is it a pun? It's a pun word. It's a pun word. Yeah, and Jess is my name. Yeah.

And it is what a pun is. Right. So yeah, American women often wore blue during the war, but quoting an article from the list, the list is a like a women's lifestyle website. They had a pretty good article about this. So that quoting them, one term man came back from the front line, she could trade in her oil stain blues for the flowery pink aprons that became her kitchen uniform. By a 1947 fashion designer like Christian Dior, were advertising the clothing of the post-war ideal. What did this mean for women?

A ton of soft, flowing feminine pink. So it sounds like a real weird time, the 50s where they went, oh, things were fucked there, World War II, everything was fucked. And then they went into this weird, like, sort of like coma, weather in this weird fake world. Yeah, let's make it all ideal. We won the wall. Everything's good. Yeah, women in flowers and cooking and smiling and man, briefcases, going to work. And it sounds like one of those, wood, stepped wives or something. Yeah and they're all secretly killing everyone. Something that I don't have never seen but I assume that's sort of what that's like.

Yeah, spoilers Dave. Actually I think I'm thinking of an ex-fals episode. That sounds my own. I'm not built for the 50s. I wouldn't have done well. Well maybe I would have because that's all you know. Yeah, I don't think I would have liked it smoking inside. I'm too funny.

Lots of racism. What do I mean? Yeah, you're right. Those things probably won't be more important then. Like 50 years, what do I remember? 70 years backwards in medical science. But smoking, the horse. That's fucked. I remember that,

not a good time. By the mid, I used to work in this advertising agency where we used to smoke cigars. And yeah, sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah, it sounds great. Yeah, so an ad for Mad Med once. By an ad, which is apt. By the mid 60s, though, the women's liberation movement put forward the anti-feminine

slash anti-fashion message, and according to the Smithsonian, the unisex look became the rage, but in the reverse way of the time of the young Franklin D. Roosevelt, now these young girls were dressing in masculine or at least on feminine styles. DuVoitte of gender hints. Paleo Lady found that in the 1970s the Sears Robot catalog pictured no pink toddler clothing for two years. Wow. So it sort of went, you know, it's funny how the fashions and stuff.

The what? It's funny how the fashions and stuff. I run this roller coaster ride. The ebbs and the flows. Yeah, the flows, yeah. And the ebbs. I mean, you already got it, but. I get it.

You got it. It's flowing, it's ebbs. It's flipping, it's flopping. According to Palette, one of the ways feminist thought that girls were kind of lured into a subservient roles as women is through clothing. If we dress out girls more like boys and less, like fairly little girls, they are going to have more options and feel free to be active.

So this is like 60s feminist thoughts. This from the list article again, dress like the boys, the theory went, and you were going to be taken seriously like the boys. That, dress like the boys the theory went and you were going to be taken seriously like the boys. That was also the start of the argument that there was no biological reason for girls to favor pink over blue, which we'd talk about a little bit later. And then it was the way we were raising our children that made the color and gender divide and accepted thing.

Clothing colors became, once again, gender neutral. So that's in the 70s. That's sort of 60s and 70 thing. Clothing colors became, once again, gender neutral. So that's in the 70s. That's sort of 60s in the 70s. Right, so at the time it's only been, of course, it's not really having any effect because it's only been around for 10 to 20 years. Which is like a generation. It's not many, it's not, yeah. That's right.

So, and paleoiddy sort of always said that it never really hit fully until the mid-80s. Right, gotcha. So, she reckon this is around 1985 that the pink blue gendered divide really kicked in a full swing. She remembers it well because she had her first child, a girl in 1982 and her second boy in 1986. And with the birth of her son, she recalls, all of a sudden it wasn't just a blue overall. It was a blue overall with a teddy bear holding a football. You know, everything went up a level. Like boys, boys are sports and balls and trucks.

Girls are fairies and Barbies and... She's not a man! Not men. That's 80's dead. No, I got it. That was very good. What's 90's dead sound like? Well, she's a man.

She's a man. Is that movie in the 90's? No, he's still saying she's not a man, but he's calm down a bit. Yeah. Now it's, I'm cool. Yeah, old dad it's arm cool. Yeah, all dads are cool now. Be what you want to be kids. Do what you want to do. Be what you want to be. Yeah. What was your dad's? As a man. Yeah, you had 90's dads. Yeah. We had 90's dads. And they were like, you're

a man. Yeah, dad told me I was a man. you Dave dad told me that Jess was a man. He did let you know. Yeah, yeah I mean you have a right to know No way is that true? It was 20 years, you know before you met me Not 20. It's crazy. There was such a long time when I didn't know who you were just. Yeah. Do you ever reckon there'll be a time when we're old, same-mats age, and we look back on this time, and we go, I wonder what they're doing. You know, because we've been out of touch for so long, do you think that'll happen? I'd like to get on with it.

I don't think you'll ever get to my age. That's true. It's very hard to catch up as well. Someone on the group to clubhouse later. Could you stop? Yeah, I can stop. It's kind of many times stopped, started. It's called death. Well, yeah, no, I don't do that.

Anyway, I just hope that I never lose you. Matt, please do go on. Around this time, a disposable nappies also started to become more common and they were marketed with pink or blue packaging, depending on the sex of the child. And then just like things across the board were probably done. Like that's weird, isn't it?

Yeah. That's strange. I find it pretty weird. It's just nappies. Are they different anyway? No, I don't think so. Are they? Maybe there's a little bit more room nappies. Are they different in any way? No. I don't think so. Maybe there's a little bit more room for the boys.

Do they come in for pain? Yeah, that. But you don't need to leave that much room, do you? No, I wouldn't have thought that. Because they're very little. They're very little. They're very little. They're very little.

They're very little. They're very little. They're very little. They're very little. They're very little. They're very little. They're very little. They're very little. They're very little. They're very little. They're very little. I mean, like I don't know what you mean like a man's an epi a what it's a thing. I had it Oh, it looks so funny. What are you going up to your shoulders? Oh, no, it's normally

every way except there's just a massive pouch But you'll be a lot of starters a child. Yeah, you're ever growing into yourself Still trying. Still catching up. I don't understand. Oh. Dave Saini's got. Wait, Dave, what are you saying?

Can you spell it out? I'm not spellin' it out. Small Tush, giant. Fill in the blank. Brain? Oh, that makes sense. Thank you. Yeah, I wore a nappy for my head.

It's a hat. You think you have a hat? Oh. A nappy. I'll get what that is now. Yeah, OK. I didn't get that before. Oh, boy.

It was wondering whether it was having disposable pig hats to kills. Yeah, it is weird. Disposable hats. It was in 90s. OK, somebody picked them up by the hair again Disposable hats. It was in 90s. Okay, somebody picked them up by the hair again. Although they call them something else in other places. Dipers. Dipers. Oh yeah, sorry, overseas. It's a diaper in many areas. If I had said

diaper, would you have understood Dave? Yeah. Yeah. Because you went to Disneyland once. That whole period where you were learning about nappies, you're in America. I just missed that whole bit. Dipers. One suggested catalyst for this change was the leap in prenatal testing from the 70s onwards. All of a sudden, expectant parents could determine the sex of the baby. Retailers took advantage of this. As previously, parents would prepare gender-neutral rooms and clothes for their babies.

But now they could mark it specific boy and girl, my arch and dogs. I got away from it, merchandise to the expectant parents. If they knew their second child was going to be a boy after their first was a girl, the pressure to conform would mean most parents would buy a whole second set of clothes and toys, etc. It was bloody good news for retailers. Oh, it's bloody good, isn't it? But I mean, it sounds like some think that they were the ones who were helping create. Well, I mean, if they just didn't sell, what's hard to know what kind of things.

But I think definitely they weren't... I went helping. No, I went helping because for parents and for everyone it's better if it's just everyone uses the same less waste and all that sort of stuff. Totally. And kids don't know. Could not give a fuck, I'm sure. I don't remember any clothes I wore when I was a toddler.

No. I remember maybe seeing some stuff in photos. I imagine I would have worn my older sister's hand me down. It's probably- Yeah, sure. Mum made a lot of stuff for us too. Yeah. But, yeah.

Mum needed me a saint's... She did. And saint's pajamas? Get out. Yeah. Which is quite a nitter. Yeah, yeah, big time. Diane.

Yeah, Diane can net, don't worry about that. Oh, no, I believe that. Don't you? No, I totally believe it. Yeah, big worry about that. Oh no, I believe that. Don't you? I totally believe it. Yeah, big time. I don't know why I wouldn't believe it. I mean, it's told us. Yeah, it's just a big lie.

You know I'm can't knit. I've just, yeah, caught him out. It's just like I'm an undercover cop. I have to, if you call me out, you have to admit it. Why do you a cop? Which is not, I can't be true either, right? That is not a thing. That can't be true.

I love that people think they go, yeah, you're asking they have to tell you. That's a law. That's putting their own safety. Are you an undercover cop? Yes. Yes, I am. Oh, you got me.

It's like it's like 40, 40 out of something. Some sort of backyard game. Murder in the dark, but you've got to say. You have to. Look, if I wing at you, you have to pretend to die. And if you don't, I'll tell Mum, tell Mum that you said you weren't a cop, but you were. There were so many different versions of murder in the dark. I don't even remember the really the rules. I just don't remember the lights went out.

And then someone had, maybe it's just someone died. Yeah. I can't remember. I remember. I remember. I remember had, maybe it's just someone died. I can't remember. I remember. I remember the brutal game. Oh yeah. I remember writing things down on pieces of paper and scrunching on it.

Oh yeah, that's it. I don't know what you wrote that. I remember that one. I forgot the winking one till you just said it. Yeah, did you remember that one? Yeah, vaguely. So if you were the murderer, you just had to wink at people. So I think someone went outside

while a big circle inside. Someone was assigned to be the murderer and And then they winked No from the teacher isn't my school anyway, right? She's kind of crazy now. It gave me pretend to die Yeah, and then they can add a detective came back in there to work out who was winking and killing everyone right For Christmas, I gave my brother these tiny little mini laser guns anda-guns and he had a red and a blue one. And every time he shot me with a red one I had to do a very elaborate fake death.

Like at one point I was trying to carry some drinks and I was outside and he shot me and I had to like fall to the ground. But then if he shot me with a blue one I brought me back to life. Oh, blue is life. We're 34 and 27. So blue is life. Yeah. Red is death. Correct. That and 27. So, blue is life. Yeah. Red is death. Correct.

That's fascinating. Isn't it? What is because it's basically of this blue and red, blue and pink. Yeah. Red is just the watered up version of pink. Watered up. Watered that pink up.

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words and phrases like Blufer Boys and Pink for Girls or blue for a boy and pink for a girl and lots of variations on that. And he found that those blue for boys, pink for girls ones appeared in books from 1880 onwards. So, relatively early. Well, in that search, at the very beginning of the search. Well, there's based a paper on a Google search. Yeah, I know, that's why it feels like it's pretty flimsy research.

Guys, I Googled it. I Googled it. I got 8.9 billion results. That seems like a lot. For that, that's the interesting thing. I don't think you got, it was searching millions and millions of books, and I don't, I think it was, it was nowhere near that many.

So, I think it was, he just kept hitting, am I feeling lucky? And one site kept coming up, that's one again. Something won. Oh, images, it's interesting. What does that do? It takes you to the first page. Am I feeling lucky?

Rather than giving a list, it takes you to, I've got to, you took a random one, it takes you the first one. I think it's like, this is what you're looking for. Surely it's good. We get it right. Oh, right. So that, the like, it's not that lucky. It's just the, it's probably the right one. Well, maybe, I don't know. That's my understanding. And my understanding could definitely be wrong. No, I've never known you to be wrong. Well, they still have that as a feature. Not sure.

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Yeah, she's found a few, but really, they're not representative, right? Which I found really fascinating, because there's a widely different result from what Palette had said. Del Gaducci has said, pink seems to have been a feminine color, at least since the late 19th century.

In summary, when inspected closely, the reversal in pink blue gender coating shows many warning signs of a scientific urban legend, an urban legend that somehow managed to infiltrate the peer reviewed literature, because it's all throughout like legit science. Interesting though, and kind of the problem with that is, as far as I can see, is that Paladin never said that there was a reversal in pink blue gender coding, just that it was

inconsistent until the second half of the 20th century. So his urban legend idea is kind of like a, it's a bit of a straw man sort of urban legend in itself, I reckon. Right, yeah. Because she didn't say it was a flip. He's sort of some reason saying, there was no flip. Yeah, right. As I read it, she wasn't saying there was a flip.

She was just saying it was inconsistent across the board until. It came and went. Yeah, that's right. And different areas were different things, right. Either way, Palette criticized Del Gouducci's research saying, I would never think of doing a word search in order to study something visual.

Got him. Oh, that's a fucking bad academic going back and forth, stabbing at each other. That's so good. She's basically said, well, we said, which is like, you've done a Google search. You've just Googled it. You've Googled it, you're not a fucking scientist.

Yeah. Oh, I Googled biochemistry. Oh, I got a page day now Dr. Jess in the house. I've got the good doot cheese do it. I'll just follow this good doot cheese. Follow this link It's a Google search for dickhead. Yeah Cop that hey click on images. Yeah, so first turn it off first Go on images who who's there a picture of oh Fuck it to me Have you done that?

Have you done that? I love the other thing that he doesn't even really know how Google works Yeah, even though it's easy and it's somebody's pranked him. Yeah, it's like oh fuck Tell What have you done? I hope you've done this. So funny. Someone tweeted a few weeks back that I must have been a couple of weeks ago,

we were saying, okay, Google a lot. And it was setting off her. Yes, I saw them in one. Google, huh? I love that. Okay, Google, look up Dave Warnocky's YouTube channel. J-string episode. No, I've taken it down to your list.

You're welcome. Woof. Okay, Google, find the dark web version of Dave Warnocky's YouTube channel. It's dark web, I think. Okay, Google. Okay, Google is dark web, I think. Okay, Google is Dark Webber thing. Okay, Google pawn hub.com. Do that work, everyone?

Have that work. They've seen someone diving across the room in their office. No. Oh, while the elderly grandparents are visiting. I hope Google's listening. Okay, Google's always listening. Yeah, surely they are. How good was it when the other, anyway, we're going off track, but when someone was listening

to the BTK episode from the newspaper's office. That was ridiculous. From Wichita, that was sick. From the Wichita Eagle. That was one of the coolest pieces of correspondents we've ever had. Yeah. Matt, can I interrupt you just really quickly? Jess, I'd really love you too.

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Of course you have. Anyway. Let's do it. We should hire a boat. Like a do-a-live show. Take everyone out. I don't know. I think you got to go about 45 kilometers out. What's the benefit for us?

Then we can do, we can talk about anything we want. We already do. We can do anything. We took on Scientology. I could be, I'll be unleashed back. We can hear about the things I'll talk about. Are you leashed at the moment? I am so leashed, baby.

Don't call me baby. Well, I will on international waters and there's nothing you can do about it. No, we're not going international waters, there we go, saved it. Don't make threats like that, Dave. Matt, do you know on. Okay. So recently blogger Neuroskeptic. Wow, I can't wait for what this person is up there.

Yeah, I'm dealing with this person. What? Incredible finding, though. Um, actually I think you'll find. No, I'll let you go. Eurosceptic. Actually, I think your fine vaccines are hurting people. He blogs for Discovery Magazine's website. Discovery?

He reported that Dell Gaducci has published an update to his findings. So his initial stuff was from a couple years ago. And this is from the last six months. He was reporting that while Del Gaducci maintains that the text data still shows no evidence for that Pinkford Boys, Blufer Girls, was ever the dominant patent, nothing that has not been said by Pail Eddy, but anyway, he still maintains that that was never the dominant for it to be Pinkfiboy's Blue Fagirls, which is what Pail Eddy would agree with anyway. But he has admitted that the periodicals do reveal that in the period before 1920, both Blue Fagirls and Pinkfagirlales and the reverse scheme were mentioned roughly, equally

often. Roughly, equally. Yeah. So, basically what Payaladie said all along. So just different trends, the ebbs, the flows. Yeah, and some of them were just inconsistent because it wasn't like, now there's mass media. Everyone can look at the same ads and department stores are spread across the country.

Back then there were pockets of different, oh, it's different settlements. So German areas would stick with the blue for girls for longer and there were all these different things. Anyway, so that was just a mishmash. Let's just change it completely. Like, don't worry about blue and pink. Let's go like orange for boys and Purple for girls. I am purple still quite girly. I just like the idea of just picking a cool color who gives a fuck

I don't know yellow. I don't really understand why it matters Yeah, no it doesn't blue for everyone because it is clearly the best color Well two thirds of us picked it and I sort of half did. Green is also, it's probably my second favorite, so. Big fan. I like red. I like yellow. I wear a bit of yellow. Yellow is fun.

You two look good in yellow. Thank you. Just a mustard yellow. Yeah, you two pull up. I can pull off a mustard. Thanks Dave, goes with the brown hair. Shut up, you bloody flirt. Oh my god, I can't even. I can't handle it. That's bringing yellow hat right now. Shut up, you bloody flow. Like, oh my God. I can't even.

I can't handle it. That's bringing yellow hat right now. Oh, it looks fucking fabulous. It looks gorgeous. I love a piece of that. Oh no. The piece of that. I've gone too far.

You can't have a piece of that. Oh, objective. Oh, objective, I'd miss that. Don't object to fool my hat, man. So today it's all about pink for girls and blue for boys. So much so that you'll see bald baby girls with pink headbands to assert their femininity, right? So you can get someone to grab on to when you want to pick them up for the headless babies. Yeah, exactly

that's what the headband is actually. That's a full yeah. I can't think in the word. No, it's a full harness system harness Yeah, a couple of carabinus thrown in for fun. Wow. Yeah, it sounds like you're probably just gonna rip babies heads off Dave is that what you're trying to do my intention. I just want to pick them up Okay, you know babysitting my future non children You're having non children. Yeah, I'm having non. Like non as like old Italian. Yeah, cute little non as. But they're gonna walk around feeding me.

Oh, I thank you. That's a great idea. It's gratsy. It's not gratsy, you uncultured swine. Jess isn't gonna be the non, are you full? Her children are not as gratsy. No, you gotta thank the non, uh. All right, let's work this out.

I'm gonna thank the non, and how do I do that again, so Dave? Gratsy. Oh, you gotta thank the Nana. Oh, right. I'm gonna thank the Nana. And how do I do that again, so Dave? Grat-C. Oh, yuck. So, Jess, you wanna give us a grat? No, you butcher the language. Grat-C. Berra.

I did four years of Italian. So did I. Mmm, see. Multibany. Va bene. Va bene. You know, I'm actually one-sixth-n 16th Swiss Italian. Okay. All right. Andiamo. I'd even one eight Yeah, one eight

Andiamo love when people go right down to it. They like come at the yummy Mickey Amo Matayo Vickiamo Jess We Aussie X and quanti anni ai See We're Aussie, yes. Quantie on the eye. See. That's the whole day. That's the whole day. Yes.

Yes. I haven't got old. Quattro multi-banny. Wow. Full, very good. Not even very good, multi-good. Is that out of five? Out of five?

Fullty good? Yeah. Fullty goodness it had a five? A lot of five. Yeah, okay. Like this. Four out of five, baby. Pretty good, I'd be like, baby. Oh, so if you go to the supermarket, obviously products, or in pink packaging for girls, blu-f-a-boys. But even for adults, not even just kids, like pink raises and pink deodorant. Yeah, that's true.

How weird is that? Well, men stuff is usually black. Black. It's like pink raises and pink deodorant. Yeah, that's true. And where is that? Well, men stuff is usually black. Black, because you're a man. Yeah, it's so funny. So weird. That was a, did you see that term research that came up recently? It was a smallish study.

I think they were saying that men will be less likely to be environmentally friendly if it's in pink packaging. Or just the idea to be environmentally friendly if it's in pink packaging or just the idea of being environmentally friendly feels feminine to them, I think it was saying. So men who would avoid things that are pink would also avoid using products that advertise themselves as environmentally friendly. The same kind of people who are like threatened, they're masculinity's threatened by colors, are also have their masculinity threatened

by being environmentally friendly. That doesn't surprise me at all. Yeah, this is interesting, but it just seems really odd, but again, it's like one small study, you know. These always feel like, a lot of these studies, I feel like people go, I want to prove something, how do I prove this thing? I asked 13 people at the pub last night, and 11 answered.

Granted, it was a rugby team. And two of them just went in the room at the time. They were trying to, two out of 30, not answering is not a good result. I liked it. According to that article on the list, they ponder the question, do we assign genders to these colors because that's what girls and boys like. What do we gravitate towards these colors because that's what they're dressed in and

that's what they've seen their peers doing, right? Is it like a chicken or the egg thing? What do you reckon? I'm just thinking of times that I've been part of the problem. That's what my face was doing. I was like, oh, shit, I've done that. What's that? I bought a two pack of toothbrushes recently

and they were blue and red. And I took the red and gave my boyfriend the blue. Even though blue is your favourite colour. I know. That's interesting. And why? What's wrong with red? No, I like red too, but...

What I'm saying is that red's not like a classically feminine colour. No, I know, but it's pretty similar to the blue and pink kind of argument, isn't it? Blood is red and we bleed. Yes. Unwin and bleed. Yes. Unwin and bleed. Do you bleed, Dave? And we blade yeah Yeah, only when and believe you blade Dave If you prick me Doth I not bleed

Doth I'm prick Dave He's a prick a time I'd break it out a prick a broken out of wind How to break a break that's true. It is hard to break a break it really is But I actually I think it is there, because I find it hard to not, we all go, when you ask the question, blue for boys, pink for girls, even if you choose not to in my mind, I feel like it has been programmed in there by these marketing people. Yeah, not by me. though I do like blue.

It's my favorite color. I think that that's a natural thing. But I think because we're so aware of it now, do you think it's possible that there will be a change? Or would it be a very conscious one? I think I imagine a will change, because it's only been around for such a short amount of time. If you believe the studies that we've been talking about and the research we've been talking about, it's only been around for

a little while. Some people are like, it's innate, women like pink and like blue. Some people try to do studies to prove that, you know, and said that they have been able to prove, which I'll talk about in a second. We're not too far from the end. But this, so this, oh, sorry, your question. I really think that we will, I think we will change again. I think we'll move away from that. Yeah, maybe in a hundred years.

Yeah, trends and stuff just, they change around and usually it's something we're abelling against the thing that came before. So it'll be interesting. And sometimes this one seems a little faster for a while, but it did seem like there were periods in those earlier years. Periods. Yeah. Oh, they were em and bleed. We're, um, but adult, like, you know, it's not really a song. Yeah, it's an Alice Cooper song.

Only women bleed. Yeah. Was covered by John Farnham as well. The voice. Two of the greats. I often lumped them together. But please do go on, Matt, sorry. So, so that whole, you know, what comes first, right? Is it us or is it, is it, is it what we already, we do we innately think blue for boys and pink for girls or is that something we've been trained to do. To me, if you believe the things like everyone was dressing in white 140 years ago,

then it seems like how is it innate, right? It's just isn't. But was that for practicalities then that overcame these other things? And when we started to get to choose colors that we chose, to me, it feels like bullshit. But anyway, these are questions that people ask, right? And there's been a lot of studies into it with mixed results. To me, it feels like bullshit, but anyway, these are questions of people asked, right? And there's been a lot of studies into it with mixed results.

This is a quote from the list. One study done in 2011 offered babies the choice between two nearly identical objects. One was pink and the other wasn't. When they were one year old, there was no difference in the number that chose pink or the other color. By the time they were two years old, many of the girls were choosing pink. By four, the gender divide was evident on both sides, with most boys now refusing the pink item. Another study did the same thing by separating a group of three to five year olds into two different shirt colors. One group in blue shirts, one group in red shirts,

but not on gender divide. Each was told that their shirt color was the best color, and three weeks later there was a clear divide there two kids that wore blue shirts, picked blue items, and kids who wore red shirts gravitated towards red. So that- So you can program. I mean, based on that 2011 study, you would say that makes it seem pretty clear that it's a program thing. Seeing as kids at one year old didn't care about whether it was pink or not, there was some sort of innate thing, but it was different to four years later. And apparently that's around the same time where kids are actually realizing what gender they are, or what sex they are, and notice that other kids are different and sort of that plays in order as well.

Yeah, potentially. Interesting. There was a study conducted in 2007 that was widely publicized by the media with headlines such as Time Magazine's study, Why Girls Like Pink, which grabbed my attention, I'm like, oh, this. Here we go. So that's for a few questions.

This is the opening paragraph, it just starts strongly. When shopping for baby gifts, everyone knows the blues for boys and pinkers for girls. But now there's evidence that those colors may be more than just marketing gimmicks. The may made me like a no, but anyway. You started so strong. That was so confident.

But anyway, I'm listening. I'm interested. And the third paragraph said, so the second paragraph went on, I'm a simple thing. And then the third paragraph said, on average, the study found all people generally prefer blue, something researchers have long known. The study also found that while both men and women

liked blue, women tended to pick redder shades of blue. This is in the article that is titled Why Women Like Pink. You might like a blue or blue than I like. Maybe. For I am a woman and I am not. Isn't it amazing? So the way they did this study. I'd like to fact check that. That's why you checked his junk. Oh no, check one happy. Which I still work.

You man, nappy. That's why I was wondering why you were in a hat around your junk. You have been confused for a long time. You're going to flip your lid? I'm going to flop. I'm going to flop my lid. That's unfortunate. So the way they did this study, and it really was like it was picked up by media. If it came out now, you definitely would be talking about it at work or I could Dave. It's that kind of study. The ones that just get picked up across all

newspapers and websites and they just run with it because it's a great headline. Good conversation father. Yeah, and I found many, many articles about it. Some, you know, favorable and some just got basically just repeating what the press release would have said. So the way they did the study was they first showed block colors, you know, like blue was favoured by men and women when they showed multiple different colors. But then they started showing blended colors and they found men preferred green blues and women red blues. How this proves women like pink, I do not fully understand. To me it kind of proves the opposite, like they like blue. It's a blue and pink of the options. And men and women prefer blue and

according to them, it's been long known. Because that did come up a lot. Blue just seems to be across the board. People's favorite color, which is why I thought that was interesting that YouTube both feel that way. We are very vanilla people. I mean, it's the color of the sky, the color of the ocean. Two of the most... I wish. Where pink is the color of nothing.

I know. It's really hard to think of pink things. Whereas... Don't go to your pink things pink things, whereas. No, I don't think, don't Google pink things. Okay, Google. Pink things. Pornhub.com. Yeah.

Like your pink bits, you know? Yeah. Do you know what I'm talking about? Why not? I did that. A genital. Yeah, all right. Genital.

Okay. How do you say, how do you say, yeah, genital? How do you say, yeah, how do you say how do you say Jenna? How do you say? How do you say? Just give me some burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr burr So basically the end here. I just got this quote from an article on the BBC, which I think some things up a little bit.

Very studies have looked at color preferences in different age groups. In the US, most have found that babies and toddlers, whether male or female, are attracted to primary colors such as red and blue. Pink doesn't feature high on the list, although it is more popular than brown and gray. Yeah, because they fucking suck. Yeah, this is sadness. Brown is poo and gray is sadness. I could understand brown more than pink in a little ways, because brown is so nice.

So you know, it's chocolate and it's coffee and it's the dirt and it's trees. It's just everywhere, right? Shit. I know, kids are saying more shit than coffee. What does pink occur naturally? Some flowers, same as... Fairie floss. Would you obviously naturally occurring fairy floss?

Fairie floss. Yeah. What else is there? That's pink. It's the sunfits. The jackets that the pink ladies wear. In Greece. That's a good point.

Naturally occurring. Of course, they found those jackets. elderly ladies, the pink rints hairdo. Oh, I know the purple elderly ladies the pink rints hair do Oh, I know the purple rinse blue rinse Pink rints they guess from all sure probably do fair. You think a fairy floss again. Ah, yes You saw that time a woman had fairy floss. No, that was a yeah, anyway That was gonna be a real good riff Some studies of this age group have found blue is favorite, others read,

but they rarely find any gender difference. So that's the BBC quote. So what do you guys think? What do you guys think about it? Do you think it's chicken or do you think it's egg? And what does that mean? What? What?

Okay, a great question. And the one that's hard to unpack. I'm afraid that's all we have time for. Yeah. To me, it does, and I feel like this whole report has probably been leaning towards the side of it's, it's taught rather than in the current. Yeah, I think it is. It's like a marketing gimmick, like many things in our society can't have to be.

I think it sort of comes down to a perception thing too. Like I this phone cover, I nearly didn't buy because the background is pink and I don't really like pink, but it has a little avocado and a piece of toast holding hands. It's fucking adorable and I love avocado on toast, but I didn't want to get it because I didn't want to have a pink phone cover. That looks so good on a yellow. Oh, yeah. Imagine that. I wouldn't have even hesitated if it's on a yellow. That pink is reminding me of strawberry milk which I love. I love strawberry.

I love strawberry. I pick strawberry over chocolate for a milk shake. I get banana then strawberry. No. Unless it's fake banana. Fake banana is pretty, pretty wrong. Okay. Banana smoothie I pretty, pretty wrong. Banana smoothie I'd take.

Sure. Anyway, what are we talking about now? I love this smoothie. Yeah, it's like it's sort of set up, especially if people haven't been doing it for a long time. Well, there, and also there's all these different areas that actually did the opposite. Say, if that is true that the German Catholics

dress the kids differently, if that is true that the German Catholics dressed the kids differently, there's one theory that for a while Christians did the opposite as well, red was seen as being more Jesus-like, the blood of Jesus and His sacrifice. And blue. And Jesus, please. Blue of Virgin Mary,

like she was often depicted wearing blue. Mary doesn't please. So that was, that's one theory why that's true. I don't know. I couldn't seem to find anything that's back that up in Necessarily, but a lot of this is A bit seems like you did a bit more research than Scaramucci that Did he did it was too busy doing the Fandango is he doing the fending? Oh, one interesting thing. So you want to have some, these are fun-sash dull facts. So Dave, you're the expert on dull facts, just on fun facts. I'm hoping that one of you will claim each of these. Okay, if it's somewhat, if started cutting here, this is Matt coming in later, this next

fun fact, the first one fact. As I was editing I'm like, did I even check this out? I saw it on one source, which could be a bit dodgy and then I try, I've just tried to look it up now and it's the only place that says it. So it is almost definitely bullshit, but I've left it in because I thought Dave was being really funny talking about it. So sorry about this, real dumb of me. It was the very last thing I read before we went into the studio to record.

And I didn't, I didn't bloody check it. I've let you down. I've let myself down. I'll let my family down. But most of all, I've let you down. I've let myself down, I'll let my family down, but most of all, I've let you down, I've let myself down, and I've let my family down. Sorry about that.

But anyway, China probably invented pink for all I know, but it certainly doesn't seem like it first or when introduced to it by the West. Apparently, China never saw pink until they had contact with Western culture. Dull. No. I think that sounds fascinating. So that means it's Dull. Okay. Look how excited it is. I'm the captain of fun and I'm bored by that. But I imagine someone that you don't know. The captain don't know that this comes over the hill and they have a color. Although you've never seen.

I thought that was fascinating. That's great. It could happen, unlikely. But it could like an alien species comes in and goes, this is poop. Pfft. Pardon? Poof.

Enjoy. And we're like, all right. Thank you. Red and orange and pink and poop! I have a question! So this is how you live! Can we have the help? First of all, I speak English!

Well, they speak every language they very cleverly. Secondly, I only came to Earth to give us poop. And then they left. Oh, I didn't say they left. Oh, you did. You said, didn't they say bye? Oh, probably. Goodbye.

Well, then he said, I could have been going back over the hill. To get another color. Get another color. What other color would I get again? Well, was he just grabbing a color from over the hill? Yeah. So let me go grab it. What color, what other color was he getting?

Poom. Poom and. Lot, poom. Yeah. Yeah, let me go grab it. What color what other colors are you getting? Hump Pump and light And then we say mate, don't try and pull the wool over us that is clearly just a different shade of poop He's over the hill with a mixing bucket of white paint and he's just diluting it to his into his poop This is also poop into his poop paint. This is also poop. We're at the point where we can't, we're beyond discovering new colors now, right?

Yeah, well, because you know, when you get the light of a prism, you can see all across the spectrum. Right, and they've done that. But there are, I think, colors that are possible for a result. We can't see with our eyes. Right. But some animals can see him.

Some animals can see them. But who can see poop? Poomp. So you can see poop? Yeah, we can show us. Imagine we're not enjoying it if we can't see it. Yeah, he says this is poop. And you're like,

You're like, I can't see it. And he's like, just trust me. It's there. This is pretty impressive. Mate, you gotta bucket a water. And he's like, just trust me. It's there. This is pretty impressive. Mate, you got a bucket of water. But. Interesting that the alien is a male. He said he was male.

He said, hey. You just said hey. I think I said, bud. What? But ting well. I mean. Do you have another doll fact that I have to lose you shit over? I said hey, because the alien is a hung like a horse.

I didn't mention that. Right. And in alien, alien world. Same genie, same genie. Same genie. How do you say how do you say genie? Maybe that's what the J was the initial thing of a Jenny. Maybe. Jenny, that was another J name. That was a great fact, Matt. I led, I actually lived with the one I thought was most interesting. Always a good idea, yes. Jess will be so bored by the end of this. Yeah, all right. Pinto, have you ever heard the term Pinto?

Your bloody Pincos? Oh, I was Pincu who was Japanese for Pincu. That's our Pingu. That's our Pingu. That's our Pingu. That's our Pingu. That's our Pingu. That's our Pingu.

No, Pingu. Pingu. Yeah, like your bloody Pinc penguin. No, pinker. Pinker, yeah, like a... Pinker, your bloody pinker. It's like a... Communist left. It's communist left, and I never put it together, but the idea is that they're like a watered down communist and red is the color of communist, and so that's why they're a pinker. I didn't know that, anyway, that's the thing.

Hey Dave, what did you think of that fact? That is great, because I didn't... I'd never put two or two together another. So, you know what that means, don't you, mate? Another dull fact, look. Another dull fact, yeah. You're a lighting me up over here, mate. And I am full of stupid.

So just, yeah, David's a guy who lives in facts. I live for stupid things like this. What do I live in? I know. You're just living a happier place than us. You're a higher power. You're in the top of the pyramid. Interesting.

You are God. I am God. Poop. I am poop. Theop carry on. I am poop. The leader in Giro di Italia. The leader in Giro di Italia. The cycle race, where's a pink jersey? It's like the yellow and the, the, the, the, the, different. But in the, so is that the big Italian? Yeah, so the three, they call them the grant,

I think it's the grand tours. Right. The Spanish one is for the North. Gosh, camera was cold. So I think pink is sort of like yellow. They're colors that stand out, right? Yeah. So they make sense as that kind of lead us.

Well, I mean, it's a fluora of pink. Yeah, it's not a, it's not a, a musty. You really stand out from the punk. What was the call? Boom boom. Um, all right. Here's another. Love Walter. I don't even need to tell you what that was. You know, I know. Well, I know. No, look on that face tells me you know, I'm not even addressing any of these to you. You know, you may as well. That's rude. You could step off you could step off just for the record can I go home yeah I think so

so no one tweets me I know it's love welter is the Spanish one great I don't know what color they have though don't tweet him tweet him boom and spoken about on our Montreal screw job episode pink breath the hitman heart, the hitman heart. But he also, for a little while, co-owned a hockey team called the Calgary Hitman. Hitman. That makes more sense.

And they originally, they were a pink outfit. Today, a uniform. Pink. We're kind of pink though. All right, guys, put on your outfits. Put on your outfits. Get team outfits. Dan, and then the final one, I think that one might not have even been. Did I get either of you at all in our set?

No. No, I liked it because I like Brett Laman Hart. So, dull. And then finally, in 2015. Now he's owning the dull. So now I'm loving it with a dull. In 2013, 30 cells in Swiss jails were reportedly painted pink in an attempt to calm aggressive prisoners down as part of a project called Cool Down Pink. Love it.

A police spokesman in the town said, it really seems to work. They quietened down and go to sleep much more quickly in a pink room. Wow. That is very dull And I love it. I actually kind of enjoyed that one. Oh, okay Apparently they put them in there for about two thousand and normally they're asleep in 15 minutes Cute but apparently also a lot of the prisoners hate it again. I need to know what shade Yeah, it's a soft calming pink. I don't sleep well, so any tricks I can get.

Yeah, apparently pink, I've read that a few times, pink is a real. It's a dream. Because I was imagining like electric pink, like as pink. Hot pink. Like, that wouldn't make you feel like. Yeah, it would be overwhelmed. I make you want to just have fun. I think it would be a bit crazy.

I think you're like a wet pink, So it looks, I don't know. A wet pink. Like an oil, like it looks oily. It's like a wet pink. A wet pink. Yes. I was thinking like a real soft pink. A dry pink.

I make sense. No, I don't think you want to dry pink. A wet pink. No, a wet pink. No, a powdered pink. You couldn't think of the word glossy. I think I'm still thinking wet. It looks wet. Like it hasn't dried. Yes. Right. of the word glossy. I think I'm still thinking wet, it looks wet.

Like it hasn't dried? Yes. So it's glossy. No, I bet it's ripping it in the wall. But it's wet. I think it's drunk. Anyway, that is the episode. I felt like that was great.

That is when you said the topic, I thought, can you get it a whole hour out of this? And you did more. So great sound. Boy, did you did more. So great sound. Boy did you. No that was that's I've never thought about it, but now I have. And you did it. At the end of that my children no matter what will be wearing blue because it is definitely the best color. Yeah people are attracted to blue. I'm gonna put my kids in cute clothes, regardless of the color of them.

Yeah. Mine'll be dressed in saints uniforms. Red one, black baby. Mine's red, mine's white, mine's black. Three kids. Put them together. A little emo kid. Yeah, that's no good on a hot day.

What are the child? Kid and white, all in white. Yeah. You can have a lot of trouble cleaning that. You can have your reserve help. Yeah, now don't worry. It's just a... Put them all in dresses. So they can shit all over white. You can have a lot of trouble clean that you're going to have your reservoir help. Yeah, now, don't worry. It's just the pretty more addresses. So they can shittle over them. Is that right? Is that why? Well, thank you, Matt. And thank you to everyone, the support,

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Okay. Pledge number. Let's give them all a color. Yeah, great. We did give colored houses last week with the blue and blue. How about us? Oh yeah, we did. We have three of colored. How about us?

This time we'll give them a color. A shade. Color nappy. Great. Great. Well Color nappy. Great. Great. Well, nappy will be wearing it. I mean, that's another thing, like, can't like now. It's not like gender is binary.

Like, that's pretty clear, right? So it's even on that level, it's quite bizarre that there's only people right to colors. It's like, sure, yeah, yeah, great point. So it, like, I feel like it's only matter of time before it's abandoned. But there will be, like, this, great point. So it like, it feels like it's only matter of time before it's abandoned. But there will be like this for a while, people will say PC, police and stuff.

But I've got to just want my daughter to wear pink. It's like, Why can't girls just wear pink and boys wear blood and men hit their wives? You know, she's that escalated. Sorry for getting too real, Matt. So it's a bit real. So it's a real. Who wants to start? Okay, I would like to thank. This is our Patreon supporters. Thank you so much. From Sierra Vista. Meaning, the O'Aill's for China. So what's that mean?

I was like, meaning, there are whales for China. So what that means? I would like to thank Joshua Rammalfield. Good name. Great name, Josh Rammalfield. And what color Nappy, diaper, would Josh have? Ooh. I want to say Move. Move?

Well, that's a great color. Sierra means a long jagged mountain chain, and Vista means viewer. So mountain view. That's right. View of the mountain. That's nice. I'm guessing it's a mountain-ish place.

Do you approve of the Moeves Nappy for Josh? Not mountain-ish. Mountain-ish. Big confession. Yeah. I know a few things, but I'm very bad with color. It's like a purpley color. It's like a white purple.

That's what I was imagining, but I wanted to confirm. Correct. And that's kind of why I instead of saying purple, I said move. Just to, I was like, let's fuck with Dave, because he's a fucking idiot. Okay. So Josh, you've got a move diaper. Congratulations. And thank you for your support.

Use it wisely. I would also like to thank Jacob Polnow. Polnow, Polnow. Polnow, Polnow, Polnow often. Jake, Jacob, what color is Jacob wearing? And he's from... Just... I can't...

Kawashka. Cuska. Cuska. Cuska, that makes sense. No, there was no hate in there. Cuscom, is that Wisconsin? Let me see. Wisconsin. Okay, so Jacob from Cuscom, Wisconsin. What color? I'd say lime green. Oh, you've got to go with your gut. Yeah, you gotta go with your gut. You gotta go with your gut.

lime green, that's nice, very fresh. And into that nappy he will go with his gut. Got first Dave. Can I please underline what just just said in thanking Jacob Polnow? What a name. I love it. It's a great name. I don't know if that is an option.

Polnow. It's like a call now. What a name, I love it. That is a great name. That is an awesome name. Poll now. It's like a call now. Poll now. Poll now. Only for people with who communicate with polls. I think there is a website called Poll now. Do you think you can't remember that? If you did, all the best. If you did, all the best, if you didn't, oh, fucking, fucking. I'd love to thank from County Antrim, almost definitely not had a pronouncian R, County in Ireland. Although it says G.B. So does that mean maybe that's Northern Ireland?

That would make sense. Ian Irving from Cark Fergus. Oh, that was good. Cark Fergus, Ian Irving, Ian with twous. Oh, that was good. Caracfergus, E and Irving, E and with two eyes. Oh. Okay, and what color then? I'm thinking Cerulean. Oh, you're fucking Googling colors.

No, no! I'm just saying colors and then let me do the blue. You know Moves. You know Cerulean. Cerulean blue. What the fuck is that? Cerulean, actually, I think I know that because that's what Frida Carla's house was painted last week. Oh, that's aian blue. What the fuck is that? Surrull, it's actually I think I know that because that's what Freda Carlos house was painted. Oh, that's a nice blue Julian, that is a very nice blue. Yeah, that's my kind of blue. Here's me too and that I'm gonna give a day in

That's nice. You can shit into my blue wall. They Shit into my blue My life's first you swimming in pink. No, he's sitting in the blue. No, he's sitting in the blue. No, he's sitting in the blue. No, he's sitting in the blue. No, he's sitting in the blue. No, he's sitting in the blue.

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No, he's sitting in the blue. No, he's sitting in the blue. No, he's sitting in the blue. No, far off the Swedish flag blue? Oh, so maybe he could have the yellow? I was thinking yellow, genuinely. Yep, I think so. But like a nice yellow, not a mustard, like a bright... Like a Swedish yellow. Like a Swedish yellow. Yes. Dracking, you'd be happy with Swedish yellow or Swedish man?

I hope so. I'd be happy with Australian blue. I reckon we give him true blue as a backup. Australian true blue. True blue. True blue. That true blue. That true blue.

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True, blue. I hate it. I'm asking you. Is it the same guy that sings up there? Cause A, Lee's on same. Different guys, the same guy sings rip, rip, wood chip, put him up your banner. I don rip wood chip put them up your banner put them up your banner

I thought I knew what's happening I thought I knew I realized I didn't shove it up your banner mate shove it up same guy saying give us a home among the gamma oh no this one lots of palm trees a shape but you're gonna hang a roof it blows light out the back, They're under out the front, Then it all rocking chair. I sing all the way to Prossa in Washington state, where one of the best live,

and that best person's name, is Patrick Burnett or Patrick Burnett. Hmm, Bernie. Patty. Patty, Patrick. Someone's Mmm. Bernie. Patty. Patty, Patrick. So I'm coloring my feelings for Patty. What are you feeling? Give me something.

Well, because I was singing and burning. I couldn't help but think some sort of charcoal. Fuck off. I literally thought charcoal. Charcoal. I think that's the content. Did you look at the wall too? Because I looked at the wall and saw charcoal.

He's darker as the charcoal. Wait, I didn't ever, I missed that. I was wondering what you're talking about. Are we coloring their diapers? Yeah. Right. Last week we colored their houses. Is we coloring their diapers?

Charcoal. Am I saying diapers? Well, we get to see her in America. Because he's in Washington. Gotcha. Makes sense. Jesus, Matt. Pay attention.

But yeah, charcoal for Patrick. Patrick Burnett. Or Patrick Burnett. Please enjoy your charcoal diaper. Charcoal's charcoal for Patrick. Patrick Burnett or Patrick Burnett, please enjoy your charcoal diaper. Chakal's a beautiful color. I love charcoal. I'm wearing a charcoal t-shirt right now. That's charcoal. That's charcoal. Jesus Christ, Dave. Sorry. And I would like to thank finally from Mount Gambia in our great state of South Australia. This will be the second largest city. This will be a nappy.

What? Oh, Mount Gambia is. I thought you was saying South Australia was the second largest city. I was like, oh dear. A little fun fact about South Australia. I would like to thank the resident of Mount Gambia, Alice Lasslet.

Alice. Alice Lasslet. I'm thinking Lassie, I'm thinking golden. Ooh, gold, gold nappy. Gold nappy. Oh, how regal. The how rare. Good for you, Alice.

I'm actually out and giving at least a couple of goes because like it's a soft metal, so that much. Yeah. Malleable. Yeah. Good for you, Alice. Thank you, Alice. You're not the most absorbent,

but hopefully you're not shitting yourself anymore. Yeah. Really, it's just not a bad thing. Just decorative nappies. Yeah, we're just giving you all underpants, actually. I have a nice, you're a lot of adults. I think I've said the word underpants in a while. Underpants.

And the pants. Sounds so formal. Um, these. We usually call them. I don't know, red grundies. These don't wear them. I don't wear them. We'll talk about them.

I'd just doesn't come up in conversation a lot. Well, I'm thinking about them daily. I'm bringing them up. Yeah, never, never talking about them. Bringing them up at the meetings at work. It's very strange. First thing I say at work, morning, how's your undies? You must.

Which not encourages that kind of behavior and the current climate of the world. Interesting. The traditional grading in TV. The work plan radio. That's where I worked, TV. Sorry, telephone. You work in telephone, don't you?

I work in T.P. Tell it, baby. Yeah. But I'm going to say, it's a big thank you to Alice Patrick, little kiss, Ian, Jacob and Joshua for storage memory, Warnakie. Thank you so much. Thank you so much everyone that does support the show at patreon.com slash do go on pod and you want to drop us a line at any time.

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I still go through both hats, but the new hat is so much easy to use that it's probably worth putting it back in there. Yeah, if you got a ripping topic, put it in there. I've moved a bunch from over, but they don't have like, they're missing so much information

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What could have been, had it been even harder topic, out thing to search for and... Good point. ...than do go on, is. Good point. No, that's the beauty of it. Oh, yeah. I think.

If I understand technology. I don't, I don't get it. I think in the modern age, you want to be unfindable. Yes. That's one of the buzzwords I've been here on. Unfindable. Unfindable. That is real buzzword.

Mm. But also, do hit us up if you want it if you're part of this comedy cruise that I'm thinking about comedy cruise on international waters No Look if you can make an happen Dave. I'm up for it. I knew you would be meant never me again all the sudden expected parents all the sudden expense Never may again. All of a sudden, expectant parents. All of a sudden, expectant parents. That's not gonna seem like a natural love. He's still fucked it.

No, no, no. All of a sudden, all of a sudden, expectant parents. As previously previously parents as previously parents would prepare gender I've put a comma there in all goods but as previously gent as previously gent I love you so much. I love you. I love you. I love you. I can't, I can't, I can't hear you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you too, Jess. Yeah. I love just kidding, it's a little whisper in my ears, are you kidding that? Yeah, good. I love you. I love you too, Jess. Yeah!

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