Do Go On - 119 - Queens of Sydney Underworld

Episode Date: January 31, 2018

From the 1920's, Kate Leigh and Tilly Devine did two things - they ran the Sydney Underworld and they HATED each other. This week we delve into the lives of these two fascinating women and their bitter feud!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]: http://www.rejectedprincesses.com/princesses/kate-leigh-and-tilly-devinehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Leighhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilly_Devinehttps://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/magazine/galleries/tilly-devine-and-the-razor-gang-wars  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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And welcome to another episode of Dugo 1. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here as always with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hey Dave, hey Jess. Hello, Dave Warnocky and Matt Stewart. I love this song. I'm going to talk this course slowly. Matt's got a new phone. The whole episode.

That's ringing. Matt's phone is ringing. He wants everyone to know that he's got a Google phone now. What? How do I answer? What are you talking about? Where's the answering bit? Oh, stop.

Okay. You couldn't figure out how to answer it. It was not clear. Hang on. I'm going to call you now because I want to see what it looks like. Yeah. I didn't see. It's going to be real clear now, isn't it?

I think I must have flicked out of it at the time. I'll go to it. You're not saved in my favourites if we're being honest, so I've just got to find you here. I didn't even know you could have favourites. Yeah, you wouldn't know that. There's Matt Stewart. Hang on, don't touch your phone. I'm calling you.

Show us what happened to Matt. Oh, that wasn't happening. You pressed the fucking answer button. That wasn't happening. It's a green phone button. It's literally a green phone. Sorry, can we hold that? Hello?

Hello? That's weird. Oh, bloody hell. Jess doesn't know to operate her phone. She's bummed dialed you again. Prank call. Yeah, I'm out the front. I'm pranking you.

feel still do that? I did it recently. Do you remember when you used to prank someone if you didn't have any credit and they'd call you back? Yeah. You'd give them two rings. And if they answer, you'd be like,

hang up! This is a prank. Don't enter! It's a prank. Yeah, I've pranked someone recently to let me back into the house. I'd message them as I left. I was like, I'm going to prank you

when I'm back so you can let me in. We have a fantastic episode for you this week. I'm sure. I don't, I was going to say, what do you go to some inside knowledge? Can't categorically say that. But I'm confident that Jess Perkins, who has been bringing it for the reports lately, the BTK killer in her last episode, one of the best we've ever done in my opinion. Really?

Yeah, that's one of my tops. That's right up there with the collar bomb killer. You're kidding. Yeah. Oh, that's nice. Especially because during it, I realized it was a solved mystery and not a mystery. Yeah. That was such a good, one of the best moments of my life.

I never said mystery, so I'm not really sure where you got that from. But you had it in your head and that's fine. I think Dave said it maybe or something. Yeah, probably. Poisoned him. boys and you. Anyway, I'm glad I wasn't paying close enough attention early and was late. Finally, you not paying attention pays off. We gave you a nice little buzz there. So no pressure, Jess, but it's your report again. And can you back up your best report ever

with your new best report ever? Yes, is the answer to that question. Hell yeah, I'm on board. Now, if you haven't heard this show before, one of us is signed a topic by the listeners. People suggest topics and we pick them. And this week it is Jess has turned to report on a topic that Matt and I have no idea what it is. And this one, I believe, was voted by the Patreon supporters. That's right. The Patreon supporters are voting for my episodes now. And I put to the hat four options.

Okay. And I said, which of these badasses would you like me to report on? We do love a good badass on this show. Yeah, we've done quite a few. And honestly, I'm, I was, I wanted to do this topic. This is the one that I wanted. But I thought, I'm not sure if this is going to get picked, because there was some good contenders in there.

There's some good bad asses. But the people, I don't know how they knew, but they knew, and they made a very good choice. So I do have a question. I wrote a question just before while you were rambling. I wrote a question. And my question to you, boys, is, who ran the Sydney underworld in the 1920s?

An Australian badass, potentially. Who ran the Sydney underworld? 20s, 30s, to the 50s. I don't know anything about it I couldn't Would I have heard of this person I hadn't So it's somewhere in between

The Ned Kelly's and the chopper reeds Of the Australian underworld Yeah About halfway between them right Yeah So what was Wait when was Ned Kelly Was Ned Kelly 1719?

He was 1800s right Yeah Yeah Mid to late 1800s Anyway Is there been an underbelly Series about him Yes

Right Is it a he or she She Oh, that's cool I haven't seen Underbelly Razor would be the one That's the razor gang I've heard of that

But I never saw it It's not Squezy Taylor No, but in the same sort of world I don't talk about Squizzy at all I don't think they were linked But it's around the same time So is it to do with the Razor gang though It is to do with the Razor Gangs

Have you heard of the names Of Kate Lee and Tilly Devine Likely rings a bell No, they're just fantastic Great names Such good names right? Kate Lee and Tilly Devine.

Well, I mean, Tilly Devine's the good one. Yeah, I think Devine's doing a lot of the work there. Kate Lee's not bad. Yeah, Kate Lee's good. Tilly Devine is fucking good. Katie. Kaylee. Living in, but now you.

A Kay Lee. A Kate Lee anymore. Which, um, Ozzy rock song are you referencing this time that I don't know? Oh my God. Mariah Carey. Oh, really? What song? I don't seen the video of the guy seeing it and he's...

No, it's a woman. Sorry. I can't remember. The woman singing Ken Lee instead of Can't Live. Like on an Australian Idol kind of audition show. American Idol. And they're terrible, are they? Ken Lee.

Yeah, regularly remember the judges like crying. Why they're singing Ken Lee? Because they didn't know the words. That is hilarious. What are the real words? Can't Live? Pretty sure it was a language barrier too, to be honest. Oh, okay.

Oh, so. So you're not good people, but it was a funny video. Oh, no. Anyway, I'll just move on. you monsters. I'll tell you a little bit about the individuals firstly and then how they kind of clashed. Oh, they're not friendly. No.

Oh, very cool. Bit of rivals. So Kate Lee was born on the 10th of March 1881 in Dubbo, New South Wales. She was the eighth child of Roman Catholic parents, Timothy Bion, who was a bootmaker and his wife, Charlotte. Beian? Beian. Bean. Right.

She was the eighth child. Question. Yep. Do they know what's causing you? Just a little of something I've been cooking up over there? Oh, it's very good. Sex. How good is Dubbo as a name of a town, city town, by the way?

It is great. Dubbo. I listened to a podcast about these two. I started to listen to one. It was done by an American woman whose voice I didn't like anyway, so I didn't listen to much. But she said Dubbo is like Dubbo. And it really made me like. laugh.

Dubbo. I don't know why. I was like, I mean, I understand you'd probably read it that way, and we probably mispronounced towns all the time. Oh, yeah, I reckon we mispronounce our own town. It should be Melbourne. Should be Melbourne. But you can also just put in like any word and pronunciation into the internet and it tells you.

But a lot of the time, they are wrong. Don't tell me that, Jess. Cartilage. You're ruining a lot of what I do on the show. That's true. It's very off-distance. It takes me long enough to write the report without having to go through every third word and pronounce it correctly.

Ah, interesting. I would have said to her. To her. So, yeah, she was one of many children. She had a bit of a rough childhood. She was neglected by her parents. Spent time in a girl's home when she was 12. Who's home?

Which girl? Just a friend? Pretty nice of them to take her in. Yeah. She's, I mean, sometime. What are we talking about an afternoon? A bit of a play date. The sleepover.

Wow. She was never left. They did some sort of craft. That's cool. Very cute. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, so, yeah, apart from the neglected child, the girls, that visit to a friend's house was nice.

That's something. It's good to see here. There was a little bright moment. Good to have a highlight. Yeah. That one afternoon. Kate had a daughter named Eileen in 1900 when Kate was 19 and unmarried. 19 and unmarried.

That is, is that scandalous? That's scandalous. The unmarried part, not so much the 19 at that time. But yeah, so she had a child out of wedlock. 19. She was 19. That is scandalous. Scandalous.

Like the band, Scandalous, who won the second series of pop stars. I was thinking that too. I also was thinking about them, me myself and I. That was the one. Isn't that amazing? As you were doing that, you were rubbing your eye. I know. And I stopped rubbing it to say aye.

Yeah, it's very confusing. I was just going to say, I explained who they were, but I imagine a lot of their international listeners would have known anyway. Obviously. Oh, of course. There are many appearances on the late shows. Yeah.

The circuits. They would have done one of those circuits. They weren't platinum in there? Yeah, I reckon they would have, they would have. Yeah. Platinum in Australia, which is 40,000. Platinum in America, which is one million. Quite a little bit of a different.

We can all name every member of that band. Yeah. The twins. Greg? Geronimo. Geronimo. Gimeriqui. Jamiriqui.

And Sally. And the other Greg. Two, Greg. Two greggs. That was one spare Greg. Oh, you've got to have a spare Greg. You can't rely on your first Greg. No, no, no.

So in 1902, so two years after her daughter was born, she married James Ernest Lee, who was known as Jack. Jack Lee was born in New South Wales to a Chinese father and Australian-born mother and became an illegal bookmaker and petty criminal. They separated three years later in 1905 when Jack was imprisoned for a source. assault and robbery.

And following his trial, Kate was convicted of perjury and for being an accomplice to the assault after being accused of lying under oath to protect her husband. But she appealed the conviction and it was overturned. So early in their marriage, a bit of drama there. The marriage broke up soon after the trial, but they weren't divorced for a while until that 1921. She anglicised her, his surname. So his, because his Asian background was L-D-E, she anglicised it to L-E-I-G-H.

And she was mostly known by that name for the rest of her life, regardless of future marriages. She still kind of went by that first married name. She married for the second time in 1922 to a Western Australian-born musician, Edward Joseph Teddy Barry. Some good names in here too. Teddy Barry is pretty good. Yeah, it seems like everyone had to have an unrelated nickname. There's so many, I think every name in here was like something something, quotation marks.

Known as, yeah, but like just another name usually. That Jack guy, his name was James. James has abbreviations. Yeah. Jack's like a John, right? So why is he James and he's James something, something? Jack, yeah. I suppose this one, Edward to Teddy makes sense.

Okay. I stand corrected. Isn't his last name different or something? Barry. Teddy Barry. His first name's Edward. I thought that was also. Teddy's classic Edward.

I like Teddy Barry. Teddy Barry's cool. He was a sly grog dealer and a small-time criminal, and the marriage only lasted for a few years. A sly grog shop, this is the definition, is an Australian term for an unlicensed hotel or liquor store, often with the added suggestion of selling poor quality liquor, a place where alcoholic beverages are sold by an unlicensed vendor.

That's a suggestion. Can go to a bar that's legal and sells better liquor. Why am you going there? Because it's cheaper? It's cheap, but also, and I talk more about it later, but the laws changed that meant that, like, public bars had to close at 6pm. They couldn't serve alcohol after that. So people like Kate went into the business of sly grog.

Right. So grog means there's slang for booze here. Booze is slang for liquor. Grog is a naval term originally referring to a. rum and water mixture. In the Australian context, Grog was used to describe diluted, adulterated and substandard rum. In the early decades of the Australian colonies, Grog was often the only alcoholic beverage

available to the working classes. Eventually in Australia, the word Grog came to be used as a slang term for any alcoholic beverage. That's interesting. I had no idea where they came from. Yeah. That's great. It's funny, you said they used to close at six, was it? Yeah.

Because I've heard there was a term, and I think it must have, I'm pretty sure I've heard my old man say, but maybe he was talking about from generation before him. I think it lasts in Australia for quite a while. They call it the six o'clock swill. Correct. Where everyone would just buy multiple drinks right at closing time and then everyone gets booted out. So there's all these boozed up people early in the evening.

Yeah. Like most days. Yeah. What a weird system. That was around this time. So this is pre your dad. Right. I remember my grandma talking about how in the early days

Victorian bars pubs closed earlier than New South Wales one. So there was this one across the, she lives on the Murray, which is the border between the two states, the river. And people would go across to the Blood House, which was this sort of really seedy place. And get booze up, then have to sneak back into Victoria. That's hilarious. Yeah. And like, I suppose if you did live right on the border, may as well. Yeah, take advantage of whichever state or law. You would definitely set up a pub like next to a bridge, you know? Yeah. Just wander across

That's what this was It was next of the bridge The Murray itself is on New South Wales So you could have it in the water Is it? Yeah That don't go halvesies No that's what I thought as a kid

I'm like this is rip off What a rip off What are we get half of it? But how confusing would it be Never Well it's because Victoria broke off from New South Wales So I guess New South Wales I guess New South Wales had the

I don't know That's good tonight I didn't know that So yeah Even if you're on the bridge then maybe Yeah. Because you're just over the water. Right.

Just get shit-faced. Now shit-faced is defined as. So she and her second husband, Teddy, broke up and she had a couple of relationships after that as well, including a relationship with Wally Tomlinson. His first name was Walter. Walter Wolle Wolle-Tomlinson. They all make sense. One didn't. One didn't.

I love Wally as well. Wally's a great name. Wally had previously been employed as her bodyguard. And she also says. later had a de facto relationship for quite a while. It was about from 1932 to 1949 with her business partner, Henry Jack Baker. Okay, we're back to that weird. So she's onto like partner number two of named Jack.

Right, who's not really named Jack. He's called Henry. It's confusing. And what's with... Isn't Hank short for... Hank's are great. I like Hank as well. I would have gone with Hank.

Yeah. But hey, you don't get to decide. somebody else is Nick-Man. Oh, this is bullshit. I know. So she obviously already doing some dodgy stuff

if she's already got a bodyguard. Oh, yeah. And I'll get on to that as well. I'm just talking about her personal life for now. Her third and last marriage was in 1950 to an old friend and convicted criminal, Ernest Alexander, Shina Ryan. Oh, that's good.

Shina. Shina Ryan. Love that's good. But their marriage only lasted about six months and they were separated. So, yeah, I mentioned that's her personal life. But what did she do to earn the title, Queen of the Underworld? Wow.

Well, I assume when she was born into the right family. Of course, just. All married in. Yes, and then just replaced the previous monarch. Went through the rigorous training regime. That's right. I watched Princess Diaries two last night. It was on TV.

Is that? What's that? Anne Hathaway. Right. It was not quite late, too. It's pretty risque a movie, I imagine. I was watching something on Netflix. And then I was like, okay, I've got to go do this podcast report.

So I turned it off. Wait, when did you say this last night? Last night. No, I had to finish it. You've become the new me. No, I had to finish it. I had, I was like over halfway through. Anyway, and it was like 10, 30.

I'd been watching it for ages, at least half an hour, 45 minutes. And I was like, how much long does this movie have to go? It was 10.30 at night. And I checked, and it was good, it still had an hour to go. Wow. Why are you putting a kid's movie until 1130? No one's watching that. Well, even I had to turn.

I was like, I can't stay up that late. I've got to get some work done, get some sleep. Anyway. Was it at least the X-rated version? Oh, yeah, there was heaps of fucking. Yeah. Baps out. Julie Andrews.

With her driver. Don't they get it on? They do. Oh, yeah. You haven't seen any fucking Ryan Gosling movies. No, I've seen Princess Dario's one and two. Joe, that's the driver's name. Joe.

That is correct. That is correct. Have you seen it recently? Last night? Did you watch it last night? Yes, all right, I stayed up to 1130. Guilty. You saw the end, no spoilers.

I didn't get to see it. They all die in a horrible heart crash. I said no spoilers. I reckon she remains as the princess. I reckon that's what happens. Is there a third one? No. She says, dear Dari, still princess.

Peace out, byeie. No, because in the second one, she's got to find a husband. Of course. I mean, we've all got to find a husband. Yeah, it's pretty fucked, actually. I don't like that at all. Why does she have to find a husband? There's some sort of weird claws in the...

I came in after that. Or she'll lose her crown. Yeah, they had 30 days. 30 days, find a husband. That's good. Tell you what, I've got 27 bloody years. I've found me a husband. And I don't want one.

No, don't need them. No husband depends who I am. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. I'm a strong independent woman. Yeah. Man or no man. Mm-hmm.

Woman or no woman. I don't mind. Say it. Say it, say it sister. Preach. Anyway, sorry. for that tangent. So she's Queen of the Underworld, but why? From the years of 1919 to 1955, her main enterprise was the highly profitable Sly Grog trade, which I mentioned before.

So under the Liquor Act of 1916, public bars were forced to close at 6pm. At her peak, she ran, I've seen different reports, between 20 and 30 bootleg outlets. So, and they ranged as well for different markets. Franchises? No, kind of. So, like, there were some that were quite cheap and dingy. obviously for more working class people, but there were also some really upper class bars to cater to an upmarket clientele, like even politicians and, you know, businessmen and wealthy people, she had them covered.

The Dangerous Drugs Amendment Act of 1927 criminalised cocaine. So Kate sourced cocaine from corrupt networks of doctors, dentists, chemists and sailors and provided it to networks of criminals for distribution. So she got into the cocaine beers. She's fucking cool. I'm not saying any of this is cool, but these women are impressive. What is cool to me in my books is a drug dealer. That is so cool.

Me too. That's awesome. We never just come across that. You guys do have a lot in common. Yeah. That's kind of cool, Dave. Wow. They're so cool.

Who's your favorite drug dealer? Joe from the Princess Diaries. Me too! He was a real pusher. He's a real pusher. What? Do you guys have been big drug? drug cans. How far back does cocaine go? Where does that come from? It's the origin of cocaine.

I'll let you feel this one, Dave. I think it's from the cocawa plant? Yeah. Do you mean like as a drug? Yeah, as a drug, but like who came up with it and... It was invented by William cocaine. I reckon people have been... Willie Coke. In I think 1910 off the top of my head. He invented it. So I was relatively new at this point. I imagine that tribal people have been probably using the plant for stuff for... Centries.

Tribal people. I don't know exactly. It's origins. I'm sorry, Matthew. I didn't think to look that up. I looked up the fucking definition of sly grog. Yeah, that was good. We enjoyed that.

Okay, so yes. She's now distributing cocaine as well. She became a prominent figure in Sydney's brutal razor gang wars of the 20s and 30s. So again, with the razor gangs, there was another law that came. Lots of laws in 1927. It was a pistol licensing act And the New South Wales State Parliament imposed severe penalties

For carrying concealed firearms and handguns So Sydney ganglang figures Then chose razors as their preferred weapons Right so you could walk the streets and not be Because it would be those little Have you seen the old ones It's just like a flick Yeah flick knife

Yeah so it's kind of like that And How interesting Yeah Because they're criminals That's funny they're like Well obviously we don't want to break that law Well, it's because, and I talk about it a little bit later as well, but the laws became super strict and the police could arrest you for basically anything.

Right. So they wouldn't even risk it, but there wasn't really a problem with them having a razor. I guess it's a bit like bikeys who obviously don't, you know, want to respect the law, so to speak. But at the same time, they brought in legislation that you could get, you weren't allowed to travel with the colors on. So, you know, the outfit with your logo and stuff on it. So people stopped wearing them a bit. Do that help anything? I think it was just, well, the bikies just stopped wearing it so they wouldn't get hassled.

Yeah. So essentially they just went undercover. So I don't know if that helps. Undercover bikies. I don't know if that helps. From her house in Surrey Hills, she ran the sly grog and cocaine businesses as well as prostitution and illegal gambling. She had a gang of men that protected her and worked for her. But she was also pretty handy with a rifle and didn't shy away from a fight.

And she had a very violent feud with another terrifying one. woman, Tilly Divine. Now that's a name. It's a good name. A little bit about Tilly. So her name's Matilda. Oh, I love that. Matilda Mary Twiss.

Fucking good name. Yeah, that's a sick name. She was born in 1900 in London, so she's about 19 years younger than Kate. Is she a geyser? Yes. Okay. It's a female geyser. I'm a fucking geyser.

I don't, yeah, I don't even, what does geyser mean? I've just heard people say that before. I'm a real geyser. No idea. I should probably know before. Okay, Google, what's a geyser? How's your teeth click then? That's a geyser!

Google has not figured out this show an accent. A hot spring. Well, now we know. So, we won't see a question, Matt, yes. She was a bit of a hot spring. So Tilly, again, she also came from a pretty hard childhood. And she was working as a sex worker from a very young age. Some reports saying as young as 12.

Although, and it doesn't make it any better, but Tilly has always said that this was her choice. Like it wasn't something she was forced into. She went to work, I suppose, which is awful. Her career in prostitution began when she was a teenager and continued long after she was married. She and many English women were usually found soliciting on the wide footpaths on the strand at night. And from 1915 onwards, 15 to 1919, she spent time in court and lock up for prostitution, theft and assault.

That's the First World War years, isn't I take? Most of them, finished in 1918. At 16, she married an Australian serviceman, Jim Devine, who was born in Brunswick. Hey, that's where we are right now. It's where we are. He was born in 1892. They had a son a couple of years later. And when Jim returned to Australia, she followed him back on the brideship, Wameina.

Was it a Wemena? Anyway, arriving in Sydney in January of 1920. Her son stayed in London and was brought up by her parents. Isn't that strange? Like she followed the husband out here, but they just left the kid behind. That is strange. And I was like, okay, well, they'll go back for it. No.

That's it. Left it there to be raised by the grandparents. Sounds like, without heaps of knowledge, that that was probably best for the kid. Yeah, maybe a better life. Good call. She became infamous in Sydney, initially as a sex worker,

and then later as a brothel madam and an organized crime entrepreneur. I like that. I like, she's a crime entrepreneur. She's doing. She's like a crime like no one else. Mad dog sort of just, she sounds like a, someone you're not going to muck with. Absolutely.

Both of these women are people. So they're kind of the two, the big dogs in the town? Yeah. In the crime startup world. That's right. I mean, there's obviously. There's other gangs. We've had some angel investors and they get a couple of startups.

We're trying to just gain some capital before we go public. There's other gangs and lots of, you know, power players as there always is. But yes, these two in particular, and they had an infamous rivalry, which I'll talk about. So the New South Wales Vagrancy Act in 1905 prohibited men from running brothels. But it didn't mention anything about women. That's just such an oversight. Loophole! That is ridiculous.

You think that any law you would just write people, persons, citizens, that kind of thing. Well, obviously, a woman would never run a business. Well, that's the thing. It wouldn't even cross their mind. Like, you'd just be saying, no man. No man should do this. and that, like, they think that applies to everyone. It's amazing.

I love how funny the law is. Like, the law is a real stickler for words, and it's just a pedant, right? So you go... Well, it says here no man can write a brothel. Well, that's fine. I'm not a man. Yeah, damn it!

I know, but you know what I mean. That's, yeah. So I think that's quite funny. She was infamously wealthy, although it was all earned from crime. She earned much real estate in Sydney. She had luxury cars, gold and diamond jewelry. She traveled by ship in first class.

Like, she'd made a lot of money. But much of her wealth was also used to pay bribes to the police sector and fines for her criminal convictions that spanned 50 years. Over that time, she was convicted on 204 occasions. Whoa, that's a lot. It's a long criminal career, though. And she served many jail sentences in New South Wales jail, mainly for prostitution, violent assault,

a fray and attempted murder. What's a fray? It always feels like one of those steak knives deals that gets thrown in with other things. Isn't it assault and a fray? Yeah, is it something like, it feels like it's something like, it feels like to me like some of a brawl.

Fighting of one or more persons in a public place. Right. There you go. So yes. Afraid. So she was. So just trying to take on a lot of people at one. She was quite violent.

I feel it's amazing to me that someone can be convicted. Was it convicted, 204 times? 204 times. Because it's like, you keep seeing the same person. You're like, I'm going to have to up this. How do you get, go to jail that many times without eventually getting it more than you going, look, we can't.

This is your last chance. Next time we're going to have to make it work. But I guess there's restrictions on how long sentences can be. Yeah, and I think a few might have, well, they must have been acquittance of those. You couldn't have spent that long in jail. I don't know. I also love the, when she's in jail, she's in jail, and then she's out. She's in first class.

She's in a mansion. She's back in jail for a bit, back to the mansion. Yeah, that'd be a real, like, jarring experience. A real adjustment for that. A real adjustment. Yeah, but when you're like a hard as nails, super tough woman, she's probably like, well, I'll run jail as well. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, she probably would have too. Yeah, just gets her cells. Like, she probably runs it in there, and then all of a sudden her cell is just souped up. Certainly, it's on a first class ship. I don't know how she does it. She was known to the police and the public to be of a very violent nature, and she was known to use firearms. At one time, she apparently soaked disobedient crooked police officers in petrol and set them on fire.

Oh, fucking fuck. What? Yeah, just set them on fire. She'd set police on fire and never went to jail. For life. Yep. Because they were crooked cops. And this is your hero, Jess?

I didn't say they were my heroes. I just think, like, I think because of it. it was a long time ago. Did Jess ever say anything like they were her heroes? I think they're fucking ballsy women, but I don't think they're good people. But I think it's an funny, it's an interesting story. Anyway. No, do go on.

You're right. Thank you so much. I will. Her husband, Jim, was also notoriously violent. Although he was charged with murder on more than one occasion, he was always acquitted, successfully arguing self-defense. No, he came at me. In 1931, Jim was charged at Central Police Court

with the attempted murder of his wife after a heated argument at their home. As Tilly ran out of the house, Jim fired a number of shots at her in a similar way to the way he had murdered George Gaffney two years earlier in 1929, also out the front of Jim and Tilly's house. But I think he got away with that one as well.

But he missed this time. Well, he was arrested for the incident, but once again acquitted because Tilly refused to testify. So the neighbours called the cops, and so he was arrested, but then she wouldn't testify, so they let him off. They separated in the early 40s and were divorced by 1944. Tilly met Eric Parsons, a returned serviceman originally from Melbourne, in the infamous pub, Tradesman's Arm Hotel.

It came up in a couple of docos that I saw. It was like a pretty known, sort of dodgy area, and a lot of Tilly's brothels were in the area, so she would often be at this pub. Yeah, so she met Eric, and they began a relationship, and in 1945, Tilly shot Eric in the leg at one of her other Sydney residences in Darlinghurst. She was arrested by police and charged with the shooting, but was acquitted at trial in 1945, and Tilly and Eric married a few months later. We're happily married for 13 years right up until his death in 1958.

Which she also caused. Isn't that ridiculous? Like a couple months before they got married, she shot him in the leg. That is. Love that. Do you love it? I love it. Love is love.

You know, if we're not strong enough to get past this wounding of your leg. I said sorry. Are we strong enough to get past this? I would be like, okay, I shot you in the leg, sorry about that. Here, you can shoot me in the leg. Yes, eye for an eye leg for leg. But I would off like a BB gun. They might bruise a little bit.

Yeah. I'm not an idiot. Quite badly, potentially. if you get to right in the right spot. I bruise easy too, so. Have you thought about that, Eric? It's guaranteed to bruise. Eric, I could die from complications technically.

I could get pneumonia if I went out in the cold with this sore leg. So I'm running a risk for you, babe. Babe. Or we can just agree that we both made mistakes and put the BB gun down. Can we not agree that you deserved to be shot in the leg? Because you were being a bit of a dick that night. Eric? Eric.

Look at me, please. Eric. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. Yeah, I imagine Tilly's the type to really use their words in an argument. While I've got you, want to get married. Okay. Limp over here and we'll kiss and make up.

Get down on one knee. I know that you just got shot in the leg, but come on. I mean, it should be easier. You're basically already down on one knee. You guys are down there. I'm a traditionalist. I want romance. Thank you.

It's too much to ask Eric. God. Anyway, that's just a... Anyway, I was still waiting for Eric. What are you saying? Eric? Hey? I'm sorry, you're talking to me?

You also blew my eardrums. I can't hear anything. I can't hear a single thing. Do you want to get married? Married? Yeah. All right. Sweet, all right.

It's on. So, just to confirm, Eric, the shooting is 100% your fault and you... you don't blame me at all. Married, yes? Yes, to everything you said. Yes. Excellent.

We got him. There's two of us for something. I was going to say, who the fuck is we? Till these two personalities. All right, guys, you want to have this threesome or what? Eric, you're saucy, darn. I want to take that out of context. Yeah.

For that at the end of the episode. That's what you sound like. We are having fun in here. Okay, back to the rivalry between Kate. The rivalry. The rivalry between Kate and Tilly. So far, I think I've favoured Tilly for some reason. Interesting.

Tilly, okay. She seems like more of a badass. Correct. Correct. Correct. That's very true. All right. I'm on Kate Lee.

All right. Fine. We'll see. So no one really knows exactly what started their feud. But what we do know is that it was deeply personal, often violent and always bitter. Kate. Always sexy. Kate trashed Lily's brothels.

Tillie's brothels. Tilly smashed Kate's stores. You know, it was a two and fro. Apparently I did read one time. So there's this awesome website that I found when I was looking at these two up called Rejected Princes. And this guy who used to work on a lot of animated films animates or like puts together these stories of like badass women basically.

It's very cool. And one of the stories, on there was that a police officer on her first day, was a female police officer on her first day, was like walking down the street and she came across Tilly and Tilly starts like harassing this cop and a tram goes past. Like it's like a, not a tram because it's Sydney but like a bus thing goes past. And Kate Lee jumps off it and like king hits Tilly.

What? And then just has it like pinned down. Or why there's cops just there. The cops just there like, Okay. That's real. That sounds like an action movie. Yeah, it was really nice.

Did you serve trams, I think, in Sydney? Yeah, I think it was. I remember it being a tram, I'm pretty sure. But I could be wrong. But yes, and keep in mind as well that Kate's like nearly 20 years older than Tilly. So it's quite funny that they've got this. Go. Yeah, they've got this.

Anyway, it's very funny. So the two women, as I say, nearly 20 years apart, physically fought each other on multiple occasions. That's awesome. I was always they love when they rock up and just start trashing the other shop. Kate, Kate, stop. Stop it. Not my vase.

Fucking hell, Kate. Yeah, I think it's... She's got a vase shop as well. Obviously. Not my vase shock. Oh, Jesus. I mean, she's not all about the bad stuff. Yeah, you've got to have a front in front of you.

And she's got a business mind. You may as well use that. Yeah, imported stuff. So while Tilly's reputation was one of violence and brutality, Kate was a little more jovial. So she was still quite a dangerous and, like, violent woman. But my favourite story that I've read about Kate was that she would often just attend random court hearings

and heckle the lawyers. You shit! Even better, she would often sit in court peeling vegetables. So she's not even involved in them at all. Doesn't even know anyone there. That's real fun. She'd take her veggies in and peel them for dinner that night while she heckled the lawyers.

That's funny. That is great. The jury must have been like, oh, thank goodness. A bit of fun. Yeah, a bit of, Jesus. Lighten it up a bit. Juice. border in my court

I reckon someone would have said that Definitely with a gavel Yeah I tell you what There's nothing funny Than a well-time public heckle Like I was watching some

I wouldn't see some tennis the other night This guy It's the famously easiest crowd To make laugh The tennis crowd Going over the step Oh mate Hit it to his back end

And like any other thing It just wouldn't be funny But it was just really really Yeah it's so funny Because it's such a sterile environment That any sort of Personality all. Like tennis player will get the ball boy out.

That's the classic one. And they go, I'm struggling. Maybe you'd be better off playing. And they'd just wave them onto the court and the crowd would be just bending over laughing. Losing it up. So don't. I want to play to that crowd.

Do a type five at the Australian Open. Oh my God. You'd just, you'd be carried out like a fucking king. I've sworn too much on this episode. Calm down, Jess. And the punchline is tennis. Woo! You announce the punchline.

Here's my setup and my punchline is tennis. So by the 1930s the police were taking extreme action. New laws passed that allowed them to arrest anyone they thought had bad character. That is ridiculous. They'd arrest anyone found to be carrying a razor. And these measures actually were very effective in terms of reducing the problems they were having with gang violence. They just stood out in front of the barbershop waiting. Oh, no.

Well, that's the thing. We used to sell, like, the barbers would sell razors. That's how people got their razors often. But no, so now they didn't have to prove that you were, like, involved in illegal things. They just had to prove that you were speaking to somebody who's involved in illegal things. All right. So you could say, gay, Barry on the street, but Barry's in a gang, and now you're arrested. Sounds like a bloody nanny state.

Bad character. That sounds like, you know, communist Russia and the bad parts. Sounds like the kind of stuff that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say this. The kind of things they'd try and slowly try and do, right? They were trying to do that here. Just being out, cops trying to check any bags they wanted to.

People that people use fear to take away your liberties. So Tilly went back to England for nine months, presumably to kind of avoid the police, let things cool down a little bit. Kate was actually jailed for a year, charged with possession. Luckily, they were both quite savvy business women, and their businesses continued to run fairly smoothly

while they were away. They've had a bit of time to do their tax. Also behind bars. Yeah. Catch up on that paperwork. I find that fascinating when you hear about people still running their crime business from jail. Yeah. It's amazing.

It feels like everything should go. Like your competitors should be swooping in, but you've set up such a good system. Everything must go. Yeah. I've got weapons. Bombs. Government secrets. Drugs.

You name it. I've got it. this is Raymond Sugar Shack has taken a nasty turn Hey, Nick Muska, welcome to Roman Sugar Shack I've got all your sugar needs Casta Sugar, proud sugar. I mean, it does make sense that Raymond Sugar Shack has just been a front for a crime business.

Yeah, that makes a lot sense. No business could be that bad. So while Kate was in prison, she befriended an elderly inmate. They became quite friendly, and she had quite an easy time during her imprisonment, you know, relatively. Within a week of release, she had robbed her elderly friend and was also, she also apparently shot a guy in the crotch.

She got out and then robbed the woman. Yep. So she befriended her, got her trust, then robbed her. In prison? Well, I don't know if the elderly woman had also got out of prison or was still in prison, but Kate obviously knew, like, you know, I know where you live. No, you're pin number. Saying I know where you live and then laughing like that is...

It's real threatening. I'm going to do that next time you ask me for a lift home. Like, yeah, I know where you live. Oh, perfect then. I know where you live, mate. I've been inside those walls. No, I have, though. You've invited me in.

Yeah, you're like a vampire. I have to invite you in. Or just like a polite person. One of the kids. Yeah. Vampires have got a lot of common with polite people, don't they? I think they're just misunderstanding. Yeah.

Because of the drinking blood thing. Right. That's the only thing that sets them apart. Otherwise, they're just lovely citizens. Anyway. They never really thought about that. So, yeah, this sort of crime, so robbing a friend and shooting the guy in the crutch didn't play very well in the press. And the press had become very important at this time.

So the police were at a point where they were kind of governed by public opinion. So Kate and Tilly realized that you just need, you just had to seem like a bad person. and for the cops to be on you. So they started writing each other out to the newspapers. Ah, a bit of a tabloid war. Yeah, so they would just constantly, they'd be writing letters. They do basically what we would now call PR is they would send out press releases of good things they were doing

and they would like rat out each other and shit all over each other to the press. It's a bit of like a social media war. Kind of, yeah, pre-social media. It was just a media war, I think, is what we'd probably call it. But done socially. Yes. Just to confirm. Great.

It was apparently an ongoing few that the paper actually reported on, which had something to do with Kate lending Tilly a dog, but Tilly never giving it back. And the newspapers printed that. I let you a dog. You said you'd pay me back with two dogs by the end of the week, and you never did. So now I'm going to have to kneecap that dog and then come up to you.

When would you ever have to lend someone a dog? I know. I don't know why you'd lend someone a dog. I need to borrow a dog. Why the fuck do you need to borrow a dog? You're my enemy. Yeah, because you're the only. one with a dog.

Fine, I'll give you a dog. Just give you a dog. So strange, isn't it? So weird. But the press really ran with that one. That is low news, damn, all right. Naval transit restrictions associated with World War II led to devastating interruptions of Lee's overseas cocaine supply. And she was also charged.

So I mentioned before Tilly was convicted 204 times. Kate was charged on 107 occasions and was sent to prison 13 times. That's a lot. When appearing in court, Kate would wear diamond rings on every finger of both hands. She'd wear flamboyant and expensive clothes and her wealth was infamous. They were both like two of the most wealthy people in Sydney at the time. Did she wear the diamond rings because of that thing if the glove fits, if the glove don't fit, you must acquit and no glove would fit a hand covered in diamonds.

Yeah. Put that on. Real chunky. Sorry, I can't get this. these gloves on. I cannot get, take the rings off. No.

No, those aren't rings. They're my fingers. My fingers are diamond encrusted. I'm rich. Thank you. Both women tried to repair their public image later in life, donating to charities and doing some

philanthropic work. Again, PR. Yeah, exactly, exactly right. Kate was a little more successful in improving her image. She was more recognised for her good deeds than Tilly was. This is probably partly due to their natures

with Kate obviously being known as a bit more jovial until he was a mean, person and her reputation reflected that. Oh dear, that's the one I picked. Yeah, pretty up with my trust. They did kind of bury the hatchet, kind of. They were never friends, but they sort of, I guess, came to, I want to say respect each other, but not really, but they stopped all the violence and stuff like that.

Against each other or everyone? Each other. Okay, so they're still doing underworld stuff. Well, it starts to fall apart. So by the 50s, their gangs had fallen apart and their businesses had to, in the early 50s Tilly had bragged to the media I'm a lucky, lucky girl

I have more diamonds than the Queen of England's stowaways and better ones too but by 1955 the taxation department ordered her to pay more than 20,000 pounds in unpaid income tax and fines sending her close to bankruptcy

and Kate had the same issue so the taxation department sent her into bankruptcy in 1954 for unpaid income tax and fines dating back to 1940 It was a long time. So both of them had had so much wealth and such extravagance. And then like the tax apartment just took it all away. That's what they do, yeah.

That's what they bloody do. I'll tell you what, the bloody accountants. That's like getting into the 50s, 1950s, it's sort of like when we started, it really seemed like an old day's world to me. Yeah. In the 1950s it sort of. It's like when our parents were born. Yeah, there are people like plenty of people alive now.

who were born in the 50s. Definitely. So that's pretty wild. Yeah, it is, isn't it? Because I'm still picturing, you know, like dirty streets and horse. Horse and cars. Yeah, when we started the report, that's what was happening. Yeah, it was a big change.

Our bloody Elvis is on the television. Yeah. In another blow as well in 1955, the New South Wales government changed the law to allow legal hotels to serve alcohol until 10 p.m. an act that virtually killed off the Sydney Sligog trade and put purveyors like Lee and Kate out on the street, out of business, not necessarily out on the street,

but out of business because people didn't need to go to these places anymore because you could drink until 10. Yeah. Which is a reasonable time to stop drinking. It doesn't have to be 4 a.m. Matthew. That's all right. Just have that turn on me. You have a problem.

But Sydney went, kept going out and out and they got to like normal sort of whenever you want to, be open to if you got a license and now they've gone back to the lockout laws up there yeah which has killed off its um kings cross which basically it means you can't enter once you leave you can't go to a new venue after a certain time right it's like wild i think yeah apart from and they've the map have you seen the map where that so there's it's not all of Sydney but there's certain inner area and it goes around like this and then it sort of cuts in and just misses where the casino is yeah how convenient

It's like so blatant. And if you zoom out like the lockout laws, they've actually spelled on the map, the casino rules. Yeah. And the casino's like, oh, we had nothing to do with that. That's weird. I guess that works kind of in our favor if that's how the government wants to do it.

That's fine by us. I guess. I suppose. Guys, we have to keep serving alcohol all night to drunk people who have no concept of time because we keep it really dark in here. Okay, yeah, we're all fine with that. Thank you so much. Have a wonderful day.

Want a drink? Here's that briefcase I owed you. Don't look at it. Oh, no, I'm just inferring what they're bribing. I don't know. Who knows, anyway. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Allegedly. There we go. Saved it. Saved it. So, yeah, the tax department, bloody sucked all their fun. And both women actually lived in basically poverty for the remainder of their lives. Oh, really? Yeah.

as a real turn. How the mighty have fallen. Real turn. It's got a bummer of an ending. Well, Kate, yeah, that's probably,

I mean, they've killed people and stuff. It's funny to feel. Yeah, I've left out parts as well because there wasn't a lot of, I guess that the hard thing is, because this was quite a long time ago, obviously we have lots of information about things even older than that,

but like Kate and Tilly didn't exactly leave comprehensive journals behind. Not like the princess. Being in, being in gangs. She left two whole diaries, the princess diary. One and obviously. Princess Diaries 2, my coronation.

Is that what it's called? No. But no, but like being parts of gangs, nobody would talk. Nobody would squeal. So there's not heaps of information, but yeah, there were definitely times when like Kate murdered people. And, you know, they weren't good people. Kate lived in a small room above one of her old illegal hotels in Surrey Hills and was financially dependent on her nephew, William, who ran a mixed business in the shop downstairs.

which sounds kind of dodgy. She suffered a severe stroke in 1964 and was rushed to hospital where she died a few days later. Oh, she didn't even get to see the Saints when they're only premiership two years later. Oh, her one dream in life! Every year you've said in my head,

I've been like, oh, Fitzroy's last premiership, 44. That's interesting. 54. Oh, the Bulldogs. They were first premiership that year. Even though at least I haven't been saying about land. Thank you for not saying about loud, but why did you bring it up now?

I still don't want to know. A very good question. I was just sort of letting you into my mind a little bit there. So yeah, Kate was 83 when she passed away. So she lived quite a long time. Her funeral was held on the 7th of Feb in Surrey Hills at St Peter's Catholic Church and was attended by over 700 mourners, including Tilly Divine. Oh, that's nice.

But lots of like, even police and. Wow. You know what? That means that's really positive because that means that Tilly may get to and to see the Saints Premiership. Maybe. Kate was remembered by the press. Fingers crossed, Matt.

Kate was remembered by the press as much for her patriotism during World War II and for generous charitable acts in support of the unemployed in harsh times as she was for her criminal history. So people sort of...

She did good PR. Yeah, she did better at improving her public image and she did do some good stuff. It doesn't necessarily... I mean, it doesn't take away from the bad things you've done, but she did some good PR.

stuff. Tilly on the other hand, suffered from chronic bronchitis for about 20 years and died of cancer at age 70 in 1970. Keep in mind she was 20 years younger than that too. So she made the partnership. That's a brutal final couple of decades. I imagine having chronic bronchitis would not be good for 20 years. No, and then she had cancer that killed her. Her funeral service was poorly attended and her death went virtually unnoticed by Sydney's media and population and it was said that very few people openly mourned her death. The only public eulogy offered to Divine

was given by the then police commissioner, Norman Allen, who said she was a villain, but who am I to judge her? The police commissioner? You were exactly, only the judge would be in a better position to judge her. Yeah. And that's the whole press conference. no she sounds like he's like he's like whatever

well that's it yeah and there was a story as well that like at a pub later somebody went to sort of make a toast and nobody could really be bothered even lifting their glasses like they just didn't nobody really cared that she died it sounds like yeah from what you're saying Kate did a lot of good things and was very nice so people care

she would have been seen as a character whereas yeah I don't think she was ever seen as nice I think she was still very intimidating and powerful and violent. Yeah. But she was a bit more jovial. I think it was sort of like she's a bit of a character. She's still fucking kooky.

They both were. But I think she sort of improved her, her, what am I looking for? Reputation a bit better than Tilly did. And Tilly was, she was nasty. So I think, yeah, people were like, ding dong the witch is dead. Yeah.

Which is awful. But yeah, they didn't have, they had. But that's what, like, ding dong the witch is dead and they have a party and that sort of stuff. But this sounds like, it's like, no, whatever. Which witch? Yeah, which old witch, generally. I don't know which one. Yeah, I don't know who they do.

I don't know who they're talking about. So, yeah, so that is my report on Kate Lee and Tilly Devine. Kelly. Tilly Devine still has the best name of the two. Definitely, but do you want to change your answer from favoring Tilly or are you happy with? I'm having to back the underdog. Okay. One that everyone didn't care about at the end.

That's nice. It is a bit tragic. Yeah, it is. But also they did some horrible stuff. Oh, yeah, they did some terrible things. Like which one set people on fire? Tilly. Oh, maybe I will change my answer then.

That's what throws you over the edge. That's interesting. Not the one thing that didn't, they weren't, she wasn't remembered. Yeah. Yeah. Probably the thing that. I'm sure there's a lot more to it, but as I said, it's kind of hard to find much more information because nobody really wanted to talk. And who was this topic suggested by?

Oh yeah, thank you. It was suggested a couple of times by Josie Penning and Tessa Strickland both suggested this one. I meant to mention you guys at this top. Thanks so much for the suggestion. I thought it was really cool. Thanks so much. That's great. And I'm doing an Aussie topic.

We don't do heaps of them. And Aussie topic. And also kind of nice with a couple of like Aussie women too. Yeah. So that was cool. That's why I was really glad that they got chosen in the Patreon because I wanted to learn more about them. And you got a couple of badasses up your sleeve. you don't want to reveal who the other ones were?

No, I won't reveal because they'll come back around. Very cool. Matt and I will never know. You'll never know. Until the next time. You'll never know. Next badass. But I think...

The very different kind of bad asses. All the other bad asses we've done are World War II badasses. Well, that's it. And there was another World War II one in the mix. And I thought, and I think he was a pilot. And I was like, people are going to choose this guy. Yeah. People are definitely...

And then a couple of like, there was a bush ranger in there. And it was a bush ranger. So I was a bush ranger. So I was a bush ranger. So I was like, these two unknown women aren't going to get chosen. And then they did. That is great. You Patreon people made the right choice.

And if you want to be the people that make those choices, you can always hit up patreon.com slash do go on pod. And if you love the show, you can pledge back and keep it going, which is really, really nice. And you get to do stuff like vote for Jess's topic. You can vote for Matt's topic. You get a bonus episode once a month. And also we give shoutouts to some of you every week.

We do. We do indeed. And we'd like to. to thank some people now. What are we going to do for these people this week? Oh, well, I mean, everybody had an unrelated nickname. Okay. So should we give them unrelated nicknames to their names, Matt?

I like that. I think that's a good idea. I think that's really good. Okay. Do you want me to kick it off? Yeah, go on. All right, well, I would like to thank, if I may. Please.

From Buckeye, Arizona. Oh, yes, that's good. She's a real cool state name, I'd say. I'd love to thank Lee Wright. Lee Wright. I kind of like, just, and it is related, but maybe Bucky. Bucky's good. Lee Bucky Wright.

Yeah, from the Buckeye. But it's interesting, Buckeyes are the, that's the Ohio State University mascot, I'm pretty sure, the Ohio Buckeyes, I'm pretty sure. Lee Bucky Wright. Lee Bucky Wright, that's real nice. And I've also, I've been given a book as a present, and it's going to be. In one part of it, it's got all of the American states and what their nicknames are. And so I can tell you those as well for interest. The Grand Canyon State is Arizona.

Oh, cool. It makes sense of having the Grand Canyon. When you say nickname, do you reckon that's what would be on their number plates? Yeah, I think a lot of them is that kind of thing. Like Victoria's the Garden State or the place to be. Yeah. Yeah, we've gone through a few ordinary ones since. Do you see Queensland's the education state?

Okay, Queensland. Do they have, wow. They're all nearly always, they're like, are you? Are you? Are we the place to be? The place to be. Come on, Victoria. You're beautiful, but you got shitty weather.

And for a while it was on the move? On the move, yeah. Yeah, what did that mean? What are you talking about? Victoria, on the move. What does the garden state mean? We have lots of, do we have more parks? Melbourne, Melbourne does have a lot of gardens.

I think Melbourne. We do. But, but I mean, that's not the state. We're also the second smallest state. So like we've got less mass to cover with. But it's also, I'm pretty sure. some of those, like the Garden State is stolen from an American place, I'm pretty sure. Maybe. Oh, you're going to check now?

I can potentially quickly have a look. Yes. New Jersey is the Garden State. So like a lot of things, they've just ripped it off somewhere else. Yes. Is that set in New Jersey? Maybe it is. I haven't seen it. That would make sense. I'm saying it, yeah. I've seen it a while back. And I'd also love to thank from St. Louis in M.O. Which M.O. Let me look up what M.O. Is that Missouri? This doesn't have the fucking initials. God damn. It's Montana.

No, I think that's, we worked out that's MN. That's M.T. Ah. Which is, an MN is. It doesn't make any sense. I don't know. Okay, Google. What does M.O stand for in United States states?

I reckon I can look it up faster. I look up. It's Missouri. Missouri. I was right. Yeah, the show me state. Show me? Show me? Show me.

I don't understand. Show me state. Okay. With a hyphen. Oh, that's fun. Hmm. Okay, cool. Okay, and who are we thanking from the show?

That was my most successful, okay, Google that I've done over the last couple days by a long way. That was fun. Probably the first one that has given me the answer that I've asked for. Did you actually say the person's name? Yeah. Yeah. Who lives in the show me state? Show me the Patreon name.

So from St. Louis, Missouri, Cody Jenkins, which is a sick name. Oh, that's another good one. Lee Wright and Cody Jenkins. Thanks so much, you guys. Legend. So we got Lee Buckie Wright and Cody, what do you reckon? Show me Jenkins. Satchmo.

From a Louis. He's from St. Louis Armstrong. It's a bit of a stretch. Yeah, that's right. Cody, Satchmo, Jenkins. Horny. You know, go to trumpet, the horn. What about Cody Horn?

Hornbag Jenkins? Cody Mustache Jenkins. He lives in M.O. Mo. These are all good. Cody Sizzlack Jenkins. Cisleck, yes. Caesar.

Okay, Seaslack, Caesar, little Caesar. That's a pizza chain in America that a lot of people told us. Pizza. Yeah, let's call him. Cody Pizza Jenkins. Cody Margarita Jenkins. For pizza. That's the longest chain ever.

I love it. But it works. Try and chase it. Fall on the bag. All right. I'd like to thank a couple as well, then if I may. That would be so good. My first one is from Ireland.

My favorite place in the world. From Killarney. It's Barry Fleming. Oh, Barry Fleming. Barry Fleming's pretty good. I like that. It's a rock solid name. Bond.

Bond. Bond, yeah. Barry Bond Fleming. Oh, good one, yeah, I like it. Barry Bonds. Isn't he like a baseballer? See, the one that... I was thinking of James Bond from Ian Fleming.

Yeah, no, I got that, but then I thought on a second level there, you got Barry Bonds. Barry. What about Barry? Barry, Gary Fleming. Kalani. Where's Kalani again? Because I, my, my mom's side of the family is from, where are we from? What's it Kalani? Kalani is southwest.

South West, right. County Kerry? County Kerry, yeah. Is that ringing any bells for you? I think County Kerry is, I think that's really close to where my ancestors are from. Okay. I don't know why. You felt the need to tell us that then.

Sorry. No, I'm kidding. So we're happy with Bond. Yeah, Barry Bond Fleming. I like that, Bondy. Good one. And then I would also like to thank from Suwani in Georgia. I hope I said that right.

I'm sorry. Scott Young. Scott Young. Georgia, the Peach State. Peach. Peachy. Scott Peach Young. What about James?

James is the Giant Peach. Princess? What about, you know, Princess Peach. Fuck, I hate Princess Peach. Scott, Princess Young. What that? Peach, Toad.

Toad. Toad. They're Toad. I like Toad. Scott Toad Young. Toad is from Toad Hall in Window and Willers. Love the Toad. Love it.

Okay. Toad it is for you. Todd. Toad. Toad. Toad. Toad. From Neighbors.

If you have any idea what Neighbors is. If you not, look up, Neighbors. Toadfish. You get a great result there. All right, I would like to thank all the way from Guadalupe. In Phoenix, Arizona. Will that be Guadalupe? Because I've heard the word Guadalupe before.

Me too. I'm sure that Guadalupe, they'd probably say that in Mexico. Because there's Guadalupe in Mexico. Phoenix, Arizona. Oh, yeah, that's where I've heard it was from Dave. He's a report about Frida Carlo. Yeah. That's what I've heard.

Anyway. Sorry, Dave. The famous church in Mexico City, Guadalupe. Again, the Grand Canyon, so that's our second Arizona. And it is James Duquette. Ash. Duquette is great. James Duquette.

Ash. Phoenix rises from the ashes. Ashes, yeah. Ash is good. Ash, ketchup, Pokemon. Ketchip. Cash. Got a ketchup ball.

I mean, I don't know where at any point we said we had to make a weird fucking loop. It's fun. It is fun. James Ketchup, Duquette. Alice Cooper also, he used to do a radio show from his house in Arizona. I mean, it's like a radio show. It goes out on lawn, I think.

Alice? Classic Alice. Alice, Wonderland. Wonder. James Wonder Duket. James Wonderboy do get. Wonderboy is good. Yeah, I'm happy with Wonderboy.

That's great. Thank you, James. And also I'd like to thank from Chula Vista in California, California. The Golden State. Oh. The warrior himself, Steve Dumbled. Dumbledore.

Dumbledore. Door, doorway. Knob. Nob on a door. Nobby. Dobby. Dobby. Dobby. Dobby. Steve Dubby, Dumbold.

On your Steve. Thanks so much for supporting the show all the way in California. Chula Vista. I love that. I wonder what Chula. All right. Okay, Google. What does Chula mean?

It's not going to understand your silly accent. Okay, Google. What does Chula mean? Hot. Hot. That's great. So it's hot vista. Hot View.

Hot view. I love it. Hot view. That's a great. That's a great. Chula Vista. I just like I want to be there. Chula Vista.

Me likey. Love it. Awesome. So there. Thank you so much everybody for supporting the show. Thanks all you, legends. You're the best.

You're absolutely the best. I'm just Googling Chula. It really is hot. She was not wrong. All right, guys. If it was a man voice, he wouldn't googly it. Well, I did.

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