Two In The Think Tank - 126 - Virginia Hall: The Limping Lady

Episode Date: March 21, 2018

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnke, and I'm sitting here with Mr. Mats Shoe, and Mr. Jsp Kins. Hi Dave. Hello, Dave. Hello, Matt and I'm sitting here with Mr. Matt Stewart and Mr. Just Pookins. Hello, Dave. Hello, Matt. I'm good. Thanks, Matt. How are you?

I'm really good. Thanks. Just flew in from Brisbane this morning. Oh, and how tired are your arms? They're bloody, yeah, they're real tired. Yeah, you, so some reason you just put them above your head for the two hours. Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird thing to do.

I like, so please put your arms down. I want. I'm trying to get the pilot's attention. He's not looking at me. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question.

I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question.

I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. I mean, there was a whole bunch. Are we gonna be about a good quarter of the crowd last night where do go on listening? Or at least do go on listener related. Do you think that they were one big group or they were just having a group?

Yeah, they were one big group. That was about, I think they were a group of about eight. No. Or 10 or 12. 20? 50? 300. 300.

300 or your 1200. 300 or your past. Yeah, and there were a few different groups. One main group and they were chatted to them after we being me and them. I'm so tired, my arms and the rest of me are very tired, brains tired. So we normally start off the show, Dave and Jess, with a question to get us on topic. One of us does a report about a different topic every week. This week it's Jess's turn. Dave and I don't know what the topic is. Very excited to find out. Just going to ask

us a question. That's exactly it. Let me stop you there and just say that you said what I couldn't say so succinctly that maybe that will be your new job map to explain what this shit is. And may I just make one minor adjustment to it? You say, you know, we take turns doing the reports, two of us write questions, one of us always forgets. And this week is no exception. So I will ask you, gentlemen, who is the limping lady? Oh. Seity, the limping lady. Oh. Seedy. The limping lady.

Oh, it's early for a single. I'm gonna like it. Limping. That was John Farnham's first ever number one hit single. Seedy. How long is that like two days ago? The cloud-out lady. How about, what about,

this is not right, is it? Yeah. Okay. Was it the woman that, Tonya Harding, bashed with a limp? With a steel pipe? No. She was a limp.

She was a lady. It's a, it's a nickname, obviously. A leaning lady. Is it a leaning tariff piece? Oh, wait, what was it? Did you say a limp pink? Oh, limping. Yeah, that's why I was a limping lady.

Yeah. She got bashed in the lake. That's not who I'm talking about. It's going to be like something weird, like the statue of Liberty or something like that. Is it the statue of Liberty? No. Because if it is, that's my answer. It's gonna be like something weird, like the Statue of Liberty or something like that. Is it the Statue of Liberty? No. Because if it is, that's my answer.

It's not. So that's what I'm guessing it was like. Any further clues? Are we likely to get this or should we just wrap it up? Probably not. Probably not. It does kind of link back to a former episode that we've done. Oh, the linking lady.

But it might not. It might not be a name that rings a bell to you. Oh, the limping man. Big foot. Big foot. One foot was big. The other was regular size. Very difficult to walk.

Really tricky for balance, but he gave a red hook up. Just like the guy on the Simpsons episode in the Australian one where we gave him a little boot up the bum. He's going with a giant boot. So here. Such fun, huh? No. Get the Simpsons reference out of earliest.

Yeah, good. It's getting out. Who are we talking about, Jess? We're talking about Virginia Hall. No, never would've got that. The limping Virginia Hall. No. Did not know.

Virginia, the original state, which isn't true, I don't think, someone told me later. So this report is about a fun community hall in Virginia. Tell you about the rental cost. When the, the yeah, the sky. That's quite hard. Hi. One of the rental yield would be if you bought a building like that. What's interesting about this lady apart from obviously her, her walking troubles? Well, how about I, uh, bloody tell you? Oh, that's a great idea. Yeah. This was suggested by Rowan Clayton and Kevin Pakrad. Oh, Pakrad, Pakrad. Um, so thank you very much for your suggestion.

Did they suggest it separately? Or was that like a, they came in together? I'm pretty sure separately, but maybe they conferred before emailing or filling out the form. Um, uh, I put this, because obviously the Patreon listeners vote on my topics at the moment, and I put this one out a couple of weeks ago when International Women's Day was happening. So I put out four options of... Lamping women.

Different. Bad-ass women. And the people voted for Virginia. So I'll tell you, a little bit about her. Cool. She was born in Baltimore on the 6th of April in 1906, and her parents were Barbara, Virginia Hamill, and Edwin Lee Hall.

There isn't a lot of information about her early life. She was quite an adventurous child. She enjoyed being outdoors, hiking, hunting, horse riding. Her family were pretty well off. They were very comfortable, and their father owned a cinema in Baltimore. Is that a laugh? Isn't that not like everyone's dream?

To have a dad that owns a cinema. To have a dad. Yes, to have a dad. Full stop, stop right there. That's my dream. That's my dad. And I'm living it. Living it every day.

And I want him to own a cinema, but I mostly want it so that I get popcorn. So what do you do? I mean, you could just make that simple and just wish for a dad who has popcorn. That's popcorn. My dad doesn't have popcorn. Popcorn makes sense. You go to the cinema then. I go to the cinema with popcorn. I go to the cinema to get what my dad cannot give me, which is popcorn.

No, John. And three hours of entertainment. Blockbusters. You go to see some epic films. Yeah, they're long. That's too long for me. You don't have the attention span. I'm checking my...

I'm checking. Two hours in, I'm thinking, let's wrap this up. Alright, we get it. We get it. We get it. There's two things. There's a troll over there. We get it.

He'll have his axe, radio, whatever, Gandalf, something. Yeah. And my axe. Yes, Jess, and your axe. All of it's in there. Yeah, that's right. The film gets us so long because 90 people own separate actors and talk about it. Stop singing songs. I care about it. Goblins. Never seen a lot of the things. Just I think we might have mentioned a few different ones in the trilogy and that probably broke some people's brains. Yeah, some people are very mad at you right now. So Virginia graduated high school in 1924. Oh wow, a good year.

A good year. A lot of our classmates were looking ahead to getting married and having children, you know, it's the 20s. However, she believed that the only way for a woman to get ahead was through education. Yeah, they didn't have heads back. You fucking knew it. I fucking knew it. As soon as I said it, I was like, you know, you pieces of shit. Just give me a little low-loving fruit there. I'll fast any any fruit. I don't care if it's underground. It's been running on the ground for three months. I'll get it.

Her dream was to be a foreign services officer. She wanted to be a diplomat. Oh, and if she wanted some sort of immunity, what would that sound like? I think she would have something along the lines of diplomatic immunity. Fantastic. Also, haven't seen that film either, but I love it.

Every time. I got to buy that laugh, Matt. It was good or terrible. Oh, some mix of the two. You know what? I feel that's my comedy. It's a mix of good and terrible. No, great and terrible. That would be awful, great and terrible. Too many peaks, too many troughs.

I don't know if there's a flat line that's a little bit good. That's good. That's very terrible. Too many peaks, too many troughs. I don't know if there's a flat line that little bit. Good. That's good. That's very real up and down. But not too up, but very down. Very down.

She studied at the Roland Park Country School and thereafter attended the renowned Radcliffe College, which was an all women liberal arts college in Cambridge, Massachusetts. It was the female coordinate to the all male Harvard college. Oh. Yeah, and Radcliffe College had a really popular reputation of having a particularly intellectual literary

and independent-minded student body. So, it was a university for women, but it was probably a little bit more liberal. And then there was kind of this non-merger merger agreement with Harvard, which was signed in 1977, and the two schools were fully integrated, only in 1999, which wasn't that long ago, where Harvard and… You're right. …right? … it became one. What's it called now?

Harvard. Right. They took the, took the husband's name. Have you heard of Harvard? Elwoods goes there in legally blonde. You know what I'm saying? Who the hell is Elwoods? Which I watched recently. That's fine.

Fuck, it's good. And that is their biggest claim to fame so far. I mean, it legally blogged really, but halved on the map. Oh, amazing, before that. I was like, how are? I hate myself. She also attended the prestigious Barnard College, which is a private women's liberal arts college in New York. Barnard College. Yeah.

She studied farms, Goatley, Professor Oldman, McDonald's. With a woof woof there. No, she studied French, Italian and German. She had a real aptitude for languages and she became fluent in in those and she also understood Russian I read as well So she was really good with languages. She moved across Europe with the support of her parents and studied in Germany, Austria and France So by this time it's 1926 and to allow a young woman to travel overseas on a scorted was pretty radical and unheard of. Her parents were kind of people like, oh, do you do that?

But they were well-read and well-educated people and it just seemed like the right thing for her to do. Off she went. So she went to Paris and from there she went to Vienna and she graduated armed with, again, fluent in French and German and she earned a diploma in economics in international law. So she's pretty smart. She then came back to the US to make her first application to the Foreign Service.

First application. Her dream job. Yeah, dream job. She's come back. She's studied. She's got all the bits and bobs that they need. A brain. Yep. A student body. Student body. She's pretty much put herself a whole Frankenstein set up together. Frankenstein's monsters. University carbs. She's got it all from the barnyard. The calves are before. The...

Well then, that was in go- That's so good. But you just transformed that into... Imagine that, your lower legs are baby calves. And that good fun? That a good fun, you age. It's all a little fun when they're young, but then they grow up into big calves, and then when people adopt animals they just don't often think that. When people replace their calves with calves, they don't think about the big picture. When suddenly you've got an 800 kilo cow on each leg,

it's very difficult. It's hard to walk. It's hard. Near impossible. But not impossible. And that is how she got her limp. When you just make the cows walk for you and you just ride to them, you'd be astride to the cows. Jeez, you'd really want them to go in time with each other. Yeah, one goes one way. That's why sheep are better, because they always move together. Yeah. You want a hurting animal?

She wants even better an option. Legs. OK. Like what from what animal? Humans. Just human calves. Like rhinoceros legs? No, no, no, dear, no.

You boys, you're fucking morons. Great calves though, great. Great calves. So yeah, she wants to, she's applying for the foreign service and the exam consists of three parts. First is a written part, which tests their knowledge of world history, sociology, all things that sort of have to do with world events. Second portion tested the applicant's

knowledge of a foreign language so she decided to test in French, probably the language she felt the most comfortable with. And the third portion was far more subjective and it gave the examiner the opportunity to determine whether this individual was going to fit into the foreign service. So it's like an interview kind of stage. Swim suit competition. Swim suit competition and a talent element. She played the spoons. I was wearing a swimsuit. Look, I'm afraid you just not throwing a fairs material. Haha, just play them washboard. Haha.

No more of an nothing for content. Come back next to you. So she failed the exam miserably, except for the French portion. She did well there, but she was completely undeterred and she immediately made plans to reapply. So did you also fail the geography history part as well? I guess so, yeah. I think so. The second time, yes she must have because the second time she took the test she passed the written

portion with flying colours and obviously the language part she did very well and again, but again it was the third portion, the interview in which she was failed. This was 1930, women had only had the vote for 10 years, there were six foreign servers officers who were women at the time at a 1,500. Oh, okay, the odds are stacked against you. Yeah, so there's, you know, you, you, you, there's, I don't know if you can speculate that there's sexism at play, but there's definitely that idea of like,

well, what are you doing? So, but again, she's not deterred. She was bound and determined that this is what she was going to do. She to a friend if I can't get in through the front door and going in through the back door Well, hey, we've all there's a will there's a way we've all tried stuff That's confused we'll explain later eventually That's confused. We'll explain later. Eventually, she was able to land a job as a contiguous service clerk at the American Embassy in Warsaw in Poland in 1931, because you sort of thought, well, I'll do some other type of job and kind of like work my way in a side way, you know. And she went in the side way. Wow, she's gone from the back door

to the side door. It's the side door of the body. I'm pit. Ah, of course. I feel like an idiot. From there, she was transferred to Turkey. And again, she was ready to take the Foreign Service exam. She's like, I'm going to fucking nail it this time. However, an accident that occurred in 1933 set her back from achieving her goal. Oh, dear.

In December of 1933, she and some friends had gone snipe hunting, and while she was climbing over a fence. Okay, you have to thank you. Matt and I were both looking at what the fuck is a snipe. They're like birds that hang out in water. Oh my goodness, is that? Is that where the word words sniper comes from? Yes You don't know that well you can't prove I don't know it I'm gonna look it up. It's gonna assume it's right. I can continue. Oh, that's progress normally He would sit there and look it up wouldn't he? He would I mean we'd lose them for 10 to 15 10 to 15 and then it like

Irrelevantly later go I just wanted to say it is Where's that comes from? late ago, I just wanted to say it is where time comes from. Amazing. Anyway, so while she's climbing over a fence, her shotgun is fired and it hit her left foot and like tore it to pieces. It was not looking good. Her friends managed to get her to a local hospital in time to save her life, but gangrene had already set in her foot. Oh, really? I thought that was a slow thing. Yeah.

Like that happened on a wound. What are we talking about? Are we talking about they walk to there over like weeks and months? I don't think it took that long, but I mean, it's probably before they could just chuck her in a car or call an ambulance. Yeah, I also don't really understand grain grain at all. I don't know. I don't know. So much so that I said that. I don't get it. I don grain at all. I don't know. Grand grain. So much so that I get

a grain grain. I don't get you. I got you. Grand grain. I thought he said green green. Green green. Well, I got green green, but give me the good news. I'm just going to turn back. I remember here we met a gang grain as a kid and thinking why that sounds cool.

It's great. Green's always been my favorite color and you'd be in a gang. Oh, I want to be in the green gang. No, Maddie, it's not a green gang. Ooh, that sounds like cash, doesn't it? Yeah, the green gang. They've done some white collar crimes. Mm.

So yeah, they've got it at a hospital, and there was an American doctor there who was treating her, and he was forced to amputate her left leg below the knee. It's the 30s. Medicine's fairly basic. And after her condition stabilized, she transferred to the American Hospital in Istanbul in January of 1934, so a few weeks later. By February she was able to travel back to the US to continue treatment and she went back to her hometown of Baltimore and she was fitted with a custom prosthetic and started to learn how to walk all over again.

So she's had to basically start from there. So and back then the prosthetics would have been like made from like it was like a hollow wood and I think an aluminium foot. I think I read it way to about seven pounds. Right. Like it's fairly heavy and bulky and they don't fit perfectly so they rub and they're not very comfortable and yeah. It's fascinating right because I like at the time that would have been cutting edge and they would have seen it that way. Like I can't, can you believe this? We're replacing your leg with a false leg, right. I think they've been around prosthetics for a while, but they would have been the cutting edge, right? And we think of the stuff they do now as being amazing in prosthetics. There's a big prosthetics set up down in Ballarat near us here. I won't need to film something while you're on it. It's like,

fuck, and hell, amazing what they do. But you can only imagine, like, in 100 years, how amazing it will be. Is it going to be, you know, is it going to be Star Wars sort of robotic? amazing what they do, but you can only imagine like in 100 years. How amazing it will be. Is it gonna be, you know, is it gonna be Star Wars sort of robotic, like they're already going that way? Yeah, you're already can make a move, but yeah. Like almost that you can't even tell. That's probably where it's all moving.

Anyway, it's just fast. What if that's something feel? Yeah, it's incredible. And I mean, you know, I don't know, I can't possibly imagine what it would be like, but you'd think back then in the 30s having had an accident and losing half of your leg to be able to walk again is Incredible anyway. Yeah, you know, you'd be grateful even though it's not the most comfortable, but you don't know any different. Yeah I really think it would so depend on your personality. Yeah.

With you go, this is great. Like you go, how lucky am I to be here now where I can walk in? Or if you'd be like me and go, well the fuck did I do that for? How lucky am I? I think I'm so unlucky and just be a real sad sack. That's what I'd do. Well I know.

But yeah, love here and so is like, what I'm assuming the limping lady is she's going to go on a fucking smash it. And then I'll remember that when I have like some small... You have a cold. Yeah. Why did this happen to me? This is not on. Where is the...

Where is the bloody justice in this world? Oh, the humanity. How was it the comedy festival? Don't they know I need to talk? That is annoying. I came down with something last week, which you can probably still hear a little bit in my voice, where I couldn't, like my throat just kind of closed over. I work in a call center and on radio and on a podcast. I couldn't work that day. Yeah. Where's the justice? Where's the justice? The people need to hear this voice.

Take my leg, leave me my voice. Take it. I don't need it. Is what Jess was saying. Not me. Oh God, not me. Please don't tell my leg. Anyway, so she's re-loat how to walk and rather than just giving up or closing yourself off. Like we're saying, she once again decided

that she was going to go back to her pursuit of foreign service and she was home for about a year while she recuperated and you know got better and learnt to walk again. A letter arrived politely asking her not to apply for the foreign service again. They simply didn't have room for an amputee. As a matter of fact there was a bizarre rule that didn't allow amputees as foreign service officers. That is a bizarre rule. I had to be able bodied, which is ridiculous. It's very vague as well.

Yeah. Or it's not vague, but it's sort of vague in the reverse. So what, if you do a Vincent van Gogh and cut off your ear, can I not work there now? You probably shouldn't if you've Vincent van Gogh, to be honest, I don't know if he's up for it. Probably need to be a bit more emotionally stable. I think so. Yeah, okay. Anyway, you get my point.

You forget that he was a man. Oh, there's that. So he'd bet that would have been higher. There it is. Back then, it was seen to be you weren't able bodied unless you were a man. Mm-hmm. That would be able bodied. Where's your penis? Fortunately, he hadn't cut that off.

He wouldn't look after it. Only it's his. Whatever that makes, that doesn't mean anything, doesn't it? Cut off his dick's ears. Balls? I don't know. I don't know. You think of it so... I'm overthinking, I don't know.

If the dick and balls is the whole body, that becomes the whole body to you, the balls of the ears. And then I guess the dick is everything else. Yeah. Am I wrong? It's definitely got a little mouth. It's got a hat, potentially. Neck there, midsection,

side of bleak. Yeah. Could have really strengthened that core. I parents listen. What are that bit of? So this time Virginia's hopes were pretty thoroughly dashed. My parents listen. What have that been? So this time Virginia's hopes were pretty thoroughly dashed. She was quite upset by that. She went on to attend graduate school at American University

in Washington, D.C. And when World War II started that year, she ended up in Paris where she joined the ambulance service, driving ambulances, which apparently wasn't a problem for her despite her prosthetic leg. She could still drive normally. So she's driving ambulances around in Paris. And in May of 1940 with an ASEZ invaded France, she managed to escape to England, where she was recruited for Britain's newly formed special operation executive. Also known as the Baker Street Erregulars, Churchill

Secret Army, or the Ministry of揭ion, and they warfare. Ah! I thought the episode you were referring to earlier. When you said this is similar to that. Nah, it was the McDonald's one. Oh, Jenny, Jenny. She's not Ray Croc. Yeah, she was in the Ministry of揭ion,

and they warfare. Man, is she a World War II bad-ass? She's a World War II bad-ass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the British have been working on intelligence and they've been watching the Germans very carefully. They were well aware of a great deal of progress that Hitler was making.

And Churchill knew there was going to be something that there was going to be something special needed for this war, should a war occur. They were going to need sabotage, intelligence, surveillance. Oh, that's very exciting. Virginia fit in perfectly. She spoke fluent French and they needed people to go back to France.

So okay, we'll tick it off. She spoke French, she knows the country. America's not yet at war, so she would enter France very easily because she was a non-covers. Oh yeah, of course. I can't say that word, but she's just like, she's just an American, it's fine.

I'm just an American citizen, I just wanna hang out. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I've been with you. That's fine, we're cool. Her dad wasn't a car, used car salesman, we might have talked, we might have talked about her. Oh. One woman I think was mentioned at one point

and was going, but the only description in the reporter read was that the daughter of a car classmate. Yeah, that's right. It was like a former Olympian, a very smart scientist and a daughter of a man. I'm the daughter of a salesman, that's cool. And the daughter of a man. And the daughter of a man. Oh, I've got it all. wow. So yeah, she was gonna fit in nice. So she was trained in how to live undercover. She was training communications, how to run an agent network and surveillance. She went through every single course

with all the other men and women. She wasn't given any special dispensation because of her leg, not that she would have accepted it anyway, but she just did all the same training everybody else did. The only part she didn't have to take was parachute. And that's because she was an American, she could just wander in to France herself. She didn't have to parachute in like the others. The others had to start sneaking. She could just walk across the border and be like,

I am American, but like, come on in. Did you have to practice that? A bossy. She had to practice. Like they had like a like a ropes course and stuff and like a parachute in and then for her it was just like generally a door that she had to knock on and say hello I'm American and they just let her in. And they were like again. No, faster. I get it's raining. She's in the mud.

I get. I get. It's a training massage. She poses a reporter for the New York Post and went by the name of Mary And she was sent to Lion. Is it Lion? Lion. Lion. I think Lion. Beautiful city. She was sent to Lion. You know when you have because I went there for a week and it was just the best weather I've ever experienced basically So I just in my head it always. It's always like that.

It's the deepest blue, pure skies. I mean, that's just, that's Leon. Even at night. Deepest blue. Deep blue. See, it's funny because I went to Barcelona and got robbed and got quite, so got conjunctivitis and X-MAR. And so now I hate Barcelona.

That's a shame. One of my friends was like, I'm thinking you've got a Barcelona for my honeymoon. Any suggestions? I was like, DUDE! No! Just because I had a crap experience, but she should have a great time.

I've been there three times and I've bloody loved it. No, but did you get robbed and conjunctivitis because you went to Latumatina? No, I didn't. I was booked into Latumatina but bailed because I decided I don't want to get fucked up. It's insane. It's horrible. Yeah decided I don't want to get fucked up. It's insane.

It's not horrible. Yeah, I don't. It's not horrible. I can't understand the attraction to it really. Yeah, well I paid my $200 and just didn't get on the bus. Well, it's plugged in. That's a good way to do it. If you get to bus at 2am.

Oh yeah, it was ridiculous. I had to get it to train. And the big appeal, I went back and read it and and this is what I realized, it wasn't me. It was like 2 a.m. bus ride. We get everyone pumped up. Arrived 6 a.m. all the same grilla you can drink. I'm like, I'm not drinking in sangria at 6 a.m. This is not me. That's good. It sounds so fun. Oh, I want to go back. I just like stickiness. I'm not aware of that.

It's so sticky and it rained when I did it too. Oh God, watch your way. The stickiness. But it didn't. And rained when I did it too. Oh God watch your way the stickiness. But it did it and then they won't let you back on the train if you still tomato is so there's just like lines at showers where you try to get everything off you and you're just picking tomato off you for the rest of the week. It's disgusting. I love tomato. Oh I it put me off tomato for yeah I bet. Anyway anyway any of my favorite, probably my favorite fruit almost. Okay. Tomato. That's my favorite. Yeah, all right. If you count it, which, you know, it is technically right, but it's hard to compare that to a banana. It's like banana

as well. Mango. Is this super conversation we're having? Avocado technically. Yeah, I'll take avocado. I'll put that in the tray with tomato and banana. Thank you. Banana smoothie with avocado and tomato and toast, please. Oh my god, yes. Can you have a bit of crumbed feda on it too? Okay. Yeah, the fourth best fruit. Yeah, feda. Anyway, so yeah, she's in Leon and she she set up with a flat and through that flat pass, every British spy who arrived in France, she was kind of like their starting point.

Okay, way. They were led to, from Virginia, they were led to other agents, so handed off to radio operators, they received their equipment, counterfeit money, they were putting contact with the resistance fighters, she was kind of like a sort of organized everything. She's like an admin. That's so patronizing. I mean like she's She's organizing everything. So I can admin who could be murdered at any moment. At any moment. It's very exciting. She's under cover So yeah, her home sort of like a jumping off point, I guess and all the while she's like on a cliff or something. Yeah, it's on a cliff I was really hoping you say her house was a jumping castle no one ever suspects the jumping castle

oh man that'd be fun that's deep that's deep under cover the gym is like should we search the jumping castle sir oh no don't bother the family that didn't that didn't sound very German, Dave. Oh, yeah. We searched the jumping class all year. Much better. Thank you, yeah. I said, yeah. This is my favourite bit too. All the while, she was writing her newspaper articles to be shipped back to the United States,

which were actually being published. What? So she was actually working as a newspaper reporter? She actually gets... That's like her day job. Do they know the newspaper that she's, I don't know. Isn't that amazing?

So she's actually writing articles. She's not just pretending to be a reporter. That's really smart. That's awesome, but she's getting feedback from the editor that this like looked too long. We need you to cut that down a little bit. She's like, look, I don't have much time because I'm mainly like dealing with every agent in France.

It's ridiculous. That's great. That like now you would have to because people would be able to check if you're a journalist in a big New York paper or not by Googling you. But back then she probably could have got away with it, right? Maybe, I don't know. But it would have been worth the risk.

Yeah. Even if they just had someone back there pretending they were doing it for or something. But I like this. She's a real bloody Clark Kent top. She's cool. Be great if she wasn't a good writer though and they had to keep public here. Oh my god. That's for the national interest. Yeah that's right. The British government are like look you can't edit anything out of it. Like if he misses an apostrophe, just leave it. Just leave it. It's fine to worry about it. It's like killing the editor.

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All of a sudden, she was no longer a non-combatant. She was now a citizen of a country at war. And she had to be much more careful. Come and side with that time. A new man had arrived at the headquarters of the, just, I always say it wrong. Just stop, oh, Gestapo. Gestapo. I'll start that again.

Gestpat troids. Yes. Come and side with that time. A new man had arrived at the headquarters of the Gestapo by the name of Klaus Barbi, which are the German secret police at the time. Yes, but he was later known as the Butcher of Leon. What's his name? Klaus Barbi. Right.

We talked about the Butcher of another place in the, in the gentlemanly warfare episode. Where was either butcher of? Doesn't matter. A few butcher's in the Nazis. It's a bad time. Oh, good time for butcher's. For butcher's depending on your perspective. Yeah. Why is bad? Interesting. He'd heard a lot about espionage and intelligence that was leaking out of the city. And through his connections, they said it could be either a Canadian or a British woman. So they put up posters with her likeness.

And someone had also mentioned that she had a limp, so they began looking for the lady with a limp. Oh. Postes went up all over the city with their face on them. And she really actually looked like her. I think it was a likeness, it was pretty good. So they knew so much about her but not who she was. So how do they get such like intel when they're like a delimping lady looks exactly like this.

She's here all the time. She lives in this address. She's writing articles. But she just told me it wasn't her. Yeah. So I keep no one I can't. Can't be Mary. So she realizes it's time to go. She had to use her own escape route that she'd been sending so many men across in the winter time.

So she'd been sending men across this, it was like a 30 mile or 48 kilometer trek across the Pyrenees Mountains into Spain. Keep in mind she's hiking through snow with a wooden prosthetic leg. Oh my goodness. For 48 kilometers. She'd given her artificial foot its own nickname. Colin. Terrence.

Cuthbert. Colin wasn't bad. Were you thinking of my car? Yep. You shot a good boy, little Colin. So while on this track she was able to radio back to London to the S.O.E. and she signaled to them that she hoped Cuthbert would not give her any trouble on the way. And the S.O.E. not understanding the reference replied if Cuthbert is troublesome eliminate him. Wow.

So I wonder who they thought Cuthbert was. Yeah, like okay. Um, it's going to be a problem. I love that. Also the idea they don't know who Cuthbert is. Do they know of Cuthbert's listening? Cuthbert's in the camp though they just hear if Cuthbert's a shit dog, Kellyanne, Cuthbert's like, are they talking about me? I'm right here. What the hell? She was joking. camp though they just hear if cut puts a shit cat shit dog kill him cut was like are they talking about me? I'm right here. What the hell? She was joking. I'm not

giving her any trouble. I swear. That'll be good. That's an aluminum take off that leg and throw it away. When she arrived in Spain she was immediately imprisoned because she didn't have the appropriate entry papers and after about six weeks in prison she was finally released and made her way back to England. She was ready to go back to France and start again, but the S.O.E. executives wouldn't allow it. She was now a wanted woman, and it was too risky and dangerous to send her back.

Plus, we've got a new operative. His name is Cuthbert. He's doing many things you couldn't do. He's wily, but God is effective. They offered her a desk job, and they said that maybe in the future there might be a chance for her to do more fieldwork. It does make sense that they couldn't send her back to the place she just had to escape. That makes sense. Totally. I mean, it's got a like a wandered place with her face on. Yeah. It's pretty big, pretty big country, though, France. Maybe

she could have gone somewhere else. Yeah. pretty big country though, France. Maybe she could have gone somewhere else. Yeah. Well, she also speaks German. Maybe she could have... Go, she speaks Italian. Go there. It's beautiful. Yeah.

Anyway, during this time, the during the time that she'd been in France, the American intelligence organization had been developed called the Office of Strategic Services. It was similar to that of Britain with one exception that it was an all-American, headed by a World War I ace by the name of General William Donovan. He decided he needed people with other skills, so he began recruiting circus performers, counterfeiters and thieves.

Virginia was taken on immediately as a new recruit. Which category did she fall into? Counterfeiters was a side hobby of hers. No, I don't know, I'm curious. What category did she fall into? Counterfeiters. Was her side hobby of hers? No, I don't know. I'm joking. Oh my God. Well, this one is so amazing that that could have been a side hustle for her.

Actually, just, she's just, I mean, she's so useful because she speaks all these languages and she's so resourceful and she's already had all this amazing training. She didn't really need much more training. They didn't have to do much with her, although she did insist on being trained in radio, because she felt that it was going to be very necessary for her to do it. She knew FM was about to take off. That's where it is, baby. Breaky radio. For the big boxer. She knew it would be necessary to do her own radio transmitting. Apparently, radio transmitters

or radio operators were the ones who would be kidnapped the most often. So she thought, well, if I'm with a radio operator and they're gone, I need to be able to communicate. Right. I imagine it back then it would mean a lot more complicated than just pressing a button. Yeah. Yeah. You also have to say stuff like Roger Dodger. So if you don't know that over dover. Yeah, if you just say Roger and you don't say dodger Hmm, they won't even listen to your message. They killed that bit. Yes It's a limited complicated system. Eliminate cut bit to Roger dodger. Sorry. What am I doing to Roger? No dodger However, there was still the issue of the posters all over France with her face on them

So she needed a disguise. Fake mustache. Not far off. She dyed her brown hair gray and more old clothing. She took the cover of an elderly woman. She's in like her thirties. Right, but she's trying to look quite old. She's playing a 60 something year old.

Well done. As her cover, which kind of worked with the limp. She just kind of... That's what you could just be like, look, I've just got an old war wound from the first. Yeah, she just kind of adopted it more of like a shuffle, like an old person would do.

Like a soft shoe shuffle? Soft shoe shuffle. Is that a thing? Who's now? Why are your shoes soft? That's a weird. She and her husband, who is another agent in disguise, walked for over two and a half hours to a small village in France and they found a farmhouse.

In an exchange for rent of a cottage on the farm, Virginia was to work at the farmhouse cooking for the family, taking their cows to pasture in the morning and then retrieving the mage evening. And it was then in the evening that her real work began. So the suitcase she carried since landing in Britain contained a type of three mark to transmitter. She used the set to transmit messages to the London OSS office, giving coordinates of large fields she located during the day while she was moving the cows around to observe parachute drops for agents. Oh.

Yeah, she's pretty sneaky. One morning though, while making her way through the town, she saw a small crowd gathered and as she got closer she saw three people dead hung from the iron fences. And there were Nazi soldiers there who stood guard and held villagers at bay with rifles and said the bodies would remain as a reminder to all those who dared resist. Oh my god. So that night she sent her final message to London from the cottage. Its meaning would be understood by few and those few would be on a need to know basis and her message was the wolves are at the door.

That's a cool message overdo. Look, if the wolves give you trouble, eliminate. Like, you're not really understanding this. You keep just asking us really simple questions. Just kill Cuthbert eliminate. Aluminate the walls. Don't I mean, don't let them in. No matter how poor with that house. I know.

Lock the door. What do they brought? Castero? Doesn't matter. They're wolves. Classic wolves. They always bring in castero. They will eat you, then the castero.

It smells amazing. Does it? All right. Worth a try. Roll the door. Let him in. So she left and she was ready for an exhibition and in fact she was about to be sent back into Vienna when the wall ended for good in Europe in May of 1945. And along the way she'd met a Frenchman Paul Gaston, go loooooooow, I don't know the same last name. And they married in 1950. He was also a spy.

I was a second husband or was this the husband you were talking about before? Oh, that was probably just... It was probably just... A hidden husband. A hidden husband. And I said, another agent in disguise. Oh, when you did that thing, I thought you meant,

don't worry about anything else I ever say, but that you meant inverted commas. Yeah. When you... That gets me interested in online courses. So you can understand body language, body language more. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, President Truman in the US decided that the OSS was not necessary and he disbanded it early in 1946.

But shortly thereafter, he thought better of his decision and created another intelligence organization which ultimately became known as the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA. And as you can imagine Virginia was right front line to join and was immediately recruited. She was eager, she was very willing to be retrained. The CIA wanted fresh young agents for fieldwork. She's in her 40s by now. She was given a desk job and a lot of work sherained with the CIA wanted fresh young agents for fieldwork. She's in her 40s by now. She was given a desk job and a lot of work she did for the CIA is still classified. So we don't really know exactly what she was doing in that time. Right. But I find that kind of cool in itself.

We still don't know. So don't really know what she was up to. She accepted mandatory retirement at the age of 60 in 1966 and she and her husband Paul retired to a farm in Maryland where they raised poodles and they gardened and they did crossword puzzles. What was she really doing in the farm? Who knows? Yeah, if this is a movie she's going deeper under cover. Yeah, she's got like, it's like, you know, Mr. and Mrs. Smith where they both got guns hidden around the house Just in a lab-brook places like heres are in the kitchen and stuff. It's like that. I imagine only heres are in farm animals

See this pig It's back. I like I said she accepted mandatory retirement like accepted mandatory retirement, like, a mandatory means is an atopional. And she accepted. Thank you. You have one option, I accept. I feel like she was a type that would never have retired. You know, she'd still be going now.

However, I'd retire. I'd totally retire. Oh, you had retired now. If I had the opportunity to retire, I'm done. So yeah, oh, that's not, no, I don't get bored and I'd get sad. Um, Virginia died in 1982, at the age of 76. Um, 82.

Yeah, you just missed her. We bloody missed her, guys. She's gone. There's some weird thing I enjoy when someone who seems like is from forever ago crosses over my life a little bit. You're alive at the same time. Yeah, imagine the same planet. It's for you.

She didn't talk a lot about her life and what she'd done. She was fairly quiet. And I suppose humble about her for one of her better words. She was remembered as one saying that a lot of her friends had been killed by talking too much. So she kept a very low profile. Didn't say too much about her career. It was actually really hard to find much information about it. I had to go to so many different resources. You know how normally you can just, you find something

really good and that can sort of be the skeleton of your report and then you sort of pull other bits from it. I had to go everywhere because there's not a lot of information about it. It was really hard. Are we going to get murdered for talking about it? It's podcast classified. I don't think so. I think it's fine. I wanted to mention a couple of awards that she's been granted as well before I finish up.

Any guesses, Dave? There you go, perhaps? Farmhouse of the Year. Farmhouse of the Year. Which is, of course, a prestigious award. It's a, it's actually got a fee got it. Farmhouse of the year, the Amy Grammy Oscar Tony. Etc. For her efforts in France, General William Joseph Donovan in 1945 personally awarded her a distinguished, a distinguished service cross the only one awarded to a civilian woman

in World War II. That's pretty cool. President, only one. Only one. And President Truman wanted a public award for like a ceremony for this medal, but she objected, saying she was still operational and most anxious to get busy. She's like, I'm too busy for that. No, thank you. Anxious to get busy, aren't we all? Put that on my Twitter profile

Doing a dive laugh That's good dive. It's still good dive people at home would have thought might isn't that Dave doing a dive That's me. That's me. This is me Do you do you low-ward? Yeah? Yeah. I have a gun. You can't go out to your two D. Do your low-wired, yeah. That's the best one. Is that it? Yeah.

It can't be. The count from Sesame Street. Was. Ah, ah, ah. It's just on the tonally on the same scale. And she was also made an honorary member of the Order of the British Empire MBE so she's quite an impressive lady and that is my report on Virginia Hall the limping lady. How very cool and I will also say that possibly this could be the second year to triptage of incredible limping women starting with Frida Kahlo. Oh yeah okay we're just gonna find a third limping lady.

Yes a bit amazing love. Both Especially the people obviously got very injured, young in their lives, and just didn't let that stop them from doing whatever the hell they wanted. Yeah, I'm sure the drive is incredible. Yeah. Is there, there's no, there hasn't been a biopic, or biopic biopic? Surprisingly no, not that I could find.

I could barely even find dockos about it on YouTube and stuff to get more information. There's a couple of books written. A lot of the information I've been able to find was from a video I saw of a talk by the author of one of the books Went into a fair bit of detail, which was very convenient for me because otherwise I was she just started reading the book many Financially it's stupid decision, but I'm really good for us. Yeah. Give it up for free. So yeah it was um yeah I actually I think I did read that there would be maybe from late last year there's talks of a movie about it. Sounds like that that would be a crap blockbuster. Yeah. So

anyway yeah that's my report. So good. Thank you. Very, very good. The limp being laid. So that was James Bond theme song. I was suggested by Rowan Clayton and Kevin Packard. Thank you, Rowan. And Kevin. Thank you so much. Packard, such a sick name.

It's pretty cool, hey. I hope I'm saying it right. How can you bloody. Thank you. And of you, like Rowan and Packrad would like to suggest a topic, maybe something because I'd never heard of this lady, I've got to admit and I'm glad I have now. So often the best ones are stuff we've never heard of. So you know of a cool cracking tale, a person or an event or something, you can get in contact

or submit directly to that via the Google Doc that's linked in the description of this episode. Tell us why it's cool and we'll probably do it. I am just totally blanked on the screen. I was going to say, okay. It's real good, the right contribution. Yeah, thank you for starting that sentence. You got, I was, because I saw on this doc where I who was looking at you just wrote a part of the three and that totally I just get exploded whatever Trader thought I was on. You're on a train of thought or you're in a train. You're on a train.

Matt to bed. He's tired. I'm very tired. Let's thank. Oh, maybe this is what I was going to say on our Patreon, which I think just about to talk about. We just hit a big target. So we are now going to be doing two bonus Patreon episodes per month starting from next month, which I am pumped about. So every fortnight ish, we're a bit loose on the exact timing of those because it can depend on scheduling, but something like every fortnight ish, there'll be a new bonus episode.

So that's right. So it actually makes our Patreon, we're not upping the price or anything, it just makes it twice as worth your while to submit your sweets we cash. Yeah, so give us your money. Submit your cash. Submit it and it will be approved. We will approve that application. So to give us the cash. Two episodes if you want to support us at patreon.com slash do go on pod.

How cool? Yes. Now this week I think we should, do you know how we always give like, we give funny things to the people we thank. Is it, do you say funny funny was that any inverted commas? I don't know anymore. I think this time.

I think it should be probably. We should give them nicknames like the limping lady. Okay, great. Right, so the limping something. No, it doesn't, okay, it doesn't have to be limping. Okay, so there's something lady. There's no good. Oh dear, okay.

So something, the something something. Not oh dear, okay. So something, the something, something. Not oh dear, oh my god. So the big flipping lady. It doesn't have to be that. I'll have a guy. I'll have a guy. I'll have a guy and then you'll see. Oh, I correct.

Joe, I'll thank you, couple. Go for it. I don't know if there are a couple to be honest. I'm not gonna know each other. I'd love to thank Vakan from Ridgecrest, California. Ridgecrest, California. Ridgecrest, California. Steven, sure, Durgers, Jr. What?

Oh, I love an American Jr. Yeah. And if he has a child, it's something, something, the third. So good. I love you, man. Steven, sure, Durgers, the thirds. Oh. And they call the dad senior?

Very good. Very good. And sometimes I'll just get, you just get called junior by the family. Yeah, that's good. Which is a shame in this case, because surely you'd be like, hey, Steven, sure, durgers, junior.

Wouldn't it be a waste to just be like, hey, junior? I don't know if that was down, you say. Steven, sure. So what are we going to about? What do you think Stephen would be? Would he be A limping lady or Bale limping lady? I want to say, Stephen, sure, Durgers, junior, the lurking lad.

Oh, so it's got to be an L alliteration. Oh my God. I hate both of you. Well, you both understand what you're being smart, Alex. Stephen's loving being called the lurking lad. It's not a bad thing. Sounds a little bad lurk. Sounds creepy. Oh, my fault is it. He should stop making your entirely responsible for it. What's either of you want to have a go? The lovely lad. All right, fine, lovely lad. The larykin-listicle. Okay, don't waste them all.

We've got for my people to get through. Oh, and that's sit on that gold. Come on, come on, it's good lad. And that's the sit on the gold. Who else you got? I'd also love to thank you for the can. From the ACT, our very own capital territory, Mr. Matt Duncan.

Matt Duncan. The dirty digger. Oh, the dirty digger. Okay. I like that. It's like the warm memorial there. So, were you going for a camera? Yeah.

The dirt is like a literal dirt, because he's digging trenches. I'm at Duncan, the dirty digger. Dirty digger. He was one like just buddy, he didn't ever shout. No matter how much his buddy, Almy mates, his brutality and his brutality and his battalion demanded of him. He said, no, I'm focusing all my energy on one thing.

But he get nuts to the top of the chop. I'm going to cut you off. He was right near a pile of chops. I would also like to cut, shut the fuck up. I'd also like to think of a couple of people the fuck up. I'd also like to thank a couple of people if I may. From Dallas, Texas. Oh, I've been through your airport running at bricknick speeds because the travel agent booked the flights too close together.

All right. Yeah, blame the travel agent. Oh, I got the... Yeah, blame the travel agent. Oh, I will. You know these punches, Dan? I would like to thank Matt, Alex and the charismatic cowboy. See you again. I did enjoy. I got onto the plane and a lot of people were wearing cowboy hats.

Yes. I like from Dallas to Mexico City. That's their football team, the cowboys, and that's why they wear the hats because they're there to support their team. Right. I just thought they were rodeo men. No, no, it's merchandise. No one actually is a cowboy, they're mythical creatures. Well, I did decide that they probably just couldn't put the Cowboy hats. Obviously, you've been to Texas, you buy one of those, it's like a souvenir, but you can't put it in your suitcase. So we'll get crashed so you have to wear it on the plane. Of course. I love them hats. So thank you to Matt Alexander. I'd also like to thank from my favorite place in the suitcase, we'll get crashed so you have to run the plane. Of course. I love them hats. So thank you to Matt Alexander.

I'd also like to thank from my favorite place in the world, Ireland. From Wixford, I'd like to thank Owen Fitzpatrick. Oh, great name. Very good name. Oh. The irritable Irishman. Oh, very good.

That's right. He has a very short fuse. Yeah, but you keep tickling him And that's irritating him Thank you Owen Fitzpatrick. Owen Fitzpatrick great name. It's a great person Best person. It's weird. We're on the hottest streak of great people ever since we started writing out patron names Every single one we've read out has been a fucking legend. Yeah, a great stop. That stops now.

Oh, no. No, this next time belongs to someone who lives in Victoria. But not this Victoria, where they're British Columbia, baby. Woo! I would like to thank all the way over in Canada. Thanks for supporting the show. Darcy Williamson. Oh, Darcy's good.

Fair. Oh, okay, you both are good at me. Darcy, the dancing game. Ooh, the dancing game. Dancing game. Like that. Dane or Dame? Both. Oh, a Danish Dame.

Yeah. The dancing Danish Dame. Yeah. Dancing, delicious, dancing Dame. No, you're thinking of Danish Dame. Yeah. The Dancing Danish Dame. Yeah. My dance is delicious. Dancing delicious, dancing Dame. No, the only thinking is my Danish. Like the third. Yeah. That's what we're all talking about. Yeah, that's what we're all talking about.

Who else? And finally, I would like to thank. We're going to finish on a high note. When I thank from Oakland, CA California in the USA could we please Tipper hats to Jason Ball Jason ball Jason ball I want I want to say Bucking Broncoe That's that's that's too much of a thing already

He deserves more and this guy he's a frequent Twitter. What about um, um, Oakland, they're the Raiders. They're that's their football teams that help you. No. Because he's a bull. Yes. Michael Jordan played for the Chicago Bull. Yes. But before that, oh my God, no. He played North Carolina. That's right. How about Jason Ball, the Carolina College man?

Huh? I mean, it's a long bow. It's a long bow and I can't help but feel disappointed that the ball himself. But let's go for it. Yeah. We didn't have anything better. I mean, it could have been the California King. He's actually from California.

No, but that's not how this stuff works. That's true. It's got to get so far away from the name. You can't even remember how you got the nickname. What about the California and Clown? Because Clowns distract the bulls once they've bucked someone off. Yeah, I like that. So let's take that one step further. Well, give us options there. He can choose which one of these he leased hates. I love it. That's very generous. Yeah. Well, thank you, everyone.

It's a generous as Jason bullies up. Thank you. I'm a bloody legend, Jason. To all of you legends for supporting the show, it means a lot to us. And we love you all equally. That's right. It's a lot of love to give to spread amongst because there's so many of you now that supports with the Patreon, which warms our tiny hearts. But also not enough of you. Just saying. It's always room for more. There is room for more. We are actually funnily enough. I did have a look and we are up to now 57% of the way to our American tour goal on Patreon.

That is a specific amount. Well, we can actually come to California. Yes. I'd be the California Clowns. That's not, I really, when we put that up, I thought that was a pop dream, but it's slowly becoming a reality. It's not that far off, surely. So exciting.

And I think we're going to try and work on on because there is so little ways to go to that Try and work on another Bridging goal in between if anyone's got any ideas But we want we want put up another goal somewhere between here and there. Yes. That sounds like a good idea Yeah, great idea. So it's good to have goals on horizon. It's always good to have goals Maybe just to get a face tattoo after a little yes And then a little tattoo last summer I'm reckon it's time to step it up face I think it should go face tattoo American tour then the third goal will be removing just as face

tattoo yeah thank you yeah it'd be nice like we'll have to have like 10,000 patrons okay um so you'll you'll have that tattoo for a couple of decades I didn't I mean I didn't agree to any of that. Well, exume your body and then remove the tattoo. Just take off the skin. Yeah, anyway, now you've made me uncomfortable. Okay, well, job here is done. So thank you, everyone for listening,

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