Two In The Think Tank - 127 - Escape From Colditz Castle

Episode Date: March 28, 2018

It was supposed to be a prison for the baddest of the bad, an inescapable complex for POWS that had escaped every other jail... But the inmates didn't get the memo. Dave reports on the many escape attempts from Colditz Castle, a formidabble Second World War POW camp in Germany. Tunnels, Gliders, Disguises, False Walls, Fake Keys and more... These are some of the most daring and intriciate escapes ever attempted.Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod- Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]  REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:Great Doco from Timeline, Part One:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5HNWQWKEEghttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1556304/General-Alain-Le-Ray.htmlhttps://www.uncommon-travel-germany.com/colditz.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=uQLXSdLU5Zshttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/societybookreviews/3574423/From-Colditz-to-the-Commons.htmlhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/naziprison/cold_15.htmlhttp://www.hambo.org/hazelwood/view_man.php?id=236https://theescapeline.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/colditz-peter-allan-escape.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attempts_to_escape_Oflag_IV-C Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Oh hi, I'm Jess Perkins. You can call me Jess. Yeah, I will, Jess. I don't know how many times we've done joke like that. Never. What joke? In the world. I'm Matt.

He has no idea. I don't know. He's so fucking stupid. I wonder what he thinks the joke is. I don't know. He's so fucking stupid. Why not, he thinks the joke is... Great question, Jess. Is it because I may Jess would normally say you can call me Bob. Yes. Very good joke.

Anyway, let's get on with the show, Matt and Dave. It was close. It was real close. Well, I don't know who I am anymore, but it's great to be here with two people, two of them. I have equal respect for. Anyway, on this show, we do here, the three of us, you Dave, me, Matt, or Jess, or whatever we are now, and Jess all Matt over there. Each week we rotate between us to do a report on a topic that the other two do not know what

it is. It's been suggested by a listener or voted on by a listener. This week it's Dave's turn. He's going to tell Jess and I, he's going to school us in a topic. I'm excited. He starts it off with a question to get us on topic. Dave, please ask your question. All right. To get us on topic. Now lately I've been enjoying how we've done so many episodes

now that a lot of the topics have started crossing over or making reference to other, you're like, oh, that was during the similar time. Well, this is a direct spin off of a just report. Of a just report, the second best kind of report. Fuck you, Matt, fuck you. Is it gonna be Prince Charles? She did Queen Elizabeth's. I mean, I've done Queen Elizabeth's second. That was me. I noticed you wrote that in the Patreon.

That was me. I don't know what that means. I just remember going, I wrote, because you both loved the Queen. Oh, who doesn't? I made you guys together. Did you see that video of her recently losing her shit? Because cows are there? Yeah.

Oh, cows! So I fucking cute. Oh, haven't seen that. I'll show you later. I'm stopping the recording to find this video. And we're back. It was very funny. Okay, my question.

What's your question, Dave? I interrupted you saying my question to ask you what your question was. I'm the worst person in the world. All right. Which German POW camp was our mate Charles Oppen sent to. I do. Charles Oppen, so I just will know for sure. I do. I remember we talked I talked super briefly about it and then other people commented were like you should do a whole report on that. And now I can't remember the name at all.

At the time I said, oh, that's really interesting. I should do a report on that and we got a lot of people saying, do that report. So I mean, you're not doing it for a long time. It's a castle. Yeah. Oh, right. No, exactly, we're talking about

I can't think of the name, give me the first letter. I'm not gonna remember anyway. It also starts with C, bit of a little iteration. Charles Castle. Close enough, cold it's castle. Yeah, I got it. Woo! Perkins. That's all about the architecture this episode. Yes, and I go through every single arch way. Just the archways of Cold it's castle. A nine hour report. St strap in everyone. No, so Charles Oppen was sent to Coltitz Castle in 1944. And so at the time I said, we should do a report on that. And a few people requested it as a topic including Ryan Messer,

Maddie Ray, Jack Lassur, Victor Jimino, Curtis Benic, and Alan Theabal. So thank you for all those people. Awesome. It's quite a few. Quite a few. So apart from Charles Huffman being sent there in 1944, you know, and I'm much about the castle map. Have you heard of coldets?

I vaguely remember it from that report. Yeah, I would have, like, if I was looking at a Wikipedia article, I would have clicked on that hyperlink and read sort of the intro about it and gone, oh yeah. And then going back to what I was reading before. Is this a, would you call this a prequel or a sequel? Oh. A prequel that then runs alongside and then overtakes. Amazing.

And then actually you did finish the whole of Charzauban's life. So then it overtakes it briefly. Only at the end with a flashback. It's bloody neck and neck. Oh, wow. Credits at the start. It's complicated. I'm really excited.

Let's get crap. So cold it's castle is conveniently found in the town of cold it's, which is near Leipzig, which is Germany's 10th most popular city. That's the closest big city. Most popular. That's right, they voted by other cities. They're voted by German magazine. Oh! Wow, that's the big one.

That's the one you want. Oh yeah. I built High Up and Hill overlooking a village called its village and the river below. It's built high on a hill. With a plainly go-tired of everything. Yeah, it's been helped but think that or I can take around the world to store that? I did not know that. What's that reference? Santa music.

Another Nazi thing. Right. And unbelievably, I have never seen it. Huh. There you go. I built high on a hill overlooking a village in some sort of goat reference. A castle.

A castle or some description has been on the site for nearly 1,000 years. And since that time, it's been added to a completely rebuilt a number of times in a number of architectural styles. So there's the architecture map. It's been used for a number of uses over the thousand years, including as just a castle. Also, it was a workhouse to feed the poor, a place to look after the ill, a place where people had been arrested, were temporarily stored, a mental institution poor, a place to look after the ill, a place where people had been arrested were temporarily stored, a mental institution, and a place for people suffering from tuberculosis. What a versatile house. This had a lot of uses.

I like that the first one was as a castle. It's like it's just a house, isn't it? It's pretty unimaginative. Yeah. Why can't we use this castle for? I think we could use it for one castle. Oh, yeah. Well, add that to the suggestion list.

First, we'll look after people with tuberculosis. We might come back to castle later. Oh, yeah. When the Nazis came power during 1933, they converted the castle into a political prison for people they considered undesirable, mainly communist, homosexuals, Jews, and other marginalized groups.

There you go. Then, World War II broke out. Germany started taking many prisoners of war, some of whom tried to escape. A few of these were so good at escaping that no matter where they put them, they seemed to be able to get out. So a special high security prison was needed for these prisoners and Colditz Castle was chosen. And it was renamed off-lag4c. Jesus, such cold names.

And now Colditz Castle sounds so cool. Off-lag, off-lag4c. Yeah, when a number and a letter, that's just like, that's making it like real cold and scientific. So I know they made the name cold it's more cold. Yeah. As I said before built on a rocky outcrop. So if you look at it, it's sort of like surrounded by cliffs and you look you're like, oh, it's going to be pretty hard to get in there.

Oh, you know, like you imagine like an Edinburgh castle type thing. Yeah. Not as dramatic as that, but that kind of thing. The security was deemed to be state of the art. The prison was surrounded by barbed wire and would be completely lit up at night by search lights. Colditz has walls that are an average of six feet thick. And in some places, the walls are three meters thick. What?

That seems unnecessary. It's pretty gross. It's ridiculous. Great insulation though. You'd stay real cool in summer. Oh totally. And the recording studio, you can't hear the theme. Oh, that'd be great.

How would it be though in winter would it be cold? Yes. Hard to heat too. But it would retain the heat. So if you had a heat source inside, it would hold it in. It's broken like a true form of recognition of salesman. There was one guard for every prisoner keeping an eye on it.

Which is crazy. One for one. That does like a really dull sound like if you weren't. If you just heard you had everyone there had their own servant basically and you're saying in a car sleep, this sounds great. The ratio is less extreme when you take kindergarteners on an excursion. Oh, why less extreme? It's like one adult for five kids. That's crazy.

But then when you form a bond with them, you'd have a bit of Stockholm syndrome, I reckon? Well, in some cases, they really respected each other. Why? German and the prisoners. Cool. Our prisoners were kept in a special section of the castle and a walled 30-meter high medieval courtyard,

so 30 meters high. So, a lot of the time they felt like they were always in shadow because the walls were so high. And then in a German winter, you don't get much sun at all. And if they made it out of there There was a sheer 40 meter drop to contend with as well as a machine gun nest that could shoot them to pieces Nest of with a mama machine gun Machine gun mess What is that? A fine coat? Hello? Uh, machine gun nest?

I'm a little bit busy. Just try to feed my child. Go for machine gun. Uh-huh. Yes, I'll hold. I'll just put you through now. I don't think if I can't do it better, I'm just... That's a fine one.

Is the nest are they a little gassy? Can you do a good? A reckon one has a kid I could have done a sweet machine gun noise. That's a good one. That deserved this. Some thumbs up again. Sorry. That deserved the sound thumbs up again. So some sort of baby goat, side the nest.

It sounds like when most doing the bun yet animal noise and no one can get to what it is. A baby duck. It's right. It's about the duck. About everything, dammit. Yeah. Real good.

Yeah. So basically the odds are against you of getting out Inside the prison that were captured soldiers from England, France, Serbia, Poland, Australia, New Zealand and Belgium So you put your baddest of the bad from across Europe the best escape is in one place We can keep an eye on them right sounds like a good idea But then it's sort of backfires a bit because the problem was that when you get people that are experts at escaping and put them all in one place, you accidentally create a center of excellence. You've basically done the, yeah, the motley crew, like that movie trope. We got a safe

crack. We got an explosive expert. You just put together the oceanist. That's ocean 11. And you've just said, I bet you can't escape from this. And they're all like, well, we've got years at a time to work shit out. Let's have a go. Yeah, we can brainstorm here. In fact, a friendly rivalry developed among the different nationalities. The officers are competed for the highest number of what they called home runs or successful escapes. Basically, if you got someone from your country, they got back home or to a safe country, the prisoners of your nationality got a home run.

Oh my god, that's amazing. So it's like, now it's a game. Yeah. So it does sound like it wasn't the worst place to be. I mean, no. They've got games. You're still a prisoner. I would have thought a Nazi concentration camp.

No, so there's a big difference between a concentration camp and a prisoner of war camp. Yeah, especially this one, they seem to be treated. I'll talk about the Geneva Convention was respected in this camp. So that makes it, which is very strange when I think about it because they're executing people left, right, in the center,

are sort of in this camp anyway, maintaining respect for the prisoners. Captain Ryan Hold Eggers, who's the German security officer of the camp, he's sort of like the bad guy in this story, who's actually not that bad. He later wrote a book about his time at Colditz, and he remarked to have the castle that originally been built for people, keeping people out. He wrote, the castle was built to be impossible to get into. My job is to make it impossible to get out of. Who's the thing about a castle? Bad boys, bad boys, what you don't do.

Yeah, an explosion goes off. And he just keeps walking slowly. But he's so cool. So fucking cool. So because when you do think about a castle, it is, I'd never thought about it this way, but it is mainly to keep people out, not to keep people out. A castle, yes, a prison, no.

Yeah. So I'm going to go through some of the escape attempts from cold. It's some are very successful. Others end in tragedy. Another explosion behind me. Awesome. How about I give them chapter titles? Yes, David, yes. The key. Oh my God. Awesome. How about I give them chapter titles? Because I've done that here.

Yes, David, yes. The key. Oh my God. Chapter one. Oh my God, I'm lovin' this. Yes. At first, the different nationalities kept to themselves. And the Brits formed an escape committee.

Amazing. Which is so pretty. Especially at the 1940s. So pretty. All right, then, chapter. All right, all right. I say. Pat Reid was chosen to be the leader of the committee.

He was 31 years old, and before the war had trained as a civil engineer, and he was determined to escape. Pat was constantly on the lookout for ways to escape. And one day early on in captivity, he noticed that in the prisoner run canteen There was a cover on the floor that he speculated could lead to a shaft He was like there's a hole there. Why have they covered that up there? So one day Pat got his friends to distract one of the guards who had the key to the canteen around his

Beltloop while he quietly stole it and he pushed it into a bar of soap Very good. The outline of it and he pushed it into a bar of soap. Very good. The outline of it. Perfect outline of the key that could be copied. To make a copy of the key, the British soldiers used an iron bed leg and filed it down until it was exactly the shape of the key.

No. Which takes a fucking long time. It takes ages, but it fit the lock perfectly. I know. One night, Reed snuck out of his room and into the canteen, he was able to find that the manhole led to a sewer which went underneath the thick courtyard walls and then underneath a lawn above which is soft ground that you could dig through. The only problem

was that the lawn was patrolled by a German soldier. To get around this, they brought the soldier with 500 marks to leave his post that night. How did they have money? They got a bit of money and throughout this they're being sent packages from back home. Okay you can be sent packages. You can be sent packages and you get stuff from the red cross as well. You know what I would have expected an Nazi to do in that case was be just to take the money and kill them and not do yeah yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll take that, Brian.

Matt, hashtag Not All Nazis. Come on, Matt. They're not all Nazis. Not all Nazis are Nazis. Is that true? Factually no. Reed selected 12 officers to go with him, and they snuck into the canteen one night,

and all crawled through the sewer. They got underneath the lawn, and as Reed dug a hole and proked his head through the grass, he looked up only to find a bunch of German soldiers looking down at him. As Matt speculated, the soldier that they tried to bribe had double crossed them. You can't trust an Nazi. Your gut instinct is absolutely right. Good for you, Matt.

Good for you, Matt's gut. Yes. Ray Dielti's comrades who were still in the sewer to run back, but once they got out the other side, they found other soldiers waiting for them at the entrance. The Englishmen didn't know what to do, so they just started laughing in the Germans' faces. The German soldiers were very confused about this. The guard, they tried to bribe Keptie's five-hundred marks. He got extra paid leave, a promotion, and the war service crossed.

So it worked out really good. It worked real good. Holy shit. The Geneva Convention sent POWs that tried to escape shouldn't be shot. And egg is and the Germans abided by this rules. And none of the soldiers were shot. But the usual punishment for a temperature escape was three weeks in solitary confinement. For all of them. Yeah. Shit. That's he all of them. Yeah.

Shit. That's heaps of weeks, eh? Oh, so many weeks, eh? But do they have enough solitary confinement? Yeah. You have to go to the solitary confinement room. But don't look at each other. Well, that's it.

Yeah. Like, do they have enough space to keep them separated? And if they don't, they just make someone stand in the corner and look at the wall. Or you just saw them roster, like, okay, your punishment will be in six weeks time because I've got two other people in that room before you. You're awaiting this. The punishment will be in 36 weeks time.

Yeah. Until then, think about what you've done. Until then, business is usual, but for you're gonna get in trouble later. Chapter two. The first taste of freedom. Oh, I love it. Well, this sounds positive.

I should... No, see, last time I forgot to get a clue from the chapter title, which was the key, which makes sense. Now, Matt, what can we read out of the first taste of freedom? Are we gonna get... A French fries. Yeah.

A French fries. Are we gonna... Are going to use a key in this one. And you know, much to the Brits annoyance, the first home run didn't go to them. In fact, the first prisoner to successfully escape called it was French soldier Elaine LaRue. French fries. You're right. God, your gut is on fire today. He's burning. He's burning up. His escape wasn't as well thought out and planned and more spur of the moment. Another part of the Geneva Convention was that the soldiers needed fresh air and exercise. That's fair. They had had a courtyard, but there's so many of them, they're not really getting much exercise. So every 10 days, they were marched out of the castle at gunpoint and down to a local park to play football. What? The park

was surrounded by barbed wire. So the best place to attempt an escape was during the walk to or from the football field. Elaine, the Frenchman, had already escaped from a previous POW camp and it was always on the lookout for a quick getaway. Before the game, LaRée was able to find some civilian clothing and he put this on underneath his uniform. Although there was a guard only 10 meters behind him. On the walk back up the hill, they passed a sharp bend where he was momentarily out of sight. And there was an abandoned building that they walk past every day, every time they go to this. And fortunately, he tried the door and it was unlocked. So he dashed around

the corner and hid inside the building. The Germans at the guard house of Colditz failed to notice that a man had gone missing. And after more than an hour, Loré, now wearing civilian clothes, was able to emerge from his hiding place. What? All he had to do was to scale a small wall, and then he'd be free.

The simplicity of his escape was astonishing, and subsequently, a number of POWs tried to emulate it, but without success. How did they figure it out? Well, they didn't, because the Germans who discovered the race absence only later that evening when they did a roll call never worked out how we'd done it, concluding amongst themselves that he must've escaped by going over the roof of the courtyard and climbing down a lightning conductor.

Yeah, the Schumer would have been a somewhere else by himself. Yeah. But it's interesting that no one noticed he was missing till later when they're one on one with the guards. So there's some guard who's gone. Yeah, I thought my person normally was like, you know, it was physically manifested in a human form. Yeah, but now maybe it was just always see through. People like, where's your guy? Oh, I assume he's in the can.

It's kind of like whenever we, because when I was playing basketball as a kid, People are like, where's your guy? Oh, I assume he's in the can. It's kind of like whenever we, because when I was playing basketball as a kid, anytime you did like man on man defense, if you're person, you were supposed to be defending like got a goal or something, you'd be like, fuck, because that was literally your only job.

Imagine being that guard, you'd be like, oh fuck, fuck, my guy's gone. Are they constantly yelling man up, man up. Yeah. Keep on the man, keep on the man. How were playing a zone D at the time? Yeah. We weren't playing that with the game was wrong.

No. Fuck. So Lorraine was able to sneak onto a train, and he hid in the guards for. Lorraine on the train falls mainly on the plane of a horse. His patient started to wane and he went insane. When he got to Neweramburg, he mugged a man in the street stealing his wallet and overcoat. So you got to play a little dirty. He was so close to freedom and decided to walk the last few miles to the front here. But in a forest, he encountered a border patrol, alluding it only when he climbed a tree.

So then he got on another train and not wanting to give himself away by buying a ticket. He climbed onto the front of the train and just lay down across the front of the train. It was night time and he calculated that the glare of the train's headlights would ensure that no one could see him. He crossed into neutral Switzerland and he achieved the first home run. Oh wow. Well done. That's awesome. We're going. Yeah, so he had the money for a ticket just in water. Oh, yeah, because he stole the wallet, but they'd probably ask for identification. Right.

And I don't think some of these people have escaped. It's very handy if you speak German, but not everyone does. Yeah. Man, it's a lot of those moments in the greatest scope where the escape is, they're chatting to, like, they're having their passes checked or whatever. And you just have to keep your mouth shut. And they're talking in German or whatever and just watching it, I'm sweating bullets. Come on, holy shit.

These Nazis are on to one way, my swear to God. And then they just stamp Pomp on. Yeah. Chapter three. Oh, the mattress. Oh, there's going to be some boning. Yeah, squeaky mattress. We can be.

We can be. There's only one way out of this place, boning my way out. Boning yeah squeaky mattress There's only one way out of this place Boning my way yeah Quick everyone fuck your guard Distract them with sex So the Germans want And when they fall asleep after that cigarette, you just make a run for it. So the Brits were happy that anyone got a home run.

So it's a victory for everyone, but they wanted one of their own. Bit of morale amongst the Chaps. They chose Peter Allen, a small Scottish man who spoke German to attempt the next escape. Imagine German and a Scottish accent. You'd have to do pretty well, wouldn't you? One problem was, so when you're a captured, you don't put a Scottish accent. You'd have to do pretty well wouldn't you? One problem was, so when you're a caption, you don't put a uniform on, you just continue wearing your military uniform that you were captioning. Oh.

That's the sort of thing. Like when you watch Hogan's Heroes and they're wearing, you know, the US uniform. But Peter Allen, the Scottish man, when he was captured, he was wearing a guilt, something that wouldn't make you stand out really bad in Germany. So if you get, even if you got out, people would be like, why are you wearing a guilt? Yeah. Your German would have to be pretty good together. So they rummaged around and got him some clothes. They did a lot of their own sort of hand sewing, that, that amazing. Yeah, all these stories like blow me away making your own key. What's the rock, what's the Ongam Samfran place called?

All those things that it is. Oh yeah totally. So together I bought with raincoats and those paper mache heads. Yeah. All those things blow my mind. How many skills do I have? Blown in your mind. Blown in my mind.

How people have skills and things? I'm like, I'd? Blue in your mind? Blue in my mind. How people have like skills and things? It's like, ugh. I'd be useless in these escapes. You're useless, I'd be like, you'd be useless. I am, I'm ready useless, I'll tell you. They would not have sent you to the castle, I don't think. No. I think he'll be, yeah, they've just put you

in someone's backyard. Would I go a lot wish, Gabe? Ah, and then you just stay there. Do you promise not to leave? Yes, sir. Good boy. Like, roughly a year. He's a biscuit.

Yeah, after they go. He's a biscuit. 20 years later, he's still there. He's a biscuit. It's a dog biscuit. I'll eat it anyway. You live your life as a dog from now. I'm gonna say that happening to you anymore.

I'm a good boy. I'm a good boy I can say that happening to you in a war. Good boy. Oh, good boy. That dog's lived to be 60 years old. He stands on his hide legs. Okay, the mattress, sorry. I said, Romm is around, got him some clothes that wasn't a kill. They got him a jacket and they put it on this short baby face man and tried to make him look like a member of the Hitler youth.

That's how young he lived. The men used some straw mattresses that they'd made. They often did sort of tasks like that. We're going to be delivered some way out of the castle. So they hid Peter Allen inside one of the mattresses, which essentially were like sacks filled with hay. So they sewed him inside. They put like a bunch in a pile, then him in the middle, then a bunch more over the top of him. This sounds like a guy who's about to die. Yeah, that's because how does he breathe? Well, his biggest problem was trying not to sneeze. Yeah.

So, with all that, he was in there for hours. Also his other problem was that guards often use bayonets to prod cargo to check for people trying to run away. Makes sense. But Alan was lucky and he wasn't stamped this time. The mattresses were carried out of the castle, were dumped in a local barn, and after lying still for a few hours, then it was quiet, he simply got out,

dusted himself off and walked to the train station. Hahaha. Coldest, uh, Clutches, the idea that someone is gone, bag a hay into the barn, bag a hay into the, oh, this is a heavy bag a hay. Yes. Into the barn. into the barns. Bag of hay into the... Oh, this is a heavy bag of hay. Into the barn.

Into the barn. Well, someone's getting... Someone's getting a double plush bed. Ooh. The mattress. Must be some goose feathers in here. Yeah, they're heavy. Well, there's like a whole man's worth of goose feathers in here.

Oh, well, into the park. Coldest closest neutral country, well, into the pub. Colt, it's closest neutral country, Switzerland was 300 miles away. So once you were out of the castle, the journey really was only just beginning. Alan didn't want to go to Switzerland. He wanted to go to Vienna in Austria. The resistance had been able to get him a little bit of German currency and he took a train as far as his money were taking. But when he got off, he estimated he was still seven full days of walking to his destination. He's really been around Peter Arz and he's been to cities that never closed down from New York

to Rio and Old London town but no matter how far or how wide he's roamed, you know he's on his way to the country. The guy's saying that song is absolutely around. to the Australia. The guy saying that song is actually going around. Good stuff all. I've been to CDs and they're wonderful. It's a quanta sad. Anyway. I hope you enjoy that in America. Yeah, enjoy. Google it. So he's seven days walk away. He's got very little supplies, just a couple of pieces of chocolate to keep him going. He's fine. So he decided to take a risk. You flag down a car to hitchhike. It turned out to be a considerable risk because the car he flagged down was an SS vehicle. The German secret police.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Lucky his German was fantastic and he was able to say he was an engineering student. Alan recalled that the ride was the scariest moment of his life. Quart to be vulgar, I nearly needed a new pair of trousers. That is a vulgar. He nearly shat himself. But I'm not in a, I'm not in a Scottish accent. I need a new truces. It makes it way funnier. Does it? Say Yeah, say the whole thing again? No, I'll just say that one. The car took him 50 miles and when he got out, he said he gave the most impressive hitless salute you've ever seen. To try and be like, oh, yeah, I'm a Nazi.

Wow. Try and win him over. He finally made it to Vienna after six days of constant travel and not having eaten. It was exhausted and even though he made it to Austria, he wasn't safe yet because at that time Vienna was under Nazi occupation. They did however have a US embassy and because the USA was neutral and hadn't entered the war at that point, he hoped they would offer him a sanctuary. They rejected him and refused his help despite the fact that his stepmother, Lois Allen, who for our

UK listeners, I read as the founder of Fuzzy Felt Toys, she was a US citizen and he felt that they would provide him a safe place because of this, but he was wrong and super pissed off, so they just rejected him. Oh, that's brutal. So he went back out into Vienna, he was starting to faint from fatigue because he hadn't eaten in so long, and he asked a stranger if there was a red cross nearby where he could get something to eat. The stranger he had a need and so long, and he asked a stranger if there was a red cross nearby where he'd get something to eat. The stranger said, oh, you can find some help in here. And when Alan entered the building,

he'd realized that he'd accidentally walked into a police station. He had no papers to back up. He's engineering student story. And now exhausted and starving, he had no choice but to come clean and tell them he was an escaped prisoner. He was arrested and taken all the way back to cold it's locked up in solitary confinement. No! So he didn't get a home run.

Don't get an Austria, just go to Switzerland. No, he was certain they'd offer him sanctuary. Well, what? No. Is that, does that make sense? I don't know if it, like, is there, though, a neutral of that time? Was that okay for them to basically make a guy go back to Nazi prison? I know but I think that also, that probably also create diplomatic tension if they're like, oh it's not our war and we, yeah. We, you know, gave him somewhere, I don't know. God, that sucks. This episode is brought to you by Progressive. Most of you aren't just listening right now.

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That sounds like a six move. All right, grab your guard and give him the French tunnel. Then when he's asleep, we'll all get the front gate. I know you saved that friend of his, but it's time for a French tunnel. Oh, yeah. Oh. Sorry, sorry that I did that to us. Sorry.

Matt, I'm sorry. It's apology except. You won't look at me. It's because I've never even, never even heard of a French tunnel. He's looking at me again. You can continue. In the early 1940s, nine French officers organized a long-term tunnel-deaking project, the longest ever attempted out of cul-deuts.

Lieutenant Bernard Kazemayou, gained access to the castle's abandoned and sealed-up clock tower, and recognized that a way out of the prison was to access to the castle's abandoned and sealed up clock tower. I recognized that away out of the prison was to tunnel underneath the castle's chapel and into the crypt. So the Gain access at the top of the clock tower from the attic and wanted to dig a tunnel from the base, which was 35 meters below. To help get to the bottom, they started digging through each floor of the clock tower, tunneling a small hole through each level until they got to the ground below. So basically, there's cut a hole in the floor, cut a hole in the floor until they got to the bottom. After the previous escape detains by Kazumaio, the doors, one on each floor, which had provided access to the tower, had been bricked up in order to prevent further escape attempts.

However, by sealing up the clock tower, the Germans had in essence provided a secure location where escape tunnel work could be done without notice So basically they'd break it up and they thought well not even going to look in there because now we can get in there But they got it way up high so they Tunneled down all the way to the reach floor to the bottom of the clock tower and they started to dig they got five minutes below the tower And found themselves in an old wine cellar They needed a place to deposit the earth they were digging up. So every night, 10 bags of 20 kilos of debris were dragged up by ropes made of bed sheets all the way from the hole at the bottom to the top of the

clock tower. So they had to basically lever and pull them up with bed sheets 35 meters, 20 kilos, which would have been... Barfas, wouldn't it? Crazy. It's so cool. It was more than five kilos. Oh, for sure. The men then started digging under the chapel, hoping to get into the crypt, but they ran into a solid wall of rock. So, dear with this, they got steel poles out at the clock at the top of the tower

and used them as battering rams just to smash the shit out of the rock. This worked a treat. The tunnel itself was extremely sophisticated and even had lights that the man had made out of old food cans. So they're extremely resourceful. These people, it's amazing. They got through the rock and tunneled 13.5 meters under the chapel, only to find that there was no crypt there. All they did find was a solid wooden beam of heavy oak timber blocking their path. It was decided that they would saw through this beam using a knife that was stolen from the Germans cutlery and then had a saw teeth cut into it using a rock.

Wow. So they're making their own saws. Well, all this action going on below the chapel, the men of the tunnel were worried that they would be overheard by the guards inside. So they developed an alarm system. One of the prisoners was sitting the chapel, usually one of the French soldiers who back home had been in priests, so it wouldn't be weird that he was hanging out in the chapel all day. He would be holding a switch to the light in the tunnel and if the guard came, they would switch the light off. So the men's soaring below through this wooden oak, if the light went out, they'd stop soaring instantly. And the swaded to the light went back on. Wow. Sometimes was a long time.

Kazumei was soared through the wood and oak beam every day for a week before I got through it. Could you just do a little bit, a little bit? It can't be too loud. Only to find that behind it was six more identical wooden beams. So we just kept soaring. It took weeks. You got through them, but you found that there was no crypt and more importantly, no way of getting out to escape. So it was like, well, we've been digging this way. How about we turn the tunnel this other way and we'll keep going into

we find a way out. So there's digging, sort of digging aimlessly, hoping to get out. You swung the tunnel around, hoping to find a way out through a different direction. Only did you be facing a three meter thick rock wall that he had no hope of cutting through or knocking over. So if you can't go over it, you can't go through it. You go under it. They're tunneled straight down for five meters, which getting in. So to get in, you have to go into the attic at the clock tower, go to the bottom there, go, you know, which is another five meters down, then you go through a 15-minute long, which then turns, and now they've dug five meters below. So it would take like an hour just to get there. Oh, the kept digging holes, until he once again,

once they dug underneath this rock bit, to this point, they'd been plotting and digging and soaring for eight months. They were hellbent. Hellbent on getting there for amazing that now they've been able to keep it all under wraps. Isn't that crazy? Great effort. How do you how do you get away from your guard? Well, it's not like they stay on you at all times. Well, that's part of their fucking problem, isn't it? So at times there's like three on one triple taming. Yeah. Three on one French tunnel. That's the French tunnel. That's the French tunnel. Throw it in one. Oh, I see.

No, a lot of them are like in guard towers and stuff like that. They're not like, they're not like handcuffs in the tunnel. They should definitely go man on man. They should definitely go man on man. You wouldn't have like, how could you escape? How could you escape? How? You couldn't escape.

You couldn't escape. Idiots. Yes, but I'm not. What are the people in there? Yeah, the... They're doing in the towers. What the fuck it. Not seats. One of the people in the, yeah, the... They're doing in the towers. What the fuck are they doing in the towers?

Well, these people are digging... They should all handcuff themselves to the, to eat what their own prisoner. Yeah. And they're like, this movie wouldn't be an escape. Why don't you, where would be like some sort of a, like a comedy, maybe a romance, to become a buddy cop.

But it'd be a buddy cop thing. They They'd be they'd first they'd party hate it and then they come to Appreciate one another and then they wouldn't be able to live with that one Yeah, and then the German would help It's a escape because they would have heard them talking about their sick wife or something Yeah, I'm gonna get you back home buddy. Yeah, but in German. Yeah, I'm gonna get you back home, buddy. But in German. Yeah. I'm gonna get you back home, aren't I? I love your friends. I have wide a eyes on German. I love you, Edgar.

They swap voices for some reason. Ah, man. That's what friends do. Yeah, pushes the boundaries this way. Friends always swap voices. Don't they, Jess? Yes. Very good.

Yeah. Oh, God. So I've been going for eight months. Tunneling continued well into 1942. Yes, very good So I mean over eight months tunneling continued well into 1942 by then Germans are the Germans knew that the French were digging somewhere Based on the noise of tunneling reverberating to the castle at night I was reverberating through the castle. Yeah, see here a bit of noise You're like what the fuck is that but they just couldn't find where they were doing it and the Germans could neither The Nazis the Nazis. Yeah, so they would hear the sounds at night. A little bit of, and be like, what the fuck is that? Sticky man. No. The French were not concerned because they thought that the tunnel's entrance was undetectable. But disaster struck one day when one of the German guards discovered the dirt they'd

been hiding under the eaves and the attic. So they'd been digging this dirt out and putting it at the top of the clock tower, just stashing it. He reported it to Captain Edgis, the man in charge of security. He instantly knew that it was evidence of a tunnel, but even after searching the castle from top to toe, we couldn't find evidence of the entrance to this tunnel. He didn't think to look into the clock tower. I guess he thought if you were going down, well, would you start at the highest point in the whole castle?

Which is kind of genius, isn't it, won't you? Yeah. Edges kept finding more and more rock and earth around different parts of the camp. And from the different types of soil, he could tell how close they were to escape. Wow. He knew that the tunnel was now outside the castle's walls

because the dirt had just dig up. Yeah, yeah. So he had a dig up. It's gone from rock to actual, you know, to soil. He thought that there were only days away from freedom. The French tunnelers continue their digging, but Edgis and his men were now in the lookout and formed a search committee. There's many committees inside here. That the mate every Tuesday.

Trevor takes the minutes. Trevor, can you read out the minutes from last last time? Oh, with pleasure sir. That says here where the fuck are they? We need to find them. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck prisons were just two meters of soil away from breaking out completely. They'd been digging now for nine months, but then Edgis found the tunnel entrance. The German soldiers very bravely lowered a small boy down. God, you're lucky you were to ride back there. You'd be the first one in the time. You're on the young Dave. Oh no!

Apparently what the kid yelled was, prisoners! You'd be like, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up! No, nothing down here! Nothing to report! Shut up, shut your fucking man! I'll take you with me.

The jig was up. No! Brr. The jig was up. No. Bridal. The first committee that found the entrance to the tunnel was rewarded with extra leave. Edgard himself was so impressed with the work that had gone into it that he commissioned a survey of the tunnel. And we think that Germans did was, whenever they foiled on these escapes, they got the prisoners to reenact their escape attempts, so they could take photos of them.

So there's all these photos of, like, sad looking English and Frenchmen sort of like poking their head out of like a toilet or something. Because they were trying to escape through it. All right, do you like how the Nazis, whenever someone busts something, they give those people who were smart enough to figure it out leave? So eventually all their best guards are going to be on leave. And they just left the night shift. Oh man. This is fun.

See French tunneling is always a disappointing experience. Well, not for everyone. Is that well, doesn't it normally end with a boy being... Lower down. Lower down and yelling at prisoners. And men yelling, you shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. It's a wild thing. It's exciting.

It's a wild manoeuvre. Chapter 6, teaming up with the Dutchman. Oh, this is another sex move. It does sound like it. Yeah, this is... I hadn't planned on these. The reason is what you're describing there. Some of them are less intriguing and... It's an orgy.

Teaming up with a Dutchman makes a threesome to you. I guess your picture is pre-coupled. Then you bring in the Dutchman. Is that what you're thinking? Yeah. That makes sense to me. The Brits were still yet to get a home run. So they decided to team up with the Dutch.

Englishman Erie Neve teamed up with Dutchman Tony Luton. Neve had noticed from his window on solitary confinement that there may be a path underneath the stage of the castle theater. So just as I know, the prisoners were allowed to put on shows for each other in the hope that it would distract them from escaping. Sure. Yeah. And some of them would...

I think ball change. A some of them would dress like... Bull change. A tooth, a tooth, a tooth. Well, they'd have to play the male and female parts, and I've seen photos of them, some of them. We're very convincing women. Well, there's pictures of my dad in the 70s at a Royal Boy School dressed up as a woman,

and he was a very pretty girl. It's very good. He's gorgeous. So who's this babe? That's your father? Oh, okay. Oh, okay. I'm confused. So am I?

I went, I went to a boy's house. I went, I'm sure I played a woman. I always played men. I'd long hair back then. So I think I was the obvious choice. And obviously very beautiful. Of course, as a women. And a very good actor. Yep. Yep. Amazing. I say. I mean, I say. Neve was right about the tunnel under the stage, but the problem was that whilst the path

got them out of their prison's courtyard, it led to another walled courtyard occupied by soldiers. To get them through this, the men decided to dress as German soldiers. The Dutch had coats that looked a bit like the German coats, except the collar on the German coat was green. So they added this on with paint from the theater. We used to build the set. They also had to make fake German officer hats, including the prominent Nazi eagle, which

they decided to make out of linoleum and so on. Hat, like to make them believable would just be so much work. It's crazy. Luton was dressed as a captain and the Englishman Erie Neve was made out to look like a first lieutenant. The disguises were considered good enough to pass on a dark night. That's all you need, most nights are pretty dark.

Yeah. They were a bit worried about the plan. They didn't know what their fate would be if they were caught in a German uniform I thought that perhaps that would be a crime that they would punish with death But they went through with anyway very bravely. They went underneath the stage and into the soldiers garrison Erie and Eve and his companion who were dressed as high-ranking officers were told by the first century that there was quote nothing to report sir Good nothing to report, sir. Hmm. I can say. They asked the second German soldier

who was about to challenge them why he was not saluting them. So they sort of distracted him. And he was about to be like, show me your paperwork and they were like, where's the salute boy? And they sort of, he was, sorry sir, sorry.

He promptly saluted and they just walked on. Minutes later, they were throwing their German uniforms into the river and starting the journey to Switzerland. They did make it all the way and it was the first home run for the British. The Brits were rejuvenated by the success and it spurred on men to attempt more escapes. Group started acting more together with other nationalities after the success and from 1942 on the British escapologists were able to rely on the collective ingenuity of the camp. So everyone's like, that makes sense to me. Totally. I mean, we're all fighting a war together. Yeah, sure. You're all in the same team. So, um, so what do we got?

That's three, three countries with a run now. Yes. We got the Dutch, the English and the French or have a home run and in 1942 there was where the Aussies, hey, there's there's very few Australians. It's interesting. We're called on home run, seeing as none of them are like classic baseball playing countries. Yeah, you could have gone on a goal or something. I guess the home part a touchdown works and ace. They're running away and they're going. A hole in one. Yeah. Seven hole in ones. Croquet. Yeah. A croquet. We scored a croquet. Yeah. I don't know how this called croquet, but I like it.

Well, one croquet, two croquet, three croquet, four, five croquet, six croquet, seven croquet, more, and you win. If you get to more, you win. Yeah. It's like tennis. Yeah, seven croquet more, and you win. If you get to more, you win. If you get more, it's like tennis. Yeah, but more, but more. Even more like tennis. 1530 more. Yeah, gotcha. Now this, I'm more all.

In 1942, there was a record 82 escape attempts. Whoa. Nearly two a week. So most of them, they don't get out, but they just constantly try and constantly try. A couple of weeks, they'll be exhausting for the guys. Not that I'm on their side. Well, the prisoners were, didn't treat the guards that well, they did what they called goon baiting, basically pissing off the guards with little pranks like water bombing them

and, you know, setting fire or stuff throwing poo at them. May, mainly just harassing them to distract them from their real escape plans. So they have to deal with this little crappy sort of you know annoying stuff all the time whilst Jones is bloody under the stage drilling away. Amazing. Now they developed a series of complex hand signals to indicate to each other which way the soldiers were going. Yeah pointing pointing. Complex., they pointed with two fingers. Oh, naughty fingers. And the resistance at home was able to help them out by smuggling them things to help escape

attempts. They sent them files. Well, things are like that. They're given things that looked innocent like inside. They send them a record to play on the gramophone. But then they'd smash the record and inside was a map. The backs of cards could also be put together for a giant map. Or given a compasses hidden inside things like pens.

All things that say once around you, because you're in the middle of a country, you don't really know very well. So the more hope you can get onto your out, the better. I was thinking that before, like with the the Scotsman who is in the bag of hay and then walks to the train station. I wouldn't know where the fucking train station is. I don't know where the train station is in most Melbourne, South-Ears. You gotta try and find the train.

We had Google Maps, I'd be like, oh, I just wandered around aimlessly. They also sent them pens with Google Maps. Oh, that's so, that was really handy. Yeah, really handy. Chapter six. Now I thought we did six, that was six. Chapter seven.

Yes. The noody run. Yes! I'm on board already. The leader of the British Resistance, Pat Reid, was himself able to escape. He made another copy of a key to a door that would lead them to freedom, and after walking through a courtyard at night with three other men dressed in dark clothing and not being spotted by patrolling guards which is amazing in itself. This spotlights, this men patrolling up and down every other place, there's very quietly sneaking around. He got to the door,

found he couldn't open it, spent an hour jiggling it, trying to get the key and then you know, when you get a key and there's like a little bit there And then we're not fucking this shit. No avail. Hmm. Never one to give up. He decided to take them into another place where he heard that there might be a storage seller. He was right and inside there was a tiny air shaft That initially he wasn't able to get through. He wasn't able to squeeze through it. Oh my god. So he took all these clothes off.

Yes. To make himself as small as possible. And he found some olive oil. Well, he scraped the shit out of his body, you pound. Oh, see, because he didn't loobe himself up. He got a loober. He got a loober. He was able to squeeze through.

You got an egress. That was something. Really? Creece me up, woman. He and the three men. Yes. Yes, we do. We have good stuff. Oh, he and the three other men, they all got naked, squeezed, they should have thrown

their clothes through. Yeah, that's smart. Go through. Kind of. I would forget to do that and I would just go out naked and be like, oh, fuck. Well, maybe what they would have done was left the clothes with the last man and then he threw it because imagine if you threw your clothes through it confidently and then you couldn't get through.

Yeah. They just got back to the barracks and you don't have any clothes. Great point. But they made it and they made it to Switzerland. So another few home runs for the Brits. What? No, as to ask the upper tunnel like that, nude. Oh.

That is, that is a French tunneling. And you've, no, that's French tunneling. Now that's a French tunneling. You're giving them quite a bit of space before you start going, aren't you? You're not gonna... I do want to get out there. I mean, you are.

A lot of the time you have already crawled through a sewer. Right. Interesting. Nose to us. Oh, imagine someone farted in your face. Ah. What chapter am I up to? Eight.

Chapter eight. A beautiful woman. Oh, question mark. Question mark. It's not gonna be a woman. It's not gonna be a woman. Oh, beautiful. Not all the escapes were successful, obviously.

So they're trying a lot of stuff. On the 5th of June, 1941. Still two attempts a week, they'd all be out. It was all successful. In 1941 and June, while returning from the park to the castle, walking back up the hill, some British prisoners noticed that a passing lady had dropped her watch. Being British gentleman, one of the brits called out to her,

but the lady just kept walking instead of coming back for her watch. This aroused the suspicion of the German guards on a tiller point. It hadn't crossed their mind that a civilian woman shouldn't be in this restricted area in the first place. They just sort of all looked at this beautiful woman. Upon inspection, she was revealed to be a French officer dressed as a very respectable lady back to the castle. Oh, but the English guy is absolutely...

Excuse me, excuse me. Dr. Watson. This one, shiver, regets you. She's thinking, fuck, definitely, excuse me, excuse me, drop your watch and this one, shivori gets you. Yeah, she's thinking, fuck, shit, fuck, fuck. Like also time your escape a bit better so that people aren't walking past you. But yeah, why are you, oh, okay, yep. Bama.

Bama. Chapter nine, the Sparky. Oh, somebody, the lights went out and they got an electrician in. Oh my God, exactly right. One of them in looked remarkably like the local electrician. What's his name? A man named Willie.

Of course, his name's Willie. So they purposefully blew the circuits of the lights to the castle. It's fucked around with the fuse box, so that Willie would have to of the lights to the castle. You know, it's fucked around with the fuse box, so that Willie would have to be called out to the castle. Willie came in and a few minutes later, the officer that looked like Willie went out dressed in a similar outfit to him. So good.

Tried to walk out through the front gate. Unfortunately, the fake Willie showed a pass that had just been updated. So he wasn't allowed out. He was caught and there's a photo of the two willies, like the Germans took a photo of them together and they look so similar. Oh, that's crazy.

Should I Google two willies now and see what comes up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Google two willies. Google two German willies. Two German willies. That'll be much safer. No, no, no, two German penises. Wait, no. You idiot. German willy penis.

Hang on. Chapter 10. The Ghost. Oh my gosh. Okay, firstly, sorry. Can I just quickly go back one step and say that that was amazing that I picked. That was incredible that they Are amazing from Sparky, which is which is all right Matt which only means one thing

It's amazing that you get fucked. Okay, you pick this I can only say that that that slang for an electrician in Australia Go on Matt. I think that's an English thing. Isn't it? Or is it? Oh, we do. It seems like a wee depth. Bit of a colloquial, or is it okay? Maybe. I think a lot of our colloquialisms are... If it's that easy, nail it from the ghost. Go on. Tell us what happens in this one.

Yeah, as if you don't, you know already. Do you want me to say it? Yep. Well, one of them kills himself, so he can walk through the wall to safety. One of them, I have a guess. Not that far off. One of them puts a sheet over himself, walks around for a bit going,

it's a bit too spooky for some of the guards and how do you go? I'm an electrician. Not a sparky, he's a spooky. Oh! Not a Sparky, he's a spooky. Ha! This far overseas listeners, a spooky is someone who looks like a ghost in Australian cloakwear like... Ah!

Some of the prisoners were known as ghosts. What they would do is fake and escape attempt. And then, but they would never actually leave the castle. They would hide. I want to, ever someone would make a successful escape attempt when they then, but they would never actually leave the castle. They would hide. I want to, ever someone would make a successful escape attempt when they got out of the walls. Once they were gone, the ghosts would reappear and pretend to be them.

So they'd never notice that that person was missing, like they, for a couple of days. So they'd sleep in the person's bed, eat in their spot in the mess hall, and be, be counted of them in the lineup in the morning. So they'd take place where they're uniform, that kind of thing. Then after a couple of days, they would disappear again. Meeting the Germans didn't know that the escapee had a two-day head start. So they'd be like, oh, you know, Elaine's just left. Really? So they'll be looking in a smaller perimeter. Yeah, they'd be close by, but really, he's halfway

across Germany. So good, I love this. Yeah, what team work? Oh, the Ghost Often lived a tough life, often hiding in uncomfortable spots, and there were no longer able to write to their families, because they had to pretend to not be there anymore. So back home, they'd be getting a letter every few months, but they'd have to cut that off. Wow. Crazy.

And then I would just do that for the greater good, or the good of their friends, whatever. So cool. Yeah, wow. I'll just do that for the greater good, or the good of their friends, or whatever. So cool. Yeah, wow. I would not do that for you. Hope those guys got some of those metal things. For ghosting. Yeah, ghost, there should be a ghost cross.

It's invisible. Chapter 11, oh my God. The red fox. Matthew. You are the red fox. Yeah. What? Is this one where the fox eats the prisoner and then jumps the fence and then the prisoner out again. What else? So close. Okay. God joke. Amazing that the Geneva Convention had been respected up until this point.

And all those that escaped and were recaptured simply returned to cold. It's it was a rule that escaping prisoners couldn't be shot. But in 1943, Hitler made it decree that any enemy soldier caught out of his uniform in either civilian or German clothing was to be treated as a spy and shot on site. So this made escape attempts much more dangerous. Because obviously you can't see it. If you're outside the castle in your uniform, you're going to get about five minutes away.

A man who was not afraid of this ruling was British men, Michael Sinclair, who had escaped from prison so many times that he was nicknamed the Red Fox. Classic, multiple escaping animal. A slide. He had a big rap. Big, big rap. It had be noticed that he looked a lot like amazingly again. German guard commander, a German guard commander that everyone called Franz Joseph. Because that was his name?

No, actually not his name. He was nicknamed that because he looked like an also. It's so complicated. An Austrian leader from like the late 19th century. Wow. I believe. All right. His real name was harder to pronounce than everyone called in

Franz Joseph. So I'm just going to go on that. Franz was a high ranking commander. And if Michael Sinclair could impersonate him, the plan was to relieve the German guards of their duties, swap them with British soldiers dressed as guards, and if successful, the British would have about three and a half minutes for as many men as possible to descend

from the British quarters, overlooking the side of the castle via ropes made of sheets. Oh my God. And they could all just make a run for it. Basically, I wanted to do that. Before the real German guards returned to the guard house with the real France Joseph, where they'd discovered the rules. See, they have about three and a half minutes. This plan took

many months for one that had to make fake guns and uniforms so that three men could look like German officers. And Michael Singly had to study France Joseph's mannerisms so he could impersonate him perfectly. Also, he needed to get a sweet fake mustache because he looks like him, except he didn't have a mustache. Grow one. Some of us can't, Jess. I've spent my entire life trying to grow a France, Joseph. Phil's got that might give the game away as well.

Yeah. Yeah, if you start growing and people are like, look a lot of France, Joseph, shut up. He's coming here soon, isn't he? Shut up. Shut up. Stop talking. Finally, the night came after many months,

and the fake Franz Dressiff and two Brits dressed as German soldiers with fake guns made of wood, crazy, put the plan into action whilst dozens of prisoners watched on silent link. The first two centuries were replaced with that argument. So he walked up to them and said, you're relieved, this guy's taking over from you.. So he walked up to them and said, you're relieved. This guy is taking over from you.

And because he was such a high-ranking guy, they didn't question him. All they needed to do now was relieve the man on the front gate. The fake franzoes have walked up to him. The soldier guarding the gate refused to budge, remaining adamant that his orders were to stay put. Sinclair was now faced with the choice of either persisting with a stubborn guard or making a run for it with his two colleagues. He decided to continue with the ruse. He became increasingly annoyed with the century yelling at him in German and was not long before other guards

arrived from all over the camp because he was yelling so much. In the confusion, it appeared as if Mike dressed as Franz Joseph was reaching for a revolver which he didn't even have so the guard shot him He fell to the ground and the disguise was so good that initially the Germans thought that the real Franz Joseph was shot They started panicking because they thought they'd shot like a senior guy Amazingly Michael Sinclair survived. She's taken to the prison hospital Sadly, he went on to be the only soldier killed whilst attempting to escape cold. It's when in 1944, he again made a break for it. He was shocked twice. It was buried with full military honors. And the Germans even made a homemade

British flag to bury him in because they had such respect for him. And he was posthumously awarded the distinguished service order. After the war. He's the only lieutenant to be awarded the medal during the whole World War, hold Second World War for an action in captivity. Holy shit. Oh yeah. That's amazing. Chapter 12.

Oh my god there's so many chapters. Believe this is the final chapter. Chapter 12. The cock. Finally one of the funnest Chapter 12. The cock. Finally one of the funnest sex things. Yeah, finally. It's getting really sick of you. Just talk about the war, mate.

It's all smut, but this one isn't it? Sadly, as the war went on, the escape attempts became harder and harder. Probably the most ridiculous escape attempt of all was the coldest cock. The coldest cock was a name given to a glider that meant attempted to build in order to fly out of the castle. Ha ha ha.

Amazing. Cause it, what, cause roosters can't fly. Is that, they can glide though. I guess that's the point, right? From a height, a chicken couldn't sort of glide down. So as if you threw a chicken off the roof, it could glide. I don't know. If flight, it's wings enough to break its fall, wouldn't it? Yeah, I reckon.

Let's try it. In the name of science, throw this rooster from this castle. We just, we could just watch that, that was in Gromit, that, uh, Ardman movie chicken run. Oh yeah. I think that might be the whole plot line. The whole premise is that they can't fly properly. The idea for the glider came from Lieutenant Tony Rolt. Rolt, who was not even an airman, had noticed the chapel roof line was completely obscured from German view. So if you up on the roof, they can't see you up there.

He realized that the roof would make a perfect launching point from which the glider, a glider, could fly across the river, which was about 60 meters below. Construction took months, and it was built completely in secret, hidden away behind a fake wall in one of the castle's add-ics. So they built a wall, and they'd come in, and the wall was so good that the Germans did notice

that one of the add-ics was six meters shorter than the other. It's amazing. The takeoff was scheduled for the spring of 1945 during an air raid blackout, but by then the allied guns could be heard and the war's outcome was fairly certain. The British escape office decided that the Glider should only be available for use in the case that the SS ordered the massacre of the prisoners as a way to get the message out to approaching American troops. So basically they start shooting everyone, getting the glider.

Wow, that's full on. The glider was approaching completion when the American army liberated the camp on the 16th of April 1945, so it had never been flown, but they proudly displayed it to the Americans. That's great. Imagine how would the Americans have liberated the castle? Like how, that's crazy. Well, basically, they came into the town, they started shooting at the town,

and they had to make a shooting at the town. Yeah, we got to, at the cup this town, eat my lead. What's it in there, a lot? We just got to, we like to. Take that letterbox. Take that town hole. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,hh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, shhh, But the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the butt the It's a castle of ghosts. Oh, you got it. Don't blow us up. We are all ready dead. Woo!

Go shoot some letterboxes. Get ready. Better do what they say. Yannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn No, no, no, no. Oh no, they've got guns too. Yeah, no, no, no. Starting personality gun sounds from inside the castle. Oh, they've got a shemow. Holy shit. How did they get a shemow? Well, we invented that.

In 1999, a full size replica of the Cold It's Glater was commissioned by Channel 4. And the Glater was flown successfully in the year 2000 on its first attempt Wow They would have made it with about a dozen of the veterans who had worked on it 55 years earlier proudly watching on Oh their specifications and they even used the same tools that they had at their disposal and the same pieces of Materials that they would their disposal and the same pieces of materials that they would use. That's incredible

I was so sure you were gonna say it crashed and it Combusted in a massive explosion. It didn't have anything explosive on it But somehow it exploded so those veterans that had survived the war were killed I don't want to imagine that. The final words were, it's coming right for us. The final words were, shh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no It's an app-a-log volume 4. Wow. Home runs, this is titled. All in all, there were some 320 escape attempts from cold-its.

So you're probably wondering who got the most home runs. Yes. Right. It was at 230 attempts or 230 people attempted. You're not a man. Was it 230 single or 230 people attempted? Did you not mean? Was it 230 single attempts or 30? Or 300 and 20. So it's so three times.

Escape attempts, yeah, sometimes with multiple people. Great. Home runs, five for the Polish, 14 for the British. Oh, 15 for the Dutch. Oh, jabs. So winning the race on 22 Frenches. Wow, good job, Frenchies. Freedom fries. And the final thing I'll say here is an honorable mention He's on 22 franches. Wow, good job, franches.

Freedom fries. And the final thing I'll say here is an honorable mention must go to the final escape, the final person to make it. In 1945, before they were liberated, it goes to Lieutenant Colonel Miles Belfrage Reed, the oldest British prisoner in the camp. He feigned heart disease by smoking heavily and drinking concentrated black coffee prior to a medical examination.

And he was sent home on medical grounds. No, no fucking way. They thought he had heart disease, so they sent him home. They sent him home. Yeah, so if you were really sick, they would send you home. And I think mainly because they didn't want to have to look after you. Yeah, it makes sense to be like, why would you want to have to nurse?

Here's your results. Totally. Wow. How long would you expect them to kill someone like that? How long before the liberation was that? I do know. Just a couple of months. So that's pretty funny too,

because it's like you nearly got out of here, man. Yeah. But you would obviously don't know that at the time. No, you don't know. Of course you don't, but it's like you nearly got out of here. Yeah. But you would obviously don't know that at the time. No, you don't know. Of course you don't, but that's pretty funny. And opposed to what a confusing organization and arts is, they'll respect their enemies more than their country.

Like they've, oh, no, so brutal to their own people, millions and millions of their own people. Millions of people. But then send home, oh, this old fella doesn't look too good. Better send him home. Yeah. That's crazy. Post script. Colt is Castle is now a youth hostel and museum. What? And it's a dream of mine to go there on TripAdvisor. It's ranked number one of three specialty lodging in Colt. Wow. So yeah, you could go sleep on a bunk bed in there or something. Yeah, and there's also

like the preserve bits where people escaped and you can look at how cool would that be? We've got to go there. That's sick. We've got a few German listeners, but but please tell your friends because we need a few more to make it worth her time to do a live show from Cold It's Castle. That is my that? That is my report on Cold It's Castle. It's great report. Thanks guys. Fantastic stories. I do love an escape story. Yeah well done Dave. A lot of fun and I will say I remember Cold It's because many years ago probably when it was new in about the year 2000, our timeline of the UK made a great documentary on it which is now all on YouTube and I watched it again

So there's a link to it in the notes of the description and yeah I remember watching that with my dad when I was maybe about 10 or 11 and just being fascinated by it It's amazing. There's also a famous British board game called Escape from Cold It's apparently which would be fun to play Yeah, if you're a nerd Well, which I'm not which I which I'm not, which I am, I'm not, I'm cool. Well, I've heard just like what just one's as bully people so bad. I want to let me bully. Please. And thanks to everyone that's followed up and you know suggested that I do that topic after mentioning it on the child's upper-med episode. If you haven't heard

that one, a great report that just did on a World War II bad ass. Well, probably one of the baddest asses we've ever spoken of. So check that out. Real horrible ass. Oh man, you would not want to be crawling through a sewer with his bare ass in your face. Oh no, no, no.

You do. And of course, it is that time of the episode to say thanks to everyone that's listened to it to this point. And also to everyone that supports the show via Patreon. I have two ideas. One, we give them a team within the castle, like a nationality. Okay.

Or two, okay. Why are you laughing? Well, I mean, they've already got a nationality, but... No, but just from that... Or two two we decide whether or not they would have escaped Oh, and how and what about we and we give them a chapter title Okay, that's better and whether or not it would have been successful. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so what we're gonna do now Is we're gonna thank some people that support us via patreon patreon.com slash-on pod. And as announced on last week's episode, we have eclipsed our most recent Patreon goal, which means from April onwards, we'll be doing two bonus episodes a month. So they're exclusive to people that support us on Patreon.

So you want to have two bonus episodes of this month, 24 a year, one head on over to patreon.com slash do-go-on pod. And there's a bunch of other rewards and stuff on there including thanking some people and giving them a nationality apparently okay well fuck another review come fuck an idea yeah right well I did the chapters okay so it's a great idea no I'll never do it again let's do all those things I think we should definitely talk about how they would escape and what nationality they would be. Okay, let's do it all. Let's do it all. I'd love to think if I could from Australia, from far North Queensland and cans, Kate Jordan.

Thanks, Kate Jordan. What national, is she Jordanian? Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Pretty good, Jess is actually working. And I imagine like, Air Jordan, she would have flown out of there just on her own body power. Oh, she would have like sort of slammed dunked out of it. She jumped a wall. Yeah, from the foul line, she would have.

The foul line? Yeah. Okay. So what would her story have been called the, uh, Ed Jordan? The Ed Jordan, a bit of product placement in her title. She sponsored. That's good. I like it. Thank you, Ed Jordan. The Ed Jordan, a bit of product placement in her title. She sponsored. That's good, I like it. Thank you, Kate Jordan.

Thank you, Ed Jordan. Sorry, you must be so bored of Jordan things, but anyway, we just loaded you up with... Thanks, Kate. But you made it, you survived. Oh, she made it. Yeah, she made it back to Jordan. Well done, Kate.

On your cat. It's a long way back to Jordan for Germany. Yeah. She walked it. Oh, she, you know, she wrote on the front of the train for a little while, but yeah. She Superman on the front of the train. I'd also love to think. From Ontario in Canada, Mac, Schildroth. Oh, what a name.

Schildroth. Schildroth. Mac. Mac. Schildroth. What nationality? Scottish, Roth. Mac. Mac. What nationality? Scott is surely. Yeah.

Scott. Chapter title of the Big Mac. Yeah. The Big Mac, the Big Mac. Oh. So they're a large eight, eight their way out. Yeah. Eight through the brick.

Eight through the brick. And a bit at a time. Made it. Made it, but not by escaping, but by people going, oh, they're sick, let's send them home. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Matt was the plan all along. Matt got so sick from eating rubble that on day two,

he just started vomiting everywhere and they're like, get out of here, but. Yeah, this guy's not okay. Vomiting rubble. He's really unwell. All right, thank you, Matt. From examining the vomit they could tell just how far he'd been digging. The top of soil he was vomiting out.

Look at his only couple of days. He's only a couple of days away from eating his way out. Maybe we should keep an eye on him. No, let him roam amongst the garden. We'll find it. Let him be free. We'll find his tunnel that he's eating his way through. Would you like to thank some people, Dave? I would. I would like to thank from new Holstein in

Wisconsin, America. I would like to thank a very hard name to pronounce. It is first name XZ, so name Neil. I think it's pronounced. One more time. Neil. You're going straight for the Z sound. What we need from you is a bit of an X at the start. You're doing it. I'm sorry. Oh my god. I was talking to Dave. You were nailing it. Dave. I said, we yes. Dave. Thank you. Oh, let me have another go. Come on. I can do this Yeah, one more try Yeah, there it is Neil. Thank you so much

Where is a ex Neil is Serbian okay? and ex How about I come up with a chapter title and he's how many what happened? Okay, I'll be obvious, but okay The bloated hippo. What he did was he got a hippo delivered to the castle. Okay, okay, which he could do through the Red Cross. Yeah. Could do the other's a red cross.

And the guards were like, what's going on here? So they all gathered, because I mean, it's a hippo. Turns out, it's a Trojan horse sort of thing. Ah, Trojan hippo. Trojan hippo. Much Trojan horse sort of thing. Oh, Trojan hippo. Trojan hippo. Much better. Chapter title, by the way, Trojan hippo. Should've gone with that.

And a bunch of allies. Trojan allies. Came out of the hippo, killed everyone. And killed everyone. They all got away. So did it get out? Everyone was dead. Did it get out or they killed in the crossfire?

No, only one. I got out. I got out. Well, so that's three home runs. So I listened to pretty good. Thank you. As if we're going to say somebody didn't make it. Well, I've got a bad feeling about this next week.

All the way from Libertyville, which I run a name if they do not make it. In Illinois, also in the USA, I'd like to thank Melanie Blair. Melanie Blair. Melanie, I'm Melanie Blair. Blair, which project? Love it. Whereas Melanie is a French person. Yep.

So the most time runs. Yeah, go Mel. Mel B. Mel B. Her chapter's out of Sporty Spice, even though that's... Melcy. See, that's the confusion. That was on purpose.

Melby pretended to be Sporty Spice, and she was led out the front door. Wow. Because they did not make it it she drowned in the rivers. Wow. Yeah Didn't see that coming did you know I mean true a quarter something That's why that's why you don't text and walk at the same time. I'll mail be Well played

But her ghost lived on oh definitely I tell you what I want, but I really, really want! Zig-a-zig! Ah! Can I thank some people? Yes, you sir, certainly can. Sir, I would like to thank from a local from Carnegie. I would like to thank Tom Arthur.

Tom Arthur, thank Tom Arthur. Tom Arthur. Thank you, Tom. I'm thinking Carnegie Hall USA. Okay. Interesting. And American. And what would Tom's chapter title be? DW All Wet. DW All Wet.

Yep. So there's a book my sister had as a kid which featured the character Arthur. Because day w was his sister. Yes. I can't remember anything about it but I just always found that to be a very funny title. Okay. Do you want to book a whole book about a little I think hamster advaq. Just getting advaq go into the beach. Is there a whole story in that? Yeah, absolutely. There is. Well, they agreed, I guess. So, his Tom Arthur story, they just went to the beach. Oh, look, I only gave you the title. What's the story? Well, when you said DWI, I just imagined that again, it was another new to scape,

but this time they're closer, gotten all wet, and they just left a note saying, don't worry, all wet. Yeah. And then they did a new, you run and survived. Don't worry, all wet. Yeah, they're also running out of, we're really worried. What should we do? Oh, these clothes are soaking, don't worry.

These clothes are partially wet. Oh no, they're all wet. And did Tom make it nude? Yes. Oh wow. He still lives nude till this day. Yeah, certainly. That's a sign of good luck. Melzy only once if I haven't made it. Sorry, Mal. But I guess.

But I guess it lives on. And I'd also like to thank from Pearl River in New York. Gregory Gritman. Sick name. Good name, isn't it? That's GG. GG. Nationality man.

A Garnian. Oh, wow. Garnan, Garnian. Garnian. Garnian. Fuck, fuck. Okay, chapter title. The Garnian.

Oh, that's good. I mean, it was quite red. Have a Garnian. Yeah, I'm a prisoner of war camp. Oh, And yeah, posed as a Like a head honcho in the Nazi castle poses the bishop of the castle and Bishop of the castle and created a title Pope Gregory poses Pope Gregory. Oh right. They let him out. They're like, oh, what are you doing in here? And I'm like, that's what I was about to ask you. I'm sorry, there's been a horrible administrative error with accidentally arrested Pope Gregory. He's from the wrong time and place. We've got to let him go. He's clearly very lost. We've got to let him go. He's clearly very lost.

But, you know, like the good shepherd, he'll find his way home. Something or something. Is that a Gregory Maker? Yes. Wow, everyone made except Mel B. But Mel B's ghost did. Oh right, sorry. Sorry Mel B, I really tried for you.

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