Two In The Think Tank - 128 - The Death of Carl McCunn

Episode Date: April 4, 2018

It's the first live episode of the year, in it we talk about the death of Carl McCunn. Carl was an outdoorsman and wildlife photographer who went on a solo trip to the Alaskan wilderness and didn't come back alive, this is his story. You can also support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes at www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod- Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/12/13/Photographer-Carl-McCunn-stranded-and-starving-in-the-Alaskan/7238408603600/https://www.nytimes.com/1982/12/19/us/left-in-wilds-man-penned-dying-record.htmlhttp://chipandtracy.com/pg/news/view/sj-history-mystery/the-strange-death-ofhttps://books.google.com.au/books?id=fGZ1CPK5GNoC&dqhttps://www.graylinealaska.com/blog/49-things-you-didnt-know-about-alaska/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Hello! Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, welcome down to Do Go On! Our first show live with the Melbourne Comedy Festival, how you doing? Yeah!

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. So good to see you all. Now, my name is Dave Hornke, and I'm just one humble third of the show. Would you please go crazy for the better half of the show? They are two beautiful people. The Sess twins themselves. Please get up to two and only. Just pokeins, Anne, not sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What a pleasure. Hello. Yeah. Yeah. So good to be here. What a pleasure. Hello!

So good to be here. Alright. Dave looked at me like, what the fuck you talking about? You don't feel good to be here Dave? No, the rapture supports us so loud I was like, what the fuck is Matt saying? Do you say it's good to be here? Yeah. It is good to be here.

Just relaying that in case you couldn't hear that either. Guys, I just want to say it's good to be here? Yeah, yeah, it is good to be here. Okay, just relaying that in case you couldn't hear that either So guys, I'm just want to say it's it's good to be here I got claps fuck you Give me a round of applause if you feel good to be here Thank you very much great to be here. It's It is it's on to say it's good to be here great well well how well look now we've heard his opinion has everyone you you're great oh well you got you got out did this sir how are you gonna beat great good luck

I'm pretty good all right no no but she's honest yeah I like that is anyone feeling pretty shit? Good. That's good. That's good. There we go. Good. Bottle it up. So I'm fine.

So Jess has already started drinking, so that's a good time for the show. Matt, abstaining because you are reporting today, which I appreciate. Yeah. Yeah, I never drink and report. You know that? I know that about me.

That's because of the things. The answer is like, oh, Jesus. Did you really fall off the chair? No, I just ran out of momentum in that sentence. And I think that's good because you're doing most of the talking today. Yes. Good, isn't it?

We're talking earlier because Matt and I are obviously the SaaS twins, but Dave and I don't really have a title when it's Matt's report. So Dave, what can we be? Babe, bro. Don't touch me. OK. Babe, bro.

I know that would have looked a bit weird as I was looking at you. I said babe, but I started leaning here. I think I saved it with bros. That is so... Okay, what's the... No, no, no, babe bros it is. Alright, let's do it.

How do babe bros operate? Cassastro and Zassetti, what the fuck are babe bros? Just a lot of this. Yeah. Do we call him babe a lot to him? Babe, do go on. He hated that. Then it stays.

Matt, what about you and I? Do we have a duo name? Sick. Nope. But we said no more seawater. But Jesse, you're doing a lot of shooting down here with not putting out any of your own ideas. True, true.

Oh, yeah. The supportive buddies, Bavros it is, OK? OK. We're all Bavros and it is Bavin' Good to Be Here at the European beer cafe. Now, give us a round of applause if you've ever heard the podcast before. Now I'll give us a slightly more awkward applause if you've never heard the podcast before. That's okay, that's all right. Tentative applause and that's fine because you'd expect us to pick on you.

That's fine, it's welcome. This is a safe place. I feel like that is either the highest ratio of people have heard the show before or some of you are fucking lying. That could be happening right now. But anyway, if you haven't heard the show before, what's gonna happen here is one of us, this week Matt, is going to do a report on a topic that the other two, the Bay Brows here,

have no idea what it's going to be about. And Matt, have you... have you prepared a question to get us onto... yes I have uh... look it sounds like you haven't prepared a question no no that was made plan up no actually I just want to say because you know last um...

oh hello no last time I did a live report I'm ended up doing I've missed judges a little bit and did a really sad report for Christmas. What was the title of that episode? The five saddest murders around Christmas ever? No, it was the five Christmas time mysteries that just happened to be sad. I was so going to reinforce that mysteries, like I'd accidentally misremembered the title of the show. I do remember that it was called that, but it was very, very sad.

Anyway, this time around, I'm mainly going to put up, because we get these choices voted on right. I'm going to put up three happy and joyous topics, so they have to choose that right. So I put up three happy and joyous topics. Okay. Yeah, I thought I did, but I actually put up two happy... Happy, enjoy, as topics. Okay. Yeah, like, I thought I did, but I actually put up two happy, um,

enjoy, as topics, and one, one kind of sad fucked one, and um, I wonder which one they voted for. Uh, about 80%. Uh, went for the, went for the, went for the sad death. So, 80% with a 20% margin of error. Yeah, not a lot of life lovers on our Patreon apparently, but anyway. So the question this week, it's only vague, any patrons in? Anyone vote on this topic? Is it a sounding nut?

No, I checked with all the others. So the question this week is only vaguely related to the topic it is, because you don't won't know the topic I don't think. The question is, which state in America was bought off the Russians in 1876? I reckon Dave will probably know. So, Jais, I want you to have a good. Oh you're genuinely not wearing a dress. I mean there's only 50 to choose from. Did you know there were 50? Oh is that true? 50 what that is absolutely untrue. Because I will be in the cold cold ground before I recognise Mizzura.

Sinsu! Already it! Already Sinsu! Dave, do you have any idea? Oh, no, just say something. No, I don't want to guess! Can you, you were that you were saying Los Angeles is a problem. Garnet, do you know?

Let's just move on. I mean, is it Alaska? Yes, all right. Is it? Yes. So this way? I mean, it's the one that Sarah Paylon can see from her house. Yes.

Who houses in Alaska? So of course, she can see. Of course she can see it. That's really accurate. She does that for me. Comedically flawed, okay. Look down at her feet and she can see it, yes. I mean she can see Ratchet from her house, fuck. The 51st day, am I right?

So this week's episode is about an American wildlife photographer named Carl McCunn, who died. Sorry, one more time. One more time for the name. Carl. Sir, name specifically? McCann. McCann.

I think I'm starting to realize why they voted for this one. McCannie. Sorry, good. You bloody, funny McCannie. That's good. That's fun. That's fun. Wow, look at that already. We bloody funny mechanic. That's good, that's fun. That's fun. Wow, look at that already we're having fun.

So he hasn't even died yet. That's when it really kicks in. So he will die? Ah, yes. We'll all die Dave. You're spoiling my life as well. Oh no, the topic's called the death of Carl McCun. Yeah right.

And when you, when you put that in the hat, you thought great, there's three happy suggestions for everyone. Are you fucking serious? I didn't saw anything else happy, and she had a great life show. Look, to be honest, I only, only, only browsed it. I only very briefly skimmed through and it sounded like fun. And the word, death, did you hit away at all? You skimmed through the title.

Yeah. The McCun. Alright, yeah, I mean. Carl, there's a great name. Okay. Alright, well, let's see how you can bury this on the ground. So this is the story of his demise in the inosperitable Alaskan wild. So is that you are skim through that word as well? It's that all the important bits, you knew what I meant.

So this cheerful topic was suggested by listener Matt douche. Matt douche in tonight. He's from the south of England, it'd be a bloody good afternoon. Never know. It would be fucking impressive. Geez, not just him. That guy really would have been impressed, but no, not to be. Sorry about that.

So let's talk about, I would love to talk more about Matt Dush, but I don't know anything about him. Let's talk about Carl Funny McCunney. She's that disrespectfully dyed not that long ago. Um, I just had to ask the audience, are you familiar with the work of Funny McCunny? Any, any McCunny heads in? Sorry to do all the cliche call and response stuff early.

I say McCunny, you say... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha He served in the US Navy for about four years after he got through college. How long is the death going to be? No, look. 45 minutes long death. That's going to act it out. By the 1970s he'd moved to Alaska. Oh, topical. We were just talking about Alaska.

Living in the city of Fairbanks, show that people who don't know show have just won't realize it, I set that all up. I don't know. I set that all up. I set that all up. I set that all up. I set that all up.

I set that all up. He winked at me. He winked at me. It's so good because before we walked out, Matt went, I'm feeling a bit flat. I'm feeling a bit flat. I'm feeling a bit flat. I'm feeling a bit flat. I'm feeling a bit flat. I'm feeling a bit flat. I'm feeling a bit flat. I'm feeling a bit flat. And I went, all right, I think you'll be right once you're out there.

To give you a picture of Mr. McCunny, for those of you who don't know what he looks like, anyone here not know. He had curly reddish blonde hair, and he was a big unit, sent about six foot two tall, and about 110 kilos. So big, big man. I really, I really want you guys to picture him before you get sad about him. and about 110 kilos. So big, big man. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr And in 1970, 60 spent about five months living solo in the tough Alaskan wilderness. So it was no champion. I knew what he was doing out there.

And it was pretty familiar with the area, right? Where he ended up dying. What? He was familiar with all of Alaska. The area. Well, I was the area of Alaska. Yeah, that area. Oh, bloody hell. I had to just pay a little bit of attention. Yeah, well I was the area yeah that area Bloody hell

Just pay a little bit of attention a little bit In 1981 he was ready for another stint of solo Alaskan out back living what they call it I think thank you they The valley he was keen on was so isolated from the outside world that it didn't have a name and he also had to be flown in you can get there by Jeep rank. Okay, so what? To be you know, if you're gonna be specific or other or any other make to be honest. I'm a I Lafted check. I didn't look that up What about that what about a hovercraft? Oh getting warmer. Yeah, what about a plane? Yes But what do you tell the pilot if you want to go somewhere that doesn't have a name? Yeah, that's tricky

That is tricky. You just say the Alaska area. Yeah You know, okay, right? I understand now and you're wink you give him a big all-wing and he's like got it He was a guy who knew the area pretty well said don't go there There's no migrating animals, and that's what you go on there to photographer. Was that a direct quote? Yeah, it's an Alaskan dialect. They do it a little differently up there. If I say anything weird, that's why. Um, so his pilot Roger Mayer dropped him at his campsite on the nameless lake in the nameless valley

as the winter of 1980 to 1981 was turning into spring. So, they were coming out of a long winter and that's when he set down there. He wanted to document the area through his camera lens. He wanted to check out the wildlife and the natural beauties, I guess Just like you too and he um Dave quick look beautiful. I didn't have to move

Well, I did Like all right, he's gonna take a good 10 to 15 so everybody get comfy He's like, all right, he's gonna take a good 10 to 15. So everybody get comfy. So he was there for his camera, right? So he brought a bunch of camera gear. I also brought 500 rolls of film. This is in the days before digital cameras. That's too many.

And you believe it? Interesting fact early. That's too many rolls of film. There's a lot of rolls of film. I've got a lot of rolls of film. I also brought a 10. I think I was smart. 1,400 pounds of food including five gallon buckets of rice beans and wheat as well as guns with ammunition. I think you want to bring both of those one without the other. It's pretty silly. So

as well prepared to stay and it was planned to stay until August, so five, five-ish months again, though nothing was set in stone. He didn't have anything locked down as an exit date or anything like that. He also kept a journal, and it was on loose leaf paper, it ended up been about 100 pages long.

So the most of this report comes from that journal. Are you gonna do a voice? I don't know, let's see. Let's find out together. Let me know Let me know if I've done a voice He's done a voice The journal was found by Alaska State Troopers next to his body in February the following year Right so oh, that's the death part and So completes my report.

So yeah, so we ended up, we wanted to leave this late, August and it was found dead in February. It's a fucking difficult word. Could have been any other month. March, I can do that. Ah, the early... Any other month? March, I can do that. The early... Say late, it was late, Feb, so it could have been March. Oh, Feb is good as well. I'm going to say Feb is like a love again.

Feb's great. Oh, I can help. February. Nope. The early diary entry is to describe animals returning from their winter hibernation with McCunny commenting. Cute. I'd love to use comments on animals.

Humans are so out of their modern life. Oh, yeah. LAUGHTER LAUGHTER LAUGHTER Where'd this go from again? I don't know what that... It sounded like Mr. Bean.

Alright, let me try again. I think this quote needs to be said in a certain voice. Humans are so out of their modern-day element in a place like this. I don't know if that'll follow on, but, I think that's that's how I was my read of it It's my interpretation Valley girl. Yeah, that's he's in the valley the unknown valley. No, no, no It's an unnamed valley girl He saw sea hawks. No, he didn't He saw Hawks. He's probably weird from them to be anyway. He saw

Hawks. He saw the Seattle Sea Hawks gridiron team. He saw Ravens. He saw a moose splashing around in the lake, thought about shooting it. But with a camera or a gun. You think camera, he did do with the camera and he thought about it with a gun but he couldn't see Antlers so he goes just in case it's a woman moose. Just in case it's a woman who looks incredibly like a moose. I don't shoot women moose. I've always said that. I think everyone should live. Yeah, he genuinely wrote that and he's not his calendar, he's whatever that fucking Yeah, he genuinely wrote that and he's counting on his calendar. He's whatever that fucking... The journal. God damn it. Anyway, it sounds like a great, it sounds like a beautiful, beautiful experience.

Like it was there, it was living it, it was doing it. It was luring it. He's just keep looking past me to Dave. Allo. Well, looking Dave's all that, It feels like everything's gonna be okay When I look in your eyes madness is all I see So he was it was taking photos and documenting what he saw he was having a bloody great time But you guys aren't here to hear about the good times

No, no, we are we no that's He had to hear about the good times. No, no we are. No, that's for the time. So let's give her a few months to when McCun was starting to realise that the pilot who he'd made loose plans to come back to collect him in August wasn't going to arrive. Oh. This is what he wrote. Did he get a text?

Running late. That was L-8. Be there in midfib. Yeah, because he couldn't talk about February. Who can even say it? So this is when he was starting to realise that he wrote his journal. I think I should have... I think he's lost a lot of weight.

Yeah, I think I should have... He's lost a lot of weight. Yeah, I think he has, yeah. I think I should have used more foresight about arranging my departure. I'll soon find out. I'm down to beans now, just over a gallon. That may not last two weeks. I finished my rice yesterday. You just got a gallon of beans.

That sounds like a lot to me. I picture that as like a barrel. Oh wait, have you got some cheese and some like, I'm not on a beans. Hey, man. That sounds like a lot to me, huh? I picture that as like a barrel. Oh, wait. Have you got some cheese and some like, you know, some bread? I can be alright. Maybe some guac. Oh, a bit of guac.

No, I didn't have anything in there. No, that's gross. Just the beans. You can't make quesadillas. And I can't. What's the point of living? Good, very good point. I knew you were there to make the good point.

All right. And I can't. What's the point of living? Good, very good point. And you were there to make the good point. All right. Running low on provisions. Now, he realized he was being... He was being... Running low on beans. He realized that he was going to have to rely more heavily

on hunting to survive. We've got a big fan of beans up the back on it. I mean, it's a 430 show. What are you doing? What's fucking getting around it? Yeah! No. Can I have a quick guess as to who that was?

Was that Mr. John Perkins? He is a loose unit. Don't engage, Dad. So I'm going to gloss just to see. Yeah, that was Dad. Yep. It's got a bloody good arm, Johnny. So yeah, so he realizes he's going to have to rely more on hunting to survive. And then he wrote, I mean, he don't get down to two leaders of beans

and then think, I probably should have shot something. I mean, but not a lady moose. A loose. E-E-E-D I'll lose. Eat, eat, eat it. They're not all winners, okay? Comedy's hitting me. I was just about to say. I'm doing my best. I'm trying to teach people lessons about death.

Stop making a lot of it. So yeah, so he realized he did regret not killing that moose later on. Did he write that? Yeah, he wrote that. Said I wish I killed that fucking moose. God, he said, I hope they are my final word. But I wish I killed that fucking moose. Bang.

I assume I've been shot fucking moose. Bang! I'm so sorry. I assume I've been shot by moose. Yeah, I assume. So, when he was starting to realise he needed to do some hunting right, he wrote this. He goes, I keep thinking of all the shotgun shells I threw away about two months ago. Had five boxes. And when I kept seeing them sitting there I felt rather silly

for having brought so many. I felt like a real war monger so I threw them away. Apparently chucked them into the lake. Does this feel a bit like a Birkenwool's feel? It's like Birken like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it's like it like it's like buried him or just put him over there. He chucked him into the lake What a maniac Couldn't believe it. Oh better than chucking him into a fire Yeah His journal was becoming less meticulous Early on it was all neat block ladders, but as it went on it was just capitals hungry By this was bad idea.

By mid-org he was... He wasn't even dating his entries anymore. He just really bloody lost it. How do we know it was mid-org? Well that's a bloody guesstimate mode. He was now having to spend a large portion of his day searching for food. He was shooting ducks and muskrats with a few bullets he had left. And according to a New York Times report,

was even drawing the meat of a caribou that died in the lake. So it was making it work. Caribou, I think, is that reindeer in Australia? It's an Australian reindeer isn't it? You said yes to Australian reindeer, you idiot. No you're right. Oh boy, it doesn't meant to be Joe Kanga

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I went, oh, there's no time, creep writing. Show's about to start. I saw a yo-yo between blaming himself and blaming his friends for his predicament and he wondered what? How? I can't believe my friend Keith threw him a bullet's in the river. What a fucking idiot. Fuck you, Keith.

Like how was it anyone else's fault? Before he left he labeled on multiple maps his location and sent them to his family and friends. And he's like, surely they'd be wondering where I am by now. Surely they could have sent someone to have a look. But it turns out he said stuff to family and friends. Like, I don't know when I'll be back. Don't worry about me if I'm a bit late and still look at that.

So you can sort of understand why they were confused. But back in his hometown, his friends were starting to become concerned and they contacted the Alaska State Troopers to see if they would go and check in on him and they did. Trooper named David Hamilton set off to fly over McCun's camp to check on him. When McCun heard the airplane overhead, it must have been such a sweet sound. Like he's like, I've been saved, this is so good. He grabbed his sleeping bag, which is our entrance, is the, apparently, some sort of international colour for, I'm fucked or something.

Anyway, he was swinging around his head right, and then he tried to get the power's attention which he did. In his journal, though, he wrote this, he wrote, unfortunately it was on wheels and couldn't land. So I stopped waving it after its first pass, then got busy packing things up and getting ready to break camp. So he's like, they've seen me. They'll come back.

They got wheels, so they need the sled thing or whatever to land. They'll come back with an appropriate plan for me. So, so while I was waiting McCun, kept packing his camp down while he waited for the pilot to organize a plan with appropriate landing gear to arrive. But as the hours passed by, I started wondering if the plan was going to return at all riding. As sunset approach, I began to doubt if the pilot took me serious. I certainly hope he didn't think that I'm that me having stopped waving men I thought he might have been someone else at first or something. Sorry! Oh my god! No, this is good for the gene pool. Get rid of him! The plane never did return and realizing this a few days later,

McCun was saddened or in his words, totally disappointed, bummed out and somewhat worried. That's a direct quote from our Valley Boy. I'm glad he died because he would be terrible on Twitter. He would be really, really nice writer, but anyway, he's actually a really nice rider, but anyway. I think it was a truck driver by trade. A truck driver. Yes!

Is that true? I think so. I read that in one place, all right? I'm not going to put my life on it. But I think so. It wasn't until later. So he's now a bit despondent. He's like, fucking plain. They obviously misunderstood me, right? But it wasn't until later, so he's now a bit despondent. It's like fucking plain.

They obviously misunderstood me right, but it wasn't until later when he noticed the distressed signal guide printed on his hunting license that he figured out what happened. That's what he said. I recall writing my right hand, shoulder high, shaking my fist on the plane's second pass. It was like a cheer, like what you when your team's got a touchdown or something Turns out that's the signal for all okay. Do not wait So what's it so talk to you. What's the signal again?

First pumping is unalgued Yeah, apparently So then he went on to say sentences sentences, maybe, is the weirdest one of the reports. He said, they probably blew me off as a weirdo. I've never heard it in that context before. He said, it's certainly my fault I'm here now. Exclamation. I'm bloody hell mate. Probably be another five months before another plane passes over he was actually about 50 miles from the nearest

Plain route so there was it was very unlikely that a plane would just fly overhead So if it was coming it would be on purpose, you know and that one was looking for him that one was looking for him But they saw him do a fist pump and went, He's all right. Oh good. They also saw that he had heaps of fire would stacked up. His tent was there. Heaps of beans. No, it's sort of a river full of bullets.

Keep going. No one in the, it was in trouble throws their bullets away. Yeah, exactly. He's got too many bullets. So when he realized that he'd accidentally made the signal for fuck off or more right, he goes, he wrote, I really feel like a clutz. What of that must have been, that's gonna be one

of the worst rollercoasters of emotion ever. And I'm saved. Oh no. Yeah, real roller coaster. You know those roller coasters, you're on me like, whoa, no. On again, the weather was now getting harsher, the lake froze over. So we're moving back into winter months. And he was having to compete with foxes and wolves for food.

Things were getting colder and more miserable for McCun and he was riding or rope. It's been a terrible day for me and I won't go into it. I like this girl. What was he hoping for? He's a bad guy. He's having like some sort of one of the foxes would come up and be like, no, mate, tell us about it. You know, right? He's an intention seeking teenager.

I'm not talking about it. I'm not talking about it. I'm not talking about it. No, I'm fine. There's no one here. Oh, he's the best. I'm on team McCunny now. He wrote that he's getting more frostbitten every day and he only had beans left, which he would already mention. He said he, honestly, he was scared for his life, but I won't give up, he said. I won't give up. He started.

I think to a lot of pink. Yeah. He just feel very motivated. He's very motivated. I was going to say he's pink motivation. Oh, yeah. Did he keep thinking, I am going gonna come up and get this party started? Only pink song I could think of, it really was, it was the only one.

Charlie's Angels soundtrack? No, they knew the song didn't leave me hang on this one. I feel like I disappointed all the fucking pink fans. I'm so sorry. I am, I'm really sorry. He started setting up traps to catch rabbits and squirrels and the traps worked but often by the time he got there to collect the carcasses, he found that he was beaten there by a wolf or a fox and they only left rabbit feet or heads. Which are lucky? And that's what he had to eat.

With the notes it sucked in again. He also, he coordinated Squirrel one time, writing that he didn't find a very satisfying, saying, was only a tease. Even when you chew, he's only a tease, meaning for, like, hunger-wise, only a tease that it would fill him up. Alright, then use the word snack. He said, even when you chew and swallow all the bones, too. So, who's getting pretty desperate I guess for the stage?

He wrote those shooting and eating a fox eating all parts including the tongue heart and liver. The guy who wrote about this he goes as well as all the normal parts of the body. I like that guy thinks of a heart as being an abnormal part of a body. Alright. Ah, things got so desperate that he ate his condiments, including salt, pepper and thyme. I was certain you were going to say, he ate all his condoms. I was certain. Which makes thyme look a lot nicer than he.

Yeah. He said he ate the condiments even though I knew they wouldn't be very feeling. He was just trying to let his stomach know that he was still there. Innos! So he ate the salt. Yeah, that's a fantastic idea. Eat a bunch of salt. He even started peeling bark off trees and eating that.

But no, he doesn't have any condiments to put on it. Salt and bark is delicious. Sure, he spread the condiments out. Don't eat them in, don't show them, that's weird. He was starting to have dizzy spells saying I feel miserable, have had the chills upon awakening for the past three days. But I don't want to talk about it. I can't take much more of this. Can't stop thinking about using the bullet. Oh no, oh Matt. You guys know how this ends, right? Oh, sorry, all right.

Big surprise, Carmen. Three happy topics is what you promised. Life was becoming grim for Macon, I would say. So that's my own editorializing there, but I think I'm going out in a limb there. He was running out of faith and the will to go on writing. Felt to my knees today on the lake in Begg God's help and mercy. I'm sure he heard me but I don't know if he should have any reason to want to help. Yeah, that's... I feel so many things right now. I know, like, the human part of me is like this poor boss,

and the other part's like, AAAAAA! Because you know, if you knew him in real life, you'd just suck so much. I mean, he's in a pretty tough... Yeah! I mean, there's only one person that put him in that tough situation. Yeah.

Um... Art. Hmm. Yeah, his friend Keith. Fucking kid. The weather deteriorated further, and so did his will to live. He was out of food, and with a fire burning, the last fuel that he had, McCun wrote his final journal entry.

Oh God. And burning the last of my emergency Coleman light and just fed the fire the last of my split wood when the ashes cool I'll be cooling along with them She's like quite a great ride. That's a really nice line, right? Yeah, kind of beautifully written. You heard that groan, yeah? I thought that was the groan of delight. You did this to us. Look he's not done, he's still talking, but let the man speak. His last words in your body even still talking over him. Female privilege am I right? Yeah everyone look at your face. Waiting for the regret. I was really counting on our

great listeners and their understanding of irony. But I was disappointed yet again you guys. And he went on to say, I chickened out once already, but I don't want to go through the chills again. They say it doesn't hurt, and people who have died and been revived recall a relaxed and wonderful free floating feeling. Dear God in heaven, I don't know why he's writing to God in his journal. Anyway, dear God in heaven, please forgive me my weakness and my sins,

still so I've just sinned. Please look over, he didn't write that. Please look over. He wrote that in very small writing. Please look over my family, huh? Selfless. Why are you justifying it to me? Because I'm on team McCunney.

Are you on team? He also wrote a message to his father attaching it to his driver's license to help identify my assume. You wrote I assume it? Shut up, shut up, shut up. I read whatever is written. I don't look. That was a matter of hours ago, and I don't recall that, but anyway.

I wrote through the night. I lost hope in stages. So much so that I threw some pens in the lake. Rift King, alright. In the note, he left his belongings to his father and also said that whoever found him could take his guns as some sort of reward, I guess. Gee, thanks. Was that... I killed myself with this.

He was now. What was that written in someone else's handwriting? Yeah, give the guy, just give him the guns. Since here I could take these guns. He also left me his house and his wife. You read ahead. In February? Thank you. 1982.

1982, Jess. ready, you're ready, you're ready. In February, thank you, 1982. 1982 Jess. Hey, good year. So have you been waiting for that and now can leave? The rest of the show. See ya. Approximately two to three months after his final note, Alaska State Troopers found his tent zipped up. They cut into it and found McCunns emaciated and frozen body.

So they didn't use the zip. I had the exact same thought. I mean, if he's still in there, they've just destroyed a man's tent. Alright, this building has a door, we better blow up the side of it. That's amazing. And with the knife, they cut into him as they ripped it in. Yeah, I'm assuming it was frozen over some, but they did not make mention of that, so yeah, good question, well asked, well done. So the journal was just sitting right there next to him,

obviously that's where he would have left it. Didn't have time to move it after the end. And... LAUGHTER According to The New York Times, he died in a wilderness camp near a nameless lake in a nameless valley, 225 miles northeast of this. Somebody named the lake.

Feels like he probably deserves it as much as anyone. Is it named after him now? As far as I know, it's still unnamed. Lake McCum. Actually, no to be honest, this article I'm referencing was from 1982, so. So things may have changed. In the journal, we also named Rory Kukshank, as the man he had expected to return to take him home.

Oh! Naven Shame! Ha! Rory! Where were you? So, yeah, apparently they'd discussed it before he left. And this all led to the coroner the coroner's inquest which found that Cooke Shank was innocent of any responsibility during the inquest multiple witnesses testified that no plans were locked in for Cooke Shank to return to

collect McCun so it's interesting right he really did plan out his trip really meticulously everything brought along he seemed like he really knew what he was doing parts of the story that I didn't mention he like built his own bed when the weather was turning in you to dig four feet down to make some sort of a trench he didn't kill a moose there's lots of lots of things yeah I just didn't know there was like there was a bunch of stuff that might be think like oh this guy knows what he's doing But yeah, the return flight feels fairly important. Yeah, like I reckon it's even you know

It's pretty great just to get a one-way ticket to Europe or something Oh, anyway, what if you rang out a cash rang out a Nearly at the end here right. Nearly at the end here. So, he played out his trip so meticulously, even marking his campsite on those maps, sending them to friends. But saying, don't worry about it. But failed to organize what I would argue is one of the key elements of a successful trip

like this, and that was to get away home. Agreed with me there? I mean, I literally said that about a minute ago. So, yep. But do you agree with me? I seem to think that the plans had been made though. He wrote so in the journal, obviously, that he thought,

you would though, wouldn't you? But he- Like, you'd blame someone else. Maybe, but you're gonna die anyway. So surely, why would you push that guilt on say you look like a hero? Oh, this guy comes off very heroically Um, no that hasn't been a bit of a bit apart from those things It sounds like it was a bit confused because he also wrote in his journal that cook shank told me not to count on his help as he may be an anchorage working

What hang on what? He told, he said in his own journal, the crookshank had told him not to count on him because he may be away working. Okay, and then when he was blaming at the end, did he say ignore page 86? Redacted, redacted, yeah. So crossing that out.

He may be away, he may be away. Wow. The coroner also found that McCunn's death was a suicide, which I... I felt like there was a bit of an open and shut sort of case. Obviously it was in an area, died of a a bullet wound and it was in an area without any other human. So unless it was the moose, say it into the, I'm going to pick that up. That's good stuff. It had to be the moose. Yeah, but he spared the moose.

Yeah, that would have been real dog act by the news Maybe the wolf I mean I mean you could have blamed this crook shank boy I can say crook shanks got a gun to my head. Oh, no, he's gonna kill me Dot dot dot. I'm gonna be saying fucking got him fucking got it And then he's mistaken that he wrote bang I'm dead now That's what gave it away now. That's what gave it away. At the time, McCunn's dad, Donovan said, if anything comes of his death, it will be to caution other people not to get in the same circumstances. If only we can keep one person from going through what that kid went through, it'll all be worth it. He didn't say that last bit. Chile would never have thought it all be worth it. He didn't say that last bit. Chilly would never have thought it would be worth it. But what the fuck is that? Well, it just, I mean, it was just...

Okay, so that is my report on the death of Karl McCun. I don't know how to do that. You could argue in some some might. I don't know. You could argue. I know you look at me. It was a little dark in parts. So I thought I'd end the show, or at least the report, with some fun facts.

These fun facts were about the state of Alaska. There's no... There's no... There's no... There's no... There's no... There's no... Fun facts. Woo! Uh, these fun facts are about the state of Alaska. There's no... There's no fun facts about McCann and McRade. Let's go bigger, let's go broader, alright. So Alaska, the funnest state of all! Funnest, can facts, are you pumped?

I'm excited. Obviously, just decides what's fun facts and what's not, but I'm pretty confident of these ones. Here are my fun facts, all right. How about this one? It is illegal to whisper in someone's ear while they are moose hunting in Alaska. Fun fact.

Okay, okay. Bit of improv for the sound guy, alright? I don't know of any of it. I honestly assumed that was an earthquake. Literally, it went, I went. Alright. Be calm. Okay. Seriously, I thought it was the fucking earthquake. How did you have that ready so fast?

This is like the time he played Anastasia. He is good. He is one of the best in the world. In his defense when he played Anastasia, I also assumed it was some sort of earthquake. It was crazy, Danny. Oh my god. You can't whisper it to somebody, but what if you whisper, I think it's a lady mood. That's important.

That's important. That's important. Or like, don't shoot. It's a child. What? Darren. Suddenly, I'm going to jail for whispering. It's a fuck state. I told you that.

I told you that. So just to be clear, are we going to hear that earthquake sound every time there's a fire? No, we're not. We're not, no promises either way. That's all found out together. Yeah, was the fact fun? That was fun. I'd say that's pretty fun. That's pretty fun. I haven't had a fun fact that got the fun approval from you in a long time.

I'm a tough judge. The way I figure it out though is like, would I tell that at a dinner party? Because I get a lot of dinner parties, you see. Why is that funny? I'm sophisticated. I mean, you're fox. You probably won't tell that fact now, just in case some sort of earthquake sound. Immediately follow the... It's very triggering, isn't it?

It summons this in earthquake. Oh. Alright, next fun fact. Next alleged fun fact. Alaska has the lowest population density of any state in America. If New York City had the same population density as Alaska, only 16 people would be living in Manhattan. That's not fun.

Fun fact! That is amazing! He knew it was going to down! You knew it was coming, some people still visibly recoil. How come you're now judging if they fun or not? That is only 16 people living in Manhattan, that's amazing. Yeah, that's, that's isn't that fun. What a fun time.

I did, I considered making a mold I liked out, but I, I found too many good ones. These last two are crackers. All right. All right, you ready for another one? Ready. Yes, so you're saying that was not. That was not fun. Okay.

One from two, pretty out with that. Here we go. The Alaskan town of Talkeetner had a cat named Stubbs as its honorary mayor for 15 years. Oh! Fun fact! Yes! Yes!

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! That is a fun fact. Look at it, little man! Little cat bear!

How do you do, man? Yes, that is a fun fact. Look at this little man! Look at that man! How do you do, man? He's sitting in his desk! It's very good. I can paperwork all day! Ooh, I'm under the pub. I'm the man! That's a sitcom, nobody else doing.

I'm riding it. I've got a question. Was he voted out or did he die? LAUGHTER 15 years, you say 15 years? 15 years, I think he died. I think he died. No, there's a rule in that town you can only do 15 years.

That's reasonable. Now a...nother cat. All right. You couldn't think of another animal. I could? Go on animal. I could. Go on now, do one. I'm thinking moose, but it feels like moose has been done. What, a cat's in?

Do you have any other moose bears? Look at me, let's see how we go here. It's raining, cat's in. Let's see how we go here. It's raining, Katzen. Doshed. What's worth a bloody shot. All right. Last one. That joke with Kitsel who actually listens to the Patreon shout-out to the end of our show

and who skips those. So, now this area here, everyone else, absolutely skips that everywhere. So there you go. It's also the name of the guy who was suggested this topic, Matt Doge. Thanks so much for doing that, Matt. Doge. That says that you told me to yourself.

Good job, Matt. You're the best one. He's the last final fact, JP. I was talking, but no, I'll take it from you. Thank you. Feminism. What, sorry, what were you saying? No, it doesn't matter. Revelation. Oh.

No, they don't like it when we fight, do they? Like we never do. Final, possible fun fact. Yes. Apparently it is legal to shoot bears in Alaska. Mm-hmm. They're not lady moose. Not lady Moose.

Oh my God. I wish that was that so much. So much more fun than this. No, I go on. Right, I'm going to incorporate that in. Yeah, it's going to be. It's memory. It's very small. It's very small. It's very small.

It's very small. Let's see what this one is. You guys are seeing comedy happen live. Last one. You forgot to do inverted commas. Comedy. Thank you. Last but potential fun fact here.

Apparently it is legal to shoot bears in Alaska. But waking a sleeping bear to take a photograph of them is prohibited. As is shooting Lady Moose. And that is the end of the report. Well done, let's get it! Cheers! Congratulations. Congratulations. I think the highlight for me was the earthquake sound. That was so terrifying.

But I feel like we've all learned a lot today, especially not what not to do in Alaska. So if one person can learn from this, remember what his dad said. It will all be worth it that my kid is dead. That whole family is fucked. You're paraphrasing there to be honest with. Dave, are you going to wrap this shit up or what? Well, let the gentleman, if you will, allow me to wrap this shit up or what? Well, uh... Let it generally be well allow me to wrap this shit up. Before we go, we have a big round of applause to Shane Donlop for recording these on film,

they're you Shane? Jeremy Webb on Tech, thank you, Webbby. Hello, Webbby. He's the earthquake guy. Thanks to Carl Chanler for organizing this a million great podcasts down here at the European beer cafe. So please do check those out. But until next week, we'll say thank you, and I'll say goodbye.

Bye. Also thank you Bianca Bradley. Yeah, thank you Bianca too. Bye bye. What a fun show. That was, hey, it's me, Matt back in the studio sitting here all by myself. Not sad. Feel real good. It feels good. What a fun, that was a really fun episode. Anyway, at the end of the episode, what we normally do is we think our Patreon supporters. If you want to be a Patreon supporter, you can check it out at patreon.com slash do go on pod. There's all these things you can get like a bonus episodes. We're now doing two bonus episodes a month. I also do an infrequent newsletter

catch up. We do some live videos, video chat things and a few other little bits and pieces. And basically, you're the guys who keep the show afloat, which we really appreciate. Thank you so much for that. If you want to contact us elsewhere, we're on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all of it is do do-go-on pod. But yeah, normally at the end of the episode we like to thank some Patreon supporters. I've got three lined up here. It's buddy. It's way harder to do without the others to make it funny, but this is just going to be super sincere. Normally we'd make it some sort of a game. I don't know what kind of game we could do today.

Maybe it's what crucial mistake would these Patreon supporters make if they were going to live in Alaska for a month by themselves. All right. Obviously our man McCunny, he forgot to book a flight home, which turned out to be a mistake you could argue. I haven't thought this through, but hopefully my riffing brain is on. I'm doing this in the morning and it probably isn't. Anyway, I'm babbling now, so about that. I'd love to think from Bloody Hell, Wigton Cumbria, Mr. Ross McFadzean.

Ross McFadzean, that's a sick name. So it's Wigton Cumbria, let me look it up. I'm fascinated by Wigton. Okay Wikipedia. If it's going to Wikipedia page, that means it's a legit place. It's a market town in Cumbria, England, historically in Cumbria, London. It lies just outside the lake, the beautiful lake district. Right, love that area. Had some great times around there. All right, Wigton, sick name. I wonder if there it is. It was like, Gizena and Towns and only based on the name. I wonder if it was like, it's a shortening of Wigtown. That's where all the Wigs. I look at it, I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I'm pretty sure that was where wigs were invented. Ross McFadzean, please email and

let us know. Now I'd say, Ross is obviously this just goes without saying Ross's crucial mistake he made when he went in the alternative universe where he went to live in Alaska by himself for a while. He forgot to pack enough warm wigs and he died of heat loss out of his head. Yep, that is what I'm going with. I have the ability to stop and do it again, but I will not do it. This is one take Matt Stewart here. That's what they call me. Thanks so much Ross. You're fucking legend. Love your work. Medfazian. Medfazian. So good. I'd also love to thank from Vandenberg, California, Jessica Gibbons. Jess, thanks so much for your support. You're legend. Let me look up Vandenberg AFB CA. Look up Van den Berg AFB CA.

Our AFB is Air Force Base. Bloody hell, the picture on the Wikipedia is like a rocket launcher. From space. Air Force Base. It's the jurisdiction of the 30th Space Wing. Fuckin' hell, that sounds cool. It's a missile testing base, holy shit. You're probably real smart. Jessica Gibbons, what crucial mistake would you make?

A rocket scientist, I assume. You obviously did not book your return rocket home. Can you get a rocket to Alaska? So these are the things I don't know. I've never lived on a rocket launching base Certainly not in Van den Berg California. Hopefully I'm allowed to be saying these things Let us know and I'll take this all down. This is hopefully not secret fuck what a bee This is hopefully not secret. Fuck would it be?

Hmm. Anyway Jessica, thanks so much for your support. That is so cool to know that someone is watching Rockets go off while listening to our stupid show. What a funny mix of things. I'd also love to thank from just around the corner from here in Vermont, South Victoria. I'd love to thank Georgia Cowling. Thanks South Victoria. Love to thank Georgia Cowling.

Thanks so much for your support, Georgia Cowling. Vermont, South, I mean, it is not far from here, but I'll see if it's got a Wikipedia page anyway. Oh, it does, that's great. It's a suburb of Melbourne. 20 kilometers east of Melbourne, central business district. 20 kilometers east of Melbourne Central Business District. All right, I mean... Now rocket launching there or anything too exciting history.

The Hw涂undry was where Rundry land. Humber's in Geller is. First settlers were woodcutters and charcoal burners. Okay. That's a, wow charcoal burners was a thing that people did for a living. Okay. Hey, Georgia, you are charcoal burner. Thanks so much for your support.

That is so cool. Hopefully, maybe you're even at the live show. If not, hopefully you're at one of the ones coming out, please do come and say hello. I'd love to thank you for your support. You haven't given me anything obvious there. I need something obvious to work off. Vermont South, all right. Now obviously being a Melbourneian, your crucial mistake

was you forgot to pack a bloody good quality coffee, barista grade coffee machine maker, Marat. You just didn't get your bloody caffeine hit in the morning and you just weren't yourself. So that was your big mistake and you ended up throwing, no, yeah, you threw your coffee machine in the lake when you felt weird or something. Fuck, this is good. This is good, solid riffing. Thank you so much, Georgia Kelling. You legend. Georgia Jessica Ross. Three the best.

So sorry that you weren't here a week where Dave and Jess didn't get to read out your name. So hopefully you're not too shattered about that. Let us know. Obviously if it is a real big issue for you, I'll get them to do it on a future week. I really will do that. Thanks so much, you saw it.

I love that so much. We'll be back next week with another live episode. I think I forget who's reporter will be, I guess it's jassas or daves. Anyway, we'll see you then. Thanks so much for listening and talk soon. Bye. Bye. Later. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network.

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