Two In The Think Tank - 133 - The Axeman of New Orleans

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Starting point is 00:01:23 You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus Visit PlanetBroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Wanuki and as always I'm joined by Matt Stewart and Jess Pukins. Hello. Hello. Thank you for joining me. And welcome to the news. It did feel a bit Newsy, didn't it? Yeah. This always feels like a barbershop, quite a hubbub for a tattooing. Hello.

Starting point is 00:02:12 Hello. Hello. Hello. Yeah, that's gonna do the new one. Hello. Good fun. Good, we do have fun, don't we? So good to see our second week back in the studio.

Starting point is 00:02:24 So get new to it. Yeah, I feel a bit out of place. Yeah. I don't know, like who am I looking at? Where's the audience? Yeah, I know. We have to look at each other again. Things side by side, we don't have to do that anymore.

Starting point is 00:02:35 I know, I know we sit in a fucking circle, like idiots, I can see both your ugly mugs clear as day. We're applauding against each other. We will crack first. We'll kill you both. I'm a little bit delirious because I worked today and then came here. So I'm going to lose it at some point. I'm just letting you know. Just wanting you. Okay. I appreciate it. I'm well-rested and I changed a light in my car today. Something I didn't think that I was capable of, but I did it. Good job.

Starting point is 00:03:01 What's the YouTube tutorial? Where was the light? Like the headlight. Like the main one. One of the main ones. I've been driving around for about six weeks with one. That's really good. If I got pulled over, I was always gonna be like, what? I'd say majority of people would get someone else to do that.

Starting point is 00:03:15 And you are, you keep saying you're not even handy. I'm definitely not. You did. Took a long time. The guy in the video wore gloves, so I put on the only gloves I could find, which were the ones you used to wash the dishes with. Yeah, great. And I took them off after about two minutes, because it was very difficult to use. You should do a video of you watching that video following his instructions. It's just me going, what? What did you know? Okay.

Starting point is 00:03:37 Like, Google box for YouTube. Yeah. In the UK, the main lamp is a main lamp in the UK. In terms of headlights is high beam. And the low lamp is the main beam. I was watching a UK video thinking, hang on, because we call the very bright light, the high beam. Anyway. So what, they're just normal lights a high beam? So what do you mean?

Starting point is 00:04:03 No, they're normal lights. It's like a low light They call it low right we call it marker Like a fog lights Fog lights. I don't think my car has those I think my car just has a light. Yeah, they're like good luck to you If you driving this in box, I've got a couple of torches take to the front I've got like actual torches like men's like medieval. It's like some kind of flame.

Starting point is 00:04:30 There's been blown out as soon as you go above fucking hell. Yeah, that's why I'm always late. Oh, it makes sense. It's foggy out. Light the candle. We said literally before we hit record, we're going to get it to the subject. I say it because I know I'm the worst at it. So you want one of us to.

Starting point is 00:04:51 Yeah, you're not, you're pretty good at, you're like, Oi! I try. But I'd say only one in six times. Doesn't work. Well, you plug something and then I'm going to be in Sydney this week. So Sydney listeners would be so cool to see you there. This will be the last time I annoy you with plugs to the show, because it's the last time I'm doing it. Sydney this Saturday night, the whatever night that is, 19th, I think, 12th.

Starting point is 00:05:16 It's the 12th of May at Giant Warf at 930 tickets via mathewatcomedy.com slash gigs, matsthewatcomedy.com slash gigs. It'll be a lot of fun, I believe, and be great to see you there. Also, always a great opportunity to bug me, to bug these guys to bring the show to Sydney if you want to come back. Do you want that to happen? Which I bloody do. Yeah, go on SportMat and maybe we'll do a show in Sydney again. Huh?

Starting point is 00:05:44 So the way Dave, this is how the show works right. One of the three of us does a report on a topic that's been suggested by a listener. One of the three of us know what that topic is. The person who's done the report. The other two do not know. The other two of the three. The other two of the three in case you're wondering which two of which. And the person doing the report starts the report gets us on topic by asking the other two a a question this week Dave is doing a report Dave, what is your question? Alright, here's my question. Petron, people voted for this topic. My question is when it comes to serial killers, what is the scariest weapon they can use?

Starting point is 00:06:21 Oh, good stuff. I guess it's like, I'd say. Something blunt. Yeah. A spoon. A spoon. Oh, yeah. He was struck with a spoon, 996 times.

Starting point is 00:06:34 That's classic, that's a classic Robin Hood Prince of Thieves line. He goes, I'll cut your heart out with a spoon and his cousin or whatever. I was like, well, I use a knife because it's dull It'll hurt more great line. It'll also just be a lot more work for you a lot more work I'm trying to break skin with a spoon Oh picturing a wooden spoon obviously Wow, the only spoon I use Stir my coffee with a wooden spoon

Starting point is 00:06:59 I'm guessing a knife machete or a kitchen knife but you're not oh Getting close to the chucks getting closer with that would take a few hits unless you're really it wasn, machete, or a kitchen knife, butch knife. Oh, right. Getting close up. Getting close up with, that would take a few hits unless you're really good. It wasn't machete, spear. Nuclear bomb, nuclear bomb. Shops, it is sharp. It's sharp.

Starting point is 00:07:15 My wit. Ha ha ha ha. Prepare to die. Ha ha ha ha ha. That's something, say something. It's an axe. And axe, my axe. And axe murderer. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'm usually the size of the kid's head. We've lost you. We've lost you.

Starting point is 00:07:46 Right, okay. An ax murderer. You hear a lot about, you know, like, ax murderer, I say, like, you know, it's just a common trope for a murderer. But I'd never really come across an ax murderer. I would call it in real history. I would call it creepy looking man, an ax murderer. Right.

Starting point is 00:08:01 Like, he looks like an ax murderer, you know? But I don't think I know of an actual ax murderer. You know, do you know how many ax murders only the only one that comes to mind to me is the the wood chopper in little red riding hood kills the wolf with an axe oh yeah so is he not an axe murderer he is wow and heroic axe murderer I'm like an axe hunter I think if you're if you're killing an animal I think you can call yourself a hunter. I got to think butchers or people who...

Starting point is 00:08:28 They're fucking murderers, man. Oh, I agree. As a vegetarian. I agree. Even after... Meat is murder. So, even at the butchers, when the meat is well and truly dead, every kind of stew. What does he think that care was born dead, does he?

Starting point is 00:08:43 He knows. Has he think that that cut's going to bring it back to life, does he? Yeah. I don't know. If you're a butcher, get it, touch. Tell us what you think. No, this is about an ax murderer. This topic is cold and I'm, I put it up for the vote for the few other pretty sensational sort of sounding topics.

Starting point is 00:09:02 But of course, this one got picked. The ax man of New Orleans. Oh, so that, I've just, some of the time I thought you were doing a general report on the idea of ax murdering. No, no, I was just using that question because I knew you wouldn't have probably heard,

Starting point is 00:09:17 you had probably haven't heard of this, Axeman, I imagine. Axeman. I hadn't. No. Axis, it's. Dimebag, Darrell's the most famous axeman, I know. It's just such a, Silsa, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, thousands of suggestions. I've never, yeah, never noticed it. It sounds fucking crazy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:46 And it does not disappoint. Okay. 1918, let me take you back to New Orleans. New Orleans. I know Americans often call it New Orleans, but we usually say New Orleans. No, la. Right. It doesn't make us right.

Starting point is 00:10:01 I know, but what? Should I pick one and go with it? Yeah. I don't know if you can go with it. Yeah, with it. You're all going to be hard. You're all animals. Okay. So people in Rome don't call it Rome. They call it Rome. They call it Paris. Yeah. Very confusing. It's confusing. They're like, when in Paris, and it's like, what? The rest of us say when in Rome. They go, what's Rome? It's very confusing. It's very confusing. Uh, Italians.

Starting point is 00:10:24 Okay, 1918, New Orleans. The Big Easy, the birthplace of jazz, home of Madigra, often referred to as the most unique city in the United States. Well, this unique city was about to be terrified by a very unique serial killer. Oh, God, you are just so good at this. This is what happens when you put time into the reports. I don't.

Starting point is 00:10:47 Time and passion. Time and passion. It's just our second New Orleans report with your, which, I know, no, not which. It's just like a voodoo queen. Oh yes. The voodoo queen of New Orleans. On New Orleans. New Orleans sounded better.

Starting point is 00:11:00 For that one, yes. Yeah, yeah. But this one wrote New Orleans. Now to truly set the scene for this murderer, we have to go back a few years earlier to 1910 where there was a spate of attacks on Italian grosses. Approximately eight years earlier. Mmm, math. That's correct. So New Orleans Italian grosses were being attacked. They were from Rome. Oh, there is. Most of them Sicilian. It's a very French not that I've heard. So quite a French. Yes, the French quarter is there. But out of all the cities in the south of the US at the time,

Starting point is 00:11:31 that had the biggest Italian population. Most of them Sicilian. According to Miriam Davis in her book, Axe met a new Orleans, the true story. So you know it's true. She could be sued if her book wasn't true if you'd name it that. So she's confident. She put it on the line. I like that. On August 3rd, 1910, Harriet Croutier woke from her sleep to a man standing over her, brandishing

Starting point is 00:11:57 a meat cleaver and demanding money. And if if she didn't give it to him, he would quote, do to you what I just did to your husband So that point it would have been like this. I do it to you what I did just did it to your husband speaking with his hands My remember my Nana is Italian so Maybe just call it nonna just to be safe So cultured No, no, just to be safe. Okay.

Starting point is 00:12:27 So cultured. Multibany. I do it to you. Well, just because the victims of retaliation doesn't mean the attacker is a telly. Might as be a big fat racist. Oh, that's not discounted that theory. Are they definitely fat though? Yes.

Starting point is 00:12:43 No, we'll get to that. So the make Clever said, I'll do to you what I just did to your husband. The make Clever said it. Yeah. There's a puppet show. She was like, I dropped some asses last night. This is fucking weird. No, I really don't want to be doing this. Well, it's too bad. You're really doing it.

Starting point is 00:13:07 Well, you better do what he says. I can't control him when he's like this. Oh, no. Whoa. Whoa. Oh. No. No.

Starting point is 00:13:16 So basically, Stretender saying, I'll do to you what I just did to your husband. It was at that point, because she'd been asleep up until now. She looked over and saw her husband covered in blood, thinking he was dead. So she panicked, retarded her bed, handed over the then sizeable sum of $8. But this wasn't enough for the attacker who demanded more. His puppet show was worth more than $8.

Starting point is 00:13:34 Fair. You got to, you know what, when you're an artist, the hardest thing is knowing the worth of your art. And like, you know, not just taking free gigs. Like, no, I work hard, I deserve to be paid. She's like, I've got a free beer, would that be enough? It's like, make it too. I'll be happy.

Starting point is 00:13:53 And a four dollar pizza, thank you. Thank you. Is this a particular gig you've got to go for? I don't know. I don't know. Oh. This $8 wasn't enough for the attacker who demanded more cash.

Starting point is 00:14:05 Harry had, however, lied and said that was all she had, even though she had heaps more stuffed under her mattress. Yeah, bitch. Yes. Yes. Yes. My life is worth a lot more than that. Yas queen, yes, she gets it.

Starting point is 00:14:20 And the attacker fled after this. On his way out, the attacker grabbed the family's pet mocking birds' cage, took the cage outside, threw the cleaver in the yard, put his shoes back on after all, he didn't wanna bring mud into the carpet. Oh, he's pulling it. Then he freed the bird from the cage, rolled a cigarette and smoked it on the back porch

Starting point is 00:14:37 before leaving. Okay, that's odd. Also, I like that she had $8 stashed in case of robbing. Two smart. So you have two banking hands, you main one, and the one you want to get robbed. You rob a count. Deacon and rob a count.

Starting point is 00:14:53 To get kept. So you can allocate which one is to be robbed? Unfortunately, I did label it Rob this one. Cool. So. And don't rob this one, it has a lot more in it in the other one. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:06 Okay, I guess it's very clear. Yeah, I mean, I suppose I'm better at getting that one. So this, when, what, did you say 1800s? 1910. 1910. So this is pretty DNA, pretty fingerprints probably. So he's happy to just throw the... There is early fingerprinting, but they don't use it.

Starting point is 00:15:20 It's so early on they don't use it in any of these cases. Yeah, because that's not much. What a great time. Be a criminal. You just throw the weapon into the yard. It's really the golden age of serial killing. Yeah. Yeah. Now with all the bloody. That's chopper. You were like someone with compulsions to kill you'd be now. You'd be like, damn it.

Starting point is 00:15:38 Yeah, it would really suck. Wouldn't it? It would really suck. Living in this day and age with a compulsion to kill. No, good. Obviously, this is a pretty crazy story about this meek liver guy. Some historians debate that it may have been exaggerated this one but what is definitely true is that both Harriet and her husband survived. Right. So was that blood? Or had he been eating a pie and bed again? Because I swear to God George. If you fuck it get more crumbs in this bed. That's a saucy pizza. It's the cover. It looks like

Starting point is 00:16:15 it's covered in blood. He's full of sleep because he's full. I was thinking, I was thinking for a second that this murder was so, or this thief was so genius that he made him look. Exactly what I thought. I'm like that. He chopped the shit out of him. He just didn't chop him enough. Right. That's disappointing. So smart. So smart.

Starting point is 00:16:36 Why didn't they just pull fake blood on him? Duh. Yeah, if he's, I mean, is it meat cleaver? You think he's the butcher or her? Women can be mass murdermatterers too. Thank you. Um, yes, Queen. But maybe it was Harriet all along.

Starting point is 00:16:54 See, that's, that's a way, it's always someone in, you know, someone close. It is always someone close, isn't it? I mean, you guys are probably the people I say most frequently. Oh, I don't know. Shut up, do you think, is that a threat or a... No, I'm just, I'm just a say most frequently. Oh, I don't know. Shout out to you, Stanley. Is that a threat or a... No, I'm just a little concerned now.

Starting point is 00:17:08 Oh, okay. Me too. Yeah, you always get killed by one of your podcast's co-hosts. I've heard that. There's so many statistics. So many statistics. From 1910. The attacks continued and although they were vicious, none were fatal until 1911 when

Starting point is 00:17:23 Grocer Joe Davies body was found. He wasn't just gross. He was gross. Showing injuries that appeared to have been inflicted by a meat cleaver. His body was fucked up and his brains were literally beaten out of his skull. Oh, Dave, I don't know why I'm mad at you, but I am. Yeah, don't say fucked up. Sorry. His brains were effed up and his brains were literally beaten out of his skull. Oh, that's the bit I don't like. Change that bit for me and the other bit for Matt. His body was effed up and his brains remained inside his skull.

Starting point is 00:17:57 Thank you. Probably don't have enough to make a note of that. You would have assumed it. I assume you would have assumed, but I'm Thara. You know, assuming makes an an offset of you and me. Yes. Now what connected these modes? I think assuming makes an offset of you and me.

Starting point is 00:18:12 I think assuming makes an offset of you and me. When I was growing up, we had a dog called me. Well, that's... That's who we're talking about here. You're gonna make it all set of me and Ming. Yep, I'll do it. What connected these attacks together were both the types of victims, Italian grocers, and the fact

Starting point is 00:18:36 that the attacks used meat cleavers, and the weapons had been found in the people's own house. So this guy wasn't BYO meat cleaver. Right. He broke in, went to your wasn't BYO meat cleaver. Right. He broke in, went to your kitchen, grabbed your meat cleaver, and then attacked you. I don't have a meat cleaver. He would have left.

Starting point is 00:18:51 As a vegetarian, I guess you wouldn't. I don't need it. You don't cleave much meat. I've got knives, but they're for chopping veggies. Yeah, nah. That's a classic thing in some horror movies, some scary movies. Maybe I'm just thinking of Scream.

Starting point is 00:19:03 But, you know, they'd show a shot of the kitchen. They'd be knives on display later in the movie or not long later. They'd show it again and they'd be clearly one of them missing. Yeah, yeah. Like this little sign that says, put six to knife here. Yeah, or it's like dusty. So it's like, it's still really obvious. But they haven't used that knife in a while. I hope they wash it first. Yeah, yeah. I'm getting a cross-contamination Dustin fiction nothing worse. Some of you are allergic to it. Yeah, you don't want that. Yeah, yeah, imagine Imagine if that's what killed you. Oh, you survived the stabbing but the dust infection got you You didn't get dust in me, did you? Oh, I'm deaf. I need my epi pen Down I go

Starting point is 00:19:43 Goodbye Down I go. Goodbye. Good boy. Good boy. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. I wasn't mad till I saw the dust. You know, sometimes people kill themselves. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

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Starting point is 00:20:30 Besides painless. What the... Just imagining that testing it on a bowling ball. You know, in fact, in clean reds, I was like, look, I can pick up a bowling ball. Look, I can suffocate this bowling ball. That's the fucking dumbest thing. Somehow you made a dumb line. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:21:01 See something, and I think I'm'm just gonna add some dumbness here. Alright, so this first actual killing led the murderer to be referred to as the cleaver. Ooh, well like that. But then... I want the cleaver! Where is this? New Orleans. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:19 Now, don't, now, do your voice. Do it again. I want the cleaver. Hello, my'm the Cleaver. Hello, I'm an ex-Pack Cleaner. Ex-Pack Cleaner. Oh, he's given away some more of the story. Spoiler.

Starting point is 00:21:35 Suddenly, the Cleaver's attacks stopped. The Cleaver seemed to have given up. The Cleaver referred to themselves in the third person. I'm giving up, I'm adding up. Alright. Alright. Who wrote? I also spent some time down under.

Starting point is 00:21:52 Picked up a couple of their phrases. Oh, the dingo's got me fucking baby. G'day. It's like a low high. Can you just ass out the it? Alright, g'day. Hello. Oh, I'm, good eye.

Starting point is 00:22:05 What is Rob with us? Okay, so the attacks stopped. This is the preamble, by the way. This is the little, little, little intra to suck people. Yeah, this is, oh, this is about an ax motor. So the attacks stopped. But thankfully for this report, the attacks again started six years later. December, 1970. Oh, six years later. December,

Starting point is 00:22:25 1970. Oh, back, baby. That's a fair gap. So you get, if you're saying it's the same killer. All four members of the Andalina family were attacking their home by an unknown assailant, brandishing a small hatchet. That's the type of axe. Small axiom we go. And also a terrible book that I read in year seven had to study the hatchet or hatchet. One of the two. It was really shit. It's also what chickens do. Um.

Starting point is 00:22:52 You're going to take a little time out over there, Matt. Yeah. You just look like you're about to give yourself up. So you jumped in. Yeah. Time out. Let me put you out of your misery. I was trying to do the

Starting point is 00:23:05 Dave thing and making something down my butt. I overcooked it. Much like a chicken. Much like a chicken. All four members of the Andalina family survived and at the time it wasn't clearly linked to the cleaver attack earlier in the decade. In hindsight though, we now know that the killer was back. Bum bum bum bum. On May 22nd, 1918, a few months later, Joseph Maggio and his wife, Catherine, were sound asleep above their grocery shop. He's attacking Italians. They were Italian and grosses.

Starting point is 00:23:37 So Italian grosses. Oh, he's got a weird vendetta against grosses and Italians. Or is he an Italian grosser taking out competition? Good early theorist like this. A man role people. I was gonna ask you for the theorist later on I assumed it was going there. I'm glad we've gone early. More people. Always. So a man broke into the home where they were sleeping and not just any man, this was an axe man. Meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meenim, meen He gained entry into their house by chiseling off one of the panels of their backdoor and crawling through. Holy shit.

Starting point is 00:24:26 He really wants this. Walking into their bedroom, he first sliced the couple's throat with a straight razor. He's got the need to cleave. Whilst they slept. Ask me what I've got the need for. What have you got the need for? The need to cleave! Swing!

Starting point is 00:24:42 Cut their throat. Why do you get a bowner? Swing! Swave, swing! Cut their throat. Why do you get a bone? Yeah. Swing. Swing, swing. Then he just to make sure that he was doing it properly. After he cut their throats, he bashed their heads in with their own axe. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:24:56 Okay, so they had an axe. Yeah. Presumably somewhere around the house. Yeah. They didn't have a garden shed. No, I was just lying around. They just had an axe flying in here. So the left hand here is pick up after yourselves people.

Starting point is 00:25:06 You live in filth, you'll die in your own filth. Filth being an ex. Now, sleeping in the room next door was Joseph's brothers, Jake and Andrew who were awoken by the throat cutting kerfuffle. Joseph, I don't know if that can be counted as a kerfuffle. Double murder. It's a kerfuffle.

Starting point is 00:25:24 Oh, okay. Is it a doubleaffuffle. Double murder. It's a caffuffle. Oh, okay. Is it a double murder? Joseph initially survived. Initially. But quickly died after his brothers discovered him. By which point, Catherine was already dead. So yes, it's a murder. Her throat having been cut so deep

Starting point is 00:25:37 that her head was nearly seven from her shoulders. Oh, okay. All right. So yes, Matt, it is a double murder. People, the people won't blood. I, yeah, true, but I also would have liked to sleep tonight. I actually had a nightmare last night. Oh, kidding. Big bass on the...

Starting point is 00:25:52 I think it was from this. Can I, I really want to tell you about the dream I had last night. Okay, was it about the X-man? No, can I tell you real quick? Yeah, yeah. So last night I had my alarm set for 9 o'clock this morning, and I... Me too!

Starting point is 00:26:08 Oh my god. Oh my god, this is terrifying. And I had a dream that I woke up at like 12th, and I had to be at work before one. So I was like, oh no. But then I actually woke up from that dream, checked my phone, it was quarter past eight, I was fine. I went back to sleep, had the same dream again, except this time in my phone, it was quarter past eight, I was fine. I went back to sleep, had the same dream again, except this time in my dream, my boyfriend had, I had slept through the alarm and he'd

Starting point is 00:26:30 woken up and turned it off, I'm going back to sleep and I'd woke up at like 1230. Anyway, so then I actually wake up from the dream and I now I have no idea what the fuck is happening. I don't know if I'm awake or not. The alarm's gone off. I'm awake. And I told Aiden the dream. And then he said he had a dream in which he'd heard about this TV show that had won 12 Emmys and it was entirely in Morse code. Daytime Emmys or regular Emmys? I don't know. Regular, let's say. A lot of that's your question. Well, that's pretty good. But he was like, he's heard about this show and he's dreaming, he's like, I don't check that out. More's code. He's dream.

Starting point is 00:27:07 He's dream. Beat my double dream. I thought it was cool that I had double dream. No, double dream's pretty like it. Yeah, same thing. I think you're a dream one. And that crazy? But in the second dream, I was aware of the first dream.

Starting point is 00:27:21 And then when I actually woke up, I was like, I don't know what fucking year it is. Feels like an annoying TV show. My dream was about an axiomer era. So let's talk about him now. Sorry for D-Rathering, just wanted to share. Not fun. The only calling card left behind by the killer was the bloodied ax. Police ruled out robbery as a motivation for the attacks as money and valuables left in plain sight were not stolen by the intruder, it was all very mysterious and chilling. A police made the connection with the murder of the Magiara couple with the previous spade of Italian grocery attacks six years earlier that I was talked about at the start of the episode, because in addition to the similarities in victim, using a weapon in the home and the method of entry. One clue that seemed to suggest a possible connection was they found outside, possibly a second calling card. I may have liked that, because there was a message found in Chalk near the scene of the crime that said, quote, Mrs. Maggio

Starting point is 00:28:12 will sit up tonight just like Mrs. Tony. The last victim of the previous Priya of attacks was found to have been a man by the name of Tony Skiambria. Tony and his wife had been attacked in bed also. Perhaps she was the Mrs of Tony Skiambrja. Tony and his wife had been attacked in bed also. Perhaps she was the Mrs. Tony. Mrs. Tony. She was talking about... Mmm. Well, she had firstly her own first name,

Starting point is 00:28:32 and that's her husband's first name. No, please, my wife is Mrs. Tony. LAUGHTER You could call me Tony. LAUGHTER OK. Don't know why I called you Mrs. Tony, but... Hi, I'm Tony. This is my wife, Mrs. Tony. I don't know why I called you Mrs Tony, but alright. Hi, I'm Tony, this is my wife, Mrs Tony, I don't know. So they made this, they did make a connection.

Starting point is 00:28:49 And police went out praying that this was not the beginning of another murder spree. Spoiler alert, it definitely was. Thank you so much for putting in spoiler alert. This way I had the chance to skip forward 15 seconds and go. Okay. We've got another killing here. Lewis Bessimer and his mistress, Sausie, Harriet Lowe were discovered in the back of his grocery.

Starting point is 00:29:13 Another Harriet. Yes. Interesting. This is true. Lewis and Harriet. He's not married just to his mistress. That's OK, Dave. What's not shame people?

Starting point is 00:29:23 I'm not shame them, but that was quite scandalous in 1918 New Orleans. So, a baker named John Zanker was making his morning deliveries to all the different groceries. He should have been a banker, not a baker. No. Banker Zanker. You got one wrong. Idiot. You just couldn't quite hear the careers counselor.

Starting point is 00:29:41 Sorry, what was that? A banker. Baker. I'm really good with numbers and terrible at bread, but okay. I also got very bad hearing. Help me. No one answered the front door when he knocked, so he went out the back and Lewis himself came to the door, covered in blood and claimed to have been attacked. His mistress, Harriet Lohad, also been assaulted by an ax-wielding man who had first struck Bessamer, Lewis,

Starting point is 00:30:05 in the right temple living in with the skull fracture, and then slashed his lover over her left ear. She was unconscious. The ax, which had belonged to Lewis himself, was found in the bathroom of the apartment. The intruder had gotten in the same way, chiseling out a panel of the back door. And crawling in like a little dog. Yeah, yeah. Like a little, he's made a cat flap. He's made his small cat flap. He scrolls on in. Wow.

Starting point is 00:30:33 Louis survived the attack, and Harriet would hang on for seven weeks before dying of her injuries. She used her final weeks, according to this mysterious universe, to make, which is a cool website, to make quote quote increasingly rather bizarre and contradictory statements to police about who she thought the attacker was. In quote, first saying it was a black man, then a white man, because she said initially that it was a black man, they arrested Lewis Uberkin, who was a black guy who had just

Starting point is 00:30:57 started working at the grocery store. Harriet then changed her story and said it was actually her lover, Lewis, another Lewis who had a taxi. Oh, the guy that had a fractured skull. She was like, no, he was the ex-guy, and accused him of being a German spy. Okay. So she's just sort of pointing fingers,

Starting point is 00:31:13 describing, you know, varying descriptions of who the attacker is. This caused a media storm because of the vicious nature of the crime. The fact that it was the second attack by this possible serial killer, it was between two unmarried lovers who a bit of scandal there.

Starting point is 00:31:25 One of whom might now be a German spy. So the media allowed me. And this is World War One now, right? Yes. Yes. Yes, yes. The year was 1941, 18. Okay, I fucked it up.

Starting point is 00:31:38 It's not World War One. 1918, yes it is. 1918. Yes. I was saying 18. Oh my God, I'm so confused. It was 1918. That is World War One.

Starting point is 00:31:47 Can confirm. Can confirm. The grocery store worker, Louis Supercon, that Harriet originally fingered, went to trial, but was found not guilty. I enjoyed riding that. He was found not guilty, mainly because her husband, who'd also been attacked, was kept saying, it's not our worker, it wasn't our worker. She just said it was me too, and I'm not a German spy.

Starting point is 00:32:07 So Harriet eventually passed on after pointing the finger at many different people. After fingering many people. Quite a head injury. Yes. And nobody thought maybe cognitively something's not... Yeah. You are.

Starting point is 00:32:23 But we'll come back to them later in the show. Oh my God. Yay! About a month later on August 5th, the Axeman struck again. Eerily, it was the same day that the aforementioned Harriet Lose succumbs to her injuries. Oh. So the day she passed on, he struck again. On the night of August 5th, I said, 28-year-old, eight-month pregnant Anishenitor, a work to a dark figure standing over her, he then repeatedly bashed in her face with what was later speculated to be a lamp. Their axe was also missing from the back shed.

Starting point is 00:32:53 Her husband returned later than usual that night to find his wife covered in blood. But thankfully she survived and gave birth to a healthy girl just two days after the attack. Fuck. Did you say she was pregnant before? Yeah, eight months, very important.

Starting point is 00:33:05 Oh my God, I would have been writing that a lot harder. Yeah, I looked at you like, oh, he's gonna, he's gonna be very upset. That's why I got to it quite. What is this surprise birth? Did they know? Ta-da! I tried to get to it quite quickly to put you at ease.

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Starting point is 00:33:49 I know Schneider is a stapler. Rob Schneider is a Karen rated PG-13. Anyway, I'm actually Schneider. I couldn't recall, this is the one that's given birth. I couldn't recall much of the attack, but claimed that she had been attacked by a dark figure that resembled some sort of phantom. The phantom of the operarist. What is phantom main?

Starting point is 00:34:16 I just thought, because the phantom's the guy on the purple. And the phantom of the opera wears a suit. And a mask. Does it just mean they're a ghost? Wearing a mask. Yeah, it's just another way to go and a mask. Does it just mean they're a ghost wearing a mask? Yeah, it's just another way to go. Ghost mask. Phantom.

Starting point is 00:34:29 Here we go. Phantom menace, what does that mean? The ghost of menace. Oh. Wow. No, the ghost menace are put off in there. The Phantom of menace. A Phantom.

Starting point is 00:34:41 Now, a ghost, a figment of the imagination, not real. Oh, okay. So that's a... So she resembled... Something not real. Not real. Okay. All right.

Starting point is 00:34:54 Is her name Harriet as well? Honestly, no, she... What's she? Mishish, no, yeah. She's Mishish, no, no. Harriet, no. No. It was at this point that the lead investigators began to publicly speculate that the attack

Starting point is 00:35:06 was related to the previous incident involving Beshima and Magio. Beshima. Yes, the city had a serial killer on its hands. On his hands. Oh my God. He's only been successful in one out of the three attacks, but still serial killer. You know, anytime on the news they're like, oh, somebody's, you know, wielding a knife and they name a suburb in Melbourne?

Starting point is 00:35:25 I'm like, oh God, that's terrifying. Oh yeah. It's crazy. Okay, Melbourne, there's an ax murderer loose. Okay, thank you. Well, just this next sentence is not going to make you feel any better. The ax man's thirst for blood was quill, quilly.

Starting point is 00:35:43 Damn it., was cocking Just was he right, does this make you feel worse? Yeah I'm shit as hell I'm terrified stop! Please Dave, you're killing me It was clearly not quenched by the attack on Anna Schneider Quilly Because just five days later he struck again

Starting point is 00:36:01 Imagine how chilling that would have been if I didn't fuck it You wouldn't have been if I didn't fuck it. You wouldn't chill to the call, Matt. Yeah. I'd give you time. This would be like five minutes of thoring out time. That's already. Yeah. Fuck. It's like a tepid soup. That's not what you want to be tepid. What do you want to be tepid? Hug. You want to tepid hug? I don't want a hot hug. That's weird. Exactly. Warm is nice. Warm hugs, nice day.

Starting point is 00:36:29 Teppid pool water. Oh, here, good one. If it's supposed to be, or if there's just been some kids in it, that's not good. Oh, my God. Like, what does tepid mean? Oh, it means it goes to come. Stop making me be Google words. It's somewhere between, I thought it was like a room temperature-ish.

Starting point is 00:36:54 Yeah. Is it? So you own blood? Alright, and you show idea. Someone picks a word from the dictionary and the others have to try and guess what they think it means. Oh, love it. Boulder Dash. I'm just Googling it. Okay. The last thing I Googled was, how do you know you have a tapeworm?

Starting point is 00:37:07 So that's good. Wow, do you reckon you've got one? I don't know. My stomach hasn't been great. That's why I was playing that tapeworm song worth a system of a down when you walked in. Oh, I had no, I thought you were, I didn't know what you were doing.

Starting point is 00:37:17 Teppid, only slightly warm, lukewarm. Yeah, you know, nice. So you are teppid. Sure am, baby. Fuck, I wasn't worth it. Sorry, Dave to go on. Oh, here you go. So you are tympered. Sure am, baby. I wasn't worth it. Sorry, Dave, to go on. All right, here we go. So he struck again.

Starting point is 00:37:29 The quench was not thirst, other way round. You know what I mean. Jesus. Pauline and Mary Bruno, two sisters living with their eight-year-old uncle Joseph awoke when they heard the sound of scuffling coming from the uncle's bedroom. Scuffling. Ooh, they ran in and claimed to have seen Joseph being attacked by a tall, dark, heavy set figure in a dark suit who was wearing a slouch hat.

Starting point is 00:37:50 Oh, yeah. That racist. Mm. The attacker ran with one of the girls screamed out. The sisters would later emphasize that despite the man's size, the intruder had been quite awfully light on his feet. A dancer. Ooh, I love that theory.

Starting point is 00:38:07 Or maybe it's someone who's wearing clothes to look heavy set when they're not. Oh, fat suit. Definitely. Big Mama's house. Yes. Or it could be like a 1980s AFL footballer. There were a lot of big units there.

Starting point is 00:38:24 But quite big. But quite big. Yeah. Tony Pogelocker. Yeah, I think you're really making generalizations And in 1980s, AFL footballer, there were a lot of big units there who were very athletic, yeah. Tony Pluggilocker. Yeah, I think you're really making generalizations if you assume that all people who are maybe a bit more heavy set, they're going to walk around like, doom, doom, doom, that's, that's silly. Well, I'll take that up with Paul Lene and Mary Bruno, who have no doubt dead by now. Yeah, but also some, some people just walk really heavy on their heels, you know?

Starting point is 00:38:44 Yeah. And it doesn't matter how big you are. You just, like, if you have to live with them, you're like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, Dave stopped that show because the moral of that story. I think they're mainly trying to imply that he's some sort of phantom. See the word ghost. See the word tepid. See tepid.

Starting point is 00:39:00 Page 161 of the concise Oxford dictionary. I think we should do that as a bonus episode of where we choose a word. That'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word.

Starting point is 00:39:11 I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word.

Starting point is 00:39:19 I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick a word. I'm going to pick words, but we couldn't even decipher the word phantom or tepid so any word T cup. What is it? Cup for tea Dave. Oh, I don't know. I'm gonna Google it. Your little face though is so cute just then

Starting point is 00:39:39 T cup definition Doesn't even come up with a definition. That's how obvious it is. Take up, it's when you're using up a room, adding more. Take. Take it up. I love it. Take up. Take up. I'm going to get there. Bob, sorry about that. Thank you for jumping in.

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Starting point is 00:40:21 Go to mycomputercareer.edu and take the free career evaluation. You could start your new career in months, not years. your The so the attacker ran away awfully loud on his feet despite being loud on his feet. Did you say loud on his feet? Dave please stop the attack and floated away through the wall. He hurts so many other free buffet and ran for the All you can eat. I'm a fatty boy. I've got to go. Bye-bye You're doing the opposite of what I requested You're doing the opposite of what I requested. I'm the 30 boy. He's such a fat man. Probably couldn't drive. He's too fat to get in the car.

Starting point is 00:41:12 Car's invented man. Also, pretty early for cars. I think they were early on. Yeah, they were around late 1800s. Not everyone had one. Not every ax murderer had a car. In fact, then. Uncle Joe, Remember Uncle Joe?

Starting point is 00:41:25 A to use old. He'd been hit on the head and received two large cuts. He managed to walk to the ambulance. Hey, cuts. Yeah. He managed to walk to the ambulance once it arrived. He died two days later to use severe head drive. Oh, you're kidding.

Starting point is 00:41:36 Pretty good, isn't it? Getting hit struck twice. You can't just to the ambulance and then... You know what? If I'm calling an ambulance, I don't care what it's for. They can come get me. Like, you know, if I'm calling an ambulance, I don't care what it's for, they can come get me. Like, you know, I pay my ambulance membership. I've got to check that.

Starting point is 00:41:50 Put me in the, Yeah, you really do it. Put me on the trolley thing and wheel me out, okay? You're trained to do it. I'm not walking. trolley thing, another one, we don't know the word, Granny, yeah, I was thinking it.

Starting point is 00:42:02 I will call it a trolley thing, because I pay my membership. I pay their wages. I love it when people say that. That's good. I pay your wages. The personnel that you work for the ABC. Yeah, and the taxpayers pay my wages. Thank you. The Australian taxpayers. I want to get my eight cents worth, Jess. Well, tune in, Triple J. Ah, so Uncle Joe, he's gone. I'm so sorry, he died. But when police arrived, they discovered that the back door had again been chiseled in and a bloody axe was found in the backyard.

Starting point is 00:42:33 Does he ever just try the lock? You know? He probably tries that first. Ah, what hope so. Or he just likes chiseling. Who doesn't love a good chisel? People were very scared now. It seemed like the axe man could strike at any time, able to gain access and disappear at will. There was now a state of extreme chaos in the city, with residents living in constant fear of an Axeman attack.

Starting point is 00:42:54 Newspapers started to refer to the attacker at this point as the Axeman, and this did nothing to quell people's fears. If anything, it made him seem even more terrifying. People began to make numerous reports about missing axes, reports of shadowy figures lurking in the darkness, and even some funny, their doors chiseled open. Wow. So people are like, the first few you could be like, you misplaced the axe, that figure was a shadow, that shadow figure was a shadow. That door, that one's harder. That door always had a missing panel. An angry bear, hello. Hello.

Starting point is 00:43:32 You've got food in there. Yeah. Bears hungry. Okay. Leave food out for a bear, you idiot. Yeah, leave it out. Are you kidding? I leave it in.

Starting point is 00:43:40 How stupid are you? At nightfall, people began going to barricade themselves in their own homes, because now there's an ax man and bears on the list. It's very dangerous out there. It's terrible time. Armed men started keeping watch over their families and their neighborhoods.

Starting point is 00:43:56 More police were deployed to patrol the streets. In short, the city was fucking terrified. Yeah. Imagine what happened now. You're so scared. That'd be scared. Matt wouldn't be scared. Well, I mean, everyone has CCTV now.

Starting point is 00:44:14 Yeah, no, it's sad though. We've got vision of you being smashed in the face of the ass. Yeah, but then we got the guy who did it. Oh, true, but what if it's a phantom juxtaposed? Oh, yeah, you're right. That's a tough one. I'm not on CCTV say TV, certainly not. Oh, on September 13th, just over a month after...

Starting point is 00:44:30 It's floating cloaks. What's that? Well, that's just a floating trench coat. I can't identify that. I'm just over a month after the killing of Uncle Joe, a man named Paul Dural Jr. went to open his corner store when he found a panel from the store's door removed. Outside, police later found footprints on the fence of the door. Daryl, Jr. went to open his corner store when he found a panel from the door's door removed.

Starting point is 00:44:45 Outside, police later found footprints on the fence surrounding the yard. They suspected that the axman had attempted to get into their house. Daryl and his family survived, sleeping soundly throughout the night. The intruder had been able to get the panel off the door, but he could not stick his hand through to open it from the inside. That's because Daryl had stacked cans of tomatoes in front of the door And those cans of tomatoes may have just saved their lives. I mean, Darrell's?

Starting point is 00:45:10 Darrell's really leaning into the Italian stereotype. Just delivering. I'm putting a can of tomatoes in the front. Why do you want these in the tomatoes? Ah, I took them in front of the door. Which door? They're front of the door. Which door? They're back at the door. I'll pay you a lighter.

Starting point is 00:45:30 Dave? I'm doing it with a strail in the matchup. One matchup. Oh, no, no, no. Nick T. Noppel. You didn't know that's not a nationality. That's a great Australian comedian. Oh, he's crooked great Australian comedian. He's crumpled.

Starting point is 00:45:45 Sorry Nick. Oh yeah, sorry Nick. I'm sorry to the Italians. I'll pay you a lighter. Stop. He's already called you on it. Stop doing it. Is that not okay?

Starting point is 00:46:05 I mean, it does seem to be still the one. Yeah. Maybe that in French that people did push it away with. No, we wouldn't be leaning into this if this was sent in China. Oh, I beg to differ. I think it would sound a little something. I like this. I imagine, fuck. I like this. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, caught a minglier, as well as their infant daughter Mary. Oh.

Starting point is 00:46:52 Charles and Rose both suffered skull fractures but survived. Sadly, baby Mary did not. I mean, I don't like that either. This doesn't sound a bit fucked. Yeah, a dragon? Yeah. Just kidding. Just kidding, fuck now.

Starting point is 00:47:04 The severely injured family were not found when their neighbor and fellow grocer, Eorlando Jordano, came to investigate the noise. Again, the back door had been chiseled off in the ax that was used in the attack for long to the family. It was found covered in blood just casually sitting on the back porch. After she recovered, Rose told police that she and the family had been attacked by E. Orlando, the neighbor that had come to their rescue. She told them that E. Orlando and his son Frank had committed the attack together. Despite the fact that a husband said this wasn't true, and that E. Orlando was a 69-year-old and in poor health

Starting point is 00:47:39 man who was not able to brutally swing an axe and that his son Frank was overweight and way too fat to a squeeze through the hole in the back door. How, yeah, how people just like, like trying to settle scores or something. Yeah, the police arrested them anyway. All right. Despite- People are just fingering anyone.

Starting point is 00:47:58 They're just fingering. Too much of a lot of people getting fingered. Despite the lack of evidence again, the fact that they couldn't even do it, and the husband was saying, she, my wife's lying. Ilandah was sentenced to life in prison, and his fat son Frank was sentenced to death.

Starting point is 00:48:10 Oh my God. They were in jail a year before, Rose admitted that she was lying and had accused them of the attack because they had competed with her own business. Okay, yep. Holy shit. That is that.

Starting point is 00:48:21 That's not okay. It took her a whole year to be like, and the husband, surely the husband saying it's not true is enough to get that. Yeah, enough doubt. Quashed. Quashed it. Quashed it.

Starting point is 00:48:33 Dave, can you Google Quashed? Quashed. Do they sell that at the grocery store? So you just have to have it. What do you think Quashed means? Have it go. It means like, like, crush. Nullifies a...

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Starting point is 00:49:12 or even just like being near the, I'd put my bed near the back door, right? So you'd have... So you'd kill you really easily? No, I'd say you're gonna hear chiseling. Err, err, err, err. Man of the thousand noises. That was a donkey chiseling through a big door. Wow, using it's ho for what?

Starting point is 00:49:32 That's what's happening in the bed of the back door, right? That's a donkey boning on a squeaky bed while he's chiseling through your back door. Oh, colour of your friends donkey. So it's two donkeys having sex right? I think I might have had to add a third. I think I might have lost control there and added a third in. No, I think there was still the two. Two donkeys. Yeah. It wasn't a donkey orgy, the doggie. A doggie. It was just two donkeys. Yeah, it wasn't a donkey orgy. No, a doji. It was just two donkeys Yeah, to try and have another donkey really shizzling through the back door. It's an old euphemism. They're using 19

Starting point is 00:50:14 20s new Orleans hadn't quite come into vogue at the time of this story a little pioneering I'm really looking forward to the do-go automation of that Thank you, Joe. So this attack... John, who actually does the animations. Oh, sorry, he's Twitter analyst, Joe D.D. Yeah, I had Joe D.D. Sorry, Joe. But I was John.

Starting point is 00:50:35 And John, apologize to both of you. We'll see ourselves out. So this attack, the one which you lied and fingered the fat guy and he's dead. This never shown any weirdness to overweight people before. There's nothing weird. It just, honestly, the fat got him off. He couldn't fit through the door. The fat got him off. We took another donkey again.

Starting point is 00:51:01 Lunch was fingering him. Oh, this is lost. Where losing? So this attack was on March the 10th, 1919. This was followed just a few days later by one of the most memorable parts of the killer story. Yeah, so far it's been pretty forgettable. Y'all. There's another axe murderer. Just slashing people's clothes, you know.

Starting point is 00:51:19 But what's the pitch, you know? I mean, there's millions of axe murderers. Oh, here we go. I see you different. I've got the pitch. Okay. A New Orleans newspaper called The Times Picker Un, which still exists. Picker Un is a small coin. Pokemon.

Starting point is 00:51:34 That's how much the paper would cost. I actually did a bit of dictionary stuff myself. The Times received a letter from someone claiming to be the axe man. The author listed their return address as hell. Why do murderers always write in? They love writing, I suppose they've got downtime. They love murderers. They love big noting themselves, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it's either that, but it's that. It feels like that's got to be the minority. Most of them don't want to be found. But a few. But also I reckon a lot of them end up being hoaxes, right? It's people just... True. I don't... What's the motivation of the person, the non-murderer, trying to get in on it?

Starting point is 00:52:09 Because all you're doing is fucking up the investigation. But like the BTK, Roy Lettersdindy? Yeah, he gave himself BTK. And Jack the Ripper did. Yeah, well, Jack the Ripper, there are multiple ones and they're not 100% sure if it's... Yeah, Amazoniac. So they were definitely false ones for the Ripper, but I don't think there are 100% if there's any real Yeah

Starting point is 00:52:30 Anyway, sorry, yep, so he's written a letter return address hell very melodramatic. I've lifted my favorite parts of the letter here This is it esteemed mortal of New Orleans. All right, man They have never caught me and they never will. Okay. They have never seen me for I am invisible. You're not. I mean, they have seen him. They've definitely seen him. They've described him as wearing his fucking slouch hat. Yeah, you're pretty loud on your feet, but they've definitely seen you. I'm not a human being, but a spirit and a demon from the hottest hell. How are you holding a pen? I am using a tie-pride. I am what you allians and your foolish people call the axe. For I am in a

Starting point is 00:53:27 close relationship with the Angel of Death. It's a slayer song that comes up every few months on this podcast. Sorry, Angel of Death. But you... I'm addressing you as the murder, sorry. Okay, let me chanloon. So you're going after a very exclusively, like a very niche market in all Italian grocers. Why does your letter not mention that? You're from hell. What's the devil? What's this Damon?

Starting point is 00:54:00 What do you have against grocers? I didn't anticipate this question. Okay. Right. Press conference is over. Wow. The murder held a press conference. Yes.

Starting point is 00:54:13 This was very dark. I have to go. We've all seen you now. I'm invisible. There's police at the door. I'm a killer. You're under arrest. I am the devil.

Starting point is 00:54:23 Woo. Look over there. Oh, thank God. I've got to go take him away toys Let's do all the kids says now I continue in the letter. This is my favorite bit. Oh, no, the next bit Now to be exact at 1215 Earthly time. Oh, get fucked. On next Tuesday night, I'm going to pass over New Orleans. In my infinite mercy, I'm going to make a little proposition to you people. Here it is.

Starting point is 00:54:54 Oh my gosh, this sucks. I am very fond of jazz music. I'm very fond of jazz music. And I swear by all the devils in the Nether regions that every person shall be spared in whose home at Jazz Band is in full swing at the time I have just mentioned. If everyone has a Jazz Band going, well, then so much the better for you people. One thing is certain, and that is that some of you people who do not jazz it out on that specific night, if there be any will get

Starting point is 00:55:25 the axe. Well hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. There's three of us here, right? All three of us live in different homes. Sorry to, shadow the illusion. How can, so if I was to, I need a jazz band, right? So I need a jazz band to come to my house. Oh, you could play a jazz record.

Starting point is 00:55:47 Right. I'd be for a record. Okay. They just need to be jazz music playing at night. He's still being the axe man. Yeah. Because I'm just confused. Like that would just leave a lot of houses empty, because people would have to go to

Starting point is 00:55:55 a different house. Which would be some art. Just play some jazz. He just wanted to rob them, but he doesn't, because he's... Well, we'll get to what happens. So he signs off hoping that they'll will to publish this that it may go well with the I have been m and will be the worst spirit that ever existed either in fact or realm of fancy he's a fucking weirdo signed the ax man as you dub me yeah you guys me myself call me the ax man so I love. And we know about this guy so far is he's got a chisel.

Starting point is 00:56:27 Slouch hat. Slouch hat. Donkey hates Italian grosses loves jazz. Love jazz wears a dark suit, light on his feet. Heavy set fella. All right, I reckon we're getting pretty close. You're gonna crack it. This is fucking ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:56:43 At this point, it sort of feels like this is a hoax. It's somebody just wants to make people do something that's a bit out there. Yeah. I feel like a real funny way to use the Terry you've created. I think it's maybe someone else. Yeah, it feels a bit hoaxy. Nah, maybe it's him.

Starting point is 00:57:00 Well, people did not take the chance because New Orleans songwriter Joseph John DeVilla wrote a song called The Mysterious Axman's Jazz in brackets don't scare me, Papa. The sheet music was published with the drawing on its cover that just depicted a family playing music with a frightened look on their face. So he capitalized on this terror and sold his song. Yeah. So Tuesday night came, March 19, a New Orleans was alive with jazz that night. People blasted jazz music at home and the jazz clubs were packed that night with a lot of people not wanting to take the chance

Starting point is 00:57:32 of being murdered. Did he say like how, how late it had to go? Because it's a work night. 12, 15, I know, it's late. But the acts man, a true man of his word did not kill anyone that night. He probably just wanted a night off. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:46 He's just pulling a prank. That's so strange. What would you ask people to do? If I was a murderer. Yeah. If. Oh, I tell everyone not to fart for 24 hours. How would you possibly monitor that?

Starting point is 00:58:02 Well, you don't have to monitor it. People are so terrified at this point that we'll do anything you say. So people are just walking around very uncomfortable. Yeah. I kind of a lot of the idea of that. Okay. I'd get them to make the Saints win a game.

Starting point is 00:58:16 I'm not sure. So the other team would just throw the game. You'd be happy with that win. You'd be happy with that win? Oh, look. I already take anything at this point. At this point. Yeah, right. At this point, you'll say yes. Fair enough.

Starting point is 00:58:27 I'd say order a pizza, but leave it outside. And then I just go around, have a pizza. That sounds fun for one pizza. Yeah, it's going to have a slice from each. Oh, great. But maybe just on a straight, you know. Yeah. A small straight.

Starting point is 00:58:44 A cold attack. Tell them we're straight, you know, yeah, a small step. Tell them which I called a sack. Tell them which street you're gonna be on and then approach their front doors and eat a slice of pizza. Okay, I could just get a pizza. You're right. That's silly. I was just being whimsical. Dave said don't fart and that got no criticism. Well, because this is bullshit. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna fart. Right now. Well, I'm gonna leave a pizza out. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna fart on that pizza. Wait, no, I'm gonna bring a pizza in.

Starting point is 00:59:13 Ah, yeah, suck. So people jazzed it, they jazzed it all night. She's their jazz. But sadly, the attacks weren't truly over. In August five months after the letter was published, Steve Boca, another grocer was attacked in his bed. His skull was fractured by an axe and he couldn't recall much of what had happened to him, but he survived. Skull fractures not nice.

Starting point is 00:59:34 The second last attack occurred on September. Penultimate. Nine in September. Ninety-year-old Sarah Lawman was attacked and had her skull fractured when an intruder broke in through an open window. She doesn't sound like an Italian grocer. No, and also didn't she's at the back door. She too couldn't remember much of the attack, but she survived, and a bloody axe was discovered on the front lawn of her building. He's just cracking skulls now. Get back to the slashing. Yeah, there's a lot of sco- I reckon he's using the, he's turning the ax around

Starting point is 01:00:05 and using it like. Yeah. A piece of wood really. Yeah. Just a big heavy heavy hammer. He doesn't even wanna use the ax, he's just sort of feels like he has to now because he's the ax man.

Starting point is 01:00:16 And do we believe it's the same guy still? I don't. Well, his ammo is changing. Mull people. Is that right? Yeah, am I. Or is that right there? Mull. He did use. M.O. people. Is that right? Yeah, M.O. M.O.

Starting point is 01:00:25 You did use. Modus operandum. M.O. I think it actually stands for M.O. Lee. Yes. Correct. His M.O. Lee has changed. I think you're fine.

Starting point is 01:00:37 The final attack occurred on October 27th, 1919. The victims of this attack were couple Mike and Esther Pepitone. Right now. Esther was awoken by a husband screaming and ran into his bedroom. Separate bedrooms. Trouble in paradise. One of them snores. All those.

Starting point is 01:00:58 Oh, it's real trouble in paradise. Oh yeah. Mike's head had been hit 18 times. How do you know that? Did Mike count? The amount of contusions. Well, he hung on for a couple of hours. There's no overlapping, is there?

Starting point is 01:01:14 I can't believe it here. He hung on for a couple of hours, but unsurprisingly, he did not make it. Blood splatter covered the majority of the room, including, according again, to the times, Picki Yun, Maggot, when he was a baby, a painting of the room, including, according again to the Times Picking Unmag, newspaper, a painting of the Virgin Mary covered in blood. Terrifying. Very, uh, biblical.

Starting point is 01:01:32 Other times also claimed it was hard to tell exactly what he'd been hit with because, quote, it was battered into an almost unrecognizable mass. It's all he made his head. Oh, that's... That's Yuck. Still feel like pizza, Jess? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:47 Always. You kidding me? How dare you? That was a dumb question. How dare you? I meant no disrespect. I'm serious. We're ficing now.

Starting point is 01:01:59 Esther saw two figures in her husband's bedroom who had both quickly fled. Two. Did the AXMAN have an accomplice? Oh, was it Frank and Gailman? X-Men. Okay, so that's the final murder. All the old 12 people were attacked.

Starting point is 01:02:14 Six of whom died. X-Men and X-Boy. So, no. So, not a fantastic hit right for a serial killer. And I'm very sorry to say that this is a mystery. No! No, Dave. Dave.

Starting point is 01:02:26 Oh, that is fucked. So we don't know. It could still be out there. We don't know. He could still be out. If he's a ghost. Dave. If he's a tepid, he could still be out there.

Starting point is 01:02:37 You know, I'm terrified of tepid. We don't know 100% who or what the X-Men was and why he killed, but there are, of course, theories. Before we get into them, do you have any yourselves? – Mole people, I don't know how many times I have to say this. – Mo mo mo mo li, what was it? – Mole li li. – Come on man.

Starting point is 01:02:52 – Yeah, well it's gotta be something to do with the Italian grosses, right? – Yeah. – That's too big of a coincidence. – But how are there so many of them? Yes. Large, large population. And there was a seven year gap.

Starting point is 01:03:09 So how many in the first session and the second? What was, someone was doing something in that needle section? Did nobody audit the local grosses and see who was suddenly doing quite well for seven years and then maybe had a bit of a recession and then started axing people again? Or, that's a question, well, they were over the season one, some world war or something.

Starting point is 01:03:29 Or in jail, maybe. In jail, right. I reckon you got theories here. I've got a few theories. The first one is quite Atlanta. It's spies. One theory is that some, what all of the murderers had to do with spies. Yes.

Starting point is 01:03:43 Remember Harriet Lowe and her husband, Louis Bessimer? She's the one that fingered many people before she died seven weeks later. First thing it was, one of their workers, then it was her lover. Then it was because he was a German spy. Well, authorities later found letters written in Yiddish and Russian written by her lover, Louis, and it was speculated that he was in fact actually a spy. She was not shitting them. And perhaps this attack had nothing to do with the Axeman.

Starting point is 01:04:11 It was a spy man. Louis was even arrested for this, but was later acquitted. So he was arrested for his lover's murder, but was acquitted. So perhaps this is just a spread. It's one of those murders. And this wasn't to do with the X-man, that this was a single, he was catching in on that. But if he actually did that, that means he had to fracture his own skull with an X,

Starting point is 01:04:32 which is unlikely, but first by, not impossible, if you're trying to cover your tracks, you're gonna bash your head. I mean, some people are desperate enough to do that. Bloody hell, I reckon that's a real noble act. to do that. Bloody hell. I recommend that's a real noble act. And my act, my act. So maybe that murder wasn't to do with it. Maybe that's just from anime. I think it's obvious. It's obviously giblets. Giblets did it.

Starting point is 01:05:06 Don't you think? Remind me who giblets is. It's the big bitter man from the Lord of the Frost. Gimli. Oh, right, lot of the Frost. Gimli. Gimli. Gimli. What does it ring about?

Starting point is 01:05:19 Gimli. And my arc. That's very good for a character who you, I don't think you've seen. I'm sure I've seen. You were personality other impersonations. Yeah, I've seen. That's what I'm doing at this point.

Starting point is 01:05:30 Yeah. So I haven't seen the film. With your show in Connery. You're right. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Gimli. Gimli. Gimli.

Starting point is 01:05:39 Gimli. Gimli. I like giblets. Yeah. I love that Jess was straight away new at you man. Oh yeah, giblets. Well, we're just said in my acts. Right? Well, no, anyway. Who's the next one? And underneath this, when you when you edit it together, can you get that sort of kind of music that they do under like they do under like, um, olden days dating show things.

Starting point is 01:06:06 And behind door number three. Oh, could you do that? I could, but Jess is also seeing other songs. I was having pretty bad right now. No need. I'm doing it. Carry on. Door number two, the craziest theory of all, the craziest theory is that the X- man is a supernatural being.

Starting point is 01:06:26 Well, it's not a theory. He said it himself. I don't think that's crazy. I think that seems the most likely. Well, everyone remembered, every time someone described the killer, they said he was a large man who was also very light on his feet. How else would such a large man be able to fit through a tiny entrance, chisel through a back door? So he's taken off a little panel. It's not that big. How else would such a large person get through? That monkey.

Starting point is 01:06:48 Can you say just puts his arm through and unlocks the door? You said that before, he couldn't reach through because the tomato cans were there. That is very true. So. Well, case closed, I said it was the craziest theory. And then also, I'm a demon.

Starting point is 01:07:02 How do I get in? Oh, I'm coming from another dimension. Oh no, a door. Chisel, chisel, chisel. No, I'll chisel a little panel and then make myself shrink. Oh no, cans of tomatoes. Just fucking push them over. Then they make a noise.

Starting point is 01:07:19 Honestly, Dave. I mean, these people aren't waking up. That's another theory. He's chiseling up. No one has ever woken up and caught him in the act. Right. And also, he's chiseling the first time anyone ever awakes is when he's looming over them with an axe.

Starting point is 01:07:32 They open their eyes and go, what the fuck, he smashes. It's almost like he has to go, hey. Yeah. Do you remember how your mum used to wake up like, hey, hey, Jess. My grandma was always told me, turn the light on. Don't touch me because I'd probably have had it. I'm turning the light on would startle me.

Starting point is 01:07:49 Honestly, leave me alone if I'm sleeping. That's just a good theory. I think probably a handy thing for you guys to know. Just leave me alone. Yeah, I agree with that. So that's, I'm really glad you did bang that theory. I totally forgot that he had to just. He had arms.

Starting point is 01:08:04 Yeah, like surely He'd just like walk through the wall if he's a super natural being She may can all do that surely But if you I mean it's over the rules otherwise super natural. I yeah Just I'd say you're pretty natural. Yeah average natural to us Your theory is making him feel like a natural woman. What is she going around with? What does that mean?

Starting point is 01:08:38 What does that mean? Just natural. Don't shave my armpits. You make me feel like a natural... You make me feel like I don't shave my armpits. I absolutely do, but you make me feel like a don't. You make me feel like there's hair where there isn't hair. Ha ha ha ha.

Starting point is 01:08:53 That's very strange. All right, we've got a couple more theories. One profiling theory behind the X-man matters. And the one that probably speaks to me the most is that they stemmed from a feud between warring mafia factions. Most of the victims were of course Italian grocers. New Orleans had more Italian immigrants than any other city in the south, as I said.

Starting point is 01:09:12 Many of whom were from Sicily. Were these attacks just early Mafiosos taking out rivals? Possibly. Nine years before the killing of the final victim Mike Peppaton He and his father Peter Peppaton was central Peter Peppaton I love it. It's Peppapas

Starting point is 01:09:33 That exact thought when I wrote his name out So Mike and Peter Peppaton were central figures in the killing of De Cristina. De Crist Christina had once leased the building from Peter Pepperstone for his own grocery, but when the lease expired, he took over the business next door and put up his own grocery, place, arrival grossa. Christina was murdered by the senior pepper tone.

Starting point is 01:09:59 Papa Pepper tone. Papa Pepper tone. That's not good. Hasn't the supermarket game changed a lot for these? Oh wow, yeah. It's crazy. Why less murder these? It's really on the supermarket game changed a lot? Oh wow. It's crazy. It's really on the couple of competitors to be honest. Yeah. So the big food works obviously being the biggest. Yes. And IGA. It's true. Good for the internationals. I love both those references. Yeah, they're probably thinking, yeah, why are they listing supermarkets?

Starting point is 01:10:20 Anyway, so the theory here is that seeing your pepotone, any sun, Mike, had taken out this guy at Degrisdena and that Mike's murder. Puppet, Pepetone. Was perhaps a retaliation for Puppet, Pepetones. I heard he was famous for his perfect pancakes. Puppet, Pepetone's perfect pancakes. Is that true?

Starting point is 01:10:41 Yeah. It's true. Puppet, Pepetstone was known for his perfect pancakes. Because his secret ingredient was paprika. Pepperstone is perfect for your pancakes. That's good fun. The only person that was, that has since been really named as a suspect, and this is the final part of the story, is Joseph Mumfri.

Starting point is 01:11:01 So this two links to the final killing of Mike Pepperippetone son of Papa Peter Pippetone. Mike Pippetone. It was famous for. Pancakes. Pancakes. Pancakes. Panacotta cakes. Oh yeah. That's so good. Mike Pippetone was found by his wife Esther. After Mike died, this is a bit weird. Esther remarried a guy called Angelo Albano. That is weird. Get into the weird bit. Weirdly, two years to the day after Mike's ax-man murder, her first husband, her second husband, Albano, disappeared.

Starting point is 01:11:37 Well, she is not having much luck. Before their marriage, Angelo Albano had ended business dealings with a man called Joseph Mumfrey. After her second husband, Angela's disappearance, this Joseph Mumfrey character randomly appeared at her home and demanded $500. Very large sum of money. She didn't pay, he threatened to kill her the same way he'd killed her husband. Ooh, sounds like you had a real axe to grind. High five, that's good. But guess what, Matt?

Starting point is 01:12:09 You spoke over a high five, by the way. Can we go again? I'll let it in post. Can we go again? Matt, just make the sound of a high five with your mouth. You can do it. Incredible. He's good.

Starting point is 01:12:23 So Joseph Mumfree. Eh. Sorry, I was clearing my throat for the first bit. Why? Reddable. He's good. So Joseph Mumfree. Sorry, I was clearing my throat for the first bit. Why? Ah! There you go. So let me clear my throat again. Here we go. One last try. Ah! That was Dave's looking at me in display for that was not hand-on-hand action.

Starting point is 01:12:45 How is that coming through my head, headphones? It's amazing. So, Joseph Mumfree. Oh, it's confusing. He says, I'm gonna kill you. If you don't like a kill, just gonna give me $500. But guess what, Esther, she didn't take no shit.

Starting point is 01:12:56 Yeah. She shot and killed Mumfree. Fucking hell. Shooting him eight times. Okay, Esther. I mean, it's hard to claim self-defense when you shoot eight times. And remember, $8 was a lot back then as well and they asked him for 500.

Starting point is 01:13:08 I just wanted to say Matt, shooting someone eight times would sound a little something like... Oh, he's warming up. Here we go. That was five. Seek maybe. Had to take a little moment to reload. Just in case she wasn't dead. So you know, like people say they're unlucky in love if they just can't find a husband, but she just keeps finding him and they die. It's crazy. So she's lucky in a way.

Starting point is 01:13:42 But then very unlucky in another way. So just to sum up, when Esther was arrested for the shooting of Mumfree, the guy that had thrusted her. Esther arrested. She claimed she had, she claimed that Mumfree had in fact been the ax man that had killed her first husband, and that she'd seen him running from her house the night that her husband, Mike Pipperton, was there? She's saying this years later. Two years later. Yeah, two years later, to the day. But he's the guy she married?

Starting point is 01:14:11 No. Of lustrous. If there's too many interruptions. She married Angelo. Right. Okay, so she's married to Mike Pippaton. He's killed by the ax murderer. She marries a new husband.

Starting point is 01:14:20 He disappears. And then this guy called Mumfreak comes and says, I killed your husband. Give me money, or I'll kill you too She shoots him and in her defenses He threatened me and also he was the axe man And there were no more axe murders after this guy yeah, how convenient So she got off from the killing she was acquitted she got off saying or self-defense great

Starting point is 01:14:41 It was later discovered that Mumfre had been blackmailing lots of Italian men in New Orleans, and I remember a lot of the men victims of Italian grosses. Earlier in the century, he'd been sent to 20 years hard labor for setting off a bomb outside a grocery that refused to bribe him. He'd also been in and out of prison, sort of correlating a little bit with the time in between the first and the second attacks. And as you said, after he died, there were no more X-Meters. So he may be the killer, but the bottom line is we're probably never known. That one feels like the one, right? I mean, in the way you've just told it.

Starting point is 01:15:17 Well, I mean, there wasn't any other theories that maybe stood out to you that could have been important to you. Obviously, the killer's Mollioli points to some more underground a season. I mean how do you think they're getting they just need a ton of little bit of space I Show that chiseling or not burrowing through the door David you sure Well, they're doing a little bit of it. So they're using the chisel but in their mouths. Right. Adorable.

Starting point is 01:15:46 Moles also have poor eyesight, that's why it's happening at night. Yeah. Because they're... That's right. And they're also hate cans of tomato. Finally. Perkins is right. Finally, it's all falling into place.

Starting point is 01:15:56 I solved it. You're welcome, police. I could try to solve the murder. But I didn't thank the people that suggested this topic. Two people did. Thank you very much. Because I'd never heard of it, and I thought it was quite a cool topic. Thank you to Ryan Baker from Auckland. Did you say this is cool?

Starting point is 01:16:12 Murdering is cool, Dave. Yeah, Shaka Lucker. And Scarlett Kelly from Perth also suggested this. Shaka Luck. Shaka Luck to you. Shaka Luck. Oh, yeah. So what do you guys reckon?

Starting point is 01:16:24 I'm, I'm, I'm got David, I've already told you. I've told you how I solved it, so. Oh yeah, Matt, can you also solve it? What was the question? Solved them, what do you reckon? Yeah, I reckon it was definitely the last thing he said. Nailed it. Jess, mole people.

Starting point is 01:16:42 Yep. So let me finish. I agree. I agree it was mole people. But, um. A single mole person, mole people. Yep. So let me finish. I agree. I agree it was mole people. But a single mole person, mole likely. They work alone. And they always wear slouch hats.

Starting point is 01:16:53 So cute. So cute. But that is the end of the report. That was great, Dave. I had a lot of fun. Mostly in the tangents, to be honest, the axe murdering part wasn't that nice. It was a little bit, I mean, like I said, I did have nine minutes last night, so I apologize for that.

Starting point is 01:17:08 Yeah, I can. Hopefully. I can't wait to also have nine minutes tonight. Thank you so much. I mean, let's be honest, you probably just have a nine minute, but not waking up in time and then relive the dream over and over again. And then it still be jealous that he had a better dream than I did. Fuck, that's a good dream.

Starting point is 01:17:21 Morse code TV show. I wouldn't tell people that I just write it down and make a million dollars. Okay. Can you edit it all out so I can make a million dollars? Oh, we'll do All right, that is the end of the episode and thanks for everyone for downloading in the first place So if you haven't listened to the show before great to have you on board We've got lots and lots of episodes a lot of serial killers and other interesting stuff that you can check out in our back catalog We also have a thing called Patreon which is a way that people that listen every week can support show and keep us going By giving us cold hard cookie cookie cat. That's pretty much it Patreon.com slash do-go-on pods throw your patreon needs and you get a shout-outs you get

Starting point is 01:17:59 Access to other stuff things early before everyone else, and also... We get cold hard, cucka cucka caaare! Also, you get bonus episodes, two per month, two exclusive episodes, just for the people that support us through that platform. And what do they have to give us in order to get all that? Love, attention, and cold hard, cucka cucka caaare! I have an idea for this week, if you'll go with me. I always have ideas and you always hate them. We either. Because they're always quite complicated. No, they're not.

Starting point is 01:18:27 Shut up. How do you? That's how we see it. We are the give them a weapon or a murderer name. So it's like an axe or the axe man or whatever. Yeah. I think murderer. Murder a name?

Starting point is 01:18:41 Yeah. Sorry, the weapon. Weapon, which becomes their name. Okay, sure, great. I think it's cool. And by the way, what we're talking about is we like to thank by name some of those beautiful people that give us the cold hard cash through patreon.com. And we're going to thank them now and give them a murder weapon of choice. You're welcome. By the way, please do not kill with this weapon and then say we asked you to do it because we did not ask you to do that. Oh, good run, covering our butts. Yes. Good. Good.

Starting point is 01:19:05 No one killing one. No one killing one. Of course, it's quite interesting to talk about on a podcast but in real life. Not a great idea. Crime doesn't pay. Terrible idea. Mum, free got shot in the end. So let's remember that. Let's remember that. Also, this episode is dedicated to the worlds of Italian grocers because I imagine that industry has been decimated by the walmartz of the world. You're not going to start telling grosser are you because I mean so many of them get murdered. And you're asking for trouble. I'm not an idiot. I'm going to reinforce the back door if I do. Okay. Who wants to go first? I think maybe Jess you should because you have this idea.

Starting point is 01:19:38 Okay, so I would like to thank from Shetland in Scotland, as you can tell. Another one that's okay to do apparently. Yeah, I think so. from Shetland in Scotland, does you can tell? Another one that's okay to do apparently. Yeah, I think so. Okay. If I've been there, so I can do it. Right, that's how it works. Okay, good.

Starting point is 01:19:54 I've been to Italy, yes. I've been to China. All right, here we go. I feel it. I think there's something, maybe it's something about, if the language is the native language is in your language. Great.

Starting point is 01:20:08 Oh, okay. Scottish is in English. So, I can speak in country. Oh, so you can't do Chinese people speaking English. Look, I don't want to get all PC gone mad over here. But let's not be dicks. That's a rule I heard someone say. So from Scotland, I would like to thank Ben Fulton,

Starting point is 01:20:25 Fulton couch. The Fulton couch murderer. He suffocates him in there. The Fulton folder. Oh, it folds him in. Oh, I love it. Because also, like the X-Men, he only uses weapons that are available in the head.

Starting point is 01:20:39 He doesn't bring it. He doesn't B-Y-O Fulton. Oh, it's weird because he does B-Y-O Fulton. He says, can you come outside? I did a loss the accident he comes falls and leaves And then I guess the placement would arrive there and shitland and say it's marta It's another marta marta So they know sis

Starting point is 01:21:00 Martha get target get target target mark. Sorry bin. I got do it that. Get target, get target, target, target, so sorry Ben. I can't do it there, my back. Am I certain I'm stupid? So it's fine for you. Card, you've covered all bases. Any Chinese in here? I'm a real melting pot. I'd like to, I think you're Ben.

Starting point is 01:21:18 We're pretty good. Thank you Ben from Shetland. Sorry about our tour for my sister. I don't know if Dave mentioned it before, but you guys are the ones ones you help make this show possible Actually giving us I'm in your support. You might I mean I mean doll up bills We you know, it's you're making it sound dirty Jess. Yeah, it is. But this is just it's just how can I thank someone else?

Starting point is 01:21:39 Yes I'd like to thank from Nashville Danielle Summers. That's great. I mean, that's not that far from a bottle. Not that far. Glass bottle.

Starting point is 01:21:55 Oh, a bourbon. Is that what you're thinking? No, some as some as B side a glass bottle. Wow. Okay. Well, okay, I reckon bourbon would have been. Yeah, Tennessee. Okay, bourbon.

Starting point is 01:22:05 Yay. Well, you did say glass bottle. Now have been a bit of a... Yeah, Tennessee. Okay, bourbon. Yay. Well, you did say glass bottle. Now I'm finally good enough for you, fucks. Ha ha. You were, I liked how you left it open to everyone's imagination with glass bottle. So the glass bottle killer. Oh!

Starting point is 01:22:17 No, I reckon. Oh, I imagine, oh, I don't, I don't, I don't, you would take a couple of strikes. Yeah, well. I reckon a, I reckon a may be better at this point, just keep it simple, the botlar. Oh, that's good. Yes, the botlar.

Starting point is 01:22:32 The botlar struck again. Okay, she's from Nashville. The botlar struck again and that. Could I thank a couple of people? Hey! I thank you, Danielle or Danielle. From Shrewsbury in Massachusetts. Oh.

Starting point is 01:22:45 Charlie Hefferman. Charlie Hefferman from Shrewsbury, Massachusetts. So it's not Hefferman. Hefferman. It's an N. It's an N. It's an N. Hefferman.

Starting point is 01:23:00 All right, the way I've got it written down here is the R and the N of forming an N. Oh, heathen, okay. Heathenon. It's the old eyes. Charlie Heathenon. He uses a cow's carcass. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:23:16 That seems complicated. I mean, they use a brand called Heathenon. A Grand Marfile's carcass. Heathenon. Yes. Heathenon. Yeah. I mean, obviously, like, famous Mafia traders putting a horse's head in the bed, but

Starting point is 01:23:29 he puts a cow's head in the bed and then proceeds to strike you over the head with the cow. With the rest of the cow. Yeah. But it is an old, an old grandma cow, so it's a little shriveled down. Putting it, putting it out of it misery. It's easier to carry around with him as he does. Thank you so much, Charlie.

Starting point is 01:23:44 Thanks, Charlie. Massachusetts. It's so good. I with him as he does. Thank you so much, Charlie. Thanks, Charlie. Massachusetts is so good. I'm not saying it right, I'm not Massachusetts. It is a tough one. Massachusetts. That's right, that's what I said. Austin, Massachusetts. Yeah, well that's right.

Starting point is 01:23:57 Yeah, that's right. Austin, Massachusetts, that's what I said. No, what's that from? It's from a road trip. I have seen. He's saying, he gives the wrong city, so he says. Is's a Tom Green Tom Green saying. Oh, that's a good Tom Green Yeah, I'm getting it now. Hmm set up He's some of you got confused between Austin and Boston. Oh

Starting point is 01:24:17 Got it And I think geography joke that yeah right at my alley the word play and geography Wow To go to last from Riverview Florida geography, that's right. Yeah, right up my alley. Put a wordplay and geography, wow. To get it lost. From Riverview Florida. That sounds powerful. I'm gonna say great. Christian Good Year. We sometimes chat to Christian.

Starting point is 01:24:34 Yes. We do the online videos once a month. Christian is often in the chance. Yes, so is Danielle. I'm pretty sure. But I would love. Good to have you on board, guys. I would assume. And in thinking Christian But I would love to have you on board guys. I would I would assume and and then thank you, Kristen I would assume he'd be the tire killer. Oh, I'm gonna say blimp. Oh blimp.

Starting point is 01:24:51 Killa's better. What does he take people up in the Blimp or does he die bomb? He died bombs in the blimp and it's like it's coming slowly Use paralyzed with fear like the hidden mode killer. Yeah Yeah, so the blimp so what do you call on's like the hidden drug killer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so the blimp. So what do you call on him then? The blimp killer. Blimp boy.

Starting point is 01:25:11 The blu-la. Blu-la. You know I love a portmanteau. Graceful, he's blu-la. Lo-la. Ghost face blu-la. That's great. Thank you, Christian.

Starting point is 01:25:19 Thanks, Christian. Thanks for nothing, Christian. Thanks for killing people with blimps. Well, I mean, it went that they didn't do that. Oh, yeah, it's a hypothetical. That's a high big that it fictional thing we're putting on to. Yeah, that's right. Sorry, Christian. We're entirely responsible for that. So now we're back to loving you again. I mean, I was the only one who got to use. All right, I'd like to thank now from Columbia South

Starting point is 01:25:41 Carolina, which is just south of one of our favorite states. North Carolina. Correct. Did you know a little fact about? I missed that. I forgot why it's my favorite state. Remind me? Well, the ex-best basketball of all time, Michael Jordan.

Starting point is 01:25:57 Oh, de-throw into Lebron, is that what you're saying? Yeah, Lebron this week has won two playoffs with buzzer-beaters. Did you see his one today? I haven't seen it yet. DECULOUS! Anyway, the X best. Oh, yeah, fucking hell. Long way around there. Yeah, he, Michael Jordan, he played college ball and he continued to wear his college shorts from his university team throughout his professional career at Chicago. And his university was, that's the key part here. You forgot to mention. Well, yeah, I'll let you say it there. The university was of course in

Starting point is 01:26:37 North Carolina. Right. Just north of Preston Jenkinson. Sorry, Preston Preston was really took a while. We left you hanging there. So Preston what's Preston's weapon of Preston? Jenkinson Preston An iron. Yes That's all these Because they pray you know pressing clothes. Yeah, it's an iron. Okay. Okay, I'm gonna go with that. It's iron's your face. I was just gonna say banana boy. That's stupid, Dave.

Starting point is 01:27:10 Dave, take the game seriously please. Banana boy, he just leaves a banana out and people slip on him and then it looks like they just fell. Oh, do you think he'd get a name for that? And they fell into an iron. Yeah. Where they were pressed in. I'm never trusting you with fruit.

Starting point is 01:27:25 Preston, Jackson. Thank you so much for your support. And finally, this week, I'd like to thank from Ventura or Ventura, California. Janay, did you say that? We're the same two times. Ventura or Ventura? No, Ventura or Ventura.

Starting point is 01:27:41 Oh. California. Edit as appropriate, Janay. Janay, Janay. Janay Colton. And she uses a cult. Oh, it's an eggult. A cult.

Starting point is 01:27:50 Like a gun or a baby horse. Or an entire cult. A cult. Or the occult. The occult. Or a yucult. Yeah, it's probiotics. Yes, probiotics.

Starting point is 01:28:01 Yeah, have these billions of probiotics. But I'm allergic to that. But I'm allergic too much for my system Thank you, Janay Colton. I hope you have your cult in the US. I don't know I'm really sorry guys for just steamrolling that game. I was so fucking good at it. You are on it You are fine today and then when some of us tried with banana boy, you just really crushed us That was awful That was very bad indeed.

Starting point is 01:28:26 No, I'm feeling depressed. Normally, there's no wrong answer. To Preston, Dave, you wrap up and then put yourself in time out, man. That's not on. I think I just saved it. I'm going to say, I was going to say time out, but you have to wrap up. So finish up and then you're you go sit in that corner for another 10 minutes. I'm going to smash a sweet buzzer be to here. Save it. All right, guys, we do have to go.

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