Two In The Think Tank - 135 - Marilyn Monroe

Episode Date: May 23, 2018

In the second of Jess' Hollywood themed reports, this week we look at the life of the iconic Marilyn Monroe! From a small town girl to the biggest star in Hollywood, we talk about her pretty terrible early life and her rise to stardom!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodCheck out our brand new website! (including MERCH!) : dogoonpod.comSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: https://dogoonpod.com/submit-a-topic/Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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And it really, really was worth hiring those 24 people to build this website. The outlay was literally millions, but we've been told that websites, that's where the cash comes in. The cash. We love cash. So anyway, this show is called DoGoOn.

You got smear with this? Yes, and I have a website. Yeah, website. DoGoOnPod.com. The way this show works is the three of us. That's you Dave, me me, Matt and Jess. We each take it in turns. It's every time.

We each take it in turns to do a topic, report on a topic, and this week it is Jess Bob Perkins' turn. Yep. I say that right. So I'm still getting my head around you all. Name? Yeah. My aura. Thanks so much for joining the show anyway. It's great to have you on you all. Name? Yeah, yeah. My aura.

Thanks so much for joining the show anyway. It's great to have you on. Two and a half years, honestly. We're losing him. I don't know. I'm fading. My old mind is fading by the week. And the way we get onto the topic of the show is the report giver.

Ask a question. Ask the question. Ask a question. And then Dave and I will try to answer it. And Tolkien's perfect difficult for me tonight, which is a bit of a worry. Right, so over to you, Jess. Yeah. And I wrote a question in honor of the website. It's the first thing I wrote. Do you call them gestions? I do Seriously, I'm so worried about him

I'm doing portmentos now. I hate myself. I love them My question is who sang the most famous rendition of Happy Birthday? Ooh Papa I think um I know it's of the song. I know the Beatles have a song called Happy Birthday, Paul McCartney. I think of the White Album. I've got a good guess here. I think I did. Are you guessing a Marilyn Manson type person? So, so close. Charles Manson. Correct!

We've already done Charles Manson correct I Think I just fuse best Pop and just here and call you best anyway. I might just sit this one out if you guys don't mind taking it away Is this a vessel happy birthday for a certain mr. President? It might just be. Is this episode about Marilyn Monroe or is it about Happy Birthday? The song that will wait for the day. It is about Marilyn Monroe. The suggestions.

It's been suggested a couple of times. One person just saying Marilyn Monroe. Two other saying Marilyn Monroe conspiracy theories. Oh, my goodness. Right. So it my goodness. Right. So it is about Marilyn Monroe and I'm going to tell a bit of her life story and then a bit of a discussion because I mean you can't do a full report on six theories, not really, not in all the details.

There's six theories. It's about that. So. Wow. Is that cool? You lost count somewhere on the way to six. Yeah. I do that often. I get bored. Like, none took no fucking good cares. Nothing matters. Everything ends. The second time I said that to not just never the No. I feel like really hyper, which feels wasted on my own episode. No, no, no, bring the magic. Marilyn Monroe, a very iconic person.

Yeah, an absolute icon. So shall I? Please do go off. Fantastic. Well, this is a great name. Gladys Pearl Baker, that's a good name. Married John Newton Baker when she was 15 and he was 26. They had two children together, Robert and Denise. She filed for divorce in 1921 and Baker took the children with him to his native Kentucky. I'm going to the point, trust me. In 1924, Gladys married her second husband, Martin Edward Mortensen. The marriage only lasted a few months before they separated and divorced a few years later in 1928. However, somewhere in between, on June 1st, 1926, Gladyskov birthed to her daughter, Norma Jean Mortensen.

I knew her name was Norma Jean because of that Elton John song. Yeah. We're in my own norm dream. Is that what he says? Yes. We're in my own norm with me. No, I'm in my own way. Right at peace. Kettle my arm don't but be no I'm gonna be Godly good

You know all those YouTube comments are like these guys are just fuckers correct stop listening. Yeah, fuck you please go away There you go sort of that The father's identity was unknown despite the name Mortensen being used on the birth certificate, but Baker being used more throughout Norma Jean's life. Gladys hadn't been prepared for a child mentally or financially. Norma Jean was placed in the care of foster parents, Albert and Ida Bolander. Not a lot of ugly names so far. Ida. Are you kidding me? It's beautiful. Are you the Bernice? Yeah.

I mean, I'd say ugly, but also beautiful. Bernice has sister's name. And... Bernice is my sister. You can call me Matt. Please. Bernice is my sister. What about Norma?

Norma's good. Norma's good. Yeah. The person that my parents bought their current house, I'm pretty sure her What about Norma? Norma's good. Norma. The person that my parents bought their current house, I'm pretty sure her name was Norma. Just a little fuck that girl. They trusted this woman? Now people are going to fly to my parents' life. I quite like names that are boring, man names that have been feminized.

Like Norma. Glender. Burn, Bernie, Bernice. Matt, Matilda. Matilda's cute. No, I like Matilda. They've upgraded the overlay. Yeah, Matt's a bit shit.

Tony, Tonya. I've never got Tony. Never got Tony's a name. Never got Tony. Never appealed got Tony's a name. Never. Never appealed. Tony's a great name. I've never understood Tony's name. Tony.

I'll tell you all about every name of said it's great. Is there a feminine of Gary? Cassinda. Cassinda beautiful. That's a beautiful name. That's a beautiful name. No, I don't know. I guess not. What would you call it?

Um, garinda. Perfect. What about Gary? Oh, just recycling. I'm having to say double A. Oh, Gary. Oh no, not like, Bill, like Marie. Oh, Gary. No, but when, because we wouldn't say it like that, we'd say like, Gary. Oh no, not what you'd know. Billite Marie. Gary.

No, but when, because we wouldn't say it like that, we'd say it like, gray and that's yuck. Yeah, and that's what these people want. They want horrible names. I agree. I mean, my name's Dave. So, yeah, we got some pretty gross, no goods. Yeah, we can judge.

Dave. Dave. Dave. Honestly, we can judge Dave Dave Dave Honestly, when I think about myself, I'm like, I'm not a Dave. How did this happen? What do you think you are? normal I'm a landlady Okay, you're old Dave Am I a Dave? It just doesn't Please take your jacket off Eddie Latter Am I a joke? It just doesn't. Please take your jacket off any louder.

I'm just falling you down jacket. I mean it's really loud and really fucking hot. Wow. I'm just gonna take my scarf off now. What's trying to do it so quietly? It's so fucking loud. And I'm leaving it all in. Anyway, Matt, do you want to remove any items or clothing?

This is strip potting. Oh, strip potting. I want to, uh, the list is to know that I have a new jacket. And it is reversible to jackets in one. That's nice. It's still one jacket. It's just two color options.

Two color options in one. What's the other color? You got a beige or a blue? Well, you're going to wear the beige, ever, are you? No, it looks actually really good. It looks so good. No, it doesn't. Anyway, can I...

I'm sad that I have to tell myself to go on here. Please go. Thank you so much. I've got two sentences in. So Norm has been born. She's a Mortensen by name, but not Mortensen. A Baker by... Life.

Right, but she's been adopted by... What are the other people? She's just living in a foster care. Alibber and Ida Bollander. Alib and Ida. Alib and Ida. Ida, not a fan of. Ida is fine. I've taken all back. Who am I to fucking judge? I hate myself now. Shut up. I love every name we've heard so far. Okay. Well, Gladys actually lived with Ida and Alib as well. So like, they're looking after her kid and a fostering her, but she's also living with

them for a little while. And she's, they were in this rural town called Hawthorn, and she would commute to LA for work and eventually she ended up moving back to the city because of work in 1927 because the commute was too long. Although I looked it up and it's like 20 minutes, but that's today probably was a little bit different. Yeah, when you're traveling by halls in car. In the 20s. Yeah. Anyway. Which I imagine she was not. She still visited her daughter on weekends and she take her to the cinemas or they'd go sightseeing and Albert and I actually they did want to adopt Norma Jean but by 1933 Gladys was secure enough to support her young daughter and she bought a small

house in Hollywood for them to live in. However, the next year in 1934, Gladys had a mental breakdown and was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. And after several months, she was committed to the Metropolitan State Hospital, which still exists today, and it's a public hospital for the mentally ill. And she spent the rest of her life in and out of hospitals and had minimal contact with her daughter from then on. So really so she was supposed to have no life anymore. No, and also I read that Norma Jean didn't know she had a sister, she had a brother and a sister, her brother died relatively young, I believe,

but she didn't know, she had a sister, she was about 12 years old or something and only met her much later in life. So yeah, there's just her and her mum. And then her mum was in hospital. So at the age of seven, Norma Jane became a ward of the state. And her mother's friend Grace McKee got out took responsibility over her and her mother's affairs. And over the next few years, she moved around a lot,

living with different foster families and moving to different schools. Unfortunately, she didn't have a good experience in foster care, and she was sexually abused during her time, living with the Atkinson family. She was drew, became really shy, even more shy, and she developed a stutter, and she briefly stayed with Grace and her husband Irwin Doc. His nickname was Doc Goddard. Doc Goddard. Doc Goddard. Doc Goddard.

As well as two other families. Before Grace ended up placing her in Los Angeles orphan home in Hollywood in September of 1935. Holy shit. Did the Atkinsons ever get brought to justice? I don't think so. And well, that's where it gets really fucked because hang on a sec.

So eventually Grace became a legal guardian. After the staff at the orphanage had the staggering realization that perhaps this child might prefer to live in a family home instead of an orphanage. So gross. That about her, but no one else. Yeah, they're like, I just don't feel like she fits in at this orphanage. So, they're not about her, but no one else. Yeah, they're like, I just don't feel like she fits in at this orphanage. Have you seen Annie? Oh, no, that was a great laugh, wasn't it? Hard knock-lives.

We'll go out of heart, which I think means real fun time. Real fun time. So in early 1937, she went to live with Grace and Doc, and this day only lasted a few months because she was sexually abused by Doc. Oh, no, don't make me like a guy's name and fun at his fuck. I wasn't gonna let you go too far into the name Doc. Matt was like loving Doc. You weren't loving Doc. Fuck.

You're a bad judge. See, even a good name can be a bad person. Let that be a lesson. I've learned something you today. So I'm trying to move past this fucked stuff. But again, she was moved around a lot. Eventually, she settled with Grace's elderly aunt, Anna Atchinson Loa. And she was enrolled in Emerson Junior High School. And was an overall mediocre student, but excellent in writing. And she got involved in the school newspaper.

And she had a good few years. However, as Anna was elderly and so to suffer deteriorating health, but excellent in writing and she got involved in the school newspaper and she had a good few years However, as I was elderly and so to suffer deteriorating health, Noma moved back with grace and doc again Oh no a couple years after leaving their house That doesn't make any sense Why? Why did she choose to or what are they made of? It's not her choice Yeah, I was gonna say

That's fucked How old is she at this point? Um, 38. Not. She was, uh, I'm doing math, 12. Oh my god. 12 when she's back because she just finished junior high. Oh, what a nightmare.

Imagine, oh, fucking hell. Most is a little bit older because she was only back with him for around a year, and in 1942, Doc was relocated to West Virginia for work. But because of the Californian child protection laws, which didn't allow a child to be removed from the state, she couldn't go with them, which is probably like a blessing, but also meant that she'd probably have to go back to the orphanage.

Sounds like that's better. Yeah, but to avoid this this just after a 16th birthday She married the 21 year old next door neighbor James Doherty and she dropped out of school and became a housewife Which is probably I mean what a what a it's you're either a child in an orphanage or a married housewife. Yeah And she said Marriage didn't make me sad, but it didn't make me happy either. My husband and I hardly spoke to each other.

This wasn't because we were angry, we just had nothing to say. I was dying of boredom. Oh my God. Her husband, James, enlisted in the merchant marines and shipped out to the Pacific in 1944. And Norma Jean lived with his parents and got a job at Radioplane Munitions Factory to earn her own income. And this is where things really started to happen for all normal gene. Okay, good.

We need a bit of someone to click on to here. Yeah, that's it. Because you know, she was bored. She was a, I imagine when a housewife in a time where there wasn't anything else, which I think this time was, there's no internet. There was no Netflix, there was no, et cetera, is, you know what I mean? Yeah. Far out.

What do you do? What do you do? Well, I mean, a lot of it. She probably didn't even have an eight screen cinemaplex in the nearing town, the nearing town, which is what I call the nearby town. The nearing town. Yeah.

It's an olden days town. Yeah, yeah. All right, right. So later in that year, photographer named David Conneva, with sent to the factory she was working out to shoot some morale-boosting photos of the female workers, including taking a few photos of Norma Jean. Although her photos weren't used, she quit working at the factory in January of 1945 and began modeling for her and his photographer friends. Why, she didn't get picked.

She didn't get picked. She's like, obviously, somebody was like, you got what it takes, thoughts, and she was like, I do. She moved out of her in-laws home, much to their disapproval, and she signed a contract with Blue Book Model Agency. She had naturally brunette curly hair, do you know that? Yeah. Okay. I don't think I need that. There you go. Would she straightened, did she dyed blonde? I think it would gain her more modeling work. Which is why I straightened and dyed my hair blonde.

Oh, we know. I did not get much modeling works. I've gone back to El Natural. Oh, and I have picked up a lot of up modeling work since. That's, that's your hair. That's not a choice. Yeah. Wow.

Okay. Do you think, wait, you thought someone was going to choose this? I thought that was like a statement piece, you know? Yeah, it's an art piece, it is. I thought you were being edgy. I thought it was a hat. Ha, ha, ha. Dave wakes up in the morning and he's got six of the same ones there,

ready to go. He's like, which one will I wear today? We'll better put on the Thursday. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Dave, don't give away that we're recording this on a Thursday. Oh, I thought it was a 1 in 7 chance. True. She was hard working and she was very ambitious.

And by early the next year, she appeared on 33 magazine covers for publications. Bloody hell. That seems like a lot. That's heaps, isn't it? A kill for one cover. What kind of magazine covers? Just all sorts of different things, because she was more of a, her figure

suited a pin-up style, more so than like fashion photography so I think she was in quite a lot of ads and men's magazines and stuff like that. Men's magazines. Yeah, she did like, she did do nudes later, but they weren't like playboy magazines. It was just like, she's just... Yeah, remember that we talked about, she... do nudes later, but they weren't playboy magazines. It was just like, it's amazing.

Yeah, remember that we talked about it. She was the first. But yeah, against her. He bought the picture. Yeah, he was a real dog. But it kind of worked in her favor. And I'll talk about that a little bit later, Sousel. The owner of the modeling agency.

On her if she did like dog and gun magazine. Totally. Turtle and hound magazine. Other things matched with dogs. Other and pop. Motor magazine. Motor and car and car and beagle monthly. Car and beagle monthly, yes.

That was when magazines wrote their height. So you could any niche. They picked two, put them together, and you could find it. So if you're into motorcycles, but you also collect feathers. Yes. Motorcycle feather monthly. Wow. It existed for seven months.

For a little while it was weekly, one week, and then it went off to back for several going to have to back up a little bit. Yeah, I do not have enough content for another week. Monthly, quarterly, and then once a century. We are due for a new issue in about four years' time. It's very exciting. Greg's, he's been able to feather one box so far, which made the cover. And every other page.

It looks incredible to be fair. But yeah, that is happening slower than we were hoping. Come on Greg. Turns out you can't put feathers in or around the exhaust. They will set a light. Yeah. Which we learnt the hard way. But that is fascinating.

That's publishing. You can just add some shit on fire. That's publishing. Baby. Rule number one. Put that on a T-shirt. Shit on fire. The owner of the modely agency. The feathers were, they had been lit first.

So we probably should have figured it out. We also shouldn't have been lighting them on fire before putting them. After dipping them in gasoline. Especially after we dipped them in gasoline. Yes, that was. Looking back. Not at least. It's a lane, Dave.

That's international language. Gasoline. Yeah, a lane, Dave. That's international language. Gasoline. Yeah, a bit of liquid petroleum gas. A bit of our kerosene. Hey, Jess, do go on. Alrighty. The owner of the modeling agency who's called Emeline Snavely. Okay, we're back in with a good name here.

Emeline Snavely. Emeline Emeline Emeline Emeline. Good morning, Mrs. S. Emily. Emily. Emily is fantastic. Emily. Good morning, Mrs. Snively. Snively. She was made up and good. She was impressed with Norma Jean's work ethic and her success and arranged for her to have a meeting with an acting agency.

Paramount Pictures said, and no thank you. But she met with an executive from 20th Century Fox and again, they weren't super impressed but they decided to give her a standard six month contract to avoid her signing with their rifle. They're like, yeah, I'll just, I mean, just to keep her on our books. I tell you what, Marilyn Monroe was a 20th century Fox. Matt. Matt.

It's also a person. I thought she was a real paramount picture. Hang on. Doesn't work so well. I thought she was a real paramount picture. Hang on. Doesn't work so well. Oh boy. I thought she was a real spotlight entertainment. I thought she was a real sit-ooboo sit.

Good dog. She was a real good dog. Oh hang on. Oh no. So she and Ben Lyon, who was the executive from 20th Century Fox that she'd met with, chose the stage name Marilyn Monroe. Oh. It's an absolute belter of an act.

It's a good name. And I can't tell you now if that's because it's her name and I know her and she's such a culture icon that I think of that as cool, but it just, it sounds cool. It does sound good. And the first day Marilyn was chosen by Ben Lyon, who thought Norma reminded him of Marilyn Miller, who was a Broadway star in the 20s and 30s, just kind of cool.

And Monroe chose, was chosen by Norma because that was her mother's maiden name. Nice and easy one there. Oh, I didn't realize that. That's cool. So Marilyn Monroe. And that later that year in 1946, she. Oh, I didn't realize that. That's cool. So Marilyn Monroe. And later that year in 1946, she divorced James, because he didn't support her having a career.

So she was like, pace. Hit the road, James. Yeah. It was only great. Duval's is great. They also had nothing in common. Yeah. Wasn't like they had the best marriage ever, and you didn't support her.

This is the one that was supposed to be the best marriage and he wasn't supportive. I think that's probably enough crosses on James. Yeah, I think so too. I think so. I think so. I think so, Jimmy Boy. I think they got to try and to work it out and canceling. Directing?

Absolutely, I do not agree. I do not think that at all. It lasts too long to not fight for bad relationships. Agreed. I mean we've got so much time. That's why I've been miserable for 15 years now. Yeah, you're marriage is terrible, but I don't think you should leave it. No, I never will. I'll die I'm happy. It was a beautiful ceremony. Thank you. Yeah. I imagine. The first few months of her contract were less about actual acting roles and more focused

on acting, singing, and dancing lessons. What sort of dance is doing? Was she giving them or taking them? Taking them. Makes sense. And Matt, you were around in the 40s. What sort of... I was a song and dance man, through those years.

What kind of dance moves much should we have been learning? I was doing the Charleston back then. I was doing the Sugar Shredder now. I was doing the Frederson stair. Oh, I thought... What about the... Is it true you invented that one? Yeah, back then I was known as Greg Frederson.

Oh. And I used to walk up and down stairs every day. And you know, one thing led to an other. I'm like, hang on. Hang on. Oh, and I used to walk up and downstairs every day and you know one thing led to another I'm like hang on hang on Oh, yeah, the rest as they say the Cincinnati Razor bezel. Oh the Razor bezels there Plenty of great moves came out of Cincinnati in those years of Cincinnati shuffle Cincinnati sit and squeal Yeah, the list of the list does go on sitting on. I didn't know this was the list does go on.

What he's sitting on. I'm big. I used to ride a pig around the dance floor. Yeah, it was a pig ride, to be honest. He's usually stood up by calling it a dance, but really it was an old-fashioned pig riding. Sit and squeal. So anyway, we could get our pigs into the dance houses,

which is what we used to call nightclubs. I'm learning so much about your life. And history. Since the Nadi history. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, are these the exact dance moves that Marilyn was being taught? That's word for word while I've listed here.

No point in rehashing then. Oh, I shan't. Ha ha ha. Her first two film roles consisted of nine lines of dialogue as a waitress in the drama Dangerous Years, which was in 1947, and a one-line appearance in the comedy, this is so good. Scutter-hoo! Scutter-hey!

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Scullahoo. Scullahoo. That makes even less sense, I'm here. That makes no sense at all, but I love it. Well, it's one of the moves we were doing back in Cincinnati. Yeah, the scullahoo. It's an Adi- And it's an Adi-

And it's an Adi- And it's an Adi- And it's an Adi- And it's an Adi- And it's an Adi- And it's an Adi- And it's an Adi's. He's got a who. And it won. And it won, he's got a hey. It was a Colour response dance move. Scooby-o-bee, Scooby-o-hoo. But actually, Scooby-o-hoo, you say Scooby-o-hey, Scooby-o-hoo. Scooby-o-hey, Scooby-o-hoo. Scooby-o-hey. It was not.

Yeah. It won eight Academy Awards. You guys would have loved the dance houses back then. Dance houses. That sound like so much fun. I've never liked nightclub, but I love dance houses. Yeah, I love it.

You just don't find out many good dance houses these days. Oh. So yeah, those were her minor roles in that sort of first few months. The studio had enrolled her in the actors laboratory theater. Have you heard of it at a role day? No, I actually haven't. It's an acting school teaching the techniques

of the group theory. Does group theory ring a bell? No, it does not. These things you learn about you remember from Travis school. In drama school. Well, one particular name here will definitely ring a bell. A theater collective based in New York City and formed in 1931 by Harold, Clermann, Cheryl Crawford and Lee Strasberg. Oh, yes. The Stravesburg method.

That was fucking on the roof. He had a lot of theories about conceiving. Yeah, some people like Edel-Emmen if you have a boy. He's like, fuck on the roof. Get up on that roof. Tal roof, boy, Colabond, slipping out onto the ground and hurting your butt. That's what he always used to say. It wasn't as catchy, but it was accurate. And that's all there is to know about acting. And Lee Strasbourg. Did you see the method? No, who's the method going?

That's Stana's love ski. Stana's love ski. All the Strasbourg, you just had a famous school that's still going? And the actor studio? Ah, welcome to the actor studio. The actor studio was Strasbourg. Strasbourg was kind of method as well, wasn't he?

Yeah, I mean, a lot of those people sort of... I think I talk about it a little bit later where he was teaching. He's pretty method, I mean a lot of those people sort of, uh, I think I talk about it a little bit later where he was teaching. He's, he's, he's pretty method, I think. But yeah, like the king, the method goes Russian, Stanislavski. Right. Yes, I feel like, I feel like I, um, verified a question on the chase about this.

Oh, and I think maybe he, like, did he, he came from that school, but it's such a vague memory. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Well, I think the thing with a lot of theater practitioners is like there's, I think there's overlapping, you could say, you know? Yeah, because Stanislavski's like over 100 years ago. Right.

So then other people take things from him, but maybe combine it with something else or their own theories or. Similar to the idea of a duck and goose, monthly magazine. They took the idea of a duck, right? of duck and goose monthly magazine. They took the idea of a duck, right? And then they said, where can we, where can we bring this into the 20th century? What's a more fashionable animal?

And then someone said the immortal sentence, got a goose, got a hit. What? What? What? What? What? That old publishing cliche. And I know, like a lot of people don't know where that originated from, but that was actually the context.

So that was, um, Sanosovsky. Yes. Wow. He really is a genius. He's so influential. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

When I, when I was in year 12, they did a creative art award at the end of the year. And somebody won for art, like Studio Art. Visual art. Visual art, thank you, music and drama. And I won for drama. Thank you so much. Please hold your applause.

I had a funny feeling this story was going to a humble breath. And did you also get the music and the art? No. I will not hold the applause. That is a humble breath. And did you also get the music and the art? No. I will not hold the applause. That is applause worthy. Because I only got one. Oh, well, withdrawn applause. I said it, no.

Yeah, I'm confused. Did you not get the trip teacher of a war? No, I didn't get the trip teacher of awards. OK, so why are we talking about this? Because, sorry, sorry. There's a real set up there. Because, we were single threat. That was a single threat.

And now I'm still forever a single threat. We got a single threat. I can do one thing at a time. Anyway, my prize was a book by Lee Strasbourg. Okay, we got there. Fuck it now. He's the go- come up with jeans, isn't he? Yes. Yeah, believe I Strasbourg. Okay, we got there. Fuck it out. He's the guy come up with James, isn't he? Yes. Yeah, believe my Strasbourg. He did so much. God, he was a busy guy. Deserves his own episode. Deserves his own book, which just has.

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and financial aid is available to qualified students, including the GI Bill. Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. Her Maryland's contract with 20th Century was not renewed in August of 1947. It was a six months contract there, and you'd at once, and then the second time it came around for a new, they're like, nah, my good. So she returned to mostly modeling work, but she was determined to make it.

She's gonna make it in Hollywood. And she continued at the actors lab. This is one of my favorite sentences that I already, she became a friend and occasional sex partner of Fox executive Joseph M. Schenk. I just like occasional sex partner. Yeah, occasional sex partner. I kind of like that.

That's nice, anyway. It's nice. I also love people who end up making it who get a big rejection like that. Yes, me too. And then go, I want this because I reckon a lot of people would never even made it as far as she did. But after that, they're like, yeah, all right, you're probably right. Maybe I don't have it. I had nine lines in Shabu Shabao. My career is clearly peaked. Yeah, I agree. I love hearing that. And I mean, I think that's what makes those people, the successes that they are. Same with like Disney, we're getting rejected however many

times for a loan and same with J.K. Roll and getting rejected by so many publishers and just keep going. Yes. Eventually, podcasting or pay off. Yeah. Yeah. Podcasting to the top, baby. We're going to make it in Hollywood. So she's a friend and occasional sex partner. Of shank, great name. Shank. Even better. Yeah. I like it more. Occasionally shanked. And he persuaded his friend Harry Conn,

the head executive of Columbia Pictures, to sign her, which he did, in March of 1948. So she signed to someone else now. She began working with the studio's head drama coach, Natasha Lightes, who would remain her mentor until 1955, so it's like seven years. Her only film at the studio was a low-budget musical ladies of the chorus, in which she had her first starring role as a chorus girl who was courted by a wealthy man. During the production she began to

affair with her vocal coach Fred Carga who paid for her to have her slight overbite corrected. There's a few sort of instances throughout her life where like people just pay for her to have some sort of... That's exciting. Yeah. A little bit weird. Despite the starring role and a subsequent screen twist for the lead role in Born Yesterday, her contract was not renewed again. But the film, ladies of the chorus, was released in October and was not successful.

Oh, right, because you said but there. And I was like, here we go. But things were looking up when the film bombed. Because that meant she was even more rock bottom. And there's only one way up from there, unless another film bombed. Drilling into the ground. Next film was called Drilling.

After she left Colombia in September of 1948, so again, that's only about six months, she became the protege of Johnny Hyde, who was a vice president of the William Morris Agency, and Hyde represented her and their relationship soon became sexual, although she refused his proposals of marriage. How occasionally? Occasionally. Well, I mean, he's proposing. I can't. Proposals is like... Proposals. Take a hint, bro. I'm thinking dozens.

Yeah. Four times a day. Come on. It does feel like that's how it used to be. Old school was like man wearing women down until marriage. Come on now. Marry me. I really don't want to thank you.

Gone. Marry me. Come on. Double day, yeah. It'll be fun. Do it. Marry me. Yeah. Gone marry me Double day, yeah, it'll be fun do it Mary That's my approach and then a guy comes in and goes you heard the lady she said no how about me you want to marry me?

Fuck off all of you To advancement rose career he paid for a silicon prosthesis to be implanted in her jaw and also for a rhinoplasty, a nose job. I did not know that. And arranged a bit part in the marks brother. So how good is a chin and nose? How good is a chin job in the 40s? Chin job. That's sexy. Oh, just a chin job. You're right. The actors were doing that back then. Yeah, really? I hate the idea of old school medicine and surgery. Oh, I can't help it.

Imagine, yeah, early. I think it's got to start somewhere, but. I read something else that she had a hairline pushed back. And I don't understand how that works. I didn't know that was an option. I think it started shaving at the front. I don't know. Or stretching the skin back.

No, I'm not sure how they would have done it. I wanted to click on that link and then I was like, Is that shaving at the front? I don't know. Or stretching the skin back? No, I'm not sure how they would have done it. I wanted to click on that link and then I was like, I don't know. Not an interesting thing to do as well. We very few people would be after that, I'd say. It's a real niche doctor. So a few things are kind of happening for her,

but her real breakthrough years began in 1950. She appeared in six films that were released in that year. It's plenty, hell. Yeah. She had a minor appearance in John Houston's crime film, The Ash Fault Jungle, Asphalt, in which she played. I just didn't want to hear. You thought it was short funny. We're in a different country. Is that so Americans say asphalt? Asphalt.

We do put an S in there, a H in there that doesn't. Oh, there's not an H in there. We spell it differently. I don't know. This is just ASPHLT. Wait, no, I think we've got an H in there. Okay, this is asphalt jungle. Concrete jungle wedrons are made of.

There's nothing you can't do. But John Husson, he's a very famous director. There's a lot of very famous directors that come up in her lifetime. But she's starting to make it, right? Yeah. On several Academy Awards. So in that movie, she plays the young mistress of a criminal. And although she's only on screen for five minutes,

she gained a lot of attention for her performance. Five minutes worth of attention? Well, she probably had more than nine lines, so that's good. Oh. Following her success in those roles, hired, who's Johnny Hyde, who's representing her, negotiated the seven-year contract with 20th Century Fox in December of 1950, the people who had not renewed her contract two years. Right, I think I have a seven-year deal. Seven-year deal.

That sounds big. And in 1951 she had supporting roles in four-low budget films but started to gain a lot more visibility. So she's not like the leading lady yet, but everything that she is doing people are like, whoa. That's it. Yeah, because I don't know if I've ever seen one of her movies. I just, for some reason I was a shim she wasn't a very good actor, but you're sort of saying she was... I think, I think she's good. There's a conflicting kind of arguments. Some people actually can't act for shit. Others are like, she's really under-appreciated. I think she's quite good. She really steals the screen. Yeah, so we'll just have a presence. Yes, that's what it sounds like. If you people were talking about you from a five-minute spot, that's obviously pretty good. Yeah, exactly. And it's not just because she's good-looking. It's the presence that she has and back in these days

As this is what they call like the studio system or something right so back then you'd sign or studio and then you you'd make movies Exclusively for them. That's right. That's it. Yeah, and it's very different now. Am I right? Yeah, and she's partly to do with that. Oh, yeah So her popularity with audiences was also growing. She received several thousand letters of fan mail a week. God damn. Look at Roddy back to that. Mm. Which I think she did.

I struggled to keep up with our emails in a timely manner. She'd be like, Ringo, and the city's still just working his way through 30 years later. It was cute that he would do it. In a private life, Monroe was now in a relationship with director, Elliot Cazin, who I mentioned in my report about Natalie Wood. He's regarded as one of the most influential directors in Broadway and Hollywood history.

So she became a top-build actress in the second year of the Fox contract and gossip columnist. I mean, we don't have as many of those anymore, either. Right, gossip columnists. Gossip columnists. Florable, florabell mure. Come on. That's a great name. That's got Angela Bishop beat by quite a distance.

Yeah, fuck off Angela Bishop. She named her the It Girl of 1952. This is another one of my favorite things. And Heter Hopper described her as the Cheesecake Queen turned box office smash. Cheesecake. What does that mean? It's just like a term for pin-up. Cheesecake Queen.

Cheesecake pictures were like pin-ups. Inside Cheesecake boxes they used to have... I don't know. I don't think there's anything to do with it. Cheesecake. But you also skipped over that lady's name, that was amazing. Header Hopper.

Header Hopper. That's a name? Header Hopper. Header Hopper is so good. I, and my name's Dave. And I'm not saying heather with a weird accent there. It's Header. Header.

Header. Which is that's a German name. Hopper. It's also a soccer move. It's a move. Hahaha. It was a sex move. Ah.

It's also a thing at the top of a document. Yeah. The opposite of a footer. What a versatile name. You guys are talking about Hopper, right? Yeah. Hopper's the name of a big bin. And a big Dennis.

It's also a colloquial for putting your finger in someone's butt. Doing a hopper. Hopper Wate. Hopper Wate. I just got that. Who's the wrong, the wrong, the wrong, the wrong replayer who did that. Yeah.

I got busted man. It was his tactic. That was his tactic to put the opposition on. He would, he would put the opposition on. He would finger the opposition buts. Just get a little thumb in there. And he got a lot of trouble for that. But probably not enough trouble for that.

It was very effective. Yeah. There's a different time, wasn't it? In February, she was named the best young box office personality by the Foreign Press Association of Hollywood and began a highly publicized romance with the retired New York Yankee Joe Demagio, who was one of the most famous sports personalities

of the time. The following month, the scandal broke when she revealed in an interview that during 1949 she'd posed for nude pictures, which were featured in calendars. Now, 20th century folks had actually learned to the photograph some weeks earlier, and to contain the potential disastrous effect on her career, the studio and Monroe had decided

to talk about them openly while stressing that she'd only posed for the photos because she was in a dire financial situation. The strategy succeeded in getting her public sympathy and increased interest in her films, and the following month, she was featured on the cover of Life as the talk of Hollywood. How fucking good is that? It's the 1950s PR word. Turning it, yeah. Good spin. And the following month she was featured on the cover of Life as the talk of Hollywood. Wow. How fucking good is that? It's the 1950s PR work. Turning it, yeah.

Good spin. Good spin. I would have been like just saying, because you've got a new chin now. No one will know. Yeah, definitely. Check that out. That chin is at least 1.5 inches. And she used different names in modeling as well.

She would be like, Jean something or, yeah, she used a few different names, so she could have been like, not me. But I think that's amazing that it worked and there's another time later as well where she definitely like... she really spends it. She's a bit of a spin queen. She didn't want to just be typecast so and she wanted to show her acting range. So in the summer of 1952 she appeared in two commercially successful dramas. The first was Fritz Lang's Clash by Night for which she was loaned to RKO Studios and played a fish canary worker. So that's the thing where you were talking about before, like they, she's supposed to only make movies for Fox, but they released her.

So they would have paid her a fee to rent her basically. And critics were really complimentary of her performance. The second film was the thriller Don't Bother To Knock, in which she starred as a mentally disturbed babysitter, which was a good test of her abilities. But it got mixed reviews, but it was still like, you know, something a bit different. Don't bother to knock. What do you reckon that's about? She's a babysitter, a bit disturbed. What's the story? Don't bother an anach, because you're gonna get fucked up by the way.

Oh, I was just thinking someone's on the loo. You know, and you do like a, ooh, I'm in here. Yeah, don't bother. Occupied. Don't bother. Don't bother, just go straight in. Okay.

That's what I took away from it. And what do you see that being like a 90 minute feature? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that, it's one scene. It's just a conversation they have about, like, don't worry knocking. I'm not, I don't, I'm not embarrassed in front of you. Just peep between the legs.

Peep between the legs. Is that a one shot, one shot 90 minute feature? Yeah, well, you don't want to. Very gripping. Now that's Stennis Lopski. He does not miss. He just, yeah, miss. Yeah, it's a theater of cruelty. It's not all about... Okay. The other three movies she featured in that year were back to the stereotypes. In We're Not Married, her starring role as a beauty pageant contestant was created solely

to present Marilyn in two bathing suits, according to one of its writers. Again, 90 minutes. In Howard Hawkes' money monkey business, in which she featured opposite Kerry Grant, she played a secretary who is dumb, childish, blonde, innocently unaware of the havoc her sexiness causes around her. She accidentally wears two bathing suits. At the same time, it looks ridiculous. But sexy. It's sexy ridiculous.

I feel like I've heard of that one. Is that a biggest one? Monkey business, I think so, yeah. Well, obviously, yeah, her and Carrie Grants are pretty big combo. And in her final film of the year, which is because, like, oh, Henry's full house, she had a minor role as a sex worker.

So she really, she wanted to do different things and push herself and show that she wasn't just blonde and pretty. And she got her chance with a couple and then like, okay, back to being blonde and pretty. She gained her reputation for being difficult on film sets as well, the difficulties worse and as her career progressed. She was often late or didn't show up at all. She'd never remember the lines and would demand several retakes before she was satisfied with her performance. That sounds very annoying. She also was very dependent on her acting coaches and that usually irritated directors.

And her problems have been attributed to a combination of perfectionism, low self-esteem and stage fright. And also just like, I think it sort of comes down to as well. Like when she would never happen when she was modeling, because I think you can be more spontaneous with that. But when somebody, like, you've got to do something the exact right way, it can be quite difficult. And then if you feel kind of vulnerable, because you can't do it properly, of course you're going to then be scared. Anyway. It takes a good director.

And obviously they just went no fucking good. Am I right? 1923 saw her emerge as a major sex symbol and one of Hollywood's most bankable performers. And I was gonna say bankable but I just started. I was gonna say spankable. Yeah. Both gross to be honest. Yeah, but I just started. I was going to say spankable. Yeah. Both gross, to be honest.

Yeah, I don't like either of them. Yep, but you put it out there. No, no, I was saying I'd decided not to. But you said it, though, didn't you? No, no, no, that I was saying that that is something I did not say. I was going to say bonkable. Bonkable. So I didn't.

So it really should be awarded and applauded for not saying it. Thank you. Appreciate that, Dave. Appreciate that day. That's a great white man. When... When Niagara was released in January of 1953, women's clubs protested the film and said it was immoral, but the movie proved popular with audiences and grossed $6 million at the box office. So she plays like a femme for Tarls, a few scenes where she's not even, she's just wearing like a sheet or there's just a towel covering it.

She's playing it, ghost. She's playing it. Oh, spooky. Actually, ghost. Yeah, mother scripts were not into that. Not into it. They're like, not like paranormal activity. Yeah, my kid is scared. Niagara made Monroe a sex symbol and it established her look. She'd worked with this makeup artist

to really get her look right. Right. The towel look. The towel look. It's wearing a towel. That was a striking look. And like, nobody else was doing it. No one asked her to access to that many towels.

She had dozens. So many towels. All right dozens. So many towels. All right. I wear a towel after the shower. That's... Oh my God, Monroe! She influenced your life. Wow, is that where that came from? We're still doing it. Have very Monroe. Say that next. So do you tie it up around your chest? Yeah, just above the nips. Yeah, but nothing down below. Nothing down below Nothing You got a small towel Very small towels It goes through my nipples almost down to my hips

Almost dude It's an awful look. I don't know what I have possessed with it I love it though I saw you a bar mat Just wrapped around I've often wondered what your legs are so wet. Yeah, I never dry Why bother always dripping When they're about a job jump back in the shower

I made shells a day It's exhausting Just what dry legs they're constantly all pruning. Yeah I just want dry legs. They're constantly all pruny. Yeah. If only there was something I could do about it. You got trench legs. But I'm very stubborn. For being wetdled. You got trench legs. Oh, fuck. Okay.

Her second film, so Niagara made her a sex symbol and established her look. Wet. Wet in an Italian. The second film of the year was the satirical musical, musical comedy, gentleman preferred blondes. And that established her screen persona as a dumb blonde. And her third movie of the year was called How to Marry a Millionaire. Oh, that's a couple of big ones.

Sounds more like a doco for me. The dream. You were, yeah, what that film at about the end. I was like, I didn't teach me anything. I've learned nothing. Where is one fine of millionaire? That's what the YouTube comments say. I watched this whole fucking thing and didn't learn a thing.

It was just people yammering. Like, they were acting something out. And I'm still single. WTF won my money back. This like I subbed and then unsubbed within minutes. WTF, where's the fiance? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha in the role of a naive model who teams up with their friends to find rich husbands, probably could have figured that one out. I mean, it just sounds like a hit. Monroe's position as a leading sex symbol was confirmed in December of 1953 when Hugh

Hephner featured her on the cover and a centrefold in the first issue of Playboy. Apparently she had posed for that photo about five years earlier, been paid 50 bucks for it, he bought it for 500. Amazing. Still, it for 500. Amazing. Still, yeah, jeez. Although she'd now become one of 20th century Fox biggest stars, her contract had not changed since 1950, meaning she was paid far less than other stars

of her stature and could not choose her projects or co-workers. She was also tired of being tight cast. And when she refused to begin shooting yet another musical comedy, a film version of the girl in the pink tights Which was to co-star Frank Sinatra? So she refused the studio suspended her on January 4th, 1954. Well, you don't want to work? Well, you're not gonna work This is amazing the suspension was front page news and Marilyn went into damage control mode to help counter any negative press and damage her reputation

10 days after her suspension she endured Joe Demagio whose relationship had been had received a lot of media attention in the two years prior were married 10 days later So it's like okay, all right. You want to put some bad press in there about me? Well, I'm gonna have a famous wedding. So that went fucking nuts. Then she went to Korea where she performed songs from her films as part of a USO show for over 60,000 US Marines over a four day period. And after she returned to Hollywood in February, she was awarded Photo Play's most popular female star prize. So, finally, enough, she reached a settlement with the studio in March.

This is literally three months later. She reaches a settlement with them, which includes new contract to be made later in the year and a starring role in the film version of the Broadway play the seven-year itch, and she was going to receive a bonus of $100,000. Great, she's pretty damn good at that. She's a genius. That's amazing. So in September of that year, she began filming the Seven Year Itch in which she starred opposite Tom Yule as a woman who became the object of her married neighbor's sexual fantasies. The film was shot in Hollywood, but the studio decided to generate advanced publicity by staging

the filming of a scene on Lexington Avenue in Manhattan. In the shoot, Monroe was standing on a subway grate with the air blowing up a skirt of her white dress, which became one of the most famous scenes of her career. The shoot lasted several hours, attracted a crowd of nearly 2,000 people, and it placed her on international front pages, and it also marked the end of her marriage to Demagio who was furious about the publicity stunt. Wait, what? He hated hot air. He was like, you know I hate hot air. And that hot air is coming off from the sewer.

Am I right to think that? He was just stink air coming up. It's a very clean man. Stink air. Is that what it is? Is that what you call farts? No, I don't call them anything. I don't, I don't, I don't acknowledge them.

I don't acknowledge them and I don't and I won't acknowledge them They acknowledge what it's a myth acknowledge what it's a myth. What's a myth? Now you get it Now you're getting it So she returned to Hollywood and she hired hope for high profile attorney Jerry Geisler. Hey, it's me. You're attorney. Jerry Geisler. That's pretty good. Nailed it. She announced. She's a little fat on the back there. And she announced that she was filing for divorce from Joe after only nine months of marriage. Oh, no. Well, that's all

the end of the publicity. Did its job. Because he was like, I'm mad about the stunts. She's like, oh, I'm fine. You're mad. I'm going to divorce you on my terms. She's a fucking genius. Mad about the stunts. It sounds like a real piece of work. The seven-year-its was released the following June, and it grossed over 4.5 million of the box office, making it one of the biggest commercial successes that year.

And after feeling wrapped, she began a new battle for control over her career and left Hollywood for the East Coast where she and her photographer friend Milton Green founded their own production company, Marilyn Monroe Productions. And now to your foundation in the press conference in January 1955, Monroe stated that she was tired of the same old sex roles. I want to do better. People have scope, you know? Yeah, I'm getting pretty sick of sex roles as well.

You give me too, man. I've got scope. Yeah. I'm sick of you guys sending me your sex tapes. Dad. Nobody wants to see that. You didn't send your... You said you'd send yours if I sent mine.

Dad. Did that happen? I've been drinking a lot. You've been drinking a lot your whole life. Our whole lives anyway. I've really stopped drinking very much at all. Just by the by. What is that? What's very much to you though?

I know, I've really dropped the've dropped, I don't know. You've dropped the ball. It's an unhealthy lifestyle. New me green tea, as I always say. Well, was your last green tea? Well, I can't remember that, but I, I love the idea. What was your last beer?

Spears I cannot remember, last week. Okay. I mean, if you can't remember, mate, can't. I can't remember. I was real drunk last night. No, I haven't, uh, I don't think of it. Yeah, last week sometime, maybe. So she's no longer under contract to Fox, because the studio had not fulfilled its duty, such as paying her the promised bonus for the seven-year itch. And this began this long, a year-long battle between her and the studio. And she dedicated $19.55 to studying her craft.

So I'm just gonna study the my craft. That's great. What, how do they justify not paying her the bonus? I have no idea. Sounds. $100,000 gone missing. That seems really weird. She moved to Manhattan and she was taking acting classes and attended workshops on method

acting at the Acta Studio, which was run by Lee Strasbourg, as we mentioned. The jeans guy. The jeans guy. He's very busy. She grew really close to Strasbourg and his wife Paula. Paula, another one of those names. Paula. Receiving private lessons at their home due to her shyness and soon became a family member. They adopted her. They just like a family member, you know. Blood brothers. Yeah, they cut their hands and then shook hands. Like all families do.

Yeah. The Strasbourg's remained an important influence for the rest of her career. She also started undergoing psychoanalysis at the recommendation of Lee Strasbourg, who believed that an activist confront their emotional traumas and use them in their performances. Hmm. That sounds dangerous. Hmm. That sounds dangerous. Yeah. I like to imagine this, like,

strapped to a bunch of wires and stuff, but it's probably not it. In a private life, Monroe continued her relationship with DiMargio, despite the ongoing divorce proceedings. Occasionally. She also dated actor Marlon Brando, and playwright Arthur Miller. Bloody hell.

The affair between Monroe and Miller became increasingly serious after October of 1955, when her divorce from Demargeo was finalised and Miller separated from his wife. Now Miller was being investigated by the FBI for allegations of communism and the FBI opened a file on her as well due to their relationship. The studio feared that Munrobi Blacklisted and urged her to end the affair, but she refused later calling the studio heads, born cowards, which I think is like 50s version of pussy.

Born cowards. You were even as a baby, you were a coward. Yeah, you were fucking born weak, you coward. You talking about me again? Yes. Oh, no. That's not what I meant. Like, she was hanging out with, well, I mean,

she's one of the biggest, sizable times, so it makes sense, but she was hanging out with, eyelesses everywhere. Heavy hitters, yeah. She wasn't just hanging out with them, man. She was hanging in with them. Hang in there. By the end of the year, Munro and Fox had come to an agreement

about a new seven-year contract. What, why would you bother? Yeah. They keep coming back. Fuck off. They didn't pay the bonus. I'm going. Yeah, no, you will give you a double bonus next time. Well, it was clear that Marilyn Monroe productions

wouldn't be able to finance films alone, and the studio was eager to have her working again. So the contract required her to make four movies for Fox during seven years. I guess further reasonable. And the studio would pay her $100,000 for each movie and granted her the right to choose around projects, directors, and cinematographers.

And she would also be free to make one film with Marilyn Monroe productions per each completed film for Fox. So she's a Fox film she can do her own. That's a good deal. Yeah. Yeah, but you forgot that the last deal they didn't go through with. Yeah, that's the issue. But they keep going to her like no, and they go no, we want you, I'm sorry. This is a fun little fact. In March of that year, she officially changed her name to Marilyn Monroe, having used it as a stage name for a decade. But she actually changed her name to that. Oh, isn't that fun? Yes.

Monroe and Miller were married in a civil ceremony at the Westchester County Court in White Plains, New York on June 29, and two days later, had a Jewish ceremony at his agent's house Also in New York romantic with the marriage Monroe converted to Judaism which led Egypt to ban all of her films Huh, well that is if that's that's a fun fact that is yeah, that I didn't know that. I feel like I've said huh more than normal Right the media saw the union as, uh, as mismatched, given her star image as a sex symbol and his position as an intellectual. As demonstrated by Variety's headline, egghead weds hourglass. You're lying.

No. Both false. Egg and hourglass are both kinds of timers. Wow. And their love is going to survive all time. Wow. That's beautiful. I feel like we dumbed down the knees now, but that isn't amazing at all.

That's so good, isn't it? But also just like... Egghead, where's that? I was like, I'll just... I click on that. I'd be like, what the fuck? That's just all they are. Like, he's just smart and she's just a body. She's just like, egghead as well.

Like, you just assume that's Albert Einstein or something. Yeah. Playwright, Weds, actress. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. That is exactly how the conversation went to go. Yeah. And the girl would be like, come on,

don't make us a joke, please. I just want to, I mean, I don't even want to tell the story, but I've got a report on some, please don't make it silly. No, no, no, no, no, no. How about egghead, weds, alclass, and everybody else just stands up against. Mm-hmm. Oh, so you've done it again. God, he's good.

If you could have got a triple rhyme, that would have been the only thing that would have improved it. Egghead, weds, egg,head, head, wed, drop dead. Fred. We're going to have to change a few things at the store. Who cares, it'll sell papers. We're going to change our name to Fred somehow. Okay, so the first film that Monroe chose to make under this new contract was bus stop.

Sometimes I like, I think if you hear especially old movie titles, sometimes they just sound stupid. Yeah, nearly everyone you've said. Yeah, that's why I've enjoyed the bus stop. Then again, I'm sure modern one sounds stupid, we just have more context for them, so we don't think about it, like speed. Oh, yeah, speed.

Dead pool. Dead pool. I like it. In years. You'd be like what is that like your your modern references Alright, but a great film and I'm glad you it's a good film. I like it. It's so held up your man Hoppers in that one. I mean and Keanu and Sandra Keanu raises in that. What does he play and Sandy? It's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so Shari, who's a saloon singer whose dreams of stardom are complicated by an Aive Cowboy who falls in love with her. At a buster? I'm watching. I'm watching here.

She purposefully chose costumes and make up that lacked the glamour of her earlier films and she provided deliberately mediocre singing and dancing for the role. That's how you get them. So you get them. And so you get them. And there's a Broadway director named Joshua Logan, who agreed to direct, despite initially doubting her acting ability and knowing of her reputation for being quite difficult.

And then, first I actually said, I'm going to act shit on purpose. He's like, oh, so you're going to act worse than I think you already do. Oh my god. To me, that feels like someone rewriting history. The movie comes out. It's a lot too good. Yeah, god. To me that feels like someone rewriting history. Yeah. The movie comes out. It's a bomb. Not too good. Yeah. Deliberally. Yeah. I'm a genius. Yeah. Let's try to say.

I did that on purpose. The. The. Did you not get it? Oh, you just. Oh, that's cute. You know, they're the labels. Okay. Oh, that's adorable. Bless. I go by. So yeah, the director's already like, but he actually kind of came to adapt to her being late for things. The experience changed his opinion of Monroe and he later compared her to Charlie Chaplin in her ability to blend comedy and tragedy. So she was really great. Bus stop became a box office success, grossing 4.25 million and she received a golden globe for best actress. A nomination. Oh. That's not different, yeah.

Again, you can wrap the inflections. Sorry. But, she lost. Oh, dear. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Because if you just said a golden globe nomination, I would have been like great. I know. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Cause if you just said a golden globe nomination, I would have been like great. I know, it's not me. And she got a golden globe. I'm nomination.

It was weird that it had golden globe for best actress, nomination. It's weird that it had that. You mean the thing you wrote? Yeah, the sentence I wrote was written poorly. It's weird that it said that. These are my reports of the third best. In August of 1956, Manroa began filming

Marilyn Monroe's productions first independent production, The Prince and the Showgirl. Oh, I'm in. Laurence Olivier had played the main role in the play the film was based on and reprised his role and also directed and co-produced the film. Okay, well there you go. That sounds like it would actually be good then.

Yeah, we're in the conflict between him and Monroe. Oh. He angered her with the patronizing statement, all you have to do is be sexy and was annoyed by the constant presence of her acting coach on set. So in retaliation to what she considered was quite condescending behavior, Monroe started arriving late and became uncooperative, stating later that if you don't respect your artist, they can't work well.

I like that. I like how she did this new thing. I'll show you. I'm going to do this thing that I've always done and start coming late. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This thing I'm famous for doing all the time anyway. That'll show you. But this is payback. And also I'm the film's executive producer. It's like, I ain't done in charge of this product, it's your film. Yeah. She's like, no, I'm not going to work with you. Yeah. So that film was filmed in England. So once she returned to the US, she took an 18-month hiatus from working and she concentrated on her marry life. Her marry life. Oh, married life. Oh, that's not as fun. During that. What do you see a marry what I thought you just miss pronounced word Mary Oh, Mary Mary Mary up For 18 months everything was grand it actually was really bad. I just skipped over some bad stuff that happened then um

Okay, whatever just personal stuff Oh, thank you. To me. Yeah, it's not to be out of our talk about it Okay, there's a tough 18 months for you. She, she had some health issues. Anyway. So, are you going to be my dancing round? No, I just mad all get sad again. Well, don't protect me.

There's more people listening to this than me. Okay, well while she's on her high age, she became pregnant in mid 1957, but it was an ectopic pregnancy and had to be terminated and she suffered a miscarriage a year later as well. I have often wondered, did she ever have children? No, she had. What do you know what ectomic means? Ectopic means the egg is, it's fertilized in the fallopian tube. So it can't come out.

So it can't, it just, yep. Ah, fuck. Yeah, it's not good. I did not know any of that. I was not expecting to come here today and learn about ovary tubes. And it's just, it, that's not right, is it? Which upsets me a little bit too, because I mean, we've been doing this podcast for two and a half years, and I've known you for at least a year before that, and you've never asked me about my ovaries. Yeah, it just never came up. Whereas I ask every day. He does. He messes me every morning at 905 and says,

how are your ovaries today? Don't you, Dave? Where are eggs at? And you always say, tubular. tubular. Where are your eggs at? Where are my eggs at?

It's really nice. It's just nice that he checks in every morning. Every morning, 905. Where are my eggs at 905 where my exit Not where my exit. Yeah, I'm not claiming them. Okay Where your exit where your exit? Where your Oh, yeah, gross. Okay Also during this hiatus she dismissed Milton Green from her production company and bought his share of the company as they could not settle their disagreements and she'd begun to

suspect that he was embezzling money from the company. Monroe returned to Hollywood in July of 1958 to act opposite Jack Leman and Tony Curtis in the Billy Wilders comedy on gender roles, some like it hot. That's a good movie. That is a good one, very good movie. Right, there's a few I've seen of it. That's interesting how many of these titles are heard of.

Yeah, Jack was an intanguist. They stand iconic, but I don't know if they are necessarily. Some like it hot is one that I've heard a lot about. Yeah, I wasn't sure. Couldn't tell you anything about it. Heard a lot about it. And she's really good at it. Although she can, she can see the role,

the character's name is Sugarcane. She considered it another dumb blonde role, but she accepted it because her husband was encouraging and the offer of receiving 10% of the film's profit in addition to her standard pay. Who's her husband now? Arthur Miller. Oh, that's right. The to a standard paid. Who's a husband now? Arthur Miller. Oh, that's right.

The egghead. Is it something a third, husband? Yeah, yeah. So it's the first guy, Dreaderman Chio. Arthur Miller. Arthur Miller. Her difficult behavior on set of this film is now infamous.

She would demand dozens of retakes, couldn't remember a line, so actors directed, I don't really get this. This is open to your interpretation. Tony Curtis famously stated that kissing her was like kissing Hitler due to the number of retakes just because maybe he hated her. True to the number and Hitler was famous. Like kissing Hitler. Taking a lot of kisses. I think it might just be like by the end of it, it was like yuck. I was thinking it was going to be itchy toplip.

Yeah, maybe that's what he was going for. Right in the middle. Sore ago, I last week in Sydney, we're running a shop in a market with a Hitler mustache. Really could have been hitly. He looked about the right age real old. Maybe it's just a big challenge. I'm a fan and no one's ever had their guts to tell him, hey, someone else had it since and it kind of killed this look.

Yeah, you can't have this look anymore. Sorry. Maybe he'd had a shaving accident. Yes, even on each side. Yeah. No. Fall into a razor. Two razors.

Honestly, we'll never know. I mean, we could ask him. No, we'll never know. I mean, we could ask him. No, we'll never know. Okay. Um, Munro made Billy Wildler angry by asking him to alter many of his scenes, which in turn made her stage fright worse. And it has suggested that she deliberately ruined several scenes so that she could then act them her way anyway.

But in the end, Billy Wilde was happy with her performance and stated, anyone can remember lines, but it takes the real artist to come on the set and not know her lines and yet give the performance she did. Yeah, it's that anyone can remember their lines. It doesn't sound like she can. No, she can't. She can't at all. I feel like a weird, it could have been sarcastic and people have said,

what a lovely thing for him to say. It is a... It feels sarcastic. It is a stressful thing about acting. Learning lines. But I'd say it is a stressful thing about acting. Learning lines, but I say it's one of the key things. Yeah, and if it's you if it's like a it's your whole job. Feels like you'd have nothing but time to learn them. I'm all right at learning lines. You've said that about me before. Yeah, you're very good learning lines. I just I feel like often when I'm

doing it there's not it's like very short turnaround between getting the script and doing it. 100% yes. But when you've given you a few days or something you should probably you should be able to That's in the she would have had it for weeks beforehand. Wow, imagine that kind of luxury I can remember anything Remember that my one of my famous roles when I called Ronnie Chang Fuck knuckle no fuck not. See, I still can't. That's all you have to say. What were you playing a barista or something? Yeah, there's that's your look. Isn't it? I'm playing a farm of this week.

Yeah, I can I got range. Wow. Maybe farming. What kind of like it at a at a, at a, um, cow breeding farm. So I'm doing like, I stick the the giz into cows. Right. Do you have to do that for the role? No, there's a there's a someone standing in. Why you got to stun arm. Yeah.

That fits the cow. I've said too much. I'm afraid this is under embargo. Probably is. I don't know if I should have said that. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Nobody listens. Despite the difficulties of its production,

some like and heart became a critical and commercial success when it was released in March of 1959, and Monroe's performance earned her a golden globe for best actress. Pause. No, that's it. She won one. End of sentence.

She won a, wait, what? She won a Golden Globe for this actress. I didn't know that. That's great. It could have been another nomination. I don't know. It could be how it's written. I don't know. It's it's fault. Who's it? I don't know. She wasn't it girl. Okay.

She think it's somehow Marilyn Monroe to be on the road. She also was a ghost that wants Google Docs at all is coming around. I'm close. I'm getting close to the end here, so I know I've been rambling for a bit. Truman Compote lobbied for her to play Hollywood Lightly in a film adaptation of Breakfast at Tiffany's, but the role went to Audrey Hepburn, as its producers feared that Monroe would complicate the production, because she was known for being quite difficult. Right.

The last film that she... Audrey did an okay job, right? Ah, lavalé, wrong film. Um. Breakfast at Tiffany's is great. Yeah. And again, Hepburn's another one. It's just like she's very captivating.

Yes, but it was the other hipburn that won all the awards when the E got, right? Catherine. Audrey Hepburn's won an E got, but Catherine Hepburn has won four Academy Awards for best actors and no one else has ever done that. But no relation. No relation.

Different boy in the other countries. That's still fucking right. Audrey won an E got. Yeah, she's got an ego. Oh no, shit. If you haven't listened one of our early subs, Dave did about Academy Awards and he talked about all that stuff. And obviously I've retained all that in here.

Yeah, all of it. The last film that she completed was John Houston's The Misfits, which Miller had written to provide her with a dramatic role. He wrote it for her. But the four-year marriage of Monroe and Miller was effectively over. And he began a new relationship with their set photographer. So that's good.

That was the first marriage that she actually seemed to be for love. Right? Yeah, true. One of them was for publicity. The other one was to not go to an orphanage. Oh, gosh. Yeah, and with Miller, people told her not to. And she was like, fuck off, I'm going to.

Well, the third one was with an egg head, So I mean, when will the hourglass learn? That's what we're all wondering. As the saying goes, she just liked that Miller had based her role partly on her life and thought it inferior to the male roles. And she also struggled with Miller's habit of rewriting scenes the night before filming. Oh, because she'd been learning the script all day.

Exactly. Her health was also failing. She was in pain from gallstones, and a drug addiction was so severe that her makeup usually had to be applied while she was still asleep. Right, so she's addicted to drug. How long she been on the... Yeah, you never mentioned that. So it skipped over the drug addiction.

She would... She was drinking a bit, and also using barbatruits. Barbatruits? Barbatruits. What do they mean? What does that mean again? I think they just like it like a depressant like. It's great word.

So she's under the influence of that and she's sleeping and people are doing her makeup. Which fuck, if someone could do my makeup and I could have another 10 minute sleep, I think you got to be not wake up during I don't take 10 minutes to do I don't win Do a weird way to wake up. I'm gonna be wasted time I'll just get up and do it myself forget it In August filming was halted due to her spending a week detoxing in an LA hospital and Despite her problems Houston stated that when Munro was playing Rosalind, she was

not pretending to an emotion. It was the real thing. She would go deep down with it herself and find it and bring it up into consciousness. Method acting. It was like it's meth acting. Yeah. Thank the bituits are involved. Probably because they're in her system.

Barbituits. Okay, Google, what's a barbituate? I can search the web for you. No, I know you can, your Google. What kind of a brag is that? I can search the web for you. I know you're literally that's your purpose. I even come with email now. Now you're both looking at our partner. Is heroin one? I think it is. Why is there no DNA? It's barbiturates.

Barbiturates. Oh, barbiturates? Yeah, I didn't know that. Barbiturates. Yeah, it depresses the central nervous system. Barbiturates. It's often to put you to sleep. Yeah.

I think they're very addictive. So Monroe and Miller separated after filming wrapped up and she was granted a quick divorce in Mexico in January 1961. She next filmed a scene for something's got to give in which she swam naked in a swimming pool. To generate advanced publicity, the press was invited to take photographs of the scene, which were later published in Life magazine. This was the first time that a major star had posed nude while at the height of their career because most of them would do it before I'm guessing. Or after. Yeah, it's right. They say you get nude photos twice and you

get one's on the way up and one's on the way down. When she was again on sick leave, she was on sick leave again for several days. Foxes said that they couldn't afford to have another film running schedule behind, running behind schedule. Oh, that was a real sweet poetic way of saying that. Running schedule behind. It was already struggling to cover the costs of their film, Cleopatra. So on the 7th of June, they fired Monroe and Suda for $750,000 in damages. Oh, that's a lot.

After the director refused to make the film with anyone else, because they were looking for a replacement, Fox sued him as well, and shut down the production, so the movie didn't go ahead. The studio blamed Monroe for the film's demise and began spreading negative publicity about her even alleging that she was mentally disturbed. Fox soon regretted its decision and reopened to negotiations with Monroe later in June. They keep crawling back. That's what I mean. It's so strange and a settled about a new contract including Recommencing something's got to give. What was a tactic did she marry someone? She didn't have to do anything this time.

So then we're going to redo something's got to give and she's going to go starring role in What A Way To Go. Dr. T64. What a way to go. You're going to call the title first. They're maths. To repair her public image, Monroe engaged in several publicity ventures, including interviews for life and Cosmo and she did her first photoshoot for Vogue. So she's like repairing her good girl image. She famously lived and... You don't sound like a good girl. No, I'm f**king up your bit.

That's a joke of mine. It has very little context for our podcast listeners, not in fact. Sorry. That joke not being documented anywhere, unless they've seen me perform live. Well, I reckon they have 95% of them. 95% sure. Right. The other five, what are you doing? Grow up. Get out there. Support live comedy. All right, we're towards the end, which you probably know what that means. Monroe famously lived at one two three or five fifth Helena Drive in Brentwood, which was a neighborhood of Los Angeles. Famously. I could have recited that address. Obviously. It's my famous address on the world. One two three four five.

Brentwood. Yeah, exactly. You know, her housekeeper, Eun, three, four, five. Brenton, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, exactly. You know it. Her housekeeper, Eunice Murray. Eunice. Eunice. We're staying overnight at the home. Why? On the evening of August 1st, 1962.

And Murray woke at 3am on August 6, and sensed that something was wrong. Although she saw light from under Monroe's bedroom door, she was unable to get a response and found the door locked. Murray then called Monroe's psychiatrist Dr. Ralph Greenson, who arrived at the house shortly after him broke into the bedroom where he found Monroe unresponsive in her bed. She was pronounced dead by her physician Dr. Hyman Engelberg. That is a beautiful name. I trust him with that name. Trust him to pronounce me,

Dad. Dr. Hyman Engelberg. Oh my goodness. Sounds like a Hollywood superstar. Is that a stage name? There's an even better job title that's coming up in a moment, who arrived at the house at 3.50 AM and he had pronounced her dead at 4.25. They notified the LAPD. Coincidentally, he's a weird fun fact, weird time for a fun fact. Monroe's first husband, James Doherty, was a detective with the LAPD at the time of Monroe's death and he was notified of her demise before the press was contacted Through his work or I think through his they obviously would have known that

So empty medicine bottles were found next to her bed and the possibility that Monroe had accidentally overdosed was ruled out because the dosage Found in her body was several times over the lethal limit So it's like you can't have accidentally taken that much. Her doctor stated that she'd been prone to severe fears and frequent depressions with abrupt and unpredictable mood changes and had overdosed several times in the past, possibly intentionally. Here we go. Due to these facts and the lack of any indication of foul play, coroner to the stars Thomas Nguci. What a guy. That's the fun for Diff as probable suicide. Coroner to the stars. If someone dies, he's on it. I've met everyone famous that went once they did. Coroner to the stars. Self self. I have no idea how

fucked is that. The current at the stars dot org Now she was a real weird one. She was an international star. Obviously, and her son death. It was front page news and all over the country and Yeah, all over the world. It was it was huge and they are as I mentioned at the start Quite a few conspiracy theories. Something like six. From this one article, yes. Approximately six. Six theories.

Hand. I want to point out that the source that I'm using for this particular part of my report is cosmopolitan.com. Right. Right. Not coroner to the stars at all. Not coroner to the stars at all. Okay.

So obviously this is trustworthy. Number one. It's a count up. Do you want me to start at six? Of course. No, I want to start number one. Just call it number six. Number six.

The CIA did it. Okay. Why? Because they knew about her affair with Robert Kennedy. Oh, Robert Kennedy. And saw her death as a blow to the Kennedy family. And this is... Wait, what?

So she wasn't having an affair with JFK. Oh. It was a Bobby Kennedy. Bob and they wanted, so the FBI or CIA wanted to harm the Kennedys. It wasn't a cover it up. They saw it as a blow to the Kennedy family. Yeah. No, no, you're saying that their relationship was a blight. No, no, no, Dave, I'm not saying anything. Cosmo is saying, all right, okay. Political tensions were in extreme. One theory says that Monroe's death was ordered by the CIA to get revenge on the

Kennedys for the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. But why Monroe? As Matthew Smith notes in his 2003 book Victim, The Secret Tapes of Maryland Monroe, based on tape the actress made with her psychiatrist, Weeks Before A Death, the CIA likely knew about Monroe's affair with Robert Kennedy and saw her death as a blow to the Kennedy family. That is a long bow. I always thought the people... So you're going to talk about JFK at all? You will talk about him. Okay. It's not funny that they people are saying this was obviously the CIA getting at the Kennedys because it's likely they knew that Bobby Kennedy probably

had a relationship with her. So obviously, surely they'd kill Bob Kennedy. And none of this makes sense. Oh good. And his brother's the president. Number five, Robert F. Kennedy did it. One of the first conspiracy theories to emerge after one was death was that Robert F. Kennedy did it. One of the first conspiracy theories to emerge after Manuel's death was that Robert F. Kennedy had killed her

and fears she would expose their roommate affair and put his political career and image in danger. Oh. I'll buy that. It's, yeah. You think that's more than the CIA getting at? Well, that's why it's number five. They're getting more likely as Jess can't step down.

Number four, RFK did it, but it was an accident. RFK, I love that. I've never heard him as RFK. RFK. I say, it was an accident. He did it. How do you kill it by accident with drugs? They claimed that RFK and his brother-in-law, Peter Lulford, encouraged Monroe's drug and alcohol

use after she threatened to make her affair with RFK public. It's just like, I'm going to tell everyone, they're like, have some drugs. Let's just calm down with a lot of hard-core drugs. There you go. So it was like, what? Law, law, can't urge. Yeah. Accident to loathe those things.

Another Barbie, throw it down. Yeah. Great change. Okay. Number three. Yeah. Her doctor did it, but it was an accident. Oh, okay.

In yet another book about Monroe, Donald Spott, I've suggested in 1993, the Monroe suffered an accident all over dose after lying to her doctors about her medication. So all these ones where they've, someone else has done it right. Think about this. She was in there by herself and the door was locked.

Yeah. They jumped out the window. Jumped out the window. Very good. Mm-hmm. Matt, mole people. Oh. They borrowed through the floor.

Yeah. And then borrowed back out. Through the floor. Number two. Very inefficient. Marilyn knew too much about UFOs and was murdered. I mean, I'm in. Okay, tell me more.

How did Marilyn get this information about UFOs? Well, she was having a room at affair with President John F. Kennedy around the time of her death. Ross, she's banging both bros. Banging both bros. And there's a 2017 documentary unacknowledged and it suggests Monroe had plans to leak top secret details about Roswell among other things in an effort to stop the leak

and her room and affair with both Kennedy brothers the CIA ordered her to have her killed. I wonder if the local policeman from the Roswell case has anything to say about that. I wonder what I'm just telling him. I'm just telling him, I've been a long time since I've been on the SCADM. She's going to be back up there. The Kennedy server heard of him.

I've actually worked under them during the due name. Oh, for four and I'm not in that for five. Anyway, I'm going to talk about my other one. Seven-year-old Chaka was one of those in my wife, about seven months in. It was seven months old Chaka got to get out of there and say to myself, but she said to me, oh, you can't leave.

And I said, no, I can't leave, can't leave. Never got to leave. And then anyway, Marilyn, we got to talk about Marilyn. What do you want to know? Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure the president did it. Oh, gosh, I said to him, I've got to go, I've got to go, God bless you, God bless you. Thanks, thanks. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure the president did it kind of oh god said to my god I got a god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god out again the long day. Alright, so that's number five is that she knew too much about

you F.I. She was killed. And number one, Cosmo was split it into two. One A and one B. Not just making it a list of seven. You were the top seven ridiculous. But we already said six. Um, when someone's, you know, you're riding a car. And you know, we started with six. We can't go back now. I've written happy mothers. Yeah, I do that a lot.

Fuck. Okay, so the Mafia did it. A pro PI, a private detective, Milo Speri-Glio made an accusation that Monroe had been murdered by Labor Union leader Jimmy Huffa and Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana, so the Kennedy family would leave the Mafia alone. It's all about the Kennedys, really. But yes, so the Mafia did it, or the Mafia did it based on orders from the Kennedys really But yeah, so the Mafia did it or the Mafia did it based on orders from the Kennedys It was either to get back to the Kennedys or because the Kennedys told them but some little Mafia isn't it

So okay, let me just first one. Yeah Kennedys Pissing off the Mafia so they take out Marilyn Monroe. Okay, they all seem to think it either Yeah, it's Marilyn Monroe being killed is really going to hurt the Kennedys. Yeah. Because of a secret affair or the Kennedys did it quite the opposite. Yeah. Because of the secret affair. Yeah. So based on the orders of the Kennedys, so aographer called Darwin Porter had a book called Marilyn at Rainbow's End. And he suggested that she was murdered by the same person Sam Junkana, who received orders from one of the Kennedy brothers to silence the actress and anything she was going to say about her affair. And he claims that five mafia hitmen entered Monroe's home and admitted that a chloroform soaked washcloth on her face, injected her with drugs and moved her to her bedroom

to make the scene look like a suicide. Guys, this is from Cosmo. Right. Now, and what's he definitely having in the fair with the Kennedy brothers? Is that a thing? I don't know. What about this happy birthday, Mr. President? Do you have anything about that story? It happened. Yeah, is that, am I imagining that I've seen footage of that, or I've just seen a reenactment of it?

You've just seen Mr. Burns pop out of the cake and seeing happy birthday, Mr. Smith. That's probably what you're thinking of, is that part, yeah? But I think, no, she definitely didn't see how we birthday, Mr. President. But was she having a affair with him? Did you come across any of that? It's, well, as it says there, I think it she definitely did sing that we'd better say Mr. President, but was she having a fair with him? Did you come across any of that? It's Well, I think it's rumored. I'm not I can't say a hundred percent for sure if

That's a definite it actually didn't really say much. What about aliens? Can you say that 100? Yes, a hundred percent. They aliens killed her because she knew too much I mean the only thing that is too much. I mean the only thing that is that makes me think maybe something is going on is that she dies possibly murdered then JFK murdered Robert Kennedy murdered. That's a bit crazy. So you think aliens? No I don't think aliens. What do you think? Are they connected? I can see how some people that like to see things. And it is intriguing. Or I like to say that. I'm not saying I don't like to see things, Dave.

I really don't take for granted my sight, my vision and that I have that sense. I'm very hasty, blessed for that. I'm very, very dependent on smell. And I smell something fishy. Yeah. It's just, so if she was murdered, and then because those who were definitely murdered,

it's about about who shot them, but. Yeah. That's a bit sus. So she's having a affair with both of them. And was it all around the same time? Well, then within 10 years, they're all dead. Yeah. But I mean, a lot of people all died, right?

And then, like, these conspiracy theories happened after they're all dead already. So you're going, well, it's a bit weird, they all died within 10 years of each other and must have been connected, maybe. No, I'm not saying that, but if she was having to fare with both of them, then maybe they are connected.

But I can't say whether they were definitely I'm in a fair. And whether or not that came up as a room before or after. Yes, yes, I know. I wish I'd known at the time. You weren't alive, so. No. But I can see how, no, that's very interesting.

That's one of the big conspiracy sort of ball parks and to slide in Roswell as well. That makes it really... Yeah, that's amazing. And you know who wanted to go to the moon? JFK. He was the one who started the... And the aliens who wanted to go to the moon? JFK. He was the one who started the...

And the aliens were like, fuck off, it's our turf. Oh my god. So they sent five mafia hitmen? Yeah, it makes sense. Alien mafia? Yeah. She's the ways. Well, that's what I thought.

Well, that's what I'd open. We have kind of cracked it wide open, but also I feel like we'll never know. I know, it is a bit... Yeah. But also, it's like it's another kind of cracked it wider, but also I feel like we'll never know. I know, it is a bit... Yeah. But it also, like, it's another kind of sad... It's a... She had a pretty sad life. Oh, absolutely tragic.

And the other thing is, would she be as iconic as she is now if she hadn't died? Maybe not. She was only 36 when she died, too. Amazing, so young. So young. So yeah, that's my report on the life of Marilyn Monroe and then a brief section on On Cosmo on Cosmo and I forgot to mention at the start who suggested it. I'm sorry. It was suggested by Chrissy Bryson

Maisie G JG and Sarah Clough All suggested that so thank you very much The suggestions that I can only presume that this is the second in trilogy of tragic Hollywood deaths. You know it, baby. Oh, that's your second in a row. That would be worse. That would be worse.

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That would be worse. That would be worse. That would be worse. That would be worse. That would be worse. That would be worse. That would another one, but I'll try. Give it a go. I'll give it a go. Hey, as we do every week, it's time now for our favorite part. Of the show, and that is where we thank some people

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Greatly. And we've got to thank a couple of people each now that do thank us, sorry, that do support us. They thank us in a way. We should stop fucking around by May and Dave suggesting things, Jess, you're really always a better at this. Oh, I don't have anything this time.

Oh, I was thinking changing their name. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, great. OK, yep. But we've done that before. We did that with Natalie Wood. It's relevant again. This one, it's got to be an alliterative name. Yes.

Got it. And it's got to be their mother's maiden name. First guy I want to thank is got such a sick name. I think as a general rule, all of our listeners have amazing names, but from rockford, Illinois, wow, I'm assuming I L is Illinois. I would love to thank Jacob Gryffinstein. Wow. Jacob Gryffinstein, that is a hell of a name.

Jacob Grafenstein is another possibility. Oh, that's the Zal name. Jacob, but Gryth and Steen is another possibility. That's the Zalias. Yeah, we... Jess, what are you reckon? Jerry, Jumanji. That is a great name. That's a great name. That's a big star written all over it.

Bus stop starring Jerry Jumanji. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it twice. Me too. So nice. I'm taking my friend. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it twice. Me too. So nice. I'm taking my friend. I'm taking my mum. Cause Jerry Jumanji is our favorite.

And obviously Jacob Griefenstein or Jerry Gryphonstein. Fuck. Sorry. I've learned how Stein should be said. I mean, you forget every time though. It's a, it's Stein. I'm pretty sure it's Stein. Okay. Jacob.

Greeth and Stein, I think. And I'd also love to think another absolutely sick name. Oh, to see from, uh, oh no, I've lost him. Oh no, oh, oh no. Oh goodness. Oh, oh, oh, good Lord. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Oh, oh, good Lord. Neither is helping you. I'm just letting you from doing you freak out. I have what have you done from Seamless about a Dean Shire in Great Britain. I'd love to thank Grant cheese right I had to cheese right. I never go. All right, let me have a go. Follow your heart cheese right. Hahaha. We had to cheese right. Stayed better than ever ago. Alright, let me have a go. Fall your heart.

Cheese right. Okay. Trent. Yes, I like it. Tell a man. Trent Tell a man. Trent Tell a man. Not Tell a man.

No, Tell a man. Got it. Love it. That sounds pretty good. Trent Tell a man. Yeah, I like it good See it's fun, isn't it? I mean I just couldn't beat cheese right Oh good on your great cheese right or Trent tell a man Can I thank some people please I would like to thank from Spacane, Washington.

Oh, how are they? Matthew Danis. Oh, Matthew Danis. Hello, Matthew. Matt, have a go. Okay. One mat to another. All right, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna blank my mind.

Okay. And then just come out with whatever it is. Blanking, blanking, blanking. And he's winding up. He's winding up. I'm blanking. I'm blanking. Fred Friedenstein. I'm blanking. I'm blanking. Fred Frinnstein. Oh, steam. That's done. Yeah. Spelled

double A. Fred Frinninstein. Wow. I got a still blank in my got a still blank in my mind. You went from nearly never works. What did I say? I was out there. Fred Frinnstein. Fred Frinnstein. out there. I did. Fred Fred and Stene. Fred Fred and Stene. Stene. Stene. Fred Fred and Stene.

Double E and yeah. Yeah. Fred Fred and Stene. Fred Fred and Stene. Thanks so much. Fred E. That's you now, Matthew Dennis. Thank you so much. And next up from the Isle of White.

Oh, the Isle of White. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's very cool. That's very cool. Harry Green. Oh, another great name. No, it's not. It's very cool. That's very cool. Harry Green. Oh, another great name. It's not. It's boring and we can make it better.

Okay, how do we make it pop? I'm doing the weird gesture map with the camera, but it's okay. It works. Oh. Open yourself up. Louis Landel's. Oh, yeah. That is good.

She dug deep. Louis Landel's does sound like a, that's a, I think a blank down. A golden era. A golden era. Louis Landel's. It's very nice. It's based on my friend Louis,

and the surname of my friend Sophie, Sophie Landel's. Oh. Yeah. Harry Green, no Sophie, Sophie Landel's. Oh, no. Harry Green, no more. Louis Landel's, you are now the king of the olive white. Yes. Congratulations, Sir. Now I would like to thank all the way from Oklahoma City. Oh,

Oh, blah, blah, in comes we've been down their place. city In Oklahoma I'd like to thank Paul Valentine Any Valentine keep Valentine no, we got change change it. I'm going to give him some. Oh, good. No, Valentine. Fine, I give up. What about this? What about Henry Hartthrobb? Oh, yes!

Great. Yes, love it. But he's not tight-casting just Hartthrobb rolls. Like he does action flicks too. Yeah, he can get greedy. Oh, he's so greedy. Yeah. Paul, that's Henry.

Thanks so much for your support. Love it. Yes. And okay, see. And finally, I would like to thank from Brisbane right here in Australia. I would like to thank a very happy sounding name Alice Joy. Oh, Alice Joy. That's a great name. All right, let me think of something here. I love the name Alice already, but Joy is great. Grace? Garibaldi. Wow. Grace Garibaldi. Matt did not enjoy that.

I did. You liked Grace. Grace, you said Grace. Garibaldi. It sounds like absolutely classic. No, that's the good stuff. That's the terrible thing. That sounds like an absolute classic. No, that's the second name that requires a stage name. Grace Garibaldi. No, that is, oh, I think he can where she from.

She's got the grace of grace. She's got the Garibaldi. Of. Garibaldi. Right, no, now that you say it that way, it's still fucking stupid. You don't think that sounds good? No.

You had Henry Hartthrogg. Great. That's a stage name. That's memorable. It sounds like a Bawdster. I'm saying grace, what's your face? Gariboldie. No.

Oh, already what? Grace, grab a coldie. I don't know. Oh, see, that's great. What's a different name? It's an open to suggestions. Coledy I don't know see that's great once a different name And open to suggestions grace grab a coldies a really good one I'm happy to admit when I've been trumped and I've been trumped with grace grab a coldie

That's a great name. Yeah grace grab a coldie. Oh, let's come on. You're happy with that grab a coldie on us With your own money of course Thank you so much. In what way is it on us? She gives up. I made the suggestion. Oh, okay. Yeah Right that's that it's a very that's a very generous offer Thank you Thank you so much to drink. Help yourself to a drink. Yeah Thanks to all the superstars um from Hollywood and around the world that support us through Patreon. It really does make a big, big difference in our little lives. We've got little lives.

Look too. And little bumps. Now, but usually I speak for yourself. I do, I don't know, bum. Either do I. I've in well documented on the show. Matt, how's your butt? It will not quit. Great. Now, just a real wacker holly. Usually I didn't do this show, this is the part where I say all the ways you can contact us. But guess what? We've put them all in one spot and it's do go on pod.com.

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