Do Go On - 135 - Marilyn Monroe

Episode Date: May 23, 2018

In the second of Jess' Hollywood themed reports, this week we look at the life of the iconic Marilyn Monroe! From a small town girl to the biggest star in Hollywood, we talk about her pretty terrible early life and her rise to stardom!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodCheck out our brand new website! (including MERCH!) : dogoonpod.comSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: https://dogoonpod.com/submit-a-topic/Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello everybody. Hello everybody. That's right. We are a very inclusive show. Everyone that is a person, no animals. Oh, I did not agree to that.

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Yeah. Chicken Bob or something like that, named after Gary Busey. I don't understand it either. Why Gary Busey? I don't know. I think that's just one of the go-to-night. It's normally a Gary. Gary Buse is one.

Another one is Calman Gary Coleman Yeah Sure Fair enough The list of Garry does go on Yeah

I like Barry Cable as well As another good one He was like a 70s football Anyway What speaking of cables And cabling Okay

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The way this show works is the three of us. That's you, Dave, me, Matt, and Jess, we each take it in turns. It hurts every time. We each take it in terms to do a topic, report on a topic, and this week it is Jess Bob Perkins's turn.

Yep. Did I say that right? Sorry, I'm still getting my head around your... Name? Yeah. My aura. Thanks so much for joining the show anyway. It's great to have you.

on. Two and a half years. Honestly. We're losing him. I'm fading. I'm fading. My old mind is fading by the week. And the way we get on to the topic of the show is the report giver.

Ask a question. Ask a question. Ask a question. And then David and I will try to answer it. And talking is proving difficult for me tonight, which is a bit of a worry. All right. So over to you, Jess. Yeah.

And I wrote a question. Yes. In honour of the website. It's the first thing I wrote. Do you call them Gestions? I do. Seriously, I'm so worried about him. I know.

I'm doing portmanteaus now. I hate myself. I love them. My question is, who sang the most famous rendition of Happy Birthday? Ooh. I think of the song. I know the Beatles have a song called

Happy Birthday. McCartney, I think off the wine album. I've got a good guess here. I think I do too. Are you guessing a Marilyn Manson type person? So, so close. Charles Manson. Correct.

We've already done Charles Manson. I'm doing it again. I think I just fuse best for Bob and Jesse. I don't call you best. Anyway, I might just sit this one out if you guys don't mind taking it away. Is this version of Happy Birthday? a certain Mr. President. It might just be.

Is this episode about Marilyn Monroe or is it about Happy Birthday? The song. That fateful day. It is about Marilyn Monroe. The suggestions, it's been suggested a couple of times. One person just saying Marilyn Monroe, two others saying Marilyn Monroe conspiracy theories. Oh my goodness.

Right. So it is about Marilyn Monroe. and I'm going to tell a bit of her life story and then a bit of a discussion because I mean you can't do a full report on six theories not really not in all of detail there's six theories it's about that so

wow is that cool you lost count somewhere on the way to six yeah I do that often I get bored like one two no fuck it who cares nothing matters everything ends the second time I said that tonight Jess everything right

no I'm feeling really hyper, which feels wasted on my own episode. No, no. Bring the magic. Marilyn Monroe, a very, a very iconic person. Yeah, an absolute icon. So, shall I? Please do go on. Fantastic.

Well, this is a great name. Gladys Pearl Baker. That's a good name. Married John Newton Baker when she was 15 and he was 26. They had two children together, Robert and Bernice. She filed for divorce in 1921 and Baker took the children with him to his native Kentucky. I'm getting to the point, trust me.

In 1924, Gladys married her second husband, Martin Edward Mortensen. The marriage only lasted a few months before they separated and divorced a few years later in 1928. However, somewhere in between, on June 1st, 1926, Gladys gave birth to her daughter Norma Jean Mortensen. I knew her name was Norma Jean because of that Elton John song. Yeah. Is that what he says?

Yes. Candle of the wind. No, I'm at a... Hey, Brady, Godly good. You know all those YouTube comments are like, These guys are just fuck heads. Correct.

Stop listening. Yeah, fuck you. Please go away. There you guys. Sort of that. The father's identity was unknown, despite the name Morton, being used on the birth certificate,

but Baker being used more throughout Norma Jean's life. Gladys hadn't been prepared for a child, mentally or financially. Norma Jean was placed in the care of foster parents, Albert and Ida Bolander. She's a lot of ugly names so far. Ida. Are you kidding me? It's beautiful.

I was it Bernice? Yeah. I mean, I'd say ugly, but also beautiful. Bernice is her sister's name. And... Benice is my sister name. You can call me Matt. Please.

Bernice is my sister. What about Norma? Norma's no good. Norma. The person that my parents bought their current house off, I'm pretty sure her name was Norma. Just a little fun. Really?

They trusted this woman? Now people are going to fight with my parents live. I quite like names that are boring man names that have been feminized. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like Norm, Norma. Glenda. Burn.

Bernie, Bernice. Matt. Matilda. Matilda's cute. No, I like Matilda. They've upgraded there, haven't they? Yeah. Tony?

Matt's a bit shit. Tony? Tony? Tony? I've never got Tony as a name. Never appealed. Tony's a great name. I've never understood Tony as a name.

Tony. I take it all back. Every name of said is great. Is there a feminine of Gary? Cassinda. Cassinda beautiful. That's a beautiful name. It's a beautiful name.

No, I guess not. What would you call it? Garinda. Perfect. What about Gary? Oh, if you just roll the R a bit. Oh, no, but it's a double E. Oh, Gary.

Oh, no. Like, like Marie. Oh, it's Gary. No, but because we wouldn't say it like that. We'd say it like gray, and that's yuck. Yeah, and that's what these people want. That's not what I want. They want horrible names.

Agree. I mean, my name's Dave, so. Yeah, we've got some pretty gross. No good. Yeah, we can judge. Dave. Dave. Like, honestly, when I think about myself, I'm like, I'm not a Dave.

How did this happen? What do you think you are? Norma. I'm a landlady. Okay You're all Dave Am I Dave It just doesn't

Please take your jacket off any loud I just bought a new down jacket And it is really loud And really fucking hot Wow I'm just going to take my scarf off now I was trying to do it so quietly That was so fucking loud

And I'm leaving it all in Anyway Matt do you want to remove any items of clothing It's strip potting now I just wanted the listeners to know that I have a new jacket and it is reversible. Two jackets in one. It's not.

It's still one jacket. Just two color options. Two color options in one. What's the other color? You got a beige or a blue? Well, you're not going to wear the beige ever, are you? No, it looks actually really good. It looks so good.

No, it doesn't. Anyway, I'm sad that I have to tell myself to go on here. Please go. Thank you so much. I've got two sentences in. So Norm has been born. She's a Mortensen by name. not Morton.

A baker by life. Right, but she's been adopted by what are the other people? She's just living in a foster care. Albert and Ida Bollander. Albert I like. Ida you're not a fan of. Ida's fine. I take it all back.

Who am I to fucking judge? I hate myself now. Shut up. I love every name we've heard so far. Okay. Well, Gladys actually lived with Ida and Albert as well. So like they're looking after her kid and a fostering her, but she's also living with them for a little while.

And they were in this rural town called Hawthorne. And she would commute to L.A. for work. And eventually she ended up moving back to the city because of work in 1927 because the commute was too long. Although I looked it up and it's like 20 minutes. But that's today. Probably was a little bit different. Yeah, when you're traveling by Hors and Car.

In the 20s. Yeah. Anyway. Which I imagine she was not. She still visited her daughter on weekends and she'd take her to the cinemas or they'd go sightseeing. And Albert and Ida actually, they did want to adopt Norma Jean, but by 1933, Gladys was secure enough to support her young daughter and she bought a small house in Hollywood for them to live in. However, the next year in 1934, Gladys had a mental breakdown and was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

And after several months, she was committed to the Metropolitan State Hospital, which still exists today. And it's a public hospital for the mentally ill. And she spent the rest of her life in and out of hospitals and had minimal contact with her. daughter from then on. Oh, really. So she just wasn't in her life anymore. No. And also I read that Norma Jean didn't know she had a sister.

She had a brother and a sister. Her brother died relatively young, I believe. But she didn't know she had a sister until she was about 12 years old or something and only met her much later in life. So, yeah, it's just her and her mom. And then her mom was in hospital. So at the age of seven, Norma Jean became a ward of the state. And her mother's friend, Grace McKee Goddard, took responsibility over her and her mother's affairs.

And over the next few years, she moved around a lot, living with different foster families and moving to different schools. Unfortunately, she didn't have a good experience in foster care. And she was sexually abused during her time living with the Atkinson family. She withdrew, became really shy, even more shy, and she developed a stutter. and she briefly stayed with Grace and her husband Irwin Doc. His nickname was Doc Goddard. Doc Goddard. Doc Goddard.

As well as two other families before Grace ended up placing her in Los Angeles orphan home in Hollywood in September of 1935. Holy shit. Did the Atkinsons ever get brought to justice? I don't think so. And well, that's where it gets really fucked because, hang on a sec. So eventually Grace became a little. legal guardian after the staff at the orphanage had the staggering realization that perhaps this child might prefer to live in a family home instead of an orphanage.

They realize that about her but no one else. Yeah, they're like, I just don't feel like she fits in at this orphanage. And they seen Annie? I know, that was a great life, wasn't it? A hard knock life. Well, got her heart, yeah, which I think means real fun time. Real fun time. So in early 1937, she went to live with Grace and Doc.

And this stay only lasted a few months because she was sexually abused by Doc. Oh, no. Don't make me like a guy's name and find out he's fucked. I wasn't going to let you go too far into the name Doc. Matt was like loving Doc. You weren't loving Doc. Fuck.

You're a bad judge. See, even a good name can be a bad person. Let that be a lesson. I've learned something here today. So I'm trying to move past this fucked stuff. So again, she was moved around a lot. Eventually, she settled with Grace's elderly aunt. Anna Atchinson Lower

and she was enrolled in Emerson Jr. High School and was an overall mediocre student but excellent in writing and she got involved in the school newspaper and she had a good few years. However, as Anna was elderly and started to suffer deteriorating health, Norma moved back with Grace and Doc again. Oh no. A couple of years after leaving their house.

That doesn't make any sense. Why? Why did she choose to or what did they make it? Her choice. Yeah, I was going to say. That's fucked. How old is she at this point? 38.

No, she was, I'm doing math. 12? Oh, my God. 12 when she's back because she's just finished junior high. Oh, what a nightmare. Imagine, oh, fucking hell. Maybe she was a little bit older because she was only back with him for around a year. And in 1942, Doc was relocated to West Virginia for work.

But because of the Californian child protection laws, which didn't allow a child to be removed from the state. She couldn't go with them, which is probably like a blessing, but also meant that she'd probably have to go back to the orphanage. Sounds like that's better. Yeah, but to avoid this, just after a 16th birthday, she married the 21-year-old next-door neighbor, James Doherty, and she dropped out of school and became a housewife.

Which is probably, I mean... What a... So you're either a child in an orphanage or a married housewife. Yeah. And she said, Marriage didn't make me sad, but it didn't make me happy either. My husband and I hardly spoke to each other. This wasn't because we were angry.

We just had nothing to say. I was dying of boredom. Oh my God. Her husband, James, enlisted in the Merchant Marines and shipped out to the Pacific in 1944. And Norma Jean lived with his parents and got a job at Radioplane Munitions Factory to earn her own income.

And this is where things really started to happen for old Norma Jean. Okay, good. We need a bit of something to click onto here. Yeah. That's it. Because, you know, she was bored. She was a house.

Imagine being a housewife in a time where there wasn't anything else, which I think this time was. There was no internet. Get out. There was no Netflix. There was no et cetera's. You know what I mean? Yeah. Far out.

What do you do with your days? Yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of it. She probably didn't even have an eight-screened cinemaplex in the nearing town. The nearing town, which is what I call the nearby town. The nearing town. Yeah. It's an olden days turn.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, right, right, right. So late in that year, a photographer named David Conover was sent to the factory she was working out to shoot some morale-boosting photos of the female workers, including taking a few photos of Norma Jean. And although her photos weren't used, she quit working at the factory in January of 1945 and began modelling for Conover and his photographer friends. Why, she didn't even get picked. Didn't get pictures like, obviously somebody was like,

You got what it takes, tuts. And she was like, I do. She moved out of her in-laws home, much to their disapproval. And she signed a contract with Blue Book Model Agency. She had naturally brunette curly hair. Do you know that? Yeah. Okay.

I don't think I knew that There you go Would she straightened and she died blonde Think it would gain her more modelling work Which is why I straightened and died my hair blonde Oh we know I did not get much modelling works I've gone back to El Natural

Oh And I have picked up a lot of modelling work since That's your hair That's not a choice Yeah Wow Okay Do you think

Wait you thought someone was going to choose this I thought that was like a statement piece You know Yeah it's an art piece It is I thought you were being edgy. I thought it was a hat. Dave wakes up in the morning and he's got six of the same ones there, ready to go.

He's like, hmm, which one will I wear today? Well, we better put on the Thursday. Dave, don't give away that we're recording this on a Thursday. There was a one in seven chance. True. She was hardworking and she was very ambitious. And by early the next year, she'd appeared on 33. magazine covers for publications.

What a hell. That seems like a lot. That's heaps, isn't it? A pill for one cover. What kind of magazine covers? Just all sorts of different things. Because she was more of a, her figure suited a pin-up style

more so than like fashion photographers. I think she was in quite a lot of ads and men's magazines and stuff like that. Men's magazines? Nothing. Yeah, she did like, she did do nudes later, but they weren't like playboy magazines. It was just like.

Yeah, right. I remember that. We talked to. She was the first. But, yeah, against her. He bought the picture. Yeah. He's a real dog.

But it kind of worked in her favor. And I'll talk about that a little bit later. Susal. The owner of the modeling agency. I wonder if she did like dog and gun magazine. Probably. Turtle and Hound magazine. Other things matched with dogs.

Other. Other and pup. Motor magazine. Motor and car and Carin Beagle Monthly Carin Beagle Monthly yes I mean

that was when magazines were at their height so you could any niche Yeah They picked two Put them together And you could find it So if you're into

motorcycles But you also collect feathers Yes Motorcycle Feather Monthly Wow That existed For seven months For a little while

It was weekly One week And then it's like We're going to have to back this off I do not have enough content for another week. Monthly, quarterly, and then once a century. We are due for a new issue in about four years' time. It's very exciting.

Greg's, he's been able to feather one bike so far, which made the cover and every other page. It looks incredible to be fair. But yeah, that is happening slower than we were hoping. Come on, Greg. Turns out you can't put feathers in or around the exhaust. They will set a light. Yeah. Which we learnt the hard way.

That is fascinating. That's publishing. You're going to set some shit on fire. That's publishing, baby. Rule number one. Put that on a T-shirt. Set shit on fire. The owner of the Modley Agency.

The feathers were, they had been lit first. So we probably should have figured it out. We also shouldn't have been lighting them on fire before putting them. After dipping them, especially after we dip them in gasoline. Yes, that was. Looking back. Gasoline, Dave. Nice international language.

Gasoli. Yeah, a bit of liquid petroleum gas. A bit of kerosene. Hey, Jess, do go on. All righty. The owner of the modeling agency, who was called Emmeline Snively. Okay, we're back in with a good name here.

Emmeline. Smively. Smively. It's fantastic. Emeline. Good morning, Mrs. Snaively. Sniveleys. Sounds made up and good.

She was impressed with Norma Jean's work ethic and her success and arranged for her to have a meeting with an acting agency. Paramount Pictures said, and no thank you. But she met with an executive from 20th century Fox. And again,

they weren't super impressed, but they decided to give her a standard six-month contract to avoid her signing with their rival. They were like, yeah, I mean, just to keep her on our books.

I tell you what, Marilyn Monroe was a 20th century fox. Matt. Yeah. It's also a person. I thought she's a real Paramount picture. Hang on Doesn't work so well

Oh boy I thought she was a real Spotlight Entertainment I thought she was a real Sit-U-Boo sit Good dog She was a real good dog Oh hang on

Oh no So she and Ben Lyon Who was the executive From 20th century fox That she'd met with Chose the stage name Marilyn Monroe Oh

It's an absolute belter of a name. It's a good name. And I can't tell you now if that's because it's her name and I know her and she's such a pop culture icon that I think of that as cool. But it just sounds cool. It does sound good. And the first name Marilyn was chosen by Ben Lyon,

who thought Norma reminded him of Marilyn Miller, who was a Broadway star in the 20s and 30s, which is kind of cool. And Monroe was chosen by Norma because that was her mother's maiden name. Nice and easy one there. Oh, I didn't realize that. That's cool. So Marilyn Monroe.

And later that year in 1946, she divorced James because he didn't support her having a career. So she was like, peace. Hit the road, James. Yeah. Which I think's great. Divorce is great. They also had nothing in common. Yeah.

Wasn't like they had the best marriage ever and he didn't support her. This is the one thing. It was both a shoot marriage and he wasn't supportive. I think that's probably enough crosses. Yeah, I think so too. I think so. Pio, Jimmy Boy. I think they've got to try it to work it out in counselling.

Do you reckon? Absolutely, I do not agree. I do not think that at all. Last too long to not fight for bad relationships. Agreed. I mean, we've got so much time. That's why I've been miserable for 15 years now. Fight it out.

Yeah, your marriage is terrible, but I don't think you should leave it. No, I never will. I'll die unhappy. Ha ha ha ha. It was a beautiful ceremony. Thank you. Yeah. I imagine.

The first few months of her contract were less about actual acting roles and more focused on acting, singing and dancing lessons. What sort of dances do you think? Was she giving them or taking them? Taking them. Makes sense. And Matt, you were around in the 40s. Yeah. I was a song and dance man through those years.

What kind of dance moves might should we have been learning? I was doing the Charleston back then. I was doing the Shiggy Shurman. I was doing the Fredison Stair. Oh, I thought. Is it true you invented that one? Yeah, yeah. Back then I was known as Greg Frediston.

Oh. And I used to walk up and downstairs every day. And, you know, one thing led to another. I'm like, hang on. Hang on. Oh, yeah. The rest, as they say. The Cincinnati Razzle-Dazzle.

Oh, the Razzleazles there. Plenty of great moves came out of Cincinnati. She used a Cincinnati shuffle. Cincinnati sit and squeal. Cincinnati. Sit and squeal? Yeah, the list does go on. What are you sitting on?

Pig. You should ride a pig around the dance law? Yeah, it was pig riding to be honest. He juzzed it up by calling it a dance, but really it was old-fashioned pig riding. Sitting squeal. It's the only way we could get our pigs into the dance houses, which is what we used to call nightclubs. I'm learning so much about your.

Your life. And history. Cincinnati history. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, are these the exact dance moves that Marilyn was being taught? That's word for word what I have listed here. No point in rehashing, then.

Oh, I shan't. Her first two film roles consisted of nine lines of dialogue as a waitress in the drama Dangerous Years, which was in 1947, and a one-line appearance in the comedy, this is so good. Scudder Who? Scott a Hey! The whole reason I left it in there. Did you have the line? What was the line?

Scudder who? Scudder Hey! She had the titular line. No, I don't know what she said. I need to know more about this film. No. How do you spell Sculler Who? S-C-U-D-A, new word.

Scudder who? Scudder-H-O. Scudder-H-H-O? Scudder-H-H-O? Scudder-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-A? Scudder. Scudder who? Scudder hay.

That makes even less sense somehow. It makes no sense at all. But I love it. It was one of the moods we were doing back in Cincinnati. Yeah, the Scudder who. The Cincinnati Scutter Who. And it won... It was a colon response dance move.

Skittibitaboo. Skada who. When I say Scada who, you say Scada hey, Skada Hey. Skada hey. Skada hey. Skada hey. You guys know it? It won eight Academy Awards.

You guys would love it. the dance houses back then. Dance houses. That sound like so much fun. I've never liked night clubbing, but I love dance housing. Yeah, me too. You just don't find out many good dance houses these days.

So yeah, those were her minor roles in that sort of first few months. The studio had enrolled her in the actors' laboratory theatre. Have you heard of it all day? No, actually haven't. It's an acting school teaching the techniques

of the group theatre. Does group theatre ring a bell? No, it does not. These things you learn about, You remember from drama school? Well, one particular name here will definitely ring a bell. A theatre collective based in New York City and formed in 1931 by Harold Clurman, Cheryl Crawford and Lee Strasbourg. Oh yes.

The Strasbourg method. That was fucking on the roof. He had a lot of theories about conceiving. Some people like eat a lemon if you'll have a boy. He's like, fuck on the roof. Get up on that roof. Tar roof, boy, colour bond, slipping out onto the ground and hurting your butt.

That's what he always used to say. It wasn't as catchy, but it was accurate. And that's all there is to know about acting. And Lee Strasbourg. That's he the method? No, who's the method guy? That's Stanislavski. Stanislovsky.

What was Strasbourg? He just had a famous school that's still going? And the actor's studio. Ah, welcome to the actors studio. The actor's studio was Strasbourg. Strasbourg was kind of method as well, wasn't he? Yeah, I mean, a lot of those people sort of... I think I talk about it a little bit later where he was teaching him.

He's pretty method, I think. But yeah, like the king, the method guy's Russian, Stanislavski. Right, yes, I feel like I feel like I verified a question on the chase about this. And I think maybe he, like, did he, he came from that school? something, but it's such a vague memory. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Well, I think the thing with a lot of theatre practitioners is, like, I think there's overlapping, you could say, you know? Yeah, because Stanislovsky is like over 100 years ago.

Right. So then other people take things from him, but maybe combine it as something else or their own theories. Similar to the idea of duck and goose monthly magazine. They took the idea of a duck, right? And then they said, how can we, how can we? We'd bring this into the 20th century. What's a more fashionable animal?

And then someone said, the immortal sentence, got a goose, got a hit. That old publishing cliche. And I know, like a lot of people don't know where that originated from, but that was actually the context. So that was Stanislavski. Yes. Wow.

He really is a genius. He's so influential. Wow. Wow. Wow. When I was in year 12, they did a, The Jitter Creative Arts Award at the end of the year. And somebody won for like art, like studio art.

Visual art. Visual art. Thank you. Music and drama. And I won for drama. Thank you so much. Please hold you applause. I had a funny feeling this story was going to a humble brag.

And did you also get the music and the art? No. I will not hold the applause. That is applause worthy. Because I only got one. Oh, whoa. Withdrawn applause. I said it, no.

Yeah, I'm confused. Did you not get the trip ditch of a war? No, I didn't get the trip to each of awards. Okay, so why are we talking about this? Because. Sorry, sorry. That was a real setup there. Because.

Were you a single threat? I was a single threat. And now I'm still forever a single threat. A goddamn single threat. A lonely threat. I could do one thing at a time. Anyway, my prize was a book by Lee Strasberg. Okay, we got there.

Fuck it out. He's the guy coming up with jeans. isn't he? Yes. Yeah, Levi Strasbro. He did so much. God, he was a busy guy. Deserves his own episode.

Deserves his own book, which Jess has. I have it somewhere. Her Maryland's contract with 20th century was not renewed in August of 1947. It was a six-month contract. They renewed it once, and then the second time it came around for renewal, they were like, nah, we're good. So she returned to mostly modeling work, but she was determined to make it. She's going to make it in Hollywood.

And she continued at the Actors Lab. This is one of my favorite sentences that I read here. She became a friend and occasional sex partner of Fox Executive Joseph M. Schenck. I just like occasional sex partner. I kind of like that. That's nice. That's nice. I also love people who end up making it who get a big rejection like that.

Yes, me too. And then go, I want this. Because I reckon a lot of people would never even made it as far as she did. But after that, being like, yeah, all right, you're probably right, maybe I don't have it. I had nine lines and Shaboo Chabal. I mean, my career is clearly peaked. Yeah, and I agree. I love hearing that.

And I mean, I think that's what makes those people the successes that they are. It's the same with like Disney, we're getting rejected however many times for a loan. And same with J.K. Rowland and getting rejected by so many publishers and just keep going. Yes. Eventually, podcasting will pay off. We're podcasting to the top, baby. We're going to make it in Hollywood. So she's a friend and occasional sex partner.

Of shank, great name. Shank. Even better. I like it more. Occasionally shanked. And he persuaded his friend Harry Con, the head executive of Columbia Pictures, to sign her, which he did in March of 1948.

So she's signed with someone else now. She began working with the studio's head drama coach, Natasha Lytes, who would remain her mentor until 1955. So it's like seven years. Her only film at the studio was the low-budget musical Ladies of the Chorus, in which she had her first starring role as a chorus girl who was courted by a wealthy man. During the production, she began an affair with her vocal coach, Fred Carger, who paid for her to have her slight overbite corrected.

There's a few sort of instances throughout her life where people just pay. for her to have some sort of... Plastic surgery stuff. It's kind of a little bit weird. Despite the starring role and a subsequent screen twist for the lead role in Bourne yesterday, her contract was not renewed again.

But the film Ladies of the Chorus was released in October and was not successful. Oh, right, because you said but there and I was like, here we go. But things were looking up when the film bombed. Because that meant she was even more rock bottom. And there's only one way up from there, unless another film bombs.

Drilling into the ground. Yeah. The next film was called Drilling. After she left Columbia in September of 1948, so again, there's only about six months, she became the protege of Johnny Hyde, who was the vice president of the William Morris Agency. And Hyde represented her and their relationship soon became sexual, although she refused his proposals of marriage. How occasionally?

Occasional. Well, I mean, he's proposing. Proposals is like... Proposals. Take a hint, bro. I'm thinking dozens. Yeah. Four times a day.

Come on. It does feel like that's how it used to be. Old school was like men wearing women down until marriage. Go on. Marry me. I really don't want to thank you. Gone. Marry me.

Come on. Double D, yeah. It'll be fun. Do it. Marry me. That's my approach. And then a guy comes in and goes, you heard the lady, she said no. How about me?

You want to marry me? Fuck off. All of you. To advance Monroe's career, he paid for a silicon prosthesis to be implanted in her jaw and also for a rhinoplasty, a nose job. I did not know that. And arranged a bit part in the Marx Brothers. So she had chin and nose.

How good is a chin job in the 40s? Chin job. That's sexy. Hair baby. Just a chin job. You realize that the actors were doing that back then? Yeah, really, I hate the idea of old school medicine and surgery anyway. Imagine, yeah, early.

It's got to start somewhere, but... I read something else that she had her hair line pushed back. And I don't understand how that works. I didn't know that was an option. Like he starts shaving at the front? I don't know. Or stretching the skin back? No, I'm really...

I'm not sure how they would have done it. I wanted to click on that link and then I was like, What an interesting thing to do as well. Very few people would be after that, I'd say. Yeah, it's a real niche doctor. So a few things are kind of happening for her, but her real breakthrough years began in 1950. She appeared in six films that were released in that year.

Plenty hell. Yeah. She had a minor appearance in John Houston's crime film, The Ashfault Jungle, Asphalt, in which she played. I just didn't want to hear, You thought are short funny. We're in a different country. Is that so Americans say asphalt?

Asphalt. We do put an S in there, a H in there that doesn't. Oh, there's not an H in there. Or we spell it differently. I don't know. This is just ASP-H-A-L-T. No, I think we've got an H in there. Okay.

This is asphalt, jungle. Concrete jungle, Weddrims are made of. There's nothing you can't do. But John Houston, he's a very famous director. There's a lot of very famous directors that come up in her lifetime. But she's starting to make it, right? Yeah. several Academy Awards.

So in that movie, she plays the young mistress of a criminal. And although she's only on screen for five minutes, she gained a lot of attention for her performance. Five minutes worth of attention? Well, she probably had more than nine lines, so that's good. Following her success in those roles, Johnny Hyde, who's representing her, negotiated a seven-year contract with 20th century Fox in December of 1950,

the people who had not renewed a contract two years early. I hope you got a seven-year deal. Seven-year deal. That sounds big. And in 1951, she had a year. had supporting roles in four low-budget films, but started to gain a lot more visibility. So she's not like the leading lady yet,

but everything that she is doing, people are like, whoa. That's it. Yeah, because I don't know if I've ever seen one of her movies. I just, for some reason I always assumed she wasn't a very good actor, but you're sort of saying she was... I think she's good. There's a conflicting kind of argument. Some people are like, she can't act for shit.

Others are like she's really underappreciated. I think she's quite good. she really steals the screen like you yeah so we'll just have a presence yes that's what it sounds like if you if you people were talking about you from a five-minute spot that's obviously pretty yeah exactly and it's not just because she's good looking it's yeah it's the presence that she has and back in these days this is what they call like the studio system or something right so back then you'd sign a studio and then you'd make movies exclusively for them that's right that's it yeah and it's very different now am i right yeah and she's part of

to do with that. Oh. Yeah. So her popularity with audiences was also growing. She received several thousand letters of fan mail a week. God damn. I'm not running back to that. Which I think she did.

I struggle to keep up with our emails in a timely manner. She'd be like Ringo. Still just working his way through. 30 years later. It's cute that he would do it. In her private life, Monroe was now in a relationship with director Elia Kazan,

who I mentioned in my report about Natalie Wood. He's regarded as one of the most influential directors in Broadway in Hollywood history. So she became

a top-billed actress in the second year of the Fox contract and gossip columnist. I mean, we don't have as many of those anymore either. Right, gossip columnists.

Flourable, Florebel Muir. Come on. That's a great name. That's got Angela Bishop beat by quite a distance. Yeah, fuck off, Angela Bishop. She named her the It Girl of 1952.

This is another one of my favorite things. And Hedah Hopper described her as the cheesecake queen turned box office smash. Cheesecake. What does that mean? It's just like a term for pinup. Oh, cheesecake queen. Cheesecake pictures were like pinups. Inside cheesecake boxes they used to have.

I don't know. I don't think it has anything to do with the cheesecake. But you also skipped over that lady's name. That was amazing. Heder hopper. Hedder hopper That's a name? Hedah hopper.

Hedah hopper is so good. And my name's Dave. And I'm not saying Hether with a weird accent there. It's Hedda. Hedder. Hedder. Which is, that's a German name. Hopper.

It's also a soccer move. It's a move? It's also a sex move. It's also a thing at the top of a document. Yeah. It's the opposite of a footer. What a versatile name. You guys are talking about hopper, right?

Yeah. Hopper is the name of a big bin. And a big Dennis. It's also colloquial for putting your finger in someone's butt. Doing a hopper. Hopperwate. Hopper warte. I just got that.

A rugby player who did that. Yeah. And got busted. It was his tactic. That was his tactic. To put the opposition off. He would finger the opposition butts. Just get a little thumb in there.

And he got a lot of trouble for that. Yeah, but probably not enough trouble for that. It was very effective. Yeah. Somewhat argued. It was a different time, wasn't it? In February, she was named the best young box office personality by the Foreign Press Association of Hollywood and began a highly publicized romance with the retired New York Yankee Joe DiMaggio, who was one of the most famous sports personalities of the time. The following month, the scandal broke when she revealed in an interview that during 1949 she'd posed for nude pictures, which were featured in.

calendars. Now, 20th Century Fox had actually learned of the photograph some weeks earlier, and to contain the potential disastrous effect on her career, the studio and Monroe had decided to talk about them openly while stressing that she'd only posed for the photos because she was in a dire financial situation. The strategy succeeded in getting her public sympathy and increased interest in her films, and the following month, she was featured on the cover of life as the talk of Hollywood. Wow.

How fucking good is that? It's a 1950s PR work. Yeah, good spin. Good spin. I would have been like just don't say anything because you've got a new chin now. No one will know. Different you. Check that.

That chin is at least 1.5 inches. And she used different names in modelling as well. She would be like jean something or, yeah, she used a few different names. So she could have been like, not me. But I think that's amazing that it worked. And there's another time later as well where she definitely like, she really spins it. She's a bit of a spin queen. Wow.

She didn't want to just be typecast though and she wanted to show her acting. range. So in the summer of 1952 she appeared in two commercially successful dramas. The first was Fritz Lang's Clash by Night, for which she was loaned to RKO Studios and played a fish canary worker. So that's

the thing where you were talking about before, like they, she's supposed to only make movies for Fox, but they released her. So they would have paid a fee to rent her, basically. And critics were really complimentary of her performance. The second film was the thriller, don't bother to knock in which she starred as a mentally disturbed babysitter, which was a good test of her

abilities. But it got mixed reviews, but it was still like, you know, something a bit different. Don't bother to knock. What do you reckon that's about? She's a babysitter, a bit disturbed. What's the story? Don't bother to knock because you're going to get fucked up, by the way. Oh, I was just thinking someone's on the loo.

You know, and you do like a, ooh, I'm in here. Yeah, don't bother. Occupied. Don't bother. Don't bother. Just go straight in. Okay. That's what I took away from it.

And what do you see that being like a 90-minute feature? Yeah. Yeah, it's one scene. It's just a conversation they have about, like, don't worry knocking. I'm not embarrassed in front of you. Just pee between my legs. Peep between my legs. Is it a one-shot?

One-shot 90-minute feature? Yeah, well, you don't want to. Very gripping. Now that's Stanislovsky. He does not miss. It just, yeah, it's amazing. It's a theatre of cruelty. It's what it's all about.

Okay. The other three movies she featured in that year were back to the stereotypes. In Where Not Married, her starring role as a beauty pageant contestant was created solely to present Marilyn in two bathing suits, according to one of its writers. Again, 90 minutes. In Howard Hawke's monkey business, in which she featured opposite Kerry Grant, she played a secretary who is dumb, childish, blonde, innocently unaware of the having. her sexiness causes around her. She accidentally wears two bathing suits. At the same time, it looks ridiculous.

But sexy. It's sexy ridiculous. I feel like I've heard of that one. Is that a bigish one? Monkey business. I think so, yeah. Well, obviously, her and Carrie Grant's a pretty big combo. And in her final film of the year,

which is because of, oh, Henry's full house, she had a minor role as a sex worker. So she really, she wanted to do, different things and push herself and show that she wasn't just blonde and pretty. And she got her chance with a couple and then like, okay, back to being blonde and pretty. Right. She gained her reputation for being difficult on film sets as well. The difficulty is worsened as her career progressed.

She was often late or didn't show up at all. She'd never remembered her lines and would demand several retakes before she was satisfied with her performance. That sounds very annoying. Yeah. Yeah. She also was very dependent on her acting coaches. and that usually irritated directors. And her problems have been attributed to a combination of perfectionism,

low self-esteem and stage fright. And also just like, I think it sort of comes down to as well. Like, it never happened when she was modelling, because I think you can be a bit more spontaneous with that. But when somebody, like you've got to do something the exact right way, it can be quite difficult. And then if you feel kind of vulnerable because you can't do it properly, of course you're going to then be scared.

Anyway. Takes a good director. And obviously they just went no fucking good. Am I right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 1953 saw her emerge as a major sex symbol

and one of Hollywood's most bankable performers. And? I was going to say boncable, but I decided not to. I don't even say spankable. Oh. Both gross, to be honest. Yeah. I don't like either of them.

Yep. But you put it out there. No, no, I was saying I decided not to. But you said it, though, didn't you? No, no, that I was saying that that, that, I was going to say, exactly. Bunkable. So I didn't.

So really should be awarded and applauded for not saying it. Thank you. Appreciate that, Dave. Straight white man. How dare you? When Niagara was released in January of 1953, women's clubs protested the film and said it was immoral, but the movie proved popular with audiences and gross $6 million at the box office.

So she plays like a femme fatale. There's a few scenes where she's not. She's just wearing like a sheet or there's just a towel covering it. She's playing a ghost. She's playing a ghost. Ooh, spooky. She's like a ghost. Yeah, and mother's groups were not into that.

They're not into it. They're not like paranormal activity. My kid is scared. Niagara made Monroe a sex symbol and it established her look. She'd worked with this makeup artist to really get her look right. The towel look. The towel look. He's wearing a towel.

That was a striking look. And like nobody else was doing it. No one else had access to that many towels. She had dozens. So many towels. Right. I wear a towel after the shower. Oh my God, Munro!

She influenced your life. Wow, is that where that came from? We're still doing it. How very Monroe. Say that next. Do you tie it up around your chest too? Yeah, we're just above the nips. Yeah.

But nothing down below. Nothing down below. So you've got a small floor. I wear very small tails. It goes from my nipples almost down to my hips. Almost too hips. It's an awful look. I don't know why I persist with it.

I love it though. It's basically a bar mat. Just wrapped around. Rapped around. I've often wondered what your legs are so wet. Yeah, I never dry them. Why bother? Always dripping.

When they're about to dry, I jump back in the shower. I don't know. hours a day. It's exhausting. I just want dry legs. They're constantly all pruning. Yeah. If only there was something I could do about it.

You got trench leg. But I'm very stubborn. From being wet all the time. You've got trench legs. Oh, fuck. Okay. So Niagara made her a sex symbol and established her look wet. Wet and in a towel.

The second film of the year was the satirical musical comedy, Gentlemen Preferred Blonds. And that established her screen persona as a dumb blonde. And her third movie of the year was called How to Marry a Millionaire. That's a couple of big ones. Sounds more like a doco for me. The dream. Yeah, I watched that film and by the end I was like,

I didn't teach me anything. I've learnt nothing. Where does one find a millionaire? That's what the YouTube comments say. I watched this whole fucking thing and didn't learn a thing. It was just people yammering like they were acting something out. And I'm still single. WTF, want my money back.

Dislike. I subbed and then unsubbed within minutes. WTF, where's the fiancé? All right, I like that comment because that was good. That was very funny. It featured Monroe in the role of a naive model who teams up with their friends to find rich husbands. Probably could have figured that one out. I mean, it just sounds like a hit.

Monroe's position as a leading sex symbol was confirmed in December of 1953 when Hugh Hefner featured her on the cover and as Centifold in the first issue of Playboy. Apparently she had posed for that photo about five years earlier, been paid 50 bucks for it. He bought it for 500. Amazing. Still, yeah, geez. Although she'd now become one of 20th Century Fox's biggest stars, her contract had not changed since 1950, meaning she was paid far less than

other stars of her stature and could not choose her projects or co-workers. She was also tired of being tightcast and when she refused to begin shooting yet another musical comedy, a film version of The Girl in the Pink Tights, which was to co-star Frank Sinatra. So she refused. The studio suspended her on January 4, 1954. Well, you don't want to work? Well, you're not going to work. How about that?

How about that? How about that? This is amazing. The suspension was front page news and Marilyn went into damage control mode to help counter any negative press and damage her reputation. Ten days after her suspension, she and Joe DiMaggio, whose relationship had received a lot of media attention in the two years prior, were married 10 days later. So it's like, okay, all right, you want to put some bad press in there about me?

Well, I'm going to have a famous wedding. So that went fucking nuts. Then she went to Korea where she performed songs from her films as part of a USO show for over 60,000 US Marines over a four-day period. and after she returned to Hollywood in February, she was awarded PhotoPlay's most popular female star prize. So funnily enough, she reached a settlement with the studio in March. This is literally three months later.

She reaches a settlement with them, which includes a new contract to be made later in the year and a starring role in the film version of the Broadway play, The Seven Year Itch, and she was going to receive a bonus of $100,000. Great. She's pretty damn good at that. She's a genius. That's amazing.

So in September of that year, she began filming the Seven-Yearitch, in which she starred opposite Tom Ewell as a woman who became the object of her married neighbour's sexual fantasies. The film was shot in Hollywood, but the studio decided to generate advance publicity by staging the filming of a scene on Lexington Avenue in Manhattan. In the shoot, Monroe was standing on a subway grate with the air blowing up a skirt of her white dress,

which became one of the most famous scenes of her career. The shoot lasted several hours attracted a crowd of nearly 2,000 people, and it placed her on international front pages, and it also marked the end of her marriage to DiMaggio, who was furious about the publicity stunt. Wait, what? He hated hot air.

He was like, you know I hate hot air. And that hot air's coming up from the sewer, am I right to think that? It's just stink air coming up. It's a very clean man. Stink air. Is that what it is? Is that what you call farts?

No, I don't call them anything. I don't... I don't acknowledge their existence. I acknowledge them and I don't, and I won't acknowledge them. Acknowledge what? It's a myth. It's a myth. What's a myth?

Now you get it. Now you're getting it. So she returned to Hollywood and she hired high profile attorney Jerry Geisler. Hey, it's me. You're a attorney. Jerry Geisler. It's pretty good. Nailed it.

Just a little pat on the back there. And she announced that she was filing for divorce from Joe After only nine months of marriage Oh no Well that's all there was the publicity Did its job Because he was like I'm mad about the stunt

So she's like alright fine You're mad I'm going to divorce you Yeah On my terms She's a fucking genius Mad about the stunt It sounds like a real piece of work The 7 year it was released the following June

And it grossed over 4.5 million at the box office Making it one of the biggest commercial successes that year. And after filming wrapped, she began a new battle for control over her career and left Hollywood for the East Coast, where she and her photographer friend Milton Green founded their own production company, Marilyn Monroe Productions. Announcing its foundation in a press conference in January 195,

Monroe stated that she was tired of the same old sex roles. I want to do better. People have scope, you know. Yeah, I'm getting pretty sick of sex roles as well. Yeah, me too, man. I've got scope. I'm sick of you guys sending me your sex tapes That

Nobody wants to see that You didn't send you You said you'd send yours if I sent mine That did that happen I've been drinking a lot You've been drinking a lot Your whole life Our whole lives

I've really stopped drinking very much at all Just by the bye What is that What's very much to you though I know I've really I've dropped, I've dropped the ball. That's an unhealthy lifestyle.

New me green tea, as I always say. When was your last green tea? Well, I can't remember that, but I, you know, I love the idea. When was your last beer? It's been as I cannot remember last week. Okay. I mean. If you can't remember, mate.

Can't want. I think. I can't remember. I was real drunk last night. No, I haven't. I don't think of it. Yeah, last week sometime, maybe. So she's no longer under contract to Fox because the studio had not fulfilled its duty,

such as paying her the promised bonus for the seven-year itch. And this began this long, a year-long battle between her and the studio. And she dedicated 1955 to studying her craft. So I'm just going to study my craft. That's great. What? How do they justify not paying her the bonus? I have no idea.

Sounds... A hundred thousand dollars gone missing. That seems really weird. She moved to Manhattan and she was taking acting acting classes and attended workshops on method acting at the actor's studio, which was run by Lee Strasbourg, as we mentioned. The jeans guy. The jeans guy, he was very busy.

She grew really close to Strasbourg and his wife, Paula. Paul, another one of those names. Paula. Receiving private lessons at their home due to her shyness and soon became a family member. They adopted her. They just like a family member, you know? Blood brothers.

Yeah, they cut their hands and then shook hands. Like all families do. Yeah. The Strasbourg's remained an important influence for the rest of her career. She also started undergoing psychoanalysis at the recommendation of Lee Strasberg, who believed that an actor must confront their emotional traumas and use them in their performances. Hmm.

That sounds dangerous. Yeah. I like to imagine her, like, strapped to a bunch of wires and stuff, but it's probably not it. In her private life, Monroe continued her relationship with DiMaggio, despite the ongoing divorce proceedings. Occasionally. She also dated actor Marlon Brando and playwright Arthur Miller. Bloody hell. The affair between Monroe and Miller became increasingly serious after October of 1955.

when her divorce from DiMaggio was finalised and Miller separated from his wife. Now, Miller was being investigated by the FBI for allegations of communism and the FBI opened a file on her as well due to their relationship. The studio feared that Monroe would be blacklisted and urged her to end the affair,

but she refused later calling the studio heads born cowards, which I think is like 50s version of pussies. Born cowards. You were, even as a baby, you were a coward. Yeah, you were. fucking born weak, you coward. You talking about me again?

Yes. Oh, no. That's that, Matt. Like, she was hanging out with, well, I mean, she's one of the biggest styles of all time, so it makes sense, but she was hanging out with A-listers everywhere. Heavy hitters, yeah. She wasn't just hanging out with them, Matt. She was hanging in with them.

Hang in there. By the end of the year, Monroe and Fox had come to an agreement. about a new seven-year contract. Why go to a different studio? They keep coming back. Fuck off. Give me the 100,000. I'm going.

Yeah, we'll give you a double bonus next time. Well, it was clear that Marilyn Monroe Productions wouldn't be able to finance films alone, and the studio was eager to have her working again, so the contract required her to make four movies for Fox during seven years. I think that's fairly reasonable, and the studio would pay her $100,000 for each movie, and granted her the right to choose her own projects,

directors and cinematographers. And she would also be free to make one film with Marilyn Monroe Productions per each completed film for Fox. So she has a Fox film she can do her own. That's a good deal. Yeah. Yeah, but you forgot that the last deal that didn't go through with. Yeah, that's the issue.

But they keep going to her like, no, and they go, no, we want you. I'm sorry. This is a fun little fact. In March of that year, she officially changed her name to Marilyn Monroe, having used it as a stage name for a decade. Right. But she actually changed her name to that. Oh.

Isn't that fun? Yes. Monroe and Miller were married in a civil ceremony at the Westchester County Court in White Plains, New York on June 29, and two days later had a Jewish ceremony at his agent's house, also in New York. Romantic. With the marriage Monroe converted to Judaism, which led Egypt to ban all of her films. Huh. Well, that is a fun fact.

That is, yeah, that's. I didn't know that. I feel like I've said ha more than normal. Huh. Huh. That right. The media saw the union as mismatched, given her star image as a sex symbol and his position is an intellectual.

As demonstrated by Variety's headline, Egghead Weds Hourglass. You're lying. No. But it's fucked. Egg and Hourglass are both kinds of timers. Wow. And they're like.

is going to survive all time. Wow, that's beautiful. I feel like we dumb down the knees now, but that is an amazing headline. That's so good, isn't it? But also just like... Egghead, where's now we're going? I click on that. I'd be like, what the fuck?

That's just all they are. Like, he's just smart and she's just a body. Yeah, like, egghead as well. Like, you'd assume that's Albert Einstein or something. Yeah. Playwright, Wed's actress. No, no, no, no. That is exactly how the conversation would have gone. And I go out and I'm like, come on, don't make us a joke, please.

I just want to, I mean, I don't even want to tell the story, but I've got a report on some, please don't make it silly. None, no, no, no, no. How about Egghead wedds our glass and everybody else just stads up and goes, Oh, sir, you've done it again. God, he's good. If you could have got a triple rhyme, that would have been the only thing that would have improved it. Egghead wed. Ed, egghead wed, drop dead.

Fred. Fred. We're going to have to change a few things in the story. Who cares? It'll sell papers. We're going to change your name to Fred somehow. Okay, so the first film that Monroe chose to make under this new contract was bus stop. Sometimes I like, I think if you hear, especially old movie titles, sometimes they just sound stupid.

Yeah, nearly everyone you've said. Yeah, that's why I've enjoyed the bus stop. Then again, I'm sure modern ones sound. stupid. We just have more context for them so we didn't think about it. Like speed. Yeah. Dead pool.

Dead pool. I like it. In 70 years you'd be like, what is that? Like your, uh, your modern reference was 20 years old. All right, man. But a great film and I'm glad you brought it. It's a good film. It's so good.

It's so. Hold up. Your man, Hopper's in that one, I think. And Keanu. And Sandra. Keanu Reeves in that. What does he play? And San Diego.

Sandy. Oh, she's so good in it. She's very good in it. I thought you meant the character from Grace for a second. Yeah, Sandy from Grace is in it. Yeah. Anyway, so Marilyn plays Sheree, who's a saloon singer, whose dreams of stardom are complicated by a naive cowboy who falls in love with her.

Oh, Adabaster? I'm watching. I'm watching here. She purposely chose costumes and makeup that lacked the glamour of her earlier films, and she provided deliberately mediocre singing and dancing for the role. That's how you get them. That's how you get him. And there was a Broadway director named Joshua Logan who agreed to direct,

despite initially doubting her acting ability and knowing of her reputation for being quite difficult. And then at first day, she said, I'm going to act shit on purpose. He's like, oh, so you're going to act worse than I think you already do? Oh, my God. To me, that feels like someone rewriting history. Yeah. The movie comes out. It's a bond.

Not too good. Yeah. Deliberally. Yeah, I'm a genius. I know Strasberg. I did that on purpose. Duh. Did you not get it?

Oh, you just, oh, that's cute. You didn't get it. Okay. Oh, that's adorable, bless. Okay, bye. So, yeah, the director's already like, but he actually kind of came to adapt to her being late for things. The experience changed his opinion of Monroe,

and he later compared her to Charlie Chaplin in her ability to blend comedy and tragedy. So she was really great. Bostop became a boxer for success, grossing 4.25 million, and she received a Golden Globe for Best Actress nomination. Again, the inflection is... But she lost. Oh, dear.

Oh, oh. Because if you just had a Golden Globe nomination, I would have been like, great. And she got a Golden Globe. nomination. It was weird that it had Golden Globe for Best Actress nomination. It's weird that it had that. You mean the thing you wrote? Yeah, the sentence I wrote was written poorly.

It's weird that it said that. These are why my reports are the third best. In August of 1956, Monroe began filming Marilyn Monroe's production's first independent production, The Prince and the Showgirl. I'm in. Lawrence Olivier had played the main role in the play the film was based on and reprised his role and also directed and co-produced the film.

Okay, well, there you go. That sounds like it would actually be good then. There were conflicts between him and Munro. Oh. He angered her with the patronising statement, all you have to do is be sexy and was annoyed by the constant presence of her acting coach on set. So in retaliation to what she considered was quite condescending behaviour,

Munro started arriving late and became uncooperable. stating later that if you don't respect your artists, they can't work well. I like that. I like how she did this new thing. I'll show you. I'm going to do this thing that I've always done and start coming late. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This thing I'm famous for doing all the time anyway.

That'll show you. But this is payback. And also, I'm the film's executive producer. It's like, I'm not in charge of this product. It's your film. Yeah. She's like, no, I'm not going to work with you. Yeah.

So that film was filmed in England. So once she returned to the US, she took an 18-month hiatus from working and she concentrated on her marry life. Her married life? Oh, thanks. Married life. Oh, that sounds fun.

During the... What do you see a marry life? Well, I thought you just mispronounce the word merry. Oh. Concentrated on her merry life. Her merry life. For 18 months... Everything was great.

It actually was really bad. I just skipped over some bad stuff that happened then. Okay, what happened? Just personal stuff. Oh, thank God. To me. Personal to me. I don't want to talk about it.

Okay. This is a tough 18 months for you? She had some health issues. Anyway. Is there a reason why dancing around them? No, just Matt will get sad again. Don't protect me. There's more people listening to this than just me.

Well, while she's on her hiatus, she became pregnant in mid-night. But it was an ectopic pregnancy and had to be terminated. And she suffered a miscarriage a year later as well. Because I have often wondered, did she ever want to have children? No. Do you know what ectomic means? Ectopic means the egg. The egg is, it's fertilised in the fallopian tube.

So it can't come out. So it can't, it just, yep. Ah, fuck. Yeah, it's not good. I did not know any of that. I was not expecting to come here today and learn about overall. tubes. And it's just,

that's not right, is it? Which upsets me a little bit too because, I mean, we've been doing this podcast for two and a half years and I've known you for at least a year before that and you've never asked me about my ovaries. Yeah. Just never came up.

Whereas I ask every day. He does. He messes me every morning at 9. 05 and says, how are your ovaries today? Don't you, Dave? Where your eggs at? And you always say,

tubular. Tubular! Where your eggs at? Where my eggs at. It's really nice. It's just nice that he checks in. Every morning. Every morning, 905.

Where my eggs at? Not where my eggs at. Yeah, I'm not claiming them. Okay. Where your eggs at. Where your eggs at. Where your eggs at. Where your eggs.

Where your eggs? Gross. Okay. Also during this hiatus, she dismissed Milton Green from her production company and bought his share of the company as they could not settle their disagreements. And she'd begun to suspect that he was embezzling money from the company. Oh. Munro returned to Hollywood in July of 1958

to act opposite Jack Lemon and Tony Curtis in Billy Wilder's comedy on gender roles some like it hot That's a good movie That is a good one It's a great movie Right One of the few I've seen in first

That's interesting how many of these titles I've heard of They sound iconic But I don't know if they are necessarily Some Like It Hot is one that I've heard a lot about I couldn't tell you anything about it. Heard a lot about it. And she's really good in it. Although she considered the role, the character's name is Sugarcane.

She considered it another dumb blonde role, but she accepted it because her husband was encouraging and the offer of receiving 10% of the film's profit in addition to her standard pay. Who's her husband now? Arthur Miller. Oh, that's right. The egghead.

Is it something her third husband? Yeah, yeah. So there's the first guy, Dredemancho. Arthur Miller. Her difficult behaviour on set of this film is now infamous. She would demand dozens of retakes, couldn't remember her lines or actors directed. I don't really get this. This is open to your interpretation.

Tony Curtis famously stated that kissing her was like kissing Hitler due to the number of retakes. Just because maybe you hated her? Due to the number. And Hitler was famous for... Like kissing Hitler. Taking a lot of... Kisses. I think it might just be like, by the end of it, it was like,

Ugh. I was thinking it was going to be itchy top lip. Yeah, maybe that's what he was going for. Right in the middle. Saw a guy last week in Sydney running a shop at a market with a Hitler mustache. Really? Could have been Hitler. He looked about the right age, real old. Maybe he's just a big Charlie Chaplin fan and no one's ever had their guts to tell him. Hey, someone else had it since and kind of killed this look.

Yeah, you can't have this look anymore. Sorry. maybe he'd had a shaming accident. Yes, even on each side. Yeah. He fell into a razor. Two razors. Honestly, we'll never know.

I mean, we could ask him. No, we'll never know. Monroe made Billy Wildler angry by asking him to alter many of her scenes, which in turn made her stage fight worse, and it is suggested that she deliberately ruined several scenes so that she could then act him her way anyway. But in the end, Billy Wilder was happy with her. performance and stated, anyone can remember lines, but it takes the real artist to come on the set

and not know her lines and yet give the performance she did. Yeah, it's that anyone can remember their lines. It doesn't sound like she can. No, she can't at all. I feels like a weird, it could have been sarcastic and people have said, what a lovely thing for him to say. It is the, it feels sarcastic. It is a stressful thing about acting. It's remembering lines. But I just say it's one of the key things. Yeah. And if it's, if it's like a, it's your whole job, it feels like you'd have nothing but time to learn them. I'm all right at learning lines. You've said that about me before.

Yeah, I, you're very good learning lines. I just, I feel like often when I'm doing it, there's not, it's a very short turnaround between getting the script and doing it. 100%. But if you've got it for a few days or something, you should probably. You should be able to learn it. I imagine that she would have had it for weeks beforehand. Wow.

Imagine that kind of luxury. I can remember anything. Remember that one of my famous roles when I called Ronnie Chang. a fuck knuckle no fuck not see i still can't that's all you have to say what were you playing a barista or something uh yeah there's that's your look isn't it i'm playing a farmer this week anyway i can i got range wow what you farming what kind of uh like it uh at a at a um cow breeding farm so i'm doing like i stick the the jiz into cows right do you have to do that for the role no there's a there's a someone

standing in. Why, you've got a stunt arm. Yeah. That fists a cow. I've said too much. I'm afraid of this is under embargo. Probably is, me honest. I don't know if I should have said that.

It's fine. Don't worry about it. Nobody listens. Despite the difficulties of its production, Sunlight and Hot became a critical and commercial success when it was released in March of 1959. And Monroe's performance earned her a golden globe for best actress. Pause?

No, that's it. She won one. End of sentence. She won a... Wait, what? She won a Golden Globe, the best actress. I didn't know that. That's great.

It could have been another nomination. I don't know. It could be how it's written. I don't know. It's fault. Who's it? I don't know. She wasn't it, girl.

Okay. So you think it's somehow Marilyn Monroe can be on the road? She also was a ghost. It haunts Google Docs. At all is coming around. I'm close. I'm getting close to. the end here. Sorry, I know I've been rambling for a bit.

Truman Capote lobbied for her to play Holly Go Lightly in a film adaptation of Breakfast at Tiffany's, but the role went to Audrey Hepburn, as its producers feared that Monroe would complicate the production because she was known for being quite difficult. Right. The last film that she... Audrey did an okay job, right? Oh, lovely. Wrong film. Breakfast at Tiffany's.

Heardine is great. And again, Hepburn's another one. She's just like she's very captivating. Yes, but it was the other Hepburn that won all the awards, won the Egot, right? Catherine. No, Audrey Heapurn's won an Egoat, but Catherine Hepburn has won four Academy Awards for best actress, and no one else has ever done that. But no relation. No relation.

Born in different countries. That's still fucking crazy. Audrey won an Egot. Yeah, she's got an Egot. Oh, no shit. If you haven't listened, one of our earliest episodes, Dave did about the Academy Awards and he talked about all that stuff. And obviously, I've retained all that. All of it.

The last film that she completed was John Houston's The Misfits, which Miller had written to provide her with a dramatic role. He wrote it for her. But the four-year marriage of Munra and Miller was effectively over, and he began a new relationship with their set photographer. So that's good. That was the first marriage that she actually seemed to be for love. Yeah, true.

One of them was for publicity. The other one was to not go to an orphanage. Oh, gosh. Yeah, and with Miller, people told her not to. and she was like, fuck off, I'm going to. The third one was with an egghead, so, I mean, well, when will the hourglass learn? That's what we're all wondering.

As the saying goes, she disliked that Miller had based her role partly on her life and thought it inferior to the male roles. And she also struggled with Miller's habit of rewriting scenes the night before filming. Oh, because she'd been learning the script all day. Exactly. Her health was also failing.

She was in pain from gallstones, and her drug addiction was so severe that her makeup usually had to be applied while she was still asleep. Right, so she's addicted to drug. How long she'd be on? Yeah, you never mentioned them. I don't really mentioned that. She was drinking a bit and also using barbatuates. Barbiturates.

What do they mean? What does that mean again? I think they're just like a depressant like a... It's great word. So she's under the influence of that. She's sleeping and people are doing her makeup. Which, fuck, if someone could do my makeup and I could have another 10 minutes sleep. I think you'd have to be heavily medicated to not wake up during.

I don't take 10 minutes to do. I don't wear much. Do a weird way to wake up. It'll be a waste of time. I'll just get up and do it myself. Forget it. In August, filming was halted due to her spending a week detoxing in an LA hospital. And despite her problems, Houston stated that when Munro was playing Rosalind, she was not pretending to an emotion.

It was the real thing. She would go deep down within herself and find it and bring it up into consciousness. Method acting. Sounds like it's meth acting. Yeah. Yeah. Probably because they're in her system. Barbiturates.

Okay, Google, what's a barbiturit? I can search the web for you. No, I know you can. You Google. What kind of a brag is that? I can search a web for you. I literally, that's your purpose. I even come with email now.

Now you're both looking at up, aren't you? Is heroin one? I think it is. Why is they need you? It's barbiturates. Barbiturates. Oh, barbiturates. Yeah, I didn't know that.

All right. Barbiturates. Yeah, it depresses the central nervous system. Barbiturates. It's often to put you to sleep. Yeah. I think they're very addictive. So Monroe and Miller separated after filming wrapped up,

and she was granted a quick divorce in Mexico in January 1916. She next filmed a scene for something's got to give in which she swam naked in a swimming pool. To generate advanced publicity, the press was invited to take photographs of the scene, which were later published in Life magazine. This was the first time that a major star had posed nude while at the height of their career, because most of them would do it before, I'm guessing. Or after. Yeah.

They say you get nude photos twice and you can once on the way up and once in the way down. When she was again on sick leave for several days. I was talking about boners there. She was on sick leave again for several days. Fox decided that they couldn't afford to have another film running behind schedule. That was a real sweet, poetic way of saying that. Running schedule behind.

It was already struggling to cover the costs of their film, Cleopatra. So on the 7th of June, they fired Monroe and sued her. for $750,000 in damages. Oh, that's a lot. After the director refused to make the film with anyone else because they were looking for a replacement, Fox sued him as well and shut down the production, so the movie didn't go ahead.

The studio blamed Monroe for the film's demise and began spreading negative publicity about her, even alleging that she was mentally disturbed. Fox soon regretted its decision and reopened negotiations with Monroe later in June. They keep crawling back. That's what I mean. It's so strange.

And a settlement about a new contract. contract, including re-commencing something's got to give. What was her tactic? Did she marry someone? She didn't have to do anything this time. So they were going to redo something's got to give, and she was going to get a starring role in What a Way to Go, 1964. What a way to go.

Do you reckon they come with a title first? They must. To repair her public image, Monroe, engaged in several publicity ventures, including interviews for life and Cosmo, and she did her first photo shoot for Vogue. So she's like repairing her good girl image. She famously lived You don't sound like a good girl

I'm fucking up your bit That's a joke of mine Which has very little context For our podcast listeners None in fact Sorry That joke not being documented anywhere Unless they've seen me perform live

Well I reckon they have 95% of them 95% sure Yeah you're right The other five What are you doing? Grow up Get out there.

Support live comedy. All right, we're towards the end, which you probably know what that means. Monroe famously lived at 1-2-305 5th Helena Drive in Brentwood, which was a neighbourhood of Los Angeles. Famously, I could have recited that address. Obviously. It's the most famous address on the world.

1, 2, 345, Brentwood. Yeah, exactly. You know it. Her housekeeper, Eunice Murray, Eunice. Eunice. Was staying overnight at the home. Why?

On the evening of August 5th, 1962. And Murray woke at 3 a.m. on August 6th and sensed that something was wrong. How time did you wake up? 3 a.m. Although she saw light from under Monroe's bedroom door, she was unable to get a response and found the door locked. Murray then called Monroe's psychiatrist Dr. Ralph Greenson, who arrived at the house shortly after and broke into the bedroom

where he found Munro unresponsive in her bed. She was pronounced dead by her physician, Dr. Hyman Engelberg. That is a beautiful name. I'd trust the man with that name. Trust him to pronounce me dead. Dr. Hyman Engelberg. Oh, my goodness. Sounds like a Hollywood superstar.

Is that a stage name? There's an even better job title that's coming up in a moment. He arrived at the house at 3.50 a.m. and he had pronounced her dead. At 425, they notified the LAPD. Coincidentally, he's a weird fun fact, weird time for a fun fact. Munro's first husband, James Doherty, was a detective with the LAPD at the time of Munro's death,

and he was notified of her demise before the press was contacted. Through his work? I think through his... They obviously would have known that connection. Oh, that's his X Y. James. Yeah. So empty medicine bottles were found next to her bed,

and the possibility that Munro had accidentally overdosed was ruled out because the dosage found in her body was several times over the lethal limit. So it's like you couldn't have accidentally taken that much. Her doctor stated that she'd been prone to severe fears and frequent depressions with abrupt and unpredictable mood changes and had overdosed several times in the past, possibly intentionally. Here we go. Due to these facts and the lack of any indication of foul play,

coroner to the stars, Thomas Noguchi. What a guy. classified her death as probable suicide. Coroner to the stars. If someone dies, he's on it. I've met everyone famous once they did. Coroner to the stars. Self-defined.

I've no idea. How fucked is that? Yeah, coroner to the stars.org. That's a real weird one. She was an international star, obviously, in her sudden death. It was front page news all over the country. and yeah, all over the world. It was huge.

And there are, as I mentioned at the start, quite a few conspiracy theories. Something like six. From this one article, yes. Approximately six conspiracies. And I want to point out that the source that I'm using for this particular part of my report is cosmopolitan.com. Great.

Right. Not coroner to the stars. Not coroner to the stars. So obviously this is trustworthy. Number one. It's a count up. Do you want me to start at six? Of course.

No, I want to start number one. Just call it number six. Number six. The CIA did it. Okay. Why? What do you reckon it means? They knew about her affair with Robert Kennedy.

Oh, Robert Kennedy. And saw her death as a blow to the Kennedy family. And this... Wait, what? So she wasn't having an affair with JFK. Oh, it was Bobby Kennedy. Bob and they wanted...

Both. Both. Both. So the FBI or CIA wanted to harm the Kennedys? It wasn't to cover it up. They saw it as a blow to the Kennedy family. Yeah. No, no.

You're saying that the relationship was a blight. Oh, no, no, Dave. I'm not saying anything. Cosmo is saying... Okay, political tensions were in an extreme. One theory says that Monroe's death was ordered by the CIA to get revenge on the Kennedys for the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. But why Monroe? As Matthew Smith notes it his 2003 book, Victim, The Secret Tapes of Marilyn Monroe, based on tapes the actress made with her psychiatrist weeks before her death,

the CIA likely knew about Monroe's affair with Robert Kennedy and saw her death as a blow to the Kennedy family. That is a longbow. What? I always thought that people... So you're going to talk about JFK at all? You will talk about him? Okay. Isn't that funny that people are saying this was obviously the CIA getting at the Kennedys

because it's likely they knew that Bobby Kennedy probably had a relationship with her. So obviously, surely they'd kill Bob Kennedy. None of these makes sense. Oh, good. And his brother's the president. Number five, Robert F. Kennedy did it. one of the first conspiracy theories to emerge after one row's death was that Robert F. Kennedy had killed her in fear she would expose their rumoured affair and put his political career and image in danger. Oh.

Hmm. I buy that. Yeah. You think that's more than the CIA getting at him? Well, that's why it's number five. They're getting more likely as Jess counts them down. Number four, RFK did it, but it was an accident. RFK. I love that.

I've never heard him as RFK. RFK. So it was an accident It was an accident How do you kill her by accident with drugs? They claimed that RFK and his brother-in-law, Peter Lawford, encouraged Monroe's drug and alcohol use

after she threatened to make her affair with RFK public. She's like, I'm going to tell everyone they're like, have some drugs. Let's just calm down with a lot of hardcore drugs. Yeah, there you go. One more can't hurt. Accidental overdose there. Have another Barbie, throw it down.

Yeah. Very strange. Number three. Yeah. Her doctor did it, but it was an accident. Oh, okay. In yet another book about Monroe, Donald Spotto suggested in 1993, that Monroe suffered an accidental overdose after lying to her doctors about her medication.

So these ones where someone else has done it right. Think about this. She was in there by herself and the door was locked. Yeah. They jumped out of the window. Jumped out of the window. Very good. Matt, mole people.

They burrowed through the floor. Yeah, and then borrowed back out through the floor. Number two. Very inefficient. Marilyn knew too much about UFOs and was murdered. Oh, I'm in. I'm in. Okay, tell me more. How did Marilyn get this information about UFOs?

Well, she was having a rumoured affair with President John F. Kennedy around the time of her death. Right, so she's banging both bros. Brows. Bang and both bros. And there's a 2017 documentary unacknowledged, and it suggests Munro had plans to leak top secret details about Roswell, among other things in an effort to stop the leak, and her rumoured affair with both Kennedy brothers, the CIA,

ordered her to have her killed. I wonder if the local policeman from the Roswell case has anything to say about that. Hmm, I wonder. Well, let me just tell you. Let me just tell you. Lamen is a long time to have been on this goddamn show and it's good to be back, I'll tell you that. Kennedy's, I've heard of them, obviously worked on to them

doing name. Before an M. Not in 14,000. Anyway, I'm going to talk about Maryland. Seven-year-rich. I was one of those with my wife about seven months, and it was seven months. I've got to get out of there, I said to myself. But she said to me, oh, you can't leave?

And I said, no, I can't leave. I can't leave. Never got to leave. And then, anyway, Marilyn, we've got to talk about Maryland. What do you want to know? Okay, yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure the president did it.

Oh, I've said too much. Gotta go. God bless you. God bless you. Thanks for something. Thanks for something. Bye. Let me just tell you.

Oh, Sheriff Goldworth. Oh. What does happen? Dave, you just missed him. Blacked out again. A long day. All right. So that's number five.

Is that she knew too much about UFOs. She was killed. And number one, Cosmo was split it into two. One A and one B. Not just making it a list of seven. It was a top set out of ridiculous. But we already said six.

It's like when someone's, you're writing a card. We started with six. We can't go back now. I've written, Happy Mother's. Yeah, I do that a lot. Fuck.

Okay, so the mafia did it. A PI, a private detective, Milo Spiriglio, made an accusation that Monroe had been murdered by Labor Union leader Jimmy Hoffa and Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana. So the Kennedy family would leave the mafia alone. It's all about the Kennedys, really. But, yeah, so the mafia did it. Or the mafia did it based on orders from the Kenner. Kennedys. It was either to get back of the Kennedys or because the Kennedy's told them, but something about the Mafia is in it.

So, okay, let me just, first one. Yeah. Kennedy's pissing off the mafia, so they take out. Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Monroe. Okay. They all seem to think it either. Yeah, it's, Marilyn Monroe being killed is really going to hurt the Kennedys.

Yeah. Because of a secret affair. Or the Kennedys did it. Quite the opposite. Yeah. Because of the secret of it. Yeah. So based on the orders of the Kennedy,

so a biographer called Darwin Porter had a book called Marilyn at Rainbow's End. And he suggested that she was murdered by the same person, Sam Giancana, who received orders from one of the Kennedy brothers to silence the actress and anything she was going to say about her affair. And he claims that five mafia hitmen entered Monroe's home and admits that a chloroform soaked washcloth on her face injected her with drugs and moved her to her bedroom to make the scene look like a suicide.

Guys, this is from Cosmo. Right. And was she definitely having an affair with the Kennedy brothers? Is that a thing? I don't know. What about this happy birthday, Mr. President? Do you know anything about that story? It happened?

Yeah, is that... Am I imagining that I've seen footage of that? Or I've just seen a reenactment of it? You've just seen Mr. Burns pop out of a cake and sing happy birthday Mr. Smith. That's probably what you're thinking of is that part. But I think, no, she definitely did sing happy birthday, Mr. President. But was she having an affair with him? Did you come across any of that?

Well, as it says there, I think it's rumored. I can't say 100% for sure if that's a definite. It actually didn't really say much. What about aliens? Can you say that 100%? Oh, yes, 100%. The aliens killed her because she knew too much. I mean, the only thing that,

That makes me think maybe something is going on is that she dies, possibly murdered. Then JFK murdered, Robert Kennedy murdered. That's a bit crazy. So you think aliens? No, I don't think aliens. What do you think? Are they connected? I can see how some people that like to see things.

And it is intriguing. I'm not saying I don't like to see things, Dave. I don't take for granted my sight, my vision. and that I have that sense. I'm very hashtag blessed for that. I'm very dependent on smell. And I smell something fishy. It's just...

So if she was murdered and then... Because those who are definitely murdered, it's debated about who shot them. But that's a bit suss. If she's having an affair with both of them. And was it all around the same time? Well, then within 10 years they're all dead. Yeah.

But I mean, a lot of people all died. Right. And then like these conspiracy theories happened after they're all dead already. So you're going, well, it's a bit weird. They all died within 10 years of each other. They must have been connected, maybe. No, I'm not saying that, but if she was having an affair with both of them, then maybe they are connected.

But I can't say whether they were definitely having an affair. And whether or not that came up as a rumor before or after and stuff. Yes, yes. I know. I wish I'd know at the time. You weren't alive, so. No. But I don't, I can see how, you know, that's very interesting.

That's one of the big conspiracy sort of ballparks And to slide in Roswell as well That makes it real juicy And you know who wanted to go to the moon JFK He was the one who started the And the aliens were like

Fuck off, it's our turf Oh my God So they sent five mafia hitmen Yeah, it makes sense Alien mafia Yeah Jeez Louise Well that's wide open

We have kind of cracked it wide open but also I feel like we'll never know. I know. It is a bit, yeah. But also like it's another kind of sad, it's a, she's had a pretty sad life. Oh, absolutely tragic. And the other thing is, would she be as iconic as she is now if she hadn't died? Maybe not.

She was only 36 when she died too. Amazing. So young. So young. So yeah, that's my report on the life of Marilyn Monroe and then a brief section on, on Cosmo. On Cosmo. and I forgot to mention at the start who suggested it.

I'm sorry. It was suggested by Christy Bryson, Macy G, G, and Sarah Clough. I'll suggest of that, so thank you very much. Thank you for the suggestions. And I can only presume that this is the second in trilogy of tragic Hollywood deaths. You know it, baby.

Oh, Natalie Wood. It's your second in a row. It is. Natalie Wood, then Monroe. Are you doing a trilogy? Well, maybe I'll aim for one, sure. Why not? I don't know.

Is Hollywood a place where there's a lot of... Tragic deaths, I don't know. I don't know if I'll struggle to find another one, but I'll try. Give it a go. I'll give it a go. Hey, as we do every week, it's time now for our favourite part of the show. And that is where we thank some people that support us through Patreon. That is right.

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Sorry, that do support us. They thank us in a way. We should stop fucking around by me and Dave suggesting things. Jess, you nearly always are better at this. Oh, fuck. I don't have anything this time. Oh, I was thinking stage names.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, great. Okay, yep. But we've done that before. We did that with Natalie Wood. But it's relevant again. This one, it's got to be an alliterative. Yes. Name.

Yep, got it. And it's got to be their mother's maiden name. This first guy I want to think has got such a sick name. I think as a general rule, all of our listeners have amazing names. But from Rockford. Illinois. Wow. I'm assuming I.L. is Illinois.

I would love to thank Jacob Gryfenstein. Wow. Jacob Gryfenstein. That is a hell of a name. Jacob Gryfenstein is another possibility. Oh, that's these alias. Yeah. Jess, what do you reckon?

Jerry Jumungi. That is a great name. That's a great name. That's got big star written all over it. Bus stop starring Jerry Jumungi. Wow. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it twice.

Me too. So nice. I'm watching it twice. I'm taking my mom. Because Jerry Jumanji is our favorite. And obviously Jacob Gryfenstein or Jerry Gryfenstein. Fuck. Sorry.

I've learned how Stein should be said. You forget every time though. It's Stein. I'm pretty sure it's Stein. Okay. Jacob Greifenstein. I think. And I'd also love to thank another absolutely sick name.

I'm just saying it. From, oh, no, I've lost him. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Oh, good Lord. No. Neither was helping you either. It's letting you freak out. I'm enjoying you freak out. What have you done? From Seamless.

Aberdeen Shire in Great Britain, I'd love to thank Grant cheese right Grant cheese right Dave, don't have a go? All right, let me have a go Foll your heart Green cheese right

Oh, okay Trent Yes, I like it Teleman Trent Tellerman Trent Tellerman Not Teleman No teleman

Got it, love it That sounds pretty good Trent Teller Man Yeah, I like that a lot Very good See, it's fun, isn't it? It's fun, but I mean, I just couldn't be cheese rite.

No, the best last time I've ever heard. That's fantastic. Good on your grand cheese right or Trent Teller Man. You're now, no. Can I thank some people? Please. I would like to thank from Spokane, Washington.

Oh, hello. Matthew Dennis. Oh, Matthew Dennis. Hello, Matthew. Matt, have a go. Okay. From one Matt to another. All right, I'm just going to blank my mind.

Okay. And then just come out with whatever. He's blanking. He's winding up. He's winding up. I'm blanking. I'm blanking. I'm blanking.

Fred Frennenstein. Oh, Steen, not Stein. Yeah. Spell double E. Fred Frennstein? Wow. I did not get this.

I got to stop blanking my mind. It nearly never works. Dage. What did I say? I'm just out there. Fred Frenstein. Fred Fredinstein. Sting.

Fred, Fridstine. Fred, E.N. Yeah. Fred Freddnstein. Thanks so much, Freddie. That's you now. Matthew Dennis. Thank you so much. And next up from the Isle of Wight. Oh, the Isle of White. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's very cool. That's very cool. Harry Green. Oh, another great name. I don't know what a Green's coming up. It's boring and we can make it better. Okay. How do we zing it? How do we make it pop? It'll blank my mind. I'm doing the weird gesture Matt was doing before, but it's okay. It works.

Open yourself up. Louis Landels. Oh, yeah. That is good. She dug deep. Louis Landels does sound like it. I think a blank day. That's a golden era.

Louis Landels. It's very nice. It's based on my friend Louis and the surname of my friend Sophie, Sophie Landels. Oh. Harry Green, no more. Louis Landals, you are now the king of the Isle of White. Yes. Congratulations, sir.

Now I would like to thank all the way from Oklahoma City. Oklahoma blah blah do. In come sweeping down the plains. In Oklahoma. Oh, I was hoping to go again. I'd like to thank Paul Valentine. Oh, my God. That's a stage name.

Vinnie Valentine. Keep Valentine. No, we've got to change it. It's so good. Valentine. Fine. I give up. What about this? What about Henry Hartthrob? Oh, yes.

Great. Yes. Love it. But he's not typecast in just heartthrob roles. Like he does action flicks too. Yeah, he can get gritty. Oh, he's so gritty. Yeah. Oh, Paul. Henry. Thanks so much of your support all the way. Love it. Yes. Yes. And OK, see.

And finally, I would like to thank from Brisbane right here in Australia. I would like to thank a very happy-sounding name. Alice Joy. Aw. Alice Joy. That's a great name. All right, let me think of something in here.

I love the name Alice already, but Joy is great. Grace. Garibaldi. Wow. Grace Garibaldi. Matt did not enjoy that. Oh, I did. You liked Grace.

Great. It's just a great stuff. Garibaldi. You don't have an absolute class. To me, that sounds like a name that requires a stage name. Yeah. Grace Garibaldi. No, that is, oh, you're thinking where's she from?

She's got the grace of grace. She's got the Garibaldi. Of. Garibaldi. Right. No, now that you say it that way, it's still fucking stupid. You don't think that sounds good. No.

You had Henry Hartthrob. That's a stage name. That's memorable. Sounds like a bonster. I'm saying Grace, what's her face? Garibaldi. No. Grace Grabber Coldie.

I don't know. Oh, see, that's great. What's a different name? I'm open to suggestions. Grace Grabeckoldy is a really good one. I'm happy to admit when I've been trumped, and I've been trumped with Grace Grabber Caldy. That's a great name.

Yeah, Grace Grabber Caldialdy. Alice, come on. You're happy with that. Grabber Caldardie. on us with your own money of course thank you so much in what way is it on us she gives us I made the suggestion

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I do. I got no bum. Neither do I. It's been well documented on this show. Matt, how's your butt? It will not quit. Great. Just a real workaholic.

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