Do Go On - 138 - Marvel Characters Special with guest NICK MASON

Episode Date: June 13, 2018

It's a special episode this week with special guest Nick Mason from the Weekly Planet podcast where we each do a mini report on a character from the Marvel Universe! Who do we each choose? Listen to find out!!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodListen to Maso's podcast here: planetbroadcasting.com/our-shows/the-weekly-planetCheck out our brand new website! (including MERCH!) : dogoonpod.comSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: https://dogoonpod.com/submit-a-topic/Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] AND FURTHER READING:http://marvel.com/characters/23/hawkeyehttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Hawkeyehttp://marvel.com/universe/Hawkeye_(Clint_Barton)#axzz5HnMdSRXfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkeye_(comics)http://ew.com/article/2012/04/29/avengers-files-hawkeye/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eORG3_vxYZkhttp://www.looper.com/116378/marvel-wants-forget-hawkeye/https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hawkeyehttps://screenrant.com/hawkeye-new-look-avengers-3-infinity-war/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/HawkEyehttp://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Jennifer_Walters_(Earth-616)http://marvel.com/characters/51/she-hulkhttps://screenrant.com/she-hulk-marvel-comics-trivia-facts-secrets/https://www.superherostuff.com/biographies/spideybio.htmlhttp://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/spiderman.htmhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/10/14/steve-ditko-the-reclusive-comic-book-legend-who-created-doctor-s/http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/steve-ditko-doctor-strange-c-v-r.htmlhttps://screenrant.com/spider-man-trivia-facts-you-didnt-know/

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And welcome to another episode of The People's Podcast. Fuck! Yes! Do go on. My name is Dave Wonki and I'm sitting here with some beautiful, beautiful people. So let's talk to them now. It's Jess Perkins, Matt Stewart and the fantastic Nick Mason. Oh, Mr. Fantastic.

Thank you. I've always considered myself more like Herbie the Robot. I always thought of you more as the rock man. Yep. My rock. Oh, thank you. Oh, thank you. Oh, thank you.

Because he weighs us down. Oh, Jess. Don't tell the truth is early in an episode. Nah. No, no, I have to learn sometime. That's true. Every podcast needs a ballast and you're ours. That's right.

Every podcast needs a fun stopper. Come on, guys. Stop it. Let's get back to topic. Come on. The people's cork. Stop the fun. It's Dick Mason.

The people's what? Cork. stopping the fun. Sure. Oh, okay. The fun's in the bottle. The fun's, oh, right, okay. It's a bottle of fun.

What are you keeping your fun in, Matt? Jesus. So that's the noise when they put the cork in. Yeah. How often do people put a cork in? I think of champagne, you're popping Maso out, and the party starts when you get Mato out. Well, consider yourself popped, Mason.

Thank you. Hello. Thank you. I can't stop. Some people count the, our podcast, is only having official episodes when you are on. So what official number of episode count are we up to? Is this six?

I think that feels right, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. We'll get to double things. Superman. For those who don't know you, you're a legend. Superman, you did a Superman report.

You've done a Marvel universe report. You were on for the Mothman episode. The Elvis episode. You're on for the Elvis, and you're also on for the live episode about Loch Ness Monster. So this is number six. Congratulations. Thank you.

If you haven't heard, Mesa, podcast, The Weekly Planet. We definitely suggest you check it out. You might know his voice from the beginning of every episode of ours from the last 100 episodes. A station idea that gets worse every time. We were recorded. Thank you.

More echoes. That's what people demanded. I was talking about you the other day to a friend of mine who I know listened to the podcast. And I said, oh, he's a guy at the start. And he's like, oh, the guy that threatens us. Yeah. That's hilarious. So you're like, we used to go easy on you, but now you have to listen.

If you could, if you wouldn't mind. The enforcer. A really lovely thing. threat. Yeah. And if you wouldn't mind. Please. Should we,

we're doing a new thing where we're getting to the topic a lot quicker than we used to? No, you're not. Yeah, we are. We're trying. We're trying to be better.

Yeah, that's all. We annoyed YouTube, so we try it. All the people of you. YouTube do not count. Do not. YouTube will complain about anything. We're trying to be YouTube superstars. Oh, okay, then carry on then.

Our dream is to have a video with one billion views and no dislikes and no negative comments. Is that possible? You could recreate Gangnam style That would probably get you a billion views The musical song Yeah

The musical song I'm sure no one dislikes that video No Well that's got a billion views I think That's stupid One billion views That's a great amount of views Well done

Sye The singer of the song No I know Well done Well done Don't look at me like I'm dropping some In case you were thinking

I meant the exhale Hmm But do you think Don't most people love the waffle? I love the waffle. I love the concept and the food product. Sticking together is what good waffles do. There's the Simpsons reference, yes.

Like to get them out of the way early as well. Now let's fucking get into it. So there's actually going to be four mini reports today, each of them about a different Marvel character, which is it? Marvel, if you don't know, is like a superhero universe where people have powers. Some of them do,

and some of them are just real good people. All right, let's get Mason explain what Marvel is. Look, there are some people, and some of them have superpowers, and some of them are just real good people. Oh, I like the good people. Yes, now let's get Jess to explain what Marvel is. You see, the thing is,

Marvel is where a bunch of people exist. Yes. Some of them are just all around good people. Yes, okay. A few of them, some sneaky superpowers. Oh, hello. Yeah. Something that some people might not realize is some of the people there are also bad.

And they're the ones who tend to really get up the grills. Oh, yes. And in the grills of the good people that we were talking about just before. So you've got two sides of the one coin there. And that coin is Marvel. Wow. It's a real hero and villain situation, isn't it? Yeah, that's a really good analogy.

It feels like up another level. Yes. Yeah, because some of them fly in the sky. Correct. If you do not know what Marvel is, you should go back to our episode about the Marvel Universe, and we explain it even better than that. Or you could just go to a theatre and just go into a random cinema.

You've got about a 50-50 chance of seeing a Marvel movie at this point. If you don't know what Marvel is, then you have been living in a bunker for approximately 15 years. I've been watching a lot of Kim's shit. I know a guy who used to live in a bunker, but I won't talk about him because we don't do that anymore. No, no, we can't sleep this episode. Oh, okay, I know I get it.

I'm a little bit behind, but I get it. I thought we agreed before this. They're talking about me. Dave, Dave, I grew up in a bunker when it was younger. No big deal. A sand bunker. Golf camp went really wrong. I think that I really did in grade six.

Golf camp. Oh, yeah. You didn't think that I could swing a wood, but I can. Oh, okay. How long is golf camp? I'm also good at golf. Oh. How long is golf camp?

I think it's probably good for you because it's a tiny club and your little hands can get around. That's right. I even had a mini set. Fuck off. I had a little left-handed club when I was, my dad just took me to the driving range. You give me my own bucket of balls and away I'd go. That's a beautiful memory. Also a lefty.

Whenever I would go to like the driving range, your only options are like a golf club that's like six feet tall. It's like two feet tall. Like there's no middle grade. I'll take the two foot tall, please. I'm not sure that I knew that you were a lefty. Well, there it is. God, yes, I knew I like you. And to bring it all and make Matt feel like the outcaste here,

when I play off, I am left-handed. So Matt, how does it feel to finally... That's weird. I'm normally such a cool popular one with everyone on board with me. What? Now I feel like I've treated everyone so poorly. I remember all those times or I marginalised those who were different from me. Yes.

Like the X-Men did. Oh, this guy's good. Like, they're from Marvel. That's something that people don't know. I reckon new people to Marvel don't realize that X-Men is Marvel as well, and so is... The Fantastic Four is Marvel. Deadpool, Marvel. So there's different cinematic universes, but the Marvel Cinematic Universe, we're talking about the broader Marvel Universe, the comic book universe.

Yeah. Anyway, let's get into the fucking show. Now, Mesao, we, the three of us, know what topic we're doing. That's true. So we told you so that we made sure there was no double-ups. Yes. Is there some sort of logical order that we should go in?

I think, to the best of my recollection, Dave's character was created first. Okay. And then Matt's was and then just yours was. That makes sense, too. Chronological order. Because I'm just, I'm new age. I'm hip and modern and stylish.

Wait, you didn't choose. modern woman, did you? You'll have to wait and find out. Okay. Sitting on the edge of my seat. Modern girl, anyway. Dave, kick us off. All right, I've got a question for you all.

Mayo, you can't answer because you know the answer. Fuck, I didn't write a question. I never do. Anyway, yep, go on. My question is, in 2013, which Marvel character outsold the Avengers, Batman and Superman combined? 2013.

So that's it. Not in movie, profit, but in terms of merchandising and things like that, making them very, very popular. Can you ask that one more time? It feels like we should know this, Jess. So, 2013, which character outsold the Avengers, Batman and Superman combined? 2013, yeah. That was the most recent statistic I could get.

This was according to CBS. I feel like, wait, wait, was Batman one of the? No, it's going to be a Marvel thing? Okay, good. That could have been a mistake I, man. It's good to eliminate early. Spider-Man. is very popular.

It's Spider-Man. Web, web, web, web. I shot them in the face. Is that something he does? Shoot people in the face? Does he use these webs to blind people? He doesn't say... I mean, not permanent.

No, but as he say web. Just as a prank. Web, web, web. The traditional onomat of Peter for Spider-Man, I think, is Thwhip. Right, Thwhip. That is such a cool word. Yeah, Thwhip. I agree. It's not web.

Swip your hair back and forth. Like that song from a few years. Go. Web your hair back and forth. Well, it could be. But it isn't. Well, I'm working on a few things. All right.

A few singles. All right, tell us about Spider-Man. I've chosen Spider-Man. So it was all a mini-reports, so I've decided to, because Spider-Man is obviously a massive topic, massive character. And we all know a lot about him. He's actually, he's a small man. He's a teenager. Yes.

He's 5'4-9. That's taller than me. Carry on. His hair is brown and his eyes are hazel. Oh, Dave. I can't surprise him with anything. Those might be wrong. I don't know.

No, it says here, Hazel. No, what? No, it doesn't. Okay. I've decided to focus on the early days of the man with spider abilities. Thwip. Thwip. Thwip.

Every time you turn the page, you can go thwip, just so we know how to read along. It would be good. And focus on his creators. Don't say who they are. Do you know who they are, the two people? Don't say them. Do you know who they are? I'm guessing

Stanley Stanley and Jeff Kirby Jack Kerouac Wow slumming it in the world of comic books John Cusack

John Cusack Yes J.K. Rowing J.K. Cusack Oh What's his name? Is it that guy? Jack Kirby

Jack Kirby It is not Jack Kirby Which is what I thought it would be Don't keep guessing Because you won't know Matt Oh Bronson Neopold the 15th What a family line.

Somehow stumbled upon the correct answer. And I look very embarrassed. You do look embarrassed. All the time. Get this face off, I was going to say. Anyway. Nicholas Cage movie. John Travolta.

Classic. It is good. It is a great film. It really is. This is silly already. Thwip. Okay. Spider-Man, Thwhipped into the world in 1962

in Amazing Fantasy Volume 15. A monthly issue originally titled Amazing Adventures for the first six issues and then the next date were called Amazing Adult Fantasy, which to me sounds like something completely different. What's your amazing adult fantasy, Dave? A Thwip Thwhip, Thwhip. Swip it out. Thwip it good.

The great Stan Lee, who we've talked about on Meso's history of Marvel episodes, had an idea for a new superhero, initially called Spider-Man. Oh, initially. So he's kept that, okay. Just first drafted it. With no hyphen. There's a hyphen? Yeah, there's a hyphen.

Fact, fun fact, hyphen. Is that hyphen canon? Thwipman. Spy hyphen de man. That'd be much better. Artistic license, you can put it wherever you want. Sometimes it's spider mat. No, so originally it had no hyphen.

I mean. I'm putting the hyphen right. at the end. Spider-Man. That's when you couldn't get the handle. You have to put a hyphen at the end. At Spider-Man hyphen. So we wanted a character called Spider-Man

and had initially asked legendary artist Jack Kirby, Matt's friend. On the road. Great novel. It's seminal. Thwip, thwip. So he asked Jack Kirby to pencil the accompanying art. But Lee found Kirby's work too straightforwardly heroic.

for this character. Oh. So he recruited Steve Ditko. Oh, Ditko. Steve Ditko. A man who had started his career by drawing horror titles. Ooh.

So it's a bit edgier. Just the titles. Bit edgier. So he just did a lot of that ghostpubs riding or like a dripping blood. He invented that. Wow. Dun,

he only draw to that. He only draw to that theme of music. Dun, dint. On paint, that's called Ditko. Oh, that's not true. is it? I can't.

Confirm nor deny. Yep. I can't. I can't. I can't. In his autobiography, have you read that? Steve did go's autobiography? No, Lee.

I was about to say, sorry, Stan Lee. I don't think so, no. I imagine he's got a few different books going on. You call yourself a nerd. Do you call yourself a nerd? No. How dare any of you? Yeah, kind of.

It says that on your business card, doesn't it? My business cards say the talent and talent is in quote marks. Oh, I love that. You actually have one. No, yeah, you are a nerd. I'd love to see. I want that. I need that.

Give it to me. So in his autobiography, Stanley cites the non-superhuman 1930s. No Jess. Sorry, I was stammering on that for quite a while. I think you, how long had passed? Well, we've missed Jesses,

and now it's on your topic. I just want to talk about Stanley's autobiography. He says, the non-superhuman 1930s and 40s Pulp magazine crime fighter the spider was a great influence

if only he could make the spider some sort of man what was the spider previously a spider? Let me tell you the spider character that inspiredly

was millionaire playboy Richard Wentworth Do you know much about him? Dick Wentworth Look if I can if I could summarize every pulp hero like in one brief paragraph

it's just a guy with a mask and two guns he's got a trench coat and a hat and probably a little face covering and he's got two guns and he just shoots people in the mob. That's all of them.

Well, you're pretty spot on because my next two words were masks vigilante. The stories often involved a bizarre menace to the country and a criminal conspiracy and were often extremely violent with death tolls routinely

running into the thousands. Isn't that outrageous? Thousands of people are dying in this comic. It's crazy. He's kicking them all to death. Well, the story's often. and went worth killing the villains and stamping their corpses with his spider mark. Oh, like he's branding them.

Yeah, he branded the dead body. That's weird. Where are these thousands of people coming from? No, it's amazing. They're all bad, I'm guessing. He just keeps blowing up peak hour trains. Seriously, I think the villain is killing thousands and thousands of people before the spider catches up with them. Oh, hurry up, spider.

No, he's not doing a great job. Imagine if that was reality, how much smaller our current world. population and be think about that really make you think doesn't make a but Stan Lee

was like what about a hero that actually saves some people from time to time wait so the spider was a bad guy no

he stopped the person killing thousands of people why did he stamp their faces to be like don't do that again even though they're dead it worked

every time they didn't do it again no repeat offenders he saw a correlation between him stamping them and the crime he was really

more about education okay Rehabilitation. Yes. Mess with me and you'll get killed. Also, I'll mark your corpse. Out of ten.

You won't do it again. Capiche? Cops. Rigidity, seven. Getting harder for the minute. Putrefaction. Ooh, that's a three, but could improve. Ability to keep eyes open.

Terrible. Out of ten. Okay. Terrible out of ten. Yeah, that's a bad. Dave's ability to mark out a 10 out of 10. Terrible. So Stanley wanted a spider man.

And he got Steve Ditko to draw the character. Lee and Ditko had worked together for years and their method was basically Lee would throw a story idea to Dickko, a little more than an outline. And the artist would develop a sketch version, rough out some dialogue and even conceive an overarching plot. That's the, I remember that's what Mesa said. The Marvel method, yes. So it would be... The artist to do all the work. Stanley going, oh, I just think there's like a guy.

Yeah, I mean, filling the blanks from there. Oh, this is great. This is a great co-creation of ours. Maybe you can be in a fight sequence. Just crunch out the details will be fine. I've given you the main bones of that. You're just feeling a bit of the meat. Like all of the meat.

Didco added key ingredients or key meat, inventing the spider sense of danger, the spidey sense, as well as designing iconic baddies like the green goblin and sandman. Ah, who was in... Thomas Hayden Church. of Sideways fame. Yes. Spider-Man 3.

Ah, yes. Sandman, bring me the news. Da-ba-ba-ba-ba. Am I singing the song, right? I don't think I am. Steve Dickett also wrote that song. Yep. Please bring me your magic beans.

Mr. Sandman, give me a scene. Man, that was beautiful. Thank you. That was incredible. Thank you. Is that even, that is a song, though, isn't it? Some of that? Some of that is a song.

And is it Sandman related? Yeah. Okay, great. Isn't that barbershop quartet type thing? Mr. Sandman? Can we go on? According to superherostuff.com. Yes, new faith website.

That's my new... We're on there as well. Loved it. My new home screen. Ooh. Ooh. Do you have a widget on your phone? Yeah, I got a widget.

Yeah, great. I know tech shit. Well, this is from Jess's favorite website. The first Spider-Man story was originally intended as no more than a one-shot experiment, a one-thwhip experiment, if you will, and almost didn't get into print at all. This is a quote here from Lee. Martin Goodman, who founded Marvel, we talked about on Mace's episode, didn't want to publish

it, recalls Stan Lee. Goodman was convinced that readers would find the subject of spiders distasteful. Ew. It makes me feel, lull. Yucky. Yucky. It's not dinner table. Dinner table sort of discussion topics.

Those are spiders. No, no, no. Could you just make it about a man? Just a man? The less offensive part of that title. Lee later said that the fact that it had already been decided that Amazing Fantasy would be cancelled after issue 15 was the only reason good all, sorry,

Goodman allowed him to use Spider-Man. So he knew that that was the last edition of this thing ever. So who gives shit? You can have you Spider-Man. So this is what happens in the first ever Spider-Man story, again taken from superhero stuff.com. Have you read the original one, no, sir? Well, not the original original one. Oh, okay, well, call yourself a fan.

But I've read this, yes. Call yourself a nerd. Do you call yourself a fan? You a Spider-Man fan? I'm Spider-Man fan, yeah. Spider-Man fan. I hate myself. I'm so sorry.

I'm so tired. Was that the theme song of Fireman Sam? No. Okay, good. Oh, I don't know, actually. Hey, Dave, can I ask why you chose the Spider-Man? Now, I chose the Spider-Man because the... So Marvel sent us a pair of shoes each, which is very, very nice.

And I chose the one with the different faces of characters on there. There's the Hulk, there's Iron Man, Thor, etc. And I wanted to choose one of those characters. So if anyone ever stopped me in the street and was like, tell me about your shoes, I'd be like, well, here's some Spider-Man facts. Thip to the face. Dave, don't thwhip to the face. Not on the street.

Sorry, sorry. Stop fucking it out. Yeah, I chose Spider-Man. And also, you know, a famous character. He's a nerdy little weedy man. I had a few comics growing up. Didn't buy that many. Stole them.

I get it. Yes. Solomon at the supermarket. Most of them were the Phantom, which I get bullied for by everyone. I understand. But some of them were Spider-Man comics. I was a fan as a kid. I just had Archie comics, so, you know.

Oh, they're pretty cool. I just had Tizum comics. Do they have comics? Yeah. Yeah, they did, yeah. Oh, that's really cool. Hey Dave Okay

The first Spider-Man story I'm trying to tell you about it I know I'm trying to tell you to tell me about it In the original story from August 1962 Peter Parker is a bookish bespectacled high school student

Isolated and unpopular Probably because he has glasses A nerd Dave do you find that relatable Well it didn't wear glasses But everything else Is also unrelated to me I just played golf

At a golf camp Okay Just remember he was in a scar band. I think he was cool, okay. Scooby-b-ba-ba-ba-ba-p-p-b. I wasn't in a scat-man. That it would have been cool.

Oh, if you were scat-boy. Let me silence the bullies with a bit of scat. Ski-l-da-pap-pap-pap-pah. I never saw it coming. I never saw it coming. It's all the same to me. I don't relate to this next bit. He's an orphan.

and lives with his elderly relatives, Aunt May and Uncle Ben. While attending a science exhibit, Peter has been by a spider that has accidentally received a dose of radioactivity. Whoa. Can you imagine such a thing? As a result. Sorry, I just didn't know this.

Whoa. I'm easily impressed. Hang on. Freak out. The character is Spider-Man, and in his story, a spider exists. Yes. Whoa. I know what you're thinking.

This is pretty distasteful. Put it away, mate. It's disgusting. But as a result of this spider, Peter acquies the agility and proportionate strength of an arachnid, sciencey word for spider. Okay. He's trying to break it down.

Why don't they call him arachnid boy? Good question. That must be a thing that comes up a bit, that he's called man even though he's a boy. Arakna lad. Is that, did he choose the name? I mean, I just don't know. No, he doesn't.

I don't think he does. I think Dave might get to that. I think the name is chosen for him, if I recall. You're going to get to that? I'm not going to get to them. That's interesting. Yeah, because I guess they didn't know who he was. Well, continue, we'll find an appropriate place to jamming in.

He sows his own superhero uniform. I didn't know that. And uses his scientific. knowledge to build mechanical devices that eject sticky webbing, but he is less interested in fighting crime than in making a buck. Disguised as Spider-Man, he becomes a professional

wrestler. The ring announcer calls him Spider-Man. Ah. He starts out as a wrestler. And demonstrates his abilities on television. He blithely ignores the chance to stop a fleeing thief, but his indifference ironically catches up with him when the same criminal later robs

and kills Uncle Ben. Oh, right. And then there's the famous Uncle Ben line about about, you know, just believe in yourself, boy, I love you. I'll get to that line. That's always saying that, yeah. Believe in yourself, boy, I love you.

He's always telling it to younger superheroes. Your new nickname is Uncle Ben. Thank you. Believe in yourself, boy. I love you. It's so cute. Whenever he's kicking a bad guy into the paddy wagon, that's what he leaves him with as well.

Love you. Love you. Eventually Spider-Man subdues the murderer. But for a tearful Peter Parker, there is no peace. He wanders remorsefully off into the night to the accompaniment of Lee's now famous caption. I'm proud of you, boy. Love you.

With great power, there must also come. Great responsibility. That's the subtext if you read between the lines. I don't know that it is. Love you. So that's the first issue. production of Spider-Man was an unexpected hit and a few months later they got the sales figures and it turned out that that issue was one of their best sellers ever.

Whoa. So they were very, very surprised by this. So of course, the unexpected success of Spider-Man... Who would have known that the American people wanted such smart? I know. Such a distasteful... Craved it. So, of course, now he's popular.

Marvel are like, well, he's got to have his own... I know we nearly said no to this, but now he's going to have his own comic book. Whoa. But because it was so unexpected, it took... Time to develop the art of The Amazing Spider-Man number one debuted the next year in March 1963. Eventually it would become Marvel's top-selling series. It was a hit with the kids of the 60s.

In fact, a 1965 Esquire poll of college campuses found that college students ranked Spider-Man and fellow Marvel hero the Hulk alongside Bob Dylan and Che Guevara as their favorite revolutionary icons. Wow. That is one. They're dumb. They're dumb. We spoke about Chey a couple of them.

Hulk smash. What a revolutionary. He's changing everything. Wow. So the co-creator Steve Ditko departed in 1966 after issue number 38 and has become a legendary comic recluse. In 1966, the Saints won the premiership in the VFL. He decided to retire on top. The year decimal currency came into Australia.

And the year England won the World Cup soccer football. And the year Steve Ditko left Marvel. Oh, it all times in. That's right. How did you bring it back? I don't know. It's like an episode of Seinfeld in here. It all just came to get in.

All the threads. Raps up in a deal. I love that. So Steve Dicko has become a recluse. He hasn't given an official interview since 1968. And at the time of recording, still live age 90 and working in his own New York studio. Still working. Yeah, still working.

He's super around the ocean planning. A bit of a bit of bloody attention then, didn't it? Well, it's super, anyway. You're not being that you say that because he allegedly wanted more money from Marvel boss Martin Goodman as merchandising income had become very lucrative over the first few years of Spider-Man, which for me is very understandable. But apparently he wasn't getting, you know, a big cut. He also had a falling out with Stan Lee. Neither man has ever made it clear exactly how their relationship broke down. But it was common knowledge that over their last few months of working together, they didn't even speak to each other.

They were only exchanging art and dialogue pages through interming. meteories. So Kevin, can you tell Stan that he has left a pastor in the fridge and I am not happy with it? Well, Kevin, you can tell Steve that that was his pastor and that he should have to deal with it. Whose pastor is this? Hang on. Mystery pastors and this is all about a pastor. Comic book universe is so confusing. It's very, very, can never follow the pastor threads. Kevin, can you tell Steve that I just want, can he just create another character? Just you can be a, give him some I think he's some sort of a man. Yeah, some sort of man would do.

Maybe mix him with another thing. Well, you tell Stan that I'm going to do that, but I'm not going to be happy about it. Like a log? What about a log? A log man. I guess that's I'm Groot. They went on for months. They went off for months.

I'm Groot's not his name. I was going to say, do you think his name is I am Groot? No, I was saying Groot in its language. His language, yes. Which is? I am Groot. I understand stuff. Yeah, you get shit.

Did you know that in Guardians of the Galaxy, that movie we've all seen? Yep. Vin Diesel, who was the voice of I Am Groot, or just Groot, he got his own version of the script where all the I Am Groot's were translated, so he would know what he was saying. Oh, so he could sort of do the right sort of tone? Yeah, for the toner. He's a timiously very committed, like, Shakespearean actor.

Absolutely, that's right. What's to know his motivation at all times. Is his voice even recognisable? Not really. Everything about that feels unnecessary. And when he's like his baby group, they've like, they've like cranked it all the way up. That's still him?

Yeah, that's still him, yeah. It could easily not be. And why pass Bradley Cooper in a role where you're not going to see that beautiful fucking face? And he's not, you can't hear his voice really. No, you don't know. That's him.

That's just to put the name at the top, I guess. Which I, you know, anyway, put the fuck, put his fucking face. He's more than just a beautiful body of face. No, he's not. He's not at all right then. He's not at all. He's a beautiful pair of big blues, and that's it. Stop talking about me.

Nothing underneath. Get rid of the rest of his head. Just get those eyes out. Put him on the big silver screen. Beautiful boy. Just two eyes floating. Two hours. Three hours.

It was an epic. I'd watch that. Nah, I wouldn't not have a nap. I'm very tired. Given the option. Yeah. Apparently, Stanley did some things to piss off Ditko. When filling in dialogue on Dick Co's roughly penciled out pages,

Lee sometimes misidentified characters, which is a bit of a fuck up, and was reportedly frustrated with some of the artists' storytelling decisions. So they often fought back and forth. In a 2001 essay, Ditko wrote, I know why I left Marvel, but no one else in this universe knew or knows why. It may be of a mild interest to realize that Stan Lee chose not to know or hear why I left. For decades, it was rumored that Lee and Ditko split was caused by a disagreement about who they'd reveal as the alter ego of the Spider-Man villain Green Goblin.

But Didko finally dispel this notion in 2015 when he published another essay that said his reason for leaving was much simpler. Why should I continue to do all these monthly issues? He says he thought to himself, original ideas, material for a man who was too scared, too angry over something to even see or talk to me? I love that 50 years later. Yeah, right.

Still, but yeah. So good. So good. The story is that one day Dick, just left. He handed in his final pages of artwork and when Lee came into work he was told, Ditko quit and they never saw each other again. That's

beautiful. He did a quit co. That's what he called them. Fuck yes. I've done that. Done a Ditko, quick just like left a job. Oh, that is so good. It's so good. It's so good. Yeah, I just like got my stuff and left. Picked up your potted plant got out of there. And how many essays have you written about quitting? Well it was

it was probably 40-ish years ago so A hundred at least It's funny Like so many people Have big things happen in their life early on Like this guy would have when he's 30s Can't argue with that

And I'm starting big And I'm gonna start narrowing in from there Oh okay sorry And they'll be And they'll obsess with it for the rest of their lives Yep But this is one of the rare occurrences Where people actually give a shit

Like he writes an essay There'll be old people everywhere going Still fuming About some dumb thing that happened In a work situation decades ago, but this one, people are like, what's he going to say this time? Tell us, please tell us the truth about that petty

quobble you had. Quobble? Yeah, quibble you had. I love that quibble. I love that quibble. Is quibble also, I think? I think you were thinking of quibble. I don't think quibble's a word.

Oh my God. You were very powerful. I fully bought that. Quobble. Squabble. You think of quarrel? Quorrel. Quorrel and squabble.

Squabble. Quibble. Quibble is not a word. Quibble, quorral, quaggle. Hey, the English language shucks all the time. Quaggles what the Harry Potter people chase after. You think of the fragles? Fragles.

The fragil rock. The fragles. Muggles. The Harry Potter's chase after them. Quidditch. Oh, you're thinking about the quaffers. The quaffers. What's that called, Jess?

A quokker. That's an animal. Oh, in Harry Potter. I hit small animals. Yeah. Anyway, Steve Ditko won a quaker from Stanley in a Quidditch match. And the results have been in a discus. dispute ever since.

Dicko was famous for creating another character, Dr. Strain. Ooh! I like him. One of the more unconventional Marvel characters. Over the year, Steve did return to Marvel semi-regularly, sort of on a contract basis, just sort of freelancing a bit. He created a cult superheroine squirrel girl in 1992. Do you know that, Mason?

I do know squirrel girl, yeah. Yeah, that's a fan favorite. What's her deal? She's unbeatable. Real, seriously? Yeah, yeah. How many unbeatable superheroes are there? Just the one.

I mean, versus her. She's number one. She's up the two. And everyone respects that rule. Really? Everyone respects that rule pretty much, yeah. What, cool. Wait, what does that mean?

Is she in the Marvel? Yeah, yeah. And she's undefeatable. Yes. Is she hot? Is she a squirrel? Not sure how to answer that. She's got a tail.

She's undefeatable on the dance floor. I would imagine so, yeah. Wait, what does this mean? There's an undefeatable. Why don't, I guess they're not able to use her much because that would make everything boring. Correct. Right.

Yeah. And she's not the most serious character. I mean, her name is Squirrel Girl. I love her. What's her real name? I can't remember. I was like, I can't. That's an interesting name.

I can't remember. Tramember. Her real name is Spider. Tifenaded. She's from a posh family. Double barrel. Dave, do you remember Jess said, let's try and keep the reports to 10 to 15 minutes each? He's editing on the fly.

That is physically impossible for me. Yeah. Your report is a lot better than mine, all right? That's all I was trying to say. Oh, okay, sorry. Didn't mean to show you, I'm nearly done. I just wanted to talk about his freelance stuff. My favorite Steve Ditko novel when I went back into his back catalog is Chuck Norris and the karate commandos,

published by Marvel in 1987. Very good. So, in a way, Chuck Norris is a Marvel. superhero. He's in the universe. Is that right? Does that count? Just say yes. Okay, yes, but really no.

So that wasn't a Marvel. It would have been a Marvel, but it would have been licensed. It would have been a separate universe. It would have been in the Chuck Norris verse. Ah, so that Marvel made comics aren't always in the Marvel universe. That is correct, yeah. I didn't know that. That's disappointing for Chuck.

It would have been cool. Cool up Chuck in there. It would be cool. I mean, maybe though. Sometimes they go in and out. Like Spider-Man's, Spider-Man's been in the Transformers and G-I-Joe universe as well at some point. Really?

It's a bit of a mixed bag. So there is room for Chuck Norris and the Avengers. There is room, yeah. That'd be fucking sick. I'm going to wrap up my Dicko report by saying, you imagine a man that has co-created, like I said, the most lucrative comic book character in 2013. He'd be a rich, rich man.

Though in 2012, he said he had not received any money from the four Spider-Man films. What? Is his name on at the top, at least? But he's also said he refused a check for the first one, claiming that he wanted all merchandising money owed or none of it. Yeah, right. Well, that makes no sense at all.

Yeah, that's often the way. I think, I don't know if it's going to come up in your guys' report, but I think it's quite common that there's a lot of, this character has made $200 billion in sales, and the artist received none of that. Oh, gosh. So, yeah, things are looking up in the industry, but there's a lot of that. I did read a Vulture article where journalist Abraham Reisman tried to meet Ditko at his office. Oh, Rice Man.

You know Rice Man. Yeah, no, Rice Man. Yeah, yeah. It's very popular at weddings. Because in the... That is such a good joke. It is. We worked on that together before the show.

It's very good stuff. And I said I would say that. Mm-hmm. Yep. So because he said... The time was running out in the report. I know, you better say. You better imagine Rice Man.

So basically, when Dr. Strange, the movie came out, a bunch of people researched, you know, they wanted to meet the creator of it. So they tried to track him down. There's a few articles about trying to meet the recluse. So he went to meet Ditko at his office. And whilst he was waiting there, he ran into one of the neighbours who gave him some goss. Oh, hello. Love goss from neighbours. She said one time about 10 years ago, I accidentally got a piece of his mail.

Her eyebrows rising scandalously. Rising. Rising. It's on my summon. That move is very popular at weddings. Nice. Rice used to be thrown at weddings. Is it not anymore?

Is it poisonous to birds? Yeah, birds blow up. Okay. Or they don't feel good about it. Confetti, I mean, I think all of that is pretty much frowned upon these days. And these bloody PC times. That's right. Bubbles?

Bubbles, yeah. You can have bubbles. You release, instead of killing birds with rice, you release thousands of doves. Oh, nice. That's good. Yeah, that you'd kidnapped previously. And then bigger birds choke on them. Yeah.

Yeah. It's beautiful. So she opened the Ditko mail. She said, I opened it, and then realized it wasn't mine because the check had too many zeros. She said it was from a movie studio and that when she gave it back to it. I reckon if she just looked at the name, that would have been the way to find out if it was for her or not. She said she gave it back to him. He just took it and said nothing.

He's a bit of a cranky old man. A lot of people say that he doesn't say much. The journalist eventually got an answer when he knocked on Ditko's door. he knocked a few times and when he asked are you Mr. Ditko he furrowed his brow shook his head

and slammed the door at the guy's face So what a guy I know I'm not saying Are you Ditko That's fucked Oh it's so weird

That he wasn't like Come on in You dick If somebody turns up at my house And goes Ory you Jess Perkins I'm going to be like I'm closing the door

And calling the police What if it is the police Just in case Any of you Are planning On an I guess you'd call the double police Yeah

I'd call the police On the police The toe cuters they call them, the police, police? The toe cutters. Yeah. I hate that. I don't get it.

Well, it's not a joke. It's just what they call it. No, I just don't get it. And I don't like it. All right. I have some fun facts. So they go now? Should we save them?

We'll forget your topic, I think. Yeah, just go with them. Go for it. Let's get fun. You tell me they're fun, Jess. You're the official judge. Peter Parker. Pact a Picks of Persopikas.

Hey, you're okay? Pack the piece of Percas. I'm not okay. All right. Peter Parker proposes to his girlfriend Mary Jane Watson in issue 182 in July 1978. She turned him down in the following issue. Routel. He didn't propose again for nine years.

But they were still together that whole time. Well, that was ups and downs, may so. Oh, for sure, yeah. It's probably fair enough, right? She probably got kidnapped by the group. No, means no. So why would you go? I think it boils in her court, really.

And also, nine years in comic book time is like three weeks. Yeah, and also, yeah, exactly. Matt's right. If you've said no, you know, then keep asking. That's creepy. It's up to you guys as a couple to then have... Wait, nine years. No, Dave.

Have a mature discussion, Dave. Nine years later. You capable of it? I doubt it. Maybe you're nine years. This isn't something that I'm ready for now, but I'd like to keep the dialogue open. Yeah. Let's keep chatting.

Let's check in. Let's check in. I want to make sure we're on the same page. Well, they checked in nine years later and she said yes. Yay! With the wedding taking place in the... the Amazing Spider-Man annual number 21. And then he thwipped it out.

Nice. Oh, so they did it like a... The intervening nine years was just those conversations. It was just a lot of... Come on. Don't you think it? Ed cheapens it when they do a magazine deal like that, celebrity couples? So they...

Sell it. Yeah, gross. Yeah, you're like, what, did you need the money? Yeah. Who's this for? Yeah, is it for you or is it... For the fans? For the fans.

Oh, it's for the fans. Oh. Anyway, this wedding was promoted with a real-life mock wedding. using models, including Tara Shannon as Watson, this article said like I don't know who that is. I didn't know how there was. On June 5th, 1987, an event at Shea Stadium taking place at home plate in front of more than 45,000 fans just before the New York Mets played the Pittsburgh Pirates. Oh, okay.

They were there for the baseball. 45,000 people did not turn up for a fake wedding. Shea Stadium, that's where the Beatles played, isn't that huge show? Is it? I think it is, yeah. The ceremony was attended by other models betraying the Incredible Hulk Captain America

Iceman, Firestar, the Green Goblin and Dr. Doom I'm sorry, what? I'm sorry, what? Yeah, but it's like, you know, when they stopped the war on Christmas Day and they all played soccer. Yeah, much like that.

It's much like that. The bad guys attend the good guys' weddings. The wedding was officiated by Stan Lee. It was not. Yeah, he was the celebrating. Wow. Is that a fun fact? Yes.

Yes. Well done. All right. One more, one more. No. You had one. Oh. But this is fun.

Go on. Spider Man has had many enemies over the years, including the Australian Frank Oliver, aka... The kangaroo? The kangaroo. Yeah. It's a great Frank Oliver is... He's not even Australian.

His power is he went to Australia and he learned to jump like kangaroos. Wow. That's his power. As a young man who studied kangaroos, it does say in his native Australia. Oh, okay. Sorry. Sorry, guys. He...

It should be kangaroo. man. Kangaroo Jack. There it is. Oliver is a kangaroo jack. So this is his story. He lived, Ait and travelled with the kangaroos

developing a leaping ability that rivaled the animals he studied. Seeing an opportunity to make money, Oliver decided to parlay his newfound leaping abilities into a boxing career. He just jumps over them. Yeah. Until they get tired and give up.

His superior speed and agility allowed him to best opponents time and time again. During one match Oliver jump kicked... That's not legal. One opponent... These super villains, they're always doing things that aren't legal. He hit one opponent in the face, severely injuring them. Facing criminal charges, Oliver fled to the United States.

Once he arrived, he was discovered without a passport and held for deportation. Rather than be deported, he broke free from detention and embraced a life of crime, calling himself the kangaroo. What a backstory. That's interesting that because Spider-Man started as a rest of it. Kangaroo started as a boxer. That's true. Geez, they do have a lot of fresh ideas, don't they?

Sometimes they're boxers, sometimes they're MMMA. But that is our good friend, the Amazing Spider-Hifin Man. Hooray! Light applause, golf applause for you there. Thank you, which I am very accustomed to. He is one of the most popular all-time superheroes, I do believe. Spider-Man? Yeah.

It's a big seller. Based on that merch. I think he's cool. I think he's cool. Okay. Oh, he's so cool. We're going to give a word on the end of each one, saying whether we think they're cool or not.

Spider-Man's cool. To me, he's cool. And Spider-Man, Spider-Man's like the first of, like, he's like the hard luck hero because, like, the spider. But prior to Spider-Man, they were all just millionaire playboys. Which is like. Pretty boring. Yeah, they were just like, I'd feel like fighting crime against.

I guess I'll just put on a mask and shoot some people. I'll shoot thousands of people. Guess what I'll just. Guess what I'll, that's what I'll do. The spider. I really like the homecoming movie from a couple of years ago. That's a good one. Yeah, I thought it was really fun.

The biggest thing I've taken away, though, is that in Spider-Man's world exists a spider. Whoa. Whoa. So, so who was going next in the club? I believe it's Matt Stewart. And you were, you were just right by like two years in chronologically speaking. Sorry if you were going to do the kangaroo mask. Spider-Man was 62?

Yes. My character debuted in 64. I'm 64. The question is, which Marvel superhero shares their name with a city in Iowa and a character in TV's MASH? Hawkeye! Hawkeye!

Alan Alder. Trapper John Another one Did I get it? It is Hawkeye Well done! Well done, Jess I never get it!

Very good I like Hawkeye Hawkeye is cool Hold on which one The MASH, the city or the character There's a Hawkeye City Yeah Hawkeye

Iowa Is that a great city name? I want to go there But also Hawkeye from MASH is awesome But Hawkeye from Marvel Universe Also pretty cool

Good Yeah Is that a popular opinion Am I wrong? Look I think I think The consensus is because he's just a guy with a bow and arrow.

Yeah. It's kind of lame. But then on the other end of the spectrum, he's just a guy with a bow and arrow and he's on the avenger. Yeah. Yeah. So he's seen as being a bit lame. I think that's why I kind of,

well, I love an underdog. Yeah, for sure, exactly. So people, a few people have asked me recently for whatever reason who my favorite Avenger is. And I've come, I've started saying, is it just me constantly?

Every day I'll message. Hey, Matt, if you come around, come around to Hawkeye. What are you going? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you do? What do you do?

Where do you sit on those two? I like Hawkeye a lot. I think he's a... Is he your favorite Avenger? When I was a kid, it was Iron Man, I think. Before he was cool. He famously had Iron Man's beard for quite a while. I did have that for a while, that's true.

By Iron Man's beard, he used to say. But that was a lot of work, so I've gotten rid of it. Have you got Hawkeye's beard? Yeah, maybe. Does Hawkeye have a beard? Sometimes he has a beard. Okay. Maybe he goes undercover.

He has a beard. You don't know. You don't know. He said he would know. Yeah, you wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. Stop pretending like you know, Dave. I'm so sorry about Dave.

That's quite right. But yeah, because he's the underdog. He's the guy, you know, if he's written well, he's the guy who's like, well, there's a reason he's in the Avengers because he's got a lot of arrows. That's the thing. I always think about that as well. Like, you know, Thor's got a hammer that is, you know, until someone breaks it. It is, it's got infinite usage. Whereas a guy with a bag of arrows on his plastic bag.

You know, he's got seven or eight shots. And then he's what, does he twiddle his thumbs till the battle's over? Sometimes he twiddles. He's a twiddler. He loves a twiddle. Anyway, um... We all love a twiddle. Thwep.

I, um, I went out, I took this in a slightly different direction. Um, no, that's cool. I quite enjoyed your report and how you did it. I think that would be more interesting. I did mine more... I thought you were to say, I like, like the way you did it. I did it better. I thought that's where you go.

Yeah. I, my report's more about the fictional character, Hawkeye. No, that's cool. Rather than the people behind him. If I could just say, whoa. Never going to get old to me. If there's a character called Hawkeye, you have to conceive of in the Marvel universe. There's hawks.

Whoa. Yeah. And this eyes. Yeah. I reckon we can have Bradley Cooper play the eye? Oh. Put those eyes on a hawk. That bird will be

The bird's flying the king of the birds Is Hawkeye king of the birds man? Well, it would be in that scenario. What's the current king of birds? What's the most powerful bird? Big bird. Not anymore. Big bird.

It's Bradley Cooper Hawkeye. His nemesis is big bird. Yep. He's going to kick the shit out of it. The eyes I'm thinking of specifically are from the film, the A-team. 18. Oh, is he the dreamiest in the 18? Different eyes in the 18? Yeah. Wow. No, he doesn't, Dave.

It's just, there's a shot at the very end where he's, and he's been taken away and he's just a close-up shot of his face and his eyes are beautiful. Put them on a hawk. Fucking, yes. Put him on a hawk anywhere in particular. Just lash him on the back. Yeah.

The hawk still retains its own eyes. Yeah, sure. No, it has double eye. Double hawk eye. Now that is a superpower. That is a super power. That is a superpower. I'm actually really interested to hear about the characters.

I don't know very much about Hawkeye. I'll give you a little preview. His origin. He's very stupid. Yes. Yay. Well, I believe there's a few different ones. But anyway, let's get into it.

He was created again by Stanley. And I again, Stanley went, eh, some guy with arrows. Yep. Handballed it. And artist Don Heck. And Don Heck was famous. Who else did Don Heck create?

Did he? Oh, Don Heck. Didn't mean to put you on the spot there. No, that's right. You definitely. A guy you liked as a child. Iron Man. Iron Man.

Really? All right. Maybe not. All right. I had full confidence in that. So confident that I wrote it down until you looked at me like I was a fucking idiot. Maybe he did. No, I appreciated that.

You've held me to account there. No, no, co-created Iron Man. Here's an interesting thing. So you said your favorite was Iron Man. Yes. You're now wearing a Mr. America shirt. Correct. Captain America shirt.

Mr. America when he's off duty. Yes. Please, Mr. America is my father. Holy Chad America. My father was not in the army. There's less ironin merch than you'd think. Yeah, right. Yeah, I guess there's not.

Yeah, that symbol has got like the hashtag sort of look on it. I do have one of those that lights up. Wow. Wow. Wow. You're not wrong. Whoa. So his alter ego's name, anyone know this?

I do. Clint, Clint. It is Clint. Yes! Clinton, Francis Barton. Natasha Romanov calls him Clint. Yes. He calls her Nat.

Because they're best friends. They're best friends. And I love him. They're best friends. It's so cute. Would you know his height? At least according to Marble. I'm going to say 5.11.

6-3 That is madness I think this is it This is obviously in the I think in the comic book world He doesn't seem that tall in the movies And he's about 230 pounds Which is about 105 kilograms

He's a beast A broad side of the bar You know what the thing that I enjoyed the most Is when they all go hide at Hawkeye's house And you find that he has a family Right And everyone's like You have a family

But Nat is like Hey guys Because she knows them all Because they're best friends They're best friends That's right Oh my God It's okay.

They're saving the world, but they're driving a little car and they're like, what are you doing? What are you doing after this? I love it. I'm probably going to fix the kitchen. I don't know. I love it so much. It's good.

It's great. It's just like one day I hope to find out if you guys have a family. Oh, are they together? No. Oh, okay. All right. We should probably tell listeners, only three of the four of us care about Marvel. Sadly, Jess doesn't.

I'd say if we're on a spectrum, it would be. We're on a spectrum, mainly. Mesa's deep Marvel. then Jess, then me, then Warnocky is, well, you're not even on the spectrum, I am, mate. I thought I bluffed my way through the Spider-Man report quite well. I'm amazed, I'm qualified in something. Big time. You did call him Spoderman for most type.

I picked up on it. I picked up on a bid, not everybody would. Nobody else would have noticed. Is that incorrect? I mean, it can go either way, you know, it depends. He was bitten by a radioactive Spoda. Clint. Was he the rest of his name?

I got excited. Clinton Francis Barton. Oh, that is good shit. That is not... Oh, yeah, Agent Barton. That makes sense. Francis Barton, that's boring. Sounds like a bloody early prime minister of Australia.

Francis Barton. If you write Clint, you would have seen photos of a birthday cake where people try and write Clint in all capitals. Yep. Oh, yeah. Never successful. So he doesn't have any superpowers, as we've already discussed, but he's very good with a bow and arrow.

Very good. Some say the best archer in the world. Robin Hood, please. Different universe, Dave. Oh, okay. This is not the Robin Hood universe. So, West Frye Tuck. Answer that.

That's Nick Fury. Oh, yeah. Little John. Can he do all of them? Oh, my God, he can do all of them. A rock's maid, Marion. The Lionheart. Anyone else?

The sheriff. The sheriff of Nottingham. And the rest. And the rest. And the rest. Hi, where the rest. The song goes. We've got low self-esteem.

We're the rest. Oh, we're the rest. According to Marvel.com, he's also, as well as archery, he's also trained to throw knives, dance, balls and boomerangs. What kind of balls are you throw? Shade, yeah, he throws big shade. Is he throwing basketballs? He's sassy.

Hey, Scarlet Witch, I love that colour, but not on you. That is great shade. He's just naked. That is like, that's a real, that's, that's mean. Yeah, yeah. You're going compliment? No. Giving and taking.

Vision, I love that you just wear anything, you know? You can just, you just, yeah. I love that you don't care. Have you been reading the game or something, Mesa? You're so brave to wear that. Yeah, yeah. I love that you just don't care how you look. You just leave the house looking like that.

And you're like, yeah. I'm just going to phase back into my house now. You're a real Clint, Mesa. Oh, come on, mate. You say that about every. single color of the rainbow. Wait, no, not you. You were being Hawkeye.

Sorry. Sorry, Mesa. Your portrayal was so realistic. Oh, no, he's actually sipping my water. He threatened off, Mark, to do that. He deserved that. You called him a Clint. I did, you did.

I was a victory sip, which I enjoyed. I love a victory. I haven't seen one in quite a while. I haven't made this close to a victory in a while, I guess. In modern comics, he looks quite a lot like Jeremy Renner now. And that's since the Jeremy Renner portrayal in the Avengers movies was quite popular. So they started, I think in 2012, they changed his look.

His first MCU appearance was in Thor. He had a little cameo in that. Can I just a quick side note, speaking of characters' appearances, because they changed them when the movies were popular. Nick Fury in the comic books is white. So he was so white that then when they made a TV movie, movie of him, like in the 90s, he was David Hasselhoff. That's how white he was.

He was big in Germany. Yeah, exactly right. That's white. That's so white. But then when they made the movie, when they made the movie, so then there was like a parallel universe version of Nick Fury who was black, right? And he looked exactly like Samuel Jackson because the artist at the time was very keen on like tracing, like, photo referencing and stuff like that.

So this character looked like Nick Fury. And then when they cast Nick Fury in the movies, they're like, well, we should get. Has a lot. Yeah, exactly. But he was not available because he was big in Germany. He was still huge. He was doing Click. So they got Samuel L. Jackson.

Was he in Click? Nice. But then the dilemma occurred because they're like, well, why if people watch these movies and then they go back and they read the comic books, they're going to be very confused. That's why Nick Fury is white in the comic book. So they made this revelation that he has an illegituary. legitimate son who is black, who's now the, who's also called Nick Fury, he's Nick Fury Jr. So Nick Fury, so Nick Fury. Just to save on the confusion. They overthought that so much. No one's going back and be like, what do you mean that doesn't

look like that actor that they cast? This is so confusing. Because that happens all the time, right? They change looks all the time. So now are they going back and going, the original Hawkeye doesn't look like Jeremy Renner. So that's actually Jeremy Renner's dad. That's right, Jeremy Renner that they renamed Hawkeye. Yes. Yes. Yeah, the character is also called Jeremy Renner. Just a save on the confusion.

Yeah. Yep, no good. So he was in Thor then. I can't ever remember. What was his cameo in Thor? He was a shield agent. He's going to shoot Thor. Before Thor gets his power back, they're like,

we get deal with this Thor guy and then he's going to shoot him. But then something else happens. Right. And he was, then he's been a big player in, the Avengers, Avengers Age of Ultron and Captain America's Civil War until the last few years though yeah he looked

I've already said this but he looked very different he was blonde traditionally Get out of town And his costume was a lot flashier With a lot of purple and blue And a mask with pointy things over the eyes Does that have a name? It's like the Wolverine pointy eye mask I don't like that

And it has a big H on the top Which I assume sounds for hot It's Jeremy Renner It's probably hawk, though. Yeah. Because he loses it at the gym. According to looper.com, the outfit also included elements of a medieval archer's outfit down to the tunic that hangs over his waist and the folded over Buccaneer boots. It's got Buccaneer boots.

It's very similar to what comics other famous archer, Green Arrow, has traditionally worn. Robin Hood. Although more recently, he's also been seen in simplified body armor. I'm sure you talked about it. But yeah, the Green Arrow, right? He's something that came up a lot. Millionaire Playboy, just got bored. And he really does.

Boy used to look a lot like Robin Hood sort of. The Men in Tights version, whatever that, the guy from Saw, that version. Carre Ellis. Thank you. But people, I guess it's mainly DC fans, but whenever there's a thread about Hawkeye, there's people going, oh, just Green Arrow rip off sort of talk. And which makes some sense because Green Arrow was first. in comic books

23 years before Hawkeye so he just beat him to it. But that's something you talked about in the Marvel episode a while back that Marvel and DC would rip each other off all the time. Oh, for sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

There are there so many weapons, right? It's much like hungry Jackson McDonald's. Mm. Mm. You know? Coke and Pepsi, yeah. It's all the same. Mm.

You can get vanilla everything now. Yeah. Fucking, what's next. Deadpool Wade Wilson is a rip-off of DC's deathstroke, Slade Wilson. Oh, wow, that's a clear one. That's a real kick in the face.

Isn't that funny when it can become huge? Yeah, right. And that must be brutal to the DC. Well, Death Strokes appeared in like, he appears in like one scene in one movie, if one DC movie, but Deadpool's has got a franchise. Isn't there talk of Deathstroke being a getting into the DC Hugh, whatever they call? He might be a Batman villain at some point if any of these movies keep going. Right.

Who knows? Oh, man, I really want DC's university work. It's not going to happen. Oh. I know you're in the pocket of Marvel. Yeah. Or whatever they say. Oh yeah, we are too.

So as opposed to that purple flashy dress, the MCU version, the Renner version is pretty muted. Outfit, a lot of black. I think they allude to some purples. There's some very dull purples, I think, which is a nod for the big fans. They allude to purple They allude to purple Matt Stewart allude to purple That's great

What you think That could be the name of your fragrance Yeah Allude Alude Purple Purple Alude

Alude de purple Alude Allude Allude de toilet Alude de toilet Toilette But I think Because the you know

The Marvel Cinematic Universe is meant to be Somewhat real world Obviously it gets pretty silly But The humans are meant to be real-ish, right? How does it get silly?

Oh, well, there's that rainbow road that you can go to Asgard on. Stuff like that. Also, Frya Tuck doesn't exist, apparently. Yeah, that's very similar, isn't it? I mean, get real. Crazy. Get busy, getting real, or get busy fucking off. So, I think he was a shield agent initially and a spy, maybe an assassin in the MCU.

But his, it was quite a different story. story for how he originated. Origin story is what they call them. A different origin story in the comic books, which is what the books are called, The Little Magazines. What's that? What are they called?

Little comic books. The Little magazines? They call comic books. Yeah. Huh. I thought you knew all. That was for Dave. But the cinematic look,

that was inspired by a comic series from 2002 called The Ultimates, which was a reboot of this. The Avengers by Mark Miller and Brian Hitch. Black Nick Fury. Right. So that was set in a more realistic world with realistic outfits. According to Lupa, after the suit was popularized in the venues, after the suit was popularized in the Avengers, the regular Marvel comics version of Hawkeye switched to it as well.

When I said that before, that was just a little bit of foreshadowing. Hawkeye first appeared in 1964's. Hales of suspense number 57. And I think there have been a few different origin stories, but the one I read on nearly every side I read was basically this one. Clint and his brother Barney were orphaned as children. Why all orphans? Yeah, that's true.

But these guys weren't rich orphans like many others. Porphins. Oh, porphins, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Which are an endangered species, porphins. I'm going to fundraise up for porphins. Is porphins a thing? Stop trying to make porphins happen.

It's never going to happen, Jess. So apparently they were often because their dad was an abusive alcoholic and their mom didn't give a shit and they both died in a car crash. I guess because his dad was drunk, I think. You'd assume his dad was driving. Because he was the alcoholic and I read that he was driving. He's the alcoholic, of course he was driving. That's what a designated driver is.

It's the drunkest guy, right? We can't stop him. Get him in the wheel. Get him in the wheel. Which is where they went wrong. It's one of those big steering wheels where you had to climb it like a mouse. Get him in the wheel. So, yeah, they had to spend about six years in a porphanage before.

Sorry, orphanage. It is happening, Jess. I was wrong. Before escaping to join a circus called the Carson Carnival of Travelling Wonders. Is this where you were... Yes. This is where you were going when you said it's a silly...

Carnie folk. They're Carney folk. Barney, his brother Barney. Barney the Carnie. Once in the circus, Barton works closely with the Swordsman, who is a performing, performer specialising with blades. Oh, I've just figured that out.

A little twist there. But after a period of time, he busts swordsmen stealing from the circus, embezzling. No. And he doesn't like that at all. Who bust them? Who burs them? Hawkeye. Clint.

Oh, Clint bust them, right. And they end up in a fight. Little brouhaha, bit of a hullabaloo. And the swordsman beats the shit out of him, basically, and leaves him for dead. With a sword? Sure. I don't think you get beaten with a sword. Like, you get cut.

Maybe just the flat bit. Yeah. He doesn't know how to use a sword. He's not that good. Side on. So he's slapping. Ow! Ow!

That was just humiliating. It's like when you jump in the pool and you hit it at a weird angle. It's like that slap, that belly wacker. Yeah. It's like that. That was my speciality. I couldn't make it a big bomb splash. So I used to go, I can't do a cool dive.

I can't do a flip. I'll do something that is stupid instead. So I'm like, ready, guys? backwhacker. Biggest possible spread. And just really try and get it real flat. Red of the better is what I used to say. Yeah, I was cool.

Yeah, we get it. Wow. Didn't teach me that at golf camp. Yeah, I bet they didn't. But they're bloody didn't. What did they teach you at golf camp? Rangly golf. Interesting.

What grip do you use? Standard. Nice. He's got you. I'm not. What can I did. Traditional. Same as the shark.

Regular edition. Greg, the shark, Norman. I think he used the interlock. What's your handicap, Dave? Six. That's really good. That's very good, Dave. That's good, I think.

Much like Greg, the shark Norman. My hero and teacher. Wow. What's your animal mascot? You had to pick one. Small shark. Dave, the small shark one again. A small shark.

Gummy shark, yeah. A shark that if you're in the water with it, people take photos and laugh at it. Yeah, that sounds really good. There are quite a few golfers with animals. Yeah. The golden bear. Tiger woods. Yeah.

Wow. I've never connected that before. Laugh that in. They take that little shark. Is that a thing? There's this a big line of people going, I cannot wait for this. I need a good laugh. After a week at the porphyage, I need a laugh.

Look at that thing. I've heard it's real little. How little? I don't know, but fuck, I'm ready. Or am I? I don't know. It's so gummy. Hey, pour some soup in.

He's a gummy shark. He's trying to bite me. It's so cute. It tickles. Just gum it. Do I have teeth? They got gums. Ah, but of course.

He recovered. Greg the shark Norman. Greg the shark, Norman. He better believe he recovered. He came back and won the USPGA. No, he didn't. No, he never did win a major in the US. He got close a couple times.

Well, he used to lie alone when he was teaching me. Well, no, you might be. He won him all four times. He won two British opens. Is that what you're thinking, maybe? That's what Greg was thinking. Who knows what? He's got a super yacht.

A super yacht. Just imagine a yacht? Way bigger than what yours is. No, I was imagining a yacht powered entirely by soup. I was imagining a... It's like a gummy shot. I was imagining a yacht that's been bitten by a spider. Yeah, yeah.

It's a super yacht. Yeah, yeah. Matt, do go on. Okay. So he came good, Clint, after the beating. And he then started. started training under another circus performer Trick Shot, who was the circus's archer.

Can I just ask a question? Yes. Stayed in the circus. Are these swords people that beat the shit out of him also still in the circus? That's really awkward. I'm pretty sure. I'm not, I read it as swordsmen had pissed off. Right, gotcha.

Well, so you don't really need a guy with swords at a circus, do you? What if you've seen a sword act at a circus? Yeah, unless it's a spinning wheel one on your throat, but they're knives. They're knives. Look after the clowns. We're going to have a man to stab another man with a sword. What are sort swallowing? Well, maybe.

Yeah, swallowing or like chocking a person in half for a magician with a sword. Yeah, that's a magician. But I don't think that's what he was learning. Like, he wasn't learning under swordsmen swallowing techniques. So, yeah, this is under Trickshot is how he got his bow and arrow skills. In the first comic, Tales of Suspense No. 57, he sees Iron Man Save the Day, which made him feel jealous when Ironman got all the adulation from the crowd.

They loved him. And I think there's a, I can't remember what the frame said, but it's something like, but I'm the best archer in the circus. Where's my applause? Oh, something like that.

Nice, nice. Oh, I hate him. He sucks. So good. It didn't make any say you. I mean, this guy just saved the day. Yeah, why aren't they applauding me? I got a bullseye.

I mean, it was pretty close to a bullseye. I mean, this is my eyes. Hawkeye fans out there. Obviously, I'm paraphrasing and possibly also misremembering. So please don't hold that against me. He doesn't have to wait long before he gets to put on a costume of himself. He's inspired. He does a cabaret.

Sexy role play. He gets his costume together. He goes, I'm going to go save some crimes and I'm going to show everyone. Save some crimes? Paraphrasing, Jess. Sorry. Yes, correct. Sorry.

Crimes were involved. The exact details are murky. Something was saved. Yeah. And very quickly he runs into a crime. And that crime's a robbery. He saves the day. He saves the crime.

Sorry, save the day. Only when the police arrived, they assumed he'd played a part in the crime. This makes the cops and Iron Man also assume he's some sort of supervillain. And that puts him on the path to actually becoming a supervillain. Whoops. He's like, if that's what you're going to call me, a fucking old super violent. Here's the thing too with Hawkeye. So like if you're Captain America, for example,

and you come across a criminal and you stop them in their tracks using some combat, which he is trained in. Okay. Right. Hawkeye is good with arrows. Yes. Hard to just sort of disable someone and, you know, then take him into cut. He's killing people, surely, right?

But he's also great in hand-to-hand combat. How do you just knock some of them? unconscious briefly with an arrow boxing glove arrow you had trick arrows plunger arrows

he's got a plunger arrows you can also make you can also like get it through the sides of their clothes and like pin them up against the wall shoot them through the eye

yeah kill them dead to the head to the wall may so no through the eye to the head to the wall yeah exactly

shoot it in the heart it's a three step it's a three step it's a explosive arrow to the heart you could do that that had no well you know you know you didn't

He didn't hear him out, explosive with love. Oh, yeah, yeah. To the heart. Yeah, but most... Casper, like Casper, the sleepy giant. What? Matt, are you okay? Chop off their legs off arrows.

Stop it! Ghost. Friendly ghost? Both my legs. Yeah, but he's not the one who... Oh, no. Can't get away now. Yeah.

Casper's not the one who's hands loved to... With the bow and arrow, is he? Oh, you're the Cupid. Cupid. Yeah. Right. Different. Casper's a little...

Newball, little... A little dead boy. A little dead boy. A little dead boy. played by Is it McCullough of Colkin? No No but it's some

It's Devin Sawyer That's it Or Sawyer That was probably the first one That's why I was thinking about it I reckon This doesn't last long His life of crime

And he eventually joins The comic book Avengers Along with Quicksilver And Scarlet Witch Who were also bad He's going straight And they were from The Brotherhood

Of Evil Mutants Which I'm pretty sure Are the X-Men bad guys They are yeah And they are also The Magneto's kids. Oh, wow. Oh, right.

For legal purposes in the movie, they are not Magneto's kids. Yes, and they're not mutants. That's right, yeah. Because they're in Age of Ultron? They are in Age of Ultron, yeah. Oh, I know who you're talking about it. Files Guy and... I always forget her name, like her, anyway.

Because there's a scarlet and there's a scarlet. Yeah. Scarlet Witch. And Scarlet, Johansson. Yeah. Johansson. Got it. Sorry.

So they all join. This was in Avengers. number 16. They were the first new recruits admitted to the Avengers after Captain America was a couple of issues before that. But the original crew was, I found this interesting. Iron Man, who's obviously one of the cinematic universes original as well as Thor,

who also was Ant Man, who's in there, Wasp and Hulk. Hulk only lasted one and then he left and then he came back. Classic Hulk. Classic Hulk. He wanders off. Over the years, Clint Barton has been superheroes other than Hawkeye as well. He hasn't just been Hawkeye. I almost put this in my fun facts. He reinvented himself. Yeah. Yeah. For a while he was, for quite a few years, he was Goliath when he used Avenger teammate Hank Pym's growth serum to become the giant-sized Goliath. So this was one stage really, actually did have superhuman powers. He was really strong and real big.

He was bitten by a giant. He became a giant. That's what happens. And Hank Pim, what's the actor's name in the... Ant Man? It's Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas. So yeah, in the movies, they made it like Ant Man was retired now. Yeah. It's a bit of fun. Is the guy that Paul Rudd plays? Is he from the comics? He's the second

Ant Man, yes. So yeah, I love that. I love that about this. He also played as well as Hawkeye and Goliath. He also appeared as a third character called Ronan in New Avengers 27 in 2007. And also apparently,

very briefly, was Captain America. Everybody's been captain. Everybody gets a go. That is fascinating. It's my week, guys. It's my week. If you need any, if you need any patriotism. It's like jury duty.

Yeah, it is, yeah. I tried to get out of it. I'm like, I've got a pre-existing condition. I got bad knees. I got work. I can't do this. And they're like, nah. You're only going to have to reapply in six months.

I'm like, no, all right. I'll do it. All right. I'll do it. I don't want to jinx myself, but I've not been called up for jury duty yet. Yeah, neither. I have. Had that go?

That's me knocking on wood. I didn't get... It didn't get through. I imagine up to the jury. Yeah, I feel like I will knock. One of the sides are going to have a problem with me. But I'd love to do it. I'd find it fascinating, I think.

Although it'd be unlikely you get an interesting case. The one I was was a gangland murder. Yes. See, that's the kind of thing. And they predicted it would take many months. Oh. So they drafted in like 150 people for the 12 or whatever seats. Just in case, because they presumed a lot of people would be like,

I can't do this. Yeah. And there was a lottery and I didn't get caught up. Thank goodness because the accused was standing there and they looked terrifying. Wow. Yeah, that's true. Not guilty. We haven't even started the case.

No, it looks trustworthy. I wouldn't worry about it. I like him. No, but I mean, if you just say he's guilty and then he goes away for 10 years and that's all the time, isn't it? Especially the rest of my life. Exactly. Wouldn't even worry about it, yeah. I'd wear a mask with like pointy eye things and a big H on the front.

That's how I'd get out of it. All right, so that's my report, but there are some fun facts. If you want them. Yeah. Yeah. Can grab Mesa's in for it. I'm always in for it. Hopefully these are fun.

Oh, gosh, he's rethinking them. Hawkeye was ranked as the 45th greatest comic book character of all time by Wizard magazine. Oh, the industry's own. I thought you're going to say the 45th best Archer, and I'm like, that's It's not great. I've written down the top few, any guesses at number one? Spider-Man. Iron Man.

Spider-Man's number three. Well, Super-Mayan. Super-Mas number four, Batman's number two. Oh, Hulk? A bad guy's number five from DC. Oh, I can't have mine. Who's number one? The Joker?

Joker's number five. Who's number one? Catwoman. When you know it, you'll be like, oh, yeah, should have known that. Real popular one. Superman. Superman's number four. Fuck.

Iron man? Captain America. No. Captain America was like seven. Oh, Wonder Woman. No, it's Marvel, but not Marvel cinematic. Oh. Is it Wolverine?

It is Wolverine. I got one. You got one. Feels good, doesn't it? Yeah. Like when I got a Hawkeye before. Oh, I'm addicted. That was hot.

Ket me again. But I think 45, I was like, that's actually pretty good. It's a whole time. It was ahead of like Captain Marvel, which felt wrong. Oh. Because Captain Marvel, I'm sucks. That's that little, because I'd never heard of her before. Yeah, right.

And then at the, well, I shouldn't say anything else. Maybe she's in an upcoming movie. Is that a spoiler? No, it's coming up. Doesn't worry about it. Oh, great. It's coming up. You're not in Planet Broadcasting great mates.

Come on, yeah. Oh, it's happening. Yeah. Here's a couple other fun facts. Where did you... Is that fun? That's pretty fun. That's good.

A couple more. Because he turned into a guessing game. Yeah, that was fun. I like the process. If you can make the next one a guessing game also, that would be good. No, don't do that. Just get to the point. The Hawkeye moniker has also been used by Kate Bishop when Clint was dead in one timeline.

She's a member of the Young Avengers, along with Wiccan, Patriot, Hulkling, and Iron Ladd. Hulkling? Iron Lad. That's cool. Iron boy? So is Patriot Mini Captain American? He's like a mini Captain America

Who's Wiccan? So, okay so Patriot is like the great grandson of the original Captain America like the prior one Like the prototype Captain America Which isn't the guy who's in the movies Our movies?

Yeah, it's a previous one. Oh wow And Wicken is Magic and his boyfriend is Hulkling And he's a scroll And he's a shapeshift animal What scroll mean again?

They're like aliens. They're like aliens. There's so much going on. And Iron Lad is, Iron Lad is the boy version of Kang the Conquer who's a time traveler. Gang the Conquer is cool. He's a character from the Simpsons, right? That's, or different gang. No, Crang.

No, Crangs from the top turtles. Kang and Kodos. Crangs from the Ninja Turtles. Crang is from the Ninja Turtles. He's a brain in a man. So that's pretty fun. Really, I really liked Iron Lad. Yeah.

You know the name Iron Lad and you were. I'm like, yeah. She, the way she broke into the Avengers headquarters and stole parts of Hawkeye's outfit and someone else's outfit and sort of built together our own one and then walked up to the young Avengers and said, I'm a young Avenger now too.

And they're like, meh. And then she helped them solve a thing. I love a confidence. And then they go, all right, you're in. Yeah. That's all you need. And this last one, this one actually blew my hat clean off. I was standing

an actual powerful fan at the time. But according to TV trope, no, according to TVTropes.com, Hawkeye is the only character in comics to be a member of both Marvel's The Avengers and DC's Justice League of America. Whoa. Is that true?

I don't think so. I think it's false. Huge if true. Yeah, that's very, very huge if true. Yeah, but TVTropes.com Oh. Oh. That's why I said according to at the start. Yeah.

I didn't have full confidence. Yeah, shift the blame. That's what I said. I mean, why would they say that on a website if it's not true? I think maybe because it's, I think TV tropes, it might say like Archer. And it might be like, well, there's one in the Avengers and there's one in the Justice League. Oh, I don't. No, listen to the exact wording here.

Hawkeye is the only character in comics to be a member of both Marvel's The Avengers and DC's. Look, we can't rule it out, can we? except I'm going to definitively rule it out right now. To stop the hate. Is that because that's just not possible? People can't do that. Oh, he might have joined in like an intercompany crossover. But he's not regularly on the team.

No, no, not regularly. No, I mean, do I have to say it one more time? Oh, my gosh. Oh, I said to be, to have been. I'm going to say that. Have been a member. Does that make it more okay? It makes it okay now.

Hawkeye is the only character in comics to have been a member of both Marvel's, The Avengers and DC. Story checks out. Nice one. Isn't it funny how a little E and an N can change everything? Words are important. Yeah. That's all.

What a comic book is not words on paper. Good work. Thank you, Hawkeye. Good work, Matt. Well done, Maddie. Is it my turn? Yeah, it's your turn, Jess. Yeah.

I didn't write a question because I never do. But my question to you too, because Mesa knows, is which character? She's already laughing. I know who she's chosen. Is it? Do you think I would have chosen? Sheehold! Yes!

Witch! Laugh! Sheeulk! Oh, that is so good. I'm so excited. I think everyone would have been sad if you did not fix the She-Hawk. And now Captain America. Boo!

I love story. Did She-Hulk ever be Captain America? Did she have a go at it? Yeah. I don't. I didn't form that question very well. She's been on the fantastic. Four.

She has. She's the only character to have been on the Fantastic Four. Period. That is a fact. All four of them. Wait, I didn't know the Fantastic Four had changed. They felt like just a four people. Spider-Man's been in the Fantastic Four.

Ghosts ride has been in the Fantastic Four. Are they like a... Nicholas Cage on a bike? Yeah. Are they the fifth member or do they... No, sometimes the teams like disband and they're like, but the world needs a Fantastic Four. So they... Needs a fantastic four.

Okay. Are you taking some of my... Sorry, I'm taking... I'm taking Jess's content. I'm very sorry. Sorry, she... No, no, my report's done now. That's all I had.

I said, let's keep them short. Jess was the only one that listened. I had one said... Yeah, I'm the other one who listened to my own request of let's keep it brief. Okay, so... Shee Hulk. This is not going to be brief at all. Interestingly enough, the character was created by Stan Lee.

Oh. And the reason behind... the character's creation has to do with the success of the Incredible Hulk and the Bionic Woman TV series, Marvel was afraid that the makers of the Bionic Woman might suddenly introduce a female version of the Hulk so they're like, we'll make a female version of the Hulk first so that if anybody else tries to do that, we've got the rights.

Wait, what? How would they have been able to do that? Oh. Wouldn't they be like, hey, that's our character? So the Bionic Woman was like the lady version of the $6 million man. Yeah. And I think there were some licensing issues with, because there was a Hulk, there was a Hulk TV series. And so I think they were like, well, the Hulk TV series could just be like, now we've got a Lady Hulk and then Marvel wouldn't get any money out of it.

Wow. Mesa's going to be filling a lot of gaps in my report to be nice. Can I ask you Mesa very quickly? Yes. So all three have so far been created by Stanley. Yes. Are there any big dogs in the Marvel universe who were created? by non-stanly.

Dr. Strange. Yes. He had no piece of that part? No, no piece of that at all, no, that's true. That was Dipko, I'm sure I can think of some, but like a lot of the stuff, like a lot of the most enduring characters. But like your top 10 famous Marvel characters. Yeah, Stanley. But again, it's Stanley going, what if there was a guy?

And then the artist is like, who had magic pals and he flew across the universe. And they're like, yes. Yes, magic pals. That's good. What if there was a guy based on a Norse god? Yes. That's what I meant. What the hell's North?

I mean, yes. I said it. God of... No, I love Stanley. He's good. He's so good. He just won't give up. Don't say that.

Yeah, I didn't want to put the boss on. Steve Ditko is also extremely old. Yeah, there's someone in that. That'll be fine. Secret to Long Life. Don't be mentioned on this podcast. Oh. Oh, no.

Oh, no. I've been mentioned heaps. Jeff. Oh. I think it's quite the opposite. We've talked about them and they've both lived long into life. Hooray! That was our gift.

So She-Hulk first appeared in Savage She-Hulk, number one. Oh, that makes sense. The Incredible Hulk, the Savage She-Hulk. Amazing. I love it. They were going to call it the irrational She-Hulk, but that's a little bit. Savage. This was in 1980.

Women can be irrational, too. That's true. All but the first issue. The first issue was written by Stanley. But all the others were written by David Anthony Kraft. He's the guy I played Niles on Frazier. Does their name? Do their name sound similar?

David Hyde Pierce. So a first name. Hang on. I imagine Giles from the Nanny. Oh, right. Which is, I have no idea who that actor. That's Niles from the Niles. Still Niles.

They're both of Jals from Buffy. That's Anthony Stewart Head. But continue. Well, the joke works on many levels. It's just fun to say names, you know. You really allie upped a great joke there. Three-parter. Oh, boy.

Thanks, Matt. Thanks, Matt. You did it. It was worth saying after all. Cop that brain, you idiot. Trust your instincts. They're usually right. David Anthony Kraft.

I was penciled by Mike Vosberg. Most issues were inked by Frank Springer. And Vosberg later remarked the honest thing about the book was that Frank Tramble. that Frank drew really beautiful women. I drew really beautiful women. And yet, the Shee Hulk was never overly attractive. What?

It was like such a weird point to make, like, funnily enough, this very strong, powerful woman we made was not a babe. But I drew a very beautiful woman. I drew a beautiful woman, but I never wanted to fuck this one. Of all the fantasy women that I drew in my life. Never had a sex show. remember about Shee Hulk. It was almost as soon as they colored her in green, she looked a little bit different.

Savage Seahawk, Shee Hulk lasted until 82, so a couple of years, and then Sheehawk made guest appearance in other characters' books. Do you know any of the backstory of Shee Hulk? No. Did you, I don't think you talked about it much. She was a lawyer. Lawyer. Her name's Jennifer Walters, and she is the cousin of Bruce Banner.

and she's the daughter of a county sheriff and her mom died in a car crash when Jennifer was 17 or both parents. Orphans, great, good. Because Bruce Banner was not, like that wasn't, it's not a genetic thing, right? No. Wait for us.

Oh. Ha ha ha. So there's a crime boss named Nicholas Trask who had crossed paths with her father before because he was a county sheriff. and he shot and seriously wounded her on a day that Bruce Banner happened to be in town for a visit. So there were no other donors with her blood type

and Banner provided his own blood for a transfusion as I already shared the same blood type and DNA but his radioactive blood combined with her anger transformed Jennifer into the green-skinned she-hulk when the mobsters tried to finish her off at the hospital. So the mobsters turned up like, Okay, now we're going to shoot her again.

She was like, ah, don't shoot me again. I'm mad now. She-Hulk! Oh, is that her catchphrase? That's a catchphrase. Yeah, she yells she. It's like doing parkour.

Did park-or people yell parkour? Oh, yeah, yeah. They yell parkour. It's how angry they are. If they're very angry, they yell She-Hulk. So did Bruce Banner at this stage know he was the Hulk? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, but he gave her his blood.

Okay. Well, I mean, it's that or death. Okay, right. So he was going worth a try. There's no other donors. And everybody's real tight with their cousins, you know. Right. Yeah, I'd give blood for my cousins.

Really? No. Oh. I have like 40 cousins. Oh, wow. I don't have enough blood. Yeah, that'd drain your dry. No, but you've got a good supply.

That's great. Good point. Yes. Blood giving's a two-way street, Jess. You're right. Never forget that. Maybe I'll be in the market for a little bit of blood getting. You could get it.

You could get in, you could get on the wrong side of like 40 mob bosses and you'd be fine. Hey, you know what I'm like. Yeah, no doubt. I'll get on the wrong side of some bloody mobbosses. bosses. Ain't no doubt. If you get on jury, Judy. I'm combative.

Like I nearly did. Like you nearly did. Anyway, so as she Hulk, Jennifer possesses powers similar to those of her cousin, though at a reduced level. 77% perhaps. Yeah. Wage gap. Anyway, so yeah, she's like the Hulk, but like daintier.

So that's fun. Eventually, she just, decides that she's going to retain her Shea Hulk form permanently. She prefers the freedom and the confidence. Because she's kind of like, she's small and shy as Jennifer. So she prefers to be She-Hulk, which I like. Can you just turn it on or do you have to get angry? She-Hulk can.

She can just do it one if she wants. She can live like that forever if she wanted. Yeah. Love it. Is there any talk, Jess, Jess, about her being in the MCU at all, do you know? After a brief solo career, she joined the Avengers. My very next sentence. And she also, as Mesa mentioned before,

temporarily replaced the thing as a member of the Fantastic Four. Does that? The thing's a rock lobster, isn't he? Rock lobster, yes. Does that answer your question? Not really, but sort of. Maybe, I just like if the, on them in the movies. Oh.

I wonder, yeah. Is she too minor of her character to have any interest in the cinema? No, but I think. that there is some sort of weird, like, contract dispute to deal with the Hulk, which is why there are no more Hulk movies. That's why the Hulk was in the last Thor movie, but he doesn't have his own movie. Oh, really? So there's some rule where he can't be in his own movie anymore.

So I'd say they're probably not going to do a She-Hulk movie, not for a while anyway, unless somebody spends a billion dollars, which they're not going to do. Do you think I could play it? Yes. Yes. You didn't even hesitate. No. Thank you.

Dave, you didn't answer. Dave hasn't said anything. Well, I let Masa speak for me all the time. It's true. Could I play She-Haw? I think that you would be the number one contender. You know her backstory. I do.

You could live her life. Jen and Jess. That's true. Jen and Jess are similar, so I'm already used to answering to that. Yes, you won't get confused on set. That's true. It's like Charlie. And the chocolate factory.

Yeah. No, it's like Charlie Sheen. All of his characters are called Charlie. Not all, but a lot. Anyway, back to. Sheehawk. That could be the name of the sequel. Back to Sheehawk.

Yes. Oh, I love it. I'm available. And I can do stunts. Hollywood, are you listening? Hello. Hello, Hollywood. I'm so tired.

So for a time, starting with the Sensational Sheehulk series in 1989, Sheehawk was portrayed with a form of cross-dimensional or metafictional awareness and she would always break the fourth wall like in some stories she showed an awareness of being a comic book character or there'd be visuals of her tearing the page or walking through a page of ads

to reach the enemy's control centre that's a Deadpool thing too right did Deadpool rip it off yes he did everything about Deadpool's a ripoff yeah correct so he's part thrift gun and part he's part to rip gun yeah she hulk Yeah. What's thrift gun's real name?

Deathstroke. Death stroke. The power of getting a bargain. With a gun. The discount is 100%. He's a thief. Discounted, discounted. Yeah, now she's one of the few characters who was aware that she is a comic. Yeah. And she also sometimes gets in arguments with the writer or appealed to the editor.

Her movie could be sick. I wonder, yeah, I'm fascinated. I wonder if there's been any scripts written. I think people would be like, oh, it's a derivative of Deadpool, even though she did it like 10 years beforehand. She... No, no, here we go. She's sort of the name Shee Hulk again. She started and led her own disaster relief organization.

That is funny. I can see why you're chuckling there. No, because she felt great remorse for almost destroying a small town. So she starts up a relief. Oh, she's so cute. Anyway, she's a lawyer, and I have a fun story about that later. Here's some information about her relationships. I've broken these up into subheadings, by the way.

This one is relationships. So obviously only her mother died in the car crash. She was half orphan. A orphan. She was a orphan. She wasn't a full porphan. She was just a orphan. Get in here, you little Hoffen.

Oh, Dad, can you stop calling me that? It's really hard. My name's Jennifer. I miss mum. Shut up, Hoffen. Not a great dad. Not a great dad. She had a strange relationship with her widowed father,

and he was controlling, and she sought independence, and also, you know, his acceptance. She should see her daddy issues. See, told you. Right. Widowed father, Sam. Sounds like a superhero as well.

Okay. Like black widowed father. Yeah. I think Thrift Gun was better. Yeah, Thrift Gun was probably good. I'm building up the universe. I'm building up the universe. The M.C.U.

Yeah. I'm going to get on a Jack Kerouac. He's going to draw them up. Wow. Jack Kerouac. She had a relationship with her childhood friend Zapper. But ultimately, their relationship fell apart. relationship fell apart, primarily due to her insistence on permanently remaining in a She-Hulk form.

And he felt that that was, like, that preference represented a rejection of Jennifer Walters. He's like, you've changed, man. You've literally changed. Yeah, quite literally. He's literally changed to She-Hulk and not Jennifer. If you can't have me at my She-Hulk, you did not deserve it at my Jen. That's beautiful, Dave. Marilyn Monroe said that.

Wow, it would have been, it would have made no sense at the time. Right, yeah, she was ahead of her time, that's the thing. She was, she was. She-Hulk was married to John Jameson. Oh, I'll take this one. He's a werewolf. Who she met while he was on the man-wolf in a microverse adventure in Savage She-Hulk. Is that a sentence?

So you know, you know, okay, you know Spider-Man. He works for the daily planet. He works for the Daily Bugal, rather. And his boss is like this cigar chomping like, Ah, J. Jonah Jameson. His son's an astronaut. He went into space and he got some sort of werewolf bug. And he turned it to a space werewolf.

Oh, space werewolf. Space werewolf. That sounds cool. It's so cool. And then he married the Cheahawk. Yes. They eloped in Vegas. And the marriage was later annulled.

Oh. Yeah. Elvis. celebrant? I would assume so. It doesn't explicitly say, but I'm going to assume. Her costume, due to her affiliation with different supergroups over the years, she's donned numerous costumes. Her personality has also gone through significant changes, from aggressive and short-tempered to intelligent, free-spirited and vivacious. Vervacious is a great word.

Just like a lady. Just like a lady. You know what I mean? You know what they're like? Four seasons in one day, you know what I mean? What the fuck do you mean? I didn't mean anything, I'm sorry. Working with me is a mystery. I will be playing the free-spirited and vivacious version, obviously. If they're like, can you be angry? I'll say, no.

And they'll say, okay, yep, fair enough. We'll rewrite it. This is Hollywood talking, by the way. Because of her various outfit changes, no single costume can be considered iconic, you know, compared to Superman's red and blue tights, Spider-Man's redden blue costume and mask. However, She-Hulk is immediately recognisable

due to her size, green skin. You don't need an outfit. And long, dark green, almost black hair. Dark green almost black. It's mostly that she's huge and green. I think you go, is that She-Hawk? Oh, that's She-Hawk. And she keeps yelling out, She-Hulk.

She-Hawk! Could it be? What I'm going to end on is, I kept a time. A song. A she-hulk. The Jess has written. A short monologue.

This is my audition to Hollywood. We're up for the role of Shee-Hulk. No, it is a something that, a storyline that has happened with Jennifer that I really enjoyed. Due to her involvement in Shield, She-Hulk has a, information suggesting that the organisation knows of her cousin's whereabouts, anticipating a problem. Tony Stark has Shehulk secretly injected with spin tech that transforms her to human form permanently. Enraged, she tells Stark that although he may have taken Sheeulk out of the question,

he still has to face Jennifer Walters, one of the best lawyers in the country. This is the best sentence ever. Jennifer informed Stark that he has miscalculated. She-Hulk would have just pummeled him, but Jennifer Walters has the ability to destroy him. Yes. Take him down, Jen. How good is that?

I love that. She sues Tony Stark. Oh, so good. She's great. Does she F-him up? She Fs him up financially. Love that. I'm kind of disappointed that I got to do some research on She-Hulk,

and she seems coolish. Oh, you like the idea. that she was silly. Yeah, I wanted it to be real dumb. Nah, she sounds like the best. Yeah, she sounds pretty great. I assume she was going to be a real silly character as well, but it sounds like she reinvented the form.

I mean, they're all a little bit silly, aren't they? In a way, in retrospect. Well, I hadn't thought about it like that. These circus orphans and being bitten by spiders and getting radioactive blood transfuses, it's all a bit silly, isn't it? Another reason I don't think. I'm going to put a mark in the sand.

and say these things probably wouldn't happen in real life. What? Yeah. Whatever do you mean? Well, as opposed, not my man, Hawkeye. Oh, he can't. He could be real. People get married in Vegas all the time.

Yeah, and they get it in old all the time. May so. You've got a round of applause for the she-hoff. Thank you so much. All right. Well, I'll round this one up. I haven't written anything down, but I'm just going to sort of wing it. He's going to freestyle, which I am so impressed by it.

This is, this is, oh, this could go anyway in particular. But, so this is a personal, personal favourite of mine. Oh. Personal favorite character of mine. Maybe not my most favorite, but it's a character that I've got a lot of love in my heart for. Are we doing a question? Maybe if you could just guess. So he's worked with She-Hulk.

He's worked with Hawkeye. Stan Lee. He's worked with Spider-Man. He's worked with the Avengers. He's been in the movies. Stan Lee. He's been in newspaper strips. Did Phil Colson?

It's not Phil Colson. I do love Colson. Is it the guy you were talking about before with the iPatch? Nick Curry? It's not Nick Fury, no. Is it Captain America? No. Damn it.

You're not going to guess it. Ooh, I reckon. Now we are going to get. Oh, ant man. Little? No. No. Okay.

A little bit bigger. Obscure man. A little bit bigger. Yeah. Wasp man. Bigger than that. Hornet. Bigger.

The gnat. Bigger. Okay. Is you really big? The badger. It's quite small. Okay. The rat?

Rat man. Mighty mouse. I need another clue. Oh, you know. Roger Ramjet? No. Acqua duck. You're very close.

Oh, Oh, the duck. Is it the duck? Aquaman. Harvey the Duck. It's Howard's Howard the Duck. Howard's Howard the Duck. Right, I've seen that movie, I'm pretty sure.

Well, yeah, he's been, you may have seen him in, uh... Are we genuinely talking about the answer? Yeah, it's... Yeah. I thought you were just going along with my ridiculous guess of Aqued Duck. No, you were very close. You were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Matt says a bit more bullshit and we go, yeah, anyway, the real character is.

Anyway, the real character is Howard the duck. What is that? Well, if you've seen it. audience of the galaxy and I know you have. Yes, the first one. At the end of the credits, you see... Oh, I don't know if I'm going to say. Oh, well, that's all right. Well, see, you've got to stay at the end of the credits. At the end of the credits, you see...

I woke up for that chef's lunch. It was on a plane. Oh, delightful. At the end of the credits, you see sort of this hideout from this super villain called The Collector, and he's got all sorts of, like, tubes of alien species that he's captured and he collects all these ones. And you see that one of the characters who's been released from prison is how Howard the Duck, who's a duck.

He's a little duck. He's wearing a little suit and tie, little hat, no pants, because he's a duck, obviously. Obviously. How's he going to poop? And he's been a character, and it just says, at the end of it, it just says, it just says Howard the Duck created by Steve Gerber and Valmaric.

And then it's over. And it's just like a one-no joke. But Howard the Duck's been around since like 1972, I think. He's been, he's very much an enduring, very stupid character. Does he have his own, you're going to tell us about him? Yeah, well, I mean, I know. I'm just going to leave you to guess. And end.

So basically it's the early 70s, and there's a guy called Steve Gerber, and he's an advertising copywriter, and he hates his job. And he has a friend called Roy Thomas, who's the editor at Marvel Comics, and he just one day he just calls him up and he's like, I need to do something else. This is killing me, this advertising job, so I just want to do something else. So Roy Thomas puts him on the first comics available. He's like, we'll try you out on.

a comic and it's called Adventure Interfere is the title of the comic and he's going to be writing on a character called Man Thing. Man Thing, right. That sounds like a Stanley. Yeah, for sure. I think he's a man. Combine a man and a thing. He's basically a big mud man. He lives in a swamp. So he's kind of like, what are we got kind of thing. I'm Swamp Man. Well, there's already a swamp thing, so you can't call him. Why not? Is there a mud man? There's the mud pack. There's Clayface. God, damn. In fact, there's five Clayfaces. This is stupid.

You want you to talk about one of the other five clay faces? Yes. I'll do it later. Anyway, but anyway, so he's like, I don't want to create, you know, this is going to be kind of boring. He's a mud man who lives in a swamp or whatever. So he's like, what I'll do is I'll create. The concept is he lives in the Everglades in Florida and it's kind of like, it's a magical

part of the swamp. And it's like a nexus of all these dimensions and all sorts of weird creatures come in from parallel universes and stuff like that. So in the first issue that he gets to write, he's like, okay, all these dimensional doors are going to open and all these characters are going to tumble out. And one of them. And I think it's because the Everglades, like the year before, they just opened Walt Disney World in Florida.

And so one of the characters is like this cigar-chomping, little suit-wearing character called Howard the Duck, who's from like a funny animal universe and he's been trapped. All of a sudden he gets trapped in the regular universe. This isn't a comic book writer. He's an advertising guy that they just said, write some shit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, he did.

Yeah, yeah. Because I think also, like, by the set, like Marvel in the 60s was like this, fountain of ideas, a lot of of Stan Lee just going crazy. But by the 70s it was just like, just, you know, whatever. It was kind of, things were getting a little dull.

So I think they were appreciating. He created five mud faces and they were like, yeah, exactly. That's right. So he was really just a Donald Duck spoof. He was a Donald Duck spoof, but Gerber said to Val Merrick, who's the artist,

don't make him look too much like Donald Duck, don't give him a sailor suit, give him a little suit and tie. Make him like he's like a Brooklyn, like a Brooklyn, guy with attitude kind of thing. And basically, the editor was like, I don't care, I don't, look, I don't care about this, Disney's going to be breathing down an X for this, kill him, get rid of him, I don't care.

So like a couple of issues later, he goes off, like he goes off into another dimensional portal. He's like, well, I'll see you never, bye kind of thing. And then. That's what I say every time I leave the studio. See you never. Did he literally say see you never? I think he said like

I'm going back to my home dimension It was like it was real Kind of a poochie Pucci. That's a more right He just killed on his way back to his own plumber Yeah So this was a couple of issues later But basically what happened was

That well you know The editors were like Well that's the end of that good But then like Creators would go to conventions And they would get letters in And people like What happened to Hower the Duck

Bring back Howl of the Duck We like this character kind of thing And so they were like all right we're rebooting man thing the comic book it's now

going to be called giant size man thing yeah I know well they're trying is it a lads mag no you think so it's giant size man

we got energy drinks we got naked women yeah so that was terrifying no that would yeah we should get into radio ads

yeah yeah there certainly was a period like in the 2000s where those magazines were I don't know in every petrol station I went to.

I didn't buy him. You were singing that. What a weird little... Man, you are. The sort of British-style lads mags that sort of came into Australia. Yeah, like that. Try to say three letters there and I failed. FHM.

Yeah. Ralph. What does FHM stand for? For him magazine, I think. I've been told. Yeah. Alleged. He turns.

I should go on. I was going to say, so anyway, so they're like, we'll put him in a backup story. And so he's this weird, it turns out that the portal that he thought was going to send him to his home dimension, actually sent him to Ohio. That's where he emerged. Oh, this is good. I'm a favorite. Yeah.

So he was, so he, that's where he turned up. And he's like, okay, well, now I've got to, I can't get home. So I'm going to have to deal with my life in Ohio now. And so, and the creator was just like, I'm going to throw a whole bunch of stuff at the wall and just see what stuck. So, like, his villains were like, like, Bessie, the Hell Cow. He had Man Frog was a character.

There was a character, he had a villain. Frog man. Yeah, I know, right. He had a villain called The Elf with a Gun. Tell me more about this character. Well, if you can imagine, like, a magical Christmas elf, wait for it. he's got a gun. Oh, okay.

Yeah, right? Oh, God. But anyway, so... I don't get it. So in 1975, they were like, okay, well, this character is weirdly getting a lot of traction. We should give him his own book for some reason. And they published How the Dark Issue 1. They didn't have any faith in the character, so they only produced the minimum number of issues.

Right. Which at the time was 275,000 coffees. Which all sold out. Just the minimum chips, please. Yeah. And in fact, They sold that so quickly, like, for what this, like, speculators were like, this is the next, we love this character. So people, so people were like scalping them. Like people were, they were 25 cents, I think, an issue.

And you could, like, weeks later, you could only get them for like 10 bucks, 12 bucks kind of for this. Wow. Wow. Anyway, so they sort of got, he sort of got this free reign on this character. So he just kept, like, it was just more, like, it wasn't superhero self, it was just more weird, satire and he would like just howard going through weird existential crises every issue and like because he was in this world that he never made and he doesn't understand kind of thing um and like but but gerber like he didn't he didn't consider him like a wily coyote or like a donald duck

kind of carrot he considered him like he was a flesh and blood duck i think he said i've got a quote here he said at the time when wiley keote when wily a coyote gets run over by a steamroller the result is a panch cake flat coyote who can be expected to snap back to three dimensions within moments. If Howard gets run over by a steamroll, the result is blood on asphalt. So it's kind of... You say asphalt right. Do I? Yeah, we all say asphalt. Well, I normally would say asphalt, I think, but reading it, I said asphalt.

Anyway, he kept creating these weird stories and the character developed this weird cult following. At one point, the character campaigned for President of the United States in 1976, like in the comic book, but that resulted in thousands of people voting for him in real life, like riding votes. Oh my God. He was part of the all-night party. There's his little campaign page. That is a very Donald Duckish-looking Duck.

See, that's the thing. Eventually, Disney did get mad at this particular character. So they were like, okay, they never sued, but they did send a lot of letters. And they were like, listen. kids are picking up Howard the Duck expecting, you know. Right. You know, Donald Duck and Donald Duck's all about, you know, the squirrels are stealing his lunch or whatever, but they're reading Howard the Duck and it's about, you know, this duck who's his girlfriend's a woman and he's going through weird existential crises and all this sort of stuff. We don't want this to happen. You have to change the look of Howard the Duck. So they sent like new design, Disney sent like new design sheets. They're like, okay, you've got to change his beak and you've got to change his hat. and you've got to change his hands and you've got to give him pants because the one distinctive feature of all the Disney ducks is they have no pants.

So you have to supply him with pants. And at the time, like, the editors were like, this is great because they've redesigned his character for. We don't have to pay to redesign his character. They actually said this is what he looks like now. Sliddle across the table. Yeah, they were like, we've sent you these. And they did it for a while and they changed him back.

And then Disney sent more threatening letters. And they're like, okay, well, I guess you got us kind of thing. All right. How about Flares? Yeah, right? And now, or possibly he's now back in Disney's control. Well, because Disney owned Marvel now. So, yeah, that's why, I think that's partially why he's back.

But yeah, for a long, that happens, yeah, like, from time. Like, Marvel, DC used to have a competing, Superman rather, used to have a competing character called Captain Marvel. Not Marvel's Captain Marvel, but different Captain Marvel. In DC? No, in a company called Fawcett Comics. Right. And who looked very similar to Superman.

and so DC sued them and stopped them from making the character, but then they bought the company. So now those two characters are friends. Oh, and that's Shazam, right? That's Shazam, right? Right, yeah, yeah. So by 1976, the character had his own series. There was a newspaper strip.

So it was approaching like real mainstream popularity for this super weird little character. But in 1978, Gerber, he had an issue with his newspaper strip because what was happening is that the people drawing the newspaper strip weren't being paid for like three or four months like before the you know they would they would do three or four months work and then they'd get paid and then they'd do three or four months work and then they'd get paid again and so he was like why ain't you paying these guys kind of thing and they were like well this is how the business works and he's like I'm not happy with how the business works and they're like well what are you

going to do about it and he was like well I'm going to quit and I'm going to take my character and I'm going to get out of here. And they're like, well, we own the character, so you can't do anything about it. And he's like, oh, okay, then. And he quit. And he couldn't take the character with him. And he thought he could.

Oh, that's such a bummer. And he was trying to make things better. Isn't that funny when people like, and that's just how the business works? Like, we'll make it not work that way. Change the business. Yeah. So anyway, so he maintained that because he created the character,

he had the rights to the character, and he could take it wherever he wanted. And they were like, no, no, no, no, no. So he had the rights to the character, but he couldn't take it? No, he thought he did. He thought he did because I guess he'd come from a different industry and they'd really explained it to him properly. So he thought he did, but he didn't.

So he sued Marvel and it dragged on for years and years and years and years. And eventually they were like, nah, still can't have it. But in the meantime, in 1973, George Lucas had done a movie called American Graffiti, which is really, really popular, and he got a bit of money, and he bought a share in like a comic book art gallery. And then one day he was having lunch with the two other writers of American graffiti,

and he came out with his comic book, and he's like, check this out, you've got to get on board with this. This is Howard the Duck. We're going to make a movie about Howard the Duck. And they were like, all right, we'll give it a whirl kind of thing. And it didn't really come to anything. And then he pursued his other passion project, which was a little thing called Star Wars.

Yeah, you've heard about that. Come on. Yeah, come on, come on, mate. And that made, you know, that obviously that was a phenomenal success. And then he made Indiana Jones and then the Star Wars sequel. He was on a bloody hot streak. He was on a real heater. What's he done lately?

Good question. And by two hit wonder, I reckon. Yeah, exactly. But that's the thing. So when Return of the Jedi came out, that was kind of the end of his hot streak. because he was like, and you know, you know, the stuff, it was like, well, stuff's going to, profits are going to wind up and merchandise is going to wind up.

What can I do? What's the next big thing? Yeah, Star Wars doesn't have a future. Exactly. Well, no, who knew at the time? Amazing. Like, there was going to be, you know, the merchandise sales was going to go for everybody. He's like, I've got an idea.

Remember when I said, remember in 74? Remember my previous passion project? We're going to make the Howard the Duck movie. This is going to be a, this is going to be a hit. It was not a hit. He actually made it. Yeah, it did he did. I've seen it.

I saw it when I was a kid. on VHS. Yeah. It was a phenomenal disaster. What kind of animation? It was like a man. It was going to be live action animation. It was going to be, sorry, animation.

But what basically happened is he went to a company called Universal, who we know, and he said, I've got this movie, it's called Howard the Duck. You know me, George Lucas. And Universal were a company that passed on Star Wars. And so they were like, yes, we want Howard the Duck. Absolutely, we want Howard the Duck. Not making that mistake. Yeah, we're not making that mistake.

again and that is evidently how most people involved in this movie got became involved in this movie because they were like well George Lucas is a license to print money yeah I would yeah for sure and so they were like they were like George Lewis wanted to make it animated go ahead sorry well is this is how silly did Star Wars sound before I got made well exactly yeah yeah laser swords and yeah you were like space wizards and stuff all right this sounds silly but everyone's going to be dressing as Howard the Duck and he has to come so they wanted to make it animated but Universal already had an animated movie slave I think for that year.

So they're like, well, it's going to have to be live action. So they built. That was probably a mistake. What killed it? Was it a robotic duck? Well, it was a man in a suit, but it was like, you know how? Did you ever watch the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies? Yeah.

That was kind of like, it was a man in a suit, but they'd animate like they'd Jim Hanson. They were terrifying when I was a child. Well, imagine that with 1986. So it was like, and to some extent it was like way ahead of its time. Yeah, this was 1986. Because like, the How the Duck suit was like the first. like freestanding like animatronic thing like when you think of like ET or somebody like

character like that it's always still wired up like if you're looking at the top they've wired the bottom or if you're looking at the bottom they've wired the top and it's just out of front right but but this was the first like we get a man in a suit we don't connect it to anything it's a remote control it's got the thing or whatever and so they went through like and initially it was like a 12 year old they wanted they had to cast like a 12 year old boy to be in the suit because obviously it's like three feet tall or whatever and that didn't work because of labor law and it was exhausting to be in there and you couldn't see out of the suit

and then they went around like like little, they had to cut, they tried to cast like little people and that didn't work for a lot of reasons. At one point I think they had like four eight-year-olds that they would slot in it. Do like an hour shift each and slot them in and out and eventually they settled on mud things.

The five mud things. They rotated them through. Yeah. Wow. But, yeah, exactly. Let me, I might have a little something on the movie. That's blown me, like, so it was quite an adult movie, but I don't, I can't, I think my parents wouldn't have known that. I would have seen it when I was pretty old.

I saw it in the 90s at some point. Yeah. But I can't really remember anything about it apart from maybe being, it seeming a bit dark. Like, it was all set at nighttime, right? Yeah, it was very, it was a little bit dark and it was certainly weird, but like, they changed a lot of the aspects of the character, I think, and what the fans have, Howard the Duck wanted was this like, like this cynical cigar smoking like, you know, Brooklyn kind of dude. But in the movie, he was just kind of like this fun, earnest kind of dude.

And like in the comic books, his long time girlfriend is Beverly. And she's like... The cow? The exploding cow? No, it's a human woman. And she's like a nude model in the comic books. But in this, she's like a, she's in a band, I think. She's in a rock band.

But it was kind of more clean cut. And it was just like, it was a little bit dumb and generic. And people hated it. And it lost a lot of money. So they tried to please everyone and please no one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the director who made it, who was one of George Lucas's writing partners, he never directed a movie ever again.

Oh, God. It killed his whole career. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So has it gone on to achieve cult status, or is it so bad? It's just bad. It's just bad. Yeah. So that's the thing.

I think it was so profoundly bad. I think people would watch it more. Yeah. Or bad fun. Yeah, it's just bad fun, I guess. As opposed to Fran fine. who was good fine. That's exactly right.

Mr. Sheffield. But yeah, so that lost a lot of money. In the meantime, let's see, Steve Gerber, to finance his lawsuit of Marvel. With Marvel, he created another character called Destroyer Duck, who was kind of like a more action-oriented Howard the Duck to, you know, an attempt to, he and Jack Kirby created it actually together as an attempt to like, and we'll sell this and then we'll get some money together and we'll sue Marvel. but that never really

he ended up losing money I think on it which is a shame and yeah he went he sporadically went back to work for Marvel for you know bits and pieces but that that you know didn't really work out so eventually he legally he never owned the character

again however The Duck thank you I was thinking he was same thing thank you in 1990s this is my favourite part of the How of the Duck story

is that Bloody, buckle in. Let me tell you. In 1996, Marvel were like, okay, we want Spider-Man's our most

popular character, as you know, Dave. So what we're going to do is we're going to, we're going to create a series called Marvel Team Up. We're going to team up

with various little-known characters and they're going to get a boost and, you know, it's going to team up. Like we do with your podcast. I know. Thank you. I appreciate it.

You're the Spider-Man. And he and they were like, okay, and every month it's going to be a different character is going to team up with Spide. a man and then they're going to fight crime or whatever.

And they were like, why don't we do? Let's bring back Howard the Duck. And they asked around like their writing pool, they're like, you want to do a Howard Duck story. And everybody's like, well, no, because it's kind of Steve's character. And we don't want to step on any toes. And, you know, he had that legal thing. We don't want to whatever.

So they called Steve Gerber and they're like, do you want to write this storyline? And initially he was like, no, absolutely not. But then, inexplicably, he's like, you know what? I am going to write this storyline. But, and so the premise is. is that Spider-Man, he meets Howard the Duck again, you know, their friends and they team up and they're tracking down a particular villain, the elf with a gun. He's back.

And him and his girlfriend, Beverly, they all team up. They're long term. They're really long-term. It's really great. It's a really mature. Put a ring on it. But also, that's one of the reasons that it disturbed. That's probably one of the reasons that the movie did not do so well.

As people were like, why is he in bed with this woman? This human woman. How does it all work? Yeah. Don't they have those screwed dicks? They're called sprupenises, yeah. Yeah, precisely, yeah. So, but unbeknownst...

Some women like that. So initially unbeknownst to Marvel at the same time, he went to another comics company called Image Comics, which is a company where it's very much creator-owned, like it's if you create a character, it's your character. And he went to, like, the editor-in-chief of Image Comics, who got called Eric Larson, and he created a character called The Savage Dragon.

He's kind of like the Hulk, he's green, he's got a fin on his head. He's a cop. He's like a superpower cop. And he's like, how about we team up Savage Dragon and destroy a duck, my character, and we'll have them team up and they'll go on an adventure and they'll find the bad guys. And then he went back to Marvel and he said, hey, what if we cross over both these issues? A double cross, if you will. Maybe we should do that. And they were like, this better not get us into trouble, but sure, do whatever you want kind of thing.

So basically what happens is the two issues follow a parallel kind of story track. Both of the groups of heroes like head to the same warehouse, like at the same time. Oh, cool. I love this. They head to the same warehouse. Basically, Spider-Man and Howard the Duck and Beverly bust in on this warehouse. They find the villain, the elf with a gun. And Savage Dragon destroy a duck go into the other side of the warehouse.

And they find their villain. And there's a big brouhaha. and the final pages of both issues are the same. There's this big battle. They encounter like two shadowy figures, which is the other characters, and they go their separate ways. But the image comics issue,

the Savage Dragon Destroyer Duck issue, has like a different set of final panels where the elf with the gun uses his magical powers to create like thousands of clones of Howard the Duck and Beverly to cause this chaos so he can get away in the, like in the mayhem. And there's like two or three additional.

panels where destroyer duck sees the real Howard and Beverly and goes those are the two real ones let's get them, let's grab them, let's take him back this way they look so similar only we can tell but those other guys they'll never know the difference and so they

take Howard and Beverly to the image universe leaving two clones to go back to the Marvel universe so while from a legal standpoint Marvel still owns Howard the Duck. The Howard the Duck that currently exists in the Marvel universe isn't real.

It's not real. And so there's one final page where Howard the Duck and his girlfriend changed their look. Howard becomes Leonard the Duck and Beverly becomes, I think, Melody. And they go off and have their own adventures in a creator-owned universe where they own. Holy fuck. Where Steve Gerber owns those characters.

My head has just exploded. He got away with it. He actually could create new stories with them. Yeah. What a legend. I know, pretty good, right?

That is ridiculous. Yeah. And he got a lot of angry phone calls from the editor-in-chief at Marvel at the time. But they're like, because I suppose they wouldn't have known, they wouldn't have seen their image.

Until it came out, no. Yeah, because they'd see the proofs of the Marvel. He was just told, don't get us into trouble. And he was like, all right, what are you going to do? I won't. Yeah, I won't, yeah.

So, I know, right? He's passed on since then, but that is my favorite. We call that the Howard the Ducks switcheroo and uh you in the biz yeah in the biz is that a famous move um it's only worked once i think to the best of my knowledge but i think it worked quite well so that's great yeah that is really sneaky and i love it thank you that is so so cool so he's so he might be back he might we'll send him in the new

movies so he was teased at the end but was that just a little joke for in joke for like mega fans i think it was yeah actually have his own no i don't i don't think he ever will i mean maybe he'll appear in like an action sequence or something like that, which would be nice, but... It would be cool right for him to have another crack at a proper... Yeah, for sure, yeah. Jeez, George Lucas, he's got a lot to answer for, doesn't he? That's something that we've all always said. Oh, is it?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, big time. Oh, big time. This is a big episode. Is this... I can't remember what our longest one ever is, but this would be up towards, though. Yep, I reckon.

But it was bloody, fantastic. Hopefully it was for the listeners also. I love those listeners. Yeah, thanks so much for listening to the show, guys. We really appreciate that. If you want to check out our back catalog, maybe you are a new listener. We really would suggest you're here for Mr. Mason.

You should check out the Marvel episode that he did. All the Superman. I like the Superman one. Yeah, Superman's really good. His Mothman contributions were very good also. I love the Mothman. Do we have any updates on the Mothman? He's been.

seen recently, I think. Yeah, he's still being seen. He's still out there. Of course he is. We might have to do Mothman 2 at some point. Mothman returns. Mothman 2 back in the habit. That's sorry, of course. We had already agreed on that. How do you? Let's thank some people. Oh, people. That's right. So a bunch of people that support the show via patreon.com slash do go on pod get two bonus episodes every single month. So thanks to those people. And they also get extra little stuff like they get to vote for topics that we talk about.

And also a shout out on the episode. We'd like to thank some people now. Jess, what's the game this week? Giving them a superhero name. Okay, great. Yeah, I think that's good. Could I kick it off? If you must.

I don't know. I mustn't, but I can. If you please. Oh, I do please. If you can. I can. I'd love to thank. Beers.

From Hanover in the United States of Germany. Oh, no, close. A, Merica. I'd love to thank, if I may, and I think you've already given me permission. I had pre-approval on this one. I'd love to thank Dave Swenson. Oh, dangerous Dave. Dave Swenson.

No, that's it. Is that what he is? Oh, no, it's got to be better. Yeah, it's got to be better than that. Swenson's giving me a swan kind of vibe. The human swan. The human swan. Swan boy.

Fly, swan boy. Yes. I like the human swan. The human swan. Yeah, I like that. The human swan. Savage swan. Yeah, swans can be nasty.

I don't remember this state coming up before. The savage, he swan. New Hampshire, yeah. Nice one. Sometimes they butt you on the bottom. So what have we going with? And they can also have, obviously, they can often have multiple. Yeah.

What have you gone with? The savage swan. I said the savage he swan. Oh, the savage he swan. I like that. Because all swans are ladies. Yeah, that's true. We said the human swan to start with.

Human swan's good also. Human swan. That's great. I'd also love to thank. Thank you, Dave, the human swan. Swenson. Yes, Dave, we appreciate your support. I'd also love to thank from Can I call you mason?

Can I call you mason? Yeah. Can I call you mason? Yes. The Australian capital territories and Canberra is the capital. That's where Australia's parliament sits. Do you know that? Oh.

That's where all the big dogs are. Australia's superheroes. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. With the power of corruption. Wow, wrought man. I don't get it. Oh, I didn't know you guys were such...

No, we're political. Saterical. Yeah, you better believe it. I'd love to thank from up there. Hopefully he's not a corruption man. Riley Bartholomew. Oh, Bathman. Bathman.

Bathman. Do the bath man. Very clean. The power of the barthole. A bath bomb. If you're not in water, it just sits there. But as soon as you're in water, that's fizzing. That's fizzing. It's giving you a nice little...

Don't get nice little... Don't get him wet. He just likes the Hulk, but you don't get him angry. You don't want to see him wet. That's the secret. You don't see me when I'm wet. I'm always wet. Riley Bartholomey.

The bath bomb. Is that what I called him? Yeah. The bath bomb. Yeah. It sounds like a villain. Can they be villains? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah. He's the bath bomb villain. Bath bomb. I think he will, what do you call the villains who are like heroes? Anti-hero? Anti-hero. Yeah, the bath ball could be an anti-hero.

Yeah. I think he carries around a little, one of those little spray bottles. Uh-huh. He's like, oh, I'm mad. Wait, hang on. And his alter ego during the daytime cleans windows at intersections.

Wow, that's a dangerous game for him to be in. Yeah. Fizzes. He slips. Maybe you go next, Dave. I was thinking Jess, but she is... I don't know, it was me. I can go.

She's out. Do you want me to go, Dave? Yes, I do. All right, fine. I would like to thank for... Where's M.O? I'll tell you what my M.O. Missouri?

Oh. I like that I also have a computer in front of me, but I make you Google it. It's Missouri. It's Missouri. You said that, did I? I can't remember. I'm pretty sure you did.

Yes. from Missouri. I would like to thank a triple name. Oh, triple name. I'm not okay. There's Two-Face and now triple name. Timothy Stephen Moore. Oh, he was Niles and Frasier.

What about it? I think, well, his initials almost spell tism. Timothy, Stephen Moore. Well, they wore masks, the masks. Yeah. Well, no, maybe. Maybe he could, yeah, so there's, he could be Humphrey B. Flabere, is one of the singers. Ron Hitler Barassi, Dave, you might all have got, Jess has given me a shake of the head there.

Also, there's... I don't think he's getting the Ron Barassi reference over in... Oh, he was one of the all-time great. AFL, Australian rules for balls. Yeah, well, that's something about the Balaclav. Yeah, maybe that's good, Dave. What do you reckon? The masked.

from again, Missouri. The Masked Missouri. The Masked Missouri. That's a wrestler, the Masked Missouri. Or a serial killer. Yeah. Take your pick there. Wrestler by day, serial killer by night.

But what if he's an anti-serial killer? Oh, so he's a serial killer, but he's one of the good guys. Yeah. Serial killer. Wow. Yeah, like the spider. Yeah, the spider. Taking out people who have killed thousands.

So good. Thank you very much to the Masked Missouri. Yeah, thank you. Tears him. And I'd also like to thank from California. This is one of the all-time greats. The Hall of Fame for the Do Go On listeners. And the reason that this person has that title in the Hall of Fame

is because he travelled an awfully long way to come to our 100th show in Melbourne from California. That's a long distance. Yes. Okay? It's not just like I drove an hour, you know? Yeah. Oh, I know. You know.

I guess. I would like to thank from California. Nestor. I'm definitely going to say you soon. I'm wrong. How would we say that? Guayaro. Oh, okay.

That was beautiful. I don't know that for sure. I'm confident that's a pretty good stab. He's from Esparto, California. California. He sat in this very studio. To me, Nestor is like, he's like a shirt or, you know. He just needs a one name.

To me, he's just Nestor. Yeah. Nestor, Nestor, you're the bester. But a superhero name for the great man, Nestor. Well, I think Matt just did it. Nest, Nestor, you're the best. What are you thinking nests? Obviously, like bird.

He's some sort of a bird man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was going to say the unbestable nester. Oh, the unbestable nester. I like that. Can't be bested. He's like squirrel man.

Squirrel woman. Yes, a squirrel girl. Third time. Squirrel girl and nester can't be bester. No, it can be. Is there? Nester is the person? What are we going with?

Dave, final call. The unbestable nester. That's a bestable. Little nasty. Yeah, that's a good one. Not just because what does he dress as? Some sort of bird.

Ooh, some sort of bird. I like that, Dave. Dave's good, and it's a real Stanley vibe. Some sort of bird. I'm zing and I'm zanging. He's some sort of bird. Make it happen.

Goodbye. Dave out. See you never. I've gone to Hawaii for three weeks. Nestor, you legend. Thanks so much for the support. Thanks, Nestor. The ongoing support is always appreciated.

Now, who's coming, Oh, I'll take some notes. Do you want to jump in here? Yeah, from Derbyshire in Greater Britain. Oh, very good. Mr. Adam Legg. Oh. Boy, if the kangaroo wasn't already taken,

then Mr. Legg here would... What's another animal that has legs? If it is an old Mr. McGreg with a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg. What's that? It's a Dr. Nick Riviera episode of The Simpsons. Oh, yes. What else has legs? Yeah, what has legs?

Oh, arachnids. They have eight legs. Caterpillar. He could be a caterpillar. Millipede? Oh, that's a little bit. The human millipede. Oh, nice.

Nice. What does he do? What's his, what's his M.O.? What's his Missouri? Oh, no, I'm going to say that. Oh, no, you have to say it. I was just said like the human torpedo, the human milapido, the human milapido. That sounds really bad.

No, it sounds great. It sounds great. Milapido, I like that. Oh, I've only just gotten it now. Oh, hang on. The human centipedo. No, that's still bad. Pito was the bad bit.

Stop saying it. Adam Legg. Yeah, Legs 11. We got chicken leg. Drumstick, the drumstick. The drumstick. Yeah, the drumstick's good. The thing is that his punch is better than his kick.

Yes. Just to confuse you. Yeah, yeah, I like that about him. Yeah, all right. The drumstick. The drumstick. He plays in a band. He's the guitarist in a band.

By night and by day, he's the drumstick. Yes. A guy who dresses up as a chicken to try to get people into a chicken shop. I mean, yep. Solving crime. What else we got? Thank you, Adam. No.

Okay. Another, maybe a rival for him, also from Great Britain, Manchester, Great Britain. Jack Marsland. Oh, that's a cool name. That seems like a name of a superhero's alter ego, Jack Marsland. Yep, okay.

Some sort of journalist. Kangaroo Jack, Marsland. He went from Manchester once when it was a kid, and he studied with kangaroos until his jump rivaled theirs. Matt, you're thinking of... The kangaroo, sorry, yes, I'm. I thought I was on a real hot streak of creativity. No.

First thing you... Absolutely. First thing you come up with Jess, come on. Jack Marson, who is he? Tree boy. Oh, I like that. I am rude. Oh, fuck.

I'm panicked. Mesa, quick. First thing, come on. Tree man. Oh. I am Groot. Dave, what about... Something about a Martian.

Mars. Mars. Yeah, Mars. The Martian. Matt Damon. Yes. The marshmallow Martian. Ooh, puffy.

Adorable. Yeah. Delicious. When he gets angry, he puffs up. He puffs up like a puffer jacket. Yeah. Like a marshmallow. No, the human puffer jacket.

The pufferfish. Yes, the puffer fish. The puffer fish. Wow. Yeah, yeah. The most complicated backstory. Why do they call you the puffer fish? Well, my name's Jack Marsland.

Sounds a bit like a Martian. Thank you, Jack Marsland. Hopefully see you in Manchester sometime soon. Yes. All right, I've got to bring it home with the. a couple of names here. I'd like to thank all the way from Leicestershire, also in Team G.B. I'd like to thank

Nick Thompson. Tomo. Emma Thompson. Nice, yeah, that's good. She's won two Academy Awards. She was from the Footlights. Oh, I thought we were just going with Emma Thompson. That would have been great. My brainstorming sessions only go one step.

Emma Thompson, here we go. I like it. We like to take it eight more unnecessary steps. You're right, she was in the footlights. Footlights with Stephen Frye, frying pan, eggs. Peter Pan. Eggs, Benedict. Benedict. Benedict, Pemberbatch.

The Cumberbent. Benedict, Pope. Pope. Holy, the Holy Roller. Yes, the Holy Roller. Rolling pin. Rolling pin, the pin. The weapon.

Yeah, the holy roller uses the pin of destiny. Yes. Oh, nice. Good, good, good. Stan Lee would have done it. Back in the 60s, nothing was taken. Like now it's like, oh, Marshman, now that's taking Marshland. But back in the 60s, nothing was taken.

Yeah, that's true. Iron Man, yes. Make it happen. Nick Thompson, Holy Roller with the rolling pin of destiny. That's awesome. Thanks, Nick. Great to have you on board. And finally, I'd like to thank from Mitchelton.

Does that have a question mark at the end of that? Yeah. in Queensland. I haven't heard of that place before. Mitchelton. And I would like to thank from Mitchelton in Queensland. Joe Penning. Pena.

Oh, pasta. So we think an Italian. Yeah. Italian. Okay. All right. Eval is shaped like a boot. Boot.

Their boot strap. Strapper. Strapper. Strapper. Strapping young lad. Strapper Joe. The strapper. Is that a horse?

I don't know. I don't know what that is. Mitchell turned out to Brisbane suburb. Ah. Great to have, great to have your support, Joe. Are we going with the strapper? The strapper, like the horse?

Yeah. Like a farrier? The horse whisperer. No, farrier is a foot shoe. The horse shatter. The shatter. Horse shatter. Horse shatter.

Why is horse's beers? He's at the bar. Yep, yep. It's the horse shatter. Wow. Joe, you're a good, bloody person. Never had, never seen a horse, I haven't shouted. Horse walked into a bar.

Joe bloody shouted them. End of issue one. Good stuff. Comic books would have been so easy in the sixth sense. The horse shouter. Has that been taken? No. It's our copyright.

Don't take it. Now, if we can bind them all, they are the real Avengers. Oh, yes. Someone, I mean, people can draw out there. Can someone put that? together. Please. It's all we ask is you get eight,

you draw eight completely original superheroes to our specifications. That's all. So it's all we want. Have we ever asked anything of you? Never. Particularly the person I haven't asked anything of before listening. Have I? Particularly any of these people providing money.

Have we ever asked for anything? I think the least they deserve is for you, whoever's listening to this and taking this seriously, to draw them into the thing that we said just before. The horse whisperer, shouter. the Holy Roller The pin of destiny Then we had

The bath bomb We had the bath bomb I've already forgotten all of these We had the Mars Missouri Oh Mars Missouri We had the Never Bester Nester How do you draw that

The drumstick We had the Human Swan Human Swan Human Swan We had we feel the human Human Swan is so good Where do we get to with Marsland

Oh, the puffer fish Ah, yes, of course. That's fun of reminisce. The puff of fish. Nick Thompson was the holy roller. And of course, we finished with Joe Penning. The most recent one. The horse shatter.

The horse shatter. Put them all together and what have you got? The most undefeatable team ever put together. Yes. What's that tagline they use for the most recent Avengers film? It was all like, they said that this is the best that meme

mm hmm yeah Melbourne all I know is Melbourne's all in Melbourne is definitely all in for this yes do you reckon anyone's listen this far God I hope not I hope so

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No, we could do it with it. It is so good. What, uh, well, you know what this week's episode is? We're either going to be talking about oceans eight, which is, uh, the new, uh, the new oceans movie. Yeah. That's right.

Have you seen it yet? I have said it, I liked it. And all we're going to be talking about, Upgrade, which is the new movie by Lee Wynnell from the Saw movie franchise. Oh, cool. And Recovery on Australian TV in the 90s, yeah. He was the movie reviewer on Recovery. Upgrade, what's that about?

It's about a man. Oh, wow. Did Stan Lee come up with that? Have you seen the film? Yeah, sir, just earlier. Does he have some, he's in some sort of car accident? And then they rebuild him? Sort of, yes.

No, you're thinking of a poor guy. Because I auditions for the role. of the weird guy that puts things Really? Okay, you could have been that weird guy I'm going to say you are I picked up the script

First page described it as a small Indian man And I was like, I don't think I'm going to get the role Oh he's not he well A small Indian man didn't get the role Oh my goodness Caucasian man Was he a little bit weird

Because that's how I played it He was extremely weird No not that weird Did you play it weird I was very uptight And yeah it was that Hopefully they've destroyed that video I do not want anyone to see that.

Or hopefully, when we talk to him later in the week, we can get it off him. Oh, you've got Lee Wunnell coming in? We might do, yeah. Oh, sick. Oh, we're going to go to him. Ask him about recovery. That won't be tedious for him. No, don't ask him about recovery.

Ask him to give me some notes on how next time I could get that role. All right. Yes, use your time wisely. I'm all other that. You're pointing at him very threateningly. Sorry, so I'm looking at Lee Wunel. He's embodying the role that he didn't get. A weird man.

I'd love to see it. See how it turned out because I read the whole script. Anyway, it seemed fun. Oh, it's fun, all right. It's fun. Very, very cool. Thanks so much for listening, everyone. We'll be back next week with another episode.

Who knows? Will we hit the two and a half hour mark? We'll find out then. Thanks so much. And until then, I will say goodbye. Later. Thanks, Mesa. Thanks, guys.

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