Two In The Think Tank - 138 - Marvel Characters Special with guest NICK MASON

Episode Date: June 13, 2018

It's a special episode this week with special guest Nick Mason from the Weekly Planet podcast where we each do a mini report on a character from the Marvel Universe! Who do we each choose? Listen to find out!!Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodListen to Maso's podcast here: planetbroadcasting.com/our-shows/the-weekly-planetCheck out our brand new website! (including MERCH!) : dogoonpod.comSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: https://dogoonpod.com/submit-a-topic/Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] AND FURTHER READING:http://marvel.com/characters/23/hawkeyehttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Hawkeyehttp://marvel.com/universe/Hawkeye_(Clint_Barton)#axzz5HnMdSRXfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkeye_(comics)http://ew.com/article/2012/04/29/avengers-files-hawkeye/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eORG3_vxYZkhttp://www.looper.com/116378/marvel-wants-forget-hawkeye/https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hawkeyehttps://screenrant.com/hawkeye-new-look-avengers-3-infinity-war/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/HawkEyehttp://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Jennifer_Walters_(Earth-616)http://marvel.com/characters/51/she-hulkhttps://screenrant.com/she-hulk-marvel-comics-trivia-facts-secrets/https://www.superherostuff.com/biographies/spideybio.htmlhttp://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/spiderman.htmhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/10/14/steve-ditko-the-reclusive-comic-book-legend-who-created-doctor-s/http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/steve-ditko-doctor-strange-c-v-r.htmlhttps://screenrant.com/spider-man-trivia-facts-you-didnt-know/

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You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus Visit PlanetBroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates Hello and welcome to another episode of People's podcast yes to go on My name is Dave one key and I'm sitting here with some beautiful beautiful people. So let's talk to them now It's Jess Perkins, Massachusetts and the fantastic Nick Mason. Oh Thank you. I've always considered myself more like herby the robot. Oh, I always thought of you more as the rock man Yep, my rock always dependable. Oh, I think he weighs us down. Oh Jess, don't tell the truth. It's really an episode. No, no, I have to learn sometime. That's true. Every podcast needs a ballast.

That's right. Every podcast needs a fun stopper. Come on, guys. Stop it. Let's get back to talking. Come on. The people's cork. The people's what? Cork. Stopping the fun. Sure. Oh, okay. The fun's in the bottle. The fun's all right, okay. It's a bottle of fun. What are you keeping your fun in, Matt?

So that's the noise when they put the cork in. Yeah, how often do people put a cork in? I think of champagne, and your poppin' makes it out, and the party starts when you get made so out. Well consider yourself popped, Mason. Thank you. Hello.

Thank you. I can't stop. Some people account the our podcast is only having official episodes when you are on. So what official number episode can we up to? Is this six? I think that feels right. Yeah. Yeah.

Superman. For those who don't know you, you're a legend. Superman, you did a Superman report, you've done a Marvel Universe report, you were on for the Mothman episode. The Elvis episode. You're on for the Elvis and you're also on for the live episode about Loch Nass Monster.

So this is number six. Six. Congratulations. If you haven't heard May so's podcast the weekly planet, we definitely suggest you check it out. You might know his voice from the beginning of every episode of ours from the last 100 episodes. A station idea that gets worse every time.

We recorded. Thank you. More echoes. That's what people demand. I was talking about you the other day to a friend of mine, I don't know, I listened to the podcast and I said, oh, he's a guy at the start and he's like,

oh, the guy that threatens us, yeah, that's hilarious. You're like, we used to go easy on you, but now you have to listen. If you could, if you wouldn't mind. Oh, that's really lovely. The enforcer. A really lovely threat. Yeah.

If you wouldn't mind, please. Should we, we're doing a new thing where we're getting to the topic a lot quicker than we used to? No, you're not. Yeah, we are, we're trying. We're trying to used to. No, you're not. Yeah, we are. We're trying. We're trying to be better. Yeah, that's all.

We annoyed YouTube, so we tried. Well, the people of YouTube do not count. We're trying to be more comfortable. YouTube will complain about anything. We're trying to be YouTube superstars. Oh, Karen, Carrie, I'm going to get it. Our dream is to have a video with one billion views and no dislikes and no negative comments. Is that possible?

You could recreate Gangnam style. That would probably get you a billion views. Oh, the musical song. Yeah, the musicals, I'm sure no one dislikes that. No, that's, well, that got a billion views, I think. That's stupid. One billion views. Yeah.

That's a great amount of views. Well done. So, the singer of the song. No, I don't. Well done. Well done. Don't get me like, I don't. I'm sorry. Well done. Don't look at me like I'm dropping some more.

In case you were thinking I meant the exhale. But do you think, don't most people love the waffle? I love the waffle. I love the concept and the food product, basically. Yeah. Sticking together is what good waffles do. There's the Simpsons reference. Yes. I like to get them out of the way

early as well. Now let's fucking get into it. We're actually, so there's actually going to be four mini reports today. Each of them about a different Marvel character, which is at Marvel if you don't know, is like a superhero universe where people have powers, some of them doing some of them are just real good people. All right, let's get nice to explain that novelist. Look, there are some people and some of them have superpowers and some of them are just real good people. I like the good people.

So let's get just to explain what Marvel is. You see the thing is, Marvel is where a bunch of people exist. Yes. Some of them are just all around good people. Yeah, I feel them. Some snuggies, so much. Oh, hello. Yeah. Something that some of them might not realize is,

some of the people they're also bad, and they're the ones who tend to really get up the grills and in the grills of the good people that we were talking about just before. So you got two sides of the one coin there and that coin is Marvel. Wow. It's a real hero and villain situation. Yeah, that's a really good. I mean, it feels like it up another level. Yes. Yeah, because some of them fly in the Correct. If you do not know what Marvel is, you should go back to our episode about the Marvel universe. And we explain it even better than that. Or you could just go to a theater and just like just go into a random cinema. Just that. You got about a 50, 50 chance of

saying a Marvel. Marvel is point. If you don't know what Marvel is, then you have been living in a bunker for approximately 15 years I've been watching a lot of kids. I know a guy used to live in a bunker, but I won't talk about him because We don't do that anymore. No, no, we can't sleep this episode Okay, I know I get it. I'm a little bit behind I thought we agreed before this They're talking about me. They've grown up in a bunker when it was younger. No big deal.

Sand bunkers. Sand bunkers. Golf camp went really wrong. I think that I really did in grade six. Golf camp. Oh yeah. You didn't think that I could swing a wood, but I can. Oh, okay.

How long is golf camp? I wasn't good at golf. Oh. How long is golf can? I'm also good at golf. Oh. How long is golf can? I think it's probably good for you because it's a tiny club, but your little hands can get around. That's right, I even had a mini set. Fuck off.

I had a little left-handed club when I was, my dad just saved me to the driving range. He gave me my own bucket of balls and a way I'd go. That's a beautiful map. Also a lefty, whenever I would go to the driving range, your only options are like a golf club that's like six feet tall. There's no middle grand. I'll take the two foot tall please. I'm not sure that I knew that you were a lefty. Well there it is. And to bring it all and make Matt feel like the outcast here, when I

play golf, I am left handed, so the set am left-handed So Matt how does it feel to finally? That's weird. I'm normally such a cool popular one with everyone on board with me What's now I feel like I've treated everyone so poorly I remember all those times or I marginalized those who were different from me. Yes like the X-Men Like they're from Marvel. That's something that people don't know. I reckon new people to Marvel don't realize that X-Men is Marvel as well and so is...

That's not that. ...the Fantastic Four is Marvel. The Deadpool Marvel. So there's different cinematic universes but the Marvel Cinematic Universe, we're talking about the broader Marvel Universe, the comic book universe. Anyway, let's get into the fucking show.

Now, Mesa, we, the three of us don't know what topic we're doing. That's true. So we told you used that we made sure there was no double ups. Yes. Is there some sort of logical order that we should go in? I think, to the best of my recollection Dave's character was created first and then Matt's was and then Jess yours was. That makes sense. That makes sense. Chronological order. Because I'm just I'm new age. I keep in modern and styling.

You didn't choose modern woman did you? You'll have to wait and find out. Okay, sit on the edge of my seat. Modern girl, anyway. Dave, kick us off. All right, I've got a question for you all. You can't answer, but I can't answer. Fuck, I didn't write a question. I never do. Anyway, yep.

My question is, in 2013, which Marvel character outsold the Avengers, Batman, and Superman combined 2013 2013 so that's yeah not movie profit but in terms of merchandise oh okay I can them very very popular can you ask that one more time feels like we should know this yes so 2013 which character outsold the Avengers Batman and Superman combined. 2013. It's insane, yeah. In fact, that was the most recent success you got to get. This was a call to CBS.

I feel like, wait, wait, was Batman one of the, no, it's gonna be a Marvel thing? Okay, good. Oh, that could have been a mistake, I'm out. It's good to eliminate early. Spider-Man is very popular. It's Spider-Man! Oh, no.

And web, web, web, web. I shot it in the face. Is that something he does? She's people in the face. Does he use these webs to blind people? He doesn't say it. I mean, not permanent. No, but does he say web?

Just as a prank. Web, web, web, web. The additional onomatopoeia for Spider-Man, I think, is the whip. Wrath, whip. That is such a cool whip. Yes, whip. All right, great. It's not web.

It's the whip your hair back and forth. Like that song from a few years ago. Web your hair back and forth. Well, it could be. But it isn't. Well, I'm working on a few things. All right. A few singles.

All right, that's also about Spider-Man. But it's not Spider-Man. So it was all of many reports. So I've decided to, because Spider-Man is obviously a massive topic, massive character. And we all know a lot about him, or a lot about Spider-Man. But there's a Spider-Man, so it was all of many reports, so I've decided to, because Spider-Man is obviously a massive topic, massive character, and we all know a lot of bad him, or a lot of people. He's actually a small man. He's a teenager.

Yes. He's five foot nine. That's taller than me, carry on. His hair is brown and his eyes are hazel. Oh, days. I can't surprise him with anything. Those might be wrong, I don't know. No, it says here, hazel.

No, what? No, it doesn't. Okay. I'm just starting to focus on the early days of the man with spider abilities. Oh. Whip. Whip. Whip.

Whip. And on whips. Every time you turn the page, you can go thwip. So we know how to read along. And focus on his creators. Do you know who they are? The two people? I'm guessing Stan Lee and Jeff Kirby.

Jack Kerouac. Wow. Slowing it in the world of comedy. John Qzak. Yes. JK Rowling. JK Qzak What's his name? It's is that guy Jack Kirby? Jack Kirby is not Which is what I thought it would be don't keep guessing because you won't know Matt oh Johnson neopold the 15th

Well, he's badly lost somehow stumbled upon the correct Very embarrassed you to look in Well, he's badly lost. Somehow stumbled upon the correct answer. And I look very embarrassed. You do look embarrassed. Get all the time. Get this face off, what was I going to say? Anyway. Nicholas Cage movie. John Travolta. Classic.

It is good. It is a great film. It really is. This is silly already. Thwip. Okay, Spider-Man. Thwiped into the world in 1962 in amazing fantasy volume 15. It really is. This is silly already. Swip, okay, Spider-Man! Swiped into the world in 1962 in amazing fantasy volume 15.

A monthly issue, originally titled Amazing Adventures for the first six issues, and then the next date were called Amazing Adult Fantasy, which to me sounds like something completely different. What's your amazing adult Tennessee day? A swip, swip, swip it out. Swip it good. The great Stan Lee who we've talked about on Mesa's history of Marvel episodes had an idea for a new superhero initially called Spider-Man.

Oh, so initially. So he's got that, okay. Just first drafted it. With no hyphen. There's a hyphen. Yeah, this is a fact. Fun fact. Hyphen. That's a spider. Swip man. Spy. Hyphen, demand. That'd be much artistic license. You can put it wherever you want. Sometimes it's spider-mat. That'd be much artistic license. You can put it wherever you want. Sometimes it's spider-mat. That's what we've actually had in our iPhone. I'm putting the iPhone right at the end. Spider-mat. That's when you couldn't get the handle. You have to put a half at the end. At Spider-man, right? So we wanted a character called Spider-Man and had initially asked legendary artist Jack Kirby,

Matt's friend. Okay. On the road, great novel. Yeah. It's seminal. Thwip, thwip. Thwip. So you asked Jack Kirby to pencil the accompanying art, but Lee found Kirby's work too straightforwardly

heroic for this character. So he recruited Steve Ditko. Oh Ditko. Steve Dit he recruited Steve Ditko. Oh Ditko. Steve Ditko. A man who was started his career by drawing horatidles. Ooh. Just a bit, edgey. A bit edgey.

So he just did a lot of that goose bumps riding with like a dripping blood. He invented that. Whoa. Duh, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, he only drew it to that. He only drew it to that theme. He's like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. On paint, that's called Ditko. He'd only draw to that. He'd only draw to that theme. D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d.

On paint, that's called, didco. Oh, that's not true, is it? I can't. Can Femme nor Deny? Yep, I can't. I can't. Oh, I can't. I can't.

Any sort of biography, have you read that? Steve didco's autobiography. No, Lee, I was about to say so. I don't think so, no. I'm actually just got a few different books. Yeah. Are you calling yourself a nerd? Do you call yourself a nerd?

No, how dare any of you. Yeah, kind of. Does it say so on your business card, doesn't it? My business cards say the talent and talent is in quote marks. That's it. I love that one. Actually, I've wanted to get a card. No, you are a nerd. I'd love to see the stuff. I love that. I want that.

I need that. Give it to me. So any sort of bug for you, Stanley, sites the non-superhuman 1930s. No, Jess. Sorry, I was stammering on that for quite a while. I think you're, how long have you passed? We've missed Jess's and now it's on your topic. I'm just going to talk long? No, past. Well, we've missed Jess's and now it's on to your topic. Ah.

I'm just gonna talk about Stanley's autobiography. He says, the non-superhuman 1930s and 40s pulp magazine crime fighter, The Spider. The Spider. Oh. Was a great influence. If only he could make the Spider some sort of man. What was the Spider previously? A spider?

Let me tell you, the Spider character that inspired me was a millionaire playboy Richard Wentworth. Do you know how much I'm adding myself? Dick Wentworth. Look, if I can summarize every pulp hero, like in one brief paragraph, it's just a guy with a mask and two guns. He's got a trench coat and a hat and probably a little face covering and he's got two guns and he just shoots people in the mob. That's all of them.

Well, you're pretty spot on because my next two words were masks vigilantly. Are the stories often involved are bizarre menace to the country and a criminal conspiracy and were often extremely violent with death tolls routinely running into the thousand. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no That was the people who died in this comic. It's crazy. He was kicking him all the dead.

Well, the story's often ended with Wentworth killing the villains and stamping their corpses with his spider mark. Oh, like he's branding them. Yeah, he branded the dead body. That's weird. Where are these thousands of people coming from? No, it's amazing. They're all bad, I'm guessing.

He is not blowing up peak hours, right? No, I think that's right. She was, I think, the villain is killing thousands of people before the spider catches up with him. Hurry up, spider. It's not a great job. Imagine if that was reality how much smaller our current world population would be.

Think about that. I'm not really making things up. That's not good, isn't it? But Stanley was like, what about a hero that actually saved some people from time to time? Wait, so the spider was a bad guy? No. He stopped the person killing thousands of people.

Why did he stamp their faces? To be like, don't do that again, even though they did. It worked every time. They didn't do it again. No repeat of anything. He saw a correlation between him stamping him and the grass. He was really more about education. Oh, yeah. Prehabilitation. Yeah. Yeah. Mess with me and you'll get killed also on mark your corpse. And at a 10. You won't do it again.

Capitif. Right. Sister. Cops. A rigidity. Seven. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha terrible. So Stanley wanted a spider man and he got Steve Ditko to draw the character. Lee and Ditko had worked together for years and then method was basically Lee would throw a story idea to Ditko a little more than an outline and the artist would develop a sketch version, rough out some dialogue and even conceive an overarching plot. That's the, I remember that's what my soul said. So it'd be- Did they get us to do all the work? Stanley got, oh, just think that maybe there's like a guy.

Yeah, and I mean, feeling the banks from there. Oh, this is great. This is a great co-creation of ours. Maybe it'd be in a fight sequence. Just crunch out the details and be fine. No, don't worry. I've given you the main barons of that. You just feel a bit of the meat.

Like all of the meat. Did you go out and get ingredients or keep meat? Inventing the spider sense of danger, the spider sense, as well as designing iconic baddies like the green goblin and Sandman. Oh, who was in... Thomas Hayden Church of Sideways fame. Yes.

Spider-Man 3. Yes. Sandman. Bring me the news. Dabababab. Am I a singing song right? I don't think I am. Steve Ducato also wrote that song.

Yep. Please bring me your magic beans. Mr. Sandman give me a scene. Man, that was beautiful. Thank you. That was incredible. Thank you. That is incredible. Thank you. That is a song though, isn't it?

Some of that? Some of that is a song. Yes, and is it Sandman Related? Yeah. Okay, great. This is another barbershop quartet type thing. Mr. Sandman. Kimleen, go on.

According to SuperheroStuff.com. Yes, the Fave website. That's my new home screen. My new home screen. Oh, the Fave website. That's my, we won there as well. My new home screen. Oh, do you have a widget on your phone? Yeah, I know. Yeah, great. Hello, tech shit. Well, this is from Jess's Fave website. The first Spider-Man story was originally intended as no more than a one-shot experiment, a one-thwip experiment, if you will. And almost didn't get into print at all. This is a quite

here from Lee. Martin Goodman, who founded Marvel, who talked about him I said, so didn't want to publish it recalls Dan Lee. Goodman was convinced that readers would find the subject of spiders distasteful. Yeah, it makes me feel all, yeah. Yucky. Yucky. Oh. It's not dinner table, dinner table sort of discussion in topics. Spiders. No, no, no.

Could you just make it about a man? That's just a man. The less offensive part of that title, yes. A leelator said that the fact that it had already been decided that amazing fantasy would be canceled after issue 15 was the only reason good old, sorry, good man allowed him to use Spider-Man. So he knew that that was the last edition of this thing ever. So who gives shit, he can have your Spider-Man.

So this is what happens in the first ever Spider-Man story, again, taken from superherostuff.com. Have you read the original one, Moza? No, well not read the original one, Moza? Well, not the original original one. Oh, okay, well, close up a fan. But I've read this, yes. Close up a nerd. Do you close up a fan?

You're a Spider-Man fan? I'm a Spider-Man fan, yeah. Spider-Man fan. I hate myself. I'm so sorry. I'm so tired. Was that the theme song of fireman sand? No. Okay, good.

What do you mean by that? Oh, I don't know, actually. Hey, Dave, can I ask why you chose the Spider-Man? Now, I chose the Spider-Man because the... So Marvel sent us a pair of shoes each, which is very, very nice. And I chose the one with the different faces of characters on there. There's the Hulk, design man, Thor, etc. And I wanted to choose one of those

characters. So anyone ever stopped me in the street and was like, tell me about your shoes, I'd be like, well, here's some Spider-Man facts, quick to the face. Dave, don't. It's absolutely not on the street. So that's what I chose Spider-Man. And also, you know, famous character. Yeah. He's a nerdy little we wean. I had a few comics growing. I didn't buy that many. Mostly stolen. I get it. Yes, mostly the fantasy of my game.

Most of them are the fans, and which I get bullied for by everyone. I understand. But some of them were the Spider-Man comics. So I was a fan as a kid. I just had Archie comics. Oh, they're pretty cool. I just had Tism comics.

Do they have comics? Yeah. Yeah, they do. That's really cool. Hey Dave. Okay. The first part of my story, I'm trying to tell you about it. I know, it's time to tell you to tell me about it. In the original story from August 1962, Peter Parker is a bookish,

bespectacled high school student, isolated and unpopular. And all of it. Probably because he has glasses. The Ned. Dave, do you find that relatable? Well, I didn't wear glasses. A pop thing else is also unreliable to me. I just played golf at a golf camp, okay? I was just remembered he was in a skaband.

I think he was cool, okay? Scooby-D-Bop-Bop-Bop-Bop. I wasn't in a skat man. That would have been cool. Let me silence the bullets with a bit of a scat. They're all thwip. They never saw it coming. They never saw it coming.

It's all the same to me. I don't relate to this next bit. He's an orphan and lives with his elderly relatives, Aunt May and Uncle Ben. While attending a science exhibit, Peter has been by a spider that has accidentally received a dose of radioactivity. Whoa! Can you imagine such a thing? As a result. That's my house. Just didn't know this. Whoa.

I'm easily impressed. So, hang on. Ricka. The character is Spider-Man. So hang on, break up. The character is Spider-Man, and in the in-history, a spider exists. Yes, whoa. I know what you're thinking. This is pretty distasteful.

Put it away, mate. It's disgusting. But as a result of this spider, Peter acquired the agility and proportionate strength of an arachnid, sciencey word for spider. Okay. He's trying to break it down. What do they call him a raccoon boy? Good. So much more tasteful. That must be a thing that comes up a bit that he's called man, even though he's a boy. A raccoon lad. Is that that did he choose the name? I mean, I just know he doesn't I don't think he does

I think dad might get to that. I think the name is chosen for him. Oh if I recall you're gonna get to That's interesting yeah, I guess all content I'm a proper place to jam down He shows his own superhero uniform. I don't know that. And he uses his scientific knowledge to build mechanical devices that eject sticky webbing. But he is less interested in fighting crime than in making a buck. Disguised as Spider-Man, he becomes a professional wrestler.

The ring and answer calls him Spider-Man. Oh. He starts out as a wrestler. And demonstrates hisities on television. He Blathley ignores the chance to stop a fleeing thief, but his indifference ironically catches up with him when the same criminal later robs and kills Uncle Ben. Oh, right. And then there's the famous Uncle Ben line about that, you know, just believing yourself, boy, I love you.

I'll get to that line. That's it. But I was always saying that, yeah. Believe in yourself, boy, I love you. He's always telling it to younger superheroes. The only nickname is Uncle Ben. Thank you. Believe in yourself, boy.

I love you. It's okay. Whenever he's kicking a bad guy into the patty wagon, that's what he leaves him with as well. Love you. Love you. That's nice. Eventually Spider-Man subdues the murder.

Murderer. But for a Tiffle Peter Parker, there is no peace. He wanders remorsefully off into the night to the accompaniment of Lee's now famous caption. I'm proud of you, boy. Love you. With great power, boy, love you. With great power, they must also come. Great responsibility.

That's the subtext, if you're able to find the lines. I don't know that it is. Love you. So that's the first issue. The introduction of Spider-Man was an unexpected hit and a few months later, they got the sales figures and it turned out that issue was one of their best sellers ever. Whoa! So they were very, very surprised by this. So of course the unexpected success of Spiderman. He would have known that the American people wanted such smut. I know, such a

distasteful, craved-out. So of course now he's popular. Marvel, well he's got his own, he's own car. I know we nearly said no to this, but now he's going to have his own comic book. Wow, but because it was so unexpected it took time to develop the art of the amazing Spider-Man number one debut the next year in March 1963. Eventually it would become Marvel's top selling series. It was a hit with the kid kids of the 60s. In fact, in 1965, Esquire Poll of college campuses found that college students ranked Spider-Man and fellow Marvel hero the Hulk Alongside Bob Dylan and Che Guevara as their favorite revolution Wow revolutionary I come We talk about Che Guevara

Hulk smash what a revolutionary He's changing everything. Wow pollutionary. He's changing everything. Wow. So the co-creator Steve did co-departed in 1966 after issue number 38 and has become a legendary comic recluse. And in 1966 he had the Saints won the Premiership in the VFL. He decided to retire on top. The decimal currency came into Australia. And the England won the World Cup soccer. And the year Steve did co-left Marvel. Oh, yeah. The top four circles. How did you bring it back? I don't know. It's like an episode of

Seinfeld in here. It just came to you. All the threads. So Steve Dicco has become a recluse. He hasn't given an official interview since 1968. At the time of recording, still I've aged 90 and working in his own New York studio. Still working? Superannuation plan needed a bit of extra, a bit of a bit of bloody attention then, didn't it? Superannuation. You know what I mean? You say that because you allegedly wanted more money from Marvel, Boss Martin Goodman, as merchandising income had become very lucrative over the first few years of Spider-Man, which to me is very understandable, but apparently wasn't getting a big cut. He also had a falling out with Stan Lee. Neither man has ever made it clear exactly how their relationship broke down, but it was common knowledge that over

the last few months of working together, they didn't even speak to each other. There were only exchanging art and dialogue pages through intermediaries. So, Kevin, can you tell Stan that he has left a pastor in the fridge, and I am not happy with it? Well, Kevin, you can tell Steve that that was his pastor and that he should have to deal with it. Who's pastor is this?

Hang on. Mystery pastor. This is all about a pastor. The Bible universe is so confusing. It is. It's very, very... Can never follow the pastor's threat. Can you tell Steve that I just want...

Can you just create another character? Just... You can be a... Give him some power. I think it's sort of a man. Yeah, it's sort of a man. We do. Maybe mixing with another thing.

Well, you tell Stan that I'm going to do that, but but I'm not gonna be happy about it. Like a log? What about a log? A log man. Guess that's how I'm grute. This went on for months. That went on for months. I'm grute, not his name. Like I was gonna say,

do you think he's name is I am grute? No, I was saying grute in his language. He's saying it, yes. Which is? I'm grute. is? I understand stuff. Did you know that in Guardians of the Galaxy, that movie we've all seen, Vin Diesel, who was the voice of I am Groot or just Groot? He got his own version of the script where all the I am groups were translated so he would know what he was Oh, so he could sort of do the right sort of time. Yeah Very committed like Experience yeah, absolutely that's right. What's an always motivation at all time? It is his voice even recognizable

Not really That's nothing about that feels unnecessary and when he's a like his baby group they've like they've like cranked it all the way up So yeah, that yeah still him yeah It could easily not be cast Bradley Cooper in a role where you're not gonna see that beautiful fucking face and he's not You can't hear his voice No, that's him Let's just to put the name at the top I guess which I you know anyway He's more than just a beautiful ball of fire. Oh, he's not.

It's all right there. He's not at all. He's a beautiful pair of big blues, and that's it. Oh, he is. He is. Nothing underneath. Get rid of the rest of his head. Just get those eyes out.

Put them on the big silver screen. Beautiful boy. Just two eyes floating. Two eyes. Three hours. It was an epic. I'd watch that. No, I would not have a nap.

I'm very tired. I'm given the option. Yeah. Apparently Stan Lee did some things to piss off, Ditco. When filling in dialogue on Ditco's roughly penciled out pages, Lee sometimes misidentified characters, which is a bit of a fuck up, and was reportedly frustrated with some of the artist storytelling decisions. So they are often fought back and forth.

In a 2001 essay, Ditco wrote, I know why I left Marvel, but no one else in this universe knew or knows why. It may be of a mild interest to realize that Stanley chose not to know or hear why I left. For decades, it was rumored that Lee and Ditko split was caused by a disagreement about who they'd reveal as the alter ego of the Spider-Man villain, Green Goblin. But Ditko finally dispelled this notion in 2015 when he published another essay that said his reason for leaving was much simpler. Why should I continue to do all these monthly issues? He says he thought to himself original ideas, material for a man who was too scared, too angry over something, to even see or talk to me. I love the 50 years later.

Yeah, right, still. Yeah. So good. So good. The story is that one day Ditko just left. He had it in his final pages of artwork and when Lee came into work, he was told Ditko quit and they never saw each other again. That's beautiful.

He did a quit co. Let's be called him. Fuck yes. I've done that. Done a Ditko quit co. Just did a quit co. That's what we called them. Fuck yes. I've done that done a did go a quick Go left a job. Oh, that is so good. I feel great. I can quit. Yeah, I just like got my stuff and left Pick up your pot and plant yeah got out of there and how many essays have you written about quitting? Well, it was it was Probably 40 years ago probably 40 years ago, so a hundred at least.

It's funny, like so many people have big things happen in their life early on. Like this guy with many studies, I can't make it with that. And I'm starting big and I'm gonna start narrowing in from there. Oh, okay, sorry. And they'll obsess with it for the rest of their lives. But this is one of the rare occurrences

where people actually give a shit. Like he writes an essay, there'll be old people everywhere going, still fuming about some dumb thing that happened in a work situation decades ago. But this one, people like, what's to give us say this time? Tell us, please tell us the truth about that petty cobble you had. Cobble? Yeah, cobble. Cobble you had. I love that cobble. I love that cobble. Is quibble also a thing? I think you were thinking of quibble. Yeah, Cwobble. Cwobble your head. I love that Cwobble. I love that Cwobble. Is Quibble also a thing? I think you were thinking of Quibble. I don't think Quibble's worth. Oh my god! You are very powerful. I fully bought that.

Cwobble. Wow. I think you're Quarral. Quarral. Quarral and squabble. I think squabble. Squabble. Quibble. Quibble. Quibble's not a worst. Quibble. But now it's Quarral. Quarral. Hey, the English language. Quaggle's what the Harry Potter people chase after. You're thinking of the fruggles. I think you're the fruggles. The frugal rock. You're thinking about muggles. Muggles. Harry Potter's chase after. Quidditch. Oh, you're only thinking about the quaffes. The quaffes. The quaffes. I did code back on Jess. A quacker. That's an animal. In Harry Potter. I hit small animals. Yeah, anyway, Steve did co-wanna Quaker from Stanley in a quidditch match and then the results of a disbude ever since. Dick I was famous for creating another character, Dr. Strange. I like him. One of the more unconventional Marvel characters. Over the years, Steve did return to Marvel semi-reguli

sort of on a contract basis just sort of freelancing He created cult superhero and squirrel girl in 1992. Do you know that? I do know squirrel girl. Yeah, yeah, that's a favorite what her deal. She's unbeatable Really? Yeah. Yeah. How many unbeatable superheroes are there? They're just the one. I mean it versus her She's up and everyone respects that. They're all pretty much. Yeah. What cool? Why what does that mean? Is she in the Marvel? Yeah, and she's undefeatable. Yes. Is she hot? She is squirrel. I'm not sure how to answer that. She's got a tail

She is squirrel. Not you had to answer that. She's got the tail. She's not the fetable on the dance floor. I would imagine so, yeah. Why, what does this mean? There's an undefeatable, why don't, I guess they're not able to use it much because that would make everything boring.

Correct. Right. And she's not the most serious character. I mean, her name is Squirrel Girl. So, I love her. What's her real name? I can't remember. I was like, I can't remember. What's a real name? I can't remember. I was like, I can't remember.

That's an interesting man. I can't remember. I can't remember. Remember. Her real name is spider met. Typhon added just from a posh family. Oh, double barrel. Dave, do you remember Jess said, let's try and keep the reports

to 10 to 15 minutes each? He's editing on the fly. That is physically impossible for me. Your report is a lot better than mine, all right? That's a lot of, I was trying to say. Oh, okay, sorry. Didn't mean to show you. I'm nearly done.

I just wanted to talk about him off his freelance stuff. My favorite Steve Ditko novel when I went back into his back catalog is Chuck Norris and the Karate Commandos. Oh. Published in, by Marvel in 1987. Very good. Steve did carry novel when I went back into his back catalog is Chuck Norris and the karate commandos Publiced by Marvel in 1987 very good. So in a way Chuck Norris is a Marvel superhero. He's in the universe. Is that right? Sure, can I just say yes. Okay. Yes, but really no Oh, so that wasn't a I wasn't a Marvel it would have been a marvel But it would have been licensed would have been a separate universe

So that wasn't a, it wasn't a Marvel. It would have been a Marvel, but it would have been licensed. It would have been a separate universe. Right. It would have been in the Chuck Norris first. Ah, so the Marvel made comics aren't always in the Marvel universe. That is correct, yes. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah.

That's disappointing. The Chuck. What do you mean, cool, Chuck? Chuck in there. It would be cool. I mean, maybe though, sometimes they go in and out. Like Spider-Man's, Spider-Man's been in the Transformers and GIGO universe as well at some point so really it's a bit of a mixed bag So there is room for Chuck Norris in the Avengers. There is room. Yeah, that'd be fucking sick

I'm gonna wrap up my dick her report by saying you imagine a man that is co-created like I said the most lucrative comic book character in 2013, he'd be a rich rich man. Though in 2012 he said he had not received any money from this four-spider-man films. What? This is an I-mowner at the top at least. But he's also said he refused a check for the first one, claiming that he wanted all merchandising money owed or none of it. Well, that makes no sense at all. Business decision. Yeah, that's often the way. I think, I don't know if it's gonna come up

in your guys' report, but I think it's quite common that there's a lot of, this character has made $200 billion in sales and the artist received none of that. Oh, so, yeah, things are looking up in the industry, but there's a lot of that. I did read a Vulture article where journalist Abraham Reisman tried to meet

Ditkew at his office. Because he's a writer. You know Reisman. You know Reisman, yeah. From the half universe. Yeah, yeah. It's very popular at weddings. Because in the...

Ah! Ah! Ah! That is such a good joke. Ah! It is! We worked on that together before the show. It's very good.

Yeah, yeah. And I said, I would say that. Yep. We worked on that together before the show. It's very good stuff. And I said I would say that. Yep. So because he said the time was running out in the report and I knew that you've had a mentioned rice man. So basically when Dr. Strains and movie came out a bunch of people researched, you know, they wanted to meet the creator of it.

So they tried to track him down. There's a few articles about trying to meet the recluse. So he went to meet Dittco in his office. And whilst he was waiting there, he ran into one of the neighbors who gave him some goss. Oh, hello. Love goss from neighbors. He said one time about 10 years ago, I accidentally got a piece of his mail. Eyebrows rising scandalously. I hope. Rising. Rising. That's on my something. That movie is very popular at weddings.

She's right. She's right. She used to be thrown at weddings. Is it not anymore because it's a poisonous to birds? Yeah, birds blow up. Okay. Or they don't feel good about it. Confetti, I mean, I think all of that is pretty much found upon these days.

And these bloody PC times. That's right. Bubbles? Bubbles, yeah. You can have bubbles. You release instead of killing birds with rice, you release thousands of doves. Oh nice, that's good. Yeah, you've kidnapped previously. And then bigger birds choke on them. Yeah. It's beautiful. So she opened the did it go male. She said I opened it and then realized

it wasn't mine because the check had too many zeros. She said it was from a movie studio and that when she gave it to me. I reckon if she just looked at the name, that would have been the way to find out if it was for her or not. She said she gave it back to him. He just took it and said nothing. He's a bit of a cranky old man.

A lot of people say that he doesn't say much. The journals eventually got an answer when he knocked on Ditko's door, you knocked a few times. And when he asked, are you Mr Ditko? He fired his brow, shook his head and slammed the door of the guy's face. So what a guy. So are you Ditko? That's fast. Oh, it's so weird that he wasn't like, come on in. You Ditko. It turns up in

my house and goes, oh, are you just Perkins? I'm going to be like, I'm closing the door and calling the police. What is the police? Just in case any of you are planning on arriving in my house. I guess you call the double police. Yeah. I call the police on the police. Wow. Police police. The tow cutters they call them. The police police. The tow cutters. Yeah. I hate that. It's just a thing. I don't get it. What's not a joke? It's just what they call it. I just don't get it and I don't like it. All right. I have some fun facts. So they go now, should we save them?

We'll forget. We'll forget your topic I think. Yeah, just go with them. Go for it. Okay. Let's get fun. You tell me they're fun, Jesse or the fish judge. Peter Parker. Pacta picks a purse of pickers. No, you're okay. I'm not okay.

All right. Peter Parker proposes to his girlfriend Mary Jane Watson in issue 182 in July 1978 She turned him down in the following issue He didn't propose again for nine years But they were still together the whole time well, yeah, I was up some downs. May so you know for sure Yeah, it's probably fair enough. I probably got nothing about that. I the way. No, no, no, no. So why would you go? Hmm. I think it balls in her court, really.

And also 90s and comic book times, like, three weeks. Oh, yeah. And also, yeah, exactly. That's right. If you've said no, you don't then keep asking. That's creepy. It's up to you guys as a couple to then have. Wait, no, it is.

No, Dave. Have a mature discussion, Dave. Have a mature discussion, say it. You capable of it? A doubt it. This wasn't something that I'm ready for now, but I'd like to keep the dialogue open. Let's keep chatting. Let's check in. I want to make sure we're on the same page. Well, they checked in nine years later and she said yes.

Yay! Were the wedding taking place in the amazing Spider-Man annual number 21? And then he thwipped it out. Nice. Also they did it like a... The intervening nine years was just those conversations. So it was just a lot of... Come on! Don't you think it ed Chapins it when they do a magazine deal

like that? Celebrity couples. So they sell the photos. Yeah, gross. Yeah, you're like, what did you need the money? Yeah. Who's this for? Oh.

Yeah, is it for you or is it? It's just a show. For the fans. For the fans. Oh, fans. For the fans. Oh, it's for the fans. For the money. Oh. Anyway, this wedding was promoted with a real-life mock wedding using models, including Tara

Shannon as Watson. This article said, like I didn't know who that is. I didn't know there was. On June the 5th, 1987, an event at Che stadium taking place at home plate in front of more than 45,000 fans just before the New York Mets played the Pittsburgh Puppets. Oh, okay. That was there for the base for it.

Yeah, 45 hours of people did not turn up for a fake wedding. Shae Saida, that's where the Beatles played, isn't that a huge show? I think it is, yeah. The ceremony was attended by other models portraying the incredible Hulk, Captain America, Iceman, Fire Start, the Green Goblin and Dr. Doom, and they stopped the war on Christmas Day and they all played soccer. Much like that.

Much like that. The bad guys attend the good guys' weddings. The wedding was officiated by Stan Lee. It was not. He was the celebrity. Wow. Is that a fun fact? Yes It was not. Yeah, he was the celebrity. Wow. Is that a fun fact? Yes.

Yes. Well done. All right, one more, one more. No. You had one. Oh, but this is fun. Ugh. Go on. Spongebob has had many enemies over the years,

including the Australian Frank Oliver. AKA the kangaroo. The kangaroo. The kangaroo. Yeah. It's a great Frank Oliver. He's not even Australian. His power is he went to Australia and he He's a kangaroo. Yeah. It's a great, Frank, all over the place. He's not even Australian. His power is he went to Australia and he learned to jump

like kangaroos. Wow. That's his power. As a young man who studied kangaroos, it does say in his native Australia. Oh, okay, sorry, sorry guys. He should be kangaroo men. Hmm, kangaroo jack.

There it is. Oliver is a kangaroo jack. So this is his story. He lived, ate and traveled with with the kangaroos developing a leaping ability that rivaled the animals he studied. Seeing an opportunity to make money, Oliver decided to parlay his newfound leaping abilities into a boxing career. He's just jumps over them. Yeah. You spit what? Yes. They get tired and give up. Superior speed and agility allowed him to best opponents time and time again. During one match, Oliver jump kicked. That's not legal. One opponent.

These supervillains, they're always doing things that are legal. He hit one opponent in the face severely injuring them. Facing criminal charges, Oliver fled to the United States. Once he arrived, he was discovered without a passport and held for deportation. Rather than be deported, he broke free from detention and embraced a life of crime, calling himself the kangaroo.

What a backstory. That's interesting, a cospotter man started as a wrestler, kangaroo started as a boxer. That's true. Geez, they do have a lot of fresh ideas, don't they? Sometimes they're boxer, sometimes MMA, it's them. MMA, MMA.

But that is our good friend, the amazing spider, Hyphen Man. Hooray! Like the plus, golfer plus for you. Thank you, which I am very accustomed to. I know. He is one of the most popular all-time superheroes I do believe. Spider-Man. Yeah.

It's a big seller. Based on that merch. I think he's cool. I think he's cool. He's cool. Okay. Oh, he's so cool. We're going to give a word on the end of each one, saying whether we think they're cool or not.

Spider-Man's cool. And Spider-Man is like the first of like the... He's like the hard luck hero, because the spider, because they pride a spider man, they're all just millionaire playboys. Which is pretty boring. Yeah, I feel like fighting crime, I guess. I'll just put on my mask and shoot some people.

I'll shoot thousands of people. I guess that's what I'll do. I really like the homecoming movie from a couple of years ago. That's a good one. Yeah, I thought it was really fun. The biggest thing I've taken away, though, is that in Spider-Man's world exists a spider. Whoa. Whoa.

So, Mesa, who was going next in the camera? I believe it's Matt's Jewish. And you were just right by two years in chronologically speaking. Oh. Sorry if you were going to do two years in chronologically speaking. Oh. Sorry if you were going to do the kangaroo mass. But, Spiderman was 62? Yes. My character, Deboodin 64.

I'm 64. The question is, which Marvel superhero shares their name with a city in Iowa and a character in TV's Mash? Hawkeye! Hawkeye! Hulkye! Hulkye!

Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye!

Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! Hulkye! I like Hawkeye Hawkeye's cool. Hold on, which one? The city or the character? There's a Hawkeye city? Yeah, Hawkeye, Iowa. Is that a great city? I don't want to go there. So, also, Hawkeye from Mash is awesome.

But Hawkeye from a Marvel Universe, also, pretty cool. Yeah. Is that a popular opinion on my wrong? Look, I think the consensus is because he's just a guy with a bow and arrow. Yeah. It's kind of lame. But then on the other end of the spectrum, he's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one who's not the only one for whatever reason who my favorite Avenger is and I've come I've started saying is it just me constantly So what do you do? I'll message a mat if you come around You're an old guy. What are you doing? What are you doing? What do you do? Where do you sit on those two? I like Hawkeye a lot I think is it yeah easy?

Is it your favorite Avenger? When I was a kid was Iron Man I think Before he was famously had Iron Man's beard for quite a while. I did have that for a while That's true. Iron Man's beard he quite a while. I did have that for a while. That's true. By Iron Man's beard, he's the same. But that was a lot of work. So I've got rid of it. I think of all kinds of beard. And maybe. Let's talk about the beard. Sometimes he has a beard. Okay. Maybe he goes undercover. He has a beard. You don't know. You don't know. Because he's undercover. Yeah, you wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. Stop pretending like you know Dave. I know. I'm so sorry about Dave. That's quite right. But yeah, because he's the underdog. He's the guy, you know, if he's written well, he's the guy who's like, well, there's a reason he's he's in the Avengers because he's got a lot of arrows. You know, that's the thing. I always

think about that as well. Like, you know, Thor's got a hammer that is, you know, until someone breaks it. It is, it's got infinite usage. Whereas a guy with a bag of ours on his plastic bag. Yeah. He's got seven or eight shots. And then he's, what, is he twiddly his thumb? So the battle's over. Sometimes he twiddles. Yeah, it's a twiddle.

Mm-hmm. Loves a twiddle. Anyway, um, we all love a twiddle. Swap. Swap. I, um, I went, I took this in a slightly different direction. No, that's cool. I quite enjoyed your report and how you did it. I think that would be more interesting. I did mind.

What do you want to say? I like it. Like the way you did it. I did it better. I thought that's where you get. My, my reports more about the fictional character Hawkeye. No, that's cool. Um, as, rather than the, the people behind him, If I could just say, whoa. Sorry. Never could go to me. If there's a character called Hawkeye, you have to conceive of in the Marvel Universe, there's Hawks.

Whoa, yeah. And this eye's. Yeah, can we get a brother, Cooper, play the eye? Oh, I'm gonna get a brother? Cooper play the Oh Those eyes on a hawk That bird will be a bird's flying the king of the birds It's a Hawkeye king of the birds man. Oh, it would be in that scenario. That's a current king of birds. It's a powerful bird big bird

Big bird got me more big bird It's Bradley Cooper Hawkeye. His nemesis is Big Bird. Yep, he's gonna kick the shit out of it. The eyes I'm thinking of specifically are from the film The A-Team. A-Team? Oh, he's either dreamiest in the A-Team.

Different eyes in the A-Team? Yeah. Wow. No, he doesn't, David's just, there's a shot at the very end, where he's been taken away, and he's just a close-up shot of his face and his eyes are beautiful. Put them on a hawk. Fucking, yes.

Put them on a hawk in a very particular, just lash them off. Yeah. The hawk still retains its own eyes. Yeah. I sure. No, it has double eyes. Double hawk eye. Now, that has double eye. Whoa, double-hole-eye!

Now that is a superpower. That is a superpower. I'm actually really just to hear about the character because I don't know very much about Hulk-eye. I'll give you a little preview. He's origin. He's very stupid. Yes!

Yes! Well, I believe there's a few different ones. Anyway, let's get into it. He was created again by Stanley, and I again, Stanley went, yeah, it's some guy with arrows. Yeah, handballed him. And artist Don Heck. And Don Heck was famous for what else did Don Heck create?

Did he, oh, oh, Don Heck. Didn't mean to put it on the spot there. No, that's right, you definitely. A guy you liked as a child. Oh, I'm an artist. Oh, I'm an artist. Really? Or, right, maybe not. All right. Oh, I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. Really? Or, right, maybe not.

Alright. I had full confidence in that. I got so confident that I wrote it down until you looked at me like I was a fucking idiot. Maybe you did. No, I appreciated that. You've helped me to account there. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no thing. So you said your favorite was Iron Man. Yes. You're now wearing a Mr. America shirt. Correct. Captain America shirt. Yes. Mr. America, when he's off duty. Yes. Please. Mr. America is my father. Paulie Chad America. My father was not in the army. There's this few right. There's this last Iron Man merchandise that you'd think. Yeah, right.

There's there's fewer right this list. This is a memory that you think yeah right. Yeah, guess is not Yeah, what a that symbol was got like the hashtag sort of look. I do have one of those lights up Wow, you're not wrong. Yeah, whoa So here's alter ego's name anyone know this Don't hit it is name. Anyone know this? I'm mad at you. I'm mad at you. Don't hit. Clint. Clint. Yes.

Clintons. Yes. Francis Spartan. Natasha Romanoff calls him Clint. Yes. He calls her Nat. Because they're best friends. They're best friends.

And I love that they're best friends. It's okay. Would you know it's hot? At least the coatings in the mouth got. I'm gonna say 5'11. 6'3." Oh, he's okay! Would you know his height? At least the current in the Marvel Club. I'm gonna say 5'11. Six three. Ooh! He's not the new madness.

I think this is obviously in the comic book world. I think he doesn't seem that tall in the moves. No, no, no, no. And he's about 230 pounds, which is about 105 kilograms. He's a beast. He's a broadside of the world. Well, the thing that I enjoyed the most is when they all go high at Hawkeye's house.

And you find out he has a family, right? And everyone's like, you have a family, but Nat is like, hey guys, because she knows them all. Because they're best friends. They're best friends. Oh my God, they're just saving the world, but they're driving a little car, and they're like, what are you doing? What are you doing after this?

Oh, I'm not going to fix the kitchen, I don't know. I love it so much. It's good. It's great. It's just like one day I hope to find out if you guys have a family. Oh, are they together? No. Oh, okay. All right, we should probably tell listeners only three of the four of us care about Marvel

in the room. Certainly, Jess doesn't know anything. I'll probably say if we were on a spectrum, it would be... We're on a spectrum, basically. Maceo's deep marvel, then Jess, then me, then, Warnakie is, well, you're not even on the spectrum, I may. Thought I'd bluffed my way through the Spider-Man report quite well. I'm amazed, I'm qualified in something.

Big time. You did call him Spoderman for most of my stuff. I picked up on it. I picked up on it, but not everyone in the world. Nobody else would have noticed that. That's incorrect. Well, I mean, it can go either way, you know. It depends. He was bitten by a radioactive spoda.

Clint. What is his lursubes now? I'm going to excited. Uh, Clinton Francis Barton. Oh, that is good shit. That is not. Oh, yeah, Agent Barton. That makes sense. Francis Barton.

That's boring. It sounds like a bloody early prime minister of Australia. And if you're right, have you ever seen photos of a birthday cake where people try and write Clinton or capitals? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Never successful. So he doesn't have any superpowers as we've already discussed,

but he is very good with the bow and arrow. Very good. Some say the best archer in the bow and arrow. Very good. Some say the best archer in the world. Robin Hood, please. Do you think you're the best, Dave? Oh, okay. This is not the Robin Hood universe.

No. So where's Friatuck? Answer that. That's Nick Fury. Oh, yeah. Little John. May he do all the math. Oh my god, he can do all of them.

A rock-made marriage. A lion heart. Oh. Anyone else? of it. Rocks made, Mary. Lion heart. Oh. Anyone else? Sheriff. Sheriff nodding hand. And the rest. Kissing, kissing, cider.

And the rest. The song goes. We've got low self-esteem. We're the rest. We're the rest. According to Marvel.com, he's also, as well as Archery, he's also trained to throw knives, darts, balls, and boomerangs.

What kind of balls? And shade. Yeah, so is big shade. Is he talking basketball? He's sassy. Yeah. Hey, Scarlett, which I love that color, but not on you. Oh!

That is great shade. He's just naked. That is like, that's a real, that's a meme. Yeah, yeah, you're going complement. No, giving and taking. I love that you just wear anything, you know, you can just you just yeah. Have you been reading the game or something? You're so brave to wear that. I love that you just don't care how you look. You just leave the house looking like that. And you're like, yeah, yeah, pretty cool. I'm just gonna face back into my house now.

You're a real Clint, Mesa. I'll call him, mate. You say that about every single color of the road. Wait, no, not you. You're being hawk-eyed, sorry. Sorry, Mesa. Your portrayal was so realistic. We're being hawkwired, sorry. Yeah, I like it. Sorry, Mason. Your portrayal was so realistic. Oh, no, he's actually sipping my water. He threatened off-marked it. Yeah, I did it.

He deserved that. You called him a Clint. I did, you did. That was a victory sip, which I enjoyed. You know what? I love a victory. So, I've been saying one in quite a while. I've been making this close to a victory in a while, I guess.

In modern comics, he looks quite a lot like Jeremy Rennie now. And that's since the Jeremy Rennie portrayal in the Avengers movies was quite popular. So they started, I think in 2012, they changed his look. His first MCU appearance was in Thor, he had a little cameo in that. Can I just a quick side note? Yes. Speaking of characters' appearances, because they changed them, you know, when the movies were popular, Nick Fury in the comic books is white.

Like, so he was so white that then, when they made a TV movie of him, like in the 90s, he was David Hasselhoff. That's how white he was. Wow, he was big in Germany. Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, that's why. That's why.

That's so white. But then when they made the movie, when they made the movie, I guess it. So then there was like a parallel universe version of Nick Fury, who was black. Right. And he looked exactly like Samuel L. Jackson because the artist at the time was very keen on like tracing, like photo referencing and stuff like that. So this character looked like Nick Fury. And then when they cast Nick Fury in the movies, they're like, well, we should, we should get something. Yeah, exactly. But he was not available because he was big in Germany.

He was still huge. He was doing clicks. So they got Samuel L. Jackson. Was he in click? Yeah. Nice. But then the dilemma occurred because they're like, well, why if people watch these movies and then they go back and they read the comic books, they're going to be very confused. That's why Nick Fury's white in the comic book. So they made this revelation that he has an illegitimate son who is black, who's now the, who's also called Nick Fury.

He's Nick Fury Jr. So Nick Fury Jr. has replaced regular Nick Fury. So just to save on the confusion. I never thought that so much. No one's going back and be like, what do you mean that doesn't look like that actor that they cast? This is so confusing. Because that happens all the time, right? That change looks all the time.

So now they're going back and going, the original Hawkeye doesn't look like Jeremy Rennah. So that's actually Jeremy Rennah's dad. That's right, Jeremy Rennah. Yeah, that they renamed Hawkeye. Yes. Yeah, the character's also called Jeremy Rennath. Just a save on the confusion. Yeah. Yeah. Not good. So he was in Thor, then I kind of remember what was his cameo in Thor? He just

he is a shield agent. He's gonna shoot Thor. Right. For Thor gets his power back. They're like, we get get deal with this Thor guy and then he's gonna shoot him, but then something else happens. Right. And he's been a big player in the Avengers, Avengers Age of Ultron and Captain America Civil War. Until the last few years though, yeah, he looked, I've already said this, but he looked very different.

He was blonde traditionally. Get out of town. And his costume was a lot fashier with a lot of purple and blue and a mask with pointy things over the eyes. Does that have a name? It's like the Wolverine pointy eye mask. I like that. And it has a big h on the top which I assume sounds a hot. It's hot. Jeremy Renner.

It's probably Hawkeye. Yeah. Because he loses it at the gym. According to Looper.com, the outfit also included elements of a medieval archers outfit down to the tunic that hangs over his waist and the folded over buccaneer boots. It's got buccaneer boots. It's very similar to what comics other famous archer, Green Arrow, has traditionally worn. Robin Hood. Although more recently, he's also been seen in simplified body armor.

I'm sure you're talking about. But yeah, the Green Arrow, right? He's something that came up a lot. People. Millionaire Playboy. Just got bored. I need to drive. I really do.

Or it used to look a lot like Robin Hood sort of. Yes. The Men in Tite's version. Whatever that. The guy from Saw, that version. Carrie Elvis. Thank you. Yeah. But people, I guess it's mainly DC fans but whenever there's a thread about Hawkeye there's people going, just green arrow rip off sort of sort of talk. And it which makes

some sense because green arrow was first in comic books 23 years before Hawkeye. So he just beat him to it. But that's something you talked about in the Marvel episode a while back that Marvel and DC would rip each other off all the time. I'll for sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At least how many weapons, right? It's much like hungry Jackson McDonald's. Mm-hmm.

Can I compare? Yeah. It's all the same. You can get vanilla everything now. Yeah. Fuck, it was nice. Deadpool is a, Deadpool Wade Wilson is a, is a rip off of DC's deathstroke, Slade It's all the same. You can get vanilla or everything now. Fuck, it was nice. Deadpool Wade Wilson is a ripoff of DC's Deathstroke Slade Wilson.

Oh, wow, that's a sleep one. That's a real kick in the butt. Isn't that funny when it can become huge? And that must be brutal to the DC. Well, Deathstroke's appeared in like, he appears in like one scene in one movie, if one DC movie, but Deadpool's got a franchise. So isn't there talk of Deathstroke being a getting into the DCU, whatever they call it?

He might be a Batman villain at some point. If any of these movies keep going, go and go and go and go and go and go and go and go. Oh man, I really want DC's university work. That's not gonna happen. No. I know you're in the pocket of Marvel. Yeah.

Or whatever I say. We all are now. Oh yeah, we are happen. No. I know you're in the pocket of Marvel. Yeah. For whatever I say. We all are now. Oh, yeah, we are too. Oh. We're Marvel. We're Marvel. So as opposed to that purple flashy dress, the MCU version, the renaversion is pretty muted, outfit, a lot of black.

I think they allude to some purples. There's some very dull purples. I think it's a nod for the big fans. They allude to purple. They allude to purple. Matsu, it allude to purple. That's great. It's either the name of your fragrance. Allude.

Purple, allude. Allude to purple. Allude. Allude de toilet. Toilet. But I think, because the Marvel Cinematic Universe is meant to be somewhat real world. Obviously it gets pretty silly, but the humans are meant to be realish. How does it get silly?

Oh, there's that rainbow road that you can go to Asgard on Stuff like that also fry a tuck doesn't exist Very I mean get real Get busy getting real or get busy fucking off So I think it so it was a shield agent initially and a spy maybe an assassin in the MCU But his it was quite a different story for how he originated, origin stories what they call them. A different origin story in this, in the comic books, which is what the books are called

the Little Magazines. What's that? What do they call it? Little comic books. Little little magazines. They call comic books. Yeah. Huh. I thought you knew that was for Dave. But the cinematics looked out that was inspired by a comic series from 2002 called

The Ultimates, which was a reboot of the Avengers by Mark Miller and Brian Hitch. Black Nick Fury. Right. So that was set in a more realistic world with realistic outfits according to Looper. After the suit was popularized in the venues, after the suit was popularized in the Avengers, the regular Marvel Comics version of Hawkeye switched it to it as well. When I said that before, that was just a little bit of foreshadow. Ooh. Hawkeye first appeared in 1964's Tales of Suspense number 57. And I think there have been a few different origin stories. But the one I read nearly every side I read was basically

this one. Clint and his brother Barney were orphaned as children. Well, it was orphans. orphans there yeah that's true but these guys weren't rich orphans like many others orphans or orphans exactly yeah yeah exactly which are an endangered species orphans I'm gonna fundraise for orphans orphans I think it's up trying to Finn's happen. It's never gonna happen Jess. So apparently they were often because their dad was an abusive alcoholic and their mom didn't give a shit and they both died in a car crash. I guess because his dad was drunk I think. And this meant

they assume his dad was driving. Because he was the alcoholic and I read that dad was driving. Ooh. Because he was the alcoholic, and I read that he was driving. He's the alcoholic, of course he was driving. That's what a designated driver is. Yes, it's the drunkest guy, right? We can't stop him, get him in the wheel. Get him in the wheel. Which is where they went wrong. There's one other steering wheel,

but you have to climb it like a mouse. Get him in the wheel. So yeah, they had to spend about six years in a orphanage before, sorry, orphanage, before it is happening, Jess, I was wrong. Before escaping to join a circus called the Carson carnival of traveling wonders. Is this where you're going when you said it's a city? Carnie folk, their county folk. Barney, his brother Barney.

Barney the county. Barney the county. Once in the circus, Barton works closely with the swordsman who is a performing, a performer specializing with blades. Oh, I've never figured that out. A little twist there. But after a period of time, he busts swordsman stealing from the circus and bezzling. No.

And he doesn't like that at all. Who's going to bust them? Clint. Oh, Clint bust them right. And they end up in a fight. Little bruha, ha, bit of a hula baloo. And the swordsman beats the shit out of him basically and leaves him for dead with a sword Sure

Well, I think you get beaten with a sword like you get cut. Maybe just the flat bits. Yeah, yeah So slapping it ow I was like, I'm just slapping it out. Oh, I was humiliating. I was like, when you jump in the pool and you hit a weird angle, you're like, that slap, that black-up, it's like that. That was my specialty. I couldn't make it a big bomb splash,

so I used to go, I can't do a cool dive, I can't do a flip. I'll do something that is stupid instead. So, like, ready guys, backwacker. Oh, biggest possible spread. And just really trying to get it real flat. Redder the better. That's what I used to say.

Yeah, I was cool. Yeah, we get it. Wow. Didn't take me that at golf camp. Yeah, but they didn't. But they didn't. But they didn't. What did they teach you at golf camp round the golf?

interesting what crypties standard He's got you Traditional Same as the shark regular addition the shark normal. Oh The in I think he's the interlock what's your handicap Dave? six Greg the shark Norman. Oh. Now I think he used the interlock. What's your handicap, Dave? Six. That's really good.

That's very good, Dave. It's good, I think. Yeah, that's really good. That's like Greg the shark Norman. Hero and teacher. Wow. What's your animal mascot? Would you have to pick one?

Yeah. Small shark. Oh. Dave the small shark. What did you think? A small shark. Gummy shark. Gummy shark one again A small shark gummy shark If you're in the water with the people taking photos and laugh at it

They're right, there are quite a few golfers with animals I think there's the golden bear Tiger woods Tiger woods I never connected that before It's a laugh I think it's a little shark Yeah This is a big line of people go and I cannot wait for this How little I don't know but fuck I'm ready Oh, I'm so gummy

I put a possum soup in it love it. He's a galley shark He's trying to bite me. It's so cute tickles Just gummin Do I have teeth? I think I've got gums. Ah, but of course. He recovered. Greg the shark normal.

Greg the shark normal. I'm gonna believe you're recovered. He came back and won the USPGA. No, I didn't. He never did win a major in the USE. He got close a couple times. Well, he used to lie a lot. But he was teaching me.

Well, you know, you might be. He won a more full time. He won two British opens. Is that what you're thinking, maybe? That's what Greg was thinking. He's got a super yacht. A super yacht. Just imagine a yacht way bigger than what you're looking.

No, I was imagining a yacht powered entirely by soup. I was imagining it. It's like a gummy show. Yeah. I was imagining a yacht that's been bitten by spider. Yeah, yeah. It's super young. Whoa, yeah, yeah.

Matt do go on. Okay, so it came good. Clint, after the beating. I thought it was a great moment. And he then started training under another circus performer, Trickshot, who was the circuses Archa. So, Cardiff has a question. Yeah.

Stade in the circus. Are these swords people that beat the sheriff him also still in the circus? I think really awkward. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I'm not, I read it as swordsmen who pissed off. Right, gotcha. Well, so you don't really need a guy with swords at a circus, do you?

What have you ever seen a sword swords at a circus, do you? What have you ever seen a sword actor at a circus? Yeah, unless it's like spinning wheel right on your throat. But then, I don't know. I've seen it. Look after the clowns, we're going to have a man to stab another man with a sword. What are you really doing? Maybe, okay.

Maybe, okay. That's why we're not like chocolate right? All right. A person in half for a magician with a sword. Yeah, that's a magician. But I don't think that's what he was learning under swordsman swallow and techniques. So yeah, this is under Trickshot as how we got

or his bone arrow skills. In the first comic, Tales of Suspense number 57, he sees Iron Man save the day, which made him feel jealous when Iron Man got all the adulation from the crowd. They loved him. And I think there's a camera with the frame said, but it's something like, but I'm the best archer in the circus. Where's my applause? Something like that.

Yeah, nice. I hate him. He's so good. Dude, I didn't make anything. I mean, this guy just saved the day. Yeah, why aren't they pulling me? I got a bullseye. I mean, it was pretty close to a bullseye. I mean, this is a memorialized. Hawkeye fans out there, obviously, I'm paraphrasing

and possibly also misremembering. So please don't hold that against me. He doesn't have to wait long before he gets to put on a costume himself. He's inspired. And he- It does a cabaret. Sexy roleplay.

He gets his costume together. He goes, I'm going to go save some crimes. And I'm going to show everyone- Save some crimes? Paraphraising, just for a second. Sorry, yes, correct. Sorry. Crimes were involved.

The exact details are murky. Yeah, please. Something was saved. Yeah. And very quickly, he runs into a crime. And that crime's a robbery. Yeah. And very quickly he runs into a crime. And that crime's a robbery. Oh. He saves the day.

Not the crime. Sorry, save the day. There we are. Only when the police arrived, they assumed he'd played a part in the crime. This makes the cops and Iron Man also assume he's some sort of super villain. And that puts him on the path to actually becoming a super villain. Whoops. It's like, if that's what you're gonna call me,

a fucking old super violin. Oh, here's the thing too. With Hawkeye, so like if you're Captain America, for example, and you come across a criminal, and you stop them in their tracks using some combat, which he is trained in. Okay. Right. Hawkeye which he is trained in. Okay. Right.

Hawkeye is good with arrows. Yes. Hard to just sort of disable someone and then take them into cut. He's killing people, surely, right? He's also great at hand-to-hand combat. How do you just knock someone unconscious briefly with an arrow to block?

We had trick-loved arrows. We had trick-arrows. Boxing-loved Triclar Barrow. Yeah, Tricarros. Boxing Barrow. Plunger arrows. It's got a plunger. You can also make... It's striking a lot. You can also like get it through the sides of their clothes and like pin them up against

the wall. Shoot it through the eye. Yeah. Kill and dead. Shoot it through the eye to the head, to the wall. That's so no. Yeah. Through the eye, to the head, to the wall.

Yeah, exactly. Shoot it through the heart. It's a three step process. It's a explosive arrow to the heart. That's so no. Through the eye, to the head, to the wall. You could, yeah, exactly. Three, seven, eight. It's a three step process. It's a explosive arrow to the heart. You could do that, that a, no, it's a, that my boy. Explo, no, you know you didn't hear him out.

Explosive with love. Oh yeah. To the heart. Yeah, but like Casper, the sleepy giant. What? Maddie, you okay? Chop off their legs off the road. Stop it!

Stop it! Go. To the heart. Friendly guy. Yeah, but he's not the one who's. No, he's not gonna wear now. Yeah. Chops off their legs off their legs. Stop it! Go! Two... Are you friendly guys? Both the legs! Yeah, but he's not the one who... I can't get away now. Yeah.

Casper's not the one who's hence loves to... with the bow and arrow. Oh, you're stupid. Cupid. Cupid. Yeah. That's the one. Casper's a little bit...

A little dead boy. A little dead boy. Played by... Is it McCulloch Hulken? No. No, but it's Devon Sawyer. That's it. Or Sawyer. That was probably the first one.

That's why I was thinking about it, I reckon. This doesn't last long, his life of crime. And he eventually joins the comic book Avengers, along with Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch, who were also baddies going straight. They were from the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, which I'm pretty sure are the X-Men bad guys. They are, yeah.

And they are also Magneto's kids. Oh, wow. Oh, right. So when the purposes in the movie, they are not Magneto's kids. Yes, and they're not mutants. That's right, yeah. Because they're in Age of Ultron. They are in Age of Ultron, yeah.

Oh, I know who you're talking about. Yeah. Fast guy and... I always forget her name like her anyway. Because there's a scarlet and there's a scarlet. Yeah. That's that's to which and scarlet Johansson. Johansson. Mm.

I got it. Sorry. So they all joined. This was in Avengers number 16. They were the first new recruits admitted to the Avengers after Captain America was a couple of issues before that. But the original crew was, I found this interesting, Iron Man, who's obviously one of the cinematic universes original as well as Thor, who also was Ant Man, who's in there, Wasp and Hulk. Hulk only lasted one and then he left and then he came back.

Classic Hulk. Classic Hulk. He wanders off. Mm, yeah. Over the years Clint Barton has been superheroes other than Hawkeye as well. He hasn't just been Hawkeye. I almost put this in my fun facts. You reinvented himself. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. For a while, he was for quite a few years, he was Goliath. When he used Avenger teammate Hank Pym's growth serum to become the giant size colline. So this was once they actually did did have superhuman powers. He was really strong and real big. He was bitten by giant. He came as giant. That's what happens. And Hank Pym, what's the act of name in the Ant-Man? It's Michael Douglas. Michael Douglas. So yeah, in the movies they made it like Ant-Man was retired now.

Yeah, it's a bit of fun. Is the guy that Paul Rudd plays to see from the comics? He's the second Ant-Man, yes. So yeah, I love that. I love that about this. He also played as well as Hawkeye and Goliath. He also appeared as a third character called Ronan in New Avengers 27 in 2007. third character called Ronan in New Avengers 27 in 2007. And also apparently, very briefly, was Captain America. Everybody's been Captain, everybody gets a go. That is fascinating, man. It's my week, guys. It's my week, so you need need need,

you need need any patriotism. That's like jury duty. Yeah, it is, yeah. I tried to get out of it. I'm like, I'm gonna pre-existing condition. I got bad news. I got work. I can't do this.. I'm like, I'm gonna pre-existing condition. I got bad nays. I got work. I can't do this.

And they're like, nah, you're only gonna have to reapply in six months. I'm like, no, right, I'll do it. I'll get it in America. Well, fair enough. I don't want to jinx myself, but I've not been called up for jury duty yet. Yeah, neither.

I have. How'd that go? That's me knocking on wood. I didn't get through. I imagine up to the jury. Yeah, I feel like I will knock. One of the sides is gonna have a problem with me. But I imagine up to the jury. Yeah, I feel like I will not. One of the sides is gonna have a problem with me. But I'd love to do it.

I'd find it fascinating. I think, although I'd be unlikely you get an interesting case. The one I was was a gangland murder. Yes, that's the kind of thing. They predicted it would take many months. Oh. So they drafted in like 150 people

for the 12 or whatever seats Just in case because they presumed a lot of people would be like I can't do this Yeah, and it was a lottery and I didn't get caught up. Thank goodness because the accused was standing there and they looked terrifying Wow, yeah, that's true. If you not guilty if we haven't even started the case No, it looks trustworthy. Oh, no, I like him now But I mean if you just say guilty and then he goes away for 10 years and that's all the time, isn't it? It's basically the rest of my life.

Exactly, wouldn't anybody worry about it? You hardware a mask with like pointy eye things and a big aches on the front. That's how I'd get out of it. All right, so that's my report, but there are some fun facts. If you want them. Yeah. Yeah Grandmasters in for it. I'm always in for it Hopefully these are fun

Oh gosh, he's really thinking them hmm Hawkeye was ranked as The 45th greatest comic book character of all time by Wizard Magazine. Whoa, the industry's on. I think we're gonna say the 45th best archer and I'm like that's not great. I've written down the top few and he guesses at number one. Spider-Man. Spider-Man number three. Super-Man.

Super-Man number four. Batman number two. Hulk. A bad guy's number five from Ducy. Doctor Doom. Oh, I can't remember. Who's number one? The Joker. Joker's number two. Oh, Hulk. A bad guy's number five from Ducy. Doctor Doom, oh, I can't have mine. Who's number one? Is it Joker? Joker's number five?

Ah! Who's number one? You'll, when you know it, you'll be like, oh, yeah, I should have known that. Real popular one. Superman! Superman's number four. Oh, fuck, I'm it.

Captain America. No, Captain America was like seven. Oh, Wonder Woman. No, it America was like seven. Wonder Woman. No, it's Marvel, but not Marvel Cinematic. Never Wonder Woman. Is it Wolverine? It is Wolverine. I got one.

I got one. You got one. It feels good, doesn't it? Yeah. Like when I got a whole guy before. Oh, I'm addicted. That was hot. Get me a good.

But I think 45, I was like, that's actually, that's pretty good. Yeah, a whole time. It was ahead of like captain Marvel which felt wrong. Oh, like his captain Marvel. I'm so that's that little Because I'd never heard of her before yeah, right and then at the well, I shouldn't say anything else Maybe she's in an upcoming movies that a spoiler no this is coming up. Don't worry about it. Oh great. Oh I'm not in plan of. It's coming up. Yeah. Oh, you're not in Planner Broadcasting Great, mate. Come on, mate. Yeah. Oh, it's happening.

Yeah. Here's a couple of other fun facts. Where did you, is that fun? That's pretty fun. That's good. A couple more. It's fun because you turned into a guessing game. Yeah, it was fun.

I like the process. You can make the next one a guessing game also. That would be good. No, don't do that. Um, it's the point. The Hawkeye Monika has also been used by Kate Bishop when Clint was dead, uh, on, in one timeline. She's a member of the young Avengers, along with Wicken, Patriot, Hulkling, and I and Lad. Yeah. Hulkling and I and lad. Hulkling. I and lad. That's cool. Is that boy?

So is Patriot Captain America? It's like a mini Captain America. Who's Wiccan? So, okay, so Patriot is like the great grandson of the original Captain America, like the prior one, like the prototype Captain America. Which isn't the guy who's in the in the movies out movie. Yeah, it's a it's a previous one. Oh wow and Wicken is Magic and his boyfriend is Hulkling and he's a scroll and he's a shape-shifter I'm not scroll mean again. It's it they're like aliens like I mean shape-shifters

There's so much going on and I'm lad is I Iron lad is the boy version of Kang the Conqueror who's a time traveler. Yeah. Kang the Conqueror is cool. He's a catator from the Simpsons, right? That's, or they're different. No, Crang. No, Crang's from the top turtles.

Oh, Kang Kang, he code us. He was Kang Kang. Crang's from the Ninja Turtles. Crang's from the Ninja Turtles, yeah. He's a brain in a man. So that's pretty fun. I really, I really liked Iron lad. Iron lad, yeah.

But apparently she- The name Iron lad and you work back with him. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. She broke into the Avengers headquarters and stole parts of Hawkeye's outfit and someone else's outfit and sort of built together our own one and then walked up to the young Avengers and said,

I'm a young Avenger now too. And they're like, and then she helped them solve a thing. I love it confidence. And then they go, right, you're in. Yeah. And this last one, I this one actually blew my hat clean off. I was standing next to a powerful fan at the time. But according to TV trope, no, according TVTroops.com, Hawkeye

is the only character in comics to be a member of both Marvel's The Avengers and DC's Justice League of America. Is that true? I don't think so. I think it's false. Huge if true. Yeah, that's very huge if true. Well, but TVTropes.com? That's why I said according to it, the stuff. I don't have full com. Yeah, shift the blame, that's what I said. But why would they say that on a website if it's not true? I think maybe because it's, I think TVTropes

might say like Archer, and they might be like, well, there's one in the Avengers, and there's one in the Justice League. Oh, I don't. Well, no, listen to the exact wording here. Hawkeye is the only character in comics to be a member of both Marvel's, the Avengers and DC's. Look, we can't rule it out, can we?

Except I'm going to definitively rule it out right now. Just to stop the hate. Is that because that's just not possible that people can't do that? Oh, he might have joined in like a intercompany crossover, but he's not regularly on the team. No, no, not regularly. No, well, I mean, do I have to say it one more time? Oh my gosh.

Oh, I said to be, to have been, I'm gonna say that, have been a member. Does that make it more okay? It makes it okay now. Hawker has the only character in comics to have been a member of both Marvel's Avengers and DC. Story checks out. Nice one.

Isn't it funny how a little E and an N can change everything? Words are important. Yeah. That's all. What a comic book. It's not words on paper. Thank you, Hawkeye. Thank you, Hawkeye.

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Yes, your turn, yes. Yeah. I didn't write a question because I never do. But my question to you too, because my son knows is which guy. I was already laughing on her. Is it? Is it? You think I would have thought. is which character. She's already laughing on her. Is it? You think that would have been. Sheho!

Yes! Which? Last. Sheho! Oh, that is so good. I'm so excited! I think everyone would have been sad if he didn't fix. Yeah, if you're like an out-capped in America.

Boo! I love story. I do love that. Did sheho ever be Captain America. Boo! I love story. I do love that. Did she hold ever be Captain America? Did she have a go at it? Yeah. I didn't form that question very well. She's been on the Fantastic Four.

She has. She's the only character to have been on the Fantastic Four period. Oh, well, that is a fact. It's a fact. All four of them. Yeah. Wait, I didn't know the Fantastic Four had changed. They felt like just a four people.

Yeah. Yeah. Five men's been in the Fantastic Four. Ghost ride has been in the Fantastic Four. Are they like a Nicholas Cage on a bike? Yeah. Are they the fifth member or something? Now sometimes the teams like disband and they're like, but the world needs a Fantastic

Four. So they, some of the thing left, they're like, I'm taking Jess's content, I'm very sorry. Sorry, she... No one, my report's done now, that's all I had. Yeah. I said let's keep them short. Yeah. Jess is the only one that listened. I had one said, yeah, I've never listened to my own request of let's keep it brief.

Okay, so she-hulk. This is not going to be brief at all. Oh, interesting enough, the character was created by Stan Lee. And the reason behind the character's creation has to do with the success of the incredible Hulk and the Bionic Woman TV series. Marvel was afraid that the makers of the Bionic Woman might suddenly introduce a female version of the Hulk, so they're like, might suddenly introduce a female version of the Hulk. So they're like,

we'll make a female version of the Hulk first, so that if anybody else tries to do that, we've got the rights. Wait, what? How would they have been able to do that? Oh. Isn't it, wouldn't they be like, hey, that's our character?

So the Bionic Woman was like the lady version of the $6 million man. Yeah. And I think there were some licensed skinny issues with, because there was a Hulk, there was a Hulk TV series. And so I think they were like, well, the Hulk TV series could just be like, now we've got a lady Hulk and then Marvel wouldn't get any money out of it.

Wow. So they're like, I'm like, I'm feeling a lot of gaps in my report. Can I ask you, Mesa, very quickly? Yes. So at all three of so far being created by Stanley. Yes. Are there any big, big dogs in the Marvel universe who were created by non-Stanley?

Ah. Dr. Strange. Yes. He had no piece of that part. I know piece of that at all, no, that's true. That's a good joke, I mean. I'm sure I could pick a song, but like a lot of the stuff, like the lot of the most enduring characters.

But like your top 10 famous Marvels. Yeah, Stanley. But again, it's Stanley going, what if there was a guy and then the artist is like, who had magic powers in him for a cross-eater vest? And they're like, yes. Yes, magic powers, that's good. There was a guy based on a Norse god.

Yeah, yes. That's what I meant. What the hell's Norse? I mean, yes. I said it. God of no, I love Stanley. He. What the hell's not? I mean, yes, I said it. God of no love Stanley. He's good. He's so good. He just won't give up. So that's it.

I don't know, yeah, I didn't want to put the mouse on. Well, Steve did come as also extremely old. Yeah, there's someone in there. I'll be fine. Don't worry. Sacred to long life. Don't be mentioned on this podcast. Oh, no, no, I't be mentioned on this podcast.

Oh, no. Oh, no. I'll be mentioned, hape. Jeff? Oh, no. I think it's quite the opposite. We've talked about them and they've both lived long into life. Hurrah!

That was our gift. So shehawk first appeared in Savage Shehawk number one. Oh, that makes sense. So it's the incredible Hulk, the Savage Shehawk. Amazing. I love it. We're going to call it the irrational Shehawk, and that's a little bit.

Savage, this was in 1980. Women can be irrational too. That's true. All but the first issue, the first issue was written by Stanley. But all the others were written by David Anthony Kraft. Here's the guy I played in Niles on Frazier. It's pretty good. Is it the name sound similar?

David Hype is, sorry. So, a first name. I imagine Jiles from the Nanny. Oh, right. Which is, I have no idea who that actor is. That's Niles from the Nanny. Still Niles. some Jiles from the nanny. Oh right, which is I have not Who that act that's niles still dials from the nanny I'm nothing of Jiles from buffie. That's Anthony Stuart head for continue well the joke on many levels Just want to say names, you know the alley. You've to great joke there three-patter. Oh boy

Thanks, Matt You did it. Yeah. It was worth saying after all. It's that brain you idiot. Trust your instincts, they're usually right. David Anthony Kraft was penciled by Mike Vossberg. And most issues were inked by Frank Springer and Vossberg later remarked the honest thing about the book

was that Frank drew really beautiful women. I drew really beautiful women and yet the she-hulk was never overly attractive. What? It's like such a weird point to make funnily enough this very strong, powerful woman we made was not a babe. But I drew a very beautiful women. I drew a beautiful woman but I never not a babe. But I draw very beautiful women. I draw beautiful women, but I never wanted to fuck this one.

Of all the fantasy women that I drew in my life. I've never had a sixth room about shehawk. Well, it's almost as soon as they color in green, you looked a little bit different. Savage shehawk lasted until 82, so a couple of years, and then She-Hulk made guest appearance in other characters' books. Do you know any of the backstory of She-Hulk? No. Did you, I don't think she was a sort of doctor or professor. She was a lawyer. Lawyer. Fuck. Her name's Jennifer Walters, and she is the cousin of Bruce Banner.

Jennifer Walters and she is the cousin of Bruce Banner. And she's the daughter of a county sheriff. And her mum died in a car crash when Jennifer was 17 or both parents. Both parents. Great. Good. Because Bruce Banner was not like that wasn't, it's not a genetic thing, right? So no wait for us. Oh. So there's a crime boss named Nicholas Trask,

who had crossed paths with her father. Before we can see, he was a county sheriff. And he shot and seriously wounded her on a day that Bruce Banner happened to be in town for a visit. So there were no other donors with her blood type and Banner provided his own blood for a transfusion, as they already shared the same blood type in DNA,

but his radioactive blood combined with her anger transformed Jennifer into the green-skinned she-hulk when the mobsters tried to finish her off at the hospital. So the mobsters turned up like, okay, now we're gonna shoot her again. She was like, ah, don't shoot me again. I'm mad there. She Hulk Oh, is that a catchphrase? That's a catchphrase. Yeah, she is like doing parkour Parkour people yell parkour or they yell she Hulk They yell parkour she's how angry they are if they're very angry they'll she

Yeah, so did Bruce banner this stage now. He was the Hulk. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, but he gave her his blood. Okay. Well, I mean, it's that or death. Okay, right. So he was gone with the cry. There's no other donors. And everybody's real tight with their cousins, you know? Right.

Yeah, I'd give blood for my cousins. Really? No. Oh. I have like 40 cousins. Oh, wow. I don't have enough blood. Yeah, that a drain your dry.

No, but you could do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no your dry. No, but you could do that. Supply that's great. Good point. Yes. Blood giving the two-way street, yes. You're right. Don't forget that. Maybe I'll be in the market for a little bit of blood getting. You can get it. You can.

But getting blood letting. You can get on the wrong side of like 40 mob bosses and you'd be fine. You know what I'm like. No, no, you should buy that. No doubt I'll get on the wrong side of some bloody mob bosses. I ain't no doubt. If you get on jury duty. I'm combative.. I know about. If you get on jury, Judy, I'm combative.

I got nearly good. Like you nearly did. Anyway, as she Hulk, Jennifer possesses powers similar to those of her cousin, though at a reduced level. Oh. 77% perhaps. Oh. Yeah.

Lage gap. Anyway, so yeah, she's like the Hulk, but like, daintier. So that's fun. Eventually, she decides that she's going to retain her she Hulk form permanently. She prefers the freedom and the confidence. Because she's quite, she's kind of like, she's small and shy as Jennifer.

So she prefers to be She Hulk, would I like can you just turn it on or do you have to get angry she help can she can just do it When if she wants to live like that for everyone. Yeah, yeah, love it Is there any talk? Jess of about her being in the MCU at all, you know after a brief solo career she joined the Avengers Oh my very nick sentence and She also as my so mentioned before temporarily replaced the thing as a member of the fantastic fall solo career, she joined the Avengers. My very next sentence. And she also, as my image before, temporarily replaced the thing as a member of the Fantastic Four. Does that the things are rock clubs, isn't it? Rock clubs, yes. Does that answer your question?

Not really, but sort of, maybe I just like if the end this on them in the movies. Oh. Yeah, because it's too mon of a character to have any interest in the cinema. No, but I think that there is some sort of weird, like contract dispute deal with the Hulk, which is why there are no more Hulk movies. That's why the Hulk was in the last Thor movie, but it doesn't have his own movie. Oh, really? There's some, there's some rule where he can't be in his own movie anymore. So I'd say they're probably not gonna do a shay Hulk movies. That's why the Hulk was in the last Thor movie, but it doesn't have his own movie. Oh, there's some, there's some rule where he can't be in his own movie anymore.

So I'd say they're probably not going to do a she-help movie. Not for a while anyway. Unless somebody spends a billion dollars, which they're not going to do. I could play her. Yes. You didn't even hesitate. No. Thank you, Dave. You didn't answer. Dave has a question. Well, I let Masa speak for me all the time. It's true. Dave, could I play a she-help? I think that you would be the number one contender. You know her backstory. You could live her life. You were in a fantastic war for a while.

That's true. You are. Jen and Jess are similar, so I'm already used to answering to that. Yeah, so you want to get confused on set. That's true. It's like Charlie and chocolate factory. It's like Charlie's shame. All of his characters are called Charlie. And chocolate factory. Yeah. It's like Charlie Sheen, all of his characters are called Charlie. Not all but a lot.

Anyway, back to Sheehoog. That could be the name of the sequel. Back to Sheehoog. Yes. Oh, I love it. I'm available. And I can do stunts. Hollywood, are you listening?

Hello. Hello, Hollywood. I'm so tired. So for a time, starting with the sensational She-Hulk series in 1989, She-Hulk was portrayed with a form of cross-dimensional or metafictional awareness, and she would always break the fourth wall, like in some stories she showed an awareness of being a comic book character, or there would be visuals of her tearing the page or walking through a page of ads

to reach the enemy's control center. That's a Deadpool thing, Tura. Did Deadpool rip it off? Yes, he did. Everything about Deadpool's a rip off. It's a rip off, yeah, correct. So he's part, uh, thrift gun and part. He's part thrift gun, yeah.

She Hulk. Yeah. What's thrift gun's real name? Deathstroke. Deathstroke. Drift gun is great. That's good. The power of getting a bargain with a gun.

The disc count is 100%. He's a thief. Disc count it. Disc count it. Yeah, no, she is one of the few characters who is aware that He's a fix. Discounted. Discounted. Yeah, now she's one of the few characters who is aware that she is a comic book character. Yeah. And she also sometimes gets in arguments with the writer or appealed to the editor.

What's your telly of? Her movie could be sick. I wonder, yeah, I'm fascinated. I wonder if there's been any scripts written. I think people would be like, oh, it's so driven of Deadpool even though she did it like 10 years beforehand. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, she, uh, don't know.

Here we go. She's sort of the name she Hulk again. She Hulk. She started it led her own disaster relief organization. That is funny. I can see why you're chocolate. No, because she felt great remorse for almost destroying a relief organization. That is funny. I can see why you're chocolate, man. No, because she felt great remorse for almost destroying a small town.

So she starts up in relief fun. Oh, she's so cute. Anyway, she's a lawyer, and I have a fun story about that later. Here's some information about her relationships. They're broken these up into sub-hittings, by the way. This one is relationships. I broke these up into sub-hittings by the way. This one is relationships. Uh-huh. She had a...

Obviously only her mother died in the car crash. She wasn't... she was half orphan. Oh yeah. Um... A orphan? Yeah, she was a orphan. She wasn't a full orphan. That's just a orphan.

Get in here, you little orphan. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh dad can you just help call him? I mean that's really hard. I'm a Jennifer. I miss mom. Shut up, often. Not a great dad. Not a great dad. She had a strange relationship with her widowed father and he was controlling and she saw independence and also, you know, his acceptance. Did you see her daddy issues?

So he told ya. Right. We dode father sounds like a superhero as well. Okay. Like black we dode father. Yeah, I think Drift Gun was better. Yeah, Drift Gun was for me. I'm only here in my history.

I'm building up the Macs. The Macs, the Mac universe, the MCU. Yeah, I'm really, I'm to get on to Jack Kerouac. He's going to draw him up. Well, Jack Kerouac, she had a relationship with her childhood friend Zappa. But ultimately their relationship fell apart, relationship fell apart, primarily due to her insistence on permanently remaining in a she-hulk form. And he felt that that was like that preference represented a rejection of Jennifer Walters.

He's like, you've changed, man. You've literally changed. Yeah, quite literally. You've literally changed to she Hulk and not Jennifer. Well, if you can't have it in my she Hulk, you do not deserve it in my Jennifer. That's a beautiful day. Marilyn Monroe said that. Wow, what a band.

It would have made no sense of the time. I know, right? Yeah, she was ahead of her time, that's the thing. She was. Yeah Monroe said that. Wow, what a band would have made no sense of the time. I know, right? Yeah, she was ahead of her time. That's the thing. She was. Yeah. She was. And she, Hulk, was married to John Jamison. Oh, I'll take this one. He's a werewolf. Who she met while he was on the man wolf in a microverse adventure in savage shehulk. He's a yeah. Is that a sentence? So he's...

So you know, you know, you know, Spider-Man. He works for the daily planet and the, no, he works for the daily bugle rather. And his boss is like this cigar chomping like, Yeah. Jay Jonah Jameson. Yeah. His son's an astronaut. He's, he went into space and he got some sort of

werewolf bargaining turn. And he turned into a space werewolf. Oh, space werewolf. Space werewolf. That sounds cool. Yeah. And then he married the she-hop. Yes.

Yes. They got married. They are loped in Vegas. Nice. And the marriage was later unknowed. Oh. Yeah. Elvis.

Celebrant. I would assume so. It doesn't explicitly say, but I'm going to assume. Yeah. Her costume, due to her affiliation with different super groups over the years, she's done numerous costumes. Her personality has also gone through significant changes from aggressive and short tempered to intelligent,

free spirited and vivacious. Oh, vivacious is a great word. I'll be just like a lady. You know, you know what I mean? Oh, they're like four seasons in one day, you know what I mean? You know, you're just good. What the fuck do you mean? Oh, I didn't mean anything, I'm sorry.

Working with me is a mystery. I will be playing the free spirited and vivacious version, obviously. If they're like, can you be angry? I'll say, no. And they'll say, okay, fair enough. We're re-rided, don't worry. This is Hollywood talking about that. Because of her various outfit changes, no single costume can be considered iconic, compared to Superman's red and blue tights, Spider-Man's red and blue costume and mask.

However, shehawk is immediately recognizable due to her size, green skin. You don't need an outfit. And long dark green, almost black hair. Dark green, almost black. It's mostly that she's huge and green. I think you guys say shehawk. Oh, that shehawk.

And she keeps yelling at shehawk. Shehawk. Oh, that's shehulk. And she keeps yelling out shehulk. Shehulk! Could it be? What I'm going to end on is a, um, because I kept it time. I saw it. They just say shehulk.

The Jess is written. A short monologue. This is my audition to Hollywood. Ooh're for the role of Shehawk. No, it is a something that a storyline that has happened with the Jedi for that I really enjoyed. Due to her involvement in Shehawk, Shehawk has information suggesting that the organization knows of her cousin's whereabouts, anticipating a problem. Tony Stark has Shehulk has information suggesting that the organization knows of her cousins whereabouts, anticipating a problem. Tony Stark has Shehulk secretly injected with spin tech that transformed her to human form

permanently. Enraged, she tells Stark that although he may have taken Shehulk out of the question, he still has to face Jennifer Walters, one of the best lawyers in the country. This is the best sentence ever. Jennifer informs Stark that he has miscalculated. She Hulk would have just pummeled him, but Jennifer Walters has the ability to destroy him. Yes. Taken down, Jen.

How good is that? I love that. She soothes Tony Scott. So good. She's great. Did she F him up? She Fs him up financially. Love that.

I'm kind of disappointed that I got to do some research on She-Hulk and she seems cool-ish. You like the idea that she was silly. Yeah, I wanted it to be real dumb. No. She sounds like the best. Yeah, she sounds pretty great. I assume she was going gonna be a real silly character as well, but it sounds like she reinvented the form. I mean, they were all a little bit silly. You know, way, you're in respect. What, I thought about it like that. These silly circus orphans and being

bitten by spiders and getting radioactive blood transfuses, It's all a bit silly, isn't it? Another reason. I don't think I'm going to put a put a put a mark in the sand and say these things probably wouldn't happen in real life. What? Yeah. What do you have a degree? Well, not not my man, Hawkeye.

Oh, he could be real. People get married in Vegas all the time. Yeah, and they get an old little. Oh, basically. Yeah, round of applause for the she-hop Thank you so much All right, thank you so much I'll round this one up, I haven't written anything down

But I'm just gonna sort of wing it He's gonna freestyle, which I'm gonna So this is, this is, oh this could go anyway in particular But, so this is a personal, personal favourite of mine Oh, personal favourite character of mine And maybe not my most favourite, but it's a character I've got a lot of love in my heart for Are we doing a question?

Maybe if you could just guess, so he's worked with Shea Hulk, he's worked with Hawkeye. Stan's worked with the Spider-Man, he's worked with the Avengers, he's been in the movies. Stan Loewe. He's been in newspaper strips. Stan Phil Coulson. It's not Phil Coulson. Do you love Coulson? Is it the guy I've been talking about before with the iPad? Nick Curry? Nick Curry, it's not Nick Colson. Do you love Colson? Is it the guy I've talked about before with the eye patch?

Nick Curry? It's not Nick Fury, no. Is it Captain America? No. Damn it. You're not going to guess it. Oh, I reckon. I don't know.

Now we are the obscure. Oh, Ant Man, little? No. Okay. Little bit bigger. Obscure, man. Little bit bigger. Yeah.

Wasp, man. Bigger than that. Fornet. Bigger. Yeah. Wasp man. Bigger than that. Fornet. Bigger. The nat. Bigger. Okay.

So, you really big? No. It's quite small. Okay, the rat, rat man. I need a lot of clues. Oh, you knew the knockout. Roger Ramjet. No, that was duck.

You're very close. Oh, the duck. Is it the duck? For Harvey the Duck. Now it's now with the duck. Is it the duck? For Harvey the duck. It's Harvey the duck. Harvey the howdy. Harvey the howdy. Howdy the howdy. Howdy the howdy.

I've seen that movie. I'm pretty sure. Well, yeah, he's been, you might have seen him in... Have we genuinely talked him out the answer? Yeah, I thought you were just going along with my runa. No, I guess of Aquaduct. No, you're very close. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Matt says a bit more bullshit and we go,

yeah, anyway. It's a real character. Anyway, the real character is how the duck. Who's, uh, and then that's just a bit more bullshit and we go yeah anyway Anyway, the real character is how are the duck? Who's what is that well if you've said it got into the galaxy and I know you have yes the first one at the end of the credits You say oh Well, I'll see you got us down at the end of the credits at the end of the credits I will come and shift lunch Oh, it was on a plane. Oh delightful at the At the end of the credits, you say sort of this hideout

from this super villain called the collector and he's got all sorts of like tubes of alien species that he's captured and he collects all these ones and you say that one of the characters who's been released from prison is Howard the Duck, who's a duck. He's a little duck, he's wearing a little suit and tie, little hat, no pants because he's a duck, he's a little duck, he's wearing a little suit and tie, little hat, no pants, because he's a duck, obviously. Obviously. And he's been a character and it just says at the end of it, it just says, it just says, how the duck created by Steve Gober and Val Merrick, and then it's over.

It's just like a one-no joke, but how the duck's been around since like 1972, I think. He's been, he's very much an enduring, very stupid character. Do you have his own, you're gonna tell us about him? Yeah, well I mean, yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm just gonna leave you to guess. So um, and, and, too. So basically it's the early 70s and there's a guy called Steve Gerber and he is, he's an advertising copywriter and he hates his job and he has a friend called Roy Thomas who's

the editor at Marvel Comics and he just, one day he just calls him up and he hates his job. And he has a friend called Roy Thomas, who's the editor at Marvel Comics. And he just, one day he just calls him up and he's like, I need to do something else. This is killing me, this advertising job. So I just want to do something else. So Roy Thomas puts him on the first comics. He's like, we'll try you out on a comic and it's called Adventure Into Fear,

is the title of the comic. And he's gonna be writing on a character called Man Thing. Man Thing. Man Thing, right? That sounds like a Stanley. Yeah, for sure. It's a man. Come on man.

He's basically a big mud man. He lives in a swamp. So he's kinda like, what do we got, kind of thing? I'm a swamp man. Well, there's already a swamp thing, so you can't call him. Why not? Is there a mud man?

There's the mud pack. There's clay face. Damn, there's this. In fact, there's five clay faces. So, you're doing too much. You're doing too much. You're doing too much. You're doing too much.

I'll do it later. Anyway, but anyway, so he's like, I don't want to create, you know, this is going to be kind of boring. He's a mudman, he lives in a swamp or whatever. So he's like, what I'll do is I'll create the concept is he lives in the everglades in Florida and it's kind of like it's a magical part of the swamp and it's like a nexus of all these dimensions and all sorts of weird creatures come in from parallel

universes and stuff like that. So in the first issue that he gets to write, he's like, okay, all these dimensional doors are going to open and all these characters are going to tumble out and one of them. And I think it's because the Everglades, like the year before, they just opened Walt Disney World in Florida, and so one of the characters is like this cigar-chomping little suit-wearing character called Howard the Duck, who's from like a funny animal universe and he's been trapped, all of a sudden he gets trapped.

So the regular universe. This isn't a comic book writer, he's an advertising guy that they just said, write some shit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. Yeah, yeah. Because I think also, like by the said, like Marvel in the 60s

was like this fountain of ideas, a lot of Stanley, just gone crazy, but by the 70s, it was just like, just, you know, whatever it was kind of, it was the things were getting a little dull. So I think they were appreciating it. It created five mud faces and they were like, yeah, exactly. That's right.

So it was really just a Donald Duck spoof. He was a Donald Duck spoof, but Gerber said to Val Mayerick, who's the artist, don't make him look too much like Donald Duck, don't give him the sailor suit, give him the little suit in time. Make him like he's like a Brooklyn guy with attitude kind of thing.

And basically, the editor was like, I don't care about this, Disney's going to be breathing down in X for this, kill him, get rid of him, I don't care. So like a couple of issues later, he goes off, like he goes off into another dimensional portal and he's like, well, I'll see you never buy kind of thing. And then- So what do I say every time I leave the studio? Yeah. See you never, did he literally say,

see you never? I think he said like, I'm going back to my home dimension. It was like, it was real, it was kind of a poochie. That's not true, I'm just kidding. He was killed on his way back to his home planet. Yeah, so this was a couple of issues later. But basically what happened was, that well, you know, the editors were like,

well, that's the end of that good. But then like, creators would go to conventions and they would get letters in and people like, what happened to How the Duck? Bring back How the Duck. We like this character kind of thing. And so they were like, all right, we're rebooting Man Thing, the comic book. It's now going to be called Giant Size Man Thing. Yeah, I know.

Well, they're trying, is Is it a Lads bag? No, you think so. It's Giant Size Man's energy drinks. We got naked women, yeah. So, so. It's terrifying. Yeah, we're getting a radio ads. Yeah.

Yeah. There certainly was a period of like in the 2000s where those magazines were, I don't know, in every petrol station I went to I didn't buy them you were seeking that Weed little man you are They sort of pretty stole Lads Max it sort of yeah, yeah, I like that Should I say three letters there on a failed F.A. Gem. Yeah Ralph For him magazine I think I've been told allegedly

You I should go on I was gonna say so anyway, so they're like, we'll put him in a backup story. And so he's this weird, it turns out that the portal, Liddy Thor was going to send him to his home dimension, actually sent him to Ohio. That's where he emerged.

Oh, this is. In Cleveland, Ohio. Wow. Yeah, so he was, so he, that's where he turned up and he's like, okay, well now I've got a, I can't get home, so I'm going to have to deal with my life in Ohio now.

And so, and the creator was just like, I'm gonna throw a whole bunch of stuff at the wall and just see what's stuck. So like, these villains were like, like, Bessie, the hell cow, he had, Man Frog was a character, he had a villain. Frog man. Yeah, I know, right. He had a villain called the a character. He had a villain. Frog man.

Yeah, I know, right. He had a villain called the Elf with a gun. It was, tell me more about this character. Well, if you can imagine like a magical Christmas Elf, wait for it. He's got a gun. Okay. Yeah, right. Oh, my God.

But anyway, so I don't get it. So in 1975, they were like, okay, well, this character's weirdly getting a lot of traction. We should give him his own book for some reason. And they published How the Duck Issue One. They didn't have any faith in the character, so they only produced the minimum number of issues, which at the time was 275,000 copies. Oh, which all sold out.

So. Just the minimum chips, please. Yeah. And in fact, they sold out so quickly, like for what this speculate as well, like this is the next, we love this character. So people, so the people were like scalping them, like people were, there were 25 cents, I think, an issue.

And you could like weeks later, you could only get them for like 10 bucks, 12 bucks, kind of for this dumb character. Anyway, so they sort of got, he's sort of got this free reign on dumb character. Anyway, so they sort of got this free reign on this character. So he just kept like, it was just more, like it wasn't super here, it was just more weird satire.

And it was like just how it going through weird existential crises every issue. And like, because he was in this world that he never made, he doesn't understand kind of thing. And like a bit, but Goba, like, he didn't consider him like a wily coyote or like a Donald Duck kind of character. He considered him like, he was a flesh and blood duck. I think he said, I've got a quote here,

he said at the time, when wily coyote gets run over by a steamroller, the result is a Panchcake flat coyote who can be expected to snap back to three dimensions within moments. If Howard gets run over by a steamroll, the result is blood on asphalt. So he's kind of... You say asphalt, right? Do I? Yeah, we also say asphalt. Is I normally would say asphalt, I think, but breeding it, I say asphalt.

Anyway, he kept creating these weird stories and the character developed this weird cult following. At one point, the character campaigned for President of the United States in 1976, like in the comic book, but that resulted in thousands of people voting for him in real life, like riding boats. Oh my God. He was part of the all night party.

There's these little campaign. That is a very Donald Duck. Yeah, right. Well, say that's the thing eventually. Disney did get mad at this particular character. So they were like, okay, they never sued, but they did send a lot of letters and they were like, listen, kids are picking up how would the duck expecting, you know, Donald Duck and the, you know, Donald Duck's all about, you know, the squirrels are stealing his lunch or whatever, but they're reading how the duck and it's about, you know, this duck who's his girlfriend's a woman and he's going through weird existential crises and all this other stuff. We don't want this to happen, You have to change the look of how the duck,

so they sent like Disney sent like new design sheets. They're like, okay, you've got to change his beak and you've got to change his hat and you've got to change his hands and you've got to give him pants because the one distinctive feature of all the Disney ducks is they have no pants. So you have to supply him with pants

and at the time like the editors were like, this is great because they've redesigned his character but we don't have to pay to redesign this character. This is what it looks like, man. Yeah, there's little across the table. Yeah, they were like, we've sent you these and they did it for a while and they changed them back and then Disney sent more to any letters and they're like, okay, well I guess you got us kind of thing. All right, how about Flair's, huh?

Yeah, right. And now, or possibly he's now back in Disney's control. Well, because Disney owned Marvel now So yeah, that's why I think that's partially why he's back But yeah for a long that happens. Yeah, like from time like Marvel DC used to have a character DC used to have a competing soup Superman rather used to have a competing character called Captain Marvel not Marvel's Captain Marvel of a different captain Marvel in DC No in in a company called Forcet Comics, and who looked very similar to Superman.

And so DC sued them and stopped them from making a character, but then they bought the company. So now there's two characters of friends. Oh, and that's Shazam, right? That's Shazam, right. Yeah, yeah. So in 1976, the character had his own series. There was a newspaper strip.

So, it was like, it was this, it was approaching like real mainstream popularity for this super weird little character. But in 1978, Gerber, he had an issue with this newspaper strip because what was happening is that the people drawing the newspaper strip weren't being paid for like three or four months, like before they would do three or four months work and then they'd get paid and then do three or four months work and then they get paid again.

And so he's like, why aren't you paying these guys kind of thing and they were like, well this is how the business works and he's like, I'm not happy with how the business works. And they're like, well what are you gonna do about it? And he was like, well I'm gonna quit and I'm gonna take my character and I'm gonna get out of here. And they're like, well, what are you gonna do about it? And he was like, well, I'm gonna quit and I'm gonna take my character and I'm gonna get out of here.

And they're like, well, we own the character so you can't do anything about it. And he's like, oh, okay, then, any quit. So, and he couldn't take the character with him. But, I mean, he thought he could. That's such a bummer and he was trying to make things better. Isn't that funny when people are like, and that's just how the business works.

They're like, well, make it not work that way. It's kind of just a business. Yeah, so anyway, so he maintained that because he created the character, he had the rights to the character, and he could take it wherever he wanted, and they were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So he had the rights to the character,

but he couldn't take it. No, he thought he did. He thought he did, because I guess he'd come from a different industry, and really explained it to him properly. So he thought he did. He thought he did, because I guess he'd come from a different industry. I'd really explained it to him properly. So he thought he did. But he didn't. So he sued Marvel and it dragged on for years and years and years and years.

And eventually they were like, nah, still still can't have it. But in the meantime, in 1973, George Lucas had done a movie called American Graffiti, which is really, really popular, and he had got a bit of money and he bought a share in like a comic book art gallery. And then one day, he was having lunch with the two other writers of American Graffiti, and he came out with his comic book and he's like, check this out, you've got to get on board with this, this is how the duck. We're going to make a movie about how the duck. And they were like, all right, we'll give it a whirl kind of thing. And it didn't really come to anything. And then he pursued his other passion project,

which was a little thing called Star Wars. Yeah, you've had it without a comment. Yeah, come on, come on, mate. And that made, you know, that obviously that was a phenomenal success. And then he made Indiana Jones. then the star was a hot streak. He was on a bloody hot streak. He's on a real heat up. What's he done lately? Hmm, good question. And by two hit wonder, Eric.

Yeah, exactly. Well, but that's the thing. So when Return of the Jedi came out, that was kind of the end of his hot streak. Because he was like, and you know, you know, the stuff, it was like, well, stuff's going to, profits are going to wind up and merchandise is going to wind up. What can I do? What's the next big thing? Yes, Star Wars isn't of a future. Exactly. Well, who knew at the time? Like, there was going to be, you know, the merchandise ourselves was going to go for everybody's like, I've got no idea. Remember when I said,

remember in 74, remember my previous passion project, we're going to make the How are the Duck movie? And this is going to be Movie. And this is gonna be a hit. It was not a hit. He actually made it. Yeah, I've seen it. That's one I was a kid on VHS. Yeah, it was a phenomenal disaster. What kind of animation?

It was like a man. It was gonna be live action animation. It was gonna be sorry animation, but I belittin. But what basically happened is he went to a company called Universal, who we know, and he said, I've got this movie, it's called How the Duck, you know, Me, George Lucas, and Universal were a company that passed on Star Wars. And so they were like, yes, we want How the Duck. Absolutely, we want How the Duck.

Making that mistake again. And that is evidently how most people involved in this movie got became involved in this Because I was like well George Lucas is the last yeah, I would have yeah for sure and so they were like They were like You George just wanted to make an anime. Do go ahead. Sorry. Well, this was a house silly did stuff. We'll sound for a good Well, exactly. Yeah, yeah laser swords and yeah, you were like space wizards and stuff all right This sounds silly, but everyone's going to be dressing as how the duck in here has to come. So they wanted to make it animated, but Universal already had an animated

movie slated, I think, for that year. So they're like, well, it's going to have to be live action. That's like built. That was probably a mistake. What killed it? Was it a robotic duck? It was a man in a suit, but it was like, you know, you know, you watch the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies? Yeah. That was kind of like, it was a man in a suit, but you know how, did you watch the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies? That was kind of like, it was a man in a suit, but they'd animate, like they'd... Jim Henson's Road.

They were at a fine when I was a child. Well, imagine that in 1986. So it was like, to some extent, it was way ahead of its time. Yeah, this was 1986, because the how the duck suit was the first freest like animatronic thing. Like when you think of like ET or somebody like the character like that, it's always still wired up.

Like if you're looking at the top, they've wired the bottom. If you're looking at the bottom, they've wired the top and it's just out of frame. Right. But this was the first like we get a man in a suit, we don't connect it to anything, it's a remote control, it's got the thing or whatever. And so they went through like, initially it was like 12 year old, they had to cast like a 12 year old boy to be in the suit because obviously it's like three feet tall or whatever. And that didn't work because of labor laws and it was exhausting to be in there and you couldn't see out of the suit. And then they went around like, like a little,

they had to cut, they tried to cast like little people and that didn't work for a lot of reasons. At one point I think they had like four, eight year olds that they would slot in a, like an hour shift. Yeah, they do a like an hour shift each and slot them in and out. And eventually they settled on, uh, the five mud things. The five mud things, exactly. They've rotated them through. Yeah. Um, but, yeah, exactly.

Uh, let me, I might have a little something on the moon. All right. That's blowing me like, it was quite an adult movie, but I can't. I think my parents would have known that. I would have seen it when I was pretty old. I saw it in the 90s at some point. But I can't really remember anything about it, apart from maybe being, seeming a bit dark.

Like it was all set at night car riding. It was very, it was a little bit dark and it was certainly weird, but like they changed a lot of the aspects of the character, I think, and what the fans of how the dark wanted was this like, like this cynical cigar swoking, like Brooklyn kind of dude. But in the movie, he was just kind of like this fun artist kind of dude.

And like in the comic books, his longtime girlfriend is Beverly, and she's like a... The cow, a long-time girlfriend, he's Beverly, and she's like, the cow, the exploding cow. No, it's just a human woman. And she's like a nude model in the comic books, but in this she's like a, she's in a band, I think she's in a rock band. But it was kind of more clean-cut, and it was just like, it was a little bit dumb and generic, and people hated it, and it lost a lot of money. So they tried to please everyone and please know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the director who made it, who was one of George Lucas's

writing partners, he never directed a movie ever again. Yeah, it's killed his whole career. Yeah, yeah. So has it gone on to achieve cult status? Or is it so bad, it's just bad? It's just bad, yeah. That's the thing, I think it was so profoundly bad, I think people would watch it more. So it's just fine. Yeah, I don't fine. Yeah, bad fine. Yeah, it's just bad for a right. I guess as opposed to Fran fine. Yes, it was good fine

That's exactly right But yeah, so that lost a lot of money In the in the meantime, let's see Steve Gerber To finance his his lawsuit of lawsuit with Marvel, he created another character called Destroyer Duck, who was kind of like a more action-oriented howard the duck, to an attempt to hijack Kirby created it actually together as an attempt to like, and we'll sell this and then we'll get some money together and we'll sue Marvel. But that never really ended up losing money, I think, on it,

which is a shame. And yeah, he went, he sporadically went back to work for Marvel for bits and pieces, but that didn't really work out. So eventually, he legally, he never owned the character again. However... The Duck. Thank you. I was thinking he was the thing thank you in 90 96

his is my favorite part of the how the duck story is that a bloody bloody buckle in let me let me tell you in 1996 a marvel will like okay we want spot a man's almost popular character as you know Dave so what we're gonna do is we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna team we're gonna create a series called Marvel team up. We're going to team him up with various little known characters and they're going to get a boost and you know it's going to be easy enough to make it with your guys. Thank you. I appreciate it. You're a Spider-Man. And he and they were like, okay, and every

month it's going to be different characters going to team up with Spider-Man and they're going to fight crime or whatever. And they were like, why don't we do, let's bring back how the duck and they asked around and they're gonna fight crime or whatever. And they were like, why don't we do, let's bring back how the duck? And they asked around like they're writing pool, they're like, you want to do a how duck story. And everybody's like, well no, because it's kind of Steve's character and we don't want to, we don't step on any toes. And you know, he had that legal thing we don't want to whatever.

So they called Steve Gerber and they're like, do you want to write this storyline? And initially he was like, no, absolutely not. But then, inexplicably, he's like, you know what, I am gonna write this storyline. And so the premise is that Spider-Man, he meets Howard the Duck again, their friends and they team up

and they're tracking down a particular villain, the elf with a gun, he's back. And he and his girlfriend Beverly, they all team up. They're long term They're really long term. It was it was really great to really mature put a ring on it But also that's one of the reasons that it's that that's probably one of the reasons that the movie did not Do so well as people were like why is he in bed with this woman? This year

It's an old word. But I don't have those screwed things. Of course, for penises, yeah. Yeah, precisely. Yeah. But, but some women like that. So initially, unbeknownst to Marvel at the same time, he went to another comics company called Image Comics, which is a company where it's very much create our own, like it's if you create a character.

It's your character. And he went to like the editor in chief of image comics who got called Eric Larson and he created a character called the Savage Dragon. He's kind of like the Hulk, he's green, he's got a fin on his head. He's a cop. He's like a super power cop and he's like, how about we team up Savage Dragon and destroy a duck, my character, and we'll have them team up and they'll go on an adventure and they'll, you know, find the bad guys. And then he went back to Marvel and he said, hey, what if we cross over both these issues,

a double cross, if you will, and we should do that. And they were like, this better not get us into trouble, but sure do whatever you want, kind of thing. So basically, what happens is the two issues follow a parallel kind of story track, both of the groups of heroes, like head to the same warehouse, like at the same time, like a... Oh, I love this. The head to the same warehouse, basically, Spider-Man and Howard the Duck and Beverly,

bust in on this warehouse, they find the villain, the elf with a gun, and Savage Dragon destroy a duck, go into the other side of the warehouse, and they find their villain. And there's a big bruha-ha, and the other side of the warehouse and they find their villain. And there's a big bruha and the final pages of both issues are the same. There's this big battle. They meet, they encounter like two shadowy figures, which is the other characters and they go their separate ways. But the image comics issue, the savage dragon destroyer duck issue has a different set of

like final panels where the elf with a gun uses his magical powers to create like thousands of clones of Howard the Duck and Beverly, like to cause this chaos so he can get away in the Mayhem. And there's like two or three additional panels where Destroyer Duck sees the real Howard and Beverly and goes, those are the two real ones, let's get them. Let's grab them. Let's take them back this way. They look so similar only we can tell, but those are the guys. They'll never know the difference. And so they take Howard and Beverly to the image universe, leaving two clones to go back

to the Marvel universe. So while from a legal standpoint, Marvel still owns How are the Duck? The How are the Duck that currently exists in the Marvel universe? Isn't real. Is not real. And so there's one final page where How are the Duck

and his girlfriend like change their look, How are becomes landed the duck, and Beverly becomes I think Melody, and they go off and have their own adventures in a creator-owned universe where they own one place. We're Steve Gerberones, those characters. And my head is just exploded.

And you got to, you got to wait. You got to wait with it. You actually put a create new stories with them. Yeah, yeah. What a legend. I know, pretty good, right? That is ridiculous. Yeah.

And he got a lot of angry phone calls from the editor and chief at Marvel at the time. Was that like, because I suppose they wouldn't have known They wouldn't have seen their image Until it came out no, yeah, cuz they'd see that yeah, he was just he was just told don't get us into trouble And he was like all right, what are you gonna do? Yeah, yeah, so I know right? He's passed on since then, but that is my favorite. We call that the How the Duck Switcheroo and you and the Biz. Yeah, and the Biz, that's what we call it. That's a famous move. It's only worked once, I think, to the best of my knowledge, but

I think it worked quite well. That's great. That is really sneaky and I love it. There you go. That is so, so cool. So he might be back. He might will see any new movies. He was teased at the end, but was that just a little joke for mega fans? I think it was. You actually have his own toy. No, I don't think he ever will. I mean, maybe he'll appear in an action sequence or something like that, which would be nice.

It would be cool right for him to have another crack at a proper... Yeah, for sure, yeah. Geez, George Lucas, he's got a lot to answer for, doesn't he? That's something that we've all always said. Oh, is it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, big time. Oh, big time.

This is a big episode. I can't remember what our longest one ever is, but this would be up towards those. Yep, I reckon, but it was bloody fantastic. Oh, it's fun. Hopefully it was for the listeners also. I love those listeners. Yeah, thanks so much for listening to the show, guys.

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suppose they they butch on the bottom yeah so what what have we going with and I can also have obviously they can often have multiple Togas. What are we going with the savage swan? I said the savage he swan Oh the average savage he swan. I like that Because all swans are ladies. Yeah, that's true. We said the human swan to start with human swans good also human swan That's great. I'd also love to thank thank you Dave the human swan Swenson. Yes, Dave. We appreciate your support. I'd also love to thank the human swan, Swenson. Yes, Dave, we appreciate your support. I'd also love to thank from Canberra,

which is also, I don't know if you know this Mason. Should I call you Mason? Yeah. Can I call you Mason? Yes! The Australian capital territory is, and Canberra is the capital, that's where Australia's parliament sits.

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Oh, we're political Seterical Yeah, I'm better believe it I'd love to thank from up there Hopefully he's not a corruption man. Uh, Riley baths. Solomu. Oh, bath man. Bath man. Do the bath man. Very clean. The power of the bath bomb. So it's a bath bomb. If you're not in water, it just sits there. Oh, but as soon as you're in water, that's fizzing. That's fizzing. It's giving you a nostril. It's getting us a little. Don't get him wet. He just like a Hulk, but you don't get him angry. You don't want to see him wet.

You don't see me when I'm wet. I'm always wet. Riley Bathom. Look at me. The bath bomb. Is that what you're going to do? Yeah, the bath bomb. I love it. The bath bomb.

He says like a villain. Can we, can we be villains? Yeah, I think so, yeah. It's the bath bomb villain. Bath bomb. I think he will eat, what do you call the villains who are like heroes? Anti heroes? Anti heroes and anti hero. Yeah, bath bomb villain. Bath bomb, I think he will eat, what do you call the villains who are like heroes? Or anti heroes?

Anti heroes and anti heroes. Yeah, bath bomb could be an anti hero could be, yeah. I think he carries around a little, one of those little spray bottles, he's like, oh, I'm mad. Chips. Wait, hang on. And his alter ego during the daytime,

cleans windows at intersections. Oh, wow, that's a dangerous game for him to be in. Yeah. He slips. Maybe you go next time. I was thinking just but it's me. Oh, I think that was me. I can go.

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Oh, wait. Did I? I can't remember. I'm pretty sure you did. It's from... So confusing. Missouri. I would like to thank a triple name.

Oh, triple name. There's two faces now, triple name. Timothy's Stephen Moore. Oh, he was Niles and Frazier. I think his initials almost spelled Tism. Timothy, Stephen Moore. Tism. So they were masks, the masks? Yeah. Well, I know, maybe he could, yeah, so there could be Humphrey B. Floubert, is one of the singers. Ron Hitler-Barrassi, Dave, you might, or we've got,

Jess has given me a shake and I head there. Also, there's- No, I think he's getting the run, Brassie reference over and- Oh, he was one of the all-time great AFL strontal supporters. Yeah, well, something about the balaclav. Yeah, maybe that's good.

Dave, what are you reckon? The Masked Moor. Where's he from? We get Missouri. The Masked Moor. The Masked Moor. Wait, is he from again, Missouri? The last Missouri. The last Missouri. That's a wrestler. The last Missouri. All of the serial killers, sir.

I can. Take your pick, that's the name. Rest by day, serial killer by night. Ooh, but what if he's an anti-serial killer? Oh, that's a serial killer, but he's one of the good guys. Yeah, serial killer, serial killer. Wow. Yeah, like the spider.

Yeah, the spider. Taking out people who have killed thousands. Thank you very much to the marks. Mizzura. Yeah, thank you. Tism. And I'd also like to thank from California.

I think this is one of the old time greats in the whole fame for the doger one listeners. And and the reason that this person has that title in the Hall of Fame is because he traveled an awfully long way to come to our 100th show In Melbourne from California. That's a long distance. Yes. Okay. It's not just like a drove an hour, you know? Yeah, I want to You know, I guess I would like to thank from California Nestered, I'm definitely gonna say your surname wrong. How would we say that? Guayero. Oh, okay, that was beautiful. I don't know, I'm sure.

I'm confident that's a pretty good step. He's from Asparto, California. California. He's sat in this very studio, he can't any. Nester is like, he's like a shirt or, you know, a pink. Yeah, to me he's his nester. Yeah. Nester, nester, you're the best. But I'm assuming you're a name for the great man, Nester. Well I think Matt just did it. Nester, you're the best. What you think in Nester?

Obviously like Bird, he's some sort of a bird man. Oh, yep. Oh yeah, I was gonna say the unbestable nester. Oh, the unbestable nester, I like that. Can't be bested. He's like a squirrel man, squirrel woman. Squirrel girl. Third time, it's not a key.

Squirrel girl and Nestor can't be bested. No, it can be. Is the. What? What? Nestor is what a hell. Nestor. What are we going with?

Dave Fonacole. The unbestable Nestor. Unbestable Nestor. That's a good one. That's a good one not just because that's the And what is he dress as? Some sort of bird Ooh some sort of bird I like that Dave

He's very dressed as a nest Dave's a real Stanley vibe Yeah some sort of bird I'm thinking I'm zanging he's some sort of bird Make it happen goodbye Dave out See you never I've got a wife three weeks

Nestle you legend thanks so much for the support thanks Nestle the ongoing support is always appreciated now Who's coming next oh? I'll take From from Derbyshire in Greater Britain. Oh very good. Oh, mr. Adam leg Adam leg Okay, wife the kangaroo wasn't already tight, then Mr. Legg here. What's another animal that has legs? If it isn't old, Mr. Megregg with a leg for an arm

and an arm for a leg. What's that? It's a Dr. Micraviere episode. Oh, yeah, let me spin it. What else has legs? Yeah, what has legs? Ooh, a racknitz. Ooh. They have eight legs.

Pallipilla, I could be a caterpillar. Millipede? Millipede, I like that. The human millipede. Oh, nice. Nice. What does he do? What's his, what's his ammo?

What's his Missouri? I was kidding, I'm excited. I'll know you have to say it. I didn't have to. You're gonna say the, I was just like the human torpedo, the human mill a p-dop that sounds really bad sounds great sounds really bad that sounds great no the elevator like that oh I've only just gotten in now oh hang on

human centipede no that's still bad p-dop was the bad bit. Stop saying it. Adam Legg. Yeah, Legs 11. We got Chicken Leg Drumstick, the Drumstick. The Drumstick. The Drumstick is good for the thing is that his punch is better than his kick. Yes. Just a confusion. Yeah, yeah, like that advantage.

Yeah, all right. The Drumstick. The Drumstick. He plays a drumstick. Yeah, all right, the drumstick. Drums stick. Drums stick. He plays a drumstick. Drums stick. He's the guitarist in a band. By night and by day, he's the drumstick. Yes. A guy who dresses up as a chicken to try to get people

into a chicken shop. I mean, yep. Solving. Oh, we got, we got, we got. Thank you Adam. Can I go? No. Okay, another, it. Thank you Adam. Can I go? No.

Okay. Another, maybe a rival for him, also from Great Britain, Manchester Great Britain, Jack Marsland. Oh, that's a cool man. That's a name of a superhero's altering. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

A sort of journalist. Kangaroo Jack, Marsland. He went from Manchester once when he was a kid and he studied with kangaroos until his jump rivaled this. Matt, you're thinking of the kangaroos, so yeah. Oliver. Because that I was on a real hot streak of creativity. No. First thing you come up with, Jess, come on. Jack Marson, who is he? Tree, boy! Oh, I like that. I am sure. Oh, fuck! I'm panic!

Nice, quick. First thing, come on. Tree, man. I am Groot Dave. What about... Tell me about a Martian. Martian. Yeah, obviously, yeah, Martian. The Martian. Matt Damon. Yes. The Martian, oh, obviously, yeah, Marta Martian. The Martian! Matt Damon! Yes! The marshmallow Martian.

Ooh, Puffy! Adorable! Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he gets angry, he puffs up. Yeah. Puffs up like a puff of jacket. Yeah. Like a marshmallow.

No, the human puff of jacket. Oh! The puff of fish. Yes! The puff of fish. The puff of fish. Wow! Yeah, yeah, yeah. The most complicated backstory yet.

Jack Moth. Why don't I call you the public fish? Well, my name's Jack Maslan. So it's like a mushroom. Thank you, Jack Maslan. Hopefully, see you in Manchester sometime soon. Yes. All right, I'm going to bring it home with a couple of names.

Yeah, I'd like to thank all the way from Leicestershire, also on Team GB. I'd like to thank Nick Thompson. Tom Ooooooooh. Um, Tom Ooooooooh. Emma Thompson. Okay. Nice, yeah, that's good.

She's one, two Academy Awards. She was from the Foot Lots. I thought we were just going with Emma Thompson. No, we were not great. My brain's stomach sessions only go one step. Emma Thompson, here we go. I like it. We like to take it eight more unnecessary steps. You're right. She was in the footlines. Footlights were seven fry, frying pan, eggs, eggs, benedict, benedict, bended a cumberbatch.

The cumberbatch. Benedict, Pope Benedict XVI, Pope. Pope, the Holy Roller. Yes, the Holy Roller. Yes, the Holy Roller. The Rolling Pin. Rolling Pin, the Pin. The weapon. Yeah, pin of...

The Holy Roller uses the pin of Destiny. Yes. All the knives are a big good deal. You know what I'm saying? Stanley, you would have done it. Taken the 60s, nothing was taken. Like now it's like, oh, a Marshman. Now that's taken Marshland now but back in the 60s

Yeah, nothing was taken. Yeah, that's true. I am man. Yes make it happen Nick Thompson holly roll it with the rolling pin of density Thanks Nick great to have you on board and finally I'd like to thank from Mitchell to to have you on board. And finally, I'd like to thank from Mitchellton. Does that have a question mark at the end of the day? In Queensland, I haven't heard of that place before. Mitchellton. And I would like to thank from Mitchellton in Queensland Joe Penning. Oh, Kenny. Oh, pasta. So we think in Italian. Yeah, Italian. Okay. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what that is. Mitchell Turner's a Brisbane suburb.

Oh. Great to have you support Joe. Are we going with the strap? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what that is. Mitchell Turner's a Brisbane suburb. Oh! Great to have you support, Joe. Are we going with the strapper? The strapper like the horse, the, like a farrier, is that? The horse whisperer. No, farrier's a, for sure. For sure, for sure. The shatter.

Horse shatter. For sure, the horse shatter. Fies, horses, beards. Is it the pie, yep, yep? Yeah. For sure. For sure, the horse shatter. Chatter wise horses be is at the buy-up yep Wow Joe you're a good bloody person. Yeah, never had never seen horse. I haven't shout Horsewalk in a bar Joe bloody shout at him

End of issue one God stop coming books would have been so easy in the 60s. No, right. The horse out there. Is that been taken? No. It's out. Copyright, don't do it. If we combine them all, they are the real Avengers. Oh, yes. Someone, I mean, people can draw out there. Can someone put that together?

Please. It's all we ask is you get eight completely original superheroes to ask specifications. That's all we want. Have we ever asked anything of you? Never. Particularly the person I haven't asked anything of before listening.

Have I? Particularly any of these people providing money. Have we ever asked for anything? Money. I think the least they deserve is for you whoever's listening to this and taking this seriously, to draw them into the thing that we said just before the horse whisperer shout out the holly roller holly roller the pin of destiny then we had the bath bomb I've already forgotten we had the never-best in Esther. How do you draw that?

The drumstick. We had the... Humanswan. Humanswan. We had the human. Ah, I haven't forgotten the human one. Humanswan is so good. Where do we get to with Marsland?

Oh, the puff of fish. Yes, of course. Ah, it's fun to reminisce. The puff of course. That's fun to reminisce. The father of fish. And the Nick Thompson was the holy roller. And of course we finished with Joe Penning, the most recent one. The Horshatter. The Horshatter.

Put them all together and what have you got? The most undefeatable team ever put together. Yes. What's that tagline they use for the most recent Avengers film? It was all like, they said that this is the bet and there's that meme. Yeah, Melbourne, all I know is Melbourne's all in. That one is definitely all in for this. Yes.

Do you reckon anyone's listening this far? No, I hope not. I hope so. There's some great content. I haven't been listening for the last half hour. Thanks so much for being by my way. But that's where my rapport was in the last half hour. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh, no. Now, if you want to get in contact with us anytime, do go on pod.com is the place to hit up all our previous episodes, our list of there as well as our email and Facebook Twitter Instagram All the kind of stuff and new topics. Wow, they're listed there. One of Matt Weaming out the wall with his hand

In Brad, it was in brackets. Goodness, you said that. That was not what I was imagining I was imagining. Oh boy. Yeah. And of course if you want to, if you want to, if you want to, if you want to draw that, but if you want to draw that's no, it's, hit us up. Please don't, please don't do that. We've got to tell you to listen to Nick Mason and Mr Sonny Moose, maybe those podcasts. I wouldn't need our help. No, we can do it with this.

It is so good. What, will you know what this week's episode is? We're really going to be talking about Ocean's 8, which is the new Ocean's movie. Yeah. The Church of Luke. Have you seen it? I have seen it.

I liked it. And all we're going to be talking about upgrade, which is the new movie by Adley Wannell from the Saw movie franchise. Oh, cool. And recovery on a Spine TV in the 90s. Yeah. He was the movie reviewer on recovery.

Upgrade, what's that about? It's about a man. Oh, wow. Don't want to give too much to us. Did Sam wake him up with that? Have you seen the film? Yeah, I saw it just earlier. Does he have some, he's in some sort of car accident?

And then they rebuild him? Sort of, yes. You're thinking of four cars or a film? Because I auditioned for the role of the weird guy that put things... Really? I can't. You can't be that way.

I can't. Yeah, I'm gonna say you are. I picked up the script, first page, it's described as a small Indian man. And I was like, I don't think I'm gonna get it. I said, he will, and a small Indian man didn I was like I don't think I'm gonna get I thought he will and a small Indian man didn't get the role so oh my goodness Good occasion man was he a little bit weird because that's how I'm like it's really weird Not that weird to play weird I was very uptight and Hopefully they've destroyed that video. I don't know what anyone said hopefully

When we talked to him later in the week, we can, oh yes, we can get it off of it. Are you going to leave when Elle coming in? We might do. I'll see. We're going to go to ask him about recovery. That won't be tedious for him. Okay, don't ask about recovery. Ask him to give me some notes on how next time

I could get that role. All right. Yes, you just time wise. We'll do that. You're pointing at him very threateningly. Sorry. I'm looking at Lee when he's embodying the role that he didn't get. A weird man.

I'd love to see it, see how it turned out, because I read the whole script anyway. It seemed fun. No, it's fun or what? It's fun. Very, very cool. Thanks so much for listening everyone. We'll be back next week with another episode.

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