Do Go On - 141 - The History of Pantera

Episode Date: July 4, 2018

This week's episode is about heavy metal powerhouse, and one of Matt's favourite bands, Pantera! From their beginings as a glam band through to their days on top of the world - we talk about their successes, failures, tradegies and controversies.Report begins at 7:50Check out Gamey Gamey Game: http://gameygame.com/dogoonSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodWebsite : dogoonpod.com Support Dave's Gloveless Finger Palm Coolers Pozible Campaign: https://pozible.com/project/gloveless-finger-palm-coolersSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]/Further Reading:https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/jerry-abbott-father-dimehttps://web.archive.org/web/20110713234147/http://love-it-loud.com/making-of/pantera-cowboys-from-hell/https://www.loudersound.com/features/the-story-behind-cowboys-from-hell-by-panterahttp://www.blabbermouth.net/news/vinnie-paul-repeats-debunked-story-of-how-panteras-vulgar-display-of-power-cover-was-created/https://www.loudersound.com/features/once-were-warriors-the-rise-and-fall-of-panterahttp://www.blabbermouth.net/news/archive-news-jun-14-2001/http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/philip-anselmo-dimebag-darrell-deserves-to-be-beaten-severely/https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/phil-anselmo-opens-up-about-racism-panteras-legacy-w456501https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/feb/01/metal-community-condemns-racism-phil-anselmo-nazi-salute-white-powerhttp://www.Pantera.com  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

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Welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm sitting here with Matt Stewart and a very hungover, Jess Perkins. Hey, Papa. You're just excited that it's not you for once. I haven't had a drink in like two months. That's not true. At all? At all.

Well, not since last financial year. Well, I mean, that was yesterday. Yeah. Or whenever you're listening to this, the appropriate amount of time ago. Plus yesterday. Yes. No, I just want to know how smug are you feeling now looking across the table at Jess? So smug.

Very hungover, Perkins. Look, I imagine she had a really good time and it was well worth it. I did have a really good time. And? It was well worth it. No, I wasn't worth it. I threw up in a cafe. Nah.

Like in a bin? No, I went to the bathroom. Oh, no, I went behind the sandwich counter. I think nearly nothing is worth that. Yeah, it wasn't good. I think, yeah, hangovers are very rarely, really worth it. But the annoying thing is that I woke up fine. Like, you know, you're normal thirsty and tired.

Praying for death. I know. I was like, wow, I'm actually all right. And then like four hours later, I was not okay. That's annoying. I need to know when I wake up what I'm dealing with. Right. It snuck up on you.

Yeah. And then I had to throw up a couple of times at a cafe and then another time at home. Then I had to sleep for a bit. And now I feel very average. Do you reckon you get a vom again live on air? God, I hope so. Live on air.

This is Saturday night. We will not be cutting out the sounds of you vote. No. We will not compromise on that. I know. I wouldn't ask you to. Hey, Bob, I think in your current state, you're probably the best person to give us a quick rundown

to what this show is all about. Easy, no problem. What this show is, is myself. Jessica and Perkins That boy over there David James Waterke Okay I'm the boy, yep That bearded man over there

Matthew James Stewart Is we take turns Taking a topic Suggested by yourself Heward Stewart Is that Huid Stewart's the person Who suggests the topic?

All of them All of them I did not know that It doesn't make sense to one person The collective term For a Dugo on this way It's a Heward Stewart Oh he should steward

Yeah Did you know that day? No, I didn't know that. If I may continue. Is that their last time or is that their occupation? They're steward. No, that's their collective. It's like a flock of seagulls.

Yeah. Or a murder of crows. Right. They ran. Steward of fans. They ran so far away. Right. Please go on.

Sorry, Jess. I'm so sorry to interrupt. Your seamless description. Right. So the three aforementioned, Actors. Great. Comedians, performers, human beings.

Preferer act or. Actor, we choose a topic suggested by a Hewitt Stewart. We report, create a report on that topic and report that report back to the other two, one of whom is currently struggling very hard. Right. Dave. I'm struggling very hard to understand, yes. And hilarity follows.

Perfect. I'm excited that one of us will give a reportable report. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is started usually with a question. And this week, I'm doing the topic, and here is my question. Right on. It's a very personal question. I don't normally open up like this.

Who is my third favorite band of all time? Third favorite. Well, you are wearing a UMI jumper? That's true. Great Ozzy band. I know you like them a lot. I do. It's not them, no.

Where were they come? Have you ranked them? How many have you ranked? I've only really ranked to three. Three. Okay. Well, the Beatles, we've talked about before. I believe they may be your number one.

Yes, I think so. Pantera? Yes, that's who it is. Yeah. Pantera. I think a little bit after writing this report makes me not like them as much as with all reports I've done. No, honestly, you should never meet or write a row. Do go on report about your heroes.

Yeah, it's a bit of a, like, maybe I sort of vaguely, but anyway, we'll talk about as we go on. This topic of Pantera was suggested by listener Alex Hitchcock about a year or so ago. go on Twitter. But it's also been suggested a bunch of times in the last week or so because Pantera have been in the news. Sadly they have. Jess not aware. I did not know.

The drummer died not too long ago. But I guess I'll mention that later in the report. Yeah, so it's been pretty sad. And yeah, it was, to me it was mind-blown because I'd already started the report. when he died. You'd already chosen this. Yeah. Wow.

Because I'd been reading about him a lot and started writing the report at the time. Somehow Google knew that and messaged me saying there's news about Pantera. That's how I found out he died. Google told you. Google texting. Have you ever had that before? No, I'd never had that before about anything. That's so strange.

That is so strange. And do you feel responsible? I can't help it feel like I played a small and pivotal role. So thank you so much Alex Hitchcock for the suggestion. Dan Hart had a bit of a chat about it as well. He turned out to be a big fan. He thought it would be a really good topic. He made this assumption that you guys would not know much about them.

Correct assumption. Okay. Dave? Yes, I have gone through a sort of heavier music phase in my teens, but never sort of the thrash type of metal. so I don't really know anything about them. Well, I mean, you're off from the start. They weren't, I mean, they were thrash influence, sure, but they were not a thrash medal.

Are they one of the big four? No, Dave, no, no, no. All right, let's get on with the report. Is that wrong? I don't know the big four. They were influenced by the big four, but they weren't one of the big four. They sort of went off on a slight fork. Oh, I'm so out of my depth.

All right. Well, let's start from the top in the man, Jerry Bob Abbott. Jerry Bob, good. Jerry Bob Abbott. He was a country musician and a record producer from Texas. And in 1962, at 20 years of age, he married Norma Carolyn Carolyn. Two years later, they had a son who was named Vincent Paul Abbott, who you would know from this week's, last week's last month's news.

He was the drummer who died, Vinnie Paul. He was born on March the 11th, 1964. And two years later, they had another son named. Darrell Lance Abbott on August the 20th, 1966. Of course, 1996 is the most good year of them all, a mere 35 days after Darrell's birth. The Saints won there, one and only VFL premiership. So it's a great thing that Vinnie Paul and Darrell both were alive for the Sainters, big day. They were there.

I assume they were there. If they weren't there, they were probably watching it on the bloody telly. I shouldn't they get Channel 7? I think so. Over there, don't they? How many channels are there? Yeah. At least seven, obviously.

Yeah, sure. Despite having no prior experience, Jerry Bob took up a job as a recording studio engineer in 1973. He was a musician. He'd been around it, but he'd never done any engineering work. But he got a job. Got a job. A friend, I think, asked him to do it, and he's like, all right.

So his boys, Darrell and Vinnie Paul, would spend a bunch of time hanging out there. at the studio. And bigger brother Vinnie took up playing the drums. And although Darrell also wanted to play the drums, like his brother, there was only the one kit, so he took up guitar instead. Which is, I reckon nearly it would always be, guitar would, my bet would be that that would normally be the first picked. Yeah, definitely.

If you lined up all the instruments, it'd probably go guitar, drums, bass, right? Yeah. I like the bass. I think it does depend on the era. It sort of depends how. If it's a funk band, maybe bass to be higher up the pecking order. Or like sometimes in some era as like keyboard is big. Right.

Keytah. Like in the 80s or something. But then, you know, guitar usually does trumpet. And the great thing about guitar is you can just, you can play along to your, you know, you can jam on your own drums. It's difficult to play solo. Yeah. Drum solosos are great, though. I saw Cosmic Psychos last month and they, at one point, they go, we're bringing back the drum solo.

I mean, they did a big drum solo. How long do you're going to went for? It was a good few minutes, but it made me think I'm like, yeah, that was like not that long ago. Every gig you went to, there'd be a drum solo, especially bigger shows, but they don't really happen that much anymore. Out of bloody fashion. Bring him back. Bring him back. As well as the key tar.

Darrell was given a guitar as a birthday present, and Jerry Bob gave him his first lessons. Before long, Darrell was becoming a prodigy in the art of shredding. He recorded some of his playing into a cassette and entered into a local guitar competition at the age of 14 and he was selected from 150 entries to go into the final which was played live and he ended up taking out the whole competition as a 14-year-old against, you know, experienced man in this guitar.

Oh, so it's not just for kids? Yeah. Well, that's what I do believe it was an open competition. Wow, that is cool. That's awesome. And are they all just sort of getting up there and shredding for like, you know, a couple of minutes. Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Seeing whoever's. And then he started just going around doing that, winning a lot of competitions. Man, what happened to the guitar competition? Yeah, I never... Bring him back. Never come across that, but yeah, that is a fun idea. The brothers' early influences included bands like Kiss and Van Halen. And according to Jerry Bob, Eddie Van Halen, Randy Rhodes,

who was from Ozzy Osbourne's band and his own band quite right. and Ace Freely from Kiss were his favorite players. And the first song he remembers his boys playing was Deep Purple's Smoke on the Water. Oh, yeah. It's a classic first guitar song. Bam, bam, bam. We can all play it. On the old mouth guitar.

Yeah. Yeah. Bam, bam. And Dave on the mouth drums. Bam, bam, bam. Bam, bam. Drum solo Now drum solo

Oh, oh God I hit my leg The rest is history I won that competition They left Yeah they left Famously left the I hit my leg

In the recording And kids across America Still sing those immortal words I hit my leg God. There's blood everywhere. I can see the bone. I've got blisters on my fingers and I hit my leg.

Jerry Bob and Norma Carolyn split when the boys were still quite young. So they live with their mother. But they, according to Jerry Bob, they would often go around to his place. And they saw each other as more like friends. Yeah, cool. He talks about it.

I'm a cool dad. Like the interview was like really, laying it on hard how he's a cool dad. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, we didn't, you know, we didn't even really have like a father-son relationship. We were more like friends. And that's something to brag about, is it?

I know. I wasn't very good at my key role. Deadbeat dad? Well, you know, he taught, he taught a dime bag, Daryl how to play guitar. So, you know. Thank you for that. I mean, wash your mouth out. How many parents have created Dinebegg Daryl?

Yeah, good point. I'm so sorry. Jerry Bob, number one. I'm a bit of a bit. annoyed to hear that his birth name is not Dimebag. No, it wasn't. And actually, I let it slip. I was going to try and wait until he actually started calling himself that before I called

him that. But it's so ingrained in my head calling him Dimebag, but he slipped up like a fool. A fool. Because he, in the majority of maybe almost half or maybe more than half of the albums they ever released, he went by a different name, which I'll mention. Oh, I don't know that name. The brothers formed a band in 1981, who were at first called Gemino. before changing that to eternity.

Oh, wow, they both sound like types of, like rings that predict your mood. Yeah, that is, I mean, that is kind of what metal was in the 80s, was that kind of vague thing, dinosaurs, no dragons, and fire, and mood rings, I guess, I don't know. And Stonehenge. Stonehenge, yeah. The big three, four. That's the big four I was talking about before. Moot rings, dragons.

Stonehenge. Stonehenge. If you had a stab at the big four, would you be, of thrash, would you be able to name them? Yeah, I think, uh, Slayer. Yes. Megadeth? Yes. Anthrax?

Yes. I thought Pantera was the fourth one. Well, it's not. It's the one that I assumed you, everyone would get. Oh, Metallica? Yeah, Metallica. Of course. Fuck.

Well done. Thank you. I apologize. Anthrax is often the one that's the forgotten. one because they were on the everyone else from the west coast I think they were the only like New York New York if I might

right right I always thought Pantera was part of it so they're heavily influenced by those heavily influenced so they were forming in a similar kind of time but they didn't get they they started off in quite a separate side of things Gemini and eternity gives you a bit of a clue to the kind of band they were they were more of that hair metal they were influenced by Van Halen and Kiers

and Kirsten Epper Slayer Eternity oh god But apparently someone Someone suggested to Vinnie Paul As he tells it They said

I think it was based on the name of a car Pantera And it's Spanish for Panther So he's like He took that He took the name to the band Apparently they all They all liked it

It's a cool name It's way better than Eternity Yeah Big time Do you reckon you would like them If they were called Eternity Would they be in your top three? I don't know

Would you be embarrassed to say The first favourite band is called eternity. The way I got into them was, at the time, I was in, like, it would have been 16 or something like that, and I was right into California punk at the time. You know, that sort of poppy punk, like Pennywise and, and, uh, no effects,

and sublime and, and Aussie bands like Body Jar and Friends of Rome and stuff. So I was, like, right into that and had a pretty narrow view of it all. And then I was at, I was at a party and I was saying, my friends was telling me, all my close mates at school were in a,

metal. And I'm like, I just, I don't see it. I don't quite get it. And one of my mates, Paul goes, I come with me and we're at a friend's house and he took me into this other room and he put on a CD. It was the Pantera's 19902 album and he put the headphones on me, played track, I think it's track four, this love. And I listen to it. And I was like, oh, I get it. And I went out and bought the album the next day. And I reckon within a month I'd bought all the whole back catalogue. Yeah, it was like a really quick transition. That was a big influential moment. Yeah, it really was.

It's one of those few moments. I've never heard anything like this before. Yeah, I don't know. That was the song that got me into him. So he just sat you down and said, listen to this. Yeah, basically, it was like a cliched movie moment. I wonder how many times he did that to friends and it just didn't work with you. It was like, yep.

I get it. I'm in. I mean. Yeah, I reckon. You know, and you build up memories in your head, but I'm like, in my mind, my mouth opens. And I was like, whoa. And like your hair was just like blown back. Yeah.

And then realized that someone had accidentally turned on a big fan. So yeah, so they took the name Pantara. And in the early years, they wore classic glam and hair metal kind of clothes, like leather and lycra and studs. It's a real teased up hair, heaps of hairspray. they really wore their influences on their sleeves and they people talk about those early albums

not very super favourably they're sort of like pretty average versions of that style of music do you listen to those too or do you is at a time where you start out? Not really they're sort of with them it's almost like it's almost like you could almost compare it to Star Wars like there's the prequels

but these were just released in actual chronological order And they're basically, they're very derided by the fans and even within the band. But I'll talk about that soon. So they had a few initial line-up changes. But then they set it on this lineup for the 1983 release of their debut album, Metal Magic. Yes. Which has some of the funniest cover art that I've ever seen.

Let me show you guys. They got a friend to paint. This picture. I don't know how you're discharacter. It's like Arnold Schwarzenegger holding like a giant weird knife and he's got the face of a demon wolf man. It's so good. It looks like a really good high school drawing. Yes, a doodle.

Are they still in school? Yeah, they're still, they're in their teens at this stage still. Right, so it does look like. It looks like a teenage band. It's age appropriate, yes. Yeah, I mean, they're friends that have fucking loved it. Yeah. I mean, it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

It looks nude this beast, but it's wearing a belt. There's no pants on there, but it's wearing a belt. Wow, it doesn't have genitals. No genitals, no pants. They're a couple of red flags for me. Wow. And you reckon this is... I don't know what.

Are they just releasing this themselves? Or have they got like a record label? So they're releasing on their own label, which is metal, metal magic. Nice. So on this album, the line-up was Daryl on the guitar, going by the name Diamond Daryl. Yes. Vinny Paul, as Vinny Paul. His classmate, Rex Brown on bass, going by the name Rex Rocker.

Brown is pretty dull. Yeah. But, I mean, Rex is enough. Yeah. It's individual enough. Rex Brown, that's got it. That's fine. That's rock star enough.

Rex Rocker. Makes me. I love it. Makes me smile. Rex Rocker. And Terry Glaze on vocals. The album included tracks including Ride My Rocket, latest lover, sad lover, and rock out.

Yeah, ride my rocket. Ride my rocket. Oh, man. All the subtleties of a high school band. Yeah. They followed this up with 1984's Projects in the Jungle and 985's I Am the Night, all released on the metal magic label. And is their dad recording it for him?

And produced by Jerry Bob. That's fucking cool. He's also their manager. Oh, right. So he's, yeah, he's helping, he's just, he's running the show, really. Because, I mean, they're underage at that stage, so he's getting them to gigs and all that sort of stuff. And they're eking out a decent sort of getting a decent following around the Texas scene, playing a lot of clubs and that sort of stuff.

They started out playing a lot of covers and then, you know, started building in their originals into their sets from these albums. Following on from I Am the Night, the Metal World was changing direction pretty broadly. 86 and 87 huge albums were released by the big four bands of thrash. Oh, I'm so annoyed at myself for going on. Which Dave already mentioned, Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax and Megadeth. And Pantera were looking to move into a heavier direction. And vocalist Terry Glaze left the group.

So they were listening, different members were listening to different releases of those albums. The brothers were right into Metallica early. They said they saw them in their earliest days. small shows. They were right up the front watching Metallical play. Anyhow. What is Terry Glaze doing now? Do you know?

He went on to have, you know, moderate success with other bands. But yeah, he... To me, he sounds like a bricklayer. Yeah, it's probably... You go on to have moderate success as a bricklayer? As a bricklayer, yeah. Yeah. Terry, a window glazer.

Thank you, yep. Sure. So they were looking to move in this heavier direction. And without glaze, they need. a new vocalist, right? So many, they tried out many replacement singers, and they had a three-year break trying out different singers playing different gigs

before Phil Anselmo was given the gig. Right, three years is a long time. Two years younger than Daryl, Phil was the youngest member of the group. In 1988, Pantera released their first album with Anselmo, Anselmo. I feel like I've never had to say his name out loud. Anselmo, titled Power Metal. Power Metal.

Power metal. While still holding on to many of their old hair metal roots, this was easily their heaviest album to date. And I listened to it a few times the other night for the first time in ages. And I quite like it. It's still kind of hated on all those first four albums. Like, seen as a bit of a joke.

But I reckon you can hear the progression as they go. And I think it's a good album anyway. But others definitely disagree with that. Like because power metal is now, is it considered a genre? Is it actually power metal? No, it's not power metal. It's like it's somewhere between that hair metal style, that glam rock style that they were and moving towards that more,

the power groove style that they ended up basically inventing the groove metal style of their 90s albums. But you can, it fits perfectly between the album before and the follow-up album. Yeah, it's a clear stepping stone between the two. But yeah, I think it's a good album. And this was their final self-release album and also their last working directly with old man Joe Bob, good friend and father.

And father. But good friend and average father. Yeah, friend first, father second. Yeah, I don't want to cast aspersions on him like he was some sort of dad character. Audio engineer third. Yeah, it was more of like a Rory and Rory's mum from that show. combo. Why can I not think of the name of the show, but I can remember Gilmore Girls, Lorrella. I'm thinking of Ali McBeal. Allie McBeal, that's who I was thinking of.

Alec McBeal and Rory. Yep. The fourth self, do you reckon there's many podcasts that are all about Pantera that are also talking about Rory and Lorelai? Probably. I reckon they'd be seven. Good to be in the top seven. Yeah, we're number seven, bringing up the rear, but that's a good thing about there being only seven. You're definitely in the top ten. Yep, easy. The four self-released albums from the 1980s were never re-released after their initial runs and I think they,

I think I read there were runs of about a thousand copies. Right. And are they available now on things like iTunes and Spotify and stuff like that? No. Or they're like, that's not really us. Yeah, it's basically been deleted from their history. It's unofficial. It's not canon sort of thing.

Right. But it's like they should have changed the name there. Yeah, no, that does feel like that would have made some sense, right? I found that interesting. But they were like, this name is so sweet. Yeah. We just can't drop it. We can't top it.

I mean, it means Panther in Spanish. Pantera. So, yeah, those old, they are still floating around. If you want to buy them, you're looking on eBay for a thousand plus bucks. Seriously? To listen to an album that probably sucks. Yeah, I guess it's just, I guess it's all about scarcity in the market or whatever. Yeah, the trough of no value that Nick Mason spoke about on the Marvel.

Yeah. Or the Superman. What was that? So, yeah, they basically disown them. Even their website, the official Pantera website, on their discography page does not show them. Oh, wow, okay. That muscle man with no penis is not on their official website. Excuse me, that muscle wolfman.

Muscle wolf man with no penis. Yes. But a belt. But a beautiful belt. Yeah, and you'd have to assume that a lot of that has got to with a change of musical direction. They also now have funding and maybe they can better realize the sounds that they want to do. and they're getting closer to what they were trying to do maybe. Or however, they've described it in different ways in interviews,

but they don't talk about the old stuff very much. According to Vinnie Paul, after they finished power metal, they looked at themselves and said, you know what, these fancy clothes and all this crazy hair ain't playing music for us? We are. So we decided to drop the image and focus more on the music and kick as much ass as possible. Yeah, all right.

Hell yeah, as Vinnie Paul would say, the change happened quickly and everyone involved seemed to kind of take the credit for the change in direction. Vinnie Paul kind of just did then. According to Jerry Bob Abbott, he received the following advice from a relative stranger who worked in the music business. The man said, your band is too good. It does too many things well and it's too diversified. They need to decide what they want to do, do that one thing. and somebody major will sign this band. And according to Jerry Bob,

this podcast is too good, by the way. We need to tone back that goodness. We cover too many facts. Too much. We have too many jokes. Too much personality. Yeah. We need to pick one.

Bege. That's my personality. beige. Bege. And I'm going to get this band signed. Beige. Bege. I love, it's just great in the return.

This girl is like, you're the best. If anything, you're too good for humans. to hear. Yeah. And we were like, you know what? Tone it down for our dumb ears. He's got a point. And this is how he responded.

He said, I thought enough of what he said to tell the boys. They all smiled, looked at each other, and each one of them knew exactly what they wanted to do. And that's what you hear on the next album, Cowboys from Hell. So he's... Oh, very good. He's saying, I got a little advice. And I was the one who told him. And that made them go, yeah.

Yeah, we're going to change direction now. Because of what that stranger said to you about us being. too good. So he was happy to take the credit. Finney Paul sort of has, but also was singer Phil Anselmo stating in a 2010 interview, I showed them the fucking past man.

My favorite telling of the story so far. Describing a time he played a slayer song on vinyl for Darrell in 98. According to Phil, by the end of the song, Darrell was like, damn, son, that's badass. So right there and then, I had really broken some headway, according to Phil.

So he changed his mind with a bit of slayer vinyl. Right. I wonder if your friend who showed you, Pantera in the first place, would retell the story a different way. I'd love to. Basically, my friend came in and said, I don't like any good music.

And I was like, I'm just going to sit him down. And I blew his mind. I mean, that's kind of how I told the story. And then I said to him, you're too good for this party. You've got to leave this goddamn party. And I said, you're right. You have a lot of friends in the South, don't you?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I assume that you first had Pantera, the Texas band in Texas. Oh, it was in the south suburbs of Melbourne. Texas. Texas. Texas. Texas.

Texas tea, which is oil, not relevant to anything, but a fun little phrase there. Something to say. Texas tea. In the old podcast, that would have been good, but there's too many facts. Black gold, Texas tea. Scale it down. Okay, great. You've got to be less good.

Yeah, less good. Less good. I'll do my best. I'm doing my part. Jess is very subdued over there. I am struggling. Luckily, we're doing a topic that she's finding fascinating. No, and it's really interesting.

And she knows a lot about Pantera, so she's holding back her own facts. No, but I love Matt's knowledge and passion. It's very exciting. I'm also just eyeing off this chair and heater that are next to me that are blocking, kind of blocking my exit to the door in case there is a vomit situation. Should we get the bucket? It's been a long time. Fetch the bucket.

At least that was like in the old studio where you had to run down two flats of stairs. Yeah, this is straight across the bar. I'm close. And if that happens, please do continue. Should we lift the seat in advance? No, I can probably do that. Oh, okay. One of the...

Jess is the one she's sitting on? Yeah. One of the vomits today did not have time to lift the seat. Oh. As in like the cover? Yeah. Did he? Yeah, anyway, sorry.

Was anyone else like around? Like, were people like eating their eggs and bacon and they? it is here. No, it was separate enough. Thank God. It was awful. It's not been a good day. Did you wait anything at the cafe after?

No, I had a bite of toast thinking just some plain toast might help. And a peppermint tea, so that would set on my tongue. That's a great combo. And I took one bite of toast and was like, excuse me, and went straight to the bathroom again. Excuse me? There's something wrong with this toast. It's making me vomit. I mean, yes, I vomited five times before I had a bite, but...

But it's your fault and I shan't be paying. If you can't stomach dry plain toast. then I think something's gone wrong. You're fucked. Allow me to do go on. Vinny Paul also disagreed with the others saying that, you know, certainly with Phil saying that he was the one who brought him to the heavier sound. This is what Vinny Paul said, because a lot of people have said.

Because in part because the timing also of them changing direction, Phil comes in, they take a little step towards this sound, and then the next album is when they're sort of seen as starting this new thing. Even though it's not miles away from the one before, but when Phil gets said this is when they do tend to get heavier. So a lot of people do correlate the two things. But anyway, this is what Vinny Paul says when people suggest that. He says, a lot of people think that Phil was the driving force behind the heaviness,

but that's not true. My brother wrote the guitar riffs. I wrote the drum parts. We were fans of that kind of music. It's pretty strong terms there. Yeah. He never said anything like, I showed them the fucking path man. Yeah, I'm on that guy's team.

You won't be when you hear more about him later. But a little sizzle there. Oh no, I've picked the wrong one again. I already don't like him because his name's Phil. He doesn't sound like a rock star, doesn't it? Yeah, Phil, the rock star. Why having a Rex Brown? Get him back in the band.

Hi, I'm Phil. What do you do, Phil? I'm a rock star. I show people the fucking path, man. Okay, Phil. Yeah, here's all the other cool rock stars in my band. Craig. Ian.

Ian on keyboards. Phil, we'll give you the login for our accounting software and maybe just let us do the bloody rock and roll, mate. Phil. Rex Brown, you'll be happy to know. He never left. It was Terry Glite. Terry.

Terry. Well, don't worry, guys. We replaced Terry with someone who sounds, at least sound. sounds like a rock star. Welcome Phil. I never really thought about that. It was Darrell, Terry. Vincent. Vincent. And Rex. Rex. Rex is the only one. Rex Rocker. Or did he go back to Brown later on?

He went back to Brown later as well. So this new direction in sound and image was locked in sort of towards the late 80s. And they were maturing as a band. And despite having their new album, Cowboys from Hell, written and demoed, they were having no luck with major label interests. According to Vinnie Paul, every major label had rejected them 23 times. It feels very specific, and I'm sure that was him being doing that exaggerating thing. What's that word where you do things? Hyperbole.

He was being hyperbolic. Hyperbolic. Hyperbolic. There we go. Mowed it. While this was going on, Darrell, and you're the hungover one. I know. While this was going on, Darrell was invited to audition with thrash metal legends Megadeth.

Really? According to Vinny, Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine actually offered him the job. Why don't we call our band Death? No, no, no, no. It's to be bigger. Bigger. Bigger. Huge death. Well, not that big. Ultra death.

Oh, that's not bad. That probably exists. That's probably better than what we are going to choose, which is, Mega death. Mega death. I like the name. Anyway. No, I do too.

It's just fun to pull them apart sometimes. The singer's name is Dave. Dave. Dave, yeah. Dave Mustane. I thought it was Dave Mustang. I was going to say, that is a fucking name.

Hey, guys, I'm Dave Mustang. Do you know anything about Dave Mustang? Is this an aside? No, please. He was an early member of Metallica. He was booted and Kirk Hammett came in to replace him from Exodus, another one of the big thrash metal band. bands who Pentah actually toured with later on.

So there's a lot of movement around different bands, but he never really forgave him, Dave, must say. Even though he formed a band. That sold really well. So like maybe the second or that would be obviously top four, but probably top two or three selling metal bands of all time. But he's never really lost that chip on his shoulder. There was a documentary about Metallica a few years ago called,

a few years ago called some kind of monster and he was featured in it and you could tell he had not moved on despite so much success and instead of being the one of the guitarists and not the front man of this band

he moved on to be the main man in this band that was so successful and he still hasn't been able to get over it's a bit sad really he's got so many classic influential albums of his own written all with his own at his own name that's crazy isn't it? It's like well

they probably, Metallica may not have been what Metallica is if you hadn't left. And Megadeth certainly wouldn't be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It feels like it's win-win. And yeah,

he just thought he was roughly done by being kicked out. He was like he drank too much. And I think he sort of accepts that he was trouble at the time, but he thinks they should have tried to look after him and bring him back in the band rather than just cutting him loose. Yeah. Yeah. He's a fascinating character.

and, yeah, a metal legend. Please don't cut me loose. I won't do this again. Do you like how he also came up with the name Megadeth? I don't know if this is 100% true or not, but I believe it's so that they would be right next to, but just in front of Metallica at CD. Oh, right.

Oh, wow. I don't know if that's true or it's coincidental, but it feels like a big coincidence if that's not the case, M-E-G rather than M-E-T. I love when people think marketing like that. Yeah. So, you know, that's why they went with mega instead of super big death. What about metal death?

Metal death. That's pretty good. That's even closer to Metallica. Yeah, that would have been touching. What about a Metallica? No, that'd be in the A section. Exactly. They're number one.

A, A, A, Metallica. Yeah, get it in nice and early. We really suck, dude. Yeah, because people in the shopping for metal obviously start at the, at the, at the, top of the CD section. With the offer, the offer of joining Megadeth. And were they popular yet?

Or was they just starting at? Yeah, no, they were already already a pretty big band. So they'd already released big influential albums by that stage. They were, it would have been a big, well-paid job. Because as well as being offered the job, it would have come with health insurance, a Nike endorsement, or Nike endorsement, and obviously a lot of money.

Wow. Megadeth had a Nike endorsement? I'm more impressed with health insurance. Yeah, that is cool. I mean, in America, that is a huge deal. That's so grown up. It is very grown up. And I think, you know, a lot of people in America don't necessarily get that.

But if you join, obviously, if you join a thrash metal, bam, that's that. That's what you're going to get. You know, when parents are like, oh, I really just hope my kids take a steady job in thrash metal or something that will pay the bills. Don't chase your dreams. Don't back. Does it have benefits? Well, actually, yes. Well, you know, Dimebag is very different because his dad was his mate.

Yeah, right. He did not have a father figure to give you that advice. Does it come with sweet times? Woo, woo, woo. So Darrell was off of this gig, guitaring. Is that right? Yep. Yeah.

Yep, guitaring for Megadeth. But he was loyal to his brother. And he said he would only join Megadeth if they also wanted to hire his brother as well. To do the drumming. Yes. It was the real drummer of Megadeth was like, what?

Yeah, there was already a drummer, so there was no position. So he said he said he wouldn't join. Also, I want to be the singer, and I want to write the songs. And I want the band to be called Pantyera. But can we still get that Nike deal? Yeah.

And the health insurance? I really need that health insurance. And the money. But this personal sacrifice by Daryl meant that the rest of the band really attacked things with a new focus. They're like,

well, he's giving up mega death and we really have to make this work. Let's give him mega life. Yeah.

In 1989, the band finally caught a bit of luck due to a hurricane a record. Isn't that amazing? I just wish that's ending the stop there.

They caught a bit of luck due to a hurricane. Well, I mean, that you could finish the sentence there. Please do. But would you like me?

In 1989, the band finally caught a bit of luck due to a hurricane. Amazing paragraph. But yeah, due to a hurricane, this big news, when a record executive named Mark Ross had to take an unplanned stopover in Dallas due to the weather. Oh.

He asked his boss if there was anything useful he could do while he was there, and his boss told him he'd been following this unsigned band named Pantara and asked Mark to go check him out and see if they were any good life. Mark's another name that's not very rock star. Yeah, he's Mark Ross. I am Mark. Rock on, Mark. Mark, we've got a couple of bongos.

You want any good on those? Ian, give him the case of the bongo draw. Oh, Mark, you got skills, mate. My favorite. Yeah, one of their first songs was the full house theme. Is that what you were you singing? Yep. Sure was.

Go on. Did you see Aunty Donna recently met Bob Sagitt from Full House? I did two podcasts with him. What a laugh that is. That's so good. I mean, they just... I bet they have a Nike deal and health insurance. Didn't Terry Jones from Monty Python go and see them on their last two?

Eric Cyddle. Eric Codle and... Dylan Moran as well. Dylan Morin, yeah. They just hang out with the bigwigs now. Oh, what legends? They're too cool for us now. Yeah, no doubt about that.

RIP. RIP. It's nice and no one, yeah. Not being cool. So Vinnie Paul had spoken to so many execs that he didn't get his hopes up when Mark called. Mark called him. I said, are you playing tonight? And Vinny Paul said, this is Vinny Paul quoting himself a year later.

Well, dude, we're not really playing a gig tonight. We've got a birthday party that we're playing for this chick at a Mexican restaurant in Fort Worth. Feel free to check it out. So cool. And the record exec's like, wow, these guys sound like, they've really hit the big time. I'm going to go check him out at this 21st at a Mexican restaurant. So they were playing in the corner of a Mexican restaurant in front of about 40 people.

So for them at that stage, even for them it was a small show. They were playing on the floor in the corner. And they were like, I hope you enjoy your burrito. This song's called Mexican Cowboy Death. That's good. Do they have a song called Mexican Cowboy Death? No. Oh, missed opportunity.

They never recorded one anyway. I'm sure there was probably... Early on. There's a demo of that somewhere. Around four songs in, the vibe was strange. And they say it was a bit of a weird vibe. Everyone was a bit drunk. Cake was flying around everywhere.

The floor was slippery due to so much cake. So they were watching their step. They were, you know, because they were worried about slipping over. About four songs in, the exact just walked out. And Vinnie Paul remembers seeing him. He goes, well, there goes that big shot again. And about four songs later, though, the exact comes back in. And after the set, Vinny asked him, he goes, what did you think, dude?

And he said, I loved it. It was incredible. So Vinny says, well, why'd you leave, dude? And he said, I went out to the car to call the boss and tell him, we're signing you guys. Oh, wow, dramatic. That is so cool, very cool. I'm really well told by Vinny Paul. He doesn't

that story. He nails everything. Yeah. He showed them the fucking path. No, that's Phil. That's Phil. Oh yeah, sorry. But Phil was performing at the Mexican restaurant.

He was, that's true. Hey guys, welcome to the Mexican restaurant. I'm Phil. Oh, boo. Boo. Fuck off, Phil. The birthday girl was her favorite band. It was a special request.

That's cute. Was it a favorite cake that was flooding the floor? Yes. Of course it was. A waste of cake. It's the dumbest question. you've ever asked. God, Dove.

And a long list of Dom questions, Dove. Dove. Dove? Imagine Dave in a band. Yeah, Dave Mustaine. Dave Grohl. Imagine. That's ridiculous.

Crazy. Now with the financial backing of a major label, Pantara went into the studio to record the album that they see as their official debut. This is the one that is actually listed on their website's discography. Right, right. Is it still the, they stick with a cowboy title? Yeah, Cowboys from Hell. It's a great title.

It's an idea that, so apparently Vinnie Paul came up with that name. You like the idea of that. Phil thought it was a bit lame. But they wrote a song around that name, and that was the opening track. Yeah, Mexican Cowboy Deaths. There's also, for people, including you two, saw me at my Melbourne Comptial Festival shows. The song I came out to on stage at the side of the show was Cowboys from Hell. Oh, my other leg.

God, damn it. I'm not a very good drummer. Thank God you didn't play drums. Gosh. You have no legs left. I'm a really good brother, but a terrible drummer. Sure. We'll have to check with your sister on that one, to be honest.

Sorry, I was being Vinnie. Right. He's a great, great brother. Terrible drummer. Terrible. He hurt? So many injuries. Yeah.

Always, buddy, banging away on them legs. After the album was released on July the 24th, 1990, they hit the road performing around 300 shows on the first run of their tour, which is, you know, pretty hectic in a van, building up a following with word of mouth, and around this time they toured supporting Exodus and suicidal tendencies in America and Judas Priest in Europe. I think their manager set up the,

the tour with suicidal tendencies. And Judas Priest, though, they were doing a show in a town in American. Rob Halford from Priest, the same, frontman, was there. And they go, you got to come up and play with us. And they go, and he goes, do you know any priest songs? And they're like, fucker, do we know any priest songs? And then they just went up and played a bunch of priest songs.

He did almost the whole set with him. That's cool. Just because he was at their gig. Yeah. And then he ended up taking him on tour in Europe. Apparently they found it really tough in Europe because no one knew them over there. And, you know, metal crowds can be pretty rough to support acts when they don't know them and stuff. I remember seeing Metallica a few years back.

And the support band was this cool rock band from New Zealand called The Datsons. Don't you know them at all? Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a good name. And they, and the crowd, they were just, the crowd at the front were just booing them. Oh, no, towards the back. It was at the Maya Music Bowl, and they were just booing fingers up and near the whole time. It's like, why?

So, yeah, this is real tough. And the frontman from the Datsons, I loved it because he, there's a lot of the abuse was coming up from up on the hill. And he kept going, sorry, guys, I can't hear you from the cheap seats. It was a real fun little, little gentle ribbing back. Love that. Love that. Exodus is great.

That's the band I was talking about. before who they've had so many line-up changes. I saw them about 10 years ago and they were still real good. But suicidal tendencies is one of my favorite bands, I reckon. They've, like, they rode out so many different, they kind of followed my taste a bit. They were that Californian punk thrash into the heaviest staff, and they've gone down all these different paths.

What a journey they've been on. What a journey. I wear a suicidal tendencies hoodie sometimes, and I forget that those words mean other things. I'll write the people that might not know the band I'll be like I wear it in a job interview or something and people are like you okay mate Why are you wearing a hoodie to a job interview?

I'm a fucking badass That was them man They didn't look at the words They looked at the hood They was like really Yeah it was probably a bad example Hey it's summer Take it off

The interview was for being The company badass Oh yeah You got the job Yeah thank you who's ready to get a warm head at any moment. Yeah, smart. That's a very niche role, but I bloody grabbed it with both hands.

Show them the fucking path. I'm going to, you keep going. I'm just going to step out real quick. Why? No reason. While you're gone, I'll just tell Dave a funny little anecdote that I have here. It doesn't really fit in anywhere. Perfect. Go for it.

She is leaving the studio. No, I don't know. She played it so cool. She took her headbands off. I thought she was just getting some air for her ears. Yeah. You know when your ears get real hot? Oh, yeah.

Dave, you want to tell you a little anecdote? A little anecdote? From the road? From the road? Your days on the road with X-N-A-Roeuvre. Well, Pantera's days on the road. Sorry, sorry, man. Forget that you're not in the road.

No, I'm not in the road. So the first time they went to Canada, they got to the border, and Darrell was driving. And Phil tells this story. He says, the border control guy asked him, nationality and Darrell replied I guess regular and they apparently they were like well that

someone doesn't call that up here so they they made them drive to the side and they did a full search of the thing. They searched the car because he said regular they found traces of cocaine and weed oh this guy is off his chops so we've got to search the car

regular but yeah apparently there was only traces so they ended up they couldn't charge them so they were allowed to go through. In Moscow, I don't know if you've heard of this. There used to be a big festival circuit called the Monsters of Rock, big outdoor festivals. Right, so across Europe, is it?

Yeah, across Europe. I think it was through America as well. But this one in particular, they didn't play that many of them, but they played this one that I've seen footage of so many times. I never really knew what it was about. I always thought it was this, I'd heard it was this, huge, it was like bringing rock music to the Soviet Union. But I think I've read that there were gigs prior to this.

It was the first big outdoor rock concert, yeah. With multiple acts? Multiple acts, including Pantera. But at that stage, they'd only release Cowboys from Hell. You know, it was an official big release. But they were supporting Metallica and ACDC. Whoa. That is amazing.

And there's, I read so many varied reports of it. some from the time and some from I'm looking back. Yeah, people are like, it was so good now. But the numbers, I've seen footage and it looks like you could tell me any number and I believe you. But I've seen some say it's around 150,000 from reports at the time. I've also seen reports saying 1.5 million. What? How do you vary a number that much?

The people on the door just lost control of the little clicky thing for the getting people. Hang on. Was that 10,000? Was that 100,000? Man, it's gone back to the start. Is that a... This only goes up to 1,000. Oh, how many times do I hit 1,000?

Was it 1,000? Or was it only 100? Oh, well, just write down between 150 and 1.5 million. The footage is great. There's just so many people, such a cool thing. And it was filmed with massive film crew. And I always thought it was this cool independent sort of thing, but obviously it wouldn't have been. It must have been so much effort to put it on.

And it was backed by, I think, Time Warner or something like that. And they filmed and released a documentary. about it, like a feature length doco about it. Just about the whole gig. Yeah, and there were the footage of the security, like the Soviet security with big truncheons and just like hitting, it was like... Stay back.

A wild show. And how they got onto that at such an early stage is pretty incredible. And are they getting a good reception or are they getting flipped off? No, I think, yeah, though, I think at that point, um, Russians were like, how cool is this that? that were able to... This music that they must have been recently listening to kind of in private. Yeah, right.

It's probably, yeah, previously contraband and now they're doing a huge gig. That's cool. Yeah, so that's pretty great. And they're friends with both Metallica and Megadeth despite this rivalry. Well, yeah, then there's sort of rivalries. There's sort of egos and rivalries in each direction. And I think they sort of get on in different ways. hear different people telling different stories it feels like a very bitchy sort of scene there's a lot of

something that like presents itself is so tough yeah it's often a lot of hurt feelings and egos being bruised and stuff like that and we came up with this you've ripped us off and um yeah it's pretty fascinating it'd be make for a great um it would ruin all the mythos of it but uh having like a reality tv show about these guys oh yeah like which is basically what some kind of Monster was for Metallica. They took no control over the cut or anything, I think, Metallica, and I really showed them to be not really connected to reality that much and kind of making really weird, lame decisions.

And they had this guy, this therapist come in wearing like real classically sort of dad's sweaters. And he was trying to heal them, you know, bring him back together inside Metallica. And then he was getting so comfortable because it was there with him every day. that would show him he would be there at recording sessions sort of like bopping along. And then there was this one scene where he's written a few words on a thing and he's given it across suggested lyrics. And he's their therapist.

He's not even a music guy at all. You should say he's like he's exactly what you'd picture like a middle age therapist wearing dad sweaters and glasses and glasses and just so funny. And I think they fired him soon after. He was getting a bit too comfortable. I love that. I love that. Welcome back to your head.

Thank you. How was it? Fine. You feeling all right? Sure. Feeling better now. Oh, no. I'm sorry to laugh there, but that was a good argue, quite insensitive.

Nah, it's fine. I didn't throw up. I'm okay. You didn't? No. I want to, but I didn't. You look good. Yeah, I feel great.

Yeah. Thanks, fine. Basically, we've just had a little chat about Metallica. Great. I can't wait to listen back. So back to Pantera. and commercially, they went from strength to strength from here, from their early 90s, Cowboys from Hell release.

Their follow-up album was 1992's Vulgar Display of Power, which is the album that my friend Grasby played me at that party. Oh, right, right. And this album is seen by many to be their masterpiece. Though a lot of the albums through the 90s are seen as being great in different ways. And some that aren't seen as great. I reckon it's bloody great. But anyway, I think all, I love every album they released.

from Cowboys Hell onwards. Some say there was a bit of a drop-off at the end, but I think it was anyway. It doesn't matter. I'll get to that. So Vulgar displays, seen as being their masterpiece, it was their heaviest album to date, and it included the iconic metal track Walk.

I don't know that song? Oh, yeah, it's got that riff, doesn't it? Yeah. Has it a go. Yeah. It's probably the only song of those I really recognize. Yeah. If you look on Spotify,

that it would be the one with the most plays. It's sort of the ones that would be covered. If you go to a metal show and someone wants to pay tribute to probably Vinnie Paul at current metal shows, I bet it's been played around the world. Yeah. Because every metal band would know how to play it pretty much. Was it like the opening track? Is that how the album's done?

No, the opening track is Mouth for War. It's the third track on there. And this love, I've just had a look here. Track 5. So I've made a buddy fooling myself there. Fucking Hostile's number four. Is it called fucking hostile? No, it's called fucking hostile.

Oh, right. I thought you were just being pissed off. I thought you were editorializing there. It's fucking, fucking hostile, number four. Fucking hostile. Yeah, so it went super well, sold really well, and this was them jumping up again from the last one. They also, little things like last little bits of that 80s style

that they had remaining on Cowboys from Hell, There's a few bits, you know that operatic sort of high-pitched? I don't know what the musical term for that is. You know that metal style? Oh, yeah, they're really high-pitched. Yeah, like that priest sort of style. There was still a few moments of that. A bit of deep purple style.

A few moments of that on Cowboys from Hell, but that was all gone by Vulgar Display. And the album eventually went on to become two times platinum in the US and platinum in Australia, while also charting in countries like Finland, Austria and Germany, pretty high up in their charts as well. That's crazy. Do you know, would you be familiar with the cover art of that album?

It's kind of iconic. I can show it to you. No, that's great. So it's a man being hit in the face with a fist. Yes. Like mid-punch. I didn't realize this. I'd heard the story about it, how it was done.

And I realized that there's a bit of, controversy of how true that all is. So this is the story behind the art. The story I knew, which I've heard told by band members and stuff, was that the record label paid a man $10 per punch until they got the right shot. And supposedly it took him about 30 or so punches to get it. So he got paid 300 or so bucks. To be punched or to punch?

To be punched. Oh, God. Yeah, which sounded like a wild story. But I'm like, all right, it's the 90s, I guess. I don't know what rules were like back then. But a record label. Yeah. Yeah.

But I read recently that was all bullshit. And yeah, but I've heard the band repeat that story. So I don't know if they believe it or if they just enjoyed the legend of it. Yeah, it's a good legend. What a good legend. What a legend. Hey, we paid this idiot 300 bucks to punch him in the face 30 times. And the best part is we got the photo on the first go.

What a fuck we're. Ha ha ha ha. We're Bantaera. It means pantherans. Spanish. Yeah, they come off well. But I mean, this is the label, right? They weren't doing this themselves.

Sure, sure. It just makes the label feel like this major label at Co? I don't know. I just didn't sound right. But, yeah, apparently it is bullshit. And someone tracked down the photographer, Bruce G-U-I-C-E. Yes. G-U-I-C-E.

G-E-N-A-B-G-E-H. Brad Gooch. He debunked it saying it was a very rehearsed setup with the fifth movie and pushing the model's face hard to achieve the look, but not at all punched. He used a bunch of tricks, including using strobe lighting, a fan to blow his hair, and playing with shutter speed and angles, camera angles, to get the shot right. Whatever the truth is, it's bloody iconic art work. I kind of believe the photographer, though, in this case.

Interesting. He may have been there. Although, I mean, at the same time, him going, yeah, that's right, I've photographed a man being beaten. It doesn't make him sound all that good either. I don't think you can take 30 punches to the face. No. It feels like you'd be broken quickly. 30.

Yeah, that doesn't sound right. You kill someone. But also you'd be like, I mean, if I'm going to get punched in the face once for 10 bucks, I'd prefer to walk away with 300. Sure. And it's the 90s. And it's the 90s. That goes a long way.

It goes a long way. I mean, you'd get punched. It would cost you probably 30, 40 bucks a punch these days. Oh, easily. Don't you reckon? Yeah. Carry the two. After the success of...

After the success of Volga Display, the pressure was on with the follow-up album. According to bass player, Rex Brown, Rex Rocker, the record company was pushing for something like Metallica's black album. We were like, no, that's not going to happen. Instead, they once again made their heaviest album yet.

And according to Phil, our top priority with Fabriam, on driven was to make a balls out heavy metal record with no compromising. This is also the album where Darrell was first billed as Dimebag Darrell, which is the moniker he's still known as to this day. He was diamond. Diamond. So it's not a huge change, but dime bag means it's some sort of drug term.

Yeah. I think it's a certain amount of marijuana. And you got that for a dime, I guess. Yeah. That must have been a long time ago. And a dime is what, 20 cents? Fuck, I mean, these are all very easily googled things. Ask Jess something about spewing and I'll look up what a dime is.

No, don't. I'm finding it hard to like turn my head to look at you. It's making me really dizzy. Oh, God. What happens when you look at me? Because you're straight ahead for me, so that's okay. Yeah. So Matt, I'm not ignoring you. I'm just trying not to throw up. Go towards the light. No.

Me. No. Yeah, there's a dime bag and nickel bag is another. Let me get a nickel bag. A dime is 10 cents. 10 cents in the US of A. And a dime bag, according to dictionary.com, is a specified amount of an illegal drug,

packaged and sold for a fixed price. So according to that, I guess it doesn't necessarily mean it was worth a dime. That does sound cheap. Maybe it started out. That would make sense. I'd believe that. A long time ago. One blade of grass, please.

That's how they do it, right? It's blades of grass. I understand. And drugs. I get drugs, go. 420 blazes. Yeah, blaze that one blade of grass. All right.

So the no compromising attitude that Phil was talking about on the album didn't quite extend to the artwork. According to Vinnie Paul, the original artwork idea was metal up your ass. And the artwork depicted someone literally copping metal up their ass. in the form of a big drill bit. So it feels like it's sort of somehow, I mean, this is a few years on from high school now. Now they're in their mid-20s. Maybe even moving towards their late 20s.

Still. Still funny. I will not compromise. We will not compromise on this. But even though the label agreed initially, they came back three days later and said, we can't get this into Walmart target and retail, and it's going to kill us.

So they compromised. We found a guy and said, we'll give you $10 for each drill we put up your ass and it took 30 drills but we got the shot we got the shot but Walmart don't like it so we've had to take the money off the guy

we told him we don't use any of it you don't get paid for the drill but he was confident we use it because it's beautiful but he's got a beautiful part Target and Walmart not a friend they don't like drills yeah thought about a metal ruler

yeah but bunnings they were willing to take the stock instead and maybe an American equivalent of bunnings. Some sort of hardware store. Yeah, something Tim Allen was associated with. Sorry, Jess. Tim Allen, I assume that sound meant that you weren't quite sure of what I was saying.

Me needing to throw up. It was funny timing because I was talking about this guy, Tim Allen, right? He was huge. It was huge. He was a real tall man. Oh. No, it was more like, oh? I can't.

Jessica can't make her noise, she might vomit. I might vomit. Oh. Not good. Sorry, Bob. I know, I'm sorry. Everyone's, we're all sorry.

I'm sorry, you're feeling that way. I know it's the fucking worst. It's not good. Look, we're beyond halfway. We're far beyond halfway. This album's called Far Beyond Driven. So a little plan word's there. Nice.

So they said we wouldn't be able to get into the big retailers. We need to compromise. And they did. They compromised. The artwork instead depicts a drill going to someone's head. Better. All right, mate, we've shoved 30 jewels up your ass. Got some bad news.

It's going to have to be your head. We're going to have to drill into your head. 30 bucks apart. 30 bucks. It's super stylized. I think it's an artist's impression of it, I'm pretty sure. It's a blue cover and the drill's going straight into the forehead. But it's sort of like a, it's a pretty cool looking cover, but yeah, it is.

And Walmart were cool with that? Yeah, that's the interesting thing. I wonder how they would feel about it now. But despite all this, the album was released and debuted at number one on the mainstream American charts. That's awesome. Number one, first ever extreme metal album to get to number one. That's huge. I think arguably still the heaviest album ever.

to make it to number one. I don't know if that's even super disputed. It also made number one in Australia, debuted number one in Australia as well. I think Australia is obviously per capita is one of their biggest sort of support bases. And it made to number two in New Zealand. Wow.

It was a monster hit and is arguably still, the heaviest album ever to chart in Australia and America. I can't. Surely not chart, but number one. Sorry, number one. Yeah, can you think of anything else to get that high? Like it seems bizarre to have an album that heavy up that high. Right.

Well, all of Metallicas go to number one, but they are heavier than Metallicas. They are. Yeah, this album certainly is. They did get pretty heavy at times, Metallica, but yeah, never as heavy as this one. Not that there's way heavier music than this album, but... Yeah, to be number one on the legit chart, not even the rock chart. Yes. Yes.

It was also an interesting time for metal because it can't... I kind of was, by this stage, Metallica, even, they'd sort of basically drop metal. They were doing, playing with sort of alternative rock stuff. Is this when they cut their hair off and everyone freaked out? Yeah, load and reload years. Some people said that they would boycott the band because they cut their hair off. Okay, that makes sense. Metal people are weird.

Yeah. They're just intense. I know. They like it a certain way and if you don't do it, they'd flip the finger off and boo you. Yeah, it's interesting. But it was sort of grunge was the big thing at the time. Sure, of course, yeah. Which was kind of a big backlash against that 80s hair metal scene where it was all Marnie and, you know, California sort of bright colors and that sort of stuff.

So they ended up being like if you saw what they wore in those days, it was very grungy-looking aesthetic, Pantera sort of had. The album also garnered the band's first Grammy Award nomination for Best Metal. performance for the song I'm Broken. That's cool. And they lost it to Soundgarten for their song Spoon Man, which is a great song. Spoon Man. It's a cool song, but it's not a metal song. No, I think often in that category, it is just rock bands.

Yeah, it's a confusing category, I think. But it's also, like we talked about way back, do we do an Academy Award? Yeah. Yeah, so in that, do we talk about Grammar? It's a similar sort of idea. The Academy Award episode, you talked about how it's like it's mainly middle-aged to old white men. So if it's similar for the Grammys, which I'm not sure, but I'm kind of assuming it is,

then often it does seem to favor older bands. And bands get best album awards when it was probably really being awarded for their album from a few years ago. Yeah, from their, it's like, well, you two are a great band. They've had a lot of success. So let's give them the Grammy for better. Yeah, because we know them, you know. There's some sort of a lag going on or something.

It's like Beck won for Best Album. Yeah, Beck one of these albums. So many years after people stopped caring about Beck. I think it's a really nice album, but it was kind of like very similar to C-Change from 10 years earlier. And that was his big one, yeah. C-change and like he had this whole period of quite influential albums, but they didn't win anything.

It was, yeah. But I think that C-Change was nominated, though. Or was it right? Well, there you go. Um, they were nominated three more times of that same award, but they never took it out. Always losing to Soundgarden. Spoon Man won four years in a row. Amazing.

Spoon Man re-release. They were like that, looking through the list, there were a lot of songs that were out from different years. Sometimes there's a live version of a song from years before. Yeah, it seems like a weird category. Um, cracks were starting to appear in the band. Um, so they really reached the peak. And this is where things started.

slowly fall apart. Phil started to become more distance, distant from the band. As he started medicating, self-medicating for chronic back pain, he was abusing drugs like heroin. Told you he was a bad drummer. He hit himself in the back.

That's hard to do. Phil's the singer. I'm not going to tell you again. Well, they aren't the same fucking boring name. Vinnie Paul and Phil. Good luck, mate. The only one I can remember. Good luck telling that to a jury.

Only one I can remember is Rex Brown. Rex Brown. Yeah, I haven't, I don't, it's fine. Is he the best player? He's the best player? He's the best player. He's the best player. He sounds reliable.

He's sort of the, the two major warring parties kind of in the band of the brothers who get along great, you know, some have said that they were never seen to argue or anything with each other. And Phil on the other side, that was sort of the big two parts. Rex was kind of caught in the middle a little bit. Right. So, so, okay, so it's Phil, who. who's got a bad back and he's on heroin.

Yes. The first time the rest of the band were aware of this, apparently was on July 13th, 1996, when Phil OD'd and apparently his heart stopped beating for about five minutes. Oh, that's too many minutes. Yeah. He was saved by paramedics

and he woke up in hospital the next day. Yeah, it really does seem to have affected him. He looks different. what before and after that incident I don't know about that incident but like in recent years obviously people look different but his face seems different

like it feels like drugs have affected him badly and this is my very medical opinion not based on you know obviously because I forget to say it but my full name is Matt Stewart MD you're humble about it

yeah well the MD stands a mega dick mega dickhead according to Vinnie Paul that's when the band and him started separating and he started demanding his own tour bus we'd see him before the show and then he'd be gone and you never knew which fill you were going to get

you might get the pit bull that we all knew and loved or you might get some dude who was completely whacked out on heroin the pit bull was the good him that's not a good sign where's the pit bull? We want the pit bull Mr Worldwide Is that?

Yeah. I'm just going to go to the bathroom again. Okay, great. I'm just going to breeze through the next couple of albums. Right. Okay, great. Jess is popping out briefly. I can't help take this personally.

I know. Dave, do you think she hates Bantaura that much? I think she just hates music. Yeah. Life. Right. I haven't even gone into why Phil's a bit of a fuckhead yet. Well, I mean, it sounds like you're about to, he's showing himself to be a fuckhead.

Yeah. he's a pit bull on his good days but i think he would still because i i think with bands you know the the vocalist the lyricists they are sort of the direct line into the to the fans so i think fans will usually instinctively connect most with the singer so i think that that probably has happened a lot with them as well um but in this case it's kind of it's got it's a bit of like a van helen so they'll big influence of van halen or van halen or van halen were big influence of them and it's a similar sort of idea, I guess. Like, there was the David Lee Roth was the front man and that.

But the heart and soul of the band of Van Halen's probably Eddie Van Halen, right, yeah. And his brother on drums. So do you feel that's the same way with Pantera, people always think of it as the brother's band? Well, I don't think so. I think it probably is divided and things that have happened in recent times. But I reckon back then maybe, I think people do think, you know, Phil, he's the one at the front. Right, but that would probably piss the brothers off because they started it all and it's

like their thing. There'd be an element of that, I suppose. And also him and people go and he was the one who changed the direction of the band and stuff. Yeah, right. That obviously annoyed me a little bit. No. But I think it sounds like that isn't really what brought up tensions.

What brought up tensions was that Phil would go away. He'd sort of, he was starting to abuse drugs and was distance from him. At least this is how they tell it from his. from his side he says you know they they didn't communicate with him very well he was always there right if they could just call him and talk to him but um yeah i don't know if he's asking for a different tour bus and those sort of things so can he's still putting on a good show like he's being professional once the gig starts i'm gonna talk about it soon um including um a show that i was at um but i um i think it definitely was a fact and that's what um viny was talking about

there. They didn't know which one they were going to get. That was on stage as well. Oh, right. So some shows, he'd kill it. He was the pit bull. I think that's what he means. He'd be, you know, he'd be on stage and he'd be right in it. And then other days he'd just be he'd be sort of whacked out. You know, and that's in Vinnie Paul's words.

Yeah, and he is quite a poet. He is. Vinny Paul. Rest in peace. I've been watching a lot of Vinny Paul videos lately. He's a very likable character and in an interview or something like that. Bloody hell So the band forged on Despite these troubles were coming up

They kept working together And they released The Great Southern Trendkill in 1996 Which is probably my favourite album of theirs, I reckon And then reinventing the steel In 2000 Both albums charted Number 2 in Australia and number four in America

So they're still selling Yeah this is near OS here it is actually sell very well. Exactly. So those, yeah, charting high actually means something

still working. So number four then would sell more than number one now. Yes. Yeah, I reckon that would definitely be true.

Despite this, the band was starting to fall apart. Phil was spending more and more time away with his other bands, which he'd formed like through the years.

Okay. He wasn't forming all now. Down and Super Giant Ritual are probably the two biggest ones, Down in particular. I don't know if you know much about them.

None of them have gone on to be as big as Pantera, but they, they have, you know, big bands. I saw Down supporting Ronnie James Dio. Do you know Dio? Yeah, what's his big band? He came in after Ozzy. Yeah, right, the Black Sabbath.

Black Sabbath, yeah. So I saw a Black, Dio fronted Black Sabbath and Down supported them. It must have been 10 years ago or something as well. Yeah, back when I was a bloody young buck going out. Is he there too? Dio is, yeah. He must, yeah, he must start a couple of years. years ago now. He's like he's very revered in the metal world. Yeah, cool. Which is interesting because it

doesn't always go that way when a, if you're replacing a legend, that's hard. Yeah, yeah, that is cool that he gets to credit anyway. It doesn't often happen where it comes off and, yeah, you're still really loved. I think it happened, you know, obviously it happened with ACDC. Pretty famously, that went pretty well. Yeah, they've gone on to, well the next album was the biggest selling band album of all time. Yes. Yeah, that's right, back in black. Yeah. And yeah, I like when that happens. People, like, people are able to move on. I think that, it's easier for that to happen with, if the singer dies, maybe,

because they're like, there's no sort of bitterness that you shouldn't have forced them out of the band. Yeah, no one's blaming anyone. Yeah. Whereas I think Van Halen, Sammy Hagar, found it a bit harder maybe coming in after David Lee Roth. Although Sammy Hager had some massive hits, but people still would say that his era wasn't so good. So we're somehow got on to Van Halen now. Jess is back? Very professional.

How did it go? Oh, definitely spewed that time. You did? Oh, yeah. Well, I'm so glad you can confirm it. Yes. I hadn't thought about this, but what I'm nearly, what I'm about to talk about is so relevant to just spewing, or at least spewing. Is it potentially triggering for someone who's going to vomit?

No, you know, after you spew and you've got a good half hour? Yeah. You feel good. Yeah. You feel a million bucks for like half an hour. It was almost like whatever that was was the sole problem was in that. And every time you're like, I'm done now. But then it starts building again.

I'm done now. Thank you. That'll be old now. Thank you. We've got a really good half hour and I'm feeling fine. I am so sorry to you, to the listener. Would you believe this is probably, I reckon this would be the most amount of time of space.

been on a report since, I don't know, for a long time, just because I've been really enjoying it. Of course. But I've spent, I would have spent like almost a full-time, you know, nine to five week. Yeah. Oh, my God. This could be the best podcast report ever on Pantera. And it's great. But no, I love that you've been coming in and out of it.

Normally, I think normally we would probably go, let's pause. now, but for some reason we're just like, just come in and out. She's... Yeah, I think that's for the best. But Mascone's into so much detail that, like, you've only missed a little bit. So it's all good.

Yeah. I have been going off script. We talked about Ben Halen. It's not all good. I'm not all good. We're just talking about how they've released a couple more albums after their big number one album in 96 and 2000. And they were still selling really well,

but the band are fracturing quite a bit now. And Phil's got a couple of his own bands on the side. Yeah, he's, So he's off a fair bit, and he actually even recorded the vocals from another state. Oh, wow. So they're really... Does he write, like, his lyrics, but does he write, like, the melody and stuff? Or, like, do they just send him the guitar and he just makes it up?

I think it depends. I think it sounds like, for the most part, the songs come out of the dime bag's riffs, guitar parts. But sometimes some of their big songs came out of the drum, something Vinnie Paul put together on drums, and then they'd bass. Yeah, some of their songs, like, have really iconic drum parts. Yeah, that's cool.

Primal concrete sledge and 13 steps and stuff. And that, so the songs get built about around the drums. Primal, concrete, sledge. Yes. That is like, all right, well, I'll think of a tough word. Yeah. Primal, concrete, sledge. I feel like, of the three of us, Matt would come up with sledge.

Because it would be like, d'age. Sledge. Sledge. Sledge. Really? Do you want to go with that? Like, yeah. We get a whiteboard out.

And someone's going, okay. Yeah, sure, Matt, I guess you're involved. So we'll... What else? Yeah. Well, let's park Sledge for now. So, yeah, so they're splintering, but they're still recording. They're still touring, but he's off more and more.

He's moving away and... I'd love for us to do that, to be honest. Podcasts in different states. Yeah. Wow. Like a lot of Australian breakfast radio teams do. Yes. Yeah, they'll... How do they do it without the eye contact, I wonder?

Yeah, I find that card. Or is it monitors? Yeah. They can see each other. It's still kind of hard to like, you know, it's subtle nonverbal communication is impossible. Yeah. I mean, I just exactly talked over you and we're in the same room there. So imagine if you weren't in the same room.

You could see and hear me speaking. Yeah. Didn't hear a word. Yeah. That's why for like phone or interviews can be so hard when you're like, you're jumping on top of each other. Especially if people you don't, you're not used to talking to. Well, my Triple J segment. that I do with Jen and Lewis or Veronica and Lewis is either, yeah, it's always, I'm in a

TARDIS by myself or a studio alone and they're in Sydney. And so it's a lot of, ha, ha, ah. And you, you can't see that. Yeah. Ha, ha. Ha. Oh. Oh.

Or a lot of not sure if you're supposed to talk here. So there's a couple of awkward pauses and I'm like, nah, my turn. Ah. Do you say that? Da, my turn. My turn now. Jess speak. Yeah, we've got a system we've figured out.

A few verbal cues like, GES speak. Just speak now. The listeners don't even notice. No, they wouldn't even pick it out. I don't get the radio talking of like, just speak. Yeah, they just don't hear it. They just don't know. It's like, oh, they just have such great chemistry.

It's like a dog whistling. Yep, that's what it's like. Just doing radio is like watching a dog whistle. Imagine a dog trying to whistle. No one to know no one can hear it apart from dog. So when they were touring these albums They also tour in different states Yeah, they tour separately

The guitarist will be here next week Just imagine this over that Yes Yeah, you've got to piece it together in your mind All right And your mind's still just doing the drum Oh, he nailed the vocals of this bit last week But, yeah, so they, in some ways, they were playing in different spaces.

Yeah. Because Phil, like they said, they didn't know if they were getting the pit bull or they were getting the whacked out. The Chihuahua. The Chihuahua, yeah. With Phil being off his chops, one of infamous live show was on May the 17th, 2001 at Melbourne's Festival Hall. Oh. I was there. No way.

And they took, they were so delayed getting on stage. I remember, so we had, it's like such a funny memory for me because we were drinking bourbon and Coke cans beforehand. It was like such teen, weird teen, cliched behavior. Probably woodstocks, yeah. Oh, God. Is anyone else bio? They were still around 40 years later when Dave and I were young.

Yeah. 40 years? Yeah. Is that the only age difference we have? 40 years after. Drinking wise, yes. 40 years after the woodstock that you were at. Yes.

The woodstocks I drank were, you know, made at the festival. They were the original. Hendricks canned this drink. And I had my, while we were drinking those before the show, one of my friends shaved lines into my beard. So I looked at which Vinnie Paul sort of had this iconic beard. Right until he died, there's like shaved lines into his beard. So I got them shaved in.

Please tell me you have a photo. When he passed away, I was trying to find it. It's got to be somewhere. And if you don't. Pre-Internet. Or not pre-internet, but pre-Facebook. So there's not an easy record. If you don't, we will demand you to reenact it.

I was genuinely considering it. I think I'd do it. I think I'll, I think maybe I'll do it again now. I've definitely got a better beard now than I did when I was a teenager. Interesting. Yep. I can't believe you had a beard as a teenager. That is so infuriating.

I can't get a beard now. I can't. I can't. I can't. I know, mate. Yeah, Jess, you feel my pain. Yeah, I can't get a beard. I'm trying.

So we were drinking, we were drinking these cans. We'd had quite a bit to drink. And it was, smoking was legal in doors back then. Unbelievable. So it was in 2001. And the place was so smoky. And the band, they were just, I felt, I don't know how long exactly, but it felt like so long. delayed for them to be on stage after the support acts finished.

Do they have cool supports? Do you remember them? The support acts were cool. It was a cool Melbourne metal band. I'd seen a bunch of times around. Taxi ride. Taxi ride. That's it.

Get sad, everybody. We're on our way, on our way. I imagine if they played that Metallica gig. Well, they were flipping a rock band like the Datson's off. Too late, everybody. Imagine the reaction. It would have been amazing. I loved that song.

It was a great song. Great song. Beautiful harmonies. Yes. I love harmonies. And they love those at metal shows. They love harmonies. I can't put my finger on. I love that at the same time. That was beautiful. See, I'm good now. You've got, yeah. This half an hour is so good.

Yeah, enjoy it. It's the golden half hour. I'm going to crash again. See how I've also turned my body so I'm now facing you. Yeah, you can look at me. You can stomach my face now. I don't have to move my head, which was making me real dizzy. Oh, boy. I don't know how I'm going to get home. Anyway, let's go on with the report.

But all those symptoms you were feeling I was feeling as the time went on. So we're all standing in the middle of Festival Hall. Also, the venue where the Beatles played when they came to Melbourne a few decades earlier. Imagine that. Imagine that, having seen the Beatles. Ah. It just blows my mind. Incredible.

That would be amazing. Apparently it was hard to hear, hard to hear, hard to concentrate. because which would have been so frustrating if you were there to hear the band, which I imagine some people would have been. Yeah, I would hope. It's such a weird idea. Sound engineer can't hear anything. It's trying to turn everything up to fall.

At least it's even that way, you know. Everything louder than everything else. So I'm standing in the middle of the crowd and it's so smoky and foggy. I'd had a few of these cans and I was starting to feel sick. sick because I was just standing there waiting, sort of just starting to sway. And I felt like 45 minutes or an hour, they were late. I'm like, I got to go spew. So I went to the bathroom and in there you could not see from the door to the other wall.

It was just full of smoke. Oh my God. Some sort of illegal smoke, if you know what I mean. Fireworks? Fireworks. No one was setting up fireworks into the john. Which has made me feel dizzy. And I'm so I go down and I'm spewing into an.

of these toilets and then I hear the so as I come on stage I'm spewing in the toilet which is a bit unfortunate. I go out anyway they open with Hellbound which was the opening track of their latest album at the time and it was sick. It was a good show and I was being young I didn't have high standards for what a good show

would be but I did remember a few things throughout the show like I just vividly remember Dimebag hugging his guitar and just leaning back on his amp while Phil just talks and talks off his dial. Like in between songs. In between songs, just really long, long, hard to follow diatribes. Oh, like he's preaching.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He had things to say. Just off his dial. And if that sucks because they, rock stars get such a free ride. Like, you make anything vaguely funny. Yeah. The crowd just goes, I love these people.

Easy audience. So such an easy crowd. So if he's losing them. Yeah. He must be speaking some real shoes. It was just like, yeah. It just, it was strange. But obviously, I didn't realize at the time, but he was affected by different things.

He said later, he was super drunk. He said it was the drunkest. It was the drunkest I've been in two years. And later on, shit happened that I don't even remember as I blacked out. So he was off his dial. But that did become, like, that was talked about a lot of that show. It was one of the low points. of the band and the relationship.

Afterwards, the band were furious at him. Like, what the fuck are you doing? You got to clean up your act and that sort of stuff. And I've spoke to people who were at the next night in Adelaide. Apparently, he was apologising to the crowd for the night before. So, and really so obviously. That's how he was so drunk. He thought he was still in Melbourne.

And apparently knocked it out of the park. The next show was amazing, which is, you know, unfortunate for me. This is a quote who was talking to a journalist soon after he said, The whole band was fucking furious And I realized what I had to do So I cleaned my shit up And the next night we went out and destroyed I apologize to the fans for that show

But they will see us again And Melbourne did not see them again That was the last show they ever played In Melbourne unfortunately Oh at least you got to see your heroes Yeah so that was cool I feel very lucky Because I got into them a year earlier

So I was so lucky It was the timing Yeah Similar thing happened to me with Tism as well I got into them in their last four or so years. And you saw him? Yeah, I saw him like,

I think I saw him about half a dozen times. That's really cool. So, yeah, very lucky in both those cases. The Beatles, not so much. Not so much. Damn it. I was, you know, I was bloody on, I was in a big heroin,

you know, the 60s, mate. If you remember them, you weren't on heroin. You were in a big hero. You were in a big heroine. I was in a big heroin. Sorry to talk lingo with you guys. Me and Ringo used to talk such lingo. of big heroin.

I'm not afraid of big heroin. So do you, I mean, you probably already don't love Phil as a guy. And there would be, there'd be people who could probably do a report who would tell the story from the other side. It's almost like people would pick one side or the other. And here's that report. No, here's some stuff that's going to make you dislike him even more. So as well as the internal tension of the bands, other controversies from these years include

the band's use of the Confederate flag, both in album art and in stage art. Okay, that's not really great. Yeah, so it's now synonymous with racism, obviously, and I'm no expert on this at all. I've just pulled this out of it and interview, and this is Rex Rocker replying to that. I think he talks about it in a pretty level-headed way,

he says, the Confederate flag is on the back cover of the Great Southern Trenkill. That was the southern part of it. there were still states that had that on their flags at that stage. Nowadays, it's forbidden to use it. It's not so politically correct. But it had nothing to do with racism. None of us were like that.

It was just a tie-in to the artwork on the back cover. Even back then, I said, this is not the way to go. Leonard Skinner used one for years and still do. Now people confuse it with racism and hatred. That's not what this band is about at all. Quite the opposite. But it's the only thing I would say in the PC days now. that I have any regrets about

about those all days. That's a pretty good explanation. Not yet. It feels pretty level and he's just like, obviously it wouldn't do it now and it was even... Sure, sure.

But it was a different time which is always a bit of a soft excuse but also, you know, times... Sadly, valid in some ways. Sometimes, you know, it is. But this is a feel. It's like, oh, it made me feel...

So Rex made a good explanation, but Phil... Well, Phil sort of... Been on the, he's, he's fucking, he just seems like a weird unit, Phil. And then he'll do things and you're like, what the fuck? And it's like, are you giving us a little insight in yourself? Because this is like no, no one would say this. Well, no one in there, you know, anyway.

So he's come up of accusations of racism outside of the flag in January 2016. So very recently. And so almost stood before an audience in Hollywood at a band. benefit concert and as he finished his set, he stretched out his right arm in a Nazi salute and bellowed white power at the crowd. Okay, well, you can't really explain that one. Yeah, I don't know how you can get away with that one. His explanation of this was quite bizarre.

That doesn't sound like Phil. At a benefit kick. At first, according to Rolling Stone, Anselmo's initial reaction to the uproar was to make light of it saying white power was an inside joke because it was a benefit. They'd been drinking white wine backstage. No apologies from me, he said at the time. Incredible. It was a white wine joke.

We're all drinking white wine. So I did a Nazi salute. And yelled white power. Lull! It's like, I don't like... Incredible. I mean, it would have been bad enough if he yelled white wine power. That's still a terrible joke.

Yeah. But just to yell white power film. I mean, if you are... Did you think we understand that? Yeah, that's right. So now it's an in-joke backstage and stuff. Then don't do it. But that changed within a couple of days.

This is updated quote. He did a video. He said, it was ugly. It was uncalled for. And anyone who knows me and my true nature knows that I don't believe in any of that. I'm a thousand percent apologetic. Obviously bad maths straight up there.

I'm a thousand percent apologetic to anyone that took offense to what I said, which is always like a weasily. Yeah. It's not I apologize for the thing I did. It's I apologize. If you took offense. To anyone who took offense. Yeah.

Your fault. Because you said, because you should, no, sorry, I should finish the fucking sentence. Because you should have taken offense to what I said. Right. Fair enough. Sorry, Phil. Sorry, Phil to have a go at you in the middle of your white power apology. And I'm so sorry.

And I have, and I hope you just, man, give me another chance to, just give me another chance. He also released a statement a few days later, which said, I'm repulsed by my own actions and the self-loathing I'm going through right now is justified by the hurt I've caused. So you're sort of like going, I mean, what are you? Why don't I'm confused by you? Like if you are so apologetic, how are you so dumb in that moment to think it was anything? Like, what?

I'm so confused by it. Anyway, he has also said, like he's talked about it in different ways. every time it seems to be a slightly different explanation or whatever. He's also said that it was a weird attempt in dealing with hecklers, saying that it was a dumb, dumb move on my part because I've dealt with hecklers before. Basically, I was showing the ugly. I was playing a part.

It was an ugly gesture. And I've said this before. Look, if that joke is not funny anymore and it's worn out, it's welcome, then so be it. I can grow as well. Is he still talking about white wine? I don't. I think he's just, yeah, I don't know.

Is he still a drug addict? Is he still a bit off, no? Off his, off his, he seemed like, yeah. His Rex Rocker. That's good. I call that on delay. If he'd said off he's Rex Brown. Guys, I'm just off him a Rex Brown tonight.

Oh, no. Oh, no. You got to get a checked. down. So, yeah, you hear him talk? I mean, is it the backlash that's making you? You know, sometimes you're like, why are you really apologising? Is it because I just don't understand why you would say it in the first place if...

Did you know about this at the time? No. You've only researched this. Yeah. According to a garden article, Machine Head Frontman, machine head's a great band who are in that, they sort of come into that same groove metal. So I'd never really explain that. but the groove metal style that they started with Cowboys from Hell is just a slower tempo.

Sort of using some of the aggression of that are the newer Thrash of metal. But Thrash is quite a fast-paced style. So they bring it down to that. You know, like the walk is sort of a classic, dun-da-na-na-n-n-un-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-h. Whereas Thrash would be. Dun-da-na-n-n-n-n-tah. Yeah.

Sort of thing. Great example. That was well explained. It really was. I sound like I'm being sarcastic. but genuinely, that was very well explained and I understood. So Machine Head was... I got SCA and SCAT mixed up.

It's all the same to me. You're doing the full house theme again. Skibitab bad out. I never realized. That's a SCAT song. Yeah. Or SCAR song, sorry. I can't.

I don't know. So Machine Head, so the metal community like came down hard, obviously, on him. Like, what the, you know, In particular, machine head from man, Rob Flynn, was one of the strongest critics. He released an 11-minute video taking him down. He also pointed out Anselmo's initial explanation was misleading

since White Wine was not served to performers. So it was just like a weird even... How did he know that? He was on the line. Oh, right, he was on the liner. Yeah. So he was there. So he's going...

And then he went on to say... say, Flynn went on to say, only in the metal community is something like this so, so brushed off. He said, if this was Chad from Nickelback, if this was Justin Bieber, or if this was Tom Brady,

if this was Lars fucking Ulrich, heads would roll, Ulrich. Wow. So yeah, anyway, real strange. Strange is not quite right. Real fucked.

So anyway, put that at one side. If you can, we're getting to it like they're falling apart now anyway the band's fracturing they're they're basically breaking up at this point um and according to viny paul we kept working and really our intention wasn't to stop until phil decided he'd rather go and do down and super joint ritual which were two of his other main bands we never stopped i really felt like we were going to be the rolling stones of heavy metal and we could have been that's what i'm just saying um but it wasn't for phil it wasn't for phil yeah

It wasn't to be. Vinnie Paul and Dimebag got sick of waiting around for Phil. They were sort of, for them, Pantera was the main. They didn't really do side projects like he did. So they were waiting around. He said, I was always sitting there ready to make another album or tour.

They just had to call me. But, you know, there was a real big breakdown in communication. And it went public. Like, that was spadding in interviews against each other and that sort of stuff as well. And so they got bored of,

sick of waiting for him, they basically decided that he was never coming back. And I don't think it was ever official, but the band basically broke up in 2003 when Vinnie and Dime formed a new group called Damage Plan with vocalist Pat Lockman, who was the guitarist for Judas Priest's singer Rob Halford's band Halford. They released their debut album, Newfound Power in 2004, while all the while they are arguing between Pantera members continued on. Mudd's singing in the press went both ways. from Phil side in one interview he said

he said that he was always there ready to go basically blaming the brothers for the breakup but he also said this is quite a famous line that people take out and reading it in context it doesn't sound as bad it's but out of context it sounds pretty bad it is either way but he said that dime bag deserves to be beaten severely four which is a bit aggressive bit aggressive

I mean what do you get paid for per punch Because he might He might say yes Yeah, you never know 10 bucks a punch I can't think of how much I'd charge per punch To be honest

For me it'd be quite a lot of money Yeah It'll probably depend on the person I'd cap it at one Yeah There's no amount of money I'd take for 30 punches to the face I reckon if you could punch me in the face

Give me 10 grand for it And somehow strategically Knock out my wisdom teeth at the same time Oh yeah That would solve a lot of problems That's a win-win for you Yeah. If anyone can do that, please get in contact.

Yeah, I'm happy to have my wisdom teeth punched out and you give me 10 grand. Good deal. I'm fine with that. So Damage Plan went out on the road in support of this album. And was the album popular? The album was, you know, it was popular enough, but nowhere near it. Like, I think I made Top 40 chart in the Top 40. So it sold album, but nowhere near as much as in the Pantera days.

and it was like it was a bit the reviews were a bit mixed from critics I bought it at the time I really liked it but it I don't know something about the lyrics did feel a bit like it did feel like slightly lame or something

I remember this one song was called fuck you or something he goes fuck you it went through all these things fuck you for this, fuck you for that and then it goes but most of all

motherfucker fuck you it's sort of like something about it just feels real childish again. So back to high school style of lyrics. But, you know, the first album and you've got to give

a band a chance to grow. Yeah, I mean, the first band took four albums before they were doing anything. So I'm like, to me it was a very promising debut. And, you know,

the guitar parts and stuff. And it was, you know, it was because you got the guitarist and the drummer from Pantera. There was a big chunk of the sound was, it was like. And if people just go into the geese

because they want to see Dimebag and Vinnie from Pantera. I think so. Yeah. I think. I think that definitely would have been a big part. Unfortunately, I never made it out to Australia. About 32 shows in, damage plan landed at the Alrosa Villa Club in Columbus, Ohio, on December

the 8th, 2004, but this show would end in tragedy. Former US Marine Nathan Gale tried to board the damage plan tour bus before the show. He wasn't able to get in. but he was heavily armed and he got into the venue and he got onto the stage around the start of their performance stormed the stage and he gunned down dime bag at point-blank range. In the rampage, Gail also shot and killed damage plans, head of security, Jeffrey Thompson and venue staff member Erin Hulk.

Oh my God, I didn't know that. Yeah. According to this article I was reading on Ultimate Classic rock.com, those last two Thompson and Hulk, both of whom struggled with Gail long enough for other musicians and countless innocent concert goers to escape. Wow. So they tried to tackle him.

They tackled him, but yeah, he shot him. He shot him in amongst all that. Also killed was Nathan Bray, who was a fan who heroically attempt to give Dimebag's CPR and paid an awful price as a result. That's the quote from the... Shut whilst giving CPR. Yeah. Gail's shooting spree came to an end

when a police officer killed Gail with a single shotgun blast while the assailant still held another man hostage. So that's all from that same article. It's unknown what the motives were. Some say he was a craze fan who was shouting, you broke up Pantera. so it was like a like he was taking his

that out on Pantera obviously wasn't going well he wasn't a well man but it like logically it's like killing the guitarist is not going to help bring Pantera back it's kind of it makes it much harder

yeah because that's what I heard at the time I'm like fucking man you've done the opposite of that they can never get back together but obviously he wasn't thinking logically. And I think I read his mom had said that he might have even believed that they'd stole his identity.

He was the real songwriter or something like that. But it's never been, no one knows for sure what the reason was. And obviously he died there. So, you know, he wasn't able to be asked. Wow. I remember where I was sitting in my car with my friend. and Sarah at the beach when a friend texted me about it. And I reckon it's the only time I ever cried hearing about a stranger dying.

Right. So you got texted and what end of the text? Did it say he'd been shot or just? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think it was just that he died at a concert. And, you know, the info was sketchy at first. And I died because his, so his trademark was a, he had a dyed pink beard.

So I died my, had my beard died pink that week. And, yeah, I was wearing at a supermarket at the time and they did not like it. And you said, it's for fucking dime bag. It's for dime bag. A lot of, it was funny how many people knew what it was about. But, yeah, the supermarket made me tied up in a, in like a, like that. Like that makes a huge difference to the colour. That makes it way more intimidating.

A tied up beard. Yeah. Look here a member of corn from 1999. Terrifying. Terrifying. Like monkey? Or one of the guy with the kilt? Yeah.

Jonathan? Jonathan. I was going to say Jonathan bro, but that's not right. That's not right, Jonathan. Jonathan. Fuck, what's his name? That's bad. Is that bad? Maybe that's great.

You don't need a knock on. They're all right. They do what they do. Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Jonathan. That's JTT. Oh. Jonathan Davis.

Davis. Davis. Um, nah, nah, um, what was he making that? Yes, he should have done

the home improvement noise. He was, yeah, Tim Allen, he was a freak on a leash, I tell you that much. Freak off the leash.

Dimebag has since been ranked in, in many compilations of top guitarists of all times, including the number one guitarist by UK magazine Metal Hammer.

Number one of all time, amazing. Yeah. I don't think you'd get heaps of people agreeing with that. But he's definitely known as a very great, very influential heavy metal guitarist. And then as we said at the start, sorry about Vinnie Paul, but he took the death of his brother very hard. So there's a lot of tragedy in that family.

He was there playing. He was there. He saw it all his right. That would be so awful. Yeah. So he took a little bit of time off music before. joining this band called Hell Yeah. Great name.

In 2006, who I saw around that time at a festival in Melbourne. Was any other members and other bands in it? Yes, they were quite a supergroup. Hell yeah. I just love the term supergroup. It's so good. It is. What was the Australian supergroup call that got together and did Evie,

all three parts of Evie? The Stevie's, I think. Was it they called the... Because it was self to Stevie Wright or the Wrights. The Wrights. The Wrights. Damn it. The rights.

That's right. Yeah, so they had... Their vocalist was from Mudvane. Oh, yeah. Nothing Face. Yeah, so members, they all played in different metal bands beforehand. And, yeah, they released a bunch of albums. Do you write at the middle?

Still going right up to his death. I didn't love To be honest I didn't really listen to them beyond their first album Which I thought I didn't love But now I've just listened to their Tracks of their most recent album It's pretty cool

So I'm gonna probably delve back into them Coming up Right and have they said yet How Vinnie died? Yeah so they weren't sure at first But it sounds like it was a massive heart attack Which was interesting For some reason I'm like

Did he take his life because of the pain and all the trauma from seeing his brother killed. But yeah, I don't know. Like the heart attack. I was like, oh, that's awful. Yeah. I mean, it's whatever it was. It was going to be sad.

Yeah. But did him and Phil ever talk again or was it? No, you'd see Rex in the middle was sort of trying to get something happening. And there was basically Vinnie Paul's like, there's, without dime, there's no pantera. Don't worry about it, yeah. But he also kind of, I think he maybe blamed Phil in some ways for it. People in between, even Dimebag's long-time girlfriend was trying to get him to talk again. But you'd see Vinnie Paul in interviews and he'd be like, no, I don't really want to talk about that.

Nothing more needs to be said about that. Oh, that's sad. Yeah, he just wasn't. Certainly not now. Who knows what would have happened in the future, but it never quite happened. He has talked about there's recordings of Dimebag that he, sort of things that were working on when Dimebag died that have never been released. And he's like, they're all in the vault.

And this is in the interview I was watching from a year or two ago. And he's like, yeah, when I've got time, I'm going to put them all out. I'm going to work on him. I'm going to get guest vocalists on him and we'll put them out. And I'm like, oh, fuck. So sad. It's all so bloody sad. So, yeah, he was 54.

So it's still relatively a young, young man. That, I guess, brings us right up to date. What about Rex Brown? Rex Brown, actually. So he played with Down for a while, and he's played with a bunch of different bands, and he released his debut solo album. I think it was last year, which I quite liked as well, sort of a hard, hard sort of southern rocky kind of album.

Southern rock bass lines. Yeah. 12 tracks. Nothing but bass. It was called Smoke on This. Oh, yeah. The titles are very good. Very good stuff.

Yeah. Like there was the album cover like someone's ass with like a joint poking out of it? I think it was just it was him lining up the smoke, I think. But yeah, he went pretty literal. It was a real opportunity for to get that ass back into Walmart. I think they'd be on board with now. Yeah, I think they'd be ready. Didn't sound like they lived the, uh,

healthiest lifestyles. No. Possibly that contributed to the heart attack. Yeah, I didn't, I mean, I didn't talk about that much, but they were famous parties as well. Sure. They had the famous, a certain dime bag had this, they used to drink these things called black tooth grin. I was like, I think it was, I don't know if they made it up or if that was already like a famous cocktail, but it was like bourbon and all sorts of crap mixed in black tooth grin. Oh no.

I think that's what it was called. It sounds nasty. Don't tell you us about it now. They used to release home videos, home videos, which are really just like them going around on handicams, cutting them together. It's like early kind of jackass stuff, sort of a lot of fucking around.

They'd have this road guy, like real confusing sketches. Like there was, like, I don't know who he was, like their tech or something. And he'd be like, the Hulk, he'd be painted green and just flexing it. And then they'd do like these long-complicated. of them throwing plastic cups at gigs out into the crowd a little bit in and people catching it and drinking it,

they'd figure out the way to throw it so the beer would stay in the cup. Nice. And they just all these come by, just a lot of fun. So they're a fun time kind of band, a partying band. How were people watching them back in the day? VHS. So that's how they were initially released as, yeah, home videos.

And then they got, that's fun. ended up coming out on DVD as well. You can still bloody get all that stuff. Can you watch it on YouTube? The first thing, I just searched Blacktooth grin. I think it must be his thing because it came up, the first thing it came up is Dimebag, Darrell's Blacktooth grin is his drinkable legacy. It sounds already bad.

Yeah, I mean, the name of it sounds pretty nasty in itself. What is it? What does it specifically entail? So it's essentially, apparently according to this article on munchies. com, I trust them. And it was named after a lyric in Megadeth's Sweating Bullets. It's essentially a double shot of Seagram's 7 and a double shot of Crown Royal tossed over ice or not and splashed with just enough Coca-Cola to give it a darkened hue.

So that's four shots, I guess. Whoa. Sounds nasty. And if you come to our Sydney show, Jess and I will be seven black tooth grins all night long. Absolutely not, no. Are you never drinking again at the moment? Looks like it's just me.

I'll be having shot after shot of the black tooth grin. The end of that half hour of feeling good is approaching. Yeah, exactly that's been about half an hour. Well done. They gives it a yeah. Sorry, Jess. So we should, having wrapped up the report. Well done, Matt.

That is a great report. I'm sorry. that they died. That's beautiful, Dave. Thank you so much. It is tragic. For those heartfelt words. But a very timely report,

because I feel like that maybe you could have done this report at another time. Yeah. It wouldn't have been full closure. I just, they're never getting back together. Yeah, that's true. I just did not know how to feel about it when I got, yeah, that Google alert. I was like, oh, you're kidding. There was really, anyway.

So this week's fact quote or question, which is a Patreon each week. Have you explained this, Dave? I have, no. I mean, did you leave the room to vomit? No. I mean, have you ever explained it? Because I don't know if I've tried it. And I've never explained it particularly well.

Honestly, I thought what you meant was, sorry, have you already explained this? Did I miss this? Basically, fact quote, a question is a new Patreon's supported segment where people that support us on Patreon.com slash do go on pod, which is if you ever want to support the show. On the Sydney-Sheinberg level. That's right. These people, we pick one at random to submit a fact quote or question that we will broadcast on the show. What are we got this week, Matt?

And they also get to choose their own title. Oh, yes. In terms of where they rank within the do-go-one company. Exactly. And this week, it's Trey Maverick. Trey. Trey's been a big support of the show. What's Trey's job title?

He said, you can use my full legal title since it's already pretty badass. And that is Joseph Lee Maverick the Third. Very good. He said, or Joseph, son of Joseph, son of Joseph. I like that one. Yeah, me too. Joseph, son of Joseph, son of Joseph. That's a great business card.

He's chosen fact. Oh, I love a good fact. Love our minds. Well, I have a feeling that you might know this. fact because it's also anyway, I'll just say it and you can tell me

if and why you do know it. The fact is there is no such thing as a fish. That is true and it's also the title of that QI inspired podcast. That's right. So that, and I'd never put together why that would be the name of that, but that is of course because that is a fact. That is one of their

facts. And he said he said it's true. Well, kind of. Fish is not a biological stratification. It's kind of like the word bug and that it doesn't refer to any specific species or genus. But everybody pretty much knows what you mean when you say it. Oh, that's cool.

That is Trey. Mavericks fact. Thank you, Trey. And no such thing as a fish is very popular, but also a very fun podcast. I think they just toured Australia not too long ago. So they obviously... Yeah, oh, they're huge. They get around.

Yeah, they're the people that basically, they're the researchers from QI, yeah. That's cool. And thank you very much for your facts, Trey. And another thing we do with our Patreon supporters, Dave, what's the other thing we do? Well, basically, you can also vote on topics if you're a Patreon. You get two bonus episodes just for those supporters every single month.

You get access to newsletters, pre-sales, that kind of thing. But you also, we pick six people in order. of when they pledged. So we're getting through the back end of all the people. And we got to thank them for their support and we give them a nickname or a title or something to do with the topic. Matt, what are you thinking?

Well, this is not my role. This is Jess always does this. Rock and roll name. Rock and roll name. Like dime bag. And Rex Rocker. Right. I love it.

So good. That's real good. Well, can I kick off this week's thank you for our patrons? Yes, you certainly can. All the way from Hampshire. in Great Britain. I'd love to thank Mr James Sutton. Oh.

James Sutton. Jimmy. Jumping James. Jumping James. Jumping Jimmy James. I like it. I like it a lot. He sounds like a 60s rocker.

Jumping. Jumping James, the Jack Rabbit. Jumping James. Jumping James. Thank you. Jumping James all the way in Hampshire. I try to take it up a notch. And then I look.

up at you guys and you guys are both like bring it back down and much man i mean he you flew too close to the sun and your wings have melted because they're made of water wow wow water melts okay but they were made made of water then put in the freezer dave come and grow up right uh i would also like to thank if i may and i would uh and i think i should may i'm pretty sure this next person from Brisbane, Queensland, is a metalhead. Kate Johnson, who came and saw us up at the live show in Brisbane last year around. Kate? Really, a metal.

Kate Johnson. Kate Johnson. She took us to that metal bar day. Oh, Kate, yeah. She is a massive metalhead. Yeah. She got tattoos of metal bands and things. Kate, yeah.

I thought he was going to stop at tattoos. I was like, you have a tattoo. We all have a tattoo. Yeah, no, sorry, her's a very heavily music inspired. Yes. That was a great night out, actually, Kate. Yeah, Kate. What was that place called?

It was called the Crowbar. Crowbar, that was it. Jess, well, Kate Johnson, give him a metal name. Oh, it's got to be Crowbar. Oh, Kate Crowbar. Kate the Crowbar Johnson. Oh, that's good. Kate the Crowbar Johnson.

Love it. So good. Yes, well done. Thank you very much, Kate. Well, I, um, I, uh, ex-girlfriend gave me a, uh, a metal name and that was Matalica. Oh, I love it, yes. Sounds like that she was pretty down with the music. Like the, the band.

No, we get it. Oh, I was going to. I'm sorry. I was going to try and do something there, but that's fine. You're going to do a bit of a switcheroo? Yeah, but that's, go on, no, do it. No, it's too late. Don't sulk.

Come on. Do you want to do it? I was going to say, like the band Megadeth, because Dave Must say it's a bit sad. Yeah. It's down, but you made sure to put an end to that. Glad you did, because... That's what I do.

All right, I'm going to thank someone to get us out of this metal hole that we're putting in. I would like to thank from, if I may, Jess. Can I go? Please. You can wrap us up if you don't vomit. Yeah, originally I was going to say, can I go first just in case? But no, let's go. Are you sure?

I would like to think from W.A. Western, no, not Western Australia at all. Washington. From Mount Vernon, Washington frequent tweeter and suggestor Pete Free. Pete free. Pete free. Thank you so much, Pete. You love to have your support. Great, Pete.

I did not know that's how you pronounced Pete. Yeah, because last time you said, Piet. Peet. And I would have done that again. Yeah, I made a mental night because I think she's suggested some topics before. That's when we stuffed it up last time. So thank you. Pete Free.

And what would we call Pete Free? Pete Free. What about the Flamen Eagle? Yeah, like a more old school sort of old school early metal kind of imagery there. Yep. Oh, right. Okay, like dragons, Stonehenge. Yeah.

And then the bald eagle, free. Perfect. Love it. And she's got a tattoo on her back of a bald eagle with a spread wings and its head is on fire and you can see a skull, kind of like that Nicholas Cage comic book movie. Do you remember that one? Yeah.

Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider. Ghost Rider. I'm going to call it Ghostman. Ghostman. Thank you so much, Pete Free. Keep rocking out. I would like to thank all the way, I believe, from Sweden.

Very exciting to have some Swedish support. I cannot pronounce with any real knowledge of how to pronounce me from, but it's Kung Sangan. Ooh. I reckon that's pretty close. I would like to thank Janika Larson. Janika Larson. That is a brilliant name.

Janika Larson. So good. Bob, what do you got? What have I got? Yannika Larson. What about? banging heads Larson

banging headbanger headbanging That's fucking Yanika head bangin Larson Badassin That is fucking badass

When you When you hit banging heads At the midnight sun Yanika Larson's there I feel like we're playing We're playing one down here today

Normally Jess is carrying us Through this segment And I'm doing great I never realized How much she carried us Until today When she didn't not rock up. It's too bad. It's weird doing this show with just the two of us again.

You and I will step up for these last two names, I'm sure of it. We'll get some great ones. Janet, look, Yanukkah Larson, the headbanger is, that's pretty iconic. Yanika the head bang, banika. Well, I would like to thank a couple people too before I go throw up again. Okay, great. From... From this very mouth that's thanking you, vomit will be coming out very soon. It's very exciting. From British Columbia. British Columbia.

In Canada. I would like to thank Cali Trey. Oh, that is already a great name. So good. So good. You give me one word, Dave, and I'll do the second word, right? Okay. You give me a real metal verb, and I'll go to some sort of a hard noun.

Rusty. Total. Rusty total. That's pretty good. Yeah, I like it. I said total. Oh, okay. No, total, even better. Rusty total. I mean, was that a hard noun? Total. I think I was. Is that a word? I think I was trying to say turtle, but I started saying toad, total. It's a part, toad part turtle.

Yeah, cool. And it's rusty. Rusty total. Well, rusty total. That doesn't seem healthy, but thank you, Kelly. Kelly. All right, Matt, we'll do another one now. All right. I'm going to say an actual thing this time. And I'd also like to thank from this very studio, somebody who has supported us. Dave, have you been supporting? Yes, I have. It's really, because Patreon takes the money off it.

So really, I'm losing money. They take that cut from the money I'm giving us. Okay, I meant the wider building that we're in. Oh, the owner of the building. Stupid old studios. I would like to thank the beautiful boy himself, Evan Munro Smith. EMS. The host of Gamey Gamey Game.

Oh, what a show. what a man. Evan. Evan Munro Smith. All right. Also the man who wrote our theme song and Britain performed it. And he still supports us monetarily. Thank you so much.

Evan, you legend. And I'll, what have I, you think of the verb and I'll go noun? Okay. Ball tearing hook. That's pretty good. That's pretty great. The ball tearing hook. The ball tearing hook.

Appropriate. Yeah. He doesn't have enough names already. Evan, the ball tearing hook, Munra Smith. Yeah, I love it. Great. That's great. We've finished strong.

I think we've really summed up his essence there. Thanks, Evo. Thanks, Evo, you're a legend. He does so much for this show. And we also love his show Gamey, Gamy, Game. Let's give him a plug. Go check it out on YouTube. It's the best video game panel show I've ever seen.

And we've all been on it multiple times, so you should go check that out. Maybe we'll put that in the description. There's a link to all of our episodes on there, so I'll put that link in the description. Yeah, check out the playlist of the Duggo on, the Times of Do Go On or on Gamey Game. Even once when we were all there.

That was fun. That's true. That's fun. We're talking about the Sims. We're all big gamers. I love. Gamey's world or whatever the game I played. All these worlds are what you were calling it.

Oh yeah, but it's called, like, Ratchet and Whank or something. Something like that. Yeah. That's good fun. Good fun. And you can get in contact anytime with us, guys. All the contact details are now conveniently listed on do go on pod.com, our pretty new website. There's also merch there.

A link there you click merch. It takes you to Red Bubble. And there's two designs up at the moment. We're going to have some more coming up. And right now you can get T-shirts, but also you can put that design on pretty much anything else. You can put it on pants, on hoodies. Pants Tara.

Yes. You can put it on pants. Can we get like a Dugo on style like metal logo? Yes. Oh my goodness. That would be fun. Absolutely yes. Thanks, Bob.

Let's get Caperon to it. Can we have it? And it just says like Tair and Bowles. since 2016. Sure. Or 2015 when we actually launched. No, the first few months we didn't tear balls. Nah, but after that, we started tear balls.

I'd love to also plug our YouTube channel, which is YouTube.com slash do go on pod. I've been, I'm almost up to date with all the episodes, and there's a couple of live videos from our live shows up there as well. I think there's a video of Dave Headbutton and humping the watermelons in there somewhere as well. Yeah, so check that out. Good content. Hot content.

I want to try and put more stuff up. No regrets. Yeah, so please, yeah, subscribe to the channel. Because the more people that subscribe there, the more we'll be like, yeah, let's do it. Let's put some stuff up. It'll be a lot of fun. And, yeah, you can suggest a topic through the website.

And I guess that's pretty much it for this week. What are you going to do tonight? I'm going to go throw up again. All right. Can we please wrap up? All right, let's wrap up. Thank you so much for listening. Until next week, I will say thank you and goodbye.

Later. Bye. Help me. Thanks for doing that, Bob. Thanks for hanging around. Yeah, you took one for the team there. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates.

I mean, if you want, it's up to you. Yeah. Certainly not the Bob. Some of them. Who is perfect? Perfect in every way. And that's why she is regularly retweeted by Mr. Russell Crow. Oh, we've got to talk back quickly about that.

Jess, how does it feel to be retweeted by Academy Award winner? Russell Crow. Well, look, all it's really done has... Changed you inherently? Yeah. Made you a better person. Better, newer, more focused. Newer.

Refreshed. Yeah. I feel invigorated. I am so focused. And it also exposed you to so many new fans. Yeah, yeah. People encouraging you, I imagine, writing nice things about you. Crow bots, I think.

they call Russell Crow fans. Oh, that's good. That's good. That's what they used to call the Adelaide Crows when they were a very like regimented team in the mid-2000. Anyway, it doesn't matter. What a weird sidetrack early. But how good was that?

That was very good. I didn't get any, I didn't get any extra followers from it. Didn't it? Maybe like three. Really? But I just got a lot of comments of like, this is offensive. I was like, I'm not sure how. But okay.

Oh boy. And then one that was in Italian. Maltow bernic. Do you translate? I did translate. I understood what one of them was. Was that a swear word? No.

But the other word, it, nothing came up. Groucho marks. Nothing came up in Google Translate. I was like, that's odd. And then that person actually tweeted again, like correcting her spelling mistake. So what she was saying was like funny laugh. This is the reach that Russell Crow has. Yeah, yeah.

I'm reaching it. Italy. He's his multi-million follower. 2.7. 2.7. Who's counting? That's kind of low. I reckon he's gone up to 2.8 since he's retweeted your content.

Because you look at like Kim Kardashian, she's on like 60 million. Right. That is low. Maybe he's just getting, anyway, he's been hot on it lately. Yeah, he has. He's probably, I imagine he's another person that if you did a report on, you would find that you don't like him that much, potentially. I don't know.

Probably. He's a roguish brute. Anyway, but he's a good friend of mine and a colleague and a colleague and the mentor. So please show some respect for Rusty. A gladi a mentor. Don't forget to sign up to our tour mailing list so we know where in the world you are and we can come and tell you when we're coming there. Wherever we go, we always hear six months later, oh, you should come to Manchester. We were just in Manchester. But this way you'll never, it will never miss out. And don't forget to sign up, go to our Instagram, click our link tree. Very, very easy. It means we know to come to you and you'll

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