Two In The Think Tank - 141 - The History of Pantera

Episode Date: July 4, 2018

This week's episode is about heavy metal powerhouse, and one of Matt's favourite bands, Pantera! From their beginings as a glam band through to their days on top of the world - we talk about their successes, failures, tradegies and controversies.Report begins at 7:50Check out Gamey Gamey Game: http://gameygame.com/dogoonSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodWebsite : dogoonpod.com Support Dave's Gloveless Finger Palm Coolers Pozible Campaign: https://pozible.com/project/gloveless-finger-palm-coolersSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]/Further Reading:https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/jerry-abbott-father-dimehttps://web.archive.org/web/20110713234147/http://love-it-loud.com/making-of/pantera-cowboys-from-hell/https://www.loudersound.com/features/the-story-behind-cowboys-from-hell-by-panterahttp://www.blabbermouth.net/news/vinnie-paul-repeats-debunked-story-of-how-panteras-vulgar-display-of-power-cover-was-created/https://www.loudersound.com/features/once-were-warriors-the-rise-and-fall-of-panterahttp://www.blabbermouth.net/news/archive-news-jun-14-2001/http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/philip-anselmo-dimebag-darrell-deserves-to-be-beaten-severely/https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/phil-anselmo-opens-up-about-racism-panteras-legacy-w456501https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/feb/01/metal-community-condemns-racism-phil-anselmo-nazi-salute-white-powerhttp://www.Pantera.com  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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You could start your new career in months, not years. Take classes online or on campus Visit PlanetBroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates Hello and welcome to another episode of do go on my name is Dave one again I and I'm sitting here with Matt Stewart and a very hungover Jess Perkins. Ehhhh, bapa. You're just excited, it's not you for once. I haven't had a drink in like two months. That's not true. At all?

At all. Well, not since last financial year. Well, I mean, that was yesterday. Yeah. Or whenever you're listening to this, the appropriate amount of time, or I go. Plus yesterday, yes. No, I just wanted to house Smuggie you feeling now, looking across the table at Jess.

So Smuggie. Very hungover Perkins. Look, I imagine she had a really good time and it was well worth it. I did have a really good time. And it was well worth it. No, it wasn't worth it. I threw up in a cafe.

No, it's not. Like in a bin? No, I went to the bathroom. All right, oh no, I went behind have a cafe. No, it's not. It like in a bin. No, I went to the bathroom. All right, oh no, I went behind the sandwich counter. I think nearly nothing is worth that. Yeah, it wasn't good. I think yeah, hang over to a very, rarely really worth it. But the annoying thing is that I woke up fine.

Like, you know, you normal thirsty and tired. Pranked at it. Yeah, no, no. I was like, well, I'm actually all right. And then like four hours later, I was not okay. That's annoying. I need to know when I wake up what I'm dealing with. Right.

It's snuck up on you. Yeah. And then I had to throw up a couple of times at a cafe and then another time at home. Then I had to sleep for a bit. And now I feel very average. Drinking to get a bomb again on live on air. God, I hope so. What, I've on air.

Yeah, because it's this is. Saturday night. We will not be cutting out the sounds of you. No, we will not compromise on that. I know, we're gonna ask you to. Hey Bob, I think in your current state, you're probably the best person to give us a quick rundown of what this show is all about.

Easy, no problem. What this show is is myself just getting perkins. That boy over there, David Jones walking. Okay, I'm the boy, yep. That bearded man over there, Matthew Jones Stewart, is we take turns taking a topic suggested by yourself. He would... Shhh, Stewart.

Right. Is that he would Stuart the person who suggests the topic? All of them. I did not know that. It doesn't make sense to one person. The collective term for a do-go-al-lissar is a Hewyd Stuart. Oh, Hewyd Stuart. Yeah.

Did he have that? No, I didn't know that. If I make it to you. Is that their last time or is that their occupation? They Stuart. No, that's their collective. It's like a flock of sea girls. Yeah, or a murder of crowds.

Like you and your own stewed of fans. The rents of R&W. Right. Oh, please go on, sorry, just, I'm so sorry, I'm so interrupt, you're seamless description. Right, so the three reforming and actors. Great. Comedians, performers, human beings.

For actor. act all. We choose a topic suggested by a human Stuart. We report, create a report on that topic and report that report back to the other two. One of whom is currently struggling very hard. Right, Dave. I'm struggling very hard. Right, Dave. I'm struggling very hard to understand, yes. And hilarity follows.

Perfect. I'm excited that one of us will give a reportable report. Yeah. And that is started usually with a question. And this week I'm doing the topic and here is my question. Right on. It's a very personal question. I don't normally open up like this.

Who is my third favorite band of all time? Third favorite, you are wearing a UMI jumper? That's true. Great Aussie band, I know you like them a lot. I do. It's not them, no. Where would they come, have you ranked them? How many of you ranked?

I've only really ranked three. Sorry. Okay, well the Beatles, we've talked about before, I believe they may be your number one. Yes. I think so. Penterra? Okay, well the Beatles, we've talked about before, I believe they may be your number one. Yes. I think so. Penterra? Yes, that's who it is.

Penterra! Penterra! I think a little bit after writing this report, make some, I mean, not like them as much as, as with all reports I've done. No, no, honestly, you should never meet all writer of do-go-on report about your heroes. Yeah, it's a bit of a, like, I may maybe a sort of vaguely, but anyway, we'll talk about as we go on. This topic of Pantera was suggested by listener Alex Hitchcock about a year or so ago on

Twitter, but it's also been suggested a bunch of times in the last week or so because Pantera have been in the news. Oh, sadly they have. Jess's the news. Sadly, they have. Jess is not aware. I did not know. The drummer died not too long ago, but I guess I'll mention that later in the report. Yes, that's been pretty sad. And yeah, to me, it was mind blowing

because I had already started the report when he died. He'd already chosen this. Yeah. He's been next. Yeah. And I, because I'd been reading about him a lot and started writing the report at the time. Somehow Google knew that and messaged me saying there's news about Pantera. So that's how I found out.

He died. Google told you. Google texting. Have you had that before? I've never had that before. That's so strange. That is so strange. And do you feel responsible? I can't help but feel like I played a small and pivotal role. So thank you so much Alex, Alex Hitchcock for the suggestion. Dan Hart, we had a bit of a chat about it as well. He's turned out to be a big fan. He thought it'd be a really good topic. He made this assumption that you guys would not know much about them. Correct assumption. Okay.

Dave? Yes, I have gone through a sort of heavy music phase in my teens, but never sort of the thrash type of metal. So I don't really know anything about them. be a music phase in my teens, but never sort of the threshold type of metal. So I don't really know anything about them. Well, you're off from the start. I mean, they were threshold influence, sure, but they were threshold metal. Are they one of the big four? No, Dave.

No, no, no. All right. Let's get on with the record. They're the big four. They were influenced by the big four, but they weren't one of the big four. They sort of went off on a site fork. Oh, I'm so out of my depth. All right, well, let's start from the top in the man Jerry Bob Abbott. Jerry Bob Good. Jerry Bob Abbott. He was a country musician and a record producer from Texas. And in 1962, 20 years of age, he married Norma Carollan. Two years later, they had a son

who was named Vincent Paul Abbott, who you would know from this week's last week's, last month's news. He was the drummer who died of any Paul. He was born on March 11, 1964 and two years later they had another son named Darrell Lance Abbott on August 20th 1966 of course 1966 is the most good year of them all. Me here 35 days after Darrell's birth the Saints won their one and only their Phil Pramyship so it's a great thing that of Vinnie Paul and Darrell both alive for the saintess big day. They were there. I assume they were there. If they weren't there, they were probably watching it on the bloody telly.

I assume they get Channel 7. I think so. Over there, don't they? Yeah, channels are there. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. At least 7, absolutely.

Yeah. Sure. Despite having no prior experience, Jerry Bob took up a job as a recording studio engineer in 1973 He's he was a musician. He'd been around it, but he hadn't he'd never done any engineering work But he got a job got a job people a friend. I think asked him to do and he's like all right so his boys Darryl and Vinnie Paul would spend a bunch of time hanging out there at the studio. Bigger brother Vinnie took up playing the drums and although Darryl also wanted to play the drums like his brother, there was only the one kit so he took up guitar instead.

Which is then I reckon nearly it would always be guitar would my bet would be that would normally be the first pick. Yeah definitely. If you lined up all the instruments, it'd probably go guitar drums bass, right? Yeah. I'm not like I like the bass. I think it does depend on the era. It sort of depends how like if it's a funk band, maybe bass would be higher up the record. Or like sometimes in some of yours is like keyboard is big. Right. Guitar is something. But then you know, guitar usually does trumpet. And the great thing about guitar is you can just you can play along to you know, guitar usually does trumpet. And the great thing about guitar is you can just, you can play along to, you know, you can jam on your own drums. It's difficult to play solo.

Yeah, drum solos are great though. I saw Cosmic Sarkas last month and they, at one point, they go, we're bringing back the drum solo. I mean, they did a bit of drum solos, okay. How long do you reckon it went for? I was a good few minutes, but I made me think I'm like, yeah, that was like not that long ago, drum, every gig you went to,? How long do I go to wear for? I was a good few minutes, but it made me think I'm like, yeah, that was not that long ago. Every gig you enter, that'd be a drum solo.

Especially bigger shows, but they don't really happen that much anymore. Out of body fashion. Bring him back. Bring him back. As long as the guitar. Darrell was given a guitar as a birthday present, and Jerry Bob gave him his first lessons. Before long, Darrell was becoming a prodigy in the art of shredding. He recorded some of his playing into a cassette and entered into a local guitar competition

at the age of 14, and he was selected from 150 entries to go into the final, which was played live, and he ended up taking out the whole competition as a 14 year old against, you know, experienced man in this guitar. Oh, so it's not just for kids. Yeah. Well, I do believe it was an open competition. Well, that is cool. That's awesome. And they all decided getting up there

and spreading for like, you know, a couple of minutes. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think whoever's... And then he's... And then he's... He started just going around doing that, winning a lot of competitions. Man, what happened to the guitar competition? Yeah, I'd have never bring back. Never come across that, but yeah, that is a fun idea.

The brothers early influences included bands like Kiss and Van Halen. And according to Jerry Bob, Eddie Van Halen, Randy Rhodes, who was from Ozzy Osborne's band, and his own band quite right and ace Freely from Kiss where his favorite plays and the first song he remembers his boys playing was Deep Purple's Smoke on the Water. Oh yeah. It's a classic first guitar song. BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM We could all play it. On the old mouth guitar yeah yeah bam bam and dive on the math drums And that comes all over. Broom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, Ow, ow, ow, ow, I hit my leg.

Oh God. It's this blood everywhere. I can see the bone. I've got blisters on my fingers and I hit my leg. Jerry Bob and Norma Carolyn split when the boys are still quite young. So they live with their mother, but they, according to Jerry Bob, they would often go around to his place.

And he saw that they saw each other as more like friends. Yeah, cool. He talked about it. I'm a good dad. Like the interview was like really laying it on hard how he's a cool dad. Yeah, we didn't, you know, we didn't even really have like a father-son relationship.

We were more like friends. And that's something to brag about, is it? I wasn't very good at my key role. Deadbeat dad? Well, he taught a dime bagdare or how to play guitar, so, you know. Thank you for that. I mean, wash him out that.

How many parents have created dime bagdare? Yeah, good point. I'm so sorry. Jerry Bob number one. I've been annoyed to hear that his birth name is not Don Begg. No, it wasn't. And actually, I let it slip. I was going to try and wait until he actually started calling

himself that before I called him that. But it's so ingrained in my head calling him Don Begg but he slipped up like a fool. A fool. Because in the majority of maybe almost half half or maybe more than half of the albums I ever released, he went by a different name, which I'll mention. Oh, I don't know that name. The brothers formed a band in 1981 who were at first called Gemini for changing that

to eternity. Oh, wow, they're both sound good. I can't. Tights of, like rings that predict your mood. Yeah, that is, I mean, that is kind of what meta was in the 80s, was that kind of vague thing. Dinosaurs, no dragons and fire and mood rings, I guess, I don't know.

Stonehenge. Stonehenge, yeah. The big three, four. That's the big four I was talking about before. Moot rings, dragons. Stonehenge. Stonehenge. Stonehenge, yeah. The big three, four. That's the big four I was talking about before. Moot Ring Stragons. Stonehenge. Stonehenge. Could you have, if you had a stab at the big four, would you be out of Thrash? Would you be out of Naimem?

Yeah, I think, uh, Slayer. Yes. Mega death. Yes. Anthrax? Yes. I thought Pantera was the fourth one. Um, let's know. It's thetera was the fourth one. It's the one that I assumed you everyone would guess. Oh, Metallica.

Yeah, Metallica. Of course, fuck. Well done. Thank you. I'm sorry, I apologize. Antwax is the one that's the forgotten one because they were on the, everyone else from the West Coast, I think.

They're the only like New York from that. Right. I thought Pantera was part of, so they're heavily influenced by those. So they were forming in a similar kind of time, but they didn't get, they, they started off in quite a separate side of things. Gemini and Eternity gives you a bit of a clue to the kind of band they were. They were more of that hair metal, they were influenced by Van Halen and Kirsten and other bands.

Every time Slayer. Eurnity. Oh God. But apparently someone suggested to Vinnie Paul, as he tells it, they said, oh God, there's this, I think it was based on the name of a car, Pantera, and it's Spanish for Panther. So he's like, he took that, he took the name to the band and probably they all liked it. It's way better than eternity. Yeah. Big time. Do you reckon you would like them if they were called eternity?

Would they be in your top three? I don't know. Would you be embarrassed to say? What's hard to say? The way I got into him was at the time, I was in, like, what would have been 16 or something like that. And I was riding a California punk at the time I was in like, what would it mean? Six day and something like that. And I was riding a California punk at the time. You know, that sort of poppy punk like Pennywise and

and no effects and sublime and Aussie bands like Bodyjar and friends of Roman stuff. So I was like riding to that and had a pretty narrow view of it all. And then I was at a party and I was saying my friend was telling me, all my classmates at school were in a medal. And I'm like, I just, I don't see it,

I don't quite get it. And one of my mates, Paul goes, I come with me and we're at a friend's house and he took me into this other room and he put on a CD, it was, the Pantera's 92 album and he put the headphones on me, played track, I think it's track four this love and I listened to it

And I was like oh I get it And I went out and bought the album the next day and I reckon within a month I bought all the whole back catalog Yeah, it was like a really quick transition. That was a big influential moment. Yeah, really was it's one of those few Most I've never heard anything like this before. Yeah, I don't know. That was the song we got me into. So he just sat you down and said, listen to this. Yeah, basically, it was like a cliched movie. I wonder how many times he did that to friends and it just didn't work.

You was like, yeah, I get it. I mean, I mean, I reckon, you know, and you build up memories in your head, but I'm like, in my mind, my mouth opens. And I was like, whoa. Well, I mouth opens. And I was like, whoa. Well, I'm like your hair was just like blown back. It was my speaker stacks. Yeah. And then realized that someone would accidentally turn

on a big fan. Yeah. So yeah, so they took the name Pantera. And in the early years, they wore classic glam and hair metal kind of clothes, like leather and licra and studs and it's a real teased up hair, hip to hair spray. They really wore their influences on their sleeves and they, people talk about those early albums not very super favourably, they're sort of like pretty average versions of that style of music.

Do you listen to those too or do you, is that a time when you start? Not really, they're sort of with them, it's almost like, it's almost like you could almost compare it to Star Wars, like there's the prequels, but these were just released in actual chronological order. Right, yeah. And they're basically, they're very derided in the by the fans and even within the band. But I'll talk about that soon. So they, they're, they're, they had a few initial line-up changes, but then they set it on this line up for the 1983 release of their debut album,

Metal Magic. Yes. Which has some of the funniest cover art that I've ever seen. Let me show you guys. They got a friend to paint. Just picture and I know how you describe that. It's like Arnold Schwarzenegger holding like a giant weird knife and he's got the face of a demon wolf man. It's so good. It looks like a really good high school drawing. Yes, a doodle. Are they still in school? Ah, yeah, they're still there in their teens at this stage still. Right, so it does look like. It looks like a teenage band. It's age in a career, yes.

Yeah, I mean, their friends don't fucking love it. Yeah. I mean, it's like Arnold Schwarzenegger. It looks nude this beast, but it's wearing a belt. There's no pants on there, but it's wearing a belt. Wow, it doesn't have genitals. No genitals, no pants. They're a couple red flags for me.

Wow. And you're looking at this as... I don't know what. Are they just releasing this themselves? Or are they got like a little label? So they're releasing on their own label, which is metal metal metal magic. So on this album the line up was Daryl and the guitar going by the name Diamond Daryl. Yes. Vinnie Paul as Vinnie Paul, his classmate Rex Brown on bass going by the name Rex Rocker. The brown is pretty dull. I mean Rex is enough.

It's individual enough. Rex Brown, let's go. You can go. That's a rock song now. Rex Rocker. I love it. It makes me smile. Rex Rocker.

And Terry Glaze on vocals. The album included tracks including Ride My Rocket, Latest Lover, Sad Lover, and Rock Out. Yeah, Ride My, sad lover, and rock out. Yeah, ride my rocket. Ride my rocket. Oh man. Well, the subtleties of a high school band. Yeah.

They followed this up with 9 and 84's projects in the jungle. And 9 and 85's, I am the night, all released on the metal magic label. And is that dad recording before? And produced by Jerry Bob. That's fucking cool. He's also their manager. Oh, right.

So he's helping, he's just running the show really. Because I mean, they're underage at that stage, so he's getting them the gigs and all that sort of stuff. And they're, they're, you can have a decent sort of, decent following around the Texas scene, playing a lot of clubs and that sort of stuff. They started out playing a lot of covers

and then started building in their originals into their sets from these albums. Following on from I Am The Not, the Metal World was changing direction pretty broadly and in 86 and 87 huge albums released by the Big Four bands of Thrasch. Oh, I'm so annoyed at myself going on. Which Dave already mentioned, Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax and Megadeth. And Pantera were looking to move in a heavier direction. And vocalist Terry Glaze left the group. So they were listening, different members were listening to different releases of those

albums. The brothers were right into Metallica early. They said they saw them in their earlier stays and small shows. They were right up the front watching Metallica play. Anyhow. What is Terry Glaze doing now? Do you know? He went on to have moderate success with other bands,

but yeah, he... To me, he sounds like a bricklayer. Yeah, it's probably. You go on to have moderate success as a bricklayer? As a bricklay, yeah. Yeah. Terry, a window glazer. Thank you, it's probably. You don't have moderate successes of brick layer? As a brick layer, yeah. Yeah. Terry, a window glaze. Thank you. Yep. Well, sure. So that was, that was looking to move in this heavier direction. And without glaze, I needed a new vocalist shot. So many, they tried out many replacement singers. And they had a three year break, trying out different singers, playing different

gigs before Phil on Solmo was given the gig. Right, three years a long time. Two years younger than Darrell Phil was the youngest member of the group. In 1988, Pantera released their first album with on Solmo and Solmo. I feel like I've never had to say his name out loud. And Selmo, title, power metal. Power metal. Power metal. While still holding onto many of their old hair metal roots, this was their easily their heaviest album to date.

And I listened to it a few times the other night for the first time in ages. And it is quite like it. It's still pretty kind of hated on all those first four albums. I've seen it as a bit of a joke. but I reckon you can hear the progression as they go and I think it's I think it's a good album anyway But others definitely disagree is it like as power metal is now is it considered a genre is it actually power metal? No, it's not metal. It's like it it's somewhere between that hair metal style that glam rock style that they were and moving towards that more the power groove style that they

ended up basically inventing the the groove metal style of their 90s albums. But you can it fits it fits perfectly between the album before and the follow-up album. Yeah, it's a clear stepping stone between the two. But yeah, I think it's a good album. And this was their final self-released album and also their last working directly with Old Man, Joe Bob, good friend and father. But good friend and average father. Yeah, friend first, father second. Yeah, I don't want to cast the Spursions on him like he was some sort of dad character. Audio engineer third.

Yeah, it was more of a like a Rory and Rory's mum from that show, combo. Why can I not think of the name of the show, but I can remember. Gilmour girls. Or a lie. I was thinking of Ali McBeal. Ali McBeal, let's see what I was thinking of. Ali McBeal and Rory. Yep. The four self-dreconers, many podcasts that are all about Pantera that are also talking

about Rory and Laura live. Probably. Are we going to be seven? Good to be in the top seven. Yeah, we're number seven. Bring up the Rebo. That's a good thing about their being on the seven. You're definitely in the top 10. Yep, easy. The four self-released albums from the 1980s

were never re-released after their initial runs. And I think they, I think I read though, there are runs of about a thousand copies, something. Right, and are they available now on things like iTunes and Spotify and stuff like that? Or are they like, that's not really us? Yeah, it's basically been deleted from their history. It's unofficial, it's not canon sort of thing.

Right. Wow. Because I think they should have changed the name there. Yeah, no, that does feel like that would have made some sense, right? I found that interesting. But they're like, this name is so sweet, we just can't drop it. We can't drop it. I mean, it means panther in Spanish.

Pantera. So yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're asking for floating around. If you want to buy them, you're looking on eBay for a thousand plus bucks. Seriously. It doesn't do an album that probably sucks. Yeah, I guess it's just, I guess it's, it's all about scarcity in the market or whatever. Yeah, the truffles, no value that Nick Mason spoke about on the market. Yeah. Or the Superman.

Hmm. What was that? Yeah, the truffles of no value that Nick Mason spoke about on the muffled. Yeah. Or the Superman. Mmm. Was that... Uh, so yeah, they basically disowned them. Even their website, the official Pantera website on their discography page does not show them. Oh, wow, okay. That muscle man with no penis is not on their website. Fischwell, excuse me, that muscle wolf man. Muscle wolf man with no penis.

Yes. But a belt. That a beautiful belt. Uh, yeah, and I, you'd have to assume that a lot of that has got to with the change Muscle Wolfman with no penis. Yes, but a belt. But a beautiful belt. Yeah, and I, you'd have to assume that a lot of that has got to with the change in musical direction. They also now have funding and maybe they can better realize the sounds that they want to do, and they're getting closer to what they were trying to do maybe.

Or however, they've described it in different ways in interviews, but they don't talk about the old stuff very much. According to Vinnie Paul, after they finished power metal, they looked at themselves and said, you know what, these fancy clothes and all this crazy hair ain't planned music for us? We are. So we decided to drop the image

and focus more on the music and kick as much ass as possible. Yeah, all right. Hell yeah. As Vinnie Paul would say, the change happened quickly and everyone involved seemed to kind of take the credit for the change in direction. If any Paul kind of just did then, according to Jerry Bob Abbott, he received the following advice from a relative stranger who worked in the music business. The man said,

your band is too good. It does too many things well. And it's too diversified. They need to decide what they want to do. Do that one thing and somebody major will sign this band. And according to Jerry Bob, this podcast is too good, by the way. We need to turn back. We have too many facts.

We have too many jokes. Too much personality. We need to turn back to too many facts. Too many. We have too many jokes. Too much personality. Yeah. We need to pick one. Bage. That's my personality. Bage.

Bage. And I'm going to get this band signed. Bage. Bage. I love it. It's just a great and the retune. This girl was like, you're the best. If anything, you're too good for humans to hear.

Yeah. And we were like, you know what? Turn it down for our dummies. He's got a point. And this is how he responded. He said, I thought enough of what he said to tell the boys. They all smiled, looked at each other, and each one of them knew exactly what they wanted to do.

And that's what you hear on the next album, Cowboys From Hell. So he's, he's saying, I got a little advice, and I was the one who told him and that made them go, yeah, yeah, we're going to change direction now because of what that stranger said to you about us being too good. So he was happy to take the credit. Vinnie Paul sort of has, but also was singer Phil on Solmo stating in a 2010 interview, I showed them the fucking past man. stating in a 2010 interview, I showed them the fucking path man.

My favorite telling of the story so far. Yeah. Describing a Tommy play to Slayer song on vinyl to Fadaro in 1988, according to Phil, by the end of the song, Daryl was like, damn, son, that's badass. So right there and then I had really broken some headway according to Phil. So he was, he changes his mind with a bit of slayer vinyl.

Right, I wonder if your friend who showed you, Panterra in the first place would retell the story a different way. I'd loved it, yeah, I should be. My friend came in and said, I don't like any good music and I was like, she, I'm just gonna sit him down and I blew his mind. Well, I kind of, I mean, that's kind of how I told the story.

And then I said to him, you're too good for this party. You're gonna leave this guy down party. And I said, you're right. You have a lot of friends in the South, don't you? Yeah, I mean, I assume that you first had Pantera, the Texas band in Texas. Oh, it was in the South suburbs of Melbourne. Mmm, Texas.

Texas. The Texas of Melbourne, Texas T Which is oil not relevant to anything but a fun fun little phrase there something to say now Texas T in the old podcast. That would have been good, but there's too many facts black gold Texas T scale it down. Okay, great. We got to be less good. Yeah, less good. That's good. I'll do my best I'm doing my part. Yes, it's very subdued over that. I am struggling.

Luckily, we're doing a topic that she's finding fascinating. No, no, it's really interesting. And she knows a lot about Panteras, and she's holding back her own facts. No, but I love Matt's knowledge and passion. It is cool. It is cool. I'm also just eyeing off this chair and heater that are next to me, that are blocking, kind of blocking my exit to the door in case there is a vomit situation.

Is it how we get the bucket? It's been a long time since that's the bucket. At least that was like in the old studio where you had to run down two flats and stairs. Yeah, this is straight across the right way. I'm close. And if that happens, please do continue. Should we lift the seat in advance? No, I can probably do that.

I know. Oh, okay. Yeah. Just the one she's sitting on. Yeah. We'll carry you to the door. One of the vomits today, I did not have time to lift the seat. Oh.

The one in the cafe? Yeah. Did he? Oh, yeah. Anyway, sorry to mention. Was there any one else like around? Like, were people like eating their eggs and bacon and they get a seat here? No, I told you.

It's a separate enough. Thank God. It was awful. It's not been a good day. Did you eat anything at the cafe after? No, I had a bite of toast, thinking just some plain toast might help at a peppermint tear. So that was the time.

That's a great combo. And I took one bite of toast and was like, excuse me, and we went straight to the bathroom again through it. Excuse me? There was something wrong with this toast. It's making me vomit. I mean, yes, I've vomititted five times before I had a bite, but it's your fault and I shan't be paying.

If you can't stomach dry, plain toast, then I think something's gone wrong. You fucked. Allow me to do go on. Vinnie Paul also disagreed with the others saying that, you know, and he was certainly with Phil saying that he was the one who brought him to the heavier sound. This is what Vinnie Paul said,

because a lot of people have said, because in part because the timing also of them changing direction, Phil comes in, they take a little step towards this sound and then the next album is when they're sort of seen as starting this new thing. Even though it's not miles away from the one before, but when Phil gets said this is when they do tend to get heavier, but so a lot of people do correlate the two things. But anyway,

this is what Vinnie Paul says when people suggest that, he says, a lot of people think that Phil was the driving force behind the heaviness, but that's not true. My brother wrote the guitar riffs, I wrote the drum parts, we were fans of that's not true. My brother wrote the guitar riffs, I wrote the drum parts, we were fans of that kind of music. Pretty strong terms there. Yeah. He never said, he never said anything like, I showed them the fucking path man. Yeah, that's, I'm on that guy's team. You won't be wanting to hear more about him later, but a little sizzle there. Oh no, I've picked the wrong one again. I already don't like him because his name is Phil. He doesn't sound like a rock star, doesn't it?

Yeah, Phil, the rock star. Why don't I have an erect brown? Get him back in the band. Hi, I'm Phil. What do you do, Phil? I'm a rock star. I show people the fucking path, man. Okay, Phil.

Yeah, here's all the other cool rock stars in my band. Craig. Ian. Ian. Hey, you're not Ian on keyboards. Phil, we'll give you the login for our counting software. And maybe just let us do the bloody rock and roll. My Phil Rex Brown, you'll be happy to know is he never left. It was Terry.

Terry. Terry. Terry. Terry. What don't we all guys? We replaced Terry with some of his sounds, at least sounds like a rock star. Welcome Phil. I never really thought about that.

It was Darrell Terry. Vincent. Vincent and Rex. Rex is the only one. Rex Rocker. Rex, Rex Rocker. But did he go back to Brown later on? He went back to Brown later as well.

Yeah. So over this new direction in sound, and image was locked in, sort of, towards the late 80s. And they were maturing as a band, and despite having their new album, Cowboys From Hell, Written and Demoed, they were having no luck with major label interests. According to Vinny Paul, every major label had rejected them 23 times Feels very specific and I'm sure that was him been Doing that exaggerating thing. What's that word where you do things hyper he was being hyperbolic

hyperbolic hyperbolic hyperbolic While this was going on Darrell and you're the hungover one. While this was going on, Darrell was invited to audition with Thrasch Metal Legends, Mega Death. Really? According to Vinnie, Mega Death frontman Dave Mustaine actually offered him the job. Now what we call our band Death. No, no, no, it needs to be bigger.

Big Death? No. Bigger. Huge Death. Not, no, no, it's bigger. Big death? No. Bigger. Huge death. Not that big. Ultra death. Oh, that's not bad. That probably exists in the memory.

That's probably better than what we are going to choose, which is mega death. Mega death. I like the name anyway. And why did too? It was fun to pull them apart sometimes. The second name is Dave. Dave, yeah, Dave Mustaine.

Mustaine. I thought it was Dave Mustaine. I was gonna say that is a fucking name. That's great. Hey guys, I'm Dave Mustaine. You know anything about Dave Mustaine as an aside? No, please don't. He was an early member of Metallica.

He was booted and Kirk Hammett came in to replace him from Exodus, another one of the big thrash metal bands Who Panta are actually toured with later on but so there's a lot of movement movement around different bands But he he never really forgave him Dave must say even though he formed a band. That's sold really well So like maybe the second second or that'd be obviously top four, but probably top two or three selling metal bands of all time But he's never really lost that chip on his shoulder. He's still there was a documentary about metallographies ago called Fuse ago called

Some kind of monster and he was featured in it and you could tell he had not moved on despite so much success Wow and instead of being the you know one of the guitarists and not the frontman of this band, he moved on to be the main man in this band that was so successful and he still hasn't been able to get over it's a bit sad really. He's got so many classic influential albums of his own, written all his own, and his own. Yeah, that's crazy, isn't it? It's like, well, the Metallica main not have been what Metallica is if you hadn't left and Megadeth certainly wouldn't be.

Yeah, it feels like it's win-win. And he just thought he was roughly done by being kicked out. He was like, he drank too much. And I think he sort of accepts that he was trouble at the time, but he thinks they should have tried to look after him, bring him back. In the matter, I'll just cut him loose. Yeah. But yeah, he's a fascinating character. And, yeah, a metal legend.

Please don't cut me loose. I want to do this again. I'll do, Jelike, he also came up with a name Megadeth. I don't know if this is 100% true or not, but I believe it's so that they would be right next to but just in front of Metallica and see it yourself. Oh, wow. I don't know if that's true or it's coincidental

but it feels like a big coincidence if that's not the case. MEG, rather than MAT. I love when people think marketing like that. Yeah. So, you know, that's why they went with Mega instead of super big death. What about metal death? Metal death.

That's pretty good. That's even closer to metallic. Yeah, that would have been touching. Top of that. A metallicer. No, that would be in the icing. Exactly. The number one, I am a metallicer.

Yeah, get it nice. Really? We really bit sucked in yeah, cuz people people when they shopping for middle obviously start at the at the stop at the city section They with the offer The offer of joining mega death and were they popular yet? Or are they just starting out? Yeah, no, there was they were already already a pretty big band like so they they were already a pretty big band. Like, so they'd already released big influential albums by that stage.

So they were, it would have been a big well-paid job because as well as being offered the job, it would have come with health insurance, a Nike endorsement or Nike endorsement, and obviously a lot of money. Wow, Megan had a Nike endorsement? Yeah, it was a... I'm more impressed with health insurance. Yeah, I mean, in America, that is a huge deal.

That's so grown up. It is very grown up. And I think a lot of people in America don't necessarily get that. But if you join, obviously, if you join a thrash metal band, that's what you're gonna get. You know when parents are like, oh, I really just hope my kids take a steady job

in thrash metal or something that'll pay the bills. Don't chase your dreams. Don't back, does it have benefits? Well, actually, yes. Well, you know, Don Bag is very different because his dad was his mate. Yeah. Right, you know.

He did not have a father figure. Yeah, but. But. Does it come with sweet times? Woo-hoo-hoo! Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that advice doesn't come with sweet times. Oh, yeah, yeah. So so Darrell was off of this gig guitar guitar. Is that right?

Yeah. Yeah, guitar for Megadeth, but he was loyal to his brother and he said he would only join Megadeth if they also wanted to hire his brother as well. To do the drumming. Yes. It was the real drummer Megadeth was like, what? Yeah, there was already a drummer.

So there was no position. So he said he wouldn't join. Also, I want to be the singer. And I want to write the songs. And I want the band to be called Pantheer. But can we still get that knocky deal? Yeah, the health insurance. I really need that health insurance.

And the money. So this personal sacrifice by Darrell meant that the rest of the band really attacked things with a new focus. They're like, oh, he's giving up mega death. Then we really have to make this work. Let's give him mega life. Yeah. In 1989, the band finally caught a bit of luck.

Judea, a wreck. Isn't that amazing? Judeo, I just wish that's in the stop there. They caught a bit of luck. Judeo-Hurricane. Well, that, I mean, you couldn't finish the sentence there. Please do. But would you like me to...

In 1989, the band finally caught a bit of luck Judeo-Hurricane. Amazing. Next paragraph. But yeah, Judeo- to a hurricane, this big news when a record executive named Mark Ross had to take an unplanned stopover in Dallas due to the weather. He asked his boss if there was anything he could do while he was there and his boss told him he'd been following this unsigned band named Pantera and asked Mark to go check him out and see if there were any good life. Mark's another name that's not very rockster. Yeah,

it's Mark Ross. Mark. Rock on, Mark. Mark, we've got a couple of bongos. You went any good on those? Ian, given the keys to the bongo drawer. Oh, Mark, you got skills, mate. go draw. Oh Mark you got skills mate. Yeah one of the one of their first songs was the full house theme. Give it a bad out. So are you singing? Yep sure was. Dig it on. Did you see Arnie Donna recently met Bob Sagitt from the full house? I did two podcasts with him. I love that. That's so good. I mean, how about they have a Nike deal and health insurance?

Didn't Terry Jones from Monty Python go and see the one that last two? Eric Roddle and Dylan Morris as well. They just hang out with the big wigs now. Oh, legends. They're too cool for us now. Yeah, they're dead about that. RIP.

Yeah. RIP. That's no one, yeah. Not being cool. So Vinnie Paul had spoken to so many execs that he didn't get his hopes up when Mark called. Mark Coultermore said, you're playing tonight. And Vinnie Paul said, this is Vinnie Paul quoting himself

years later, well dude, we're not really playing a gig tonight. Well, we've got a birthday party that we're playing for this chicken, a Mexican restaurant in Fort Worth. Feel free to check it out. So cool. And the record execs like, wow, these guys sound like they've really hit the big time.

I'm gonna check him out at this 21st that I'm mixing in restaurants. So they were playing in the corner of a Mexican restaurant in front of about 40 people. So for them at that stage, even for them it was a small show. They were playing on the floor in the corner. And the corner they were like I hope you enjoy your burrito. This song's called Mexican Cowboy Death. That's good. Do they have a song called Mexican Cowboy Death. That's good, right? Do they have a song called Mexican Cowboy Death?

No. Oh, missed opportunity. They never recorded one anyway, I'm sure that was probably. Yeah, early on. There's a demo of that somewhere. Around four songs in of the vibe was strange. And they say that there was a bit of a weird vibe. Everyone was a bit drunk, cake was flying around everywhere.

The floor was slippery due to so much cake. So they were watching this step. They were worried about slipping over. About four songs in the exact, just walked out. And Vinnie Paul, remember seeing you as well, there goes that big shot again. And about four songs later though, the exact comes back in.

And after the set, Vinnie asked him, he goes, what did you think, dude? And he said, I loved it. It was incredible. So Vinnie says, well, why'd you leave, dude? And he said, I went out to the carder called a boss and tell him, we're signing you guys. Oh, wow, dramatic. That is so cool, very cool. I'm really well told by Vinnie Paul. He absolutely now set the story. He tells everything.

Yeah, he shows them the fucking path. No, that's Phil. That's Phil. Oh yes, sorry, but Phil was performing at the Mexican restaurant. He was, that's true. Hey guys, welcome to the Mexican restaurant. I'm Phil. Oh, yes, sorry, but Phil was performing at the Mexican restaurant. He was, that's true. Hey guys, welcome to the Mexican restaurant. I'm Phil. Oh, boom.

Oh, boom. Oh, fuck off, Phil. The birthday girl was her favorite band. She out, it was a special request. That's cute. Was it a favorite cake that was flooding the floor? Yes. Of course it was.

A waste of cake. It's a dumbest question you've ever asked. God, Dave. And along with the dumb questions, Dave. The list is so long. Dave. Imagine Dave in a band. Yeah, Dave Mustang.

Dave Grohl. Imagine. That's ridiculous. Crazy. Now with the financial backing of a major label, Pantera went into the studio to record the album that they see as their official debut. This is the one that is actually listed on their website's discography. Right, right. Is it still the

they stick with the cowboy title? Yeah, Cowboys from Hell. So that's a great title. That's an idea that so apparently Vinnie Paul came up with that name. He liked the idea of that. Phil thought it was a bit lame, but they wrote a song around that name and that was the opening track. Yeah, Mexican cowboy dance. There's also, for people including you too, saw me at my Melbourne Community Festival shows. The song I came out to on stage at the Southern show. It's Cowboys from Hell. Dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, dunin, Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalal I have to check with your sister on that one, too. Yes. Sorry, I was being Vinny. Right.

He's great. Great brother. Terrible drama. Terrible. You heard so many injuries. Yeah. Always buddy, banging a while and then legs. After the album was released on July the 24th, 1990,

they hit the road performing around 300 shows on the first run of their tour, which is pretty hectic in a van, building up a following with word of mouth. And around this time they toured supporting exodus and suicidal tendencies in America and Judas Priest in Europe. I think their manager set up the tour with suicidal tendencies. And Judas Priest though, they were doing a show on it in a town in American Rob Halford

from Presizing, front man was there. And they go, you gotta come up and play with us. And they go, and you go, what do you know any Presongs? And they're like, fuck, do we know any Presongs? And then they just went up and played a bunch of Presongs. You did almost the whole set with them. He did cool. Just because he was at their gig.

Yeah, and then he ended up taking them on tour in Europe. Apparently they had found it really tough in Europe, because no one knew them over there. And you know, metal crowds can be pretty rough to support acts when they don't know all moon stuff. I remember saying Metallica a few years back. And the support band was this cool rock band from New Zealand called the Datsons. I don't even know them. Oh yeah, yeah. That's a good name. And they and the crowd

they were they were just the crowd at the front what is booing them. I know the back towards the back it was at the My Music Bowl and they were just booing. The thing goes up and the other whole time. It's like, what? Why? It's so weird. This is real tough. And the front man from the death,

since I loved it because he says a lot of the abuse was coming up from up on the hill and he kept going, sorry, guys, I can't hear you from the chaperace. It's a real fun little, little gentle ribbing back love that love that Exodus are great. They that's the band I was talking about before who they've had so many line-up changes I saw them about 10 years ago. They were still real good, but suicidal tendencies one of my favorite bands I reckon they've like they rode out so many different they kind of Followed my my taste a bit though of that California and punk thrash

Into the heaviest staff and they've gone down all these different paths. What a journey they've been on. What a journey. I wear a suicidal tendencies hoodie sometimes and I forget those words mean other things. I'll write the people in mind I know the band. I'll be like I wear it in a job interview or something and people are like, you're a Kaymate. Why are you wearing a hoodie to a job interview? I'm a fucking badass.

That was their main. They didn't look at the words. They looked at the hood. It was like really? Yeah, it was like probably a bad example. Right, it's summer. Take it off. It was the interview was for being the company bad ass.

Oh yeah, you built the job. Yeah, thank you. Who's ready to get a warm head at any moment? Yeah, it's a very niche role, but I bloody grabbed it with both hands. Try them the fucking path. I'm going to, um, you keep going. I'm just going to step out real quick. Why?

No reason. Um, oh, well, while you're gone, I'll just tell David step out real quick. Why? No reason. Um, Oh, while you're gone, I'll just tell Dave a funny little anecdote that I have here. It doesn't really fit in anywhere. Um, she is leaving the studio. She played it so cool. She took a headband off. I thought she was just getting some air for a year. Yeah. You know when your ears get real hot? Oh, yeah. Dave, you want me to tell you a little anecdote? I'll a little anecdote from the road. So from the road? From the road. From the road.

Your day's on the road with the pants hair is days on the road. Sorry. Forget that you're not in the road. No, I'm not in the road. So the first time I went to Canada, they got to the border and Darrell was driving and this is Phil tells the story says the border control guy got asked him Nationality and Darrell replied oh, I guess regular And they probably they were like well that's something to the cool it up here. So they They they made him drive to the side and they did a full search They found traces of cocaine and weed. Well, this guy is off his chops.

We've got to search the car. Regular. But yeah, apparently there was only traces so they ended up, they couldn't charge him so they were allowed to go through. In Moscow, this is, I don't know if you've heard of this, there used to be a big festival circuit called the Monsters of Rock, big outdoor festivals.

Right, so across Europe, isn't it? Yeah, across Europe. I think it was through America as well, but this one in particular, they didn't play that many of them, but they played this one that I've seen footage of so many times, and I never really knew what it was about. I always thought it was this, I'd heard it was this huge, it was like bringing rock music to the Soviet Union,

but I think I've read that there were gigs prior to this. It was the first big outdoor, a rock concert, yeah. Was it with multiple acts or? Multiple acts, including Pantera, but only at that stage, it only released Caboist from Hell, you know, it was an official big release, but they were supporting Metallica and ACDC. Well, that is a lot of that is. And there's, I've read so many varied reports of it,

some from the time and some from looking back. Yeah, for people who are like, it was so good. And then, but the numbers, I've seen footage and it looks like you could tell me any number and I'd believe you, but I've seen some sites around 150,000 from reports of the time. I've also seen reports saying 1.5 million. What? How do you vary a number that much? The people on the door just lost control of the little clicky thing for the people. Yeah, people hang on. Was that 10,000? Was that 100,000? Oh, and it's gone back to the start. Is that it? This only goes up to one thousand. Oh, how many times I hit one thousand? Was it one thousand? Or was it only a hundred?

Oh, I'll just write down between 150 and 1.5 million. The footage is great. There's just so many people, such a cool thing. And I was film with massive film crew. And I, I always thought it was this cool independent sort of thing, but obviously it wouldn't have been. I must have been so much effort to put it on. And I was backed by I think time, war or something like that. And they filmed and released a documentary about it, like a feature length docker about it. Just about the whole gig. Yeah. And there were I think, docker about it. Just about the whole gig. Yeah, and there were the footage of the security,

like the Soviet security with big truncheons and just like hitting pe... It was like, stay back. A wild show, but... And I... How they got onto that at such an early stage is pretty incredible. And are they getting a good reception? Or are they getting flipped off and talking?

No, I think... Yeah, they were, I think, at that point, Russians will like, how cool is this that, that were, right, yeah, that they're coming in. Right, yeah, that they're coming in. Right, yeah, that they're coming in. Right, yeah, that they're coming in. Right, yeah, that they're coming in. Right, yeah, that they're coming in.

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Right, yeah, that they're coming in. Right, yeah, that they're coming in. Right, yeah, that they're coming in. Right, yeah, that they're coming in. Right, yeah, that they're coming in. Yeah, so it's, that's, that's pretty great. And their friends with both Metallica and Megadeff despite this rivalry. Well, yeah, then there's sort of rivalry, there's sort of Egos and Ravaries in each direction. And I think they sort of get on in different ways. We hear different people telling different stories.

It feels like a very bitchy sort of scene. There's a lot of, for something that like presents itself is so tough. Yeah, it's often a lot of hurt feelings, and he goes, being bruised and stuff like that. And we came up with this, you've ripped us off. And yeah, it's pretty fascinating. It would be, make for a great, it would ruin all the mythos of it,

but I haven't like a reality TV show about these guys. Oh, yeah. Like, which is basically what some kind of monster was for Metallica. They took no control over the cut or anything, I think Metallica. And I really showed them to be not really connected to reality that much. And kind of making really weird lame decisions. And they had this guy, this therapist come in, wearing like real classically sort of dad sweaters, and he was trying to heal them,

bringing them back together inside Metallica. And then he was getting so comfortable, because it was there with him every day, they would show him he would be there at recording sessions, sort of like, bopping along. And then there was this one scene where he's written a few words on a thing

and he's given it across suggested lyrics. And he's a therapist. He's not even a music idol. He should say, he's exactly what you picture, like a middle-aged therapist, wearing dad sweaters and glasses and just so funny, just like, and I think they fired him soon after.

He was getting a bit too comfortable, but yeah. I love that. Love that. Welcome back back Jess. Thank you. How was it? Fine. You feeling alright?

Sure. Feeling better now. No. Oh no. I'm sorry to laugh there but that was a good I get quite insensitive. No, it's fine. I didn't throw up. I'm okay.

You didn't. No. I want to but I didn't. You look good. Yeah. I feel great. Grime, yeah. Thanks, mate. Basically, we feel great. Grime. Yeah, thanks. Basically, we've just had a little chat about Metallica. Great.

Well, I've been going on way to listen back. So back to Pantera critically and commercially, they went from strength to strength from here from the early 90s, um, Cowboys from Hell Release. Their follow up album was 1992's Volga Display of Power, which is the album that my friend Grazby played me at that party. Oh, right, right. And this album is seen by many to be their masterpiece. Um, though a lot of the albums through the 90s, um, a scene has been great in different ways. And some that aren't seen as great, like great, I reckon a bloody great.

But anyway, um, I think all, I love every album they released from from Cowboys hell onwards Some say there was a bit of a drop off at the end, but I think it was anyway. Doesn't matter. I'll get to that So vulgar displays as soon as being their masterpiece Was their heaviest album to date? And it included the iconic metal track walk. Don't you know that song song. Oh yeah, it's got that riff, doesn't it? Yeah, it does go. Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. And probably the only song I've ever really recognized.

Yeah. If you look on Spotify, that would be the one with the most plays. Yeah. It's one of the ones that would be covered. If you go to a metal show and someone wants to pay tribute to probably Vinnie Paul at current metal shows, I bet it's been played around the world. Yeah.

Because every metal band would know how to play it pretty much. Was it like the opening track? Is that how the arm starts? No, the opening track is Math 4. It's the third track on there. And this love, I've just had a look here, track 5. So I've made a buddy fool in myself. They're fucking host styles number 4. Is it called fucking hostiles host styles number four Oh, is it called fucking hostiles at hostile now. It's called fucking

Just being pissed off you were editorial Fucking fucking hostile Yeah, so it went super well sold really well and this was them jumping up again from the last one super well sold really well and this was them jumping up again from the last one. They also little things like last little bits of that 80s style that they had remaining on Cowboys from Hell. There's a few bits, you know, that operatic sort of high pitched, I don't know what the musical term for that is. You know that metal style, are they seeing that?

Oh yeah, they're really high. Yeah, like that priest sort of style. There were still a few moments of that. Bit of deep, powerful style. Few moments of that on Cowboys from Hell, but that was all gone by Volga Display. And the album eventually went on to become two times platinum in the US and platinum in Australia, while also charting in countries like Finland, Austria and Germany, pretty high up in their charts as well. That's crazy. Do you know that you would you be familiar with the cover out of that album?

It's kind of iconic. I can show it to you Yeah, that's great. So it's a man being hit in the face with a fist. Yes And I mid punch there. I didn't realize this I'd heard the story about it And I mid punch there. I didn't realize this I'd I'd heard the story about it How it was done and I and I realized that there's a bit of controversy of how true that all is So this is the story behind the art the story I knew Which I've heard told by band members and stuff was that the record label paid a man $10 per punch until they got the right shot. And supposedly it took him about 30 or so punches to get it. So we got paid 300 or so bucks to be punched or to punch to be punched.

Oh God. Yeah, which sounded like a wild story. But I'm like, all right, it's the 90s, I guess. I don't know what rules will like back then, but a record label. Yeah. Yeah. But I read recently that was all bullshit. And yeah, but I've heard the band repeat that story. So I don't know if they believe it or if they just enjoyed the The legend of it. Yeah, it's a good legend. Yeah. What a good legend. What a legend. Hey, we paid this idiot 300 bucks to punch him in the face 30 times and the best part is we got the photo on the first go

What a fuck with. We're Pantera. It means Panthorne Spanish. Yeah, they come off well, but I mean, this is the label, right? They weren't doing this themselves. Sure, sure. It just makes the label feel like this major label at Co. I don't know, I just didn't sound right, but yeah,

apparently it is bullshit. And someone tracked down the photographer Bruce Gucci, G-U-I-C-A. Yeah, she even a band. Brad Gucci. He debunked it, saying it was a very rehearsed setup with the fist moving and pushing the model's face hard to achieve the look, but not at all punched.

He used a bunch of tricks, including using strobe lighting, a fan to blow his hair, and playing with shutter speed and angles, camera angles, to get the shot right. Whatever the truth is, it's bloody iconic artwork. I can't believe the photographer though in this case. Interesting. He may have been there. Although, I mean, at the same time, him going, yeah, that's right, I photographed a man being beaten. Doesn't make him sound all that good either.

I feel that you can take 30 punches to the face. Yeah, it feels like you've brought sure to be broken quickly. 30. Yeah, that doesn't sound right. You kill someone. But also, you'd be like, I mean, if I'm going to get punched in the face once for 10 bucks,

I'd prefer to walk away with 300. Sure. And it's the 90s. And it's the 90s, round. That goes a long way. Yeah. That goes a long way. I mean, you'd get punched.

It would cost you probably 30, 40 bucks a punch, these days. Oh, easily. There I go. Yeah. Carry the two. After the success of... After the success of Vologue display, the pressure was on with the follow-up album. According to bass player Rex Brown, the record company was pushing for something like Metallica's black album. We were like, no, that's not going to happen. Instead, they once again made

their heaviest album yet. According to Phil, our top priority with Fabrion Driven was to make a balls-out heavy metal record with no compromising. This is also the album where Darryl was first built as Dimebag Darryl, which is the Moniker he's still known as. So this day... He was diamond. Diamond. So it's, yeah, it's not a huge change, but dime bag means it's some sort of drug term. Yeah, I think it's in a certain amount of marijuana. And you got that for a dime, like it's. Yeah, dime bag. That must have been a long time ago.

And a dime is what, 20 cents? Fuck, I mean, these are all very easily Google things. Ha, ha, ha. Ask Jess something about spewing, and I'll look at what diamonds. No, no, no, I'm finding it hard to turn my head to look at you. It's making me really dizzy. Oh, God, what happened when you look at me? Because you're straight ahead for me, so that's okay.

Yeah. So Matt, I'm not ignoring you. I'm just trying not to throw up. Go towards the light. Me. No. Yeah, there's a dime bag and nickel bag is another, let me get a nickel bag. A dime is a ten cents in the US of A. And a dime bag according to Dictionary.com is a specified

amount of an illegal drug packaged and sold for a fixed price. So according to that, I guess it doesn't necessarily mean it was worth a dime. That does sand shape. Maybe it started out. That would make sense. I believe that. It's a long time ago. One blade of grass, please.

That's how they do it, right? It's blades of grass. Understanding. You get it. I get drugs, guns. 120 blazer. Yeah, blazer. Blazer, one blade of grass. All right. It's like a bug's gun. It's like a bug's gun. It's like a bug's gun. It's like a bug's gun. It's like a bug's gun.

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quite extend to the artwork. According to Vinnie Paul, the original artwork idea was metal up your ass. And the artwork depicted someone literally copying metal up their ass in the form of a big drill bit. So it feels like it's sort of somehow, I mean, this is a few years on from high school now. Now they're in their mid-20s. Maybe even towards their late 20s still. Still funny.

Oh, not compromised. We will not compromise on this But even though the label agreed initially they came back three days later and said We can't get this in a Walmart target and retail and it's gonna kill us So they compromised we found a guy and said we'll give you ten dollars for each drill We put up your ass and it took 30 drills But we got the shot. We got the shot. Or Walmart didn't like it.

So we've had to take the money off the guy. We told him we don't use any of it. You don't get paid for the drill. But he was confident we'd use it. It's beautiful, but he's always got a beautiful butt. Target and Walmart, not a friend. They don't like drills. Yeah.

We thought about a metal ruler. Yeah, but bunnings, they were willing to take the stock instead. Maybe an American equivalent of bunnings. Those are the hardware store. Yeah, something Tim Allen was associated with. Sorry, Jess. Tim Allen, if you are assuming that sound meant that you went quite short. No, me needing to throw up.

It was funny, Tom, because I was talking about this got Tim Allen right he was Um, it was huge it was it was a real tool man. Oh, no, it was more like I can't just can't make that noise. She might vomit. I'm a woman. Oh Not good. Sorry, Bob. I know. I'm a bummer. I'm a bummer. Not good. Sorry, bummer. I know, I'm sorry. Everyone's world, sorry. I'm sorry you're feeling that way. I know it's the fucking worst.

It's not good. Look, we're beyond halfway. We're far beyond halfway. This album's called Far Beyond Driven, so little plan was there. No, it's not. But so they said we wouldn't be able to get it into the big retars. We need to compromise and they did. They compromised. The artwork can still instead depict a drill going to someone's head.

All right, mate, we've shoved 30 jewels up your ass. Got some bad news. It's going to have to be a head. We're going to have to drill up your ass, got some bad news. It's gonna have to be your head. We're gonna have to drill into your head. 30 bucks a pot. 30 bucks, that's nice. It's super stylized. I think it's an artist impression of it, I'm pretty sure. It's a blue cover and the drill's gone straight into the forehead.

But it looks sort of like a, it's a pretty cool looking cover, but yeah, it is. And Walmart, we're cool with that? Yeah, that's the interesting thing I wonder how they would feel about it now but um uh to spot all this the album was uh released and debuted at number one on the mainstream American charts. That's awesome. Number one first ever extreme metal album to get to number one. That's huge. I think arguably still they heaviest album ever to make it number one. I don't know if that's even super disputed. It also made number one in Australia,

debuted number one in Australia as well. I think Australia is obviously per capita and is one of the biggest sort of support bases. And it made to number two in New Zealand. Wow. It was a monster hit and is arguably still the heaviest album ever to Chart in Australia and America. I can't. You think surely not chart but number one. Sorry number one. Yeah. Can you think of anything else to get that high?

Like it seems bizarre to have an album that heavy up that high. Right. Well, all of Metallica's got a number one But they are heavy the Metallica's they are yeah, this album certainly is They they did get pretty heavy at times with times Metallica, but yeah, I never was as heavy as this one. Not that there's why heavier music than this album, but... Yes, we number one on the legit chart, not even the rock chart. Yes, it was also an interesting time for metal because it kind of was By this stage metallic or even they'd sort of basically drop metal. They were done playing with sort of alternative rock stuff And sort of country cut the hair off and everyone cut their hair. Yeah load and reload years Some people said that they would boy cut the band because they cut their hair off

Metal people are weird. Yeah, they're just intense. I know they like in a certain way, and if you don't do it, they flick the finger off and boo you. Yeah, it's interesting. But it was sort of grunge was the big thing at the time. Sure. Of course, yeah. Which was kind of a big backlash against that 80s hair metal scene, where it was all money and California

sort of bright colors and that sort of stuff. So they ended up being like if you saw what they wore in those days, it was very grungy looking aesthetic, pantera sort of had. The album also garnered the band's first Grammy Award nomination for best metal performance for the song I'm broken. That's cool. And they lost it to SoundGarden for their song Spoon Man, which is a great song. Spoon Man.

It's a cool song, but it's not a metal song. No, I think often in that category there's this rock band. Yeah, it's a confusing category, I think, but it's also like we talked about way back. Do we do an Academy Award? Mm, yeah. Yeah, so in that, do we talk about Grammys? It's a similar sort of idea.

The Academy Award episode, you talked about how it's like, it's mainly middle-aged to old white men. What, men? So if it's similar for the Grammys, which I'm not sure, but I'm kind of assuming it is, then often it does seem to favor older bands, and bands get best album awards when it was probably really being awarded for their album for a few years ago. Oh, from there. From there.

It's like, well, you two are a great band. They've had a lot of success, so let's give them the Grammy for this one. Yeah, because we know them, you know, there's some sort of a lag going on or something. It's like back one for their album, so many years after it. So many years after people stopped caring about back. I think it's a really nice album, but it was kind of like very similar to C-Change from 10 years earlier. And that was a big one, yeah. C-Change, and like, yeah had this whole period of quite influential albums,

but they didn't win anything. Yeah, it's... But I think that that C-Change wasn't nominated though. I wasn't right, on the go. They were nominated three more times, so that same award, but they never took it out. Always losing to Sound Garden. Three men won four years in a row.

Amazing. Spoon Man re-release. They were like, I'm looking through the list. There were a lot of songs that were out from different years, sometimes a live version of a song from years before. And yeah, it seems like a weird category. Cracks were starting to appear in the band.

So they really reached the peak and this is where things started, slowly fall apart. Phil started to become more distance, distance from the band as he started medicating, self-medicating for chronic back pain. He was abusing drugs like heroin. Told you he was a bad drummer. He hit himself in the back.

That's hard to do. He fills the singer. I'm not going to tell you again. Oh, well, they all all the same fucking boring name. Vinnie Paul and Phil. Good luck, mate. Mate, the only one I can remember. Good luck telling that to a jury. The only one I can remember is Rex Brown. Rex Brown. Yeah, I don't, it's fine. He's sort of...

I see the best player. He's a real libel. Yeah. He sounds reliable. He's sort of the... He doesn't play the two major warring parties kind of in the band of the brothers who get along great, you know, they some have said that they never they were never seen to argue or anything with each other and feel on the other side. That was sort of the big two parts. Rex was kind of caught in the middle a little bit. Right. So, okay, so it's Phil who's got a bad back and he's on heroin. Yes. The first time the rest of the band were aware of this, apparently, was

on July 13th, 1996, when Phil OD'd, and apparently his heart stopped beating for about five minutes. Oh, that's too many minutes. Yeah. He was saved by paramedics and he woke up in hospital the next day. Yeah, this is it really does seem to have affected him. He looks different. He what before and after that incident. I don't know about that incident, but like in recent years, obviously people look different, but his face seems different. Like it feels like drugs have affected him badly. And this is my very medical opinion, not based on, you know, obviously, because I forget to say it, but my full name is Matt Schulte MD. You're humble about it.

Yeah, well, the MD stands for Mega Dick. Mega Dick Head. According to Vinnie Paul, that's when the band and him started separating and he started demanding his own tour bus. to Vinnie Paul. That's when the band and him started separating and he started demanding his own tour bus. We'd see him before the show and then he'd be gone. And you never knew which Philly you were going to get. You might get the pit bull that we all knew and loved or you might get some dude who was completely whacked out on heroin. Like the pit bull was the good him. Yeah, that's not a good sign. No.

Where's the Pitbull? We want the Pitbull. That's Mr. Worldwide. Is that? Yeah. I'm just going to go to the bathroom. Okay, great. I'm just going to breeze through the next couple of albums.

Right. Okay, great. Just just popping out briefly. I can't help but take this personally. I know. Dave, do you think she hates Bantera that much? I think she just hates music. Yeah.

Life. Right. I haven't even gone into why feels a bit of a fuckhead yet. Well, I mean, it sounds like you're about to, he's showing himself to be a fuckhead. Yeah. He's a pit bull on his good days. But I think he would still, because I think we're bands, you know, the vocalists, the lyricists, they are sort of the direct line into the fans.

So I think fans will usually instinctively connect most with the singer. So I think that probably has happened a lot with them as well. But in this case, it's kind of, it's a bit of like a van hailing. So they'll be influenced by Van Haillen or Van Haillen or big influence of them. And it's a similar sort of idea, I guess, like there was the David Lee Ross as the front man and that, but the heart and soul of the band of Van Haillen is probably Eddie Van Haillen. Van Haillen, right. Yeah. And his brother on drums. So do you feel that that's the same way the Pantera, people always think of it as the brother's band? Well, I don't think so. I think it probably is divided and things that might

happen in recent times, but I reckon back then maybe I think people do think, you know, feel he's the one at the front. Right, but that would probably piss the brother's off because they started it all and it's like their thing. There'd be an element of that I suppose. And also him and and people go and he was the one who changed the direction of the band and stuff. Yeah, right. That's what they want to be like. No. But I think it sounds like that isn't really what brought up tensions. What brought up tensions was that Phil would go away. He'd sort of, he was starting to abuse drugs and was distanced from him. At least is how they tell it. From his side, he says, you know, they didn't communicate with him very well. He was always there. Right. If they could

just call him and talk to him. But yeah, I don't know. If he's asking for a different tool bus and those sort of things. Do you think he's still putting on a good show, like he's being professional once the gig starts? I'm gonna talk about it soon, including a show that I was at. But I, I think it definitely was a thing. And that's what Vinnie was talking about there. They didn't know which one they were going to get. That was on stage as well. Oh, right.

So some show he'd kill it. He's the people. I think that's what he means. He'd be, you know, we'd be, he'd be on stage as well. Oh, right. So some show he'd kill it. He was the people. I think that's what he means. He'd be, you know, he'd be, he'd be on stage and be right in it. And then other days he'd just be, he'd be sort of whacked out. You know, that's in Vinnie Paul's words. Oh, yeah. And he is quite a poet.

He is Vinnie Paul resting piece. I've been watching a lot of Vinnie Paul videos lately. He's, he's a very lockable character and an interviewer or something like that. Bloody hell. Um, so the band forged on, um, despite these, these troubles are coming up, they kept working together. Um, and they released the great Southern trend kill in 9 and 96, which is probably my favorite album of theirs, or reckon. Um, and then re-inventing the steel in 2000.

Both albums charted, number two in Australia, and number four in America. So they're still selling, selling... Yeah, this is the Nero S.E.D. is actually selling very well. Exactly. So those, yeah, being charting high actually means something's still working.

So number four, then would sell more than number one now. Yes, so yeah, Oric reckon that would definitely be true. But despite this, the band was starting to fall apart. Phil was spending more and more time away with his other bands, which he'd formed like through the years. Okay, any other. He wasn't forming all now. Down and super joint ritual are probably the two biggest ones

down in particular. I don't know if you know much about them. None of them have gone on to be as big as Pantera, but they they have you know big bands. I saw down supporting Ronnie James Dio. Geno Dio. Yeah, what's his being ban he came in after all the black Sabbath. Yeah, so I saw a black Dio fronted black Sabbath and down supported them. That's been in 10 years ago, something as well. Yeah, back on all of his bloody young bucko

and it's a dance. See, did too. Dio is, yeah. Yeah, he must have started a couple of years ago now. He's like, he's very revered in the middle world. Yeah, cool. Which is interesting, because it doesn't always go that way

when if you're replacing a legend, that's hard. Yeah, yeah, that is cool. It gets credit in my life. It doesn't often happen where it comes off and yeah, you're still really loved. I think it happened, obviously it happened with ACDC pretty famously. That went pretty well. Yeah, they've gone on to where the next album was the biggest selling band album of all time. Yes.

Yeah, that's right. Back in black. Yeah. And yeah, I's right, back in black. Yeah. And yeah, I like one that happens. People are able to move on. I think that it's easier for that to happen with if the singer dies maybe, because they're like,

there's no sort of bitterness. Oh, right, yeah, the show. You should have forced them out of the band. Yeah, no one's blaming anyone. Yeah, whereas I think Van Haar and Sammy Hager, I've had a bit harder, maybe coming in after David Lee Roth, although Sammy Hager had some massive hits, but people still would say that his era wasn't so good.

So where's Sammy, I've got on to Van Halen now. What? Jess is back? Very professional. How did it go? Oh, I definitely spewed that time. He did? Oh yeah.

Well, I'm so glad you can confirm it. Yes. I hadn't thought about this, but what I'm nearly, what I'm about to talk about is so relevant to just spewing, or at least spewing. Is it potentially triggering for someone who's going to vomit? No, when after you spew and you've got a good half hour, you feel good.

Yeah. Oh, you feel good. You feel a million bucks for half an hour. It was almost like whatever that was was the sole problem, was in that. And every time you're like, I'm done now. Oh, and then but then it starts building again. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I'm done now. Thank you.

My point is, we've got a really good half hour and I'm feeling fine. I am so sorry to you to the listener. Would you believe this is probably a reckon this would be the most amount of time I've spent on a report since I don't for a long time just because I've been really enjoying it. Of course. But I've spent, I would have spent like a full-time, you know, nine to five week. Yeah And it could be the best podcast report ever on pantera and it's great But no, I love that You've been coming in and out of it

Normally, I think normally we would probably go let's pause Now but for some reason we're just like, oh, let's just come in and out, she's. Yeah, I think that's for the best. But Matt's gone into so much detail that like, you've only missed a little bit, so it's all good. Yeah. I've been going off script-

We told you about Alan. It's not all good. I'm not all good. We're just talking about how they release a couple more albums after their big number one album in 96 and 2000 and they were still selling really well, but the band are fracturing quite a bit now. And Phil's got a couple of his own bands on the side. Yeah, so he's off a fair bit and he actually even recorded the vocals from another state.

So, not so that they really have such a... Does he write like his lyrics, but does he write like the melody and stuff or like do they just send him the the guitar and he just makes it I think it depends I think it it sounds like for the most part the songs come out of the Dimebex riffs guitar parts but sometimes some some of their big songs came out of the drum of something Vinnie Paul put together on drums and then they'd base the yeah some of their some of their songs songs have really iconic drum parts. Yes, cool.

Primal, concrete sledge and 13 steps and stuff. So the songs get built around the drums. Primal, concrete sledge. Yes. That is like, all right, well, I'll think of a tough word. Primal, concrete sledge. I feel like of the three of us Matt would come up with sledge. Because it would be like,

Dage, sledge, sledge. Really do want to go with it? Like, yeah, we get a whiteboard out and someone's going, okay, yeah, sure, Matt, I guess you're involved. So we'll what else? Yeah. Well, let's park sledge for now. So yeah, so they have the splintering, but they're still recording, they're still

touring, but he's off more and more. He's moving away. I'd love for us to do that. Podcasts in different states. Like a lot of Australian breakfast radio teams do. Yes. Yeah, they'll love it. How do they do it without the eye contact, I wonder? Yeah, I find that. Or is it monitors? Yeah. They see it can see each other. Oh, right.

It's still kind of hard to like, you know, it's subtle. Does it want to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the...

Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... Is it going to be the... and hear me speaking, yeah. Didn't hear it word. That's why for like, phone or interviews can be so hard when you're like, you're jumping on top of each other,

especially if people you don't, you're not used to talking to. Well, my triple J segment that I do with Jen and Louis or Veronica and Louis is either, yeah, I mean, a TARDIS by myself or a studio alone and they're in Sydney. And so it's a lot of, ha, ha.

And you can't see that. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha. Oh, oh, oh, oh, or a lot of not sure if you're supposed to talk here, so there's a couple of awkward pauses. And I'm like, ah, my turn, ah.

Do you say that? Ah, my turn. My turn now. Jess speak. Ha, ha, ha. Jess, yeah, we've got a system we've figured out. Yeah, it works. A few verbal cues like, Jess speak. Jess Beak. Just, Jess. Yeah, we've got a system we've figured out. Yeah, it works. A few verbal cues like, Jess Beak.

Jess Beak now. The listeners don't even notice. Yeah, they wouldn't even pick it up. I don't get the radio talking like Jess Beak. Yeah, they just don't hear it. They just don't know. It's like, oh, they just have such great chemistry. Mm-hmm.

It's like a dog whistling, so. Yeah, that's what it's like. Jess doing radio is like watching a dog whistling. So yeah, that's what it's like. Just doing radio is like watching a dog whistling. Imagine a dog trying to whistle. No one can hear it apart from dogs. Buh. Buh. So when they were touring these albums,

they also tour in different states. They tour separately. The guitarist will be here next week. Just imagine this over that. Yes. Yeah, you've got a piece of it together in your mind, like, all right. And your mind still just doing the drum. Yes.

Oh, he nailed the vocals of this bit last week. But, yeah, so they, in some ways, they were playing in different spaces. Yeah. Because they felt like they said something, they didn't have to get in the pit bull, or they were getting the whacked out. The Chihuahua. The Chihuahua, yeah. With Phil being off his chops, one of infamous live shows on May the 17th, 2001

at Melbourne's Festival Hall, I was there. No way! And they were so delayed getting on stage. I remember, so we had such a funny memory for me because we were drinking bourbon and coke cans beforehand. It was like such a funny memory for me because we were drinking bourbon and coke cans beforehand. It was like such teen, weird teen cliched behaviour. Probably woodstocks. Yeah.

Oh god. You went off to buy them? They were still around 40 years later when Dave and I were young. You're joking. 40 years. Is that the only age difference we have? Yeah. 40 years after.

Drinking wise, yes. 40 years after the woodstock that you were at. Yes. The Woodstock side, yeah, I drank were, you know, made at the festival. They were the original. Hendrix can't this drink. And I had my, while we're drinking those before the show,

one of my friends shaved lines into my beard. So I looked at which of Vinnie Paul sort of had this iconic beard. Right until he died, there's like shaved lines into his beard. So I looked at which a Vinnie Paul sort of had this iconic beard. Right until he died, there's like shaved lines into his beard. So I got them shaved in. Please tell me you have a photo. I have, I, when he, when he passed away, I was trying to find it. It's got to be somewhere. And if you don't pre-internet, I'm not pre-internet, but pre-facebook. So there's not an easy record. If you don't, we will demand you to re-enact it. I've, I was genuinely considering it.

I think I'll do it. I think I'll maybe I'll do it again now. I've definitely got a better beard now than I did when I was a teenager. Interesting. Yep. I can't believe you had a beard as a teenager. That is so inferior.

They can't get a beard now. I can't. 27 years old. I know, but I know. Yeah, Jess, you feel my pain. Yeah, I can get a beard. I'm trying. So we would drink and we're drinking these cans. We'd had, we'd had quite a bit to drink. And it was smoking was legal in doors back then. Unbelievable. So there's in 2001. And the place was so smoky.

And the band, they were just, I felt, I don't know how long exactly, but it felt like so long delayed for them to be on stage after the support acts finished. So they have cool support, do you remember? The support acts were cool, there's a cool Melbourne metal band, I've had seen a bunch of times. Taxi ride. Taxi ride, that's it. Get set, everybody. Oh no, wait're all out. We actually made plans for that.

We knew you. With our flipping a rough band left the dad's in zone. Tulei, everybody. I mentioned the reaction from like, what are we in amazing? I loved that song. That's a great song.

Beautiful harmonies. Yes, I love harmonies. Oh, and I love those at Middleshire. I love harmonies. I can't they love those at middle should love harmony. I can't quite I can't put my finger into that at the same time That was beautiful See I'm good now. Oh, you've got yeah for a bit. It's half an hour so good. Yeah, enjoy it It's the golden half hour. I'm gonna crash again. See how I've also turned my body so I'm now facing you You can look at me. You can stomach my face now. I don't have to move my head,

which was making me real dizzy. Oh boy. I don't know how I'm going to get home. Anyway, let's go down with the hall. All those symptoms you were feeling, I was feeling as time went on. So we're all standing in the middle of festival hall. Also, the venue where the Beatles played

when they came to Melbourne a few decades earlier. Imagine that. Imagine that. imagine that having seen the Beatles. Ah. Ah. It just blows my mind. Incredible. That would be amazing. Apparently it was hard to hear.

Hard to hear. Hard to hear, hard to concentrate, because which would have been so frustrating if you were there to hear the band, which I imagine some people would have been. Yeah, I'd hope. It's not your, yeah, weird idea to say. San engineer can't hear anything. It's trying imagine some people wouldn't be. Yeah, I'd hope. It's not your weird idea to say. Sand engineer can't hear anything. Just trying to turn everything up to full. Like, yeah.

Well, it's even that way, you know. Everything louder than everything else. So I'm standing in the middle of the crowd and it's so smoky and foggy. I'd had a few of these cans and I was starting to feel sick because I was just standing there waiting, sort of just starting to sway.

And I felt like 45 minutes or an hour, they were late. I'm like, I gotta go spew. So I went to the bathroom and in there, you could not see from the door to the other wall. It was just full of smoke. Oh my God. Some sort of illegal smoke, if you know what I mean. Fireworks? Fireworks.

So I was heading off fireworks in the genre. Which has made me feel dizzy, and I'm so, so I go down and I'm spewing into one of these toilets, and then I hear the... D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D- So as they come on stage, I'm spewing in the toilet, which is a bit unfortunate. It go out anyway. They open with Hellbound, which is the opening track of their latest album at the time. And it was a good show. And I was, you know, being young, I didn't have high standards for what a good show would be.

But I did remember a few things throughout the show. Like, I've just vividly remembered Dimebag hugging his guitar and just leaning back on his amp While Phil just talks and talks off his dial like in between songs in between songs just really long long Hard to follow diatribes. Oh, like he's preaching. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he had things to say just off his dial And if that sucks because they rock stars get such a free ride Like you make anything vaguely funny. Yeah, the crowd discuss But at least people so such an easy crowds. So if he's losing them. Yeah, he must be speaking some real It was just like what just yeah, yeah, it just it was strange, but obviously I didn't realize at the time

But it was affected by different things. He said later, it was super drunk. He said, it was the drunkest, it was the drunkest I've been in two years, and later on, shit happened that I don't even remember as I blacked out. So he was off his dial, but that did become, like, that was talked about a lot that show. It was one of the low points of the band and the relationship after it was the band with Furious Adam, like, what the fuck are you doing?

You got to clean up your act and that sort of stuff. And I'm spoke to people who were at the next night in Adelaide. And apparently he was apologizing to the crowd for the night before. So I'm really so obviously. That's how he was so drunk. He thought he was still in Melbourne. And apparently knocked it out of the park. The next show was amazing, which is unfortunate for me.

This is a quote he was talking to a journalist soon after. He said, the whole band was fucking furious and I realized what I had to do. So I cleaned my shit up. And the next night we went out and destroyed. I apologize to the fans for that show, but they will see us again. And Melbourne did not see us again.

And Melbourne did not see them again. Oh, wow. That was the last show they've ever played in Melbourne, unfortunately. Oh, at least you got to see your heroes. Yeah, so that was cool. I feel very lucky, because I got into them a year earlier. So I was so lucky to have some time.

Just my head. Yeah. Similar thing happened to me with Tism as well. I got into them in their last four four so years Any so wrong when they'll yeah, so I'm like I think I saw about half a dozen times That's really cool. So yeah very lucky in both those cases the Beatles not so much Not so much. I was you know, I was bloody on I was in a big heroin You know the the 60s, mate if you you remember him, you weren't on heroin. You were in a big heroin.

As I always say. You were in a big heroin. I was in a big heroin. So I had a talk with Lingo with you guys. Me and Ringo used to talk such a Lingo. You had a down back of a big heroin. I'm not afraid of big heroin. So I mean, you probably already don't love Phil as a guy.

And there would be there'd be people You could do probably do a report who would tell the story from the other side It's almost like people would pick one side of the other Here's that report. No, here's some stuff that's gonna make it dislike me even more so As well as the internal tension of the bands other controversies from these years Include the bands of the Confederate flag in both an album, album art and in stage art.

Okay, that's not really great. Yeah, so it's now synonymous with racism obviously. And I'm no expert on this at all. I've just pulled this out of it and interview and this is Rex Rocco replying to that. And I think he talks about it at pretty level in a pretty well-heated way. He says, the Confederate flags on the back cover of the Great Southern Trendkill, that was the southern part of it. There were still states that had that on their flags at that stage.

Nowadays it's forbidden to use it. It's not so politically correct, but it had nothing to do with racism. None of us will like that. It was just a tie-in to the artwork on the back cover. Even back then, I said, this is not the way to go. Leonard Skinner used one for years and still do. Now people confuse it with racism and hatred. That's not what this band is about at all, quite the opposite.

But it's the only thing I would say in the PC days now that I have any regrets about. That was all day. So that's a pretty good explanation. Not yet, it just feels pretty level and he's just like, obviously it wouldn't do it now and it was even. Sure, sure. But it was a different time, which is always

a bit of a soft excuse, but also, you know, times sadly, yeah, fallow in some ways. Sometimes it, you know, it is. But there's an expert, this is a feel, it's like, oh, Mam it in some ways. Sometimes, you know, it is. But this next, this will feel, it's like, oh, it made me feel, yeah. So Rex made a good explanation, but Phil. Phil will feel sort of being on the side. He's, he's a fucking,

he just seems like a weird unit, Phil. And then he'll do things, and he'll be like, what the fuck? And it's like, are you giving us a little insight in yourself? Because this is like no, no one would say this. Or no one in the, you know, anyway, look. So he's come up of accusations of racism outside of the flag in January 2016.

So very recently. And so almost stood before an audience in Hollywood at a benefit concert. And as he finished his set, he stretched out his right arm in a Nazi salute and bellowed white power at the crowd. Okay, well you can't really explain that one. Yeah, I don't know how you can get away with that one. His explanation of this was quite bizarre. It doesn't sound like Phil.

At a benefit kick. At first, according to Rolling Stone, and somemo's initial reaction to the uproar was to make a light of it saying, white power was an inside joke because they'd been drinking white wine backstage. No apologies for me, he said at the time. Incredible. It was a white wine joke. We're all drinking white wine, so I did a Nazi salute.

And yelled, white power. Low. It's like I don't like incredible. I would have been bad enough for you if you yelled white wine power. That's still a terrible joke. Yeah. But just a yellow power. I mean, if you want to understand that, yeah, that's right. He's an in joke backstage and stuff. Then don't do it. But that changed within a couple of days. This is his updated quote. He did

it a video. He said, it was ugly. It was uncalled for. And anyone who knows me and my true nature knows that I don't believe in any of that. I'm a thousand percent apologetic, obviously bad maths straight up there. I'm a thousand percent apologetic to anyone that took offense to what I said, which is always like a weasel-y. Yeah. It's not, I apologize for the thing I did. It's, I apologize to anyone who took offense, yeah. You're fault.

Because you said, because you, no, sorry, I should finish the fucking sentence, because you should have taken offense to what I said. Fair enough, sorry Phil, sorry Phil to have a go at you in the middle of your white power apology. And I'm so sorry and I have, and I hope you just, man, give me another chance to just give me another chance. He also released a statement a few days later,

which said, I'm repulsed by my own actions and the self-flowing I'm going through right now is justified by the hurt I've caused. So you sort of like, I mean, what do you, why don't I'm confused by you? Like if you are so apologetic, how were you so dumb in that moment to think it was anything like what I'm so confused by. Anyway, he is also said, like he's talked about it in different ways. Every time it seems to be a slightly different explanation or whatever. He's also said that it was a weird attempt in dealing with hecklers, saying that it was a dumb, dumb move on my part because I've dealt with

hecklers before. Basically, I was showing the ugly. I was playing a part. It was an ugly gesture. And I've said this before, look, if that joke is not funny anymore and it's worn out, it's welcome, then that's on, then so be it. I can grow as well. Is he still talking about white wine? I don't, I think he's just, yeah, I don't know. Is he still a drug addict? Is he still a bit off, you know? He's, he's like, yeah. He's like, yeah.

This is Rex Brown. That's good. I call that undelay. If he'd said, off he's Rex Brown. Guys, I'm just off of my Rex Brown tonight. Oh no, oh no, you could get a check down So yeah, you hear him talk. I mean, I Is it the backlash that's making you? You know sometimes are you like why you really apologizing is it because because I just don't understand why you would say it in the first place if...

Did you know about this at the time? I've only researched this. Yeah. According to a garden article, machine head front man, who's a machine head's a great band who are in that, they sort of come into that same groove metal. So I'd never really explain that, but the groove metal style that they started with cowboys from Hell's, just a slower tempo. Sort of using some of the aggression

of that of the newer thrasher metal, but thrasher's quite a fast-paced style, so they bring it down to that. Like the walk is sort of a classic dun dun dun dun where it's thrasher'd be dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Yeah. Sort of thing.

Great example. That was well explained. It really was. I sound like I'm being sarcastic, but genuinely, that was very well explained and I understood. Um, so, machine head was... I got Scott and Scott mixed up. Hahaha.

Doobie-bab-bab-bab? It's all the same to me. You're doing the full house theme again. Skibit-bab-bab-bab-bab-bab-bab? I never realized that's a Scatsong. Yeah. Oh, Sc house theme again. Give it a bat out. I never realized that's a scat song. Yeah. Oh, scat song, sorry. I can't remember. I don't know. So machine head for the metal community, like, came down hard, obviously, on him, like, what the you know, the in particular machine head from Ann Rob Flynn, it was one of the strongest critics he released an

11 minute video taking him down. He also pointed out and Selma's initial explanation was misleading since white wine was not served to performers. So it was just like a weird even. How did he know that? He was on the line. Oh right, he was on the line up. Yeah, so he was there. And then he went on to say Flynn went on to say, only in the metal community is something like this so, so brushed off. He said, if this was Chad from Nickelback,

if this was Justin Bieber, or if this was Tom Brady, if this was Lars fucking Ulrich, heads would roll, Ulrich. Wow. So yeah, oric. Wow. So yeah, real strange. Yeah. Strangers, not quite right, real fucked. So anyway, I put that at one side.

If you can, we're getting towards, like they're following part now anyway. The bands fracturing, they're basically breaking up at this point. And according to Vinnie Paul, we kept working and really our intention wasn't to stop until Phil decided he'd rather go and do down and Super joint ritual, which are two of his other main bands. We never stopped. I really felt like we were going to be the rolling stones of heavy metal. And we could have been.

But it wasn't. It wasn't for Phil. It wasn't for here. It wasn't a very Vinnie Paul and Don Bagg got sick of waiting around for Phil. They were sort of for them, Pantera was there, mate, they didn't really do side projects like he did. So they were waiting around. He said, I was always sitting there, ready to make another outmoded tour. They just had to call me.

But, you know, there was a real big breakdown in communication. always sit there ready to make another album or tour, they just had to call me, but you know there was a real big breakdown in communication and it went public like they were spouting in interviews against each other and that sort of stuff as well. And so they got bored of a sick away from them, they basically decided that he was never coming back. I don't think it was ever official, but the band basically broke up in 2003 when Vinnie and Dianne formed a new group called Damage Plan with vocalist Pat Lockman who was the guitarist for Judas Priest Singer Rob Helford's band Helford.

They released their debut album, Newfound Power in 2004, while and all the while they are going between Pantera members continued on. Mutsling in the press went both ways. From Phil Sardin, one interview, he said that he was always there, ready to go, basically blaming the brothers for the breakup. But he also said, and this is quite a famous line that people take out. Reading it in context, it doesn't sound as bad as, but out of context, it sounds pretty bad. It's either way but he said that dime bag deserves to be beaten severely. Four. It's just. Bit aggressive. Bit aggressive. I mean.

Would he get paid for per punch? Because he might say yes. Yeah, you never know. It's true. He might go, he can't. I can't think of how much I'd charge per punch to be honest. For me it'd be quite a little money. Yeah, I think. I'll probably depend on the person who has a punch. I think 10 grand and I charge per punch, to be honest. So may it be a quite a little money, I think. I'll probably depend on the person doing the punch. I think 10 grand and I'd cap it at one. Yeah. There's no amount of money I'd take for 30 punches to the face. If you could punch me in the face, give me 10 grand for it, and somehow strategically

knock out my wisdom teeth at the same time. Oh yeah. That would solve a lot of problems. That's a win-win for you. If anyone could do that, please get in contact. my wisdom teeth at the same time. Oh yeah. That would solve a lot of problems. That's a win-win for you. Yeah. If anyone could do that, please get in contact. Yeah, I'm happy to have my wisdom teeth punched out and you give me 10 grand.

Good deal. I'm fine with that. So Damage Plan went out on the road in support of this album. And was the album popular? The album was popular enough, but nowhere near. Like I think I made top 40, chart in the top 40. So it's a whole album, but no any as much as it's in the pantera days. And it was, like it was a bit, the reviews were a bit mixed from critics. I bought it at the time, I really liked it.

But I don't know, some about the lyrics did feel a bit like it was, it did feel like slightly lame or something. I remember this one song was called Fuck You or something, it was, it went through all the same reasons, Fuck You for this, Fuck You for that. And then it goes, but most of all, motherfucker, fuck you. It's not like, it's not about, it just feels real childish again. So back to high school, so lyrics, but you know, the first album and you got to give a band a chance to grow.

Yeah, I mean, the first band took four albums. Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, to me, it was a very promising debut. And you know, the guitar parts and stuff. And that was, you know, it was because you got the guitarist and the drummer from Pantera. That was a big chunk of the sound was, and other people just going to the gigs because they want to see Dimebag and Vinny from.

I think so, yeah, I think that definitely would have been a big part. Unfortunately, I never made it out to Australia. About 32 shows in, damage plan landed at the Alrosic Villa Club in Columbus, Ohio, on December the 8th, 2004, but this show would end in tragedy. Former US Marine Nathan Gayle tried to board the damage plan to a bus before the show. He wasn't able to get in, but he was heavily armed and he got into the venue and he got onto the stage around the start of their performance, stormed the stage and he gunned down Dimebag at Pointblank Range.

In the rampage, Gail also shot and killed damage plans head of security, Jeffrey Thompson and venue staff member, Aaron Hulk. Oh my God, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's, according to this article, I was reading on ultimateclassicrock.com, those last two, Thompson and Hulk, both of whom struggled with Gail long enough for other musicians and countless innocent concert goers

to escape. Wow. So they tried to tackle him, but yeah, he shot him. He shot him in the, amongst all that. Also killed was Nathan Bray, who was a fan who heroically attempted to give Dimebag CPR and paid an awful price as a result. Oh my God.

That's a quote from the. Shot whilst giving CPR. Yeah. Gail's shooting spree came to an end when a police officer killed Gail with a single shotgun blast while the assailant still held another man hostage. So that's all from that same article. Oh, yeah. It's unknown what the motives were. Some say he was a craze fan who was shouting you broke up Pantera. So it was like a

Like he was he was taking his That out on Pantera obviously Wasn't going well. He wasn't a well-man But it like logically it's like we're killing the guitarist is not gonna help bring Pantera back It's kind of makes it much harder.. Yes. It's like, because that's what I heard at the time, like, fucking man. Yeah. You've done the opposite of that. Yeah, no, they can never get back together.

But obviously he wasn't thinking logically. And I think I read his mom had said that he might have even believed that they'd stolen his identity. He was the real songwriter or something like that But it's never been no one knows for sure what the reason was and obviously he died there So you know he wasn't able to be asked. I remember Where I was sitting in my car with my friend Sarah at the beach when a friend texted me about it and I reckon it's the only time I ever cried hearing about a stranger dying.

Right, so you got texted and what and the text just didn't say he'd been shot or dead? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was just that he was, he died at a concert and you know, the info was sketchy at first. And I, because his trademark was a, he had a dyed pink beard. So I dyed my, had my beard dyed pink that week. And yeah, I was, I was going to a soup market at the time and they did not like. And you said it's for fucking dime, man.

It's for dime, man. A lot of it was funny how many people knew what it was about, but, um, yeah, it's a market made me tied up in a, in like a, like that, like that makes it way more intimidating. A tied up beard. Yeah. It's your remember of corn from 1999. Terrifying. Terrifying.

Like monkey. Or one of the, the guy with the kilt. Yeah. Jonathan. Jonathan. I was gonna say Jonathan Bro, but that's not right. Jonathan. Jonathan. Fuck, what's his name?

That's bad. Is that bad? Maybe that's great. Yeah, I'm even there. Come on. There are. They do what they do. Jonathan Taylor Thomas Jonathan

Jonathan Davis Davis No, no, no, no, no, what was he making? He had to you shouldn't done the home improvement He was Tim Allen. He was a Freak on a leash. I tell you that much Freak off the leaf. Oh, I'd done back since then in ranked in many compilations of guitarist of all time, including the number one guitarist by UK magazine Metal Hammer. Number one of all time, amazing.

Yeah. I think I don't think you'd get heaps of people to remember that, but he's definitely known as a very great, very influential heavy metal guitarist. And then as we said at the start, so we don't have any pole, but he he took the death of his brother very hard. So there's a lot of tragedy in that family. He was there playing. He was there. He saw it always right That would have been so awful Yeah

So he He took a little bit of time off music before joining this band called hell yeah Great name in 2006 who I saw I saw around that time at Festival in Melbourne. Was any other members or other bands in it? Yes, they were quite a super group, hell yeah. I just love the term super group. It's so good.

It is. What was the Australian super group called that got together and did AV or three parts of AV? Oh, the Stevie's. I think it was maybe called the, because it was self- Stevie right or the rights the rights and not the steveys the right Damn it the right that's right. Yeah, so they had the vocalist was from Mudvane and nothing face and yeah, so that members they all played in different metal bands beforehand. And yeah, they released a bunch of albums and they're still going right up to his death.

I didn't love, to be honest, I didn't give them a, didn't really listen to them beyond their first album, which I thought I didn't love. But now I've just listened to their tracks of their most recent album and it's pretty cool. So I'm going to probably double back into them coming up. Right. And have they said yet how many died? Yeah. So I went short first, but it sounds like it was a massive heart attack. Which was interesting. For some reason, I'm like, what did he take his life? Because of the pain from and all the trauma from seeing his brother killed

but yeah I don't know why the like the heart attack was like oh that's okay yeah I mean it's whatever it was it was gonna be sad yeah but did he even feel ever talk again or was it no you'd see um Rex in the middle was sort of trying to get something happening and there was basically Vinnie Paul's like, there's no, there's no panting. Don't worry about it, yeah. But he also kind of, I think he may be blamed, fill in some ways for it. People in between even, even Dimebags, long time girlfriend was trying to get him to talk again, but you'd see Vinnie Paul in interviews and he'd be like, mad, I'm really want to talk about that.

Nothing more needs to be said about that. He was upset. Yeah, he just was certainly not now. Who knows what would have happened in the future, but he never quite happened. He has talked about there's recordings of Dimebag that he sort of things they were working on when die-back died that Have never been released and he's like they're all in the vault I'm gonna relate this and the interview I was watching from a year or two ago And he's like yeah, well when I've got time. I'm gonna put them all out. I'm gonna work on a memory

I'm gonna get guest focus on them and we'll put them out and I'm like oh fuck So sad it's also bloody sad So yeah, it was 54. So it's still relatively a young, young man. And that, that I guess brings us right up to date. What about Rex Brown? Rex Brown actually, so he played with Down for a while and he's played with a bunch of different bands and he released his debut solo album. He was last year which I quite liked as well, sort of a hard sort of southern rocky kind of album. Southern rock bass lines. Yeah. Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom do I was called Smoke on This. Oh yeah. The titles are very good.

Very good stuff. Yeah. Was it like there was the album cover like someone's asked with like a joint poking out of it? I think it was just it was him lining up a smoke I think, but yeah, he went pretty literal. I mean, it was a real opportunity for to get that asked back in a Walmart.

Totally. I think they'd be on board with him. Yeah, I think that would be, I think they'd be ready. Didn't sound like they lived the healthiest lifestyles. No, they possibly that contributed to the heart attack. Yeah, I didn't talk about that much, but they were famous parties as well. Sure.

They had a famous, it's a dime bag had this, they used to drink these things called black tooth grin. I was like, I don't know if they made it up or if that was already a famous cocktail, but it was like bourbon and all sorts of crap mixed in. Black tooth grin. Oh no. I think that's what I was called. It sounds nasty.

They don't talk just about it now. They used to release home videos, home videos, which are really just like them going around on handicams cutting them together. It's like early kind of jackass stuff, sort of a lot of fucking around and they'd have this road guy, like a real confusing sketches, like there was like, I don't know who he was,

like their tech or something, and he'd be like the Hulk, he'd be painted green and just flexing at the, and then they'd do like these long compilations of them throwing plastic cups at gigs out into the crowd with a little bit in and people catching it and drinking it. They'd figured out the way to throw it. So the beer would stay in the cup.

Nice. And I was just all these compilations, just a lot of fun. So they, they're a fun time kind of band, a party band. I would be watching them back in the day. THS, so that's how they were initially released as, yeah, home videos. And then they got that's fun, got ended up coming out

on DVD as well. You can still, but to get all that stuff. Black Tooth. You watch on YouTube. But black dime, the first thing, I just searched black tooth grin, I think it must be his thing, because it came up, the first thing came up, is dime bag, Darrell's black tooth grin,

is this drinkable legacy? Oh, it sounds already bad. Yeah, I mean, the name of it sounds pretty nasty in itself. What is it, what is it specifically in tail? So, it's essentially apparently according to this article on munchies.vice.com. That's right, it's custom. And it was named after a lyric in mega-death sweating bullets.

It's essentially a double shot of Seagram 7 and a double shot of Crown Royal, tossed over ice or not, and splashed with just enough Coca-Cola to give it a dark and hue. So that's four shots, I guess. Wow. Sounds nasty.

And if you come to our Sydney show, Jess and I will be seven Black Tooth Grins all night long. Absolutely not, no. Well, you're never drinking again at the moment. Looks like it's just me. I'll be having a shot shot of the black tooth. The end of that half hour of feeling good is approaching. Yeah.

That's bad. That's bad. Well, it gives it a yeah. No, sorry. Yes. So we should have having wrapped up the report. Well done, Matt. That is a great report.

I'm sorry that they died. That's beautiful day. I think I think so much. It is tragic for those heartfelt words. But a very timely report because I feel like that maybe you could have done this report at another time. Yeah. It wouldn't have been full closure. I just, I didn't know. They're never getting back together. I did. Yeah, that's true. I just did not know how to feel about it when I got, yeah, that Google alert. I was like, are you kidding? That was really, anyway.

So this week's fact-quotal question, which is a Patreon each week, do you explain this, Dave? I have, no. I mean, did you leave the room to vomit? No. I mean, have you ever explained it? Because I don't know if I've tried it.

And I've never explained it particularly well. All right. Honestly, I thought what you meant was, sorry, have you already explained this? No, I've just said. Basically, fact-quatter question is a new Patreon's supported segment where people that support us on patreon.com slash do go on part, which is if you have a one support the show. On the on the Sydney's Sharnberg level. That's right. These people, we pick one at random to submit a fact-quite or question

that we were broadcast on the show. What have we got this week, Matt? And they also get to choose their own title. Oh, yes. In terms of where they rank within the Dugo1 company. Exactly. And this week, it's Trey Maverick. Tray. Tray's been a big supporter of the show. What's Tray's job title? He said, you can use my full legal

title since it's already pretty bad ass. And that is Joseph Lee Maverick the third. Very good. He said, or Joseph, son of Joseph, son of Joseph. I like that one. Yeah, we see. And he said, son of Joseph, son of Joseph. I like that one. Yeah, we see. And he's... And it's the son of Joseph, son of Joseph. That's a great business, God. He's chosen fact. Oh, I love a good fact.

Okay. Lower minds. I'll write it down. Well, I have a feeling that you might know this fact, because it's also, I know, I'll just say it. And you can tell me if and why you do know it. The fact is there is no such thing as a fish. That is true and it's also the title of that QI inspired podcast.

That's right. And I'd never put together why that would be the name of that, but that is of course, because that is a fact. That is one of their facts. And he said it's true. Well, kind of fish is not a biological stratification. It's kind of like the word bug and that it doesn't refer to any specific species

or genus. But everyone's, everybody pretty much knows what you mean when you say it. Oh, that's cool. That is tray, mavericks fact. Thank you, tray. And, that's cool. That is tray mavericks fact. Thank you, tray. And note I've seen it as a fish is very popular, but also very fun podcast.

I think they just toured Australia not too long ago. So they obviously... Yeah, they're huge. They get around. Yeah, they're the people that basically they're the researchers from UI. Yeah. That's cool. And thank you very much for your facts, tray! And another thing we do with our QI, yeah. That's cool. And thank you, Rums, for your facts, Tray.

And another thing we do with our Patreon supporters, Dave. What's the other thing we do? Well, basically, you can also vote on topics if you're a Patreon. You get two bonus episodes just for those supporters every single month. You get access to newsletters, pre-sales, that kind of thing.

But you also, we pick six people in order of when they pledged. So we're getting through the back end of all the people. And we get to thank them for their support and we give them a little nickname or a title or something to do with the topic. Matt, what are you thinking? What? This is number one. This is Jess always. Rock and roll name.

Rock and roll name. Rock and roll name. Rock and bag. Rock and bag. Rock and roll name. Rock and roll name. Rock and roll name. So like, and Rex Rocker. Right, I love it. So good. That's real good. What can I kick off this week's thank yous for our Patreon. Yes, you can, we can. For all the way from Hampshire in Great Britain.

I'd love to thank Mr. James Sutton. Oh. James Sutton. Jimmy. Jumping James. Jumping James. Jumping Jimmy James. I like it. I like it a lot. He sounds like a 60s rocker jumping. Jumping, jumping, jumping

James, the Jack rabbit. Jumping James. Jumping James. Thank you, jumping James all the way in Hampshire. I try to, I try to take it up a notch and then I looked up at you guys and you guys were both like it back down a notch. Yeah, come on mate. I mean, you flew too close to the sun, and your wings have melted, because they're made of water. Wow, wow, water amounts.

Okay. But they were made of water, then put in the freezer, they've come and grow up. Right. I would also like to thank you for me. I know I would and I think I should. May. I'm pretty sure this next person from Brisbane Queensland is a metalhead Kate Johnson.

He came and saw a sub at the live show in Brisbane last year around. I'm really a metal. Yeah. Nick Johnson. Okay, Johnson. She took us to that metal bird, Dave. Okay, yeah. She is a massive metalhead.

Yeah. She got tattoos. I think she was a metal band and things. Okay, yeah. She was a lot of... I thought he was going to stop at tattoos. Like, you have a tattoo. We all have a tattoo.

Yeah, no, so her is a very heavy, heavily music inspired. Yes. That was a great night out, actually, Kate. Yeah, Kate. What was that place called? It was called the Cobra. Cobra, that was it. Yes, well, Kate Johnson, give him a metal name.

Oh, it's gonna be Cobra. Oh, Cobra. Kate Cobra. Kate the Cobra Johnson. Oh, that's good. Kate the Cobra Johnson. Love that. Love it. Cate the Crabar Johnson. Love that. Love it. So good.

Yes, well done. Thank you very much, Cate. Well, I, um, I, uh, ex-girlfriend gave me a, uh, a metal name and that was Metallica. Oh, I love it, yes. Sounds like that she was pretty down with the music. Like the band. No, we get it. I was gonna. I'm sorry. Just gonna try and do something. Yeah do a bit of a switcheroo. Yeah but let's go on now do it.

No it's really. Don't sulk. Come on. Do you want to do it? I was gonna say like the band Megadeth because Dave Mustaine's a bit sad. Yeah. Just damn, but you, you made sure to put a, put a, put an end to that. Cragidic. That's what I do. All right, I'm gonna thank someone to get us out of this metal hole that we're putting in.

I would like to thank from Eva Majesk and I go, please. You can wrap us up. Great up if you don't want it. Yeah, every day I was gonna say, can I go first just in case, but no, let's go. Are you sure? I would like to thank from WA, wasn't, no, not Western Australia at all,

Washington from Mount Vernon, Washington, frequent Twitter and suggested Pete free. Pete free. Thank you so much Pete. You love to have your support. Right, Pete. I did not know that's how you pronounce Pete. Yeah, because last time you said, Pete.

Yeah, Pete. I said, Pete. And I would have done that again. Yeah, I met him at a mental night because I think she suggested some topics before. That's when we stuffed that last time. So thank you Pete, free. And what would we call Pete free? Pete free, what about the flame and eagle? Yeah, let us know.

Like a more old school sort of, old school early metal kind of imagery there. Yeah. Oh, right, okay, like dragons, stone henge. Yeah. And then the bald eagle free. Perfect. Love it. And she's got a tattoo on her back of a bald eagle with a spread wings. And just its head is on fire and you can see a skull kind of like that Nicholas Cage comic book movie. Do you remember that one? Yeah. Go strider. Go Sman. Go Sman. I thank you so much. Pete, free. Keep rocking out. I would like to thank all the way. I believe from Sweden,

we're exciting to have some Swedish support. I cannot pronounce with any real knowledge of how to pronounce we from. but it's a kung sangan. Ooh, kung sangan. That's pretty close. I would like to thank Janika Larson. Janika Larson. That is a brilliant name. Janika Larson.

So good. Bob, what do you got? What have I got? Janika Larson. What about banging heads? Larson? Bangin head banger head bangin That's fucking Yanika head bangin Larson bad ass. That is fucking bad ass When you when you hit bangin heads at the midnight sun

Yanika Larson's I feel like we're playing them We're playing one down here today. Normally Jess is carrying us through this segment and I didn't. I'm doing great. I never realized how much she carried us until today when she did not rock up. It's too bad. That's weird doing the show with just the two of us again. There were, you and I will Step up for these last two names. I'm sure of it. Okay. Some great ones. I will step up for these last two names. I'm sure of it. I'll get some great ones. Janet, look, Janika Larsson, the headbanger,

is, that's pretty iconic. Janika the headbanger, Banika. Well, I would like to thank a couple of people too before I go through up again. Okay, great. From, from this very mouth that's thanking you, vomit will be coming out very soon. It's very exciting.

From British Columbia. British Columbia. In Canada. I would like to thank Callie Tray. Oh, that is already great name. So good. Callie Tray. So good. You give me one word, Dave, and I'll do the second word, all right? Okay. Give me a real metal verb and I'll go as some sort of a hard noun. Okay. Rusty total. Yeah. Rusty total.

That's pretty good. Yeah, I like it. I said total, but. Oh, okay. No, total, even better. Rusty total. I mean, was that a hard noun? Total.

I think, is that a word? I think I was trying to say total, but I started saying toad total. It's a part, toad part turtle. And it's rusty. Rusty total. Rusty total. That doesn't seem healthy, but thank you, Kelly.

Look at you, Kelly. And we'll do another one now. All right, I'm going to say an actual thing this time. And I'd also like to thank from this very studio, somebody who has supported us. Dave, have you been supporting? Yes, I have. Cause Patreon takes the money off it. So really, I'm losing money.

They take that cut from the money I'm giving us. Okay, I meant the wider building that we're in. Oh, the owner of the building. Studio's. I would like to thank the beautiful boy himself, Evan Monroe Smith. Oh, yeah, math. The host of GAMY GAMY GAME.

Oh, what a show, what a man. Evan Monroe Smith. All right, also the man who wrote our theme song and performed it. And he still supports us, monetarily. Thank you so much, Evan, You legend. And I'll, what have I, you think of the urban

algo now? Okay. Ball tearing hook. That's pretty good. That's pretty great. The ball tearing hook. The ball tearing hook. Not appropriate.

Yeah. He doesn't have enough names already. Evan, the ball tearing hook, Munro Smith. Yeah, love it. Great. That's great. We've been as strong. I think we've really summed up Munners. Yeah, I love it. Great. That's great. We've finished strong. I think we've really summed up his essence. Thanks, Evo.

Thanks, Evo. You're a legend. He does so much for this show. So, um, and we also love his show, Game-E-Game game. We'll just give him a plug. Go check it out on YouTube. It's the best video game panel show I've ever seen. And we've all been on it multiple times, so, um, you should go check that out. Maybe we'll put that in the description. There's a link to all of our episodes on there. So I'll put that link in the description.

Yeah, check out the playlist of the other times do go on, we're on our gaming game again. Even once when we were all there. That's true. That was fun. We talked about the Sims. We're all big gamers. Oh, I love gaming for a Reese World or whatever the game I've played.

All these worlds, what you were calling it. Oh, yeah, but it's not that sort of like Ratchet and wake or something something like that. Yeah, that's good fun Good fun and you can get in contact anytime with this guys all the contact details are now conveniently listed on do go on pod.com Our pretty new website. There's also merch there. I think that you click Merch it takes you to Redbubble and there's two designs up at the moment. We're going to have some more coming up and right now you can get t-shirts but it also you can put that design on pretty much anything else you can put it on pants on hoodies. Pants Tara. Yes. You can put it on pants. You can be the

the can. Can we get like a do-go-on style like metal logo? Yes. Oh my goodness, that would be fun. Absolutely, yes. Thanks Bob. Let's get capparon to it. Can we have it? And it just says like, Tear and Balls since 2016. Sure.

Or 2015 when we actually launched. Now the first few months we didn't put Tearballs. No, I've been laughing out. We started Tearballs. Actually, I'd love to also plug our YouTube channel, which is youtube.com slash do go on pod. I've been, I'm almost up to date with all the episodes and there's a couple of live videos from our live shows up there as well.

Janet, maybe a couple of, I think there's a video of Dave Headbutton and Humping the Watermelons in there somewhere as well. There's a check that out, good content. Hot content. I want to try and put more stuff up. No regrets, yes. So please, yes, subscribe to the channel because there's more people that subscribe there.

The more we'll be like, yeah, let's do it. Let's put some stuff up. That'll be a lot of fun. And yeah, you can suggest a topic through the website and I guess that's pretty much it for this week. Jess, what are you going to do tonight? I'm going to go throw up again. All right.

Can we please wrap up? All right, let's wrap up. Thank you so much for listening. Until next week, I will say thank you up again. Alright. Can we please wrap up? Alright, let's wrap up. Thank you so much for listening. Until next week, I will say thank you and goodbye. Later. Bye. Help me. Thanks for doing that, Bob.

Thanks for hanging around. You took one for the team there. Oh. Oh. Oh. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit Planet Broadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want, it's up to you.

Yeah. Certainly not the Bob. Some of them. Who is perfect? Perfect in every way. And that's why she is regularly retweeted by Mr. Russell Crowe. Oh, we've got to talk about quickly about that. Jess, how does it feel to be tweeted retweeted by Academy Award winner?

Russell Crowe. Well look all it's really done is has changed you inherently. Yeah, I made you a better person. Better newer, more focused. You are refreshed. Yeah, I feel invigorated. I am so focused. And it also exposed you just so many new fans. Yeah, yeah. People encouraging you, I imagine, writing nice things about you. Yeah, people. Crow bots, I think they call Russell Crow fans. Oh, that's good. That's good. So that's what they used to call the Adelaide Cros

when they were very like regimented team in the mid 2000. Anyway, it doesn't matter. What a weird side track early, but that was how good was that? That was very good. I didn't get any extra followers from it. Maybe like three.

Really? But I just got a lot of comments of like, I thought this is offensive. I was like, I'm not sure how, but okay. Oh boy. And one that was in Italian. Multi-banning. I did translate. I understood what one of them was. Was it a swear word? No. But the other word, it nothing. Ralph Choma. Nothing came up in Google Translate. I was like, that's odd. And then that person actually tweeted again,

like correcting her spelling mistake. So what she was saying was like funny laugh. This is the reach that Russell Crowe has. Yeah, I'm reaching Italy. These views multi-million follower. 2.7. 2.7. He's gounding.

That's kind of low. I reckon he's gone up to 2.8 since you already tweeted your content. Because you look at like Kim Kardashian, she's in like 60 million. Right. That is low. Maybe he's just going to, anyway, he's been hot on it lately. Yeah, he has. He's probably, I imagine, he's another person that if you did a report on,

you would find that you don't like him that much. Yeah. Potentially, I don't know. Probably. He's a rogish brute. Anyway, but he's a good friend of mine and a colleague and mentor. So, please show some respect for Rusty.

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