Do Go On - 142 - The Great Train Robbery

Episode Date: July 11, 2018

In 1963, a gang of crooks robbed a train. But what was so great about it that it's gone down in history as one of the greatest heists ever? Did they get away with it? Who are they? Where are they now (then)? All will be revealed on this week's episode!Report starts at 7:45. Check out Gamey Gamey Game: http://gameygame.com/dogoonSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodWebsite : dogoonpod.com Support Dave's Gloveless Finger Palm Coolers Pozible Campaign: https://pozible.com/project/gloveless-finger-palm-coolersSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] and other reading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b9musU7Ke0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Train_Robbery_(1963)https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-21619150 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Wonki and I'm here, as always, with two deer chums, Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. I'm a deer. You're a chum. And I'm, yeah, I'm dog food. Chum-chum. I'm a cute little deer. Oh, headlights!

I'm in a good mood. which is good. Yeah, it's because you weren't able to make it into the last week's episode. So it's good to have you back. One week on, how are you feeling, Jess? I am fine. Thank you. It's a great recovery.

I had to take the next day off work. I couldn't get home from here. I had to come get picked up. But I'm okay. I'm fine. Everything's fine. Sorry about that. For those who missed it, go back and listen to it.

Yeah, go back and listen. Go back and listen to the lack of Jess throughout the last week's episode. Technically, I was physically present. Yeah, physically present. Except the two times I left the room. I was going to say, there were times you weren't physically present. Yeah, but you carried on because you're professionals, unlike me, who leaves the room to spew. So this podcast, do go on if you are new to it.

It's a podcast all about things. Each week, we do a show about a different topic, which has been suggested by a listener. It'll be picked out and a report will be written by one of the three of us. The other two of us don't know what that topic is. and this week it's Jess and we start the topic with a question Yes and my question is have you heard of Okay, I love these ones

Yeah because I don't think you'll know this one Because I certainly didn't Okay so no is the answer Oh she's guessing I'm presuming I could be wrong You know what presuming does It makes a pruse out of Sue and me

Sue me Sue me I lost control of that one Do you want me to say assuming Yes Okay I assume You don't know. You know what assuming does.

That makes an assumeie about energy. Okay, fuck. All right, please just ask the question. Have you heard of the Great Train Robbery? Yes. Runny Biggs. Fuck off. Yeah, he just, oh, I was going to tell you the story.

But I'll let you do that, Jess. That is the most Jess thing to ever happen. No one's heard of this obscure story. I didn't know how else to ask questions. Look, I don't know too much about it. I just know the bare bones, the bare minimum. Yes, I'd be the same. I know the skeleton of this story.

I know enough for a pub quiz. Great, okay. This is great, yeah. I knew that it was in the news not too long ago. Yeah, it would have been. Yeah, that's great. I don't know. This would be similar to things like

like Escape from Alcatraz and stuff like that. I vaguely know it, but I don't know. I don't know the bloody meat. I only know the bones. Yeah, right. So I put this in the hat with two other topics for our Patreon Sydney-Shineberg listeners

to vote on and this was like double anything else like it was a big front-runner even though there was another one in there that I was very keen to do because it was ridiculous so I might try and put that up again another time

Was there a general topic were they all train related? No they were all kind of event or like wacky events in the industry because I'd done three biographies in a row I wanted to do something a little bit diff yeah just do something in a dip That is so you.

Thank you. You know me. Unpredictable. What's you to do? I don't know. I would dare not predict. But I'm bloody looking forward to this report. Right.

Well, I'm sorry that I did presume you were both idiots like me. Yeah, you might have Sue out of Prue and me. What? This was suggested by Ed. Funnily enough, I think that's the only first. Like from Ed the TV show? Yeah, Mr. Ed. From Mr. Ed?

Yeah. That's a lot of Ed TV. shows. There's Ed, Ed and Eddie. Thank you. That's what I was thinking of. Wait, what was it? Ed, Ed and Eddie. Yeah. The first one had one D, second Ed and two days. That's right. Which is silly. What's going on?

An Eddie. My grandpa's... There was also that. There was a duo in the 90s called Someone and Eddie. And they had a song that went, you'll never find another girl. Oh. Oh, God. It's hard It's in my heart Would you hear me

How would I love you, baby Would I like to? That's amazing, the bullshit that remains in your brain. Was that like three 90s hits together? I think so. Maybe, did I? Sorry. I think that might have been a bit of a mesh.

It was a mashup. It was a job bunny mashup. Anyway, so no, just Ed. Suggested this one. No horse. No horse. No Ed. with two days or an Eddie involved.

Charles and Eddie is saying would I lie to you. Important fact. Charles and Eddie. Yeah. It's not a good, bad name is it? I think a one hit one, though. Do you think the names were Charles and Eddie? Oh, no, no.

The 90s was a wild time, Jess. You simple. Well, you were a 90s shot. Okay. Yeah. I wasn't an adult in the 90s. Please do go on. I'm so sorry, Jess.

So, at 650 on Wednesday, the 7th of August 1963, the travelling post office train set off from Glasgow Central Station en route to Euston Station in London. It was scheduled to arrive at Houston at 3.59 the following morning.

It's a long journey, then. It's a long journey. What, is this some sort of a time travelling? It set itself to arrive at the next day. That's cool. What is like, is this a Dolores?

It's like it's leaving at night. What? And then it arrives in the morning. Just like... That's cool. I don't know if it was a sci-fi thing. Yeah. Is this a true story?

You be the judge. Mothman part two. So the train consisted of 12 carriages and carried 72 post office staff who sorted mail during the journey. Does that piss you off? That's six staff members per carriage. Dave, am I right? On average, yes. 72.

Weirdly, I didn't notice that. That does bother me a little bit. How about 12? 10 carriages was 75. No, I'm okay with 12. Wait, isn't 72? That's a multiple of 24, right? Yeah, I know, but yeah.

Which is a day? That feels, 72 somehow feels like a round number to me. Yeah, 72 feels fine. I don't know why either. I don't understand me. Okay. The second carriage behind the engine was known as the HVP, which was the high value package.

coach, which carried large quantities of money and registered mail for sorting. Usually the value of the shipment was in the region of £300,000. It's not quite a lot of money at the time. Quite a lot. This is in the 60s. But because the previous weekend had been a UK bank holiday weekend, the total on this day was between 2.5 and 3 million pounds. That is some hot tamale.

That is a lot of pound. Yeah, too much pound. What did you enjoy about that? I don't know. I like to have you just put it so poetically. I'm like, what analogy is you going to use it? I play with the tension. Pausing.

Yes. Being comfortable in the silence. Yeah. That's your gift. That's your gift. No silence. Quick compliment her. I'm afraid of silence.

Feel the gap. That is not my gift. Compliment her. Okay, yes. So just after three, so they're not far from their destination. 3 a.m. Well, they left it's like 6.50pm. So yeah. So they're sort of in that, you know when your time travelling you're in that weird sort of zone in the middle and like numbers are floating through the sky and stuff? Yeah, yeah. And like cows. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And your mum? You're like, mum? I mean, we've all time travel, yes.

Mom? What are you? Oh, she's gone. I'm just like to do a wormhole. But safely. So just after 3 a.m., the driver, a man called Jack Mills, stopped the train on the West Coast main line at a red signal. Have a piss.

No, the signal had been tampered with. Someone had covered the green line. and connected a six-volt-ever-ready battery to power the red light. That sounds too easy to do. Yeah. A bit of branding involved there too. I like to name and shame. Yeah.

They know what they did. Yeah. They partook. The locomotive's second crew member, known as the second man or fireman. Oh, I mean. Fireman's a very confusing time. I would demand to be called the Fireman because second man sounds bad. Yeah, it's not particularly creative either.

But he was a 26-year-old guy called David Whitby. He climbed down from the cab to call the signalman from a railway trackside telephone, only to find that the cables had been cut. See, I once played a train signalman in a sketch, and that character's name was Trey Sigmund. Now that is creative. We took out four letters. I love it.

Did you write that? I think, no. I think that was Alastair Trumbly Birch. He would have written that kind of genius. Yeah, that sounds like something he would do. So good. He's so good, so talented. God, I wish it was more like that.

As he, so as David turned around and made his way back to the train, he was grabbed from behind and quickly overpowered. Meanwhile, the train driver, 58-year-old Jack Mills, waited in the cab. Mills ate. Waded in the cab for Whitby to return. Take it a bus. Witters.

Gang members entered the cabin from both sides of the train. train and as Mills grappled with one robber and attempted to force him off the off the train he was struck from behind by another gang member with a club like a nightclub yeah he was struck from behind over the back of the head by a nightclub oh my goodness yeah they just hit him with a building that is quite a blow right yeah to his self-esteem I assume yeah you'd feel like a real jackass if you got hit by a nightclub yeah I should have seen this coming. It's a nightclub.

I mean, they make a lot of sound. But they are notoriously dark and it was night time. That's right. And he was also very high. Ever been at a nightclub when they turn the lights on? It's sad. It's so sad. Moving at Festival Club once,

which is during the Melbourne International Comedy Festival, it's just Max Watts. It's a venue in Melbourne, but like that's sort of where everybody gathers. And it was 5 a.m. one time and they turned the lights on us. And it's like, oh, this place sucks in the lights. light. Oh, it's so gross. I can see you all. Oh, not good. The mystery or vanishes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I shouldn't have been there at 5 a.m. But it's having a good time. Anyway, so he's been hit over the back of the head. But now,

the robbers have a problem. Oh. They had to move the train. The bounces there go, not in those shoes, mate. Button up shirt, thanks, mate. But I've got three ladies with me. Doesn't that mean something in the 60s. I'm afraid not to it. All right. I went into it. This is, oh, I'm going to show how stupid I am. I went into a bar recently and at the front, obviously they're checking our ID and he's like scanning it. He was making small talk. Then he was taking a photo of us. And I, I was first. So I then like waited for my, the person I was with. And I saw what that comes up on the screen for them. And it has like your name,

age, um, everything. But then also says your star sign. And I was like, that's a bit funny. And then only a couple of hours later realized that they could ask kids with fake idea, what's your star sign? And I was like, oh. Star sign goes on, oh, Virgo, you'll be picking up to none. I was just like, that's a bit cute that it has that there. I wonder what the point of that is. And so they know how to deal with them, Virgo's.

Oh, in this moon phase. Yeah. We better keep our eyes on them. A bit of a perfectionist. You'll be trouble. You're not coming in. I'll just let in three Capricorns and you will be starting a fire. I know what you guys will like.

I know what you fire signs are like, if that's what they are. I don't know. Which I guess one in four chance. Yeah, true. Earth, fire, wind, water, heart. Go planet. Anyway, too many derailings for this railway themed episode. So they've got a problem.

The problem is that they have to move the train from where it's been stopped to a suitable place to load their truck with stolen money. They didn't bring someone who can drive a train. There was a bridge half a mile or approximately 800 metres ahead. They had thought ahead and hired a retired train driver as part of their gang to help with this exact task. Perfect. However. What? Despite having driven trains for many years, he was unable to operate this newer type of locomotive.

It's not automatic. Yeah. I don't get it. Where's the coal? With no other option, it was decided that Mills, they'd just made semi-unconscious, would have to move the train to the stopping point near the bridge. So it's just got to go 800 metres. It's not that far, but he's just going to be. to move the track.

And now they're like using the club to like wake him. Hitting him. Maybe we can bash some sense back into him. Put away the battering club. The waking club. They hit him on the back of the head. Now they're trying to hit him on the front of the head to like counteract it. Turn on this nightclub's lights.

He'll wake up. Sober him up. They hit him over there with a health club. A day spa. A coffee club. Give him a little hot cup of Joe. That'll wake up. The train.

was stopped at Bredago Bridge as the robber's assault force attacked the high value package carriage. The train staff were made to lie face down on the floor in the corner of the carriage and Mills and Whitby were then brought into the carriage, handcuffed together and put down beside the staff. And do the robbers have guns at this point or is it just clubs and there's lots of them? That's a good question. I don't think they had guns. There was approximately 15 of them. Okay. So it's a pretty big gang.

But I don't, I don't think they had like, yeah, I think they just had like clubs and brute force. They fought the robbers, they formed a human chain to remove all but eight of the 128 sacks from the HVP carriage. So they took 120. Thank you. Saxophones. Saxophones, yeah. Wow.

They're very valuable. They are valuable. If you're selling 120 saxons, bloody hell. Yeah, you're making a good money. couple grand apiece. You melt them down. You haven't like outlaid any money. So it's all profit.

Yeah. 100% profit. Yeah. So that's clever business. Yeah, that's a big band. Oh yeah, yeah. Ready to go. Yep.

So they're all good to go now with their 120 saxophone. It's like 10 inch. Ah, ha, ha, ha. Ha. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Sounds like, unfortunately, they forgot to bring someone... Paquilla. We forgot to bring someone who knew how to play the saxophone. So I had to wake up the driver. Mate, so sorry, we knocked you out again. But can you regain consciousness and test these saxophones? We need to know... We think they're faulty.

We need to know the best sounding ones. We're going to leave behind eight shit ones. I take the best 120. Luckily, he also knew how to play saxophone. No, so sacks of money and... Jewels. Other valuables. They transferred...

This took about 15 to 20 minutes, right? So they formed like a human change. It's passing everything off. Do you reckon they run drills and stuff like this? Probably. They departed some 30 minutes after the robbery had begun in their Austin Lodestar truck and in an effort to mislead any potential witnesses,

they used two Land Rover vehicles, both of which had the same registration plate, which was BM-757A. Okay, is that good? That's cool. Is that good to make people, like, it's more likely to remember it, aren't they? I think that's the idea.

They're the decoy ones, right? They'll just be confusing. I don't know how I feel smart, and I can't put my finger on my eye. I know, because then I sort of feel like you've got twice the chances of... Of remembering it. Wouldn't you just have no number plate on it?

I think it's sort of meant to be like a red, hearing, right? I thought these were decoys. That's not where the stuff was. They were just decoy. Well, there's 15 of them, so they need more than one car. Right. Imagine that.

Fuck, we've only bought one. I misunderstood. I thought they all went off in a truck, and then there were these two decoy land rovers. No, they've gone off in that as well. So they hit the road, and they're listening for police broadcasts on a vehementium radio. They are, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're journey taking somewhere between 45 minutes and an hour and they arrived back. Their journey of growth?

Yes, their personal journey. They're maturing. It's beautiful. Didn't take long though. They arrived back at Leather Slade Farm around 4.30am, which was the same time as the first reports of the crime were being made. So they were hearing on the radio like people reporting the crime. Now Leather Slade was a rundown farm, 27 miles or 43 kilometres from the crime scene.

It had been bought two months earlier. specifically to use as their hideout. Right, there's a lot of outlay going on here. Yeah. I mean, they could have just done it up and sold it for a profit. Yeah. It's a farm. Farm in the 60s.

Hang on to it for five years. Yeah. Triple your money. Give it a lick of paint. God's sake. I know. God's sake. Learn to invest.

But now they've got all these saxophones to decorate it with. Oh, no, it's a nightmare. We've been watching a lot of queer eye as well. and there's one guy who has like all these caps, much like that type of hat you like to wear Matt, and he has them all on his wall, and Bobby says, hats are great for the head,

and they are not daycore. And that's how I think he would feel about all of those saxons. They're great for the head, they're not day cool. They're not day cool. That's good sax. Is that even saxophone? It's good sex.

Yeah, that's a sax. I'm not sure that it is. Yeah, that's a sax. Is it? It's in tequila. Isn't it? No, that's scats. No, that's scats.

Very similar to sats. God, I'm not good at this. All right, so they've committed their crime. They've taken off. Let's take a step back for a moment. We've heard about the crime. Let's get to know the men behind it. Oh, I love it.

This is storytelling at its finest. I wrote all of that down. Let's take a step back. Okay, so there's a few names here, and I've just got little like summaries of each of them, like what they were doing in their lives and their star signs obviously. No, I don't have their star signs, but we can make them up.

We've got a one and twelve chance. Yeah, it's kind of be that hard. Bruce Reynolds was a thief and antiques dealer. He planned the robbery that had become one of the most notorious in British criminal history. He was kind of like the head honcho. There was also Ronald Buster Edwards, who was a former boxer and club owner,

widely believes to have been the one to hit Jack Mills over the head. With the club. He's a club owner. That makes sense. That makes sense. That does make sense. So he brought his nightclub with him. Yeah.

You wouldn't trust it. No, he's not there. That's true. Yeah, no. If he's not there, he doesn't feel comfortable. And that's fair. It's still from the till. There was Charles Frederick Wilson.

He was the treasurer who gave each of the robbers their cut of the hall. Roy. I love that they've given ranks for a criminal. It's good, isn't it? It just basically means there wasn't much else about that guy. Like, I don't know what it. There was the secretary. There was Roy John James.

Booking agent. Who was a chief getaway driver. That's a pretty good title. And nicknamed Weasel. He was a silversmith and a proficient racing driver. And he plans to invest his share of the cash in new car technology. Elon Musk. Wow.

Is that where he came from? Yes. Elon Musk. Yeah. Yes. I cannot confirm nor deny. Came from crime. Yeah.

There was a Bronwyn. Ryan Arthur Field, who was a crooked solicitor who helped make arrangements for their getaway. I think he was the one who also helped to buy the farm and stuff like that. There was Leonard Field, no relation. He was a merchant seaman. A skill set, not all that helpful with a train robbery. Guys, if this ship, I mean train, were to go into any water, I'd be the captain, all right? It's agreed.

He can't break that habit. Still calling it a ship. I'm going down with a ship. All right, Lenny. Leonard, get in the fucking truck. You mean get in the boat? Yeah. All right.

Get in that yacht over there. No problem. There was Gordon Goody. It was a hairdresser who moved to Spain to run a bar after his release. Also, I mean, maybe it will help with disguises. I don't know, but like doesn't seem like that essential when you're planning. In an interview with him, he was talking about how his dad wanted him to go into the family business or something like that. I don't remember what that was.

He was like, but I wanted to be. And I thought he was going to say hairdresser. And he's like, a thief. I was like, okay. Love it. Right. Hey, you know you. There was James Hussey.

He was a decorator known as Big Jim. Love it. Nice. Roger Cordry. I mean, if they were going to do up the house, he's very important. And we also need Roger, who's a florist. This is a rag tag band. It's so good.

Like on, in Reservable. dogs when they get people for their skill sets or Ocean's 11. It's even more the case. This is not that. All right, we've got the florist. We've got the decorator. It started off like the race car driver as the getaway driver. It's like, this is great. I mean, they've got that, but

they didn't get a train driver who could drive a train. Yeah, not the one they had. They also had James White, who was a former paratrooper. He was known as the quartermaster. That feels more useful. Yeah. This is a rough and tumble guy. Tommy Wisby, he was a bookie and self-confessed heavy.

I don't fully understand. It was his role to frighten the train staff, so he was just the big dude. There was Bobby Welch as well, he was a nightclub boss and later a car dealer and gambler. So that's the rag-tag bunch. So this raid, it wasn't a spontaneous thing. Obviously they'd bought the property ahead of time. It was devised over a period of months by a core team. So Goody and Edwards, along with Bruce Reynolds,

Charlie Wilson and Roy James, Reynolds assuming the role of mastermind for the robbery. And what was his background again? Bruce Reynolds was the, he was a thief and antiques dealer. All right, cool, cool, cool. And he did say you planned it. Yeah, he was sort of, yeah, one of the leaders of it. This gang, although they were very successful in the criminal underworld, had virtually no experience in stopping and robbing trains.

So they enlisted the help of another London gang called the South Coast Raiders. This group, which included Tommy Wisby, Bob Welch, Jim Hussie, were already accomplished train robbers. And that was Roger Cordry as well, the florist, a man who was a specialist in this field and knew how to rig the trackside signals to stop the train. So, like, I mean, Floresby, is that just a cover at this point? Must be. Oh, I mean, like, we all have all three of us do multiple things. That's right. Floresry is the day job.

Yeah, who are we to judge? Passion is train robbery. Yeah. And get smart. Could be the other way around. Don Adams' cover job was greeting card salesman, I'm pretty sure. That's a great. A similar sort of idea, florist.

Yeah, there you go. Just somebody you wouldn't expect. That's a good cover. I wouldn't expect it. You wouldn't be like, oh, been another big train robbery. Let's go bust the local florist. Do you know what? I went to a florist a couple of months ago and bought a bunch of flowers.

And it was a very small shop, and he didn't greet me when I walked in, like, just ignored me. Seemed annoyed that I was there, even though I was giving him money. But I noticed as he was wrapping the flowers up, it's so weird that I had this thought. But he had these monstrous hands. I was like, his hands were enormous. And I was sitting there watching him wrap these flowers. Like, he could kill someone with those hands. Oh, my goodness.

And now I think that was clearly a cover. Yeah, that makes sense. And the amount you paid daylight robbery. flowers are fucking expensive Do you think I have enough evidence to call the police? I think so. This man had large hands. Arrest him at once.

They were so big. They must have committed a murder. They could. If they haven't already, they could. Right. So back up to where we were up to, they've escaped. They've arrived at Leather Slade Farm around 4.30 in the morning, just as the crime is being reported.

Is there enough bedrooms for everyone? There is not enough bedrooms. Oh my goodness. This is so badly planned. Well, at the farm they countered the process. and divided it into 16. They counted the bedrooms. They counted the bedrooms.

We should have counted before, but there's 15 of us and there's only four bedrooms. It's just not good. Yeah, but heaps of bunk beds. Great. They're fine. Sorry, counted proceeds. And they divided it into 16 full shares and several smaller shares for associates, like the dodgy solicitor who are up and buy the farm as a hideout.

So they sort of had other associates to pay off, but they gave themselves larger shares, obviously. The full shares came to approximately 150,000 pound each. which is about 2.65 million today. Pounds. Pounds. Wow, so that's a really good money. That's huge. Yeah, that is a really good money.

I think someone should write that down. That's the quote of the day so far. That's a really good money. I'm pretty sure that is really good money. Oh, no, that is really good money. But what Dave said was that's a really good money. Sorry, new character. That's a really good money.

Italian accountant. Who doesn't do an Italian accent but does speak in broken English. That's a really good money. That's a more. Well, I learn any language. I like to nail the accent first, then learn the words. Okay. Malta, Benny.

Yeah. Va ben. Alora. They had food to last them quite a long time in hiding, although the plan was to stay there just for a few days before they thought it would be safe to leave. Sort of like hide out, lay low, and then they could go home. Apparently they're in really good spirits.

They were drinking. They were playing Monopoly with a really, real money? Wasn't there a couple of gamblers in the bunch? Oh, yeah. I bet they lost their money before the week was out. I think that's so crazy. I'd be like, yeah, let's play with the real money, but I'm not actually betting on it.

Well, then again, I'm not a gambler. Not a gambler. Or a robber. Or competitive at all, so I don't give a shit about it. Or a monopoly player. Or British. Try as I might. Or alive in the 60s.

That's some more, eh? See, I can't do it. That's a good of money. That's a good of money. The police had calculated that instead of taking off with their hall, they'd gone to ground within a 30-mile radius of the crime scene. That bloody right. Yes, but this was based on information given by a witness at the crime scene

who stated that a gang member had told the post office workers not to move for half an hour. Oh, for God's sake. The press interpreted this information as a 30-mile radius, which was about a half-hour drive and a fast car. Dickheads. Don't move for half an hour and please don't tell them to search the leather slayed farm. That's leather slayed farm.

Wait, can you explain that one more time? What happened there? So one of the robbers has said, don't move for half an hour. So they assume, well, they're travelling within a half hour radius. So now they have an approximate. They go, okay, well, they'd be driving pretty fast. This is an approximate area they're going to be in. That is really dumb if that is where they are about half an hour away.

Yes, Matthew, they are. Did you listen to any of what we said? Where did you go? That is not a good money. That is not a good money. That is not a good of memory. Not a good memory. The gang realised that this information

probably meant they'd be found sooner than they had anticipated, so they decided they would leave the farm the next day to avoid capture. Guys, we haven't finished the game of Monopoly. I'm looking pretty good. I don't want to stop until Matt lands on my Mayfair hotel.

Someone take a photo of the book. board. We can recreate this later at our next hideout. Oh my God. Do people do that? Probably. How sad. Monopoly is a, it's a divisive game.

It is ruined friendships and families. I've never, I've never been near one a completed game. No. Really? It's fun. I haven't played it since I was a kid, but it does feel boring to me. Are we going to play Monopoly? No.

I'd be well up for it. We'll have a little dinner. We'll have a little wine. You want some wine, some cheese? I'll be out for another. We play trivial pursuit or something. Yeah, okay, that makes more sense for us. But I'm an idiot.

Let's play Yatsi. Yatsi! Only if I can yell Yatsi every time. That's a key part of the game. But I will be only increasing in enthusiasm and volume. I think we should play trivial pursuit but still yell Yatsi. Okay. Can I yell Monopoly?

Certainly not. Oh, I'm not coming. Anyway, so they're deciding to leave the farm. Now, it had been arranged that an associate referred to as Mark was paid to burn down the farm in order to destroy the evidence. What kind of evidence are they leaving there? Like fingerprints and... Monopoly boards. Oh, right, of course.

Physical evidence of them being there because they were there. Right. Yeah. However, Mark didn't do this. He did a runner, and by the time the gang were ready to get back to the farm, the police had already found their hiding spot under the kitchen of the abandoned house. So they'd borrowed like underground. They weren't just in a house.

They were sort of in like a bunker underneath. Oh, that's awesome. So they were, I think, pretty well covered, but the police found it quite easily. So what, did they discover that Mark hadn't burned it down so they were trying to get back too burned it down? Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was all within a couple of days. Couple of days.

Couple of day. So they, I think, so let's say it was a Wednesday when they did the ground. Thursday, Wednesday when they did the crime. And they were planning on leaving. Originally it was going to be like Sunday. They'd say there for a few days. And then Mark would do it Monday. But they left the next day, like Friday.

And he didn't go and burn the place down. So by the time they've realized he's done a runner and they go back to do it themselves, the police had already found it. Oh. So that's not good. I had to burn the police down. I had to burn the police down. And in an interview that I saw as well,

somebody was like, if you're going to hide, like hide in the city because people in the country are a little bit nosier. Yeah. They sort of know what's going on a bit more. When a group of 15 guys

that they've never seen before, rock up. Rock up and then you don't see him because they've gone underground. Yeah. What's going on? They all go, but their truck's still there.

The police were actually given a tip-off from a herdsman who used a field adjacent to a, a leather slayed farm who obviously must have seen something out of the ordinary that people were probably there or cars were there

or something. So he's tipped them off and a few days after the robbery a police sergeant a constable went to the property and the farm was deserted but they found the trucks used by the robbers which had been hastily painted yellow like that sounds like

they've done a shit job. Like, ah, it's a different car. It's like, oh, yeah, a bright yellow truck. They also found a large quantity of food, bedding, sleeping bags, post office sacks, registered mail packages, banknote wrappers, and a monopoly board game. They did leave the monopoly. I like the, I'm trying to get away with it by painting a different car. It's like going, oh, but we were looking for a red truck.

Oh, that mustn't be it. Or it's like the guy going, um, I'm going to. put on this hat. And the cops rock up and like, oh, our guy didn't have a hat on. That can't be him. Sorry to bother you, Mr. Hat. You know how they had like one truck and then the two land rovers that matched? Yeah.

Well, they were both there as well. Right, great. And not painted. I don't understand the point of the number plate thing if they're both just going to be there. Yeah, I don't really get that either. It almost feels like you have twice the chance of getting caught. Yeah. People remember the number.

I thought they were decoys, but it feels like they were just things. They just drove to the same place. Yeah. It's like people were like, oh, I was seeing double. I must be misremembering. I won't tell the cops. Four crusties. I was seeing four crusties.

So they've done a real sweep of all the evidence that's left behind. And the police undertook a major search. They found out from the crime scene after having failed to find any forensic evidence there. A watch was put on the seaports. And the postmaster general, Reginald, Bevens offered a 10,000 pound reward to the first person giving information leading to the apprehension and conviction of the person's responsible for the robbery. And in the, in the public, it was quite divisive. Like some people were like, well, they're robbers, like they're

bad guys, but other people were kind of like good on them. Because it was so ballsy, because it was such a big thing that they, like so much money, an unfathomable amount of money at the time for them to have got away with. Some people were kind of like a bit Robin Hood, even though they weren't giving it to the poor, they were taking it for themselves. Batch the shit out of a train driver. Yeah, I know.

And that's the thing. Obviously, you look at it and go, well, no, they're criminals. But some people at the time were sort of like, what a bunch of heroes. Jess, you say that some people at the time, me right now, I'm barricing for them to get away. I can't help myself. No, I always do the same thing too.

It's like, go on. Why'd you leave the monopoly board? Fuck. Even while you were saying that and then you go, they did bash a gun and I'm like, oh yeah, fuck.

Yeah, you might change your mind with more information as well. Oh, okay. Oh, they didn't bash a guy. Oh, no,

they did. So the first member to be caught was Roger Cordry. I think he was a florist. Of course. He went straight back to the flower shop. Couldn't resist. The Bournemouth police were tipped off

by a police widow, Ethel Clark, when Cordray and he's friend William B-O-A-L, B-O-A-L, Bo-L, B-L, paid rent for a garage three months in advance, all in used 10-shilling notes. Used, was noteworthy? Use to pay in brand new 10-shilling notes.

Yeah, good point. Oh, yuck. So she was like, something's not quite right here, so she tipped off the police. Imagine you're calling the police about that. The money has been used. In a brutal and heartbreaking King twist. William Boll, who was not involved in the robbery at all, was sent us to 24 years

in prison for the robbery. And he died in prison in 1970. So what was his connection again? He was just a friend of one of them. Renting the garage. Yeah, he and his friend Roger were renting this space. I think he was probably helping him lie low. He might have known what Roger had been involved in, but he had nothing to do with it. And this is where I think your opinion might change of them because, and I haven't written this down perfectly, so I'm going from memory here of a docker that I watched, but a lot of them pleaded not guilty and claimed they didn't do it in their trials. So when he was up as well, they couldn't say, no, no, he wasn't involved because that

would then mean they were admitting it. But then somebody made the point that once they're all convicted and they're in jail, then it doesn't hurt you at all to let him to speak up. Unless they're still trying to appeal. Be like, well, I'm convicted, but he wasn't involved. And he died in prison. An innocent man. Isn't that fucked?

Yeah, that's heartbreaking. And like even some of the robbers were like, yeah, that was wrong. He shouldn't have gone to prison for him. Oh, that was, that is big of them. Yeah. No, no, they do sound like good. Come back around on them. They're all right.

So other arrests followed after Roger as well. Eight of the gang members and several associates were caught. The other arrests were made by Sergeant Stan Davis and probationary constable, Gordon Charlie case. I don't know why you get Charlie from Gordon, but okay. Jess, by the way, you know how I'm like, I know this, so I have not known a single piece of this so far. That's good. I've heard of it is what it turns out. All I knew about it was the name, I think.

And you haven't mentioned Biggsie yet. I just realized that too. I think I skipped him in my list. Oh, right. I'm like, where does he come? There was another Ronnie you mentioned. You're right. I must have missed me on my list.

There was Ronald Biggs as well. Right. I was starting to think that maybe he came in late somehow. I'm like, I really don't know this. story at all. No, he doesn't want to question that. In fact, he's in like a sentence I have coming up. So what's his background there?

I don't, I don't remember what he's sort of, hang on, let's. Because you said another one. When you said Ronald, yeah, I thought. I was like, well, maybe when he goes on the run, he changes his name and the media pick that up. So that's why we all know him. I've got it here. Ronnie Biggs.

Yeah, because I'd always assumed he must have been like one of the real key players. Like the leader, I thought. But maybe it's just because something that happened later made him capture the attention. Well, yeah, Ronnie, I don't have much here about what his, you know how the others were like a florist or a racing car driver. I don't have heaps here about what his main skills were. But he did go on to be one of the most sort of famous of this group for what he did after this. Right. So, and I'll talk a bit about that later as well.

became an Olympic runner triathlete. Amazing. Looking forward to that part of the story. I mean, that's really hiding in plain sight, is that? And he also... Representing your country and getting a gold medal. His nickname that he gave himself

was the fastest man who had ever gotten away with a train robbery. And it was catchy. I mean, if you've ever robbed a train, would you call yourself that? Yeah. No, no. Of course not. No, no. That's smart.

That's why they called him Bigsy Because he had Biggs brains That's a Biggs of money That's a Biggs of money So on the 16th of August Two people were taking a morning stroll In dorking woods Dorking

I bet the people who live around there A bit lame Are they just? Yes Oh They discovered a briefcase And a camel skin bag, both of which contained money.

Used? They called the police, who also discovered another briefcase full of money in the woods. In total, a sum of £100,000 was found. I never find these briefcases. Not once. Have I ever found a briefcase with $100,000? You're not looking.

Yeah, I know. I know. Get off my ass and look for the briefcase. The question, of course, is. You sound like my mum. If you're in Dorkingwood, you find 100 grand, equivalent to what, 2 million pounds or something these days. Do you call the police?

Yeah, if you're a dork, you do. Yeah, and these guys are dorks. I hadn't connected that. Yeah. Inside the camel skin bag as well was a receipt from the, from a cafe, a restaurant. It said one train robbed, signed bludgeoned man. It's weird to sign off like that, but. And it had.

I mean, he had a concussion. Yeah. That makes sense. It had Brian Fields' name on it. So this led to his arrest a month later on the 15th of September. How many times you go to a restaurant, they give you a receipt with your name on it? Yep. What an idiot.

And if you, I mean, if you don't want to get taken by the cops, don't go to a restaurant. I mean, it's in the name, arrest. No, I'm not giving you that one. No, I am. No. That is. That's a crowd splitter, sure. Yeah.

It took too much of a run-up. You're a great divider. I know we've, you know, I always try to go with you on things, but that was a piece of shit. Honestly, I have annoyed the crap out of me on this episode, and I'm so, sorry to everyone listening. I can't stop. I don't know what's happened. I think I'm overtied or under-tied. So, tired.

Tired? I'm under-tied. You need to go and have a little spew? Yes. Will that help? All right. It helps for her. Half an hour.

Jess had a great run after that. She did. And then I crashed again. Yeah, and spewed a bit more. And then I had to go home and go to bed. I was not okay. A roller coaster. Oh, God.

What a day. So then following all of this as well was the capture of Roy James, Ronnie Biggs, Jim Hussie and John Daly. So pretty much all of them. Are they running each other out at this point? No, I don't think so. I just didn't think they're covering their tracks. I mean, covering their tracks all that.

I mean, one of them left. hundred grand in a forest. It's not very clever. With a receipt and it with his name on it. Like you're not bright. Now the trial of the robbers began at Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire the next year, in January 20th,

1964. Because it would be necessary to accommodate a large number of lawyers and journalists, the existing court was deemed too small. And so the offices were specially converted, the offices of the rural district council was specially converted for the event.

I thought that's pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, more taxpayer money wasted on these quotes. So the defendants were brought to the court each day from Aylesbury Prison in a compartmentalised van out of view of the large crowd of spectators. And Mr Justice Edmund Davies presided over the trial, which lasted 51 days and included 613 exhibits and 240 witnesses. This is going to sound like a dumb girl.

But is his first name, Justice? I also thought, what a fortunate name. Isn't that great? So good. Mr. Justice. It's like that actor in America called Judge someone. What's his name? Dred.

First name's Judge. Oh, I don't think I know him. I don't know if I made that up. You think of Ashley Judd? I'm thinking of Ashley Judd. God, she's good. She is good. God damn it.

Double Jeopardy. Is that her? So good. Yes. So on the 11th of February, 1964, there was a sensation when John Daly was found to have no case to answer. His counsel claimed that the evidence against his client was limited to his fingerprints being on the monopoly set found at Leather Slade Farm and the fact that he went underground after the robbery.

But his counsel went on to say that Daley had played the monopoly game with his brother-in-law, Bruce Reynolds, earlier in 1963, and that he had gone underground only because he was a associated with people publicly sought by the police. This was not proof of involvement in the conspiracy, and the judge agreed, and the jury were directed to acquit him. I mean, if putting a hotel on Parkland and Mayfair is a crime, put me away now. Lock me up, Your Honor.

But if it's not a crime to charge reasonable board for a great facility at a very high-priced hotel, then let me go, because I have a hotel to run. Thank you. I'll arrest my case. God, you could represent yourself. I will. I mean, you'd almost definitely go to jail, but you could.

I could. You could if you wanted to. I don't understand any of the processes, but I'm going to try. So they're directed to acquits. This guy gets off, he was involved. Yes. Guy not involved, Boal. Yep, in jail.

Doesn't make a lot of sense. Gosh. As for the rest of the accused, 30 years imprisonment was handed down to seven of the robbers, while Brian Field and Leonard Field, no relation, successfully appealed the charges of conspiracy to rob, meaning they would only serve five years for the lesser crime of obstructing justice. So they got smaller sentences.

At the time, the severity of the sentences caused some surprise, particularly given that their sentences were longer than the sentences handed down to murderers and armed robbers at the time. When mastermind Bruce Reynolds was a result, arrested in 1968. He allegedly told arresting officer Tommy Butler that those sentences had a detrimental effect. According to him, they'd promoted criminals generally to take guns with them when they set out on robberies.

Because it's like, you're going to get 30 anyway. That seems weird. Bruce Reynolds' son talks about the day, because Bruce Reynolds kind of avoided. It wasn't until 68. So it was about five years or something. They were on the run. So the mastermind's on the run. He'd be thinking the whole time, don't squeal.

Don't you squeal. And so his son talks about the day that the cops turned up and got him. And that his dad was kind of like, so the officer's name, arresting officer, it was Tommy. And he saw him and was like, Tommy? Like he was waiting for it, basically, that whole time. And then he went off to prison. What I do I have?

Pretty full on. Tommy Butler. Tommy, I know why you're here. Don't know where you're here. Tommy Butler. If it isn't Tommy Butler. Doesn't this feel like a guy richie film? Yeah, Tommy.

Tommy the Tatler. Here we are. Hey? New you're coming, Tommy. Jess has lent back. She's let me go. Wants to see what happens here. Not going anywhere.

That's fine. Good to see you, Tommy. Thanks for coming by. Let's go. I'll stop you there. You are going somewhere. You're going to jail. No, no.

Oh, right. Sorry, I was thinking of a different, Tommy. You're the cop one. I thought you're the florist. All right. Off we pop. We get in the batty van. Here we go, Tommy.

All right. I mean, you could just walk quietly to the car. You'd have to commentate the whole way there. Here we go. Left right, left, right. One foot after the other. I see how mama used to say to me. Left right.

All right. Here we go. Opening the door now. All right. Put my first leg in. Second leg. Watch your head. Watch my head there.

butts on the seat, buckle up, shut that door, here we go, starting the engine, driving off round the corner, here we go, all right, we're on the M1, which is a highway in Melbourne, interesting choice of direction to take, feels like a long way around, and seen. Weird thing to say there, as we're... Oh, for fuck sake. No, enough. I've got a bit of a, where are they now? I'm going to leave Ronnie Biggs to the last.

I love it. Where are they now? Well, where are they then? It was basically after. Where are they then? It doesn't have quite the same ring to it. I can't quite do. Where are they then?

Let's find out. Well, this is what happened to them after their trials and imprisonments. Okay. Bruce Reynolds fled to Mexico on a false passport, then later to Canada with his wife, Angela, and son Nick. As we were talking about just then, in 68, 5 years after the crime, he returned to England and was captured and jailed for 25 years. So that's how he got away.

He went overseas. Yeah, he fled. He was released in 1978 and lived alone and broke in a small flat off London's Edgeware Road. He was jailed again in the 1980s for three years for dealing amphetamines. After his second release, he went on to work briefly as a consultant on the film about the robbery. The film was called Buster and published the autobiography of a thief in 1995. He died in February of 2013. But you only went to jail for 10 years.

And just a quick note of all of these, it doesn't really seem like this robbery paid off for any of them. I mean, first of all, they got caught and jail, so they don't actually have that money. But none of them went on to have great lives, to be honest. I mean, they just had so much potential. Yeah. And do you take it all back to not having the place burnt down? A couple of those big mistakes? Oh, I don't know.

Do you think they would have got away with it without that evidence? I think there's just too many people. Yeah. Too many leaks. At least 16 people know about the crime. You catch one and if one speaks. Got to catch them all. Got to catch them all.

Honestly, I think a trio, for example, us is the perfect... I will rat you out so. fucking fast. Are you kidding me? But that's only if they get you. Yeah, but I would say, let me off if I give you the names of the other two. And I'll say, no, we know it was Matt and Dave, you three do everything together. And I'd go, nah,

shut up, we don't. It's different people. Say you'll let me go and I'll tell you who it really was. Yeah, and then he named people that's innocent. Yeah, it was Mark Broden and Adam Knox. Weird group, but they did it. Yeah. Zach was not present. Zach is a good boy.

Anyway, Brian Field, after being sentenced in 1964, he served four years of his five-year sentence. He was released in 1967. He changed his name to Brian Carlton to disappear. Sometime after he's released from prison, he married Cianne from Wales. And in the mid to late 70s, they worked for a children's book centre in Kensington High Street in London. he and his wife were responsible for the company's operation in central and southern Europe to where they shipped English language books and held book fairs at international English schools. I was going to say you're right.

Everyone sounds like that a horrible life after it's worked in books. Yeah, and like the head of Southern Europe or whatever. That's pretty big. Field aged 44 and his wife aged 28, died in car crash. Oh, fuck, all right. Oh. When his dick exploded. Where did your dick exploded from?

Where was that coming from? They drowned in success. I don't think, I imagine it came out of nowhere for him as well. There was a light burning and then all of a sudden My dick exploded. Went from a light burning to explosion way too quickly. Yeah. Then I realised that the light burning was the wick.

Oh, was there a wick hanging out? That's really painful. He's got died in a car crash. You monsters. In some ways, that is more tragic than a penis exploding. In some ways. Yeah. Right, that's unfortunate.

Yeah, and that was in 79, so when he was 44. It's starting to feel a little bit like that movie, Final Destination. The Pharaoh's Curse. Yes. That was, what, the seventh sequel? Final Destination, The Pharaoh's Curse. That probably would have been a better film than the first five sequels. Then there was Ronnie Edwards, Ronald Edwards.

Like Bruce Reynolds, the former boxer and club owner fled to Mexico after the robbery, but gave himself up in 1966, and a couple years later. The year the Saints won the Premiership. He lived to see the Saints win, and then decided, I don't care. Yeah. After serving nine years in jail,

he became a familiar figure, selling flowers outside London's Waterloo Station. He was found hanged in a garage in 1994. Again, I was about to say, that sounds... That's okay, that's a career. At the age of 62. Charles Wilson was captured quickly and during his trial earned the nickname

the silent man because he refused to say anything. Makes sense. Not one of those ironic names. He's a real talker. He would not shut up. He was jailed for 30 years but escaped after just four months, only to be captured again in Canada after four years on the run. And he served another decade behind bars.

Four years on the run is pretty good. Yeah, it's great. And another decade, because his sentence was 30 years, so that's not too bad. When he finally emerged from prison in 1978, he moved to Spain, where he was shot and killed by a hitman on a bicycle in 1990. This does sound like a curse.

Yeah. Totally. How fucked is this? So, he was shot by a hitman on a bicycle. Yeah. I don't know if he was on the bicycle or the hitman was on the bicycle. I reckon the hitman's on a bicycle. I like, yeah, the idea of it.

You could ride by. Yeah. And they're just slightly cheaper than those driving hitmen. Yeah. You go to the hitman agency. You weigh up your price. like you could probably only afford maybe a guy on a bike bike scooter maybe if raise a scooter raise a scooter no I was thinking more of a moped yeah no raise a scooter

that's a really low budget roller skates no one's going to think they're a killer true they think they're whimsical yeah because they are um then there's roy james after serving 12 years of a 30 year sentence, he sold silver at a market before moving to Spain. In 1993, he was jailed again for six years for shooting his wife's father and hitting her with a pistol. He died soon after getting out of prison, age 62. A couple dying at 62. He sounded like a bad guy.

Yeah. A lot of them are going to Spanish-speaking countries, including Spain and Mexico. There's no extradition there. This one, I don't have, because I've been doing this a lot, not on purpose, but you guys have been going, oh, this sounds okay. and then I hit you with something painful. Yeah. This one, there's nothing bad here.

Gordon Goody was released in 1975 and he moved to Spain to run a bar. I have no further sentences. Really? That one sounds okay. Still there, parting to this day. Who knows what happened? Mahito's a dusk.

Is that a thing? Is now? Is that the name of the bar? Yeah. James Hussey was released in 75. After working on a market stall, he laid open to a restaurant in Soho. In 1989, he was jailed for 70s.

years for a drug smuggling conspiracy with fellow train robber Wisby. Oh, okay. So they were still friends, which is cute. Roger Cordry, our florist. Tommy works out for the florist. He was jailed for 20 years, reduced to 14 on appeal. Following his release in 1971, he went back to the flower business and moved to

the West Country. Nothing bad, nothing bad. Oh, that's pretty good. The flower business. Yeah. Tommy Wisby, who I just mentioned by, before. He was the, he was the, he was the bookie and the, and the heavy man. He, um, was sentenced to 30 years and released in 1976, but he was jailed for another 10 years in

1989 for cocaine dealing. After his release, he ran a flower stall and went to live in North London. He suffered several strokes as his health deteriorated. Are these flowers stores like dealing drugs or something? Is that was, there's so many of them that go to this business. Yeah. Flowers. Flower stores. Like with a Glasgow ice cream? Moors, remember. Yes. Which we did an episode on.

Which we did an episode on, because they were getting the ice cream trucks because it was easy to sell drugs to kids through that. I don't know, maybe it's a good front. Maybe. Now I'm ever going to trust a forest again. All those poppies? Yeah, that's right. Opium.

Of course. We've got a couple more. Bobby Welch, who was a nightclub boss, was sentenced to 30 years, really, and was released in 1976. So he was released early as well. Bobby Welch. It was later. name. He later had an operation on his leg and the operation went wrong so he was left.

With three legs. They did it on his arm. After Jaley became a car dealer and gambler in London. He's the... Car dealer or car dealer? Car. Car dealer and gambler. Not like Maxwell Smart. John Wheder was a solicitor who was convicted of conspiring to pervert the course of justice. He was sentenced to three years. and released in 1966.

He went on to live in Surrey. Again, nothing too bad. And that is horrible. The worst fate of all. My goodness. It's all he saved him to the last. Not knowing anything about Surrey, I'm not afraid to say an absolute hole in the ground. Oh my goodness.

Nah, beautiful place. Hold on, sorry. Now, you could pretty much do an entire episode on Ronnie Biggs, but a little bit of a rundown for you here. After only serving 15 months, Ronnie Biggs successfully escaped from prison in April of 1965 with the help of an escape team. He had plastic surgery in France and moved firstly to Australia and then Brazil, evading a number of arrests. During this time, he courted the media with his story. Detectives travelled to Brazil in 1974 in the hope of catching him, but they were thwarted because Biggs by then had a fourth son.

Michael with his Brazilian girlfriend who made him legally untouchable. It's like out of their jurisdiction. Three sons, fine. Four sons. You got four kids. Damn it. It's like four races in the hole. Damn it.

They're on the plane and he's like busily going, come on, let's have another kid. He's like, come on. Bowning real good. Okay. For a second that I was concerned, you did not know where kids came from. And I was like, oh, oh dear. It's just not just like, he's just like talking to her. His wife's belly.

Come on. Come on. Baby. Son. Baby. Need to be a son. So do you reckon the plastic surgery is any good? What's he done?

He had a bit of nose work. A nip and tuck. I mean, like, is it purely for, because he wants to look different? Or is he also, like, taking liberties? I've always wanted to have. I'm sure you would. Wouldn't you? I mean, if you were going to do it to change your appearance anyway, you'd change your appearance for the better.

Yeah. You're not going to be like, make me uglier. Yeah, but maybe. I'd do it for practicalities. I'd get my eyebrows put out three inches in front of my face to get some rain falling on. Amazing. Three inches.

Yeah, like a peak of a cap. I want to be on like little sticks? Permanent hat. Hang it out? Yeah. How are they attached to your brow? No, to me, that was a real dumb question. Dave.

Yeah, Dave. You don't get it. Sorry, are you saying the tufts of hair? I just longer. No, no, your forehead, you're extending out in a thin. You're basically turning your forehead into like the brim of a hat. Oh, sorry, that was a dumb question. I'm so sorry.

No, no, no. I don't know that it was. I'm not a visual thinker, sorry, I apologize. That's why you do the plastic surgery around here. That's right. And you're still booked in for Tuesday morning? Please. Thank you.

Just do what you will. I'm leaving up to you. Well, I think I've got some real big plans for, I already have quite a large forehead, so this will be interesting. Putting your nose on your mouth. Wow, people will never suspect me of being a robber. Yeah, that's the plan. I'll never talk again.

Mouth breather, watch out. Yeah, and putting your ears on your mouth. It's all of them. It's just moving everything to your mouth, basically. Oh, thank you. It'll be a very crowded area. I look so different. Nobody will ever know it was Dave.

A few more fun facts about Ronnie. He released a single with the sex pistols in 1978 after lead singer Johnny Rotten had left the band. So he's the new Johnny Rotten? So this whole time everyone knows it's him. He's living it up in Brazil. Yep. But they can't touch him.

In April of 1981, he was kidnapped by a guy. gang of British ex-soldiers who were hoping to collect a reward from the British police, but the boat they took him aboard suffered mechanical problems off of Barbados. Oh no, they didn't have someone who could drive a boat. We'll have to wake up the train driver. The stranded kidnappers and Biggs were rescued by the Barbados Coast Guard. Barbados had no extradition treaty with the UK and Biggs were sent back to Brazil. Eventually in 2001 he was very ill, he decided to return to Britain and face arrest.

His health continued to deteriorate while serving the remainder of his sentence and he was finally freed in 2009 on compassionate grounds by then Justice Secretary Jack Straw and he died in the early hours of the 18th of December of that year. So he went to jail for... Sorry, he went to jail for eight years? Yes. Wow. Yeah, right at the end of his life.

So what year did he die? Because I remember this in the news. 2009? 2009, right. I believe, yeah. Why do you reckon Brazil didn't have good health care? Is that why he needed to jump? I also vaguely remember him doing media in my childhood.

Sorry, he died in 2013. 2013, right. So he was out of prison for a few years. Oh, right, so he had been out. He wasn't in the whole time. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I remember seeing him interviewed on TV a bit. Yeah, he's, vaguely.

Yeah. Did it like a book tour or something? I suppose if he's doing that sex pistol song. Yeah. That's such a big fuck-year, isn't it? He had quite an interesting life. But like I mentioned, like we could do, I could go on and on and on it, probably about him. So that's why he, so he was the most famous in the end, the one we've heard of because of how long he got away from the authoritized.

Yeah. And he was a bit of like a fuck you. Yeah. He was like, eh, you can't get me. It was a bit of that. Right. So that. brings me to the end of my report on the great train robbery.

I can see why it is the great train robbery. Yes. Even though it all went wrong very early on. Yes. Only one train robbery has that title. It's crazy. It almost was like they were cursed by something. Yeah.

It really does feel to me like they have made a, there's been a mini series about it, or like a two-part of series in the UK. But it feels like that's the guy Richie film waiting to be good. You know? That's like a lockstock type of film. It also has a bit of a feel of the Great Escape is sort of our picture. You know, spoiler alert.

A little moment there for people to have. I haven't seen that old movie. But towards the end, the escapees, you follow their stories outside of the prison camp and a lot of them don't end well. Nearly none of them, I think. Yeah. It's just so interesting that, yeah,

even as some of them only serving a relatively short period of time. For a 30-year sentence, they only serve, say, like 10 of it, let's say. 30 years feels wild for... For that, yeah. And that's, I think, again, part of... Part from maybe the one who beat the guy, but did the train guy survive okay? He didn't go back to work, I don't think. He wasn't able to.

Wow, okay. He was left, I believe, brain damaged. Okay. And he died later. I think he got sick. I'm remembering leukemia. Right. Okay.

So, yeah, hefty sentences make sense. But he wasn't murdered at that time. You know, like you see in a movie like a guy going, don't, and they pass out and you picture them waking up the next day going. What happened? Yeah, or even like half an hour later being like, oh. Anyway, back to work. Yeah. Obviously that doesn't happen.

No. That large sentence for that crime was part of why people were sort of like. thinking of them more like heroes or kind of siding with being a bit more sympathetic towards them because it felt like it was maybe it overboard. But none of them really seemed to learn from, well, a couple of them didn't go back to crime, but most did and were later put in jail for other things. So it's like they were just criminals regardless. Like they didn't learn from being caught.

Right. You know, and serving time, they went back to crime anyway. Prisons are famously places where you learn to be better. criminals, aren't they? They used to be. They didn't used to put so much time in a rehabilitation, I think. Are they better now? I have no idea.

I studied criminology a long time ago. Yeah, back in the 20s. Yeah, back in the 18-20s. You pioneered the field. Yeah. Yeah. The labeling theory, that's one of mine. Is it?

No. That's right. Don't lie to us. It would have been someone to be proud of. Yeah. Oh, dear. But you have nothing to be proud of. No.

And I don't, I don't feel bad for saying that. That's a big money And that's a bigger money And that is a bigger reporter From Jess Well done there That was a good story Yeah fun hey

Enjoyed Enjoyed the ride there I'm looking forward To the guy Richie film I reckon that'd be awesome If he's listening Which I assume he does

Yeah We can't I would Yeah I would happily be a consultant On that film Yes Um

Play a minor role Perhaps Sure Okay minor No I'm humble Um And also Most of the big roles

Are men I believe you. Typical. Yeah. In this day and age, I reckon they could cast you as Ronnie. Thank you. I could do it. Maybe they could do a gender swap as well.

Yes. Ocean's eight style. Love it. Yes. Yes. Y. Yes. Ronda Biggs.

Ronda Biggs. No. No. It's all falling apart there. The pitch meeting, they just say, no. It would still be Ronnie. They've got their pen. on the checkbook.

Just got across this tea? Unclick. By the way, the main character's name's Rhonda. Thanks for dropping by. You're pointing at the door. Matt, stop doing physical gags on this podcast. You'll never work in this. Very good.

They'll never work in this town again. Oh, wow. Yep, so there you go. Thanks, Boppa. That was great. I really did know nothing about that. I tried. Do you know what?

I wrote that report with Dave Warnikin mind. Right. I was like, how would Dave frame this? There was a real Dave-esque. Do you reckon? Is this why I liked it so much?

Yeah, I'm not just saying that. No, I'm not just saying. That's why I started with like what happened and then I went back a bit. I love the jumping around. That really appealed to me. Yeah.

So thank you. My favorite part was probably the where are they then? Me too. That's a real Dave segment. I would definitely do that. Where are they now? Also, I looked up, because I'm sure people will be

annoyed by the short mention. Judge Reinhold is the actor's name, but it's a nickname. His real name's Edward Ernest Reinhold. Did you also look up... Judge Reinhold. That guy. Was he from?

From like Beverly Hills Cop and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, I know him. He is. He is a mum's boyfriend in something. Wow. The role he was born to play. It's either... In a TV show?

No, it's in a film. He is the boyfriend of someone, is he? He's in stripes with Bill Murray. Yes, he is in stripes. What else is he? He's in Gremlins? No. Beverly Hills Cop.

No. I mean, yes, he's in these things. Beverly Hills Cop 2. Ah, no, I swear he's a mom's boyfriend. Dad is done. Who's got the will? Oh, wow. That's bad.

Is that the name of a film? Yeah, bank robber, Beverly Hills Cop 3. Oh, the Santa Claus. Yes. Yes. He's the new, he's like the stepdad and the same. Santa Claus. Oh my God, I did it. I was going to say opposite Robin Williams, but it's Tim Allen. Is this weird? He's in Beethoven's Third. Earlier tonight, I was playing Beethoven's Third Symphony

to the others for some reason. Wow. Wow. That is weird. That is weird. It's borderline weird. I'm freaking out. I'm freaking out here. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. Oh my God. Stop. Let's just thank some people. Oh, great. That's our way out of it. Our way out is to remind everyone that if you love the show and you listen every week and you want to keep the show rocking and rolling, you want to give back a little bit in exchange for some rewards like bonus episodes and shoutouts and voting on the topics so you decide what we talk about each week.

You can do so at Patreon. Patreon.com slash do go on pod. You get all the above mentioned things at the different levels and including being thanked on one of the episodes, which is for six lucky people going to happen right now. No, well, just before we do that, we've got our new famous segment so famous that Dave will never forget it. It's called fact, quote or questions. What's it going to be this week, Maddie?

Fact quote or question. This is, of course, submitted by a Patreon subscriber at the Sydney-Shaunberg level. This week, Dave, it is a question. Come on, now. This week, Sydney, Sean. Spanberg level Patreon is Danielle Summers. Hello, Danielle. And also every week, the Sydney Shineberger gets to give themselves a title before asking a question or giving a fact or a quote.

And this week, Danielle has said she wants to be titled This Week's Ringo. Oh, love it. Yes, good decision. She said, or makes something up. But I like this week's wringo. We are very lazy. We will not be doing that, thank you. Dave, quick.

First thing that comes to your head of title. John the Baptist. So you've got two options there, Danielle. One of those being the one you came up with, which is way better. Or one come up with by someone who is a semi-professional comedian. Semi-pro. He's gone semi-pro, everybody. And the question, Danielle, or John the Baptist, or this week's Ringo asks, is.

What would be the title of each of your individual autobiographies? John the Baptist. That's what your Dave's life work titled John the Baptist, the Dave Warnocky story. That's confusing. And I love it. Mine would be, hey, I tried. Oh, that's nice. Maybe what would Dave's be?

Because he clearly can't come up with. Golden tonsils. Yeah, golden tonsils. I do have a title that I've been working on. Oh, fucking why. Why? What makes you think anyone would want to read your fucking memoir? First question, why?

Second question, why didn't you answer that in the first place? Because I went with the joke answer first. Well, he always does. Is that what it's called? This isn't for a memoir, but I've always wanted to call a show this. And it makes sense for a book. So why not call it this? What?

War Diary of an illiterate pacifist. What the fuck is wrong with you? There you go. That's quite a funny title to me. Why would an illiterate pacifist write a war diary. It makes you think. That's also in brackets,

because everyone won't get it otherwise. There's paragraph one, sorted. Dave, can we be acknowledged in your book? In my war diary? Yes. You certainly will be. You should call yourself Brigadier Warnocky. I've written by Brigadier Major David James Warnocky.

Please. I met your title? Yeah. Genuine answer, right now, it would probably be Matt's book. But I don't want to lock into that. I don't want to lock in. That seems like something Matt would call his book. Dry Ginger Mail, obviously last year's show title, maybe that would be.

I'm thinking at the moment my next year's show, which doesn't exist. I'm thinking about male comedian. Yes. How do you spell male? Is that a genuine question, Dave? M-A-L-E. We went through this last year. Are you thinking M-A-L?

I was thinking like Rick Mail. No, I was thinking in AIL. Because last year I also asked the same question. I do remember asking that. So yeah, I don't know what, buddy. I'd love to, Danielle, you've probably, I mean, you came up with a better title for yourself. You'd probably would have come up with better book titles for us. I feel like it comes up fairly often anytime somebody, it's sort of the same when, you know,

when I just hear a random collection of words and say that would be a good band title. Yeah. Sometimes I like to, like, when people say, something that sounds a bit funny. I'm like, well, that's the name of your book or something like that, you know? But I can't think of one right off the top of my head. I'd like to be, uh, in a film one day and then reference it like total recall. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's so good. That's so good. It's totally recalling his life. Well, I have a list of, um, of like potential show titles that I've kept over the last few years. Give us a go. Let's see. I'm just finding it in my, uh, okay. Perkins nine to

five. Yeah. Oh, that's great. Especially if it's like a, uh, uh, uh, Work-based autobiography. Jess, we forget. That was suggested by Bob Franklin. That is... Probably offensive. Yeah, I'm like about Bob Franklin suggested, so I'm okay with it. So, it's fine.

Friend to the end. My lady. I think Melady's a bit funny. Malady. That's pretty funny. The Jess Perkins story. Anyway, I hope that answers your question, Danielle. Bob, but something could be bopping.

Could just be Bop. Bop. Bop. Yeah, probably would be Bop. I like one word. Yeah, Bop. Bob. Bop's good. Thank you.

Bop. Yeah, I was talking about you. You're good. Bop's good. Bop's good. How's Bob? She's good. Bob's good.

Danielle, I'm so sorry if that was an unsatisfying. I'm sorry to everyone who listened to that. Sure. I think that's fair. But let's thank some people. What do you reckon? Let's do it. Let's startle Bob Franklin.

That used to be a segment on the radio. Let's startle Bob Franklin. And then callers would call in and try to startle him. And I'll say something like a fact or something. And then Bob Franklin would be like, oh yeah, that's pretty good. He was very rarely startled by them. I bet. Let's startle Bob.

It's a Tony Martin. That sounds about something they'd bloody do. Very fun. Who'd like to go first? What are we doing with them, Bob? Now you're back in form this week. Some great train robbery. What are you thinking?

What mode of transport would they rob? Yeah, okay. Okay. If any of you go on to do these crimes, I don't want to hear that this was our fault. No. And by me saying that there, I've just covered our asses legally. Thank you, Jess.

Thank you, Jess. You're welcome, Matt. Dave. Would you like to thank me? Because if you don't, legally, you're back in the gun. Yeah. Oh no I don't know

No comment Yes Yes I plead the fifth I'd plead the fifth I'd love to thank if I could From Newstead in Queensland Which is a suburb of Brisbane

That has a great little brewery The Newstead Brewery I'd love to thank Anna Cox Anna Thank you Anna Thanks Anna Anna Anna

A canoe? Seaplane. Oh, seaplane, great. Oh, I love sea planes. I mean, I'd never go on one. They look terribly unsafe. Really? Yeah, I'm very cool. Why and where?

I was in, where was I, Queensland? And we went on a jet ski tour and it stopped at a little island. And the seaplane captain was bored and he said, do you guys want to come for a quick joy flight? And we said, yes. Yes. That sounds like magic. Obviously, he charged us later. But it was still fun. Hold on.

What? obviously he charged you later. Mates rates, but still sneaky. But we got to go for a little ride and I felt very sick. But it was very fun. Is the landing incredibly rough? No, landing's fine. It was just that he was like, you're basically flying along and then to go up,

which I think is a technical term. Yes. He just went, whoop. Like straight up and it was not good for the stomach. Well, like a rocket. Yeah, it was like a rocket. I was a space man for a moment. Was he by chance?

Balu the Bear. Yes. It's funny that you ask that. That's the only seaplane I can think of even if it was from tailspin, the Disney cartoon. Right, okay. Do you remember that? It was a weird spinoff of Jungle Book where Ballou started flying planes. I don't remember.

Have I made that all up? That's a weird spin off. It's a very weird spin off. Maybe I've made that up. Maybe it's not a spin off. Did you have a dream? I have had a dream. Yeah.

I had a dream earlier today when I had a nap that two of my teeth fell out. It was not a good dream. I was like in a shopping centre. If that were your wisdom, that would have been really handy. Yeah, because I'm going to have to get that done. If I could also thank. Please.

From McKinney in Texas, United States of America, Elizabeth Lafever. Oh, that's nice. Lafiva. Are you, when is that, right? Love it. I was about to start singing again,

which I will try and not do anymore. Well, you should just keep singing because I think Elizabeth Lefeva robs gondolas. Oh, when the moon hits your eyes like a big piece apart. Jess is playing the saxophone again. Just give me a lot of money.

What is it? Gondola, the great gondola robbery. They got away with 38 euro. Thank you, Elizabeth. Is that how you would pronounce? Lefeva. Lefeva. But Lafiva sounds like it.

so good. Of course it does. I'm sure that's it. Saturday night Lefevre. Oh, that's good. French Travolta. I think it sounded a little something. I like this. Dave, would you like to go next? Thank you for saving me there. I had nothing.

I'm sorry. I would like to thank all the way from... I'd like to thank all the way. All the way from a P.O. Box in Sea Lake Victoria. I always think people with P.O. Box is suspicious or very classy. Let's go classy in this. No, I reckon some sort of a robber. Yes.

Well, we're from Sea Lake Victoria. Bronn All day. A post truck. Yes. And they conveniently hide it at the post office headquarters. But not when our little P.I. Bopper is on the case. Yep, that's right.

And thank you, Bron. keep reaching for the mail truck. Yeah. As I always say, how'd I saw a mail? M-A-Y-A-D-O-L. It's another Rick Mail reference. Can't have too many. And I would like to thank from South Yarra,

a very lovely suburb here in Victoria, in Melbourne, Amy Gibbd. Gibbd. Gibd. Gibd. Gibd. Great name. Amy Gibb. Amy Gibbd. Amy Gibbd.

She robs a time machine spa bath. What was that movie called? Hot time machine. No, like time machine spa bath. Which is like a knock off movie. I love it. They redid it in Thailand. Yeah.

Time traveling. Wow. Spar bath. Thanks, Amy Gipp. I don't know why you're robbing that. Yeah. If you don't stay in the jacuz too long, you'll get all pruny. Amy, Amy!

Hopefully she did that in Australia where the notes are made of plastic. Because if you did that in one of the countries with paper money, they're going to fall apart. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's why I like a swim-up bar here in Australia. Keep your wallet and your bathers, no problem. I mean, I've got a big wallet and tiny bathers. Wow. Baters don't have pockets.

How scandalous. Oh, that was stupid. Anyway, I would like to thank, may I, please? Please. I would like to thank from Columbia, South Carolina. Now, do any of us know any facts about either North or South Carolina? Okay, how interesting. Jess has said a lot of facts he said, so let's go to Matt for this.

Okay, yeah, okay. I mean, I've got quite a few. Love the Carolinas, both of them. But did you know, Michael Jordan. Who? Legendary. Legendary basketball. Oh, that Michael, I was thinking of the other Michael Jordan.

I was thinking of Michael B Jordan. No, no, I'm talking about Air Jordan. I was thinking of Michael Jordan. The one who inspired AirBard, the dog. He went to university and he used to wear university shorts. And those shorts were made of magic. Magic Johnson. Somehow, right?

Okay. Which is a new fabric of the time. But these shorts had such power that when he went into the NBA basketball association, national, he continued to wear those shorts, made a magic all the way to the top. That's a fascinating fact. Where did you hear that? To be honest, I heard that from.

a little documentary called Space Jam. I've heard of it, and I've heard good things. Yeah. Me too. Okay. Can I thank the person down there? Yes. Well, I mean, no, people wouldn't know anything about North or South Carolina

if we didn't put into context. Yeah, luckily. I'm sorry about how all of the Carolinas have now been hijacked. Highject into North Carolina. Sorry, South Carolina. Sorry, South Carolina. Sorry, South Carolina. David Berry.

Ah, the Berriman. The Berryman. David Berry, that's great. That's a great name. Another great name. And he robbed a... Ambulance. Ambulance.

Wow, brutal. Organ donors. He steals the organs. They're very valuable. Sells them on the black market. Smart. But not a great guy. No, but rich.

Rich. And some would argue that's the same as being a good person. I would argue that. I love cash. Cash. I love berrymen. I love berries. What's your favorite berry?

Raspare. Boison. Strob. Yeah. Nah, poison's like a mashup berry. Boisbury ice cream. Holy shit here. And actually, I had some croissant waffles recently because I'm 27.

You won't stop talking about them. They're so good, but they had the freshest raspberries I've ever eaten in my life. What? And I was like, I'm back on board the raspberry train. Fresh raspberries. Yum, yum, yum. Blub. No, not a big bloob.

You're not a bloob fan. Not a bloob. Not really. I love blobs. Juicy blobs. Right in to them. Strobs. Blobs.

Boys, m's. Yep. Cran. Cran. I could take a lever cran. Yeah, big time. Where's your cranny, granny? Don't give a fuck is the answer before you go on.

Yeah, great. Cranberry juice, though. From ocean spray. Okay. I'm just going to thank the last person. Thank you. Even they're not still hanging around. From Los Angeles.

Ooh, La La Land. Zach Gidding. Zach Gidding. Zach Gidding. That is a great name. He robbed a horse. Yeah. A race horse.

Zach robbed a race horse. Give you all your money. All your race money. Where is it? In the saddle bag. Dengus. It's like the horse started losing races because it had to keep all its prize money on it at all times by the 10th race.

He got involved with some pretty bad horses and they... They were not friendly. They left a human head in his bed. Thank you, Zach. Thanks so much, Zach. Thanks, everyone. Oh, my goodness. What a great batch of people.

What an absolute group of Dead Set Legends. Your support generally helps this show keep on running. And it, fuck it blows us away how cool our... our listeners and patrons are super sick people. I don't want to speak out of turn, but they are the best people in the world, and I love them with all my heart. Yep, I think that's about right, yeah.

We're all on the same page there. Absolutely. Nothing controversial about that statement. Thank God. Thank God. I've been holding that in for quite a while. I never, like, never feel like you can't say that, you know? Okay.

Thank you, Jess. This is a safe place. Thank you, Jess. It's the safest place. We love you and support you. Thank you so much. You fucking idiot. Yeah.

Got it. Well, like I always say, that's a good money. You let us in and we killed you. I can't remember what your phrase was. Was that it? I think it is. That's a good money. That's a good money.

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