Do Go On - 143 - Tommy Wiseau & The Room (with Naomi Higgins!)

Episode Date: July 18, 2018

This week we're joined by comedian, writer and dear friend, Naomi Higgins, as she tells us about one of the most infamous films in history - The Room. It is a ridiculous and hilarious mess! Report begins at 10.50Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out Matt's new podcast Prime Mates : https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/prime-mates/id1410556976  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnke and as always I'm joined by Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello. Hi Dave. Oh Jess, you're so happy just before. I was, wasn't I? You were so happy. Now Jess, before you complete that thought, I must say that as well as being joined by Matt and Jess,

we are also joined by a guest this week. Hello Naomi! Hi! AKA Real Bop. Is that got anything to do with... Is that why you're in a bad mood? Before we went on air, we decided that Naomi is the new Bop. Well, Naomi decided that.

Okay, Naomi. And we agreed. Well, yeah. Thank you. Ratified. Jess, you're cool with that? Yeah. You've never been Bop now.

Cool. All right, great. So, Naomi, how are you going? I was feeling great. Now I'm feeling a little anxious about the mood in the room. Nothing in particular. I don't know. Hey, is it possible that I can wrench,

bop back off you and give it back to Jess? That's fine. I didn't want it. Okay, great. I just wanted the attention. If you want to come up with your own sweet nickname, we can totally go with that. Okay.

What do you want to be called? No, don't force it. Like, something might come up through the report. All right. If something comes up and you're like, that's what I want to be called. You're going to follow your heart. You can not just force it. Yeah, thank you.

I was feeling a bit. What about the forceps? because it sounded like forcips which Jess said and I don't have a good imagination It's Naomi's choice to make Yeah I'm just throwing shit against the wall

Okay was that what you want to be called Yes All right Foursoops it is Well that is a terrible nickname No but it's what he chose That's what he chose Is it the thing that grips

It's like tongs for babies isn't it Yeah it reminded me of childbirth When you said it Yeah But not when anyone else Yeah That's a very I'm a childish man

Like a big hairy baby Sure am A goo go go Wow I've fumbled on gogo go Which is embarrassing It's okay You haven't formed those skills yet Classic forceps

Yeah That is the classic fourceps We all know and some of us love I love it Fourceps Sounds powerful Yeah it does Gripping

Not like three seps Ugh Give me four of them Yeah Oh I get it it now. But you went with it anyway. I appreciate that. No, I mean, I get that's, is that why they're four-sets? Anyway, what do we, so Dave,

do you want to explain the show? No, Naomi, I hope you know what the show is about because you are an integral part of it this week. But just to remind you, hopefully, this show is all about listeners suggested often topics, but maybe not this week because you are reporting, where one of us gives a report on a topic and the other people in the room aren't aware of what the topic is going to be. God, it is tedious to explain it, isn't it? We're very excited to have you on now. I mean, we've been talking about having you on as a guest for a long time.

And you've been joking about a possible topic that you wanted us to do for a while. So I'm interested to see if you have brought that topic in or if you've gone with something else. Look, I've not done flavour flave. I thought it was going to be flavour flame. For a long time, she was hassling us on Twitter. I was. I put it up for the vote one time. It's in the hat.

Did you really? Yeah. It did not get the. Did not poll well. My friend bought me the autobiography of Flavar Flav. I started reading it in the eventual case that you would ask me to be on the show and I'd be like, ha-ha. I have all the knowledge.

And then it was about him putting thumbtacks on his teacher's chair. And she's like, ha-ha. Her ass sat on him and she was so mad. Ha-ha! And I was like, I have to stop. Yeah, good call. That's good writing. Well, why in the first place did your friend give you the autobiography?

Had you expressed interest in Flavor, Flav previously for them to be like, I've got the perfect gift. Yeah, he was my housemate and we watched the first two seasons of Flavor of Love, which was his reality show, like The Bachelor, but it stars him. I did not know that existed. And there's three seasons of it. Yes. And I couldn't.

So season one, he ended up with a woman who then later dated Shaq. Sure. And then he went back again. and then he chose a woman who I think was actually in love with him so I couldn't watch a third season because I was like, this is just for the ratings down, this isn't for love. Well, there were three seasons of it.

Yeah. Yeah, one is the same year. That's the same bachelor every time, the same person. That's, uh, what was his catchphrase or whatever? Like instead of a rose or. Was it a clock around the neck? Yeah, yeah. But you would give them all.

Yeah, he would literally give them all the clock around. Oh my God, I was mucking around. It had to be. That is good, right. Like a full size clock. And he gave them all nicknames at the start of it because he just wouldn't learn their real name. But he could remember their name.

Yeah, but he could remember nicknames. Yeah, well, they're short. Red hair. Hoops was short. She won season one and then Delicious one season two. Yeah, it was, I don't think I could watch it now. I mean, how was Delicious easy to remember than Sarah? Delicious is also just gross.

What a strange thing to call someone. Oh, it was. Hey, delicious. Very gross. Yeah. Yeah. How does that an easy, yeah, how's that an easy thing to remember? But in hoops, was she like wearing the earring?

Oh, basketball. Again, she ended up dating shack. She did like basketball. Yeah, she loved it. Climb that ladder. And delicious, she... Was a foodie. Foodie.

Great. Yeah. I would have called her foodie. Instead of saying, will you accept this rose? I'm pretty sure he said, you know what time it is. Oh, fuck. So if you didn't get it, was it like, you don't know what time it is? Oh, shit.

I can remember. The clock has stopped. Your time is up. Yeah, that's better. That would have been, that would have made far too much sense. That's way too good for the show. Yeah, sorry. Anyway, so you've ended up doing an episode on Flavor Flame anyway.

Well, I've done a mini report there. Yeah, that's great. I still have no idea who FlavorFlave is. Oh, he's one half of public enemy. Got it. Hight Man, basically. I love a hype man. Whoa.

Yeah, great. I'm like that for this podcast. Yeah. In many ways. In others, not at all. What Matt was trying to get at. Naomi is do you have a question to get us onto the topic? I do.

That's unlike me, so you're already doing better. Thank you. I learned from your mistakes. The question is, what movie had a billboard running to advertise it in LA for five years? Oh. Five years. That's too long, I reckon, because by that time, I reckon they've probably seen it on VHS. What's a movie that could be out that long? Oh, Avatar was in the cinemas for a long time.

But not five years, David. No, Titanic was also in the cinema for a long time. Is it Titanic? No. That would be funny, though, because you've already done an episode on Titan. Is it a big movie? Popular? I have, I think I know what it is.

Is it The Room? It is. Oh! Oh, shit. Tell me why so. Yeah, maybe. Honestly, I didn't know that fact about The Room, but it's the only film that's ridiculous enough,

and so on's bankrolling it enough, that they would have a billboarder for five years for. Absolutely. I have not seen it. Yeah, me either. Have you seen it? I have seen it. I have seen it or disaster artists.

No, I've been meaning to watch the room though. Yes, same. I came out of a radio spot a couple of weeks ago on the guy, like maybe one of the main actors, not David Wuzzo or whatever his name is. Greg Sestero. Gerig Sastro was coming in. Garig Sastro. Yeah.

Is that him? Greg. Garig. I think his name's Garrague. I can say it's so weird. Greg. Greg. Do they say, is Greg Craig over there? No, that's Craig. Craig is still Greg.

That's Correg. As you would say. A wild place. I've got to go back there. Did you cross past with that guy? Did you... Well, I mean, sure, I touched him on the knee. Oh, was that off there? Yeah.

I was up there. Great. Well, that's fun still. They'll forever wonder what we were doing before the show started. We were touching knees. I was touching these. I'm really excited because it is a crazy film. Are you a big fan, Naomi, of the film? I'm a huge fan.

Yes, of the film and the book. It's my favorite book. And the movie remake Docco mockumentary. That's really good, too. Yeah, it's a movie. It's a movie, Matt. You were really panicking there. Yeah, you know what we're like.

We're always panicking. It's a very funny thing to say. I'm going to sue you. I'll begin? Yes, please. The room. This is cool. I wrote this, so I like relistened to the audio book of the,

it's my favorite book to make notes. So some of this is just like me writing. So is the book, the book. Don't fact check me, bitch. Is the book what the disaster artist was based on? So when you say the book. The book is called the disaster artist. Oh, that is actually what it's called.

Right. Yeah, the movie was based on the book, yeah. Right, okay, cool, cool. Cool. Okay, I begin. Please. I don't know how these things go. So the room is a cult movie that's so bad it's good.

It's been dubbed the Citizen Kane of Bad Movies. The movie stars a man who also wrote, directed, produced, and executive produced the whole thing. Yes. I'm the producer and executive producer. And junior. What is the difference? I think executive producer has the money. Right. But then what do producers do? Everything.

Right. I used to ask that question. They do like everything. They organize locations. There's also people, yeah, but people are also, I believe in film, money-based producers as well. So they help put up the money. Oh, yes, yep. Do you have a producer credit on your new show? God, no. I panicked enough just acting in it and writing it. It's like I imagine if I had any responsibilities.

I'd kill myself. Since he's such a mysterious man, this story basically has to be told through his best friend, Greg Sestero. Sorry, Garrig. Greg. Matt, do you want to have a go? Craig. Craig.

Craig. Yeah, we're getting there. Greg first encountered Tommy in an acting class in San Francisco. Did I say his name? Tommy Wiseo. He's the man's name. The star. Slash executive producer.

Mr. Weiser. Yeah, did he, was there anything he didn't do? He was also... There's a lot of things he didn't do. What? I'll get to it. He was the best boy. What do they do?

What are the worst boy? Yeah. I don't know what the best boy does. They're those same as a gaffer. Gaffers, they like lighting and stuff, right? Gaffer just carries stuff. I think that's what best boys do. I'm pretty sure.

No, a gaffer is to do with lights. Yeah. Don't tell me. Don't tell me the answer to the question I asked. How dare you? God, I hate men. Yeah, I've got another one now. I'm sorry that I'm just an expert on best boys.

Been one my whole life. Yeah, you're the best boy. That's true, I agree. Jess is on screen. She's not too fussed about what people are doing. Oh, I don't deal with the crew. You're talking about the talent. Yes.

I'm like, don't look at me. Don't touch my knee. I love that song that you do on set. Thank you. This is like the first day I sit everyone down and I sing this introductory song. So we're all on the same page, you know. Don't look at me. Don't touch my knee.

I expect coffee for free. Me, it is. And normally everyone's, everyone's crying. Because it's a beautiful moment. It's very moving. Yeah. You know, like maybe she's not so bad after all. And then I fire six of them.

on the spot as a power play. Yeah, that is powerful. And I rehire them back three months later at half the pay. Three months later, when the film is complete. And they have another job. They get them fired from that job. Give them half the pay to work on my film. You need to just whisper and please, please come back.

I'll pay half. It's a weird system, but I love how you make it work. I love how you make it work. I'm the Mariah film. I'm so sorry, Naomi, please go on. Thank you so much. What does that mean, Mariah? Yeah, like a diva.

Okay, I get it. Oh, my God. You've got to say which Mariah you're talking about. There's so many. Yeah, all right, look, to be honest, I'm struggling to think of another one, but there's got to be. Just let Naomi go on, I reckon. I'm already so worried about the amount of words.

You'll be fine. It still doesn't compare to a Warnocky report. Well, I don't know. We haven't seen how many words you've got there. It's a lot. It's my passion. Don't judge me. Okay. So Greg first encountered Tommy at an acting class in San Francisco in 1998 when Greg was 20.

And Tommy walked onto the stage looking like a pirate, according to Greg. He has a description here. Half comic book character, half hair metal icon. He wore black pants and ostentatious studded belt and gleamingly perlescent buttoned-down shirt. Oh, gleamingly perlessent. Your words? Yes. That's the name of my autobiography.

I'd like to embellish. He swung a chair around and straddled it and then started performing a Shakespeare sonnet. Yes. He had a thick, not quite French accent and used the wrong tone for every single word. Mumbling and shouting. Their teacher stopped him halfway through to tell him what he was doing wrong and he got into a huge fight with her. Greg was impressed with his fearlessness and afterwards asked him if he'd like to do a scene together. Okay, so Greg's an idiot as well.

Yeah, because you've seen that and been like, I need to work with that guy. Yeah. This guy is going to be my best friend. It's a beautiful story, I suppose. It's much like when I first saw you do stand-up Naomi, except that you were talented and didn't fight anyone. Good save. Yeah, but you put the wrong tone on every word.

She was shouting a lot. Yeah. Good point. Comedian, writer, TV maker, friend, foe, new bob. When did you first meet? At a gig at Monash University. It was my third ever gig. That would have been like 2015?

Yeah, it was 2015. Jess was there and she was so funny. Classic Jess. It was back when I was funny. And friends ever since. And you're now, so your show is going to be on the ABC TV? Well, I have a pilot. Your pilot show.

Not a TV show at all. Making a pilot at the moment. It's just being edited. I haven't seen any of it. But it's a show on. If my acting is terrible. It might just not make it. Yeah.

Well, I don't know. I haven't seen it. You'll get cut. I'll get cut. Let's still somehow make a story out of it. I made myself the main character. But I'm willing to cut myself out. The executive producers has got some bad news for you now.

It's me And I'm cut Yeah Matt Stewart's in it For a hot sec Yeah what a bloody pleasure that was Wow you look genuinely confused Do you remember this happening?

He does so much acting work It all kind of blends into one for him Yeah no it was a real honour to work with the likes of Naomi Higgins Et al Apporechalon Stuff Yeah Yeah

No it was great I got to be a farmer my true calling. Yeah. Someone tweeted me earlier today said that I look like a nerd, but I'm not a nerd. And they said it's like a compliment. What do you think about that? I think this was a weird place to stop it.

Someone told me that I am a nerd, but I don't look like a nerd. And I thought that was much better than what you. We should switch. Yeah, you've got all the worst things about a nerd. None of the good stuff, like knowledge and, you know. Yeah. Abilities. Brutal.

Anyway, it's good to find out on the internet. It won't be going on. there again. Sorry, don't interrupt you. I just wanted people to know who were bloody dealing with you. We should have done that at the start. Yeah, we really have butchered this. Yep, we've fought.

Was that one big shot with Nenay as, does that? Stop talking. Okay. Naomi, go on. I'd just like to point out that I'm not stopping you at Nainey for a nickname. Thank you so much. All right. We will continue to throw them at you that.

Great, please. So even though we had a thick somewhat European accent, When asked where he was from, Tommy would just say he's American. Okay. Something to point out. They became friends and pushed each other to strive towards their goals and once took a spontaneous trip to the place where James Dean died. Oh.

An actor they both admired. That's fun. Greg told Tommy he wanted to move to L.A. to pursue acting further. And Tommy told him he rents a place in L.A. that Greg is welcome to stay at for very cheap rent. So Greg went to stay in Tommy's apartment and got an agent. Tommy would be obsessive about Greg. often asking him what auditions he was doing, among other things.

Greg's friend then took him to see a movie called The Talented Mr. Ripley, which is about one man becoming obsessed with the other. Spoiler alert for the movie. The obsessive man kills the other one at the end. And Greg immediately recognized Matt Damon's obsessive character as Tommy. He then took Tommy to see the movie, wondering if Tommy would recognize himself in Matt Damon. Tommy did not.

But was captivated by the film and was inspired to write his own. movie or play. He got the wrong inspiration there. So what did you think of the film? It was great. I loved that Matt Damon guy. I want to be more like him. I love this film idea.

I'm going to make one. How long have these been around? Oh no. Tommy, is this the first film we've ever seen? He's just yelling Shakespeare. Yeah. No, he's great. I love that Shakespeare quote.

Beautiful. God, what a word smith. Butchered it though, Matt, do you be honest? I hit it wrong. Yeah, wrong tone on the wrong... Yeah. Better. Yes.

You're getting it. That's beautiful. Thank you. That's why I got you. Tommy eventually moved into his apartment with Greg and put up black curtains in the lounge room, staying up, which is where he slept, staying up all hours of the night, playing and repeating tapes to help him with his English accent, saying the same sentence. Oh, my God.

Over and over for over an hour. Do you know what the sentence was? It was something like... Is that what you think, do you? Or something like that. It didn't quite make sense. Nothing that you even need to be able to say. No.

As that what you think, do? So where is he actually from? I'll go to that. Oh, exciting. Oh, hello. A bit of a mystery. A bit of a sizzle. Eventually, Tommy finished a novel called The Room and presented it to Greg.

I'm thinking to say eventually he finished the sentence. Is that what do you think, do you? John. Big finish. 80 times. And it all comes back together. It's one of those great sentences where you don't know where they're going until the end

and then it's like, oh yes. It was John all along. Amazing. What about? It was worth it. Neigh. What? Nickname.

Nehigh. Nay hi. On what way? What does that mean? I've taken some letters out of your names. Haven't I? Whose name? What's your name again?

Higgins is what you're going for there. No, I get it now, but it's stupid. Sounds like yay high. Yeah, that was what I was thinking. Yeah, no, no, I don't. Naomi, I'm insult because I'm short. Please allow me to veto this one on your behalf.

Thank you so much. Keep him coming, Matt. My production assistant. Yeah. Well, great. An assistant. I don't have to be a fucking producer. Slash producer, maybe.

Yeah. So he just said, so he's completed a novel. So he wasn't writing a script. Was he writing like a novel? Well, it's not clear because I think it did say it was a play, but then it will be like, opens with a panning shot of San Francisco. That's the best.

Tommy, how are we going to do that in this 45-seat theater? I don't know. The director will do something. You're the director. Pan San Francisco. That's so good. It's written very clearly. Yeah.

Good on him. Yeah. It was 540 pages long. That's too many. Whoa. It's also the length of my report. What a coincidence. God, she's true to her form.

I love it. Thank you. All right, whatever. It was about an all-American man, Johnny, who has a best friend named Mark. He has a beautiful, he has a beautiful girlfriend named Lisa, and Lisa and Mark have an affair. Tommy would play Johnny, a man who is perfect, but concisely. consistently being wronged. He's perfect.

He really is. Tommy wanted Greg to play Mark, but Greg was insistent that he stayed behind the camera since he didn't want to be seen in the movie. It's worth noting here that Greg believes that when Tommy named the character Mark, he was misremembering Matt as in Matt Damon. So Tommy saw Greg as the Matt Damon character

in the talented Mr. Ripley. I love that Mark Damon. Oh, my God. He's incredible. Oh, we've only just begun. They started pre-production with Greg helping out. From here, Tommy talked about the producers when explaining any weird decisions he'd made.

This is what the producers want, et cetera. The truth here is that there were no producers. Tommy was financing the film himself. He had a lot of money and didn't like to talk about how he got it. Okay. Yep. That's good. Yeah, that's...

I like that. That's a producer, right there. If I had heaps of money, I'd also finance films of my own. Yeah. I reckon I would too. But I would pay very talented other people to make me look good. You know what I mean? I guess the thing with Tommy is that he is talented, so he didn't need to pay other people.

Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah, why would you waste the money? When do you get to the bit where he's talented? Okay, wow. Because so far, he's just yelled some Shakespeare for a bit. Oh, yeah, no, sorry, I forgot that bit. But he's also practiced one sentence, remember?

Yes. So. He straddled a chair. Yeah. Like a cool English teacher. Yeah, it's good stuff. Um, I've lost my place. I'm so sorry.

Okay. Tommy bought two cameras, one 35 millimeter and one HG. This was strange for two reasons. One, no one, even huge production companies ever bought cameras. everyone rents them. He decided to buy. Sure. The other thing is that you don't shoot in HD and 35 millimeters.

You just shoot in one because... Yeah, you don't do two different ones. Yeah. But Tommy insisted, so they had to make a rig that had the two cameras sit next to each other, shooting on both of them simultaneously with two lighting systems and two crews. That's smart. So he was in a lot of ways thinking outside the box. Well, yeah, people were like, no one knows.

does this and he's like then we'll be the first. Yeah, is it genius or is it the opposite of genius? I think it's always a fine line with Jesus, isn't it? It really is. Too early to call at this stage. Yeah, yeah, we need more information. Yeah, I reckon generations will pass before we know for sure. Yeah.

I'm leaning towards genius. Yeah, me too. Dave. Taking an early punt. What are you leaning towards? Well, I did skip a YouTube ad today that was a Han Zimmer talking about his master class that he's selling. And it said the only way of the, if you see it,

a rule. You've got to break that rule because that's the only way that any form can move forward. Breaking rules. Yeah. And that's what Tommy's doing. So I think genius. Wow. Put it to Han Zimmer. We've called it early. It's four votes for genius. Yep. Great. Well, we're all on the same page. That's great. Let's see how this works out. I think positively. You're going to love this guy. Okay. So, oh, okay, here we go. Genius. Let's read this next paragraph. Oh, God. The auditioning process was bizarre.

There was a bed in the audition room. Always good. Okay. Actresses would come in and once they found out that Tommy would be playing the male lead most left. Oh. When he was auditioning, he would yell stuff at them like, your sister just became lesbian. Or your mother just die.

Yes, good. To see how they react. How does he know those things? Is that why most of them were leaving? Because you hear that kind of news, you need to be with your family. Your sister became lesbian. Like she chose so ignorant, Tommy. It's not changing.

I think it just happens over time. Yeah. You know. And he's like, oh, well, whoop, there it is. That's really. But I don't have a sister. Yeah. I do.

I do. I do have a sister. Did she became lesbian? Yes. Very recently. Oh. Congratulations. So this is kind of, blowing my mind.

He is a genius. I don't know how we knew that. a work test and if you had to behave positively and if you were sad about it then he was like, get out. Yeah, great. He's pretty woke. That's why he has a bed and yells at him. Have you explained the bed yet? Or do I not want to ask? He would make the women make out with him

because the movie would have sex scenes. So basically the only women who were in the room were the women who didn't quit. So you're looking at some very strong people. Strong-willed. Strong-willed people to put up with him. Strong-willed people to put up with him. tolerant.

Yes. Yeah, people he really wanted to make it. Wow. He's a good dude. Oh, I was reading it the other way. Matt, don't give up on the guy you called a genius seconds ago. That's true. I'm sticking fat.

Okay, a woman called Juliet Danielle was initially cast in the role of Michelle Lisa's best friend. It's a bit of a silly name, isn't it? Juliet, Danielle. Yeah. Which one's your first name? First one. Yes. Juliet.

Danielle's not a... That's a good rule of thumb. Danielle's not a surname. No. It's another first name. Anyway. She should have changed. There's a stage name.

I imagine that that is her stage name. Yeah, I think she... She was a media page that were three names. Oh, so... Unbelievable. Someone's probably already registered in the Screen Actors Guild, her real name, so she had to go with Juliet. Fine, fine. Sorry that I'm the only one outraged by this stupid name.

As a person with two first names, you know, I think that's fine. I think people can do that if they want to. Saylor V, you know what I mean? Just like that Irish group sang once upon a time. Bewitched. Thank you. Say la V. God, it's a good song.

Then it goes into like a fiddle solo. It's very good. Anyway, please continue. The woman cast as Lisa, the lead, wasn't right for the part. She was supposed to be an all-American girl, but had a very thick foreign accent. So Juliet ended up being cast as Lisa. So the role of Michelle was then recast

to a woman called Brianna Tate. One of the oldest members of the cast was Philip Haldemon, who played Denny, the youngest character in the script. Yes. And Denny was kind of this like son figure for Johnny,

but it wasn't really ever clear who he was. He just kind of lived in the same building and would just show up, I'd announce to their house, all the time. Great. So this made him walking in on Johnny and Lisa's pillow fights and trying to join in creepy and not sweet,

as Tommy had probably intended. Why is he in the bedroom? Yeah, you just followed them up there and he was like, ha ha ha ha, ha, with a pillow. Is it pillow fight a euphemism, or they're actually adults having a pillow fight? Oh, there's no euphemisms. No, no.

I'm just saying, like, why is there a pillow fight in the film? I think it was supposed to be for play. Kit. Um, yeah. Works for me. And then they were like, please leave. Oh, Danny. Oh, wow.

The character of Mark was given to a man called Don, who Tommy didn't like very much. Good, so give him the role. Before shooting started, Tommy offered Greg a lot of money to play Mark. Greg mentioned that Don probably wouldn't be happy, but Tommy said they just wouldn't tell him and would just shoot the scenes twice using the excuse that the producers wanted to see Greg for something else. But they wanted to see Greg in every scene. That's incredible. So yeah, so they just reshoot scenes with Greg.

And I think, I don't have it written down, but at some point Don was like, what's going on? Oh, that's so good. It'd be really good if it took Don a really long time to figure it out to. I think we'd probably twig pretty quickly, but I'd like to imagine it was like the last day, and he's like, hang on a second, or six months later. Yeah, at the premiere.

He's like, hang on. He watches the whole thing. He's like, that was great. That was great. Wait a second. That wasn't me. That were my lines. Yeah, I got cut.

But my lines remain. How did this happen? The lines, they remain. But the Don, he is gone Don talks about himself in third person Why I got cut They couldn't tell the Don But he was cut

Okay On the first day of filming Tommy was four hours late to say Yep After two hours Greg went to his house to go get him And found him inside dyeing his hair black His hair's always black

By the way I think he was just doing his roots I don't know Just mid-dye in his hair When they finally got to set Tommy started yelling at the crew for not being ready He ended up being about four hours late Every single day

Oh my God He dyes hair every day Not every day Four hours is so long It's a really long time That's a huge amount of time I think What could you be doing in that time

I can't think of something that would take me four hours A nap? It's not a nap That's a sleep at that point I reckon what he was doing was not given a fuck. Yeah, like a rad dude. I like that you think he woke up on time and then it's like,

now I'll have a nap rather than slept in. Yeah. I see if he woke up with plenty of time to get to work early. And then he just went about some other activities. I also love that he's four hours late every day, but he doesn't think to reschedule the time to be. Yeah, just. We'll just start at 12 every day.

No, no. I'm paying you to be there from eight. Yeah. Well, yeah, and everyone had to be there from eight, including all the cast. In case you turned up? Even if you're not in the scene. And I think only the costuming girl, if my memory's right, would just show up late as well. She was the only one who like sort of got the hang of it.

And just like, fuck it. Yeah, I'd, fuck it. I'd turn up whenever. I'd wake up on time. I don't think you'd go, Jess. Yeah, I shouldn't go. Are any of the other actors and whoever, like, talented, Would they, like, would they be, or are they sort of pretty desperate for work?

I think everyone's desperate for work in LA. Right. And this is a feature film. Yes. How many Academy Award nominees? Three? Right. Yeah.

So there were. Low number. There were nominees and it was a high quality crew cast. That was a joke by me. That Naomi picked up on and went with. She yes and did. Yeah. If you will.

And if you roll back the tape, you'll notice that I was continuing to do that as well. Oh, okay. None of us new. Yeah. That's how good you are, and I'm going to present you with an Academy Award nomination. Thank you very much. Congratulations, everyone. We did it.

We did it. It's our first feature. Thank you so much. Good. The set was not a great environment. Interesting. Tommy had his own private toilet installed in the studio. I'm not like the queen.

But put up a curtain instead of a door. What the fuck? He's the strangest person ever. And there was a toilet right nearby. Yeah, much like the queen. Classic queen. She's always putting up toilets and no doors. Yeah.

Why did he do that? Because he wanted to feel important, I think. Yeah. I don't know why he put a curtain up. Well, how important you feel when you're going to the toilet and at any moment people could bust in. Pretty important, I guess. Or a light breeze could reveal everything. I think I'm confusing the feeling of extreme anxiety with the feeling of importance.

Wow. But they're both a big rush. I think you'll listen to that. True. For sure, for sure. Wow. To risk. Incredible.

Tommy refused to pay for air conditioning, so the studio was always too hot. And he also refused to pay for water for the cast and crew. The cast and crew eventually got into a fight with him about it and he threw a water bottle at Brianna's head. Good. The girl playing Michelle. saying nobody in Hollywood will give you water. Is that true? I think literally anyone in Hollywood would, you would get water.

Something he fundamentally misunderstood. I mean, he bought two cameras. He couldn't afford water. And as he said it, he was giving her water in a very violent way, sure, but. He did do it. Yeah. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. I'm not giving you water as I throw a water bottle at you.

Yeah, generally he was really really tight with his money But unless he wanted to spend it On a toilet That only he can use Maybe the curtain makes more sense Like it's weird that he was Yeah so he'd be weird with money

I want this I'll spend a lot But then cheap out on this weird last detail Is that what it was? Yeah That is real fun I wonder what catering was like Yeah, I don't have that information

Probably minimal, we can assume. I think there were times when now. I was going to say sausage roll at your head. I was going to say sausage roll. I was going to say one sausage roll for all of you. I reckon that feels right. Look at us. If both of us think that, then it's true.

That's how history works. Dave, what were you thinking? Actually, to be completely honest, originally I thought pasty, and that's because I don't eat meat. Why do you lie? No. No. I've never felt more.

He just faked that big moment. Can I finish a sentence? No. I was thinking chicken roasts. Chicken roasts? Like he was putting on massive meals, but he just wouldn't give you water. It seems like something he would do. No, but he's giving you really salty food, so they're all very thirsty, but he won't give him water.

He's also giving them laxatives, but then they can't use the toilet. It's a control freak. It's a power play. Everything's a power play with him. Directors. Oh, what are they like? So after they, after he threw a water bottle at Brianna's head, Brianna and several other cast members quit.

Michelle was then recast as a third woman, Robin Paris. Carolyn Minow, who played Lisa's mother, ended up fainting at one point because of the heat and the lack of water. Jesus. So these people have quit. She didn't quit. No, but so some people have quit. Are they actors, sorry, you said?

Some of the actors quit, yeah. Oh dear. Do you have to refilm their bits as well? I mean, he already was refilming them to. He's got back off for every role just in case. He's just got Greg playing every role. I was going to say he's got himself playing everyone. God, we're so in sync here today, guys.

Almost exactly the same thing. I was thinking that a sausage roll would play something. Oh my God. Call back. So 30 seconds ago. Yeah, remember that? Guys? I don't.

I was just thinking about sausage rolls. I'm always thinking about sausage rolls. Not pasty? You're a complicated person, Bob. I really am. I like to keep you guessing. The crew would build sets such as an alleyway as Tommy was on set using, as Tommy was set on using Hollywood production techniques

instead of just filming in an alleyway that was right nearby. Incredible. They built the alleyway in an alleyway. It's all an inch out from the actually. They just brick over brick. So they're doing in Hollywood, baby. Tommy would often change his mind Meaning the crew would break down sets

Only to have to rebuild them The same way the next day Oh He sounds like a nightmare A nightmare But also you're getting paid I imagine So you're like well

But He was tight with the checks They often had to complain to get paid Oh Why would you stick around Why? For the fun of it People in Hollywood seem pretty desperate

Yeah I'd be losing confidence in the quality of the end product as we went along? Oh, yeah. Or are they thinking he's a genius who works in a serious ways? No. No. I think a lot of people thought this would never be finished.

Right. Yeah. We'll never see the light of day. Yeah. Yet here we are. Here we are. Talking about it on a bloody podcast. He's made it.

He'll hear this. I reckon he's got Google alerts on himself for sure. Oh, absolutely. Yes. Hey, Tommy. Hi. Hello. What do you think of pasties?

Yum. For the many rooftop scenes in the movie, the crew built a rooftop set with styrofoam and a green screen behind it in a parking lot. There was a little shed that kind of looked like an outhouse that was supposed to be the entrance to the roof, but it doesn't make physical sense and characters basically just appear from nowhere.

So it was basically like a tiny shed and they just kind of have to stand in one corner of it and sort of bend down and then just pretend they're coming upstairs as they can come to the door. I know what you're talking about and I can pick to that and I never realize, but yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

Yeah. That they're coming from something so tiny. Like a little shed? Yeah. Wait, so you did see it? No, I've just seen like, in all the previews for the disaster artist, I know the scene you're talking about.

Well, let me talk about it. Tommy had to do a scene where he emerged from the shed, walked out onto the roof and said, I did not hit her, it's not true, it's bullshit, I did not hit her, I did not. Oh, hi Mark. To Mark who was on the roof. He couldn't get his blocking.

He couldn't stop at the right spot. He couldn't remember his lines. And he wrote. He wrote the whole thing. He couldn't look at Mark when he was supposed to be saying hi to him. This went on for hours until Greg gave Tommy a bottle of water and said, show some emotion. at which Tommy was like,

yes, that's why I have you around. Water really brings emotion out in this guy too. Oh, hi, Mark. In Tommy's next take, he hit his head so hard on the shed, but it took 20 minutes to ice and cover up with makeup. Holy shit. They eventually got the shot,

which took three hours and 32 takes. It's seven seconds long, and was the second day of filming. Fuck. And if you watch it, it's still not good. It's terrible. That was the best one. That was the best one.

That's one after three hours. That's amazing. Oh, hi, Mark. One of the best performances in the room is said to be that of the drug dealer called Chris R. Played by Dan, oh no, Janjigian. Dan Janjigian. I've not pronounced that correctly. There's an no-no in there as well.

Dan, oh, no, Janjigian. Janjigian. It's a great name. That's a great name. I hope you're pronouncing it right. I hope that's what we're called. Pauling him. Dan Jan Jan.

Dan Jan Jigian. Oh. Best performance. Has he gone on to other things? Captivating. The name rings a bell. We all know it. Wasn't he in The Lion King?

Yes. First movie I could think of was The Lion King. Just voice acting in that one. Still important. I'm not knocking voice acting. In an animated film, yeah, I would say it's pretty important. Hmm? What's he playing the body of?

Pumba, is he? Oh, okay. He's drawn. They drew Pumba. There, I said it. I'm glad someone... What? Someone said that because that was the elephant in the room. Yeah. Was Pumba drawn. Yes, he bloody was. He was. I'm sorry. He was. Thank you. Convincingly, yes.

Sorry, Higo. Pig dog. Hig dog, like pig dog. That's me. That's not a great one. Hey, Matt took that to a mean place. I was thinking like hot dog. I like that.

Hot dog. No, hot dogs, like the guy from Big Brother. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Was that with a Z? You like hot dogs? Yes. What a cool dude.

No, I like being called hot dogs. As an homage to hot dogs. I don't like hot dogs. Great. I hate hot dogs. Working title. Working nickname. As an homage.

One of Matt's favorite words. Hot dogs Higgins. That's pretty fun. I didn't say Higgins. I'm hyphenating it. But it's up to you. I can only do what I can do. I'm the name whisperer.

It has a certain. How do you say? What about a hot dog Janjigian? Oh, there it is. I think we've got it. There it is. Clocking off. Bye, everybody.

Hot dog Janjigian. Hot dog Janjigian is here. In the house. That's good nickname. Please. Welcome to the stage. Hot Dog Janjigia! Presenting the gold logy.

Yes. Hot dog Janjigia! I feel it. I can see it. God, yes. You're going to be on the cover of upwards of three magazines. Wow. TV week?

That's what I was. New idea. See? Get out of my head. See, it's happening. I was going to say TV weekly because I forgot the name. Hunter and Hound magazine. What's that?

Is that for men? Horse and hound? I watched Notting Hill last night. That's from that movie that I haven't seen. Have he? Oh my God, you must. It's good. Really?

Richard Curtis? It's good. Isn't he problematic now? Is he? Don't tell me that. Notting Hill's good. I just know. I mean, just some of it.

Anyway, it doesn't know. What's that movie you wrote about the Christmas? People say now every Christmas time. Love Actually. A piece about that being. Oh, sure. I love that movie. It's terrible.

Yeah, enjoy it on a terrible. What a roll of it. What a roll of it. Just enjoy the bad, bad bits. No. Amen. Same goes for this podcast. Don't write a blog about it.

I'd love you to write a blog about it. Yeah, only positive compliments. Shred us. Love it. Don't. None of those negative compliments. We don't want those. I also like to point out that Matt is saying shred us.

Dave and I do not stand by those sentiments. Please don't shred me. I'm very delicate. I am sent us. Hot dog! Hot dog! Dog, Danjigan. What a name.

I love it. I'm so happy for you. Thank you. I'm really happy for myself. Hey, hot dog. Yeah. Please go on. Please go on.

So we're talking Chris, a man who was not an actor. Okay. He was the best performer. Best performance. Not an actor. Was he a drug dealer? No. So it wasn't even method.

Okay. Can you be a drug dealer? Yeah. I can. Meth. It's a scene where he would confront the man child Denny and ask for his money with a gun. So Denny just sort of appears with a drug problem at some point.

Sure. Method, if you said that another way, it'd be meth OD. What does it mean, though? That probably makes more sense than the actual script. Yeah. It's just like the air was taken out of the room. That moment was spooky. Ooh.

Oh. That's what I do when I'm scared. Turkey. Pretend to be a turkey. That's in a bear attack. That's what they were saying. Yeah, yeah, they're terrified of them. It's like elephants with mice.

Bears, terrified of turkeys. And ghosts as well. Yeah. Ghost turkeys. You ever seen a turkey? Yuck. No good. They are scary.

Yeah. You've seen a video of a guy in a car next to a field of turkeys. And he goes, oh, blah, blah. And they all go. Back at him. It is probably one of the funniest things I've ever seen. That sounds like the best video I've ever seen and I haven't seen it. I remember just watching it on repeat.

You know when you're just like finding something so funny? You just keep watching it. I was crying. So good. Please check it out. So good that they recognise it. I'll send it to all of you separately later. Please separately.

I don't want a group chat. No group chats. Someone will leave it in a year and I'll come up and I'll get so mad. Why don't people leave dead groups? Why do they do that? It's strange. Yeah, true. Like, if the conversation's still going and going and you're like, this is tedious, leave.

But if it's already over. Someone's like, I got to archive my old Facebook group chats. I don't want to include that one. It's coming up if I scroll down for 10 years. Oh. I'm scared. Scared no more. Yeah, but next time you're.

stressed about something, let me know, and I'll just send you a little video of me. I thought you're going to send the video that made you laugh, but no, no, no, me. You're just saying you. I'm all hyped. I'm sorry. No apology, please. Never apologise. I think we were talking about the safe house.

No apologies. I think you all kind of owe me an apology because you were all quite mean to me earlier. I am really sorry about that. Thank you. Hot dogs. Jangerian. Hot dogs, I think you're talking about the drug dealer, the great actor. Yes.

I'm so sorry, Jess. That felt really genuine. Jesus Christ. All right. The mic saw on. Can I? What? I said the mic saw on jiggy in.

Oh, no. Anyway. So, yeah, we're at the, we're at Chris Ars scene. Dan stayed in character the whole time he was on set. Now, if you've seen the movie, you would know he's very aggressive. Great. He's method. He was just walking back and forth, muttering into himself and yelling at people.

Wow. The scene took two weeks to shoot. and goes for 90 seconds. Oh my God, he was muttering for two weeks. He was muttering into himself. For two weeks. Into his pit. Yeah, into his armpit.

That's how they do it. He'd mutter into anything. I know. Pathetic. I only mutter into the best of the best. Gotta have standards. Yeah. When you mutter.

Hello, mother. Lisa at Camp Granada There's a Simpsons reference, excellent Great, we've got the quota So two weeks for 90 seconds That is not a good... That's not a good... Raich.

Not a good race. For everyone's money and time. Dangerously close to the word race. Which is what I heard. Greg had to talk Tommy out of including an extension of the Chris R fight scene where Johnny's Mercedes-Benz would ascend from the roof

top and fly into the night sky, exposing that Johnny is actually a vampire. How was he going to do that? I don't know. They were on a green screen. You can do anything. That is. That's brilliant. So that's not in the original script. He, on the fly, was like, bang, got a great idea.

I'm a vampire. I don't know, but I'm going to say that it probably was in the script. Okay. He had to talk him out of it because no one's actually read the script because it's so long. they get to the page and go, oh, oh no, we're not doing that. How long does the movie go for? Is it long? It's not that long.

Okay, so it's just like a normal length. I think it's like 90 minutes or something like that. Okay. It's not like nine hours like it should have been. Yeah, well, that's what I was thinking with the number of pages he's written. There definitely was like a script after the initial, like novel. The novelized version. An iconic line from the movie is Johnny yelling, you're tearing me apart, Lisa.

In the script, the line is written as, you are, Taking me apart, Lisa. What? And only Greg knew that Tommy was trying to copy a line from Rebel Without a Cause, where James Dean says, you are tearing me apart. So Greg got him to change it. Because otherwise he would have just said, you are taking me apart. But thought that that was it.

Like, he named Mark after Matt by accident. Amazing. You're taking me apart. It doesn't quite make sense. No. Or does it? No, it doesn't. And he often forced them to say the lines exactly as he had really.

written them, there's one scene where Greg's character has to say, leave your stupid comments in your pocket. And he was like, can I please say something else? And John and Tommy was like, no! That doesn't make sense. You're taking me apart. Would have made sense if it was like a Lego figurine, maybe? So the big time...

That's possible. Who knows? Yeah. He's also a vampire. Right. So let's... Lego vampire. A Lego vampire.

It's very vampiric, to be fair. Yes. He's a vampiric man. Stakes up all hours of the night. Yeah, no, he wakes up when he's supposed to and then does activities. Obviously. Craft hits the gym.

Brunch. The role it was undead to play. Does that make quite sense? It was a thought I had and I thought I'd say it out loud. Loved it. Over the top of Jess, which was a nice start. Also was not worth saying out loud. No, I loved it.

Can you edit that bit out, please, Jess? Absolutely not. Fuck. In fact, repeat it when I'm not talking. Now go. Come on. It was the role he was undead to play. Fuck, I loved it.

Ha ha. Oh, no. Love it all over again. Oh, you're taking me apart, Matt. See, you can make sense. Yeah, when you put the right tone on the words. It's such a great line. It's tearing me apart, Lisa.

It's very dramatic. How many takes it that take? Oh, I think, quite a few. And it's good? No, it's so bad. It's great. Oh, it's fantastic. To be fair, he's always looking for more emotion.

There's so many emotions going through. I don't know why it's taking me so long to watch this. I've got to watch it, obviously. Would you say it's worth watching, knowing all of this? Oh, it's so good. Okay. You wouldn't just watch the remake thing. Well, that's about the making of the film.

It's completely different. It probably helps to see it first, though, doesn't it? Yeah, I think you enjoy it much more if you have some of the room first. room first. Do you think it's a movie you can watch by yourself or should you watch it with other people? With other people, I would watch it by myself. But maybe the first viewing? But I really like bad stuff.

Yeah. First viewing, I think you've got to watch it with other people. It's just good to experience it with other people, you know? Because otherwise, when I'm watching something that's so bad, it's good. If I'm by myself, I find it tedious and frustrating. I can see that. I can see you getting very annoyed. But if I'm with somebody else and we can sort of laugh about it together, I'll be fine.

Yeah, the first time I watched it with a few friends. It is very fun. Well, I'm with a few friends right now. I'm so busy. Yeah, no, yeah. So, so silly. Sorry, it's fine. It's okay.

The joke is that you're off to catch a plane after this little jet set up. And I've got nothing on. Anywho. One scene has Lisa admitting to her mother that she's cheating on, In the script, it says that Lisa is talking to Claudette over the phone, with the scene ending with Lisa walking Claudette to the door and saying goodbye. Yes? I don't see a problem, man. What the fuck is wrong with him?

That's great. Greg couldn't get him to change that bit. It's like, no, no. I need this. It's brilliant. Johnny, then hears the conversation by listening to their answering machine, which has magically recorded the conversation. That's not how answering machines work. The team tried to convince Tommy that this didn't make sense,

and they eventually decided on him overhearing Lisa and Claudette's conversation from a stairwell, and then wire tapping their phone using a tape recorder to find proof. They asked Tommy why Johnny needs proof if he just heard her say it, but he wouldn't budge. This is great. He's anuteur, you know. They don't budge. He's got a vision. Han Zimmer, break those rules.

Yeah, break those rules, Han Zimmer style. Did he end up the Zimmer frame? Yes, one of his many inventions. That was a, yeah, it was a film technique of his. He did the frame. Yeah, and eventually, that frame happened to be of a walking device. And then, you know, long story short, old people walk again. Thank you, Mr. Zimmer.

Amazing. What? The more you know. Don't worry about it. You too don't look surprised by that, but I'm very surprised. He's so old, he just comes up with these things sometimes. He just knows. We find it's best to just smile and nod.

Neither of you are smiling. He'll zone out eventually. That's probably the third or fourth time I've heard him tell that story. We usually edit it out, but we'll let it go on this time. What are you guys talking about? There we go. Hi, Matt. Hi.

Who are you? What are you doing here? This is hot dogs. Don't touch my knees. This is an audio form. You've got to make it clear that that has not happened. There's been no knees have been touched during the creating of this podcast. So far.

And I'm mad about it. Touch it. Touch it. She's talking to me. Touch it. Touch it. I've got jeans on. Yeah, that's what's really putting me off.

I don't like denim. Ah. All right, I touched her knee. All right. Please continue. Much noblier than I thought. Nobby little knees. The team told Tommy that no one uses a tape recorder to wiretap phones.

But he was sure. Greg found out years later that Tommy used to record all of his phone calls on a tape recorder, which is why he wrote it into the script. People like, people don't do that. Yes, I do that. This is my experience. Thank you so much. How strange.

Greg asked him why he did this. So Greg found the tapes at his house. And I was like, why do you do this? And Tommy said that he was practicing his American accent by listening to Greg's accent. Greg is still not convinced of this. Oh, my God. Get out of there, Greg.

In the film, you see the recorded conversation as it happens between Lisa and Mark on the phone, where she says that she says that she's cheating on him. And then you see it played back by Johnny on the tape recorder. The two conversations are different. You're just going to get the audio. That's so easy. It's so easy. In the script, they're different.

So instead of copy-pacing the conversation, he just re-wrote it. Wrote a different one. And they're markedly different as well. It's not minor. Instead of turning the script back four pages and looking at what you wrote yesterday, he just started to freestyle. Brilliant. I think this is what I wrote.

Breaking rules. Yeah. This is a general context. Amazing. Amazing. Anything goes. Anything goes. I don't know how that goes. Well, anything goes. That's true. That's me. I'm hot dog.

At one point in the film, Lisa's mother nonchalantly tells Lisa that she has breast cancer and it's never mentioned again. Okay. Oh, my God. Why? Okay. That's it. I mean, that's not it. That's the end of the report. The end. There were multiple fights on set

and people were laughing at Tommy the whole time. Tommy had employed someone to film a behind-the-scenes documentary about the making of the room, but it turned out that he was watching the tapes every night when he got home to see what people were saying about him, mostly laughing about his poor acting, which might explain why he was so late every day because he was up till the early hours of the morning.

So he spends eight hours on set, then goes home and watches eight hours of him on set. He's the strangest person ever. So if ever anyone said anything bad about Tommy, it was caught by the guy filming. Do they not know that or do they just not care? Probably a bit of broken. I imagine people probably were saying not nice things about him too. They were mostly laughing at him.

Oh. Yeah. Or complaining that he wouldn't give them water. Or money. Yeah. For the job they're doing. Yeah. The film ended up having three different directors of photography because they kept quitting due to poor conditions

and not getting paid on time. And the thing about DOPs is their crew goes with them. So it was like three whole different crews. Fuck. Very good. So there's a lot of consistency then. In people quitting, yes. Yes.

Brilliant. Wow. Look, Jess, the only consistency is change. Oh, wow, Naomi. Is that Hans Zimmer? Yes. One of his many inventions. So good.

That sentence. Yeah, he invented that sentence. Was that your Year 12 year book quote? We didn't. I went to a poor school. Oh. We didn't have quotes. I don't remember what mine was actually.

Now I want to find my yearbook. Glad I brought that up. I would not want to see what mine was. You wouldn't have had a beard, so that'd be weird. I don't like that. Yuck. Imagine that face, just as it's supposed to be. Ugh.

I mean, he had that look for the majority of his life. No, I think Probably not now What do you reckon the ratio of beards and non-beard? You'd be 50-50 by now, wouldn't you? First beard was probably about seven, seven, eight hundred years ago. Right, and how old were you seven, eight hundred years old then?

It was before that. I didn't record birthdays. I reckon about 98% beard. Wow. And then two percent, um, two percent, baby. Yeah. Baby mustache.

So I had a really little mustache. Oh, so cute. Little baby one. Yeah, a little baby's little mustache. Oh, good out of town that. It's cute. Little Poirot. Oh, stop it.

That is adorable. I mean, that's me. That's my story. That's my truth. Live it. Yeah. It's brave. You got to.

Thank you. Thank you for being so vulnerable in this space. Oh, it is hard. Oh, no. But how do you feel now that you've, you've, it's a wave lifted. Yeah. I feel airy, I feel fairy. You look, you're glowing.

I'm floating on life. Wow. And support. Yes. Life support from you guys, my friends. Turn that off. Turn that off. Jesus, Dave.

Although then we get his share of the cold hard cash. Yeah. I don't have any. The Stuart treasure. I don't have. Give us the map. I'm so sorry, it's a myth. Naomi has a very long report.

I'm so sorry we keep derailing. You're doing so well, by the way. Am I? Are you having fun? Oh, this is the show. Have you ever heard this show before? I've never heard of this show before. But have you ever heard the show before?

Plenty times. Love it. She's a big fan. She's a big fan. Just no follow-up questions. And she'll move long. What's your favorite episode? I don't even have a, I do have a favorite.

Do you? What is it? I know, because then you're just. I'm going to say me too. Same. I went through a phase of just listening to it on repeat. Not on repeat. Not the same episode.

And then I moved on. I just listened to podcasts for like a month at a time. So it was a while ago. That's a long stretch. Yeah. That's great. Good for you. But now you're part of it.

I've been a while studying a while ago, actually. I made a math cheat sheet. I listened to you talk about Titanic. Oh. Right. Do you remember anything about maths or is it all about icebergs? Yeah. The whole exam.

I just wrote about icebergs. We're going down. The funny thing was, they had enough lifeboats, but they took them off because they wanted more decking. Anyway, X equals, I don't know. More decking! Amen.

You know what's good for you. More deck. Don't look at me like that. Please. Jess? Where were we? What's happening? Okay.

Every odd moment in the room has an explanation. behind it. Kyle Voigt played Peter, Johnny's psychologist friend. Kyle had told Tommy months ago that he had a commitment coming up and wouldn't and would need to be done shooting, but shooting had blown out and Kyle's scenes weren't done. Tommy blew up at Kyle and Kyle was so stressed about it that he smacked his head against the stairs during a blocking of a scene on his last day and blood was gushing from his head. He had a concussion so he kept blinking and grabbing pieces of the set during the last scene for this reason. Oh my God, he's stumbling around the set and they're not calling an ambulance.

They keep filming. Oh, my God. He also stares straight into the camera, which you can see in the final cut. Does he just crying help? He stares down the barrel? Yeah, his eyes are growing up. So you can actually see him really struggling. Yeah.

Oh, my God. He didn't notice it when you saw it. No, but nothing seems out of place. in the film. It's all dumb. Yeah, it's really odd. In the book, everything that seems odd is like a full explanation. There's like a backstory and it all comes back to Tommy. Yeah, there's a traumatic event for every single weird.

So if you took out all of those weird things and it was made as it was scripted, would it be better? It'd be less weird, obviously. If it was made as it would scripted, it would be way worse. It would be worse, right? I think that's wonderful influencing him to make him to make. it better and coherent. Right. But all the weird little things like the concussions and stuff,

if you took them out, would that improve it or make it, is it more interesting because of those weird stories? Yeah, I think so. I mean, you don't know about them. You just see a guy just in the middle of a scene, just look straight at the camera. You just think he's unprofessional. Yeah, he's not a good actor.

He's got a concussion. Yeah, he's in a lot of trouble. He's struggling. Yeah, not his best scene. So, since Carl had to leave, Tommy created a new character, Stephen, who takes the rest of Peter, lines and just appears in the last third of the film. What the fuck?

Love that. So he's just there. No, no explanation. And he's just like, Lisa, stop. Does someone in the film say, who's this guy? Or is that what we're saying watching it? That's what we're saying. Right.

There's no explanation at all. No. No one's easy. Come on, Matt. Come on. Everyone picks it up. It's a different guy. There's Peter or something.

What? You only have one friend. It's true It's a movie like real laugh Do you have other friends? Yes Who are they? No

I'm going to answer however Gets me out of this quickest Do you believe him? That he has other friends Or that he doesn't have other friends Because he said both answers I believe one of them But I'll never reveal which one

Oh my God They're killing me these two You guys are crazy Sorry hot dog What's this surname? Janjigian. Fuck, it's good. How could you forget?

I will. Yeah, you're right. Na, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Janjigian. It's pretty good. I'll go on. Please. Please do go on.

That's funny. That's the name. Okay. There are several sex scenes in the room. Several. Several. Too many? At least three?

serving more Why is there so many There's so many And they go for so long Tommy's bare ass Is out for his scenes with Lisa And he thrusted near her belly button The whole time

Which is very obvious When you watch it You're like, why is he doing that To her mid-torso Great He He likes some shots People told him

That it looked like he was banging her belly button But he just kept doing it He likes some shots from the first sex scene and reuse them in the next sex scene because he thought people wouldn't notice but it's extremely noticeable. Is it like a different location? No, it's the same bed and everything

but it's just like just the same shots. Like I think it's even the sequence of a few shots. The first time I watched it, I was like, hmm. Flashback. That's scrappy. I expected better from this film. Though his ass can be seen many times in these scenes, he still insisted on a shot of him walking from behind naked

so you can see his full ass on display. He likes his own butt. He loves it. He got that from a movie with Brad Pitt in it. Okay. Where there's a shot of Brad Pitt's ass. What's the butt like, Dave? He's quite a muscular guy.

Right. We'll say that. I don't know if you know how old he is, but, you know, I think speculated about. He's quite an older guy, but yeah. So he, um, it's a great butt in answer your question. Thank you. But you don't want to look at it.

I mean, not for not that many minutes. Maybe a glance. If you really look, like, because he's walking, I feel like you can see just like the silhouette of his scrotum. I'm so sorry. That's all you want to see, though, isn't it? If that. Yeah, just a hint of a scroll.

It's all you want to see. That's what I want to see. Sure. Show me that scroote silhouette. Show me that scroats. I want to know that it's there. But I don't want to see it in a little detail. Just a hint.

A hint of scroat. I'm going to... Am I getting a... How do you say, hint of scrote? I'm going to throw an opinion out. I don't care if it's there. Yeah, great point. But did you get that from a Brad Pitt film?

I don't know. The scrot of... That famous scrotum shot of Brad Pitt? The scrot shot. Scrot shot. Scrot shot? Is that a good nickname? Sounds like a superhero. Scratch shot.

What, you love it? You want it for yourself. All right, Scrott shot. All right, Scrott shot. He's our little scrot shot. Scrot shot and hot dog Jan Jigginian. What a duo? What about squat dog? Scrot dog Janjigian. Oh, that's good.

That is good. Best at both worlds. And I love it because if people ask, there's a lot of explanation. It goes into it. All right. That comes from scrotum. Okay? Hot dog?

That's hot dog. You get Scrot dog. Scrotum hot dog. Or Scrotum dog. Jengi Yin, that's the name of some guy I mispronounced on a podcast. Any more questions? Yeah. It's funny.

Trust me. Throughout the film, Lisa cheats on Johnny, tells everyone that Johnny hit her when he didn't. And then lies about pretending to be pregnant with his child. Lisa doesn't sound very nice. No, she's not. Johnny's perfect. She's tearing him apart. He just keeps getting...

What was it before? He's perfect, but... He's constantly getting wrong. That's right. Thank you. Yeah, I... Other people wrong him. Women don't come off great in this film.

That's just as an aside. The movie ends with Johnny being fed up with this world. That's a quote from the film. Trashing his house and shooting him. Oh. Before he shoots himself, however, something happens. This is how it's written in the script. He reaches in and pulls out more of Lisa's clothes and throws them on the floor.

He lies on the clothes, unzipping his zipper. He is breathing hard and writhing with pelvic thrusts. When he finishes, he sits up and picks up the gun. Okay. What is that? What is happening? So if you watch the movie, you see that and you're like, is he fucking a dress? And you're like, no, it's probably just.

some weird quirk and then you read the script and it's and it's better than it's less explicit than the script said wow okay so is he fucking address yeah yeah great yeah he's fucking a dress yeah yeah everyone was like why yeah that's an excellent question to ask because of emotion emotion was there an answer yeah emotion oh i don't think so oh yeah but he would he's done a lot of Q and A's and stuff right after, he would have done a lot of interviews and a lot of movie Q&A's after screenings. Yeah, but he doesn't really answer them properly. Like, there's a lot of American football in the film.

Obviously, he's obsessed with America, but they're just like throwing a football to each other and they're standing like two metres apart or like one meter. And they asked him, why do you have, like, why are they playing football in tuxedos at one point, two meters apart from each other? And he says something like, America is such a beautiful place. football is so fun with your friends. So you never really answers any question. No, that's an answer question.

Next question. Why'd you fuck a dress? America is such a beautiful place. And dresses look lovely in the summertime. Next question. You knows what he's about. Sorry. That spoke to me that answer.

Thank you. It's a beautiful place. Thank you. And? And the rest of it was also good. Quite a memory on you. I'm very old. When filming his suicide scene,

there was a blood splatter mechanism that would go off when the first AD yelled bang. But every time they did this, Tommy would not fall down and just stay there kneeling with the gun in his mouth. Oh no. You would just forget to pretend to die. Okay.

I said bang. Where does this mix of like super- confident but it's like no good all at once where does the confidence come from I think a lot of people are like yeah probably yeah because all of it makes me think is he a genius I still I'm not sure if he's a genius or not I mean he has a dream fine line it is a fine line um at one point in the movie he so Greg was wearing a had a beard for most of the film and then at one point Tommy was like, you have to shave it for this scene. And he was like, why he really didn't want to shave it.

But Tommy made him shave it. And Greg was disappointed because his plan was to have a beard in the film, have his name printed differently in the credits and pretend it wasn't. Greg could have easily ditched this guy a long time ago when he realized that he was the Matt Damon. I think he gave him like hundreds of thousands of dollars. He's getting paid. Wow. It's also all on, Greg.

Greg, this doesn't exist without Greg, right? Greg was a line producer and a lead actor. Yeah. A line producer does everything. But he also introduced film to him, didn't he? No, he'd never seen a film before. No, he just took him to one film. Tommy was always obsessed with him.

And the rest is history. Yeah, thank you, Greg. Wow. And he's the guy I touched elbows with, is that right? Yes. He's the one who's been in Australia recently? Yes. You're that genius.

You touched elbows with one? You've been in the same. You've been in the same. I do feel smarter I don't think it has If I can be honest I've noticed a dip It's a safe place

From you to be honest Really? Do you think he stole some of my genes Yeah I think so That's what this guy does Because you were on the cusp Of a big discovery Yes And now

Nothing I do feel different Yeah I thought it was better No It's worse Your feeling was wrong Sorry

Your general vibe makes sense to me now, just lately. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't like it when you guys were being mean to me. Now I'm doing it to Matt. I'm sorry, Matt. You are the heart and soul of this podcast. And we love you.

It's been a few years now, Jess. I'm pretty well used to it, okay? I'm not. You're pretty well used to being the heart and soul. We thank you for it. When the film was finally done, Tommy rented a billboard on Sunday. Stead Boulevard that stayed up for five years. It said, now showing, even though the film was not showing anywhere yet.

Yes. Because he was just copying other billboards. Five years. It's so good. I didn't know that. It became sort of a fixture because his face is quite menacing. And it was just like the sort of iconic thing. Like black and white his face.

So that. And so the room now showing. Legend. I think it said the Tennessee will, new Tennessee Williams. Oh, yeah. A title he would give himself. Like a quote, but like it's not attributed to anyone because no one said it. Yeah, it was like fake quotes.

Oh, very good. Like what we put on our posters. Yeah, I'm kidding. They were real. Yeah, they were real. It listed his phone number on it and if he called, he would answer and tell you to go see the movie. Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing.

He had a premiere screening at a cinema in 2003. he showed up with Greg in a limo that he put the room poster on each window. And when they got there, there weren't enough people lining up outside. So they just kept doing, went around the block a few times until there were enough people. And then they stopped and got out. That's great. But they also couldn't see that through the window. So they had to kind of semi get out every time and go, not enough.

Back in. Yeah. And I think the, yeah, it was a very important. filled out by extras, the whole. And Greg says, this is his quote, people were hypnotised with laughter. He ended up paying for the film to screen at a cinema and it made $1,600 in its two-week run.

$1,600. And it cost $6 million to make. Oh, my God. I am notoriously not good at maths. But I'm going to take a stab if you guys will create a safe space for me to do so. Of course. I'm going to guess that that is probably what would be considered a box office smash.

Smash. Did you hear it's $6 million? Yeah. That's crazy good. That cost. Yeah. Yeah, cost price. Wow.

That's great. Like all profit, right? Is that net or profit? All of it. Wow. That's amazing. $600. But still somehow great value as well, don't you think?

Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. I don't think I could do it for that. Six million. So it was made for $1,600 and it made $6 million. Yeah. That's one of the best. That's the way I said that. It's the best ratio I've ever heard.

Yeah. Play which project move over. Yeah, in fact, with all those actors, I don't know, all of that would have gone on like their wages. No wonder he couldn't afford water. Yeah, he couldn't afford water. No way. He was good with money.

Wow. He really stretched it. Yeah. He spread it beautiful. Hold on. Cost? That's not good at all. Six million. That is absolutely crazy. Of his personal money. Why did he have that? I'll get to it. Oh my God, I'm so excited. Yes. In that two weeks, it got a small number of fans who saw it multiple times a day and later campaigns to bring the film back, emailing him thousands of times. So $1,600. That was actually only 20 people. seeing it like 10 times ago.

Far out. That's sad. By 2004, there were regular midnight screenings of the film in Los Angeles. By 2009, there were midnight screenings happening in New York City and other places. Matt just mini exploded.

Were you just shocked? 2009? 2009? That made me hiccup with delight. What a year. So since then, the room's become this cult movie, kind of like rocky horror picture shows.

There are a lot of rules. when you go see it of things that you're supposed to do to... Like when you see the outline of his scroote. You yell. Scroo, scroo, scroo, scroo, scroo, scroo. Love that scroote. Love that scroat. Give me that stroot.

And if you're, if you have a scrote, you're supposed to grab yours. Woo! Yeah. As Dave demonstrated. I grabbed the air. I grabbed the air. I swear. You did not make contact with scroat.

Did not touch Jess's knee. Woo! All right, what are the rules? I think I know one of them. Some of the rules. I'm not going to read. them all because there are a lot. Number one is the room is filled with picture frames that have stock art of spoons. And so when you see spoons on screen, you have to throw plastic spoons

at the screen. Yes, that's the one I knew. Pretty wild. Is there an explanation of why there are stock art of spoons? Yeah, they just, they had them there and then they're like, should we swap them out? And I can't remember Tommy or someone else who just didn't care anymore. I think it was Tommy and was like, no, they're nice. Just leave the spoons. Okay, cool. count every time that someone says that Mark is Johnny's best friend because multiple times it's just like, Mark is Johnny's best friend or I can't do this, Lisa. Johnny's my best friend.

So does everyone just yell out like three? Like they're literally counting. I thought you were counting down. Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah, they just. You're just counting throughout the film. Great. Cool.

I've never been to a screening. It sounds fun. Yeah. It's really fun, but the ones in Melbourne have gotten overwhelming at this point because it's so popular now that it's just like you can't hear anything. Oh, you can't actually hear because people are throwing spoons or yelling, counting the whole time. Because there's so many rules. It'd be hard

to keep track of the rules. And then you can just yell out stuff you notice. Scroat! Scroat! Inappropriate scrub! Bum! Inapprobed, scrope! Yelling focus at the screen when the camera isn't focused properly, which happens a lot. NERDS. They often just didn't

check because they were like, this isn't going anywhere. No one will ever see this. Also, yelling unfocused when the sex scenes are happening. Another rule is to leave the room during the longest sex scene of the film. Because it goes for like, I don't know how long. Well, you just go get like popcorn or something. Yeah, you go to the bathroom, have a cigarette or something. Wow.

That's hilarious. I don't recommend that second. But I do recommend using the bathroom when you need to. Every day I do it. Get out. Me too. Really? Yes.

There's so much in common. I love you. I know, friendship. There's a part in the movie where Tommy seems to look to the bottom of the corner of the screen and wave. And people sometimes run to that corner of the screen and wave back. That's kind of cute. It is cute. This happened because it took Tommy ages to get his blocking and lines right for this one scene.

And so on the one take that he did it right, he waved at the first AD to celebrate that he'd done it. Rather than wait for them to say, cut. Like a proud little kid. He's like, I'll do it. There is now a room, the room video game, a book written by Greg Sestero called The Disaster Artists, which again is my favorite book from where I got all this information. And later a movie was made based on the book starring James Franco. So in the movie, The Disaster Artist, who is Dave Franco playing?

Greg. I thought so. Okay, cool. I'm with it. Yeah. Is Alison Brie in it? Yes. Yeah, she plays, I think.

He plays Greg's girlfriend. Who he talks about in the book, but who guess? One fun fact is that Tommy Wiseo would only sign the contract if he was in it. Of course. For a certain amount of time. But they didn't say that it had to be in the final cut. So he didn't make it into the final cut, but he is in the credits. That's smart.

Genius. And it is a bizarre scene. Just seeing it, because they're like dressed the same, obviously. Pardon me, but it's me. It's but yeah, it's James Franco and Tommy Wise, though. And also James Franco stayed in character the whole time. Really? He was directing.

So it was like him directing a movie where he starred in it playing a director who also starred in the movie. Wow, it's so meta. Yeah. Hopefully he was like a bit more, a bit easier to work with than the actual Tommy, you know? No, they weren't allowed to have water on the set. Oh, no, come on. Your own brother.

Method. When Tommy introduces the film, he always says more or less the same thing. You can laugh, you can cry, you can express yourself, but please don't hurt each other. Okay. All right, mate. A great line. Wow. It's beautiful.

There's a documentary called The Room Full of Spoons that tries to find out where Tommy is from, that Tommy hates and run a smear campaign against online. Recommend YouTubeing that. It was going to air at Sydney Underground Film Festival until they were contacted by Tommy's lawyers. And this is the quote, we received these emails from an apparent lawyer of WISO films saying that we'd breached copyright. It was really funny because all the emails were misspelled and had really terrible grammar. And if you read it in the Tommy Wiseau accent, it sounds exactly like Tommy. That is incredible. Yeah.

So, but they did actually not film it, screen it, whatever. Well, they didn't screen it at Sydney Underground Film Festival. So I haven't seen it. I really want to see it. But they have shown it other places. But yeah, he just sends some threats like this. He doesn't like it. He was initially on board, but whatever.

Tommy's often said that he's born in 1968, as his driver's license says, which Greg saw. But Greg's brother's partner, however, tracked him down in public records, which state he was born in the 50s. He doesn't actually say in the book, but it's said to be around the 50s. He's got a fake driver's license.

Well, yeah, I don't know. Okay, so Greg pieces together stories. Tommy has told him to come up with a backstory for him. Great, but again, it's not confirmed because Tommy won't talk about it. So this is Greg just figuring it out. Yeah, so if you ask Tommy how we finance the film, he'll just say selling leather jackets.

Okay, six million dollars. Easy. Easy. Okay, so he grew up under communist rule in Europe, most likely Poland, and was always obsessed with America, for which he was labelled a traitor. He escaped to France when he was a young man

but was still scared of being caught as he worked in a restaurant for an abusive man who threatened to get him sent back. He eventually made his way to the US to Shalmay, Louisiana. He eventually moved to San Francisco, California, where he sold trinkets on fishermen's wharf. And he got known for this bird that you would throw up in the air and it would whistle. So they called him the Birdman.

Sure. That's when he changed his name to Tommy Wiseau, because Wiseo in French means bird. Right. Okay. But it's like, the spelling's a bit different. He worked in restaurants and opened a fashion store that sold Misfypen WISHAPen Levi's. One leg is significantly

longer than the other. Like one's long enough for a stilt. You got a stilt? Which leg? Have I got the jeans for you? Other leg. Don't worry, I've got it about the back.

He's got everything, Noms. He's got everything you need. Every kind of shape. Oh yeah. It's a very inclusive, dodgy jeans. That's brilliant. Eventually buying and ranting out large real estate, large retail spaces in and around San Francisco and Los Angeles, making him

independently wealthy. Though it's hard to fathom someone could make that much money from a regular blue jeans and trinkets. Greg says he doesn't think Tommy has gotten his wealth from any mob connections or driving. I was going to say something dodgy, but okay. Yeah. Well, that's what Greg's like, I'm just convinced that it couldn't be that. He just couldn't see him like comprehending.

Yeah, he couldn't pull that off. It feels like it would have come out by now somehow as well. Yeah, you've got to be pretty sneaky. and clever. And he doesn't feel either of those things to me. We've got a lot of good things to say about criminals there, Jess. How is sneaky a good thing? Clever?

Clever? Yeah. Well, dinosaurs can be clever. Yeah, they're great. They're not criminals. Dinosaurs. Animals are clever. Yep, still a bad example.

Please move on. You're right. Dinosaurs can be clever. It's a really good point. That don't sound very good. My back as a real dead. Idiots. Gotcha.

Got them. Got those stupid dinosaurs. Greg and Tommy have gone on to create another movie together called Best Friends, but the R is in brackets. So it's kind of like best fiends. Oh, I love it. Oh, wow. Based on a road trip they took in 2003 during which Tommy believed Greg was going to kill him.

What the fuck is wrong with him? Why did Tommy think Greg was going to kill him? I... Okay, sorry. I shouldn't question. the plot. I'm so sorry. They were in, I can tell you, actually. They were in the place where Alfred Hitchcock filmed the birds.

It was already spooky. The Wizzo's, sorry. The Wizzo's. Oh, Bodega Bay. Yes. That's the name of the place. I don't know. It was actually filmed there, but that's what it said, yeah.

Yeah, I think that's it. Well done. Some knowledge. It's true. It's true. I don't know how I know that. And they only had one bed left, and so they weren't going to rent it to the both of them. So Greg was like, Tommy just stand out the back and I'll just get the one room and we can share it.

And Tommy thought that Greg didn't want to. anyone to know he was there so that he could murder him and no one would know. And that's what that movie's based on. And he didn't run for it. You know? He's like, well, okay. Well, where else is he going to go? It's middle of nowhere.

Great point. So, and despite Greg, he wrote the disaster artist the book? Yes. Despite him writing that, which obviously portrays Tommy as a bad guy, a crazy guy, a terrible actor, a terrible director, they're still friends. They're best friends. They talk every single day. Has he not read the disaster artist of the book?

I don't know. I don't know. I just think he just like goes along with whatever. Like he wants success and... Well, it has made him famous. That's what they wanted. Yeah, when people started calling the room a comedy, he was like, yep. Yeah. Sure is.

Intentional. Yeah. That's what I was going for. Yeah, nailed it. Like comedy. So it's crazy. So I bought, I bought the script online because in the book it says that the script is so much worse. And it is.

I've only read some of it. But there's just some characters just, they're not in the scene at all. And then at the end, it's like, Denny leaves the room. And everyone's like, bye, Denny. That is funny. So I bought it for my boyfriend actually as a present, and he was overseas when it came. And I just clicked, signed copy. And then it came in the mail, and it was like, Naomi, follow your dreams.

And so I was like, oh, I called him and I was like, I got you something. And I got it signed, but they signed it to me. I'm so sorry. he's like, oh, you keep it, you keep it. Like, he was so sad. And I was like, in any other scenario, I would keep it. But in this scenario, it's perfect that it's yours. Yeah.

Because it's signed to the wrong. Yeah. Yeah, that works. Yeah. And then I did meet Greg Sestro when he was here. And he was dead behind their eyes. Where did you meet? The Nova was doing screenings of the disaster artist.

He was there, like, signing stuff. So I brought the script for him to sign it. I bought the book as well. And he just, I feel like he's met a lot of, cult fans and he was just he just started asking questions and as soon as I'd start answering it

he'd just ask another one like he was trying to get out like a quota of words yeah bang bang bang bang and he just kept like interrupted me halfway through and I was like oh and then he's like did you like the book I was like oh yeah I really he's like what was your favorite part and I was like oh I really like the end of it hey he told me he's like did you like did you think

the friendship was funny and I was like yeah yeah by this said you want to get out of the conversation He's like, yes. I mean, if that was what he was doing, it worked. But it was just not going to be like, do you think that that's funny?

It's just like. Do you like me? Oh. So does he seem like a really weird guy as well? Well, that's not, because I always thought he was normal. But then I was like, he's best friends with Tommy Wise. Yeah. I kind of feel like it started out making no money,

but now it's because it's got that cult following. And then with a disaster artist, like I feel like Tommy's got what he wanted. And I'm a little bit. mad at that. Like, I don't, he doesn't deserve what he has now. Why not? Because he's... He tried so hard. Fuck, good point. I find it really inspiring, to be honest. He took a real gamble. He can make it.

Yeah. You just got to believe. You just got to blindly believe. Yeah. Who's made his money back? Oh, without a doubt. Yeah, definitely. He sells underwear online now. Underware? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because he always wanted to be an underwear model. And I think when he was doing the ass shot, he was like, I could be in there. Underwear model. Yep.

And he believes in himself and now he sells underwear online. That is inspiring. I mean, anyone could sell underwear online. That's the beauty of the internet now. You just do that. We let you on the internet one time. And now he thinks he knows everything about the internet. I got popped up a couple of shops.

A couple of shops popped up. Yeah. A little pop-up shop? Yeah, good. A couple of shops there. Yeah, great. What did you buy? No, I didn't buy.

I sell. I sell underwear. Oh. What kind of underwear? Oh, the most exquisite kinds that you could think of. What material? Denham? Denim undies.

Fabric. Ooh. Linen. Linen undies, breathable. Curtains. Curtain undies. Or are you selling curtains also? Fox.

Gymnasium. Yeah, we've lost him. One pair of fabric, please. Hat. I'd love to. sell do go on underwear. Ceiling. No.

I think it's time. I think it's time as well. Do you go on underpants. Do you go on. Your butt. Do you go underpants is good. Yes. All right.

We'll do undies. Hot dogs gets it. Hot dogs. Hot dogs. This topic was actually suggested by a couple of listeners, including Cecil and also Daniel Spring. Daniel Spring. There you go.

Did you have fun? Philadelphia. Yeah, that was a great report. Well done. Thank you, hot dogs. That was great. What was the Scrut dog? Scrot dog, Jenji.

I was like, I don't remember signing off on that one. I had a scrot get into Jen Jigian. Scrot dog, Jan Jigian. That was great. Thank you. We could feel the passion. Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah.

So how many times you reckon you've seen the room? 10, 15 times? And did you enjoy the design? disaster artist, the film adaptation of your favorite book? I did. I was like, this doesn't have every single detail from the book. It was like a fake story about Malcolm in the middle in there. Yeah, why is Brian Cranston in it?

Yeah. So that's not real. No, James Franco was like, I just thought it would be cool to have Brian Cranston from the 90s. And I was like, okay, sick. It was like me watching The Hunger Games, you know? Why are you living out the best bits? Why is Brian Cranston in the Hunger Games? Why is in this movie 10?

hours long. I get it. To cover everything. When I was told, I first heard that they were making a movie about making the room, I was like, that is the worst idea for a film I've ever seen. And then I watched the trailer of him stuffing up. I did not hit her. I did not.

Oh, my mark. And they take 30 takes or whatever. And I was like, this looks amazing. It was like the quickest turnaround. So 90 second trailer really won me over. And I enjoyed it. It was a good film. It was great.

I really want to see room full of spoons. Yeah. That does sound cool. Hard to get you. hot little hands on that one. I reckon you'll find a way. You'll be resourceful. I'm scrappy.

You're clever. Oh, no. Sneaky. Yeah, how's it feel? I'm not sure. Bad. I'm not a criminal. I'm a good girl.

Not that I know of. Stealing all those hearts. At the time of the show of that fun segment we call. Fact quote or question. where our Patreon Sydney-Shaunberg-level supporters get to give us a fact quote or question. This week, the question is from Nestor Gujarro. Nestor. I'm not saying I should really know how to say your name right, Nestor.

No, Dave does it best. Dave does it best. Do it best, Dave. He's a guiaro. Guarro. Nesta, Guiaro. and they also get to give themselves their own title and this week Nestor has given himself the title

that we once gave to him before the unbestable Nestor Cannot be bested And his question is a bad ad for a shop And our prices cannot be bested Oh by the way I'm Nester Otherwise that just makes sense Demand's a good ad Roll the ad.

Yeah, and only had one take. Did he write and produce that? Yeah. Yeah. His question is... Oh, hang on. I was about to read someone else's question. Like a real dog.

Oh, gee whiz. Oh, no. Oh, no. That would have been fucked. I hope it's what's your favorite animal noise to make. I'm ready if it is. When you're scared? Yeah, specifically when you're scared.

No, it is not. Fuck! It is. If you guys had a three-way staring contest. God. Oh, thank goodness. Thank goodness. You took way too long to get that.

Oh, we all, the three of us went a very different direction. Steering contest. I'm obviously very naive because that did not enter my mind, but I also was able to see the following words, so that probably helped me. If you guys had a three-way... Just say staring contest. Who would win? And who would have a three-way up? And who would be the first to give in?

I don't mean that. Okay, so then you've just got the... Just take out the word staring contest. No, certainly leave in the word... Who would win the three-way? Okay, staring contest, I reckon Dave would win. Yeah, I'm... I would give up the quickest.

Are you guys so good? Because I'm pretty good. I used to be good, but my eyes... Now, I've got to wear glass and stuff. I find it hard to focus on looking. I just get... I'm not competitive at all. So I'm not competitive at all. So I'm like, this is dumb.

I don't care. How are we going to do? Well, Dave's already, we've already decided he wins. Now you versus me. And maybe know me and Dave can talk. Ah, I just blinked. Did you? Did you?

No. All right. See? No, I'm number two. I'm number two. Yeah, I think you'd win. So I just get the title. I don't even have to prove it.

Great. Wait, look. Come for my crown. Ready? Wait. Ready? You say, you call it. I'll call it.

Three, two, one. One, open. All right, I'll watch Matt. I'm watching Dave. Dave blinked almost immediately. I panic. I panic blinked. It's really hard.

I feel like now you two have to do it to see you the last. See, this is what I mean. I don't care. I feel like I've got a proper go. All right, come on then. You have a proper go. I mean, it's probably best if I do blink because it's terrible audio. Yeah, true.

Dave, I mean, David sounds like you're weasling out. No, honestly, I am happy to crown Matt the champion. of this. Well, Nestor didn't say do it on air. He just, he asked us to hypothesise. And we hypothesized wrong. We all thought I'd be good. Yeah. And I was not. True. I didn't realize it was going to be so easy to win. Both of them were within 10 seconds. I'm like, I could make 20. Within three seconds. Yes. Pathetic. That was good fun. Thank you so much, Nestor. It is true. You cannot be bested. And, Naomi, there's another part of the show, maybe since you've stopped listening, which obviously breaks our hearts.

but since then that's a new segment over from the last few maybe the last month. Another segment we do. Who stopped listening? That's a segment we do. We call it stop listening. And the other one we do is reading out some patrons supporters. And Jess comes up with a fun game somehow relating back to the topic this week. Pardon me, my voice is going to come back now.

Would you mind joining in? I'd love it Do you shout out to someone? Okay, I think Should we either give them A movie title Like their version of the room Or change their surname

To a French word How many French words do we all know? Yeah, a couple We've got six, we've got eight names Okay, let's just give them a movie title then Is that okay? Yes, that is certainly, that's fine. All right, great.

Dave's going to go first. Dave's going to go first. Why is it called the room? Yes. Why is it called the room? I can look up, you know what, I'll look up the explanation that he gave. Is that memorable? I can't remember it now.

All right, so you want me to go first? Yes. I would like to thank from Great Britain. G-Bee. All the way up in. Glasgow. Glasgow. From Glasgow.

Mota. I'd like to think, I'd like to thank Taggett for being a great show. Obviously. I'd also like to thank Fraser Craig. Fraser Craig. Fraser Craig. Are you happy that we can say it properly? Fraser Craig.

Fraser Craig and I want to call it the motor. The motor. And that's also a bird thing because it's a... A manor of Christ. The mota. The moat. Starring Fraser Craig And to be honest

It could be anything And it would be better than the room So that's pretty good Thanks to your support all the way up in Glasgow We hope to see you sometime soon Over in the UK I'd like to thank All the way

Now this one I'd love to say we hope to see you soon And it's my dream to go back there All the way in Iceland I've spoken to you a few times On Messenger You've sent a few messages to the page Thank you so much

I'm going to have a crack at your name the way you explained to me how to say it. Sigurborg. Sigur-Bi-Bi-Bi-Reg. Sigab-Bi-Borg. Siger-Bur. And you also said that we could call you Siba. Sibur is a nickname.

Seba. I'm not even going to have a crack at your last time because it is very daunting. There's a lot of umlets in there. There's a lot of accents and things going on there. Umlets. Um-lots. Thank you so much for supporting.

Possibly our only... Can't make a good omelop without cracking a few eggs, ma'am. Possibly our only patrons are. from Iceland so you can claim that title and Jess what are we what's Sigabjorg's film the omelette The omelet The omelet Is there an omelet in omelet? No but there's a there's an e-or in there

Oh It's also an egg The omelette what do you think that's about? Oh Matt Just a brief synopsis Okay We open Rolling Hills

Yeah Jess it's a play A title A title says 1906 Hills That's beautiful That is so good

There's a 40 minute dance sequence Yeah In an interval We come back for the fight scene Followed by the tasteful sex scene Roll credits Right And the omelette was symbolic

Dave I just explained the whole film How do you not I mean I'm not an autour like you I'll, we just don't have the time I need it spelled out to me Okay

With all the umlaunts Please Just very quickly What's the murder about The murder Okay Is it just an episode of tagger We open

Rolling City Skyline Glasgow No No No Oh Dave that is the dumbest question I've ever heard Sorry

It's a fictional city in the future Oh go glass Glowglass, thank you And obviously 35 minute dance number Yeah Called the omelette In this movie for some reason

It's a bit like the nutcracker So they're cracking eggs Okay Then it's followed by a rousing Speech by the President of Glogas Inspiring his troops Yeah Battle scene

Right But more like World War One Trench Warfare, which is interesting. Back to the future. Yeah. Because they figured that's the best war. Yeah. So they do that again.

They call it the Great War. And that's why. They've tried to top it since, and they haven't. Good luck. Tasteful sex scene. Does anyone get murdered? Ends in a wedding. Okay.

Roll credits. Please don't make me do this for all of them. I really have to go. I mean, it was the murder symbolic? Dave. Sorry. I have a lot of dumb questions. Dave, they get married at the end.

Common phrase. You get more for murder. More for moida. The marriage is not going to last long. More for moida. What's a moiter? There we go. So thank you to...

Seagabj. Yes. Over to you, Jessica. Okay, I would like to thank from Bloomington. Oh. Andrew Frankzic

Fransic Fransic Fransic Fransic Fransic Farnzic looks good Fransic Looks good

It feels right Thank you Andrew Is that Indiana In the US Dave gets it Yes it is I sat next to Dave on a plane While he played a game

Learning all of the States Oh yeah And John I did Had a nap because I know how to use my time. You've got to use your time right. You know Gary's in Indiana? Just as an aside.

So Andrew, what would Andrew's film be called? I mean, just because he's got Fran and a surname, I can't help but think of an movie of The Nanny. Obviously. Film adaptation. The Nanny! Maybe it's a spin-off, though. It's called Mr. Sheffield, the movie.

You have to say it like that. Yeah. And when is it set? It's set in the distant part. Wow. He walked through a wormhole just before the movie begins, so that's never explained. And he's in the jungles of dinosaur days. No.

Yes. When the world was called Dino World. And he somehow used the skills that he got from present day, Queens. And he got the dinosaurs to dance for 30. 35 minutes. Wow. And a musical. Roll scenes.

Beautiful. Roll scenes. Rolls scenes. That's beautiful. Andrew was just a three-hour drive from Gary, Indiana. What? Just a three-hour drive. Just pop on down.

I mean, what are you doing in Blooming. I'm sure Bloomingdale's is fine. Bloomington. Bloomingdale is fine. You're so close to greatness. Well, speaking of being close to greatness, someone much closer to us, and we are great. In Carlton North here in Victoria We'd like to thank Erica Steele

Erica Steele She is an old friend of mine No way For many years How dare you call her old Hello Erica Steele That is a fantastic name Yeah that is a great name

What's Erica like? She drives trams She drives trams She's a tram driver The tram driver Her film is called The Wood It's black and white Tram driver

I feel like I'm being trampled on a bit here But don't make Jess do this again The wood. Is what you want to call it? Yeah. Okay. Well, what's it about then? Smart ass.

Oh, no. What is it about? Well. A steel factory. Open. On a steel factory. Uh-huh. How do we know it's a steel factory?

Is there any sort of writing on the building that says steel factory? No. Open. Yep. Kid. This is a steel factory. Oh, thank God. That's the opening line.

Yeah. This is a steel factory. Roll credits. Oh, a short film. Yeah. A short film. No, it goes for an hour and a half. That's beautiful.

The credits are long or? No. Certainly not. Nope. Like eight minutes, yeah. And the wood. Is that literal or? What do you think, Matt?

Oh. The woods in their mind all along. There it is. That's one interpretation. I don't want to speak. I don't want to. People can get what they want from the phone, do you know what I mean? The message is the medium, so to speak.

That's beautiful. Thank you, Erica Steele. Thank you, Erica. I hope to see you soon. Bye. I would love to see you soon. Wait, was she just on the phone then? Did you call it?

Yeah. She heard that live. Oh, wow. Very polite, didn't say anything. That was very polite. Matt, take it away. Could I thank, please, from Queen Bein in New South Wales. Australia.

Queenbion. It's a great name. I love that. Ebony Cummins. Ebony Cummins. Ebony. And ivory. Black and white film.

It's called and ivory. Yes. And it opens with Ebony sitting at a piano. Notice Dave's been very quiet and all of his movie plot ideas. Hmm. Interesting. I'm just letting you guys go with, because they all are so great. Okay.

It opens Ebony. She's in a sequin gown. We can tell it's sequin because it's sparkling, but I don't know what color it is because the film is black. What? I think blue or red. Darker. She plays a version of So Sally Can Wait.

The line for the Oasis song? Yes. What year is it said? Don't look back in anger. No, no, no. She plays So Sally can wait. Right. So they've written a new song.

for the film. No, no, no. It's not Oasis. Oh, I feel like an idiot. It's so Sally can wait, which hasn't been written yet. Yeah. But it's the song that makes, it gets really famous because of this film. Yeah, yeah.

It's like a sampling thing. Yeah, yeah. So she sings that, and then her lover, he comes in. He's a 1920s mob boss. So it's set in the 1920s. No. He's a really old mob boss. No.

So there's a big shoot-up. Not of drugs. Just like people shooting each other. Not with drugs. Just guns, that's fine. And it ends with her holding him as he thinks he's dying and he's bleeding through his shirt and it's red. Roll credits.

So a bit of a Shinlil's List rip-off. Correct. I don't remember that part of Shinzell's List. That sounds cool. Yeah. I was thinking of... Cool is one word. Oh.

Oh, no, no, no. I was thinking of the Wizard of Oz when the witch gets shot. And she bleeds out. All right, we're going to speed through this because Jess has to go to the airport. I'd also like to think... She was trying to be more subtle than me, but I won't be.

Rebecca Mountain from Athens, Georgia, I think. G.A. G. Dave. Sure Rebecca Mountain That's a sick name Namey have you got a film for Rebecca Mountain

The Flatland I love it Where in your brand do you access your ideas from That's fascinating No it's crazy Can you give us a quick rundown Because Jess apparently has to go To the airport

And that means that We open at a podcast studio Yeah So relatable sitting in a room. Unbelievable. Three of them happy, fine. One, steam for maries.

For all credits. Wow. Is it a short? The flatlands. No. Oh, it's a three hour epic. Two, like two hours, 20 minutes. Wow.

That's a good length. That's pretty impressive. Oh, I'm dropping shit. You just needs it for all the plot. Rebecca Mountain is a sick name, by the way. Thank you so much, Rebecca. You are an inspiration. A legend.

An absolute inspiration. A legend and an inspiration. Naomi's also going to thank some people too. Thank you. No, thank you. Not you. Oh, okay. Thank you, Joseph, Diana. Yep. Is that it?

I reckon. Diana. Joseph. Where's Joseph from? Ooh, la la, Paris, France. This is an international episode. Hello. The bouch.

The bouch? With his mouth. Why did you look terrified? Bouch. Because before when you said we have to name French words, that was the first one that came to my man. I'm like, I think that's the only one I know. Lauch.

Le pom? That's it. Is that apple? Is that not right. Anyway, we're going with bouch. What happens? We open. The mouth.

On the eye. We open. Out of a kid's mouth. Like the camera is coming out, like a worm, but a camera. Wow, camera. Through the mouth. We see the Aflat Tower and you think you're in Paris. But really, we're in Las Vegas, baby.

It's a sweet twist. Montage of like gambling, a little bit of Celendion show. So it's a day in the life of someone at Vegas. So you actually see a 60, no, 90 minute Celendion show. From the mouth. see, no, from one one person's mouth whilst seated. So they're eating with, they're eating

multisers, chocolates. I thought they're just like, they're, they're just so shocked the whole time that their mouth is open. Yeah. And it ends with them brushing their teeth. Wow, beautiful.

Fascinating. It's art house. Art house. Labush. That's beautiful. There's one more person here. Maybe. Thank you so much to Joseph.

Thank you, Joseph. Thank you, Joseph. Thank you, Joseph. Who's our last, our final person? Sorry, that's racist. Connor Muldoon. Oh, thank you Connor. Connor Maldoon.

Maldun. Maldun. Where's Connor from? He's from Furndale in Michigan. Which is Michigan and I knew that. I wasn't going to say Missisbee. Ferndale. It's very confusing with their naming conventions.

There's a lot of M.I. ones. What's his about? Ferndale. Dave? Oh, sorry. Sorry about him. LaBouche. It's called the art teacher.

Oh, I like it. Set in Austria in the 1600s. Yes. Yes, tell me more. He's an art teacher at a university, a lecturer, a professor, some would say. And he changes a lot of lives for the better through art. It's beautiful. Is it a beautiful movie?

And then it gets to the end of the movie and he is being forced to retire because they budget cuts. Agis and then his wife takes him into an auditorium and there's all of his past students and they play a song for him. Like Schindlerless. Like Mr. Holland's Opus.

Great film. So beautiful. Yeah. Roll credits. Thank you. to a single tear rolling down his eye. Which is red. Yeah, yeah.

And everyone's like, are you okay? So thank you to Connor Maloon. Thank you, Connor. And thank you to everyone that supports us at Patreon. It makes a difference to our lives. It does. I found the quote. All right.

It's kind of how I feel about this podcast as well. Well, strap in for this. Oh, boy. At the time, I thought about a special place, a private place, a place where you can be safe. And it's not a room, but it's the room. I thought, and I think that a lot of people would relate to it. So the room is a place where you can go,

you can have a good time, you have a bad time, and a safe place. He's insane. I mean, that's actually one of the nicest things he's ever said. But, I mean... It still doesn't make sense. He never explains that nice feeling. I think people can relate to that, but you don't get that feeling from watching the film.

America is a great place, and football's fun to play with your friends. Next question. It's beautiful. Roll credit. Well, Naomi, thank you so much for taking the time to write their report, come in here and report it back to us. Thank you so much for having me. What a joy.

It's been such a pleasure. It's been a long-term dream of ours to have you on the show. And mine too. And we've all ticked it off our bucket list. Now, where can people find, follow, keep up with what you're doing? When's this pilot coming out? Can we get behind it in any way? Like and subscribe.

Like and subscribe to me. I'm on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. My handle is nomstrosity. Nice. We will link. Yeah, just link it. It's too hard to explain. In the description of this episode of the show notes.

I'm online, baby. And the pilot. What's it called? It's called, Why Are You Like This? Relatable. It's about a place. It's a room, but it's not a room. It's a safe place.

We have a good time. But it's through fresh blood, so it's a pilot. just a pilot, then there's four pilots and one gets made into a series. A one in four chance. That's pretty great. But no, it should be good. I don't know when it's coming out, but it'll be on Ivy and ABC, just the pilot anyway. So, yeah, look out for it.

I'll post. Yeah, you will share that post. Oh, wow, yeah. Okay, that's a big, big promise to make. Yeah, we should have probably discussed that before we go out and run the record. We may share that post. One in three chance, so pretty good. Pretty good odds.

Not bad. I'm feeling good. Right, Jessica got to go to the airport. So like every episode, we end with you. If you want to get in contact, go to do go onpod.com for all the links to our stuff, our social media stuff. And if you want to get in contact, do go on pod at gmail.com. But until next week, we'll say thanks for listening and I'll say goodbye.

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