Two In The Think Tank - 152 - The Football Cult Killer

Episode Date: September 19, 2018

In 1979 Robert Rozier was a talented American footballer with a promising career ahead of him, but things didn't pan out that way - his career was cut short and he ended up getting involved in a cult which lead him down a dark path. Our website: dogoonpod.com Melbourne LIVE show on October 13th : https://www.moshtix.com.au/v2/event/do-go-on-live/105917?&skin=4406&ref=hwlr UK shows : https://dogoonpod.com/events/ Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat  Twitter: @DoGoOnPod Instagram: @DoGoOnPod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/ Email us: [e-mail] Check out our Prime Mates Podcast: https://omny.fm/shows/prime-mates Matt's live shows: mattstewartcomedy.com/gigs REFERNCES AND FURTHER READING:http://dev.realclearsports.com/lists/top_10_football_players_prison_now/robert_rozier.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rozierhttp://www.the13thfloor.tv/2016/12/14/the-football-player-and-the-son-of-god/https://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/23/nyregion/prosecutors-drop-charges-in-1984-cult-murder-case.htmlhttp://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rozier-robert.htmhttps://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1346&dat=19861130&id=tmRNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lPsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6845,7617763http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-29/news/mn-487_1_yahweh-ben-yahwehhttps://www.instagram.com/p/BYotXV-jfXR/?hl=enhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahwehhttps://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/us/09yahweh.htmlhttp://yahwehbenyahweh.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Wann. Here I'm here with Just Perkins and Matt Stewart. How are you? How are you? Did you like that? Obviously those listening at home wouldn't have seen that, but Dave pointed to Jess when he said Just Perkins and pointed to me when he said, no, he does that point and then a like a cross way, like a pan. And we have here. Right. Just in case we weren't sure who you were referring. Also, he does that most times.

Have you really just started looking at Dave? Hi, yeah. My hand really flourishes up to the sky. That's a glow around. Like I'm going to backhand, backhand. I backhand a compliment to you, Matt. Right. A backhand.

Give me a backhand compliment. I love how you dress like you Matt. Right. A bad cat. Give me a backhanded compliment. I love how you dress like you don't care. That's one of the old time great backhanders. Are you nagging me? It's just like you're so effortlessly casual. I love, yeah, I wish I could just get up and go out. Yeah, that's good. Even a shit beard looks good on you.

Yeah. Well, yeah, that's confusing. Confusing, I'm just get up and go out. That's good. Even a shit beard looks good on you. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's confusing. Confusing, I'm just- I wish I had your confidence. I don't know. I could never leave the house looking like I hadn't bathed. Wow. I couldn't do it.

I could never leave the house with your personality. Oh, see. And that's brave. Yeah, that's just, that's just, I think that's just a forehanded insult. Insult. It's all right. Now, let me serve you up. Here we go. That's just a four handed insult. Now let me serve you up. Here we go.

A volley of shame. You don't serve volleys. You serve and volleys. All right. Mixing your tennis metaphors. This is a two hander. It's an approach shop after a serve. Then a volley and then a celebration.

Nice face mate Wow, wow, thank you. That was the approach shot was nice nice face. Yep. Yep. The volley was mate Right, and then I turned to the crowd they went wild He said come on Yeah, wow, do you feel the power in that? Yeah, I felt a power in that, whatever that means. I don't get this linger, the kids. But, what out? Can you be a kid?

Was that a backhand compliment? Do you have any business to get through before I get cracking with this fantastic report? I have a business, a proposition for you. Oh! I have invented a new kind of microwave. It's very little and it only works for two minute noodles. Are you in? Yes. How much do you want? I've got a checkbook. It's a Microwave. Microwave. I'm thinking we got a clue at the Microwave

Wave. Oh, what's the second wave? I don't know, just it's fun. Yeah. I want it to be whimsical. Maybe it's waterproof, can I have it in a wave pool? Microwave, wave. Yeah. That, what about it's wave activated? You wave at it and it starts. Oh, fuck that is. So you don't get any of the radiation. You don't have to be near it.

You wave. Right. And that's cute too, because it's like a little animation because of the screen wave effect. With the smiley. So it's for lonely people. That could change, you know, medical technology as well. Just waving it. Yeah, just waving it a different way to. Hello, oh, jumpstart him. I should do it.

So I do have some business though. Oh yeah, no. Oh, business. If you are in Melbourne on October the 13th, oh, spooky kind of. We are doing your shot at a the 13th, oh spooky kind of, we are doing your show. Saturday the 13th. Oh, we are doing our live show, our Bon Voyage show before we go to the UK, at Howler in Brunswick. So a lot of tickets, few left, you want to get involved, we've got the ticket link in the description of this episode,

or do go on pod.com for all tickets to all podcasts. And if you like Howler, I run a comedy night there every month, first Wednesday of the month, there's free night. So come see. It's so good. Comedy. It's great. HALA is awesome. The comedians are awesome. It's going to be, it's a great venue. We're really looking forward to it.

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Is that all? Also, we have to talk about our blockbuster tober. Right, that was, I knew there was something I was meant to mention and I could not remember. Thanks for the reminder. Blockbuster Tofer Grace is what I'm starting to call it, around. You still don't love that one. Oh, you still don't love that one,

after all these years. It's an idea I had where we're gonna do all October. Every topic is gonna be a banger, right? And the way we've done that is, we put out a survey. Put out a survey. And that's netcl. And we've got a lot of responses. I feel feels, feels real good to be responded to like that. I'm so used to sitting here and getting nothing. But the listeners, they really got back to me. Yeah, that's right, Jess.

Oh, she's blocking me now. I get it. And so I'm gonna take those and we're gonna put them to the patrons, one by one and figure out what topics we're gonna do for blockbuster Tofe of Grace. Month. Month. And yeah, cause now I've entirely lost October now. Yeah, you have to somehow include. You put in Tofe of Grace instead of...

Yeah, that's just from Tober from Mocta. All right. Let's just call it blocko tober. Maybe it should be block Toby McGuire Block. Oh Toby McGuire block tober McGuire. Oh, yeah, that was a month right It's got the B he's adding a pH wasn't ever for was it an F? I don't know you get a pH reading on this one

The neighbor Anyway, so if you if you want to get involved in that and you're on Patreon, you'll look out for those coming up and it's gonna be sick and we're gonna finish the month with our most requested ever topic. Toe for Grace, the life and times of.

Reported by Toe for Grace himself. What? We're looking up a satellite link. We're gonna get him. That'd be so good. Haven't asked him yet. When we're in Sydney, Dave and I went and link. We're gonna get him. That'd be so good. Haven't asked him yet. When we were in Sydney, Dave and I went and saw

Tofe Grace movie together. That's right, Black Clansman, and he was playing a racist almost too well. What? Very believable Tofe. What are you implying? Are you acting anymore, Tofe? Are you guys just saying he's a good actor?

Yes, definitely. He's a great actor. Absolutely. He did great. He did grace. Tofe Grace. It was. It was always doing Tofe Grace. It's a great actor. He did great. He did grace. Tifa Christ. It was. It was.

It was always doing Tifa grace. It's a really good movie. Anyhow, the way this show goes is Ed. A one, two. Boom, boom, boom. We get given a topic by listeners, often voted for by the Patreons, and that's what happened this week.

One of us will do a report on that topic, which is me this week, we get on a topic by asking a question. And the other two are going in blind, and just and I don't know what this is. That's right. Otherwise, this question would be a little pointless, which I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get this one. How do you have so little faith in us, David? Let us get to this question.

I mean, we will not stop. No clues. Don't even ask the question. Let's just guess. Yeah. It's a sport question, and I didn't know it. And I... Tiger Woods.

No, it's his dad. Greg Norman. The question is, which pass NFL player could be referred to as the football cult killer? Oh. Oh, Jess Hemson. No. Oh. I hadn't heard of this guy.

So I'll give you one guest, Jess, and then I'll move it along. Come on, Jess. Can you name a footballer? I mean, I've said mine. Oh, I mean, Killer, slash footballer. Of which there are dozens. Yeah, there's more than I realize.

Is there actually lots? There are. Yeah, there's websites dedicated to. Oh, that's sad. What a weird niche. I don't have, I don't have one. Robert Rosio. Oh, Robert Rosio. I don't think anyone's called him the football cult killer, but did you, is that a little bit of your spin? Yeah, well, he was a footballer who joined a cult and was a killer. See, I don't know. I'm sorry to show you the workings out there, but that's how I came to the... Also, a lot of spoiler right at the top there.

Oh no. No, I call that sizzle. Sorry, he played some sort of sport. Oh, but what? And then he joined a cult and was a killer. Let's talk about the sport. What sport did he play? Okay, well here is my topic.

This one was suggested by Sibba, who's real name, Dave can pronounce. Oh, Ciburg. Yes. From Iceland. Yes. Ciburg, I believe. Is it Ciburg? Oh, Ciburg. Ciburg. Beaburg. So sorry. This happens every time. I think she has told us before that you can call her Sibba. Yes. Great. So's, which is, so thanks so much for listening in Iceland. And suggesting a topic that I've never heard of. No, this is cool. Let's do it. Yeah, I know of this either.

And it, but it's, it's, it's, it's pretty full on. Obviously, it's a, about a, a killer. So, um, anyhow, Robert Rosie was born on the 28th of July, 1955, in Anchorage, 55. Oh, 55. Good year. 55, yes. From there, he went... When was he born in Alaska? Yes.

That's the end of the Alaska section of the show. Why did you react to that? I just thought it would maybe put people in here and it's just... Oh, I'm sorry. I mean, just don't associate the They're being great for NFL training. Well, that's why he moved to California to attend high school in Sacramento before studying at the University of California, Berkeley.

I didn't realize that. I thought Berkeley was the name of the unit, but it's University of California, Berkeley. Oh, can you just see Berkeley written on it? Yeah, sure. I think maybe that's just the campus of the universe. Anyway, it doesn't matter. There he played for the college football team as a defensive end.

He was pretty handy, apparently, a pretty impressive player. Obviously impressive enough to be selected in the 1979 NFL draft by the St. Louis Cardinals. Right, so 24 when he's being selected. Would that be considered a late bloomer for this type of life? I'm not, I'm not an American sport expert, but I'm pretty sure they, they definitely more serious about their college years. And I think some probably jump straight into professional level and others will play through the colleges and then put themselves up for the draft, but I'm,

I'm not 100% sure about that. I know college football is huge though. Yeah. Basketball is the same. I think some players will hang back and play out their colleges before trying to join the NBA and others will jump in sooner. So I'm not 100% sure on that, but I think it's probably pretty normal. He didn't last very long though before being cut, or I also read a quid he quid.

But I'm more, seem to say, he was cut. But then some said he quid, which is interesting. He then moved on to the Canadian football league in 1980, playing for the Hamilton Tiger Cats. Tiger Cat. Okay. I like that. Yeah. I wonder if that was from emerging of two previous teams, the Tigers on the Cats, because it feels like... You think you just make up a new one, but they're like, no, no, Tiger Cats. I like Tiger Cats, because you know my favorite American baseball team, the Royal Cats, from Gary, South Shore.

They... I've tried to figure out what a Royalcat is. I assume it's a cat that lives on the track. Did you go Google it at all? Yeah. Okay. All that came up was the Gary South Shore railcats. Right. I think that, yeah, I think they might be the only ones. But how good is this team name? Is this other team you played for in the Canadian League? Was the Cess Quatch? The Cess Catch word. I've heard this word said so many times. The Cess, and can you help me out if I fail this one more time? Cess catch one.

Cess catch one? Cess catch one's great. I've heard it, but I've never tried to read it. If I didn't look at it, I would have been over to say it, I reckon. Cess catch one. Cess catch one. Fuck.

Cess catch one. Rough ridergan. Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan. Fuck. Saskatchewan. Roughrider's. Oh. Roughrider. That sounds like a sex move. Oh, I remember a brand of condom called that, that we laughed at a lot in high school. Roughrider.

Roughrider. Right. What does that mean? Ribbed? Ribbed. I'm gonna see you say. Both sides ribbed. Thank, thank you. Oh, it's uncomfortable. But it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable for everyone. It's like he

Oh, that is rough Following that he was briefly signed up with the Oakland Raiders So he I think this is pretty common in American football as well Plays will make lists and they have pretty long rosters and then they'll they'll get cut and move on and they'll jump around different squads So is that is that back in the NFL? Back in the NFL. But I don't think he ever ended up playing for them. And obviously none of them lasted very long because that was all within a couple of years.

From what I could gather, he wasn't focused enough on football to make a success of it. And some sources suggested he may have been getting caught up in drugs and petty crimes as well. I mean, sad to think that you get caught up in petty crimes. Mate, if you focus on the football, surely you'll make more money doing that. Yeah, that's interesting. But some people aren't really long-term thinkers. Yeah, I want 20 bucks now, not 20 million tomorrow. Exactly.

Yeah, I think. Some way I said that he, while he was playing in Canada, he was racking up some bad check debt, which is interesting. It's what a time where you could just ride on a piece of paper. People, I'll trust that. I assume this account has money in it. It's a funny time. So that was the end of his professional football career

within a couple of years. The other key figure in this story is a man named Hulan Mitchell, Jr. In Kigman Fischer, Oklahoma on 27th October 1935, I grew up here. Mitchell was born into a Christian family. His father was a Reverend and his mother played piano with the Church of God in Christ, in Inid, Oklahoma. Inid. Inid.

Oh, that's good. He was the eldest of 15 children. Too many! What? Do they know what was causing it? Do they? Do they? Do they? Probably not buying rough riders.

Yeah, yeah, rough riders. Yeah, me and a couple of rough riders. Or was it because the rough riders had so much ribbing that they created friction and they didn't work. They didn't work. Or is rough riding. Rough riding, yeah, I thought rough riding was, it's interesting that rough riding is the name of a connoberer.

Because that feels like that. That's what that was the lack of... Sans condom. Condom. Condom. Condominium. Short for condominium. Wow. They would do a lot of rough writing.

So it's same parents, just one couple. 15 kids. Looking at 15. I... Oh, no. Apparently there's that... Well, this is what I've heard. Is that there's a chemical in women's brains that kind of makes us forget how painful labor was.

Right. So that's why you're then an able and willing to go back and have more children. But surely by 15, you remember the trauma. Maybe you remember that 15, so that's why they cut her off there. Yeah, you're right. It's also like to have 15 kids, like you're assuming there's some small gaps in between.

That's a long period of your life. That's probably 20 years. Yeah, this guy you're talking about, was it Mitchell's probably 25 years older than his youngest brother or sister? Most people wouldn't have a career, you know, that lasts as long as her career in being a pregnant person. Yeah, no. No, my dad is one of 14. Yeah, I would have mentioned that too many times.

That's true. And same mother for all 14. Same mother for all 14. Someone once figured out, hang on, I'm trying to figure it out. Might be 13. That kind of number that I don't even know exactly how many. He's also had foster kids and stuff. So they also had foster kids. Yeah. So they also had foster kids.

Yeah. So having was a house. They included in that 14. No, I think that was outside of that. Oh my god. Maybe it was 13 and foster kids. I think we figured out that my grandma was pregnant for something like seven years of her life would just under.

So she had eight kids? Nine. Damn it. It's real simple maths. Nine? Did you nine yet? Anyway. I feel like sorry. No, it's a non-yeah. Anyway. I'm sorry, but too long.

Who long Mitchell Jr., so is eldest of 15, according to The New York Times, Mitchell attended segregated public schools before serving in the Air Force and earning a psychology degree in Oklahoma, where he was regarded as brilliant by some teachers. The Times also said that he worked with civil rights groups in organizing sit-ins in Oklahoma, but grew disillusioned and called the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King that dead dog preacher. I don't really know what that means, but it doesn't sound positive. It doesn't sound like a nice thing to say about the moment.

Start it out on the same side, but then he turned again. Well, yeah, I guess he obviously disagreed with how he was going about it, or I'm not, yeah, not sure. Because he ended up, yeah, look, I think if you're putting these two side by side, you'd probably go with almost 100% revered Dr. Martin Luther King. Yeah, we're going to try. All right. All right.

Or is that just like the eight, anyway, I've never, ever heard anyone say anything about Dr. Martin Luther King, I don't think until that. Yeah, yeah, I could. But I guess at the time, at the time, yes. There would have been, yes. Absolutely, but not so much now, yeah, you're right. But this was, I mean, he was quite a quite a while at that was it there when there were peers, I guess, on some level. The article also mentioned that he studied law, though he didn't

complete his degree and also earned a master's degree in economics from Atlanta University. So as well as being impressive in his studies, he was also described as charismatic quite a lot. Just doing the losers line. He says like a big old nerd. It's good to master some economics. I studied law. Great.

Sounds like my kind of guy. Just go bowling or something. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think I do. Yeah, but can you bowl? Can you? Can you get a strike?

You got a few pieces of paper, but can you knock down some pins? Can you? Didn't think so. Can we borrow those pieces of paper, flip them over and write down the score. Yeah. And you got zero. Yeah. Look at that.

Got a ball. That's why we call you got a ball. See? I'm scrolling up to remember his name. It's a whole long. Because he changes his name soon. Got a ball Mitchell. That's why we call you Got a Ball Mitchell.

So you've got book skills, sure, but I've got life skills. But that's don't impress me much. And those words were written down and then read by a young scholar by the name of Shania Twain, who then used them as inspiration for her hit. Daughter of Mark Twain, I assume. You assume correctly, yes.

I was trying to think of another one of her songs. Man, I feel like a woman. Yeah, I was going to be like, you know, I was going to do one of those classic switcheroo's and I fucked it. So anyway, I do go on. What a man, really good. I'll fix it in the edit.

Thank you. By 1979, whenia was starting out on his short lived professional football career Mitchell had moved to Florida and was founding a new religious movement called the Nation of Yahweh which set up its headquarters in Florida. The Nation of Yahweh. Yes. How do you spell Yahweh? Why a H-W-E-H? They spell it in Hebrew or... Right. So even on their website,

the nation of Yahweh's website, it's everything else is in English apart from, because I believe Yahweh, I don't think it's really known how it's meant to be pronounced. I think it was seen as it was like one of those, it was such a sacred word that I read this very briefly. So this may be not true, but like going back centuries and centuries, they stopped the Israelites,

stopped saying the name. So no one really knows how it's meant to be pronounced. Like all the more in a couple of centuries time. But if you're like, how do you say that? Say, Yahweh, I say that right. Hey, bodhisattva's Nemesis, Yahweh. Yeah, I assume. The nation of Yahweh has been described

as the most controversial off-shoot of the Black Hebrew Israelites religious movement. Most controversial? Yes. Okay, well, controversy isn't always bad. So, Okay. So... Okay. Alright, so far this is a story.

It's just an academic who started a religious thing. That's alright. Mitchell preached that the prophets in the Bible were black and that white people, particularly Jewish people, were infidels. Mitchell also preached that he was the son of God as any good cult leader does. Obviously, I'm the son of God. Am I the son of God or I could speak directly to him? Yeah. So it's a Hebrew religion, but he's anti-Jewish people. Yes. So I think he's saying that black people were the actual Israelites.

Right. And somehow have been pushed out and sort of history's been manipulated. So I guess that's why he's anti-Jewish people. Right, they're the fake. Yeah, they're the influencers. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah.

And he's the son of God, good. Yep. And he also changes the name, obviously, as you should. To Yahweh, Ben, Yahweh. Yahweh, Ben, Yahweh. Where's your Ben come from? Apparently it translates to the Lord's Son of the Lord. The Lord's Son of Ben, the Lord.

I'm get, yeah, Ben. So Yahweh is the Lord, I think. So I'm guessing Ben is Son of? Kind of like in a time where it's like duh. So Yahweh is the Lord, I think. So I'm guessing Ben is son of. Son of? Kind of like in a time where it's like duh. Is that what like Ben Kenobi is son of Kenobi? But I mean he's Ben. He's his own son.

Oh my god. Yeah, it's confusing. But also beautiful. Yeah. Yahweh, Ben Yahweh. It really rolls off the tongue. I like the sound of it. Well great, because I'm going to say it a lot.

On Yahweh, Ben Yahweh.com, it says, Yahweh, Ben Yahweh is bringing about changes in the lives of individuals and is giving the world the keys to success in life politically, economically, educationally, socially, and spiritually. What else is there? Financial economically. Damn it! Yeah, they're really? What about food? Yeah, dietarily.

Right. Thank you, I was like, hungrily. Well, you're gonna have to look elsewhere for answers. Yeah, for food, huh? So yeah, they, they're... Artistically? Yeah, what about artistically?

No, you're gonna have to look for a different food. What about psychologically? Mm. Does that one of them? Hmm, speared. No, I don't think you could probably squeeze that in across the board. True. Sexually? Yeah, sexually. Is that in there? Doesn't mention it. I mean, any rough riders?

Every weird cult. Socially, I mean... Every weird cult's gonna go there, that wasn't it. Probably. I haven't gone into that at all. Did, did, yeah. They go hand in hand, don't they? Cult's an orgies. Hand, hand in other things.

Ha ha ha ha. Hand in hand in. They go hand in butt, don't they? They go hand in butt. Hand in butt. Hand in butt and hand. Circle of life is complete. Circle of life is complete.

I'm so sorry. Don't you bring Elton into this? Is that Alton? Yeah. So sing along. You. After Rosie's football career came to an end, he traveled around the country. It's back to Rosie now. Searching for meaning, I suppose, and in the year of our Lord 1981 he found the nation of Yahweh in Miami. Followers of the sect had to wear all white, flowing white and I'd wear turbns as well. Love that, yes. And take the surname Israel. So they all had to take the same surname. That's confusing, then you wouldn't remember who's your sibling and who isn't. Yeah. Who's butt, can I put my hand in it?

I mean, I imagine he already has that trouble with 14 siblings. Yeah, he would ride it. There's a different guy, this is Rosie and now. That was, oh yeah. Rosie is the one. But Yahweh been Yahweh still in his own cult like. But he's also got a different name there.

He just calls everyone, Israel except for himself. Yeah, that's why. Man, he's just bad remembering names. If you're in charge of a cult, I reckon some of the rules you have are just to fix things you're gonna have trouble with. I've got a bird memory. All right, everyone's called the same name.

Well, just call them all like brother and sister. You know, like, he probably just calls them, oh, hello, Israel Sun. Yes. Everyone. Israel Sun, great silver chair song. Is that what you're referring to? Yes. Maybe they're best tune. Wow,

controversial. Really? I don't know. I think... You okay? You cough? Sorry. I had a little something in my throat. Oh. It was...scorn for your opinions. What do you think Silver J has best song is? I was just big silly. Clearly straight lines. Maybe the door with such a bad song. Straight lines is a good song, one song of the year in Australia or something. Yeah. I think that is a rock solid pop song. I mean, I'll fight you.

It's great to play on like a Toyota Rad or something. You don't listen to it in your spare time. Well something. You don't listen to it in your spare time. Well, I'm not saying listen to it in your spare time. But I am saying put it in your Toyota ad. That's great. While you're driving down the Great Ocean Road. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, big time.

And you're towing something? Driving in a straight line. But they reride it. That's how much of money they spend on them. Yeah. He's called Israel now. Oh, yes. So he's changed his name now to Nariah, Israel.

You get to pick a first name. That means something like child of God. Nariah. Nariah. It's quite pretty. And do you get the feeling that he went straight into this? So there's a bit of courting process where he sort of dabbled in it a bit.

I think it feels like he was maybe searching for something. I think he was just walking past one day. Hey, do you want to change your name to Israel? Why not? I'm in this. Wanna wear what? Sure. They did that thing where they're like,

if you joined today, no joining fee. Yeah. That's how I joined the gym. That's how they got me too. Yeah, I think I imagine he was searching for something, meaning or whatever, and that helps. But yeah, they must have been sometime. But also, as often cult leaders at a scribe, than meaning or whatever and that helps, but yeah, they must have been some time, but

also as often cult leaders of the scru I'm described as Yahweh Ben Yahweh, who was described as charismatic, so maybe you just went a little wink. Matt, would you, and I'm not, I'm not fishing here, I want a genuine answer, I'm not charismatic. Certainly not. Okay, thank God. So thank God. I never want to start a cult. It's, I feel like it's a lot of admin. Yeah. And a lot of like, it'd be worse than being a

teacher where like kids are just coming out. You feel they're dumb kid problems. No. Now you've got dumb adult problems and they're all just winging at you and you're like, oh my god, sort of out. I think the hardest thing is the dumb questions. You have to keep a lot of balls in the air. They ask you a question. You're like, when's the rapture coming? Oh, next week, but you said last week. Nana, I said week after next week's next week. You're gonna do a lot of lying. Yeah, too much air for it. I'm too honest.

You are too honest. Too honest. Oh, sorry, too honest. And apparently not charismatic. Wow, and you didn't even hesitate with that answer. Dave, do you think I'm character? No. Wow, and you wouldn't even hesitate with that answer Dave. Do you think I'm okay? No, wow Okay, absolutely I wouldn't join your cult all right Well, that's a relief to be honest

Well, that's sort of contradicting sounds there. Yeah, I that's a relief. I don't know how to feel My best friends think I lack charisma. But you make up for that with a bit of hootspa. Hootspa. You got that in you got hootspa you got drugs. You got I don't know like a certain how do you say? Oh sure not Jewish what does that word? Genesecua. Ah. Correct. That's what I was reading before. Ball. Yes. Trayball. Trayball. Oh, we.

Trayball on. As the group grew, so did their empire. That old cults. Oh, yeah. That is an amazing. That's great sentence. Yes. So did their empire.

I mean, what are they getting like castles? This is from the New York Times. They had a huge temple, basically like a religious castle. A four-story apartment building. Why do they fund this? In, oh, so not Florida. Florida, Miami, yeah. Restaurants, stores, houses, and a hotel in Miami, and a hotel and restaurant in Atlanta,

as well as hundreds of white cars, vans, buses, and 18-wheeler trucks. How do they fund all this? I think they get people to go sell cheap their own property. Oh, we own all that stuff now. I assume that's what's happening. Wow. And I also just, people come in and just give them everything. Do you have any idea how many members they've got? I think I've got hundreds of cars.

Well, around this time, they had about 300 in that area, but it's spreading across the country as well. Wow. In 2001, the Miami Herald reported that the Empire's value at its peak was potentially somewhere around $100 million. Whoa. Wow. That's huge.

But then they talk it up slightly more on their own website, yawaybenyaway.com. And I didn't think about this, but I'm definitely on a list now that I've multiple times gone back to this website. It's real. It looks like it was designed at the time in 1979. It is old school internet.

Anyway, I mean, they designed it before the internet. Yeah, incredible. Yeah, in a way, I guess if you look at it from that perspective, that is pretty incredible. And one of the rich, they created the internet. They're pretty internet. So this is directly from the website. In 1979, Yahweh, Ben Yahweh, came to Miami

and became the spiritual leader and founder of the Nation of Yahweh. Although he took a vow of poverty in 70s, he guarded the nation to a mass of $250 million empire. Under his direction, the Nation of Yahweh has grown to encompass disciples, followers and supporters in over 1300 cities within the US and 16 foreign countries. Isn't that I found that interesting that they mentioned both his

vow of poverty and all the wealthies Yeah, he also has six for our rings But he doesn't even like he doesn't even drive him. He's so humble. He doesn't six for aries. But he doesn't even drive them. He's so humble. He doesn't even have a license. Wow. But I guess, and I was like, what a weird thing to be bragging about.

But then when you start uncovering some of the accusations and stuff that's gone on there, you're like, oh yeah, I'd definitely try to distract people with the shiny things we have as well. Five years after Rosia joined the religion, authorities estimated that there were 300 active cult members in the Miami area. Around that time, in November 1986,

Rosia was arrested on multiple murder charges associated with the deaths of Rudolph Brucade and Anthony Brown. On the arrest report, Rosia apparently listed his age as 404 years. That is so annoying. But then he wrote, young. Rosia, Cecilia, you're 400 years young.

Yes, young. If you're one of those old people who does that, I love it. Fuck you. No, really, I love it. Once you get old and you have any. 75 years young. No. Really? If you're old, like, and still haven't a bit of fun,

I'm all about it. Is that fun for you? Is that the type of fun we can expect from you? Well, I'd like to say that expectations drop the older you get, the lower the bar is. It's like a one-o-big corporation does a tweet, like it doesn't have to be as wacky for it to seem fun, you know? Yeah, okay, sure.

The Victorian police force has put out a fake warrant or something, you know? Oh, that's a bit cute. For like a sport mascot. That's a bit of fun, isn't it? Yeah, for robbing the pies last night. Yeah. Those sort of things, it's like they did. Yeah, okay. So you'll say.

Well, like the famous one that I've heard a few people talk about is the easiest crowd in the world is a tennis audience. Oh, yes. It'll be like, Jacović will come out with, and he'll swap the racket with the ball boy and go Maybe you have a hit and try and be better and the crowd will just be falling out of their chair laughing

They're like this is the best day ever Tennis crowds. They are the best. So you're saying that because I'm 28 years young. Yeah, this standards are my bar is too high Yeah, okay, right, but that's gonna lower as I get older. Yeah, there's a graph that we could show you. And here it is. So he's 404 years young. It's also wedding speeches.

That's another nice little bar. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you like getting me in there. I'm excited for that because I am a maid of honor to wedding coming up. And they asked me to obviously make a speech and also just do like a little bit of M seeing for the other speeches and I'm like this is great, this is my crowd. Yeah.

I literally do stand up all the time, but these people don't know. Literally you do it all the time. All the time, I'm doing it right now. Never, never. Never. Please help me switch off. Old people can be funny though. And with that even meaning to, for example,

yesterday I saw my 92 year old grandma. 92 years young. And she was recalling a time where when she was 17, she went to a party, like a university party, and someone had spiked the punch, which she didn't know. And that she got a little bit merry. That's why your mum was born. No, she said.

And then someone found out and another boy drove me home and she kept referring to me for that little nerd. And it was so funny. That is funny. 19-2 got. Didn't even mean to be funny. That little nerd drove me home.

Well, it's so funny that she could refer to someone as that little nerd. And it wasn't you. No, my ears picked up. I'm like, sorry, there's only that. I wasn't around back there. Nana, who are you talking about? Oh, not me. Great.

Karen, you're all right. Let's all laugh at the nerd in that case. I'm so in that little nerd. That little nerds. Such anger too. And it sounds like all he did was a favor for her. She was such anger too. And it sounds like all he did was a favor for her. Yeah, try to have her.

She might have been, I think she said, overly refreshed. Shit face. Oh, really? That's the difference. Like, we would tell our grandkids stories like, and I was hemmed. Now, we wouldn't be responsible. Thank you. So he was four, he put his name in

a full annoying, just say 400. I guess he probably, yeah, I wonder. I mean, I'm not going to say I'm 20 because that's wrong because he out, he's out of a weird amount of years to his age. So that's in 86. So he's saying it was born in 1582 instead of 1955. Like you just, surely you just add 400 years to your age or something. Sorry Matt, but I'm gonna have to put you up on the maths third. Damn it. Please do. It's 1544, is that right?

1542 I mean. Sure, I, I took, what I did was took 404 off 1986, which was, I can't even understand what I'm talking about. It's hurting my brain, I want to move on. I want you to move on too, because it's also hurting my brain. But I agree with whatever Dave said. Me too.

Bruce Arden Brown, I was good at maths in school, but that was centuries ago. Maths has changed. That's been 42, I believe. Maths has changed since then, it's different now. Yeah, I went to school with theetherium. Pythagoras. Pythagoras. Theetherium, it's different now. Yeah, I went to school with the theorem. Pythagoras. Pythagoras. The theorem is not even the theorem.

The theorem. A little dear. Bruce Arden Brown had strongly, so the two victims, Bruce Arden Brown had strongly resisted efforts of the nation of Yahweh to take over their apartment complex. So that's why they ended up being taken out. Jesus. According to Michael Newton writing in an encyclopedia of modern serial killers, detectives reported that Rosia's fingerprints had also been found at the scene of two random murders where transients

were killed. Their ears slashed off. Ew. Rosia was sentenced to 22 years, but was offered a deal. If he would testify against Yahweh, Ben Yahweh, they would reduce his sentence, and he took this deal. And his testimony was explosive. Oh, wow! So there was within the cult, there was a small group of guys known as the Death Angels. The Death Angels.

And Rose. Great middle band Yes, sick I just did the mass on that thing too. I was wrong damn it We're both taking 444. I can't remember what you said now, but I was taking a 444, 404. So I'm so embarrassed. So you're both dickheads. Just be more like me and don't even try. You're supposed to be back to the tape,

Matt may have been right. My brain is throbbing right now. You know, bad way. Rough riding on the brain. No. But I just thought, I had to say that just to stop the army of tweets that were going to be like, Dave, you were so smart. Again, I've already tweeted.

I know. Well, delete that fucking tweet. Yeah, retract that. Thank you. Death angels. I retracted mine. You retract yours. Go on, Tim.

Look at it, you. As a death angel for Yahweh, Ben Yahweh, Rosie had told the jury that they did everything from driving a bus to killing someone if necessary. Similar task, yes. Well, he's listing the spectrum there. No, I do love our occupation. Death angel. Slash?

Bus driver. Slash assassin. It is a big spectrum. No, I understand. No, but when do you go, what's the next one along from bust driving? I don't know, like picking up treats. Pick up treats.

Somebody's gonna do the grocery. So picking up treats is slightly closer to killing than driving a bus. Wow, good point. Picking up poison treats. Point, there we go, much closer to death. So from driving a bus to killing someone if necessary, beating, hanging, burning, stoning, decapitation.

Fuck. That also was escrowlating there. Yeah. But still, bus driver is level one. Yeah. Beating's not very nice. You could live through that. Did you know that the bus drivers are on a slippery slope.

They're right up the top, but every time you see a bus driver from now on, just know they're on a spectrum. And that spectrum ends in decapitation. You know that little wave they do to each other? That's sinister. Yeah, that's a threat. What about other modes of transport say,

I don't know, a tram. Oh, what? He's talking about nice. Yeah, who we lead into this studio very often. I reckon he's involved. He started as a bus driver. Oh dear. The scale has really...

So, trams one after buying poison candy? Yeah, that's right. By poison candy, you drive a tram and then next is beatings. Then I go straight from tram to beatings. Yeah, that's his next promotion. He drives the tram route that is now my local tram route at my house. It's also my local tram route goes past my house. Oh my God, he's doing this on purpose.

Yeah, he's, he's, every day is done a drive by. He's looking at me sinisterly. Yeah, so they're home. Yes. Hmm, interesting. He's tracking our movements. Once he saw me taking out the bins. He did not hang on now He knows what night bin night is

What is it bomb night? Oh, it's gonna put a bomb in my bin. What night's bin night for you? Well, it goes out on a Monday night Pick that one and choose that one. I'm not putting it out on it. Then what happens on a Wednesday That was take the bin for a drink on Wednesday. Thursday Friday Saturday, chill on Sunday, the bin cycle starts again. Chili bin. Chili bin just for our Kiwi listeners. You're welcome. A bit of fun there.

It means Eski. They're both weird words. Well, Eski doesn't make... I don't think Eski travels outside. What do they call it in America? A cooler. Cooler. Oh, that is cooler. Probably makes them my sense out of them all. And obviously the British don't require them.

Let's put it out. I'll put it on your window ledge. I'll be icy cold. You fucking cold idiots. I'll put it in the fridge to warm it up. No, but thanks for buying tickets for our upcoming show. Can't wait to come on over. It's gonna be so fun. I love the camon over? We're gonna be so funny.

I love the cold over there. We can't be able to drink a brew cold month. Yeah, yay. I love it. Rosie is testimony led to, I'm a sort of calling him YBY from here on, but that's not even the name. Oh, I love that though.

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Pretty close. I don't go into the full graphic details like Jess and Dave, sorry, for those bloodthirsty listening. But is that person die? Yes. Oh. Uh, still I'm not dead. Why, I assume so. Oh, I'm sorry. I mean, I read a lot of these articles with my eyes closed.

So yeah, charges of the 40 meters, the teptipahedding, one form of disciple, also the fireballming of a black neighborhood in Delray Beach, according to the LA Times, who reported on it, at the time of the trial. Before the trial kicked off, YBY called a Washington television talk show and described Rosia as a serial killer who led a small group of rogue murderers who acted on their own. So there's nothing to do with him. Wow, sounds about right. Before YBWI was arrested in November 1990. A very good year. He was seen as a community role model. The best year that has ever happened and will ever happen. Really? Yep, it's all downhill from here because 1990 was the peak. Dave Murat. The best. Peace. Isn't that unfortunate for you too? Because you miss most of it. Yeah, it's true.

And also, you know, I mean, you were shitting your pants for the rest of the... And that was the peak. I only got like four months of it, but they were good. At that time, I was a dancer in Vegas. I was like, glorious in Vegas. What kind of dancing?

Tap. Yep. I can see that. Hand tap. Hand tap. Yeah, upside down or you. Upside down. That is awesome. Yeah.

So you're doing your hands stand the whole time. Yeah. You're going to choose on your feet? On your hands, sorry. And my feet. Yeah, obviously. Is there a me? I've got a bit of a like an animal.

Separate tap or an each finger? A tap. A tap, a tap. A tap. Dave. Of course. Oh, good. Sorry. I haven't seen a tap show on each finger. A tap, a tap, a taper. Dave, of course. Oh, good, sorry. I haven't seen a tap show for a while. Yeah, okay.

A couple of months now. We're not, I mean, this podcast could do go on not hand tap basics 101. Yeah, this is the basics 101. That's the introduction to basics. This podcast isn't called Stupid Questions 101. Yeah, but that was the original title.

That would probably be appropriate. Not as catchy. So before he was arrested, he was seen as a community role model, which is why he was. Before, he was even credited with being instrumental in driving drug dealers from some inner city neighborhoods. He was also a member. Like giving them a lift in these buses.

Let me drive you to the next neighborhood. Like giving them a lift in these buses. Let me drive you to the next neighborhood. And you can sell some drugs there. They've got heaps of cash. Come here. He was a member of the Chamber of Commerce. And that's pretty good. And around a month before his arrest,

the mayor of Miami even named a day in his honor. A month. Around a month before his last visit. That is bad PR timing, isn't it? Ooh. Hey, let's just get a photo of this come on page, let's do it. It's like classic sort of heading.

I love the handshake pose, it's my favorite. I love doing it when there's no cameras around. Well, you ain't look at, anyway, little bit I do. Keep your eyes out for it. Gosh, you're fun. Bit of a day to day bit. Fuck. A month beforehand, just a casual bit. I think it's fun to have day to day bits.

I mean, but seriously though, their PR team, they've just had a member of this man's church arrested for murder and then they've said, the leader said, no, no, he's just an assassin that's got their own team that's gone rogue. I'm still good and they've gone look Let's still name it after him. I did well. I knew a bit sus just in case wait wait to see how this plays out Yeah, it was very tight on it. Yeah, but I don't know if that I Mean we've already printed the new calendars November I mean

We got it we got to hand out these calendars. The prosecution's case stated he did not deserve to be revered. Obviously, he would be weird for the prosecution to be like, he seems great. He does seem great. I'm so sorry to have to bring you down sir, but he also did some bad things. And we all make mistakes. Anyway, happy, wipey day. The LA Times reported that he was accused of teaching that black people were the true

Jews living in the land of the White Devils. Sorry, but true Jews is fun to say. True Jews. Yeah. He also reported that he allegedly demanded retribution for insults or historical injustice in the form of murder, often insisting that his death angels bring back fingers, ears or the heads of victims as proof of their deeds, which explains the missing ear for that. Probably shit about us this earlier, but is this cast still alive?

And are we as one white devils and two white devils making fun of this guy at risk by putting this podcast out? Oh, do you? No, he's dead. Right, good. Otherwise Miami would be struck from the US tour forever. Sorry, Miami.

Sorry guys, it's not you, it's him. Yeah. We're scared of him. Yeah, isn't that his... Also, is he recognizing their specific ear? You bring about that in the ear and it's like, it's Mary Jane. Yep, she said some shit about me, but I'm gonna ear.

And does he take the ear off you? So, let's say you cut off one ear and then after that, you don't murder people and you're just like, here's the ear of the next person I murdered. No, three months old. Yeah. You get a taxi to her mead Stuff dear sounds like a delicacy Also does it really prove you've killed someone no just proves they've got an hour

You've got to bring them their heart or something But again, you could get a shapes heart from a butcher. Yeah, I know. One of his degrees was human anatomy. That made me. Damn it, he's good. I assume. He buddy studied a lot. Good. So yeah, you would have noticed me mentioned before that one of Rosie's victims was missing

in a year, and that is why. All right, so he killed him. Took the year. Yeah. I read somewhere that he, one of the random white killings He found someone who was maybe it was even the first one something some people said that to To join the cult yatta killer white devil and that was one of the sort of like the hate the not hazing but the initiation sort of thing and bring back body part and Rosia

somewhere I read that he found a guy who was a bit he was drunken dozing in his car So he killed him and he cut off his ear and then dropped the ear and couldn't find it. So I had to go back. Get the other ear. Get the other ear. Oh. That full on.

That's gross. You get back and... And so frustrating. You're like, oh, I got to double back. It's like when you leave your keys at work or something, you know? You go to the shops and you get everything, but the thing you went, what it went there to get. I went to a cafe this morning for breakfast with my wallet

for getting that I'd take in my ID and my credit card out of my wallet last night. Oh, that says big night last night. Oh, maybe. I don't know. No, just put it in a smaller purse. For a big night or? No. You know what they say? Small purse, big night. maybe, I don't know, no, just put it in a smaller purse. For a big night or?

No. You know what they say, a small purse, big night. That's what they say. A small purse the bigger than night. And it was a sparkly purse. Well, the sparkly of the purse, the bigger the purse. So it'll kind of be in that spot. Exactly, it'll be all right.

It's like mirrors. Sparkles are like mirrors. You put mirrors in a room, looks bigger. Yeah, exactly. Sparkles in a purse looks bigger. It's actually quite a small purse, but it looks big. Yeah. So yeah, I get it.

What's happening? What are we talking about? Leaving something behind. Oh, right, yes. Cutting up an ear. So it never said where he dropped it or what he did with the ear. No, yeah, no. That's gross.

Gross, gross, gross. I mean, he left and then remembered, hang on. I left the ear on the man's head, I've got to go back. I didn't cut it off. You'd feel like a bloody goose, wouldn't you? Sorry. Oh gosh, what am I like? Scatter, Brian!

What am I like? He's just chatting with a cool, oh boy. Oh, we to assume that if this 300 remembers, there's been 300 murders. Well, I'm getting, I mean, none of this has been like these There's so many because it's a you know a secretive cult How much do you believe of what anyone really says?

What are their motives rosy as saying all this to get get his own sentence reduced? Yeah, and you know Who do you believe? Well, it is tricky. You know, I imagine the truth last somewhere in between But it does seem like all of the people involved are bad in some way, like quite bad. Right. Somewhere between bus driver and decapitated. Somewhere in there. Like a tram driver bad.

Oh dear. I don't know if anyone's the monster. I'm sorry. The LA Times described the proceedings as surreal. So this case, I loved how they described it. And they said it was a bit surreal due to the matter of fact, tone of Rosie's bloody recollections.

So as he's talking about these things, he's just telling a story. That'd be so chilling to listen to, you know? Just talking about it, you just see them, they're like, Oh, so I had to go back cut off his other ear. God, I didn't know I feel silly. So you go back there and then one of the other disciples was already there chopping it off.

I said, hey, mate, there's my bloody corpse. Keep moving, that guy. Keep moving up. Along with the colorful cast of characters in the courtroom, oh, that's fun. I don't know if I haven't said that. The colorful cast of characters in the courtroom. And the judge presiding over the trial,

US district judge, Norman C. Rote, Gajunia, who had an oversized handlebar mustache and a baritone voice and has been known to carry a handgun in an ankle holster. So it just sound like everyone was a cartoon character almost. Let's just go over that description. So oversized handlebar mustache with a baritone voice. Oh, so far it's Matt's dad. Yeah, it's really.

And has been known to carry a handgun in an ankle holster. Confirmed. Matt's dad. Papa, is that you? Papa. Where you been, Papa? As well as this, some of the defendants lawyers, because each defendant had a lawyer and there was 16 of them.

So there's a lot of lawyers. And it's all in one courtroom. Yes. That is too many. So that was all the defendants were sitting together. But we know what's causing it. And so they described some of these lawyers sound like characters, well, including representing YBY, former federal judge including representing YBY, former federal judge, Alcy Hastings, a courtly man who was impeached by Congress in 1989 and removed from the bench after being implicated

in a bribery scandal. What does courtly mean? Bloody belongs in a court, which I don't sense. Got it, he's in the right place. Courtly, Dave. Court like. Right, great. Like, Tennis Court?

No further questions. Ha ha ha. That's the courtly itself. Right, great. Like tennis court? No further questions. That's the call. That's the call. Oh, it is the call. Is it the who? Caughtly boy. Oh, allow it.

Objection. Granted. I've ruled. Sustained. I'm going to rule. I've watched legally blonde. The attorney for another defendant was mugged and pistol whipped at a Miami gas station just before. And for a while, sat at the defense table holding his heavily bandaged right hand in the air.

Oh, I was hoping heavily bandaged butt. Oh, the holding in the air. Do you have a question? No. I'm just getting the blood to circulate. Thank you. Holding it in the air. What's going on? This is the craziest court remember. When Rosia took the stand, assistant US Attorney Trudy Novichki, his first question was, how many people have you killed or helped to kill? Straight off the bat. Love it. To the point. Love your work, Trudes.

And as I was saying before, just very matter of fact, Rosia answered seven, going on to say that six of those killings were following the orders of Yahweh, Ben Yahweh, and the seventh was a beggar who annoyed him by persisting to ask for money and cigarettes. I ended up killing him and throwing him in the water, Rosie said. So, Jesus. So six, he said, because he was told to and he was brainwashed. The other one. Just annoying. Oh, man, bugging me for change and cigarettes. Naming Phil. Sick. I mean, then they're all terrible, but just the fact that it's like, oh, you are annoying.

That's fucked. Yeah. So this guy, I mean, this is what I mean, like, how much do you believe the words this guy's saying? Yeah. He's obviously, you mean, this is what I mean, like how much do you believe the words this guy's saying? Yeah. He's obviously, you know. This is not quite right. The other murderers, the other murders

were either white people chosen at random or black people who had insulted white people in some way. For his testimony, Rosia was freed early. Obviously, that was the exchange. No charges. No, he spent quite, I think about 10 years in prison. It was like, it was 22 years ago, wasn't it. So they reduced his sentence. He was only going to get 22 years for seven killings.

Yeah, it's not that. How was that not life? I'd toss life, toss life. Yeah, I don't understand, which probably means I've missed something here, but anyway. So he was for early and given a new identity in the witness protection program. He said he was a change man after his time in prison, studying for masters degree and learning multiple new languages. So he spent 10 years in prison, then went out there with a different name, and got to just

live a normal life. Yeah. But now he speaks Spanish. And I think yeah, I think it's normal for some people today. A lot of different languages. True. With a normal life. Yeah, except that he speaks Spanish. No, but like he's like, he just re-invents him.

Yeah, he's just like a new person now. No, no Miguel. So whatever. No big deal. And you asked about YBY before. In 1992, Yahweh Ben Yahweh was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and sentenced to 18 years in prison.

That's still not enough time. He was released on parole only nine years later and in 2007 was released from parole after his lawyer, Muzwantrob, asked the court to let him die with dignity. It was like, anyway, which obviously allowed and he, but he did die soon after he was, he had cancer and it was, it was soon to die. And he died at the age of 71 on the Yahweh Nation website, obviously. So that's like that's for them. That's their equivalent of Christianity's Jesus dying. Right. So, on there, which is an interesting thing as well, because on their website they say that they, they're in the teachings of the Bible and of, um, why be why being the Son of God. But I like, but the Bible, half of the Bible is all about Jesus being the Son of God. So I don't, maybe they're just old testament, I'm not sure, but anyway.

Just like, like second marriage, different mum. Right. Two kids. Yeah. second marriage, different mum. Right. Two kids. So this is how they described his death on their website. On Monday, May 7th, 2007, at 7.55 pm, our founder and savior, YBY, completed his first journey on Earth and ascended to stand with his father, Yahweh, in the heavens.

So yeah, and I didn't really can think about that until then. It's like, oh yeah. So even through all the trial and stuff, but to them they'd say, this is all test or whatever. You know, there's always a way to... Yeah, it's been everything. Wow. Right, and so there are still people that obviously practice.

Yeah, it's still going on. I mean, this was obviously a big hit for them, but it's still going and there's still still going on. I mean this was obviously a big hit for them, but it is it's still going there still follows Yeah, then they're sort of a bit of an an addendum at the end on February 5th 1999 Police in Cameron Park, California arrested a man named Robert Ramses for bouncing a $66 check to an auto part store According to the 13th floor.tv, as Ramses sat in a cell,

Kamron Park Police tracked a total of 29 bounce checks for video rentals, groceries, and bar tabs totaling more than $2,000, enough to bring the Mr. Mina charge up to a felony. Ramses then confessed to more than the checks he revealed that his name was Robert Rosia. Rosia was sure that once the Cameron police checked, they would realize they couldn't charge him with the checks.

So there's a- All right, because he's a witness protection guy. Yeah, that's right. As Robert Ramsey's, he lived a pretty normal life, as Dave said, only spoke Spanish. Wow. Owning a Sacramento auto detailing business as well as working construction jobs.

He was also a regular to a local pub. Rosia's logic in blowing his cover to the cops was this. I took them in a confidence and let them know who I was. I was a guy who had cooperated with several police agencies and the United States government. I figured they'd think let's not blow his cover with a little check charge. Right. That was his logic. Instead though, according to the Sacramento Bee, a newspaper over there, El Dorado authorities upgraded his misdemeanor case to a felony check fraud and tracked the total 29 checks, which got over the 2000

limit, which meant it could be a felony. And they were for those little things, for your entails, groceries, tyres, bar cap. Not at any time cool. Rosia claims there was a bank error, but authorities say he knowingly wrote checks on a closed account. Under California's three strikes law, which allows a life sentence, even if the third offense isn't a serious

of violent felony, Rosia was charged by judge Eddie T. Keller and sentenced him to serve 25 to life, which he's currently doing. Right, as Rosia. As Rosia was charged by Judge Eddie T. Keller and sentenced him to serve 25 to life, which he's currently doing. Right, as Rosia. As Rosia. So for admitting to killing seven people, the sentence to 22 years reduced to 10, but for check-cutting, they call it 25 to life, and he's still behind bars. And that is the end point.

That was in 99. That is insane. Wow. He should have been in for life to start with. But now it's like you've written $2,000 worth of bad checks for tiny little things. No, that's it. Life in prison.

Clearly the cops checked and went, well this guy's a multi-murderer and he's just living a normal life, ripping off grocery stores, fucking. Yeah, I guess that's kind of the idea. Wow. Isn't it? Yeah, it is interesting. And they say that this is a, this sort of helps one of the police officers who

was involved or prosecutor said this scenario helps explain why it makes sense that the third The third structure shouldn't have to be violent because they can use it in this way Right, not sure I'd usually agree with that Yeah, I know it's all all this stuff is very tricky But in this case it feels like Justice did finally get so yeah, but just in such a weird way Yeah, and him and he Offered up that information. I believe that they wouldn't have been able to find it out if he didn't offer it to them. Right. So he might have just gone to jail

as, you know, for a month or something. Yeah. As Ramsey's. Yes. So. But he thought, no, I don't want to do that. Yeah. Okay. Let me go. Let me go because I've murdered seven people before. Do you know who I am? He was more, yeah, more focusing on the help he gave rather than the seven murders he owned up to. Whoa. Including one because he was annoyed. Anoid.

Yeah, so it's, I mean, it was a, it's a full-on story. It's a, went, um. Multi-layered. So the way I put up these topics to be voted on by the Patrons was I did the second transfer that we do occasionally. So I put up five topics that had come second in previous polls for me. Cool. And a couple of nights ago, I'm like, all right, time to write the report.

I checked in and it was 1766 a piece for two different topics. No. 176 a piece. So I was just sitting there refreshing. I had a night, put aside to write the report, and I'm going, come on, someone vote. Please. And it was like 45 minutes later, someone vote.

I'm like, all right. Got to cut it off there. Cut it off there. Yep. So this one, 177. Gotta cut it off there. Cut it off there. Yep. So this one 177. Yeah. Tite race. But yeah, there was a, there was, I reckon that second one I'll have to put up for a third

chance to draw at some point. Because it has been a difficult time. Obviously, very popular. This is really good. I'd never heard of any of this. No, that's fascinating. Yeah, and I was just only the one, once, I think that that tells you how little known it is, is that only one person in all the thousands of suggestions we've had only the one once I think that that tells you how little known it is is that only one person

in all the thousands of suggestions we've had only the one time that's been suggested. It was beaten by the last time it was up against space jam Michael Jordan. Of course it was. Which was funny because in the in the thing I said Robert Rosia footballer and murderer. I'm like there's a probably we beat Michael Jordan and all these other ones and it did and I'm like, oh, that's interesting, but it did come a close second. Yeah.

Cool. So yeah, I find these ones very, very uncomfortable. You did great, even though you had your eyes closed for most of that report. And you didn't describe how someone nearly had their head cut off. Yeah, an attempted decapitation is a very confusing sentence. I mean, I mean, you could try and not even break the skin and be like,

all right, go on, get out of here. Yeah, I could just like touch your neck and be like, oh, tried. I tried to karate chop your head off and it didn't work. Go on, you little scam. I'll see you go. So, in chance, your little scam. Get out of here.

Your little cutie patootie. How many karate chops would it take? How many would it take? That's you standing there like fed up. How many karate chops would it take? I've done seven. I'm not even half way. He's just walking away.

Come back here. He's rubbing his neck. Ow. Ow. Anyone got any ice? Get back here. Come back Ow. Ow, can't even get any eyes. Get back here. Go back here. Hey, yeah.

And, uh, hey, yeah. Bring your hand would wear up before your neck. Definitely. Unless you got sharp hands. Old blade hands over here. That sound like Whitney Houston. Hey, yeah. Yeah.

We'll always chop you Feels like is that the silliest thing we've ever done? I don't even think it is not even top 10 That's not even close Silly we are a great report man and thank you to who suggested that because that was suggested by Dave you oh let you yes of course Sorry, see a bug see bar or see but see a bug so that it's a side G She came across it in Iceland, but no one in America had suggested it to us. Yeah Right and we hadn't heard of it. No, that's really cool. So the first G and see a bug is silent. See you. I think it's C get C go. Oh, C go.

C go. The master system. Now it is time. I should also say, because I think there has still been some confusion about this. People occasionally say, we'll say, I don't, I'm not on Patreon, so I don't, I know I'm not meant to suggest topics, but that's not necessary. Anyone can suggest the topic. Yeah, anyone. I'm often we just pick at random

because it sounds cool because you go to dogoonpod.com, you click submit a topic or suggest a topic, it takes you to a thing and you fill out like a little form and you get to tell us a little pitch really. Yeah. We definitely read those. Oh, that's so helpful.

Yeah, you go, oh, this sounds really cool. Well, Sigib Yorg, her pitch was, I mean, read the name. I love it. She's calm. Other times people have, Jess Perkins level of hoots, though. Sure. And then, but not the charisma. Well, they have charisma on my channel yourself.

Yes. So yeah, there'll be a link to that in the, in the, in the, just show description notes below. What the patrons get to do is what we put up topic ideas and then they vote. So they have a more direct choice. I know it down. Choose from a list, but anyone can suggest it anytime, absolutely.

And now it is time for a different Patreon reward, which is fact-quote or question. Q. Facts-quote or question. Ding. I was about to say Q theme, but I only had to say Q. I added a ding, do you like it? Yeah, it was beautiful. Every week, a certain extra sound will be added.

Oh, that's pressure. So this week, it is from Tre Maverick. Tre. It's his second time in the fact-quad-quadal question. What do you got for us, Tray? You also, as well as getting to give us a fact-quadal question, you also get to give yourself a title. And Tray has given himself the title, Executive Vice Provost.

Is it Provost? Provost. I'm assuming that's a silent ST. Provost? Executive Vice Provost of Overseas Fingless Glove Development. Oh, yes. I definitely need those. Exactly device, provost of overseas fingerless glove development. Oh, yes. I definitely need those. I need someone on the ground in every country developing the gloveless fingers, but to go on.

Wow. Can you look at what provost mains? Yeah, I'm Googling. I don't know that term. Provost. A senior academic administrator, otherwise at many institutions of higher education in the US and Canada, the equivalent in the UK is a provisive chancellor or an Australia, it's the deputy vice chancellor.

Oh, a deputy vice chancellor. Oh, you put it like that. So we're gonna get that here. We have a cooler word. Yeah, much cooler. Then deputy vice chancellor. Yes. Yeah, deputy, which is very words.

Deputy dog. Definitely provost. Very good. I like it. And this is what he's going with. Definitely provost. Very good. Well, I like it. And this is what he's going with. He's going with a quote, and this is it. When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant,

I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years. And so that's the quote, then try out it in lol. Am I right? He said the quote was originally attributed to Mark Twain, but it's recently been proven that Twain is an unlikely source of the quote in part because Twain's own father died when he was 11. I guess that was kind of a quote and effect. Oh, very good. Thank you so much for that. Well, he just did

say witty things like that. So we could have just said that. Not true. Besson reality. And but I also reckon people probably sometimes will go, I've got a funny little thing. I'll attribute it to Mark Twain and we'll get it out there. Yeah, do you reckon? I reckon. Do you reckon? I don't know. Do you reckon? I reckon. Dave, what are you reckon? I reckon that Matt reckons.

Anyway, that's all we've got time for in what are you reckon? New segment we're doing here, do go on. And the other Patreon segment, Dave, at the end of the show, is... Well, we'd like to give a shout out and thank by name some people directly that contribute to the Patreon every week. And if you're not familiar, you can go to patreon.com slash dogeon.com and check out the rewards.

The biggest reward, of course, is helping the show. That's for us anyway. But you also get individual stuff like you get to vote on topics as Matt said. You get to have the fact que de question, you get pre-sales and stuff. A couple of bonus episodes, that's right, two episodes every single month that just the Patrons here. And also, like we're about to do now, some shout outs and thanks by name. Normally along with this, Jess gives us a fun little game, something to do with the names.

Well, yeah, what I was thinking was either giving, like naming their cult. Oh, yeah. You know? Something like some version of the Nation Yahweh. Yeah. And how about we, and what they're about, and let's make them.

Yes. Friendly cults. Friendly cults. Mine's all decapitation based. Cults. But you decapitate like ice creams. Yeah. Yeah.

And once you've been in that ice cream. Teddy bear biscuits. Yeah, once you've been in the ice cream, you've got a lot of energy and then you can start karate chopping people on the neck till they die. Why are you doing it on your knee then? To make a great sound, hear that? I don't think that'll really pick up. Well, it sounded vicious.

Matt, do you, when you eat a Teddy bear biscuit, do you eat a head first? Yes. Put a love it's misery. Yeah, do you, when you eat a teddy bear biscuit, do you eat a head first? Yes. Put a lemon's misery. Yeah. Yeah. Then you eat the rest. It's foot first. What the fuck is wrong with you? Well, I don't eat it first. I put it a dip into a boiling liquid. Oh, Jesus, Dave. Good heavens. Feet first, though. Yeah, no, we still got that. I love to think. Oh, jeez, he's not done yet. We wish you would be done. I would love to thank, if I may. Please. One of our fun patrons from Minnetonka.

I was about to go half-cocked and just assume that said Minnesota. What a fool I would have made of myself. Minnetonka. From Minnetonka, that's cool. That is fun. I've never heard of Minnetonka before. No. I'd love to think Loroi and Leslie Chappelle or Chapel.

Chapel obviously already got great religious cult commentations going on. Jess, what do you have there? Okay, okay, okay. I'm thinking the sunshine bunch. The sunshine bunch, that's fun. I've just looked at it. Minnetonkers in Minnesota.

Perfect. I love their minors over there. And they also love sunshine. The sunshine state. Oh yeah. And they hand out bunches of sunflowers, because I like to spread love. This is a nice cult.

Yeah, we said they were nice, they were friendly cults. You went fucked and weird. That's you. I mean, I just know there is a cult that isn't fucked and weird. Okay, well, we're, he doesn't get it. Matt. The Minnetonka Millies is a baseball club that a state champion in 2015 2016 and 2017. Wow, let's have a go.

Minnetonka. That sounds great for. But they've also got a club called Minnetonka Dynamo, who's a bandy club. What's that mean? I don't know. But they were champions in 94 and 98 in 2000. Bandy. I'm betting above their average.

Bloody hell. So thank you very much. Leroy, Anilese Lee. We don't often get a couple patron. Love that. Leroy, Anilese Lee. We love love. We love love. All brother and sister.

We love, what? Oh, brotherly love ever heard of it. It's a couple of states over, mate. Oh, Philly. Philly, Pennsylvania. The city of brotherly love, is that it, right? Yeah, Philly. Philly, Pennsylvania. The city of Bradley Love, is that right? Yeah, Philadelphia, the city of Bradley Love, Jesse Hothel.

No! Is that a great name for a city? And I made a mistake a while ago by saying, someone, we thank someone from Philadelphia and I said, go pens, and someone tweeted saying, don't say that they are arch enemies. And I forgot that pens meant penguins and not a pencil vania. Cause the team in the city of Brutally love is of course the flyers.

Obviously. Go flyers. Should be the brothers. Oh. That'd be good. That was a mistake on their part. I'll have a word. Thank you.

Who else would you like to thank? Oh, can I thank another? I'd love to thank. Oh please. Please sir, can I thank another? I'd love to thank. Oh, please. Please sir, can I thank another? from Navik in the state of no short for something else. I'd love to thank Lars

Rones Olsen. Oh Love a triple banger often serial killer's names like Love a triple banger. Often, serial killers names. Like, isn't it normally that they get a triple banger? I'm sorry, Lars, but Lars Roansolson is a serial killer. Where'd you say he's from? Narvik. Narvik in No. I believe that's Norway.

Norway. How cool is that? Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's in Norway. Wow. Hey, Lars, you're all right with me. What's the cult? It's the cult of the candy canes.

Ooh! And they all go around with candy canes. They're dancing a big candy cane circle. Yeah. Well that's not surprising, because now I think he's quite far north and not that far from the north. Oh, the old Santa himself. It's pretty far north on the, look, that's right up there.

Wow. That is amazing. He probably gets the 24 hour sunlight in there summer It's just pretty awesome. Lars Olsen. Lars Olsen is a sick name. Lars Olsen. I would say I bet he's beautiful. Old wager that he is our most most northernly patron. And our most Thank you. Did have a second go and yeah, I reckon you're the most notherly patron, so thank you so much. Awesome. And you just have fun with that cold of the candy cane.

Well done. The CCC. Love that. Love that so much. Yes. Sorry. Don't be sorry. Never apologize.

I'm totally excited. Dave, would you like to thank some people also? I would love to thank all the way from New Jersey. New Jersey. New Jersey. I'm a walkie here. I'm a walkie here. I think you enjoy seeing. I'm Bruce Springsteen here.

Nice. I'm John Bajove here. Nice. And this is from a fantastic place. I didn't know existed, but now I will never forget. Forced River. Get forced. Get forced.

This river is forked. And I would like to thank from there, Marcos Vesquez. Get for this river is forked And I would like to thank from there Marcos Vesquez. Oh Vesquez go name what a great name Marcus Vesquez. Thank you, Marcus I'd like to say also go Rutgers my College didn't went to I went to a college football game and you joysy you joysy And it was to say the Rutgers, or Rutgers. Rutgers. They got smashed. Oh.

But it was fun. That was like dancing and big bands and stuff. That sounds fun. I take it seriously over there. I think that Mark Austin is part of the Rutgers. Oh, the Rutgers. This little, is it like a bar? This little Rutger.

His name is Bart. His name is not important. I don't know what retica means, but I love it. What's your name, young man? Retica. What a fun. Mark was probably a Desimson's reference in. We had to get one.

Mark was fast-cased and the retica's in Fork's River. You'd joy see, thanks so much for your support. Appreciate that. And I'd also like to thank from one continent to another all the way over to GB Luton, which has one of London's many airports based out there. His name as well, because I grabbed this before is London lad. London lad London lad is what he goes by. Will aka the London Lad from Luton? Well, I think he's called the London Lad. Luton son, Luton son. The London Lad is very

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Cable. Hardy, Cable. Hello. Hardy is great. My name is Hardy Cable. Prepare to die. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

Hardy, Cable. That's a sick man. So I mean obviously that one's itself to the Harley boys, but also it could be the Indigo Montoya's. Oh that's a good one. The Indigo Montoya's is great. And what do they get? What do they get up to? Revenge mostly. A cult of revenge. But obviously not death revenge. No. They'll go, what do they do? They'll put itchy powder in your shampoo. Yeah. And such other things.

And then they say, you did a bad thing, and they wiggle their fingers a lot, and they educate. It's a revenge, because it comes from a place of being wrong. Revenge, okay. They revenge, okay. Yeah. They have a Chris Isaac playing all the time. No.

What a wicked game you played to make me feel this way. Revenge. You had to hear me cover a Chris Isaac song. I think we're square. Good day, sir. Good day. Carry on.

Thank you. We are the unique harmonious prepared to have an itchy scalp. Hardy, Cabral. What a name. So good. So thank you, Hardy. I'd also like to thank up. Hardy Cabra. What a name. So good. So thank you, Hardy. And I'd also like to thank from Liverpool, also in Great Britain, Jibu.

I'm like the bag. Well, represent, Jess. David James Gaskell. Oh, Gaskell, the Raskell. Gaskell, the Raskell. The Raskells. The Little Gaskells. Merzy saw the Raskells.

Oh, the Little Gaskells. Oh, the Little Gaskellles. You know shit. Well done, Dave. So when you join, you get renamed to a gaskle? Yeah. That is gaskle. He's killed the original hell of hell for. What has that been?

He's David Gaskle. What do you get to become a few, John? You're going to have to take a new first name. Oh, James. David James Gaskle. Oh, hang on. We have the same first and second name. I'm going to call you Little Gaskell.

I'm the Little Gaskell. You're the Little Gaskell. You're the Little Gaskell. Yes, I'm here. You go to the titular gas... You're the titular gaskell. I run things that's named after me in David James Gaskell. I'm the real David James Gaskell. Now I'm the real David James Gasko. Now I'm the real

David James Gasko. He's really cool. He falls apart in three days because Dave joins it. Sorry David James but a great name. What did you say there as David James Gasko? Because I'll put it into Liverpool language. Oh my god. David James Gasko. I'm the real David James Gasko. I'm the real David James Gaskell. I'm the real David James Gaskell. Were you playing air bass as you said that? I can only do it by playing Paul McCartney's. What's his little bass brand called? Hoffner. Hoffner. I can't only do a point. He plays left-handed so you're doing it really well. I'm a mirror. I'm a mirror. I'm a little bit like this and then yeah, we had under the hook, record. I get winning out.

It's very nicely out. Yeah, largely out. We're in your out in your out forever. What a fun time we've had. Oh, she's not a sad. Don't speak for me. Oh, no, honestly, I was being ironic. That was a pretty different thing.

I was like, I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. What a fun time we've had. Oh, that's a lot. Jesus, don't speak for me. Oh, no, honestly, I was being ironic. That was a pretty distressing episode. But to be honest, the Patreon read was one of my favorite for a while, so that was the real highlight. The episode was great. I'd never heard of it.

Good Yahweh to you. Very, very interesting. And a good Yahweh to you. So, and Yahweh to you. Yeah. So, um. And Yahweh to you. Thank you so much. I think we're bordering on offensive now. Thank you so much.

Yahweh, man. It's like, yeah. It's where I like to sit. Great. On offense. Of, of, of sitting on a fence. I did not mean that at all. All right.

Sitting on offense. That's great pun work there. Oh, no. Pan king, pan king, pan king. No, I'm the punk king. Oh yeah. Oh no, I did it again. No, it's all a play.

Dave, I'm looking for you to wrap it up. Jess, one of us has to do the honors. Jess, I know we all wanted to keep going. Don't let it do it. Please. Fuck, here I'll do it. Tell us about, how can people get in contact or follow us or support us or... Let me wrap up. You don't have to guide me. Jess, I can do it. Tell us about what how can people get in contact or follow us or support us or let me wrap up

You don't have to guide me just I can do it. Don't forget to mention I can do it. I mean here the same amount of episodes You have David have you been here? Oh, that's a good question. Really here. Yeah, so we've got a website apparently How long's that been happening? You take that out. I'm not sure what it is. Google do go wild. You'll find it, I guess, probably third one down. It could also go to Facebook.

I mean, we really have to work on that if it's coming up first. That's a site that's been around a while. You've probably got one. Instagram. There's one of those. Do go on pod at that. No, that one. Twitter.

Do go on pod. Do go on pod. Is it, am I? Yeah, including the website. Dot, just add a dot comb. No, don't are you? No, huh? I mean you we really have to I've just Googled our own podcast title and our podcast Website doesn't even come up my website comes up before it We really have to work on work on that it is to go on pod.com

You can suggest a topic you can buy merch you can buy tickets to our live shows You can get in touch with us. You get email us at doggonepod at gmail.com And also just by sending us good vibes telepathically, we'll feel them. Oh, we feel them, yeah. And that wraps up today's show. So until next time, I will say goodbye! Waiters! Bye! I do not pull that face. Matthew, do I pull that face?

You do. Fucking dick. It's a dupal! Bye! Yeah! So cute. Is there a fly in the room? Ha ha ha!

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