Do Go On - 152 - The Football Cult Killer

Episode Date: September 19, 2018

In 1979 Robert Rozier was a talented American footballer with a promising career ahead of him, but things didn't pan out that way - his career was cut short and he ended up getting involved in a cult which lead him down a dark path. Our website: dogoonpod.com Melbourne LIVE show on October 13th : https://www.moshtix.com.au/v2/event/do-go-on-live/105917?&skin=4406&ref=hwlr UK shows : https://dogoonpod.com/events/ Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat  Twitter: @DoGoOnPod Instagram: @DoGoOnPod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/ Email us: [e-mail] Check out our Prime Mates Podcast: https://omny.fm/shows/prime-mates Matt's live shows: mattstewartcomedy.com/gigs REFERNCES AND FURTHER READING:http://dev.realclearsports.com/lists/top_10_football_players_prison_now/robert_rozier.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rozierhttp://www.the13thfloor.tv/2016/12/14/the-football-player-and-the-son-of-god/https://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/23/nyregion/prosecutors-drop-charges-in-1984-cult-murder-case.htmlhttp://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rozier-robert.htmhttps://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1346&dat=19861130&id=tmRNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lPsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6845,7617763http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-29/news/mn-487_1_yahweh-ben-yahwehhttps://www.instagram.com/p/BYotXV-jfXR/?hl=enhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh_ben_Yahwehhttps://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/us/09yahweh.htmlhttp://yahwehbenyahweh.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

Canada, we are visiting you in September this year. If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal, and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates.

Welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Oh, hi, Dave. Did you like that? Obviously, those listening at home wouldn't have seen that. But Dave pointed to Jess when he said Jess Perkins and pointed to me when he said it. No, I did a point and then like a cross. A wave.

A pan. And we have here. Right. Just in case we weren't sure who you were referring to. Also, he does that most times. Have you only just started looking at Dave? Yeah. My hand really flourishes up to the sky.

There's a glow around Dave. Like I'm doing a backhand. Backhand a compliment to you, Matt. Right. Backhand. Give me a backhand compliment. I love how you dress like you don't care. That's one of the all-time great backhanders.

Are you nagging me? It's just like you're so effortlessly casual. I love it. Yeah, I wish I could just get up and go out. What about even a shit beard looks good on you. Yeah. Well, yeah, that is, that's confusing. I just wish I had your confidence.

I don't know how to be. I could never leave the house looking like I hadn't bathed. Wow. Couldn't do it. I could never leave the house with your personality. And that's brave. Yeah, that's getting a bit meaner. I think that's just a forehanded insult.

Insult. Sorry. Now let me serve you up. Here we go. A volley of shame. You don't serve volleys. You serve and volley, all right? Stop mixing your tennis metaphors.

This is a two-hander. It's an approach shot after a serve, then a volley, and then a celebration. Nice face. Mate. Wow. Wow. Thank you. You see that?

The approach shot was nice face. Yep. The volley was mate. Right. And then I turned to the crowd. They went wild. He said, come on. Come on.

Come on. Yeah. Wow. Do you feel the parrot in that? Yeah, I felt a parrot in that, whatever that means. I don't get this linger of the kids. Call it a kid. Was that a backhand compliment?

Do you have any? Yes. Do you have any business to get through before I get cracking with this fantastic report? I have a business proposition for you. Oh. I have invented a new kind of microwave. It's very little and it only works for two minutes. noodles. Are you in?

Yes. How much do you want? I've got a checkbook. It's a micro microwave. Microw microwave. I'm thinking we've got to calling it the Microw microwave wave. Oh, what's the second wave? I don't know. It just seemed fun. Yeah. I want it to be whimsical. Maybe it's waterproof. Can have it in a wave pool. Micahmica wave wave. Yeah. What about its wave activated? You wave at it and it starts. Oh, fuck. So you don't get any of the radiation. You don't have to be near it. You wave.

Right. And that's cute too because it like a little animation comes on the It's back. With a smiley. So it's for lonely people. That could change, you know, medical technology as well. Just waving. Wave at an x-ray. Yeah.

Wave at a defibrillator. Hello. That'll jumpstart him. I should do it. I do have some business, though. Oh, yeah. Not enough of that. Pod business.

If you are in Melbourne on October the 13th, oh, spooky kind of. We are doing a show. Saturday the 13th. Oh. We're doing our live show, our Bon Voyage show before we go to the UK at Howler in Brunswick. Sold a lot of tickets. A few left. You want to get involved.

We've got the ticket link in the description of this episode. Or do go on Pod.com for all tickets to all podcasts. And if you like Howler, I run a comedy night there every month, first Wednesday of the month. It's a free night. So come see. It's so good. Comedy. It's great.

Howler is awesome. The comedians are awesome. It's a great venue. We're really looking forward. to it. Yeah, I'm so excited. It's going to be so good. So just come on the 13th and then wait, what about two, three weeks. Just go on a bender. Yeah. Go back to the front bar. Great bar. They have great beers on tap. Anyway, enough about howler. Is that all? Also, we have to talk about our blockbuster tober. Right. That was, I knew there was something I was meant to mention,

and I could not remember. Thanks for the reminder. Blockbuster, Tofa Grace is what I'm starting to call it around. I still don't love that one. Oh, you still don't love that one after all these years. It's an idea I had where we're going to do all October. Every topic is going to be a banger. A banger, right? And the way we've done that is... We put out a survey last week.

And that's now closed, and we've got a lot of responses. It feels real good to be responded to like that. I'm so used to sitting here and getting nothing. But the listeners, they really got back to me. Yeah, that's right, Jess. Oh, she's blocking me now. I get it. And so I'm going to take those and we're going to put them to the patrons one by one

and figure out what topics we're going to do for Blockbuster Tofer Grace. Month. And, yeah, because now I've entirely lost October now. Yeah, you have to somehow include it. You put in Tofa Grace instead of. Yeah, that's just from Tober, from October. All right. Let's just call it Block O.

Maybe it should be Block Toby McGuire. Blocko Toby McGuire. No, Bloktobaie McGuire. Oh, yeah, that works. Buster month. Right. He's got the B. He's adding a pH.

It wasn't there before? Or is it an F? I don't know. You get a pH reading on this one? She wasn't there before. It's off a scale. Anyway, so if you want to get involved in that, and you're on Patreon, you'll look out for those coming up, and it's going to be sick.

And we're going to finish the month with our most requested ever topic. Tofa Grace. The Life and Times of. Reported by Tofa Grace himself. We're hooking up a satellite link. We're going to get him. That'd be so good. Haven't asked him yet.

When we're in Sydney, Dave and I went and saw a Tofa Grace movie together. That's right, Black Klansman and he was playing a racist almost too well. Very believable, Tofa. What are you implying? Are you acting anymore, Tofa? Are you guys just saying he's a good actor? Yes, definitely he's a great actor. Great.

He did great. He did Grace. Pofa Grace. He was always doing Tofa Gras. It's a real good movie. Anyhow, the way this show goes is it's... A one, two. We get given a topic by listeners, often voted for by the Patrons, and that's what

happened this week. One of us will do a report on that topic, which is me this week. We get on a topic by asking a question. And the other two are going in blind, Jess and I don't know what this is. That's right. Otherwise, this question would be a little pointless, which I'm pretty sure not going to to get this one. How dare you have so little faith in us? David, let us get to this question. We will not stop. No clues. Don't even ask the question. Let's just guess.

I'm just saying it's a sport question and I didn't know it. Tiger Woods. No, we're near. This is dad. Greg Norman. The question is, which past NFL player could be referred to as the football cult killer? OJ Simpson? No. Oh. I hadn't heard of this guy. So I'll give you one guest, Jess, and then I'll move it along.

Come on, Jess. Can you name a footballer? I mean, because I've said mine. Or I mean, killer slash footballer, of which there are dozens. Yeah, there's more than I realize. Is there actually lots? There are, yeah, there's websites dedicated to. Oh, that's sad.

What a weird niche. I don't have one. Robert Rosia. Robert Rosier. I don't think anyone's called him the football cult killer, but. Is that a little bit of your spin? Yeah, well, he was a footballer. who joined a cult and was a killer.

See, I don't know. I'm sorry to show you the workings out there, but that's how I came to the... Also, a lot of spoiler right at the top there. Oh, no. No, I call that sizzle. Sorry, he played some sort of sport. Oh, but what? And then he joined a cult and was a killer.

Let's talk about the sport. But what sport did he play? Okay, well, here is my topic. This one was suggested by Sibba, whose real name, Dave can pronounce. Oh. Sibibyorg. Yes. From Iceland.

Yes. Siba Bjorg, I believe. Is it Sibabj or Sia Bjorg? Sia Biorg? I'm so sorry. This happens every time. I think she has told us before that you can call her Siba. Yes.

Great. So thank you so much for listening in Iceland. And suggesting a topic that I've never heard of. No, this is cool. Appreciate that. Yeah, I don't know of this either. But it's pretty full on. Obviously, it's about a killer.

So, anyhow, Robert Rosie was born on the 28th of July, 1995 in Anchorage, Alaska. 55, good year. 5-5, yes. From there he went. Did you say he was born in Alaska? Yes. Oh. That's the end of the Alaska section of the show.

Why did you react to that? I just thought it would. Maybe people didn't hear on it's just. Oh, I'm sorry. I mean, just don't associate the weather. They're being great for NFL training. Well, that's why. he moved to California to attend high school in Sacramento

before studying at the University of California, Berkeley. I didn't realize that. I thought Berkeley was the name of the uni, but it's University of California, Berkeley. Oh, can you just see Berkeley written on? Yeah. I think maybe that's just the campus of the university. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

There he played for the college football team as a defensive end. He was pretty handy, apparently a pretty impressive player, obviously impressive enough to be selected in the 1979 NFL draft by the St. Louis Cardinals. Right, so 24 when he's being selected. Would that be considered a late bloomer for this type of? Well, I'm not an American sport expert, but I'm pretty sure they definitely are more serious about their college years, and I think some probably jump straight into professional level, and others will play through the colleges and then put themselves up for the draft.

but I'm not 100% sure about that. I know college football is huge, though. Yeah. Basketball is the same. I think some players will hang back and play out their college years before trying to join the NBA, and others will jump in sooner. So I'm not 100% sure on that,

but I think it's probably pretty normal. He didn't last very long, though, before being cut. I also read quit. He quit. But I'm more seem to say he was cut, but then some said he quit, which is interesting. He then moved on. On to the Canadian Football League in 1980,

playing for the Hamilton Tiger Cats. Tiger Cat. Okay. I like that. Yeah. I wonder if that was from emerging of two previous teams, the Tigers on the Cats, because it feels like... You'd think you'd just make up a new one, but they're like, no, no, Tiger Cat.

I like Tiger Cats. You know, my favorite American baseball team, the Rail Cats, yes. From Gary, South Shore. They, I've tried to figure out what a rail cat is. I assume it's a cat that lives on the track. On the track. Did you Google it at all? Yeah.

All that came up was the Gary South Shore rail cats. I think they, yeah, I think they might be the only ones. But how good is this team names? This other team he played for in the Canadian league was the Sasquatch. The Saskutch word. I've heard this word said so many times. The cess. and can you help me out if I fail this one more time.

Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan's great. I've heard it, but I've never tried to read it. If I didn't look at it, I would have been able to say it, Oregon. Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan. Fuck.

Saskatchewan. Rough riders. Oh. Rough rider. That sounds like a sex move. I remember a brand of condom called that we laughed out a lot in high school. Rough rider. Rough rider.

Right. What does that mean? Ribbed? Yeah, ribbed. I don't assume so. Both sides ribbed. It's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable.

It's spiky. Oh, that is rough. Following that, he was briefly signed up with the Oakland Raiders. So I think this is pretty common in American football as well. Players will make lists and they have pretty long rosters. And then they'll get cut and move on and they'll jump around different squads. So is that back in the NFL? Back in the NFL?

But I don't think he ever ended up playing for them. And obviously none of them lasted very long because that was all within a couple of years. From what I could gather, he wasn't focused enough on football to make a success of it. And some sources suggest that he may have been getting caught up in drugs and petty crimes as well. I mean, it's sad to think that you get caught up in petty crimes. Mate, if you focus on the football, surely you'll make more money. Yeah, it's interesting. Some people aren't really long-term thinkers.

Yeah, I want 20 bucks now, not 20 million tomorrow. Exactly. Yeah, I think somewhere said that he, while he was playing in Canada, he was racking up some bad check debt, which is, yeah, interesting. What a time where you could just write on a piece of paper. People are, I'll trust that, see later. I assume this account has money in it. Yeah.

What a funny time. So that was the end of his professional football career within a couple of years. Wow. The other key figure in this story is a man named Houlon Mitchell Jr. In Kingfisher, Oklahoma on the 27th of October 1935, Mitchell was born into a Christian family. His father was a reverend and his mother played piano with the Church of God in Christ in Enid, Oklahoma. Enid.

Enid. Oh, that's good. He was the eldest of 15 children. Too many! What? Do they know what was causing it? Do they? Do they?

Probably not buying Rough riders. Yeah, I need a couple of rough riders. Or was it because the rough riders had so much ribbing that they created friction and... They didn't work. They didn't work. Or is rough riding? Rough riding, yeah, I thought rough riding was... It's interesting that rough riding is the name of a condombring.

Because that feels like that. I thought that should be... Sans condom. Condom. Condominium. Short for condominium. Wow. They were doing a lot of rough riding.

Same parents, just one couple... 15 kids. I... Oh, no. Apparently there's that... Well, this is what I've heard. Is that there's a chemical in women's brains that kind of makes us forget how painful labour was.

Right. Right? So that's why you're then able and willing to... to go back and have more children. But surely by 15, you remember the trauma. Maybe you remember it at 15, so that's why they cut her off there. Yeah, you're right. It's also like to have 15 kids.

Like, you're assuming there's some small gaps in between, that's a long period of your life. Yeah. That's probably 20 years. Yeah, this guy you're talking about, was it, Mitchell's probably 25 years older than his youngest brother or sister. Most people wouldn't have a career, you know, that lasts as long as, her career in being a pregnant person.

Yeah, no. You know, my dad is one of 14. I would have mentioned that too many times, really. That's true. And same mother for all 14. Same mother for all 14. Someone wants figured out, hang on, I'm trying to figure out now. It's that kind of number that I don't even know exactly how many.

Because they also had foster kids and stuff. They also had foster kids. Yeah. So how big was a house? Included in that 14. No, I think that was outside of that. Maybe it was 13 and foster kids. I think we figured out that my grand.

Grandma was pregnant for something like seven years of her life or just under. So she had eight kids? Nine. Damn it. It's real simple maths. Nine, did you have nine? Yeah. Anyway.

Anyway, sorry. No, that's okay. Too long. Hulon Mitchell Jr. So he's eldest of 15. According to the New York Times, Mitchell attended segregated public schools before serving in the Air Force and earning a psychology degree in Oklahoma,

where he was regarded as brilliant. by some teachers. The Times also said that he worked with civil rights groups in organizing sit-ins in Oklahoma, but grew disillusioned and called the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King that dead dog preacher. I don't really know what that means, but it doesn't sound positive. No, it doesn't sound like a nice thing to say about someone. It started out on the same side, but then he turned against. Well, yeah, I think he, I guess he obviously disagreed with how he was going about it,

or I'm not, yeah, not sure. Because he ended up, yeah, look, I think if you're putting these two side by side, you'd probably go with almost 100% revered Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Right. Or is that just like the eight, anyway, I've never ever heard anyone say anything bad about Dr. Martin Luther King. I don't think until that. Yeah, yeah, good point. But I guess at the time, yes.

There would have been, yeah. But not so much now. Yeah, you're right. But this was, I mean, he was quoted quite a while. That was the, I know, appears, I guess, on some level. The article also mentioned that he studied law, though he didn't complete his degree, and also earned a master's degree in economics from Atlanta University.

So as well as being impressive in his studies, he was also described as charismatic quite a lot. Just as doing the loser sign. Sounds like a big old nerd. I've got a master's in economics. I studied law. Great. Sounds like my kind of guy.

Just go bowling or something. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, but can you bowl? Can you? Can you get a strike? You got a few pieces of paper, but can you knock down some pins?

Can you? Didn't think so. Can we borrow those pieces of paper, flip them over and write down the score? Yeah. And you got zero. Yeah. Look at that. Gutter ball.

That's why we call you gutter ball. Julio. I'm scrolling up to remember his name. So who long? Because he changed his name soon. Gutterball Mitchell. That's why we call you guttabal Mitchell. So you've got book skills, sure, but I've got life skills. But that don't impress me much. And those words were written down and then read by a young scholar by the name of Shania Twain,

who then used them as inspiration for her hit. Daughter of Mark Twain, I assume. You assume correctly, yes. I was trying to think of another one of her songs. Man, I feel like a woman. Yeah, it's going to be like, you know, I was going to do one of those classic switcharoos, and I fucked it. So anyway, I do go on.

It would have been really good. I'll fix it in the edit. Thank you. By 1979, when Rosie was starting out on his short-lived professional football career, Mitchell had moved to Florida and was founding a new religious movement called the Nation of Yahweh, which set up its headquarters, Florida. The nation of Yahweh.

Yes. How do you spell Yahweh? Y-A-H-W-E-H. They spell it in like Hebrew or... Right. So even on their website, the nation of Yahweh's website, it's everything else is in English apart from... Because I believe Yahweh, I don't think it's really known how it's meant to be pronounced.

I think it was seen as... It was like one of those... It was such a sacred word that... I read this very briefly, so this may be not... not true. Right. Like going back centuries and centuries, they stopped, the Israelites stopped saying the name. So no one really knows how it's meant to be pronounced.

Oh, like, Calderboard in a couple of centuries time. People would be like, how do you say that? Is that Yahweh? I'm saying that right? Harry Potter's nemesis, Yahweh. Yeah, I assume. The nation of Yahweh has been described as the most controversial offshoot of the black Hebrew Israelites religious movement.

Most controversial. Yes. Okay, well, controversy isn't always bad. So far, this is just a story. It's just an academic who started a religious thing. That's all right. Mitchell preached that the prophets in the Bible were black and that white people, particularly Jewish people, were infidels.

Mitchell also preached that he was the son of God, as any good cult leader does. obviously I'm the son of God I'm either the son of God or I can speak directly to him Yes so it's a Hebrew religion But he's anti-Jewish people Yes so I think he's saying That black people were the The actual Israelites

Right And somehow have been pushed out And sort of history's been manipulated So I guess that's why he's anti-Jewish people Right they're the fake Yeah Yeah, I'm not sure. And he's the son of God.

Good? Yep. And he also changed his name, obviously, as you should. To Yahweh, Ben, Yahweh. Yahweh, Ben, Yahweh. Where's the Ben come from? Apparently it translates to the Lord's son of the Lord. The Lord, son of Ben, the Lord.

Yeah, Ben. So Yahweh is the Lord, I think. So I'm guessing Ben is son of. Kind of like in Italian where it's like, duh. Is that what like Ben Kenobi is son of Kenobi? But I mean he's Ben. He's his own son. Oh my God.

Yeah, it's confusing. But also beautiful. Yeah. Yeahway Ben Yahweh. It really rolls off the tongue. I like the sound of it. Well, great, because I'm going to say it a lot. On yahweh benyawai.com, it says,

Yahweh ben Yahweh is bringing about changes in the lives of individuals and is giving the world the keys to success in life. politically, economically, educationally, socially and spiritually. What else is there? Financially. Oh, economically. Damn it. Yeah, they're really.

What about food? Yeah, dieterally. Thank you. I was like hungrily? Well, you're going to have to look elsewhere for answers. Yeah, for food, huh? So, yeah, they... Artistically?

Yeah, what about artistically? No, you're going to have to look for a different... What about psychologically? Was that one of them? Yeah, no. I don't think you, you could probably squeeze that in across the board. True. Sexually?

Yeah, sexually. Is that in there? Doesn't mention it. Any rough riders? Socially, I mean. Every weird cult's going to go there though, isn't it? Probably. I haven't gone into that at all.

Yeah. They go hand in hand, don't they? Colts and orgies. Hand, hand in other things. Hand in hand in. They go hand in butt, don't they? Hand in butt. Hand in button hand.

Button hand. Circle of life is complete. Circle of life. I'm so sorry. Don't you bring Elton into this. Is that Elton? Yeah. Is this a song up?

You-hoo. After Rosia's football career came to an end, he travelled around the country. It's back to Rosia now. Searching for meaning, I suppose. And in the year of our Lord, 1981, he found the name. nation of Yahweh in Miami. Followers of the sect had to wear all white, flowing white, and they'd wear turbans as well. Love that, yes.

And take the surname Israel. So they all had to take the same surname. That's confusing. Then you wouldn't remember who's your sibling and who isn't. Yeah. Whose butt can I put my hand in it? I mean, I imagine he already has that trouble with 14 siblings. Yeah, he would run out.

There's a different guy. This is Rosia now. That was. Oh, yeah. Rosie is the football. But Yahweh Ben Yahweh is still in his own. But he's also got a different name there. He just calls everyone Israel except for himself.

Yeah. That's why. Maybe he's just bad remembering names. If you're in charge of a cult, I reckon some of the rules you have are just to fix things that you're going to have trouble with. I've got a bird memory. All right, everyone's called the same name. Well, just call them all like brother and sister.

You know, like. He probably just calls them, oh, hello, Israel's son. Yes. Everyone. Israel's son, great silver chair song. Is that what you're referring to? Yes. Maybe their best tune.

Wow. Controversial. Really? I don't know. I think... You're okay? You cough? Sorry.

Had a little something in my throat. Oh. It was scorn for your opinions. What do you think Silver Chair's best song is? I was just being silly. Clearly straight lines. Maybe the door. Such a bad song.

Straight lines is a good song. One song of the year in Australia. Oh, yeah. Longing up a fever. I think that. is a rock solid pop song. And I will fight you. It's great to play on like a Toyota ad or something.

You don't listen to it in your spare time. Well, I'm not saying listen to it in your spare time. But I am saying put it in your Toyota ads. That's great. While you're driving down the Great Ocean Road? Yeah, for sure. And you're towing something? Driving in a straight land.

They rewrite it. That's how much money they spent on it. Yeah. He's called Israel now. Oh, yes. So he's changed his name now to Naraya, Israel. You get to pick a first name. That means something like, child of God.

Naraya. It's quite pretty. And do you get the feeling that he went straight into this, or there's a bit of courting process where he sort of dabbled in it a bit? It feels like he was maybe searching for something. I think he was just walking past one day. Hey, do you want to change your name to Israel? Why not?

Yes. Want to wear white? Or they did that thing where they're like, if you joined today, no joining fee. Yes. That's how I joined the gym. That's how they got me too. Yeah, I think, I imagine.

I imagine he was searching for something, meaning or whatever, and that helps. But yeah, there must have been some time. But also, as often cult leaders are described, this guy was described as Yahweh Ben Yahweh. He was described as charismatic. So maybe he just went a little wink. Matt, would you, and I'm not, I'm not fishing here. I want a genuine answer. I'm not charismatic.

Certainly not. Okay, thank God. I never want to start a cult. I feel like it's a lot of admin. Yeah. And a lot of like, it'd be worse than being a teacher where like kids are just coming out. You've got all their dumb kid problems. Now you've got dumb adult problems and they're all just winging at you and you're like,

oh my God, sort it out. I think the hardest thing is the dumb questions. Like you have to keep a lot of balls in the air where they ask you a question. You're like, when's the rapture coming? Oh, next week. But you said last week. No, no, I said week after next week's next week. You've got to do a lot of lying.

Yeah, too much effort. Straight lying. I'm too honest. You are too honest. To honest. To honest. Oh, sorry, too honest. And apparently not charismatic.

Wow. And you didn't even hesitate with that answer? Dave, do you think I'm character? No. Wow. Okay. Absolutely. I wouldn't join your cult.

All right. Well, that's a relief, to be honest. Hmm. Wow, this is a sort of contradicting sounds there. Yeah, I don't. That's a relief. Humph. I don't know how to feel.

My best friends think I lack charisma. But you make up for that with a bit of chutzpah. Hutzpah. You got that in... You got hutsper, you got droids. You got, I don't know, like a certain... How do you say? Je.

Not juge. What is that word? Geneseque. Correct. That's what I was reaching for. Bon. Yes. Trebon. Trebon.

Trebon. Oh, we. Trebon on. As the group grew, so did their empire. That old cults... That is a great sentence. Yes. So did their empire.

I mean, what are they getting? Like castles? This is from the New York Times. They had a huge temple, basically like a religious castle, a four-story apartment building. Where do they fund this? In New York, oh, so not New York, Miami, yeah. Restaurants, stores, houses and a hotel in Miami, and a hotel and restaurant in Atlanta, as well as hundreds of white cars, vans, buses, and 18-wheeler trucks.

How do they fund all this? I think they get people to go. sell cheap their own property. Oh, we own all that stuff now. I assume that's what's happening. Wow. And I also just people come in and just give them everything. Do you have any idea how many members they've got?

They've got hundreds of cars? Well, around this time, they had about 300 in that area, but it's spreading across the country as well. Wow. In 2001, the Miami Herald reported that the Empire's value at its peak was potentially somewhere around $100 million. Wow. That's huge.

But then they talk it up slightly even more on their own website. Yawaybenyaway.com. And I'm, I didn't think about this, but I'm definitely on a list now that I've multiple times gone back to this website. It's real, it looks like it was designed at the time in 1979. It is old-school internet. Anyway. I mean, they designed it before the internet. Yeah.

Incredible. Yeah, in a way, I guess if you look at it from that perspective, that is pretty incredible. Yeah. They're, they're like, they've created the internet. They're pre-internet. This is directly from the website. In 1979, Yawai Ben Yawai came to Miami and became the spiritual leader and founder of the nation of Yahweh. Although he took a vow of poverty, in seven years, he guided the nation to amass a $250 million empire.

Under his direction, the nation of Yahweh has grown to encompass disciples, followers, and supporters in over 1,300 cities within the US and 16 foreign countries. Isn't that? I found that interesting that they mentioned both his vow of poverty and all the wealthies amassed. He also has six Ferraris. But he doesn't even,

like he doesn't even drive him. He's so humble. He doesn't even have a license. Wow. But I guess, and I was like, what a weird thing to be bragging about? But then when you start uncovering

some of the accusations and stuff that's going on there, you're like, oh yeah, I'd definitely try to distract people with the shiny things we have as well. Five years after Rosia joined the religion, authorities estimated that there were 300 active cult members in the Miami area. Around that time, in November 1986, Rosia was arrested on multiple murder charges associated with the deaths of Rudolph Broussard and Anthony Brown.

On the arrest report, Rosia apparently listed his age as 404 years. That is so annoying. But then he wrote, young. Mr Rosario, Sissy, you're 400 years young. Yes, young. If you're one of those old people who does that, I love it. Fuck you.

No, really? I love it. Once you get old and you have any... 75 years young? No. Really? If you're old, like, and still having a bit of fun, I'm all about it.

Is that fun for you? Is that the type of fun we can expect from you? Well, I'd like to say that expectations, drop the older you get, the lower the bar. It's like when a big corporation does a tweet, like it doesn't have to be as wacky for it to seem fun, you know? Yeah, okay, sure. The Victorian police force has put out a fake warrant or something, you know.

Oh, that's a bit cute. For like a sport mascot. That's a bit of fun, isn't it? Yeah, for robbing the pies last night. Yeah. Those sort of things. It's like they... Yeah, okay.

So you're saying... Well, like, the famous one that I've heard a few people talk about is the easiest crowd in the world is a tennis audience. Oh, yeah, that's true. It'd be like Jokovic will come out with and he'll swap the racket with the ball boy and go, maybe you have a hit and try and be better and the crowd will just be falling out of their chairs laughing. They're like, this is the best day ever. Tennis crowds. They are the best.

So you're saying that because I'm 28 years young. Yeah, this standard's a whole. My bar is too high. Yeah, you got a high bar. Okay, right. But that's going to lower as I get older. Yeah, yeah, there's a graph that we could show you. And here it is.

So he's 404 years young. It's also wedding speeches. That's another nice little bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're like, get me in there. I'm excited for that because I am a maid of honor at a wedding coming up. And they asked me to obviously make a speech and also just do like a little bit of emceeing for the other speeches. And I'm like, this is great.

This is my crowd. Yeah. I literally do stand up all the time, but these people don't know that. Literally, you do it all the time. All the time. I'm doing it right now. Never all. Please help me switch off.

Old people can be three years. Old people can be funny though. Without even meaning to, for example, yesterday I saw my 92-year-old grandma. 92 years young. Young. And she was recalling a time where when she was 17, she went to a party, like a university party, and someone had spiked the punch, which she didn't know. and that she got a little bit merry.

And that's why your mom was born. No, she said. And then someone found out, and another, a boy drove me home. And she kept referring to him as that little nerd. And it was so funny. That is funny. 92 old. She didn't even mean to be funny.

That little nerd drove me home. Oh, so funny. So funny that she could refer to someone as that little nerd. And it wasn't you for once. My ears, no, my ears pricked up. I'm like, sorry. I was zoned out there. I wasn't around back then, Nana.

Who are you talking about? Oh, not me. Great. Carry on. Let's all laugh at the nerd in that case. That little nerd. She said with such anger too. And it sounds like all he did was a favour for her.

Yeah, drove her home because she might have been, I think she said, overly refreshed. Shit face. Overly refreshed. That's the difference. Like, we would tell our grandkids stories like, And I was Hammond. No, we wouldn't. We'd be responsible.

Thank you. So he put his name. 404. Annoying. Just say 400. I guess he probably, yeah, I wonder. I mean, I'm not going to say I'm 20 because that's wrong. Because he's out.

He's added a weird amount of years to his age. So that's in 86. So he's saying he was born in 1582 instead of 1955. Like, surely you just add. 400 years to your age or something. Sorry, Matt, but I'm going to have to pull you up on the maths there. Damn it. Please do.

1544, is that right? 1542, I mean. Sure. I took, what I did was took 404 off 1986, which was, I can't even understand what I'm talking about now. It's hurting my brain. I want to move on. I want you to move on too because it's also hurting my brain.

But I agree with whatever Dave said then. Me too. Brousard and Brown, I was good at maths in school. I was done. But that was centuries ago. Mass has changed. It's 1842, I believe. Maths has changed since then.

It's different now. Yeah, I went to school with Theorem. Pythagoras? Pythagoras. Therium. It's not even Theorem. Oh, dear. Brousard and Brown had strongly, so the two victims,

Bruce Arden Brown had strongly resisted efforts of the nation of Yahweh to take over their apartment complex. So that's why they ended up being taken out. Jesus. According to Michael Newton writing in an encyclopedia, of modern serial killers. Detectives reported that Rosia's fingerprints had also been found at the scene of two random murders

where transients were killed. Their ears slashed off. Ew. Rosie was sentenced to 22 years, but was offered a deal. If he would testify against Yahweh Ben Yahweh, they would reduce his sentence. And he took this deal.

And his testimony was explosive. Oh, wow. So there was, within the cult, There was a small group of guys known as the Death Angels. The Death Angels. And Rose. Great metal band. Me too, man.

Death. Jay, let's do it at the same time. Death. Yeah, sick. I just did the maths on that thing, too. I was wrong. Damn it. So we were both wrong.

I was taking 444. I can't remember what you said now, but I was taking a 444. 4.4. So I'm so embarrassed. So you're both dickheads. Just be more like me and don't even try. He was back to the tape. Matt may have been right.

My brain is throbbing right now. In a bad way. Rough writing on the brain. No. But I had to say that just to stop the army of tweets that were going to be like, Dave, he was so smart. Again, they've already tweeted. I know. Well, delete that fucking tweet.

Yeah. Retract that, thank you. Death angels. I retracted mine. You retract yours. Go on, Tim. I'm looking at you. As a death angel for Yahweh Ben Yahweh,

Rosie told the jury that they did everything from driving a bus to killing someone if necessary. Similar tasks, yes. Well, I think he's listing the spectrum there. No, I do love our occupation, death angel, slash bus driver. Slash assassin. It is a big spectrum, though.

No, I understand the spectrum. No, but where do you go? What's the next one along from bus driving? I don't know, like picking up treats. Picking up treats. Somebody's going to do the groceries. So picking up treats is slightly closer to killing than driving a bus. Wow, good point.

Picking up poison treats. There we go. Much closer to death. So from driving a bus to killing someone if necessary, beating, hanging, burning, stoning, decapitation. Fuck. That also was escalating there. Yeah.

But still, bus driver is level one. Yeah. Beating's not very nice, but you could live through that. Did you know that? The bus drivers are on a slippery slope. They're right up the top, but every time you see a bus driver from now, I just know, they're on a spectrum. And that spectrum ends in decapitation.

You know that little wave they do to each other? That's sinister. Yeah, that's a threat. What about other modes of transport say, I don't know, a tram? Oh, what? We're talking about Mesa. Yeah, who we led into this studio very often. Do you think he's involved?

He started as a bus driver. Oh dear. The scale has really... So trams won after buying poison candy. Yeah, that's right. By poison candy, you drive a tram and then the next is beatings. Then... It goes straight from trams to beatings?

Yeah, that's his next promotion. He drives the tram route that is now my local tram route at my house. It's also my local tram route. It goes past my house. Oh my God. He's doing this on purpose. Yeah, every day he's doing a drive-by. He's looking at me.

sinisterly. Yeah. So, they home? Yes. Interesting. He's tracking our movements. Once he saw me

taking out the bins. He did not. Hang on. Now he knows what bin night is. What night is it? Bomb night. It's going to put a bomb in my bin.

What night's bin night for you? Well, it goes out on a Monday night. It gets picked up on Tuesday morning. But I'm not putting it out on the chest. Then what happens on a Wednesday. Take the bin for a drink on Wednesday. Thursday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

chill on Sunday. The bin cycle starts again. Chili bin, just for our Kiwi listeners. You're welcome. A bit of fun there. It means Esky. They're both weird words. Wait, Esky doesn't make, I don't think Esky travels outside.

What do they call it in America? A cooler. Cooler. Oh, that is cooler. Probably makes the most sense out of them all. And obviously the British don't require them. I'll put it on your window ledge. I'll be icy cold.

You fucking cold. I put it in the fridge to warm it up. No, but thanks for buying tickets to our upcoming shows. Can I do coming over? It's going to be so fun. I love the cold over there. We're coming over drinking a very cold month. Yeah, yay.

I love it. Rosia's testimony led to, for some reason I started calling him YBY from here on, but that's not even... Oh, I love that, though. Oh, I love that, though. Rosie's testimony led to Yby Y and 15 of his white-robed turban followers being charged with at least 14 murders,

including the attempted beheading of one former disciple. What, they didn't quite get it off? How close do they get? Pretty close. I don't go into the full graphic details like Jess and Dave. Sorry for those bloodthirsty listeners. But did that person die? Yes.

Well, I assume so. I hope so. I read a lot of these articles with my eyes closed. Yuck! Yuck! So, yeah, charges the 40 murders, the attempted beheading, one former disciple, also the firebombing of a black neighborhood in Delray Beach, according to the LA Times, who reported on it at the time of the trial.

Before the trial kicked off, YBY called a Washington television talk show and described Rosia as a serial killer who led a small group of rogue murderers who acted on their own. So it was nothing new with him. Wow. Sounds about right. Before YBY was arrested in November 1990 A very good year

He was seen as a community role model The best year that has ever happened And will ever happen Yep, it's all downhill from here Because 1990 was the peak Dave, am I right? The best Isn't that unfortunate for you too

Because you missed most of it Yeah, it's true And also, you know, I mean you were shit and your pants For the rest of the... And that was The peak. I only got like four months of it, but they were good. At that time, I was a dancer in Vegas.

They were the glory years of Vegas. What kind of dancing? Tap. Yep. I can see that. Hand tap. Are you upside down? Upside down.

That is awesome. Yeah. So you're doing a handstand the whole time. Yeah. You got shoes on your feet? On your hands, sorry? And my feet. Yeah, obviously.

I mean, you're going to go out of their barefoot like an animal. Separate tap. on each finger. A tap, a tap, a tap. Dave, of course. Oh, good, sorry. I haven't seen a tap show for a while. Yeah, okay.

A couple of months now. We're not, I mean, this podcast called Do Go On Not Hand Tap Basics 101. Yeah. Basics 101. That's the introduction of basics. This podcast isn't called Stupid Questions 101. Yeah. That was the original title.

That would probably be appropriate. Not as catchy. So before he was arrested, he was. seen as a community role model, which is YBY. Before, he was even credited with being instrumental in driving drug dealers from some inner city neighborhoods. He was also a member of... Like giving them a lift in these buses.

Let me drive you to the next neighbourhood. And then you can sell some drugs there. They've got heaps of cash. Cut me in. He was a member of the Chamber of Commerce. That's pretty good. And around a month before his arrest, the mayor of Miami, even... named a day in his honour.

A month. Around a month before he's arrested. That is bad PR timing, isn't it? Hey, let's just get a photo with this guy. Front page, let's do it. That's a classic sort of... I love the handshake pose. It's my favourite.

I love doing it when there's no cameras around. When you look at... Anyway, a little bit I do. Keep your eyes out for it. Gosh, you're fun. Bit of a day-to-day bit. A month beforehand. Just a casual bit.

I think it's fun. to have day-to-day bit. I mean, but seriously, though, their PR team, they've just had a member of this man's church arrested for murder, and then they've said, the leader said, no, no, he's just an assassin that's got their own team that's gone rogue, I'm still good, and they've gone, look, let's still name a day after him. I knew a bit sus, just in case, wait to see how this plays out.

Yeah, it was very tight on it, yeah, but I don't know if that... I mean, we've already printed the new calendars. It's November. It's November. I mean, we got it. We got to hand out these calendars. The prosecution's case stated he did not deserve to be revered, obviously. It would be weird for the prosecution and be like, he seems great. He does seem great. I'm so sorry to have to bring you down, sir, but he also did some bad things.

And we all make mistakes. Anyway, happy YBY day. The LA Times reported that he was accused of teaching that black people were the true Jews living in the land of the white devils. Sorry, but true Jews is fun to say. True Jews. Yeah. He also, they also reported that he allegedly demanded retributions for insults or historical injustice in the form of murder, often insisting that his death angels bring back fingers, ears, or the heads of victims as proof of their deeds,

which explains the missing ear for that. Probably should have asked this earlier, but is this guy still alive? And are we as one, white devils and two, white devils making fun of this guy at risk by putting this podcast out? Oh dear. No, he's dead.

Right, good. Otherwise Miami would be struck from the US tour forever. Sorry, Miami. Sorry, guys, it's not you, it's him. Yeah. We're scared of him. Yeah, isn't it? That is...

Also, is he recognized? their specific ear? You'd bring back any ear and he's like, that's Mary Jane. Yep, she said some shit about me, but I've got her ear. And does he take the ear off you?

So like, let's say you cut off one ear and then after that you don't murder people and you're just like, here's the ear of the next person I murdered. No, three months old. Yeah. You get a taxidermied.

Stuffed ear. Sounds like a delicacy. Also, does it really prove you've killed someone? No. Just proves they've got an owie. You've got to bring them their heart or something.

And again, you could get a sheep's heart from a butcher. Yeah. One of his degrees was human anatomy. Damn it. He's good. I assume. He bloody studied a lot. Good.

So yeah, you would have noticed me mentioned before that one of Rosie's victims was missing in here, and that is why. Oh, right. So he killed him, took the year. Yep. I read somewhere that he, one of the random white killings, he found someone who was, maybe it was even the first one something some people said that to to join the cult you had to kill a white devil and that was one of sort of like the hate the not hazing but the initiation sort of thing and bring back body part and rosier somewhere read that he found a guy who was a bit he was drunk

and dozing in his car so he killed him and he cut off his ear and then um drop the ear and couldn't find it so i had to go back get the other ear get the other ear oh that that full on. That's gross. You get back in... And so frustrating. You're like, oh, I've got to double back. It's like when you leave your keys at work or something, you know?

You go to the shops and you get everything but the thing your body went there to get. I literally, I went to a cafe this morning for breakfast with my wallet, forgetting that I'd taken my ID and my credit card out of my wallet last night. Oh, that says big night last night. Or maybe. I don't know. No, just put it in a smaller purse. And so then I was like...

For a big night or? You know what they say? Small purse, big night. That's what they say. Small the purse, the bigger, the night. Yeah. And it was a sparkly purse. Oh, the sparkly of the purse, the bigger, the purse.

So it'll kind of be in that sparkly. Exactly. It's like mirrors. Sparkles are like mirrors. You put mirrors in a room looks bigger. Yeah, exactly. Spackle on a purse looks bigger. It's actually quite a small purse, but it looks big.

Yeah. So yeah, I get it. Same thing happened to me. What are you talking about? Leaving something behind. It's cutting up in ear. I mean, so it never said where he'd drive. or what he did with you.

No. Yeah. That's gross. Gross, gross. I mean, he left and then remembered, hang on, I left the ear on the man's head. I've got to go back. I didn't cut it off.

You'd feel like a bloody goose, wouldn't you? Sorry about this. Oh gosh, what am I like? Scatter Brian. What am I like? He's just chatting at the corpse. Oh, boy. Are we to assume that if there's 300 members,

there's been 300 murders to get in? I mean, none of this has been, like these, There's so many, because it's a secretive cult, how much do you believe of what anyone really says? Sure. What are their motives? Rosie is saying all this to get his own sentence reduced. Yeah. And, you know.

Who do you believe? Well, it is tricky. You know, I imagine the truth lies somewhere in between, but it does seem like all of the people involved are bad in some way. Like quite bad. Right. Somewhere between bus driver and decapitator bed. Yeah, somewhere in there. Like a tram driver bad.

Oh, dear. Oh, I don't know. I don't know if anyone's the monster. Sorry. The LA Times described the proceedings as surreal. So this case, I love how they described it. And they said it was a bit surreal due to the matter-of-fact tone of Rosie's bloody recollections. So as he's talking about these things, he's just sort of just telling a story.

That'd be so chilling to listen to, you know? Just talking about it, you're just sitting there like, oh. So I had to go back cut off his other ear. God, didn't I feel silly? So go back there. And then one of the other disciples is all. already there chopping it off. I said, hey, mate, this is my bloody corpse. Can you believe that guy? Can you believe that? Along with a colourful cast of characters in the courtroom. Oh, that's fun.

I don't have haven't said that, Ella. Colorful cast of characters in the courtroom. And the judge presiding over the trial, US district judge, Norman C. Rottga Jr., who had an oversized handle by a mustache and a baritone voice and has been known to carry a handgun in an ankle holster. So it just sounded like it was like everyone was a cartoon character almost. Let's just go over that description again. So oversized hand by a mustache. Yep. With a baritone voice.

So far it's Matt's dad. Yeah, it's really. And has been known to carry a handgun in an ankle holster. Confirmed. Matt's dad. Papa? Is that you? Papa?

Where you been, Papa? As well as this, some of the defendant's lawyers, because each defendant had a lawyer and there was 16 of them. So there's a lot of lawyers. And it's all in one court. room? Yes. That is. Too many lawyers. So all the defendants were sitting together. Do they know what's causing it? And so they described some of these lawyers sound like characters as well, including representing YBY Y, former federal judge, Alcy Hastings, a courtly man who was impeached by Congress

in 1989 and removed from the bench after being implicated in a bribery scandal. What does courtly mean? Bloody belongs in a court, which makes sense. Got it. He's in the right place. Courtly, Dave. Court like. Right, great. Like tennis court?

No further questions. Dave's a bit courtly himself. He needs a bit courtly. He's a bit courtly, boy. I'll allow it. Objection. Granted. Overruled.

Sustained. I'm going to allow it. I've watched legally blonde. The attorney for another defendant was mugged and pistol whip at a Miami gas station just before, and for a while sat at the defense table holding his heavily bandaged right hand in the air. Oh, I was hoping heavily bandaged blood.

I was holding it in the air. Do you have a question? No. Just getting the blood to circulate. Thank you. Holding it in the air. What's going on? This is the craziest court, remember?

When Rosia took the stand, Assistant U.S. Attorney Trudy Novitschki his first question was, how many people have you killed or helped to kill? straight off the bat. Love it. To the point. Love your work, Trudes.

And as I was saying before, which is very matter of factly, Rosia answered, seven, going on to say that six of those killings were following the orders of Yahweh, Ben Yahweh, and the seventh was a beggar who annoyed him

by persisting to ask for money and cigarettes. I ended up killing him and throwing him in the water, Rosie said. Jesus. So six, he said because he was told to him, when he was brainwashed.

The other one. It's just annoying. Oh man. Quit bugging me for change in cigarettes. It made me feel sick. I mean, then they were all terrible, but just the fact that it's like, oh, you are annoying.

That's fucked. Yeah, so this guy, I mean, this is what I mean, like how much do you believe the words this guy's saying? Yeah. He's obviously, you know. It's not quite right. The other murderers,

the other murders were either white people chosen at random, or black people who had insulted YBY in some way. For his testimony, Rosia was freed early. Obviously, that was the exchange. No charges. No, he spent quite, I think about 10 years in prison. It was like, it was 22 years, wasn't it? So they reduced his sentence.

He was only going to get 22 years for seven killings. Yeah, isn't that? How is that not life plus life plus life? Yeah, I don't understand, which probably means I've missed something here. But anyway, so he was free early and given a new eye. identity and the witness protection program. He said he was a changed man after his time in prison, studying for a master's degree and learning multiple new languages.

So he spent 10 years in prison, then went out there with a different name and got to just live a normal life. Yeah. But now he speaks Spanish. And I think, yeah, I think he's normal for some people today. Five different languages. True. Live a normal life.

Yeah, except that he speaks Spanish. No, but like he's like, he just reinvents himself. Yeah, he's just like a new person now. I'm no Miguel, so whatever. No big deal. And you asked about YBY before. In 1992, Yahweh Ben Yahweh was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder

and sentenced to 18 years in prison. That's still not enough time. He was released on parole only nine years later, and in 2007 was released from parole after his lawyer, Ms. Weintraub, asked the court to let him die with dignity. It was like... Anyway.

Which obviously allowed, but he did die soon after. He had cancer and he was soon to die. And he died at the age of 71. On the Yahweh Nation website, obviously. So that's, like, that's for them, that's their equivalent of Christianity's Jesus dying. Dying, right. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah.

On their, which is an interesting thing as well, because on their website, they say that they're into the teachings of the Bible and of YBY being the son of God. But half of the Bible is all about Jesus being the son of God. So I don't, maybe they're just Old Testament. I'm not sure. But anyway. Just like second marriage, different, mum. Right.

Two kids. So this is how they described his death on their website. On Monday, May 7th, 2007 at 7.55pm, our founder and savior, YBY, completed his first journey on earth and ascended to stand with his father. Yahweh in the heavens. So yeah, and I didn't really think about that until then. It's like, oh yeah, so even through all the trial and stuff, but to them they'd say, you know, this is all, this is all a test or whatever.

You know, there's always a way to. Yeah, it's been everything. Wow. Right. And so there are still people that obviously practice. Yeah, it's still going on. I mean, this was obviously a big hit for them, but it is, it's still going. They're still followers.

Yeah. Then there's sort of a bit of an adept. end them at the end. On February 5th, 1999, police in Cameron Park, California, arrested a man named Robert Ramses for bouncing a $66 check to an auto parts store. According to the 13th 4.tv As Ramsey's sat in a cell, Cameron Park Police tracked a total of 29 bounce checks for video rentals, groceries and bar tabs totaling more than $2,000, enough to bring the misdemeanor charge up to a felony. Ramsey's then confessed to more than the checks, he revealed, that his name was Robert Rosia.

Rosia was sure that once the Cameron Police checked, they would realize they couldn't charge him with the checks. So this is... All right, because he's a witness protection guy. Yeah, that's right. As Robert Ramsey's, he lived a pretty normal life, as Dave said. Only spoke Spanish. Wow.

Owning a Sacramento auto detailing business as well as working construction jobs. He was also a regular at a local pub. Rosia's logic in blowing his cover to the cops was this. I took them in a confidence and let them know who I was. I was a guy who had cooperated with police, several police agencies and the United States government. I figured they'd think let's not blow his cover with a little check charge. But that was his logic. Instead, though, according to the Sacramento B, a newspaper over there,

El Dorado authorities upgraded his misdemeanor case to a felony check fraud and tracked the total 29 checks, which got over the 2000 limit, which meant it could be a felony, and they were for those little things, video rentals, groceries, ties, bar tab. Rosia claims there was a bank error, but authorities say he knowingly wrote checks on a closed account.

Under California's three strikes law, which allows a life sentence, even if the third offence isn't a serious or violent felony, Rosia was charged by Judge Eddie T. Keller and sentenced him to serve 25 to life, which he's currently doing. Right, as Rosier. As Rosier. So for admitting to killing seven people who sentenced to 22 years reduced to 10,

but for Czech kiting, which they call it, 25 to life. And he's still behind bars. And that is the end of my report. That was in 99. That is insane. Wow. He should have been in for life to start with. But now it's like you've written $2,000 worth of bad checks.

for tiny little things. No, that's it. Life in prison. Clearly the cops checked and went, well, this guy's a multi-murderer and he's just living a normal life, ripping off grocery stores. Fuck him.

Yeah, I guess that's kind of the idea. Whoa. Isn't it? Yeah, it is interesting. And they say this sort of helps. One of the police officers who was involved or prosecutor said this scenario helps explain

why it makes sense that the third strike shouldn't have to be violent because they can use it in this way. Right. I'm not sure I'd usually agree with that. Yeah. I know it's all, all this stuff is very tricky. But in this case, it feels like justice did finally get so.

Yeah, but just in such a weird way. Yeah. And him, he offered up that information. I believe that they wouldn't have been able to find it out if he didn't offer it to them. Right. So he might have just gone to jail as. you know, for a month or something. Yeah.

As Ramsey's. Yes. So. But he thought, no, I don't want to do that. Yeah. I'll get out of this. I'll get out of it. They'll let me go.

They'll let me go because I've murdered seven people before. Do you know who I am? He was more, yeah, more focusing on the help he gave rather than the seven murders he owned up to. Whoa. Including one because he was. Annoyed. annoyed. Yeah.

So it's a, I mean, it's a full-on, story. Multi-layered. So the way I put up these topics to be voted on by the patrons was I did the second chance draw that we do occasionally. So I put up five topics that had come second in previous polls for me. Cool. And a couple of nights ago, I'm like, all right, time to write the report.

I checked in and it was 176 apiece for two different topics. No. 176 apiece. So I was just sitting there refreshing. I had a night put aside to write the report. And I'm going, come on, someone vote. Please. And it was like 45 minutes later, someone voted.

I'm like, all right. Got to cut it off there. Cut it off there. Yep. So this one 177. Yeah. Tight race. But yeah, there was a, there was, I reckon that second one I'll have to put up for a third

chance draw at some point because it has been stiff. Obviously very popular. This is really cool. I'd never heard of any of this. No, that's fascinating. Yeah. And it was just only the one once. I think that that tells you how little known it is,

is that only one person in all the thousands of suggestions we've had only the one time has it been suggested. It was beaten by the last time it was up. It was up against Space Jam, Michael Jordan. Oh, of course. It was a sport one. Which was funny because in the thing I said Robert Rosier footballer and murderer, I'm like, this is probably we beat Michael Jordan and all these other ones. And I did.

And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. But it did come across. close second. Yeah. Cool. So yeah, I know I find these ones very, very uncomfortable. You did great, even though you had your eyes closed for most of that report. That's right. And he didn't describe how someone nearly had their head cut off. Yeah. An attempted decapitation is a very confusing sentence. I mean, I mean, you could try and not even break the skin and be like, all right, go on, get out of here. Yeah. I could just like touch your neck and be like, oh, tried. I tried to karate chop your head off and it didn't work.

Go on, your little scam. Second chance. Your little scam. Get out of here, your little cutie, patootie. How many karate chops would it take? How many would it take? That's you standing there, like fed up. How many karate chops would it take?

I've done seven. I'm not even halfway. He's just walking away. Come back here. He's rubbing his neck. Ow. Help. Anyone got any ice?

Get back here. Come back here. Hey ya And a hayya I think your hand Would wear up before your neck Definitely Unless you've got sharp hands

Old blade hands over here That sounded like Whitney Houston Hey ya Yeah We'll always chop you It feels like Is that the silliest thing we've ever done I don't even think it is

Not even top ten That's me honest. Not even close. That's silly. Oh, great report, Matt. And thank you to who suggested that. That was suggested by Dave.

Oh, yes, of course. Sorry. Siebj. Sieber. Or Siba. Sibyborg. So it's a sign G. She came across it in Iceland, but no one in America had suggested it to us.

Yeah. That's cool. And we hadn't heard of it at all. That's really cool. So the first G and Sia Bjrug is silent. I think it's Siga. Seiga. Sega Borg

The master system Now it is time I should also say Because I think there has still been some confusion about this People occasionally will say I don't I'm not on Patreon So I know I'm not meant to suggest topics

But that's not necessary Anyone can suggest a topic Of course Often we just pick at random Because it sounds cool Because you go to do go on pod dot com You click submit a topic Or suggest a topic

It takes you to do a thing And you fill out like a little form And you get to tell us a little pitch really. Yeah. We definitely read those. Oh, that's so helpful. Yeah, you go, oh, this sounds really cool.

Well, Sigabjorg, her pitch was, I mean, read the name. I love it. She's confident. Other times people have Jess Perkins level of Hutzpah. Sure. But not the charisma. Well, they have charisma unlike you yourself. Yes.

So, yeah, there'll be a link to that in the show description notes below. What the patrons get to do is what we put up. topic ideas and then they vote. So they have a more direct choice. They narrow it down. Choose from a list, but anyone can suggest it any time, absolutely. And now it is time for a different Patreon reward, which is fact, quote or question. Cue.

Fact quote or question. I was about to say Q theme, but I only had to say Q. I added a ding. Do you like it? Yeah, it was beautiful. Every week, a certain extra sound will be added. Oh, that's pressure. So this week it is from Trey Maverick

Trey This is his second time In the fact quote of question What are you got for us Trey You also as well as getting to give us a fact quote or question You also get to give yourself a title And Trey has given himself the title Executive Vice Provost

Is it Provost? Provost I'm assuming that's a silent S T Provost Executive Vice Provo of overseas Fingless Glove development Oh, yes. I definitely need those. I need someone on the ground in every country developing the gloveless fingers, but do go on. Wow. Can you look at what Provost means? Yeah, I'm Googling because I don't know that term. Provost. A senior academic administrator, otherwise at many institutions of higher education in the US and Canada.

The equivalent in the UK is a pro-vice chancellor or in Australia it's the deputy vice chancellor. Oh, a deputy vice chancellor. Now, you put it like that. So we don't get that here. Provost is a cooler word. Yeah, much cooler. Than Deputy Vice Chancellor. Yes.

Yeah, Deputy... Which is three words. Deputy Dog. Deputy Provost? Very good. I like it. And this is what he's going with. He's gone with a quote.

And this is it. When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant, I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years. So that's the quote And then Trey added in Loll, am I right?

And did he attribute who said that? He said the quote was originally attributed to Mark Twain But it's recently... I was going to say it sounds like Mark Twain. But it's recently been proven that Twain is an unlikely source of the quote In part because Twain's own father died when he was 11. I guess that was kind of a quote and a fact.

Oh, very good. Thank you so much, Trey. He just did say witty things like that, so we could have just said that. True. But I also reckon people probably sometimes will go, I got a funny little thing. I'll attribute it to Mark Twain and we'll get it out there. Yeah. Do you reckon?

I don't know. Do you reckon? I reckon. Oh, Dave, what do you reckon? I reckon that Matt reckons. Anyway, that's all we've got time for in What Do You Reckon? A new segment we're doing here, do go on. And the other Patreon segment, Dave, at the end of the show, is...

Well, we'd like to give a shout out and thank by name some people directly that contribute to the Patreon every week. And if you're not familiar, you can go to patreon.com slash do go on pod and check out the rewards. The biggest reward, of course, is helping the show. That's for us anyway. But you also get individual stuff like you get to vote on topics, as Matt said. You get to have the fat quote or question. You get pre-sales and stuff. a couple of bonus episodes. That's right, two episodes every single month, just the Patrons here.

And also, like we're about to do now, some shoutouts and thanks by name. Normally along with this, Jess gives us a fun little game, something to do with the names. Well, yeah, what I was thinking was either naming their cult. Oh, yeah. You know? Something like some version of the nation Yahweh. Yeah. And how about we, and what they're about and let's make them.

Yes. Friendly cults. Mine's all decapitation based cults. But you decapitate like ice creams. Yeah. Yeah. And once you've eaten that ice cream. Teddy bear biscuits.

Yeah, once you've eaten the ice cream, you've got a lot of energy and then you can start karate chopping people on the neck till they die. Why are you doing it on your knee then? To make a great sound. Hear that? I don't think that'll really pick up. Well, it sounded vicious. Matt, do you, when you eat a teddy bear biscuit, do you eat it head first? Yes.

Put it out of its misery. Yeah, yeah. Then eat the rest. You eat its foot first. What the fuck is wrong with you? Well, I don't eat it first. I put it, I dip it into a boiling liquid. Oh, Jesus, Dave.

Good heavens. Feet first, though. Yeah, no, we still got that. I don't want to drain. Oh, geez. He's not done yet. We wish you would be done. I would love to thank, if I may.

Please. One of our fun, Patrons from Minas. Minnetonka. I was about to go off half cocked and just assume that said Minnesota. What a fool I would have made of myself. Minnetonka. From Minnetonka, that's cool. That is fun.

I've never heard of Minnetonka before. I'd love to thank Leroy and Leslie Chappelle or Chapel. Chapel obviously already got great religious cult connotations going on. Jess, what do you have got there? Okay, okay. I'm thinking the sunshine bunch. The sunshine bunch, that's fun. I've just looked up.

Minotonkers in Minnesota. Perfect. They love their minas over there. And they also love sunshine. The sunshine state. And they hand out bunches of sunflowers because they like to spread love. This is a nice cult.

Yeah, we said they were nice, they were friendly cult. You went fucked and weird. But that's you. I mean, I just don't think there is a cult that isn't fucked and weird. Okay. Well, we're, he doesn't get it. Matt.

The Minnetonka Millers is a baseball club that are state champions in 2015, 2016 and 2017. Wow. Let's all else have a go. Minotonka. That sounds great for, but they're also, they've also got a club called Minotonka Dynamo, who's a bandy club. What's that mean? I don't know. But they were champions in 94, 98 and 2000.

Bandy. I'm batting above their average. Bloody hell. So thank you very much. Leroy and Leslie. We don't often get a couple patron. Love that. Leroy and Leslie.

We love love. Or brother and sister. We love? What? Brotherly love. Ever heard of it? It's a couple of states over, mate. Oh, Philly.

Philly, Pennsylvania. The city of brotherly love. Is that right? Yeah, Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. Jesse heard that little? No! Isn't that a great name for a city? I get it.

I made a mistake a while ago. saying someone, we thank someone from Philadelphia and I said, go pens and someone tweeted saying, don't say that they are arch enemies. And I forgot that pens meant penguins and not Pennsylvania. Cause the team in the city of brotherly love is of course the Flyers. Obviously. Go Flyers. Should be the brothers.

Oh, that'd be good. That was a mistake on their part. I'll have a word. Thank you. Who else do you like to thank? Oh, can I thank another? I'd love to thank. Oh, please.

Please, sir. Can I thank another? From Narvik in the state of no, short for something else, I'd love to thank Lars Rones Olson. Ooh. Love a triple banger. Often serial killer's names. Like, isn't it normally they get a triple bang in it?

And sorry, Lars, but Lars Rones Olson is a serial killer name. Where did you say he's from? Narvick. Narvick in No. I believe that's Norway. Norway. How cool is that? Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, it's in Norway. Wow. Hey, Lars, you're all right with me. What's the cult? It's the cult of the candy canes. Oh! And they all go around with candy canes. They dance in a big candy cane circle.

Yeah. Well, that's not surprising because Navik is quite far north and not that far from the North Pole. Santa himself. It's pretty far north on the... Look, that's right up there. Wow. That is amazing.

He probably gets the 24-hour sunlight in their summer, which is pretty awesome. Lars Olson. Lars Olson is a sick name. Lars Olson. I would say, I bet he's beautiful. I would wager that he is our most northernly patron. And our most northernly patron. Thank you.

Did have a second go. And yeah, I reckon you're the most northerly patron, so thank you so much. Awesome. And you just have fun with that cold of the candy cane. Well done. The CCC. Love that. Love that so much.

Yes. I'm sorry. Don't be sorry. Never apologize. I'm just really excited. Dave, would you like to thank some people also? I would love to thank all the way from New Jersey. New Jersey. I'm Morgan in New Jersey. I'm Bruce Springsteen here.

Nice. I'm John Boe Jovi here. Nice. And this is from a fantastic place I didn't know existed, but now I will never forget. Forked River. Get forked. Get forked. This river is forked.

And I would like to thank from there, Marcos Vasquez. Oh, awesome. Vasquez's great name. What a great name, Marcus Vasquez. Thank you, Marcos. I'd like to say also go Rutgers. My college team went to a college football game in New Jersey. New Jersey.

And it was to say the Rutgers or Rutgers. Rutgers. They got smashed. Oh. But it was fun. There was like dancing and big bands and stuff. That sounds fun. They take it seriously over there.

I think that Marcos is part of the Rudigas. Oh, the Rudigas. This little... Is it like a Bart? Yeah, this little Ruddick. His name is Bart. His name is not important. I don't know what Rudiga means, but I love it.

Radiga. What's your name, young man, Radiga. What fun. It took us while he had a Simpsons reference in. We had to get one. Marcos Vasquez and the Rudigas in Forked River. New Jersey. Thanks so much of your support.

Appreciate that. And I'd also like to thank from one continent to another all the way over to G.B. Luton, which has one of London's many airports based out there. His name as well, because I grabbed this before, is London Lad. London Lad. London Lad is what he goes by. Will, aka the London Lad, from Luton. Well, I think he's cults are London lads. Luton, son. Luton.

The London lads very good, and they all play lutes. Yep. Do do do do do do do. Really get that sound out of a lute. Okay, I can't make a plucking sound. No, you sing that whilst... Oh, that's good plucking. Oh, that's good plonking.

No, that's a plonking. Plonking. Will and the London lads said it's... Lovely bottle of plonk. Plunk, blon, plon, plonk, plonk, plonk. Will, that song was dedicated to you and all the London lads out of. there. To you and all that you do.

Stay groovy, baby. Jess was disgusting. Yeah, I didn't like that one. Jess, take us home with a couple of beautiful names. I would like to thank from Toronto in Canada. A brilliant place. Hardy. Fuck your great first name.

Hardy's great name. Oh, bring it home. Come on. I haven't seen the last name. What is it? Hardy Cabral. Ooh. I think.

Cabral. Hardy Cabral. Cardi Cabral. Hardy is great. My name is Hardy Cabral. Prepare to die. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

Hardy Cabral. That's a sick man. Obviously, that lends itself to the Hardy Boys, but also it could be the Indigo Montoya's. Oh, that's a good one. The Inigo Montoyers is great. And what do they get up to? Revenge, mostly. A cult of revenge.

But obviously, not death revenge. No. They'll go, what do they do? They'll put itchy powder in your shampoo. Yeah. And such other things And then they say You did a bad thing

And they wiggle their fingers a lot And they educate It's a revenge Because it comes from a place of being wrong Revengeicate They revengeicate Yeah Do they have Chris Isaac playing all the time

No What a wicked game You played To make me feel this way Revenge You had to hear me cover a Chris Isaac song I think we're square Good day sir

Good day. Carry on. Thank you. We are the Enigo Montoya's. Prepare to have an itchy scup. Hardy Cabral. What a name. So good. So thank you, Hardy. And I'd also like to thank from Liverpool, also in Great Britain, G.B. I'd like to thank. Oh, represent, Jess. David James Gaskell. Oh, Gaskell, the rascal. Gaskell, the rascals. Gaskell, the rascals. The little gascles. Merseyside Rascals. Oh, the little gascles. Oh, the little gascles. No shit. Well done, Dave.

So when you join, you get renamed to a Gaskell? Yeah. Dave Gaskell. He's killed the original Alfalfa. What is that? But he's David Gaskell. What do you get become if you join? You're going to have to take a new first name. Oh, James. David James Gaskell. Oh, hang on. We have the same first and second name.

I'm going to call you Little Gaskell. Oh, I'm the Little Gaskell. You little Gaskell. You little Gaskell. Yeah, somehow you go to like, you've got the... The titular. You're the titular gasco. Everyone thinks it's named after me

and David James Gaskell's like, oh fuck off, mate. I'm the real David James Gaskell. Now, I'm the real David James Gaskill. Yeah. He just ruined his cult. It falls apart in three days because Dave, this day, joins it. Sorry, David James, but a great name.

He would, you, what did you say there as David James Gaskill? Because I'll put it into Liverpool language. Oh, my God. David James Gaskill. He said, I'm the real David James Gaskill. I'm the real David James Gaskill. I'm the real David James Gaskill. Gussle.

Were you playing air bass as you said that? I can only do it by playing Paul McCartney's... What's his little bass brand called? Hoffner. Hoffner. He's also... He plays left-handed, so you're doing it wrong. There we go.

I'm a mirror. You shake your head like a bubble heaven. When I'm P. Macon, I'm mirroring over at the TV. I'm a mirror. I'm a mirror. I just want to think I plonka, you know. A little bit like this. And then, yeah, we had another hit record.

I go in an air. Mostly out, largely out. You're in, you're out, in you're out forever. What a fun time we've had. Geez, it's all to sad. Don't speak for me. No, honestly, I was being ironic.

That was a pretty distressing episode. But to be honest, the Patreon read was one of my favourite for a while. Oh, great. That was the real highlight. The episode was great. I never heard of it. Good Yahweh to you all. Very interesting.

And a good Yahweh to you. Yes. And Yahweh to you. Thank you so. I think we're bordering on offensive now. Thank you so much. Yeah, It's where I like to sit.

Great. On a fence. Sitting on a fence. I did not mean that at all. All right. Sitting on offense. That's great pun work there. Oh, no.

Pan king. Pan king. No, I'm the punk king. Oh, yeah. Punk. Oh, no, I did it again. Oh, it's all play. Dave, I'm looking for you to wrap it up, Jess.

One of us has to do the honours. Jess, I know we all wanted to keep going. Please. Fuck yeah, I'll do it. Tell us about how can people get in contact or follow us or support us or do that stuff? Let me wrap up. You don't have to guide me. Jess, I can do it.

Don't forget to mention. I can do it. I've been here the same amount of episodes you have, David. Have you been here? That's a good question. Really here. Yeah. So we've got a website, apparently.

How long has that been happening? You check that out. I'm not sure what it is. Google do go on. You'll find it, I guess. Probably third one down. It could also go to Facebook. I mean, we really have to work on that if it's coming up third.

That's a site that's been around a while. You've probably got one. Instagram. There's one of those. Do go on pod at that. No, that one. Twitter. Do go on pod.

Are they? Yeah, including the website. Just added dot com. No. Dot au. No. Huh. I mean, you, we really have to, I've just Googled our own podcast title and our podcast.

Website doesn't even come up. My website comes up before it. We really have to work on that. It is to goonpod.com. You can suggest a topic. You can buy merch. You can buy tickets to our live shows. You can get in touch with us.

You can email us at dogoonpod at gmail.com. And also, just by sending us good vibes telepathically, we'll feel them. Oh, we feel them. Yeah. And that wraps up today's show. So until next time, I will say goodbye. Later's. Bye!

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