Do Go On - 155 - The Blood Countess

Episode Date: October 10, 2018

Which infamous serial killer has been called “The most prolific female murderer and the most prolific murderer of the western world’ by the Guiness Book of World Records? It's the Blood Countess, Elizabeth Bathory - a mass murdering noblewoman from the 17th century!This is the second episode of Blockbustober.The Do Go Oniverse is growing! As well as Matt's new podcast Prime Mates, Dave has just launched a new podcast called Book Cheat!Book Cheat:Facebook/Instagram/Twitter: @BookCheatPodhttps://omny.fm/shows/bookcheat/Prime Mates:Facebook/Instagram/Twitter: @PrimeMatesPodhttps://omny.fm/shows/prime-matesOur website: dogoonpod.com Melbourne LIVE show on October 13th : https://www.moshtix.com.au/v2/event/do-go-on-live/105917?&skin=4406&ref=hwlr UK shows : https://dogoonpod.com/events/ Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat  Twitter: @DoGoOnPod Instagram: @DoGoOnPod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/ Email us: [e-mail] Check out our Prime Mates Podcast: https://omny.fm/shows/prime-mates Matt's live shows: mattstewartcomedy.com/gigs REFERNCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/bathorys-torturous-escapades-are-exposedhttps://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/death-countess-elizabeth-bathoryhttps://www.medicalbag.com/grey-matter/the-legend-of-elizabeth-bathory-the-blood-countess/article/472831/https://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/hungarian-countess-serial-killer1.htmhttps://www.britannica.com/biography/Elizabeth-Bathoryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Nádasdyhttps://allthatsinteresting.com/elizabeth-bathory-true-storyhttps://youtu.be/jU98gx4s_yY   Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

Canada, we are visiting you in September this year. If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal, and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates.

And welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnikey and here I am with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Here I am. Here I am as well. What are you singing for? Weird. I mean that might be the sixth or seventh time that that song somehow come up. Well, here comes eight.

Is it I, Lord? Great to be here on the Lord Hour. Oh, man. Whoever wrote that song, what a self-doubt. Is it? Yeah, it is you. I mean, yes, it's you. Yeah.

Jeez, Louise. Is that Lord? Yeah. No, no. Talking like that. I'm not in a blasphemic mood. Thank you very much. Oh.

I'll leave that to you. You heathen child. I'll be the heathen here. I'll feel this one. Beezelbub. That's not how you say it, is it, Dave? How do you say it? Satan.

Why don't I go with Satan? Yeah, it seems easier. Satan always seems easier. But fear the Dark Lord. Yes. Don't always walk the easy path, Jess. No, I always go the easy way. I'm a big fan of paying for convenience.

Yeah. And I don't like doing things for myself. Unless it's paying. I love to pay. For convenience. Oh, love it. Spoken like a true Satanist. Number one thing I spend my money on convenience.

Yeah. And comfort. Oh, gosh, yes. Classic devil worshipper. Nothing more comfortable than Satan's throne. Yeah. Ooh, cushioned. Six hundred and sixty-six packets of satin sheets, please.

Yeah. Sorry. Satan sheets. You hate yourself. Yeah. I'd realize why my brain was thinking of satin because I'm not very imaginative and a similar word.

You're probably kind of going for silk sheets really rather than Yeah, silk is what I probably meant. Saturn, what are you sleeping in? Saturn rules. Velvet sheets for me, thanks. Crushed velvet. The velvet curtains wrap me off. I was born on the stage.

Leather sheets for me. Water sheets for me. Cold water. I sleep. Oh, that's a little call forward to later on here. So anyway, um... Well, before you call forward, shall we just remind people that our howl a show, our Bon Voyage, Melbourne show before we head over to the UK.

It's coming up this Saturday, this Saturday afternoon, a couple of tickets left, we believe. Possibly. Maybe. Try your luck. Kid. Yeah, good. You know, give it a try. Kid.

We don't care. Kid. Go to dogo onpod.com for those tickets. And the other thing really quickly to mention is I launched my brand new show on the planet broadcasting network, the nerdiest show of them all, book cheat. I don't know if that's true. There's no way that's a nerd. Even on the planet broadcasting network, you were nowhere near the nerd is.

If you're getting called a nerd on the planet broadcasting network, which also includes the podcast, Do Go On, a podcast, which is about a different nerd learning. There's also, there's comic book podcasts. Yeah. One's hosted by a goat for God's sake. I don't think. I think you're safe. I think you're actually probably one of the coolest podcasts on the network.

All right. Well, I just released the coolest podcast on the network book sheet. All about classic books where I've read it so you don't have to tell you all about it. And two episodes are up right now, the picture of Dorian Gray with Mr. Sunday movies and Nick Mason, speaking of the goat. From the weekly planet. And Matt Stewart and Joel Dueser from Sans Spence Radio. We're on the Othello episode. Thanks to everyone that's been jumping in and giving this new thing.

a crack. Appreciate that. When I say that a goat hosts a podcast on the same way, I was talking about me, greatest of all time. Okay. Now, who you're talking about Jess? Satan of all time. Were you in the room when Ben Russell was screaming like a goat just the other day? Was I in the room? Yeah, because we were all here. Oh, yeah, that vaguely rings a bell. Yeah. Oh, it vaguely rings a bell that behind you while you were sitting at your computer trying to do work, Ben Russell was going, Ah, yeah, that does ring about. But, geez, I focus hard.

You do. I was probably working on this report. I just zoned out before because I was dayduring about what I'm going to eat on the plane on our way to the UK. I was like, oh, plain food. I reckon you're maybe the only person ever who's been excited about plain food. Oh, cannot wait for that horrible scrambled egg to be presented for me. I love those Bap rolls with a bit of butter. Double Bap.

I'm going to watch a movie. and I'm going to have a little nap, get to put a little eye mask. Oh, man, so excited. I'm going to watch a movie as well. Can we watch the same movie and can we press play at the same time? Please, Matt, please.

Of course. Yes. Dave, do you want to join or are you too cool for us now? I'm probably going to be watching something cool. Cars 2 or something. Moana. I like art films. I'm the coolest member of the Planet Broadcasting Network.

No, we didn't say that. We said your podcast was cool, not you as a person. Cool by association. Definitely not you. With your own podcast. Yeah, that's right. Podcasting, I mean, in itself is inherently cool. Very cool.

The coolest of the cool do pods. Anyway, Matt, why don't you do your cool topic right now? Well, I will, because this is Blockbuster, Tofa, Grace. McGuire, months. Show me the money. Wait. Toby McGuire. Okay, great, yeah.

Oh, I went Jerry McGuire. Yeah, no, we could tell. I don't see how yours makes any more sense than mine No, it doesn't But like we knew where you went Because of the quote So right Well really I'm saying kudos on your joke

Can I just say to you I feel the need The need for speed Okay Jerry McGuire again Great film I don't know How does Jerry McGuire

fit into Blocktofer Grace Matt if you don't get it You're not cool Like I am Okay now that's true Your point is that it's Blockbuster

Block. Both block... Joe McGuire. Blockbuster movie. I get it now. Thank you. Blockbuster Month. We're doing our most requested kinds of topics

and then also underneath that more polling. Bloody hell we love to poll. Live to poll. Live to poll. Live to poll. Last week we did the third most popular kind of topic, which was Dave. Wacky or quirky events from history.

And now we're up to the second most popular the corn of Topoo, Topoo, Topu, Topu, Topalist. And it is. Second comes right after first. Serial killers. Really? I would have thought that that would be number one. I was expecting number one as well.

But no, and it didn't actually beat number three by all that much. It was pretty close. Number four, not too far away. I don't know if we, do we say what number four was? I don't think you did, but why don't it reveal it? Cryptids. People love cryptids. I love cryptids.

Me too. For so long I said cryptoid and thanks for people for not telling me I was wrong. Is it, well, are you wrong? Are you wrong? I don't know. Anyway, we're doing serial killers now. Cryptoid nerd over there. Back where he belongs. Got in. I need to be put back in my place.

Thank you. I was getting too arrogant when I was reading Shakespeare. And the way we get onto topic is with a question and this week's question for Blockbuster Tofer Grace McGuire. Show me the money. Show me the question. Week 2. The question is, which.

I say witch like Dave does now. It's taken three years, or I think I say which like that. Which? You really, Anyway, it doesn't matter. Thank you.

Thank you so much. You're one of my top 10 influences. Are you in there? Absolutely not. Jess, I'm sorry, super question. Come on.

I mean, next you'll be asking if you're charming again. Come on. I didn't ask that. I asked if I was charismatic. Sorry. Charming, we know is true. Charismatic, I learned the hard way.

Incorrect. Charisma and charm opposites. Very different things. The question this week is which infamous serial killer has been called the most prolific female murderer and the most prolific murderer of the Western world by the Guinness Book of World Records. And Dave, you're a Guinness Book World Records expert. Yes, I am. Ask me any record. I'll tell you what it is. This one.

Ask me. All right. Look, let me warm up, please. Ah, okay. Long as fingernails. seven fifth four. You made that up. Yeah, it belongs to a man,

had them originally shaven off. Oh, yuck. Why don't I ask that? Shave enough, yeah, I don't like that either. Stop talking. Stop talking. No, yuck. Stop it.

Stop it right now. Stop it right now. What about this one, Dave? Seven foot four. It's like queen. Like Queen Victoria or someone like that? What? No.

You think of her as a serial killer. Well, I didn't. most prolific maybe, killed lots of people. Right. No, I'm going to know when you said. Sorry, not Queen Victoria. Sorry, because like I was thinking of one of the older queens, like Queen Elizabeth. It is Anne Elizabeth.

Oh, Elizabeth. Give you a couple of seconds. Do you reckon we would have heard of this lady? I think so, maybe. I think definitely a famous one, but not. Anyway. Matt, you and I can guess at the same time. All right.

Elizabeth Barthry. Barthry. Yeah, sure. If that's how it said. No, sorry, I'd miss her it because you were both speaking. You say it with me, Dave. Elizabeth Barthry. Oh, fuck, don't make me go out of it alone.

I really want it every time. How is it spelled? It's that. It's the accent that gives me trouble. But I think it's something like Barthry. What does let us just say Barthry? AKA the Blood Countess. Oh.

That is awesome. That is sick. A.k.a. Countess Dracula. Oh, this sounds gross. Yes. Any relation to Vlad Dracul III? Okay, Vlad the Impaler. No, but their mythos has sort of been merged a bit.

All right. Potentially. They're mythos. They're mythos. This was suggested by Sandy Ty, Jacob, Chris Waters, and Cinderella Cenobite. Cinderella, beautiful name It's such a horrible, horrible topic Cinderella

Oh, somebody suggested Cinderella And you're like, oh, yuck Oh, no good Poisonous apples Oh, glass shoes, very uncomfortable No, no, it's just such a This is such a brutal topic But I'm excited

It could be a really nice serial killer Yeah, she would just give a lot of blood Really humane She saved a lot of lives Blood drinker maybe Oh, yuck Elizabeth Barthry was born on August 7th, 1560 in Nayyarbatur, Hungary. So probably no chance of her listening to this podcast, which is great.

Well, I don't know, it depends how much blood she drank. Oh, good call. How much of a vampire she is. Or unicorn blood. So Hungarian, so that's why there's got an accent that you're not sure of. That's right, yeah. I don't know the Hungarian accent. I've been to Hungary.

Great place. Do you get an Irish pub there? Probably. No, I wouldn't have. I went to some cool bars, though. Great bar scene in Budapest. Wow. Budapest, the town, three towns come together to make one town.

Bud, A, and Pest? Buddha, Pest and O Buddha, I think. Well, that doesn't matter. Probably, I mean, it does to them, I'm sure. She was born into nobility, a prominent Protestant family, and grew up in a castle. Ladi da da. They were big players in the Kingdom of Hungary, which covered. modern day Hungary.

Hang on. Whoa, whine that back. I'm not a geography expert like Jess, but that does not add up. Dave, let me explain. Please.

I don't want to explain. I don't know. Also, Romania and Slovakia. Which Romania is where Vlad, the Impala is fun. That's right. Transylvania is part of this. Her powerful family controlled

Transylvania and included kings, princes, cardinals, knights and judges. her Uncle Stephen was the king of Poland. She just called him Uncle Steve. That's just Uncle Steve, the king of Poland. No big deal. I got to his beach house on the weekend sometime.

He's drunk every Christmas. He does this every time. Whatever. Uncle Steve. Steve! Steve! Barthery's family also included a bunch of odd balls. Like every family.

You mean Uncle Steve isn't odd enough? I should say that this is, because it's quite an old topic, And there are how much of where the myth begins and where reality ends and that sort of stuff is hard to know. So there's a lot of people who argue about this. So some people say Steve wasn't even her uncle. Some say his name was Greg. Gregi Gregson. And he was just a butcher down the road.

But also the King of Poland. No one. Everyone agrees on that. Ah, okay. That's good then. Unanimous on that. Barthory's family also included a bunch of, of oddballs and they passed on their knowledge to her.

According to one source, an uncle taught her Satanism and an aunt taught her about sadomasochism. She also learnt Latin, Greek and German. A rounded education. That was from the boring aunt. Yeah. So she could speak four languages fluently, I believe. When she was around 10 or 11 or 12, honestly, three different sources said each of those ages. 10 to 12.

10 to 12, she was engaged to count. Count Ferranach nadsdasty. I'm going to call this guy the count. Count. Count, count. Nadadsti. It just feels like that's, you don't make a name like that. Nadadsti.

There's something not quite working in my mouth there. And he was from another prominent Hungarian family. And in 1575, they married when she was around 15 and he was around 19. Apparently over 4,000 people attended the wedding. Which is bigish. Brazilla. Just want to keep it small, intimate. Imagine not getting an invite.

Oh my God, yeah. You're the 4,000 and first most close family member. Oh, sorry. We're just trying to get you as well. Sorry, no plus ones. Sorry. We can't have 8,000 people. Sorry.

You know, you're at a wedding towards the end of the night and you're not super close and you'll have a real small chat to the bride and groom towards the end. They're like, we're just making the rounds. Imagine that. Oh, God. Well, you'd have to start the goodbye rounds at the start of the wedding. Probably before the wedding. Thanks so much for coming out.

Yeah. Really appreciate the dipping into the honeymoon fountain or whatever. Oh, yeah, the wishing well would be overflowing. The honeymoon fountain. Is that what they do? A wishing well. Honeymoon fountain. Oh, I forget what you bloody d'artos do.

Matt, you give everyone in a fancy name. I call them. the money pit which is next to the spittin pit that was for the slurpin As a wedding present Nedadzdi gave his new wife The castle

Kachteach Katsch And he gives the woman who's got everything Another castle The castle The Kastich The castle was in modern day Slovakia And it remains

Oh that's fun I wrote this late This line I wrote very late last line, but it's good. Let me have another change crack at it. The castle was in modern day Slovakia, and its remains remain there. That is fun. As it's still Slovakia as well. It is still.

Just that ruin, Slovakia. Well, yeah, so it was in Hungary, but now Slovakia. And this became their main residence. Over the following decades, the couple had children. This is another thing that seems there's different sources saying different things. things, but it seems like probably four. I read different names. Maybe they were different translations in English or whatever, but it seems strange how much

the, even things like that, like a noble woman who's quite powerful, you'd think it'd be clear how many kids she had. There was one story that she had a kid when she was very young, like a teenager to a peasant boy and they gave the kid away to someone and, but, you know, who knows if that's true or not. Wow. And if it matters, it doesn't. In these years, the Christian Hungary was a constant, there was a Christian country.

Not hungry Christians. I'm not introducing a new character called the Christian Hungary. They were at constant war with the Ottoman Empire from the south. And the count was a handy military man, Trisdazdi or Ndadsdi. Can you try and say, Nadazzi? Why am I struggling with that so much? I've read it so many times this week. see a written down from here.

N-A-D-A-S-D-Y. Nadaz-D. Nadaz-D. Yeah, you may that sound really. Nadaz-D. Or Nadaz-D-I. I think it's the second D that makes it my mouth trip out. Just call him the Count.

I was enjoying the Count. Yeah, Count's good. So the Count was a handy military man, and he would spend up to 10 months of the year away from home fighting. In 1578, he became chief commander of the Hungarian army, heading out on a military campaign against the Ottoman Empire. So the Ottoman Empire. Empire, Dave, you would know.

Jesse would know. There were a big... Fittals. Islamic. Islamic. Empire. And apparently it was on. Like, they were a huge powerful empire.

Hungary was quite a relatively powerful one as well. And they were sort of on the front step of Christian Europe's fight against... Which I didn't know any of that to read him about this. So, as he was away often, this left Barthry in charge of their... states and also of governing of the local populace. So she was very important, very powerful. She was actually from probably a more prominent family than her husband. And she even made him take her surname, I believe.

Yes, bitch. Yes. They were actually combined. Their families were wealthier than the royal family, the king of Hungary. So they were a richer family than the king. I own you, king. Yeah, which is interesting. Apparently, Matthias, the king of Hungary, often borrowed money from them as well.

And he built up a fair debt to Nadasdi and Barthry. Liz and the count. Liz and the count. The count of Liz. One. They were able to loan this money pretty easily because they were loaded. And apart from the wealth they were born into, count would also come back from his military campaigns with pockets full of riches from,

you know, the vanquished and his enemies. He'd come back with jewels and cash. A lot of pillaging. Yeah. Yeah, because he needed it, obviously. Hey, I'm the richest guy in my country. I want your money. They're dead.

I'm taking it back, chucking it on the pile. Can't take it with you. I may as well take it with me. Anyway, you are dead. Why am I talking to you? Got to go. It has been a long day. I am pooped.

Cheerio. I'm still talking. What am I like? Ooh, pocket watch. Barthrey would divide her time moving around her multiple castle estates. And at each of these castles, they'd have a staff of servants, and many of these were made up of peasants from the local villages. And it is with these peasant servants that Barthry's reputation and reputation

as one of the coolest cause of all time. This is where it comes from. According to History.com, to please Barthory, the count reportedly built a torture chamber to her specifications and that Barthry's torture included jamming pins and needles under the fingernails of her servant girls and tying them down, smearing them with honey, and leaving them to be attacked by bees and ants.

It's a quote from history.com. Wish the ants. And you're standing there going This is going to take a long time The ants, why have they put the box of ants So far away I mean it's an ant farm It's a contained

This is what, they're going to break out of their farm They have to work out how to get out of the farm To get to me I've left them small ant Screwdrivers and hammers Once And instructions on how to dismantle the farm In a matter of generations of ants

they will learn the skills required pass them down to their children they'll get it through trial and error many lives will be lost in the ad community this poor girl covered in honey is just like licking her honey off herself

to survive yeah most of them stuffed waiting for hands honey's not it's not a round it's not enough it's not enough what do you want saying

what's the thing that you have all your food together what does that make if I said not a round How would you finish that? Balance. Diet is the word I could not think of. Oh boy.

You are tied. Don't believe in it. Don't believe in diet. Don't believe in it. Everything in moderation. Mm-hmm. The count is also believed to have participated in the torches apparently, but history.com also suggests that he, quote, may have also restrained her impulses. By building her a torture chamber.

So he's aware of it and builds her a torture chamber. Guys, controversial opinion, husband of the year. I'm not into it. I'm not into it personally. I love the support. I think everyone should have, you know, an outlet. I just, yeah, and she would have been hard to be vulnerable in the space and admit that that was your outlet. So she was like, this is a bit embarrassing.

But we've been married since I was 15. Engaged since I was 10 11 or 12 I really just want to torture some people But I just don't have the space to do it I'm getting all anxious and antsy That's why we keep fighting It's because I don't have an outlet

And he was like, I hear you I'm listening and I understand Sounds like you misheard of her to say antsy And just got a lot of ants I'm like okay you want some ants We're going ants That's cool That's great

You think you're in honey You think honey on one of the servants girls We can do that That's fine I love that. I love love, is what I'm saying. I love love. Oh my God, you love love love?

I love love. We have so much in common. You've changed a lot since this show started. Yeah, I used to hate love, didn't I? You used to hate people torturing innocent peasants, but now you're on board. I'm not on board with that side of things. I'm on board with the supportive part. Don't twist her words.

I was saying I appreciated him listening to her, not judging her. This is putting positivity out into the universe, and this is putting positivity out into the universe, And this is what you're throwing back at her? Excuse me? Thank you, Matt. Dave, I'll accept your apology in writing within the next three business days. Thank you. Well, no, thanks, because I hate love.

You hate love. Yeah, and I love hate hate, which is very hard for me to deal with. Because I hate everything about love. That's a real paradox. Even loving hate. I hate that I love hate. Oh, my God. Oh, dear.

Oh, Dave's putting nails under his nails. Smother it me with honey. Not again, Dave. You asked us once before. And you said that was for the aunt. I said no question. I watched the Discovery Channel did a series 10 so years back about worst killers of all time. And they did an episode on The Countess.

And so I watched this on YouTube. And it was not very good, admittedly. Like not well made or like upsetting? It was awful. No, I was just, I just didn't, I don't know, I didn't buy it. There was this one guy, Professor Raymond McNally, who is an expert on her. But he's like, all in, he's like, she's a vampire, basically. Basically, not quite.

But he started, like, nearly right up the top of the episode. This is a quote from him, which I'm like, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Or you've got weird opinions. Anyway, he goes, it's far more frightening in a way than a male doing that sort of thing. It's a female torturing and killing young girls. I was like, what are you talking about? What the fuck? It's so weird.

That's more frightening. To this professor. Oh, fuck off. Whose dedicated his life to studying. What's his point there is that like a, is that women shouldn't do that to other women or that she should have more maternal instincts or that women are soft and don't do awful things? I couldn't. Because guess what? It's 2018 and women can murder.

Well, it wasn't 2018 when he said that, nor when she killed many, many people. But yeah, I just... Oh, yeah, then it's fucked. She's fucked. There was someone about this guy. He was... I'm imagining him with like... He's exactly how you imagine.

Tell me, what are you... I'm imagining quite... I'm imagining like fuzzy hair. What colour? I was imagining brown, but probably gone a bit grey. Great for me. Bushi eyebrows? Yeah, pushy eyebrows.

And I imagine him quite round. I don't think he wears glasses. And I think he speaks a bit like this. Yeah. I get quick. Quite animated when I'm talking about my subjects. You know, I just... The thought of a woman torturing a woman,

it just makes the mind boggles. It's not boggle your mind. Are we close? Yeah, it's pretty close. Ah, not bad. Pretty close. Oh, the mind is boggles. You just sit there swilling,

swilling your brandy and you think, how could a woman do that? A man could do that. Yes, I could do that. Of course, I could do that. But Charlotte, my granddaughter, could she do that? I think not.

She is weak She's a meek little thing She can't wield a knife Or butter someone's buttocks with honey Buttocks someone's buttocks Oh you've Googled him Yes Yes 100%

I was imagining a bit more deranged Looking to be fair He looks like a dapper gentleman Yeah Now look and I I was imagining like a mad scientist Kind of type I'd tell I yeah

I don't know It was mainly that line to be honest So I'm just like, what are you talking about? Yeah, that's great. No, we've built a whole character now. There's like, you know, there's a, so someone's coming at you and they're wearing a mask. Yeah. And they're killing it and you're like, well, this is pretty scary, but it's just a man.

So, you know, not that scary. Pulls off the mask and woman. Oh, my God. No, no. Not like this. Rumors began to spread about Barthry's cruelty during these years also. It's pretty bad luck for the peasants, really, isn't it? Yeah.

Imagine you get in the feeling that they're slaves or they are getting, you know, people are applying for the job and then being like, oh. Yeah. So did not mention that. No, but it's like devil's where devil wears Prada, you know, how everyone's like, nobody stays in this job. Right. Like just a really tough job, a hard bitch boss. Yeah, you got to find the new Harry Potter, you are out of there. But it's like, if you can stick it out, if you can prove yourself, huge opportunities.

Great. You know. If you can stick. I think it's probably similar. If you can handle the ants, you're going places. Yeah, you know. Because the victims were peasants, though, and because she was in the powerful position,

nothing really happened. She was basically protected from having these allegations seriously investigated. In 1604, though, a few years ahead, her husband, the count, died at the age of 48. And with his death, Barthrey lost both her husband and also supposedly his restraining influence. Oh, no.

Whoa. Oh, no, she was being restrained this whole time. According to History.com. In the 1600s, 48s are, like, is that a good inning? I think it's okay. He's still young. Yeah, he's young. Yeah, she lives on.

Yeah. It was a mystery illness. Oh, no. Started feeling numbness in his legs, and then a couple of years later. they still don't know what it was, but it wasn't her. That sounds like they were, they had a great relationship. They were strong. They were tight.

I know they did. Apparently she was quite a good mother, despite killing a lot of children. She was also apparently quite a, you know, has a promotion. Just not her own. Yeah, I don't know. Well, that's nice, I guess. It's all, you know, I think a lot of this has been built from small amounts of information and people have inferred a lot and, you know, professors of.

Boggled. Had their minds boggled by different facts. It boggles the mind. From here, some say she took her cruelty up a notch. And according to an article on, this is an article I liked a bit, All That's Interesting.com. Have you heard of that website? Oh, love it.

It's a good website. I haven't heard of it, but it's now my favourite. Yeah, they're right. Sounds great. Off that, they said, witnesses suggested that it was at this time that the killings began. And the first victims were these peasant girls we're talking about who were brought to the castle to work. Some said, you know, come to the castle, we'll get work for you here. Yeah, work like ants.

Yeah, honey. Yeah, honey. You like honey? I don't think you're going to look it much anymore. I'm not talking on crumpets. Okay. This is from History.com again. alleges that she often bit chunks of flesh from her victims

and one unfortunate girl was even forced to cook and eat her own flesh. Barthry reportedly believed that human blood would keep her looking, would keep her looking young and healthy. This is disputed a little bit. Told you still alive. Yes. Well, this is something that is definitely disputed how much she was into this blood and how much of that is myth.

Some say she bathed in it Some say she drank it Others say that is A lot of those stories came out Years after she died So maybe part of the mythos around her But Blood's not good for you is it

Yeah medical science has come a long way Like drinking it's not good Is it? Vampire science has come a long way since then That's not, it's not good Is it? No, it is not good Like drinking piss

Not good But better Is piss or blood better? Piss, I think this would probably be more digestible. Right, okay. I don't understand anything. But if you've got blood in the piss. If I drank a pint of blood, I wouldn't go, I wouldn't go straight to me.

I wouldn't get like a blood rush? Nah. Is that such a thing as a blood rush a blood? Rush a blood of the head. What have I put? I mean, you're literally pouring it into your head. Oh, God, but you got to stop. You got to hang upside down.

Just the trickers don't think about it too much. Yeah, I'm thinking of, because I'm imagining a pint of blood. I'm not thinking about it at all. Don't talk like that. you're going to make me a picture it. It's like really thick. Oh, no. Is it still warm?

Yeah. We cool it down. I should say, I didn't mention this at the start. Once the listeners voted for serial killers, this is the second most popular kind of topic, I put eight different serial killers up for the polling, for our patrons, and this is one that by far was the most popular.

Wow, awesome. Yeah, there's a... So you sickos wanted this. Now imagine a warm pint of things. thick blood. No, I think a cold part of thick blood. Yeah, more refreshing.

Yeah, maybe put it on a stick. A little popsicle. Bludcicle. Potsicle. Gisacho. Cold soup. Anyway, thanks Patreon. Appreciate this.

The rumours were still ignored. And I read in a few different places that this was because they were peasants, basically. Yeah. Not just that she was powerful, but because they were peasants basically meant that it was no big deal. That's awful. Apparently the line between discipline and cruelty was very fine back then. And yeah, the workers' rights weren't what they right now. Yeah, it wasn't the bloody nanny state that it is now.

You can't torture your peasants anymore. They're going to need a form for everything. Can you sign this? It's a waiver saying that I can put ants on you. No reason. Probably never have to do it. No, it's just in case. Just in case.

So back then, if your dinner was five minutes late, you could tell the chef. The next meal will be them. Yeah. Have to cook their own leg. And that was, everyone was like, what's the problem? No, that's fair. I was five minutes late. Yeah, tough but fair.

Thank you. I appreciate this. Also, tonight's meal was tough but fair. So I'm going to need that other leg tomorrow. Make it probably well done like I asked for. I mean, medium rare. Fuck. All right.

It's been a while. I don't know how meat works. But soon, Barthru expanded from just peasants to torturing and murdering daughters from nobility as well. And so it sounds like... Always girls? Always girls, yeah. That is weird.

It does boggle. It does boggle the mind. And I think in part that that's why the whole myth of her wanting the virgin blood and thinking that that was what kept her young, I think that because it was all specifically young girls, I think that that, um, what buys into that myth or whatever? Oh, Jess is finding the deaths of young virgin women. Okay, I'm interested in what triggered this.

Well, if she, she's only virgin blood, so she's just being young, ugly girls. You're definitely a virgin. No, I'm not, I swear. Come on. Oh, who's got, come on. That's what made me laugh. And I thought about not saying it, and then I thought,

I think it's funny that you think that ugly people don't have sex. I know, that's part... Anyway. They shouldn't. I can't help it feel a little offended. Yeah. How about we tell you what you can't do, huh? All right.

Yeah. Yeah, maybe the uggos will rise up against you. What do you think about that? What? So you guys saying I'm pretty. No, we're saying you're a bloody bully. Well, I'm only assuming you're thinking that because of what you're saying. Or are you laughing about yourself?

Yeah, of course. It's self-deprecating laugh. Us, our goes. We're going to stay together. Us, our goes? Oh, thanks a lot. God. Oh, Dave.

I'm so sorry. I was out there. Dave. That was not news to you. Tell me you're not finding that out now. I was out there banging. You were not banging, Dave. I am banging and I was banging.

We've seen your haircut, Dave. Dave. There's no bang in happening. If you had that haircut back back, sure. I thought you were saying you can see my haircut now. I was thinking, but what else can I do with it? What do you want for me? Oh, yeah, my hand back.

I'm quiffing here. Sorry to any ugly people out there. Jess, I'm right. All virgins. It's not because you're ugly. I was just joking. I'd love if people write in because they've got such low self-esteem. They think you're talking about them.

But enough self-esteem to be. offended. That's the real sweet spot. I can only assume you were talking about me and I am offended. I've had sex on no less than six occasions. No more than nine. I don't know why it's vague like that. Not great with numbers either.

How are you going to make fun of that? You got to keep count. You got it. One of the rules. Keep a deli. Keep a diary. Come on, people. Sex diary.

We've all got them. We've all got a belt. Two notches. I really need to have sex again This belt's too loose Pants keep falling down Don't turn to us Foration and say

I really need to have sex again We're your colleagues Not your friends That's a thing to talk to your friends about Okay Help me have sex again I'm so sorry I did this to us but it's very funny in my head.

Jess, I'm sorry, but that was an act out. I was playing a character. What do you mean? It's a character that only has two notches in his belt. I mean, also a character who literally puts notches in his belt. Have you got more notches than that? No, I don't have a belt. That's why you're pants.

I wear very tight pants. You know this. We're colleagues. I tell you that every day. Now, can we get back on the topic? Can we get back on the topic? So let's just retrace ourselves. Before the big laugh matter,

just mentioned that she was choosing young version girls to kill. Before the big laugh. The only, isn't it amazing? And the relief for me was that it was actually an older, like centuries old. Yeah. Zero killer. Yeah.

It's still fucked. It almost feels like it's a fairy tale. Yeah. It doesn't feel real. You can distance yourself from it a lot easier. But yeah, obviously it is super, super fucked. Oh, ridiculous. She's in the Guinness Book of World Records.

Yeah. Wow. But now she's killing wealthier kids. Yes, and they're coming to her apparently sort of like the middle level, sort of kids of nobility are coming to learn sort of like for an education in society stuff. Like finishing school kind of thing. Kind of, I think, well that's the pretense anyway. Their parents not heard the rumours.

She says finishing school. She means it. Life finishing school. Matt, that was very clever. Thank you very much. Do you write that down? No. I mean, Jess only, yeah.

Just said finishing school and I went, tap it, tap, I totally lost my spot on the page. I did not name to mime that so convincingly. It's almost not even miming it when you just type. Yeah, when you just hit your keyboard for a bit. The parents, like the rumours must have been around. So why are they sending them there? Maybe they're thinking, well, she's doing that a peasant, sure,

but not my girl. I don't know. Yeah. It was when she started going after these children of noble families that things started to come unstuck for her as well. Word got back to the king and he took action. This is from Britannica. Her cousin, Georgie Thurzio.

What is that Irish? There's an umlaut in the first word and an accent and the second. I don't know. That could be anything. Give me your best shot of that. Oh, yeah, no, it's exactly how he said it. Georgie Thirso. Georgie sounds like a great name.

Georgie. Let's say Georgie Thurzo. So he's Count Palatine. of Hungary. He was also when the count died, he was the guy that said, you know, look after my kids and my wife. So, and then he is the guy who's been ordered by the king to go and investigate these allegations. Oh, so he's a bit conflicted. So it's a bit conflicted. Yeah, it's a bit conflicted, but, you know, he did what the king told him to do. Yep. Depending on the source, when Thurzo arrived, he either found Barthri in the act of killing or at least,

least found very incriminating evidence, i.a. bodies of dying and dead torture victims. It's hard to deny. What? I wonder what she did with the bodies. Well, some of the things I read, like he came and there were bodies everywhere. There were bodies in the fireplace. Our professor friend, you know, everything for him was just big. He's like, there were bodies under the bed.

There were bodies in the cupboards. There were bodies on her hat. But like, so she's still got her. own children. Is it just the norm for them that there's bodies around or she keeps that separate? It's a wild thing for me.

I think that by this stage they're probably adult children, I think. Oh. I must smell so bad. So bad. Yeah, that's what they say.

Like the poo room. Oh, yeah. And the colour bomb. It makes the poo room smell nice. But I, part of me, I, I'm like,

it sounds so fantastical to me that it, I don't really believe it. It can't possibly be. Just because I don't like that much clutter. That drive me insane. What do you do with clutter? You shove it under the bed.

No, what you do is you get your servants to sort of... Oh, hang on. I got to get new servants. Mary, clean up... Oh, that's Mary. Mary, clean up yourself. Oh, dear. Mary, are you dead yet?

If not jump in the fireplace. Could you drag yourself? Oh, no. So, Georgesi oversaw an investigation, which included something like 300 witnesses, and he collected evidence from all them, and there were some horrific crimes accused of Bar 3. One of these accusations were compiled in the All That's Interesting article

that I was talking about before, and they include the following. Now, if you are queasy, block your ears, but obviously if you've got this far, you're probably fine. I mean, if you pick this episode... I'm going to try Matt's approach of just not picturing it too much. Yeah, just don't picture too much. I have not done any real picture.

If I'm picturing any of this, it's like hand-drawn pictures. Yeah, okay. Cartoons. Oh, interesting term for it. What, is that French? Do I hear a Dugo animation coming up? Oh, John, no. No, please, John, no.

I'll put them in a handy dot points. Wonderful, love a dot point. So these are some of the accusations. All right, just go through them. The Barthri burned her victims with hot irons. Okay, that's fine. I heard this explained by others that... Why is that fine, Jess?

Why? That apparently a medicine at that time, they would do that to try and stop bleeding sometimes, burn wounds with hot irons. So some say maybe she was helping. Maybe. And it's a lot easier to burn someone with a hot iron than a cold iron. Exactly.

It's got to be really cold. Yeah. Like ice. Yeah. An ice iron. Yeah. They accused her of beating them to death with clubs. Okay.

But back then, they used to seal wounds by hitting them with clubs. Clubs, yeah. Oh, I was imagining nightclubs again. Oh, yeah. No, this is golf clubs. Just don't be any idiots. Come on.

Golf clubs. Shout a caddy with her. What do you think? Four iron. Four iron. What are we about 170, 180 yards? Four! 180 yards away?

Gonna have to really chase after them? We're going to have to throw this club. Luckily, I have great aim. Like I said, before she stuck needles under fingernails. Again, stopping bleeding. Strip them naked out in the freezing cold. Hot.

Actually, it sounds like a lot of these things also included stripping them naked. Okay, so we take that as a given? I think for the most part, yeah. This one, though, it's specific because it's stripping them naked out in the freezing cold before pouring ice water over their bodies and leaving them to freeze to death. It's not very nice. We have mentioned that in a previous episode about someone who would do that, and then from the balcony watched them turn into ice statues.

Really? I can't remember what you. It was definitely a previous person who was. I don't remember that. That's sick. It would make sense that it was. I don't think it was flat. Do you remember that enough?

No, I don't. Yeah, they would pour water on them and then watch them from the, in an interior courtyard walk around until they turn into a statue. Oh, William Shakespeare. Yes. Classic prick. I wanted to say the Harry Potter writer, but I couldn't think of her name. I reckon that would have been funnier.

Damn it. That would have been, imagine I said that. I mean, that would have been funny. That is funny. Yeah, thank you. But I imagine, like, the Indianap in statues. Surely you'd just be in the fetal position. It's not a very interesting statue. Nobody's going to be, like, just holding power pose while they freeze to death, you know?

I reckon you're sword on a horse. Nobody's thinking of that as you're dying. Like, if you wanted to, you'd start flipping them in the bird and hope that you'd be, like, flipping them off. I'd want to. No, I'd be doing Shuckers, I reckon. So I looked sick. I'd be mime and ripping a bomb. Yeah, fuck, yeah.

420. Unconvincingly, like I just did them. Ripping a bomb. Stay in school, kids. She covered them in honey, like we said before. This one said before watching bugs. Feast on her exposed on their exposed skin. Bugs.

Okay. Like the locusts. Christmas beetles? Lady Bugs. Did you say ladybugs or lady beetles? Interesting, huh? Two types of people are there. Say Lady Bird.

Lady Bird, yeah. Is that an option I gave? No. Ladybug or Lady Beetle. That's not one is it? It's Lady Bird or Lady Bug. Yeah, that's in there. I say both.

I say Lady beetles are cute. What are those ones that kind of roll up? They're like really weird looking and they kind of roll up. Oh, what did we call them? Slater bugs? Yes. Because I... Here we go.

I was very tired when I got home last night. You never heard slater bugs. Oh yeah. And I was just lying. I took my shoes off and I lay on my back on my bed just with my knees up and my chest just in a little ball. Bit of a knees up. And I couldn't remember like the bug that I was trying to be. And I was like, you know, the ones that are like, they kind of roll up a bit.

Slater bug? Or are you thinking of a... Millipede. No, Slaterbug. Slaterbug is what I was thinking of. Not a milipede. Millipedes are horrible. Anyway, I was tired.

It was a fun story there, wasn't it? Slater bug? Yeah. And they're like great. Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of. They live in like wood. They're actually called, according to the search, Woodlouse.

Oh, there you go, yeah, they do live in... Or terrestrial usopod crustacean. That's what I was imitating when I got home last night. I couldn't believe you couldn't remember terrestrial crustaceation. I'd never seen them before. People also search for Millipede. There you go. Earwigs?

That's I've heard of that. Bugs that roll up. Anyway. Do you think the professor would be more afraid of lady bugs than other bugs? Ha ha ha. I just had bogles of mind. She also, I haven't even finished these dot points yet. She also sewed their lips together.

Oh, I don't enjoy that. That's the only time I saw that reference. And this one was referenced a little bit, bit chunks of flesh off their breasts and faces. Oh, the face. That's fucked. Yeah, it's because you don't have breasts so you can't picture that. Yeah. Get on the bench press, Dave.

Yeah. So yourself out. I'm trying. I'm trying. Trying. Yeah. The article went on to say that in addition, witnesses said Barthry liked using scissors to torture of victims.

She used the instrument to cut off their hands, noses and genitals. One of her favorite pastimes, witnesses, said, was using scissors to slice open the skin between her victim's fingers. I'm so sorry. I was so sorry. I didn't want to read that very much. I love pastime. Yeah.

I mean, that's what you're going to get from all that's interesting.com. All that's fucked up. Dot org? Gross. Okay, but so they've investigated her. Yes, so this has all come out of the investigations. So I'll talk a little bit more about those and then I'll tell you what happened from there. At the time of Therzo's investigation, some accused her of cannibalism, obviously, with the eating of flesh,

while others claim to have seen her have sex with the devil himself. Okay, well, I don't know. Finally something I believe here. So you know what I'm saying? What's he looked like? It's almost like they're just, they're going, what's evil things? Let's just list off fucked up stuff. stuff.

Probably the most... And also why are you watching people have sex, you weirdo? Yeah. Like, avert your eyes. Yeah. That's rude. Give Beazel Bob some privacy. That's rude.

Yeah. How rude. So rude. So rude. Satan on the streets. Satin in the sheets. You see that pause there? That was made processing that, making sure it made nearly any sense.

It didn't. still went with it. But probably the most famous or infamous accusation, and the one that gave her the nickname the Bodkantus, was that she bathed in the blood of her young victims in an attempt to maintain a youthful appearance. Did it work? Was she a babe?

You know, beauty standards change. That's a no. Yeah, I'll go. Classic, Igo defense. Big old, Igo. Everyone has, you know, beauty is definitely. Wow, she's real ugly. Wow, I mean, you got...

There's a paragraph about this. She's fugly. She's yuck. She's yugly. She's yugly. She's yugly. Beauty's in the eye of the beholder. There's no photos of her.

Because it was a 1500. There are statues and drawings and stuff. She just looks like, she looks like classic olden days royalty woman. No oil paintings? She is no oil painting. After hearing the actual painting. accusations. Therzo ultimately charged Barthory with the deaths of 80 girls. One witness did claim that there were 650 victims in total and she claimed that saying that she kept a record and there

was a book of it that Barthry kept a record and there was this some sort of weird death diary where she'd write all the names down in it. She got a sex diary and a death diary. But the neither. Neither diary was ever found. So it's not really believed to be true. 80 is still ridiculous. But also, I know that they're peasants, but they still have families. Like, they're still people. Their parents don't notice. They're gone or?

I think, I think they do, but they'll. They can't do anything about it. They're also connected. She's connected to the church. Yeah. expected age, death age was younger. Yeah, he just be like, sorry, she got sick. Yeah, illness has went around and wiped people out.

But it's like, oh, a lot of people getting sick after they've come to work for you for a brief amount of time. Oh, it really, see, it always has paid to be wealthy. You can just get away with stuff. God, I can't wait to be wealthy. She can get away with. Do you reckon one day I'll be wealthy? Not really. No.

Thanks, Matt. It's usually... Keep me grounded. And also from killing. No, I don't want to kill. I just want to be... What does she want to get away with? It's usually charismatic people that are wealthy, sorry.

Oh, get fucked. It's also normally the charismatic ones that seem to be the... The murderer type. Because they get away with it. Yeah. Again, great that I'm not charismatic. Dodge the bullet. And so did it a lot of other people.

That wouldn't be my method. Oh. Okay. You felt this through. more hands-on, but more personal. Oh. Leigh.

Bow and arrow. From a distance. We've got hands-on with the bow and the arrow. Use my hands. I like loud noises. Guns are too loud. Bang, no. Use the silencer, dammit.

A what? Yeah, but with a bow and arrow, it's just a boi-lo-lo. That's my bow. Oh, he turns her on. I get really erect. Whip-boyo-yoing, that's the zip going there. And the bono-and-comin up. Now time.

It improves my accuracy. If I'm rock hard, I hit the bulls-eye every time. It always points due north. And also test the wind. Compass Dick Packers. This way, boys. I'll lead us to safety. Safety is always.

Turning around. Like to go, the arm is behind her just like, change your direction. You're missing some fun facework from Dave. That's why we say you've always should be here in the studio with us. And we invite people every week and they don't turn up. What's with you people? What's with you? You dogs.

If you're in Melbourne, there's live shows always. Yeah, good. Check out our website. Dogoon.com. Doonpod.com. Fuck. What did I say? Do go on.com.

Do go onpod.com slash what's the live shows? Your mum's butt. That's it. I think it's live dash shows. Dave. Say it correctly. And could you also update the URL so that that works, your mom's butt? Oh yeah.

Can you do that? Do you have that power? Yeah, internet allowed that. I can do that. And I just want to be a picture of me going. Do go on pod.com slash your mum's butt. All right. I'll try and get that happening.

I'll speak to our webmaster, our web wizard. You're talking about yourself and the third person? Yeah. I know a guy. It's me. Ask me those famous three words. What are those famous three words? Dave.

Oh, do you go on. I thought you should like ask me what they are. Yeah, me too. I thought I was like, where's this going? It's not a question. I should have said command me. Do go on? Sorry, yeah.

I don't understand. So that's on you. What are her famous three words? That's on you. I mean, they're not famous. Everything about what I said is wrong. Very clever people on the podcast didn't pick up on what you were saying. You did eventually.

So both ugly, clever people. That's right. Say those, ask those famous three words, well, what are you talking about? Do go on. So there were arrests, right? Yeah. These servants were charged as her accomplices and put on trial in 1611. They were convicted of the crimes and punished in similarly brutal ways to what they were accused of.

So do you reckon, though, that, because they were hurt. servants so they kind of were forced into it. Yeah, it feels like... I mean, what's the likelihood that she happened to hire two servants who were also sickos? Yeah, we're writing on four, four servants. Four. And also like, oh, I've seen what happens to the servants who, you know, for no real reason. Yeah.

Yeah, I better not say anything. And also, just those work conditions. There's bodies everywhere. Ugh, no thank you. But you're saying the punishment, punishment. Punishment fit the crime Not funnishment I don't think it was a punishment

No but the punishment It fit the crime So you did this to someone So we're doing it too Well it's not yeah Similar I guess it was just I guess back in those days Punishments were more fucked up anyway

One was beheaded And then the others I read it slightly varying things on this Had their hands chopped off Or had their fingers Pulled off with pliers Or something like that And then

And then and then were burnt at the steak. Maybe as witches, which... Right. I didn't say that that wasn't across everything. So it's like, yeah, I guess. If it was in that time where things were just, you're a witch. If you know, you're a witch because I think you might be,

then this is probably one thing where people would be like, yeah, this feels bit witchy. Yeah, sure, sure. Finally something that actually seems witchy. Yeah. That's full on. Barthory. was never tried, though.

What? Instead, she was confined to her chambers at Castle Cachic. And not allowed to leave. She was basically bricked in, I think. And she remained there until she died on August 21st, 16, 14 at the age of 54. So it was another five years. Yeah, I think she was in there four or five years. Bricked in.

Yeah. Why the fuck? Apparently she'd get her food through a little hole. I'd put a tray through. and then on the night that she died she said, oh, I've got a weird feeling in my arms, I think she said, just something like, I've got a bit of a weird feeling

and her guard girl was like, you'll be right. Go have a nap and she just never woke up. Ah. She got away with it, really. So she got to die kind of peacefully. Yeah. In her home prison. I guess she was really rich.

Fucked. Yeah, and the reasons for this are different things. It sounds like I think the king wanted to kill her as well like punish her by death but people like this will be bad for the nobility in general it you know that it's all sounded like things were all on a knife's edge you know all right your family my family and the protestans and catholics and also there were just a lot of different families and so for whatever reason they thought this would be the her she still had a powerful family there um the king also obviously it was o's

them a lot of money and that was waived that debt in this deal. So a little moving, a lot of moving pieces. Oh, that's fucked. I'll read it out rather than just spluttering what I just did then. There's still plenty of conjecture about how true the accusations are. And modern historians debate over a wide spectrum of what the reality was from at one end, she killed 650 young women and girls and bathed in their blood and attempt to stay young at one end. And at the other end, and some argue that it was all a stitch up to take her wealth and power and she didn't even do any of it. And then there's a lot of people in the middle of...

Right. Yeah, I'm going to fall somewhere in the middle. I think 650 is too high, realistically. Yeah, it's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. That's like, you know, oh, too many. How do you get that many people, you know?

Yeah, and just, I mean, she's doing it across, like, majority of that one castle, but she also had other castles around. So apparently, you know, she was doing it in different places. But I'm definitely not in the camp of it was a stitch up. Right. She's innocent. Too much.

It's a big stitch up, I guess. Yes. Do you think the Guinness World Book of World Records stitch people up? I don't think so. I would never accuse them of such a thing. Exactly. They are Bastions. Journalism.

I don't call on that. Sorry. Sorry about that. You bastion. This is from Britannica. While documents from Barthri's trial support the accusations made against her, modern scholarship has questioned the veracity of the allegations. Barthry was a powerful woman, made more so by her control of Count Nadadzdi's holdings after his death.

And the fact that a large debt owed by Matthias to Barthi was cancelled by her family in exchange for permitting them to manage her captivity suggests that the acts attributed to her were politically motivated slander that allowed relatives to appropriate her lands. So that's pretty bold from Britannica. Yeah, wow, they're really going out saying she didn't do it. They're going closer to the stitch-up end of things. Wow. Or they're reporting that modern scholarship.

Imagine if it was. Imagine if it was just a stitch-up. It would be ridiculous. Ridiculous. Whoa. Like that's a lot of people have to make up a lot of things. Like, you know, 300 people that have been questioned, or at least that's been falsified or whatever. So these debts that the king had to Barthory were perhaps motivators for the accusations.

On top of this, there are historians who believe that the many witnesses who provided incriminating evidence did so under duress or while being tortured themselves. Right. Say she spread honey on you or I'll put more honey on you. Yeah. So, and I think we now know that if that is people don't. give good information if they're being tortured, they'll say what the torturer wants to hear rather than... Yeah, I suppose it could have been like,

I've written out what I want you to say, just sign here. Yeah. Or look at that bucket of cold water. There's a lot of honey in that bucket of cold water. Cold honey in that bucket of... Cold. We're going to go put you out there with those icy ants. We've done a little mashup here.

Just trying out to see what. What can happen? It's just these dead ants. Dead ants and then like a sticky. Let's see what happens. A sticky person walking around in the courtyard going, this is weird. Frozen honey like in a bucket that just like hits him in on one sludge and just falls off.

And then it's like, ow, my thigh. All right. I think you've learnt your lesson. I'll sign here. Okay. I don't want to, I just want to get away from you. Potentially some historians say this is the true story of Elizabeth Barthry. and this is from all that's interesting.

She owns strategically important land that increased her family's already vast wealth and as an intelligent, powerful woman who ruled without a man by her side, and as a member of a family whose wealth intimidated the king, his court went on a mission to discredit and ruin her. As the feminists of this podcast,

I'd like to say, I reckon. I have no idea. They conclude their article saying the best case scenario is that Barthri abused her servants but came nowhere near the level of violence alleged at her trial. Worst case, she was a blood-sucking demon sent from hell to murder virgins. Both make for a good story, even if only one of them is actually true. Hang on, I think the first one does not make a good story.

A woman that kind of treated her peasant or her servants badly. That's not a good story. Well, it is if she had the torture chamber, but just used it to like slap them about a bit. It sounds like, well, I mean, she's saying abuse. I think they were saying it was pretty bad, but not the worst. But so they're saying at the best case, she did. It was awful. So we can say she's not categorically, she's a bad person.

It just, it's how bad. Yes. Yes. I think that is probably true. Yeah. If you go back to our professor mate that we're talking about before, one of his early quotes is, it just, it was a lot of sound bites. So I reckon the, the Discovery Channel, whoever put that episode together

would have been like loving him. He's just quote, like, It sounded like he was in the room just saying things he could remember. You know, like he goes, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And she had absolute power. And therefore, the power was absolute.

We get it. Yeah. We can you say that I'd give it a stop about five minutes ago. So yeah, whatever the truth, the legend lives on, And that's the end of the report. She's still seen as... She's still alive. And if she hadn't been bricked up,

I reckon she would still be alive because she'd still be drinking the blood of virgins. We all know, modern science has discovered the blood of virgins is the life force that keeps us going. She's gone on to inspire so many different kinds of art, music. There's a band named after her. Paintings, books, films.

So there are a painting. There's plenty of... Paintings that have been inspired. Spired, but I don't know if they were painted at the time. It possibly could have been. On another video I watched, there was a guy, a BBC thing where a guy went to her hometown and to the museum. And the portrait of her is out the back in storage. So he went like they were filming out the back.

For some reason, it's out the back in storage. Watched another guy, like a vlogger. He went to the castle and he did a little tour of the car. There was like a real Ocarazi guy who does like ghost vlogs. Love it. And he's like, he was. He was a real character. And he, um, he was in the town and he goes, they love it.

It's like, imagine, imagine a town who's so proud of this serial killer that they, there's like statues on there. Look at this statue. Look at those eyes. Look those eyes. And he like zoomed in on his handy cam onto her face of this wooden statue. It's like, yeah, I mean, any wooden statue is going to have some pretty odd looking eyes. Look like those eyes.

Sinister. Look at that wooden look on her face. It's a bit strange, a bit suss. And yeah, he went around the, so the, yeah, the castle, a lot of it's still there. So maybe one day we'll be able to. Well, that one is in Slovakia. Modern-day Slovakia. Wow, we've got to go there.

Put it on the tour, baby. We're going to get a world map going with some pins. Take him out of our peasants. Put them into the board. Yes, sure. Let's do it. I guess if we're going to take them out of our peasants and put them into our board. Why can't we just buy more pins?

I don't want to take them out of the peasants. They haven't earned it yet. Good point. That is a good point. Like pins have. Good point. So that was suggested by Sandy Tide, Jacob, Chris Waters and Cinderella, Chenabyte. Thank you to those sickos.

Yeah, thank you, sick bucks. And to the sickos on Patreon who thought that that would be the best serial killer to report. That was a great report. Thanks, Matt. Didn't know about her? Well done, Maddie. The only thing I think I know about her is the blood thing because I remember going to one of those sort of Madame de Sores type things, but it's not Madam Disords, it's like more of like the, like a fucked up one,

like a, like a dungeon of London or Edinburgh or something, and there was like a lady, and she's pictured in a bath of blood. Right. I reckon that must have been her. It wasn't Queen Elizabeth II. Philip, the blood's going cold. Fitch me more hot blood. Now is time for the segment I like to call, because that's,

what his name is. Fact quote or question. And a listener has made a jingle for us. I'll put it in here. Fact quote or fact quote a question. Fact quote or fact quote a question. Hey. What a jingle.

We should also say thank you to that listener. And I'll bring up their name now because a great jingle, a lot of effort went into it. Yeah, that is funny that. I was just going to put it in without the name. But I'd forgotten about doing it until just then. Now the pressure's on for me to figure out how to download it. Because I've tried a couple times.

And I think I've just got to sign up to it. Perry Ritter. Thank you so much, Perry. Send it in. You don't need to download it, mate. He emailed it to us. Yes. Got an MP3 of it.

Perry Ritter. Hey, Dave, Matt and Jess. Per Matt's request, I have attached my jingle for a fact quote or question. Cheers, friends. Perry Ritter. Thank you, Perry. Thanks for making the internet easier for me. You brought the internet to me.

You're absolutely fool. So this week's fact quote or questioner is second timer. Kevin Ulysses, Packrad. Kevin. I love that name so much. I don't know. It's a combination. His title used to be the, I think it was the deputy vice president of

Canaloni production. But he's changed it now to sketchy pup fender. Oh, sold a pup. Exactly. I get the joke, Kevin. And he's given us a quote this time with little message he says, Hey guys, love what you did with my first fact, even though it had various mistakes that I'm so sorry about.

And since I sold Matter pup last time, I would like to change my title for this. Sorry, Dave, no more sweet canalone. Disappointing. Where did the canoloni thing in you start from, David? I don't remember that origin. Do I? Mainly if it's just me liking kennel.

Oh, that makes sense. Soft, easy to eat, but very tasty on the tongue. Matt and I pulled matching faces. Kevin gets it. So this is the sketchy pop vendor, Kevin Packrad's quote. You know, if you take everything I've done in my entire life and condense it down into one day, It looks decent. And that comes from the great George Costanza.

He said also, that was my cousin's yearbook quote, who is going to Notre Dame next year. Oh. That's saying that right? Notre Dame. Notre Dame, baby. Notre Dame. Okay, you're saying it wrong.

Notre Dame. I'm saying it with the wrong accent, I think. Notre Dame. Because we'd say Notre Dame, right? Yes. But they say Notre Dame? Yeah. I love it.

They do it way better. So that is, thanks so much. Thanks, Kevin. And that, if you want to do a fact, code or question, you can support us on the Patreon, which is patreon.com slash digger on pod. That's right. And you can get all sorts of rewards

while keeping this little show pony ticking along. A couple of bonus episodes per month we're doing at the moment. Two bonus episodes that no one else except the Petron's here. So get on board. We'd love to have your support. And it's a good old time on there. Great community of people we're building on the Patreon. Last one we did was about the Mandela Effect.

Mandela Effect, that's right. When people misremembering, possibly, or reality changing? Find out if you listen to that episode. A lot of fun that one. Dave shreds a new portal hole in that theory. What just happened? What are you talking about? Dave shreds a new portal.

You ripped it a new asshole, but because they were some part of their thing. The series was that it portals to different dimensions and different realities. You probably forget, but I went deep into the Mandela Effect. I'm a skeptic. Yeah, I think it turned out normally at least one of us. He's on board. He's on board, but that one... Not so much.

It was fun, though. Listen to us tear that new asshole. Normally, because what we're going to do now is what we do at the end of our episode, where we thank some patrons by name. For their generous support. For their support. And normally we sort of try and make it themed to the episode. Yeah.

But this episode was fucked. All right. So if they were a peasant, how would we talk to? Yeah, see, I don't want to do that. So how do we, what do we do here? I was thinking name their castle. Oh, yeah. What was her great nickname?

It's pretty effed, wasn't it? The blood countess. The blood countess Dracula. They're a count or countess. But not of. blood bit of something else. Yeah, okay. A different body part.

Yeah, okay. They've got to be a body part. The body part of blood. No, a different type of bodily fluid. Oh, no. There aren't that many. There's only so many. Yeah, so somebody's going to be the count cumula.

Well, I reckon the first person would be pretty into that. Or, yeah, okay. No. Or just fluids. We could do. Fluids, just fluids. Or anything. Yeah.

Countess anything. Yes. This is pretty funny. Fluids is funny. I want to hear the first thing that Dave comes to your mind, Dave. When I say, I'd love to thank Brandon Edwards from Jefferson, Indiana. The Count of Gatorade. Ooh.

Yeah, what flavor? Blood. Blood orange. Blood orange. Oh. Some good stuff, Brandon. Count Gatorade. Indiana, you know, that is the state that...

Of hydration. Yeah, oh yeah. The hydration state. Go hydros. Electrolites. It also contains a little old town that we like to call Gary, Indiana. Yes, which we're going to be getting to next year if all goes to plan. That is right.

Thanks to our Patreon supporters. Supporters. I was just thinking whether they want us to go to Gary or not. I've already had quite a few people say they'll drive to Gary. Yes. We've also had a lot of people say, please don't go to Gary. Yeah, but I think they're starting to come around. They know we're definitely going.

We're going. So you've got to just deal with it. I mean, I'm looking at whether Brandon could get there. It's but an 89 hour walk. Ah, easy peasy. But if you drove there, Brandon. I'm also on Bing Maps. And it is hard to use.

I miss Google so much. Four hours, four hour drive from Jeffersonville to Gary Indiana. Easy. That's an easy drive. How long? Four hours. Geez, Indiana's bigish. Yeah.

Well, I think. He's right down the bottom. On the border of Kentucky. Ooh, bourbon country. Which is very, very cool. Fried chicken country. And also, I was going to say Gatorade country, but that's definitely Florida. Anyway, Brandon Edwards, thanks so much.

Thanks so much. The Count of Gatorade. Blood orange. Puts back in when the sweat takes out. That was one of those brands. I'd also love to thank from Colorado Springs in Colorado. Oh, wow. What a combo.

John Stewart. Uncle John spells it wrong but all good all the same. Count of milk. The count of milk. One milk please. Yeah. And done. He's good.

Milk. I like that. So John is just an hour drive from Denver, which contains Denver Airport. Which is where Blusifer lives. That's right. It's on the long list, I should say, of American places. visit. We've got a long, long dream list.

We're going to whittle that down based on basically where people are downloading from. So if you're in the US and you're thinking, I'd love them to come to where I am, get all your friends or your family members onto the show. Because the more people that come to the show, obviously, the more viable it is for us to come to all 50 states. Fuck, that'd be so good. Even Hawaii. Oh.

You've got to go on the way home just for a bit of R&R. R and R Alaska. Yeah, a bit of Hang 10. Nali Thank you to the can of milk Aloha I'm so sorry to everyone

I would like to thank if I could thank some beautiful beautiful people Please All the way From Tom's River Oie that's my river I'm Tom And it's in New Jersey

It is in New Jersey Tom's River I love the sound of that I love I'm looking at where that is That is a beautiful right on the east coast there. Why don't you just thank the person first? Oh, look at what the town just to the north is called.

Brick. And really close to Asprey Park, which is where I'm pretty sure the man Bruce Springsteen's from. There's someone at home having a heart palpitation. Is it me? Is it me? Hey, I'm laying bricks here. Shit and bricks here, I should have said. Anyway, from Tom's River in New Jersey. Maybe I've been putting it off because I don't want to butcher your name here.

But I'm going to have a crack. Kayla Hodkowitz. I reckon that's pretty good. Yeah. Kayla Hodkowitz, which has a W, a C and a Z. A C? Oh, what wacky alphabet is this? Honestly, he is ridiculous.

Well, let me ask you. When you come from Warnocky and he's like, oh, it's got some weird letters in there. Fair call. Absolutely fair call. But when people butcher my name, I... Hate them. I take him to task. Oh, yeah. What's the weirdest pronunciation you've had? Warnik. Yeah, I've had Warnik a few times, which I really like.

Yeah, Warnik's nice. It probably should be Vornikey, right? Varnikai. Vanekai. Dived Varna K. Oh, yeah, I'm diving Varnikai. I get Warnacki. Oh, I like that. Wonecki.

Yeah. So, yeah, Michaelides, calls me Wonecki. Does he know? No. He's wrong? Initially he didn't know. Then discovered he was saying it wrong. And then it was like, I'm just going to double down.

It's fun. Yeah, great. How often is he saying his sound? Is this is em seeing you or something? No, just when I see him, he'll say, hey, Warnackie. Work with him sometimes at the project. He's saying Warnacky. He calls me.

Even in modern days. It feels like you must have known him for 10 years. No. Maybe five. That's a long time. Save you, Michael Lodge. Anyway, Kayla Honkowitz. She's the counter.

of Matt? Oh, okay. Liquid. All right. Knock him that one out. Kayla Hodkowitz is the countess of sea salt water. Is that normal water with cracked sea salt in it? Yes.

Yes, it is. It is good for opening your paws in your gullet. Seaselt water on Tom's River. Since I had my wisdom teeth out, I have to rinse my mouth out with salt water after every time I eat. Exactly. Are you still doing that? Yes. This must be the longest recovery of all time.

No, I have big gaping holes in my mouth. Amazing. I don't know how this is so surprising to you. I had major surgery. Matt, did you say you're at work the next day? Yeah, but I'm like the Wolverine. I was very brave. I'm so sorry, you are very brave.

And also, I imagine that salt water tastes terrible. I kind of like it. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, it's one of those things. I've always liked it. I've always loved salt. Dark chocolate with salt. What do you stand on that?

I don't like dark chocolate. Chocolate with salt. Yeah, big fan. No, when I was in, when I was traveling around Europe years and years ago, there was a lint chocolate that was milk chocolate with sea salt. Here you can get dark chocolate. I, fuck, I just remembered it then. I'm finding it when we were over there.

For a little while, I think Cabberys was doing one with, like, salty crackers and chocolate, like the crackers on top? Haven't they just done one with CCs? Oh, maybe. That doesn't sound any good. Apparently, it's right. Yeah, there's chocolate with corn chips. Absolutely right.

I don't know those ones. Yeah, that were really good. I love salt and chocolate. Mmm. Yum. Salt the caramel, get it at me. Kayla, the countess. Have sea salt water.

Should I, maybe just, I could just go salt water. Now, sea salt water is. Sea salt water. You can charge a premium. Yeah. Really. It's got a certain, I don't know. I can't quite think of a word for it.

But yeah, it's got a certain something anyway. Wait, hang on. Let's say a certain. Shenosaquah. Oh. If that helps you... The Countess of Geneseecois. Where?

Oh, bon. I would also like to thank from the same beautiful country from Gastonia, North Carolina. We've already got a great state. I wish I knew one fact about it. I don't know anything about North Carolina. I can't think of anything.

Okay. I've got a few. Let me think. Which one should I go with? Okay, well, Michael Jordan's actually from there. That's where he went to college basketball. one of the goats. All right.

It's one of the top ten goats. And he, up there with Will the stilt. And he, yeah, he actually went to college there. And he wore his college shorts under his NBA

red Chicago Bulls shorts three years old career. And he wore two pairs of shorts. Yeah, two pairs. Oh, that is wacky. That is absolutely amazing. I think I know what I'm going to say for this one too. I would like to thank.

And we always, We love a fact about North Carolina and we love... Ball sweat. We love a junior, but we even more love a tray. Oh, a tray. We even more love. We love our bread. We love our butter, but even more we love each other. I'd like to thank from Gastonia, North Carolina, James Carl Williams III.

Oh, I love a third. Or the count of Michael's secret stuff. Oh. I really thought you were going to say ball sweat. I think it's one and the same. Imagine bug's funny. This will get the other cartoon characters going. The goats ball sweat.

One of the goats. I don't want to get any LeBron fans upset out there. He's one of the top 20 goats. James Carl Williams III. Thank you so much for you. What a name. James Carl Williams III. I would like to thank someone also

A little bit closer to home this time Oh really? Well a little bit, still in Western Australia Still many thousands of kilometres So far away In Western Australia Born and raised On a playing

On a mine I was trying to make it Playmines Where I spent most of my evenings E evenings Chilling out maxing Digging up iron ore

Shooting up I've been on such a good streak Never let me If I freestyle It comes out You're a bad bad My version of freestyle is slightly altering the lyrics of a TV show

Anyway from Western Australia I would like to thank Chris Pots Oh Potsy Potsie Potsie I like that Jesus, from James Carl Williams III, which I'm like, can we ever get close to that?

But I reckon. Chris Potts is great. Pots is a sweet name. I think that's cute as. Dave, count of. Oil. Oh, oils and oils when Chris Pots is around. Very wealthy.

Yeah, that's great. Good for you, Potsie. But humble. Oh, what we're talking like, we're talking like Black Gold, Texas, Tate. Oh, we're talking Texas. Black gold. Oh, was it like olive oil? Olive oil?

You mean like Pop-I's girlfriend? No, his oil is the one that they are. You know she's a person. She's not just... She's a cartoon girl. My wife's girlfriend. She's got her own stuff going on.

Okay? What show is she on? The Olive Oil Show? Yeah. Probably is. She probably had a spin-off. Why not? The olive oil hour of power.

Very good. Thank you, Potzi. Potzi. And I'd also like to thank from Great Britain This is another good name. Robbie Lenny. Oh, a double E.

Roby Lenny. Roby Lenny. Roby Lenny. It's got a certain rhythm to it. Roby Lenny. Roby Lenny. The Count of Vineyga. Where's he from?

Counter Vinegar. He's from the UK in Cumbria. Oh, Cumbria. That's an old place, right? I like to destroy. I guess old places are old, really. And it's all relative, isn't it? Australia's a very new country.

So anywhere else compared to us feels like they've got a lot of history. You know? Like a building here that's 20 years old is heritage listed. Yeah, that's true. Though, our first people, first, yeah, indigenous people have the oldest culture, continuous culture in the world. So fucking suck on that. Yeah.

Suck on that. Lenny. Robbie, Lenny. No, good on her. I know you don't think it's a competition and I've got to say we've had very little to do We can't really claim I don't think we can claim a lot of them

To be honest I can only claim anything that's happened since 1990 I but Robbie Lenny I really hope to see you all the way from Cumbria Or maybe one of our UK shows That'd be cool And to everyone that is coming out to those shows They are all sold out now Except for the one show in Birmingham

Oh really cool So I might go along So I could still get a ticket I'll see if I'm free. You can get a ticket to your stand-up show, possibly, Matt, in London. Oh, yeah, I should probably have mentioned that more. But I think that is, I think that's all out. It's going well.

You're close. If it isn't, it's close. Check it out if you want to, though. Matt Stewartcom.com slash, is it gigs or shows? It's gigs. Gigs. I reckon you say gigs. Yeah, I reckon say gigs.

Whenever you listen to it, even if you listen to this in a year's time, maybe I'm coming back to your place. Hey, that could happen. Robbie, Lenny. I want to be, I swear to. God, I'm going to be singing that in my sleep tonight. Roby, Lenny. That's going to be very annoying for your neighbours.

Potsie! Potsie! Hey, pottsy! I'm pots in here. And thanks for everyone that supports us on Patreon. It means a lot to us one more time. It's patreon.com slash do go on pod. If you would like us to have fun with your name.

Yeah. Have fun with his nicer, yeah. Yeah, I had fun with it. Robbie, Lenny. That's a weekly planet catchphrase. Yeah, I had fun with it. That's my mace. impersonation.

I had fun with it. That's when they didn't really like a movie. It's a real subculture lingo thing. You've really got a, it's an airplane flying overhead. Is that the mic's picking up? I doubt it. Just looked at like her ears, like actually got up higher, like a dog. Like the dog she is.

Aeropo? Raggy? Oh my God. I'm the Scooby-Doo of this group. Yeah, I'm definitely the shaggy. Oh, no. I'm the scrappy dude. Oh, I was going to say Daphne, but okay.

Daphne. Daphne's a bird. No, she's smart. Oh, or is it, no, I'm Wilma. Wilma. I'm Wilma. You can be scrappy for you. No, you're definitely scrappy.

Yeah, now that you've put it out there, you're scrappy. Scrappy sucks, you ruin the show. Yep, that's about right. Sounds it. Oh, piss off. I'm Wilma. I need this. I solve the crimes.

Oh, hang on. We haven't even considered me being Fred. Yeah, he's definitely not Fred. God, he's such a dream bird. What? That's Fred? Fred. Is that Frenny Prince Nunea?

Yes. Lost control that one. I think I said Frenny. Frenny Prince Nunea. Nunea. Oh dear. I'm going to wrap this up. Please.

I'm going to do that. Well, it's just spinning out of control. If you want to get in contact anytime, all the links are on our website. Do go on pod.com. We're on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. YouTube's happening. We've got an email. It's do go on pod.g.g.com.

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