Do Go On - 156 - The Shark Arm Murder

Episode Date: October 17, 2018

Well it's BLOCKBUSTERTOPHERGRACE ... FEST and this week we look at your #1 topic category - unsolved mystery! This story is wild and we were in a very silly mood so there are a lot of tangents also. And a lot of references to Australian TV shows from the 90's. Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] References: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Arm_casehttps://www.vice.com/en_au/article/qv3eyw/australias-weirdest-unsolved-murder-case-began-with-a-shark-coughing-up-a-human-armhttp://www.sydneycrimemuseum.com/crime-stories/the-shark-arm-murders/https://www.ranker.com/list/shark-arm-case-facts/trilby-beresfordhttps://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/38941743https://strangeremains.com/2018/07/23/the-shark-arm-murder-mystery-that-shocked-australia/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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And welcome to another episode of Dugo One. My name is Dave Warnikey and here we all are. It's me with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello. Hello. I feel so good to be back in the habit, Sister Act 2. It feels so great. I will follow him.

It's been a whole week since we've released an episode. Follow him wherever he. It's been the longest period in between episodes, but also the shortest period in between episodes. Because we are very consistent. We've not missed a week. Honestly, that blows my mind because I've never been that committed to anything in my life. You can set your clocks to us if your clocks needed to be. If you only wanted to check the time once a week.

And it was one o'clock on a Wednesday. Yeah. If you're Melbourne. Give it like a couple of hours. Yeah, depending on time zone. That's interesting. Everyone, like most people around the world, would have all of a sudden been getting it an hour earlier. Oh, yeah.

Because it's now Dalit's savings here. Melbourne, Victoria. That's where we are. Australia. Oh, is that how you say it? That's how I say it. We all say it. Hey, it's Blacktober month.

Fest. That's all in the title. That was all in the title. It's in October month, Motherfax Fest. Yes. Basically, it's such a famous event. now you can you can just say it's block and people know what you're talking about. Yeah.

What do you guys doing for block? Come around for my place for block. Yo, black, what's up, block? Where are you going to be for block this year? Are you visiting your parents or are you about you in town? No, I'm camping out. For block? For all of block.

Oh my God, buck air. Yeah. I love block camping. Yeah. It's good fun. We're now, this is the halfway point of block. We've made it halfway through block. That's the hardest half.

Yeah. The first half. It's all downhill from here. The sweet downhill ride. Love that. It's my favorite bit of hiking. Yeah. Is the bit where I get to go home.

I love it when it's over. Yeah, for me, hiking's always over and it's great. Hiking's always over. Oh, yeah. I started when it was over. Yeah. Anyway, for people, for the two, maybe three people on this earth that don't know what block is. You don't know what Block is?

Do you know. How have you been? There's two people. Well, it is the biggest month of do go on podcasting of all time. Time, time, time. And we're doing the biggest, most popular topic types. And this week we're doing the most popular topic type, as voted by you, the dear listeners. Two weeks ago, we did the third most popular type of topic, which was.

Quirky events from history. Last week, we did the second most. popular type of topic, which was a serial killer. This week we're doing... Yeah, I'm allowed to speak too, Dave. Matt, but he just pointed at me on. I don't care. I'll talk what I want.

Here I go now. La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la. I'm so tired. That is not talking. I'm so sorry. Your illustration of you talking whenever you want was singing. Yeah. I'll just do that too.

In the style of Babe the pig. Yeah. La la. This week we're doing the most popular type of topic ever, which I forget what it is, and Jess will remind me. Then next week we're doing the most requested ever topic. And then to bring home the month,

we're playing our live Melbourne episode from Howler, which we recorded on the weekend. And it was sick, I assume. We're recording this just before. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Don't give that away. I've been to the future. And it's all they talk about.

Really? Yeah. What happened? Was there a fire? Some sort of a nuclear event. Oh, and Howler? Yeah, well, they refer to it as Ground Zero for these days. That's interesting.

Or Growler Zero for some reason. Oh, good. Edit that bit out, please. In the future, they talk gibberish. Anyway, this... I'll fit in just fine. This week we're doing the most popular type of topic ever, which is, Jess, what is it? Well, it kind of ruins it by letting you know at the start that it's a mystery.

So we put out, we put out like 20 different kinds of topics, and about a quarter of the votes came. I'm in for mystery topic. But wasn't it more specific than that? Oh, God. Can I just ask, did people think that it was like, here are 20 options, but the 21st option is a mystery option. We won't tell you what it is.

What's in the box? That's why people voted. They're like, oh, I don't know what that is, okay. I love that. Or do people think they were voting for a mystery from history? If they were voting for like mystery box kind of thing, bravo to them. Because I'm never brave enough to do that.

Take a chance on the thing you know anything about it. I'm like, no, I'll order the same thing I always do. Thank you. Yeah, Nochi Carbonara. Thank you very much. Unsolved mystery is what you were alluding to, Matt. Is that all it was? No wonder that was so popular.

And again, kind of, I purposely left that word out so that there was some kind of feeling of... Well, feel free to edit all this out. Remember you're in control. Oh, okay. This is my fault. I reckon we might solve it though. Do you reckon? Matt and I are pretty good detectives.

the facts to us? This is a really fun story actually. I'm really excited about this one. I had a lot of fun reading this. That's my headphones you're turning down for the second time now. Thank you. That's a good level for me. Thank you. I'm very excited. Yeah, it's a really fun story. And as per usual, I don't have a question, but I thought we could actually do something a little bit different. No. To help guess the title. Okay. Right? So it's a three-worder. It's a the Dda, it's a four-worder. What is the?

That doesn't count. But I'm going to put it in here, so now it's four. The, da, da, da, right? So it's, it's, okay, so all you need to do is name an animal and a body part. Beaver leg. No. Ooh, animal body part. Not necessarily the body part of an animal.

I'm saying it's an animal, first word, second word, body part of a human. human. Horse penis. I couldn't. You went straight to horse penis. I was going to say horse hoof, but then he said it wasn't that necessarily linked up to that animal. No.

Is horse right? No. Giraffe penis. No. Is penis right. Penis is incorrect. Penis is incorrect. So penis is right.

Think more of a water dwelling animal. Hippo. No. Wow. Okay. Fish. Ocean. Yeah.

No. Dolphin? Goh. Goel. Welfon. Whalphan. Not a wulfin. Turtle.

No. Piranha? Scarier. Bigger. Shark. Shark. Boom. All right, we've got the animal.

Tooth. Is Nado a kind of? A body part? Yeah, is Nadeo? Point to your Nado? Are you pointing at your penis again? I'm pointing to my rock art abs. You call him your Nado?

Yeah. Check out my Nado. It's going to go down to the local pool. Show off my Nado. Yeah, I'm working out on Mnato today. So I say at the old jime Yeah, just running on the other No, Nado is not the body part

The shark back No Shark leg No Getting a little bit closer The shark foot No Is it Greg Norman related?

It's not Greg Norman related Shark head No What's another body part that we have? The shoulders I did just move my shoulders What part Extrapolate from shoulders

Neck No, the other way Boobes Arms Shark arms Shark The shark arms. Boob!

Shark arms. The shark arm murdered. Wait, what? That doesn't make any sense. Or does it? Well, I don't think any of us saw this coming. Mystery. This has been suggested only once, interestingly, by John Alderman.

And I put quite a few unsolved mysteries to the Patrions. said, what do you want to hear about? A few of them were kind of gruesome kind of murders, which I thought, this is what they're going to love. This is what they're going to go for. But they went with a different kind of murder. A shark arm murder. Which is a really interesting and like a really fun story.

Can I have an early crack at solving this one? Absolutely go for it. Obviously there's not a lot to go on so far. Okay. I think it was John Alderman. You think he? He's the only one. who suggested it.

I think he's trying to hide in plain sight. What are you accusing him of, though? Well, this shock are murders. I think he's going to say, excuse me, Judge, a jury. Is he from Australia? I think so. Was that character from Australia? I'm a judge.

If I did it, do you think I would have suggested as a topic for dogo on? I don't think so. That is an airtime. Judy. Judy. Has that person had their voice altered? Judge and Judy. Are they in the witness protection program?

Sure. And John is Australian, yes. Yeah, that's why I'm doing an accent. Is this mystery Australian? It's why you're doing... It is Australian. Where he's from. Australia, yes.

Convenient. But no, he's from Victoria. And this is set in Sydney, Australia. Oh, that is quite a long drive. There's no way he could have got up there and back. I literally just went up and back. I got back yesterday. Dave.

Oh, how convenient. That is very convenient. This was also in the 1930s. I'm going to change my guess. Ah, a good decade. We should get into this. It wasn't, though. It wasn't a good decade.

And as I'll explain in my very first sentence. The roaring 30s. April, 1935. It was a trying time in Sydney. The Great Depression was in full swing and people were struggling. Matt, come on. You fucking idiot. Insensitive.

Come on. It was a good time for me personally, that's all. Why? You know, I love seeing people struggle. He loves exploiting the working class. That does sound like you. That's our Matt. Just love seeing people struggle.

One time I was trying to carry a really heavy suitcase up some stairs and he just sat at the top. Grab the bag of popcorn. Laughed and threw it at you. Yeah, you did. And I'm allergic. Definitely allergic. He was trying to get it in my mouth. You dodged it real good.

good. Thank you. What by closing her mouth? Yeah. How does she do it? Damn it. She thinks of everything. So it's the Great Depression. There are very few attractions or activities that people could do.

I dubbed it that. People were just saying, oh, this is what a depression. I'm like, nah, this is a great depression. Yeah. And it stuck. Silver lining. You're a real positive guy. Yeah.

And that's nice. Thank you. So there weren't many things for people to do to entertain themselves back in the day because Great Depression. Nobody had any money. Not a lot of resources, but there was one attraction at the Koogee Aquarium. I mean, there were probably others, but there was definitely the Kooji Aquarium. Everyone in Sydney went there.

There was only one and it was the Koogee Aquarium. Was that free? I don't know if it was free. It was like an aquarium and bards. So I think it was like a... You did not want to get in the wrong bar. Yeah, I think it was like a local pool kind of thing as well. And I had a lot of information on it.

A few different resources made it sound a little bit different. But anyway, it had been open. since the late 1800s, 1887 to be exact. But with the recession and it being nearly 50 years old, it needed a little bit of life injected back into it to get patrons walking through those doors. And the proprietor at the time was a man called either Charlie or Bert Hobson. Oh, let's make a call.

Bert. Bert. Maybe Charlie was his son because Charlie Bert and his son set out into the Harvard to find a new star for their 25 by 15 metre pool. they were successful and they came back with a four metre tiger shark um that's where do they go and get their shark from went out into the into the harbor was that that's like a cross breed of a tiger and a shark yeah yeah yeah you do not want to see them mate i think i do yeah i do big time how would they do it well obviously the sharks on top

tiger would have to get in the water because it can still as long as it keeps its head above water the shark can't get out of the water snorke call. Ah, the most sexy. If the shark's going down on the tiger, then the tiger only needs to be half in the water. Think about it. Think about it. Think about it.

Are you going to ask me later to edit that out? Go with your heart. Anyway. So they just went and caught a shark and put it in their aquarium. It was the 30s, Dave. I love it. It's so good. So they caught a shark.

shark attacks had been on the rise that year and this was giving the public a chance to see one of these man eaters up close and that presented a good chance of saving their business it attracted quite a lot of people to come and have a look at the shark but within a week the tiger shark was appearing to be quite ill and one day in front of a I have heard this story one day in front of a small crowd of spectators the shark vomited and among the contents of its stomachs were a rat a bird, a bird, and a human arm. I read a couple of different things. One source speculated that this tiger shark had eaten a smaller shark

and that smaller shark had eaten the arm. And that arm had eaten a rat. Taduckin. No, that's a Taduccan. So there's all these people looking at this shark and it throws up an arm. How gross is that? I would have liked it even more. I don't, because I don't think, surely it wasn't in the time when, you know,

where you go to the aquarium now and you're sort of like, you're looking at them through glass tanks, like you're lower so you can sort of see them swimming around. I think it's just like the sharks in the pool kind of thing. It sounds like that they're in the 25 metre lap pool. Yeah, so you're just like standing on the edge of a pool looking at a shark. They've like roped off one lane. It's like elderly people. It's still chlorinated water.

The slow lanes is going past the shark. But the shark are basically. rules. Yeah, of course. I mean, go out of the lines. There's penguins in the spa. A flippers up on the side, kicking back.

Yeah, but they're in the penguin zone. One of them's got a cigar. Yeah. So, Voms up and up and up. Like, how much arm are we talking? From like elbow down. Oh, wow. It's forearm.

Yeah, and hand. It's pretty gross. What was the hand doing, Shuckers? Obviously. Yeah. Sharkers Oh hello

He's going That's what shark is And when the shark is And when the shark vomits You reckon it looks at and goes That's embarrassing Oh these people just saw me vomit It's a big night

It just swims away To another corner I don't know about you guys I know my brother in particular Is a silent vomiter He's so good at having a strategic spew And then just getting on with his night I am like tears running down my face, screaming, heaving.

I'm so loud too. I'm practically calling out help. I need help. I need help in here because I vomit so rarely and I hate it so much. Mine's the morning morning after a big night. Yes. Real big night or probably a big day at night. And I reckon I sound a bit like Al Pacino, like a bit of like a whoa.

Hoa! Great. Well, I'm glad we covered that. Back to bed. There's no better feeling than those few minutes afterwards. Oh, man. The relief. Remember the time I threw up here? Oh, yeah.

That half an hour afterwards, gold. But then it starts building up again, which is horrific. And you know it's coming back. And I know we thought I was hungover. I'm fairly confident. I was very sick. That wasn't good. Anyway, I'm fine now.

Can I ask you a question? Yes. And I only just thought of this then. the shark arm. Obviously that's weird. But like, you can see how a shark could eat an arm because humans swim. How about the rat?

Yeah, the rat doesn't make much sense, does it? Does it? As a rat get into the middle of the ocean. And then a shark eats the rat. The rat swim? You can get water rats. That's true. Like that TV show.

That's true. Play school. That's the guy I was on both. That was where my brain was going. That is a very niche. Yeah. Hard to understand. I love it.

Basically incomprehensible attempted a joke. I don't think, anyway, I don't think they swim in open water with a shark would be. Yeah, not far enough out that it would encounter a shark. Because the real mystery here, where there a rat came from? That is exactly the mystery of this report. I don't reckon I've solved it. Well spotted, Dave, okay. Jay LaGaya.

Two words. That rat. International listeners might know him as some guy in Star Wars. Yeah. Just should be a huge star. I think he's got eight children? That's too many. Impressive.

But the question is, Jay LaGyre. Huh? No? Does he know what's causing it? I thought the question was, Jay LaGeyer? It was going to be. I realized it made even less sense than Matt's water rats' joke.

And that's hard to do. Okay, so the shark, the aquarium in front of a bunch of people, it's thrown up. So some police officers attended from Randwick Police Station and the limb was pulled out of the water. It was a left arm with a length of rope attached to the wrist. Oh, that's not good. Like it had been dangled in. That makes it sound like, yeah, that makes it sound like it was a bit of bait.

People have gone fishing with an arm or a whole body. Yeah, wow. And it just ripped the whole thing down. And on the inside forearm, there was a 20 centimetre high tattoo of two figures boxing. You've got a tattoo On my right arm Oh thank God You love boxing

No You're missing your left arm No it's right here Oh okay sorry under the table And this is my My tattoo on my right wrist Oh it is too no I was gonna say

I'm looking at you the wrong way around I'm like no it's on your left side But yeah you've got me again I'm facing you Yeah But it's on my left Is it my arm Am I dead

Am I in heaven? Is this heaven? Oh my God, imagine if this was heaven. Feels like it. Stop it. Every day. I was fishing for that because I wanted you to say it first. Fishing with an arm on a rope.

Wait, that reminds me the time I died. Okay, so it's a left arm. There's a tattoo on it. The police were convinced the shark arm incident was a prank, either by the staff themselves or by local medical students that had too much time on their hands and access to spare cadaver parts. I mean, we have to remember this is a time when no one's having any fun, apparently. So you've got to chop up an arm, feed it to a shark, you know, make the most of your time.

You make your own fun, life gives you lemons. You find an arm, chuck it in a pill. I like to think that's just lazy cops, and that's what they say for every crime. Yeah, I reckon someone's just pranking. No, my shop has been robbed. There he's running away right now. Yeah, just those medical students are there. Yeah, yeah, and I'll turn around and you'll squirt me with a water pistol.

They've been here before. Anyway, have a great day. Ruffles their hair and leaves. I'm ruined. Please stop them. Alrighty. You kids keep me young. So they're thinking, they're kind of underreacting, I suppose.

They're like, nah, this is just a prank. But then things grew a little bit more frantic when the coroner reported that the arm hadn't been bitten off by the shark at all, but actually severed by a blunt knife in a. suspected act of foul play. To me, that lines up more with the cadaver, someone cutting off an arm. Yeah. True.

What do you think? In the cop's world, have they got a whole body dangled in one arm? That's the prank. The shark's bitten it off and they've taken a now armless body back to medical school. Obviously, that'd be the prank, but it looks like someone's cut it off with a medical knife. Well, that just doesn't add up at all. Actually, that shop might have been robbed after all. So the police...

Nah, we weren't, we were pranking. They're all there in the same room. The police had two main questions. Whose arm was it? Great. This is great detective work. What's the follow-up? The bloody hell didn't end up in a shark's tummy.

All right, that. Third question. Third question. What's for lunch? I'm hungry. Flake? Get busy eating. Get busy dying.

Get busy eating. I can live my life that way. That sounds like heaven. Should we get matching tattoos as I get busy eating? I'm very up for matching tattoos. I was so, I'm very tired today because I haven't had a lot of sleep as I never do on this day of the week. And earlier I was craving chocolate, so I ordered churros on Uber. Uberites, just some churots.

Oh. A little chocolate dipping sauce. And was it good? It was so fucking good. I'm so happy. I ordered dessert for the first time a few weeks ago. It was. You mean first time on Uberites?

A vanilla cronut. Oh. You just felt like something a little sweet. So I had a little, yeah. A little sweetie? Because I'm having one cheek day a week and it was getting very close to midnight. Oh, and you got to get it. I'm like, what a wasted day.

I hadn't had anything. Yeah. So yeah, I had a midnight. midnight cronut. Yum. Good. It was delicious. I've never had one before.

Yeah, they're pretty good. I think the cre means croissant. Correct. And the nut means pistachios. Hmm. Oh, so it's not a croissant slash donut. What? Oh.

There wasn't anything pistachio about it at all now that you mention it. I've been living a lie. Sorry, guys, I've got to go. I got some phone calls to make about the crow-hart. Everyone, please, call your loved ones. Let them know. The police had two main questions. Number one, what the hell is a crow-note?

Number two, how did it get inside a shark's stomach? Okay, so the questions are, whose arm is it? How did it get in the shark's tongue? The press, as they do, took off with the story and were reporting a few different things. They blamed exhibit tamper. or a genuine shark attack because apparently as I mentioned before, shark attacks were kind of high, they were on the rise that particular year.

So this is like in April. So, you know, in that previous summer, there'd been quite a few shark attacks. Forensic technology was obviously fairly limited in the 1930s, but new fingerprint technology, fingerprint technology. You called yourself up for that. Well, I thought I'd get in before you did. Fingerprint. Fingerpring.

New fingerprint technology. was able to link the arm to a man named Jim Smith, a criminal and police informant. So here's a little bit about Jim Smith. I'm having so much fun, by the way. Are you having fun? Yeah, and I also got to pay respect to the 1930s cops who back in the day, rather than running a fingerprint scan,

had to actually compare the fingerprints to like a database. Yeah, that's what I was just thinking. You have to go loop, loop, yep, yep. No, a little bit different. Next, loop, loop, like, can you have? Imagine how horrible that it. Easy. Put it on tracing paper. Just hold them up.

That may have been how they did it. I should have been a cop in the 30s. Should have been. Couldn't do it now. Too much bloody paperwork. Too much bloody IT. What am I? I want to be a cop or a bloody IT consultant.

Yeah, what am I? Bloody, I go. I've got me get the iPad out and solve a murder. I want to throw you bloody, jag and jeez. I just want to get out there on the beat. Yeah. I just want to hit the beat. I want to hit the beat.

Honestly. Honestly. We should hit the beat. Can Dave come? Yeah. I'm more of an IT kind of guy. Yeah, that sounds about right. So Jim Smith was an English-born former boxer, hence the boxer's tattoo,

who lived in Balmain with his wife and child. He'd tried his hand at being a pro boxer, but once it became obvious that he didn't have the skill to make it, he turned to other work to support his family. He'd managed a billiard saloon, a seedy type of place where crime flourished. Ooh. And it was either there or at a different Tadazol's club where he had worked that he met a major criminal name. He met a major criminal named Reginald Holmes. Reggie Holmes.

It's a good name, isn't it? This is a quote out of a really good article that I've probably based a lot of this report on because it's so thorough. And it says, Reginald Holmes was a man of many titles. In addition to being a well-loved family man and respected member of society who gave back to the community with church donations, he was an active heroin smuggler and insurance and business fraud mastermind. Wow, that guy sounds great.

He started out sounding really good. Yeah, which parts did you like? Well-loved family man. I found him a bit dull early. Respected member of society, church donations. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Joe. Heroin dealer. Oh, hello.

Morning. Heroin smuggler. an insurance and business fraud mastermind. Love it. He employed men to drive fast motorboats out to sea and collect packages of cocaine and other goods thrown overboard by semen on incoming ships. This is starting to sound like an episode of water rats.

Do you think? Jay LaGai. Do you think Ligai is a bomb? I think it could be Ligai? Do you think the Ligai will play original in the movie? That would be so good. Who's Phelpsi playing? Jimmy Smith's

I guess Jimmy Smith would probably play Jimmy Smith Yeah Is that his laugh? Who's Felpsy? Phelpsi? Who's Felpsi? Oh, Jess, please

Michael Phelps? I didn't watch water us Is it Michael Phelps? Peter Phelps Michael Phelps is a swimmer Yeah, and he can outswim a freaking shark Jess, so how good would he be in this story? Well, I, there's no out-swimming sharks.

Peter Phelps from Stinginian. Oh, Peter Phelps, yes, okay. He's also the guy. go at the end of, what was the, what was the County Reeves' surfing crime movie? Where he goes, Utah. Give me two.

Give me two. Midball. Midball. Point break. At the end, Peter Phelps is there and he's on the beach. Because he's Ozzy. Yeah, he goes, well, I can't remember what his line is. It's something like, oh, that's crazy.

Swell out there, it'll die. They made it, like, the director's like, he said it normally in his Australian accent. They're like, no, no, do it more Australian. So in film, it's like, it's like he sounds like an American doing an Australian accent. He was also in the first season of Baywatch. He was too. The first ever one.

Oh, he was in the first ever. Yeah. What hasn't he done? Is that crazy? Am I thinking of the right person? Is he bald now? No, no. I'm not thinking of Gary Sweet.

I love Gary Sweet. This is Phelpsi. I've got his WikiBegger. I think I'm thinking of the right person, but just show me. Okay, no. I'm not thinking of him. Imagine him but 25 years harder. Yeah.

Oh, he's already a bit of a back. No, he's not at all. 25 years harder. Yeah, got it. Okay. So can I move on? Are you both on a moment to Google Peter Phelps? I've got a photo of Phelps here.

And in the background there's a photo, I think, of Gary Sweet, the bald guy we were talking about. Yes. I love Gary Sweet. I want to find his line. No, you can keep going. Oh, may I? Please do go on. Oh, thank you so much.

So, okay, so yes, he's got men going out to collect parcels being dropped off by incoming ships and he made more money from this and his other criminal activities than from boat building. That was his primary job, you know, like to the public. Sure, like I work in construction. Exactly. Waste management. He was a boat builder. I'm a boat builder.

And he did build boats, but he made more money by doing. all these criminal activities. I'm sure he was paying tax on everything. Of course he was. Declared all income. Yeah. He employed Jim Smith to carry out different tasks like cheating builders out of their building supplies and over-insuring property before the property would then mysteriously burn

down. All right. This is not as nice. So cheating builders out of their... Out of their goods? But were they bad builders? Nah, like Bob the builder. They just wanted to defunders.

fix things. Has Bob the bit of that good? Yes. He can. Doesn't answer the question though, does it, Jess? People, Bob was so quick to answer if he could. He never answered if he should. Should I fix it?

Nah. Nah, don't worry about it. That's not yours. Bob the builder. What are you doing at my mind? We fix it. Bob the builder. That's not yours.

Got out of here, Bob. You can see your kids on every second Sunday, your dog. I'll be back. Judge's order. I'll go plumb this onsuit and I'll be back. Oh, he's a plumber now as well. I've got to take the work when I can, Jess. No, you're not wrong.

I'm a lonely, lonely man. Okay, Bob. I lost my license. Oh, dear. What license? Drink driving. Okay. It's all falling apart.

You lost your drink driving license. Yeah, can you believe it? Can't afford to get it back. I lost everything in a game of poker with a seagull. That seagull took everything. Even my Rolex. I used to be a roller. Oh, no.

Oh, no. Flashbacks are coming back. Oh. Don't take it. Just take it all. Leave me some dickness. And the jocks Come back to finish me off

Oh no Oh don't shit on me as well I don't deserve this I only cheated once I'm not good enough of your shit I don't deserve it Yeah isn't it good luck if a bird shits on you Oh come back bird

Shit on me, please. I'm so cold. Please. Anything for warm. How do we get here? Oh, that's right. He's ripping off builders. And he's burning down in Stuart houses.

I'm sorry, everybody. It hurts. This is definitely one for the fans of tangents. Oh, great. Oh, poor Bob. Anyway, we'll do a report on Bob another day. Does it get any lower than begging a seagull to shit on you? I just want to feel something.

It's an absolute rock phone. And the seagull be like, you've had enough, mate. You've got to know when to follow. Okay. So Holmes is. paying Jim Smith to do these kind of jobs for him. Played by Jimmy Schmidt. Just to recap, Jim Smith is the boxer who's possibly lost the arm.

Original Hunter is not that original D Hunter. Regional Holmes is the boat builder slash charity man slash family man. I'm imagining Tony Soprano. Oh, okay. All right, okay. Sure. So this relationship between them seemed to be working quite nicely with Smith, consistently making money from jobs he completed for Reginald Holmes.

But one scam in 1934, though, saw their relationships suffer. Holmes had over and ensured a pleasure cruiser. Oh, was that some sort of sex boat? Yeah, it's a sex boat. And it was called Pathfinder. Sexy name. Oh. I find my path. You can sink my Pathfinder.

Or? Yeah, someone's like, I'm sorry. they're like right into it and to that point like sorry I'm not quite following what do you want me to do sorry I'm not sure what you mean by now just to confirm you're here for the sex crew yeah that's right

anchors away all right we're back into it all right oh where's your rudder sorry sorry I'm not sure are you just to remember sex crews like the human sex rudder are we're going to do it on this boat or not

yeah of course yeah Yeah. All right. Let me just spin the wheel. Sorry. You're really taking me out of it. Sorry.

Have you ever been on a boat before? We're going to need to talk through a few things. Yeah, lubed me up. Swat my poop day. Oh, fuck. Let me just put this boat into gear. Whoa, what, no. I'm sorry.

I'm going to have to ask you to leave. We are in the middle of the ocean, but you will have to leave. Step off. Some of us want to have an orgy. You're not invited anymore. You may wait outside. In the ocean. You may wait in the ocean until we are done.

You may wade in the ocean. And this is an enormous boat. Surely I can just sit out here. You can be inside having your orgy. No, no, I'll know you're there. Clearly, you don't understand boats. Or orgies. They take up a lot of room.

Anyway, a pleasure crumb. Pleasure cruiser named Pathfinder. So this is Holmes's boat. He overinsures it. And sadly, the boat sank. Can you imagine his luck? Oh, pretty good. Pretty good luck.

Well, I mean, he's lost his boat, Dave. But I suppose if you mean that he's got insurance on it, and that's lucky. Sorry, it's lucky he's got insurance. Yes, lucky he was smart enough and had the money to get insurance on his big fancy boat. Which we, you know, if you got a big boat, you should insure it. That's our tagline. I insure everything.

Really? Every single thing. Really? Insured. So maybe if this water bottle had a little accident, you'd be cool with that? I'd be covered. I wouldn't be cool with it. It's my favourite water bottle.

Okay. I got that in a vending machine. Aluminium. I was going to pretend that you've got an environmentally friendly water bottle. Sorry, just to confirm you guys are here for the sex crews? Yeah, can you hear us doing four-plate running? If anything was going to happen to that water bottle, oh yeah. All right.

What's going to happen to it? Let's find out. Let's find out together. So, got a little two-in-s-like, knocks it off the table. Ooh. Oh, we got ourselves a bad boy. This is David and Orchie. Oh, yeah.

What's going to happen to? I do a lot of shoulder movement. There's a lot of shoulder. Okay. A lot of eyebrow work happening as well. I think you're speaking my language. The language of love. Yeah, Dave's waiting in the water for sure.

100%. Hey guys are doing up there. Much long in a go? It's getting pretty cold. Did you knock that bottle off the table? Yeah, I bet you did. Knock the bottle off of me, Bell. Anyway.

So the boat has sunk. He has insurance. Thank God. When he went to file his insurance paperwork, though. The deconstruction? That's not right. What word am I looking for? The boat no longer being with us.

The boat's demise? Yeah, sure. The demise of the boat had been deemed as suspicious by the police. And Holmes was left out of pocket. It appears Smith had snitched to the police. Oh. And this made Holmes suspicious of his long-time employee. But it's all speculation at this point.

We don't know. We don't. There's another name we need to know as well. And that name is Patrick Brady. He was a long-time friend of Jim Smith and also played the insurance fraud game. is another nice little quote here. It says despite coming from an honest hardworking family, he strayed away from this lifestyle to mingle with the criminal underworld

after discovering he had a talent for forging the signatures of generals in World War I. His talent brought him to Sydney Harbour where he worked with Smith and Holmes, a perfect criminal trio. Is it specifically generals? He's just good at forging. Okay, I thought you could only forge a general signature. Because he was in the, he did serve, so when he was serving in the, in World War I, he figured out he could forge signatures of generals,

which just then led him to realize he had a skill for forging in general. Love it. In generals. Thank you. And due to the Great Depression hitting Australia quite hard, Holmes was losing money and falling behind in his finances now. And to make things worse, Smith started to demand more money for the work he was doing and even threatened to blackmail Holmes. Motives?

One night Jim Smith told his wife that he was going fishing A few nights later When he hadn't returned She began to worry I love the old days so much Usually his fishing sessions go

Sessions go for days But nights Multiple nights Even then Like sure leave early in the morning And then maybe be back In the Arvo Late evening

But after you haven't come back the next night, I reckon I'm going to be alarmed. Unless you've specifically said, but maybe this is just a reflection on my own relationship in our impeccable communication skills. Right. And that I know his whereabouts at all times. What time are you?

I put a tracker in him. In him. You put a tracker in him? In him. Oh. Up the butt? Yeah, of course, up the butt. That's where you put the tracker up the butt.

It's the most accurate place to track. His butt's always with him, isn't it? It is. I've got to put in his wallet. He always leaves it around. Great antenna, too. Yeah. For that, getting that signal out, that big, beautiful blood.

And where he is at all times. Oh, yeah. You want to check? I'll open up my laptop. We'll check where he is. Yeah, I'm butt finder.com. Probably a real website. Yeah, probably.

Anyway, so she begins to worry after a few nights. But yeah, again, doesn't really seem like she was worried because she didn't, I don't think she reported it to police or anything like that. Just kind of felt a bit agitated herself. One night she received a mysterious phone call from a man. And that man said, don't worry, Jimmy will be home in three days' time. But Jimmy never made it home. Okay.

So what a weird phone call. And oddly specific. If you had taken someone, murdered them, it's already been a few days. Why do you then call and say, don't worry, he'll be home in a few days? I reckon just buying a little bit more time to get rid of the body, I guess. I reckon it's a ransom gone wrong. They're on the phone. I'll take this.

No worries. He'll be back in three days. Beep, beep. Did you ask them for the money? Oh, shit. That was my last quarter. I just told him that we're going to give him back in three days for free. Damn.

And that guy just, he would have got killed there as well. Yeah, he got killed. He got real killed. They called his wife. He's been dead for three days. Wait, no. You've got to keep my life. Another death.

Hang on. It's a bloody blood bar. Yeah, it was a mess. You thought last week's episode was a blood barb. This is next level. It's a blood buddy spa bar bar. It's a blood poo. Blood poo.

Get that checked out, please, Jess. Just to confirm, no blood in my poo. Thank you. Thank you. Anyway. Jess's doctor listens to this. He does. He does.

He does. You know how I'm often sick? Yeah. He just finds it's easier now to keep track of me. He's like, oh, she sounds like her throat's clear. I literally got tonsillitis last week. Not having a good run. Anyway, police investigation.

So the police had the arm of Jim Smith, but not much else to work with. They knew that Jim Smith was last seen drinking and playing cards with Patrick Brady at the Cecil Hotel. But hangouts like these were fairly common. One place for him. That's nothing out of the ordinary. It's kind of like saying that the last place we were seen was strippers. We go every Monday afternoon. Every muck work.

It's cheap Monday. We like their chicken wings. Five for a dollar. Have you said no? I think you were full. Very animated. I love it. It's called acting, guys.

I love it. Matt? Thank you. Take a note. I love it. You were very quiet on that bit because you don't. I was taking notes. Oh, okay.

Did you get any notes from me too? Anything I could. Yeah. What'd you learn from me? Just be in it. Be present. Yeah. Just let the roll wash over you.

Yeah. Listen, react. Don't recite lines. Live the lines. Live the lines. Is that Al Pacino? again. Live the lives.

Oh, wow. Yeah, the wrist action there is very good. I can see the Italian in you now. Yeah, yeah. I can never see that before until now. One-eighth Swiss Italian. Yeah, I know. You say it all the time and I've never seen it.

And there it is right there. Yes. Of the northern Italians, that's why I've got the fairest skin. Also the 80% Irish and Scottish ancestry. Yeah, that probably helps mostly, yeah. Somebody thought I was Italian yesterday. Oh, you lucky duck. I was like, thank you.

How did that come up? She goes, you look like someone I work with. Are you Italian? And I said, nah. Is this a, do you work in Italy? Yeah. Is this a stranger? No, like a family friend of a friend kind of thing.

Yeah, not somebody I know well. Do you know that's always her second follow-up question? What are you having for lunch? Are you Italian? No matter what, it's always. She's got a great fact about Italy and she just wanted to get it out. Yeah, she's been. No, she's been and she's got photos.

And a few key phrases. Yeah. Ah, my been there. She's like a shape like a boot. Yeah. Do you know that? Yeah. Chicken a ball.

Venice. Sicily is the ball. A lot of water. I've got some photos. Hang on, let me find them on my iPad. My full-sized iPad I carry around because I'm middle-aged. She calls it a full-sized iPad. It's weird that she does that.

But I was like, thank you. But no, I'm very pasty. I'm Irish. And she's like just pulling... She's already got the iPad. She's putting it back in like, fuck. I don't have any pictures from Ireland. Give me five minutes.

Anyway, so yeah, they've been drinking and playing cards at a pub. But that's pretty normal. Nothing that big. They decided they might pursue Patrick Brady as a lead. And they found that he had rented. a small cottage in Cronulla at the time of Smith's disappearance on Tulumby Street, if you're familiar with the Cronulla area. I'm not, but go on.

Thank you. Police began investigating Brady. They spoke to a couple of different taxi drivers who gave details about trips Brady had taken in the days prior to him renting the cottage because he'd rented this little place in Cronulla. So they're like, what's he been up to in the days leading up to that? one of the last trips he took, blindsided investigators with a shocking new lead. He went to the home of Reginald Holmes.

The Holmes Homestead. The Holmes Homestead. The Holmes Manor. Until now, they'd not been aware of any connection between Brady and Holmes. So they swooped. They're like, oh, isn't that interesting? An old mate Jim may have been snitching on homes. So he has a reason to get rid of it.

So they nabbed Brady on completely unrelated charges of forgery, which as we know he was quite good at. Generally good at. Ah? A? Tadda. What do you want? A joke.

Apparently they interrogated him for about six hours, during which time he remained steadfast and wouldn't give them any information. You're not getting anything out of me, you're dirty cops. Oh, I can't control him when he's like this. You better tell him everything you know. Hang on, weren't you the bad cop before? Shut up!

Wait, weren't you the suspect? Do you reckon? I can't quite tell if Dave would be good or bad cop. Because he can get angry and it's fun. But also, I'm not scared of him at all. I'm not scared of you though either. Oh my God, I'm bad cop. Yeah, you're the bad cop.

I'm the scary one. I can be scary. Yeah, I don't think Dave can be scary. You scared? You intimidated? Physically? I'm literally pissing my pants right now. Oh my God, Matt.

There is a bathroom out of. side. Please, go. It's too late. You pissed your pants. The spider has been emptied. Again? Into completion. It's a weird way of putting it.

Well, I mean, you let it all go. Yes. Didn't even stop halfway. No. Oh yeah, because that's easy to do. This has got a big valve, Dave. It's on or off. Do you often stop halfway through a pee and say, I'll save the rest of the later?

Yeah, I like to challenge myself. Okay. You just want multiple trips away from your desk. So you're like, nope, half now, half later? I like to deposit my urine equally in every toilet in the office. How many are there? Every toilet. Okay.

You work in a pretty big office, though. 13 toilets. Just on your floor? Do you know how hard it is to divide something by 13? Yeah. I'll do it. I bet you would. And also, get like two more toilets.

Please. Or demolish three of them. Speak to management about demolishing three. Demolish them. Although demolishing a toilet usually means something else. Thanks you're having a hoo-ah! So they're interrogating him for like six hours. He's not budging.

But that was until they also interrogated his sobbing wife and he finally broke. He asked for a pen and paper and admitted to his collusion with Holmes. What are you laughing at? All right, I'm ready. Give me a pen up paper. He does a doodle of a dog. Look at it. It's barking there.

It's wagging his little tile. No, he just shows it to his wife to make her laugh again. You're like, eh? Huh? Yeah. Remember that dog we saw? I drew him. Anyway, what were we doing here?

Sorry, who are you? Investigators realized they needed to go after the big dog himself, speaking of dogs. Holmes. Draw the suspect we should arrest. All right, we've got to arrest that dog. Clifford. Get him. Let's get him, boys.

We've been trying to get Clifford. for years. Now this next book is pulled directly from an article because I think it was very well written. So it says in another dramatic twist to the story, Holmes ripped out of his beachfront home into the harbour on his speedboat when it became clear to him that the police were on the approach.

This is so awesome. This is so water rats. It's so fun. Cops were quick to speed out after him, but each time they came near, Holmes would abruptly jolt off again. So it's kind of like he'll go, stop and they go,

and he goes, And off and he goes again. Still on the boat. Still on his boat. He attracted a crowd of spectators near Sydney's Harbour who watched the hot pursuit go down. This is so water rats. Every single speedboat chase always had the harbour in the background.

It was the harbour bridge and the op-outs in the back of every shot. Just to make it very clear where it was set. We're in Sydney. He proceeded to zoom around Circular Key and disrupt the morning ferry services and then led the water police on a four-hour chase around the harbour and beyond. The water police, OK. No, nothing. Water rats.

What's that? Water rats. What's the show that I keep overreferencing. Do you mean? Blue Healers? You're talking about police rescue? No. With Angel.

Police rescue. And Gary Swede. Sea Patrol? Liz McCune. No. You're talking about McLeod's daughters? No. On a boat?

No, there's no horses. We're not in Mount Thomas. But I do appreciate. But, geez, Australia has made a lot of great shows. A lot of great crime shows. Are you talking about thank God you hear? I have a box set of that. I'd fucking love that show.

I wish they'd bring it back. I'll be on in a heartbeat. Tom Gleisner, if you're listening. Do you think he is? Probably not. Tom Gleisner, if you're listening, I'll be on it. No, I've said it first, Tom Gleisner. If you reboot Water Rats, Tom Glacner, I'd love to be on it.

Oh, God. And Tom Gleisner could really do a lot of things for water rats. Tom Glezner, if you do a river somewhere again, I'll be on it. I remember a river somewhere. Tom Gliser, if you do Funky Squad again, I'll be on it. Tom Gliser, what we're saying is we appreciate your work, and thank you for your service to the Australian. And thank God, you're listening.

Fuck, we are going on so many tangents today. So this is so fun. He's going on like a high-speed chase on his speed boat in the threes. It's amazing, but you've got to run under petrol, surely. Finally, Holmes killed the engine. He killed him. He's a really bad boy. I hate you both.

He's got a Tommy gun? Die, you engine busters. That was a really great impersonation of a gun. I didn't know you guys were in the noise game. Well, we're just starting out. We've been taking lessons. We're trying to catch up. Tom Glastor, if you're listening.

Pretty good noises. What was that other noise you learned in class last week? Boop, boop. What was that one? Fire alarm. Yeah. I'm still trying to get, you know, the noise when you go under a tollway in the E-tag beeps?

It's like a very specific note and I can't quite get it. I'm working on it. Oh, can you do it? Yeah, of course. Are you serious? Yeah, yeah, the E tag one. Yep. Ready?

Yep. Fuck, he is good. Sorry, did that come out of your mouth? I thought we were recording in a car just there. Have you got your phone under the table playing sound? I can see his phone and his hands are on the table. Holy car. Do it again? Just one more.

Sorry, I know you hate this, but just one more for me. No, no. I love meeting a fan. So when you go under the toll road. Always got time for you guys. It automatically connects. What sound does it make? Wow.

That one, we're low on funds. Oh, that one means... Top up. Top up your funds. Wow. I mean, I didn't need to explain that to you. This is only funny to Australians. No, not even then.

Even then they're like, please stop. So he's killed the engine. He's end of the engine. He steps up before the crowd. Pistol in hand. Fuck yeah. This is what he... apparently said, it's a cryptic phrase.

He says, two down, three across, four words. I am, two down, three across. Dave has never done a crossword. My cryptic crosswords are so hard because they're impossible. I prefer word searches. Anyway, what do you say? He said, Jimmy Smith is dead and there's only one, only another left. If you leave me until tonight, I will finish him.

It was clear that he was under the influence, apparently. But Jimmy Smith is dead and there is only another left. If you leave me until tonight, I will finish him. Well, we won't leave you then. We don't. We're trying to stop you. If we don't stop you now, you'll kill someone tonight. I've killed before and I'll kill again.

Give me five more minutes. I'll kill again. If you let me, is that cool? Please. I've just got one more. kill to do. It's like, can I go

to my friends, like my parents' wedding, getting remarried? And then after that, Can I get a plus one? I'll turn myself in. You know what I mean? It's like a nice thing to do.

Can I go to my parents' wedding? It's like, all right, we'll let you go because it's like a big thing in your family, like a funeral or something, but then you've got to come back in.

But this guy's like, all right, let me do one more crime. And then I'll have myself in. And then I swear to God, I'm yours. It's always one more with you. isn't it?

Felpsie. Which guy's? This is Holmes. Homes. Played by Phelps. I like this to it says it was clear that he was under the influence. If his behaviour didn't make it clear, the empty bottle of gin at the bottom of the boat certainly did. Bit juggie there, isn't it?

Yeah. All right, mate. There might not have been a full bottle when he started. Yeah. We've all drunk a bottle of gin before we've led the police on a high-speed Sydney Harbour water chase. And then begged to commit more crimes. Yeah. All right.

So, I mean, that's gross. So watch your tone. back off. Really patronising. Or this person's just a fucking nerd. Yeah, they sound like a nerd. What, you've never done that. Grow up.

Or are you a nerd? Come on. Probably a virgin. So who are they writing for? Probably a big, uh-go. Where there's nothing wrong with any of those things. Except for being a nerd. Yeah.

They can fuck off. Hey, Dave, you've got a new podcast about books. Yeah, please. Listen to it. It's got book cheat. It's number one across the world. That's not true at all. Under the nerd categories it is.

That's right. In terms of literature, podcasts, of which there are dozens. You're number one, baby. No, seriously, though, thank you very much. And the next episode will feature Jess Perkins. Unsubscribe. The Big Bopper. Yeah, so keep your eyes.

Any sizzle on the book it's going to be? Maybe I'll say coming out this Monday, Jess Perkins, Naomi Higgins. What a duo. That's a big duo. And I told them all about F. Scott Fitzgerald's classic The Great Gatsby. Because I've tried to read it five times and get bored every time. Yeah. And I got bored during Dave's report too.

But she was very polite. That's good. Yeah, I stifled my yawns. I just kept like putting my hand of my mind. She was farting a lot. That's a great triple. Naomi, Bob and Dave. Yeah.

I can't wait to listen to that. It was actually very fun. I had known me on primates last week to talk about the documentary, The King of Kong, which is a great, made my favourite of a documentary. Billy Mitchell. It's one of the best characters of all time. I can't believe he's real. Is that hair real?

We talked in depth about the hair. I look forward to listen to that because that's such a funny documentary. Getting a lot of feedback, especially on Twitter, of people saying, when will I have a spin-off podcast? Oh, yeah. Specifically phrasing the bar. and the answer is, oh so soon. So, so soon.

The wheels are in motion. And by that, I mean, Matt and I message each other about it frequently. The DoGo on averse is expanding at a rapid rape. Soon we will take over. It can't be stopped. Nor should it be. Soon we will lead the police on a four-hour boat chase. On our mega yachts.

Into international waters. And then I've got a gun and I'm like, just let me do one more podcast. And then I swear I hand myself it. They're like, no. No, no more. You have to stop? There's too many. Anyway, okay, so he says, if you leave me until tonight, I'll finish him.

He's drunk. The cops brace themselves for a firefight. But then Holmes raised the pistol. I'm trying to picture a firefighter. Bang, bang! I was picturing them throwing fire. Oh, I was thinking flamethrowers, like torches that would be cool. That's cool.

Like that Simpsons guy. Krusty. Anyway. What's his name with the Flamethrowers? We haven't done a Simpsons yet. Flamethrowers. It's maybe the only episode I reference. Oh, Hank Scorpio.

Hank Scorpio. Oh, yeah, I love Hank Scorpio so much. So the police are bracing themselves for some bang bang. Bang bang. If I can. Get down. If you'll permit me. Yeah.

You've mastered the goat gun. Beautiful. But then Holmes, The pistol to his own head. Oh no. And fired. He fell into the water as the police converged. Was he talking about himself?

Oh. There's only one more. And it's me. Bang. Maybe. And how long did he say he needs? Just give me a couple hours. Leave me till tonight.

I need to get up. You know, I need to write some letters. Oh, this is. But the shot to the head didn't kill him. What? What? Just grazed his temple. Gosh.

Defeated. He was at church. Defeated, he finally turned himself over to the police. Holmes, who was initially thought of as the mastermind of this whole case, pitifully told investigators a different story. He alleged that Brady was the man who killed Smith. He also claimed that Brady brought Smith's severed arm in a grisly attempt to blackmail him for a sum of money. So he's saying that Brady,

killed Jim Smith, brought the arm as proof that he'd killed him and was going to blackmail him. Oh gosh. Holmes described details of the cottage in Cronulla, told him that he knew... Go sharkies. Sorry, him describing that.

Crennallar sharks. I hear so much about the Cronulla sharks. Holmes describing details of the cottage told them that he knew more than he was letting on. Police straightened him with an accessory to murder charge to get his inquest to court to which he agreed. However, Holmes never made it to court. On the 11th of June 1935, Holmes withdrew 500 pound from his account

and late in the evening left home telling his wife he had to meet someone. So he's not under arrest or anything? No, he's just at home, he's going to court. Not under a mound or anything, even though he went for this big boat chase and they think he may be involved in a murder. So he's withdrawn 500 pounds and he's left the house. The next morning, on the 12th of June, 1935, the police approached Holmes's house to bring him to court. Before they even got to the door, they found Holmes slumped over his car,

slumped over in his car in the driveway with three gunshot wounds to the left side of his chest. It didn't take long for them to piece together what the insurance mastermind Holmes had done. He must have hired hit men and taken out a contract on himself. What? His life insurance policy wasn't a problem. applicable under suicide and his death would ensure that his wife and children wouldn't be subjected to the public shame of his conviction. It would be his last successful case of insurance fraud.

He left an estate valued at over 34,000 pound in 1935, which would be worth millions. Whoa. So he's taken out a hit on himself. That's what we would assume the 500 pound is for. Oh. Wow. And they had to pay the insurance? Yeah, well, I'd said it was a successful case.

Oh, wow. So his family was set up, but he was dead. Oh, I mean. That's sick. What a gift. What a gift. Talk about providing for your family. Yeah, millions of dollars and a dead dad.

Well. That part's less nice, isn't it? Yeah, but it doesn't sound like, I get, yeah. Look, I'm trying to find the positive here. And you always do. That's what we love about you. You hear it do go on enterprises. So, but we've still got Pat Brady.

Yeah, what's happening with old Brady? The mastermind maybe. The Brady trial went off without Holmes, obviously. But it was pretty flimsy. Those present included Smith's wife, Holmes's wife, few of the cab drivers who were willing to testify against him. And as the proceedings went on, the most glaring issue was the lack of physical evidence.

There wasn't a body. They had the arm, but no one could prove to the judge that Jim Smith was actually dead. Or if he was just wandering. around armless. All right, of course. So we don't know if he's dead. Oh.

Good point. I mean, we've just got someone who put a hit out on their own life. So these people obviously are pretty good at playing these little tricks. Look, we can probably assume. But he could have been like, all right, mate, chop my left arm off. They'll think I'm dead. And then I've got a new life. Yeah.

And it'll grow back. So I'll be sweet. Yeah. What's it going to take? Medical science was, you know, it wasn't what it is today. Yeah, he didn't. It was much more advanced. I think Brady.

I used to have arms that grew back. Yeah, not like these days, bloody nanny state. Won't let us grow our arms back? Yeah, I can't have grown my bloody arm back. Come on, mate. Come on, mate. Government, I mean. When I say, mate, I mean, government.

No mate of mine. Yeah. Not my mate. Don't call me, mate, not my mate. It's an ironic, mate, government. Yeah. All right, mate. It's a sarcastic mate.

Yep, sorry, my tone is all off. No, that's okay. No, Dave. We're still doing that kind of nice. Try again? All right, mate. All right, you're going nicer somehow. Right.

That was pretty sinister Yeah, that was a bit scary I didn't like that Alright For a helicopter I'm really confused I fear him a little bit Maybe he can be bad cop

Yeah, definitely is the scariest Of the three Yeah, because he's a bit unhinged You don't know what I'll do Yeah And I don't know what I'll do I flew to Sydney And

All right, man All right, mate Yeah Sydney Australia And a guy Australia So my two row buddies, I tweeted this too. I read the twin.

Rowing up there. Fuck, yeah, everybody made that joke. Not everybody. Like my person made that joke. Jesus. So firstly, it was like a friendly middle-aged man with a Hawaiian shirt on. He was fine. He ended up getting up and moving anyway because there was like a spare seat.

So the guy sitting next to me is wearing like cargo shorts, camouflage print and he just had an unsettled look in his eye. He looked unhinged. And he ordered a corona on a 9 a.m. flight. And he sat the entire time with his hand up, like resting on the baggage. He probably had a question. It was really strange. Probably had a question about, you know, how soon they got to the war or whatever he was prepared for.

To the war? Why is he? We're in camo. Shorts. Yeah. Not very safe. He was going to a hot war. Yeah.

Hmm, hot war. Anyway, back to this court. case. When it was decided that there was not enough evidence, sorry, that there was enough evidence to proceed, the case itself had an even shakier prosecution. Their problem was that Brady was never a violent man. He was charged with lesser crimes like forgery, but never pinned for assault. He stood at five foot four and he was quite slight, so it was also unfeasible that he'd be able to take on Smith himself. Dave. I'm tall than that. You're like five, seven. Oh yeah. You're like five, ten.

No, he's the same height as me I'm like 513 Okay Okay, he's 6-1 He's not You're 513 Are you 6-1? No

He'd be 6 I'm 6-ish I'm shrinking I'm very old Yeah that's true That does happen I was 6 at one point Okay

So Brady's 5 foot 4 Smith was a much larger man He was a boxer He was quite solid That's true No, no, no. Oh, boy. So they were saying it was unfeasible that he'd be able to take on Smith,

so he probably didn't attack him. Unless he shot him, let's be honest. Anyone can kill someone with a gun. Wow, Dave. Oh, Dave, come on. Poverty. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of a bit dismissive of people who actually have kill people with guns.

Or anyone could do it. I don't mean to offend. People plan that stuff out, man. Yeah, I don't think anyone could do it at all. I couldn't do it. Do you know what I mean? I wouldn't do it. But you could.

Well, guns don't kill people. People kill people. With guns. Sometimes. And knives, bows and arrows in weird cases. Just her feelings. Please tell me in this case, it was a bow and arrow. Broken hearts.

That's how I plan to go. How you planned to go? Well, you two will go and then I'll have nothing to live for. Thank you. That's how I always imagined it as well. Yeah, who goes first? Well. Yeah, okay, I didn't want to say it, but...

I'm obviously immortal. Dave's weak. I'm five foot four. He'll get hit by a rhino or something. Something weird is how it will go down. Oh, it's so weak. Yeah, you couldn't even outrun a rhino. A normal person would be able to take at least three gaus,

but I'd be dead after two. Okay. So a day and a half into the trial, the prosecution fell apart, and Brady was acquitted of all charges. He walked away a free man. So you've got Smith, we presume, dead, but not necessarily. Holmes is dead. Brady's free. The shark arm case was never officially solved, but there are a few standing theories.

A few years after the case, Brady's wife admitted that she'd gone to the cottage that Brady was staying at, suspecting he was seeing another woman. She claimed that she overheard not too Oh no She walked down on him He was making love to the severed arm Cheating on her with the arm Or with a tiger shark in the bathtub

To his wife I didn't want you to see me like this Gross She claimed that she overheard not two But a group of men Drinking and playing a card game No one could ever confirm who these men were But Australian legal historian

Alex Castles argued that the murder likely took place at the cottage, but Brady himself was out fishing at the time and returned to find Smith dead. So somebody else did it. He would allegedly, he would have kept silent about this, fearing for his life, because obviously he knows who really killed him, but if he speaks and he'll get killed. If Brady didn't kill Smith, he would have a good idea who did, but he would take this secret to the grave when he died in 1965.

Until his death, Brady was the sole survivor of the shark arm case And in an interview with Vince Kelly, a leading crime journalist in the 60s, Brady explained that this case followed him to his death, suspecting that people around him would whisper, That's Pat Brady. It's probably just, yeah, it's also your name. People like, that's Jess Perkins. I'm like, correct.

How can I help you? Coffee for Pat Brady? Oh, come on. Are you serious? It's in the past. Come on. I've moved on. I killed some people.

Okay. Coffee for the shark arm murderer. I forgot so. Honestly. Now you're taking the piss. Well, you asked us to call you that. That is the name you wrote on the cup. You wrote that on the cup yourself.

You insisted. You wouldn't let me write. You wouldn't let me do my job and write it on there. Oh, dear. One of his last statements proved to be true. He said, the shark arm case will never be forgotten. It will be remembered after I'm dead. That was in 1965.

And it's 2018. So he is correct. What a legacy. So he died in 65. Didn't get to see the Saints win there. Oh my God. He's one for regret. That is the saddest thing of all.

Is it? Yes. Okay. Certainly in this story. And is the theory that the rest of the body was eaten by a shark? Different sharks? Don't know. Do you think that's what happened?

I reckon he's still around. Just one arm man. Yeah, because there was no other body. Just the arm. But unless it was like, the body was maybe. buried or gotten rid of some other way and like one theory was that he'd taken the arm to Holmes as like proof so maybe only the arm was left and then it was dumped in the water or

something how did it get in the shark well that was on the pleasure cruise and I'd rather not talk about it what happens on the pleasure cruise stays on the pleasure cruise but that is the The Unsolved Mystery of the Shark Arm Murder. Oh, yes. I'm not too proud to clap myself. A bit of fun. A bit of fun. Did I do a good Dave Warnocky style telling?

Yeah, when you measured, you gave measurements early, five by. Yeah, the pool, 15 by 25. When you gave pointless measurements, I'm like, oh, this is like a Warnocky report. Thank you. A lot of pointless. I've been trying to, yeah, try to channel Dave, so that's nice. Thank you. It was well done.

I think we could all be a little more Dave. Yeah. The world would be a better place. Even I could be, to be honest. You could be a bit more Dave. I could. I'd love that. Could you?

I'll try. Thank you. Thank you so much, Dave. So yeah, that is our, that's what the people wanted. That's right, the number one. Mysteries are fun for a reason. Yes. I'm already making, I mean, we're still right in the middle of block.

And everyone's talking about it. But I'm already, I've already got big plans the next year's block. Next year, I reckon there should be an official hashtag. I think I like that, but I think I'm also going to do just like, I'm just going to, the most requested topics, I'm going to put maybe 20 in a vote and then the five or the four most popular topics. Narrow it down again. Yeah.

Yes, love that. Something like that. Cool, and you'll forget. But I'll have to do it. So I'll have to get like an outsider in to run that so we don't know. And then they tell us what our topics are. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's a bit too much admin in pod.

Keep the admin off pod. Yeah, okay. Thank you. I just want people to know that I'll work hard. We know. But by people, do you mean Dave and I? Yeah. You're just being a bit passive aggressive.

Yeah, certain people, I wish they'd step up to their responsibilities. Yeah, I wish people would acknowledge how hard I work. Speaking of hard work, I've collected another fact quote or question this week. Fuck, you're insufferable. Yeah, that's right. I opened a message. And now I'm going to read it. This week's fact quote a question.

Jesse, you're going to put in a jingle? Fact quote or question. I love the live jingle, especially. The live jingle and that, it's probably a different tune, but to me, when you sing it, it sounds like the theme from Widget the World Watcher. Okay. Is that from the 40s? The 90s, same diff.

So this week's fact, quote, or question. is from Christopher Sheiky. Shiki. Oh, he's a little bit shaky. A bit shaky. He's very shaky if you hear his title is given himself is wild. He's called himself the lady slayer. Are you murdering them?

That's what it sounds like. Are you threatening me? That's a very violent way to big yourself up. Are you threatening that you'll slay me? Did he choose this? I think so. So this is Christopher's first foray into the fact, quote, or question segment. She's a little freaky.

And the way you get into this is David. That made me spit. Jess, do you want to explain the fact, quote, or question? Yeah, people choose a fact quote of question. How do they do that? By being Patreon. Their supporters. Basically.

If I could take it from here. How dare you? I nailed it. Go on. Give other information that makes it clearer. Yeah. If you would like to be. If you would like to be as freaky as our friend, Shiki.

Oh, God, you just want to say that again. Yeah, I did. Patreon.com slash do go on pod. If you want to support the show, keep us going. Have you listened every week? Like we said at the top, we've never missed a week in nearly exactly three years coming up. You want to keep us going. Go to that web address and you get stuff in exchange for your pledges,

including two bonus episodes a month. We give a shout out to you live on the program. You get a newsletter. You get a bit behind the scenes. Matt's created an exclusive Facebook group. for our Patreon supporters. Yes, it's been running the last few weeks. It's been a lot of fun.

It's been a real hive of activity. So that's a lot of fun. Yeah, and we love having a chat to you in there because Patreon, you don't seem to talk as much as we'd like. So we like that the Facebook's going on there. And also, you can submit a fact quota question. And also now...

I literally said all of that. Now you're also supporting the other podcasts as well. Without doing anything, if you're supporting us on the Patreon, you're also supporting Dave's new podcast bookcheat. And he's now going to be shouting out to Patrons on new episodes of the podcast. And I'm doing the same on primates. I'm letting people reading out Patreon's favorite primates. And I'm getting some bloody top suggestions.

Very, very good. So you support a whole universe of podcasts. Anyway, Freaky U Shiki has suggested this fact. And Bob, I reckon you'll bloody love it. It's relevant to two past episodes of Duke. go on. And that fact is most Muppets are left-handed. I knew that. And the reason for this is most Muppeteers are right-handed, so they operate the head with their favourite hand, meaning their other hand is operated by the other hand. That's why Muppets are superior beings. What is a Muppet?

It's not quite a Muppet. It's not quite a puppet. So in answer to your question, I don't know. No. That's the second Simpsons reference for the day. Got to get it in there. Got to get it in. I'm putting one every week on bookcheed as well, I reckon. Yeah, great. Why not?

And we're doing full episodes of primates. Yeah, so we'll never outlive. Dave and I have done two whole Simpsons episodes on Primates already within the first two months of the show existing. Anyway, we can't be stopped. So thanks so much, Christopher Fricky, you lady slayer. Please don't kill anyone. obviously lady or otherwise yeah i mean don't kill anything okay yeah apart from um poverty kill poverty and bad vibes yeah do i mean just get rid of those bad vibes thanks

thank you for saying that thank you so much for saying that you're so welcome there's another thing we like to do on this podcast Dave i'm going to explain what it is and then please feel free to then explain what it is. Okay, I'll... How about we go the other way around? What? If I go first this time, then you explain it. Oh, no.

Get fucked. Because... I'm doing it. And I'm going to do it perfectly. Ooh. Well, my thing that was I was going to explain it really, really badly. Okay, go on then. Later explain it.

Well, at the end of the show, we do a thing. Okay, well, I gave a lot more information in my expression. You just went, uh, Pedro? Yeah. And people were like, yeah, I get it. Because they're not idiots, Dave. to talk down to them. They're a smart people.

Don't patronise them. I'm not going to Patreon-nise them. Well, if they feel patronised, they can contact me through patreon.com. Do go on podcast. And if you do support us on patreon.com, then we will give you a shout-out on our episodes and we will thank you for supporting us. And that is what we're going to do now. Oh!

And we're going to give them a murder with an animal and a body pot. Great. We're going to give them a murder. Give them a little murder. And I would love to kick it off if that's okay with you guys. That's so okay. Thank you so much for asking, though. No worries.

This guy is from one of my favorite places in the world. I've never been there, but I really do hope to go there next year from Ohio, in particular Cleveland. Cleveland rocks. Mr. Mike Kilbane. Oh, that's already a murdering name. Yeah, Mike Kilbane, the dog leg killer. Oh, dog leg. Yeah.

What does he double back? Yeah, he just takes sharp turns. Doubles back. Oh, I actually forgot to kill him. Hang on. Let's do a quick you turn here. Okay, I panicked. I just went for it.

No, dog leg killer is great. Yeah, dog leg killer. I mean, if that was in the papers, you'd be shooting yourself. Dog legs, that's a pretty common phrase to mean just around the corner or sort of. It's a golfing turn. It's a dog leg left or right if the holes bends one way or the other. Yeah. I've heard that I reckon.

The whole bends one way or the other. I think it deviate off the main path. Yuck. Mike Kilbane, the dog leg killer. I love it. And I'd also love to thank from Queensland in Australia. From Gainter, Mr. Zach Shepard. Zach Shepard.

The Cheetah Toe killer. Tita Toe. Cheetah. Cheetah toe. Love it. So are all of these, the animal coughing up at the body poop? No, it pooped a toe. It pooped a toe.

Imagine that. Hopefully they would cut their nails. Sorry, cheetah. Oh, my butter. Fastest land animal. Yeah. Fastest on land, slowest to sake of shit. Took hours.

Zach. Shepard. Sack Shepard, the Cheetah To Killar. Sorry about that. Cheetah To Killer. That's got a nice ring to it. Dave, you want to thank a couple? Dave, you want to thank a couple?

I'd love to. Dave? Just, uh, work out. Jess, you would like to thank a couple. I'll thank a couple. I would like to thank from, uh, what's IA? That's why I pause. I wanted to look it up.

I'm just like Indianapolis. I made that up. Ooh. Let's see if you're right. IA. Yeah, it could be Indiana, but it's not. I would recognise it from Gary. I.N.

Yeah, what's I-A? Iowa. Iowa. None of us will have got that. Slipnut Town. And I would like to thank Nathaniel McLean. Oh, Nathaniel McLean. Matt, the...

Animal. Okay. Shal. Sh... Sh... I started with Shatlin, Tony. First animal. What you think of.

Animal. Cucabara. Cucabara. First body part. Deltoid. The Cucabara deltoid killer. Yes. Love it.

Thank you. What's a deltoid? I've said that word recently. It's a muscle. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's also, you know. Shoulders.

It's also a river system. So the Cucabara river may have been. why they've been killing people. Oh, that's nice. Oh, that's nice. The Cucabara River, that sounds cute. Anyway. The Mississippi Delta.

But the Delta Cuccavara killer, or the Cuccoboro Delta killer, is a lot less cute. Yeah, 100%. But thank you to Nathaniel. We really have to examine that body part to work out what the Cucobar's coughed up there. Delta was also a name of one of the gladiators in the 1990s run of the TV show Gladiators. My favourite was Tower. My favourite was Vulcan Oh he was the main guy

And Delta And also Delta car and truck rentals Was an ad that used to play At half time at Saints games at Waverly Park And the jingle went like this Delta car and truck rentals Just call one three one three one two Delta

131312 Yeah I don't know if I got that right You'd be so mad 13131 Two I used to love this that jingle. Reminds me a good time. I'd also like to thank someone else, if that's cool. Yes. I'd like to thank from Brisbane, in Queensland, in Australia.

No. Joshua Peel. Wow. Josh Peel. Joshua Peel. Great name. The animal. Seal. Head. Animal bed, butt. Seal head, murder. It's pretty good. Woke up with a seal head in his bed. Oh, that's horrific. I know. Are you playing a grizzled cop? Maybe.

Maybe I am. You tell me. What's it mean to you? Hang on, just let me sit backwards on this chair for a second. Matt, I can't control her when she's like this. You better tell her everything you know. It was me. I put the seal head there.

Yeah. I know. You're going away for 30 to life, Stuart. Sorry. Oh. Oh, you're not. Sorry. Yeah.

Oh, you're sorry. Dave, he's sorry. Yeah, sorry that he's going to be in jail for 30 years.

Boom! We'd have swapped roles, bitch. Oh, can I... We're trying to get you to confess twice. Can I call someone?

Yeah. You're going to call your mum? Your mum? Yeah, maybe you should call your mum. She can give you emotional support.

That would be a good idea. My mum's my lawyer. Great. Call it. Yeah, thank you. Good idea. Hey, mum,

get down here quick. I'm getting real confused by these two changing characters. Let me put her on Let me put her on What a skin Yeah

I'll wear it like a Like a skin Now I'm your mum Mom don't come down No come down Put the lotion on your skin Now I'm your mum Now I'm confused

I reckon we'd be great Good Cup back up I reckon we'd be good Just cops in general Yeah I reckon we're just good at everything Yeah I think we'd get to the bottom of this case All right

I'd like to thank Oh, this is a bloody doubly A bloody doubly I think we've got a couple here or a couple of, you know, or a couple of people. Who knows how they're related in what way, but we're going to say thanks to both of them anyway all the way from Chandler, Arizona.

Fantastic. Well, come down to Chandler, Arizona. You know that song? Is that a real song? No. Could they be any more from Chandler, Arizona? Look, I'm going to have to pull you up on that, Matt. Every time there's a friend's reference, it's always that joke,

and I'm starting to think that you've only watched that one episode. Is that true? Is that true? Oh, no. You've seen one through me. Because even I know that joke, man. Once Dave knows a joke, it's dead. Could these people be any more channel?

That's good. Thank you. I understand that reference. Otter. Oh, I like that. The otter. I'll bail on that. Body part.

Come on. Elbow. The elbow killers. And I haven't named them yet. That is Jamison and Tornie Estes. Oh, nice. And the reason I thought Otter is because if they are a couple, they hold hands.

They hold hands when they sleep. It's so cute. Seriously, Google it. And they all that look like. You don't have to Google it. You can watch our live episode. from the Melbourne Comedy Festival last year, the Locknest Monster episode.

Nah, but you've got to flick through that to get to the right point. Probably just Google it. But when the footage cuts out, you get to see a few beautiful otters. YouTube.com slash dig on pod. And thank you so much, Jamison, Torney Estes,

the elbow. And if you're not a couple, it's still like, it's so nice to hold hands. Holding hands is nice. That is nice. Give it a go. Just try it.

If you're at home and you're in a couple, I'd say, you know, just give it a try. No, I would. I would say that. No, I would. Just sitting at home. You don't even have to be out and about and doing it for safety. You can just hold hands for fun.

I watched a video of two people holding hands once, and it looked really nice. I can only imagine that it would be. Jamison and Torney. What, like, either one of those names is sick. Yep. But you bring them together. And all. Wow.

Sadly, they cancel each other out. Yeah, they're both yuck now. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry if you to find out this word. And finally, to bring us home, I would like to thank from Glenfield Park in New South Wales. Oh, I wonder how close that is to our crime scene. Oh, don't want to tell you? I'm Googling.

You can look that up. Well, I'd thank from Glenfield Park in New South Wales. Daniel Wheeler. Macack. Daniel Wheeler. Ears. Oh, yeah. The macaque is killer.

The macaque is murders. Glenfield is a southern suburb of Waggaweller. So I don't think they're too close to Sydney. It's all good. Innocent. For now. For the macaque ear. Glenfield Park feels exactly like they're kind of place.

I'd run to. Oh, very interesting. It's about halfway between Melbourne and Sydney. I think. Yeah, Melbourne's the most livable city. Daniel, you should really check out the monthly room in Wagga Wagga Run by Dane Simpson. It is, he runs a great comedy room at the beer deluxe there. He's just a great dude.

Great guy. You might know him from Tom Glastner's program. Have you been paying attention? Saw spot. Daniel, check it out. And thank you so much for supporting this show. And thank you to everyone that we've just shouted out to. All you crazy murders.

But thank you especially to me, right, Dave? Yes, as we always say in this show, Jess is best. Jess is best. Matt, have a go. Jess is best. Perfect. I've never heard someone say it so well the first time. Yeah.

So well done. The first. I'm. I'm. It doesn't always work. It's always a delayed tea. So thanks so much for everyone for joining us here in the program. Midway through block.

You guys have been rockin the block. And we appreciate that. hashtag rock the block rock that block hashtag rock the block rock the block tofer and something that I think

we very rarely say but I was reminded recently as important for podcasts to do if you could please give us a five star rating on iTunes or whatever that would be so nice I've been reading through some of them lately

and they're fucking the best you guys are so lovely yeah we now haven't the ability so it used to be the way we could only read the Aussie ones because we log into the Australian iTunes but now if you write a review anywhere in the world

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I reckon you better do it because I can't, I don't know, I don't know how to control me when I'm like this. You better do it. Look, honestly, if you can, that'd be great, but no pressure. Pressure. It doesn't take very long either. Under pressure. And please do check out book cheat.

I was on one of the on episode two Jess is on episode three James and Mesa on episode one and they're all the best I haven't listened to Jess's one to be honest but James and Mesa But that's just because it's not available yet That's true

That's not just because you hate Jess No I reckon Jess is one of the best podcast talents in the country One of the best T podcast talents Podcasts

I don't want to limit it to podcast That was TV radio You do it everybody. Like on the stage screen, running around the park. Trapeze? Always want to try on. Reprise.

Repese. Oh, but that is it for another week here. Running around the park. She's so good at it. Look at her go. Look at it. She's so careful. She's so carefree.

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