Two In The Think Tank - 157 - Batman (with NICK MASON)

Episode Date: October 24, 2018

Our favourite tram driver / podcaster joins us for our MOST REQUESTED TOPIC EVER! The great man himself, Nick Mason, gives us a comprehensive background on Gotham's masked hero, Batman! .... And naturally we go off on some tangents as well. Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodCheck out Nick's podcast: https://www.planetbroadcasting.com/our-shows/the-weekly-planet/Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: http://bit.ly/DoGoOnHat Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail]: dogoonpod.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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DO, GO, O-N. And now, let's go on with the show! This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit Planet Broadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of DoGoOne. My name is Dave Warnakicki and I'm here in the studio with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins and what's that I spy a special guest Mr Nick Mason like. Hey Mason, quick question, what are you doing for block? Off for block block blockbuster tober. Yeah, well I've been listening to every episode of your podcast of blockbuster tober.

Well that is surprising and beautiful gesture. Oh, we've been, I enjoyed your most recently I enjoyed the War of the World's episode. Oh what an episode. Would you like to hear a fact about the War of the World's Radio Play? No thanks. No that's fair. No sorry I didn't answer. I'd like to hear it. So two against one. Sorry. There we go. It could be a fun fact. You'll have to all decide. So the the war of the world radio play and the subsequent Panic that it calls the drama Happened again. What? Yeah, happened again with the musical no with the with the they're in 1949 in

Ecuador a radio station did it again and Basically what happened is they they played the radio play like their version of the radio. So it wasn't well, it wasn't all in English and they're all thinking, what the hell is this? What is this? What is this?

Everybody turned off, it was a real writing disaster. But then they did it and they had like people on, but like actors on board who would imitate the mayor and the mayor, like, so the mayor was involved and was like, oh, you know, this is a real disaster. I don't understand what's happening. There's an invasion kind of thing.

And this is definitely not a radio club. And the army who heard that it was happening and heard the mayor was saying that there was a, they went to the north of the town to to to investigate. No one's told us in person, but I should just radio station is how I'd find out. And then eventually the people of the radio station figured out what was happening and they were like, okay, just letting you guys just letting you know,

this is a trick, this is a hoax, we just did it. There's a bit of fun. That's their first big mistake. Well, that should have done was send down a black thunder with a classic cold care and the coke. Exactly. And that could have just, it. It was a bit of fun. That's their first big mistake. Well, that should have done was send down a black thunder with a lot of cold cans of coke. Exactly. And that could just get. But apparently there were people in the streets, like people were running to church to like confess like because they, you know, so the priests got some mad gonsome that day. Well, apparently they were, they were like men confessing that they'd

committed adultery to their wives. I never loved you anyway, Mary. Anyway, so the radio station was like, okay, we apologize, but at that point, there was a mob of people in the streets who went to the radio station. That's when you get the code down. Yeah, they burned it down. They actually did, they burned it down. Because there was a radio station

below that was the newspaper printing press for the town And they let it on fire. Yeah, the newspaper is a great kind of Never build on top of a newspaper printing press. I'm Would you like to know another fact about the the world of the world's radio play any subsequent? Oh no, no, mate. So it is very quickly doing a better job than you did Dave. Oh no. I'm sorry, Mesa, I'm gonna change my yesterday one now. I can never.

People at home do your own research. It's not difficult. Now what was the other one? I happened again. Wait, it's third time. Yeah, 1968. I happened again in Buffalo. Oh, Buffalo.

Yeah. When will people learn? No, they've, but was anything burnt down this time? No, nothing up. Because I kind of enjoy how that it go. Yeah, you take that to the grave, that kind of shit. But the problem would be is that they, if you think that you need to ask for forgiveness to get into heaven, then you offload it all. But I also don't think that's the right environment to sit down and discuss and ask for forgiveness. No, you don't need it from them. You need it from Jesus. And the mind.

So just ask him when you're there. I have the questions here. You won't get there, Jess, that's the point. Well, I've never been there to any way. And the Billy Easele, Bob, is not so good at the forgiveness, okay? Okay. Talking from experience. Oh, boy.

Yeah, I listen to metal. It's like a super water. Yeah, very cool. From my goblet. Yes. Skull goblet. Yes. Anyway, so this is this is week four of Blockbuster Toe,

but for Grace, Jones period. And, Jeremy, go ahead. Sorry, I showed you my money. Anyway, so this is this is week four of blockbuster to go for grace Jones period man Jeremy. I'm sorry. I show me money and show me the money I have to say it three times Sorry Matt, that's only two times from me personally. Then Tom Cruise turns up in the mirror something You had me hello Oh my god, this going to be a nightmare episode. I it is sorry Mays so you thank so much for dropping and I'm so sorry

that you have to see it's like this. I love it. I love it. He loves us. He loves us at our worst. That's right. And if you don't love us at our worst, Oh, I'm so nervous. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. No, see, this is you at your worst. And I love you at your worst. That's fine. Yeah. You are a sweet man. So, week four of Blockbuster Toeber,

as we've been saying since the start, this is our most ever requested topic. And it is with Mr. May, so do you have a question? I do have some topics. I mean, it is pretty silly as we all know what it is. Well, you guys all know what it is, but no, I still have a question. I was gonna say you guys all know what it is, but the listeners don't know what it is pretty silly as we all know what it is Well, you guys all know what it is, but no, I still have a crack I was gonna say you guys all know it is but the listeners don't know what it is

But the episode title says what it is some of them some of them play without looking. Yeah, really That's crazy. Yeah, that is borsy. Okay. Well, he's a question for that the two people who are not Who played this Russian roulette episode titles and can I get it because Someone emailed in saying that they've added up all the times we've answered and I actually get it right the least. Oh really? That's fascinating. I would not have guessed that.

Who gets it the most? I would have said you the most, just the least. Is it the opposite of? I think it's the exact opposite of the fact. Exactly. I don't get it the most. Hey, a scientist emailed in just. I would have thought it would be you that gets in the most. Look at us all backing in.

She was pointing it at them. I go with the most bravado, but I don't think I'll often get it right. So I need to improve my stats to people. I feel so smart. Well, let's see. Yeah, yeah. Also, who's this guy adding up all the questions? I mean, good on you. No, you really should do. Can you find out his name by the end of the episode? Yes, I'll do some investigate. Okay, so here's the question. Yes. For the two or three people. Okay, so in the 1960s, the actor who betrayed this character was kicked out of an orgy

because he refused to break character. What character was it? And can you get, can you guess the actor? I'm sure he can. Are we going to it's, uh, orgy Phil? It And can you get, can you guess the actor? I'm sure you can. I reckon it's, uh, or G Phil. It's or G Phil, yeah. Uh, what's his name? It's Batman. It is Batman. Yes, correct. And also, I think maybe the Joker or the ridler? It was a ridler. Yeah. That's true. And I can't remember either Adam West.

Adam West was Batman. And who was the rid the rid the ridler? Uh, the ridler was Frank Gorshin. Oh, the Gorshin. The Gorshin. The Gorshin actor and a standard comedian. So apparently. And everybody sex, man.

Oh, hang on, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I guess, yeah, no, you know, being the ridler at an Audrey bit testy. Getting kicked out of an Audrey implies your behavior isn't welcome. Oh, okay, so you were the first stone casted at my glass house again.

Never been kicked out of the Audrey. Have I? I've been given warnings. Strong warnings. Never actually kicked out. Written warnings. Never rejected. Okay.

Red card. You were given the red card. Okay, I had a time out. But I was allowed back in. Your parents were contacted. After I said sorry nicely, like I meant it. Oh, well. Did you forget that when you were a kid?

Sometimes like, yeah, you might be like, you know, the apologize goes, sorry! Like, like you mean it? Yes. Fuck. Yeah. Sorry, my layers of, yeah. Yeah, you just fake it.

So you can watch TV again. Yeah. That's a true audience story. That is a story that Adam West has told a number of times. Well, he did. He's passed on since then, but apparently he and Frank Gorshmer invited to a fancy Hollywood party and they're like, cool, well, let's go and hang out with some people and have some drinks and whatever and they showed up not knowing anything of what the nature of the

party was and they showed up and it was an orgy in progress. Batmobile keys in the bowl. Batmobile keys in the ball, exactly. And they were like, let's do this in character. And so he was just coming up and talking to all the various concerned citizens and telling them to wear their seat belts and drink milk. Wanna Zoink? Yeah, exactly.

Zoink. And then eventually the host of the party was like, you're messing with the vibe you should probably like Get involved everyone else. There's plenty of characters in the JC universe. Exactly. You could have been a cat woman could have been a king tarts These are all sexy characters Penguin Cobblepots The fit

The Come on Yeah, it's going. Mmm. The fibula. The fibula. Come on, Dave. Dave, Dave. Dave, come on, Dave. Yeah. Well, if you're going to turn on a pun like that, then probably leave. That's why Dave was kicked out of an orgy. Yeah, too many puns.

That makes sense. That's what it's called. So this is generally our most ever requested topic. We're in pressure. You've been on other man episodes, you're on the superman episode, you're on the moth man episode man on the Batman. Do you hate women? I just love men. Yeah, fair enough.

Yeah, can I man just love other men? That is very true. Men in capes and spandex. Yes, of course. You can. It's 20-year-buddy, 19, of course you can. It's 20 nobody 19 or whatever the year is Yeah, that the year of release. I think we're gonna put this straight out. So that'll be 2018 nice But it's how we tend to operate yes, I've got a few in the vault

15 years ago about six months of legal clearance I've guessed it on some pods and they've just never come out If you want to have a chat you want to catch up just say so. Yeah, let's get the bike home. It's hard not to take that personally when they're releasing other episodes. Have you ever followed that up? No. That'd be good.

Yeah, I'll do that. What the fuck? Come on guys. Too many to do it for you. I'll say as Mr. Mason's representative, I just wanted to inquire as to the status of the podcast. What the fuck? Thank you.

Your decades. You got a problem? You want a fucking go? Sorry, was that your email to Mark Marren's WTF podcast? Yeah, he knows. Just want to talk about Nick Mason. What the fuck? Episode 671 never came out, Mark.

Where the body hell is it? Yeah, come on, Mark. I thought I loved you in glow. Yeah, a really great turn. I love that show. Great career. I love that show. That's the renaissance for that guy. Yeah, he's the head of it.

We should do that. So it is the most requested ever topic. We've had so many tweets. We're not even going to read out the name, sorry everyone. But if you feel listening, you've probably have requested it. I reckon quite literally hundreds of people have requested this. It's actually easier for us to read out the names of people who haven't requested it. So here we go.

Doug. Kevin Jones. Hank Cobblepot. And the list. Wow, he's the brother of the guy you said just before. He's really bitter. He doesn't want to hear anymore about the penguin. He's the non-fiction brother of a fictional character.

Three people haven't requested it. Everyone else on Earth has. Including President Obama. Yeah, it goes all the way to the top a few years ago. Nowadays just a podcast in 30s. Good for him. Well, you got to do something in your retirement. Anyway, people will be screaming at their podcast machines. What do you do? You can't drive anymore. Do you know that? What? Take away your license. It's no longer safe to be a personal driver. The Queen doesn't even have a license. She doesn't need one. Give her over that.

Fuck, she's cool. Take away you. That's bullshit. Yes, it's young. George W. Bush. That's weirdly the oddest thing about. That's the thing I'm blown away about. Yeah. So George W. Bush, the younger one, because he still likes a drive, goes to his Texas ranch on private property where he's allowed to.

Oh, I think he's right, okay, right. Sorry, Matt, I know you're trying to get on topic, but that is crazy, man. That is crazy. If I was Obama and they said that to me, I'd plead the fifth. That's a officer. I'm pleading the fifth.

And I do a burnout. Yeah, nice. My drive off. Would you do sharkers while you did a burnout? Yeah. Well, obviously. It's a bit of a stupid question. So that's what pleading the fifth was?

Yeah, that's actually what I've heard a lot. Shuckers. Woo! I have no idea what pleading the fifth means. It's either being silent or having a gun. I forget. Why not both? I'm pleading the fifth. Shuck's either being silent or having a gun. I forget. Why not both? I'm playing the fifth.

Chh, chh, chh. Anyhow, this episode is about Batman and Macy's. There will be at some point. Like you were the only person who's ever done a report with pen and paper. Because as you guys learned earlier, I done it on a laptop. So I'm not, I don't believe in it.

I don't believe in any of this. You're a regular Oswald couple pot. When was the last time you used a keyboard? You used to play the guitar, didn't you? Well, that would be any. Yeah, I was in a flock of Seagulls. You were in a flock of Seagulls one time. Yeah, the band.

Playing a guitar. Guitar, yeah, that's probably then. Now I can't even remember. Yeah, most of applied for something online. Maybe a job. Do you reckon you forgot how to now? No, I can do it. I don't know that you can.

Wow. We should really do some of these tangents once we've started talking about Batman. No, no, tangents. I'll do four minutes on Batman at the end. This is what must be tangents. Okay, so Batman, who's heard of Batman? Me.

What do you guys know about Batman? As a boy, he was walking along the street with his parents who had pearls in an opera suit. They did have pearls in an opera suit. And a man who could have been the Joker, but probably wasn't killed those guys. Yeah. And then he fell down a hole into a bat cave. And bats flew everywhere and he started fearing the bats until he grew into an adult and he became the thing he fears most. He became batman. and he started fearing the bats until he grew into an adult and he became the thing he fears most, he became

But man Hang on so not everyone we've covered it all they were in the city when they're walking down Yeah, they're in Gotham city and and he fell in a bat cave in the middle of the city Well that was on their property where their man should have took the white manor is right Sorry, that was a jump cut in there because I I was thinking, like, oh, down the end of this alleyway, it's like a manhole that leads to a bat cave. And that feels like... No, they're on the edge.

A town planning issue. Yeah. No, they're on a cliff just outside of the city. Okay. Is it most of that kind of right? That's pretty close. So I guess everybody, it'll be a rare person who doesn't know at least the basics. The pearls falling everywhere.

The pearls falling everywhere, exactly. Yeah. And I'll pursue it in the opposite. Exactly. In the manhole filled with bats. Yeah. Those things. Dave, any of that news to you? The pearls didn't know the pill bit. Right.

Yeah. So the the basic story of Batman, as Dave has pointed out, is that the the the basic story of Batman as Dave has pointed out is that The the Wains wealthy socialites Thomas and Martha Wayne were taking their son Bruce to the the theaters They were gonna see a movie performance of the the mask of Zorro at the monarch theater and then they are mugged and then Thomas Wayne gives a gives him a there of the mug or all his money and then The mug goes from Martha wine's pearls and he takes exception to that and he grabs at the pearls and then Thomas wine's like

No, no, no, no at which point the mugger shoots both the wines leaving Bruce wine and awful right so why does Thomas not want the pearls that I have significant? It's never been really no that it's it's a, maybe it's just the principle of the thing. Maybe it's because it's because he's making move towards the wife. Maybe that's it. I think that's probably the issue there. And then, of course, baton brisket. Pels also, like, really expensive. It's very expensive. I just bought them for a sport. But I think, and it's also a different time. Obviously now we know that women can be mugged too. That's very true. Thomas was very old-fashioned. He's like, no, no, if you're going to mug someone, mug a man.

Mug a man. Mug a man. Exactly. What kind of animal mugs a woman, he said. And I mean, that's obviously very David. Who the answer is, of course, a bat. That's exactly right. So Bruce Wayne decides that he's going to recuffenge him upon all criminals and rather than use his vast fortune to maybe change some laws or make some social programs to rehabilitate criminals. Either sides he's going to learn martial arts and science

and then build big vehicles. Marshall arts and martial science. That's exactly right. Wow. And then beat up criminals individually. Yeah. Which I think is important. And is it ever explained where the money comes from?

The Bruce Wayne money. Yeah. What's the? What's the business? Thomas Thomas winds a doctor. Why do you assume it's Thomas's money? Oh, sorry. Different time. Different time. Yeah. Different time. Different time. Yes. Sorry. Yes. I know. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. He wasn't wearing expensive pearls. Oh, Dave. Think about that. Yeah. Because it was a different time. Yeah, but he also came into a lot of money. I believe further back into the Wayne history, there was money involved there as well. I'm not sure exactly why.

They were involved in the formation of Gotham City, which is the town they're from. So I think maybe mining, I want to say, or construction, something one of those. We said both. And politics, politics politics probably politics and lottery bit of R&D yeah so anyway so anyway Bruce Wayne decides that he is going to he becomes he becomes he travels the world and he becomes very well trained in in everything he would need to fight crime and then he's sitting in his his drawing room one day and in one night and he decide he himself, okay, I need something

a gimmick. He doesn't say gimmick. But it's a gimmick. Yeah. To strike fear into the hearts of criminals, he says, criminal is superstitious and cowardly loss. What can I do to do to do? Is that true?

Superstitious. That will, yeah, make it happen. They will not step on a crack. It was a different time. For fear of breaking their mother's back. And I will be crack boy. Crack boy. Don't step on me. We surrender.

He just wears a auseless chaps. This is uniform. But before that particular sign could come to him, instead I abat crash his story, he's drawing room window and he goes, criminals are afraid of bats. Was he he was an illustrator or an artist? Who's this? Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne was not an artist. No, no, he was, you're thinking he kept an America. He was an artist.

Was he? Yeah, he was an illustrator, yeah. Yeah, right. Someone who was an artist though, was the man who's most closely associated with creating Batman, which is my name Bob Kane, born October 24, 1915, New York, New York. Well, that's his birthday week, this week.

It is, yeah. That's right. Maybe even this day. Today is the 24th. What day is it today? In that thing that you said. It's the 17th. Wait, no, when is this coming out?

24th. Oh, then that's his birthday. Serendipity. Serendipity. He's 100th and third birthday is today. Yeah, well. That's. Good third birthdays today. Yeah, well. That's good ass day. Good quick, very spooky.

It was born New York, New York as a Robert Karlin, and then he quickly changed his name to Bob Kane. Well, quickly like on day three. Yeah, on day three, yeah. He was like, oh my god, I'm not feeling this. You're not feeling this. I'm more of a Bob. Come on, look at me.

Is this a Robert face? Is this a calm face? No, it's a calm face. It's a calm face. I'm bubbing. It's like a cane face. So he studied it, he went to high school. He actually went to high school

with my name Will Eisner, who was also a comic book artist. And a member of the Black Ode Pays. Yeah, Will Eis and I am. Yeah, I remember him. Yeah. That's good stuff. I was doing the regret face. Daze doing a regret face. Oh my goodness. I felt that regret. I'm regretting for two. Regretting you said that. So Will Eis and I created a character called the spirit

who was kind of like a like a a masked a, a, a, a mask detective kind of character. And he, uh, the Ison Award, which is the biggest award in comic books is named after him. And they went to high school together. That's amazing. That's cool. So, um, so, um, so, sorry. Back to, so I just wanted to say back to a couple of weeks ago with the, uh, Orson Wells World's World's episode. Yes. He, uh, one of his big breaks was being the narrator on the Spirit Radio show. Oh, that's right. That's how people knew Orson Wells earlier.

Yeah, yeah. And the spirit was sort of like a proto superhero. Yeah, he was, he was. Him and yellow, yellow. Oh, the yellow kid. Yellow kid. That's what I mentioned before. The spirit was kind of, yeah, he was like a proto superhero.

He wore, he was a man in a suit with a mask. But the biggest contribution that the spirit had to comic books was Will Eisner would broke the character out of that really traditional comic book format of just like, okay, he's six panels and he's a little thing happening and this one, little thing happening and this one. Will Eisner was all about, okay, let's just do a big splash page and he's a, he's the whole page and his action happening in it, where he'd have the characters jump out of the panels or it have things. It was very much like sort of deconstructing the form. And this is, when did you say this was a 30s?

This, well, the spirit would have been the late, would have been through the 40s. 40s, the roaring 40s. Yeah, but he was later made into a movie, maybe 10 years ago, that was not very good. Bama. That's, I love this stuff so much. So, there's a lot going on already. There's a lot going on already, yeah. So, he's...

I was about to bog you down, but I won't. No, no, that's a rough one. There's a lot to bloody get through. So, 1934, he joined the Max Fleischerstudio as a trainee animator. It's back to Bob. It's back to Bob Kane, yeah, that's right. And then two years later, he entered the comic book field in 1936 as a freelancer.

He would, his first work was to a comic book called Wow, Water magazine, exclamation points. His first pencil and ink work was on a serial called Hiram Hic. I don't know anything about that character, it sounds offensive. I think that might be... Hiram Hic! No, it's not. Larry Bird's nickname.

Isn't something like that? The Hic from Hiram Bird Hic? No. Something like that, I swear to God, you told me so. I only talk about the round mound of rebound. Charles Buckley. Nice. So, and wow, what a magazine was owned by a guy called Jerry Iger. Iger later formed a comic book production house called

Eisner and Iger with Will Eisner. And then Bob Kane joined in on that. He was like, I'll get a piece of this. What a game. And with, wow, what a magazine. It sounds like the guy that created that said to people, all right, I want people to look at this and say, wow, what a magazine. Yeah, right. I think it was cool, Todd. I'll be back in five. You could just do that. And then they would, they would just make it for you. It was a different time. It was a different time. So, uh, Eisner and Iga was like a comic book packageer, which basically meant they went to various production companies like National Publications, which became DC, and they were like,

we'll make some stuff for you, and they were like, okay, I have a superhero comic book or whatever. I have a funny animal comic book, and they would go, and they would get their team, and they would write it and draw it, and then they would just sanded in and then national would buy it presumably or not. Depending on how good it was. Right. So Bob Kane wrote a comic book series called Peter Pupp, which was about funny animals. That was gonna be that's a funny animal.

That's pretty funny. Peter Pupp, Peter Pupp, he also created Oscar the gum shoe, Ginger Snap and Professor Dulittle for various, for various. I mean, this is early on when none of the good names are taken. How are they coming up on this crap? Oscar the gum boot. Is Professor Do Little anything to do with Dr Do Little? I think it's unrelated.

And the doctor did it. What a chees! Dr Do Little's crater. He wanted a song that could outrank him. Exactly. And there was one of those with something, Ginger snap. Is that Ginger Meg? Ginger snap, we can't say.

No, that's unrelated also. So, speaking of great those with something, ginger snap. Is that ginger man? Ginger snap, okay. No, that's not really. Just a picky speaking of great, great names that ginger snap was published in more fun comics. That's very good. More fun, more fun. I, the, the only comic that I've ever owned is Tism Volume 2. And that was released by a small Melbourne magazine called, AGGG. I remember AGGG.

Sure, yeah, I can't remember anything else they produced, but I remember classic. They might have also produced the Martin Malloy comic book. I'm not sure. That would make some sense. I can be sure. I didn't know there was one. Yeah, there was like three issues really chronically in the adventures of Melbourne radio hosts

and comedians Tony Martin and we come on. I think we need to get a do go on comic going. Oh, yeah. That's a lot of work. That would be so fun. There's a weekly monochomic. We can talk to those guys. We'll get a little bit more.

Yeah, can we be on a splash page? We can be on a splash page. And then I can find out what that means. Yeah, nice. Let's speak. I was like, a good way to do it. Yeah. So I'm picturing like a splash on a page.

Yeah, like a real splash. Like a way. Because you see that a bit on your podcast. And does that mean it's like a splash on a page. Yeah, like a real splash. Like a way. Because you see that a bit on your podcast and that does that mean it's like a full page. Oh, it's just a splash page is just like a full page and there's there's action happening like the whole page. Right.

It's just one like if you just one big scene is happening. Right. It's a one moment or it's I'm feeling I'm excluding Jess but it's just because she's over there. Yeah. And I hate women as well. That's a shame. So yeah.

Good we've got that bit out of context. So anyway, in 1939, DC or national publications at the time were having a huge success with a little character called Superman, which I, we covered some time ago in this episode. Don't remember it. It wasn't listening. Wow. It's all right. We're not going to talk about it. Who cares?

Good. But everybody else, go back to that one. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. After you finish this one, can't have any dessert until you finish your veggies. That's right. This is the veggies. Is it?

That's a compliment. I like veggies. This is a real broccoli. Yeah, you looked at me like I was saying this is shit, but I love veggies too. I love veggies too. Oh man, yum. And I love cheesecake, so I'm leaving to go back

and listen to the superman episode. Typical Dave, so that's why he'll die first. Dave. There's no doubt in my mind, Dave will die first. This is gonna feel awful when it happens, when people listen to this, but. Yeah, but also, you can't die. I can't, I'm a mortal.

Yeah. Man Kiana lives forever. Yes, this is a certain youth of like Zeobrins, which I think is a serious route. And Dave, he's just got that type of attitude where he'll just give up. Plus he eats too many pies. He does eat too many pies and cheeseburg apparently.

First time something not being right, Dave's body will just show down. Man, you gotta get each, you need different colors on your plate. I can't just say, we'll be yellow. You're a yellow, you're a big yellow boy. I'm a yellow, you're the yellow boy. Yellow kid.

Nice. Good stuff. I can't believe he's thinking. I'm gonna die first. Well, who do you think is gonna die first? Well, I don't wanna say. You can say it's me, it's fine, because I'm only here for the episode.

Maybe you may say. Is that why? No way. My sister's gonna live forever. Yes. Well, because I always thought I was gonna live forever. Oh Are you serious? I thought about how stupid are you? Not only a stupid you're gonna die soon

You do stretch every night though Yeah, true. It's not gonna be in some kind of stretching accident and now every morning as well Morning and night, add noon. Should, I don't work the alarm goes off. Stretching down guys. You put some ease. Don't, you're gonna stretch on the way to a helicopter and stretch into a blade or something.

Yeah, it is gonna be a stretching accident. I'm gonna stretch too hard. You're stretching. You're stretching too close to the sun. Well, as long as I have access to a helicopter, I think I've lived a good life. Yeah, that's pretty good, actually. Wow, great point.

Like a bat copter? Oh, good, good return to this. Here we go. All right, so, national publication, I'm just going to call them Dacy. We know who it is this day's here, comics. Oh, that's going to be a sweet review. Sweet review.

They were having huge amounts of success with Superman and action comics, and they were like, okay, they went out, they went to all the success with Superman and action comics and they were like, okay, they went out, they went to all the the artists and writers and they were like, can you give us something, give us something that's like that and it's going to be, it's going to be a hit just like that. And so in non-in-one in one, Bob Kane was being interviewed by Stan Lee on an interview show called The Comic Book Grades.

Well, it's his last name. Stan Lee. Stan Lee. Stan Lee. Oh, I see. I see what you're doing here. I see what you're doing. I see. Just so we go. I knew his name Stan Lee Lee, but he changed it for show business. So he did not. He did. It's true. Stan Lee Lee. Stan Lee Lee. So he and Stan Lee asked about the creation of Batman and he said, and this situation. And of course, Bob Kane was like, I got to get in on this because like Seagal and Shrews to create it Superman got a kind of a raw deal in, you know, throughout the course of their career. But at the time they were making what would have been the equivalent of like a couple of

grand a week. So they were doing a right. And so Bob time they were making what would have been the equivalent of like a couple of grand a week. So they were doing all right. And so Bob Kane was like, he said, for that kind of money, you'll have a new character on Monday. Like I'm gonna go away this weekend. I'm gonna create a new character and then I'm gonna be rolling in it.

And I've created such great characters as gum shoe boy, ginger nut. Paul Jengin nuts. Crystal meth. So he even said on this interview, he even said, for that kind of money to create this new character, I'll steal it from somewhere. It was a little foreshadowing. Oh no.

How about Ghost Mutt? But Trudor was word, he came back in Monday morning and he had a character called the Batman. And so it was... How about Superman? Oh! And he said he was influenced by the character. His influence included Zorro, Swashbuckle Zorro. Oh, that's right.

A love Zorro. Written into the origin story. Exactly, written into the... A love Antonio Banderas. Yeah, well this was the uh I love Antonio Bandara. Well this was the I love pushing boots. Oh I'm glad you said boots. Yes but there's the sweet there's some sweet editing to be here. Listen to later on if you know. I love Poo so. No editing required then.

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He's a radio. He's so, yeah, that's right. There's a picture of what was called an honor thopter, which was like a helicopter with big, flappy wings. And he was like, well, that looks to me like a Batman. So, I'll put that in there. And it's my drawing of the Batman. To Vinci.

And so the design of Batman that he presented was pretty close to the one you know, people know of now, kind of that gray, gray full body suit. And it's got the, the cow that covers his face in the ears and the cape. And he's swinging from a rope and he's like, what you reckon about that and they're like absolutely you know absolutely not and this is the worst idea we've ever seen so he's a writer illustrator he's actually done the years of drawing as well well well he he's an illustrator and so I think the idea was according to what he would say he would he would you know he created this character here it is and they would go okay now get us some stories and then he would go away and then he would say, he would, you know, he created this character, here it is. And they would go, okay, now get us some stories

and then he would go away and then he would come back with some early stories. So hang on, where are we? Where are we? We're in the studio, Matt. No, no, incorrect. Maybe, oh, no, we've seen it. So the fix it in... fix it in place.

There was the Superman's big hit at the moment, and he's taken in like such a different direction, because you've got the basically indestructible, all-powerful guy with one weakness to just a guy. Just a guy, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So in this... And I think maybe I would definitely say that this is the... That's part of his appeal over the years, is, yeah, he is just a guy. It's a character that you don't,

kids can be like, you know, they don't have to, you don't have to be a man from another world. You could just, you could just, and it was a, you know, I think it kids, hey, if you work really hard, if you, get billions of dollars. Is it billions of dollars? That's why I kept it America,

because all he did was be a nice person. And get a serum. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, so the first Batman story was published in Detective Comics Number 27, which is a collector's item these days, although not as much of a collector's item as action comics number one. First appearance of Superman, obviously. And it was called the Case of the Chemical Syndicate. And in this story, Commissioner Gordon, he invites his friend, socialite Bruce Wayne, to a crime scene.

They're gonna investigate a crime scene. I don't know. And... You bring the brandy. Yeah, he brings the brandy. And they investigate this crime scene. And it turns out that there's, you know, a group of crooks and they're gonna be,

they're stealing from this chemical company and they figure this out. And then later, Batman arrives on the scene and he defeats all the criminals and then he takes off and then Bruce Wayne re-emerges and then commissioned the Gordon's like, well, what a situation just happened there. And then Bruce Wayne's like, I know, what an incredible turn of events. This Batman has shown up and defeated all these criminals. And then he goes back to his statily Wayne manor

and it's of course it's revealed that he in fact is the Batman. So you don't know that reading it until... You don't know until he ends. Oh, that's great. I love that. If you're an idiot, I can tell. Well, I, yeah.

Yeah, there were simpler times. You know who you're talking to? Yeah, it did. Yeah, I'm reading that going, guess that was a weird turn of events. Yeah, anyway, back were simpler times. You know who you're talking to. Yeah, it did. Yeah, I'm reading that going, guess that was a weird turn of events. Yeah, anyway, back to the mansion. Yeah, so hang on. So the earlier versions of Batman were sort of inspired by pulp characters like the shadow.

So the early versions of Batman were way, there were definitely happier to just kill criminals. So the early versions of Batman is just like machine gunning people from his back copter. Fuck yeah. Or like hanging people from the back of it. Oh, that's too far.

There's a character from early on called the monk who turns out to be a vampire. And all his henchmen are also vampires and there's a scene where Batman just stakes him all through the heart. Like he finds them sleeping in their coffins and he just stakes him all to death. And that's so wait, are you saying modern Batman wouldn't kill vampires?

I don't think he would because they're sentient beings, they're intelligent. They're also kind of Batman. They don't think about it. They're a little bit Batman, aren't they? Yeah. So over the course of... So I should say that this has taken me for a bit of a surprise,

because I was sure we were gonna be doing an episode about Melbourne's Fanding Father. John Batman. Yeah, for sure. So this has really thrown me. Oh, no, should I go back and do some, I can win it, I guess. Yeah, I'll give it a try.

So of Batman Avenue. Yeah. Real bad guy, apparently. Oh, I'm, yeah. Let's see, what else? Okay, so in detect, So of Batman Avenue. Yeah real bad guy apparently Let's see what else okay, so in detected comics number 29. We've got more established Elements of the Batman mythos. He's got a battering for the first time. He's famous famous throwing a weapon A battering. What is that? Is that a play on words for something or is that a fully made up word? What do you mean? Badder rank boomerang Seriously, I never I never figured that out words for something or is that a fully made up word? What do you mean? Badderang. Boomerang? Seriously?

I never figured that out. I'm like, what is that a plan? It's so far from Boomerang to me that I was not able to. That's a rang is so far from Boomerang. Sounds more like, like, Keterang, which isn't anything. Deadarang, the country. Ketermean, the whole thing. Ketermean, yeah. Kaya, I'm in a K ring, which isn't anything. Dead orang, the country. You can't amine, the whole thing. I'm gonna get a ring, yeah. Kay, I'm gonna Kayho, right now.

Look, get me outta here. I'm falling down to Kayho, I'm gonna be grow up to become Kayman. Let's see, in Detective Comics 29, we've got his utility belt, which contains all these crime-fronting gadgets. And snacks. Could be some snacks. Sure, there's a musely bar.

Cowbar, actually. I mean, it would definitely be called a badabar though. Yeah, badabar. Exactly. Oh, it's a bad, no, that's what we call a badabar, Marsbar. You do prime Marsbar, that's called a badabar. A badabar. Yeah, correct.

And if you're fighting crime, that's not a quick in and out job. You know, like that can take ages. Take ages. Take out. If I don't eat for a couple of hours. Are you doing an information right now? No, I'm just letting you know something about me. We are the ad now, we're the ad.

Because we're about to be overseas together. So I'm just letting you know that if I don't eat for a couple of hours, I'm a grump. Stop and crime isn't an in and out kind of pie. I wasn't listening. I'm the bad man. Jess, on the tour, all you have to remember is check your utility belt, get them usually bar,

and you'll be back. Do go on utility belts. Yes. I'm gonna make your utility belt yellow. them muselet bar, and you'll be back. Do go on utility belts. I'm going to make utility belt yellow. Utility belt. You love yellow. I love yellow. I'm literally wearing yellow right now. Let's see.

Not in issue 31, we got the bat plane. His first vehicle for killing people off, I guess. And then in Detective Comics 33, that's where we get his origin story, which is two pages again where his parents are killed and he revolves around vengeance against all the... And that one is the only one that the Joker is in the first movie? Yes, I can give you some background on that. So initially it's a nobody. And then there's a story many years later where Batman is investigating a middle-level sort of mob guy

called Joe Chille. And cool name, right? Pretty cool, right? Fucking cool name. Cool name. Mr. Chille. It's a Chille. And then, what he, and then he, through his investigations,

he discovers that that Joe Chille was, in fact, the mug of it killed his parents. Oh my God, that's giving me a Chille. And he confronts this guy and he's like, surprise on Batman, but I'm also Bruce Wayne. You killed my parents. What are you gonna do about that? For a pet you're dying.

And then, and then, into Goemon Toya Star. And then, so then, then Joe Chills goes to his man and he's like, guys, I don't know how to break this to you, but I created Batman. You know that guy who's a man is to allow, to allow criminal careers. And then, as luck would have it, they all kill him. They all get together and kill him before he can.

Because he created Batman. Yeah, yeah. That's, that's feels clumsy and weird. Exactly. Well, a comic book, you know, guys. Oh, yeah. Cumsy and weird. I thought that was coming with readers.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. No, it's, and then later on in the 90s, they were like, because remember the 90s were really extreme. Remember remember. No, we were super young in the 90s. like, because remember the 90s were really extreme. Remember remember? No, we were super young in the 90s. Man, no, my 90s were so extreme. Remember you were born and then your parents just put you on a snowboard straight away and just chucked it down a mountain

because the 90s were really extreme. So in the 90s they were like, we've got to make Batman even grimmer than he is now. So what they did is they had Batman go through a time portal and he went to a time and then he discovered that when his parents were being, when his parents were murdered, the Joe Chil was in fact in jail for another time, so it couldn't have been. So then he was like, oh no, not only did I get that guy killed, but also that wasn't, that wasn't, that wasn't the guy that got the

gun. Vengeance has not been, so what? So it's sort of a retcon. It was, but then they read the again. Why did Joe chill again? Why did Joe chill? Say yeah, that was me if he didn't do it. I killed so many killed so many. Yeah, buddy I feel so many parents He left he's a kid's orphan I mean, I saw they call me the orphaner. Yeah, yeah chances are eventually one of them was gonna turn it to some sort of Batman

I mean statistically yeah, but anyway, you're right in the 1989 Batman movie He's his parents are killed by man and Jack Napier. I think it was the first movie I saw who becomes who becomes Who becomes the Joker later, but there's another mug of with him and that is implied to be Jochil Oh cool, so he's there, but he's not because that's an incredibly dark film for a child to be seen Yeah, the first time yeah, I don't think my granddad knew and no one did So he's there, but he's not there. That's an incredibly dark film for a child to be seen for the first time in the cinema. Yeah, I don't think my granddad knew, and no one did. So it is quite weird looking back.

Yeah, but yeah, I was a toddler. So it was really weird. In 89. Yeah, I was a very slow developer. Took me centuries. So anyway, you're at school. In Detective Comics 38, we get the introduction of Robin, who is Batman's sidekick.

And a lot of people are like, oh, when they all these new movies come out there, like, why bring in Robin Blubberblah? You know, he's just a silly colorful character. But he's been around basically as long as Batman has. He's been around since 1940. So, and basically, he was introduced because Batman needed a friend. Batman doesn't need a friend. Well, he needed a friend and he also needed somebody to

exposition towards. Yeah, he gets like, like Sherlock Holmes has a Watson. It's weird that Batman's always just thinking really, really long pieces of text to himself. And then we need a little. And then also the idea, of course, was that having a kid sidekick meant that kids could relate more to the character. It's hard to relate to Batman, but it's different. Yeah. Kids are always getting a funny little scraps and nearly being murdered by the Joker. You know, why wasn't that hasn't that really played like it wasn't in the not really in the Nolan trilogy? No, in the Nolan trilogy, Joseph Gordon Levin in the third one is implied he's going to be Robin, all the next Batman or something. It's a bit vague. And the 89 one as well didn't, I don't think, but that sort of turns into the one where Robin comes in, right?

Correct, yes. Sort of. Yeah, we'll certainly get to those. Great, sorry. That's a point. No, please. But yeah, for people that can't say this, but this is just an assortment of loose notes. Right. I'm on paper, so I'll go back and... I don't think I really like Robin that much as a character. He always seems the ones from the movies. Okay. And the TV show.

It's depending on how you count them. There's been somewhere between four and seven robins. Yeah, there's one called Bruce Graham or something like that. Yeah, there's one called Bruce Graham. Some of them, I wouldn't be Bruce. We can talk about it later. Dick Grayson. There is a Dick Grayson. That's the first one. That's the one from the movies and the TV show. Right. Yeah, I don't know. I just found, yeah, something about it. I'm just like just like that man be Batman. I like him being a loner. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I think a lot of people feel that way as well. That's, he's, I find that more relatable because you're a yeah I'm a what Nick yeah cool alone wolf yes wealthy wealthy loan you've got a wolf pack

that do go on crew but you could very easily go out of hell I'm I'm the hell we only catch up once a week and that's enough other than that solo. Yeah, solo trader. Yeah, solo drinker. This was also when, surely afterwards, we got Batman number one, which was his own solo series, but the story is continued. So, we were getting Batman stories and detective comics, and we were getting Batman stories in the Batman comic itself. Should you have to buy buy two to keep up with the story? No, they were separate. Conny, when he was less of an issue, I think, back in the day. So if you saw, it was mostly just picked up pick up one on the head of Batman story.

Batman number one introduces, I believe, the cat woman and the Joker, with two of Batman's recurring villains for decades. What else? By this point, by sort of the mid-40s, they were like, okay, because it was getting more popular, they were like, okay, maybe we should take out some of them, the more deadly elements of Batman, so we stopped killing people and renounced guns and etc. It was never really mentioned. He never really gave them away.

It's just they stopped bringing it. That didn't go all the way back to the start. Is he now a never a gun guy? Or did he make a decision? Basically, the current origin of Batman would suggest that at some point he thought about it and then he was like, nah, I bet it not. But then there's some weird thing that he you guys talk about on the weekly planet.

Yes. Sometimes about Ben Affleck because that sounds like some sort of exotic dessert. One benaflick. I was thinking that too. I'll have a benaflick, please. To go. So none in 43, there was also a Batman newspaper comic strip that kicked off as well. So now there's three continuous storyline that's happening.

Bob Kane's, all of these have this little banner on them that says Batman by Bob Kane. There's a lot of people might recognize this little square and it's got his name in his own little handwriting be with a really Batman by Bob Kane. There's a lot of you people might recognize this little square and it's got his name in his own little handwriting, be with a really big old Bob Kane. That's on all the masked heads. And that's interesting because back in the day,

there was no, what happened? What happened? Okay, back in the day. You guys making fun of me? No, absolutely no, I'm making fun of days. Okay, great. I'll accept that. Yeah.

So back in the day, nobody really got a buy line. SIGAL and SHOOTED creators were superman famously never really got any credit for their character, but Bob Kane in the first meeting where he went in and he sold his character. Nobody really knows what was said, but that's good. Yeah, that's exactly. He said I know where you live. Exactly, but he forever got this byline on it basically everything. And it later became initially with that and then years later up until, even maybe 2015,

it just every piece of Batman media said Batman created by Bob Kane, I'm honest. And apparently, according to some people in the know, maybe the who heard it second hand, apparently the contract, which has never been seen, I don't believe, says that Batman would be forever listed as solely created by Bob Kane. So he could, like, whatever negotiating tactic he, he, it's a prototype.

It was kind of watertight. Especially back then. He showed him his balls. Yeah, that's what hetight. It was kind of watertight. It was actually back then. Yeah. You showed him his balls. Yeah, that was it. They're terrifying. This is mine, or I will show you these balls exactly. It was like, and again, and I know where you live. Every piece of this does.

I'll show you them there. I'll show you kids my balls. Oh, okay. Okay, and then they suddenly feel it. I'll show you top of my ball. I'll show that little pretty. Was it pet a pup? Yeah, I'll show my balls. Funny animals.

So Bob came because he had that Bob came to me. Oh, because he had that name in the credits, he became sort of a minor celebrity. So as the decades were on when he when they created the Batman TV series, which we'll get to shortly afterwards, when the Batman movies came, like the Tim Burton Batman movies came out, and the ADC sort of, he really embraced, he was kind of a large of the life character. And like he went to the 1989 Batman premiere

in like a white suit with like a black velvet cape on. Like he got out of the Batman Bill just to greet all his fans. It sounds like a white suit with like a black velvet cape on. Like he got out of the Batman bill just to greet all his fans. I'm like a mad dog. Yeah and he, and he, and he played parlor there. He stopped a few years later. In towards I think I guess the 60s he stopped drawing. He stepped away from the Batman comic books and he just started doing like oil paintings and lithographs of Batman. And he would, that he would tour around the world with and people would buy them. Anyway, he died in 1998, age 83 and I've got a little quote, this is from his headstone, which I'll, you know, a bit of fun. Headstones are a bit of fun, they are a bit of fun. Uh, headstones are a bit of fun. They are a bit of fun, actually.

Uh, so God bestowed a dream upon Bob Cain, blessed with divine inspiration, a rich, and a rich imagination, Bob created a legacy known as Batman. Uh, let's say, uh, Bob Cain, Bruce Wayne, Batman, they are one and the same. Bob infused his dual identity character with his own attributes, goodness, kindness, compassion, sensitivity, generosity, goodness, kindness, compassion, sensitivity, generosity, intelligence, integrity, courage, purity of spirit, a love of all mankind. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, know, and, you know, all these amazing creative, these characters, this huge, this huge, roads gallery and all these supporting characters. And adjusted for inflation, the Batman movies create collectively have made three and a half billion dollars.

Billion. Billion. Speaking of movies though, and if I want to wind it back a little bit, there's a man named Michael Useland, and he's been a producer on, or he's basically been a producer on all the Batman movies, like he started the Burton Batman movies up until Justice League, which is the most recent one. And he was a comic book fan since he was a little kid. And in 1965, he convinced his parents to take him to the first New York Comic Con,

like the first one that ever happened. Wow. Comic Con's been gone since 65. Well, it's actually been going before that. This was considered the first official Comic Con because before that, like fans had created Comic Con since together and talk about, you know, Comic Books. But this was the first one where, like,

creators and artists and writers would show up. But this was the first one where creators and artists and writers would show up. It's awesome. And this was at the Broadway Central Hotel, which was quite of a rickety. This is July 31, 1965, Broadway Central Hotel. This was a very dodgy rickety hotel. Apparently three months after this convention,

the roof caved in, and the building was condemned. But so Michael Useland, who is this big comic book fan, he convinced his parents to take him and his younger brother to this comic book convention. And that was so thrilled, it was super exciting because he loved comic books since he was a tiny little kid. And he and his brother went up to a bar to order a couple of coaks just to take a little rest from all the excitement of the comic-con. And they ran into a guy, his name's Otto Binder.

He was a very, very prolific comic book writer from back in the day. And he was having a conversation with another man who they didn't recognize. And Otto Binder, he'd read in fraction comics and adventure comics. And he created, he worked on the Shuzam Captain Marvel family just so many thousands of issues.

And they were so excited to meet him. And he's, and then this autobiography of those kids, hey, would you kids like to meet the creator of Batman? And they were so fired, they were like, this is so exciting, we're going to meet Batman. And they turned to this guy, who they didn't write, they were like, we're going to meet Bob Kane, this is Bob Kane Kane the guy and they turn to this guy and it's it's it's not Bob Kane it's a it's a different man and so and I might you're gonna need I'm gonna need you all steady yourself this is a man of the name of Bill finger

Bill finger Bill Finger. That's a stupid. Some of the people who message in and say, want the Batman episode, they wanted to hear about Bill Finger. Yeah, right. I forgot about that. Bill Finger. So Bill Finger's the real. Well, he's the thing.

So again, every master had said, always said Batman, created by Bob Kane. And there's actually, so basically what happened is, the thing about Batman, because he's the world's greatest detective. So I guess the fans who were spying to be like Batman also became little detectives.

And there was a huge fan of Batman at the time. He's known as Jerry Biles. And he was like, okay, so there's detective comics and there's Batman comics and there's a Batman newspaper strip. Like, how was it that Bob Kane had time to write all this and draw all this? And so he wrote to DC Comics and this was at the time when if you wrote to a comic company, they would write you back. I want to talk about something that could have legal ramifications. Yeah, six or 13 year old boy, could you please write me back?

And then we'll actually know where his little Timmy will send you all the details. This is a lawyer's name. If you want to ask him a question, he's a little showback. So one of the, so he was like, so is Bob Kane right? And he also writes, so writes Batman stories. And they wrote him back and they were like, okay, he's some contributors, he's some artists, but the name that came up was a guy called Bill Finger who'd been ghost writing this character for not from 1939 to 1965. So the story goes that in 1939

Bob came yeah, he again he went away on a Friday and he went and he went To create his character called the Batman. I'll find a fun little photo. He created just a little one Please it's very it's very outside of that one time you say we created the Batman you've dropped the the They used to them up initially he's the bat man the bat hyphen man yeah it got dropped I want to say the 50s right so it's around for a little while please people everyone similar Facebook yeah the Facebook exactly Facebook man so he went to say drop Facebook man oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh So they drop face book man. Oh, a book man. Face man. Oh. From the A-Tex. Who's a guy with a face?

Yes, man. Oh, that's cool. So he went away and he created his character, the Batman. Now, this version of the Batman sort of wears like a red union, like a bright red union suit. He's got the big black trunks. He's got blonde hair. You can see his head. He's got a little red union suit. He's got the big black trunks. He's got blonde hair. You can see his head.

He's got a little domino mask on. And he's got these big stiff sort of bat wings. Oh, it's like a devil, a demon. I get a little so bad. Nothing like a bat, not so much like a bat. So then he called a friend of his bill finger who he'd also gone to high school with. And who's an aspiring writer and also she's a school.

What a school. I can tell you, I'd have to find it. No, I mean what, I'm saying what a school. What a school, you know, what's the school? School, the need to send my feet to children there. And Bill Fingert was basically like, okay, this isn't gonna work. Okay, so what you need,

you need the costume to be darker, because he's a creature of the night. He's a bat, so they made it gray and black. Then he was like, okay, he's got this little domino mask on. People are going to see his face and criminals are not going to be intimidated by that. So I have to give him a cow, the covers his whole face, given the baddies, because then he's more like a bat. And then he's like, okay, these stiff wings are not going to be practical.

Have I given him a cape instead and give it like a scalloped edge. So it looks like bat wings. He can flat behind it. He fully designed it. He fully designed it. And then he was like, OK, and there's nothing. It might be put a symbol in the chest, like break up, and put a bat on there.

So we know he's the bat man. That girl does look sick, but yeah, it's not at all like bat man. His hair is totally sick. He looks sick, bro. So basically, he brought, so Jerry Bales, who was this big fan of comic books and of Bill Fingert, was like, okay, we're gonna bring you to this comic book convention, you can talk about this.

And so he basically came out as this guy who'd been writing for Bob Kane. Oh, so I should go all the back a little bit. So basically Bill fingered writer designed this character and then basically he went Okay, here it is and then Bob came went to DC and was like, okay, I created this character here it is and I created this and My name on everything. Thank you. Yeah, so you said or I'll show you my soul And then he came back to Bill bill and he was like, okay, just letting you know, I sold it.

Congratulations, we did it. But because I made the sale, my name's gonna be on it. And I'll pay you a portion of my salary, but there was never any contractor written out. So the idea was that Bill would write, Bill got fingered. Yes, Bill would write the stories, thank you. And Kayne would write the story. Bill got fingered. Yes, Bill would write the story, so thank you. And Kane would draw the stories.

So that was the arrangement. He camed him. For some time. With Bill's finger. And so Jerry Bales was this huge fan. He actually wrote an article. Was it two page articles? Do you have a question?

I was going to say, so Bill Fingert was the right, he wrote the stories. Yes. And Kane drew them. But also Bill Fingert basically designed. He designed Batman all the time. So he designed how he looks and he wrote all the stories. Well, I mean, there is some, Bob Kane certainly did write some of the stories and he created some of the characters.

So Bob Kane's initial idea, people, you know, they both came up with the idea, okay, well, Batman should have a sidekick because he needed somebody to talk to. And Bob Kane's idea was a character called Mercury. It was a teen boy and he had a super costume that gave him super powers. And Bill Finger was just like, what the fuck? Maybe just making him a regular kid. Yeah, that would be weird to have your sidekick be more powerful. Exactly. Just a regular kid. Yeah, that would be weird to have your sidekick be more powerful. Yeah, right exactly. So so Jerry Biles wrote a little article was a two-page article called

if the truth be known or a finger in every plot and it was this two-page article basically saying Hey, everybody just letting you know in case you're wondering Bill fingered there's he's this guy and he created all these characters um and wow Jerry Jeopardy and but of course he couldn't really publish that anyway his characters and. Wow, Jerry. Jerry. And of course, he couldn't really publish that anyway. So he'd basically just zeroxed a whole bunch of copies. And if anybody was curious, like he would accept letters from people who are curious about it

or he'd find out their details or he'd see him at comic conventions, he would give him a copy of the email, the copy. Anyway, so Bob Kane responded to this. He went to a Batman fanzine called Batmania, and he called and Bill Finger also spoke on that day on that comic con, and he spoke about it. Yeah, I did create a lot of this stuff. And basically, Bob Kane went to this fanzine and was like, hey, love your work, big fan of your fanzine, read it all the time, love it.

He was like, just letting you know that Bill Fingert statement about the creation of Batman, it was fraudulent and entirely untrue. The truth is Bill Fingert is taking credit for much more than he deserves. I refute much of his statements here in print. And he said he claimed to create the Batman figure and costume entirely by myself.

Yeah. Tramma. So basically what happened is, yeah, they, he, Bill and Bob met at a party one time and, and only Bob only dealt with, with DC directly. He was the only one. And apparently, he never told anyone about Bill and people at DC never asked because

again it was this situation where it was like as long as you're bringing the work and we don't care. But a child did ask in letter form and they did. That's right. Yeah, I guess eventually they figured it out like after a decade or so. Right. They figured it out and they're just like, all right then. Uh, where else can I?

Wow. Yeah. Uh, this story has got it all. There is got it all right. It's got else can I put it in? Wow. Yeah. Ah, this story has got it all. Sarah's got it all right. It's got a little hook to it. And let me find the rest of the hook. Hang on. Let me lay there.

Okay. So yeah, so the characters that were in doubt that people, uh, either Bob or Bill had a hand in Batman, obviously, Catwoman, Robin, the Penguin, the Joker, the Ridler, the scarecrow, Commissioner Gordon, Bruce Wayne, the identity of Batman. Bill Fingers said that he thought of the character Robert the Bruce, the Scottish nobleman, and Wayne was also a very noble man, so he created that name. He named Gotham City. He named the Batmobile. He created the notion of the Dark Knight.

That's his name. Stop living a lot of scraps. The Batcave. He also wrote the two-page origin story in which Batman got his origin. Right, so that's, you know, not much. What's left, like Gecko Man as a bad guy? No, there's the riddler, he wasn't mentioned.

The riddler, Gecko Man. The riddler was mentioned. I can say Bob came definitively created two-face, who is the... Who character? Harvey Dent. ...the attorney who was scarred by acid and becomes a... Famously played by Tommy...

Tommy Lee Jones, who played by Billy D Williams in the first movie and then Tommy Lee Jones many years later. What else? Clayface. All right, can you discuss everyone's that people have heard of? No, people like Clayface. How long?

Clayface, never heard of Clayface. Would you do a quick challenge for me? Go ahead. What can you write? Give me the top 10 in order, most famous. So Batman be number one in the Batman world. Would number two, would you say be Joker, right? I'd say it's probably the Joker, yeah.

Then number three, be Robin, then Catwoman. Yep, Catwoman, okay. Penguin's Gear Crow, that'll be up there. Mm-hmm. And then, you haven't said the butt there yet. Oh, it's an ivy. Oh, Alfredia, Alfred the Butler Poison ivy, thank you. There we go.

Poison ivy, what about Captain Freeze? Oh, Mr. Freeze. Nice to freeze you. Yes, okay. Oh, no, sorry. Ice to freeze you. Yeah, that's very correct. Let's say.

Was that a finger or a cane? Ice to freeze you? That's a good or a rock. I think he might have been, because he wasn't a really big character. He was just kind of, he was really a nothing character for a really long time. He would resent that, but, yeah, he was originally called Mr. Zero. He actually wasn't Mr. Frays. And then in the 1960s, they needed for the Batman TV series, they needed a bunch of relatively harmless characters

Like no serial killers, no two faces, etc. And they were like, okay, let's get this. This guy seems jovial and harmless So they really missed a phrase and I put him into the TV series. Yeah. Is there anybody? And I don't know if you're gonna cover this later. I'm sorry if I'm jumping ahead. Is there anybody else besides Alfred? Yep, who knows Bruce Wayne's secret. I'll hope so people. Oh, okay, so I'm sorry if I'm jumping ahead. Is there anybody else besides Alfred? Yep. Who knows Bruce Wayne's secret? I'll hope so people. Oh, okay, so. Red Fox.

Sorry? Red Fox? Oh, Lucius Fox. Look, so it's, but look, the idea is behind Batman is, you know, he's this mysterious figure of the night and nobody knows who he is. We're basically everybody knows who he is. So Commissioner Gordon probably knows,

but he doesn't want to say anything. Catwoman knows, because they've had an on and off relationship for years hot All the robins know so that's like another seven people the riddle knows but For some reason he won't tell He's a It's a riddle trepid. He's a riddle trepid. He's probably trying to tell people, but he's telling it in riddle film.

No one can crack it. He's a wany Bruce. I don't understand. I don't get it. Jim K. Tell us what are you trying to say? Just a whole bunch of things. I was a Westкip secret in comics. That's interesting. I didn't realize that.

Who plays, um, who most famously plays Alfred? I wonder. Oh, yeah, that's a good question, David. David, do you have any idea who plays Alfred? I believe it was, uh, Caesar Romero in the original. Oh, no, no, no. He would have been a good... He's thinking of Michael Gow from 1999. That's bad for me. Michael think he have Michael Gell from 1999? That's bad man Michael Gell

Michael Gell Wait, hang on, I think he might even be here now Ha, ha My name is Michael K At home? I'm not related to Bob Bob, I'm a third pie Michael, Mr. K, are you okay?

Sorry, Master. Why? Bruce. The Lamborghini needs it. Much more subtle. Struggling in a brave. Wow, I don't remember this, but it's a bit of a beautiful email.

Yeah. It's a beautiful retelling. Thank you. And seen. Very good. Yeah, that was I did that to be the drama queen of school. So did you drama queen? What are you guys? What were you guys? Drama captains drama queen. Sorry, drama queen. Anyway, what I might do is I'll talk a little bit, I'll, they're tiny little bit more about Bill Finger. I might come back to him later,

but I'll just get get that. Although We can talk about the history of Batman, maybe in the TV shows and the movies and the animated shows and all that sort of stuff. That's how everyone hunked down. We're in the lov- I'm excited. I'm lovin' this. Yeah, lovin' it.

Okay, so in 1972, Bill Finger, there's not a lot because Bob came was a huge guy and he was a huge character and he was all over the place. He was all over the media. He did a lot of Bob came as a huge guy and he is a huge Character and he was all over the place. He was all over the media He did a lot of interviews and stuff like that, but Bill Finger never really talked to anybody There's maybe maybe it's like two surviving Interviews with him and at a certain point there was only three photographs of him He was kind of an enigma like nobody really knew him Direct and he's a real person. He's definitely a real person.

We'll get to it. We'll maybe we'll finish up with Bill Finger. We'll talk about him at the end. He'd change your name, and I wouldn't he? I wouldn't. Well, actually, Bill Finger, not his real name. Oh, get fucked. He did that.

You chose Finger. I love it. He did just finger. He chose Bill. So yeah, he chose Bill. One, one, he did just... All right, it's William Finger. Certainly. One of the, one of the... Willie Finger? Oh, yeah, he would go Bill. One, one interview. All right, it's William Fingert. Certainly.

One of the, one of the... Willie Fingert. Oh, no, you wouldn't go Bill. You would go Bill. You would go Bill. Yeah, so in 1972, there was an audio interview with him, and he says, look, regarding his work on Batman, he says, I was a ghost, I really was.

It wasn't until later that DC found out that I was the writer and the Bobcane wasn't the writer. So humble. He's a little bit humble. Hang on, I'll find a little. Could you be a little bit humble? Yes, I can't think of you. So this is from that tape, he says, but when I came up there for the first time in the DC offices, GDRO was a kid in these big offices. Bobcane was using me as a kind of tool all this time to bolster his own paycheck. So he was kind of like his, he was robin to his, the Batman.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Finger was robin. Finger was the robin, yeah. And Bill Finger, again, he produced a lot of, again, so much, so much that, that became part of the Batman mythos, like, you know, again, so many of the supporting characters and the villains and like one of the one one thing that made Batman very popular was that like the scale of all the adventures. There's a lot of, and making Gotham City the character as well. Like Gotham City was filled with all these weird props and kind of like, there's a, go ahead, go ahead, Matt. No, that is very funny. That's, you know, when I was watching the movie, I couldn't help but feel, it's an extra character in this film. And it doesn't have a credit,

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What? You've lost it. I don't think I inspired you and everything you do. Huh, huh. Huh, huh, huh. What's his real name again? So remember? A bit William Fingert. There we go. Willie Fingert. Willie. That's the classic Willie Woney Fingert scenario. Oh boy. Anyway, Gotham City's kind of like it's character on its own. But the Batman comics were known for these huge set pieces on Batman with fights and films on a giant typewriter.

Or because that was part of the city. Or if you look at a, if you Google the Bat Cave, one of the images of the Bat Cave is there's like a giant robot dinosaur and there's a giant and these are all like tokens of his adventures that he collected over the years and that was all Bill Fingert was all these characters, all these little bits and pieces that sort of added to the mythos. Apparently he would like, he would like bus around New York City and he had a little book and he would just collect little ideas and that would,, giant penny.

Giant penny, exactly. Well, he needed to get on a bus to figure that one out. Exactly. Well, he actually won the one time he went to a place called the Gotham Jewelers and that's what I'm trying to say. Oh, tiny bus. Tiny bus. So was Gotham City sort of based on New York City?

Yes, it is, yeah. Cool. Yeah. Conquered Jungle. Exactly. In Dreamland, but in Rat Race. That's safe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come create jungle. Exactly. A dream. But it rat race. That's safe. Paid paradise. Yeah. Catch that Tram and a work every day.

But he paving the body pavement. Paid from it. That's what I do. Paid in the pavement. He's a little funny. He's a little fun tidbit. The Batman TV series. Bill Finger was the only comic book writer to write a TV episode. None of the comic book writers ever did.

They were all TV writers. He does at all. Yeah, so this was, it was the episode, The Clock King's Crazy Crimes, featuring The Clock King. Clock King Crazy Crimes. Giant Clock. And he's right down. There was a giant clock. The human clock. Big crown. Yeah. Was rejected for a bank loan. So he wrote, so he wrote he wrote a friend of his. It was a TV radical Charleston Claire.

And they they submitted the script and Charleston Claire recalls in an interview later. He said, okay, they they've bought this and Bill said to him, listen, there's only one request. Because it said the clockings, crazy crimes by Charleston Claire and Bill Fingert and he said, would it be okay if I was put first in the title? So that would be nice. Bill, you'd diva. I know right, but they did. So if you look at their title, but... Did he, if it's okay? Yeah, so you don't mind. He was really humble.

I thought he was going to say... I thought he was going to ask... I thought he was going to ask, my one request is that I actually get credited for that. I'm afraid it is so paranoid. So that is literally his only published credits for Batman up until, well, we'll get to it a little bit. Was it a good episode? Famously the best episode? It wasn't been one of the best episodes. Crazy clockless, crazy Clint's crazy process. Yeah, crazy.

It's on the floor. It must zap the door. Upper Daly's discount warehouse. Yeah. So anyway, Bill didn't do a lot after that. He wrote some, he'd write articles for carpentry magazines, and he'd write for the... I know another guy who wrote articles for carpentry magazines.

Yes, and who was that? Far. Tell me about it. Please don't. Like the I know another girl who wrote articles for cover Tell me about it. Please don't okay. He would also write for like the there's a place called the army pictorial center Where they would do like that would like make like instructional videos for people in the army? He would write for that sort of stuff. Oh my god. I want to fall That's right this guy created the most famous comic book character of all time. Yeah in the 70s He went back to working for D. Savodine and Wilkney Superhero stuff. He worked on mostly mystery stuff.

He worked on mainly instructional videos. Exactly. In January 18, 1974, he had two of these mystery stories, Jew. He handed in one of them, and he went home, and presumably to work on it. And then sometime later, his friend Charles in Clare the TV writer was like,, I haven't seen him in a while, I should probably, probably see him,

see me jump to and he came, he went there and he passed away. He had a history of other types. Passing away? Yeah, exactly, yeah. Been revived many times. It could have been revived many times. It was his family actually.

In fact, every member of his family in generations before him had passed away. His grandfather. His great grandfather. They were expecting this to happen at some point. Yeah. So sad. Um. That's what maybe that's what Crazy Clint's clock was counting down to.

Wow. I guess Crazy Clint's clock finally hit mid-night. Hang in a way. Even Crazy Clint's clock finally hit mid-night. Hang in a way. Even crazy Clint's clock is right twice a day. Just like I have a low low prices. They're only right twice a day. It's a giant clock, I can't. They're shops are the only twice a day.

It's all one thing. I can't be expected to open this clock. You can have a look at our clocks now for that next minute. They're all working very well, as you can see. All right, after the door, you want to make the purchase or get the fuck out? Isn't the intercom announcement? Crazy clocks will be closing in approximately one minute. Thank you very much.

We're also opening right now. So, after the death of, so in, in 1989, so many years later, Bobcane, this is, this is after the release of the Batman movie, Bobcane released his autobiography, which he released with, you wrote it with a man named Thomas Andre. And in this autobiography on page 44, there's a line, now that my longtime friend and collaborator is gone, I must admit that Bill never received the fame and recognition he deserved. Oh, you piece of shit!

He was an unsung hero because he came into the strip after I had created Batman, he did not get a buy line. If I often tell my wife, if I can go back 15 years before he died, I would like to say, I'll put your name on it now, you deserve it. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it's nice, right? Yeah. Too little too, right? But it's still nice. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, now that he's no longer a legal threat.

Exactly, yeah. So, it seems that Bob Kane did have some regrets. He went back and forth, he had some regrets, but also, I think he was in a position where he couldn't reveal like that, that that was kind that that Bill Finger had a real Like a huge impact on the creation of Batman At one point he Produced a page that alleged from allegedly from 1934 so four years before he could five years before he created Batman That he created when he was 14 years old, with a sketch of a Birdman slash Batman.

It was dated January 17th, 1934, and I'll find a copy for you right now. This is Bob Kane. This is Bob Kane. And he's like, I mean, you know, he did have some contributions obviously, but I just want to let you know that years beforehand, I also created this character. Oh wow, yeah, if that is real.

Well, if that's the thing, if it's real, because again, first of all, why put the date on it? Yeah, that's a bit strange. If it's a random stuff, it's a 14-year-old and they're just like, this, right now. Yeah. Also, if you... It has the symbol. and I'm stuck as a 14 year old and they're just like, date this right now. Also, if you, it has a symbol.

It's got, yeah, it does, it has a bat symbol on it, which his design for the Batman did not have. And it's also got the cow with the ears on it. Yeah. So isn't it weird that he went, now years ago I had this design for a Batman, but I'm not gonna use it, I'm gonna use this version. So it's not a bill, what do you want to add to it?

Oh, those things from my old, what do you, yeah, right? Right, yeah, that does seem a bit, so. Yeah, it does seem a bit, yeah. What an absolute prick. Yeah, it seems so, why, it doesn't it, yeah. I like the two different reactions over there. Hmm, yeah, it seems a little...

Yeah, Matt's like, what an absolute prick. I don't know, I always, because I know memories are so, what do you call it, not trustworthy. People like that much time passes, he'd start, I reckon both of them, their memories change things. Well, exactly, and I think the more you talk about something,

like if you, the more you repeat a lie, sometimes you even start to believe that lie. I mean, obviously you've created fake evidence of creating your character five years earlier by being like, look at this drawing that may, if it is made up, you're a prick. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that does feel crickish. But you believe it and then you go, I don't have any proof, but it's definitely true. I'm fortunate to think to prove this thing, I believe is true.

I don't. Still dodgy, but you know that story that there's an a the boy who Christ will American a journalist who crowd will a wolf who cried general some sort of he was in I think it was in one of the Iraq walls and he the the story told he was it he was hit. He was in a helicopter. They got hit by a gunfire or whatever. But they went back and found out that he wasn't in that was hit, he was in a helicopter that got hit by a gunfire or whatever.

But they went back and found out that he wasn't in that helicopter. He was in a helicopter quite a way back from it, I think. And then they traced him telling the story and it's slowly morphed. He fully believed it, but every time he told it, he was closer to the action. He was then in the helicopter that got hit. Then he was in the helicopter, went down. He was likely to be alive, like it got bigger and bigger and he actually fully believed it. But obviously that's not ideal for a journalist. Like a quite a famous journalist in America.

But also in this instance that would be like that guy creating a fake video of him being hit by the rocket and saying, this happened. Assuming, yeah, assuming that isn't. I'd say if it is a fake drama, which I don't know. Yeah, the circumstances would seem a bit, they do feel a bit off, the dating of it as a child, but I mean, maybe that, you know. So I mean, kids could do that, who knows?

It's possible. I'm sure I'd put dates on things at some point. Yeah, it's weird that he would have reversed it. So that red one, that is definitely what he submitted at first. He cannot always first. He didn't submit that first, but he showed people that. Right. So it's very similar.

And the exact things that Fingert suggested are the exactly exactly. Yeah, he had originally. So I mean, Bill did suggest that I had already thought. Exactly. But I just didn't use them. How do we know that Bill definitely suggested them? Isn't that just Bill's word? Oh, yeah, I guess that's true. So I think what we've done here is fallen for the trap

of going with a guy with a much cooler name and just believing him. That's what I've done. Bill Fingert, sounds trustworthy, huh? Yeah, yeah, right. Bob Kane, you're on. Sounds like a politician. Yeah, and I'm not voting for him.

Bill Finger, got my vote. Number one finger. Yeah, in his autobiography, Bob Kane's autobiography, also, he did eventually give, again, post, post the death of his friend, he did say, okay, yeah, you know what, he did actually corroborate, okay, well, he added the tape and he added the thing. It's also so brutal that he, they were friends and they were, they were so close together, it's like, why not just say you're a team the whole time?

Exactly. But that's the thing. Like, I think it also, definitely an ego thing, but also because so much of his, like his whole, his son and his fame was on the Batman guy. And to be. And his fame was, I'm the Batman guy. And to be like, actually, I'm only half the Batman guy. We're the Batman guy, but that would be fine. It'd be nice to be able to share it. It would actually be better.

I'm in a Robin situation. Financially, were they both very well off? No. No Bob Kane definitely was. Bill Fingert not so much. Yeah. So that's real strong. I just don't understand her.

You could do that to any, like even someone you don't like, but let alone your friend who actually is responsible for your success. The long of the long running rumor was that Bill Fingert was in fact he was buried in a potter's field, which is a which is a cemetery for people that don't have any family or money. So they just like an anonymous kind of grave situation. Do we know if that is true? Well, we'll get to a later maybe I love them all this Precisal anyway, what else? Saddle about Batman cuz we so so Batman he was he was you know kind of a dark Avenger initially and then he kind of softened up in the 40s

By the 50s I think we maybe we talked about it. I don't want to have our other comic book episodes, but They introduced the comics code authority in the 50s, which was basically like you can't be no blood and no death And no don't anybody be mean to each other and whatever. Yeah, you talk about this on the original Marvel And so I think that took some of the edge off and so Batman like the 50s There was a lot of him dealing with aliens and space for Norman really yeah So how cuz in most of his on screen worlds as I understand it dealing with aliens and space for Norman Oliver. Really? Yeah, uh-huh. So how, because in most of his on-screen worlds

as I understand it, they're basically real world-ish. Like, certainly the Nolan thing, the TV show was just like, it was a costume party, really. Yeah, right, uh-huh, yeah, yeah. But he does exist, obviously, in the new movies, he's in an alien world. Yeah, he's in the DC universe, which is full of, it's just lunacy, all of it.

And people, I mean, I'm jump around, but the people love the, uh, Benathwick, portrayal of him, right? Well, but, or is it just the look of him? I like the look, right. I could take a leave the performance. I mean, it's fine, but it's, you know, it's, it's hard, I think, to, to emote and be a real character when all you can see is two eyes and a mouthful. That's more of the Bruce Wayne that he's doing.

Yeah, right, exactly. But is there a thing about him using guns and that? Oh, he's inconsistent. There's a lot of killing in that. Right. There's a lot of, at one point, he hits a guy with a packing crate and then the guy cracks his head on the wall. There's a huge blood stain. Yeah. It's definitely dead. One point of machine guns a guy wearing a flamethrower and the flamethrower blows up and that it was fun. They went don't wear a flamethrower.

Flamethrower. Exactly. It's a poor accessory. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Don't wear a flamethrower. No, I thought. I was. Yeah. You have always said that. That's what your tattoo says, isn't it? Yeah, first time it's almost my intense. So, yeah, so that's the most recent one. Probably not going to be him anymore from what you've said every second week or. Oh, yeah, for sure. He's not super keen on that role. There's that great footage of him in an interview about Batman Vestor Man. Oh, yes.

And he is looking in the middle distance. He is very sad. He is very sad, really. Yeah. Oh, it's the best and worst. Let's do about happy about Batman, Tom. Yeah, OK. So I got quite silly in the 50s.

In the 60s, they were like, OK, let's lighten this character up again. They hired a guy called Carmine in Fantino, who's a great artist, to redefine Batman's look. And so they made him, instead of this dark Avenger character, they lightened up his suit and they gave him the gold, the yellow, bats, and Bologna's chest. They lightened up all the characters. And from that is the basis of the Batman TV series. So that was for comics? That was for comics. He got the yellow and stuff.

Exactly. And then they were like, let's do this. Let's do this. Exactly. Yeah, which is a how. Precisely. Oh, when did the song come in? Was that for that show? That was for that show.

Yes. Do you mean the song? Bam. Bam. It's a great music. Bam. Yeah, it's sick. It would have to be a 60s made song, I guess.

Yeah, and that's a, let me find. Um, actually, you know, we'll talk about Batman in film, I guess we'll start. So the first Batman film series was there was a 15 episode serial in 1943, which is super racist, because it's, it was, it's World War Two based. Uh, and so it's basically a propaganda film. Uh, and Batman is in his. And Batman is engaged by the government to defeat a villainous Japanese villain called Dr. Dacca. It's pretty racist.

Dr. Dacca, did he pull everyone's pants down? Yeah, it's exactly right. That was his skill set, exactly. Wait, is that the noise you make when you're dacking someone or when you get dacked? I'll do the sound of dacking. You do the sound of being dacked, right? That's that would have gone.

That serial is also notable for creating the Batcave. That's the first experience of Batcave. And that also defined the look of Alfred, because in the comic books, he was quite a portally gentleman and in the the cereal they made him quite more marked with a little mustache he very Michael cany exactly and that characterization was maintained for a while it was also one in nineteen four there was a there was a series called cereal called Batman and Robin in 1949 which is also terrible terrible. Again, doesn't use any Batman villains.

Use the character called the Wizard. And that that serial, I think, is most notable for they keep thinking that Batman and Robin are like, okay, we think the villain, we think the Wizard. We don't know his identity, but we think his name's Professor Hamill. But Professor Hamill's in a wheelchair, and the Wizard is not in a wheelchair. So it't possibly couldn't possibly be him and then they go to visit Professor Hamill And he's not in a wheelchair anymore, and it's never brought up Nobody twinks nobody twizz a little continuity error in the movie So it nobody oh in the mood. Yeah, right Which we can they just lost the wheelchair halfway through filming and they're like now and one night us

Yeah, maybe that they they the rental period expired. They sent will notice. Yeah, maybe that. The rental period expired. They had to send it back. Yeah, they are expensive. You're on day by day. Oh. Yeah. Batman TV series, Adam Westbert Ward. I think a lot of people know the Batman TV series was Matt.

Something, something. Bert Ward. It's a, and that was what the episode of The Simpsons with radioactive man movies sort of by that's right. Jimmie Gillikers. Yeah, I said Jimmie Gillikers so many times. It's almost so many. Yeah, exactly. Don't forget to use your nails, boys. And that master is the worst bad guy ever. And that's that the idea behind that. It was basically, OK, well, OK, we're going to create something that's super camp.

And the adults watching will be like, this is this is stupid and ridiculous, but kids who don't get that campy aspect would just be like. Yeah, it was still being regularly repeated in the 90s. I was a kid and it was watched, I watched it. Yeah, on Saturday afternoons, I reckon I watched it a lot. Very fun. Yeah, the color of it was awesome. The the the the shark repellent, bat shark repellent. Exactly. It became like a joke that he just had something for every scenario. Exactly. And that is that the series of that. That's the only really existed in

that series probably. Yeah, kind of did, but what happened was because that series was initially very popular, they changed the character in the comic books to be more silly and kind. But then, of course, when the the series popular already waned, all of a sudden, the story. Wain Bruce Wayne. Or then the version in the comic books was the popular that also waned. Yeah. And people like Bruce.

Yeah, thank you. Thomas Wayne. Thomas Wayne. The mum might. What Martha. Bruce Thomas Wayne the mom might wait Martha in the 70s Batman's hot popularity Wayne to bid CBS the TV station was interested in producing a series called Batman and Out of Space never emerged Sydney shine billion involved in that Michael Euslin who we mentioned earlier was a big

Batman fan he purchased the rights the film rights of Batman from DC comics in the late 70s. Right, so he was the one that met Bill Fingert for the first time in a child. Exactly. So that didn't put him off obviously being a lifelong obsessed. He was Batman fan, no, he kept out it because he was just such a huge Batman fan. And by this time he's like a rich TV exec that can make his job. Yeah, he wrote, actually wrote a script called The Return of the Batman to like, short

man, very. Repairing of the Batman to just like Sean Brown very. Apparently love the bad man. I like pitched to various film studios didn't really get anywhere up until 1989 when Tim Burton finally got the reins of the Batman movie franchise and made what I consider one very fun film and it was his hands. Exactly. This is a handsome self. So you reckon the first one's really good in the second one. He lost the plot a bit.

Well, he Tim Burton only agreed to make Batman Returns if he got full creative control. He burned it. He burned it to the ground. He burned it to the ground. But they were massive financial successes. And then he refused to do another one. They got Joel Schumacher to make two- They're a price card driver. Yes, exactly.

Yeah, that's amazing. Well, I mean, it was high octane that fell. He's a loose word, great. So maybe it's maybe you should have stuck to the track. The track, exactly. Exactly. Well, you know, you live in learn. You live in learn exactly.

Which ones were these Schumacher films? He wrote Batman. He directed Batman Forever. The one was you two in learn. You live in learn exactly. Which ones were these? She-Mac-of-Films? He wrote Batman. He directed Batman Forever. The one with you two in it? Was that that one? That was Batman Forever. Yes. With Jim Carrey's The Ridla.

I will be with you two in it. And, and seal. Kiss for a ride. Kiss for a ride. Yeah. And then he was the directed Batman and Reba, too. Which has, uh. Fuck me.

Kill me. Kiss me. Fuck me. That's the one. Thrill me. And fuck me again. Oh, sorry, I forgot. Mace is at the study, it wasn't swear. And I've just been potty mouthed and it up today. Sorry, Mace. Yeah, that's quite a run.

And then our Batman and Roman, that's the Mr. Freeze one. Which is the one that famously killed the Batman franchise. Because as a kid in the 90s, I thought they were fricking awesome. Yeah, right. I had the toys. I thought...

Which one's long with Davido? That is Batman Returns as the, Davido as the penguin. Is that Cumble Coppercock? Yeah, it is, yeah. I think that you said, yes. So that's so weird that he didn't, yeah, because that's iconic. And that was also the Catwoman, right? That was the Shelf-Lifer.

It's the Catwoman. But that's a bad movie, but it has iconic stuff in it. Contrary to her opinion, not a fan of Michelle Pfeiffer. Oh, wow. Yeah, not a fan. Well, I would argue she's gotten better at her age. Bit dull. Bit dull.

So charming. Wow. What do you base out of? Her films. Oh, okay. And also, you've never even met her to make a proper movie. I'm saying as an actor. Oh, as an actor. As a person she's delightful. I don't doubt that for a moment. I think I'd love to have a latte with her.

Soy or otherwise. Really? You're in the almond milk? No. Okay. Yeah, that's never almond milk. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. So, uh, Batman and Robin had Clooney in the in the wrong. Yeah. Oh, so as Robin. had Clooney in the role. Yeah, as Robin. Yeah, that's right. That's why I love it. So, Australians have George Clooney's been that man.

That man played by Polly Shore. That was real close. I guess all of the Batman movie castings made a bit with Michael Keaton, who was the first. I like Michael Keaton. Well, he was great, but he was like, he was not known as an action guy. He was Mr. Mom.

He was Mr. Mom. He was Mr. Mommy. Imagine a man raising kids. Imagine it. Yeah, that was the humor that was derived from that movie. What's wrong with him? Clones himself. Sarah Dipiti. No, I'm not interested in you.

Multiplicity. Yeah, that was good. He did it afterwards, I think. He was in dream team. He was in Beatles juice. So he was like this comedic guy and people were like, I don't know about this, but he carried it off of the front. I've always felt like he was a very,

and this isn't an interesting opinion, because I think everybody says it. He's quite underappreciated. Like he could have been, I reckon he could have been so much bigger. Mark Dayton. I think he's having a Renee Assom. Oh, definitely.

Yeah, for sure. Since the Bird Man. Yeah, yeah. And he's the Vulture. He's played quite a few men. He's like the police sergeant in the other guys. That's true. He is. Yeah. And he also works at bedbath and table in that. That's right. It's so funny. What? Is there ever been an on-screen Batman who the fans were happy with at the start? Like, I was announced. Val Hilma. Hmm. Oh yeah, where's Val come into this? Val was in for one.

I think Christian Val. They're happy with that. Yeah, I think he was. Really good. Yeah, he brought an intensity to it, I think. Yeah. So, um, Batman and Robin, George Clooney as Batman, he has famously said, I believe that if anybody ever comes up to him

and criticizes the quality of Batman and Robin, he just gives them their movie ticket price back. He will just give them the money back. Really? So he just carries cash with him? Yes, it will be so holy with him. He carries $11.50. He carries $11.50 with his eyes.

Yeah, yeah. One a day, he'll be the first in a day. I sort of know, I'm ex Mr. Clooney. Shut up, kid. Come on mate. Because he was one with the nipples as well, I think. Yes Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. One a day, he'll be the first in a day. I said, I know, I'm ex, Mr. Cloney. Shut up, kid. Come on mate. Because he was one with the nipples as well, I think. Yes, he was, yeah. And a big bat bulge in there.

He's the only man with nipples. No, bat nipples. He's the only man with bat nipples. He's got like 16 nipples. They had the, in the breastplate, had the hard erect nipples. No, we definitely know what you mean. We're just fucking with you. Oh, I thought you were talking about bat nipples. No, we definitely know what you mean. We're just fucking with you.

Oh, I thought you were talking about that nipple. I was really with you there. It's the point of, I'm sorry. But yeah, so obviously, you said that killed the bat franchise. It was kind of critically, because at the time, as an iron year old, I thought that it was so good. Well, so loved the nipples. Well, I think that's what I had a two-faced toy ahead.

I think it's precisely engineered to appeal to kids. One of the flaws in Batman Returns was it was weird and dark and violent and they couldn't sell any toys off it because it was just two. Kids don't want any cup of pots. Exactly, it was kind of unpleasant. And so they were like, okay, bring back their campiness and bring back the color. And he's a new Batman mobile that looks even fresher than the old bat mobile.

You gotta buy the new bat mobile. And, you know, which I did. He's all the new bat men suits and you gotta buy all the bat men suits. Which I did. Yeah, exactly. So I think kids loved it,

but I think critically, people were not a fan. I think I have seen it repeated on TV as an ad on being like, whoa, this is really bad. Have you got, what's the, I'm assuming I probably heard this story from you, but what's the story about Tommy Lee Jones was in the same movie as two face

as Jim Carrey was the riddler. And then they bumped into each other. They famously did not get along because this was Jim Carrey was the riddler during Batman Forever and he was at peak Jim Carrey at that point. And I guess he had to maintain the Jim Carreyness at all time. Yeah. He's since, you know, Malone. He's been a little bit. And Tommy Lee Jones was two-faced and apparently he only did it for his kids. These kids were like, why? And you know one of those movies and he's like, all right, I guess I'll do this. But apparently just it was hell on Earth for...

Well though, both trying to be the biggest, craziest person in the world. No, well Tommy Lee Jones is just like, I'm gonna do these lines and I'm gonna get it out of here, I guess. But apparently, but apparently during the filming, during the filming, Tommy Lee Jones went out to just a restaurant when he thought no one would recognize him and it would be very quiet. Is he dressed as two-faced?

No, he's just dissonant, right? This is his regular clothes. No one would recognize him, he dressed as two-faced. He walks in and everyone in his regular clothes. No one recognized him, he dressed as two face. He walks in and everyone's just staring at him. He was like, God damn it. And he just went and he's just like, I'm gonna have a quiet dinner. I'm gonna figure about this huge budget, whatever.

And then Jim Carrey just rolls into the restaurant, like in full Jim Carrey mode, probably with a weird entourage or whatever. Rodomy this, I want two baked eggs. And he just came up to him, he's clearly like, let's share a table, let's get out of here. Let's have a big night together. And apparently Tom and Lee Jones set him aside and went,

Jim, I cannot sanction your buffoonery. I hate all the plays. I cannot sanction. Leave me alone. I don't know if they get along. I don't know if they've gotten along since then. This is one of the stars of men in blue. Yeah.

Cannot. Yeah, exactly. That's right of the stars of men in blood. Yeah. Cannot sanction. Yeah, right, exactly. That's right, yeah. Your buffoonery. Yeah, let me go. I'm going to make a film where I talk to a dog. I think he's more talking about this off camera stuff. I think he was just so full on that he's like,

I can't handle this, Jim. I imagine it would have been really. But what are the ways? I just, the phrasing of that is pretty amazing. Yes, exactly, right? That's great. What are the way, I just, the phrasing of that is pretty amazing. Exactly right. Great, great. Great, great lines I feel.

Then of course, Christian Bell, Christopher Nolan, about my movies, great stuff. That wasn't the movie where he, they filmed him cracking it up there. No, that's Terminator Salvation. Right. Which is a really weird movie to have an on set meltdown at. Did he invent their voice?

The Batman voice. I believe he did, yes. Yeah, which is nice. You don't like that? I don't like that, no. Look, I like all those movies, but I don't love them. Right, I love the second one. Yeah, he's ledger does a fantastic performance.

And I do like Liam Neeson. Yeah, for the first one He's an Irish actor Who does he play he sort of plays his mentor kind of but then it turns into a bad guy Oh, yeah, of course His mentor and it turns out he's the villain ratio. I'll go. Yes, got it of course, sorry. On a redo card, who is his mentor, and then it turns out he's the villain, Rachel. Yes, got it. Yeah. Incredible name there.

But, Mesa, you're not a fan of Christian Bale. We can ask you who you think the best Batman is or has been and your favorite film franchise. A movie, maybe. My favorite Batman is actually not an on-screen Batman. And my favorite Batman is Kevin Conroy. He's the voice of Batman in the Batman animated series. Right.

That seems to be the most, is that the one across from Luke Skywalker? Is Joker? Yes, it is. Yes. So that's a, basically only heels of the first Batman movie. Warner Brothers were like, okay, here's a property. Cartoon Batman.

Does anyone want to make a Batman cartoon? And there was a guy called Bruce Tim who had just come off tiny tune adventures. Oh, great show. I could do Batman as well. And so he went home and he did a like a like a stylized Batman sketch on his own this time. Just him and he brought it in and they're like actually we really like this. And they him and another writer artist called Paul Dene and they go together and they built this based sort of on the on the Burton universe. This this sort of gothic art deco universe Batman character sort of this timeless version

and it and it sort of went bloody great guns. People remember that fondly because the the what they they weirdly they got enough freedom to be like this is a this is a show that adults can enjoy like it's kids should be able to watch it but also it's it's dark enough and it's an adult enough that I think it was on it was set a Saturday cartoons in yeah right. Oh yeah. So yeah, I said Luke Skywalker meant Mark Hamilton. He was a voice and he's often called the best joke. Yeah, so Kevin Con Kevin Conroy was a theater actor and he was told that okay if you want to make some extra money on the site you should be a voice over actor and just do ads and stuff like that and he got a call up from his agent who was like actually we're doing we need some dramatic actors. So why don't you try this out. This was his first voice over audition ever.

Wow. And he got Batman and he's been Batman for Wait, so Wait, no, 28 30 years nearly 30 years. Wow. Yeah. So and he's been Batman in the animated series and he's been in all the video games and all that sort of stuff and I'm not a camel originally the joke is gonna be Tim Curry and I'm not a camel. Originally the joke was gonna be Tim Curry. He reglined Tim Curry. Which one is that man?

Is he the guy that makes the musicals? Or is he? That's Tim Curry, Tim Rice. Oh, that's Tim Curry. Yeah. I'm thinking of, to Tim Curry is the star of Congo. The star of Congo.

The star of Congo. Exactly. He's Frankenforder in one of the Rocky Hurbs. Yes. And Macaill's Navy. The remake with Tom Arnold. He's the bad guy in that. Yes, that's great bad guy. One of the best. So he recorded three episodes and they were like, this is good, but it's not quite what we look at. Like they go, a lot of people came in and they just did their impression of the 1960s Joker. Right. And they were like, this doesn't work. And they went, well, Tim Curry's good.

We like him. He's good to work with, but he's not quite right. And then they brought in Mark Hamilton just do like a guest appearance. He was just going to be a, like a side character briefly. And then they were like, and he said, and he, because he loves that character. And he was like, and he loves Batman and comic books

and all that sort of stuff. And he said, okay, if you have anything else going, just let me know because I want to be like, I'd like to be more episodes because I think this is a great idea. And then Tim Curry, they were like, let's look for another Joker and they called him in Mike Hamlin. And he went in expecting to not get it because he was, you know, he was best known as Luke Skywalker and he's like, well, they're not gonna, they're obviously not gonna get, you know, this guy who mostly plays this paragon of virtue, this ultimate hero kind of thing. He obviously not going to get it. So he went in not caring whether he got it or not. Well, like, you know, with no illusions that he'd get it and they were like, actually,

you get this. Wow. And apparently, he got it on the laugh. Right. Because he had the best laugh. That's how I go into every audition like fuck this whatever I care and it hasn't really worked yet but I when it done you'll be laughing just like so eloof and cool. But also you mean you've been right every time which is nice. It's not even a way that you you're on a hot streak for calling it. I'm, I'm always like, I'm not gonna get this. I'm not gonna get this. And I don't care.

You say that into the camera and then you take... They're like, are you ready? And I'm like, what? I don't know, auditioned not too long ago for an ad. And before we started, I said to the guy, I'm like, I'm not very good. And he goes, why are you telling me that? I'm like, just trying to lower expectations.

Why does sell yourself? Yeah, I instantly regret it. I'm like, why did I come to this place? Have you thought about perfecting your laugh? I mean, that'll do it. I haven't. So apparently Mark Hamill said, because he read a thing that Frank Gorshin, the riddler, had once said,

and he said, it's not how I laugh, but it's what I'm laughing at. So you key the laugh to what you're laughing at. Like a funnyist home video when somebody gets hit in the nuts. Yeah, that's a different laugh. That's a different laugh, that's it. Like, yeah. Yeah.

So he keyed that and people and they were like, yep, you got it. And so he's also been like, he's been the Joker for nearly 30 years as well. Right. So that series is still running. No, it's been the Joker for nearly 30 years as well. So that series is still running? No, it's been different. So it was like a hundred and something episodes of the original and then there was like spin-offs and then there was a series called Batman Beyond

set in the future and he was the voice of the old. Oh, that's cool. Because at one point they were like, hey, the studio went to these guys and went, hey, the studio interference is always like, hey, you know, they, they, the studio went to these guys and went, hey, you know, had this year interference, it's always like, hey, what if, could you make a series with Batman's 18 Asia? And they were like, yes, we can absolutely do that. Batten. Batten. And they're like, well, that breaks the whole con you, but then they just went, okay, well, how about, how about original

Batman's retired? And then we're replacing with another Batman and old Batman can be his, his mentor. And so they created that series that's that's the real can do attitude Yeah, so that's your number one and that's your number one joke as well, right? I think so yeah, oh He's later is great. Yeah, that's my fun villainous performance of all time But that number one cat woman and half the way That's one. That's one. That's one. That's one.

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Yeah, I haven't just Fingert Boy. Well, this is where we introduce, just one more guy. He's a guy named Mike Taylor Novelman. He's a children's author for the most part, but he also wrote a book about Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster, the creators of Superman, and the sort of the trials and tribulations that they went through. And so he also learned about the story of Bill Finger, and he was like,

he grown up on superheroes, and Batman and his huge fan of that sort of stuff, and he was like, well, I think it would be good if Bill Finger could get some credit for the stuff that he put in. And this is after Bill's. This is why this is maybe this is the early 2000s. Oh, okay. And he was like, okay, well, the key here is to find out stuff about Bill, find some,

because he obviously couldn't just go to DC and be like, how am I guy who has no relation to this guy? I should, you should change some stuff. Of course, they're just go to DC and be like, how am I guy who has no relation to this guy? I should you should change some stuff. Of course, they're just going to show him the door. Obviously. So they're probably right back there financial details and let it fall. Exactly. Now that they're wise, they've wise up now. Don't want to give the kid a kiss. Yeah. But basically, so he was like, okay, I've got to find some some relatives, but he'd nobody really knew anything about Bill Fingert.

First thing he found out, not name actually not Bill, Milton Fingert, much cooler name of Bill. That is a sick name, Milton Fingert. But apparently he changed it because that's kind of a Jewish name and apparently, Milton. Yeah, so he changed it for anti-Semitic people. People would be a little prejudiced against him

back in the day. What a bummer. What a, yeah, it's a different time, but obviously, yeah, you couldn't have a cool name back then. Bill. Finger. Finger love it. Melton though. But it turned out, so Bill Finger, it was assumed he never had any serious relationships in

his life. Nobody, he never really talked about it. Nobody ever knew about it. It was assumed. People looked at serious relationships in his life. Nobody, he never really talked about it. Nobody ever knew about it. It was assumed. People looked at him and went, no chance. No, not this guy. No, this guy. Single.

So he had an urgent, so he got married to a woman named Porsche and they had a son and he's like, perfect. I'll talk to the son. But it turned out, his son Fred Fingert. Fred Fingert. No. Fredie go. Yeah, exactly.

But it turned out Fred was gay and he died in 1992. So he's like, well, that's that. Okay, that's, I can't do it. What's the gay thing related to him dying in 1992? Yes. It was, yes, related. We'll move forward. And then it was like, okay, well, I, I guess that's the end of the family trial.

Well, it was like when the see end of the family trial. But then he talked again to Charles Sinclair, his friend, the TV writer, and he was like, can you give me any information? And he was like, oh, actually, well, it turned out he didn't. He actually, after his, his, his, uh, Porsche, he divorced him and passed away. He had a lady friend, he had another lady friend and he looked up this person and he actually had more than a lady friend.

He had a second wife named Edith. Everyone's assuming this guy's a virgin. Yeah, I know, right? He's got wives everywhere. He's got wives everywhere. Like more than a friend I would argue. Yeah, a wife, yeah, for sure. I can like wives are on a different level.

Yeah. And she actually, upon the release of the 1989 Batman movie, she actually approached DC herself and said, I think it would be nice if Bill Fingert could have some credit on these movies. Um, but Eideth Fingert. Eideth Fingert. That's a beautiful. And what did they say to Eideth? They said no. And he was like, okay, well, that's, I guess that's it. I, you know, two, two, I went through two wives and I couldn't find anything. But then he went back again and he went, okay, well, we'll pour

her past her. I'll look at her obituary. I'll see maybe if there was some mourners who would know her or know anything about Bill. And he found two cousins on the obituary, survived by these cousins. And he called them up and he said, look, do you know anything about Bill Finger? And he was like, oh, Uncle Bill. Yeah, I mean, I know a little bit about Uncle Bill, but who you should talk to is his granddaughter. And he had a granddaughter. And Mark was like, well, obviously he didn't have a granddaughter because, you know, he had a son named Fred

and Fred was gay. So he couldn't have had a grant, but Fred had a daughter. Yeah, so you know, gay people kind of kids. Well, well, actually he wasn't gay, he was by. So that was him as a bisexual man. And he had a daughter named Athena. Athena Fingert. So many good names. Good names, right?

Adith Fingert, Athena Fingert. Freddie Fingert. You've seen a finger? Well, sure, and we all. I think a finger. So he had to do it and I have to think a finger. Who, there we go, it's good stuff. And who had grown up knowing a little bit about

who grandfather and had sort of known that he had had this handy-grading Batman, but it was this sort of thing where she would tell people, I hear my grandfather, he'll be a finger. My grandfather, grandfather, well he did, but my grandfather, and people like, obviously no, he didn't, you know, you're making this sort of stuff up. It was obviously Bob Can, because it always says Bob Can, blah, blah, blah. And so Mark went to Athena and chatted with her and said, look, this is kind of our last chance to maybe make a claim on this. If you want to get some recognition for your grandfather,

maybe now's the time to do it. And so together they contacted DC and they said, hey, can we get some recognition? And they said, oh, welcome to the family. Great to have you here. Here's a check. Anyway, good to see you. Hey, come to some DC.

Come to some movie parties. Come to a movie premiere. This is around about the time of the dark night. They're like, hey, cool. Anyway, see you later, kind of thing. And then a few years later, the dark night rises came out. And they were like, hey, just checking in. Just it's still great for you to be part of the family.

We've got some more money for you, but just letting, you know, you need to sign this and this will also give away all your rights to your father's recognition of creating the character. And so Mark encouraged her to not take that money and instead instigate a lawsuit against DC, which they did. But of course it was a case of like one word against, you know, Bill's word against Bob and who created what and what's the deal with, you know, the ownership here, how do

you prove ownership, you know, and Bob had said, well, he created some of this and I created some of this, so what can you do? You know, what's the figure? But so one thing that did work in their favor was that the guy, Thomas Andre, who worked with Bob Canon, his autobiography, in order to transcribe it, had taped all his interviews with Bob, and he kept the tapes. And in one of the tapes, he asked Bob just to be clear how much contribution in terms of like a percentage. Legally speaking. Legally speaking. contribution in terms of like a percentage. A percentage.

Legally speaking. Legally speaking. We were in call right now, but in a moment. How long? On the record. And he said, as far as Batman goes, Bill was in 50 to 75%. So that was kind of the smoking gun. Oh.

So they talked, they talked to Thomas and... 50 to 75%. And this is from a guy who's not doing much way. He that's 100% I don't know again just just is I guess once the tapes rolling you sort of forget where you are And he just wow put it out there so 2015 Batman versus Superman came out and in the cro in the opening credits that says Batman created by Bob Kane with Bill finger So at long last and And so now, henceforth, every Batman,

every piece of Batman media says that in it. So, it's the grand order getting paid cash for everything? I don't know. There were, there's settlement was reached, but it is a finger. It is a private settlement, so we have no idea. Maybe one day we'll find out about that. A thinger.

Fingert. With all. So good. Oh, I hope she's super wealthy. Wouldn't that be cool? You get called up and be like, oh, Grandpa. Oh, yeah. It makes me really reconsider my...

Your family? My negligence of those emails from that my dear and prince, yeah, right? Who's that he created Batman? Maybe I should get in touch. All I have to do is send in my bank details. Oh, one last thing, just before I forget. So again, it was long suggested that Bill Finger was,

he was buried in a potter's field with no relatives, obviously, because there was nobody at his, there was nobody at his autopsy, et cetera. And so people like I'd probably... To people usually turn out to their families or to... because there was nobody at his autopsy, et cetera. And so people like I'd probably to people usually turn up to their family's autopsy. Apparently they did, just to identify everybody, et cetera. All right, while you saw through their ribs,

I'll just patiently watch. But apparently, Fred Finger who lived in Oregon, he wasn't there on that day of the identifying the body because he was in another state. But the day after, and that's why he was named was not on the coroner's report, but he arrived the day later and he got Bill's remains, his cremated remains, and he took them back to Oregon. You're starting to get Batman voice. I know a little bit. I've done a lot of talking. Yeah. And as far as the story goes, he went out to a beach in Oregon

and he drew a little bat symbol in sand and he poured the remains in there and then it got washed out to sea. Oh, that's nice. It is nice, right? It's weirdly what I wanted to do with my ashes. For the best in fall. Yeah, if you guys don't mind. Of course.

Well, I, of course, I'll be there, because I will add, live you. You have to. Or, Matt, if you don't mind. Yeah, I'll do that for you for sure. Thank you very much, Matt. As the immortal, one of the show. Two can play that game. The immortal game.

I'll see you there in the year 2040. Oh, that's actually another far off. Oh my God. Please give me more time than that. Please let me make it to my 50th birthday. Okay, I will. Thank you. But just because you are so nasty,

that was so good, Mason. Oh, that was awesome. Thank you. I'm sure I missed out on a lot of stuff. You just riffing so much off the top of the top of you. Have you done notes there? You're also just like going into stories and naming names. Well, these notes are incomplete.

That's how that happened. Are there any, so we've got your favorite Batman, your favorite Joker, and your favorite show, it's all the cartoon. Yeah, the first season of that, all the first series is hard to go that's for sure. Oh, yeah, just Batman the animated series all up. Yeah, it's one of the best. That's so cool. May so, this might be the first time you've been on the show when we've done the segment, Fact Quotal Quest. It is actually yeah. It's everyone's favorite part of the show. Yeah I've heard. Where at the end of the episode we take someone from our Patreon and they give us a fact, a quote or a question. They also get to give themselves a title. This week, this guy could have been

from the his name so good it could have been from the Batman story. It's Maximilian Duke. Oh, very good. Oh, that is good. Well, there is a villain called Maxi Zeus, who is a, he's just a guy who thinks he's Zeus. So he thinks he's Zeus. He thinks he's Zeus, yeah. Okay.

He's not though. He's not the most popular villain. Batman is not gonna let him get away with that. No, I'm still, why would you? That just sounds like impersonating a great god is a crime and got them. Who's your favorite villain? Ooh, Max, you said Joe,

get your favorite villain on screen, but in the comics and that. It might be, or it could be Mr. Freeze. Really? It was a nothing villain initially, but speaking of the animated series, they gave him a tragic backstory in an Emmy award-winning episode of that series.

They were like, okay, let's take this nothing guy and let's give him some real gravitas. So maybe, yeah. Right, yeah, because it wasn't in the movie, it was, he was sad because it's something about his family or something. His wife was cryogenically frozen, and he wanted to find a way to cure the disease that was afflicting her. And then, and then the company worked for shut down his procedure.

And also, uh, Tend him into the 10 man. Tend him into the 10 man. Exactly. That's right. So he's committing crime so he can fight, get the money and the resources to cure her. Yeah, right. Anyway, so Maximilian Dukes,

that's that or Kite man. Kite man. See fly a kite? He's a kite. I don't know, are you joking? He's not really a kite, but he's like a, he's, he's, he's suits like a kite. Is it a kite a type of bird? Yes.

Well Dave's the one with the pole just for the pod. Yes. Yes I am. And you're not going to answer my question or? Yes, I am an. And do you not answer my question or? Yes, I am an author. I answered your question. Fact-quart question. Maximilian Juki's given himself the title, In-house Council for Bacon and Unicorn Affairs.

It's obviously a big role. Yeah, the internet is composed almost entirely. That is more than full time. We're actually looking to expand that to a two person role. So anyone getting contact, if you would like to help out Maximilian there. Any idea what that's in reference to? Bacon and unicorn.

Oh, yeah, sorry. Of course. That's shit. Problem of face all along. And here is the in-house council for bacon and unicorn affairs, Maximilian Jook, Jook's factor quote or question, which is actually a factor quote and question,

all wrapped up in white. How did he do it? He says, here you go. Did you know that bunny farts smell like carrots? That's a quote from Jacob, his eight year old son. That is so cute. That's good, yeah. It's a factor quote Jacob, his eight-year-old son. That is so cute. That's a fact to quote and a question all I want. I hope they have a pet bunny or it's weird. I hope both of those things. I mean, that seems factually inaccurate, doesn't it? Yeah, probably does

it. Yeah. If the bunny doesn't eat carrots. Yeah, it's a rule they eat. But you know, when you vomit, there's always carrot in it, huh? Good. Good. I don't eat carrots. Yeah, it's a rule they eat. But you know when you vomit, there's always carrot in it. Huh? Good, good. I don't eat that much carrot. I'm a lot of carrot because as I mentioned, love veggies. Carrots on my face. Me too.

See, at the night time as well. Love carrot. I'm like a bit like old batman guy. I say the night time, not time. Yeah, sick. Another part of the show, at the end of the show, that we do as a part of the show at the end of the show that we do as a part of the show at the end is another Patreon segment where we really had some patrons names. Dave, you normally talk about the Patreon and some, well, maybe explain it to Mesa as if he is a person. Mesa, you haven't

supported this show enough over the last few years. Oh, come on, I'm sure. No, that's not at all what I was hoping for you to do there. Mesa has been the biggest supporter of this show. Mesa, it's time for you to get out of town. Oh, wow. Jess has bought you a holiday. Oh, thank you, Jess. Yeah, just to say thanks. Oh, my God.

Yeah, go on a Fiji. You, of course, are now officially the fourth member of the group. And I think is this officially the eighth episode of the podcast? It's podcast. Well, no, not at all. You did it. You guys did a live show without me. So yeah, completely did that.

I'm so, so rude of that. Sorry. Sorry. But you were in the room. Oh, I'm the room. It's weird that you were there. We made you watch it. Coming out next week.

So you can imagine that Mesa was in that room with us. He was big time. Anyway, so Dave, the Patreon, how does it work? Basically, if you love the show and you want to keep us going, you can get a Patreon.com slash dogoonpod or click through it from our website dogoonpod.com and basically check a couple of bucks into an internet machine and in exchange,

we'll give you some rewards such as our shout outs like this kind of thing or two bones and all two bones of sepus over a month. But no one else except for the petrons here. So lots of stuff in there. We also have a you know a bit of a bit of chit chat, a bit of dialogue with our petrons. Which is a bit of fun. I refuse. Have you said, have you said that we've got a Facebook group on it? We have got a Facebook group going now, which is there's a lot of fun. a lot more of the chit chat going on in that group, which we are enjoying.

So if you want to get involved and support the show, that's what you do it. And we also like to thank a few people at the end of the episode. And we're going to do that right now. Just normally gives us a little game to play here. Maybe you could bring Mesa into the game. Hello.

I'm thinking we could give them either a superhero villain name name. Oh villain. Oh, make him a Batman villain. Batman Batman has a very impressive rogue's gallery. Oh, can you maybe would you do you have six in you to give us one for each of our patrons? Sure. Like real ones or invent let's invent them. Oh, invented. We can invent them. All right. Yeah, I think I was inspired by kite man. Yeah. Is kite man real? Yeah, he's real. I thought I was going to get you. No, he's real.

kite man's fake, right? Nice real. Wow. Yeah, really? I really thought I'd get him. I believe him now. I do too. All right.

I'll kick this off. I'd love to thank from the Great Britain. I did not mean at that time from a Sheffield in South Yuccea, which I think is not too far from where Mr. Markle can't hear from. And in that he's from Great Britain somewhere. Yeah exactly, yeah. His name's Maurice.

Hello, I'm Maurice Cain. Michael Whit. Michael White. Anyway, I googled that earlier. Who you think it? I just come to you, which was from Brussels. I mean, it came to me. This is such a great English name as well.

I'd love to thank Alexandra Rodgers, Brossington. Ooh, I like that. Oh, Brossington. And she would be the villain. We could do this. Yeah. We've done this before. The way you exiled there,

made me think maybe she could be the breeze. Oh, London fog. The London fog, that's cool. Yeah. The London fog, I like that. I like that. What is her motor-sopper and I? She strives a scooter.

That's a little scooter. She's very mod. You know, like those, those mod types. She's got a scarf and a scooter. Yeah, and she's literally a fog. And she's a fog also, yeah. That's so good. She has a fog horn on her moped.

What does that sound like Matt? Oh! Nice. Hello! I never thought I'd be in the room when the man of a thousand noises did a lot of his noise. Yeah, congratulations.

Thank you. So I feel like I should've given you more there. No, that was great. You give me what you give. Has anybody calculated how many noises you have left to do? No. I hope somebody can figure that out. Yeah, let's get on that. You're nerds. Yeah, come on, nerds.

You know the person that might be able to do that, if they've been, I'm agoncing there for two hours waiting for me to thank the person that has been adding up the questions and whose answer is that? The show's official scientist. That's right. I can say I've answered 32 questions correctly. I used to be in second now and Jess used to be last, but that has flipped. It was a fast one.

Matt has answered 37 questions correctly. Jess 38. Oh, on a hot streak. But winning the day is 44 times nobody got the correct answer. And that is saying, No, actually the fourth member is Mesa, so I guess that. 44 for Mesa. Yes.

And that is thanks to Bob, that's what he signs off as, or his email name is Belbinder Bartier. So thanks to Bob or Belbinder Bartier. Can we Bob Kane? Maybe Bob Kane can work out the thousand noises. That's his next project. I'm genuinely shocked by that. I don't think I ever get them right.

Well, I would argue you about 38 times you do. But I'm only one above you. Now I'm just, what was the picture? The picture of the video. Bob. Oh, so that wasn't a Patreon, that was a Belbinder Barter. Oh, congratulations. Special statistician of the show.

Bob. Oh, Bob. I'd love to thank another great Britain from... London fog. From Hertfordshire. London fog from hurt for cheer London fog to Adam Stanford Stanford is there a badger the badger. I don't think there is a badger. I made you think of that Yeah, it's one of my favorite English animals. Okay, the badger and apparently they are bloody vicious

all right, okay, I like it favorite English animals. Okay. The badger and apparently they are bloody vicious. All right. Okay, I like it. The, the, the, but yeah, the bloody badger. Well, I don't like the bloody badger. The bloody badger. The bloody badger. That sounds like a good pub too.

How does he get around? Just by his teeth. Yeah. So his headquarter is a pub. Yes, I think so. And what is it, so what does he do? He just gets around in a black cab.

Yeah. And his day job is the manager of the pub. But night, he's a bloody bad job. It's got a bad jacquave. And at night, he cleans up vomit from the pub. You're kidding. He's a public entity. And what does he do with that?

Do they use that to get Batman back? Yeah, basically. He feels a pull with it and he's trying to lure Batman into the pool of vomit. Wow, I don't think that's gonna work. That just not very good at this. No, but he's very good at balancing the balls. Oh, hey, can I thank some people? Yes, please.

Thank you so much. A little more locally now. I'd like to thank someone from Sydney. Oh, Sydney for Australia. In New South Wales, which is in Australia. I'd like to thank Lucas Reynolds. Ryan's cousin. What's he's the Deadpool and he's also a green goblet? Correct, yes. So maybe he could be the dead goblet. Death goblet. Death goblet. If you take a sip out of him, you die.

Oh, wow. Death goblet. Man, man, man, man. He's very rock and roll. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, good on you, Lucas. What do you think, man?

How does he get around? Probably on a tray. On a tray. Probably in a tray. Moved by a... Like a floating tray. Oh, he's got a weight of the... Caesarman, a giant. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Isn't he a goblet? He's a goblet. Moved by a wedding. I like a floating tray. Oh, he's got a waiter that carries a man, a giant.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's... Isn't he a goblet? He's a goblet. He's a goblet. Okay, right. He's a goblet. He's a goblet. He's a goblet king.

I do. He's a goblet. The man's a goblet. Thank you, the Lucas. I didn't leave you much to do there, but the tray was a beautiful little bit of color. Can I also think from Brisbane in Queensland, in Australia, Queensland in Australia? Where's Australia on the earth?

I'm not the geography one, so I can't confirm nor deny that. I'd like to thank Ryan Jinnivan, the Jinn slinger. Also a bartender. Is he Annie Zine kuhuts oh With the bloody bag jar Then right there rivals. Oh, that's something I don't understand other the bad guys don't they're not necessarily in a team No very rarely and it do any of them hate each other all of them really so they hate fighting each other too Batman's just trying to stop everyone fighting.

I assume they were all over. Oh, don't give me started on the war of jokes and riddles. Oh, wow. Where is that on paper? That's a horror story. Wow, that sounds sick. Is that basically Tommy Leaver's? Yes, exactly right.

I will not stand. No, it was better than that damn it I got a I really should I want to be able to lock down that phrase and use it one day on someone unsuspecting Who used it on me? I can feel it. Can you give it to me all my time? Oh, I can't sanction your buffoonery. I can't sanction your buffoonery So good. What a team say to that. What are these? He just did a car wheel. Yeah James over that, what are these eyes? He just did a part wheel. Oh, a reddlebee this, Tommy.

Shouting spot. Also, Tommy Lee Jones doesn't strike me as the type of guy who wants to go by Tommy. Mm. You know, it's interesting. Do you like Thomas? Yeah, do you think there was another Thomas Lee Jones already in the treading the boards?

I don't think that. David, do you like the things that people? Let me bring us home with a couple of beautiful names here. This is another lot. They better be beautiful. You're so good. Even more local. Well, this is a beautiful name from Fitzroy right here in Victoria. I'd like to thank Jade Bland. Oh, that is so good. Jade Bland. I love it. Not too showy. Love that. Yeah. Thank you so much, Joe. I'm a high. Oh.

May I say you got a name? I think Jess just said, Oh, humble pie. Oh, humble pie. That sounds like a genuine Batman villain arc. The humble pie. The humble pie. Then what do they get at your random?

Bike. Oh, yeah, that is humble. Yeah, that's a little basket in the front. They keep the pies. And they throw at you and they're very hot. Oh, this is hot, humble, the little basket in the front, the way they keep the pies. Does they throw at you and they're very hot? Oh, this is hot humble pies. Hot humble pies. It's sort of, but not poisonous or anything, just.

Just hot. Like steaming. Just really hot, burn your face a bit. Wow. But not like third degree, but like enough that you'd be like, oh, uh. First degree.

Should we give this last one to Maso Dave? Oh, I'm ready. Okay. Where's this last one? I thought you're gonna snap your laptop there. Oh, this is. Should we give this last one to Maso Dave? Oh, I'm ready. Okay. Where's this last one? I thought you were going to snap your laptop there. Oh, this is it. He's from Greensboro, but not the one in the Northam South Boob's of Melbourne that I haven't been to many time.

But the one in Greensboro, North Carolina, Dean Clark. Oh, Dean. Hey, Dean Clark. Kent. Yeah. What? Dean Cain Clark Kent. Yeah. What the hell? Dean Cain Clark Kent. Oh my goodness.

Ripley's believe it or not, host to Dean Cain Clark Kent. I believe it. I love how he'd always end that show with believe it. No, but he didn't say the or not bit. I should've, he should've finished with believe it or not. Lucky that every time Dean came. Hey, there's a factor I know about. He's home, said in North Carolina.

If we do have time for it. I'm always up for a factor. I love it. Love facts. So, love to learn. Do you guys know basketball? I know of it. I'm also know of it. Yeah, so there's this goat who plays basketball

called Michael J. Jordan. And he... What's the Jostan for Justice and Can you imagine yeah anyway, so he Fast as he's ever improvised Very we set this up hours ago he

Is a very very very who was the greatest go to full-time at basketball game and he used to go to study school in North Carolina. He used to go to study school. Yeah, big time. He was a very studious student. Yeah, he was. He studied hard and he... He studied hard. ...party hard on the basketball court. And when he partied, he partied dunks, basketball dunks. and then he, um, So you're dunks? No, are you okay?

Anyway, like, long story short, he would not take off his pants. Despite moving in a state to Chicago, He was an ever-nude. The windy city was an ever-nude. He wore his blue denim cut-offs underneath his Chicago Bulls shirt and pants. Even under the shirt. Yes. Well, so they're high-right wasted. High-right wasted, yeah. Well, overall, still a full. It was shitties and the rest was in. They're back now, sure, but they were still there then. And he went on to play more games in denim than anyone ever did again.

That's a great plot, the great fact. Again, yeah. That's a little riddle that I like to call fun fact, Jess. Now let me just say that Dean Clark can. What are you doing in the honors? Yes, Dean Clark can is still sitting there thinking what's in here in the name. We're gonna give him.

The double denim. Ooh. Double denim, all right. You're gonna have to flesh that out a bit, Mesa. The double D. Oh, no, don't. I mean, you did it. That was the opposite of fleshing it out.

That was the double The dub Stop he's fading away Thane stay with us Thane So many options there, right each better than the last so double denim has denim everything He's gun denim denim gun yet nice. Yeah double denim has denim everything. He's gone. Danum, Danum gone. Yeah. Nice car. He has two denim guns. Danum, two. Danum. He's like two faces son. Yes.

But he didn't, he doesn't, he doesn't have the scars, but he wants to impress his dad. Yeah. So double. So he, and then he sort of, and he opened up, but he was like, hmm, criminals are superstitious. Cowardly law, and he opened up a GQ magazine. And they're like, double, Danum's back. And it's like, mm, criminals are superstitious, he's cowardly lot, and he opened up a GQ magazine, and they're like, double denim's back, and it's like, oh, double denim. That seems like a sign. A superstitious sign. That's right.

So he's double denim now. That's a great origin story. I love an origin story that is opening up a magazine. Yeah, right. And you're like, yes. Yes. Oh, a vector. It was a yes.

Oh, wow, magazine. Oh, it was a wow, magazine. That's a nice magazine. That's so good. Well, I think that just about brings us to the end of this podcast. Maybe the greatest ever. I think this is our go. Maceau. I'm never taking these shorts off again. It's so nice for you to come in here and spend so much time on the report. We are super lucky to have you in. The few people who do not know your fine work on the internet as the internet celebrity, where can they find you? They can find me at the podcast, The Weekly Planet, where we talk about mostly Batman,

if I'm honest with you, just endlessly. They will also. And they'll recognize you from the start and the end of our podcast. That's right, yes. And also the whole... The part that I skip, yes. The planet broadcasting is named after you. You are.

I'm a planet, yes. You are planet. Is that a star? Yeah. The planet called broadcasting. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, go to planetbroadcasting.com.

Wikipedia Brown. Wikipedia says that the start of the episode. Your Instagram. A lot of podcasts from our great mates. Thank you, Jess. Oh, again, I skip it. I skip it. Me too.

I think you're just, it is yuck. You're Wikipedia brand Twitter's great, but you're Instagram, that's where the action is at. I'm doing Instagram posts right now. Oh, that's so good. So if you want to see this next week, or see last week now in the present when you're listening to this,

you can look up at Nick. My so and I see KMASEAU. Bloody bit of a steak. I have to spell it out every time. No regret. No regrets. Summer one regret. Okay.

Are you gonna have one? You're gonna have one. You're gonna have one. You're gonna have one. I live in No Recording. It's killing that guy. Anyway, see you next time. Why does?

So I, uh, something I, something I've been told recently, some of the podcasts I'm meant to do is say, please give us five stars on iTunes, I'd really appreciate that. May, so you've got a real great spill at the end of your podcast, where you just nail everything. I should listen to that and change the words.

I miss it every time, I always feel. There's some, we've got so many things at the end, we've got to thank so many people and plug so many things. I always forget one thing, at least one thing. Well, I forget most things. Dave, have I forgotten anything? Oh, if you... Pants!

Oh my God. Don't worry, I'm wearing two. Pants, that helped me. I think I take one off. Basically, there's two pieces of fabric between my genitals and nails, and I'm happy about it. So perhaps on almost Seinfeld reference.

Okay, well, my jockey boys. Now, if you- My boys need a home, Larry. What are you getting contact? With us, go to dogoonpod.com, follow the links to our Facebook Instagram, Twitter, YouTube channel, that's all slash or at dogoonpod. Get on that and do go on pod.gmail.com if you want to get in contact. The other thing you can do at the website is of course suggest a topic always open. That is a 24 hour hotline baby.

That's do go on pod.com slash submit dash a dash topic. Probably slash. I write that out on Twitter a lot. Nice great good stuff. And yeah, of course, Matt and I are other pods are out now. Primates, what's happening this week on the Primates pod? Primates this week will be featuring DJs, Levons, and we're talking about the band Gorillas. Oh, heckles that. Yeah, he's a fun. I'm interested in hearing that. I found their music and bookcheats. My new podcast is up and about and the episode that I just released this week features Jess Perkins over there. Oh, now I'm interested. I zoned out of this conversation because it wasn't about me.

And also you're on with Naomi Higgins from the Batch Bitch podcast. So good, great show. And we talked, I told you all about, we cheated the book, The Great Gatsby. And I've already forgotten it, so I look forward to listening to that. So yeah, getting contact. I should also say, Dave, that the episode of Promise it just came out features you, Mr. DW. And we talked about the Marvel Comics Marvel Apes,

which is a sweet series of parallel universe comic capers. In a world where all the superheroes are primates. Matt. Dream University. May I please also point out that Dave is wearing a t-shirt with bananas on it? He is. It is making me horny. Matt, I-

It's mid-sentence, not sure if I was going to complete it, but I bloody did. And I regret it. No doubt about that. I even regret not saying it more, I think. Yeah, that's true. It's the times you don't say your horny, you miss 100% of the shots you don't say your horny. Matt, let me just say, I cannot sanction your professional.

I'm fresh, that's a beautiful way to finish this show. Thanks again, guys. We'll be back with another episode next week, but until then, I will say thank you, and I will say goodbye. Ladies. My, my, my, so. What a catchphrase. Right, all right.

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