Two In The Think Tank - 16 - Curse of the Pharaohs

Episode Date: February 9, 2016

WARNING: This episode can and probably will curse you! This week Dave talk's about the curse of Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun. Since Howard Carter ended King Tut's 3000 year slumber in the 1920s, many people associated with the tomb's discovery have died under very suspicious circumstances. Shootings, poisonings, smotherings and mosquito bites gone bad... Tut is pissed and he's going to make the world pay. Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] the show and get rewards like bonus episodes:www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. See you! Hello and welcome to do go on a podcast with myself Dave Wanuki and I'm joined as always by two people that I will introduce at the exact same time or one first and the other but it is Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Hello, it's me, it's both of us at the same time. Hello Was me Bo Whisker there you were exactly we went to head to go to the tape and Matt was just in front of Jess How are both of you but answer one at a time please? I'm pretty good Yes, oh my god. It's gonna be one of those bad improv games. We have to say the same words at the same time Is that a bad improv game? Yes, it's going to be one of those bad improv games. We have to say the same words at the same time. Was that a bad improv game?

Yes it is. I need a word, Dave. PODCAST. Podcast. Podcast. OK. And podcast. Podcast.

Podcast. Is that how the game works? You give them one word and you both say it at the same time. Yeah, that's how it works. Give us another word. How about good podcasts where people don't talk at the same time? Good podcasts where people don't talk at the same time. Good podcasts where people don't talk at the same time.

Thank you for inviting me, the Impro teacher, if you will, felt like a teacher role there, to be part of the show. Make your always the teacher all on the show. Thank you. No, that's not good. They're not fun. I want to be fun. I'm cool. You're not fun. I'm sorry. You can't force it. Don't try and be fun. That's not how fun works. You wouldn't know that because you're not any fun. Yeah. As soon as people ask, what is fun? You know that you're not going to be out of

experience. But don't the funnest people not even realize that they're fun? No. Now we know. Oh, well I'm here and I'm gonna tell you what this show is guys. It's not gonna be much fun because it's my turn to do a report on a topic of my choosing. Oh, it's probably tax. It's all about a count. You hate a count.

I fucking hate tax. Well, don't worry, it's not about tax. Right. Then I'm back on board. You're back in. Matt, how about you? If I don't talk about tax, what kind of win you over? Ah, yeah. Or tax. I'd love to learn about tax. Yeah, actually, you know, I actually hate it because I don't understand.

But you're a really helpful episode, wouldn't it? If I could explain how tax works. And while education is obviously a part of the show, I don't want it to be all of the show. And I don't feel like I could make tax fun. Not even you could make tax fun. And I was the funniest of the three of us. Well, yes. That's true.

I think that's true. No, no. I think we all agree that you're the funniest. You're the funniest. Even yourself, which makes you... The funny, but very arrogant I'll put that on a poster What about me? So I'm not fun, but I'm also

What about me? Dave, that sums you up I'm not sure, get on with the fucking show Well, what about me and my topic which I'm going to introduce by asking you a question to jump straight into it we always start with a question. And this week's question, no right or wrong answers as the important to answer. Well, there's going to be a right answer though isn't it, because there's an answer. Well there's an answer but you'll know the answer and I can't decide either way. The question is, do you believe in curses?

No. Curses. Curses. No. No. Curses. Curses. Alright. Curses. No, not really. So you don't live in curses. What about, I did for a little while believe in the Kenneth Curse where Hawthorne lost to Jolong like 12 times in a row after Kenneth said that they'd never lose to them again. Oh. See, there was, I wanted to start by, I'm going to talk about a curse here today. That is the topic. But there's a lot of sports-based curses. Yeah.

The curse of the big band, Beni. Benbino. Beni. Beni is just a baby, I think. The Benbino when he was a baby. Oh, I'm going to, all right, I've got a little bit on a famous superstitious sports is baseball. And one of the most famous curses, as you have said, is the curse of the the BamBino, which was a superstition evolving from the failure of the Boston Red

Sox baseball team to win the baseball world series in an 86-year period. So they were really good and then from 1918 to 2004 could not win it and the Curse happened apparently after they sold Babe Ruth, who's nicknamed the Great BamBino, to the Yankees who went from being a very average team to being one of the most successful in the North American professional sports scene. And Babe Ruth was left-handed. Do you ever get the kind of facts that I'm interested in, Dave?

Do you have a catalog of all the most famous left hand people? I have a book called The History of Left Handlers. Left-handed history of the world is what it's called. Who else is left-handed? Um, lots of presidents. Um, of America. America, yeah. Um, pretty sure Clinton, Obama is.

Maybe Clinton, yeah. Um, who else? Paul McCartney, I him up Queen Victoria Babe Ruth Jimmy Hendrix. Jimmy Hendrix. There's lots. There's lots. Like 10% of the population. There's a lot of people. There's a lot of us. Well there you go. All right, Cheving. Molly Duke is. That's what yeah Sinister, I think that means left South Paul South. Southport, that's what Southport means. It was a Tomahawk song. Oh, there you go. Never knew what it meant. It means it was like a lefty. Righty-o, gotcha.

You go to a Southport that's a left-handed boxer. Yeah. You're a Southport, that's your style. Another curse is a curse of Superman, if you heard of this one. Curse of Superman. Yeah, it's after Superman. Superman is a real. Oh, that's a good point. No, it's affecting people that adapt Superman into TV and film. Oh. There's a bit of curse, so a couple of them.

The two most famous are George Reeves, who starred in Adventures of Superman on TV in the 50s. He died of a gunshot wound at age 45 under very disputed circumstances, possibly suicide murder, maybe just an accident. And then, there's Christopher Reeve, no relation, but he also played Superman in four films in the 70s and 80s and famously paralyzed in a 1995 horse back riding accident

and then died nine years later. And then there's other people that are connected with Superman, these things have gone. And I could do whole episodes about the Great Bambino, and the adventures of Superman, but the curse that I really want to talk about with you today, it's been around for a lot longer. Can I guess it?

I'm just going to tell you, it's in fact probably the oldest curse in history. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha That's best. Can I guess? Nah. No, you're sure. Is it the curse of Norm Smith? He got fired from the Demons. And Matt brings it back to AFL, please. Oh, yeah. So we got Norm Smith? Norm Smith was one of the most successful coaches in the VFL history. I think it was called maybe Super Coach, was that him?

Anyway, he, I don't know if that's right actually, but he got fired and Melbourne had one like a dozen premierships and he got fired and I haven't won one since. They re-hide him but apparently that wasn't enough to break the curse. Do they re-hide him because people, the baseball ones especially, they do like ceremonies and things to try and appease the curse. Yeah. What? Like superstition sort of ceremony. There's one called the curse of the Billy goat, where a man kept taking his goat to

the baseball game. Sure. And then one day the goat was really smelly, so they asked him to leave. And then he said, you'll never win again. And they couldn't win. So then he died and they would get his relatives to walk goats across the field and things like that because they're very very superstitious people. Wow. Like can I have another guess? So it's older than Norm Smith or Taylor? Tutan Carmen. It is the famous curse of the

Pharaohs. Yes, the Pharaohs. It's a heavy metal song by, um, by who? It's a song by a merciful fate. Merciful fate? Yeah. I didn't, I don't think I'd ever heard of it called the Curse of the Ferros. So that's all of the Ferros. So there's a, the Curse of the Ferros

is sort of an overarching name for many possible curses from dead Ferros and the Curse of Tunden Karmun. Or Tunden Karmun, as people keep saying in documentaries I watched, is the... You do a lot of research. I've spent a lot of time on this because growing up my dad is very big into Egypt. So I've had this... If you asked me when I was eight, what I wanted to be, I would have told you an archaeologist.

Oh, cute. And I've said it before, but when I imagine you guys as kids, I just imagine tiny cartoon versions of what you look like now. Muppet babies. Yeah, kind of, yeah. I didn't look very much different. I'm not going to lie. Sure. Has your dad ever been to Egypt? Yes, so about five or six years ago, Hillman, my mum went just before the sort of Arab Spring in Egypt's pretty dodgy place now. But they went there and had the best time ever and I witnessed that by watching 3 and a half thousand travel photos one night. Oh my god. So I know a little bit about Egypt and I've been interested in this topic so I want to talk about the curse of King Tut as people locally know him. So you guys know King Tut.

Sit on your tut. You gotta hit the tuit. Do you guys know much about King Tuit? I love that. How much of the stuff in the mummy and the mummy returns was true? The mummy has never returned. The mummy has never come back to life. I went to an exhibition.

I'm pretty sure a Tuiton Common exhibition. You just wanted to hear him open. A couple of years ago. I went to an exhibition. I'm pretty sure a Tudon Common exhibition. Give us one here in Melbourne, did you go to that? A couple of years ago, I went to that. Don't remember a lot. So I'm sure it's going to come back, but right now, can't think of any facts, but that's okay. Do you know what, do you know he was left-handed? What? Not true, I don't know.

I don't know. But he did play for the Melbourne demons. And he was in Tism, so. Long term with Tism. Possibly. That's possible. Do we have a child? Well, he was once a child. That is correct.

He knew it. No, very good. No, that's very good. So he was born in 1341 BC. And he died about 18 years old in 1323 BC. And he spent nine years on the throne, so that makes him, he became the king when he was only nine or ten, so he was just a child king. And it's such a long time ago that not that much is known about his life in comparison to many other, other

fairies, it was not that much record of him, but just to put into perspective when he was alive, he was, that's 3,300 years ago. So the great pyramids, Egypt's the pyramids of Giza were already 1300 years old, so they're really, really old. But he died more than 1300 years before Jesus Christ was born. Oh, is that, do you think they're connected somehow? Some sort of curse. Oh, about King Tath, his father was the Pharaoh.

That's how he became Pharaoh. And his mother and father were brother and sister. Oh! And then King Tut married his half sister, Anuxenomun, who had a different mother, Nefertiti. And both of these names are used in the Brendan Fraser films, The Mummy. And the characters are very loosely based on them, so there you go.

There's a little bit there, Matt. Wow. A Tutt and his wife, who was... His sister wife. His sister wife, well they had... His son, his twin. Um... Mufferated didn't work out that so well for them, they had two daughters, both of them

still born. Ah, because he was so young when he became king, it's assumed that he had political advisers do a lot of work for him. No, I reckon a nine year old knows what they're doing. No, I want to change everything. You're good policies. Chocolate milk all the time. it's assumed that he had political advisors to a lot of work for him i reckon i know i know that i was a little bit no i want to change everything good policies chocolate milk all the time famous for the chocolate milk just want to watch rugrats

i don't know are you too old for rugrats at nine i don't know well you're probably three thousand years too early for rugrats probably too early for chocolate milk too uh... well i say you didn't do much but the country was quite weak economically following his father's reign, who didn't do that well. But King Tut before he was 18, he did change a few things, like the location of the capital city. He changed the god they worship, and he built a few shrines, so he did a couple, he did quite a bit. He changed the god they worship, but he didn't do much. Yes, so his dad was like, no, it's all about this god, and then he became king and he was like, no, it's all about this God.

Okay, I want your Egyptian peasant. You just got to say two thumbs up. You got it, King. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. I've got it, King. I've was fully dedicated to this God yesterday. But, this child says so.

I now believe in a different cat. Yeah. They've got a priest. Spike the dog from Rugrats. They're all praising. They be praising. They be praising Spike. Praise be to Spike. His body has been examined.

This is King Tut. And it's thought that he walked with a cane because of deformations or deformities in his left foot. Left foot? Left foot? Left footities in his left foot. Left foot? Left foot. So, yes, left foot was a bad one, I'm afraid. Yeah, no it always is.

He also had a slightly cleft pellet, possibly a mild case of scoliosis, which is when you have a spine, his curve slightly. So he didn't get around very well, because it sounds hot. And I've seen, if you go on the internet, you can Google they've done like images of like they've recreated what he would look like and he looks like he's in pain. He looks hard yeah. He's also wearing some sort of big sort of nappy

shroud. I don't know why they decided to be that. Real sexy. Real sexy life. I've got a bit of a crush on TUT. Does it make you do you get hot for TUT when um hot for hashtag hot for TUT.? Hot for, hashtag hot for tart. Tweet please tweet that, it's so good. Oh he's so good. In DNA test of his mummy, scientists found DNA from mosquito-borne parasites that cause malaria. Hmm. It's currently the oldest known genetic proof of malaria.

Oh mama. See, he's a trendsetter. He was just a second of disease. He was not doing so well. He's a sack of disease. These factors combined with the fractures and his left thigh bone which scientists discovered in 2005 may have ultimately killed the king when he was very young. So he was struggling health wise. But his parents were brother and sister. Is that right? That's right. And then he's... When did people figure out that that isn't the way

to do it? Wait, he's parents were brother and sister. Yes. And then he also married his half sister. Half sister, yes, you're right. A different mother, that's right. And his wife, she did quite well. She remarried her powerful political advisor after King Tucker out there, who became Pharaoh for four years. But then he was usurped, he was taken off by a guy who decided to erase all the memory of King Tunt and his family.

So he deleted... Like in Men in Black and he just erased everything. Exactly, he just used that little advice device. I'm a king. No one remembered him. Wow. But our Tunt was a hero who was buried before he was forgotten and in turn did the famous Valley of the Kings? You guys heard of the Valley of the Kings?

Yes. So we're Pharaohs and other rich people, they were buried for nearly 500 years, but his memory was all but forgotten, and in terms of famous Pharaohs for a long time he was nowhere near the top. So these days you probably say, think of a Pharaoh, King Tut probably comes to mind straight away. But to draw a political analogy here for you Matt, it's kind of like a former Australian Prime Minister today that barely anyone's heard of like Sir Earl Page It was PM for 19 days in the 60s in 3000 years He's the one that everyone talks about but no one's heard. He did change our God remember

Mm-hmm. Well, I remember 19 days in the 60s. Yeah, remember that time we all worshiped that cat. Yeah I remember in the 60s if you were there there, if you say you're in the 60s worshipping a cat, you weren't really there. I've a King Tut lay there for over 3,000 years, pretty much lazy prick disturbed. What a nap. His tomb was small for a king, probably because he died so young. How do you say he died at 18 on 19? 18 on 19. So I mean that is probably fully grown, right? What kind of growth spirit is that you're having? No, I'm still hoping for a little growth,

but I'd like to be a tiny bit taller. A little bit? Yeah. You're hoping to get maybe two more centimeters out? Yeah, just something. Well, I can just have some sort of... When was the last growth spirit you had, Jess? I don't remember when I stopped growing, maybe like 17.

So there's an eight-year gap. Yeah, but there's still hope. Jess, look at me. I can't. Jess, look at me. Please. Oh no. Jess, it's not going to happen, mate. Jess, I believe in you. Thanks, Dave. How are you going to be the tallest girl in the podcast? Hey, thank you. I don't promise I think you can't deliver. It's so sorry. Thanks. Hey, but you know why you're my favorite. I you can't deliver. I'm so sorry. Thanks. Hey, but you know what? I don't think you're going to die young like King Tut, because they were caught off guard when he died.

So they had to put him in someone else's tomb. They went ready for him. So that's why he's in this really small tomb. And early on, tomb robbers managed to break in and do some thieving, but there were signs that they got caught, probably killed, let's be honest. And they didn't get away with a whole lot. So they just, they quickly tied it up the tomb

and filled the hole. And then about 100 years later, the rock and dirt from digging another tomb was just tossed over where King Tutts was and the location was lost forever. So when the era of massive tomb robberies began, a few dynasties of Ferre is later. No one broke into his tomb, they just let it, because no one knew it was there.

It was great. Oh wow. Yeah, what a time. Magical time. Again, if you remember 21st dynasties that we were talking about, if you remember the tomb robbing, you weren't really there.

Now there'd been a few stories of curses pertaining to Egyptian mummies and tombs and the like floating around for a few hundred years, but this discovery of King Tut took this idea of a Ferro's curse to a whole new level and at the same time it launched a whole new era of Egyptology and archaeology. Egyptology. I know.

It's like musicology. Cuts to the 19th century, an English aristocrat named Lord Canavan, who was born in 1866, can only be described as exceedingly wealthy. His family home was hikily a castle, which you may know as the real-life location of the building known to viewers of Downton Abbey. Oh my God! I don't watch Downton Abbey, but when you said might be known I thought Downton Abbey. Downton Abbey? So it's big, you know that building? It's really nice and well-dead. Yeah, so he was

rich enough to own that and live there. And he owned and raised horses. Was Maggie Smith there then? Oh, yeah, she was, was she a butler? Never watched there. But I do enjoy the castle and the theme song. Good violin work. Okay. Yeah, I'm unfamiliar but.

Just imagine a really sweet like 18th century castle house. Oh, I like it. I like it a lot. Now I'm at some violin And now now Google Maggie Smith's face. No need to Google that. It's always there. It's burnt in Maggie Smith. Don't know. I should know. Maybe after the show at genuinely Google All right, all right So this guy Lord can have and he owned and raised horses He's also recklessly raised cars, which I mentioned,

because he had a terrible accident whilst driving erratically. Oh no, did he play Superman? Oh no. He was not as super lord. He was ordered by his doctors to get out of England, out of the cold and go to Egypt to recover in the dry heat. You know that thing that your doctor says?

Go to Egypt to the winter? That's how rich this guy was. So he was keen to do that because he was an amateur Egyptologist and he'd already sponsored other digs when he was given permission in 1914 to dig in the famous Valley of the Kings. Can you just quickly explain Egyptology to people who wouldn't have heard of that term? It's kind of just like archaeology, but specifically Egyptian antiquities. Right. That's cool.

It feels like you hear those things a lot, and they just feel like bullshit things. Just like anything with ology in the end. Oh, they're so many. Study of jazz. Gisology? Yeah, just ology. Percology. Percology. That sounds like one, justology. Percology. Percology.

That sounds like one, though, doesn't it? Percology. Yes, it does. And I reckon, I reckon there's people out there right now studying away. Well, we heard on the McDonald's episode about, I still can't get over hamburger university. Yeah, it's pretty good.

I still think that that's lie. Is it? I don't know. But this guy, he's an amateur Egyptologist, which means he's just got a lot of money and he sort of sponsors digs and says, yeah, I'll collect the winnings that pretty much. Then an archaeologist named Howard Carter, very important to the story, you know, Howie, Howard Carter. Howard Carter. He'd been employed as an assistant on Canavans earlier Egyptian sponsored digs, and he was employed by Canavans on this new dig

that he got to go at the value of the kings. Howard Carter in 1914 when he was hired by Kenavan, he was 40 years old at this time, he was already very experienced as an archaeologist and he been a dig supervisor and had risen to become the chief inspector of antiquities for the Egyptian government. There's a wonky title for you Matt. Not bad. Not bad. Not bad. But a combination of a fractious personality

and commitment to actually do his job ended up in how it getting sacked from his government post. What happened was quite controversial. Some French tourists got rowdy at one of the Department of Antiquities' science. Not surprised. Not surprised at all. But they were pretty high up Frenchies and He told them to get the hell out because that's his job

Then they complained to Howard's boss who told how to apologize and he refused How do you reckon he told them to? To get out that are gonna be what I said doing impression with your famous one English impression is English He's English English accent. You've been in English accents. Oh, okay, there. Chaps, this is just not on. Get out, too sweet. Okay.

I will not apologize. And that kind of language got in fire to get out too sweet. I was really not good. Seriously, fuck off. That's what I was fishing for. I wanted whatever. You're setting him up too. I wanted a classic match to it. Fuck off. Excuse me there, was fishing for. I wanted one of them. You're setting him up to it. I wanted a classic match to it. Fuck off. Excuse me there, boy, oh, I'm... I've had it up to here, okay? Now, a PO. No seriously now.

Fuck off. I've got a catch phrase. I love it. I definitely enjoyed that. But he got fired because of that fuck off. He got fired. And he got replaced by another archaeologist, Arthur Weigel. And Arthur, in 1912, he found a tomb that he claimed was King Tuts' tomb. He was like, yeah, this is totally it. Climbers. Yeah, the climb makes me feel like it's probably. It's not true.

That's right. Wow. By this time, well, by the time Sirius digging began in Egypt in the late 18th, early 19th century, what remained of the tombs that were finding were mostly long-dark corridors extending into the ground. And they had belly any treasure left in. There was mainly like collapsed corridors

and they would just go in there and get the rubble out. That was pretty much what archaeologists were doing for a long time. Not much treasurer remained at all at this time, and no fairer had ever been found in their tomb under-sturbed, just as priests had left them when they died. So that was completely unheard of.

That all been found with like, um... You know when your friend passes out at a party and you draw like your own schoolmate? Yeah, it was tasted everywhere. You're wearing a party hat. Yeah. Hand in a bottle of warm water. Piss all over the mummy.

That's a mess apparently. The hand in the water. Yeah, mummy's won't piss. Mummy's won't piss once they're dead, they don't do it. That's what he is. No, I don't believe it. I reckon it's true. Oh, you know.

Now, our rich man, Kenarvan, he's got the rights to dig in the valley of the king from a wealthy American lawyer called Theodore, who'd been digging there for years, and he's had a lot of great success finding stuff, but he thought that everything was already discovered. He was like, I found it all before. Is that Sydney? Yeah, Sydney's back.

That's Sydney's great grandfather. Theodore Schoenberg. He was like, there's no point searching here, boys, I've found it all and I'm going back to Keeslerane. That's a weird call back to the future episode. That's right, if you haven't heard that, then go listen to it. Fuck off. I could only have had. I mean, when you're patting me on the head, as you said, that really hampered home the

point, I think. Oh, it's just a good way of saying, you're all right, Matt. You're all right, by me. But Ken Arvin and Carter, they were told, hey, there's nothing here, but you can have my dig site. That's cool. So you had to get permission, and there was only a certain amount of people that were allowed to dig their per year, so they got permission.

But they were certain there was at least one tomb remaining and discovered, and they were searching for the real tomb of King Tut. Carter had been told that the guy I mentioned earlier, Arthur Wigel, who'd claimed he'd found it, actually hadn't. But what he'd found was remains from the funeral banquet. Oh, just a bit of leftovers. A bit of leftovers, so he found a bit of turkey. Yeah, he felt like a couple of pays. Fake potatoes.

Half a bottle of champagne. Champagne. A minimum of chips, fake potatoes, half a bottle of champagne. A minimum chips. Inside the paper. You never, well, someone who has some other business recently, you just never get to finish, does it? Minimum chips. No. Chips.

Because I was out with some people and they bought two big bags of chips. And they're like, we're worried that we wouldn't have enough. But I don't know, no matter how many chips you have there's always left over chips How about this theory if you get say it's four dollars for a minimum chips Yeah, but you just ring up and ask for eight dollars of chips. Do they give you two minimum chips? I don't think they do I think they get one minimum chip and add a bit more So I think you're best to ask for two minimum chips That's my okay. Ah, okay.

Is there still a minimum chips if you get two of them? Oh, wow. That's like it. That's one of those questions that, you know, tree fall in the woods. So it's still. Yeah. So tree fall in the woods. Did the bear eat the chips? Bears don't eat chips. Think about it guys. Tree question. I got a fall for that again. Go ahead and take the Cality. For these dudes and the desert there, so they found this funeral banquet, so they knew where to start looking so they were like if the banquet

was here the tombs probably close by because you have the banquet near the tomb so they had a place to start digging which sounds really promising right? Yeah. Well they dug in the sand for the next seven years and didn't find anything Oh. Every day. Seven years. How do you know where to start digging? Because of that they were like oh the guy but like you've just found one bit. Anyway. Oh, this guy called a kind of technologist. Well, the archaeologist Carter, he was really methodicals.

He was just doing meter by meter, like, dig here, nothing, dig here, nothing. And there's a lot of desert out there to find. They didn't find anything. What if it was two meters down? I think he probably went 300 meters down with every meter. Oh, no, I wanted to take seven years. Yeah, that makes sense.

This is Carter. It got to 1922 and Lord Canaverton told Carter that he could no longer afford to fund what he thought was a useless project. You've been digging for seven years, mate. We found nothing. Cut it off. Cut it big for one more season. He said, give me one more year.

I'll do it even if I have to pay for it myself. So Canaveravan agreed and only three days later, workers discovered stone steps that led to a doorway and it was stamped with an ancient seal. That seal was quickly realized to be the mark of royalty. So they got really excited. Carter sends a telegram to the Earl, took Kanavan saying, hey man, I found the thing, but I'll wait for your arrival. You've paid for this, we've waited.

So they wait for him to come over from England? What would that have sounded like, Matt? When he's on his way over from England? It's ordering refreshments on the airplane. Well, I'm on my way over now. Might just have a bit of a nap. It's pretty good. Exciting times.

Yeah, four. In the 20s, well. Well, I asked for a nap. Pretty good. Exciting times. Yeah. Four. In the 20s, well. Well, I asked for that impression. Me too. They don't call them the roaring 20s for nothing. It's still a character. Just settle in here. Get myself a comfortable. Are you on the plane? Plane? Yes, I'm here on a plane.

But, how have you got there, plane? Another whisky, please. I I'm just gonna have a little nap Another one two naps is oh, it's probably taking a long time. I'm a long flight. I haven't settled into the first nap Now enough to talk back there. He's also is he flying the plane? It's also not talk back there Quite you quite down. I'm trying to nap off flying this plane Jesus quite a doubt I'm trying to nap off like this play. Jesus.

Well while he was waiting for the Earl to arrive, Carter, back at home in Egypt in his house, he had the first sign of something bad happened to him. He had bought a yellow Canary bird to help keep him company. The unmarried man needed something to come home to for seven years after digging to the sand for 12 hours every day. I think a little canary is going to do the job. It's going to be really inappropriate then. Well, let's see what did you have. Let's see how in a program. The cards on the table, Perkins. No, it's fine. Just keep going. Now it's not funny because I've said I was going to be

inappropriate and now you just can't do it this way. Well, apparently all the guys on the expedition were excited about the colorful bird. Oh! And they said it would lead them to the tomb and saw the bird as a symbol of hope. But Carter came home that night and he servant ran towards him with a bundle of yellow feathers in his hand saying he'd heard a rustling and a cobra was eating the canary in the cage. He added master, this is an omen, don't go into that tomb. Because the cobra is on the headdress of many pharaohs, and he used to strike enemies to protect the pharaoh,

and the local workers freaked out because they thought this was the pharaoh himself coming to eat their symbol of hope. Oh man. I don't really believe any of that. No, I do, I'm 100% on board. Matt, you were with Carter, he said to be a servant, don't be such a fool. I don't even believe it happened. Well, take my word for it.

I read it on the internet. On the internet. Oh, sorry. No, I didn't realize it was on the internet. I just feel like one of those things that was beefed up later. No Carter said to be servant. Don't be such a fool. Just make sure the cobra is not in the house.

Yeah, good call. So it's pretty practical this guy. Yeah, no that makes sense. I'll check this out. Yeah. In fact I'm going to check my house when I get home just in case. Yeah, I think that's a smart man. When I go home to my lonely Canary Bird tonight.

Oh, you can have it lonely. Well. Well that's the thing, if you like, you've got a Canary for your lonely. That's what about the Canary? You're a jealous companion. It's got the corpore. When you're at work during the day, digging for 12 hours a day.

Canary's got heaps to do at home. Like what? What's the canary doing just? The dishes. The dishes, reading. That's not companionship. That's having cheap animal labor. But checking the house for gas at all times. Yeah

Really? Smelling gas leak. What do they do? They die if they do that. Yeah, they got very sensitive lungs So they smell gas before anyone else. That's why you used to take them down the coal mine They smell it and alert them or they just No, they look over and if the birds dead in the cage they go gas and run out It's a very horrible job for the bulldozer. It's not a job, it's a suicide bombing. It's a suicide.

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of the king himself, Tune Carmen. It however also showed signs of thieves that I mentioned before and it was visible where the tomb had been broken into. So Carter was really worried that he was 3,000 years too late, that someone had already beaten him just by the skin of his body teeth. Now, here's the opening of this tomb. Kenavan was sent a letter by the mystic Cairo. Cairo at the time was the sort of world famous fortune

teller for celebrities. He read four things for people like Mark Twain and Oscar Wilde and things like this. And his letter warned the Lord to not enter the tomb. It read, Lord Kenavan, not to enter the tomb, disobey at peril, if ignored would suffer sickness not recover, death would claim him in Egypt. So he went, oh! Canavan ignore the Lamb! Found himself in the passageway of the tomb with his daughter,

Lady Evelyn Herbert, Howard Carter the Yarkyologist and Carter's assistant, A.R. nicknamed Pecky Kellender, which I enjoy that. Right, no. Pecky. Pecky. Fuck, I love that. Yeah. Peck Dog is... Look in the goods. It took forever, but Carter...

So it's just the four of them in there, and there's one door between them and the tomb that they've been waiting for, I just... Took forever, but Carter chiseled or drilled a hole in the final door into the tomb. He lit a candle, put it through the hole, he peered inside and can avid whispered, can you say anything? Bit of effect there. Carter replied, yes, wonderful things, one of the things. What he could say was a chamber absolutely packed full of treasures. The entire room was glistening with gold.

Wow. Now, what he tells people he dig next was that after looking through the hole, he then re-sealed it and waited three days for the Egyptian official to arrive as the law required, had a local person go in there with you first. But if you'd been digging for seven years and you just discovered a two full of gold, would you wait to go in? Yeah, would have a stickler for rules. Rules are rules for a reason, Dave,

and I'm not one to push them. What kind of system is like? Wait, it's seven years, you can wait three more days. English people go over and just steal treasures from another country. What, what, how's that work? At this time, there was a deal where it was 50-50. If you discovered it, you would share the riches 50% with the country, 50% with yourself.

There's a lot of money to be made for these people. But Howard Carter, I think, was actually quite, he had the right intent, but he still probably broke in that night. They'd been waiting for nearly 10 years, so they secretly spent all night in there. And Lady Evelyn, the daughter, she was the smallest so she went in first. That'd be pretty cool to go in where someone hasn't been for 3,000 years. It'd be creepy. Yeah, absolutely.

Super creepy. Middle of the desert. Candlelight only. Yeah, not creepy, so I'll... You don't know. Actually, I probably wouldn't go in there. I wouldn't go. I wouldn't go. I wouldn't go. That'd be terrifying.

It'd be terrifying. It'd be terrifying. It'd be terrifying. You're going into it. It's just someone's grave. Yeah, gross. No, no, thank you. Yeah. How do we feel about that? Obviously, people, it's called archaeology now, but at the same time, it's also grave desecration, but just in 3000 years, we've talked about death a lot on this show before. Would you be caring of someone, dug up your bones in 3000 years? Couldn't give a shit. I'm dead. And I've been dead for a very long time. 3000 years. No, I guess not. What are they going to do with them? Yeah, but even then. Put them in a museum. Museum. So, do it. I'll have to do it.

I'm happy to be shown in the podcast museum. They dig up your bones. The bones of the greatest podcast. Mark Marren's on display there. I'll have to put my dust on display there as we discovered in the death episode. Yeah, they'll have to put my pie on display there. I'll have to put my dust on display there as we discovered in the death episode. Yeah, they'll have to put my pie on display. They won't find me, I'll be in space. Yeah, they won't find me. I'll disappear under very suspicious circumstances. Anus related, misshapp. On use of the story of the discovery quickly spread in Canavan, Carter and King Tut became celebrities overnight.

Newspapers around the world carried the story because people had been mocking them for years and they thought they were digging up sand for nothing. But they'd done it, they'd found what was thought to not actually even be there. It was the first archaeological dig to be filmed, so camera crews came out and filmed it. That's cool. Very early on. Carter and Knaven made the first big mistake when they sold the rights of this massive worldwide story exclusively to the London Times newspaper.

And they were accused of profiteering, because Egypt was especially pissed, because they felt that they didn't get rights to their own story, because it's their history. And then only the London Times is getting the interviews and stuff like that. So they were really, really mad about it and people were writing sensational stories about them, sort of people were threatening to sort of protest at the dig site, this kind of stuff.

And Kenarvan defended himself, he said that you made the deal for the money, yes, but also because he saw it in that way, he only had to deal with one press outlet. He'd do one interview and then they'd get back to the dig. That was what he said. But let's be honest, you just wanted the cash. He's all about the archaeologist. He spent a lot of money on this. And then we get to the tomb itself. There's an easier way.

You could, if you were just wanting to not do interviews rather than selling it to one, you could just say, I'm not doing any at all. That would be even quicker, right? Yeah, yeah. That would be even more mysterious. How about that, Kenarvan? Dejoker. Oh,, dickhead strong. Don't worry, something's coming for him. Tuts to him had, it's just four small rooms, but it was literally packed with thousands

of objects. Oh my god. There were so well that some of them were completely fall apart at the touch of a 20th century hand. So they had to be really careful with it. The rooms were packed with... The hands are different in this century. The exact money is. The century hand. Different. They've never been touched by an Englishman. It could tell. No.

That vase could tell. Not gentle. That racist vase. The rooms were packed with our major artifacts, statues, cabinets, vases, even five chariots were inside that then be dismantled so he could ride them in the afterlife. Sure. So he gets the afterlife. He's got a...

And there's a dismantle, so he's got a first get out like an Alan Kay, you know. Yeah, like a style. A little rebuild it. Bloody hell. That seems silly. That's not what you want to do in the afterlife. No, you want to just get on the party. Jumping.

Also, there's five chariots. That's too many. One man. One man. One man who probably couldn't even ride one in this real life because he had a bunk foot, a bunk back, and a broken thigh book. I will end the afterlife for all that stuff. It's, yeah, true.

Of course, because he worshiped the right God remember. He changed it. Thank goodness for that. Any one of the objects that they found would have been considered enough to repay the effort of the other years dig. Wow. So it was literally the greatest archeological find the world has ever seen. Wow. For this king that was not even like he was like very well. Very well. Very well. Very well. Very well. Very well. Very well. Very well.

But I guess all the ones that were. Ran, so you make you think about all the hundreds of pharaohs that like the really famous ones. What were they being buried with? I must have been amazing, but they just got six chariots. Probably. Six and a half chariots. Wow. What did you think it was? A spare parts. Very good. And you both pointed each other. It was very cute. It's a great improv game we're doing here. A spare parts. A spare parts. So the mummy itself was inside a sarcophagus inside three mummy coffins, each nestled inside the other sort of like a bushka doggle.

Or with Triska doll style. The two outer coffins were highly decorated wood and the third was solid gold, the inside one. And you know the famous blue and gold mask that everyone knows. Yeah. That's probably the most famous symbol of Egypt. That was his death mask put out of his face inside. Wow. It's not the coffin.

Solid gold coffin. Solid gold. Because we talked on the death burial commation episode. We talked about how expensive coffins and caskets are. Bloody. This is probably towards the top end of the scale. Probably. Yeah, probably.

I don't know what would be more expensive. What's more expensive than gold? Double gold. Boom. Yeah. Logic. Also Matt, you were saying before about who's getting the riches. So I told you that at the time the Egyptian government

gave any excavators a 50,50 split of whatever they found. There was however a massive catch. And that was, even archaeologists found an intact tomb, which means no one had been there before, then the agreement of equal division of the artifacts was null and void. And everyone agreed to this because they thought they'd never find one that was untouched. So then the Egyptian department of Antiquities could claim everything. Because the theory is the collective value of everything together is much more

than the sum of its parts. It's keeping it together is sort of what, there shouldn't be split up, should be put in a museum is what they thought. So then they had this big battle over whether it was intact because those grave robbers had been in there a little bit and then got caught. And they were saying, is that intact?

Is that not intact? And whilst all this was happening, the first signs of the curse started on the March 19th, everyone died. Everyone died. The first sign was everyone died. A second sign. Everyone stayed dead. No one came back to life. No March 19th, 1923, a few months after it been opened, Lord Canavan was shaving and he cut himself where it earlier been bitten by a mosquito bite. It became infected and he died four months and seven days after the opening of the tomb. He's serious? Yeah, so he cut himself and shaving on a mousy bite dead dead and he died and this guy had survived like a major

Crazy bad car accident Only to be killed by nicking himself shaving At the time of his death reportedly all the lights in Cairo went out Get out the British army who was in charge of utilities at the time couldn't find a reason for them going out No, just as quickly as they'd gone out, they magically came back on 20 minutes later. Not creepy. Also 2000 miles away back in England at the time of his death, the exact second at High Clear Castle where they filmed down to Naby.

Kanavan's Fox Terrier Susan was a sleep in her basket in the castle. At the time of his death she got up held and dropped dead. Fuck off! You've got to be kidding. It's a truth, gospel, Matt. You are so in awe that you're not going to comment and say how this is bullshit. So somebody, okay, so somebody must have discovered them, right? Somebody must have discovered his body.

Like let's say that housekeeper comes in, finds him and the dog both dead. But 2000 miles apart. Yeah, oh yeah. Never mind then. So someone heard the howl. Someone, so maybe I mean it kind of makes sense that he would have nicked himself shaving all the lights in the whole city went out. Yeah, it was just the darkness. Oh! Now it had been infected for many days before you actually died. But the curse was widely reported around the world and this is where the shutting out of the world's press really backfired on them because they the press who were annoyed that they didn't get to cover the actual story. They started writing these really sensationalized stories about the tomb being cursed and they started

quoting descriptions or inscriptions these sensationalized stories about the tomb being cursed and they started quoting scriptures or inscriptions that were reportedly found inside about people that disturb this death will come on swith wings, stuff like that. The media is going crazy, but Carter shrugged off the curse as ridiculous. This is our logical man again, but because he'd been shielded by Kenarven from the press before, now Carter was the center of attention and tourists began descending on mass at the dig side of Tut's tomb to see the riches and treasures being draged out So suddenly he's being swamped by these people and all he wants to do is get back to work Because he's literally obsessive with getting the cataloging the treasures Not many people were allowed inside the tomb

But one of the few civilians allowed inside allowed inside was george jay gould great name he was a very rich man who was invited by carter after his private to work that night he came down with a fever and by the next day he was dead yes this is the nine twenties right like ever i'm died all the time back then well take that in It's such a nice thing.

What people did die all the time at, in 1923, two men suddenly died after entering the tomb. Doctor said it was a fever, but some thought it was King Tut's curse. Next to go was Pecky Calendar. Pecky, not Pecky. Pecky, she was the bird, right? Pecky, that was the assistant, the male,

one of the first four people in. Oh, okay. He was a card assistant. Oh, the pecky. Pecky. What a great name. See, I love it. I get pecky, but pecky. Some reason I was thinking that was the little yellow bird. No, we didn't want to think we named the bird. Would you like to name the bird? 100 years after it's... Pecky.

Was a bird. Pecky. Pecky is a great bird. Now I've caught my bird, Peck. Oh, that's cute. Both of them did? Peck is a great bird now, I've called my bird, peck. Oh, that's cute. Both of them did pecky and the bird. Carter, people kept handing him about the curse trying to get interviews, he's repeatedly dismissed the curse and then he said his eyes on the body of King Tut. See, that would be creepy. I'd find that really weird.

You know how in movies when they open a coffin and, oh, I couldn't do that now. So you know so that coffin had been there for three thousand years or whatever. That's too long. Because it's in four rooms. They have to go from room to room and they get the treasures out of one room then move to the other. It actually took like several months before they actually found the actual sarcophagus with. Oh really really? You know, that golden bit. So they got the treasures out of the first room first, and they had to move to another room. So I just imagined that you'd go in there,

have a look around, be like, yep, cool. Cool, but no, they went room by room. So, do they know he was in there when they first found that they assumed he was in there, right? Yeah, but they just couldn't quite get to it yet. Well, room by room, they were worried that people, you know, because they saw signs of people that had broken in, so they're thinking,

oh, this room's intact, but how about the next room? Because they're very secretive with, they made it so if you broke into one room, it'd be hard to break into the next. You're right. So it was all sealed from each other? So you know the Egyptians, they said they'd take the lot if it was, um, intact.

Yep. What, what would the English archaeologists get if they were, um, if, if the Egyptians took it all, do they get anything? Do they get just like a, you know, a certificate of appreciation or something? A picture for a junior burger at McDonald's. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. No, I mean, um, so they're still doing all the work. Like, I got no problem with Egypt keeping it all I think that's makes sense, but it just seems weird that it seems weird to me that it's um, I spent all that time They get nothing. Well, we'll get to what he got. We'll get to that. I mean, they go got death obviously, but if they survived

Well, Carter, so he was, I was just gonna say he moves on to the corpse Which was wrapped in 13 layers of linen. And inside the linen, there's 143 amulets that are wrapped inside to ward off evil. 143. Yes, we had no problem. And they're all jewels and they're all gold. They're like worth millions of dollars. No, I hate that.

I hate that. I hate. What, do you draw the line 142? No, I really like rounded numbers. Oh, so like 14? Doesn't mean even, well, even that would kind of get 7 more 150. Yeah. That makes more sense to me.

Anyway. But the rest of the, the rest of the stuff that Egyptians did to their bodies makes perfect sense to you. Oh, 13 layers, again, 13 layers of linen. Why 13? Some of the, it's another 15 linen why 13 10 or 15 13 10 or 15 I see five increments of five yeah kind of yeah Yeah, so 145 would have been okay 145 see that bothers me a little bit So close to 150 yeah just get 150 would you like me to lie in maybe they ran out?

I don't think anyone's gonna tweed in but if you would like to and correct me yeah I do go on pot I don't know if you'll better so it was wrapped this stuff, but the residents and oils that were used to embalm the body had turned to glue over 3,000 years and to get the amulets, he couldn't get them out. So Carter had to dismember the corpse, he cut it up including removing the head. Oh my god. So if you think that there's some sort of curse going on, would you literally get the guy that may be cursing everyone and just chop his body out? I would be terrified of that. Let me have a think about that Just for the like if you're an archaeologist he's trying to put like fine and preserve

Histories that want archaeologists to yeah, but you want to be chopping up the body 143 amulets is probably the reason 145 and you're thinking 145 amulets is probably the reason. 145. And you're thinking 145 amulets. Within two weeks of performing this operation, so Carter oversaw it, two of its participants were dead. No. Two more dead. He's in a body count.

How many have we got a count there? Like a body count? Yeah, let's start a tally body count. All right, so we've lost the bird. We've lost the bird. Body count. We've lost. Lord can Arvind. We've lost his dog. We've lost the bird. We've lost the bird. We've lost the bird. We've lost the bird. We've lost the bird.

Lord can't have it. We've lost his dog. Pecky. We've lost Pecky. We've lost the rich guy that had a fever the night came in. George, five. And then we have these two more guys. Seven.

Or up to seven. King Tart obviously is dead, but we won't count him. No, I don't know. Do you think he should eat count? Well, he was. He's the one person. We'll cut out reckon we'll let that bumps us up to eight. I reckon let's keep counting him in. Tutt in his well?

All right, we'll have to eight. I'll keep going with the tally then. You got a little body tally. It's going to look weird on this piece of paper that I leave in the studio when somebody else comes in here to record and be prepared for a few things. It's like Egyptian body counts. It says body count and it's just got a tally underneath.

It's quite creepy. We'll Love that. So Carter kept digging, he was not putered by any of this. He saw the dig site as his own and only let certain people inside the tomb. You'd let his friends... People he was happy to let die. Yeah, he would let his friends in

and he would tell the authorities that they were all scientists. But he wouldn't actually let Egyptian government officials in because he would say they quote, weren't qualified. Sure. So one day he wanted to take a tour of his friends and their wives on a tour of the dick You want to let them in the women were not allowed in as the government was like hey, they're not they're not scientists You're using double standards. You can only let scientists in if you're not letting us in. Yeah, women can't be scientists Cracked this shit. I know it sounds a bit sexist, but Carter cracked it.

He put up huge iron gates in front of the tomb and locked everyone out. He said no one else can come in. This is my digsite. Drime Aquarium. And as you can imagine, the Egyptian officials were not happy with this and he woke up. They killed him. Well, they closed note. Basically his life was over. He woke up one morning and they canceled his concession Which allowed him to come in and they kicked him out of Egypt. Yeah fair enough like what what a fucking idiot

Yeah, what a day. You think was gonna happen. It's my dig site It's probably like a yeah, and it's our country Yeah, there's a billion dollars of gold in there. So come on water. There's probably a lot of corruption going on But when the government couldn't get anyone to do as good a job as Carter because he was so obsessive, he was allowed back in one year later. Ah, it sucks. But the deal was he had to give up the claim to any of the treasure. Oh!

So like, yeah, you can keep working on it, but you can't have any cash for it. Oh. So what does he get? Well, he gets a volunteer on it. What does he get? He spent the next 10 years in the tomb on his own cataloging over 5,000 items. 5,000? You'd be pretty happy with that, Jess. Oh, you know, 5,000 is good by being here. 5,000 and 6? Fuck off. He's a little fun fact for the side here. You know how that Egyptian deathmaster was talking about before? You know how it's got like a really long beard?

Like a little go-to-eat type thing? When they find that, found it inside that had snapped off, so they reattached it. So two and a half kilos of solid gold. What? Enlaid with blue lapis lazuli. Two and a half kilos of solid gold. So in the 40s they reattached it with a piece of wood to put on display. But in August 2014, the beard fell off when the mask

was taken out of its display case for cleaning. Museum workers responsible used a quick drying glue in a sense to fix it, hoping that in all of it would notice that they left the beard off center. Oh my god. They may notice the damage until January 2015 and it had to be repaired by a team of German and Egyptian experts who reattached it using beeswax. How long between being botched and... Oh my god. So for five months it sat there and no one noticed.

And those people who botched it and they outdid? Well, well you say that in January this year. Fuck off. They were put on trial and I I'm not sure what's gonna happen to them. Oh my God, they won't be executed, they've lost their jobs and they could be jailed for the, because it's desecration of Egypt's most famous thing. But like an accident, right? What should they have done then? Probably called the German Egyptian team

and not trying to just sort of stick it back together. Super glue, what back on? Oh my God, you would be mortified. Man, they live, they'll be cursed for sure if they live but back to the curse would the curse same do of stops that goes back on site a year later well the curse is gone there right well we've got to go back in time so during the time that Carter was madly cataloging his 5000 items many other deaths were attributed to the Ferris curse so get that death telly ready Jess. Other Jess.

10th of July, 1923, Prince Ali, 23-year-old. Prince Ali, I've got the glorious hip-hop. What's that? Glorious hip, that's it. I've got Aladdin. I panicked. Well, other Chantilly. You know, I said he changed the capital.

Tutankhamun, he changed the capital back to Thebes. That was one of his claims to fame. Thebes. Thebes. Thebes. Thebes. T-H-E-S. Yes. Where is, and are these cities still around? Thebes. And what did he change it from?

I can't remember. I'm not sure to be honest. Cairo is the capital now. Capital now, yep. And also, a, some sort of a future teller fortune teller stars I wrote that down. Well, that was it's spelled very differently, but yes Chiro it's probably Chiro C-H-E-I-R-O-Chiro. So Prince Ali. So Prince Ali is a 23-year-old Egyptian prince shot dead by his French wife of six months, Marie Magarita, in London Savoy Hotel shortly after he was photographed visiting the tomb.

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I feel like, yeah, death in a lot of ways, you are blind, right? Good point. Good point. Yeah, just, he was blind, dead blind. Dead blind. Body counts. So Archibald Douglas Reed, radiologist who X-rayed Tutankhamon's mummy died in January 1924 from a- It was 102.

No. From a mysterious illness. Mysterious illness, Matt. Oh, that's more cursish. That's more cursish. November 1924. It's from India. 1924 still.

Sir Lee Stack, Governor-General of Sudan, was assassinated while driving through Cairo shortly after visiting. Boy, I cobb-bra. Get out. There you go. We're after 12. Arthur Mace, a member of the excavation team, died in 1928 from arsenic poisoning. Oh! Poisoning, so the curse is also slipping arsenic into people's drinks.

It's like an agathic novel. The curse is a curse. It's like an egg of the Christic novel. The Curses of Curses. Can Arvins' other half brother died on 26th of May, 1929, reportedly from Malarial pneumonia. He's got Malarial pneumonia. Which is... That's what's hard-haired, possibly. Oh, cursi, cursi. And what often carries malaria?

Moseys. And the other guy before got bitten by a mousses and then died. He's controlling the mousses. So that was just a malaria outbreak. Yeah, now a few, you know, a couple of years. Yes, what are we up to? 14. How about this one?

She's going to get a shooting, as I was going to say. Richard Bethel, November 15th, 1929, Carter's personal secretary died in his sleep, but was possibly smothered. You read that, man? smothered. Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho Get out! The curse was just whispering, you see. He left a note, blaming his son's death on the curse of King Tutt. On the way to the cemetery, Lord Westbury's hearth struck and killed an eight-year-old boy. Fuck off. Reportedly, at the exact moment the boy died, so did an employee of the British Museum, his field, Egyptology.

No! Chock it up. Reportedly. Um, this is getting looser and looser. I've sourced all of these people. Edgar Steele, only four days later, 57, who he was in charge of handling the tomb artifacts at London's British Museum, died after a minor stomach operation. Died dead.

Killed. Gone. Cast on. Kirst. Kirst. I'm not even, we're bloody halfway halfway there so earn us Wallace budge November 1934 a former keeper in the British Museums Department of Egyptian and Assyrian Antiquities where after 20 baby he was found dead in his bed is Bloomsbury aged

77. That's really old. That's really old. A friend of Lord Canalvin he had been responsible for displaying the artifacts found in Luxor. Oh Matt. Dad. What do you think of that Matt? Next one. Muhammad, and this is, we're cutting to the 60s. It's still going.

Muhammad Ibrahim, Egypt's director of antiquities, argued with the government against letting the treasures from the tomb leave Egypt for an exhibition in Paris. He pleaded with the authorities to allow the relics to stay in Cairo because he had suffered terrible nightmares of what would happen to him if they left the country. Ibrahim left a final meeting with the government officials, stepped out into what looks like a clear road on a bright sunny day was hit by a car and died suddenly. The treasures of the tomb were transported to London from a prestigious exhibition at the British Museum. Dr. Mahez, Ibrahim's successor, the guy that replaced the guy that just died in Cairo, as director of antiquities, he scoffed at the legend, saying this, his whole life,

he had spent in Egyptology, and then all the deaths that misfortunes through the decades had been pure coincidence. He died the night after supervising the packaging of the relics for transport to England by Royal Air Force plane. Dead. He died whilst... What had he done?

He died while he was supervising. No, the night after he scoffed at it and he packed the antiquities to go on a tour. That night? Dead. How did he die? Dead. Death. He's cause of death.

Stop breathing or you start. A wee. Do you think we're, like, as you guys, you believe in this obviously. Well, Matt, do I, the evidence? No, wait, the evidence. A wee, a wee bring ourselves into the end of the gun by talking about it. What possibly?

We're putting ourselves in. Why, I was thinking before, because we're talking about it. We've got two more deaths. But we've got a recording talking about it too, so Well, man, okay if we go wait let's assume Evan has access to this Evan don't release it because then everybody who listens to the podcast is gonna die Oh, no, which is A lot of people it's millions Potentially. Podcasts are free and accessible to many millions.

I'll call this curse of the Pharaohs in brackets. This podcast could kill. And then, like, if that happens, right? If we die having just talked about this curse, then it would be newsworthy. And so then it would attract even more attention. It would be great for past episodes. Oh yeah, it would be really good. I would only sell our story to the London Times. Good move.

The London Arvind himself. All right, so one of the first people to see touch treasures in London was the only surviving member of the first four people to enter the Tumen Egypt and that was Lady Evelyn Herbert. So, Kanarvind's daughter, she was often interviewed over the decades about the curse, but would laugh and say, I'm alive. I'm kicking, I'm 70. I don't believe in it. Oh, you idiot. She was the first in. If she wasn't the first to die, it doesn't exist.

Yeah, but then she turns around and goes, I don't believe in the curse. Well, now she's gonna die. She's dead. She's 100% dead. So she was gonna have to send him to be like, okay, I liked you when I was letting you. Yeah, so so after her father died, she wouldn't go back to Egypt. So she never saw the stuff again until it came to London when she was living, leaving the museum on her fifth visit. She suffered a stroke on the steps, which did not kill her, but left her very paralyzed. So send her a message.

Oh, no, I've already written, I've already put a stroke down on the list. She has since died. Yes. Oh, yes. Yes! Yes. Oh God. I just celebrated a few. In some time into her 70s, for a few years later she died.

Few years later. Dead. I'm counting it. How about this one? Final one, 1970. A workman dropped dead. TGH James, at one time the Egyptian curator at the British Museum, told how, when the TUT exhibit came

to the museum in 1972, the foreman of the crew involved in setting up the exhibit suddenly dropped dead, not in the gallery, but somewhere else. No one believed that this was due to anything but natural causes, but still the museum officials were so worried the death would be played up as the curse of King Tutt, they swore the crew to secrecy and everyone kept their mouths shut for over 20 years. Just chuck it up. I'm really unhappy with this because I need one more for it to be around a number. What, how many is it?

24. Wait, 524. How about this one? How would Carter himself, the main guy, he lived for 16 years after he opened the tomb and died in 1939, aged 64. Does he disprove the curse? Or was that just King Tut looking out for him as the only one with the dedication and precision to properly look after his tomb? That's what you got to ask yourself, Matt. Well, he still died young, he was in his 60s.

That's right. Jess? I want to count it so that it can be around a number. Well, people claim that 25 deaths, which we just got up to, can be argued to have been caused by the Ferris curse, but is it actually a thing? Yes! Alright, I'll tell you this. Egyptians did use curses, and they did put them up on the wall in the hieroglyphics, but the reality is there wasn't any written on the walls of King Tut's tomb. Maybe it was written somewhere else.

Well many of the rooms started after Lord Knaven sold the exclusive rights to the stories. It was paper getting back at him. So they were using rumor-filled copy to sell copies of their paper. I make him look bad for selling the story to other papers. But does that discount the... Still enough of them died in weird ways. Like yes a few of them died from illness or injuries and like that, fairly normal reasons. But a few of them were weird. So I'm gonna say the curse is real.

The curse is real, Matt? I don't believe that you guys actually believe it. So that's not answering the question at all though, is it? What do you think? Well, I know, I don't believe it, that's the famous last words. I'm just bloody someone, death warrant. I'll do it. I haven't, because I know I don't believe it but that's the famous last words I've just bloody saw my own death weren't old here. I haven't because I believe it. I believe it. I respect you I respect the curse. I think King Tutzer fucker and he should Glad he died when he was good. Yeah, true if you've already signed your own death, baby

He may as well just go out go out on the line go out swinging Hey come I can't wait to ride your horseies with you in the buddy Go out swinging it. Hey come I can't wait to ride your horses with you in the buddy You five horsey chariots with you. You're f**k you. You're f**k you're f**k. I Have sworn all this episode. I will say the final note on the story here Carter had made peace with Tut and the Pharaoh's bones We're put back together and put back in the tomb and I'm still there to this day. Oh that broke the curse So maybe that broke the curse? Or maybe it's still out there.

Hey, Moby, who knows? You can go and visit the tomb. It's open to the public. You can go in and have a visit. And you can see the bones. But is there still stuff in there? They have left some things in there. But because over the years, so many people have gone in there,

the Egyptian government have started building a replica tomb and they're going to possibly close the original one to the public in the foreseeable future. So if you want to get out there guys and you want to get the actual curse, I suggest going over to Egypt, go to the Valley of the Kings. Wow. How would you go to a replica one, feels like a... What's still in there, Valley? A place of time.

Well, it's still like dug into the sand. Yeah, it will still look dug into the sand of... Yeah, it will still look cool. I'd go. Would you go, Jess? Or would you be scared of the kids? I'd be... Well, I wouldn't be scared of the curse. I'd just be freaked out by the whole tomb thing. Yeah, no, thank you. No, thank you for your...

Where's the body? So the body's still in there? Yeah, so it's inside the tomb. So in the end, the Egypt did keep the lot? What I've seen at that exhibition then, there was stuff there. So yeah, the main stuff like that death mask, that famous thing I keep talking about, the beer that broke off, that's in the Kaur Museum. I feel like I saw the gold coffin, but probably not, right? I don't remember a lot about that exhibition.

So you went to Kaur? No, this was in Melbourne. Oh, it's in Iran. Yeah, good show. It went on a world tour. I love when art and artifacts go on world tours. So good. 3,000.

It's weird. Picture him out the back just partying. The weirdest part is that he's been dead for 3,000 years, and then he goes on a world tour. Come, that's weird, right? Yeah. But I'm hoping our comedy career is a similar. All right. After we're dead. Come, that's weird, right? Yeah. But I'm hoping comedy career is a similar. All right.

Afterward dead. 30,000 years strong. Yeah. It's going to be the name of my solo show in 3,000 years strong. Still on top. The Jess Perkins Extravaganza. Wow. Extravaganza.

Yeah. I feel like after 3,000 years, you can be ambitious. Yeah, I think that's fair. Wow. Are we done? That's all I've got on that. I just want to say that after I'd really liked Egypt as a child, like I was saying at the start, and this is rekindled my thing, and I really, really want to go now.

That was really interesting, really fascinating, and now I'm terrified of the curse. If we die, anytime soon, in fact, when we die, I'm going to and now I'm terrified of the curse and if we die anytime soon Oh, in fact when we die I'm gonna be very confident it was cursed related even if it's in 50 years Yeah, you'll be on your deathbed at 89 and be like it's a curse It's a curse because that podcast that one episode of the podcast I'm so sorry that I've cursed all our listeners as well. Sorry everyone a lot of those a lot of those deaths did happen a long time after so yeah Yeah, but a lot happened pretty soon after as well, so A lot of those deaths did happen a long time after so. Yeah. Yeah. But a lot happened pretty soon after as well, so.

That's right. And some would say that all those people would be dead now anyway, but would they? Yes. Yes, almost certainly. There would be the oldest people alive. Wow. That was really cool. Thanks, Dave.

Thank you guys. I hope you enjoyed that Matt. You are the probably the most skeptical person on the show, but I think that I've made one you over there. Yeah, I feel like you got him. I claim that, but. Yeah, no, I'm in. Yeah, yeah.

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That sounds very needy. It's at do go on pod at do goon pod. I'll find that one. You can email us as well. Do go on pod at gmailon pod find that one again email us as well do go on pod at gmail dot com that would be exciting to be fun find some Facebook to oh you're on Facebook here's a bloody like mate do that and I will be back next week with a another report Matthew yeah I think I'm actually gonna we've been people have been sending in suggestions you might pick up a

suggestions yeah I started collating a list I'm gonna gonna, we've been, people have been sending in suggestions. You might pick up a suggestion. Yeah, I've started collating a list and I'm gonna put them all in a hat and pluck one out. Great idea. I think it'll be awesome. Yeah, I might start doing that a little bit more because I don't think we've taken any. Not yet, no. Not yet, but we do, so I don't know, if you want to... We've got it, yeah, there's some in.

I've got quite a long list going, but well, I mean, it's not super long. But it's not so long, doesn't it? It doesn't, there's no chance if you're getting it in, yeah. Yeah, I think... Yeah, send them suggestions, please. Please, and thank you. PiroBox Lockbag, now we don't have that much. Just Twitter, email them in.

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