Two In The Think Tank - 166 - Charles Lindbergh & The Crime Of The Century

Episode Date: December 26, 2018

Dave reports on the life of Charles Lindbergh, who rocketed to unparalleled world wide fame when he in 1927 he became the first person to fly from New York to Paris. Just when he was on top of the world, his son was kidnapped for ransom, in what has been dubbed "the crime of the century". The rest of his life was extremely controversial, involving Nazis and secret families... This is a truly wild ride.Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPod Instagram: @DoGoOnPod Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/ Email us: [e-mail] Book tickets to Matt's stand up shows via mattstewartcomedy.com/gigs  Check out our other podcasts: Book Cheat: https://omny.fm/shows/bookcheatPrime Mates: https://omny.fm/shows/prime-matesTheme song by Evan Munro-Smith, Logo by Peader Thomas!REFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSYvcm0tvOEhttps://www.flightsafetyaustralia.com/2017/05/lucky-lindy/https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-lindy-did-the-hop-1495829913http://www.charleslindbergh.com/plane/firstplane.asphttps://www.herox.com/crowdsourcing-news/428-history-of-challenges-the-orteig-prize-1919-1927https://www.amazon.com/We-Charles-Lindbergh/dp/4871876330 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Oh, my God. I thought. This is a mess. The greatest woman of all time. Kathy Framon came to mind, but maybe that was because I saw her on a barbecue shape said before. Oh. The builder is the greatest woman of all time.

Well, like, she was living on legend's street. Anyway, it doesn't matter. We're not here to talk about shapes. Or do they, the greatest woman of all time? We are here to host a podcast. Hello, and we're here to host the last podcast for 2018. What, our podcast? It's not ever.

Last one ever, then some Smarras tries to release a podcast at like 11.59. It's a 50 second podcast. Fuck you. You. Maras. We are the last pod. All pods are on holidays now.

It is a pod holiday, but yeah, it's been a bloody fun year. Probably my favorite for the podcast so far. Each has been better than the last in some ways and in other ways much, much worse. I don't know what ways there would be, but it's been so much fun. We're fine, we're absolutely okay. It's good to be a lot of these,

because a lot of live episodes, so it's always nice to be back in the studio. As we've got eyes. It is. Just us. Yes, just us. Just us. None of this prying eyes, always going,

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Fingers in your pits come on. Oh, okay. You wouldn't cross over? Oh, you do the cross. Yeah, I do the chicken dance. Yeah, love that. Man, na na na na na. No, I do a little self hug. Oh yeah. Everything's gonna be all right, buddy. I do. I do like some sort of weird one.

He does a pretzel. You're striking a, some sort of a pote. Yeah, you do a vogue. Very good. I'm voguein. But what I was trying to say was, 2018, fantastic year, 2019, possibly an even better year for the pod. And what better way to start it than three months in before with the

comedy festival. Comedy Festival. God, his segues are so smooth. Yeah, smooth. It's so smooth. I don't know where they're going until they're already happening. Yeah, that's right. We are performing at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival once again.

I like the word performing. Oh, appearing? We'll be there. Sitting, sitting and talking. Sitting, that's a performance. Yeah, it is. Tickets won't say our last week and they're available at dogoonpod.com. And if you use the code Christmas before the end of the year, before January 1st, you can

get a discount on all tickets tickets including already discounted season passes Are we talking classic spelling or Dave's spelling of Christmas? No, I went to this last week with when I was doing the intro. I just went with Christmas. Yeah, just normal Christmas because Christmas would have been too confusing. Yeah, sure. Yeah, that is spelled Christmas. I mean, how long is a piece of string? Yeah. It's really whatever is in your heart. How long is a Christmas? How long is a Christmas?

How many years in a Christmas? Many years in a Christmas. May I say four or five if I'm going hard, but just depends. Now, the way the show works, right? V, is that plug-ins? Yeah, if I had to get that out the way, you know? The way the show works, Jess, if I'm right, tell me if I'm wrong. I don't want to know about it.

Okay. The way the show works is between the three of us, we rotate, and each week we do a report on a topic that we research to varying degrees, but normally at least quite a lot. And then we bring a report in and we tell it to the other two who don't know what the topic is going to be. To get on a topic, we ask a question. This week Dave is doing the topic and the report. And the question.

And the question. Wow, he's done it all. To get us on topic. Dave, what is your question this week? My question, to get us on topic is, who became world famous after piloting the spirit of Saint Louis? Okay, famous pilot. Yes, definitely was done there marks brothers. We done them all right

Right brothers. Oh, yeah, the right right mate. Thank you. Thank you so much applaud yourself Yeah, it's weird. It's like you were already like clapping as you are It's hard to get it across on the podcast, but when I said right there, I was actually spelling it W-R-I-G-H-T. Yeah. Like the brothers.

That's why that is so funny. That's why I'm a genius. Now it's not the right right? Is it a John Travolta? No, who is also a famous pilot? Is it? If he probably, this name would probably come between the right brothers in John Travolta on the list number two on the list of pilots

Yeah, oh, okay, Amelia Earhart. Okay, that may also be number two. They share it second spot Amelia Earhart and one other person This is male. It is a man. Is it Jacques Picard or whatever? Patrick's shoot name is in that show or whatever Patrick Stewart's name is in that show. No. Is he part of your pilot's plane? Space, space plane? Yeah, space plane. Is it Scotty being me up?

I thought it's full name. That's why they say that when they say that. Yeah. Scotty being me up. It's just one of the, you know how you've got friends who you're like, you refer to with their full name? I always assumed it was just you wanted a bean. Bean me up, Scotty. Chikens of bean. Scotty's doing the bag of beans.

Just eating it, he brought his head lunch. Bean me up. Bean me up. Bean me up. Scotty's like, I wish he would bring your head lunch. You keep eating half of mine and honestly, the reason I'm bringing it is I'm trying to eat healthy but also just trying to say we would have to cash. But you're eating half my lunch, and then I end up going through the drive through my way home because I'm hungry because half my lunch was eaten by you Never been reimbursed the draft from the way I'm from Star Trek Yeah, if they're people to the way back to their houses Anyway, I don't think either of us know what it is. Yeah, I'm talking about Charles Exavia

Lindbergh Oh the Lindbergh baby that is also part of this massive right I don't even know what that means. I've just heard people say it before maybe in Seinfeld. Oh right So well that can't believe that comedy show reference that this absolutely tragic event. Oh no But there are two things that Charles Lindbergh is very famous for. No, it was the Simpsons. I think Grandpa at one point says, I was the Lindbergh baby. Oh yeah, yeah. Is that true? That's right. Yeah. Hey yeah, at least Simpsons' reference. Very famous for flying the Spirit of St. Louis

and then also very famous for what has been dubbed as the crime of the century. Oh. Which century? I guess the 20th century. That's right. Ooh, so bigger crime than 9-11. No, no. No, that did not fit in. I'm afraid. That's the biggest one.

Because what I'm one. The 21st century. I know. I don't know what to do. You bring it up. Every episode. Oh, I'm not on this point. You bring it up every episode. Oh, I'm not on this part. That's a primates thing.

Do I bring it up on this? So what I actually, what this story does, this isn't a pre-Nornolive and world, I guess a lot of this story. So that's interesting. And yeah, those are more than I have time back then. Is that what you want? Now, this topic has been suggested

by a whole bunch of people, but the reason I'm doing it is because our main man, Mr. Justin McCain, way back when we used to have the golden hat, I missed his suggestion at the time. So this is the final ever golden hat. Fell into a crack in the golden hat. Sorry, Justin. So... Mickey's talking to you. So this one is definitely for you Justin McCain. Thank you so much for your continued support.

And also your support way back when we had the Golden Hat going. And also a bunch of other people, I quickly shout out to Abby Sostray, Jacob Gray, Nolan Uitt, Billy from Calgary didn't say, and the last time Jeff Rosman, Emma from Austin, Yusuf from Glasgow, and Ari Katz from Israel. Very popular topic. Awesome.

What a great names. It did sound like I was making up a whole lot of names. It's just a reaping amount. Beautiful names, Dave. Thanks to everyone. Well made up. I don't believe you have it in you to make up names that good.

I don't think I do either. Dave would be like, Dave from Glasgow. Uh, David. David from David. David from Dave. Yeah, land. And others. Yeah.

Now it's on to the topic, which is of course, Chaslinberg. And we're going to start with his early life. A great place to start, Dave. And work our way through this, how do I say, extraordinary life. It's very, some people would start sort of in the middle and then they'd get to something and be like, oh, yeah, I have to let you know that this thing happened to him when he was really young and that's why his mum calls him Steve.

Anyway, so now, but see when you start at the beginning, you work out the Charles and Steve at the same person. It flows. And it could be fun if you start somewhere in the middle and then you put it sort of at the beginning. You work out the child's and Steve at the same person. It flies. And it could be fun if you start somewhere in the middle and then you put a title card on the lower third of the screen saying 17 years early. Yeah, that's fun too, actually.

If you can do that, if you can put a title card on the lower third of the screen. I'm just putting a card. I'm just putting a sting that says 17 years earlier. Oh, I don't like that. Do a different voice. 17 years earlier. Oh, I like that one better. That was just his voice. What's that? That was slightly higher.

It was slightly higher. It was a Dave sounding pleasant. That was about 8% higher than usual. Dave, did you say this is your longest ever report before? I didn't say it on mic, but it off mic and on mic now, it is. So let's get into it. Is that that's Matt subtly telling me to shut the fuck up, I think? I went overboard with the research. A little bit overboard. I didn't think of that subtle. So that's it.

Actually, 20 years, so long and good luck. I don't recall saying good luck. Kirk went out in the fire. I'm the Kurt of this show. That is so brutal. All right, I'll let Dave speak there. Charles Augustus Lindbergh, Jr. What a name.

It was born February 4th, 1902, into Troint, Michigan. The son of Evangeline Lodgeland. That sounds son of Evangeline Lodgeland. That sounds mad. Evangeline Lodgeland. Lodgeland. Lodgeland are two separate names. That sounds like a theme park. Lodgeland.

It sounds like a free Mason themed theme park. The son of Evangeline Lodgeland, a chemistry teacher and her husband Charles Augustus Lynnburg Sr. who was a lawyer and later congressman for Minnesota from 1977 to 1917. That's ten years. That's right, and being a congressman? Well done. Well done. See?

Oh, man, does she do it? Well, I've started on my news resolution early and it's to get better at maths. Put your hands on the table. Use there a calculator and note, Abacus, oh, she's holding her phone. With the calculator app open. And it says equals 10. Okay.

Charles attended many schools throughout his life and eventually graduated in 1918 from Little Falls High School. Same school where his mum taught chemistry. Did you ask the little? Yeah, I was cute. Little falls. Oh. I throw out his childhood and teen out of GSC,

showed a keen interest in all things mechanical. He worked on his family's car and motorbike, and learned a lot from motorbike. I didn't learn a lot from that. Matt, this is Dave's longest report if you could just pipe down. Thank you. Yeah, okay.

And at the age of 18 years, well at the age of 18, he entered the University of Wisconsin to study engineering, to talk more about motorbikes. However, by this time Lindbergh had become fascinated by aviation, and after two years, he left school to become a barn stormer which is a pilot that performs dead devil stunts at fairs. Ooh, that's fun. Fun, well that was his plan. But he had a few flying lessons but didn't have enough money to own his own plane and

wasn't allowed to fly solar and so on else's plane. So we joined the circus in Jacksonville, Florida and saved up money performing as a wing walker. Oh. Back in the day when they'd have the wings and people would walk along them very, very dangerous. It's like a, obviously, a stunt. So he, to save up to buy his own plane, he risked his life by being a wing walker. That's, someone about, that's real cool. If someone was doing that today, like the Red Bull pilots or something, something I'd be like whatever, you know, I bet you could do that

But back then and the olden days with weird old planes. We didn't know that I could do that I was thinking more like a domestic jet star flight. Wow. I'd be like oh You're supposed to be there. There's something Finally that joke's funny. It's a reference to an old episode of Twilight Zone. Yes, and a reference to us talking about that reference and not getting it. On that other podcast, Primates, when we were talking about Ace Ventura 2, this time it's personal. Oh, whatever it was called. Back in the habit, please.

Yeah, please. So, he was a wing walker, saved up enough money to buy a Curtis JN4, okay, a Jenny, playing this for people called them, left over from the first world. Jenny. Yeah, that's what people called him. Right. Jenny. So, yeah, he's got his own plane.

He had less than 20 hours instruction when he completed his first solo flight. He practiced take-offs and landings for a week, then filled up with 40 gallons of gas and he set course for Montgomery, Alabama, 140 miles away to start his barns-dome in career where he was built as daredevil Lindbergh. So he's had 20 hours. And then he's like, great, I'm good to go. I'm just going to have a practice of my takeoff and landing, arguably the most important bit. And now I'm going to fly off and start charging money to do tricks.

So I don't know how to do, but I'll figure it out. You can barely fly a plane in a straight line and he's like, yeah, I'm your Daredevil. I can do a flip. To be honest, Daredevil's don't have to fly a plane in a straight line and he's like, yeah, I'm your dad. I can do a flip to be honest Dad, I was don't have to fly planes in a straight line Exactly and also he's risking his life every time he gets behind the plane. So it's really dangerous He people appreciate him flying badly. He's like, yeah, I'm doing it tricks. Yeah, look at him flipping over Yeah, I'm doing that some purpose Look at it. Whatever I'm doing that's on purpose. Yep. It's called a whoop-do-up.

Oh whoop-do-up. It's got a whoop-do-up. He's quick on his feet, Dave. Maybe take a little page at a Charlie's book. Someone's yelling, do a whoop-do-up. You want me to start doing a whoop-do-up? Yeah. Big or dead-able?

Yes. Because I'll do it. Oh, can I imagine Dave with a Mohawk? It's so close. And an eye-brow ring. His, you mentioned over the Mohawk. It's so close. And an eyebrow ring. His old daredevils have to combo. I don't know, I'm brow ring. He's a daredevil from 1998.

I think I would look quite good with an eyebrow ring. All right, let's try it. Oh, no. Back in your band days, I could pick you with it. Yeah, with your dark, your dyed black hair and your emo fringe. Definitely not that. I'm sad you outgrow that. Really?

Yeah, it's time for a resurgence, I feel. Matt, Dreadlock's a back thank you. And just what horrible hair could I do if you have? Nothing of always had excellent hair. I should say, I'd never had Dreadlock's. I had one Dreadlock. You had Dreadlock. It was gross and I wish you would stop talking about.

Never. I've moved on, it's about time you did. I will never move on. Dave, please move on. Have I told you when I remembered taking it out, I picked it out by hand, it took so long. I was home by myself, it was about 18 and 19 and I was watching an OC marathon.

and I was watching an OC marathon. They could be, they could, they can, they can change from like real grubby, gross guy to a member of society could not have been more complete by watching a marathon of the OC. Or from boy to man. Yeah, that day. It's beautiful. So not many people can pinpoint it. So it's quite special that you can. Yeah.

Thank you for sharing that. And did you say to yourself, welcome to the OC bitch? Yes, I did. So glad you did. So now, that was a barnstormer. Then in 1924, Linberger listed in the United States Army, so he could be trained as an Army Air Services Reserve pilot, not at war at that stage.

He graduated the following year and as the best pilot in his pilot, not at war at that stage. He graduated the following year and as the best pilot in his class, then he got a job as a male pilot flying between St. Louis and Chicago. I did get confused between male for a second there. Sorry, basically he's a male man in the air. Yeah, yeah. Postman. Postman. He's a postee. Now you think this would be a. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post. Post on with minimal delay. He gets the job done. I love that. This guy gets it. He gets it.

He's a doer. Yeah. I love that. As a doer myself. Yeah. I love recognizing another doer. Now aviation had been really growing since the right brothers who I did a whole report on he couldn't do, took their first flight in 1903 and then the First World War made

sure the technology improved at a rapid rate. With war now over, in 1919, Raymond or Tegg, a French-American hotelier and aviation enthusiast, and also philanthropist, announced a prize of $25,000, a huge amount of money equal to a close to $350,000 US today. For anyone that could fly nonstop between New York City and Paris or vice versa, a nonstop trans-agglatic flight. So those kind of, like when somebody like that goes, I'll offer this reward for this. Are they basically just trying to push, like, the technology to advance? Fast, like, motivate people to...

Yeah, or do they get the technology? Is it like, will buy the technology if you do it? Or is it just going, we want to bring science on? No, he was just so rich that he just was a fan. So, I've got here. Having made an enormous fortune with a chain of hotels in New York City, Orteg was fascinated by stories he'd heard from French pilots in World War I and developed a real passion for aviation and dreamt of how commercial air travel could benefit the world. So he was just a fan of the technology. I don't think he's going to get rich from it, but he's like 25 grand to me, he's nothing

and maybe it'll kickstart. Yeah, that's what I mean. So it's not that it's not just shits and gigs, it's probably kind of thinking if people are working towards this kind of goal, it will push the technology forward. Yeah, because now the technology is starting to stall, because everyone is trying to get the best plane. So, as always, what happens with big wars is technology advances in great leaps. Now, that's over. This is a great depression time. There's a lot of money flying around for these kind of things.

So, he's like, oh, just keep the money going. That's cool. Love that. He gets cool. Love that or turg. What if you're, if you are in America, please do say one of the fabulous or turg hotels. Oh, hotel or turg. Yeah. Is the sponsor of this episode. We will be invoicing that. They don't know the response.

So, but, you know, do you know, you don't know the hotel chain? Or did he, did he, a generation down, changes name to Hilton? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do a much more glamorous sounding name than Orteg. Orteg is beautiful. I love it.

No matter what you say. His most famous hotel was the Hotel Lafayette in York City. I've heard of that, I reckon. Sadly, it was demolished in the 1950s. I definitely wouldn't have heard of that. I've heard the word Lafayette. It's a person or something. That's right. When we saw Hamilton, a few weeks later,

we got a lot of characters in that. Yes. That would be it. French, revolutionary. French, what the one you liked. I can remember back to just a couple of... Did I say I liked them? No, you were confused because the same actor plays Thomas Jefferson.

Oh, right. And you thought that was the same person. Yeah, why is that change accent? Okay. I guess by now he's been America for a while, but you think it still have his French accent? Oh. Now, I should say, it should be noted that others had technically

completed nonstop transatlantic flights with the first being completed in 1919 by British aviators John Olcock and Arthur Brown. In 72 hours nonstop they traveled from Newfoundland in Canada to Galway in Ireland and received $10,000 from the Daily Mail for their exports. They're electrically, electrically heated flying suits failed, but coffee spiked with whiskey kept them warm and somewhat alert. You know when you're drinking whiskey and you're flying and playing? Some water left, that's where you want to be. There's photos of them having, quote, landed and the cockpit is down on the tailors up.

They've definitely crashed landed. I don't know why I laughed at that. Well they survived. It's funny. It's funny. So how many, she says 72 hours? Yeah. I don't know why laugh at that. Well they're so funny. It's funny. So how many, she says 72 hours? Yeah. Fuck that.

That's a long time to play. I can't, I don't want to be awake for that long. Long time in a plane like there would be a nice-ish plane to sit in. Oh yeah. And one that you're not flying. But you're in control and the cold time is just... Yeah, it would be so loud. It would be awful.

I mean, that's too long in first class. But at least they're getting drunk and a bit stimulated by the bean. Bean me up, Scotty, is what they said to each other. No one had yet traveled over the whole Atlantic. So Raymond Orteg, inspired by Alcock and Brown, traveling from Canada to Ireland, set up this huge prize to encourage people to try it

and try they did. And fail, they also did. But it was a serious challenge, a total of nearly 6,000 kilometers or 3,600 miles and was actually double the distance from Canada to Ireland. So a real step up and very dangerous. That's twice the amount.

Wow, is it? If my calculations are correct, I believe they are. Well, check Jess is calculator. Yeah, it says times two. Yeah. So it's very dangerous for pilots to attempt. The price wasn't offered for five years. And in that time, had zero competitors

as the technology just wasn't ready for it. So or take extended it another five years and then people began to attempt the challenge. The first attempt was French flying ace, René Fonc. Fonc? Fonc. Fonc. Fonc.

Fonc. René Fonc. I love that sound. I'm going to name him the freak. Freak the Fonc. Don't freak the Fonc. Is that not me anything to you guys? This is Dave's longest report. We got the funk. He was actually the Allies' best fighter pilot from the First World War, and second overall

only to the Red Baron. You've probably heard of? Yes. Yeah, it couldn't have kids. Real sad story. Oh, dear. Oh, kids, real sad story. Oh, damn. I really wanted them. Yeah, we don't have to go at that. Yeah, it'd be fun if you were the red barren, but you were never part of your plan. Red barren and, you know, just,

great. Just, you know, Mike and Ryan with that, what do you call it when you got no kids? Child, something like snake or something. What do you call it when you got no kids? Childs or something like snake or something? What? Some term like

Childless something Ack. Oh, something something anyway. Doesn't matter. Sad sack. Sad sack. You know who did have lots of kids? René funk.

René funk. He got the funk on the freak. However, the freak was less successful with the All-Take Prize, despite aircraft designer Igor Sikoski reportedly spending $100,000 on the plane. I love the name Igor. Remember, they're trying to win 25 grand and he spent a hundred grand on the plane

just because he wants to win so bad. And overall, the plane crashed on takeoff and two of René Fung's crew members were killed. Oh, no. But René himself survived. But that was the end of his dream. In 1927, three groups in the United States in one in Europe were known to be preparing attempts on the prize.

But none were successful and many ended in disaster. In total, six men in three separate crashes and another three were injured in a fourth crash. Wow. So, people haven't bad luck. Dink is what they call double income, no kids. Dink. Dink. That's a great baron.

But he was a sink, it was a single income. God bless him. What's going on? I'm gonna do just, I don't know what's going on. Meanwhile, our young plucky 25 year old Linbeard wanted to have his own crack at the Orteg prize. It had only been four years since his first sole lifelight, but he thought his mechanical expertise

could really get him across the line. Despite being very unknown in comparison to many of the pilots attempting the crossing, Linberg was able to get financial backing from a group of St. Louis businessman who helped him score a $15,000 loan and he also put in his own $2,000 life savings.

It's amazing how much money people are putting in to win that amount of money. Yeah, yeah, it's financially sometimes doesn't work out. But the fame. It's the fame. It's the fame. It's the fame. It's the fame. 17 grand to win 25 is not good odds unless it's a sure thing.

Though, if you do get it, that's, you know, it's a grand, that's happy days. And World Wide Fan. Yes. A Linberg chose Ryan Aeronautical Company of San Diego to manufacture a special plane which he helped design. They had to build the plane much faster than usual because people were trying to complete the challenge

all the time and they were worried that they'd be pipped at the post. So the plane was built in just 60 days. Wow. Officially known as the Ryan NYPE, standing for New York to Paris, a single engine monoplane was designed by Donald A Hall of Ryan Airlines. But it was nicknamed the spirit of St. Louis in honor of Lindbergh's financial supporters from St. Louis and this is what the plant is known to history as. That's not the Ryanair is it?

No. What a down hill. What a step down. Yeah. The spirit had extra fuel tanks added to it in order to be able to carry enough fuel for the super long haul flight. At Lindbergh's request, the large main and forward fuel tanks were placed

in the forward section of the fuselage in front of the pilot. This meant- This meant that the plane had no windscreen and when flying Lindbergh couldn't see. I'm not kidding. Which obviously sounds crazy. But he was used to mail blocking his vision anyway

and when flying the mail plane and this plane, he would use side windows and turn the plane if you wanted to see what was up ahead. So you just turn to the left. Look at the window. Oh, that's cool. All right, back on course. You also had a periscope built into the plane. So we can... I hope he alternates before you're checking the left and right. Otherwise, he's just always in shape slightly left. You also had a periscope built into the plane so we could see what was in front of him, but it's not clear if you actually used this at all. It was mostly for when his plane was underwater.

Just in case. And he needed to spy on his cartoon enemies. You could just see a big eye. Yeah. Yeah. Why can't you always see the eye of the periscope? Check out a big eye. Yeah. Yeah. Why can't you always see an eye? The ferris code. Check out that big eye.

Ferris code is the dumb. Summer ain't the weed. Anyway. You said it. Yeah, I think I'll take them down. I'll take that big submarine. They're weed. Why?

They're weed. Big Subma. They're so weird. Oh Just go under the water. Let's build a big metal fish So silly That silly I mean when you think about it, which is the first time I've really thought about what a submarine is and it's an underwater boat water submarines and it's an underwater boat. Matt is that right? It's like an underwater bus. Yeah, it's like something like that.

They're so silly. I don't think it's said. I mean, if you want to travel underwater, they make perfect sense. Why would you need to travel underwater? When is that quicker? I'm guessing it was at war? Yeah. To try to be...

Yeah, of course, but now why do we have... I mean, oh, it's at war? To try to be I'm yeah cause but now why do we have I mean oh it's a war now all the wars are right but I think is it to it's to find necklaces for Titanic? Oh yeah James Cameron is a big fan. Sorry yep I feel like an idiot you're right they have a huge purpose. Yeah thank you. They're really out there has connections with someone with a submarine. A live pod on a submarine. Let me in. Especially if it's all glass and you imagine that in all glass submarine you could just see everything everywhere. That'd be so cool. What's that Kelsey grammar movie? They want a submarine? X-Men 2. Yes. Is that right?

Oh, is it up Periscope? Yes. Down Periscope. Down Periscope. That's right. I can have seen that. Yeah, and the chef farts when they're trying to be quiet so that I get caught. Yeah, it's good stuff.

Kind of some good humor. Sorry to derail, but submarines are stupid. In summary. Please do go on. Well, this isn't about submarines, thankfully. Lindbergh also decided to go against the grain and avoid using multiple crew members. None of this is the best submarine. No, you brought up submarines, Jess.

Why did they come us against? Periscope. Periscopes. Periscopes are dumb. Well, yes they are. Lindbergh also decided to go against the grain and avoid using multiple crewmembers like the other failed attempts.

This made them heavier, but it also meant that they could share the flying. Lindbergh chose to fly solo, so he had to do it all on his own. He later said that the random movements of the unstable craft kept him awake. He also reportedly chose a deliberately uncomfortable wicket-chair to keep him awake

and flew with the windows open. Oh my God. awake. He also reportedly chose a deliberately uncomfortable wicket chair to keep him awake and flew with the windows open. Oh my God. He had a very little, he had very little room in the cockpit that was so small he couldn't even stretch out his legs. Oh no. That all sounds like a nightmare. It's torture. He was obsessed with keeping the weight down as well. He chose not to have a radio, which sounds crazy, but back then it was extremely heavy and very hard to use. He was also rumored to have cut the top and bottom off his flight map to save a few grams of weight. Oh my God.

Wow. I just wasted error on a map. The border, who needs it? And with him, now, good on him. I agree. Save them grams. And then open the windows up. You know, stop all that little bit extra weight,

get you there quicker, and then create drag by opening up your windows and turning yourself into a big parachute. I know, I am a scientist. I'm glad you're here. I'm always glad you're here, even without science. Thanks, yeah. His biggest rivals were Charles Nungasa. Nungasa. And Francois Collie, who left just under two weeks before him, and they were likely to be the first to complete the challenge. But they disappeared aboard the Luswab Blanc, the White Bird, somewhere on Root, and that has become one of the greatest aviation mysteries of all time. They never found them. They were two very famous pilots at the time. One of

them wore an eye patch and looks like a cool bad ass. I reckon they landed in the ocean submarine, picked them up. They love the sublife. Yeah. Living their best sublife, y'all. Yeah. Love a sub. Love a sub. If you're listening on YouTube, please subscribe. Love a sub. If you're listening on YouTube, please subscribe. The sad that every half an hour or so. But this didn't put off Lindbergh. So his enemies, so his rivals crashed probably, but this didn't put off Lindbergh. And finally, on the morning of May 27, 1927, it was go time.

He took off from a muddy Roosevelt field on Long Island, New York. He hadn't slept since 9 a.m. the previous day, but he just had to get going. What the fuck? And now you're gonna be awake for like 70 hours. Ah, because he was carrying so much fuel, he was so close to the maximum takeoff weight, he only cleared telephone lines at the edge of the field by 20 feet. So he only just managed to take off in time. Despite his tricks, not surprisingly, he started to feel tired three hours into the fly.

Yeah, no shit. And he was struggling to stay awake. It was up and down in terms of altitude and skimmed storm clouds at 10,000 feet at night, and then flew as low as 10 feet when he was off the Irish coast. 10 feet above the water. Four meters. No, why? He's just avoiding bad weather. So he's just skimming across the water like a boat. Or... Or... He was 10 feet under the water.

Do you think he was under the sea? I think so. He flew blindly into fog for several hours. So we couldn't see anything. Imagine that. Seven hours is gone. Oh, please be no mountain. He had to calculate his course by dead reckoning where basically work at half-hour, you've gone by calculating half-hour, so you've been traveling and in one direction.

It's not that accurate. It can be kind of dangerous. It works, but isn't super reliable, especially when you're flying over an ocean, and you can't match what you think you are with objects on the ground. So you can't be like, all right, if I'm in that spot, I should be able to see, oh, I should be able to see the ocean. I'm going to look at the other window. Yep, I should be able to see the ocean. I can't good. Okay.

If anything, he'd be concerned if you could see the land. Yes. So if anything, it's good. It should be good. Yeah. As long as it only can see his ocean, then he's good. And he also didn't have a radio, remember? So we can't contact anyone to confirm where he is.

Brilliant. Oh, I got a bit harder from here. From fatigue, he started hallucinating and falling asleep for a brief period as well flying in and above the fog Imagine that you pass that wake up. Oh, man, it's still in a plane. I'm still in a plane Yeah, you can't exactly pop it in autopilot and have a nap, can you? If you're just a 15 minute, you know little power nap But after 27 hours he spotted land and amazingly he was only three miles off course and he was

two and a half hours ahead of schedule. What? He landed at Le Boujet era d'rome at 10.22pm on Saturday, May 21st, having flown for a total of 33 and a half hours. But being awake for another 24 or so. 24 before that. Oh, nightmare, but amazing. He'd done it.

He made it. It sounds like a lot of luck. Would that be fair to say? It does sound like. He later said, like with the fog and stuff, I was taking a calculated risk. I'm not crazy. I wasn't risking my life. It's like, well, you were ever, I mean, like seven other people, eight other people have died trying to do with you to do 100% data pilots than you. Yeah, yeah, much more. Yeah. Experience and world famous. Bill Bryson writes, 100 mats. Love Bill.

Love Bill. We are, we're touring the Roman baths in Bath, and you could have an audio guide, which was like a, you know, just a normal one spoken by an unknown voice, or the Bill Bryson backstage spectacular. I say, I love Bill, I've read two of his books which were pretty good. That's, yeah, that's my praise. I think it's funny. I do.

I have to study for lit at uni. Did you? Yes. The first one. The one where he starts was saying, I come from De Moine. Someone had to. Something like that. Very good stuff.

It's a great start. Yeah. Strong. Strong start. Strong start. Well Bill Risen, he says initially that Charlottesling bed mistook the aerodrome for some large industrial complex because of the bright light spreading out in all directions. In fact, there were the headlights of tens of thousands of spectators cars who had been caught in the largest traffic jam in the history of Paris. They were all there to attempt to be present for his landing.

So that herty was coming, and they were ready for his arrival. You don't know exactly when he's coming though. No, that's what they're just waiting out. What? No, I needed an exact time, or I'm not going. Well, I think there was less on back then. No, I'd be checking the website, looking at the set times, going 9 p.m.

The set time. We'll get there at 8.30. So this is a band, so you know. This is a support act. Yeah, I assume another plane would land before him. You don't want to get there early, check out the merch. Depends. You want to get a good spot, right?

Depends. Up the front. Yeah. Depends on what? Depends on the want to get a good spot, right? Depends. Up the front. Yeah. Depends on what? Depends on the act. Yep. What if it's the first ever to do music like he is sort of. Wow.

Okay. Now that you put it like that, I'm going to drive out there every day hoping he arrives. 10s of thousands of people reading. Do you hear how fucking dumb he's now now? Yeah. Do you hear how fucking dumb you sound now? Do you hear that? Yeah, now that you've said that. Yeah, do you hear how dumb you sound? Now you've said dumb twice, yeah.

Something here. Dave, sorry about Dumb O over there. Well, Dumb O. That might be it. 10 of thousands of people turned up to Greek chaslinburg and perhaps as many as 150,000 I saw in some places. Either way the reception was huge and overnight Chaslinberg became one of the most famous names on planet earth. Or take the man who inspired all of this was vacationing in France at the time and

traveled to Paris immediately, where he met Linberg in a range for the price to be awarded. And his life after this was never the same. It's hard to fathom the level of sudden interest that surrounded him, but I'll try and put it into some perspective as from what I was reading. His mother's house in Detroit was surrounded by a crowd estimated to be about one thousand. That's just his mum's house. He's not there. He's in Paris, guys. What are they hoping to see? His mom. Again, Matt was right. There was a lot less going on like that.

The French foreign office flew the American flag, which is the first time it had saluted someone who wasn't ahead of state visiting. Speaking of heads of state, President Kelvin Coolidge awarded him the Distinguished Flying Cross and a special act of Congress awarded him the Medal of Honor, despite the fact that it was most always awarded for heroism in combat. This man, who a few weeks before, was a humble mailman,

had a 10 cent airmail stamp depicting him and the spirit and a map of the flight produced in his honor. So he's gone from delivering mail to now. He's on the mail. He was honored with multiple awards, including being promoted to the rank of Colonel and the Air Corps. There were banquets and parades where it's estimated that millions of people saw him. Millions turned out to welcome him.

On his return to America, there were 500,000 letters and 75,000 telegrams waiting for him. Oh, that's just too overwhelming. Yeah, imagine if you opened your emails and you had that many, I'd just shut the laptop and walk away to be able to probably throw it out a window. It's like just make it, this is very nice, but too much.

Dear Charles and Burke, stop. Congratulations on the flight, stop. Keep going, stop. Something like that. I believe in you, stop. Don't stop. I believe in you stop. Don't stop. Now, Lindbergh was honored as the first ever time magazine man of the year. First ever. First ever. Really? Contribute effect. Where he appeared on the magazine's cover at age 25,

January 2nd, 1928, and he remains the youngest ever person of the year. Really? First and youngest. Even younger than the computer or whatever. The computer was person of the year one year. Traveling around the country, he flew his famous plane to different cities where he gave speeches and participated in parades and the public just couldn't get enough. He wrote a best-selling book called We. Yes, in France. Oh, I assumed it's spelled W-E.

It wasn't just me that did this. It was a team effort. Oh, I was going AA. I thought it was because he pissed his pants. Yeah, we did, peace! Do you have a bottle at least? Oh, just pissing a bottle and throw it out the window. That, playing with Steve.

We just had a dribble through the wicker chair. That's another video of the wicker. Dribble through. Oh, beautiful. When you put a live, through the wicker chair. That's another beauty of the wicker dribble through when you put a light. No beautiful Matthew. Well done. That is that's beautiful. That is good stuff. Thing of beauty. Learned it from Bill Brasson. He's just got away with words. Traveling around the country he flew east now famous plane to different cities where he gave speeches and participated in praise. He had to fly himself there. And the public just couldn't get enough.

Like I said, he wrote the book called Wee, which sold more than 650,000 copies and earned Lindbergh more than $250,000 in royalty. So there's ten times the prize, which is the equivalent now of three and a half million bucks. So the investment was sound. Yeah. He went on a three month speaking to her to promote the book, flying from city to city to city.5 million bucks. So the investment was sound. Yeah. He went on a three month speaking tour to promote the book, flying from city to city in the city.

City to Syria. No city to city in the spirit of St. Louis. And this is what the book's Amazon blurb says. He can still buy a copy of we quote, the nation became obsessed with Lindberg during the tour in which he was seen in person by more than 30 million Americans, a quarter of the nation's then population.

More than Australia's now population. No other book before or since ever had such an extensive, highly publicized tour that helped promote a book that did Lindbergh's We of himself and the spirit during their 22,350 mile tour of the US. He visited 82 cities in all 48 continental states during which the nation's aviation hero delivered 147 speeches and rode 1,290 miles in parades. I can't actually fathom the recession.

Yeah, there's nothing that's happening in our life that would... That's that big. Yeah, give anyone. One in four in that whole country when in soren. How many books did he sell? But he only sold 650,000 good. I'd be pissed off. You'd be like 30 million people came out and like Oh, dad's doing math. Look at the cogs turning

Just beat him on your calculator. Like one in 50 board of book one in 50 It's not a great conversion rate for a bookseller. You got to move them units. Jess, you've written a few books. What a short conversion rate, like. My mom has bought all of them, thank you. Really? 100%.

100%. I get an A4 piece of paper. I fold it in half, and I make one side the front cover, and I write by a JCP on it and I draw the cover myself. Oh, that's your non-duplum. Oh, shit, I shouldn't have said that.

Oh, I'm giving it away. Now mumble, no, it's me. On their favourite author. I just got real page-turner, I've heard of it. Thanks a lot, Jess. I just can't get enough of these JCP novices. He could give me for Christmas. I've tried to find them online to get a few more throughout the year, but I just got real page 10, I've heard of this. Thanks a lot, Jess. I just can't get enough of these Jesse P. Novels. He'd give me for Christmas. I've tried to find them online to get a few more throughout the year, but they just sold out everywhere. I know, I know a guy. Mum, I'll sort it for you next birthday.

And then I'll write one for a birthday. How many words, you know, when we get in... Six! Well, can we, like, hear... I obviously don't want to give away the whole... Maybe the first two of six Dear mom We're talking about birthday cards. I can't wait

Hey, you call them birthday cards. I call them a one-watted novel What a waltz is that one? Mummy's favorite book awards And when how long is this when you were like how old? So you've won multiple mummies. Yes. That's amazing. I'm a multi mummy winner. MMW. I've been alone all day. Can you tell? This is nice to be around people. Dave please go on with the longest report you've ever written. I'm sorry we're in ridiculousness. I mean, at this point, you could say that was the report on the Charles Limberg spirit

of St. Louis flight. That's right. But there's more. Oh, there is more. There is more. So he's done the tour, which Sidenote was organized and funded by Harry Guggenheim from the famous Guggenheim family. Many famous art galleries now.

During this time, Lindbergh was commonly nicknamed the lone eagle and lucky Lindy, a nickname he apparently hated. Didn't like being seen as lucky. Yeah, it makes sense. There's nothing very definitely wrong. Nothing lucky about that. Yeah. That was fair bit of luck.

Yeah, I'm confident the luck was involved. Lindbergh's historic flight really helped promote aviation as a whole and led to a 300% increase in the application for pilots licenses and a 400% increase in the number of licensed aircraft in the United States in the space of one year. So you can leave a similar kind of percentage influence on podcasts. Everyone's going there. They didn't three years ago. Australian, the TV show's 60 minutes as a podcast now.

Oh, you've got a TV show. What, the TV show's 60 minutes has a podcast now. You've got a TV show. What's the end goal, 60 minutes? You've already, you've got a TV show that's been on the air for four decades. You're good. What, you're fine. Yeah. You don't need to branch air. Get off our toes, you mean it?

Get off our fucking toe. We will break your face. Like, let's do a do-go on TV show called 61 minutes. Yeah. Oh, 69 minutes. Right. Yeah, that's a nice title. Why?

That's. With ad breaks, really, you just get a little bit. Oh, it's a TV 69 minutes, yeah. A TV 69 minutes. And we'll get. So it's a two-hour show. We get 23 minutes each. You can do whatever you want with your 23 minutes.

I'm gonna write a book. I'm on air. Yep. We can do whatever we want. So, in summary, at this stage in his life, he's huge. He's bigger than the Beatles. The Beatles aren't around you though, right? That's why he's bigger than the Beatles.

Okay. Makes it a lot easier. It does. But he was huge. That's why it's bigger than that. Okay, makes it a lot easier. It does. But he was huge. That's incredible. So everything's going great and he's on top of the world. Now Holy needs is a partner in crime to share it all with. He's getting into crime. Love that.

Love that. What do you get a man who's got everything? It's kind of something. Hey, I got you this. Crime. I got you some crime. I know you already got your own watch, but if you got a stolen watch, you're going to do time for this timepiece. All right.

Sixty minutes. At the request of the US government, Linberg flew to 16 different Latin American countries in December, 1927 as a symbol of American goodwill. What a beautiful symbol. I'm going to visit you. Hey, here's our guy. During his trip to Mexico, he met and spent some morrow. The daughter of Dwight W. Morrow. The Morrow Bar. Love a morrow. You're a morrow fan. It's spelled differently.

Oh, sorry. That morrow's a good, aren't they? Morrow's a good. Some people call them the poor man's Mars, but I like it. I think they're good. They're the rich man's something else. Milky bar. Because it's got the caramel in it. Yeah, that's the bad one.

Milky way, so that meant. The rich man's time out. Okay, not a waste of your time. Basically, so anyway, back to Charles. In Mexico, he married Anne Spencer Moro, as the daughter of Dwight W. Moro, the American Anne Basterda in Mexico. They married in a private ceremony on May 27th, 1929.

Charles taught his new afterfly, and they went on many flying expeditions together throughout the world, charting new routes for various airlines. I always admire couples who find a way to live and work together. I think that is, it brings its own set of challenges, but with that, it's own set of rewards. Son and share, Hillary and Bill Clinton. Yeah.

Possum bags, clowns. Possum bags. Possum bags. I always get a posh and back. Possum bags. And I always get shot down. Some glad you went with me there, thank you. No, But what?

What they don't live together, they don't work together, they don't love together. I mean, love is work, but they get it done, you know. If you want your relationship to work, it's going to take work. Yeah. They don't call it work for nothing. Preach. Thank you. If you want to come to my love seminar, you can go to the same website, Dave Grote,

before four tickets. Do go on pot.com. Yeah, it'll also be at the live Melbourne International Comedy Festival show. I'm going to do inside of that. I'm going to do a quick love seminar. Love seminar. Really hoping we can hold you to that.

We will not remember. No, but somebody will. Someone will just yell out half a tour of a report. Love seminar. Thanks for coming out half a tip of a report. Love seminar. Thanks for coming out. I'll take this one. What if you just gave one tip each week? Great. For how to be a good partner.

Just how to be a good partner. One tip. I'll do some research. You give out a couple of tips. Oh hang on. You get it? I'm going to be a great segment on our TV show. Sixty-nine minutes. Love tip. Love tip. Love tip it? Uh-huh. I'm going to be a great segment on our TV show, 69 minutes.

Love tip. Love tip. Love tip. Baby, love tip. Hey, if you're distracting yourself now. Sorry, thank you. So are they flying? They got me in the fight again then.

And also became the first American woman to earn a first class glider pilot's license. So she's a bit of a fan of her own right. She's sick. I love her. Because her name is Anne, like all the best people. Linberg, Linberg closed the chapter on his headline grabbing flight. When a year and two days after the journey, Linberg flew the spirit of St. Louis from St. Louis to Washington, D.C., where he donated the plan to the Smithsonian

institution. And it's been on display there ever since. Oh, he should go. Go get there. They still have, isn't that so cool? So in 90, you know, often it's like it takes a long time before it becomes famous. Yeah. He flew it there, it said there you go and it's been like one of their, they've also got one of the right flyers from the right brothers. Wow. One of their most famous exhibitions ever since. We should go touch it. Can I lick it? Drinking. Yeah. Thank you. Gosh, you can. I don't know. Let me lick the skin book. Oh. I don't bring that up.

When is there way you were talking about me and Jess and everyone in the world? Yeah, and the fact that it was behind glass. No, but it did not stop me looking the glass. We know, buddy. We had to escort you out. You had to escort me. Yeah.

So, is don't know the spirit of St. Louis, but Charles continued to overachieve Britannica rights. When he was not flying, Lindbergh worked with Nobel Prize winning surgeon Alexis Carroll. Alexis Carroll on the development of the perfusion pump, a device that allows organs to be kept alive outside the body. While the perfusion pump did not see widespread use, it demonstrated the feasibility of preserving organs through artificial means and acted as a precursor for the heart lung machine. So now he's inventing ships. In 1930 Anne gave birth to their birth to their first child, a son,

named Charles Augustus Lindbergh, Jr. Now the third one, the last. Yeah, right. So it's not Jr. Jr. It's just Jr. Drinking they called him Cal, because that's his initials. I think you have to think about that when you know me, kid. Think about the initials. I say to my parents, I'm JAP. Oh, okay.

Yeah, from the great character from Plaro. Yeah, you're right. Spectre JAP. Oh, okay. Yeah, from the great character from Plaro. Yeah, you're right. Spectre JAP. Oh, they're good. Oh, right, Plaro. Get out of here, Plaro. This is a police work. Plaro. Plaro.

If you haven't seen it, that's very accurate. And if you have seen it, that's not very accurate. Well done. So now onto basically this is part two, Chaselynburg, the life, the story. In 1932, the family moved to a home in rural New Jersey. You would join me to escape the press coverage that followed them everywhere. They're hip, they're happening. They're likely it's cuffle.

But the press won't go to New Jersey. Oh, no, thank you. We really want paparazzi, but. What was that quite about Des Moines that that guy? Somebody had to become there. Yeah, yeah, from I was born in Des Moines, someone had to be or something like that. That guy.

Who was it again? Bill Pryson. Bill Pryson. Yeah, nice. So they went to New Jersey. They were building a larger state. Basically, big walls, big lands, so people can't get close to them in their family. The home was not yet finished though, and they went and stayed at these state on the weekends only.

On Tuesday, on March 1st, 1932, the family decided to stay the night for the first time on a weeknight because Little Charlesburg, Linberg, Jr. was sick and they didn't want him to have to travel. Sure. Apart from that, and normally everything seemed normal. Then the absolutely unthinkable happened. At about 10pm that- Submarine. Close. That was thinkable. You thought it. Dave's going to say something that's unthinkable. So how's he going to say it? You're not going to be able to guess it. Well, he can read, it's not un thinkable. You thought it. Dave's gonna say something that's Unthinkable. So has he inside it? You're not gonna be able to guess it. Well, he can read it. It's not unreadable. Hi icons. It's Danny Pellegrino from the pop culture podcast everything iconic and I love Nordstrom No place better to shop particularly during the holiday season because they have everything they have holiday decor at Nordstrom They have cozy cardigans from Barefoot Dreams, my fav.

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Well let's see. He knows it so he can think it. Why don't you think he can think he's got no memory of it? What? That's my note. Okay, it's written down here for me. At about 10pm that night, it was discovered that the 20-month-old Charles Lindberg, Jr. had been kidnapped. Okay, Dave, what did you just say? What?

You just said a sentence. What was it? Dave? Are you okay? Sorry, I just pick up from where I left off. At about 10 pm that night, I was discovered that the 20-month-old, Charlottesland, Bergdunia had been kidnapped.

Huh, interesting. I've never heard that before. Ha, ha, ha. And, Oh, no. I know, honestly, this is a pretty sad part of the story. I'm sorry.

At 7.30 pm, the family nurse Betty Go. Go. And you don't want to get around, go. I knew that would make the family nurse Betty Goh. Goh? I knew that would make you go. Betty Goh. Geo? Geo. That's not a fucking name.

It's a beautiful name. Betty Goh. Betty Goh. Oh my goodness. Well Betty Goh had gone and put little Charles to sleep at about at 7.30 as I said. Then at 9.30pm, Charles Lindbergh's senior was in the library just below the baby's room

and heard a noise that he imagined to be slats breaking off a crate in the kitchen. Don't know why that's normal to him, but he was like, that's nothing. Not at 9.30pm. Back then, a lot of things were delivering crates to kitchens, a little fact there. But now the boy was gone.

He had been taken from the second floor bedroom. A search of the premises was immediately made Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades.

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Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. Trades. of the end of the number, not the star, and all the numbers I've written like that. Ready, spelled R-E-D-Y. In $20 bills, $15,000 in $10 bills, and $10,000 in $5 bills. After two to four days, we will inform you where to deliver the money, M-O-N-Y. We warn you for making any ding public or for the police, spelled with an S. The child is in gut care. I think good care.

Oh. Indication for all letters are signature and three holds. Don't know what I'm saying that last bit. I think that's means at the bottom of the night there were two interconnected blue circles surrounding a red circle with a hole punched through the red circle and two more holes to the left and right. That was the original master card symbol. So that was just saying we do accept cards. We do accept credit card. It was almost like some sort of signature or calling card. Right. Okay. I

think I would in my head this might be naive, but I imagine back then, um, literary standards weren't as high, maybe in schools and stuff. So maybe it's just, just an uneducated crime, maybe, yeah. Well, it's not that wild, but it's like, like, like them, they're not crazy spelling mistakes. It just a few, like, um, phonetically, spelled words like police with an ass stuff like that. Classic Matt always defending the kidnappers. Well, I don't want to do that.

I'm just wondering, you know, what, what, what got them to that point? And why are you wondering that Matt? Because you feel sorry for them. I don't know. Look, I just, you're know, what got them to that point. And but why are you wondering that, Matt, because you feel sorry for them? I don't know. Look, I just you just siding with the people. I'm not siding with them. I hope that this turns out really well in the next sentence or so. 50,000 is the equivalent of hundreds of thousands of dollars now. It was a huge amount of money, especially during the great depression. People are really struggling. During the search, at the kidnapping scene,

traces of mud were found on the floor of the nursery. Footprints, impossible to measure, were found under the nursery window. Impossible to measure, because they didn't have a measuring tape on hand or... I just think that it was so muddy that they couldn't get a footprint. Yeah, okay. Also found was two sections of a homemade but ingeniously designed wooden ladder that had three parts that slotted together to make it easier to travel with. So that's how they got to the second floor of the house from the outside. It was clear that they'd obviously put a lot of planning in. One of the two sections was split or broken where it joined the other, indicating that the latter had been broken during the Ascent or Descent. The police dusted

for fingerprints but none were found, neither was any blood. Word of the horrifying crime quickly spread and became huge news. The Linberg family, who basically are kind of like the American royal family this day, they're so famous, were inundated by offers of assistance and false reports and clues. Even El Capone, famous mobster, offered his help from prison. There was huge speculation that the crime was the work of other mobsters. Capone offered assistance in return for being released from prison under the pretense that his assistance would be more effective, but his offer was denied. Can I go for an early guess theory?

Please. So they were just building the house, right? So people who might know the layout of the house could include people who are hired to build it, whether it's like one of the, you know, trades people, somebody working on the house. Maybe the architect. Architect knows the layout of the house.

Otherwise, how would you know? It's a big place. Maybe someone in Council who approved the plans. Maybe. Maybe someone with a big pair of binoculars. Oh, or a periscope, a land periscope. A giant periscope. There was no immediate word from the kidnappers.

So Lindbergh made widespread appeals for the kidnappers to start negotiations. Various underworld characters were dealt with an attempt to from the kidnappers, so Lindbergh made widespread appeals for the kidnappers to start negotiations. Various underworld characters were dealt with in attempts to contact the kidnappers. So, he went to the mobsters and said, if you know anything, let me know. Yeah. Then a second ransom note, a raft or mail on March 6, 1932, it had been postmarked in Brooklyn in New York on March 4 and contained the same red circle signature, so they were like, this is genuine.

In the second letter, the ransom demand was increased to $70,000. Chaslinburg, the Colonel and American hero, didn't trust the police and used his influence to control the investigation himself. He hired his own private investigators as well. He even kept the ransom notes and his correspondence with the kidnappers secret from the police. So people have since questioned whether he himself had something to hide. They're not involving the police, like not inviting the police into. He's world. Yeah.

What's he? What's it? What's in it for him? Well, we can talk about some theories. But then the third ransom note was received by Colonel Linberg's attorney two days later, and the letter informed the family that the person that they'd offered as an intermediary would not be accepted. So they said, okay, how about our friend, Frank, or whatever his name is, he'll be the one that delivers the money and negotiates with you, and they said, we don't,

we don't want to deal with that guy. Right. That's wrong. We don't know who Frank's. Frank Sinatra. We don't. Yeah. Is the Arthra. Who's a Frank Sinatra? We don't know. Yeah. Here's a chairman of the board. I would have got him involved. Oh, Pooice. Why would we not get him involved? We don't want to meet Frank Sinatra, okay.

We do. You're lost. God, they're criminals and stupid. Yeah, criminally stupid. That's been a part of it. So, the guy that they've offered has been denied. And on that same day, a man called Dr. John F. Condon. Condon? Condon? It is condom with an end instead of an amethyst.

Dr. John F. Condon, who I hadn't realized that, finally, that isn't till now, a 72-year-old retired school principal, oh god. Oh no. Mr. Condon. They were the kids that had called him Dinger for sure. Mr. Condon. They were the kids that had called him Dinger for sure. Dinger. A Dinger. Do a New York, is this a New York accent? Do a New York accent say Dinger. A Dinger.

I'm Dinger here. Well, that was Jersey. They're all the same today. Very close. I don't even know what Jersey is. The next day at a cross. Anyway, Dr. John F. Condon, who was a 72 year old retired school principal that did not personally know the Lindbergh.

His first name means toilet and his last name means dinger. He has a sense for fuck. John Fondon, toilet fuck Condon. John, what are you putting out here? So he published a letter in the Bronx Home News, a newspaper at the time, that offered his services to act as a go-between the Lindberghs and the kidnappers and even offered to pay an additional $1,000 ransom himself if they chose him. Wait, why?

Just a random guy, he thought, maybe I could help him out. I'll be the intermediary. And the way he volunteered was by publishing a note in the newspaper. And he said, if you want to get in contact, this is my address. And I'll pay you for the, or he's saying, pay me a thousand or all. He would say, I will pay you a thousand dollars if you pick me. What? I don't. Yeah, it's weird.

Well, the following day, the fourth ransom note arrived and it arrived at the House of Dr. John Condon. So the kidnapper saw the letter and went, okay, they indicated that he would be acceptable as a go between. The letter was deemed authentic as it also contained the red circle signatures. The Linbergs, hearing this subsequently also authorised Dr. John Condon to act as their intermediary, just this random guy. Who put a letter in the newspaper. And the kidnappers went, yeah, we'll go with him and then Lindbergh went, yeah, okay, we'll go with him.

That does seem a bit strange. But he did have a history. Like a school principal is a pretty trustworthy kind of family. Yeah, apparently he was highly respected in the community. It did appear like he just wanted to help. But still, such a weird thing to do. From that point on, a series of communications between Dr. Condon

and the kidnappers followed all through the newspaper, all the keep publishing letters to each other. Condon used the name Jafsi as a moniker, because which is derived from his initials JFC. So that was his code name. So the kidnappers would know they're talking to the real, because I imagine anyone can put a letter in the newspaper, but his was JFC.

Following the kidnappers' latest instructions, Condon placed a classified ad in the New York American reading, quote, money is ready, JFC. It's crazy, this is from the FBI website in the case, which has a great article on it. At 8.30pm, on March 12, after receiving an anonymous telephone call, Dr Condon received the fifth round of note delivered by Joseph Perone, a taxi cab driver, who received it from an unidentified stranger.

The message stated that another note would be found beneath a stone at a vacant stand 100 feet from an outlying subway station. This note, the sixth letter, was found by Condon as indicated. So it's now through a spy shit. A random taxi driver delivers a note to you that says, go to this place, you'll find another note and that will tell you where we meet. That's almost like a fun game. A wild goose chase.

No fun game than a goose chase. I could not agree more. Oh, those things are crazy violent. The sixth letter instructed Jafsi to meet one of the kidnappers late at night at the woodland cemetery. Oh, that's why it was a cemetery. Made on a submarine.

Oh, you're back on what submarines? I don't know how I feel about that. I think you're in board submarines. Yeah, if you're on and it goes under, you're a big boy. Oh, there. Hold on. Hold your breath. Hold your hat.

I don't lose that hat. Bloody up. I hope you can swim. He traveled to the cemetery with a bodyguard until he met the kidnapper and he had to meet him alone. There was a man calling himself John, who had a European accent. The two men discussed the ransom and how it would be paid.

Jeff C wanted proof that the baby was alive before they paid the money. So they parted ways. Jeff C soon received a seven letter that contained baby Charlie's sleeping suit, proof that they were dealing with the real kidnappers. Right, doesn't prove he's alive and now proof that he's naked.

Yeah, that's right. I doubt that when they kidnapped him, they also packed nappies and some changes of clothes and so now the kid's naked and possibly alive. Oh, I want to really tragedy thing is, um, Charleston makes wife and she published in the newspaper an instruction of his diet and what she fed him every day in case the kidnappers saw her and could keep up his, what he usually eats. Tragic.

Several more letters were delivered over the next few days until it was finally time to make the payment to the kidnappers. $50,000 was raised, and the ransom was packaged in a wooden box that was custom made in the hope that it could later be easily identified. The money was cleverly paid in gold certificates, which is a form of payment that was about to be withdrawn from circulation and no longer accepted at a lot of places. This would hopefully mean that the kidnapper would have to get rid of them quickly and also draw attention to themselves for using an unusual form of currency. People remember you paying in gold, gold certificates rather than just cash.

Like if somebody pays with a check now and you're like, Why? What are you hiding? Yeah. The bills were not marked, but their serial numbers were recorded in the hope to be recognized later. Yeah. The 11th ransom note was delivered to Jeff C on April 2nd, 1932 by another unidentified

taxi driver who had received it from an unknown man. Dr. Condon found the 12th ransom note under a stone in the front of a greenhouse in the Bronx as instructed in the 11th note. How long has this been going on for by now? Sorry. The baby's graduated hospital. It's been going on for over a month. The baby is a man. Over a month. Yeah. Yes. Oh my god. Yes, we start of The baby is a man. Over a month. Yeah. Yes. Oh my God. Yes, we start of March and hour into April.

This is insane. Imagine the stress of the family. Hold on. Oh God. Shortly thereafter, after receiving the 12th letter, on the same evening by following the instructions in that note, Condon again met Kidnapper John. He explained that he only had $50,000,

even though the second letter lasts for $70,000. Kidnapper John. He explained that he only had $50,000 even though the second letter at us was $70,000. Kidnapper accepted it. The money was handed to the stranger in exchange for a 13th note, containing instructions that said the Kidnapp child could be found on a boat named Nelly, near Martha's vineyard in Massachusetts. The stranger then walked north into the park woods. The stranger then walked north into the park woods. Lindbergh himself led the search of Nally. Sadly, nothing was found. The team of investigators were forced to concede that they had gained nothing in return for the ransom and the kidnapper had vanished.

The trail went cold for a number of weeks after this, but then on May 12, 1932, William Allen, an assistant truck driver pulled over for a nature break. And whilst in the bushes not far from the road, he discovered the partly buried body of a toddler. No! Sadly, it was Charlie, and he was ultimately found less than five miles from his home. The body was badly decomposed, but positively identified. The coroner's examination showed that the child had been dead for about two months, and the cause of death was a blow to the head. It appeared as though he had died on the night of

the kid napping, and that's whole thing had been aroused. Oh no! Charles Lindbergh insisted on an immediate cremation, which some people questioned, but I can understand. Tell me they find them. Tell me they find them. The US Bureau of Investigation, which is now the federal Bureau of Investigation FBI, had until the discovery of the body been acting in a purely advisory capacity. That is because it actually hadn't been a federal crime at this point. So they couldn't involve themselves too much. But then on May 13th, President Herbert Hoover authorised the Bureau to serve as the primary federal agency on the case,

and the full resources of the US Department of Justice were committed to the investigation of the crime. They were like, all right, it's now to murder. We've got to solve this. Murder and extortion and... All sorts of stuff. Oh, man. This is fucked, Dave. What are you doing? People are wanting to learn about, like, like about my little party is something, you know? Or a man who goes on a nice play trip and then wants a book.

Stop there! Somebody's like 25. Enough! He's done enough. I'm not happy with you, bro. You could have stopped in part one. No, Dave, I understand what you're doing. And I is an amazing and interesting story. Please continue despite Matt having his head in his hands. Can I go on? Yeah. Otherwise it will forever made unsolved. So I get it. No, we're going to solve it. Household, well,

I'll give you the facts of it. Household and estate employees were repeatedly questioned and investigated and police started to suspect an inside job. The Linbergs had been in their new Jersey home on a Tuesday for the first ever time. So how did the kidnappers know that they would even be there and which bedroom that Charlie would be sleeping in on the second floor of the land? That's what I said. Yeah, how do they know? How do they know?

Because it's out of the, it's yeah, out of the, not really routine. Because even if you said someone was, someone in the bushes, like how would you know, like it's not, it's not a routine at all. Not a never there on what she's saying. It's just they happen to be sick. Violet sharp a waitress in the home of Mrs. Lindbergh's mother, Mrs. Dwight Morrow, was under investigation by the authorities.

She apparently seemed nervous when questioned and had given contradictory testimony regarding her whereabouts on the night of the kidnapping. She committed suicide by swallowing a silver polish that contained potassium cyanide when she was about to be interviewed again. Again, this looks very suspicious on her behalf. However, her movements on the night of March 1, 1932 had been carefully checked and it was soon definitely ascertained that she had no connection with the abduction. Even if like information? Well police were later criticized for their tactics

and it appeared that she took her own life out of fearing losing her job and the threat posed by the police. It was just the, wow, just the stress of the whole situation made us so anxious. Yeah, and it's also been speculated over the years that she may have felt guilty for possibly

accidentally tipping off the kidnappers about their movements Maybe telling a stranger at the shops about what they were doing that night that week and that she felt so guilty that you know She felt like it was a fault and then when the police are like did you do it? Did you do it? You know obviously you had to have a breakdown God so but they're thinking inside job at this stage a pamphlet of the security numbers of all the gold certificates that kidnappers had was given to each employee handling currency in places like banks, grocery stores,

insurance companies, that kind of places. And everyone that got given the pamphlet were asked to keep a lookout for the certificates. For a long time, none turned up, but then finally, a lead. On September 18, 1934, a man hat in bank teller noticed a gold certificate from the ransom, matched the numbers up, and in the margin of the bill was a New York license plate, and the name of a gas station manager. It had been written there by the manager of a gas station who had then cashed the certificate. The gas

manager had written down all the license number because his customer was acting quote suspiciously and was possibly a counter-fitter. He just happened to write down the number plate in case that guy turned out to be dodgy. The license plate was tracked down to Richard Hauptmann, a German immigrant who had been living in the US and working as a carpenter for 11 years. He was then arrested. He was found to be carrying a single $20 gold certificate, but then when his house was searched over $14,000 of the ransom money was found in his garage. Howman claimed that friend had given him the money to hold on to and that he had no connection

to the crime. But they put him on trial and it was absolutely sensational and was dubbed the trial of the century. I bet. This took place in Flemington, a small town in central New Jersey, a town of only about 2700 people. Then the trial started, 700 reporters, cameramen, and videographers descended on the place. There were also 5,000 spectators, nearly double the population of the town. Imagine owning an Airbnb or something. Oh, you can cash in.

She's got a little motel, hotel holiday in. You are booked out, your book solid. Oh. And it turned to your wife Margaret and you're like, we're going on a holiday this year, honey. And she's like, what's a holiday? We've never had one of those. And you're like, well, now we are.

But she knew, she was just a bitch. She knew, she was already looking through pair foot, she was, she was a big, oh, what do you mean? She's already like buying new swimsuits. A multiple suits. Yeah, I like a style. Yeah, well with one sweat, you go from the dry one.

Yeah. Come on, Garza make me explain how to travel to you. There's nothing quick-dried. The boardies weren't invented yet. No. Nothing worse than wet clothing when you're going swimming. Oh, I'm a hi-tit. Awful.

Yuck. So the trial started and a turnout help man had a criminal record in Germany. He was arrested for stealing scripts of leather. As he was awaiting trial, he escaped from prison, leaving his prison clothes neatly folded in his cell with a note that read, best wishes to the police. Oh, you cheeky little shit. What cheeky bastard?

He was also rumored to have used a ladder to climb into the mayor's house to steal money and watches. Ah, so he knows what a ladder is. And it also once held up to ladies pushing a pram and a baby at gunpoint to rob them. Oh, well. So he's got no compassion for babies. That's right, so he had formed for ladder crime

and crime against babies. He sounds like a definite guy. Is he the one? After he escaped from jail, he'd stowed away on a steamship that then lied his way through US immigration. Wait, wait, oh, this is on his way. Yeah, so this is how he got to America.

So he escaped from prison and then got on a ship, stowed away, then got to America and lied about and back then it's obviously a lot harder to look people's criminal records up. And they were like, all right, come on in. All right, you say you're not lying? And you work? Yeah. I've never lied in my life.

All right. Well, checks out. That seems to be you're sure you're not lying. And you work? Yeah. Never lie to my life. All right. Well, check that. That seems to be it. You sure you're not lying? Oh, no. If you're lying, you have to tell me. That's the rule. That's the rule.

I'm a lawyer in America. How do you a cop? Because you have to tell me? Yeah, I am. I'm a federal agent. I'm wearing a uniform. So I'm asking these questions. Apart from the money fanning's possession,

which is obviously fairly damning, other circumstantial evidence was used against him. Examination of the ransom notes by handwriting experts resulted in virtually unanimous opinion that all the notes were written by the same person and that the writer was of German nationality. What? They can narrow the down.

It's been some time in America, just with the phrasing and putting, that were the symbols that mean that kind of mean. Sure. Thought a European immigrant or a German immigrant. I was thinking before, like, because technologies moved so far, I would try and change my writing.

So I was like, I'll just write my right hand. And then I was like, they'd know that now, wouldn't they? They'd be like, this isn't written with their natural hand. They preferred hand. This is a left hand or writing right hand. A lot of you spent 10 years training up your right hand. And no one ever knew that you could also ride with your right. Well, they know now, fuck head.

Shit! What about, what do you use your mouth? Yeah. Like, how do they identify that? Yeah, I don't know if I can. Someone in the Simpsons did that. I think it might have been the danger man riding a little bit of bat when he got it.

It was a fool pass it up in hospital. After jumping to the pool with swimming wands, which I reckon we mentioned on here once a month. Lance Murdoch. Lance Murdoch, there, Bart. When he's not an action, he's an traction, traction, traction. He's okay, folks. So they've identified that a German wrote the notes.

That's why it's to me. Our tool marks on the latter use in the kidnapping appeared to match tools owned by Halmann, found in his house, and a wood expert was engaged to examine the latter use in the kidnapping. The wood used in the latter matched a missing beam from the floor in Halmann's attic. Okay.

So it's missing a piece of wood that... Why is this case? I'd be saying my double down. Yeah, I've heard enough It was we've got more evidence don't need it. No, here. I'll just read it out to sink as it was also I sustained that he was in possession of a Dodge sedan Automobile which answered the description that had been seen in the vicinity of the Lindbergh home the day prior to the kidnapping Yeah, did they have muddy boots? Additionally condon aka Jafsi, the intermediary between the kidnapper and Linbergs, his telephone number was found written on a closet door frame

in Halftman's home. Oh, for fuck's sake. Why are you? When they asked him, and it also said his name, and they said, how did it get there? He said, oh, I must have read to the newspaper and just written it down. I've been following the case. I've been, you know, I've been into the case, you know, I've been trying to maybe solve it myself. Super sus. His face also looks a lot like the sketch that was done based on Jafsi's description of the man he'd met in the cemetery. And then Jafsi unequivocally identified

how it meant as the John that he'd met and given the ransom money to. Oh my God. Charles Limberg himself took the stand testifying that you recognize Hauptmann's voice from the night of the ransom payment. It was all adding up against the German suspect. Oh no, but I feel like there's a butt coming. Pretendika writes, when defensive turneys called Hauptmann

to the witness stand, he professed total innocence, claimed that he'd been subjected to beatings by the police and stated that he'd been forced to produce hand-writing samples that matched the ransom notes. That's what he said. But after more than five weeks of testimony and 11 hours of deliberation, the jury returned to guilty verdict on February 13, 1935,

and Haltman was sentenced to death. Haltman, denying until the end any involvement in the crime was executed by electric chair a little over a year later on April 3, 1936. This guy's life took a real turn, you know, so interesting in that part one. Fascinating. What if I told you that there is a part three? Fuck me!

It's a crazy life. So how it meant his wife lived decades on, beyond him, never took her wedding ring off and always said no, my husband's innocent. It wasn't him, wasn't him until she died, only a couple of decades ago. But it sounds like it's not at all disputed. But over the years, as you can imagine, with a K-stub, the crime of the century, many theories have been put forth. Dozens of books, documentaries on the kidnapping. In 2005, the True TV show Forensic Files, True TV is the name of that network. I'm not trying to say that, it's true.

But the Forensic Files reexamined evidence from the Lindbergh case. Both of their forensic document examiners concluded that Halpman had written the rounds of notes, and their would-grand expert found that the rail from the kidnappers ladder had come from his attic. So books have been written saying it wasn't him that he was set up, that he's a patty or this kind of stuff. Books have also been written about how Charles Sr. himself was involved, that maybe he'd accidentally killed his son and then faked this letter, fake these, this stuff to sort of cover it up.

I personally don't buy into that, but I've just got to say in case there are already people listening on that are like, I reckon he was set up. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Just when they're, because I'm gone, obviously all this evidence points directly to him, but that if he was set up then, you know, riding the phone number on his wall, but he'm not saying, I did do it because I'm following the case, makes it more sus than him going, I swear I didn't write that. I did not write that.

But even then, would you fully believe someone? Yeah, that's right. And also, because I kind of like Jeff see the guy that met him. Obviously, he's pretty keen to say it's definitely him. So even him positively identifying him. To me, I'd be like, oh, maybe that's him just wanting to find the murderer. But stuff like the wood, he had the wood

that matched in his house. He had the gold in his garage. Yeah, that's the big one. Yeah, you had the money and he said, and there's other stuff I've read like, he stopped working soon after the kidnapping and that he went back to Germany on an expensive holiday with his wife and it's like,

oh, he's never been wealthy before, just little things like that. And he's saying like, oh, a friend is getting me to hold them. Okay, well, who's your friend? Oh, well, it turned out that the friend had conveniently died. And he said, oh, the friend owed me lots of money, so that's why he left it with me. And then he said who the friend was? And then he said who the friend was and he had died, but people were like, that guy could barely pay his rent.

He does not have $14,000 secretly hidden away. So, to me, it just all stacked up. Yeah, it's all stacked up. This feels open and shut. Yeah. And the two documentaries that I watched in the researching of this, modern people from the FBI and criminal investigators

are like, he did it. Yeah. Obviously, with a famous case, people say he didn't do it, but he did it. Oh, just what a piece of shit. Yeah, I wonder why? Why, just for the money? But then, I mean, there are speculation that maybe the whilst the baby at the window that

it fallen into itself, it immediately died, they panicked and let's just hide it, and they're like, well, now we've killed a baby We're gonna go to jail forever. Regardless we may as well try and make the money. Right But obviously you got to be a psychopath. Just plot this stuff in the first one 100% to plot and then to go I'm taking money From you to get your baby back, which I know I've killed. Oh You're a bad guy. You're a bad guy I know, I've killed. Oh, no.

That's not, you're a bad guy, you're a bad guy. Also, he probably had accomplices that got away with it. Right. People are like, you wouldn't just do that on your own, get the ladder up there, go up there, grab a baby. It's how about planning to like look after a young child food that long as well?

Yeah, it's such a long time. And also, I like the people who say, well, it was the dad. It was, he accidentally killed the kid. And then in his panic and grief, plotted a very elaborate cover-up in which he fracked, like, no. Surely he just goes, yeah, maybe, yeah.

There's no way he's, I hate this story. Yep. Well, there is a part three, the rest of Linberg's life. I went on finally closing part two, public outrage, public outrage, led the US Congress to pass the Federal Kidnapping Act, which is known colloquially as the Linberg Law, not long after in 1932, the day that would have been Charles's second birthday. The Lindbergh Law made kidnapping across state lines

a federal crime and stipulated that such an offense could be punished by death. This also means that the FBI could have been involved much faster, who may have done a better job investigating it than local police. Also, Lindbergh probably didn't do himself any favors by trying to be in charge of the investigation of self. But I mean, it sounds like none of that would have changed that his kid died, because that was the strategy.

The money went and the money actually led to them finding the guy. So in the end, I don't think it could have, I know, there's no, he couldn't have saved this. It wouldn't have been an interesting outcome. Yeah, he got most of the money back, I suppose, as well, because it was all sitting in the garage. I don't think that actually didn't, I mean a lot of manhours may be wasted. But what if they got in earlier, how do they find him without that direct,

the money evidence? But it wasn't even all of the money, was it? No, a lot of the money remained and uncountable and also maybe that is maybe the the worker who Killed herself maybe that maybe that was why her guilt was it. Oh, I did Mention it to this German guy maybe that yeah, it could have been something like that I know I actually that's right. I told someone something Yeah, it could have been something like that. Something like that. That's right, I told someone something.

I shouldn't have said that. Or I answered the phone and said, they asked to speak to the daughter because she works for the mother. Oh no, they're up at New Jersey this week. To try them on this number and then realizing later, that's how they would have known.

Yeah, geez. Mm. Be paranoid all the time as the lesson. Don't be paranoid all the time. Trust no one. And I trust people. No, don't. Fox the time. Trust no one. And I trust people. Nah, don't. Fox Malder, trust no one.

Obviously, heartbroken by the death of his son. Charles got on with the rest of his life, but the rest of his life is quite controversial to say the least. It's already been a long report, and I wanted to mainly focus on his early life and the crime of the century, but I'll give a brief overview of the rest of his days. Hounded by the press and worried for the safety of their surviving son, the Linbergs fled to Europe.

They were given diplomatic passports and given passage on a private ship to the UK. So the government really helped them out. We're talking a submarine. I'm not diplomatic immunity. They got given from the South African government. Wow. To Europe.

Diplomatic submarine. Ah. Ah. After a six month stay in Britain, the Lindberghs traveled to Germany where things get controversial because they were treated as honored guests of the Nazis and the Third Reich.

Oh, okay. Yeah, no, you just took a turn there. Charles visited centers of military aviation, praised the Luftwaffers, which are their Air Force, fighter and bombar designs, which their Air Force, fighter and bombar designs, and asserted that, quote, Europe and the entire world is fortunate that a Nazi Germany lies at present between Communist Russia and a demoralized France, end quote. He was very anti-Soviet Union, or very anti-Russia, and at this stage, very pro-third Reich.

Right. What is this? This is the early to mid-1930s. He traveled the globe throughout the 1930s and then returned to Germany in October 1938. Very late. And Herman Goring himself, very high ranking Nazi, decorated him with the service cross of the German eagle. According to Britannica, this led to considerable criticism because people are already, there's a lot of outcry against the Nazis, even though World War II hasn't started yet. But Linberg, again, according to Britannica, got criticism but remained enormously popular with the American public.

Apparently, he was considering moving to Germany just months after the outbreak of World War II, but instead moved to Paris and then back to the USA. Germany alone, Linberg Argy, argued could damn the Asiatic Hords and prevent the overrunning of Europe. In an essay for readers' digest in November 1935, Linberg cautioned against, quote, a war within our own family of nations, a war which will reduce the strength and destroy the treasures of the white race." Right, that's something. Glenberg said.

Yes, in Reader's Digest. He was like, well, are we fighting with Germany? We shouldn't be fighting against them. And he further pleaded, quote, let us not commit racial suicide by internal conflict. End quote. He was a bit obsessed in his later life with race and eugenics on a basic level, selective breeding to keep bloodlines pure and have superior children.

See how part three suddenly get through weird? Oh, it's very, very different film. Oh no. Yeah. Okay. Over time, support for Lindbergh disappeared both in the general public and in the military.

As he was criticizing military leaders, left right on disappeared both in the general public and in the military as he was criticizing military leaders left right and set up publicly. He was still in the military, but he was saying, why are we fighting with them? Why are you invading there? Yeah. What are you doing? And eventually, he had a public spat with President Franklin Roosevelt and had to quit his air core reserve commission. He went on to fly planes in Asia during the war, supposedly as a civilian, but they did

let him bomb the enemy because he's a great pilot Crazy so he had a big public fight with the president who the enemy of who was he bombing? So he was in Asia probably bombing Japan right Because it sounds like he was sort of on the axis's side. Oh right. No, no, he was anti-Japan. Yeah, complicated. But yeah, he never acted against America like violently, but he did make some very controversial statements that made him less and less popular and less and less relevant over time.

Charles and Anne had four more children in following World War II, the family lived quietly in Connecticut and then in Hawaii. For his services to the government, quietly in Connecticut and then in Hawaii. For his services to the government, he was appointed Brigadier General. Brigadier! In the Air Force. Matt, you do it.

Brigadier. It's so much better in his deep voice. It sounds like, break it down, but Brigadier. Brigadier. Brigadier. That command was given to him by President Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1954. He seen a few presidents. I guess that's what happens in a while.

And because of his fame, he's like he's known him all. Yeah. He continued his consultant to Pan American World Airways and the US Department of Defense. He died in Hawaii in August 26th, right day. 1974, age 72, and lived another 27 years and died in 2001, age 95. Whoa, go ahead. What date did she die in the pre-year or post-9-11 world? I'm afraid I don't have the date.

Okay, that's the end of part three. How about a little part four? Oh my god, Dave. Post-script. You're killing me. I love this. Then two years after Anne's death, Charles Lindbergh was headlined news all over again when it was discovered

that he had secretly fathered seven children in Germany to three separate women. Beginning in 1957 when he was 55 years old, Lindbergh had engaged in lengthy sexual relationships with three women while remaining married to Anne He fathered three children with hat maker Bridget Hess hemer and had two children with her sister Mariette Okay, what did she make? undestriced

Mariette's Yeah, come on put two and two together. Is this him trying to keep the bloodline pure still? What's he doing now? Yeah, it's a big possibility that people are speculative. He also had a son and daughter with his European secretary also in Germany. All seven children were born between 1958 and 1967. When the children were born, he carried on visiting his new family, but never told them his real name. They were told that their father was an American writer called Karoo Kent, which is the best

fake name. Karoo Kent. I would have writer called Karoo Kent, which is the best fake name. I would have gone Kent Karoo. You can't get away with big lies like that anymore. No, you can't. Yeah. Oh, Kent Karoo. Okay, great. I won't look into that any further.

Won't go to the library or anything. Fine, see one of your books. Yeah, can you bring some books? Oh, they got lost on the plane. I guess you'd be like, they're only public. They're only published in English. Not available in Germany. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Oh, sorry. That's wild. And then just before he died, Linberg wrote to each of his mistresses. There's about secret even after he died. They did this and they never told any of their children the truth. However, after reading a magazine article about Linberg in the mid-1980s, Bridget's daughter Astrid deduced the truth. She later discovered snapshots and more than 150 love letters from Linberg

to her mother, and DNA tests confirmed the truth, And then in the 2000s, after Anna died, I guess out of respect for her, they came out and they wrote a book about it and it became worldwide public news. So what she would have reached out and found her other siblings as well, like the other seven kids? Some people are like your step siblings, but also your cousins.

Yeah, that's fucked. Yeah, so you're growing up thinking those kids are your cousins. Yeah, but actually your dad is there to have siblings. Yeah, isn't that absolutely, that's the end of the report. That is it. It's like four crazy chapters of his life. And there it is.

That's my longest report ever. Thank you. I'm sorry. It's so many ups and downs. Obviously it starts. It's a roller. He's like, he's so many ups and downs, obviously starts. It's a roller. He's the most famous man on Earth and then he loses a child and you feel so sorry for him and then he's a Nazi and then he comes out at the end and he's like, I had seven

secret kids. That's first of all too many kids. Too many secret kids. We know what was causing it though. White pride. That was the cause this time. We finally have an answer. Dave, that is wild. What a wild, wild story.

And there was a detective bit in the middle there with us sending secret nights to each other. Oh my goodness. Yeah, this is, that's insane. I think I'd vaguely looked into the topic once before, like a quick Google. Because obviously it's frequently requested with over 10 people asking for it. vaguely looked into the topic once before, like a quick Google. Because obviously it's frequently requested with over 10 people asking for it. I think I may have seen that before.

So all I knew though was that it wasn't good for the baby. Right. I knew that. I was like, this isn't going to be good. I didn't know. I didn't know. We've talked about the Mandela effect before. Yeah. Online there are a lot of people posting saying, I don't remember that they that they have found the baby. I don't remember that a man was arrested for his kidnap. Right. Yeah. That was on a Patreon episode. We do the Mandela Effect as a as a topic, but yeah, some people are saying that hang on. I don't. Many people online were agreeing,

yeah, that's right. The limb big baby. I thought he was never found. It was a German was found guilty of killing his kid and then he had such a close relationship with Germany straight after. And had seven German children? I would have thought that would have Germany to me would have like that would have made me feel like I just don't want to go to Germany. Which is, which is illogical, but emotionally of course you would. Of course you would.

And also go in that place. Obsessed with eugenics and Race. Yeah. Because he's obsessed with that kind of thing. And it's like, well, it turns out that people you think is the superior race, killed your son. God, that's odd. All right, well, after your report, Dave, which was fantastic.

Thank you so much. It is now time for everyone's favorite segment of the show. Fact Quotal Question. Fact Quotal Question. Fact Quotal Question. Wee-jit the world watcher. This week's Fact Quotal Question comes from Andreas. What does an omelette do to where are you?

Makes it sparkle. Okay. You need us to put that in. Try again. Yeah, so it's sparkly. Andreas Mulea. Okay. You need us to put that in. Try again. Yeah, so it's sparkly. Andreas Muleo. Nice. The sparkle was on the first U. Uh-huh. And Andreas writes,

a question this week, and this week's question is, I've got a question for you. Lisa, will you marry me? That might confuse you at first, neither one of you is named Lisa. This also is an Asimson's reference, although Mill House may have uttered those words in some episode. This question isn't even directed at you,

but the lovely person sitting next to me, who I've been together with for eight and a half years, and who rarely listens to podcasts, but knows that the planet broadcasting crew has a special place in my heart. I love this woman as much as Jess hates Bindie Erwin. Yeah, that's a lot. Truth is, I just needed someone to read out this question and the following rambleings

out loud to buy me some time while I fumble around with a ring box behind my back. Cheers guys! Was that a proposal? I think so. How was that from? And Andreas Umla. Well, I mean, this is a moment here. Could you with the German heritage, you should be able to say a word like that. Andreas Muleau. Oh, that did sound more accurate, probably. Andreas. I mean, they've stopped listening by this point. Oh, the I mean, let us know how it goes. Lisa, what did you say? This is crazy. This is wild.

This is podcasting. It's a power of podcasting. It's made, I think. Wow, I'm feeling tingles, Andreas. I'm tingling. You guys look confused. That was funny. Because I read it before I read the first two lines before I'm like, whoa. Wow. Do we have to reach out to think in advance? So Andreas knows to listen to this. Yeah, I'll let him know. Yeah. Thanks on Dreyas for supporting the show and could like hopefully with an engagement. And let us know if we should delete this section of the episode. You should have something going not quite to plan.

Like you accidentally throw the ring in the toilet. Yeah, in the toilet, great. Yeah, great toilet. Wow. Well, that was definitely the most exciting addition to fact-quitter question yet. Yep. Lisa, will you marry me? That is a Simpson thing, right? That's what I thought when he... Wow. Well, that was definitely the most exciting addition to fact quota question yet. Yep. Lisa, will you marry me?

That is a Simpson thing, right? That's what I thought when he... Well, there's Ralph. Definitely saying. I choo choo choo's you. Yeah, I love Lisa Simpson. When I grow up, I'm gonna marry her. No!

No! You can pinpoint the second he's heart breaks in heart. Yeah. No! And then, well, that brings good. Yeah, do let us know how you go on dress. And then that brings us to everyone's favorite segment of the show. It's the Patreon shout out segment of the show.

Yeah. That is right. If you support the show at patreon.com slash do go on pod, you get rewards every single weekend, every single month, including two bonus episodes that no one else here isn't a bunch of other stuff, including pre-sales for all our shows everywhere in the world. We'll put those on sale there first and in exchange for being the lovely people you are in Patreon. We're going to shout out to a few of you now. I thought of a game. Okay, great. To keep it light-hearted again, because

part two onwards was fucked. I'll say what section of his life, part one, two, three, or four? Part one. Okay. And you know how his plane was called? The spirit of St. Louis. Let's name their plane!

Name the plane game. All right, can I kick it off? Thinking from Cork in Ireland, Laura O'Day. Laura O'Day. Laura Oday. Laura Oday. The Lord of the Dents. Oh, because the law is short for Laura. Yep.

It's a Lord of the Dents. That's the name of the planet. No, the law. Laura of the Dents. Laura of the Dents. I like it. Yeah. That is a good point. That's great.

No, no, no, Laura Odance. Oh, dance. Laura Odance. Oh, dance girl. Yeah, so you can take your pick really there, Laura, to be honest. It's a good option. Or maybe you've got a flee to planes. Yeah.

Or you could put like a very long name down the side of that plane. Yeah. All of them. Yeah, bracket. Or, bracket. Or. Yeah. Thanks so much for your support Laura. Thank you Laura. And I'd love to thank from Kool-Ack in New South Wales Australia Adam James a man with two

first names. And two first planes. And what that first plane is called the Aurora Kool-Ata. Like that. You look impressed with yourself, you know that. I just don't know where that came from. I'm going to call the second one, the flying cow. All right, that's good. Oh, that's good. The Aurora Coolata and the Flying Cow. Which one are we going to take to work today, guys?

They both sound like good pubs. They do. I drink it either of those. If I was drinking. Couple of tinies down at the Aurora Coolahata. To your right. To your right, to your right. Thanks so much Adam James. Well if you don't mind I would like to thank someone, my name now. I'll do it. I would like to thank from Denver Colorado, Homer the Denver Airport. Really? I didn't know that. I would like to

thank Michael Gilbert. Oh, okay. So what the name of his plane obviously parked at the Denver airport is of course. Oh, well, is he got one or two planes? Because one would be called probably... Why do they all have Tune-A now for that for Laura? Virgin Blucifer. Laura had a fleet.

Oh, yes. Virgin Blucifer is great. Is that Virgin Blucifer, just an Australian thing, right? The Virgin domestic in Australia, it's not even, it used to be Virgin Blue. And also Gilbert is the brand of rugby balls. So maybe the, what about the old Scum half Nelson. Nelson. The scrum half Nelson.

That's a good name. Yeah, I like that. The blue virgin blue sofa and the scrum half Nelson. God, good teamwork there guys. Well done. Well done. Yeah. Thank you so much to Michael Gilbert in difficult.

Mickey J. I think his friend's going. And I like to think of myself as a friend of Mickey J. I would like to thank another friend now from Australia from Greenwood in an unknown state because it says here It's obviously a drop-down menu that you forgot to fill in so it just says from Greenwood in select one It is Connor Schmidt Connor Schmidt There's something about Schmidt that I love It's just such a good name. It's a good name.

Yeah. The Falcon Country. Man. Eh. Manet. The Falcon Country Manet. That sounds quite good. Manet is a cool person.

Manet. The Falcon Country Manet. Yeah. The Falcon Country Manet. I like it. Conn of you like that? I select one. I mean, yes I know, select one.

Thank you Connord. Thanks, God, it's great to have the Schmidt onboard. Do you reckon I can thank people too? Yeah. I'm pleased. I'd like to thank you. Do you have a name as good as Schmidt? No.

Well, actually, pretty good. I would like to thank from West Muna in Tasmania. I love Tasmania. Kate, buzzer-cott. Oh, that is a great name. That is a fantastic name. God, it's not with buzzer, I think. Buzzer. So, like a B, the flying B.

Oh, I like that. The flying B. Like the flying V? Or what about the B-hive or something like that? Oh, yeah. Dude. Like the flying V? Or what about the B-hive or something like that? Oh yeah. The Hives, Swedish, band,

black and white, Swedish Hives. Swedish Hives. Swedish Hives. Swedish Hive Mind in the air. Okay, yes. Okay, you seem to call it the Swedish Hives. Yeah, I reckon.

That's confusing. I mean, you've got the Swedish Hive. Yeah, I reckon. Ah, it's confusing. I mean, you've got options. That's your call to make, ultimately. Let us know what you think, Baza. Thank you, okay. I'd also like to thank, from New York, New York. Oh, Frank's enough. It's a hell of a town.

Cameron Wade. Wade. And he weighed into a pond. So maybe the flying ducks. Wade. I don't see Wade in the pond. So maybe the flying ducks. Yes. Again, I've said a sign that he already flies. I've heard flying in the front. What about just old blue eyes?

Old blue eyes. Frankie. It's a good name for a plane, right? I don't know. I don't know. He's getting in a plane that's called old something. Old blue eyes, just take it down to San Francisco. 2020 blue eyes, yes.

Yeah, that's good. Big blue. That gives you confidence. Yeah, 2020. Big blue, I think, of the ocean. Are you landing in the ocean? Is that something? It could be.

I just wanted to know. It's an aqua plane. Aqua plane. I'm aqua planning. Isn't that when you're like, you're driving on the water? Yeah. I'm aqua planning. I'm Aqua Planing here. And New York City. Oh Cameron Wade, what an absolute pleasure to have you on board.

Listing in the Big Apple. Yeah. Also a good name for a plane. Yeah, the Big Apple. Oh. Flying Apple. Yeah, that's right. Flying Apple. Did Kate Buzzer-Cott have two? The B and the Hive. Put them together. Now we've got to give Laura OD another one now. Wait, did we give her like seven?

No, you have her one and then said she's got a fleet, should be right. Yeah, Laura OD dance and Laura of the dance. And also she's from Cork, so like a, Bobbing like a Cork in the Ocean was a famous quote by a football commentator, Dennis Committee. So maybe the golden tonsils air. I like it. I love it.

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