Two In The Think Tank - 169 - The Malice At The Palace

Episode Date: January 16, 2019

What controversial event in 2004 changed American sport forever? It's the Malice at the Palace! Josh Earl from the Don't You Know Who I Am podcast dropped by to tell us all about this wild event in modern NBA history and it's a great fun time! Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] tickets to Matt's stand up show (in Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane and Melbourne) with the early bird discount code: dogoon via mattstewartcomedy.com/gigsCheck out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://omny.fm/shows/bookcheatPrime Mates: https://omny.fm/shows/prime-mates AND Josh's great podcast: https://www.planetbroadcasting.com/our-shows/dont-you-know-who-i-am/Josh's live shows: http://www.joshearl.com.au/gigs/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:http://grantland.com/features/an-oral-history-malice-palace/https://uproxx.com/sports/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-palace-brawl/https://8points9seconds.com/2018/08/31/indiana-pacers-history-malice-palace/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbrotcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hello. Hello. Hello. Matt's copying me again. Hey Dave, you missed one of us. Oh that's right, we've got another person in the studio today. Ah! Special guest host, it's Joshua!

Hey! It's so funny thing on another podcast with someone who introduces the light that as well, because I was waiting for you to go, who knows whom, who knows what, which is a ISO on my podcast, which is of course, if people don't know, the fantastic,

don't you know who I am? Also on the Planet Broadcasting Network. Yes. And one of our personal favorite podcasts. Well, congratulations for two people in the row who scored the number one most downloaded episode of the year 2018. Thank you, just to avoid confusion,

can we please name the two people? No, I don't think we need to do that. Arguably the best two. We're gonna just perk it. Yeah, well, we don't, we can assume who the other one was. Probably one of me or Dave. It doesn't matter, really. Okay, we'll leave it at that. Yeah, thank you. But it was definitely Dave. Yeah, it was Dave. Yeah! That's right, we were on a fun episode last year with Broden Kelly from Anti-Donna and very funny Joe Stanley. So that. Yeah, that's an honor.

Good time, they're well done. I was on some really cool underground episodes. I need really random people here. We did a Patreon episode. We saw everyone's favorite Patreon episode of the year. But you guys win the meat tray, which is in the car. So we're gonna wrap this up. It's quite hard out there. Oh my god. Dave, you can have it. Yeah, who's the win? I'll make it. I'm coming home with me baby. He's saying that to his broom. That goes out of the broom. That's cannon on the show. I think it is now. I mean, you don't get the number one down there. Now you're trying to take us down. I understand, Stuart, I know what you're doing here. Matt, now I have a girl, me. No, I think that's, I'll keep my powder dry.

I think, you know, but you'll have something in common. Oh, yeah. Yeah, some of the real zinger. You're ready for it. You're ready to get smashed. Now, Josh, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. Because most podcasts, you're turn up,

you talk a bit of shit in the new year, but this one, we've asked you to do a bit of homework. I loved it. I was just before the podcast. She was like, how did you go with the whole report writing thing? I want to go back to school now. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm a librarian.

And so doing the research, it's right up my alley. It's really, really nice. I mean, would you like to come back every week? That would be really easy. Oh, I just write the reports for me and just send them through. Yeah. Just PDF. That'd be great. I'm your airtasker. Yeah. El Tasker. Great. Ah. El Tasker. I love that. I don't have any money, but I'll buy a coffee. So as guest host, do I start with a question? Yes, no. Before we do that,

Matt, maybe explain how this works. No, no, no, this isn't you. Actually, you could probably explain how it works better than any of us. No, I want to hear that. Look, okay, so the way it works is there's three of us today, four. And we take it in terms week by week as to who researchers and does a report on a certain topic. The other people in the room don't know what that topic is until we start the report and we get on a topic with a question, this week Josh is doing the report

as we just said, he's gonna ask a question now to get us some of the topic. And that, what was that? Three, four minutes and done. That was great. And you should have seen the fear in your heart. Every time you're like, oh, you're eyes too around the place, oh, oh, god.

Oh, god. What is this waiting? And no, by the way. I never, you know, I feel nervous normally, but this time was in front of a library. Yeah. Yeah. And this is episode 169.

So for a very sexy topic, you're... Century for two. So the question is to you three, do you go on as... All right. What event happened on November 19th, 2004, that changed American sports forever? I'm going to say that I'll be the first to admit I'm not, I don't know what happened in 2004. Anyone have any guesses? Was it, the Janet Jackson nip slip? No. Yes, that would have been a good one. Have you done that one? No, I'll write about that next week. He's next week.

Didn't have anything to do with Michael Jordan's shorts, did it? No, do you know about his shorts? Matt brings it up anytime, any possibility that you can. Josh could have been the one that probably told you in real life. Probably yours. With shorts, one are you talking about? They're on backwards? Oh no, what's the other... There's another Michael Jordan's shorts. So the one that your time at Bennings, he wore his North Carolina shorts,

underneath his shorts. That's right. The first time he came back after his first retirement, he wore his shorts on, they were on backwards. Oh, certainly. And yeah, just put them on backwards. After that did everyone start wearing the backwards? No, no, it wasn't.

Oh, Chris Cross, the band Chris Cross, maybe, for days on and else. Okay, what it was, November 19, Chris Cross, the band Chris Cross, maybe. But there's a new else. No. Okay, what it was, November 19, 2004, was it a event that is now known as the Malice at the Palace? Wow. That is a great title. Yeah. Like Rumble in the Jungle.

Like Rumble in the Jungle. Oh, Thriller and Manila. Yeah. But this is the Malice at the Palace. I love it. Right. Is it also a boxing event? No. Matt was closest when also a boxing event? No. Matt was closest when he was talking about Michael Jordan.

It's a basketball. The palace. Who's the home court as the palace? The Detroit Pistons. Ooh. Yes. Cool. Is this involved Thomas?

I said Thomas. I said Thomas had retired, but he's linked to both these teams are going to talk about. One, he was the coach, one, one, he was a star player. But he wasn't the coach during this. He'd just been fired by a man who you've talked about as well, the Hick from French League. Oh, Larry Burr. There you go.

The body Eski banded himself. The owner of the world's most famous water cooler. No, that was he was stealing from Michael Jordan, actually. Okay, so the NBA, arguably one of the most popular sporting organizations in the world, not just through sport, but also through its merchandise and culture through films like Space Jam. Well, we've talked about and loved. Ed, the Wulpegoldberg film, which we will talk about and love. Wait, did she play, that wasn't with a chimp, was it? No, it was. She was a fan who was heckling. Right. And they said, well, you come and coach and then she just coaches brilliant.

The New York Knicks. Oh, right. That's right. I'm thinking of the one with Joey from France playing baseball with a chimp. And that was also called Ed, I think. Oh, great. And also the hit sitcom hanging with Mr. Cooper. Oh, I've told me about that one. He was a comedian and he also played basketball in in the show, hangoo Mr Cooper. He was a substitute teacher who had dreams of playing in the NBA. He got his chance and he played two games for the Golden State Warriors. He won number seven. None of this is here by the way. I know a lot of facts. He's looking me dead in the eye. Yeah. So he played against the he played for the

Golden State Warriors. He played against the, he played for the Gond set warriors. He played against the phoenix sons who were led by Charles Barkley, who is the modern round of rebound pound. I thought you knew, I listened and you know, always say the round mound of rebound. I forgot, panicked. A panicked.

All right, so in, they played two back-to-back games in the first game, Charles Barkley. Oh, the round mound of rebound. That is right. He destroys him. Dunk's on him, leans over him and says welcome to the NBA. Oh, very similar to the OC. Very similar thing in the first, which is welcome to the OC bitch when Ron got punched on the beach.

I'm gonna say, he needed to add bitch. Yeah. The next game they play against is how that Mr. Cooper is doing great. He's scoring heaps, they win the game, then he finds out they didn't, they don't sign him though, so he doesn't play because they don't have the budget for the podcast, for the sitcom to have, oh, we'll go and film in the NBA every single time. Yeah, okay, that's fair. Yeah, he goes back to being a substitute teacher. Sure, you do it the other way around, so it made some sense. He likes starring the first

one and then struggle or doesn't injury or something. Oh he starred. Oh but unfortunately he got signing you for some. I got a record 120 points. Yeah well. So I have not thought of hanging with Mr Cooper for probably since it was on TV. Start with him going where's my theme music? And then it would kick in. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, hanging with my friends, it's all so, hmm, so what? Is this just showing the age? Is this 80s, 90s? Is that 90s?

90s. It was in that kind of vein of family matters and full house. Home improvement. Yeah. Oh. Ravens' story was involved in hangover mystical. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so in 2004 though, the NBA was in a downward slump. Michael Jordan had just retired for the third and final time. It's a John Farn of NBA. Yes, you'll never go down. The league had an image problem with the conservative America and scoring was low. Meaning to the casual fan was a bit boring.

In the season before 2004, the 2003, 2004 season, the champions were the Detroit Pistons, who defeated the Los Angeles Lakers in a very low scoring series, where defense was king. Oh, defense is super boring. Yeah, there were games that was like 60 to 68. Really? Now the games are like 120 to 130.

It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,. And still, as a pretty casual viewer, to be honest.

But it's not always been like that. No, no. In this time, it was very low scoring. So the pistons defeated the Lakers, and had to play the Indiana Paces to actually get to play the Lakers. And this was a very heated series, and the pistons won it in six games.

It was the best of seven. Pistons won it in six. The Paces. Do you not their name after, Jess? The want to be the pen. The Paces, do you not they named after Jess? The one to be the Pen. The Pen? Yeah. I used to think that was a killer too.

No, so they're named. So they're from Indiana. So the Indy 500 is a big thing. So the Pace Car that goes out the front. What a boring thing to be named after. Yeah, and also the Harness Racing Pace, which is also a horse that runs. So they combine the two. Right. So they're named after a horse and a moment. Yeah, and also the harness racing pace, which is also a horse that runs. So they combine the two. Right. So they're named after a horse and a car. That's pretty cool. That's bad ass. All right. Yeah. If it was one of those two things, it'd be cool.

But it's two of those two things. Yeah. And the pistons are named after a car part. Yeah. Detroit, Roxette, Motown. All right. They couldn't be called what? Theette, Motown. All right. They couldn't have been called what the motown motown. Yeah, the flat tops or something. Yeah. Motown as works too. Is it was Reggie Miller at Reggie Miller was in the Indiana

past 2000 from the 90s. I know one player from each team. So he knows Indiana had Reggie Miller. He was the star player. His sister is the best women's player ever. Really? Yeah, Cherry Miller. I think it's her name. Cherry, Cherry, I don't have to say it probably. Sorry. Are the Lakers? Do you know what the Lakers are named after?

Oh, come on, just cousin just come on. Los Angeles Lakers. I feel like it's a trick question though. It is because they were originally a franchise from like a lake place, like Salt Lake or something. Minnesota. Minnesota, right? Yeah, which is the nickname the land of a thousand lakes. Right.

And then... Has anybody counted? I don't know, surely. It's like Utah jazz. That's right. Utah's not a jazz place. Why do they hold onto the, because they can't change it? No, just change it.

The Pelicans changed. Yes. So the New Orleans Pelicans, which is my team, I chose them last year. New Orleans jazz and then Utah bought the franchise and kept the jazz. Right. Even though it's the widest place in America and there's no jazz happening in Utah. Pop that Utah. Okay, so the 2004, 2005 season started and the Indiana Pacers were one of the favorites to win it all. And they firmly believed that they would do it. Being led by Ron Artest, the league's reigning defensive player of the year, you know, Defences King, he's the best defender.

And Hall of Famer, Reggie Miller, who was playing his final year and gunning for a championship. They had also acquired Stephen Jackson, a shooting guard, just coming off his best season with Atlanta. And they started the season strong, one six of the first eight games. And then they were faced with last year's champions, the Detroit pistons, and what they were calling a revenge match. Okay.

Yeah. A lover revenge match. A lover revenge. Revenge! Did you like the show Revenge? For a bit, every time that came, my wife and I would have had the joke with the wagers out. Revenge!

Come here, I'll be next. I'll take you to the Maggiolars. Couple strokes of fun, I know. That's really good. So this game, Epistons vs. The Paces, was the marquee game of the week. It was going to be broadcast live on ESPN from Detroit. Now, the game itself was nothing spectacular. The Ron R Test and Jameino Neal were the stars for the Indiana Paces and at halftime they're

all out by 16, a low scoring season, that's a lot. But Paces coach Rick Carl are wanting to make a statement that Indiana were the premier team in the league. So instead of resting his star plays, he kept them out there. So. So often when you get to a half time, it's lost. We've won this. We'll rest our star so that I can hurt, get some of the bench, and it's so early in the season as well. Try some of the new kids, see how they're gonna go.

Yeah, that's an essence. Yeah, then give them a run around. Yeah, then your good players are rested. So when they come on, they should be better to have a score more in a week game. Okay, so in the NBA, it's quite common though for teams to have an understanding if the outcomes already settled to take it, take it back a bit. Yeah. And players get very, very angry when the other teams don't abide. Recently,

this year in the in the NBA star Boston Celtics, Kari Irving, he threw the game ball into the crowd when he believed that a Denver Nuggets player by the name Jamal Murray was trying to pat out his stats and score 50. The game like Boston had wanted easy and Denver had wanted easy and he was still shooting threes, like seconds to go when no one was playing defense. So Curry even got the ball, which he would have kept Jamal Murray was like, oh, I've never scored 50. I'm going to keep this ball. Oh, he just picked it all the way from the top of the stands. No, that's bullshit. You don't get to do that.

It's bad sportsmanship. It is bad sportsmanship on both sides. And the mercy rolls. Yeah, for sure. I didn't know that. So they'll do the commentators normally mention that. No, they call it junk times. Like in the NFL, they have like those kicking back and forth.

But isn't it in junk? Oh, yeah, I guess there is a bit of that. But it wouldn't be if someone was kicking goals in the NFL and junk time. No one's going, what the hell are you doing? Stop being better than us. Stop being better than us. Stop being better than us. Stop being better than us.

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would actually be kicked out for their rough play. But he's their coach, and he's like going, he doesn't, he can't say, get off, because he's only assistant coach, but he's like, hopefully, they get kicked out of the game so they don't hurt someone. He's own players, own players. He could see. When he's on his assistant coach, but he's like, hopefully they get kicked out of the game so they don't hurt someone. He's own players, own players.

He could see. When you whisper to the head coach, you'll be like, can you tell him to pull the heads in a bit? Yeah, that's pretty rough. And he was like, and these guys, they're big guys. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, if they do start taking it too seriously, can get out of hand pretty easily.

And they're, and they're all multi-million dollar players. Yeah. So in a break in the play, Pace's player, Jamal Teasley, is seen talking to this star player, Ron Artest. That, I've got to tell you, I've got to stop that name, it's so great. So Ron Artest.

Artest is a lot. Yeah, so ART EST. What's his nickname in the back of the day? Ah, the test. Testerman. We're going to come to his name. I'm glad you love his name. You keep bringing up and not every time I think I've got a stuff in it because I love that.

There's so many good names. There's so many good names. Yeah. There's a good names. It's all good. Okay. So, Jamal Teasley, talking to Ron Artist, and he reminds him, apparently, reportedly reminds him of last year in the playoffs,

when pistons player Ben Wallace had made a hard foul on him in the last year's final. And so with 45 seconds to go on the game, Ron Rattest commits a pretty hard foul, not crazy hard, but just commits a foul on Ben Wallace. No one gets injured, but the game, because the game's over, Ben Wallace takes offense and Shub's Ron Rattest as hard as he can. You do not shove Ron our test. No, and at 6'9... Oh, okay, you do not. Oh, my God.

Like, Ben Wallace is 6'9, 209 centimeters. That's... And 108 kilos. He's a big boy. That's hard. Yeah. You see him pushing and you think Ron our test hate is actually going to fluff his body.

He just flies back, composes himself, but then with the emotional last years last, the places that go in and they try and protect our test. And so people are just kind of pushing everyone. And there's in NBA fights. There's a lot of what they call hold me back. Guys go in there and they're just yelling,

hold me back. And then they kind of back backwards, but no one's holding them back. No one's exactly. They're just gonna hold me back, hold me back. Charles Barkley talks about this all the time when he needs to come and tell me, he's like, these hold me back guys. Oh, okay, don't let me get my hands on him.

Yeah, hold him back. You're lucky, he's bloody holding me back. Oh, you did, mate. He's standing alone. And so all these guys are huge, and the refs are not huge. Why is that? Well, they're refs.

Well, you're seeing like rugby league in Australia. The refs are as big as the players. They're all huge nuggets. AFL's pretty, they're all pretty skinny because they got a run-toe for us. Well, AFL players are pretty trim. They're musly, but the, the, the, I'm not sure if you know AFL run,

what, how many Ks are games? Yeah, like Marathons every game. Yeah. So they have slim. Yeah, you're right. But I always thought that they'd get people that were obviously basketball grades, maybe not good enough to be an NBA professional,

because obviously they're obsessed with the game, that kind of thing, but they are often quite a lot smaller than the players that they have. Well, they've been people that have been around basketball or a lot older as well. Yeah, there are guys like in their 60s who are like, really trying to tell these six foot nine guys to come down.

I've never seen like a middle age or it's a ref in their 20s. The only refs I've ever had has been 17 or 80s. Yeah. That's it. What happens in between? I don't know. Like I'm playing in my late 20s

and there's a 16 year old going, oh my alright babe. What you described there is the population of Tasmania. Really young or really old. Yeah, it's like that at my domestic women's basketball. Okay, so the guys are huge, the refs are not. And in the event, if these big guys wanted to fight, there's nothing to stop them. And tonight there was nothing to stop them. So players, there was nothing to stop them. So players from both sides rush off their benches, they throw and start throwing down. So Reggie Miller, he's not playing in the game, he's injured, he's wearing a suit, he runs

out, he's trying to help the work. Yeah, he's an elder statesman, so he's trying to get in there. I want to see if he's fly kick someone in his suit. He's the biggest bad for long range as well. Who's the three points? Special. Yeah. So Steven Jackson, who's only knew the team didn't play in the Detroit game last year.

So he doesn't have any of the beef. He is, he's, you see him with his fists. He's going to come out. He is the angriest of all of them. Like, so he's going crazy. Like, he untucked his shirt. He untucked his shirt. Oh, he's like a meeting business. And then he's going crazy, like, he untucks his shirt, as well as a meeting business, and then he's just got his fists out,

and he's got a headband on, it's great, okay? Amazing. The piston players and officials are just getting out of his way, they don't wanna get hit. This all goes on for about 30 seconds, and it seems to go longer, but the clock's there, and you can see it just goes for 30 seconds. And what happens is run our test, the man who started all,

in the midst of all this, just goes and lies on the scorers table. He just lies down. What? Lies down. So everyone's pushing and fighting. He just takes a break and goes, I'm just going to lie down on the scorers table. Just relax.

All right, it's not from the push. He's just lying down. No, he's just lying down.'s just going to have a lie down. I've got him trying to be super cool, like I'm too cool for the fight. Yeah, or not cool. I think he's just going, I don't want to be involved. Yep. And I'm just going to do...

I'm not going to escalate it. Even though I started it. Well, by being pushed. Yeah, but if you know anything about Ron Arthest, doing the unexpected is not surprising. Okay, so a bit of history on Ron Arthest. So, so happy to hear. He grew up in Queens in New York City. Oh, Flushing Queens. Till when the name came out. Yeah, when I was crushing scenes. What was he going to do? She was out on a fanny. Mean something different here. Very funny as a child. I don't know, fanny. How? Oh my god, that's some swift leg movement.

That's the main sort of a fire hydrant. Oh. OK, so with his heart and his athletic ability, he took up basketball from an early age and growing up on the courts in Queens, you had to be tough. At 12 years old at a YMCA basketball tournament, he saw another player get stabbed in the back with a broken chair leg.

Oh, I was at a van. I died on court. Yeah, my goodness. Do you say, and they died, they're blood out on court. Blood out on court. Oh, my God. From a chair leg. At the YMCA.

That is one of the wildest, like sporting. Yeah. Just imagine if YMCA was playing over the last few years. Yeah. Well, that's how it was. Yeah. The edge playing over the last few years. Yeah. I see. Well, that's how he got scared. He had to be in the air during the war. Yeah.

And the guy. So I assume at the YMCA it's on a loop. It's always fun. Turn off the music cards. It's not appropriate. He's bleeding out again. Oh, God. So Ron said after seeing this, it made him accustomed to playing really rough.

He always said a chair like in his back pocket. He knew. So some people say he might be a bit of centric. In his rookie year with the Chicago Bulls, he was earning over a million dollars a year. He applied for a job and got it, working at a place called Circuit City, which is an American JB High Fi, because he wanted the 50% staff discount. That is a good discount. Yeah. That is a good discount. It's a big discount.

He's a 20 year old millionaire and he still gets a fake job. Yeah, so he went in there, he wanted to buy it, he said, can you give him your discount? And he said, sorry, only staff get discounts. How do I become a member of the staff? He signed it out, put it in. And then the place, apparently this is urban legend. Circuit City called the Chicago Bulls,

because that was his reference. And so this is Roderick's test, yep the Chicago Bulls, because that was his reference. And so this is Rod Artese, yep, all right. And then he got a job, he did one shift, and according to him, he sold heaps. Everyone wanted to be in there buying stuff. And then the Chicago Bull said, you can't be working at Circuit City while you're playing with the Chicago Bulls.

Your contract says no moon lighting. We never thought we'd have to enforce this, but... Yeah, that's amazing. That's great isn't it? You can afford the full price TV. Yeah no problem. I'd if you a circuit city give him the discount just to yeah just to sponsor it. Yeah there's got to be another way. That's the best though. I love that lateral thinking. Yeah. He also while playing for the Bulls in his first few seasons admitted to drinking Hennessy at halftime during games, and also smoking pot

before games. Well, so he's feeling a bit too mallow, right? A bit of scotch to get me out. Well, he even turned up to training with the Pacers. This is when he'd been traded from Chicago wearing a bathrobe over his uniform. And this was as a reminder to himself to take it easy.

Yeah, good reminder. Yeah. That's why I wear a bath to himself to take it easy. Yeah, good reminder. Yeah, that's why I wear a bathrobe to the podcast recorders. Yes, that he did need a reminder sometimes because it's a reminder. It looks over to the bench and it's just his gown sitting there. He's like, all right, sorry. He needs a reminder. He needs a reminder. He's right on his hand or something.

No, yeah, back on his tattoo. Because in 2003, he was suspended for three games for destroying a TV camera. While he was walking out of the game and just sort of camera and just smashed it on the ground. Sure. Well, you know, he knows a good place to get one. That's right. No, guys, I got to stop. And he was suspended for four games that same year because of an altercation with then Miami Heat Coach Pat Riley.

So he tried to fight Pat Riley. He tried to fight the coach He tried to fight the coach. The coach says something to him. And so him being huge just kind of went up to him. What do you do? Like just wasn't, you wasn't going to be spoken to like that from someone else's coach.

Right. So four games. Pat Riley's a legend as well, right? Yeah, coach the Lakers and the Nix. Looks like he was in, what's the film with Alec Baldwin and all about Wall Street? Is it called Wall Street?

Wall Street. He looks like he's in Wall Street. Money never talks. Yeah. That was part two. Wall Street two. Yeah, the money never talks. I'm going to get back in the habit. I'm going to remate the squeakle.

Is that your go-to sequel? Yeah. Ailes is back in the habit. Might at least just mind's judgment day. Yeah, it's true. Right. You get your own. We've got a house apparently. Well, I got to think of one. So in 2004-2005, this is where the mouse the power takes place. He'd already been suspended this year for two games. My god, is he ever played? He played that 82 game season. Yeah, so they play a lot down that. He was been to spend a lot two games this season already Because he asked for a month off because he said he was tired

Because he'd been promoting an album by Aaron B group a law which he had released on his own label true warrior So that's tired the season that started he played four games and then he said to the coach Hey, can I have a month off? I'm a bit tired because in the off season, I was promoting this album and he's co-said, what the hell you talking about? No, you're having two games off without pay to try and get you into the... I hate it.

They punished him by giving him time off? Yeah. Yeah, he only wanted two weeks. Yeah, he only asked for a month. I got enough. No, you're not getting time off. We're not giving you what you want. Now, that's punishment.

You come back, wait, hang on. That was always. We're not giving you what you want. Now there's punishment You come back Wait, hang on. I was always like when you're a kid and you got suspended from school Surely that's suspended you wanted not to be there anyway. I was so dumb that I was afraid of stuff like that But somehow you people would get suspended for wagging which here is the term for skipping school You take the day off you came back. They're like all right. That's it. You suspended. Oh, no another day off It's wagging not universal. I think it does not sound like an American term. Playing hooky.

Yeah. Is dobing universal? I don't think dobing is anything. Yeah, really? Dobing, I think is... Like, dibbidoba? Eh, dibbidoba. It's where, like, you're a snitch.

Yeah. Dibbidoba is where nappies, which of course, in America are called, uh, something else. Dipers. Dipers, thank you. Dobbs wear nappies, which of course an America are called something else diapers. Thank you Dobbs wear diapers. That even sounds better and dummies, which of course Passifies such a long word. Okay, my sequel is secret of the use That's good Teenage Mutant interturders. Yes, the old the 90s ones. Yeah, got it. Yeah, of course you. Yeah, sorry.

The one with the Niller ice. Yeah. Go ninja go. Yeah. Grow up, Jess. Go ninja, go ninja, go ninja. Go ninja. OK, so Ron is lying down on the scorers table.

We're back there. We're back in the mail. That was a sweet flashbacks. Thanks. And the melee seems to be settling down when two members of the crowd, John Green and his friend Mike Ryan, start talking to each other when Mike Ryan offers John Green 50 bucks if he can hit Ron our test with his cup of diet coke.

Oh my God. Guess what? He did. He did, John got his money because Ron is laying down. You can see him if Clea had hit in the chest with a cup of Coke and ice in it. so the ice splashes up into his face. A golem camera. It's all on camera now.

I got the DC on my face. Mmm. Slow moes were like, weeks, that's the fire. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and this is now, we know this is a guy who normally can be violent, but luckily for the scenario, he's taken a time out. He's in his place. Oh no.

No worry guys, nothing could possibly draw me into this fight. So this has been things that interesting in the story. If working at Circus C, he wasn't interested in it. Because Ron our test snaps. Oh my god. No more lying down on the score as table. Ron makes his way into the crowd. He jumps over an announcer, jumps like he's an athlete,

he just jumps and he's runs in and starts making haymakers, just knocking out people, okay? Like crowd members. Crowd members. John Green's in the crowd, next to Mark Ryan. Now Mark Boyle, who is a paces commentator, he said this, he said instinctively or reflexively, I did step up and Ron trampled right over me.

I fractured five vertebrae. Oh, yep. The thing I laugh about now is my wife says to me, if you could have stopped Ron from going into the stands, none of this would have happened. And I say, well, Jesus, if I could have stopped Ron from going to the stands,

I'd be playing the NFL. So, Mark Boyle's announced the next to him, slick Leonard. There's another great name. Yes, slick. He was a lot smarter than Mark Boyle because he just ran out of the way. Yeah, he just runs out of the way. So Ron's in the stands and because this is why

he went to the stands. So he looked up and there was a guy in the crowd. Have everyone watching the fight? A guy staring at Ron our test, where he's handing the air going, yeah! And Ron thought, well, that's the guy who threw the cup. Oh, okay. It wasn't. The man with his hand in the air is Mike Ryan, who just lost 50 bucks. Oh my god. But he was the one who bet that he did. Well, Ron Mabby, that's close enough. Right, I thought it innocent man was about to get punched in the face.

This guy's a bit of a ticket. So once our test goes into the stands, all hell breaks loose. Oh my God. Fellow teammate Stephen Jackson, the untucker from before, he follows him. And both of them are being hit by Piston's fans. One of them, one of the Piston's fans who are watching is the brother of Ben Wallace, the player that shoved our test, the player that started this fight. And he's seen trying to punch like Ron R-test himself. So his brother's pushed him and now Ben Wallace's brother is trying to fight it. Yeah, trying to fight it.

This is brother to player it always. He's brother to the player but his brother's a big man. So Ben Wallace was like six foot nine. Yeah. This guy's also good. Well. He's brother's not a player, but he's brother's a big man. So Ben Wallace was like six foot nine. This guy's also good. Well, okay. So you can see the video, it's all on YouTube. You can see the brother trying to punch Ron our test in the back.

Now, the security staff at the palace were not only short in number, but also in size. So the stadium of 22,000 people, and they had three police officers and some ushers, but what they liked in height, they made up for an age with all of the ushers being over the age of 50. Oh my God. Hey guys, they're experienced.

I'm sure they've seen this before. One of these ushers, Melvin Kenzirusky. Oh, fuck his name's Melvin. Yeah, you don't look at babies these days. Oh, Melvin. Little baby Melvin. Don't worry. This is my son, Melvin. Yeah, you don't look at babies these days. Oh, Melvin. Little baby Melvin. This is my son, Melvin. Here's a my tie boxer, Melvin.

I'm gonna wear it, guys. I fought in the Civil War. So he's 60, and he tried to grab Steven Jackson around the waist to stop him going in. And Steven Jackson just tosses them around like a ragged arm. He's got, it's a moment of hanging on. Yeah, it is. You can see Melbourne just being like a, like on a bucking ball.

I'm trying to do the seven seconds. The Luke Perry's. I think I'd take seconds. Does anyone else imagining Hans Mulman is trying to take this stuff? Yes. I'll get you. Okay, so Melbourne experiences neck and back injuries. Oh my God.

Melvin. Months of rehab to get better. Oh, oh my God. Yeah. But he met Dorothy in the rehab facility and they were weird on her 89th birthday. So run our test and Steven Jackson are in the crowd for 40 seconds fighting. 40 seconds. That is a long time.

That's so long. Yeah. When they finally get pulled back into the court. So, you can see other people trying to get into and security is stopping them from going. Everyone's in, so it's Pistons and Paces now players joined forces against the fans. So while Ron Rattess is now in the court, two fans in Pistons, Jersey, they then make their way onto the court because everyone's focused on the thing. And so the two fans, their names, Alvin AJ Shacklefoot.

That's amazing. Did they give the police a fake name? Not yet. And Charlie Hadad. And they just approach our test. It'd been pulled out. And he's just wandering around aimlessly, like kind of not knowing where he is. He's kind of in a daze.

And so they walk right up to him. And you can see on the video, they kind of size each other up. And they go to punch him and our test punches Shackleford. And the blow, he punchesle food. And the blow, he punches one guy and the blow so much it knocks her dad over next to him. As her dad gets up next, another piece of Jemmano Neil, who was playing great in the game, takes a running start, re-sback to punch him, but luckily slips over on some liquids on the floor and just

slightly glances him and it still knocks the guy over. So a little backstory on Charlie Haddad is that he had a history of abusing NBA plays and security had just talked to him moments before this whole melee went down about toning it down. And people on the floor then realized that someone might actually die. So Scott Pollard, the Paces Center, saw it and this is his quote saying there's not a question in my mind. There's a fan out there alive right now because my friends slipped on beer or whatever it was and missed that punch. So he's running out. He's running full pale and this is like a guy who's I think is like six foot eight six foot nine. It's the because basketball is such kind of a gent, it's a non-contact score.

So it's funny to think that they are like I never really thought about it before, but they're all beasts. They're huge muscle men. Yeah. And they're never really. Thank you. We are. Why are you laughing?

I am a beast. Yes, have you ever run to punch someone and used to slip to over in some sort of urine on the court? The nice thing about playing basketball because your older brother plays basketball and you idolise him Is that he teaches you that while it is a non-contact sport. There's strategic contact You know, so no, Dave, I never ran at someone with my fists held up But I've knocked some people over in my time. You know? Wow.

What do you like, you wait till you sort of tunnel and when they're up and they're jumping and then you push that foot out of the funnel? To be fair, I was just like, I was a tall kid, so it wasn't that hard to just kind of run into a small kid and then fall over you. Are you right? Say you're a bully. Yeah. Only on the court.

And anything. What line do you think? You're right. Sarah Bully. Yeah. I was now on the court. And in the bathroom. What line do you have? What line do you have? What line do you have? What line do you have? So the police finally arrive. So the court's a backup. This is wild.

And instead of controlling the fans who at this stage are very much the aggressors, they go to pepper spray the players. Oh, God. Just pepper spray everyone. Yeah. So Reggie Miller pleads with them not to. Not only because it says it's a bad look for the NBA, but also because he says his suit is very expensive and he doesn't want to get ruined. Hey, I had to get a job at Peter Jackson to get this suit.

Yeah. He's good enough. So that is also that kind of systemic racism that they're going, oh, there's a massive fight here going on There's 10 very big black men on court and then there's like 22,000 mixed race I will do this these 10 black. It's gonna be these 10. Yeah, yeah So the places they're trying to make their way off the court and the only way to get off the court is through a tunnel that goes to the locker room So the cameras are following them and so all the fans over the tunnel, and Steven Jackson looks like he's gonna fight everyone. He is, like most people are covering their faces

they walk through the tunnel. He is like hands in the air trying to fight people as he's being pushed through the tunnel. People are now, they're throwing cans, bottles, they're throwing coins at the players. People are spinning. Jame no Neal tries to pull, this at the players. People are spinning. Jame no Neal tries to pull, this is the guy who ran and slipped.

So he's very, very angry. He tries to pull a fan down, shit to him, which the fall itself would probably could break his neck. A piece of official stops him. People are throwing brooms. Oh, dang, that's a sorry. That is a little too close to the bone. To the bone, Dave. So one of little too close to the bat. To the bone, Dave.

So, one of the fans, to my bone, one of the fans, one of the fans is a man called Bryant Jackson, who he threw a chair at the pace as players walking out. Oh, not another. And this is his quote. He says, I, Bryant Jackson, have six kids. I try to do what's right. I got caught up in something I wish I hadn't got caught up in. Yeah, the adrenaline is running high.

This six kids. Shouldn't you just be like waiting in the car? Just going, Great question, Josh. Yes. Do I know what was causing it? Six kids is that okay. No, that's not. Six is past the point of. That's too many. Oh, another person who was sitting

courtside. You know how in the NBA, they always have celebrities that courtside. So this is in Detroit. Oh, okay. So 2004, what kind of celebrities are in Detroit in 2004? Cool. I know. Well, I know that Tim Natalman Taylor always wore a Detroit Lions jumper on his show. I don't think that's too much. That would be great. Oh, I like, like, Paris Hilton. So I'm trying to think of 2004 Salish. No, she would have been in Malibu.

Someone who worked for Ford. I'm sure he, I'm sure people who love Ford also love this guy's music. Oh, Toby Keith. Not Toby Keith? Join our conversation. Keith Urban. Oh, I thought you were gonna say Kid Rock. Kid Rock. Oh, Toby Keith. Not Toby Keith? I thought you were going to say Kid Rock. Kid Rock is there. He seems like someone that would throw a chair.

He says that he loved it, but he was on the other side of it where it was all happening, and he was happy to be on the other side. He also said it was the scariest thing in his life. Really? I thought he was going to be like, yeah, I would have been part of it. Yeah, but he was actually admitted that he was terrified. Okay, so this is another quote from Mike Brin.

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MycomputerCoreer.edu. In the ESPN commentator, he says there were a bunch of people right above where the places were going out and there was this one young woman who was very nicely dressed in the midst of it. I remember thinking, I know this poor woman. In the midst of all this mob mentality, I hope she's going to be okay. And as I'm saying that in my head, she pulls out a bottle full of water and throws a point blank range of the pace is going off the floor. I couldn't believe it, says Brain.

Even this nicely dressed woman who seems so out of place in this mob, she got sucked into the whole mob mentality and it showed just how scary it could be. I love it. That says a lot about him. Like, make a judgment. Dead, not in the car. Like bad decisions. We can't. Certainly not a bad, not if they've made a good decision with matching those shoes with that bag.

Thank you. Not you. What do you mean? My shoes match my t-shirt. In that they are white. Okay, so the places, they're all back in the locker room. Things are getting heated. Jameino Niel is yelling at the coaches,

saying next time we're fighting, don't you mother fuckers grab us. He wants to go back out there. He's not scared by 22,000 people. He's like, we can take him. Wow. You can't. There's 12 of us we can take him.

You can't take him. A Rick Carlisle, their coach, jumped up as big as he could in front of the gym and just said, we were just trying to help. What's the most pathetic, kind of not pathetic, but just like, they're all so ramped up and there's too much adrenaline

and I don't know how they're gonna calm down. Honestly, they need to run like 10 Ks to calm down. So that's in the Paces, or in the Pistons room, apparently they're all with their families and friends. They're watching the replay of it. And when the footage of Ben Wallace's brother punching and missing Ron our test is showing, they all just start laughing. They're like, ah, you missed our sucked in.

Yeah, so. Fuck. Yeah. So back in the Paces room, after it all settled down, it's just the players. Ron our test, turned to Stephen Jackson and said, do you think we're going to get in trouble for that? And he's completely serious. And everyone laughs. Oh, Ron. And Stephen Jackson just says, we'll be lucky to have our jobs tomorrow. Okay. And trouble they did get in. Yeah. Okay. Because there's all these talks

of like, apparently, Ron R Test just completely blacked out. Doesn't remember it. Like he's a there was a trainer who he'd cut on the eye or something like that in the melee, like to swing in punches and turn to him and said, Oh, what happened there? And he goes, you hit me in the head. Oh, he goes, Oh, sorry. And then like, phone, so he goes, Hey, what happened to your head? And he goes, Oh, that's not good. Yeah, that's not good.

Okay. So the NBA, the then commissioner David Stern came down hard on the players in a statement the next day, Stern said releasing a statement that he's released the statement said, the events at last night's game were shocking, repulsive and inexcusable. A humiliation for everyone associated with the NBA. This demonstrates why our players must not enter the stands

whatever the provocation or poisonous behavior of people attending the games is. Our investigation is ongoing and I expected to be completed by tomorrow evening. So super quick, they're like, we're gonna get this. poisonous behavior of people attending the games is our investigation is ongoing and I expected to be completed by tomorrow evening so super quick they like we're going to get this. So he suspended nine plays of that pay for a total of 146 games, costing them almost $10 million in salaries. Yeah so a test takes the biggest hit with $4.99 five million. Gosh see that must have been lots and lots of games then. Yeah, but he had a heaps more time to go and pick up shifts.

Yeah, he had that job at Circuit City. So, and he was, he was the first guy on the crowd, that's why. Yeah. He was sort of sitting it out. He was sitting it out. Until he got, so what happened was he got, he did a foul. It wasn't even a flagrant foul, which sometimes it's a hard foul. I call a flagrant foul or a technical foul.

What's flagrant? Flagrant, not flagrant. Oh, that smells great. What does that smell? Flagrant foul means unsports like foul. Yeah. When I was playing last time I played, which is a teenager, and I didn't really understand basketball that well,

and the coach is yelling out from the side, stop the clock, Matt, stop the clock. And I'm like, I don't control the clock. I'm not a Tom keeper. You're looking at the coach. And then he goes, foul him, which is what he was trying to say. I said, oh, so I just pushed him off the court. And then they were called it. I mean, it was, that was pretty clear because they, I was like, what's, I don't know what's going on. What's a foul? Punch him in the dick. All right. Yeah, the coach.

Okay, so these are the major finds, okay? So I was quickly, don't you think that part of it is the NBA sort of screwed them by not, they didn't protect them from the fans. So it's like, they're punishing them, but really they wouldn't have been an issue if they didn't have people throwing stuff from the stands and. Yeah, there's a big push from A lot of players who want to stop the bar being at Three quarter time stop the bar, so no

We're gonna drink in the last quarter because they're like that's when your team's losing so you start drinking more and then you're more likely to Right, and you don't get kicked you don't get kicked out the first half to you no no and then in English soccer They don't serve alcohol in the grounds of oh I don't think of the APL I went over there and there was a tent outside when I went to see a game at Yovil and it was just like packed with people getting drunk before the game And then you go into the stadium totally sober was weird. I fell asleep. It's like when you're a Girl two ponds and then go sit. It's like when you're 18 you want to go out for two club Okay, we count of four drinks in the club. So we'll drink all that drinks at home. Oh, free drinks.

Yeah. I'm misprejuring. I'm drinking in the shower. All right. Yeah. This is going to be a big night. So, okay. The fines.

Jameena Niel. 25 games suspended, which you fought down. What? He fought down at 15 because he proved that the only altercation he had was when on the court when the two players came out to attack our test. So he said, I was just defending myself and my teammates. And he was charged with two counts of Mr. Meena assault and battery in actual, I'd proper court, not just the ember energy. Oh, yeah.

He got off those. Didn't have to do any time or pay any charges. Steve and Jackson suspended for 30 games and charged with Mr. Meena assault and battery, which he got off as well. 30 games, for the way, was about $3 million for him. Whoa. That's a lot. Also, yep. Does he have a side job? No.

I wouldn't idea. Oh, actually, he's now a broadcaster, so yeah. How many, the season's a long, that's the only thing. 82, so that this was game nine in the season. 82. 82 plus playoffs. But if you're missing, how did they fit that into a year? Yeah, there's only 365 days a year. How do I do it? How do they do it? Mathematically, it does not work. So they're playing a lot. They play three games a week. Okay. Yeah.

I'm thinking of like a. So yeah. Yeah. So my question was valid. Very bad. So Ron, our test suspended for 73 season games and 13 postseason games. So they just said all of the season all the playoffs You don't play he was charged with Mr. Meena assault and battery He also lost endorsement deals all in all he lost about 7.9 million dollars not circuit city Didn't lose circuits And he broke a man's back Yeah, well, yeah, innocent bystanders and. So John Green, the cup thrower, convicted of Mr. Meena assault and battery and sentenced to 30 days in jail and to use probation.

He had already served three years in jail for assault and battery on his ex-wife. Okay. And in the clip, you can clearly see he tried and punched Ron, I test from behind. Right. So do not feel bad for John Green in the story. I did for a sec because I was like, it was just a moment of two friends being dicks. Yeah. And like, go do to throw it. Need did. But no, he sounds like a dick.

Yeah. So off the back of this, so much change from the NBA, that complete image overhaul and address code came in. So the commissioner, David Stern, had been embarrassed at the Olympics in 2004 in Athens when the US basketball team went out for dinner with the Serbian team and the Serbian team all turned up in suits and the American player just wore hoodies and baggy jeans and he said it was insulting to America. A lot of players were outraged by the dress code because they just said it was racist and it was only targeting clothing aligned with hip hop culture. Right, okay. So if you were turning up in like sandals and some nice car keys. Yeah. How is it an insult to America? Because they're representing the USA basketball

teams, yeah. By wearing like American clothes. That were the biggest stars in the Olympics. Yeah. And so yeah, they were doing it. Like they didn't have, they're not getting paid for you. If Andrew Gays wore, you know, thongs and a hoodie, I'd be cool with that. Yeah, in my head, I would just hear the Australian actually. A tear would roll down with a sheet. Andy Gays. And then Copeland or a-

A Copeland? Yeah, Gays a throw of an aloe. Maybe a bread roll at the dinner table. He'd dunk it in his soup. Now they make a bit of a thing out of it, don't they arrive, they pull up in their flashy cars and they get an amazing outfit. Well now with the dress code they've now gone, oh we can get proper tailored suits and we can be...

Yeah like Ross or Westbrook wears some amazing outfits. He did jacks. He did jacks, yeah. Yeah, he's sponsored by Peter Jackson, he better believe it. Peter Jackson. So that changed, but it also changed, was run our test. In the year he was suspended here to watch as his pace has got kicked out the playoffs by, no, they tried pistons. No, they could, they were winning any games at all, these players are suspended. Yeah, so he was their best player. They came sixth

in their divisions, so the Eastern division. I didn't make it. Yeah, the pace has came third, I think. He then, in his year off, he worked out every day with his brother, and he also made a hip hop album with one song called Haders, which talks about the brawl and his feelings on it. Oh, yeah. So I've got some of the lyrics here. So for some reason, kid, everybody hating me,

I don't know why these cats keep hating me. You, you, you, and you, why are you hating me? I don't know why, but a lot of people hating. Yeah, you can start. That's a big poetry. I imagine he never why, but a lot of people hating. That's the thing, it's poetry. I imagine he never went back to the basketball after that. Yeah. I think that was inspired by early Shakespeare.

I'd say, you wasted all that time telling the story. You could just read those lyrics. I got the whole picture. Okay, here's some more lyrics saying, he really goes hard on some of the actual people. Meteor execs got promotions when they dis-the-players, got their own shows now, but they're the player haters. David Stern, damn, David Stern, I've got to teach they just the players got their own shows now but they're the player haters David Stern, damn David Stern, I've got to teach you about the ghetto some things you should learn

Matt Lauer born NBC you look like a girl don't talk to me we did the interview you automatically hated me talked to me about the brawl then asked about family judged asadurian hope you got promoted that's the judge who sent this to him yeah. John weed green one day. We got to burn it down so everybody can look like clowns. Yeah. Hell yeah. It's Matt Lauer the one that got in trouble for them to move in. Yeah. Yeah. He was on the money then. Ron Artest pretty much everyone he's picked fights with has turned out to be a bad person. Yeah. Was it with the Matt Lauer thing he got in trouble? Was that because he looks like a girl? Well he was saying you look like a girl. So yeah, don't talk to me. Yeah. I don't talk to girls. I only talk to boys. The year suspension

is played out. When he comes back, he imposes GM the Hick from French lick Mr. Larry Bird, Bourneware. French Hick. Gary Indiana. What? Yeah. You are, no. What? Is that right? I think he's born in Gary Indiana. Oh my god. Yeah.

Oh my word. Oh, this man. I deserve this an episode. Yes. He must be the most famous person Gary Indiana of all time. Apart from Jackson. Oh yeah. I was going to say apart from Mr. Gary himself.

But all right, third, third most famous. I'm pretty sure it's in Gary Indian, when I was a kid, there used to be a sports documentary on him and it was Gary Indiana. Wait, he's the Hick from French League or something. I know, but I think that's just because it rhymes. Oh, okay, great. So I went Shane Warn was the Earl of Twirl, he wasn't really an Earl. I'm an Earl.

You've been blowing my mind all up, is he? He didn't twirl it. He actually used to write, I'm respin, I think you'll find. Okay, so they appear, Larry Burton, Ron, I test appear on the cover of Sports Illustrated to say everything is cool, but everything was not cool. Our test asked to be traded, which they did. He then bounced around a few teams like Sacramento, Houston, and then he landed in Los Angeles where he won the championship in the 2009-2010 season and do yourself a

favor, people, and watch his press conference after they win. It is amazing. He comes out all excited and goes, what? You guys aren't excited for me. Oh, I've worked my whole life for this. Oh, come on. Oh, I'm going to be in a Weaseprox. Oh, no.

And then just like, yeah, it's really great. Wow. He actually loved him. I'm so glad that he won the championship. I thought you're going to say that he bounced around and that he never got the glory. So that's great that he got there. Then in 2011, with the brawl still lingering over him, even after everything he had accomplished since, he made a decision. Ron our test, a name that you loved Dave. I love it. Oh my God. He changed his name. Oh, to meta world peace. No.

Yeah. Meta- Meta-world peace. Now, it's hard to get the truth of why he's given a few reasons why he changed this. Some interviews, he said he had a dream and he was called this. Others say he got into Buddhism and wanted to name the reflect of the real him. The main thing about the change though is on the back of his jersey, it would say, world peace.

And the announcer's had to say stuff like, in Bryant passes to world peace and world peace shoots and it's good. That's amazing. He also admitted he almost changed his name to Sohood, which after the brawl in Detroit probably wouldn't have been the best PR move. But the name changed worked.

So people before didn't like Run Our Test, the casual fan, like, no, he's the thug who started that fight. Then he changed his name to World Peace, and he was hit with people who didn't know it was Run Our Test. They went, oh, I like that guy who's got World Peace, that's funny.

Oh, right, a bit of a brand. Yeah, he even made a guest cameo on Kids TV show, Yo Gabba Gabba. Oh, wow. So that he's a total switch from being this thug from the ghettos to this. He's the lovable guy who is just happy and he's called well peace. That's amazing. Then he went to change it again and I'm not sure if he changed it legally but in 2014 he went to

play in China for a team in China and he changed his name there to pandas friend. That's good branding. Just one panda. Yeah, and one last thing, this is the last thing. So, do you know who Meta World Peace talks to almost every day? Oh, does he talk to God every day? His mum, I think he's found Buddhism, so maybe not God. I don't know, not his mum. Ah, I want it to be the guy who threw the cup you are right

Yeah, he talks apparently to John Green every day Wow It's like when the Pope met with the guy who tried to shoot him. Yeah, so I think that a friendship out of adversity They are like Kiana on Sandra Bullock from speed. That's like yeah every day apparently That's why would you do that cup at him and then no difference not be a sequel name That's why I went to you to that cup at him and then, no, they're friends. Nothing to see cool, man. Speed two.

Chris Control. Yeah. Oh, that is good. So that, dear friends and listeners, is the melis at the palace. That is a thing. That was quite a story. Well, yeah, it's straight now.

So now, like, security's really high. Yeah. People, if even yell, there's some great YouTube, you can go down some real cool YouTube holes of fans, giving the fingers to players and getting kicked out. Like there's one like fan, there's really tubby dude, giving the finger to Russell Westbrook and Russell Westbrook just stays him down

and this guy kind of just cows down. That's great. Yeah. Because I've never heard of that. And then, all these security issues, it sounds like something that would have happened maybe in the 70s or 80s. Yeah, well this is...

In a more naive time, if you will, man. Well, this is in there in 2000. There's people now who are saying that actually are really thankful that it did happen this way because it could have been a lot worse because it could have been someone brought in a gun. Well, that's the other thing. A lot of people in America obviously can carry it.

I don't know. You're probably not allowed to bring into a stadium. I hope. Well, back then, they wouldn't have had metal detectors. It's just if you're a ticket going. Now everyone there's a metal tape you can't go. Yeah. Got an MD out here. Like goods and all that kind of stuff. MD out your guns. MD out your guns. Yeah, I actually make you shoot it rather than just say the ammo. MD if you're around. Into the bucket, please sir.

What kind of bucket is it? Well, It's got to be a meta one. That's going to be a holy one. Deflecting all around the place. I was imagining like a big red bucket that a kid would take to the beach and has like a smiley face on it. It's just filled with holes. Oh, wow. That is meta pandas friends. This is a few years ago.

It's playing in China. Is your tie now? Well, he played in China and then he went and played two more seasons for the Lakers. So he kind of went out the NBA, played in China. Then the Lakers were terrible. So he was good enough to play again for them. And then he retired like to end of 2016. I feel I feel so embarrassed.

I don't know any of this. Yeah, you're the casual sports fan. I'm a casual sports don't know any of this. Yeah, I heard it. You're the casual sports fan? I'm a casual sports fan. A casual sports fan. It feels like this is a casual sports fan would have heard of metal world peace. And especially when it's brand as the mouse and the palace. I mean, that's good branding.

That is good branding. That is awesome. That is just wild. That go, I think that completes our trilogy of sporting controversies. We started with the rumble in the jungle and we had the Montreal Screw Job. That's the first one I listened to.

Yeah, right. And now completing it with the mallas at the palace. Oh, all great names. Yeah, all great. And you obviously made the basketball fan a long time, Josh. Were you watching this season? No, I moved away from basketball around this time. So I was a big basketball fan as a kid, played it, and then in 99 I went into the theatre

degree and no one, none of my friends were into sports. I went, oh, I got a body baller doing this. Yes, and no one to talk to about it, yeah. Let's talk about Harold Pinter. And also that's when you figured out you weren't 6'9". Yeah, exactly, yeah. I could have told you that. I came real quick, because I was a quick shock.

I was 17, I was still waiting on that grocery. Yeah, I'm still told you that. I came real quick, because I was a pretty sure. I was 17, I was still waiting on that grocery. Yeah, I'm still waiting on one. I'm hoping for just a little bit more. Hey, Jess, you had your time. You were a tall kid at least. I was a tall kid. How much would a growthsvert now rule in your life though?

You've gone by a whole new wardrobe. Oh, you're probably right. I have to change how your settings are in your car. Yeah. Just stay the same way. That's terrific. Oh, you're right. Now I feel great about my heart. Woohoo! Growing pains as well. Yeah. I mean your same way. That's terrific. Oh, you're right. Now I feel great about my height.

Woohoo! Growing pains as well. I mean your bones are still growing. Hey, what's that? Yeah. Yeah. Don't want any bones growing. Yeah, if there's any 14-year-olds listen to this,

you're gross. Yeah, dude. Yuck. One of my cousins grew so fast and is very tall. He's like six foot six or maybe seven. That doctors told him to stop playing sport for a while. Cause his body was just, shut, he was getting injured because his body had grown so fast

that like muscles around it just couldn't, it was like, ah, I think is the technique to- Like theparagus. Apparently,paragus grows really fast. Really? And it grows so fast in hothouses and listeners, see if this is true or not. Cause I got told this and I couldn't be bothered looking it up

Yeah, apparently it grows so far. She can pick it twice in a day That in the morning go out in the afternoon, but it makes you piss smell weird. So not everyone only some people really Yeah, oh, that's fascinating. That is a fun fact. That is a fun fact That is a fun fact, but I really doubt it. I'm sorry to say. Yeah, it feels like they're, I would have seen a video of that surely. No, actually, no, there are parts, there are types of bamboo that I believe can grow a foot in a day.

So maybe in Hot House. Ah, Panda's friend. Ah, yes. Bamboo. Yes. Well, that brings us to the end of the report, which brings us up to everyone's favorite segment of the show. I'm sure Josh would agree. This is favorite segment.

It's the fact-quotal question segment of the show. We love the segment. Yeah, we do. Everyone's favorite. This is all part of our Patreon supporters. One of their... What do we call these things, rewards? Reward, that's right.

This is your reward. Ha ha ha ha ha that felt like a cruel laugh there, Jess. I thought this segment was everyone's favorite segment of the show. It is. This week's Fat Quotal Questioner is a man with a superb name, Bruce Smith. This is first time in the Fat Quotal question segment. And you also get to give yourself a title.

He's gone for oh hang on his actual name is Andrew John Smith so he's given himself the title of most original name on the Patreon Andrew John Smith because we was at another similar to most average American I've ever seen. And this week, Brew has chosen to give us a quote. And this is from a quote from, and I never read these until we record. It's so dangerous. This is a quote from Ismbard Kingdom, Brunel.

And the quote is, oh, this feels appropriate. Oh, good. So far. If we must have heroes and wars where into make them, there is no war so brilliant as a war with the wrong. No hero so fit to be sung as he who has gained the bloodless victory of truth and mercy.

I mean, you could almost have guessed that that was a meta-world piece of quoting here. Was that, I mean, it sounds like something. But did he, he didn't have a fourth name change to, is there, is there some a bud kingdom, Brunel? I feel like he'd choose kingdom. Kingdom, yeah, kingdom's very much in the world. Beautiful middle name.

Brunel, not Brunai. I'm reading it as it's written and I don't think Bruce Smith would make a spelling error like that. And it's kind of gross that you insinuated that day. And I was insinuating that you can't read. Is that kind of gross or is that... Well, I mean, as I went through it two or three times there and I was feeling, I was getting sweaty.

That was nerve-wracking. Because I mean, the quote in itself is written real weird. I bet it's from a different time. Well, here we go from Wikipedia, Islamabad, Kingdom Bruno, very well pronounced, I should have said that to you, Matt, was an English mechanical and civil engineer who was considered court one of the most

ingenious and prolific figures in engineering history, one of the greatest figures of the industrial revolution. Right. An engineer, tool map war, yeah. Yeah, right. What era was he from? Born in 1806 to 1859, he built the Great Western Railway and a series of steam ships, including the first propeller driven transatlantic ship. Oh, I know this guy.

I think he did the tunnel as well. There's a big tunnel. There's a big tunnel. There's a big tunnel. The box tunnel. There it is. I just recognize this photo. He's got a great look. A new Viduck called the box tunnel. I believe he has a tunnel that possibly goes under the Thames that he's spent a long time. No, don't just having a purve. Oh, dude, Dave. Yeah, having a great time, noting out here. It was good fun. So thank you so much for Smith. You've sent Dave into a spiral.

And can I just say, I've just looked up Larry Bird where he's born, West Baden Springs. Damn, and I thought he was born in Gary. In Indiana? It's the Indiana. So it's probably close by. He was raised in nearby French lick. Yeah, French lick.

That is a real place. Yeah, French League, Indiana. I swear he's got some ties to Gary. Oh, we've all got ties to Gary now, huh? Yeah, yeah. That's my true home. My spiritual home is Gary, Indiana. Physically.

Moves through. Oh, yeah. So thanks to Mr. Smith, I appreciate that. Thank you appreciate that. Thank you, Mr Smith. Well done. The Boo Dog himself and the other segment that everyone does love is our Patreon read where we thank a few of our Patreon supporters.

Dave, where can they support us on Patreon if they want to do that? It is at patreon.com slash dooghawonpod or at dooghawonpod.com. And by supporting this show, you're also supporting my other show, Prime Mate's podcast, which all three of these great people have been on and also Dave, your podcast book cheat, which all three of us great people have been on.

Absolutely great. It's an insistuous little. Yes, we all love to pod together. Okay. So this, Josh, what we normally do is we think a few of our supporters and Jess comes up with a little game. Maybe you can help with us today. It's something, we give them something

that's related to the topic. What do you think of Jess? Well, I was thinking some kind of, maybe a rhyming thing from where they live. That might be too hard. You know, like, Malice and the Power. No, I like that a lot. And Josh, you have to do all six

Okay, it doesn't have to be where they live He's a librarian The man knows words write songs and he knows he writes salt. Oh, yeah, you'd be this would be right in your sweet spot All right, let's kick it off when I am here something on a hearsay I like giving money to go on every day. Yeah Not every day just once a to go on every day. Yeah. Not every day. Just once a month. No, every day.

Dave, where's M.O. in the US as a state? Mizzura. Mizzura? I think so. Oh, great. Well, from Valley Park in Mizzura, I'd love to thank Jake King. Jake King. Oh, Jake King.

Oh, the push up King. Oh, the push up King. Push up King. Jake King from Valley Park. You've got a very famous AFL player who shares your name. If you're on my podcast, that's what I'd say. You share your name with a guy with ties to the underworld. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Yeah. And also a great push up guy, I guess. That's, yeah. Where are you going to get the nickname? Yeah, he apparently did lots of push ups. The push up guy, I guess. That's where he would have got the nickname. Yeah, he apparently did lots of push ups. The push up king. So from Valley Park, Jake is the... Valley Park, the...

Oh, there's not many rice in Valley. What about that? What about the Mellie after dark? Oh, yeah. But you have to say Mellie, which some people do so. The Mellie after dark from Valley Park I love it Jake huh? I love it the sound of someone loving it Oh

This one we can hear you. I feel like this one might be easier maybe from Manley in Australia. I was just there It's James a Louis James James Alois. Alois. Alois probably more accurately. Many options pick your favourite jokes. Manly. Manly. Manly. Manly.

Can you rhyme the same word with the same word? The manly from Manly. Oh, I love that. And is it, wait, what, I don't know if I understand this game. Is it like the Hick from Frenchlic? Is that the idea? Maybe. There aren't strictly.

Stanley Knife that belongs to the Manly wife. Yeah. That's right. You're now or future wife that have watched your around-sharp objects. Yeah. Sorry about that. Stanley Knife. If everything about Manly is everything in in Manly is named like the shops, it's like the

Manly shop, or the Manly Ferry. Yeah. And yeah, it's good. They're going to have one of each thing. Just to clarify where they are. Yeah. David, would you like to thank some people? Pleasy.

I would like to thank from Montreal in Quebec, Canada. I would like to thank John Nicholas Burdon. Ooh. John Nicholas Burdon. Love that. Or Jean Nicholas. It's French John. So John Nicholas.

Jean Nicholas. What about the free for all in Montreal? Oh, that's good. Oh, that's good. That is good. Yes. Maddie, look at you go. You did it.

You want a quick turnaround from you having no idea how it worked to nailing it in your first go. Well, when you said anything goes, it really clarified for me. Good. What about the deck in Quebec? Oh, that's good. Some are watching the face. Someone actually connected, right? I've got to watch on YouTube, the vision of that big man running and then

slipping over just before he kills someone with a fist. That's the best. That's amazing. Who else have you got? I would like to thank now from, let's have a crack at this. Holt's Kirchen, the very adjrmany. Uh-oh. Deutsche Land, Dave.

Come on, mate. Sorry, it is Dei. Deutsche Land, I do apologize. I don't know why we don't call you what you want to be called in your country. Weed, isn't it? Strange thing. Why do we have English versions of just calling what they are? I find that fat, like Brazil is so close to how they spill it. Yeah, why do we-

We're the Z-L-S. Just spill it how they want to be- We call it Rome. They just call it Roma. Yeah. It's just an E and it's so strange. It's the same amount in Scrabble. I just don't worry about it.

Maybe that's why. That's why Brazil was church. Yeah, that's right.. I just don't worry about it. Maybe that's why that's why Brazil was I get to use my 10 for this That would make sense sadly Josh, I don't know what kind of rules you're playing where you're using place names Come on, what is this Tasmanian rule? Brazilian Brazilian. Ah, that's very good. That is good, you are good.

Thanks. I'd like to thank our friend from Bavaria, Deutschland. Moritz, Remuter. Moritz. Moritz, Remuter. From Bavaria. Bavaria. Oh, I nearly had something and then I lost it immediately.

What rhymes with Bavaria? Bavaria. That's a familiar one. That's a familiar one. Oh. Did I lost it immediately. What rhymes with Bavaria? Bavaria. That's what's wrong with me. Malaria is Bavaria. Oh. Did I do it? Yeah. That's good. That's a vaccination of malaria and Bavaria.

It's slightly more positive. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that. It's a barrier. I've got to say, one of my favorite, all-time favorite desserts is the chocolate Bavarian.

Do you think that really is from Bavarian? I'd highly doubt it, but if it is, I'm going there. Yeah. I'm such a fan. And the black forest cake, that's in the same sort of areas, isn't it? Yeah, I'm a fan of the black forest as well. Yeah. Yeah, that's funny with the things. I know a German, a German meal is I know a German meal is prosciutto on rock melon or cantaloupe. Oh yeah, okay. That doesn't sound too good. I had a friend who was German, who stayed with me for a month, who as a thank you cook to sold dinner, and that was the first course, and I was like, is this a joke? Yeah.

You're waiting for your study. Yeah, because you're trying to be polite. Not too bad though. Yeah, not too bad. Okay. Flavors, they all go together. Yeah, that's a taste of passion. Yeah.

Can I thank some people? Please. Please, please. Please, please. Please, please. Can I? Dave, fine. Thank you.

I'd like to thank, from Brunsunswick Victoria, where we are right now, not to give too much away. I'm directly under the sun. Yeah. I would like to. I don't think we had a sense of reference this week. That's one right now. I'd like to thank Tess Flotman.

Oh, fantastic man. Flotman. Flotman. Josh, could you think of anything that's Brunswick Flotman? Flotman. Flotman. Flotman. Did you think of anything that's bronze with Flotman? Flotman. Flotcan. Tess in Brunswick using her fun stick.

Yay! Yay! Couldn't get rude. It could not be rude. It could be a post stick. Yeah, whatever. Whatever you think is fun, Tess, a stick of that. Yeah, like a big boss.

Yeah. That often them fun sticks, probably, they before your time. A big boss. A big boss of girl. I'm a fan. Yeah. That I found them fun sticks. Probably, they before your time? A big boss. A big boss a girl. I'm a fan. No. The candy.

They used to have the tip on the end that was a different color. Yeah. Represent it was being lit. Now they don't know. Now they're just a, a musk stick. Yeah. Oh god.

I like the little fads. I love the fads. Oh, love fads. There's an episode in that. Love fads. Evolution of the name Fads. Yeah. Yeah.

When I was a boy. And so thank you to Tess. Thanks Tess. Enjoy your fun stick. Drop by any time Tess. I'd like to thank also from Uber Huber Heights. Uber Huber Heights? Huber.

Oh, so it's not Uber Huber. No, I'm an idiot. The Uber Huber. Uber, Uber Heights? Uber. Oh, so it's not Uber, Uber. No, I'm an idiot. The Uber, Uber, Uber. Uber Heights, Ohio. Oh, hey, just Ohio, right? Yeah, our favorite state, please. I'm just checking. I'd like to thank Harold E Stutz, Jr.

Oh, please give me a regard to Harold E Stutz, Sr. That's the answer. Please, Harold E Stutzutt's senior is my father. Are you going to have a son Harold and call that Harold E. Stutt's the third? Oh, that's the dream. That's the dream. We've got a few of the third patrons, which always makes me feel very good. I like to add it to the end of my name sometimes, but it's not true.

Yeah, I mean, there's probably been to other Jess Perkins at some point. Harold Sturts in the Caboots. Yeah! He's done it again! Somebody, stop him. Please stop. Disra a bonus fun fact. I'm looking out for Uber Heights because it really makes me laugh a lot. Uber Heights motto is quote,

America's largest community of brick homes. Oh, whoberhearts, some smart little piggies. One of them got everywhere else. Those sticks for those sticks and straws. Puffin and puffin. We are going to have to add that to the list. Whoberhearts. Whoberhearts. Who, I love it so much. And then when we drive through there, we have to be playing Hoobistank now on the radio, on the radio. I'll call up and request some. No, no, perfect person. To no, actually no Hoobistank.

Oh, that is, I'm a sure, I knew it was one of those. That was their big, big song. The reason is you, that was the, that was number one for ages. And I'm sure. So on our American tour list so far, we've got Gary Indiana, French Hick, which is Hany, because they sound like we're relatively.

And now, yeah, who the Hight, so. Who the Hight was it? Ohio is actually borders, I think Indiana as well, so far. We're behind. Yeah, we could probably just walk it. That is right. They play in the same division, so that's probably, yeah, we could probably just walk it. That is right. They plan the same division. So that's probably

yeah, anyway, wow. Strange. Well, this does bring us to the end of the show. Before we go, we should tell people that they haven't already muscled us into Josh L.s. Don't you know who I am, podcasts? Every Thursday. Every Thursday. You have lots of guests from across the Planet Broadcasting Network. Yes. But lots and lots of Australian comedy legends have been on your show.

Yes. So I've had people like Hannah Gadsby, I've had Tom Gleason, Sean McCullough. Sean McCullough has been on. Laurence Mooney. Laurence Mooney, I've even had international songs. Damian Cowell from Tism. Damian Cowell from Tism was on. That was a really nerve-wracking one because I wasn't sure if he was going to play along, but he did. He was great. Oh, I've had people like Josie Long on from the UK. I was on that app. Oh, you were too. It was in this very room.

No, it wasn't. Was it Triple A? No, it was in this room. Garant to you. Well, I guarantee it was a Triple. Anyway, I'm going to make some money. It was true. Yes.

Who else have I had of bet-stealing from the States? That's true. And you do a lot of live shows and you're doing more and more around the country. Yeah, so because your live show's are very, very popular and they're some great, great, great episodes. I'm doing one in Brisbane, so if you're in Brisbane,

I'm doing one on March 16th, at Hayabah, and I can already tell you the line up. So it is Becky Lucas, Mel Buttle, Cameron James. Not so fit. No, I'm joking. And Guy Montgomery. Oh my God, all James. Not so fit. No, I'm joking. And Guy Montgomery. Oh my God. Yeah, all star.

They're four superstars. Yeah, it's going to be fun. So tickets at my website, joshail.com.au. Perfect. And I mentioned my Melbourne shows are on sale as well. So I'm doing it. If you're in Melbourne, I'm doing a stand-up show called Joshail Talks as part of the Comedy Festival in March, April.

And I'm also doing my podcast for live ones of the European B cafe, all the details are at Josh Hill.com.au. And your standup show is people are going to be walking out of that with their mouths wide open, Arkin. That story is wild. Yeah, I tell, I tell a very, very true story. And it's, get to say that I went and found some old home videos. It's even better.

Oh my God. There's stuff I discovered that I did not know. And that's good. Oh, I don't know what the story is, but I'm really excited to see this show. I'm excited to turn the mic off and ask him about it. I'm not gonna spoil it now. Yeah, we don't want to ruin it.

But Dave wrapped this up so I can ask you. Well, I just quickly, we are also doing four shows of the Melbourne Comedy Festival at European beer cafe. I believe we're on the different day to you. So you can make a weekend of it. Yeah. What, what are you Saturdays? Saturday afternoons.

Yeah, I'm Sunday afternoons. Sunday afternoons. And lots of, lots of pods going on at the beer cafe, as usual, so that should be great fun. We're also in Adelaide for the first ever time. Just put tickets on sale a couple of weeks ago, March the 10th, which is a Sunday afternoon, the National Wine Center. Come on down. People tell us Adelaide is hard to crack. So we're hoping that

we can crack it. Like an egg. People say you only make the mistake of booking an Adelaide podcast once. We have to make them a sec twice. You guys are going to crack it like your announcer and Ron our test Cop that Adelaide's back We're gonna crack it also. I'm doing my setup to her through Perth Adelaide Brisbane and Melbourne and you can find out details about that at matstruetcomedy.com Slash gigs and if you use the code do go on you get a sweet discount Hell yeah, and it's a it's you're gonna leave my show with your math. Why don't I open?

No, that's a good question. That's a good question. Sorry, yeah, wow. Have you found any video evidence about this? Because I'm a fan. Oh great. Yeah, and I'll pass it on to you for a press. Yeah, well I'll pay anything.

An egg. Here you go. Why did you have that with you? You carry an egg. Always carry an egg. He was keeping it warm. That's weird. I wanted to, it's going to hatch. Cold egg. All right. All right, I'm going to wrap this up right now. You can get in contact anytime at dogoonpod.com and we are at dogoonpod on all the social medias and our website is also the place to find links to our merchandise and the Patreon and to any of those live shows that I mentioned that we are doing and we're going to announce a few more coming up so keep an eye on the website. But I guess that

really is the end of the show. Josh, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. That was a fantastic report. I got to say that was one of the best reports so far this year. Yes! Yeah! No, it was very, very, very, very exciting. So hopefully, have you gone again sometime soon? A pleasure. But until next time, I will say thank you and goodbye! Bye! Bye! This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planet broadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean if you won't, it's up to you. Hi, icons.

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