Do Go On - 178 - Fleetwood Mac, The Making Of 'Rumours'

Episode Date: March 20, 2019

Released in 1977, 'Rumours' is Fleetwood Mac's eleventh album and would go on to become one of the best selling albums in history. But being the scenes, the band were really struggling during the recording. With two inter band relationships splitting up, a whole lot of affairs, a ridiculous amount of drugs and very personal songs written about each other... it's a miracle they were able to record anything, let alone one of the greatest albums of all time.Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicTwitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] tickets to Matt's stand up show (in Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane and Melbourne) with the early bird discount code: dogoon via mattstewartcomedy.com/gigsCheck out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ3_Y93BJ4HvwiawUKHCeuBXYWzc1d6Mmhttps://vintageking.com/blog/2017/11/fleetwood-mac-rumours/https://www.soundonsound.com/people/fleetwood-mac-go-your-own-wayhttps://www.ranker.com/list/true-stories-behind-fleetwood-mac-rumours-album/melissa-sartore

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnikey and I'm here with Jess Perkins and Matt Stewart. Hi Dave, hi, hi, Matt, hi Dave, hi. That third high was for everyone else, not included. Oh. Greg in the corner there. I think you're going to go through every listener. Greg, Jerry, Jessica, Sandra.

Well, you didn't let me finish. Greg in the corner there. Sandra up in the crawl space above us. Oh, God. Is that what that is? It's very hot. She should not be up there. Sandra, who's milking a cow.

I mean, you already said Sandra. She's milking the cow. What, there's one Sandra in the world. Is she milking the cow in the crawl space? Yeah, you're right. I'm the idiot. Thank you. That's all I was asking for.

Finally got it on tape. Oh, there's the only one Sandra in the world. That's my friend. impression of Matt. That was good, spot on. Thank you. Sorry. How were you talking to yourself?

How were you talking to yourself then, Matt? Oh, this is my impersonation of Matt. That was really good. You're impersonation of Jess doing an impersonation of Matt. No, that was me talking. Oh, my God. I closed my eyes and I got confused. Oh, my God.

That's my impression of Dave. Dave, you can't impress an of yourself. You can't impress an of yourself, as I always said. But I did an impression of myself. It would go a little something like this. Hello. Oh. Is that off?

I don't buy it. I don't hear it. Great to be here back in the studio after having some good fun in Adelaide. Oh, Adelaide. Adelaide, more like Adelaide fun place to be. Adelaide Tourism Board, if you want to get in contact with us, Matt can write your slogans. Matt, how much are you going to charge to write a slogan? 70.

$700. $700. I'll accept your offer. He's a good negotiator. Yeah, he is. And a good copywriter. Hey, I tell you what, we had so much fun in Adelaide. Why don't we do it again in Melbourne, but four times?

Oh, yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. On Saturday afternoons, I've enrolled us in the Melbourne International Comedy Festival, late entry. Oh. Is this like a school? Yeah, we go to school. Yeah, we will be studying between three and four people. on Saturdays starting...

I like that. Not this weekend, the weekend after, on March 30. I like an hour of study a week. Yeah. But on Saturday, that's when the bad kids are at school. Yeah. It is a detention in a way. And but tickets are on sale if you want to watch us do our homework, live on stage.

We're going to reenact the breakfast club. I'm going to be the one with red hair. Yeah, okay. I'm going to be the jock. You're the little nerd weirdy one. You're Emilio. Hesterfez, I believe. Yep. I'm also the jock.

Ooh, double jock. Oh, that makes sense. Second jock. So I think Jess will play the body of the jock and you can maybe play like all of you squished down together in a big coat. You can play the head. Right, so the head is wearing a big coat. Yeah, scarf. The 80s fashion and the 80s is very different. That's what Matt calls a scarf. Neck coat. Neck coat. Keep me toasty.

Yeah, well played. Well, chuck on my, uh, Feet coats. Yeah. And I'll be ready. Just time up with these laces. Foot coats. Foot coats.

Sho coats. But we are doing four shows of the Melbourne International Comedy Festival at the European Beer Cafe starting not this weekend, the weekend after. And we're going right through every Saturday, four in a row. Going to be a great time. We're only going to release probably two out of the four. At least one. Probably two. On the Patreon feeds.

If you want to see them all, if you want to hear them all, and see them all, come along. Yes. And I was talking to a guy. named Nick Mason. What? Who? He showed an interest of jumping up one of those. I probably should have told you guys this.

This is news to us. Off mic. Anyway, that's something we could do if we want. I like that sizzle. Now I'm excited. But which day should we release the Mason? I'm excited for the prospect of not having to do any work that episode. Right, because he is very funny.

He's very quip funny. Yeah. He's the quippiest in town. Yeah. Will we make him write the report as well? You're saying? 100%. amazing, we'd have to do one each.

Oh, I wasn't think we'd do that. I was actually going to get Matt to write mine. Fair call. I'm a fantastic copywriter. Is that cool? Yeah. Sick. I can kind of paste off Wikipedia for you.

It probably won't be as good a quality as mine because my heart won't be in it. Yeah, that's about right. My reports aren't as good as yours because your heart isn't in it. I'll send you a link to a Wikipedia page here. There you go. And I'll say, you are a life set. No, we must go on the record that we do more than Wikipedia research. That's right.

There's a little dagger in Dave's heart every time there's a comment about it's a Wikipedia podcast. They're like, no, it's not. It's not. No, that hurts. So good. I mean, there's definitely some YouTube in there as well. Yeah, YouTube podcast, that at least sounds high tech. Yeah.

And biographies.com. Oh, yeah, I love biographies.com. Britannica. I love Britannica. I'm also a big fan of... What was the Al-something that you... Al-Cation? Al-Cation.

Al-Cation. Listening back to last one's Patreon episode about Scotland. Yeah, you have two sorts... One was the BBC and the other was Al-Cation. Oh, yeah. BBC's good too. Two of the big ones. Big fan of BBC, ABC, ABC. Any of the B-C's.

He's old school. He's BC. Yeah, I love the... Before. Christian era. BCE. Let's modernise. Before common era.

Fuck. God, you're an idiot. Sorry, everybody. Hey, I'm also doing a show at the comedy festival at, I think right now I might be in the Brisbane Comedy Festival. Dave, is that right? Am I up in Brisbane right now? Yes, I can see you.

Am I via satellite link? Yeah. Coming through Aladdin, Claire. So I'm on, in a pretty small room there, so potentially you already sold out these shows. I have no idea, but. I assume. I agree.

I agree. I agree. Just a bit like, oh, lauddy, fucking. All right, Captain Bragg. It's a pretty small room, only 400 people, so I've probably sold out to my whole run. Am I there? I don't even know the day too. I don't know.

I've probably sold every available ticket. No big deal. You're doing 22 at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. I assume 21 are sold out. What's the non-sold-out night? Oh, probably a Wednesday. Please do come along to both of those shows and also in Sydney at the Sydney Comedy Festival. And you can find out all about those shows.

Bone Dry at Matt'schewk Comedy.com slash gigs. But, yeah, Brisbane, I'm being a bit facetious. There's probably a good chance. There's tickets available. So I'd love to see you there. There's also a good chance they're completely sold out. So if you want to get tickets, jump on them quick. Yeah, Brisbane's a shorter run in a smaller room.

So anyway, backpedaling. And he's a massive star. Yeah, I shone very bright. Like a diamond. Yeah. Or a little diamond boy. Like a diamond. Anyway, let's do the show.

Now we've got the plugs out the way. It's time to start the show. It is my turn to report on a topic suggested by some listeners. You guys don't know what I'm going to talk about. Now, I put this up to... No, Dave. We don't care what you're going to talk about. Similar yet different.

Always I misinterpret that. But I put this one up to the Patreon vote. It's my turn at the moment to have nearly all the patrons voting on my topic. And I said it would be a musical topic because you guys have done a lot of musos between you. We've done the Beatles. John Bowie, Johnny Cash. Pantera. Pantera.

Rihanna was recently from Naomi. I don't think I've done a musical one. Elton John. Elton John. Freddie Mercury. I've done a lot of music. Yeah, you've done a lot of musical ones. But I don't think I have.

So I put three Muso Topics up. Over 500 votes. Whoa. The difference between first and second, six votes. Whoa. It was so tight. That is so tight. And this is...

the story of a girl Crowder and drown the whole world And why she looks so bad Good photographs Absolutely love her When she smiles Is it about that song Yeah we've ruined

I was going to tell that story But really draw it out Why tell it when you can sing it Yeah A two, three All right my question for you is Because we do get onto the topic With a question

If you are new here If the question is If we ever get on to topic What is Fleetwood Mac's best-selling album? Rumors. It is rumors. Back up that straight away. Sorry, that's top 10, all-time high-selling.

Absolutely, it is. And yeah, that's maybe even top five. It's super, super big. I believe it is currently number eight, best-selling album of all-time. It's a lot like greatest hits. People would know most songs without necessarily. I've, you know, not really listen to a lot of Fleetwood Mac. but I know so many of their songs.

And your mate, Neil Finn's in them now. Is it your mate? Paul Kelly's your mate. Paul Kelly's your mate and he's mates with Paul Kelly. So he's a friend of a friend. My association. I do love Neil Finn. Yes, same.

So Fleetwood Mac has been suggested by a few people and I've decided to hone in on their most famous and probably craziest recording story for rumours, which we will get to, but it's suggested by Kieran from the south of England, Mimi Zhang from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Sean Lanigan from Derry, McKenna Middlebrook from Potsdam, New York, Mitchell Simpson from Christchurch in New Zealand, and Abby Mylock from New York, who suggested I do rumors.

Not everyone I said Fleetwood Mac, but she said, talk about rumors. So I'm doing it, Abby. Nice. I shouldn't be surprised by the quality of names, but yet again, they have delivered, especially Mimi Zhang. I know, I love that. Oof. They were all fantastic, though. Fantastic. Thanks to all these absolute legends. So have you, you've heard rumors then, Matt. Yeah, I've heard a rumor.

I heard rumor. Is that off that? I've heard rumors. You've heard rumors. You have Fleetwood Mac about me? What have you heard? Because if it's sexy, it's true. It's definitely not.

It's the opposite of sexy. Oh, okay. That sounds very unlikely. Don't know why people are spreading unsexy rumors about me. Yes, I've heard rumors by Fleetwood Mac. You are you guys Mac? So you're not a huge Mac fan? No, I'm not a big Mac fan.

Remember when we're in the UK and we were making a running playlist and one of the rounds was Fleetwood Mac. Do you remember what you chose? Oh, I think I put dreams in, I think. Which is from Rumors. I went Tusk, which is you told me later than Rooms. The follow-up album too. Right. I might have gone for never going back.

Which is. That's your motto. On Rumors. Rumors right there. So growing up, my dad, one of his favorite band. Everis Fleetwood Mac. Probably his three favorite artists, Deep Purple, Elton John, Fleetwood Mac.

Growing up, I did not enjoy any of them. You put it on in the car in long trips and I'd be like, oh my God. That's a great top three. Yeah, no, an adult. A fan of all three, particularly this album, Rumors. And a few years ago, there was something on at the Melbourne Fringe and

I knew someone that was producing a show that they had different Musos interpreting every song from Rumors because it was, I think, the 40th anniversary a couple of years ago. And yeah, we went along to it, took my dad. Awesome. What a bonding experience.

Beautiful. Did he shed a tear and say, I love you, son. In spirit. Because that would have made Jess furious. Yeah, you would have hated that. I would have had to have a word. Your dad's soft. I would have been like, give me his address.

Just going to pay him a visit. I'm not going to hurt him on the outside. Jess hates emotions. I'm going to hurt him on the inside. With emotion. Yeah. Something you hate. Yeah.

You're going to hurt yourself as well. Yeah. Take him out with you. But do you know much about the recording of rumors? Because it's quite famous for the fact that it was a bit of a tumultuous time in the band. Despite that, they came out the other side with the eighth best-selling album of all time. I know a bit about the spreading of rumors. I went to an old girl's school.

Yeah, a lot of that. A lot of looking at people as they walk past you, like, that's her. You know? That's her. Yeah. What a head pointing. Yeah, oh, so much. Don't look, don't look.

So much passive aggression. So, yeah, I know another thing or two about rumours. I only vaguely know that there were relationships in the band and they maybe were going sour around this time. Oh, is that an understatement? It's a crazy story and we're going to get into it. But to give some background here, Fleetwood Mac first formed in London in 1967 and they were initially a blues band.

67. I wish it was two years later. I wish it was a year before, so they could have shared the year with the Saints Premiership success of 1966. No, you don't want to... The Saints deserve that all to themselves. That's true.

That's true. I'm glad nothing else big happened that year. Nothing. Beatles didn't release any sort of classic albums. Nope. England didn't win any big soccer trophies. They've never won any big soccer trophies. No, they've never brought anything home, as far as I can remember.

So they were initially a blues band. And guitarist Peter Green was the guitarist for a blues act called John Mail and the Blues Breakers, where he'd replaced a young Eric Clapton. The bass player of the band was John McVee, and the drummer was a man called Mick Fleetwood. Huh. No relation. Any coins like that? Imagine. To you?

Yeah. So I've got to point out which one of these people are related to me. Yeah. It's easier to say who isn't. Yeah. Right. Fair. Peter Green and Mick Fleetwood had previously played together in a band called Shotgun Express

that featured a young Rod Stewart on vocals. There was a lot of cross-pollination of English rock bands. And a lot of the vibe is happening here. There's a lot of future rock and pop legends. Right. Sort of all working it out. But all choosing a real shitty band name. Shotgun Express.

Horrendous. John Mal and the Blues Breakers. And we love it and though, but that sucks. The Blues Bruns. breakers. Why are you breaking the blues? I know. God.

The ball breakers, that's something. Unless they mean like blues, like I've got the blues, like depression. Yeah. So I'm breaking that. I'm getting happy again. Yeah. In that case, I'm on board. But is that a good name for a blue band?

We don't know the context. That's true. Yeah, that's right. A formerly blue band. Inspired by the success of Cream, the Yardbirds and Jimmy Hendricks, three of the Blues Breakers, Peter Green, Mick Fleetwood and eventually John McVey decided to break away from male in 1967.

They formed a band with Jeremy Spencer, and Green one day quipped that they should call the band Fleetwood Mac, named after combining the names of drummer Mick Fleetwood and bassist John McVee. Okay. So he suggested we should name it after you two. Yeah. Why? You know, I'd be like, get a piece of me in there too.

Yeah, I think they thought was a little bit strange. Fleetwood Green sounds good. Sounds pretty good. But maybe he was just a modest guy. No, I don't trust him. You reckon what was his play there? What do you reckon he was up to? He's up to no good.

Okay. Well, he did put his name onto the band a little bit. In 1968, the band released their debut album and it was called Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. Oh, right. So the only one missing out there is. That sucks. Jeremy Spencer, the other guitarist, is a bit like, I'm also in the band. Yeah, so it's a little bracket that says featuring.

Feet. Jeremy. And then in the picture... Jeremy's here too. The rest of the band's in a poster, but he's sort of breaking through it with his hands and spirit fingers. And Jeremy. Classic Jeremy. It was an instant success this album in the UK. It was in the top ten for most of that year and sold very, very well.

But it was largely unnoticed in the USA. So I didn't realize that they're British. Yes. Do they bring in American members? I'm going to tell us all this real soon. Sorry, Sorry, Jess. Shut the fuck up.

But at this time, they're 100% made in the UK. Right. The second album, Mr. Wonderful. Still a blues album. Yuck. But they added in horn sections and their friend, what were you thinking? They added in their horny spirit.

It was lots more sexual this song. It was very horny. Yeah, they became a scar band. Bab, Bob, Bob, Bob. Do we Armstrong? I'm pretty sure she's doing the full house theme when she scats. Oh, I'm scarting. Oh, you're scarring.

Sorry, scarting your pants. Keep your scar to yourself. Give her a cloth. All right. They added in horns. You're going to need a bigger cloth. I don't know what that is. Sort of like a jaws reference for some reason.

But like in a British room. It was like the Fleetwood Mac version of jaws. Yeah. A lot and also not a lot going on there. Your jaws were set in England and they needed to clean up a big mess. I think it would sound a little like this. I would have been a big Vegas comic in the 80s. It's a little something like this.

We're going to need a big cloth, governor. Thank you. Thank you. And a standing ovation, bow, bow, bow, except flowers. Drive off in your Lamborghini. Kissed nearest beautiful lady. He's looking at like a checklist in his hand. All right, who's that?

So they added in horn sections and their friend Christine Perfect played piano. She became close to the band, in particular basis John McVee, whom she married in 1968 and became Christine McVee. Oh, that's so much better. And I didn't think you could get better than perfection.

Yeah. But Christine McVee is better. Good, great, perfect, Mick V. She sort of also married into naming rights of the band. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, she's now half of the band. Now there's two members that it's named after the Mac bit. And they've dropped the top half?

Peter Green. Peter Green. Yeah, so that was just the name of the album, but the band was always Fleetwood Mac. That's a real weird name for an album. I guess in his mind, he's like, who knows how long this will last. We'll probably never make a top 10 all-time-selling albums.

I mean, my last band was called Shotgun Express. Nothing could be worse. Check meat. Singer and songwriter Peter Green started to suffer mentally after ingesting way too many hallucinogenic drugs and left the band claiming he was going to give away all of his earnings. And he sort of just disappeared. Well, not fully disappeared, but sort of just left. Oh, he didn't just evaporate.

No. We're not idiots, Dave. We have done full reports about people disappearing. What's that guy? The evaporating couple. The first Christmas time. The 27 club, the Manning Street preacher's guy that literally has never been seen. Yeah, that's true.

That does happen, Jess. People do go missing. Sure. But they're not a pot of hot water that just evaporates. Well, pots of hot water also do. Wow. Good point. I stand corrected.

The hot of the more likely it will evaporate. Once I injected too many hallucinogenics, is that the word? And they hallucinogens? And my pot of hot water said, I'm out of here and it evaporated. So, you know, do with that what you will. How'd you cook your skinny? I said, I'm going to need bigger cloth for some reason.

I was high as a kite. I was saying anything. That's when we knew you were high. He's cooking dinner. I'm going to need a bigger cloth. All right, we're going to need Uberites because Matt's going to be in there a while and no food is coming out. It looks like he's spilled his hot tea on the floor and he's losing it. He's crying about it.

Jess is furious. I'm mad. Don't feel anything. Idiots. So Peter Green's gone. He's evaporated. Christine McVee, who had initially retired from the industry

upon marrying John McVee, planning to live as a housewife. I was laughing there for the record at Jess's face. Oh, why? What was the face I was reading? It was just pure disappointment. All right. So she'd initially retired from the industry,

planning to live as a housewife. Yeah, because I mean, you don't need to do anything because you have a husband now. So what you'd understand is. a different time. I don't care. It's a stupid time.

She joined, she went from Housewife to being in the band full-time as co-lead vocalist and songwriter. That's quite a change. Quite a change. John didn't write the songs. So they were like, oh, Peter's gone. Mick doesn't write the songs. We're going to need someone who writes the songs.

Wife, put down that large cloth and come and be in the band. Yeah. I mean, that's not fair, actually. Sorry, I was a little, I was, I was just, I get mad because that was the expectation at the time. Right. Now, if that's just your choice, more power to you. You're saying your pro-choice? Yes.

With band members retiring? Okay. I think anyone can do whatever they want and you shouldn't listen to a dumb podcaster. Hey, hey, hey. With a stupid opinion. Hey. I'm going to go too far the other way if I ever have kids and just be like, I'm going to get another job. And then I'll just never see my kid.

I'll show society. Yeah, I'll show them. No one cares. Take this patriarchy. No one gives a shit. I'm going to work myself. to death. Yeah.

That'll show. I'll show all of you. Getting a job in a mine. 27 hours a day. I'm never going to see my kids. Because fuck them. They come in like, Mommy, I'm like,

don't look at me. I don't know what they look like. Literally can't see them. They evaporated. While on tour in February 1971, so Christine's in the band now. Guitarist and other vocalist Jeremy Spencer said he was going out,

quote, to get a magazine. But he never Retail. He's like the deadbeat dad. He's gone to get cigarettes. After several... I'm going out to get a, um... A magazine.

Yeah, that's it. A magazine. Magazine also means like a bunch of bullets, isn't it? Oh, shit, Dave. Which one was it? Were there any big bank robberies that weekend? Oh my God, Dave.

Well, after several days of frantic searching, the band discovered that Spencer had joined a religious cult, the children of God. That's some magazine. I'm not about a real great brochure. He had also taken a lot of drugs and refused to continue touring with the band. They're on a tour. He goes out to get a magazine.

Apparently he met someone who he just found really convincing and he was looking for something in his life. Like a charismatic cult leader. Yeah. And to this day, he still remains a member of that church. Oh. How wild is that? That's cool. That's cool.

Love dedication. I love that he's still alive. Sometimes cults don't end that well. It also are taking a lot of drugs. Most of the cults that we mention on this podcast do not end too well. I know. We really should find a nice cult. Let's get a good cult just so we can be like, not all cults.

Not all cults. Hashtag it, yeah. Thank you. So now he's gone. New guitarist needed. Danny Kerwin became the other guitarist during this time, and his tenure of the band ended in 1972, and he too had a meltdown. He smashed his head into a wall, smashed his guitar,

and trashed the dressing room before. a gig, all because he thought one of the other members was out of tune. He refused to go on that night and just heckled the band from the mixing desk. He was fired. Oh, geez. He stayed and heckled. Don't people deserve a second chance? He stayed and heckled.

Yeah. He was also whacked out a lot. Basically, they were like, he was young too. He was only 19 at the time and they're like, he's a really talented guy. Great guitarist, but he cannot handle the rock and roll lifestyle. So now that's three guitarists that have all lost it. It's starting to feel a little bit like the band from the spoof, the drummers. Yeah, spinal time.

God damn. Yeah, they are exploding. Yeah, they keep exploding. The next guitarist Bob Weston was fired after he had an affair with Mick Fleetwood's wife, Jenny Boyd, whose sister Patty Boyd was married to George Harrison and would later marry Eric Clapton. Oh, man, she has great taste. Yeah, amazing, right?

Go Patty. Patty. Patty. Patty Boyd. But we're talking about Jenny Boyd. I know, but I'm just saying, Patty. I mean, she didn't name herself, but that's a terrible name, and you could change that. I quite like it.

Patty. Patty. Patty. Like a burger. Oh, the more I say it, the more I hate it. Patty. Beef Patty. And I'm saying that, and I call you Maddie.

So take from that what you will. Patty cake. Patty cake. You know, you've got cow patties, which is cow shit. Oh, that's true. I'm sorry. All beautiful things. Patty Boyd.

Jenny Boyd. Jenny Boyd had an affair with Bob Weston and she was married to Mick Fleetwood. So this affair led to the cancellation of their planned US tour. Their manager wasn't happy with this and decided to continue the Fleetwood Mac tour without Fleetwood Mac. Good. He put together a whole new band under that name claiming that he owned the name. So he could have any. So he just put together a whole new band.

And then they turned up to the gigs and people were like, that's not Fleetwood Mac. What did the, I'm guessing there was a ruling saying that that was not the case? Yeah, they sued him, yeah. You can't just claim to own the name. That would be written down somewhere with some signatures on it. It's like, my name is Fleetwood. I'm a Mick, Fleetwood. That does happen though.

Like Little River Band, well, they all did quit it and that was in writing in a contract. But there's a band going around America calling themselves Little River Band who don't have any original members. while the original members are like, oh, we'd like to be the Little River band again, but they all quit the band. That's a real heartbreaking one, but it does sound like legally,

they're, you know, it's in black and white, unfortunately. You know about that story? No, do not. Yeah, because they were about to play, because they were about to have a big, like, 30-year anniversary and they were going to play on Jimmy Fallon or something. And the original members are like, we'd prefer if you didn't have this weird cover band play

on your show to celebrate when we started our band. Oh. Happy birthday are the guys whose name we stole. Dend, din, you didn't write any of the songs. You started you're going around playing them legally without name.

Yeah, that must be frustrating. Yeah, that's not cool. But also, they did quit and gave up the rights of their name, so I don't think you can... Yeah, I mean, these people aren't quitting. They're just going, hey, that guy banged my wife. I'm not going to go on tour with the name anymore. And it's my band.

So no one's going on tour. And the manager's like, people won't notice. Yeah. They don't know what bands look like. They just have long hair in this era. Put them on. Just put on some long hair dudes. Somehow through all these ups and downs,

the band managed to stay together and the different lineups released nine albums between 1968 and 1974. So they went through all those guitarists who all lost it in different ways and left to do other things. Do they go through a lot of the songwriters as well? Yeah, so nearly all those guitarists

were the songwriters. them and Christine McVee on piano. So John the bassist and Mick Fleetwood, the drummer, they're the long-term guys, but they don't write any of the songs. So Fleetwood's still, but Mac's gone? No, Mac's still in there. The two Macs are there. Yeah.

So basically that's all that's left now. All of a sudden, their name seems really smart. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they're more invested because their names are in it. True. So they've had some success early on, and then they just sort of just kept going, kept going, kept going.

And in 1974, with the hopes of restarting their career, the band moved to California. Their only remaining guitarist Bob Welch left that year in 1974. He welched. Leaving only members. Drama McFleetwood, bassist John McVee, and his wife, keyboard player, vocalist and songwriter Christine McVee. Their marriage was also incredibly strained

because of John's rampant alcoholism at this time. Oh, John. So they're all very much living the rock and roll lifestyle. Yeah, and it doesn't sound like any of them are really handling it. The rock and roll lifestyle seems like it sucks. I reckon it'd be fun for a night. Yeah. And then the rest of the time it's like, I just want a fucking cup of tea.

I know. And like eight hours. Yeah, you can have that cup of tea. You just got to have half a bottle of bourbon for it. And then you've earned yourself a cup of tea. It does. It feels like a massive trap. Yeah.

Because the problem is it's all your works at nighttime. So you're like, I don't have to get up. So it's just like, and it just rolls on over and over. And you're drinking to get rid of the hangover. And it's very quick. You're going to sleep. Go to bed. But apparently, like, I believe that most of the Rolling Stones don't really drink anymore.

And I heard rumors ages ago the album. And when I heard a rumor, I don't know if this is being confirmed wrong, but, like, Keith Richards would still be swiggin from a bottle of bourbon, but it was really just tea or something in there. And they'd be sitting backstage drinking cups to see. That's his image. Yeah, right. But I'm pretty sure he's even said he doesn't.

He can't really live like that anymore. No one can. Yeah. Be on the age of like 23. You're living out this fantasy of everyone else. You're being who they need you to be. No. It'd be tricky.

That's why so many people die, young or seemingly. Have I just ruined my rep then? No, I think people knew. Yeah, everyone knows you're weak. I'm not weak. So just let me have another drink of tequila. It's not weak to not drink, Dave. Oh, yeah, God, I love that's the good stuff.

Matt's straight to the gin. Oh, yeah. Jess, she's got nothing. She's sober and a loser. Yeah. Come on, Jess, get into the vibe. No. Okay.

She's pretty good at avoiding peer pressure. Well done. I'm actually very stubborn. So as soon as people start to peer pressure me, I buckle down. Yeah. Even if I wanted to do it. If you're like, no, do it, do it. Then I'll be like, fuck you, no.

So like the plane starts going down. You're in the emergency. right? People like, help us open the door. Well, if you're all going to tell me to do it, I'm not going to do it. And then I put on an extra seatbelt. You're wearing two seatbelts. Huh? Huh?

Just try and get me out of this seat. I said their arms closed like, fuck you. Fuck you, then. You can fuck off. No, fuck you. Fuck off. No one's told you to go, fuck yourself. No, fuck you.

No, fuck you. Brace, yeah. I'm not going to brace. Wait, stop saying. Brace, brace, brace. I'm not doing it. You can say it as much as you like. I'm not bracing.

Don't even know. remains. I do not listen. Still, the band managed to stay together and they've moved to California and Mick Fleetwood began the search for a new guitarist and co-lead singer. Whilst Fleetwood was scoping out South City Studios as a potential recording spot in Los Angeles, the house engineer Keith Olson played him a track that he'd recorded in the studio. It was called Frozen Love from the album Buckingham Knicks released in 1973.

Buckingham Nix was an album by a duo consisting of American singer-singer. writers and lovers, Stevie Nix on vocals, and Lindsay Buckingham on vocals and guitars. Guitars. Multiple guitars at once. Very impressive. He's pretty amazing. He plays one with his feet, one with his hands, one with his balls. Really?

Oh, wow. That's definitely the most impressive. No, the fun fact, his balls are left-handed. Oh. So two guitars go this way and then the other one goes the other way. That's cool. That's cool for, you know, symmetry or something. It just looks a lot better.

on his balls It looks better on his balls Rock and roll is all about the image Despite the fact that Buckingham Nicks the album had been a flop Mick Fleetwood liked what he'd heard And approached Lindsay Buckingham And asked if he wanted to join Fleetwood Mac

Lindsay agreed on the provisor That they also bring on board His musical partner and girlfriend Stevie Nix They were a package deal A loyalty Yeah I like that But yeah Stevie Nix She doesn't sound too good

I bet she's going to suck. Yeah, she sucks. That's my pick now. They're going to rue the day. My pick now is that Stevie Nix sucks. Yeah. Well... They made a deal with the devil.

Yeah, Stevie Nix. Mick did. He agreed, and now the band had five members. We've got Mick Fleetwood on drums. John McVee on bass guitar and rampant alcoholism. Christine McVee on piano and vocals. Lindsay Buckingham on guitar and vocals. And Stevie Nicks on vocals.

Two women in the band Disaster Their periods will sink up And they'll both be crazy at the same time For a few days a month We don't talk to them Because they get a little crazy We put them in a little cage

We lock them in a hotel room Yeah they're a bit too much Obviously our rampant alcoholism is fine The rest of the month Oh I mean that's 31 days a month Even when the month only has 28 days I'm drunk 31 They fit in a couple of extra

You said that this was going to be a report just about rumours. Yeah, it is. Okay. This is all a rumor. Oh, okay, sure. Please, Matt, come on. Come on, Matt. Sorry, I'm really need to grow up.

I need to grow up. We're nearly at the rumors a bit, but it would have been, I mean, all that early stuff. It's so integral to the story. Oh, I call you Maddie Boy. Now I'm going to call you Paddy Boyd. Thank you. Yeah, a shocking name, Patty. I, E or Y?

Double T Y. I'm going to call you Paddy Boyd. AllMusic.com describes Stevie Nix as bringing something new to the band with a quote, a husky voice and a sexy, hippie, gypsy stage persona that gave the band a charismatic front woman. I knew that rude. Yeah. Which I quite enjoy.

She sounds like bad news. Stevie and Lindsay both wrote songs and so did Christine McVie. So now the band had three songwriters and three different vocalists. Interesting. Too many? I mean, we have three vocalists, and it's exhausting. And let me just say, Barbara Ann.

Oh, fucking hell, let me hang in there. Why don't you join in? What happened? You just said Barbara Ann. Yeah. Yeah, you're supposed to join. For God's sake. You don't get, you guys haven't been in bands like me.

I get it. Oh, yuck. Sorry, weed whacker or whatever. The weed whacker Express. Weidwiker Express is a better name than Wheat Hornet. This new lineup released their first album together in 1975 called Fleetwood Mac. Sometimes referred to as the Fleetwood Mac White album. I like the mid-career self-titled.

Yeah. It had a much more pop-orientated sound than the earlier blues stuff and slowly became a huge hit, reaching number one in the USA in 1976 on the strength of the singles over my head and Say You Love Me, written by Christine McVee. Love me, love me, say that you. She let that one, yeah? Absolutely not. And Stevie Nix penned the song Riannon.

Rianan, Rian, Rian. I never knew that a girl like you could ever look so fine. Rihanna, yeah. Correct? Yes, the album sold over 5 million copies in the US alone. So it was a big, big seller. So they'd finally cracked the big time. Here we go.

Now they're going to fire Stevie Nix. Well, they went on... She is trouble. They went on an extensive tour and we're now raking in the cash. So now they're quite wealthy. But there was also pressure from the record company to come up with their new album, the next thing. Jeez, he's got ants in his pants, doesn't he? This record label, man, I guess. Thanks. For the record, just gave me a thumbs up. And there was also a hell of a lot of internal pressure going on with the relationships of the band members. Here we have the famous

relationship troubles that Matt alluded to. Oh, Matt, According to Christine, the McVees were happily married for about three years. Oh. As I said earlier, when they had initially married, she said she was going to retire for the music industry altogether. But then Peter Green left the band and she was invited to join. So now her and her husband are living and working together all the time and a very stressful but also very rock and roll job.

So they're all playing in a rock band. Yeah, well, they're all drinking, they're all doing drugs. It's a stressful. Do you think of it as a rock and roll job? Arguably. Yeah, on some level, surely. It's all about the lifestyle. It's not like podcasting, which is a real rock and roll job.

Oh my God. It is. We've got Coke coming out our wazos. Put it back in there. What's it doing out of that? Keeps falling out of my wazoo! So Christine wasn't happy with her marriage, so she began an affair with Martin Birch, Fleetwood Mac's married sound engineer in 1973.

John McPhee was drinking heavily by now, and she was seeing quite. Quote, more Hyde than Jekyll. Oh. Hyde's the bad one, right? Yes, Mr. Hyde is... I thought it was his butt. Jekyll's his dick.

Jekyll and Hyde. I like that. That's fun. Yeah. So he was getting his ass out more than his dick. Yeah. All right, let's make love. All right, here's Mr. Hyde.

All right, John. I don't know what you're into. This is not what I signed up for. Mr. Hyde. What she doesn't know is that he lost his penis in a poker game He hasn't had the balls literally to tell it So now he's like How about we try something new?

This is all I've got Christine This is all I've got like Love me for me Get in there Christine who was having an affair Was pretty open about it all And she even considered leaving the band To make a solo album with sound engineer

And Love the Birch But then he went back to his wife and she went back to John. That's romantic. Yeah. Going back to someone is so romantic. My lover left, so. I'm back, I guess.

Show me your butt. On their last tour to promote the self-tiled album, I was talking about earlier, Christine decided to break out with John for good. So they started divorcing in the middle of the band's tour. I started divorcing. After eight years of marriage. Three good years, though.

Three good years. Five. Not all in a row either. So one on, one off. one on, one off, and then two bad ones. Okay. As soon as we have two bad years, we call it quits. Yeah, I think that's fair.

She said, look, I know it was bad timing to divorce you in the middle of the tour, but I can't stand this anymore. John did not take it well and started taking more substances and displayed increasingly erratic behavior. According to one biography, he would pace up and down the hotel corridor at night, yelling Christine's name while she hid in her room and cried. What would he yell? Christine!

You can see why he didn't sing. You can see why I do. It's so beautiful. The couple stopped talking to each other socially and discussed only musical matters. That's good. Keep it business. So offstage, no chat.

Yeah. Right. The only things they would say to each other is stuff like, sorry, what key is this song in? See? Okay. Business, business, business. Business.

That's all I did. Love that. Then there was Stevie Nix and Lindsay Buckingham. The other couple. This is a quote from Stevie Nix. Lindsay and I were in total chaos a year before we met Fleetwood Mac. I had already moved out of our apartment a couple of times and then had to move in because I couldn't afford it.

Our relationship was already in dire straits. Oh. See, these bands really do. They're all hanging out. They're all hanging out. But if we'd broken up within the first six months of Fleetwood Mac, there would have been no record and we would have been in big trouble. So when we joined the band, we took the decision to hang in there.

So they're staying in a relationship for the band. And also, that means Buckingham, Cam cut a deal to bring in his partner who was sort of he wasn't even getting on very well. Yeah, so they're completely on again, off again and apparently constantly fighting. And finally Mick Fleetwood, who was a little bit out of a band relationship. But don't worry, he gets his own dose of tour mall because he was now divorcing his wife, Boyd. Remember, she'd had an affair with the band's earlier guitarist Bob Weston. So it's very, very messy, and they had to go straight from touring into a recording studio to record their next album.

seems like they should go straight from touring into therapy. It's so dust, doesn't it? Oh, dearie. So the band started recording their next album in February, 1976, with the hope of releasing it in September and then going on another big tour. Stop touring! It was decided that they'd record it away from their homes, and they'd go to the record plan, a recording studio in Sorceletto, California.

Sorcelito. Sorcelito. That is fun to say. Matt, have a go. Sorceloito. Oh, he does it so well. It's over the Golden Gate Bridge. Do you have any idea how old the members are at this stage?

Because in my head, because, you know, they were old when I was a baby, basically, or they seemingly were. So in my head now they're still like, you know, they're my parents' age or something. Right. No, they are all in their late 20s. Right. So it kind of, yeah, going through a lot of stuff. You're in your 20s. You're also millionaires.

Are you talking to me or about them? Well, hear me at, you're million. I'm doing. Uh-huh. Okay. Any used to wondering? Yeah. I'm seeing a lot of similarities.

Okay. Yeah, having affairs with each other's partners. Uh-huh. Yes, I'm right. Okay. I've made that with the broom. You've got multiple big albums. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Photo albums on my bookcase. Oh, I've got music album. Where else do you really store your photos? And you're about to go on another worldwide tour after recording an album in September? Can you just let me know if you're talking. You're talking about me or the band? Do you mean the Worldwide Tour does that count Koso-Mew International Podcast Festival?

Yeah, I was talking about you, Jess. Oh, thank you. I was just double-checking. Matt, can you just keep it on track here? Okay, sorry. But it does seem like there's a lot of correlations, because I think at the time, the band were doing similar things. Oh, okay.

Well, there you go. Sorry, I wasn't listening for the last half an hour. You're on track the whole time. So they're at the record plan. Christine McVee and Nix, who had grown quite close on their recent tour, decided to live in two neighboring apartments near the city's harbor, or the three men in the band stayed at the studio's lodge in the hills nearby. I don't think it was their decision.

I think the men said, you go, you go do your thing over there. I think that's what it was. No, I think I might have been like, yeah, I don't want to hang out with you guys anymore. It might have been like, oh, sorry guys, two-bedroom apartment. Oh, no, we really wanted you to come here too. But there's only one other place available and it's on the other side of ten. So we're going to go and do that. Bye.

Sorry. Audio engineers Richard Dashett and Ken Kelle were hired to record and produce. Ken Kelle. The album with the band. Richard Dashet or Dashut. Let's call it Dashay. Dashay away. We got Dashay and Calais.

Oh, hello. Okay, that's it. We're doing that. Richard Dashay had previously worked. We're not doing Dashay Away. Well, you can go fuck yourself. Well, we've got to do Richard Dashay, Ken Calais. away. Thank you. That's good.

Ken Kallay away. Callaway. Kala way. Kaylaway. I don't know what's happened. We've really changed everyone's name. So we got Richard Dashay, Ken Kelle. Richard had previously worked on the Buckingham Knicks record I talked about earlier. And Ken Kellea, fun fact, is the father of Grammy award winner Colby Kelle. Oh, I've never heard of them. It starts in my toes. It starts in my toes. You know how I know that? I looked her up. Yeah, I've heard

I do have I was like, I remember that song now I've looked it up It was probably off an ad for a supermarket or something I reckon

Oh they pay well though Before the recording Mick gave each of the engineers Richard and Ken an old Chinese Ching coin And said Good luck

Wait what He just gave them They're into They're into sort of holistic and hippie things as well Like Chinese coins Yeah they like What a hippie

Hippie No they're like Here, have a dollar. Oh, here we go. Hippie dippy. No, they're just like, they're like new worldy type things. They surround themselves with that kind of stuff. Like China.

Like China, new world. Oh, fuck up, you know what I mean. Anyway, he gave him the coin. He was being a wanker, in other words. And they gave him the coin for good luck, which didn't work at first because the rumor session did not start well. It took the engineers Calais and Dashay 8. days just to find a bass sound that they liked. And in the meantime, they nearly got fired.

They complained that the windowless studio B that they were recording in sounded dead. They tried experimenting with different mic placements and amplifiers, trying to make a bigger sound, but they couldn't capture the massive live sound that the band were hoping for. To me, it sounds like they didn't know what they were doing, because this is what this is them reflecting on it years later. Quote, everything sounded like a miniature person who was playing these miniature instruments, and we were just pulling our hair out. Richard and I tried to. everything to make the sound bigger, but nothing would work. Do you think I just need to turn up the volume?

Well, keep listening. Finally, I got pissed off. I said, God damn it, what the hell is going on here? I literally just started turning knobs. Within about five minutes of doing this on a track, we were trying to cut. It was sounding great. So, yes, they literally just said to turn it up. Great.

It sounds like mini people playing tiny little quiet instruments. I can barely hear them. Like I can't get, grab that fucking Chinese coin. That's great. Well, the coin worked. How did they get this gig? They're already a huge band. And these people have already recorded albums before.

Yeah, but albums didn't do well. That's right. You know why? Because on the radio, people are like, sorry, is that a guitar? I think the radio's cut out. Is that a tiny, tiny man? Someone's whispering. Softly.

It's catchy, got a cool beat. And Mick Fleet would heard that and went, I want that miniature man. in my band. The band jammed live in the studio, and Mick Fleetwood often played his drum kit outside the studio's partition screen, so they're all like looking at each other,

but he's on the outside. So he could make eye contact with Engage the Engineers' reactions to the music's groove because he wanted them to like it. At first, they thought that they were just being hired to just basically hit record and that the band would produce it themselves. But then they started asking them the questions like,

which take did you like? And they were like, oh, I actually have to concentrate. Oh, that sucks. That's not what I signed up. floor. Yeah, right. So then they ended up being quite a producery and having big roles in the actual sound of the album.

But Lindsay Buckingham became the real creative force behind the recording and had a real vision for having an even popier album than the previous one. During the formative stages of compositions, Buckingham and Christine McVey played guitar and piano together to create the album's basic structures. Christine was the only formally trained musician of the group, but her in Buckingham really complimented each other well with their songs. Oh, dear. Okay.

And they're genitals? Well. Wait, is one of these the one without a dick now? No, that's John McVevee. Oh, John McVevee, sorry. And Christine hasn't seen a dick for a while. Except for that sound engineer. Yeah.

True. But it's always room for more dicks. Yeah. Whenever someone says, John McVeek, we play this one in D, he would run out of the room. Crying, yeah. And they'd all be like, Why do you keep asking him? Stop.

Put it in A. That's what he wants. Put in A for an Ainas. I got one of those. Also the three vocalists, Nick's Buckingham and McViol had voices that blended perfectly to create amazing harmonies. And this became a real secret weapon for the group. I mean, it's not a secret.

You just said it. So obviously other people knew to write it down for you to then read it. No, secret weapon before it was released. Oh. Oh, okay. Mick Fleetwood had removed all the clocks from the studio, and it didn't have any window, so nobody could tell what time of day it was when they were recording.

And that's when someone said, we're going to need a bigger clock. Why didn't they just check their phones? I think it would sound a little something. I like, if Jaws was about time. Yeah. They're like, these tiny people have all these tiny clocks. Drugs and alcohol were flying.

lying left, right and centre with the UK members, Mick Fleetwood, John and Christine, apparently preferring alcohol, and the US contingent Buckingham and Nix preferring marijuana. Buckingham kept a big tape box full of pot at the studio, and he was apparently always seen rolling a joint. They sound like the original odd couple. You like marijuana. I like Coke. Was it Coke? No, alcohol.

Alcohol. God damn it. Rum and Coke. Speaking of cocaine. Then there was the cocaine. Mountains of the stuff were consumed during the writing and recording. Cocaine wasn't seen as a party drug to them, but a necessity. Do you reckon they charge that as a business expense?

Yeah. Like, do you claim that on your taxes? Yeah. Well, I don't think you claim it on tax, but the record company is throwing money at them because their last album sold five million copies unexpectedly. Right. So they're like, whatever you want. Whatever you want.

Bags and bags of coke. Bags and bag. They would work 15 hours a day and then try and start at the same time the next day, but every day the time blew out because they worked so late. And they didn't have a clock. They didn't have a clock. And this kept happening until eventually one day, they started their day at 10 p.m.

Oh, because they'd slept all day. Soon they were working until 4 a.m. every night until they decided to take the next day off. But after they did this once, they felt like they'd lost too much time. And from that point on, it was decided that they would have no more days off. That's a bad idea.

I was thinking I was going to have the opposite effect where they go, hey, that was pretty good. More days off. The beach was really fun. So to pick themselves up, they started taking cocaine. They saw no alternative. They were taking it. They saw no alternative.

It's like a good night's sleep. What? What? Sorry, I don't understand. Did you say Coke? This is another American English thing? We don't have that. Have you guys eaten any actual food today?

Sorry. Are you racking up some Coke for me? I'm sorry, what are we doing here? Chris Stone, the owner of the record plant studio, recall the situation 20 years later. He said, quote, the band would come in at seven at night, have a big feast,

party till one or two in the morning, and then when they were so whacked out that they couldn't do anything, then they'd start recording. Okay. That sounds like a bad time. But all of this led to one of the biggest albums of all time. Sure, but I'm imagining the opposite.

It's one or two movie tropes, right? There's either that they're completely whacked and then they pick up instruments and they're really good, which it sounds like it is. Or... Start playing the Friends theme song. Oh no, we've recorded the Friends theme song again. Or they pick up the instruments and in their heads,

they're very good, but what actually comes out is, ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Yeah, they're listening back. Yeah. And if you were the Beatles, you'd sample that and put it in on your side. Play it backwards. Yeah, that's why they're great. That's why they're great.

Sounds great. Yoko, plonka, plinker. Plinker. Screamed in the little recording machine there. Mick Fleetwood, the drummer famously once estimated that if he laid out all of the cocaine he'd ever snorted into a single line, it would stretch for seven miles. What a weird brag. I reckon, oh, I've done seven miles of Coke. They spent millions of dollars on the stuff.

It's over their lives. It's ridiculous. He later wrote, quote, The tales of excess are true, but we'd all be dead already if we weren't made of stronger stuff, which is kind of true because several of the earlier members, I mentioned, being part of the group, the people that had the breakdowns.

A lot of those people are now dead and died in their 50s and 60s, but these five core members are all still alive. Right. So I don't know if they actually are, got quite strong constitutions to survive, this kind of stuff. But, yeah. Nah, a cup of tea. I'm going to bed.

Oh, man, I love tea. I love bed. What's your tea choice? I love a peppermint. Oh, peppermint. I don't mind a peppermint. Yeah, I love a peppermint. I'm an El Grey man.

I'm a herbal girl. I've got a passion fruit and hibiscus tea in my cupboard. Holy shit, it's good. I can't get my head around that. Yeah, it's amazing. Terble girl, you're American? Matt's British? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Ah, yeah. No, Matt. You're supposed to sound British. Aye. I went to, you know, I was a, you know, I said, oh, yeah, I'll have a cup of tea.

There we go. I realize, you know, that bad Paul McCartney thing I had to occasionally. Very good, Paul McGahn. I realized recently I'm impersonating. I heard Dana Carvey do it on a podcast recently. I'm like, oh, I think I'm impersonating Dana Carvey impersonating Paul McCartney. But you heard only recently. Yeah, I know.

I'm wondering if I ever heard it before. Not that I remember. It's very funny. He, um, you know. The band were taking so much Coke during this period that they considered thanking their Coke dealer on the album's credits. Wow. But unfortunately, he died, quote,

unfortunately he got snuffed, executed before the thing came out, Fleetwood wrote in his first memoir. He got killed in a gangland killing. Imagine having multiple memoirs. Yeah, that's his first one. Wow, I'm going to write one at 80. Can't believe that. One and done.

Get it all. That's what you took away from that story. Wow, he's got multiple memoirs. Be more efficient. Mick, come on, mate. You're a drummer in some band. They kept their cocaine in a velvet bag underneath the mixing desk and would take a hit anytime they felt tired.

Recording engineer, Mr. Calais, pranked them one day when he pretended to drop the bag and spilled fake cocaine all over the floor and apparently the band wanted to kill him. Oh, but it sounds like they have so much of it. What a confusing world they're living in. But you have to go and get more. Right.

I can't What a prank Do they I think I saw that on punked Yeah They did that on punked Yeah yeah When they expose

A celebrity Painful cocaine addiction Oh Check this out I've got your Coke Malkibison Oh no I've spilted

everywhere Oh Allegedly Dave I don't know If that's Common knowledge Mel Gibson

That's never That's never happened Not our mouth He's never had Any troubles Don't tell me Not Mel. No.

Not Mel. He's been so good for so many years. What's your favorite Mel Gibson role? The Beaver. That's where he had a... He communicated with the Beaver puppet? Yes. Was that any good?

Yeah. Yeah. For a Mel Gibson film. Oh. My favorite was Gallipoli. Oh, wow. They made us watch that at high school. Followed closely by what women want.

Another good movie. He really... turned Nike campaigns on their heads. Just do it. That was him. That was him. That was Mel Gibson. That film is actually a documentary.

A lot of people think it's a fiction. I didn't. No, I know. I'm just saying some idiots. People stupid than I. Dave, too, go on. So amongst the music and the drugs, the relationship troubles continued.

Christine McVee would sneak a new boyfriend into the studio just as John was walking out another door. Christine had now started dating Fleetwood Mac's lighting director Curry Grant. Curry. She's so close to Kerry Grant. Yeah. I think he's named was Kerry Grant, but now he's like, fuck, I've got to change it to curry. Did anyone else get hungry then though?

Yeah. Oh man. Unpeckish. For some curry Grant? No, chips. Oh, always want chippies. Chips with a garlic known on the side. Oh, now you're talking.

Her ex-husband, John McVee, did not take the breakout well, started hooking out with band groupies back at what Mick Fleet would describe as, a bordello with blacked out rooms, thick shag carpets, deprivation tanks, and a very liberal sprinkling of assorted drugs. There you go. Sounds awful. That's where this thing. Yuck.

Doesn't sound fun, is it? No, give me a balcony, cup of tea. Yeah. A fucking blanket. And 9pm, I'm going to bed. Have you stayed at a place that wouldn't give you a blanket? You sound furious about that. Yeah, I'm mad.

I want to blanket. Give me a fucking blanket. Give me a blanket. Don't be unreasonable. I think all these places would have those things too. Okay. It's just that I choose to do Coke or a cup of tea. Why not both?

There it is. See, it's about balance. These guys have no balance. Yeah. They don't like to. Have your yin, then have your yank. Yes. Honestly.

God, what we've learnt, you know, more modern times. Yeah. About the rock and roll lifestyle. In this instance, have your Coke and eat it too. Eat it being a healthy dinner. Yeah, maybe a digestive biscuit. Yeah. Lindsay Buckingham and Stevie Nix kept fighting about everything.

One of the producers recalled the way they had to record one of the songs. I remember them singing background vocals to You Make Loving Fun, sitting on two stools in front of a pair of microphones, directly facing me on the other side of the controlled room glass. And if we had to stop the tape, for whatever reason. During the few seconds that it took to be rewound, they'd be shouting and screaming at another.

I'd be thinking, go tape, go tape, hurry, hurry, let's hit play. Because he didn't play and they'd go, la la, la. It'd stop them like, you fucking maggot. That's amazing. Such prose. Yeah, that does sound, there's something really kind of admirable about that. They are really dedicated to the music. About faking it.

Yeah. Just to be able to get through it. I imagine many of. others would fall apart in the circumstances. Then there was drama Mick Fleetwood. He wasn't banging anyone in the band, so all was fine, right? Oh, no, Mick. He's banging his drums.

That's what he calls his balls. Fleetwood Mac's reputation for burning each other was well known and was starting to be constantly written about in the media. It was played up for laughs on their first Rolling Stone cover, which depicted the entire band in bed with one another. Legendary rock and roll photographer Annie Liebervitz took the photo. She said, I thought I'd be nice and polite, and I brought a bunch of cocaine for everyone. That is very polite.

She's British or American? That feels like real British hospitality. American, and there you go. You say like, bring a plate. Of coke. Just making a mirror. The two ex-couples in the band didn't want to lie next to each other. Christine lay with Lindsay Buckingham and Mick Fleetwood lay with Stevie Nix.

And on the other side of the bed, John McVee can be seen. lying alone holding a Playboy magazine. Bit of fun. Yeah, that's fun for John. They had to lie there for three hours. And in the time, Nick spent snuggling with Fleetwood, they had a deep impression on each other. Oh.

Fleetwood later wrote that the shoot caused him to realize that he and Nick's had, quote, definitely known each other in previous lives. Remember, I told you he's a wanker. Mick Flewit's a wanker. No, but he just said, he believes in stuff like this. But they were in bed for three hours. And finally getting some rest. Did you say made a deep impression?

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Yeah. Did that what they said? Were they not wearing pants? Eventually, they also began an affair. With or without pants? Without pants. Scandalised.

So everyone of the band has slept with at least one other member, some two members. Wow. The dream. I'd want to sleep with every member. and then I'd get to it and be like, oh, it's only me left. And then I'd just have to go and stand by a cliff. The credits for all. And that's the end of your memoir.

Oh, my one memoir, Mick. The final fapping chapter. Do I say fapping right there? I believe so. By that you mean looking off into the middle distance. Yeah, fapting off into the distance. Yes. Yes, I end my memoir, fapping into the distance, yes.

Sipping a cup of tea whilst having a cup of tea whilst having a little distance. a good fap? Thought to myself, yes, I've done it. Fat, fat, fap. As Matt said, credits roll. There was also tension between band members that weren't having sex. Bassist John McVee and guitarist Lindsay Buckingham fought a lot too, and McVee reportedly threw a glass of vodka at Buckingham's face on one occasion.

So they're sexually frustrated? Or do you mean that they're not having sex with someone else in the band? Or they're not having sex in general? No, sorry, they're just they're not having sex with each other. Right. But maybe they should. But still, so basically everyone's fighting at some stage. Yeah.

All the members thought about quitting at some point. As Stevie Nix later said, the music was so good it kept us from flipping out. It's been up yourself. God, this music is my favourite. You won't even give it to him knowing that it's such a big classic album. I'm a bit arrogant. Tall poppy. It's an Australian way.

That's right. Ugh, you believe in yourself. Get out. Our national floral emblem is the tall poppy. It's our national sport. Cutting them down. Don't stick your neck up or your head. Maybe.

Dust your neck. Your neck's fine. Sticky neck up. Try. Trying to get just my neck up. And it wasn't just relationship dramas that the band had to weigh through. The recording itself had problems. One thing that hadn't counted on was because they were recording to tape back in those days.

every time they played it back, it slowly began to wear out. This wasn't usually such a big problem because bands didn't spend this much time in a recording studio. Back in the day, you'd smash it out live. You know, the first Beatles album, they recorded it in a day. But they'd played the tapes back so much that the tapes and recordings began to lose all definition. They noticed when they played the drums back and they couldn't tell the difference between the kick drum and the snare. It just sounded like, boom, boom, boom. They're like, okay.

So they had to go back. Do they need to turn the volume up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't have to do itle some knobs again, mate. Tuttle some knobs. Define that shit. They had to go back to the original recordings and a specialist was hired to match the original tracks

using a VSO, a very speed oscillator to get them all in time together. So he had to listen to different tracks and slow them down or speed them up. So everything, one at a time. And it took hours. Six hours. Actually, I was watching a documentary. They were talking about how epic this was, and I'm pretty sure they said it took him 14 hours.

Like, it wasn't even that long. He comes in, he goes, yep, okay, no worries. They'll have it on your desk tomorrow. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Well, it took us eight days to be able to find the volume button, so that's pretty impressive. That sounds really good.

You're impressed, mate. But this and other delays, because it took so long to write and record the album, they meant a sell-out autumn tour of the US had to be cancelled to allow the completion of the album. whose schedule release date of September 1976 was pushed back. Now, all of a sudden, this album's so expensive. Yeah, it's costing.

Costing heaps. Having to cancel tours because of it. Yeah, so that's costing money. The record label's like, guy, we're spending millions of dollars on this. Costing millions alone. You are spending all of the profits on Coke. So if it flopped after all this, it would have been a disaster. It must have been feeling some pressure.

Yeah, totally. But they also sound like they fully believed it. Yeah. At least looking back, I imagine there must have been some doubt at the time. Yeah, it's so easy looking back to be like, yeah, we knew itself 40 million copies. Anyway, a strange side effect of living so intensely, but still making this music together, was that they were talking to each other through their own songs and lyrics. Mick later said the only drawback was that John couldn't talk back because he doesn't sing.

So the other three songwriters that are all singing about each other. But John just has to go, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, you hear that? Is that your impression of the bass? Yeah. Very good. Thank you so much. I played for many years.

He did not touch the D string, though. It did not. Because he didn't have one. It's all on the A. So what I'm going to do now is just go through the album song by song. Will you sing them for us? Yeah. Thank you.

To avoid copyright, I will do a bad job. But usually. But you'll have to put in the effort to do a bad job. Yeah, of course. Yeah, because you're an angel. Sing them all to the tune of one of the classic. Brown Hornet. Know what your band called?

Weed Hornet. Weed Hornet songs. I mean, you've got Never New, criminal decisions. Yep. You had three songs? My band had like two end covers. We recorded, I can play to.

We recorded an EP at a recording studio. Yes. You will play that to us, yes. I'm trying to think, Never New. That's another one. You said that already. Oh, has that one? That was the first one.

Anyway, we're not here to talk about Weed Hornet, but... Anyway, one day, I will do the biopic. I will do the massive, massive report, the six-hour epic. Yeah. Because it will take me that long to remember the fourth song on that album, that record. Anyway, so Rumors had 11 songs over two sides on records as they were back in that day, and it goes for just over 40 minutes in total. The opening track of the album is called Secondhand News.

My favorite part of secondhand news is that I like to imagine that they were like, all right, we just need a chorus for this. Somebody go, step away, write the chorus, bring it back. I'm like, I wrote it. Don't worry. I got it. And they get into the recording studio. And it's just bow, bow, bow, bow, bow, bow.

So there is literally, that is someone actually singing that as well as a guitar. That's how they made that sound. They were like, this isn't chunky. enough. So they got Lindsay Buckingham, the guitarist, to play it and also go, bough, bough, bough. Very good. It's amazing.

It's amazing. Bows, bough, bough, bough, bough. Bough, bough. Bough, bough. And he was like, this sounds great. I'm going to do it on every song. Lindsay Bucingham wrote and performed the vocals on this opening track, and the song consists of a kind of Scottish, Irish folk influences.

They also used a chair as an instrument on the song to create a scratching. rhythm. They went on a wooden chair. So they're doing, they're breaking all the rules. They're bowing, bowing. They're scratching chairs. They're doing it. They're bount bowing.

You know what I mean. Yeah, they are with each other. And other people. And chairs. Oh, John McVee put his A on that chair. He doesn't have a D to put there. But if he did, he would. He'd put his D on that chair.

The next track on the album is Stevie Nix Pend. And dreams. My opinion, Fleetwood Mac's best song. And the public agreed. It became the only number one song for the band in the US and sold over a million copies there. And it goes, Dave. Higher and higher, straight up will fly.

Bam, bam, bam, down, higher and higher, leave it all behind. Who is that? Van Halen, Sammy Hagger, Van Halen. Oh, yeah, of course. But obviously the most iconic song called Dreams. Yeah, obviously. Stevie wrote the song on her own in an unused room down the hall from the rest of the studio.

The room had been built for Funk Legend Slice Stone and included a sunken bed and Stevie wrote the song in the bed on an electric piano and apparently it came to her in 10 minutes. She recorded the song on a cassette and instantly knew that she'd written something good. She recorded in 2009. It was a rough take, just me singing solo and playing piano. Even though he was mad with me at the time, Lindsay played it and he looked up at me and smiled. What was going on between us was sad. We were couples who couldn't make it through, but as musicians, we still respected each

other. That's one of those amazing albums. You know, like so many classic albums would be a partnership or one key songwriter. But this is just like through a crazy series of events that led to these five being together. And then all of them have written bangers, like all-time great songs. It's amazing. people with their personalities.

But somehow when he put us in a room together, we made good songs. Wow. The song at Dreams is in part about Lindsay. The opening line is, now here you go again. You say you want your freedom. Well, who am I to keep you down? So she's singing about him there. Track three is an acoustic number sung by Lindsay Buckingham called Never Going Back Again.

It's all about Lindsay meeting a new woman. To achieve a brighter sounding guitar tone on the acoustic guitars, producer Calais had studio text changed the strings. strings on Buckingham's guitar every 20 minutes. Whoa. The roadies were not happy about this. They were even more pissed off when they realized that they'd recorded all the guitar parts in the wrong key and they had to do it all again the next day.

Oh shit. But I love that song. I think it's probably my second favorite song. I love it. After Dreams. The next track was another hit written by Christine McVee. Don't Stop thinking about tomorrow. Far out.

He's just banger after banger. Yeah. It reflects her feelings after her separation from Fleetwood Max bass guitarist John McVee after eight years of marriage. She later recalled, Don't Stop was just a feeling. It just seemed to be a pleasant revelation that yesterday's gone. Imagine that. He's playing bass while she's singing, I'm so excited that all that's behind me. Yeah.

New me! Well, in this right now, it's beside me. Yeah, that's right. The song became the theme music for United States presidential candidate, Bill Clinton, Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign, and he used the song lots of times over the years. Sort of became his theme song. Don't something about tomorrow with Bill. Track five, another hit.

Go your own way. You can go your own way. I have a video of you singing that song. Where were we? At the old studios. Really? We were downstairs in an office. You hadn't had a lot of sleep, and you were sitting on a table singing that song,

not realizing I was filming you. Oh, if it's any good, you should release it. Not good. And cash him. So, yes, I'll release it. You should have read about it in Just's first memoir. How many you haven't? Three?

Yeah, I like a trip ditch. I'm like Adele. I believe in trilogies. That's what she said. Yeah, well, I just heard her. Yeah. I just played a clip of Adele. I believe in trilogies.

That one must have been one of the biggest ones, but these are all like huge. Yeah, these are huge. I don't know. The track one is probably not a huge, huge song. No. It's a pretty well-known album show. Oh, sorry, second-hand news. Yeah, yeah. So far, the singles have been dreams.

Don't Stop and Now Go Your Own Way, which was releases the album's first single and helped to build hype for the album. Right. Because it was a hit. Lindsay wrote the song about letting Stevie go her own way and both of them moving on even though they're finding it hard. The opening line is,

Loving you isn't the right thing to do. Loving you. Oh, man. It's good. Another one of the lines is packing up, Shacking up is all you want to do. A line he refused to take out despite her objections. This is what she said to Rolling Stone years later.

I very much resented him telling the world that packing up, shacking up with different men was all I wanted to do. He knew it wasn't true. It was just an angry thing that he'd said. Every time those words would come on stage, I wanted to go over and kill him. He knew it. So he really pushed my buttons through that. It was like, I'll make you suffer for leaving me. And I did.

Oh, that's me. No, no, no. Like, that's, I would have read that lyric as meaning on and, on again, off again, packing up, wanting to leave and then shacking up again. Yeah, no, it was with other people if he's saying. Yeah, that's, oh, that sounds awful. I don't think you'd get away with that kind of behaviour anymore. Is that, like, is he calling her a slut? Is that sort of like slut before slut was a thing?

I don't know, well, I mean, he's not, he's not, is he saying it's good or bad? He's just saying that she's focusing on it. Look, I'm not in a great position. As a, you know, a celibate man, I don't, I shouldn't really comment on such things. Well, hang on, oh no. Couldn't let it get any if you wanted to. That is not true. That's true and you bloody know it.

Celebrate this afternoon anyway. Celebrate for the last 40 minutes. We've been recording for over an hour. Yeah. I mean fapin below the dust. Oh, there's a few little regrets creeping in there. Is it? All right.

Let's all make a deal. Salam it starting now. Okay. I'm so sorry. I just couldn't do it. I'm out. That's our own The Bet. Yeah.

Great episode. I'm out. Kramer laying down the cash on the coffee table or the table or the table, whatever. That is so funny. Classic Kramer. sort of laying it down from so anyway just the final bit on go your own way which was written by lindsay lindsay was driving one day when back home in l a l a day when you heard the song played on the radio for the first time by a dj called b mitchell reed who was quite influential

and had a lot to do with going over to the uk and bringing the beetles back to the u.s on the radio and stuff b mitchell introduced it as the latest fleetwood mack song lindsay was loving it grooving along, feeling accomplished to hear the first single on the radio. Then it came back to read and he said, yeah, I don't know about that one. Oh. So Lindsay was taking her back. So Lindsay drove to the studio and murdered him. He called the studio during the next song and they put him on air and he's like, hey, it's

Lindsay Buckingham. I just heard you play my song. And he's like, oh, hi, Lindsay. And he's like, why didn't you like my song? And Reed said, I just couldn't find the beat. Oh. I said that. Luckily, Reed was wrong.

it became the band's first top 10 hit single in the USA. That's pretty embarrassing. And Reid was murdered. Yeah. By an unknown person. An unknown curly-haired guitarist. Doesn't seem like a weird play to call up and just so, like, so publicly show how insecure you are about your music. But obviously didn't affect.

But people can, I mean, it's very subjective. Yeah. People can. You're allowed to be like, no, I don't dig it. No one love, no one in the world, no song in the world is loved by everyone. No. Have you heard Weed Hornet on it? Oh, sorry.

Have you heard you're the voice? When you say Weed Hornet Fars, it sounds like Weed On It. Is that fun? Was that part of the fun? Yeah, that's part of the fun. It's a band name that's funny the first time you hear it, but less funny each time. Yeah, weed on it.

Weed on it. Weed on it. Okay. So could I know that one of my best friends in the world, Tom Mitchell, singer of Weed Hornet, listens to this podcast. So shout out to you, Tom. shout out to you. Tom,

Weed Hornet Reunion? Can we make it happen? Tom, let's make it happen. Let's get t-shirts. Could we do a live show sometime where Weed Hornet play the after party? That would be so, so good. Who else was in Weed Hornet? Rowan.

On drums? Sure. Are you still in contact with Rowan? Yes, I'm at a school reunion a few months ago. Because if he's not in, let's get on to Mick Foiewood. Mick. Bobby. You know, you've been looking for a band.

that will take you to the next level. Yeah. I think we got it. You can write a third memoir about this chapter in your life. Don't stop thinking about tomorrow, Mick. Yesterday's gone and yesterday is Fleetwood Mac. Tomorrow is Weid Hornet.

Yeah. We're the future, baby. Well, let me know if you want to see some Weid Hornet reunion. Is that it? Just the three of you? Oh, and Jamie on guitar. Oh, cop that Jamie?

No, he was the best. Okay. Where's Jamie now? I haven't seen, he moved schools. I haven't seen. He evaporated. Yeah, but he was, oh my God, he was such a great. Do you reckon he'd be up for a reunion?

Oh, of course. If I said, I'll buy a drink. Not me personally. I mean, like, the do-go-one business. The royal. The royal eye. Yes. Yeah, the queen will buy him a drink.

Is that well? Are you saying? Yeah, yeah. I reckon we can. I reckon she could. All she has to do is wink her royal eye and a drink will be brought. John McVey wished he could wink his royal eye. But he didn't have one.

Far from his Royale, A. His blood eye. You should have been playing poker then. That's on him. That is on him. Poor John. Anyway, the final track on the first side of the album was Christine McVie's piano

ballad songbird and was released as the B-side to Dreams. For you. It's basically just Christine sounding beautiful like that. There'll be no crying. It's her on her piano with a little bit of guitar added labor. Unlike the rest of the album, it wasn't recorded at the studio, but rather live at the Zellaback Ball Auditorium in California. Is that, that's the, you know, Eva Cassidy,

is that her, she covered that, I guess. I didn't even realize it was a Fleetwood Mac song. Maybe I've never heard rumors. I probably haven't. Yes, it has been covered quite a bit. Yeah, right. Great song. Yeah, so they're recorded in an empty auditorium.

To set the mood, the producer Calais put a dozen roses on the piano and hooked up a giant spotlight. It was recorded on the stage in a completely empty room and the sound was captured with 15 separate microphones. Whoa. It had to be done in one take so Christine recorded it over and over again all night until 7 a.m. the next morning. I love that. Had to be recorded in one take, so they had to do it over and over again. Wow. We needed to do the Jiminy Dilacus scene again.

15 microphones. Yeah, they were pretty excessive with it. It feels like a bit much. We've only got three here. Well, I mean, we've got five. No, no, but we're only using three. Okay, sure. Because there's only three of us.

Yeah, but if we had a piano, we'd have a few more mics. Would we? Yeah. I don't I reckon. During their tour, ex-husband John McVee would watch her play it from the side of stage and he'd weep every night. Later on, when they toured, she'd asked, do I have to keep playing that every night? And they said, of course, it's one of your best songs.

She said, but I'm sick of crying. So she was also crying whilst playing. Oh. But also stop showing emotion, your big douchebags. Grow up. Yuck, get over it. That is why I brought this story up. So the emotion.

You could bring up. Oh, they're both crying. Oh, they're so sad. Oh, we're crying. Get over it. Nerds. I think it's beautiful. Nah.

It's weak. I cried once. What? You leave this studio right now, young man. Do the Saints lose a big game? No. Have you ever cried over football? I don't think so, but I've definitely been upset about it.

You've cried. I don't think I've ever cried about football. Has it ruined your day? It's ruined my weekends quite a bit. There's still like if I accident, like, oh, in Perth, right, I walk past this pub and it was called the Brass Monkey. I'm like, oh, I'm going to go and have a beer. I look up to the screen, there's a replay of a Saints game. I'm like, this is my pub.

Then I realize it's the Saints 2009 Grand Final where we lost in the last. minutes of the game. Did a big U-turn. Yeah. Put my finger out. Yeah. I thought that story was going to go, you found what makes you cry. You saw a pub called The Brass Monkey and you thought two of my favorite things,

drinking in primates. I can get any better than this. Never say anything more beautiful. Oh God. Stop me. I actually, I was, yeah. I think I'm most likely to cry these days on an aeroplane watching a movie. Yeah.

Apparently there's someone about aeroplane. I always feel a bit emotional. emotional. I always feel, yeah, heightened emotions. You guys disgust me. I sat in between you on long flights, not knowing that I was sitting in between absolute wuss bags. Oh, don't worry. I don't watch anything that will make me cry anymore. I just watch action films. Yeah. It doesn't matter what it is. The Incredibles 2 you were watching.

We watched, I watched it three times because he kept falling asleep. And then you were hugging a pillow and you looked. Yeah, it was so cute. So cute. With the Incredibles 2 just playing on the screen. It's good fun. Hey Dave, I've got a wrap to protect. Oh, sorry, you were watching Fight Club or something. And you were hugging a knife. Rocking back and forth. We went, God, he's cute.

Little cut him. I'm going to cut him. What's on the B side? Well, side two of the album opens with The Chain. The only song from the album credited to all five members. Because it was made up of several previously rejected songs being combined. It has a really great... John McVee bass line.

How's that go? Boom. Bo ba bum, bop boom. Nice. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Next up is another

Christine McVee song called You Make Loving Fun, which you wrote about her then-boyfriend Curry Grant has a bit of a shot at her ex-husband John. Oh, because loving used to be so difficult. It became the album's fourth top-10 hit.

It was a chore, but now it's fun and something's changed. I don't know if I recognise. It's a real lame name for a song. Yeah. You'd know it if you heard it. Go on. I just started and then realized I've forgotten most of it.

Right. How does the chorus go? I think it's you make loving fun. You make loving fun. You want a fun the night away. I don't know what that is. You make me feel like dancing. That's what it is.

Leo Sayah. Now an Australian, I believe. We've broken Dave brain. Oh, I just, so I was just looking ahead because the next one, I don't have anything fun to write. Track 9 is called I Don't Want to Know, written by Stevie Nix. I love that song. Oh, great, because I was going to say, I don't want to know the reason why I love is. That's all I've written about that one.

Okay. Yeah, I don't think I know that one. It's fun. All right. The second last track is O Daddy. Oh, I hate O Daddy. Really? I hate it.

I skip it every. Every time. The term, just the word daddy is. Oh, daddy. No, I just don't like the song, but also daddy's gross. I do like, I quite like the chorus of it. Christine wrote this song about Mick Fleetwood, who was the only parent at the time. Right.

Yeah, okay. And he's listed it as the song as one of his favorite Fleetwood Mac songs of all time. Of course, because it was written about him. It was about him. Near the end of the song, McVee play some random notes on the keyboard. These were not originally intended to be part of the song, and McVey only played them to get the attention of the recording studios control room. but the band liked them so much that they did not remove them from the song.

So it was her going, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, that sounds good. Yeah. Oi, oi, hey, oi, oi, oi, oh. You done it again? She's a genius. The final track, Gold Dust Woman was written by Stevie Nix, also performed by her. She wrote the song about drugs, having become increasingly reliant on them to keep her going. She later said, Gold Dust Woman was about how we all love the ritual of it.

The little bottle, the diamond-studded spoons, the fabulous velvet bags. Yeah, this is, it seems very, it's like everyone's experience with drugs. That's why it was so big, everyone related. Diamond-encrusted spoons. Velvet bag. For me, it fitted right into the incense and candles and all that stuff. And I really imagined it could overtake everything, never thinking in a million years that it would overtake me. Really?

Really? You didn't, that never crossed your mind? She didn't count herself in everything. Oh, wow. sad. Again, therapy. I'm above everything, Matt. Oh, okay. Come on. Also therapy. That's the attitude, too. So there's the tracks. The album cover itself is quite famous and often parodied. The front cover of Rumors was taken by Herbert W. Worthington.

I think you just had a stutter? Herbert Wurthington. Yeah, I didn't like that. Nah. Let's just call him Herbert Worthington. Yeah. It features Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks with Stevie dressed in her Riannan stage persona. Right. She'd created for the song Rihanna, sorry, Rihanna on the previous album.

Another interesting note is the two balls that can be seen hanging between mixed legs. Certainly not McVees. Yeah, no, he wasn't invited to this shoe. So they're literally, if you haven't seen the album cover, they're sort of posing with each other, and Mick's got this, like, stylized ponytail going on. It looks like quite a cool shot, but if you look closely at it, he's got these two brown balls that are hanging from his belt, hanging between his legs. Right.

The balls are actually lavatory chains used to flush a toilet. Okay. Mika had a couple of drinks and he brought them out of the toilet. He broke them off the toilet and brought them into the photo shoot. And they just stayed in the final shot. Okay. I was very destructive. I ripped them off the toilet and had them hanging down between my legs, he later recalled.

He loved a good dick and ball prank. Oh, that's so mean for his fellow band member. Well, maybe this was a taunting McPhee because he went through a lengthy, period of placing a dildo on the top of his bass drum, nicknamed Harold, the sex toy became a sort of mascot during the early years of the band, until one day when they were playing at an American Southern Baptist College, and they were nearly arrested for the sexual display. It's had a dildo on the drum.

That's cool. I'd never notice those. I think, I'd just assume they were like they dangled off his jacket, because he kind looks like a pirate or something. He's wearing sort of pirate wear. Yeah, sort of like a waistcoat and stuff. Three Musketeers sort of outfit. I've done a side by side of that and Xavier Michael Eadie's character doing Dangleberries.

Oh yeah, David Price. Hi, I'm a David Price. Oh my goodness, I love David Price. David Price is amazing and he has a product that he's trying to sell called Dangleberries and they look just like that. Yeah. And I sent that to him and I think he liked it. We'll have to share that sketch.

It's very good stuff. I wonder if it was inspired by Fleetwood Mac. Yeah. I think that one features Alasette Trombo Virtual. I believe so. If he was here, he'd say, share it, should we share it? Yeah, I think that's doable.

Yeah. And then I'd say, oh, I didn't see you there. Al, hi. Hello. There we go. Thank you so much. I forgot my Alster catchphrase. Hello.

You forgot hello. Yeah. Okay. Hey, I've got so many characters. True. It sound nothing a lot. Stop me right there. Alster, coincidentally, he's on this week's primates or next week's.

He's on a real soon primates. Looking forward to that. Oh, yeah. Savi and Michaelides. Coincidentally on last week's book cheat. Oh. There you go. What a guy.

What a couple of guys. Hey, we should get him to get the David Price gang back together. Oh, my God. The old channel is happening. I genuinely, I went up to Xavier recently and said, let's do it. Let's make some more sketches. And the conversation continues. It fizzled, didn't it?

He said, yeah, Matt, that would be great. I've just got to pop out. for a bit and you're like, where are you going? Can I come? And he's like, oh, my phone's ringing. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, pretty confident that things are moving along in the right direction. How do we tell him?

We will share some of the sketches, but if you're near YouTube right now, type in David Praise and you will see a man presenting fucked up infomercials, and man, are they good? They're so great. All right, Fleetwood Mac, we're nearly there. They kicked off a massive international tour to promote rumors that began on February 4, 1977. As the tour went on, the band became increasingly concerned that fans and the media were more interested in the stories behind the music than the new music itself.

Because there were all these rumours going around about them, sleeping with each other, so that's all the media are talking about. Lindsay suggested that they call the album rumors because during the recording they were all keeping diaries and probably writing about each other. Stevie Nix kept taking more and more cocaine to keep up with the hectic schedule until she lost her voice. Nick's reportedly bought one million dollars worth of cocaine And it burned a hole in her nose the size of a dime Yuck how big's a dime About the size of a Chinese coin

Rumors spread Rumors that she This is from the Daily Mail So I don't know how true this is But rumours spread that she had to have the drug Blown up her dairy air by an assistant By an assistant No assistant is getting paid enough

I don't know. To blow coke up your ass. They're pretty rich at this time. Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, it feels like that's a one-person job anyway. Do you need an assistant for that? How are you going to blow it up your ass? Yeah, come on that.

A long straw. Try. Try. How you just get a length of arms? How healthy is your lungs? Just get it. What, he's talking about a bendy straw. Yeah.

Don't look at me like I'm an idiot, David. You're a fool. I'm not a fool. You've wasted all that money on your assistant. Matt and I are blowing our own drugs up her own asses. Yeah. And sometimes I'll be each other. Yeah, that really says.

So you're helping each other? Yeah. Yeah, but we're still two asses, two lots of drugs, two lots of lungs. I'm sure the assistant's getting some as well. Oh, okay. Now in her 70s, she no longer takes cocaine. Oh, congratulations. For a long time, it really dominated her life.

And it's an expensive habit, obviously, a million bucks. And that's back in 70s. In the 70s and the 80s. It's crazy. Rumors was finally released in February 1977 and was an instant success. It stayed at the top of the Billboard 200 for 31 non-consecutive weeks

while also reaching number one in the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. It won the Grammy Award for Album of the Year. Oh, wow. Because they often fuck that up. Like in hindsight, the Grammys, they won't give it to an album that stands a test of times. Yeah, they actually gave it to... Probably the best album of that year.

Yeah. Well done. All three major U.S. trade publications at the time, which were Billboard, Cash Box and Record World, named it their album of the year in 1977. By March, a little over a year later, after it had been released, the album had sold over 10 million copies worldwide, including eight in the US alone.

It is now sold over 40 million copies worldwide, and it's the fifth best-selling album of all time in the USA. The 11th best-selling album in the UK, and about the eighth best-selling album ever worldwide. Mick Fleetwood describes it as the most important album we ever made because it allowed us to continue recording for years to come. This lineup of the band stayed together for three more albums, Tusk, Mirage and Tango in the Night.

They still hate each other, though? They had a bit of shit to sort out, yeah, but they all sort of moved on and married other people. That's so great. I love it when people can figure it out. That's kind of nice, even though it's obviously awful. But it's nice that they were able to figure their stuff out. Yeah, I guess so.

These next three albums were pretty very, well, very successful in their own right, but nothing could ever match rumors. They're currently on a world tour right now with Christine McVee back after retiring from live touring in 1998. So she took 20 years off. But Lindsay Buckingham was kicked out of the band before the tour and is currently suing them. Who was kicked out just before this tour? Yeah, and he's been replaced.

by Neil Finn from Split-Ens and Crowded House and Mike Campbell, formerly of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. So it took two people to replace him. And Fleetwood Mac, to this day, have sold over 100 million million albums worldwide. 100 million million. Yeah.

Whoa. Actually, that should be records worldwide because that counts singles as well. But over 100, making them one of the best-selling acts of all time. Incredible. Yeah, but what an absolutely crazy story? So what?

They're in their 70s now? Yeah, they're in the 70s, and they're still touring and still selling out massive... It must be exhausting. So who remains in the band then? So everyone except for Lizzie Buckingham. Really? Stevie Nix.

Mick Fleetwood, John McVee and Christine McVee. Still kept her name even though she married someone else. And they've been divorced for so long. Over 40 years. She's married to someone else and she's still in a band with her ex-husband. She said that she now thinks of him like a brother. Oh, gross. Well, it was like an ex-an-an-s from so long ago.

It would feel like that. Okay, yeah, but just say best friend. Like, don't go, brother, you know? Like, we know what you used to do. Right. Don't do that with your siblings. That makes sense. Yucky.

So many rules with you just. I got a little rules. Don't cry. Don't incest. Ugh, what next? Just a fun side note to bring two topics together. Christine McVee from 1979 to 1982 was engaged to Dennis Wilson from the Beach Boys. He was the one that died, but also the one that died.

Sorry, the one that died young And the only surfer And also the one that hung around with Charles Manson That you talked about on the Charles Manson episode So she was engaged to him for three years That's a long engagement Yeah, lock it down Set a date, you crazy kids

But I mean, the fact that you're putting it off so long Maybe there's a sign Yeah We should do a relationship advice column Yeah That's a blog So we've got a blog! I think you should.

Send your questions. To locked bag. Oh, but that's it. That is the end of. What a great story. I knew there were relationship troubles and that was really, and it was a huge album, but that's all I knew. Yeah, all I knew was was that thunder only happens when it's raining.

Which is untrue. Oh. Yeah, thunder can happen without rain. Absolutely. Who wrote that one? Idiot. An idiot. Stevie Nix.

I'd like to tell you that there's a thing called Dry Thunder. So Stevie Nix. is still in the band. That's what he calls his balls. Yes. I can't believe it all but one and he only just got booted. Yeah, that's right. Why do they boot him?

It has not been... Artistic differences. It hasn't been actually stated why. He says that he just got kicked out of the band and they're a bit like, oh, I don't know. Weird. That's a bit sad. They've got over so much. What could it have been?

I know. And then I looked at the set list and they're still playing his songs too. That'd be brutal. Maybe they just really wanted Neil Finn in there. Why not? I love Neil Finn. He's great. Neil Finn was like, hey, can I be in your band?

They're like, Neil Finn, we love you. Sure. Lindsay, you're out. Oh, what? Neil's in. We got Neil. Oh, fair enough. Everyone loves Neil.

Can he say hard of Neil for me? Oh, Neil's great. Dave, that was a great report. Well done. Thank you so much. And that, I believe, completes the triptitch of music episodes. Spanning the genres, spanning the eras, the decades. We had Rihanna, Tism, and now Fleetwood Mac.

Beautiful. A thing of absolute beauty. Well done. Bringing, you know, the Rihanna theme. Rihanna and Riannon. Wow, yeah. You know what I mean? You're right.

Rihanna? Can I say you've... Riannon. You've done it again. You are incredible. He has done it again. Wow. Another stellar report.

Riannon. Riannon. Are you combining Rihanna? Riannan and Rosanna. Rosanna. That is some great work. God, he is talented, isn't he? Thank you. He can do it all.

I bless the reins down in Rihanna. That does bring us to the end of the report section of the podcast, but there's still yet time. There's always time for our favourite part of the show, which is where we spend a little bit of time getting to know our Patreon. That's right. I haven't had a Simpsons reference, and that just reminded me of a

and now for my favourite part of the show this Crossy the Clown, talk to the audience. Oh God, this is always death. What I love about that the most is that we've done multiple Simpsons references this episode.

What have we done? Jimini Jellicas. Oh yeah. Matt, they're just conversational. So this week's fact quote or question, fact quote or question is a segment where we take one of our Patreon supporters

who is on the Sydney-Shineberg level on Patreon and they get to send in a fact, a quote or a question and also give themselves a title. This week in the fact quote or question game, I guess. Is this a game? Segment. Segment, thank you. It is Chloe Warren, her first time. Welcome, Chloe.

Welcome. It's a safe space, Chloe. Yeah. She's given herself the title of Vice Sub-Depity Chief Scientist of the show. Oh, I love that. Oh, we need one of those. so I'm glad you hear. Thank God.

That's been a vacant position for quite a while. We had to advertise for months. Yep. And she has given, this is probably the rarer of the three options. She's given us a, well, actually, I'd say the vast majority of questions, and she has given us a fact. Ooh, I love a fact because I don't have to think of an answer. Yes.

But you can be awestruck. Yeah, I love being awestruck. Can we say true or false, but always to say true? Yeah. Okay, true or false. False. Okay. Hit me.

This is from the vice sub-depity chief scientist of the show. Matt, reading it for the first time. Yeah, I should say, if I have new people to the show, I don't screen these in any way. Many genes get their name from the phenotype, i.e. physical characteristics, which arise when the gene is mutated. When researchers discovered a gene which caused the common fruit fly, bracket, drosophila, melon, Melanogastar, close bracket. To grow an arrangement of spines along its axis,

they dubbed the gene Sonic Hedgehog. I love scientists. Well, there you go. True. I'm going to say, oh, I don't know. No, I'm going to go with Dave. True. It is true.

Hey! It's got a little bit of a false feel to me. Yeah, it sounds like bullshit. Can I just say that Chloe proved that she is the scientist? of the show of that. Yeah, we needed a. Quite a few of those words. I do not understand.

I didn't understand anything you said until Sonic the Hedgehog. Obviously pronounce them all spot on. Obviously. Yeah. Thanks so much, Chloe. That's great. Sonic the Hedgehog. Is that a game you guys ever played?

I was a Nintendo boy out of Super Nintendo. I played a little Sonic at Friends House. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I was a social Sonic player. Yeah. I dabbled in Sonic. I'm not addicted.

Yeah. Could give up whenever I wanted to. Yeah. I never thought that Sonic could take over my life. Yet it did. That's very nice. Thanks so much, Chloe. Thank you so much for your support.

And also another thing we like to do with our Petrions is shout out a few and give them a big thank you. And we also, along with the thank you, we also just organize a little bit of a game. I think we should use their surnames to make a band name. Okay, great. Oh, great. Is it possible because we shout out to two people each that we're. We combine the two to make it? I think that's real nice.

So we've got to pick out which half and which full. You take one full and one half. Oh, yeah, great. Like Fleetwood. Because Max, I mean, Mick Fee is not even a Mac. So you can transform it a little bit. Yeah. Okay, a little bit of transformation.

Yeah, come on, just a little bit of your own. And then we give them a divisive role in the band. Are they the druggie? Are they the boner? Great. Are they the one who dangles fake balls? I'd love to thank firstly a couple of key members of this new band firstly from Putnam Valley in New York

It's Adam Gia Battista Adam Giam Battista Plenty to work with in that too That's a beautiful name from Putnam Valley as well I like that in New York Putnam I reckon they probably say Putnam Right

Does English say Putnam in London, so this would be Putnam. I think so. I love... Don't you love culture? I love culture. I love getting a little bit of culture. I love culture.

And I feel like we just got a little bit of culture now. Is one of the characters in the crucible, Putnam? Maybe, yeah. Goody Putnam, maybe? Maybe. Oh, fucking all hated all those goodies. Yeah, that was like... Goody Proctor.

Sucked. Goody Proctor sucked. Anyway. So Adam Jim Bittista, which I love that name as well. It's great surname. And who else is in Adam's band? And also, from Australia. So this is a multi-continental group from Mossman in New South Wales, Dominic O'Kelly.

Ooh. Oh, Kelly. I feel like maybe OK Jim Battista or something like O'Kelly, OK. Oh, okay. Or it could be Doc. Dominic O'Kelly, Doc Batista. Look, Dave. Doc Batista's cool.

That sounds good, Doc Batista. They sound like a reggae group. Yeah. Or like a funk-infused band. Or a reggae group. I reckon funk. Doc Patista. You guys are already going to split this band up, but it's this creative tension.

What kind of music do they play, Matt? Doc Batista. That's a funk. That's a funk lord. I reckon they play. They're a scat band. They're scatting all over the place. You are spineless.

You won't choose between one of us. Dominic only has a butt. Grow a spine like that song of the Hogfly, you know, dog. See, we learn. So you two, I reckon, make up the other. the three of us all form fill out the five members. Oh, so we're now joining three new bands. Yes.

I'm happy for that. Sick. I got time. I got time. So I reckon Adams, Adam's on drums. Doc is front man. Yeah, big time. I'm just, I'm back in the pocket on the bass.

Jess is dancing and singing. No. Singing and dancing. Bag pipes. Dave on the pipes. Every bag. Golden tonsils on the gold parts. Oh God, it's such a beautiful instrument, isn't it?

So beautiful. It can be. May I thank some people slash former band? Please. Please. Thank you. I would like to thank, from also New South Wales, Fairy Meadow. Whoa, that's the name?

In New South Wales. Oh, okay. It's a beautiful. It's quite a vanilla name in comparison, to be honest. I'd like to thank Christopher Taylor. Oh, that is a good name. But if your name was Ferry. Mary Meadow, Matt would have been a lot more impressed.

That's true. Chris Taylor, thank you, Chris. Do you think it's Chris Taylor from the Chaser? Probably. Yeah, great. Well, thanks so much for your support. I think that would make sense. That's why he has not given us his address, but instead a locked box.

Yeah, smart. Maybe it's Chris. Imagine that. Chris, you were always my favourite. This is interesting because we had an American and an Australian. No, we got the same. We've got Chris, New South Wales, and from Buffalo in New York. Oh, Bill.

Elijah Jimerson. Oh, Jimerson. That sounds like I'm making up a name at the moment. Jimerson, I'm sure I've used as a great method. What I love about this is we've teamed up two people from New York with two people from New South Wales. Yeah. Rather than put the two people from New York into a band together. It can't be done.

Can't be done. Elijah Jimerson. That's a fantastic name. We're a band of the world. So we've already formed Doc Batista. What's this new band called? I want to use Jimerson. Jimerson feels good.

Could you have something and son? Oh, that sounds quite cool. Yeah, nice. Taylor and Son. Yeah, Taylor and Son. Like Mumford and Son. Yeah. Taylor and Son.

Yeah. I like that. I assume they're related. And Chris is playing what instrument? Chris is on the banjo. Yep. Burling, bing. Elijah, though, is on percussion, not just drums, all sorts of different.

Bongos. Bongos. Timponee. Oh, yeah. I love that timpane. Sometimes he just puts one of those big marching drums on front of him and just bangs away at that. He also has that Irish drum.

Yep. Upside-down ice cream containers. Yeah, he does it all. The thing with a beer bottle caps on it. Yeah. From the bush band. I didn't tell you to stop. And what are we playing?

I think we've got the same For efficiency I'm not learning multiple instruments Oh okay We're the same instruments In all of them But we're playing with different genres Sure of course

So the first band was scat Funk So the first man was scat funk Reggae What's this band? I'll let Jess have the arms on this one What? Oh gee, thank you so much

I'll say mine first And then you can just jump on shit all over it All right come on No this won't be a scat band They are a prog rock bush bands

oh that is good too I mean we've got the beer bottle case exactly and we've got the bagpipes which is one of those interests that can just slot into any genre without people really noticing it imagine imagine trying to have

one of those beer can beer bottle things Lagerphones Yes that's what it's called In any other type of bag you'd look like an idiot You would Some would say you'd look like an idiot even in a bush band I was confusing the lager phone with a clay jug, whatever.

Never ever stop in the middle of a holdown. Okay, well, that's a great band name, Taylor and Son, aka Jimerson's Airplane. I would like to thank, if I could. Of course. Thank you so, so much. From Spearfish, fantastic name already. Amazing.

I'm on board early. I want to use that in the band. Yeah. South Dakota. Okay. Have we had a South Dakota before? South Dakota. Let me look up a quick fact.

South Dakota. Is South Dakota? Is that... I think that might be Mount Rushmore. It is. I've always wanted to go. I really want to go. Oh, wow.

It looks like everything's cool. Wind Cave National Park. There's a photo of a bison. And who are we thanking? We'd like to thank Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Peterer Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln, all pitching in $250,000. your month. Thank you so much. Now I'd like to thank from Spearfish, South Dakota, Paige McPhilee. Oh, that is a sick. That is a sick bass players name I reckon.

All right. Feeley on bass. That's brought me out of my spot. Or we could be double bass. We both play the double basses. Jeweling bases. Duoling basses. Thank you so much to McPhilee. And we're going to pair you up. Not with someone from New South Wales, not from someone from America, but someone from Oslo in Norway. Amazing. And as you know, I don't speak Norwegian. No. I did not know that.

I can't get in a respect. So let me try my best to say, thank you from Oslo in Norway. Oistine Espadil. Do you think they'd say it with like a strong Australian accent? Oisdine. I'm confident. I think we've met this person. We have met some great Norwegians in London.

I think this is one of them. And in Birmingham as well. Oistine. And I'm confident he said his name so many times and I tried so many times. I'm guessing it's something like, Weiston? Nah, it wasn't even. Was it Oystein? Oy.

Stein. It was Ois-Petal. Oh, well, I think I can combine. What about McFeeley Spedal? Oh, yeah. That sounds like a cool name. Both of those. What a, what a.

What a fantastic. Page Macfieler, I cannot get over how good that is. I've seen that name around, admittedly, around the Patreon world. Have you ever seen the name, Espedal? I don't think I've ever heard of an Espidol, but I love that name. McPhileyspedal. I think that sounds like a good name. McFeeley, yeah.

So Paige McFedley, I think, is going to be on bass as well. So we've got two bass players. What is Oistine playing? I think the rains, you know? Oh, okay. Just sort of controlling the weather. Wow. Yeah.

Sort of like a satin sound show. So it could be a really good show. It could be like nothing happens. Just two bass players playing. No, I mean, you're still in the band as well. Oh, of course, bagpipes still. Jess is dancing and singing. Bagpipes is such an unnoticeable instrument, as I said.

You barely don't understand. Wait, how do you? Either way, they're controlling the weather. So they're going to bring down rain in the sad songs, which Jess hates. And she's furiously dancing during those songs. She hates her when the sky cries. You are not singing in the rain, but you are dancing in the rain. She's doing a sad jig, which I've never heard of before.

It's an angry jig. Looks like a glum jig to me. How's his face not angry? Look at these eyebrows. Are you okay? They are angry. Could you not do angry? I've never felt it before because that would be an emotion.

You've never felt anything. Let's be honest. No, I'm numb! Once again, everybody, therapy. It helped you. Become numb. Yeah. Which is a truly enlightened state.

If you don't feel anything, you never feel bad. That's good point. Yeah, good neutral. Yeah. But thanks to all our fantastic Patreon supporters, and those three bands, we'll be coming to a festival near you soon. I think we're going to make our own festival

headline by Brown Hornet. Wheat Hornet Hornet. So for legal reasons, because we can't get Rowan back. We'll have to call it Brown Hornet. Why can't you get Ronan back? Why do I keep going to say Ronan? I think it's Ronan Keating. It was Ronan Keating in your band?

Yeah, that's probably going to be a game bag. Yeah, she'll mention how you can see. What? Was that good? Yep. Why did you start laughing? I love that so much. Wow.

Yeah, I think that's one of the worst songs of all times. But you almost turn me around on it. Oh, come on. There's worse songs than that, isn't there? The smile on your face lets me know that you need me. There's a truth in your ass saying you'll never leave me. The touch of your head. Touch my hand.

Makes me. I forgot the words. Says you'll catch me. Says you'll catch me. Whenever I'll call. Line. Line. And then.

You say it best. Say it best. When you say nothing at all. Key change. There's mad on your face. Let's need me. I used to be able to play that on piano. Really?

You used to be great. What? You love it now. Yeah, geez, I just never thought I would. You're welcome. Holy moly. Hey, let's get the fuck out of here. That does bring us to the end of the show.

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