Do Go On - 195 - John McAfee: The Most Dangerous Man In Tech

Episode Date: July 17, 2019

John McAfee has lived a long and controversial life that seems to show no signs of slowing down. He is known as one of the godfathers of cyber security and a bit coin guru, but you may not know that he has also been accused of committing many heinous crimes and lived much of his life on the run.Support the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: www.patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] SHOWS: Book tickets to our live 200th show in BRISBANE, as well as our shows in SYDNEY and PERTH: https://dogoonpod.com/events/See Matt and Jess in their stand up show 'Razzle Dazzle', also in BRISBANE: https://www.stickytickets.com.au/88599/matt_stewart__jess_perkins_in_razzle_dazzle.aspx NEW MERCH SHOP: https://dogoon.bigcartel.com/Matt's Merch: https://mattstewartcomedy.com/shopCheck out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/ Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasSources/Further Reading:https://www.businessinsider.com/the-insane-life-of-john-mcafee-2015-7https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/john-mcafee-6497.phphttps://abcnews.go.com/US/rise-fall-rise-john-mcafee-tech-pioneer-person/story?id=47346015https://www.wired.com/2012/12/ff-john-mcafees-last-stand/https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/has-notoriously-paranoid-software-inventor-and-former-fugitive-john-mcafee-finally-lost-his-mind/news-story/7f352d6fccd0023bfbabce0b3ae0467fhttps://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yppqgg/silicon-valley-s-greatest-bad-guy-is-trapped-in-paradisehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McAfee

Melbourne and Canada, we got exciting news for you. And we should also say this is 2026. Jess, what year is it? 2026. Thank God you're here. Right now, I'm in Melbourne doing my show with Serenji Amarna, 630 each night at the Cooper's Inn Hotel, having so much fun. We'd love to see you there.

Canada, we are visiting you in September this year. If you've somehow missed the news, we are heading up Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal, and Toronto for shows. That's going to be so much fun. Tickets for all this stuff, I believe, are online. And I'm here too. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates.

And welcome into another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm sitting here at a lovely roundtable with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Oh, thank you so much, David. We are the nights of the round table. Yes, we are. Ah, yeah, because it's in at a round table and it's night time. That's true. Hey, what are the odds?

I'm sitting under a lamp in Matt Stewart's lounge room. I feel like we're about to play a high-stakes card game. Yes. You're getting that virus? That's when we're in that see-through green visor. Yeah, I love those. Yeah, and I'm a dog in a painting. I'm smoking a cigar.

Yeah. I'm a bulldog. What are you? I'm rolling dice. You're a poodle, you are. Yeah. Stephen. I'm a sausage dog, please.

Well, we're sitting in the shadow of my stop plate trophy from last week. All right, man, tell us what that's for. Obviously, you want to bring that up? Oh, now that you've mentioned it. What's this trophy all about? This is a little golf tournament, no big deal. 15 years in the making. I finally reached the summit.

Have you never won before? For the second time. How long between drinks? Four or five years. Yeah, good. That's a good feeling. So you go out, how many people were playing? Look, I mean, numbers don't matter.

How many people? Three. Was it three? It was seven. It was a small group this time. Actually, we had 20. Oh, wow. So my odds did increase with those 13 people playing.

So where did you come last year? Last year, I think I was still in the top handful. So you were top seven in both years. I think I had my, would it be like in the top half dozen scores of all time. I'm not a particularly good golf. You just had a good day. Had a, yeah, played with a lot of luck. Made a lot of puts.

I was hitting it real solid out there. So who are you channeling here for people who don't like golf like me? Who's that? I like to sleep around. Okay. Yogi bear? Yogi bear. He loves to sleep around.

He's a real slut. He could not put it away. Oh, picketing baskets under sex. Is there a way that we could launch some sort of do-go-on charity podcast-based golf tournament? I'd love that. We'd invite other podcasts from Melbourne. We compete. Somehow we film it or something.

And it's all for charity, Jess. What do you think? Oh, no, I'm up for that, but I don't want to play the golf. But can I just drive a golf buggy around? Yeah, you could be the official driver for the Melbourne International Podcast Celebrity Golf. Yes. Charity tournament. Do you know my dad do?

Yeah. My dad drove a golf cart basically over a ledge that fell into a sand. What's the sand trap? A bunker. A bunker. Sandwich. He had to jump out of the... cart midair.

An open face club sand wedge. And he landed weirdly on his hip. A few months later, got a hip replacement. Couldn't quite pinpoint where that pain had started. I was like, Dad, do you reckon it's when you jumped out of a golf cart midair? And he went, ah, yeah, that's probably it. And that's my family. Your dad is a maniac.

It sounds like an insurance job. He probably would have died if you hadn't jumped out, that would be fair. So it was probably a good call. Speaking of traveling to sandy places. Yes. What a segue. We're hitting up Brisbane. Is that where you're going with this?

Brisbane doesn't... Oh, they've got a man-made beach, but it's not even on the coast, Brisbane. I was talking about Perth and Sydney. It's time to announce two more shows. We are coming to Brisbane in less than a month now. First of all, this has been on sale for a couple of weeks now. We're hitting up the zoo, name of the venue,

Fortitude Valley, on August the 11th. If you want to come down for a podcast, and then a quiz show straight afterwards, so two shows in one, and then we're doing the same things. First of all, in Sydney. coming up there for the first time in over a year on Saturday, September the 21st at the Giant Dwarf Theatre. Had a fantastic time there last year.

So fun. We're back this time to take over. Because last night we did the second half of the night. There was another show in the first half and we came in. But we're taking over the whole night. We're doing the podcast. First of all. This is news to Matt.

Yeah. And then a bit of a quiz game show thing afterwards. Or something. We don't even know. Let's see how it goes in Brisbane first. Before we lock in. Yeah. It could be stand up.

It could be. You get two shows. Could be me doing puppetry of the earlobes. Really? I don't have a lot, but I can do a mean mattress. I can do a... Oh, there I'm doing it now. What do you reckon?

I can see the transformation. I can sleep on that. You don't feel like having a lie down? I can do a dumpling. What do you reckon? That's good. Yeah. Folding that ear over.

So I mean... There's two tricks. As good as this is audioly, imagine it. audiovisually. Wow. So that's Sydney. We're announcing that show. First of all,

tickets are on sale right now. They went on sale today, the day the episode came out. And then we are coming over, as Matt just said, to Perth for our first ever show over in Western Australia. People have been bugging us for a long time.

So we're really hoping you do get behind this because it's a long way for us to go. It's a long way. I mean, we have been at Thailand in the UK before Perth. And people came. So, thank goodness. Yeah.

Perth, the Comedy Lounge, fantastic venue you got there Sunday November the 3rd we're coming for you baby an all afternoon extravaganza come on down yes I cannot wait so excited for all that right that's right so tickets are on sale for all the shows Brisbane Sydney and Perth at do go onpod

dot com I just love to travel yeah I love to travel with friends I love to live I love to laugh I love to love and I love you Perth and Brisbane and Sydney I do prefer to travel with friends but you guys will do right well I'm inviting friends Oh, great, yeah. To fly with me.

I was assuming you two were friends of mine. I count you that way. Oh, do you? Why? Just my good friend. You've also been working on a merchandise shop for us. I have, yes. You're putting that retail experience to the test.

I never knew that that would come in handy and old boy has it. That's great. So for a little while we've had a red bubble. But. Yeah, where things are printed on demand, but it's not quite as... We can't control the quality. Yeah. So it comes up with like a bunch of different options for you,

but they don't always come out super well. So what I've done is because we had so much merch, especially like all T-shirts basically, from live shows and stuff like that, I've put it online. You can buy them now T-shirts that were previously exclusively available at live shows are available on the internet. Amazing.

So cool. And so there'll be a link to that in their show description. Yeah, all over. Check our socials and stuff. We're working on updating that on our website as well. It's a big cartel. It is a big cartel. That we're part of.

Basically, I'll be managing that for the most part. So if you want a t-shirt, you can absolutely grab one and I'll send it out to you. So Jess will hand send that out to you, which is quite cool. And also you also throw it to you if you're close enough. Yeah. The dug on Frisbee. And you've also ordered some little dugon cards. Yeah.

Which is quite nice that you'll get in the mail with your order. Yeah, yeah, a little, thank you. That's cool. While we're plugging just a couple of last quick plugs, Jess, we're doing a show in Brisbane. Yes. Just the week after the Brisbane live do go on called Razzle-Dazen.

It's a stand-up show. It's basically trying out new material, but it should be loose and fun. It'll be very fun. And bringing a little bit of that old-school, Razzle-Darsal. Yes. Wait, which one are you?

I think I'm Darsal. Yeah, I agree. You're definitely Razzle. I'm a Razzle. I want to have you... I'm a cheeky Razzle. That's right. That's right. That's right.

And there's also just the last bits and pieces of my merch that was I had at my live shows earlier this year, including primates, beanies and some enamel pins of my face. Just to translate for our Canadian listeners, those are toaks. Oh, tokes. Yeah, I saw someone mention that. They called Beanie's Tooks over there. Toot's? Which I love.

I thought it was Toakes. No, I've heard, on Nathan for you, he sold, because he's Canadian, he referred to them as Tuk. Cool. Right. Yeah, I heard Justin Bieber and Avril Levine talking about it with the singer from Nickelback. Yeah. And they were hanging out with Lenny.

Ed Cohen and Neil Young and Michael Boobley. And also, they were all talking to a Mountie who was riding a moose. And they were all saying Ryan Reynolds. They were saying Ryan Reynolds, where's itoke? So yeah, so that anecdote probably helps. But you can go to Matt Stewartcomedy.com slash shop, I think. I should have checked that before. Anyway, that's so many plugs.

We should start the show. Yeah, let's start this goddamn. podcast, which, if you haven't heard before, tuning in for the first time, what we do is we usually take it in turn to report on a topic often suggested by a listener, and whoever's in charge of the report, the other two people, they have no idea what they're about to talk about. And this week, Matt, you're in charge. It's so good to be in charge. Grabbing the reins, I'm going to ride this moose all the way to the Canadian border of joy. Right, the Canadian border of joy being America. Yeah. Which is where some of this report is based. Fantastic. Good.

In America. We always start with a question. We do. My question this week is, who is the most? I mean, it's pretty funny so far. Who is the most? Jess, you got an early call on this? No, the cat just licked my hand.

It was particularly needy cat hanging around. Got really rough tongue. What's cat's name? Penny. Penny. Oh, good name for a cat. Hello, Penny. Oh, you like me.

The people who were enjoying the plugs will be enjoying this. Just do get on with the show. I'm so sorry. Penny will be appearing live at the zoo in Brisbane with us. Question. Question to get on topic. Penny, you can answer this as well. Who is the most controversial person in the world of cyber security?

Oh my God. Do you know any his name? And there's a given you know. His surname is the name of, the still very big cyber security brand. Is it a Maccavy? It is, John McAvey. Definitely thought it was Julian Assange.

Or McAfee or Maccalfee. Would you say McAfee? I think I always said McAfee. It's like the little yellow shield maybe. Yeah. I think that might be Norton. You've probably deleted off your computer. Definitely.

Yeah. Graham Norton also has a competing brand. Or is it? John Adblocker. John Adblocker. He's my favorite. He does great work. One million ads blocked.

Thanks, John. How are you doing it? How you do it? Whoa. So, there's Penny's on the table now. You don't have, honestly, Penny, you don't have to do that. It's been very generous. We're gambling and I've gone all in with Matt's cap.

Put it on the table. She does what I do, that she just like bashes her head into you for attention. Yeah, you buck us. Yeah, I do. You're a bucker. All right. So, John McAvitt. So, Jess, do you know anything about it?

because I've only had one story about him and it did make me laugh and I hope you'll be covering it. Okay, because there's stories that will make you maybe laugh, but also stories that will make you feel sad about the world. He's done some bad things, allegedly. Anyway. Well, this thing, can I just also stipulate? It's also terrible.

Okay. Oh, okay. You've heard a terrible but funny story. I mean, funny because it wasn't me. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess that's a good warning for everyone who doesn't like light being made of terrible things. Terrible things.

And let's not forget that Matt did do the story about a man who was banged to death by a horse a few weeks ago. So he literally has no filter anymore. This was suggested by Michael Apostolides. I reckon that second one was better. And Finlay Williams and Fabian, no surname. Here we go. No surname is an interesting one. Now I reckon if your name is Fabian, you can go solo Monica, I reckon.

Yeah, good call. How many Fabians do you know? I never met one. Don't want to. John David McAfee. Are we going to say McAfee? You've seen it written down more recently than I have, so you should go over the way. I always said McAfee.

John David McCaffey was born on the 18th of September, 1945, on a US Army base in Gloucestershire in the UK to an English mother. I'm going to have to stop you there because you'll get tweets. Gloucestershire. Oh, fuck. You will get tweets. I'm so sorry to everyone out there. But was that Maccalfey, however? Sorry about both.

Gloucestershire in the UK to an English mother and an American father who was stationed there. When he was young, the family moved to Virginia in the United States. A Virginia, I. Sorry, thank you. And his father was reportedly an alcoholic died when McAfee was still very young, about 15. He was a bright student and studied mathematics at Roanoke. college receiving his bachelor's degree in 1967, the summer of love almost. What was the summer of love, 69?

Of course. Oh my goodness. I mean, do you have to ask? Oh my Lord, I didn't even mean that. You have to ask. That was the dinner of love for two. During his first couple of decades out of college, McAfee worked at NASA, Nasa. Am I saying the right?

as a program director a programmer program director program for a couple of years space program as well as working at univac and xerox what years was he is this is just after that yeah so i guess did he work on the space mission on the moon i think he was working at at a nassar based in new york so i think it wasn't necessarily they do they do launch rockets at the moon right what else do they launch rockets at mars A wide range Of rockets During the 80s

McAfee became aware of a computer virus commonly known as brain You know this? Brain According to centrien.com.com. The first computer virus for MSDOS was brain and was released in 1986 It would overwrite the boot sector on a floppy disk

And prevent the computer from booting It was written by two brothers from Pakistan And was originally designed as a copy protection whatever all that means. Right, so it was actually meant for good. That sort of sounds like, copy protection sounds good. Did you write whatever all that means? No.

Dave, check his computer. Don't. We got a note at some point from someone saying, can you stop saying what you have and haven't written? No one cares. I don't think we've ever had that. That's you. That note has never existed.

No one's ever tweeted that. I wrote it in a pad. I'll show off to you later. McAvey was one of the first to become aware of it and how it worked, which also meant he was able to design software that was able to beat it. He has said that he wrote the antivirus program in a day and a half, and that four million people were using it within a month. And this is how his company, McAfee Associates,

the antivirus software company, was born. Right. Put a sound effect in there and post, sorry. The company boomed and in 1992 was incorporated. A couple of years later, McAfee resigned and he sold his stake reportedly making $100 million. Whoa. Though McAvier since told ABC News in America that his fortune was worth much more. Sorry, just a correction there.

I'm not worth $100 million. I'm with $200. He seems, yeah, and it's hard to know. He's always like, yeah, I was playing you back then. He does that a lot. It'll rewrite history a bit and say, yeah, no. That was, because I wanted you to think I didn't have that much money back then, but actually. Sounds like a trustworthy man.

From there, he moved into his next venture, which was a chat program called Tribal Voice. Ever heard of it? No. Neither. But he sold it for 17 million soon after. Wow. I'm guessing partially based on his own name. But I think it might have been.

This is a dot-com boom type thing, right? Yeah. And also messaging services, I guess it was something. I saw somewhere that he was an early influencer in that, so maybe that's what that was. When asked by the ABC journalist, what he did with all the money, he replied, I wasted it like everybody who has money.

More specifically, he had nine homes built and bought lots of weird and wonderful stuff, including airplanes, expensive artwork, and a dinosaur skull. What is with rich people and dinosaur skulls? Remember that was that story of Nicholas Cage and Leonardo DiCaprio, both bidding, having a bidding war over dinosaur skull. And then it turned out that it was,

had had been stolen or something, so they had to give it back anyway. Oh, yeah, that's right. I was spending like 300 grand or something on it. Is that in that Mesa episode about Superman maybe? Yeah, maybe. That sounds about right. Because he was one,

what, yeah, he bought the original Superman comic. Yeah, and then it was stolen because he left the key in the lock. Great episode. Get back a listen. He also opened a retreat in Colorado where he, He rebranded himself as a yoga guru. He left all the tech stuff behind. He sold his companies.

Now he's a yoga guru. The next big thing, yoga. Yeah. He wrote heaps of books, like half a dozen or something, books about yoga and how it's a great way of life and stuff like that. Yep. And he spent his time leading yoga sessions and speaking about the meaning of life. Okay. This feels like a turn for the positive.

Yeah. According to a quote on vice.com, a former student spoke of the retreats. saying everything was free. You would think that this guy was amazingly generous and kind, but he was getting something out of it. He was interested in being the centre of attention. He was surrounded by people around him who didn't have any money and were depending on him, and he could control them.

So they spin it as it's almost like a negative. I mean, it was fine up until the control part. Yeah. It's fine for a lonely person to have friends come around. Oh, control. Gotcha. Okay. A cult.

Yep, that's weird. but he grew bored of that enlightened lifestyle pretty quickly and he found a new obsession which was aerotrecking and according to the vice article aerotrecking is the practice of flying lightweight aircraft called trikes just a few feet off the ground can't believe it didn't take off more than that a few feet but yeah I'd never heard of it

it sounds pretty tame right and he encourages followers to take it up And he opened a centre for the sport in New Mexico. So he's trying to get the yoga people to jump ship to another thing. Yeah, I got another thing. This will relax. You like yoga. What about like a mild extreme sport?

Yeah. Where you could jump out of this at any time la John Perkins in a golf car. He'd love this. Honestly, you can jump out of anything at any time if you want. I can jump out of this seat right now. If you believe in it. Actually, I'm kind of pinned in against this. I probably couldn't.

But you could do almost anything you want. You could do almost anything I want. Not this. Not this. but almost anything else. So it's seriously just a few feet off the ground. That's how that vice article was described. It's like a hoverboard.

So it's, but that doesn't sound dangerous, right? But apparently it is more dangerous than it sounds because it led to the death of his 22-year-old nephew and a 61-year-old passenger. What? Yeah, I can't. I guess, unless it's moving really fast or...

Well, it must be if it's flying, right? But... Yeah. I mean, you can fly slowly. Yeah, but not like 10-K an hour. True. That is still pretty fast to fall under the ground, especially if it's rocky terrain or something.

These deaths led to a lawsuit being filed against him, and as a result, he liquidated his many assets and fled to Belize. Now, have we got to the thing that you found funny yet? No. I'm interested as to what it is, and also a bit scared as to what you find funny. Remember it's Dave. None of the deaths so far have been amusing to you.

Oh, sorry, sorry, death, yes. Very good. Ha-ha. Well played. So he fled to Belize. You would have been a geography expert. You would know exactly where that is and would have known, unlike me, before this week, that it is a country. In Central America, yes.

That's right. He noted at the time, or not long after, a judgment in the States is not valid down in Belize. so people are suing him over those deaths he's basically fleeing that judgment he told the media at the time though that he his fortune was hit by the global financial crisis or was that does that time that right no it might not be quite right but he was hit by a big downturn in the market and that's why I had to sell his many properties and belongings he invited the media to film the auctions there's footage of he seems to have a camera around him all the time. There's so much footage of him through all this time you can see him through the

like the computer nerd era and this auction he's there at. The computer nerd era. There's footage of him. You know what they're like. The yoga. Yeah, there are. There's footage of him leading what yoga things on his. He obviously was very open having cameras around all the time.

So the media came and saw him mocked him off all his stuff. And he told the media then that he'd lost over 90% of his fortune. He has since admitted that he liquidated his assets because people would stop suing him if they thought he was broke saying, I've had 200 lawsuits in my life because my name is John McAfee. No, I didn't lose everything. I wanted to stop people from trying to sue me. People don't sue him if he's got no money is what his theory was.

I'm not going to sue a poor person, are you? But it's also like I don't, he's the kind of untrustworthy narrator that you go, are you just saying that? Which bit is alive. Yeah. It's just hard to tell with him where reality starts and stops. Anyway, he started a new, a new life in Belize. So is this like, this is basically his fourth reinventing.

Yeah, he's just always restless and reinventing. I mean, by this stage, he's in his 50s. So it's not like his kids still. But yeah, he seems to change up pretty regularly. And like not super connected. things either. Very different. In Belize, again, a wild sort of left-hand turn,

he started a company experimenting with making antibiotics from plants in the jungle. His company called Quorum X focused on a field of microbiology called Antiquorum Sensing. And according to the Vice article, it is whereby you fight bacteria, not by killing it outright, but by interrupting its chemical path. So obviously this comes on from aerot trekking. Yeah, yeah. Obviously. I first of all had the idea whilst I was a yoga teacher,

then I developed it whilst flying two feet off the ground at 100 miles per hour, and now I've affected it in the jungle. The article... It's a tailor's oldest time. Yeah, obviously. I can't believe I had to explain that. The article goes on to say that the operation was led by Dr. Allison Adonizio, Harvard researcher who, according to McAfee, was already aware of one such plant by early 2010.

McAvey claimed they'd found six locally, which according to the vice article, was a blatant lie. Oh. At first, so Adonizio was interviewed in this documentary I watched last night, like a feature-length documentary called Gringo about John McAfee. and she features in it pretty heavily and she talks about her time there which was pretty awful she says at first she thought it was her dream job you know rich backer was going to fund the research that she wanted to do but pretty quickly things got weird tell as old as time yeah don't trust rich people who want to give you money to do the thing you really want to do like That comes with a big catch, surely.

But when they arrive and say, I'm here because I've escaped killing two people in a plane you've never heard of. Yeah. Also, I used to teach yoga. So if you want to chill later, let me know. Okay. But more importantly, I want to give you unlimited cash to do that thing you do. Okay. Yeah, that's a bit you focused on.

Yeah. She said that, like, he grew impatient with her, like, not getting the results he thought, would happen a lot quicker. And then he'd get her to do things like put colored dyes in beakers for photos. Say, look, I'm looking at this blue glass beaker of liquid. We're making progress. And that's why he's saying, we've found six plants and things are moving. But it was him just going, let's fake it a bit.

And she said, this is not cool. And he's like, no, no, this is just business. It's just business. You've got to keep the buzz going, sort of thing. That's how she tells them. But I mean, that was sort of the lighter stuff. It got more fucked. No, not green in the beaker.

No, Matt, please. Not red in the beaker. There was red, yes. Oh, my God, he's a monster. He insisted that she lived with him. He said there was no accommodation for her. He had to live in it. And this is a quote from her, she said,

he tried to convince me that love doesn't exist. So I might as well just sleep, I might as well just give in and sleep with all these crazy circus folk. This is like her being interviewed by Gizmoto. I was naive about who and what Mr. McAfee really is. So who are there at circus folk that she's referring to there? Oh, I just, all the, he's sort of hangers on and stuff. Oh, okay, right, right. I think I mentioned it coming up, but he's sort of got, he's got a harum of young girlfriends.

And, yeah, and, and, uh, also. so he hires a bunch of sort of ex-cons as well. He's a lonely man. He just likes company. But yeah, she's also since spoken to ABC News and filmmaker Nanette Burstein on her documentary about McAfee, the one called Gringo, the dangerous life of John McAvey. And on both, Adonizio alleges that McAfee drugged and raped her

when she tried to quit the project. soon after she fled home to Pennsylvania and got in contact with FBI about her allegations though the FBI told her it was not within their jurisdiction which I get it's it I don't understand the FBI they're obviously mainly America based but yeah she tells the story in a fair bit of detail

she's sipping on the orange juice she's like I can't believe how I feel like such an idiot it tasted weird I made a joke about it like oh it's weird you can't get, because the town they were living in was called Orange Walk, and apparently she said, weird, you can't get normal tasting oranges in Orange War. And then she comes to the next, yeah. Yeah.

And she plays like that, but obviously this has messed her up. Yeah, big time. I mean, obviously, but you can see it. He refutes all these claims. Oh, that's interesting. And says that she's loopy, basically. Right. Well, I guess that's that then, isn't it?

He seems to get away with everything, you know, allegedly get away with everything because he's never really been charged with any of these serious things that he's been accused of. Journalists ever get to ask him about any of the allegations, he'll brush it off by the same accusers of being paid off, or they're crazy, or there's some sort of conspiracy or whatever. Like the whole reason he was in Belize in the first place, it seems to be that he was fleeing legal trouble in the U.S. about the arrow-trecking deaths. So Belize is, it sounds like it's like a kind of lawless place, but it's not there's, there's cops around. And they ended up raiding his lab in 2012.

I can't believe how recent all this is. The Belizeian. They're like, I forget what they're called, but they're like the gang. There's a police section called the gang. enforcement section or something. Right. And they rated his lab in 2012, believing it was being used to manufacture methamphetamine. Vice reported that the cops found 20 grand in cash, a lab stock with chemistry equipment,

a small armory's worth of firearms, including a seven pump action shotguns, one single action shotgun, two nine millimeter, millimeter pistols, 270 shotgun cartridges, 39 millimeter pistol rounds, and 20, 30-millimeter. round. Fexingly for the police, the article says, all of this was actually legal. The guns were licensed and the lab appeared not to be manufacturing jugs, but was...

Jugs. Jugs or drugs. It wasn't a jug factory. No. Guys, bad news. They've been making vases. Totally illegal vases. No jugs.

I'm afraid you've only got a license for jugs. That was me playing a jug, by the way. A big clay jug. Simpsons reference there. Yeah, finally. Never ever stop in the middle of a hodown. Did somebody posted recently the Patreon group of like You two making a Simpsons reference and me just looking perplexed?

And I was like, I get them. I just don't enjoy them. I just don't feel the need to put them into every conversation. Weirdo. What's wrong with you? Yeah, I don't know. Are you from our generation? No.

I'm an old soul. You prefer Mash. I love Mash. Do, do, do, do, do, do. That is painless. Yeah, it's a feel good comedy. So the lab appeared not to be manufacturing drugs or jugs, but antibacterial compound.

So exactly what he said. But also, God, it looks us to have that much cash and guns. Why does he have any of that? I imagine it is a pretty, it is one of the most dangerous countries in the region. Yeah. I think it's like murder capital for a while there. And he's super paranoid. Did they get knocked off the top?

Yeah, I think they might. Top spot. Damn it. By Gary, Indiana. Just a joke, obviously, Gary's paradise. A beautiful place. I cannot wait to visit. An oasis.

Yeah. Yeah, so I imagine that if you've got like a big crew, especially full of ex-cons, it's kind of natural to have those guns. From that part of the world, anyway. So I was kind of mentioned this before, but McAfee had a haram. of young girlfriends in Belize. And he seemed to have young girlfriends the whole way through.

It came up a lot reading about him. Most articles mentioned, depending on when the article was from, different girlfriends. Yeah, but he had half a dozen or so in Belize. At the same time? Yes. In the documentary, I watched a lot of them were interviewed in it. And they seemed, I think it was sort of at first, it was the money, but they all seemed to end up falling from a bit.

And then there's this one cut where they all sort of basically say, I was his favourite, he spent the most time with me. And just one after the other, they all said something similar about that. So they were also sort of like obviously some sort of competition for his affection as well. Stockholm syndrome. He apparently often involved with women as young as teenagers. And in one interview I saw with him, he stresses that they're all over the age of consent, though, which is reassuring when a seven-year-old men.

man has to say, well, boy, you've got to understand they're all like old enough. Legally. At least. Yeah.

Certainly not emotionally mature enough. But legally, I'm allowed. That's so gross. Ethically, it's a huge, big misuse of their trust. But legally,

I love a legal loop. hole. Yeah. And it'd be like in the frame of mind where you're like saying to a news, you're being interviewed on the news, you're like, oh, don't worry. If you have to say age of consent, they're too young. That's just a general rule for you out there. That's good to get those rules out there.

Yeah. McAfee threw his money around a lot in Belize. He donated millions to the police department in particular, which obviously seems to nice donation. Yeah. Just likes to support the police. So gave the Chief of Police a brown paper bag donation, said, buy yourself something nice.

Yeah. And said, how old's your daughter? In the documentaries, there's obviously not painting the nicest picture of him, but they, I don't think the maker of that docker is a big fan of this somehow. But I mean, he's also giving all this content for her. But they showed all that, like, heaps and heaps of tasers, bullets, guns. He donated all this stuff to them. Wow.

Dave, what language would they speak in Belize? Spanish. Thank you, Dave. See. He also showed increasing signs of paranoia whilst there and became very security conscious. Or loco. Hiring a small army of local ex-cons to work as his personal security team,

as well as a pack of guard dogs for his property and all sorts of weaponry as we talked about before. He dressed his security team in army fatigues and had them patrol the main street apparently. So when you say dress them, it sounds like he's personally dressing them. Yeah. All right.

They're like his Giro does. Time to put on your little mittens. Cucky mittens. And it's so he's got big truck, like big Ute sort of American style, big Ute trucks. And they drive through the main strip with all the,

basically looks like a mini militia sitting in the back of his Ute arm to the teeth. And it, In the docker, it said that he enforced a, what do you call it, when people aren't allowed out after a certain amount of time? Curfew. Curfew. Enforced a curfew for the locals and stuff, which sounds a bit, yeah, no, I don't understand either.

Didn't seem to make a lot of sense. Why does he get to do that? I don't know. I want to do that. I'm going to enforce a curfew in my apartment building. You should do it. All you have to do is get a local militia. To be fair, they're all old.

Yeah, but it's more of a power move. They're enforcing their own. You make them not be able to go to bed. Yeah. You blast hip-hop. 2 a.m. Yeah. Have we,

has the funny things that doesn't happen? I'm so curious that's what it is. Yeah, what do you find funny, Dave? No, don't put that pressure on me. I've heard it like an anecdotal story. I haven't watched any of these horrifying documentaries.

I didn't realize what a bad person he was. So don't put this on me. According to the Gringo documentary, when a local man named David Middleton was suspected of robbing McAfee's home, McPhee allegedly, I mean everything I'm saying is allegedly. Can I do a blanket allegedly? Of course. He's never been.

Off the record. Yeah, I don't think the law's never caught up with him. This is very much on mic on record. Allegedly. Allegedly. So, yeah, local man named David Middleton was suspected of robbing McAfee's home. And McAfee allegedly organized for Middleton to be abducted by some hired thugs. And before taking him and stabbing and tasering him within an incherfe's home.

within an inch of his life. So that's a message sort of thing. So what was the idea? What was he saying he'd done? Rob him. He'd broken into his house. Right. Whoa.

That's messed up. Yeah. On the docker there's a, the one of his workers says, yeah, he paid me to organize. I went into town and I picked up this group of huge guys and got them to, you know, send a message, basically. All right, you got me. That's the funny bit. Classic. They then pushed him out of the car.

in the middle of town, right in front of a bunch of locals. They rushed to his assistance, but even still he slipped into a coma and made it died in a hospital. Oh my God. Just a clap for that was not the funny bit. Yeah. So yeah, so that's basically... So that's a murder charge, essentially.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And that is not the only death that McAfee has been linked to from his time in Belize. Oh, my God. An American expat named Gregory Ford. Paul had moved to Belize for the quiet life.

Unfortunately for him, he moved a couple doors down from McAfee, who lived afar from quiet life. His pack of dogs in particular caused Fall a lot of grief with their incessant barking. Apparently, Fall complained and said that he was going to do something about the dogs if McAfee didn't. Not too long after the nine dogs were found dead, poisoned by meat that had been thrown over the fence.

So I think it seems like that was Fall who did that. Allegedly. Within a day of the dog massacre, Fall was found dead in his apartment. The official police report says that the cops found Fall's body lying face up in a pool of blood with an apparent gunshot wound on the upper rear part of his head. Oh my God. Apparently the chances of convicting murderers in Belize is very low. Cicide Belize is fairly bare bones

Yeah And unless there is an eyewitness or a confession The crimes are likely to go unpunished Apparently the murder conviction rates are around 3%. What? Yes Far out but also Yeah, pack of dogs are very annoying

Doesn't mean you kill them I'm not saying you deserve to be murdered Sorry I was just thinking about that again. Neither did the dogs. No, definitely not. Yeah, it's all. Nothing in that story is nice, is it?

None of these people deserve to die. Let me just put that out there. Can I do that? Yeah. So, Belize city in 2011, was the, had the fourth highest murder rate of any city in the world. Right.

And Belize is the third highest national murder rate in the world. Yeah, right. They're doing really well. So it's a high murder rate and a low conviction. A low conviction. But 3% of a lot of people is still, few people. So all that being said, he was still the police's main suspect and they wanted to arrest him basically. But he still denies any involvement saying that it's all stitch up by the

Belize government. And because of this, he decided to flee the country before they could get him. Oh yeah, okay. Gotcha. Check's out. Classic innocent man. He loves to flee. I wouldn't know where to flee. where would you flee probably across the Guatemalan border okay is that what he does yeah okay I was asking you

Matt Stewart fleeing from Melbourne from here geez doesn't everyone go to Darwin oh you're still staying within the country oh okay I mean the feds can still get you

oh yeah but then like New Zealand that's convenient oh yeah I like New Zealand flight them, Darwin. No, you've got to go on an extradressing country people. Yeah. Oh.

Yeah, Belize. You're Russians, you're Spains. Oh, Spain? I got robbed in Spain. Why do you think? All the crims go there. Oh, okay. That's a beautiful country I've been many times and I love it.

Anyway, Matt, do you get one. Yeah, but someone will try to rob me in Spain as well. They had their hand in my pocket. Oh. Were you like, oh, this guy's getting pretty friendly. Back pocket? Kind of a cute little bum grab? No, front pocket.

Oh, that's weird. Wow. And you thought it was like a customer went into his pocket? He was like, what are you doing? Yeah, and we walked down the street, hand in pocket. That's what I mentioned. It was nice. I miss him every day.

So he was the main suspect. He wanted to flee. And this is what he said. This is his reasoning. He said, under no circumstances am I going to, under no circumstances, am I going to willingly talk to the place? police in this country. You can say I'm paranoid about it, but they will kill me. There is no question. They've been trying to get me for months. They want to silence me. I'm not well liked by the

Prime Minister. I think this is true because there was footage and it was played in the documentary in another. I've seen it a few times of the Prime Minister Dean Barrow calling McAfee bonkers. Oh, I go. He goes, he is delusional. He's like, I'd almost say he's bonkers. It's funny language from a prime minister, but he just, he almost felt like, sounded like he was, he was just like, this guy. He sounds like he'd be hard work, you know? Yeah, just because he's so paranoid that the theories are always pretty big. But, you know, if he's, if he's telling the truth about everything,

some wild things going on. So now on the run, McAvey was able to escape over the border to Guatemala. Oh. And after being on the run for about a month, he agreed to meet for an interview with a vice journalist. When that journalist met him, they interviewed, they took a photo together. The journalist uploaded that photo and inadvertently gave away their location. He didn't delete the geolocation metadata.

And that led to McCaffey being arrested by Guatemalan officials soon after for entering the country illegally. Oh dear. That's awkward. One of his girlfriends hooked him up with her uncle, who was a top lawyer, and he was going to help fight extradition to Belize. His lawyer told him that he wouldn't be able to file the appeal until 3pm that afternoon, though, telling him that in the hours until then,

he was vulnerable to being booted back to Belize. So soon after, McAfee collapsed on the floor of an apparent heart attack, and he was rushed to hospital. Oh my God, did he fake a heart attack? But as the clock ticked over 3pm, he made a miraculous recovery. Having avoided deportation. Asked later by ABC News if he'd faked it, he replied, Sure, I faked it.

What would you have done? Okay. Well, at least he's honest about it. Yeah. Because it feels like he's just so full of shit. Yeah, that he might, no, I did. I just had a hard attack until 3pm. It was very, I was, my life, it flashed before my eyes.

But he loves, he loves telling stories of smart things he did. I checked him. I outsmarted him. Yeah, right. He likes it when he wins. Yeah, not saying I got lucky from getting unwell. No, I did that on purpose. I told my heart to attack.

Yeah, it wasn't a fat heart attack. I mean, the heart attack was real, but I was in control the whole time. He wasn't deported to Belize because of this, but he was instead deported to Miami. And he sort of made it sound like that was what he wanted. He was going, oh, they're forced men on this plane of Miami. He's like, yeah, I want to go to Miami.

He heard that Will Smith song. Yeah. And he just wanted to get there. I wanted to check it out. In West Philadelphia, born and raised. Miami's a lot closer to West Philadelphia. Like Guatemala. Mm.

So arriving in Miami, he met his future wife, Janice, that day. What? She recounted this story in an interview with Black Enterals. enterprise.com saying, I met John the night he was deported from Guatemala. He looked as defeated as I felt. I think we recognised in each other the same feelings of loneliness and emptiness. When he was deported from Guatemala, the government of Belize had illegally seized all of his property in bank accounts, so he literally left with the clothes on his back. One thing led to another,

and I soon found myself on a road trip across the country with him. It was one of the most beautiful times of my life. John displayed a knowledge and a worldly kind of experience that captivated me. I've been with him ever since. Oh, jealous. How do they meet? At a restaurant? I don't know, he just...

Was he not under a rest? I know, he got deported and then straight to a restaurant. And then road trip. Yeah. That's so romantic. That is hot. The, um, that interview also asked her if the allegations against McAfee made her weary of marrying him and she answered, no, not at all.

The allegations against my husband are nothing more than so-called journalists and biographers sensationalizing my husband's story in order to make a name for themselves. And she's saying this to a journalist. Yeah. Good. But also she met him after all this stuff. So she's just taking his word for it as well. Less than 10% of what is written about my husband is true.

Most of it is written without him even giving an interview. The media has told so many lies about my husband. It's disgusting. Anyone that truly knows John knows that he has the biggest heart and he has a genuine love for people. And the biggest wallet. He's so wealthy. But is he still wealthy or has he lost at all? Now, he's still doing okay.

At this point, though, according to her, he had nothing left. But I think he had something. She goes on to say what actually started his war with Belize is that he was giving money to the locals instead of donating in inverted commas to the government. He opened several different businesses in Belize and hired only the locals to run them. He gave so many Belizeans an opportunity to earn a steady income. He never took a dime from any of the businesses and all the profits went directly to the locals. Millions of dollars. The government officials didn't like that.

So he made the decision to take his seat. story to the international press to speak about the corruption in the government and he was labelled a drug-addled child molesting crazy man so that's what that's her story and I guess by extension that was the story he told her yeah the government were after me to see some of the paperwork for those businesses apparently I mean I think he did do a lot of that stuff but I don't think the government necessarily will like give us the money yeah or we're going to make up weird and like real specific and extensive stories about you with a lot of people who will interview about it.

Yes. In the Gringo documentary, one of McAfee's ex-employees, Kassian Chavaria, says that McAfee paid to have fall killed. That's the neighbor who the dog, the dog, yeah. McAvey has since denied this saying that the filmmaker, Bursstein, who made the Gringo doco, paid them to make the accusations on camera, even saying that he told them they should take the money and say whatever she asked them to. She's like, apparently goes, cash in his ex-employee called him and said that she's offering

me 12 grand to say zone. He goes, yeah, I told him, take it 12 grand, that's great. So whatever she wants. That's a good deal. That's a good deal. That's how he tells it afterwards. Business, baby. and then Maccavy after that released videos of Chaviria.

It's not right. And others saying that they did in fact lie. Burstein has since said that she's spoken Chavaria and others who told her that they only made these new videos as they were paid by McAfee. Yeah. But McAfee has denied this. Of course. So it's just like they keep going backwards and forwards saying, now they paid them to say this.

There's videos of them contradicting themselves. Both of them say the other side. Yeah, it's pretty convoluted and confusing. McAvey has remained in the media spotlight since he, since his return to America. In August 2015, he was pulled over in Tennessee near where he was now living with his wife, Janice. The cop believed he was drunk, but McAvey says he was just high on Zanix. It's fine, officer. I'm just pinging.

There's a bit, you know, a lot of American cops have the videos. Yeah. This video is public. You can watch it. And in the video of the arrest, McAfee's there. He comes out of his car in a hoodie and he goes, I'm John McAfee. You've probably read about me living here. And the cop goes, yeah, I don't know who you are.

Oh, he did a, don't you know who I am. But like he didn't, he didn't even let anybody speak first. He just started with, this is who I am. And then Maccabee's like, really? The surprise that he hadn't heard of him. And he's standing there with his hands behind his back, cuffed. And he starts going, I'm the guy I was accused of murder in Belize. Then I ran to Guatemala.

And the cop goes, okay. It is pretty, he's like fully nonchalant and he's telling him all this. He's like, the FBI, probably going to be interested in me. You probably should call him. I was like, all right, man. He's like, oh, really, FBI. And then. there's footage in the car and the guy's like, oh, so you're still working in antivirus stuff?

This is having this real chilled out combo. Making comment with the guy who just said, yeah, wanted by several governments. I'm accused of four murders in Central America. Oh, yes, he's still working in antibiotics? What are you doing in the yoga stuff anymore? Yeah, he's doing. My wife and I've just gotten into yoga and I'll tell you what, I was skeptical. But I've been feeling just, I got my sense of calm, my flexibility.

I cannot. I couldn't touch my toes. I mean, look at me now. Let's pull over. I'm going to show you my downward facing dog. Yeah. And look at that. Look at that. How deep in there I'm getting. I can feel it in my hamstrings, but also in my heart. Heartstrings. Namaste.

So he ended up, he got done for this. He lost his license for drink driving. He's like, Zanax driving. He's like, he had, there's a lot of footage with him being interviewed by the ABC guy, he's just sitting in the back with the journalist and his wife Janice is driving around. So he was, he wasn't put out too much by that. Around that time, he ran for president of the United States. You might have heard of me. I'm running for president. I've, uh, one of four murders in, uh, Belize. What? Uh, so, do you know, the libertarian party? It's,

it's like one of the bigger, minor parties over there. And there's a liberal, bit of a libertarian movement in Australia as well. Yeah, David Lainhal. They're the ones all about small government and, you know, no welfare and that sort of stuff. And he came really close, but ultimately came second in the race. The guy who ended up winning the libertarian vote,

I think I already got about 3% of the national vote, which you don't hear it because it's pretty much, their system is it's first past the post or whatever, right? It's been a while since in politics, but it's the... Basically, if you're... Unlike here, we've got preferences come into effect, they... If you basically throw on your vote away,

much like that Kang and... And Codos. Yeah, it's a two party. You're going to have to vote for one of us. What if I decide to vote for a third party? Throw your vote away. Good stuff. This has been Simpsons Heavy today.

More like Simpsons Heaven. So we ran for president. He also heads up MGT Capital, which is a company that invests in cybersecurity. So he sort of come full circle back into cybersecurity. He talks about that a lot. He's kind of an in-demand speaker now. He'll speak at big conferences and stuff. There's footage of him, you know, with tie on talking in front of...

How old is he now? He's in his... He was born in his 80s, 45, so... Oh, damn. $84. Stop doing public speaking. In 2007. I just don't want to see old people out and about.

Right. Just stay in your house. Okay. I got to tell you. He's mid-70s. Okay, mid-70s. That's what I said. That's what I meant.

45. That's 55 plus 19. Fug, got to be 90. 90, 100. 150? I think he's 412. I think he's the oldest man to ever live. Yeah.

I read someone, someone said he was. an octanagerian or whatever and I took that on. All right? I didn't pull out the calculator. He's negative 76. Well, he tell you, so if you use the Acvee virus thing, is he still getting any kickbacks from that? Is that completely separate him now?

He fully sold his stake out. That's what he got the $100 million for. Oh, right, okay. But they still use his name. Yeah, and I mean, he still uses his name as well, right? I mean, it's wild that they would still want to use his name. Yeah. But I guess that's kind of all they've got in a way. Yeah, branding and most people probably don't realize.

that he's accused of all this. I had no idea. No. I didn't know Maccfee was a person. No. Didn't know any of this. In 2017, News Limited published an article titled, Has notoriously paranoid software inventor and former fugitive John McAfee finally lost his mind?

Finally. That's a long headline. Yeah, they really are. They like to write the entire article in me. And this is, so this is just from a couple of years ago, I'll read the first part of this article that inspired the headline. As John McAfee's wife, Janice tells it, she was having sex with her husband in the early hours of September 4 in their Tennessee home.

Bragg. When McAfee's notoriously aggressive dogs started barking madly, I'm guessing there's a new dogs. Minutes later, the legendary... No, Matt, it's the dead dogs. Oh, my God. He did find those strange plants. It's nighttime here, Jess.

I went sleep. Spooky. Zombie dogs. That's cool. I'd love for them to live on those dogs. Of course. They always do. in our hearts.

So the dog started barking. Minutes later, the legendary 71-year-old anti-virus software inventor and former fugitive was firing bullets into the walls and ceiling of their bedroom. Okay. Are they still having sex? Yeah, we still talking about the sex? Is she on top of him and he's just firing a gun? I'd like to think so, yes.

That would be incredible. Don't stop. Problem solved. Let's get back to it, baby. McAvey thought he heard movement in the crawl space under our bedroom in the attic. Janice McAfee would later recall in a statement to the FBI. He then fired his gun into both areas. The commotion work US Army turned security guard Alex Handrick,

who lived below the couple in a basement apartment. So I'm picturing this house by itself. They're the only people around. There's someone living below them. Yeah. He's hearing a lot of stuff happening in that attic. What, Dave? Everything are right up there, John?

It also says that Janice is 34 at that stage, too. What's going on? Okay. Right, I did not imagine her as that young throughout this whole piece. But he does like them young. But she's above the legal age of consent. She could have a kid who's above the legal age of consent. She's a grandma compared to his previous.

your friends. So really, he's matured. So he's firing the guns. The commotion wakes up the US Army man below. A 20 old man, Mr. Handrick, grabbed his assault rifle and legged it upstairs to find McAvey, stark naked, but for an ammunition belt slung around his hips, pumping bullets into the living room ceiling. Was he wearing that or did he put the belt on? Sorry, one second. He had a knock at the door. Sorry, let me put me. my belt on. Because he's standing there.

I'm imagining him standing there with ammunition and also a raging boat. I was also thinking he's full erect. Yeah. And was he wearing the belt during sex or did he just go, give us a sec? Clip it on and just start firing. I think he's wearing it during sex. The army man, is that like any employee appears or does he just live there? I think he just, oh yeah, good question.

Is he a security guy? I assumed employee. Right, maybe it is. The other thing he's just a neighbor is like... But then why is he telling him? journalists about what he found. Oh yeah. It feels like more of an eyewitness account.

You see something like that and you've got to tell something. You got to tell. I saw my bus standing there. Starking erection and he was wearing a bullet belt. Sorry, I've said too much, I think. Oh, boss. Am I, was okay to say? Yeah, oh God.

Yeah, yeah, I was fully erect. Because I reckon. And tell him how big it was. The guy that you've just seen shooting at walls and ceilings, he's the guy you want to annoy, especially if you live below him. True. Yeah. Okay.

So what happened? that's it that's it he just thought he heard something yeah I guess he got a plaster in the next day and imagine that it was nothing yeah he was shooting at shadows basically

you got the plaster in the next day still wearing the bullet bullets around his wrist still raging boner oh so once I mean once you shoot that many bullets off

it takes well it takes well to go away speaking from experience they stop speaking from experience um I mean, there's nothing like it. Yeah. Firing a gun to a crawl space.

Wait, which gun are we talking about? Are we talking about your actual gun or your skin? Flesh gun. I was going to say skin rifle. That's good, too. No, I like that. Flesh gun, that's fun. Skin rifles.

Skin rifles. Is that my next show? Anyway, that's basically the end of my report. There's so, like, this is one of those ones where he just lives such a wildlife. Any of these things are hectic. He's done allegedly so many bad things. He does sound allegedly terrible. But I'm just Googling him and searching him and stuff.

You know how in Google news results will come up. He's in the news every day. Every, you know, I was reading about him over the last week or so. And every day there'd be news reports about him. I've just, I just Googled him a few days ago. And he's, here are the first. three headlines that came up. Three different stories about him all on the same day. First one was McAfee offers to build Cuba's first cryptocurrency. Okay. Have they asked for it? Yeah.

Second one, John McAfee announces the McAfee World Trade Competition for Crypto traders. It's too many. That's a confusing sentence. That headline sounds like it's been generated by like an auto generator. Third one was, I'll fucking bury you. McAvey vows to expose corrupt U.S. officials CIA agents if disappeared. Oh, if he was disappeared. I guess so. I've never heard of a word used like that. If disappeared. In brackets also, would you like me to make you a cryptocurrency?

Yeah, he's big in a crypto now. Wow. He would be. And then he's, and very finally, his Twitter is also maybe worth a look. Oh, so he's actually running it himself. I think so, yeah. Brilliant. And he posts videos and stuff of himself.

He's currently campaigning for. the 2020 presidential election as well. And there was a, he posted a video on his Twitter earlier this year, potentially from international waters. Oh, Dave. Oh, I'm so keen. Because he's on a boat and the caption is,

the McAfee 2020 campaign is, as of this day, in exile. I'm being charged with using cryptocurrencies in criminal acts against the US government. More videos coming shortly. Stay tuned. And have we had any more video since? There's a... Well, I haven't...

I didn't follow up with that. There were plenty of videos of him on a boat. He looks like... He just looks... So he's currently being charged with something. Why is he allowed to run for a political campaign? I imagine that he could not do it from exile. No.

But I mean, he also couldn't... He's just... You can't do it without backing from one of the major parties. It'd be like Trump becoming president. It just won't happen. Yeah. It's crazy. It's a bit of a joke.

Yeah, everyone's just like, lo, what? Shout out to all the Trump fans out there. Also, this is the one that one of the guys who suggested this is a topic put in their note. Fabian? I don't think it was Fabian, but it was one of those great men. And they pointed me in this direction. He had a tweet late last year saying, I'm just going to read it.

I can't explain it. I'll just read it. Whale fucking. No joke. Each year on Feb First in the Molokai Channel, a few men compete in the world's only whale fucking contest. Humpback whales are easy to fuck for a second or less. World record, 31 seconds.

I competed once. Also, almost got my ribs crushed. Stick with ostriches. What? I don't know. It's obviously a bit. I just, it's like,

it's a pretty wild bit. And then he, uh, tweeted again saying, enough of the whale fucking is non-consensual bullshit. A humpback whale weighs 70,000 pounds. It's 50 feet long. Can dive more than a quarter mile and can crush ships with a single swap of its tail.

If a human manages to fuck one, you damn, you damn well better believe. it's consensual. Oh my God. So yeah, he's running for president. Yeah, just go, if you can't handle fucking a humpback whale,

try an ostrich your pussy. You could possibly be the only one who could tweet more bizarrely than Donald Trump. Yeah. I mean, that's a whole other level for Trump. Yeah. They're easier to fuck for one second, or less.

Oh my God. World records. Were any of these? the things that you found funny? Did you come across a story involving him and a hammock? Oh, yes. Yes, that was his girlfriend's told that story. About cutting a hole in the hammock?

I just heard that anecdotally before. What did he do? So he's, you know, the harem of girlfriends in the Baleas. They were asked about, you know, their sexual activities. Apparently what he got him all to do was cut a hole in a hammock. and then he got him a lie on it and shit into his mouth. You can see why I remembered that fact about him. One of them, they asked one of them, they're like,

did he ever like have more classic type sex? And she's like, oh no, he wasn't into any of that. It probably is an oversight that I didn't put that into the report. The idea of just someone thinking about the logistics of it and they're thinking, a hammock, a hammock. A hammock. Yeah, perfect, because the perfect position to be into shit is lying down. Yeah, but like, gravity really helps you in that, though.

I don't know what I mean? I've been doing it all wrong. You've got to lie down. The man's a problem solver. Yeah. Yeah, because you never, I mean, that's why when people say they shut the bed. Yeah. People just don't say it.

It doesn't happen. No, you might wet the bed, sure. but shitting the bed. You're lying down. How'd you do that? Squatting on your bed? Why? You got a hammock on top of your bed?

With a hole cut in it? That is beautiful. So that was what I... Hey, to each their own, you know? That's fine. No judgment, but not for me. Actually, nah, a bit of judgment on that one. I mean, no judgment, but I reserve my right to laugh at your hammock-based sex acts,

because that is pretty wild. And I like, yeah, any kind of, you know, penetrative sex? No. Oh, God. Yucky. That made him feel ill. That's gross. I suggested it once and he didn't talk to me for a week.

I learned my lesson. I just went back to shitting in his mouth. Yeah, he was like, that's the stuff. I mean, you don't want to kiss that man. No. Not at all. Wow, Matt, that was illuminating. Also fantastic that they all separately said I was his favorite.

Yeah, that's the best. After shitting his mouth. Yeah, just like... I gave him the good stuff. Yeah, that, I'd block that out, to be honest. Yeah. I mean, for me, that's basically all I knew about him, that he was the virus guy and that he copped it in the mouth.

Well, he's, yeah, he's done any... Do they ever interview him about it? No, he doesn't talk about that. He doesn't like talking about Belize that much. Other than that they were all legal. Yeah. Oh, but yeah, do we mention that? He gets up to walkout at one point of an interview with that ABC interview.

He strikes me as a dramatic walkout type. I said no more bullies. You're not playing by the rules we sit down. And the voiceover is we didn't set any rules before. Is it Ron Howard doing it? Yes. There were no rules. There were no rules.

That's great. So that was a very. voted on by the Patreon supporters. And it was a landslide. Really? I put up four banging topics. Great.

Like FARAP, which I put up nearly every time I put a vote up now and it always comes last. No one wants to work. I try to reword it so it sounded more, you know, who killed Australia's most famous racehorse. It's what I titled at this time. Still came last.

That we see three years shit. I have the feeling that maybe he's much more famous in America if people are writing articles about him every day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course. A weird or cult figure that gets written about all the time over there. So maybe that's why it was a landslide because we do have a lot of American patrons.

That's true, yeah. But yeah, there was, all the things I put up did include death because we hadn't, I don't think we didn't done any death for a while. And then I do it and I remember why it's like, why do I put myself through this. Through this pain. Try to block out the, yeah, try and block out the fuck things and try and think of, oh, the whales. That's pretty funny. Also, people.

probably think that you've talked enough about horses lately. So, fall off on the back burner for a few moments. I didn't even put that into the cycle. Yeah, right. Give it some time. Yeah, it probably would have got some people to vote for it and others to go, let's just leave Matt and the horses for a bit. You've done enough damage to the equine community.

Yeah, all right. So that brings us to the end of the report, but that brings us everyone's favorite section of the show. Now we got this bit out of the way. Here we go. It is the fact quote or question section. And the way this works, Dave, I don't know if you're aware of this. You can support the show on Patreon, which is you might not have understood what I was talking about there.

Patreon is a site that you can sign up and support us on by giving us some sort of money. That's right. It's used to sport like mostly online creators, YouTubers, people with podcasts, artists, musicians, that kind of thing. And we come under the podcast category. And artists. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yes. And yeah, if you like what we do, because we put out a free show every single week and haven't missed one in closing in on four years now, you can go to Patreon.com slash do go on pod. And you give us enough money to keep the show happening, but also in exchange, you get rewards to say thanks for your support. That's right. And there are heaps of rewards. You can get two bonus episodes a month. That's a big one that people love that no one else can hear. You're part of a Facebook group if you'd like to be on Patreon where we talk about stuff with. other Patreon supporters.

You get to help vote for the topics. Anyone can suggest topics. You don't have to be a Patreon for that, but Patreon's vote on two of the three topics that we do. And yeah, it's not always a landslide like this. Often it is really close votes. Especially with the other vote, which I'm doing at the moment, and I'll be putting up a topic very, very soon.

And often it's won by literally one or two voters. So you actually have the power to change what we talk about. And also shoutouts, which we'll get to in a minute. But of course there's the fact quote or question, which what's that? And if you sign up on the Sydney-Shineberg, Rest in Peace, Deluxe edition, Memorial level. Rest in peace, of course. They're the people that actually will be voting on my topic. Right.

And they're the people that, because it's quite a small tier, there's not that many members. Yeah, you actually, make sure you vote because you change it. Yeah, big time. And Drew Paisner is one such, uh, Sydney-Shineberg level. supporters and with the fact quote a question that he's given us you also get to give us a title that you go by and Drew's given himself the title of the last lick of Los Angeles and the keeper of the lost law oh that's beautiful L-O-W or L-A-W the law L-O-R-E yeah the lost law I think he's the guy who came up with two and a half men

men men men men men men Chuck Laurie. Oh, Chuck Laurie. Damn. Close. Fact, I probably mentioned this every time he comes up, but it still blows my mind. He comes up so often. Chuck Laurie.

I don't know. Fact, I've been playing that today. I'll sing every word. Did he even write the bits? That's a fact, Jack. Yeah, I love that stuff. The heroes in a half shell and they're green. I love the lyrics like that.

The heroes in their half shell. We need another. We need to bump this line out of it. And they're green. He's a radical rat. Great line. Yeah, Splinter taught them to be ninja teens. He's a radical rat.

Raphael is cool but rude. Michelangelo is a party dude. Party. Anyway, Chuck, the two and a half man, big bang guy, co-wrote that theme song. And Drew Parsons has given us the longest fat quota question ever. I think he might even be the one that means we have to put in a rule of some sort of word limit. Oh, God.

He's called it, it's basically a mini report. Is this a fact quota question? That's right. And it's a... But what is it? It's a fact. A James Bond fact. He said, sorry, he says, a Bond fact.

A James Bond fact. Oh, very good. And I don't read these until the night, but I'll be interested to find out if he's found, I mean, I did a pretty extensive James Bond report a couple of years ago. Good stuff. This is a good supplement report potentially. He writes.

How many word counts are we looking at here? What's the word count? It's very long. Oh my goodness. I don't know if we have time for all that. All right. Without being rude, it seriously is like it looks like...

It is actually like I'm looking at a report. Well, let me get stuck into it and you can start the clock. Okay, how long do you want? I don't know. What do you get three minutes on this? I'd talk very fast. I don't know if that's true. Well...

I'm going to give you 90 seconds. No. Three minutes. When Ian Fleming began considering bringing Bond to the big screen in 1958, he got together with his friends. either Bryce and Ernest Coonio. Incredible names. And a screenwriter, Bryce New, named Kevin McClory.

And they began to write a James Bond screenplay, later called Longitude 78 West. Though Fleming and MacLory got on well initially, McClory's poorly received movie, which was released during the writing process of the Bond screenplay, turned Fleming sour on McClory and had Fleming doubting his abilities. As Fleming became less intrigued by the project, he began spending less time working on it. And as a result, McClory brought on a second. second screenwriter Jack Whittingham. To help finish the script, the film now with a completed

script was to be produced under the Zanadu Productions banner, formed by Fleming, McClory, Bryce and Cunio. But due to budgetary issues, the production was forced to fold. Though Longitude 78 West was never made into a film, Fleming reused the story in a later James Bond novel, Thunderball, which was released in 1961. I think I did cover a lot of this in the episode, but this is going into greater detail. McClory and Whittingham both received an advance, copy of Thunderball and were immediately Thunderball, the great Tom Jones theme. Thunderball. One of my favorite, absolute favorites.

And then a remade, I believe, as Never Say Never Again. Well, that's not skip ahead. And we're immediately angered to find out that their collaborative story was being sold as the sole product of Fleming's imagination. And for that reason, the two took Fleming to court later that same year. Though the case was settled in Fleming's favour, the book was allowed to be published. The door was left open for McClure to visit the case. And he did just that in 1963.

One minute left. The case which lasted three weeks and did not see Fleming attend due to a heart attack. He incurred at the same time, ended with an out-of-court settlement by Fleming at the suggestion of Bryce. MacLory got the literary and film rights to the screenplay, while Fleming kept the rights to the novel under the condition that future prints would have to acknowledge that the story was based on the screen treatment of Kevin McClory, Jack Whittingham and the author. Because of the nuanced nature of the deal, when Thunderball was eventually adapted for the civil, Silver Screen with Sean Connery playing The Legendary Spy,

McClory received sole producer credit for the film under the Eon Productions banner, while regular series producers Albert R. Broccoli and Harry Saltzman received executive producer credits. Further complicating the matter, part of Eon's deal with McClory, allowed him to produce his own version of the screenplay as long as he did not release within 10 years of Eon produced variant. In accordance with this deal, McClory didn't work on.

All right, thanks, Matt. I'm going to have to cut you off there and stop you, but thank you for that fact. Let me just say, that's a fact. It is a fact. I got about halfway through it. But I think basically it ends up being, there's another version called Never Say Never Again, which McClory got to make. And it's sort of like an outside of the canon movie, basically the same story.

And it's also Sean Connery. Also Sean Connery, which, and I think the name is a nod to him because he said he'd never. ever play Bond again. And he's why I've apparently said, I guess you'll say, I guess you'll never say never again. Right. And yeah,

he got him on and he sort of played it was a different kind of bond. A lot of people love it. It's sort of got mixed reviews, but because he was sort of playing an older bond. How have you now talked for another minute? I was trying to sum up the, what I think the rest of it will be.

But we'll never know. Never know. Well, maybe I'll, maybe I'll post that mini report somewhere. Yeah, great. That's a good idea. So people can read it. Yes, I'll put it on Facebook so people can read the rest of it.

Thank you so much, Drew Paisner. Thanks, Drew. Thank you. Thanks for putting in that much ever. I'm so sorry, Dave rudely cut us off. I feel like that was you and me there together. Sorry, sorry, everyone. I'm sorry to Drew.

But we may have to put a limit on it next time. I'm so sorry. Maybe like, what, five sentences or something? What do you reckon? Look, I don't want to become some sort of a word efficiency type. I'm happy to add that to my portfolio here at the Gron Productions. That's your new, if you get to give yourself a title, it's word efficiency tyrant. Yeah.

Yeah, that makes sense. Damn right. Words fear me. Well, that brings us to our other favourite Patreon segment of the show where we get to thank a few of our great supporters. Let me just check how long their names are. And if they're too long, we will not be able to thank them. We run out of time. There's no more tape in this machine.

You do have to pop off tonight. Right, Dave. So I guess we should keep it efficient. but I think we should give each of these six people the time they deserve. All right, Dave. Please. So if they had to have someone shit in their mouths, what? This is why we let Jess come up with the games that we play for the names.

I was thinking we either name their first company or their first three jobs. So he did like so many different things. What about, okay, I love that. Just to make it a little bit quicker, for example. Sure. What if we say what they're doing now, what we think they're doing now, and if they had an absolute midlife crisis, what would they do? Okay.

Because you know how he gave up his text up because became a yogi? Now to then. Okay. So what are you saying? You're saying this is a job now, but their midlife crisis, they do this. What would their U-turn B? Yeah. What's their plan B?

Okay, great. Well, can I kick it off by thanking from Chesterfield in Mo, Minnesota? Missouri. Missouri. I think it is for some reason. I'll be dead in the cold, cold ground. Before I recognize Missouri. So, Missouri.

Missouri is somewhere near the Ozarks. It is Missouri because it's always like, why isn't it, Montana? Anyway, go ahead. And I'd love to thank from Chesfield, Missouri, Benjamin Ogear, or Ogear. Ogear. Currently. I think it's Ogear. Ogear.

It's a great name. Because of the World Rally Champion. Sebastian Ogear. Oh, that's a great name. Well done. And Benjamin currently works as a... Baker? Baker.

Gets up very, very early. He doesn't want to do that anymore. What would he rather do? Rather work in after school care. Great. Get to sleep in now. Afternoon ships. His midlife crisis, he goes into education.

That's nice. Okay. He just thinks, you know what? I'm sick of baking. Yeah. I want to pass on this knowledge. Baker's have to get up early too. Yep.

Now you get to sleep in. Notariously bad counters though. So hopefully he's not teaching maths in after school care. I'm telling you, it's 13. Benjamin Ogiere in Missouri. I want to go to Missouri. I want to visit some of those Ozark lakes. See if I can make some sort of deals with it.

I've seen the show Ozark and I've seen everything like that. It seems like a cool place. Cool. I'd also like to think, if I may, from Vancouver in Canada. Oh, Canada. Connor dieball. Connor. That sounds like all one word, isn't it?

Connor Dieball. Cona diabol? Conno diabol. Conno diabol. My cousin-in-law is named Ricky Dieball, and his nickname is Dry Ball's. Very, very good. That's good stuff. Very good stuff.

That is. I didn't come up. I can't claim it. No. But I get to enjoy it. Dry balls. I think Connor is currently working as a postie or a male man. They may call them over there.

Yep. What his sea change be? Pilot. That is a genuine sea change. That is. From the land to the skies. Yep. Still delivering mail.

Yeah, he's a male pilot. I'll keep watching the skis. I mean, Guys. It's funny because I was actually going to say flight attendant first. And then I changed to pilot. Are you two in sync? Always.

It's beautiful. Thank you. Thank you, Connor. Can I thank some people too? Yeah, that'd be so good. I'd like to thank from Bellwood, Pa. Pennsylvania.

That's right. Not far from... The Golden Mile. The Golden Mile. The Man with two... Pittsburgh to Gary. Yeah. We can't want to drive that golden mile.

Two first names. I'd like to thank. John Luke. Oh, Johnny Luke. A couple of biblical names there. Yeah. A couple of Gospelian names. And what kind of job do you think John Luke has?

A bookshop. Runs it? Yeah. Works in it. Bones it. All entrepreneur. He's a Hugh Grant in Notting Hill type. Foppish.

He's foppish. He's more Hugh Grant than Bernard back then. Yes. So we like him. He's nice. Well, he seems okay. He's an American. Can we give him in a reference he understands?

Oh, okay. What, you don't know Notting Hill? Educate yourself on some Richard Curtis. The man is a, he's a master. He's a, he's a famous book owner in America. Is there any? The librarians. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter because John isn't, he doesn't own a bookstore for very long. Oh, right. He goes on to do something else, doesn't he? Garbage man. Garbage man. Get out amongst it. That's what they call rubbish collector. in America.

So well done for speaking his language. Yeah. I said, do you speak my language? John Luke. This one. He just smiled and put a vegetableite sandwich in the bin because that's what his job was. Thank you very much, John.

It was a mouldy, Vigermuda, so thank you, John Luke. I like that as a tree change as well. Not a tree change, but a life changes. So up in the morning, you're done. Yeah. You've got all afternoon and to the evening. Not all afternoon. They obviously work in the afternoon,

but I don't think they work. At night time. The grind, like the bloody people in the ratway, raise up in the financial quarter. Yeah, I don't know. Like those clowns in Canberra, they're never working. Yeah, I don't know.

Thank you to John. Well, for John's benefit, I have Googled movies set in a library. I thought that might be easier. Right. These are the top five on IMDB. The fantastic flying books of Mr. Morris Lesmore. Okay, I need real ones, please.

Number two, the librarian quest for the spear. Number three, the librarian return to King Solomon's minds. And number four, the librarian three, the curse of the Jewish. Judas Chalice. Okay. Okay. So that didn't really help.

No. So America's got to be bigger. John, if I put them, there's also the mummy at number seven. Okay, great. What about Giles from the Buffy?

Oh, yes. Franchise. The Buffy franchise. Thank you. Well, from the Buffy. It was quite a way past saying it

when my brain was like, you muck someone up there. I've got an exciting name here next. Oh, police. Like you think, from Tawumbus. in Queensland here in Australia.

I would like to thank Jonathan Lithgow. No. You don't think. It must be. Not Mr Henderson himself. It has to be. Oh my God. Dick.

I'm such a big... From the Third Rock himself. I'm a big Lith fan. He's amazing. We have talked about a spin-off show, obviously, phrasing the bar, but we've also, Jess, often pod talked about a Lithgow show called Do Lithgo on? Yeah. Oh, my, I was about to make that punch.

so I'm so happy you're there. That is fantastic stuff. So obviously... I've never heard that you say that. So I don't know. Did I say that to you? Maybe I said it to someone else. Who else are you talking to?

People on primates. What? I don't know if I'd prefer that or the phrasing the bar. They're both. I think I probably would enjoy the John Lithgow one more, but we are so committed to... Fair enough, fair enough. It's only 50 movies. We can do it.

We're too different. I think Brent and Fraser is also a delight. Too delightful American actors. Well, the mummy I just mentioned in one of my own, all type of films. I've already done two Lithgow films for primates, including Harry and the Hednessons. Well, speaking of, so obviously. And one other that I'm playing in. Obviously, Jonathan Lithgow is currently a world-renowned actor.

Yes. But. Did you know this about him? Also writes children songs. Really? And he's performed with an orchestra to perform singing as children's song. Are we saying that's his second career then? Yeah, sure.

Cool. All right. So Jonathan Lithgow. Toowoomba was an actor, but now sings to children. Jeez, that must be boring for him to get that. No, let's assume. Yeah, I bet he was like, oh, that other person got Garbage Man. I got world-renowned actor.

I want a garbage man. All right, well, John Lithgow, if you are a different Jonathan Lithgow, I'm going to go out on the limb here and say that you were a house painter. Oh, okay. But now, you are... Portrait Bainer. Yes. Oh.

Big? Yeah, he swapped his big brush or his little brush. That's right. From house paints to pastels. Yeah, he works in pastels. Yeah. And he does a great job. He does.

I've seen some of his work. On screen, he paints with his performance as a masterpiece. Oh, he paints with a fine brush on screen. Dave, would you also like to thank some people? I would like to thank. Thank you so much. I would like to thank from Mount Airy in MD. Is that Maryland?

Do we get that or what? MD, Dugie Hauser. Let's look that up. Live on here. Mount Airy. MD! It is Maryland. Oh, great to have you on board.

We don't have many people from that fantastic area of the world. So I'd like to think from Mount Airy, Maryland, Taylor Michael. Taylor. Taylor, Michael. I just remember that sounds like a 90s celebrity to me. Yeah. Taylor, Dane, George Michael. Jonathan Taylor Thomas.

Yeah. They were all doing it back then. Ticking all the boxes. Tim the Toolman, Taylor. Oh, Taylor Michael. Hello? I reckon Taylor Michael was a plumber. Yeah.

Throw it all in and now Taylor Michael is, go. A life guidance coordinator. Yes, a careers counsellor? Life coach? It's a bit of both, actually. Yeah, I reckon spanning the genres. Yeah. So overlooks a team of life guiders.

Oh, project management. Oh, I love that, yeah. A small team or? A small team. I love that. Just a backer's dozen. Taylor Michael, thank you so much. Taylor Michael, from Maryland.

Great to have you on board. I love your state flag. Well done. What are we looking at? All right. Guys got a couple of puzzle pieces in the bottom, left and top right, and then some checkers in the top left and bottom. Right.

Yeah, it's about as attractive as it sounds. We wish you well. Thanks, Taylor, Michael. All right, finally, I really liked it. Bringing all back home now to Brunswick West in Victoria, I would like to thank. Lucy Browning. Oh, Lucy.

Thank you, Lucy Browning. Lucy Brown, I'm a fantastic name. Love your support, your local support. So I think that Lucy used to, Jess, what did she used to do? Used to, oh my God. Deliver crumpets. Oh, wow, okay. She worked for a crumpet making company.

That is a genuine job that one of my best friends. And I panicked and I thought... Delivery driver. She makes crumpets. Is your friend's name Lucy? No. This Lucy could very well be my friend if she and I would just open up to one another. Yeah.

Well, she's got to deliver crumbets to your heart. So that's what she used to do, but she's starting it all in. See change. She's done with life change. Matt. Midlife crisis. What's you doing? Lifeguard.

Yes. Yeah. I like it. I'm always winning. You won't get me out of your son. That's beautiful. I'll be there. That's beautiful.

That's beautiful. Oh, fantastic. Thank you to Lucy there. Thanks, Lucy. Thanks to everyone who supports us on Patreon. Oh, thank you so much. It means a lot to us. It means the world to us.

It really does. I love each and every one of you. And your names are always the best. You know, such good names. Just another fantastic bunch of names. Yeah, good on them. Baker's half dozen there. Oh, thank you so much.

No, sorry, mathematicians half dozen there. I've never heard of that before, but I like it. That's a good joke. Should we end there on that good joke? Yeah, end on a good joke, I reckon. Let's end on the middle. That's a radio rule, is end on the laugh. Nice one.

And then discuss it. Yeah, in the next talk break. Text in him when you've laughed. 0439-757-3-5. That's not my phone number. That's a triple J-phone number. Yeah, right. Which in case somebody was like, that stupid idiot just gave away a phone number.

Well. So I guess we should say once again, if people are looking to come see us live, we're going to be in Brisbane, Perth, and Sydney coming up. Yeah, please come along. We book it in and then we just hope that the people that say they're going to come will come. Yeah, the people who have campaigned for us to come. Yeah, we're like, can you come? Okay, yeah, great, we'll come and then hopefully you'll turn up.

I don't actually want to come. I just want the option. I was joking. Ew, yuck, no. And it's always nice when people about tickets early too because then we go, oh, great. We don't have to cancel it. Yeah, we don't have to cancel this.

We actually get to go. Yay. So check it out do go onpod.com for all links to our live shows. Also, the merchandise that just mentioned, those T-shirts are now on sale. You can hit us up on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter at Do Go On Pod. and there's links also on the website.

Also, YouTube channel. There's a few live videos going up. Yes. And that's real cool. Yeah, they're really cool. You put Matt on the spot there and he panicked. Let's not forget the mathematicians half dozen. Yeah.

Good stuff, Matt. Thank you. You can tap out now. You've done your job. But yeah, get in contact. Do go on pot at gmo.com is also another way to hang out and suggest a topic. You can do that through the website as well. Anyone can do that.

And yeah, you tell us why we should do it, and then we'll shout out to you when we inevitably get through them all. Love that. Love that. I'm ready for bed. I'm so glad this is my house. I know. Well, we're all getting into Matt's bed tonight.

Yeah. We better wrap this up. Get into our jammies. Until next week, I will say good night. Later. Bye. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates.

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