Do Go On - 198 - The Unabomber

Episode Date: August 7, 2019

In 1978, a mysterious package was found in the car park of an Illinois University, the events that followed kicked off a reign of terror that confounded the FBI for nearly two decades. So who is the Unabomber? And can they be brought to justice? As the FBI's own website asks: "How do you catch a twisted genius who aspires to be the perfect, anonymous killer - who builds untraceable bombs and delivers them to random targets, who leaves false clues to throw off authorities?" Listen to find out...Buy tickets to our upcoming live shows here: https://dogoonpod.com/events/Vote for Dave to be Australia's Pie Guy, (you do have to be in Australia or use a VPN)https://gourmetpieguy.brumbys.com.au/profile/dave-warneke/See Matt and Jess live:https://mattstewartcomedy.com/gigshttps://www.jessperkins.com.au/showsOur website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPodSubmit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-TopicNEW MERCH SHOP: https://dogoon.bigcartel.com/Matt's Merch: https://mattstewartcomedy.com/shop Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.biography.com/news/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-todayhttps://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/unabomberhttps://www.history.com/news/unabomber-letter-bombs-investigation-arresthttps://www.history.com/topics/crime/unabomber-ted-kaczynskihttps://www.wired.co.uk/article/unabomber-netflix-tv-series-ted-kaczynski (ongoing legacy)

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I never stopped caring. It was meant to be six, is that being six months? Yeah, give me a take four or five months. And, come with me, you dog me. What, me. I'm number one. Yeah number one. You were me. We started this podcast Yeah, you're the head like that and then we brought her in that's right, but him yeah You're the headline act we get to you Okay, yes, I get it you're the MC just a support. Oh now I have a name Okay, she's the support It thank you over there that the MC just to support. Oh, now I have a name. Okay.

She's the support. It. Thank you. It's over there. That. That thing. Just refer to me as, Yuck.

Hey, it's great to be here in the podcast studio, but we are taking our show on the road around Australia for the next couple of months, including a very special show at the zoo in Brisbane this Sunday afternoon. We'll be there, August 11th. We'll be there. I'm so excited. Got a few tickets left. Yes, and it's gonna be our 200th episode.

Extravaganza. That's right. So it's two shows for the price of one. We're gonna do a podcast first up, have a little break and then do our patented, good time, interactive quiz show. My cancerous is enough though. There are not that many tickets left. So if you wanna come along,

you should absolutely jump on those. And it's already by far gonna be our biggest show in Brisbane. Oh, sure. Which is very nice. So cool. So you appreciate that people have bought tickets. We're also coming to Sydney next month, Saturday, September 21st,

big Saturday night show at our favourite venue up there, the Giant Dwarf Theatre, another double show, and then Perth. First ever time you were on our radar, Sunday November 3rd, at the Comedy Lounge. It's gonna be awesome. I think Perth's gonna start months in advance. Yeah, I think it will actually, which is so nice.

That's cool. Knowing months in advance is gonna be sold out show. Please let that happen. That feels good. Because that would be really nice. No, I like finding out on the day. I like going, how are we going to get it to yourself? And I go, no, you sold out. I go, oh, that's nice. I like that. All right. I won't let you. So you can, yeah, you can find out, but don't tell me. But I check the tickets every five minutes. So that'd be great. But I wonder if it sold out. Put me on my misery. No need. And if tickets for all of these shows, we'd love to see you guys live in a person

and have a chat to us after the show at dogoonpod.com. That's right. A little link there to take you to all the tickets there. Snap them out. But also while we're in Brisbane, Matt and I are sticking around. Dave's pissing off back to Melbourne like a idiot. Oh, no, work.

I'm going to go back to where it's really cold. Yeah, I'm coming back for the weather guys. Yeah, but Matt and I thought, hey, let's hang around, do some comedy. And that's a way of getting to be doing a switch show called Razzle Dazzle at Hayabah on the 12th, 13th and 15th, is that right Matt? That's right, and it's actually the world premiere of this show. Yeah. So, pretty big deal.

That is cute. Prisman is prisman. Yeah show. So it's a pretty big deal. That is cute. Prisban is Prisban. Yeah. So he's come along. We're so close to Hollywood on the Gold Coast. This is where Razzle Dazzle lives. Day trip on our day off. Oh yeah.

Oh, theme park. Oh, maybe a super pass. Oh, you can go to three in one day. It's not going to go to any. I'd go to dream world though. And that's not in the super past. No, but it's got its own super past with white water worlds. Oh yeah, okay.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You don't need to know about our day plans. Yeah, Dave, you won't be there anyway. You don't care. It doesn't matter. Yeah, but you'll be tagging me in the photo. It's just something you feel left out.

I've been partying here in the beautiful cold weather. So who's the real winner? You'll enjoy your own white water world, which is Melbourne in winter. Yes. So I've dined to head. No, good on you and good on Melbourne. Yeah, come to Resardazzle. All right.

Can you go on Tigazair, Dave? Please, don't cut me off. So I can add a staggit, I'm actually at comedy.com slash gig. Excuse me, it can also be found at Jessperkins.com.au slash show. Oh yeah, just got a new website, you should go look at it. You me, it can also be found at Jessperkins.com.au slash show. Oh yeah, just got a new website, you should go look at it. You should, it looks nice, I think. She made it herself.

Wow. That has got... Yeah, good. You'll think it's professional. Oh, and one other plug, very quickly, just set up a real sick online merch store for the people on us. The first time we're selling physical merch, which we send out from here and our headquarters to you in your home.

Home quarters. Your home quarters. Your home quarters. Yeah. You're living quarters. That's right, we've got our t-shirts up for sale. Couple of different designs, few different colors, which is very, very nice.

That's right. And Jess has been working very hard to post those out her selves, write a little letter, a little note to everyone who advises shirts. So, yeah, I'm cute as shit. We're gonna get more stuff going. If you have suggestions, write a little letter, a little note to everyone who advised the shirt, so... Yeah, I'm cute as shit. We're gonna get more stuff going if you have suggestions. We're thinking magnets, maybe beeholders, maybe...

Tote bags, hats, maybe capes, maybe fedoras. Oh! No, that was a joke, Jess. Oh yeah, I know. Ha ha ha. We will not be doing fedoras. Yeah, no, that's silly. No, we're doing my runnically. Y'all, yeah. Hi, not be doing fedoras. Yeah, no, that's silly. No, we're doing my runnacle. Y'all, yeah.

My runnacle fedoras. That's cool. Anyway, how does this show work with you? Oh, the way this show often works is, and stop me if you've heard this one before. We take it in turns to a report on a topic suggested. I knew you would do that. I suggested by A, I shouldn't have said that.

Why would you say it? Why would you give me that option? Well, just in case someone out there hasn't heard this one before, suggested by A. I shouldn't have 10 points. Why would you say it? Why would you give me that option? Well, just in case someone out there hasn't heard this one before, suggested by a listener, often is the way, and it's Matt's, Matt's shoe at comedy's turn to report on a topic that Jess and I, we didn't know what you're gonna talk about. I never know what you're gonna say. You are of the three of us, you're the most unpredictable.

And I don't think he often has what he's gonna say. Sometimes he says something and I'm like, where did that go wrong? I'm a loose unit. You are, Dave's a very tight unit. He's tight what he's gonna say. Sometimes he says something and I'm like, where did that go wrong? I'm a loose unit. You are! Dave's a very tight unit. He's tight, I'm gonna say tight. Tiny two. You're trying to get in that show if you can't.

And I've got a loose, the goose. Yeah. And I'm somewhere in between. I'm just regular. Regular. Regular. What do you call the back? We're like the three, the goalie locks and the three bays.

Caboose is what I meant. Not Burgouse. Anyway, it took me too long to figure that out. What a riddle. And that's not over the question. The question is, which American bombers' reign of terror began with a university bombing in 1978? Oh!

There's only one bomber that I know of. Oh, yes. James heard? Yeah, I was gonna make... 78 Oh Oh Yes James heard yeah, I was gonna make a spin on that But yours is better because you named an actual player Configure one could not think of an Essendon bomber Just you know this one. I think so, but I never want to say it because I say it because remember someone you know bomber Yes, correct I think so, but I never want to say it because I'm... Say it, can you remember someone? Unabomber! Dammit! Dammit! Correct!

Yeah! But I wonder why if I was really wrong, you know? I can't handle that. Yeah, we're all like unabomber, what are you talking about? You're like, that's a chain of sushi restaurants. What's wrong with you? I'm like, you... That's offensive.

Yeah, exactly. What if I said something offensive? I am an idiot. So this topic, and you're not an idiot, Jess, you have a beautiful mind. I'm good at maths but only in secret. Who does secret maths? Uh, Gini-I do. Thank you. It's a plural of genius. Oh Gini-I. Do you do know much about it? I know nothing.

That's great. I didn't either. I could not have told you it started in university. Absolutely not. But it makes sense. Yeah. You need bomber. You know?

Yes. And I will talk about how it got its moniker at some point. Oh no, I've said too much. Moniker Gella. The key suspect. This was suggested by Graham Eul, Javon Santos. Holy moly. I just cut and paced that without reading it.

Javon Santos. Do you miss pronouncing Gavin? It's a soft G. Nicola from Ballarat, Scott from Michigan, both of those didn't give surname, so I said where they're from. Maybe they were trying to avoid being identified. Whoops. Ronan Williams, Adam Wheeler, and Yusuf, okay me, who we met in Scotland.

That's right. And who suggested many, many great topics. That's a lot of people suggesting it too. Yes, well that's how I went through because I put this up to the vote on patreon at patreon.com.sl to go and pod. And I picked out three topics that had been suggested at least half a thousand times. The uni bomber just put its head out right at the end. Wow. Okay, so I'm going to tell the story. I was trying to figure out how to tell

the story. I'm going to tell it as you know the public would have found out about it. Yeah, cool. Okay, potentially a stupid question. Okay. Is it uni bomber or uni bomber? It's uni bomber but I'll explain that. Oh okay sorry yes cool cool because it just said it makes sense university and I'm like oh I and you just said uni and I thought maybe I'm an idiot and I've missed I read it but I think I always thought it was uni bomber but it is uni bomber. Right. I'm hearing the same thing. You guys are you're taking a guess. You're hearing the word bomber. If that sounds so similar, bomber.

Both of you to me, you know the teacher in peanuts, it's just like, you can Charlie Brown is like, oh, yes, yes, that's both of you. Gotcha. I mean, wow, wow. That's the dog of the teacher yeah yeah that's why it's mega max Rex Rex wow Bob so on May the 25th 1978 a package was found in a parking lot of the University of Illinois in Chicago it was a pretty no windy city. Ah, yes, second city, windy city. Correct.

Chicago. Yeah. Chicago. Yeah. So that's, I think you're on two points. Yes, well done. It was a pretty normal looking brown paper wrapped package on the front and had 10 commemorative Eugene O'Neal stamps. It was a playwright. Oh, one of the best players. So it was the last century. Well, there you go. Why have I never heard of him? Long days journey into night. One of the best plays I've ever read. God, you're in pain. Well, I think you want to pull it across three times. I still don't know if it's clear if that was important or not,

but it was mentioned in a few places. So I'd be interested in seeing as you know a bit about, I'd love to hear if you think it was a purposeful thing or if they're just the stamps that they had on hand. On the back, a return address of Buckley Christ at the nearby Northwestern University in Everston, Illinois. The package obviously was picked up, was found, and it was returned to Chris, because they're like, well, it's obviously Chris's sentence. I don't know what's here. We'll get it back to him.

I was just randomly in the parking lot. Yeah. But Chris, a professor of engineering at the college, had never seen the package before. He found it suspicious, so he turned it over to the college police. And in a 2016 podcast interview with local newspaper, The Daily North Western, he said his suspicion was that it was drugs. So to preserve any evidence, he opened the packages wrapping carefully, which revealed a wooden box

that had a little door on it and the little door as he kept saying in the podcast had OPEN, handwritten on it. He kept spelling out open some reasons. I just didn't know what I meant. I didn't know what I meant. I don't know what it sounds like, OPEN. He's a college professor.

Yeah, no, I don't know why he was just being... Open. Open. The two words? Open. Open. This is a joke. Oh, oop.

It sounds like was he disappointed it wasn't drugs? Yeah, I'm going to very carefully. It's what, it sounds like was he disappointed it wasn't drugs. Yeah, I'm going to very careful. It's like I can't get a birthday present. Oh my God, I'm going to keep the paper. Please be good drugs. But as he explained it, seeing the box with open written on it made him feel even more suspicious saying, I had a chemistry background and I'd work with hazardous materials and they were sometimes shipped in similar kinds of boxes but never with a stupid little door and hand pencil OP and

I didn't know what I meant. I looked up on the periodic table. There's no element called OP yet and I said said I'm done He handed it a question to you guys would you have opened it? No? The door I probably would know what I know now Yeah, probably not but probably then I would be I'm curious you wouldn't think yeah now definitely not 17 I had a more naive time. Yeah, it's a different time. Yeah, but bombs existed. I want to say that. I had a more naïve time. Yeah. It's a different time. Yeah, but bombs existed.

Oh, yeah. And violence. Yeah. But apparently the word open, different. Yeah, that notoriously, Dave, was a word invented in 1980. Well, of course, it's the buzz word of the 80s. Yeah, Matt, do you remember when open was invented? It changed everything.

It changed doors, that's true. I remember first being able to go into the library. We'd been wondering for eight years, what's in there? What's a book? Was it just a word, just a word close and it after was it just said not? Yeah, not close. Not close. Okay.

I mean, that could be anything. Anyhow. So he handed it into the college police, assuming they would then hand it onto the real police as he phrased it. Bridal, come on. Bridal says college police. Come on, mate. I'm sorry.

They're just like ticket inspectors, like they think they're the real deal. Yeah. I was like, fuck off, taking in the magna. I figured like, if that was the case, then why not just call the real police. Yeah. Why involve a middleman or woman? Mm. Well, it's a unisex knowledge. I think it's a man though.

The unisex bomber? The college police person, officer Terry Marker. With a wire and eye. A wire. That's a man. That's man Terry. Officer Terry Marker arrived. And he was keen open the package himself wire and I. A wire. That's a man. Okay. That's man Terry. Officer Terry Marker arrived.

And he was keen to open the package himself for some reason. Chris still thought of it. It was just appointed that the fun bit of un-roughing the packaging was done. Oh, come on. I'll be having it over the door. All right. But he came and said, OPAN, that means open. That's a word I've just come up with. I'm not going to release it to the public till 1980.

So he was kind of open it up. Chris still thought it was drugs, but he warned market to open the door away from his face just in case. And Lucky did because the box exploded as he opened it, injuring Mark has left hand. The small five. The best hand, some would argue.

That's true. My self included. I'd argue it's the second best hand. Yeah, that's great top five for sure. Wow. Pretty good. The small five, the explosion created was stomped out and the shrapnel was collected up and put in the bin.

It was seen as being a weird occurrence, but as it was the first of the bomb, so I'm thought of it being a part of anything bigger. The first of, there's going to be more bombs. Oh, you are good. Thank you. Thank you. I'm also pretty. And now...

There's only going to be one, at least one more door to it. As opposed to the Uno bomber, because... Just a solo. Oh, that is good stuff. So yeah, it wasn't... The Do-Air bomber. Oh, that is good stuff. So yeah, it wasn't the do a bomb. Yes, the changes name every time we sit off a new bomb. He's like, one mile to 23. Bama, fuck no, honestly. There's a mouth. Yeah, so it wasn't really talked about on campus all that much. It didn't seem on that podcast I listened to was hosted by two of the journals

to that paper currently. And they're like, we went back through the archives and we couldn't find any real mention of it at the time. So just, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point,

to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, to the point, but not I think recoverable. Yeah, right. But just the fact that there was a bomb and they just went,

huh, it's weird. Best just throw it out. And I chuck it in the bin. That's crazy. Yeah, it does seem weird. You should let someone know, I reckon. And like a pretty brutal bomb too, that it asks you to open it.

I mean, there must have been a police report and those sort of things, right? So. But no media coverage. Yeah, interesting. Nearly a year went by without further incident. Until May 9, 1979, when John Harris, a graduate student at Northwestern University, which is the same university as Buckley-Christ, found a cigar box left at the university's technological institute. It was unmarked, it was just a box

sitting there, right? Harris opened a box and it instantly exploded. Luckily, Harris only suffered minor cuts and burns. Authorities recognized some fundamental similarities between this bomb and the one from a year prior, noting it's similar construction, although its design was more sophisticated. So I'm not sure if this was realised at the time or in hindsight. A lot of this stuff, because as the whole case grows, obviously more people are interested in it. And at this stage, it's still a small time.

But the first one was like, it had that return address to Chris. So obviously it was intended for him. Well, you would think it would be intended for him unless somebody opened it in the parking lot. But this one is just left lying around. Yeah. So it's just random. Yes. Again, though, left out of university. Yes. Yeah. At the same university. Weird. So that's bomb two, bomb three. A few months later. The Trebama.

Oh. Good things coming through. So I reckon this is gonna be something nice. Do you reckon that applies to this podcast? Yeah. Oh, I think so. Every third part is good. Yeah.

Plastic was really fun. So this one sucks. Every third one's good. Does that mean it's always you just? No, I was going more for you, but thank you, I'll take that. Thank you. Matt, obviously sucks. This is going to be...

That's my down here. That's my down here. That's my down here. That's my down here. That's my down here. That's my down here. That's my down here. That's my down here. That's my down here.

That's my down here. That's my down here. That's my down here. Matt, you're doing great, so I'm wearing headphones. I can hear every word you say. This is so interesting. I'll be hearing this again as I edit it. Yeah, you will. Hi, Matt. You too doing great. I'm wearing headphones. I can hear every word you say. This is so interesting. I'll be hearing this again as I edit it Yeah, you will. Hi, Matt.

Give me a kiss Dave Bad news comes in twos in this case. Good news comes in three. So I can just be an explosion of love. Yes, and a love explosion also known as a cum Sorry, I'm not actually, that's funny. A few months later on November the 15th, 1979, on an American Airlines flight 444 from Chicago to Washington, DC, a bomb in a mailbag in the cargo hold failed to explode as apparently intended, but instead caught fire.

The flight had an emergency landing, and 12 people were treated for smoke inhalation. On a plane? Yeah. Geez. Was it a university plane? No, it was not. Interesting.

Are there any universities that have their own plane? I bet you, those dogs at Yale. Harvard could use. No, Yale could use an international airport. That Burns, he scores is so bad that Mr. Burns to get him in would have to donate an international airport. Yale could use an international airport, Mr. Burns. Larry Burns. So put it back in, Shane Dunne.

That's good stuff. I think this might be the one where there was, in the bomb, there was a mechanism that meant that it would go off when it reached a certain altitude. So that's really fantastic. So that would be coming more and more advanced each time. Really sophisticated. And the design of the boxes is getting better. So someone's talking about working class.

Well, the start of being in different shapes. Yeah, they're kind of engraved. Yeah. It's really beautiful. I could only need a box as a start. Now I do spheres. Perfect spheres. Bomb four.

Oh, I don't know if I need to keep counting. But I know. On June the 10th, 1980, United Airlines president Percy A. Wood received a package in the mail to his lake forest Illinois home. The package came with a note asking Wood to read the book inside the package saying, you will find it of great social significance. Opening the book, it explodes. The book. So there was a book inside.

He hollowed out the book. Put a bomb in it. He Women couldn't buy bombers So how I got the book Dave. How do you feel about that as a book lover? Well, I mean actually do love when people hollow out books and Hide stuff in them. I think that's really cool like a gun. Yeah gun book But what happened to Percy? I'm just gonna hide another book in there. The explosion gave wood cuts and bruises I think so there must be, I don't, I don't, obviously it's still terrifying,

but not the biggest exposions if they're not blowing people's fingers or whatever. Yeah, I mean, maybe a blew up his love of reading. You know, imagine that being a plate open a board. Yeah, you'd make your kids open it for you just to check. Just to check. You know, kind of like how they used to, like the royals used to make somebody test their food.

Yeah. Stevie, can you come in here? Yeah, yes, Daddy? Open this up, away from me. Corn it at your face. Oh, good boy. Give Daddy the book. The initials.

Can't wait to have kids. Yeah. The initials FC were later found etched in a part of the part bomb. And like the first bomb, this one also had Eugene O'Neill stamps making authorities wonder if it was a deliberate choice. Something noteworthy about O'Neill is apparently is that the playwright was an ardent supporter of anarchists. Oh, there you go. I think it's, I still don't know if that is important or not.

Just in general. Yeah. Just like, I love anarchists. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. Okay. Love them. Love what they're up to.

I love a bit of anarchy and I love people who started. Oh yeah, big time, big time. Not entirely sure, I know what an anarchist is, but I'm confused. Continue. In 1979 or 1980, different sources, different things. It can't just quickly say, the media now starting to put mall together and say

there is a bummer doing this. Well, that's, yeah, that's what I'm sort of about to talk about now. I'm just a fuck up day. Not the media though, the FBI, in either in9 or 80, noted the similarities between these initial four bombs, and opened an investigation into them as one case

which they dubbed, Unibom. The UN for universities, the A for airlines, and the bomb for bomb. Oh, that's where Unibom comes from. I definitely thought it was a Unibommer. Right. But Unibommer. I thought it where Unibom comes from. I definitely thought it was a Unibomar, but Unibomar. I thought it was Unibomar too, and I think I did always think it just meant somehow it was one bombing. Like I said, Uno Bomb before, but I thought it was Unibomar.

I thought it was something about one bomb or something, but I just knew nothing about it apart from the word. The task force also included members of the ATF, which is the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, which I think we talked about a bit the Waco Siege episode. Yeah, that's right. And the US Postal Inspection Service, who were the bad boys. Yeah, look at the front line. They walk in and they're like, the glasses. Yeah.

There's a plot similar to that in Brooklyn 9.9 at one stage. I have to go to get the front line. You can see it. They walk in and they're like, the glasses. There's a plot similar to that in Brooklyn 9.9 at one stage. I have to go to the postal investigation people. And it's, it's, I was thinking that Ed Helms. Ed Helms. Yep. He's just like being like the total bad boy of a post.

They're just like, okay. I love that. It's great. They were, apparently the US Postal Inspection Service were the first two to investigate the initial bombings, because they were particularly... Post-related. And they were like, hmm, you do not know. Interesting choice.

A classic. Bomb 5. To this point, all of the bombs had been linked to Illinois, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, But the bomb squad was called in and the device was diffused without an injury. Oh, something that probably should have been done from the first bomb. So he obviously realized this is a bomb. Yeah, the maintenance work is the first one who's realized. Don't open it. Don't open this.

This is sus. So I'm not sure if that was it was just a more obviously sus thing, but the FBI's unibom squad conducted exhaustive forensic examinations of the bomb components from all previous incidents trying to recover clues to who the bomb might be, but they came up with very little. Whoever the culprit was, they took great care as to not leave anything they could identify them. No fingerprints or DNA.

And they made their explosives from commonly found materials like matchheads, wood, nails and fishing wire. I think it was in the early days, maybe with the postal service investigators, they dubbed him the junkyard bomber. Because all the bombs are just put together with bits and pieces. Right. And are they similar bombs, do you think? Partly, like being inventive with things. I think they're different, but apparently undeniably all made by the same people.

Right. Like apparently the experts see them and they go, it's clear that these are all connected. Oh yeah, that's Picasso. I know it. Yeah, you know he's worked. The attacks continued. I'm going to stop numbering him now.

Ah, six. OK, you see if you can keep up. Or I can, I can. The attacks continued. On May the 5th, 1982, a package was delivered to Patrick Fisher, head of the computer science department at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee. It didn't make it to him though, as it exploded in the hands of his secretary, Janet Smith, who cops shrapnel wounds to her body and burns to her hands.

Oh, no. Yeah, I mean, that's the sending bombs around. There's no guarantee it's going to get to the person you're addressing to. Yeah, it's the victimless crime. to get to the person you're addressing to. It's the victim most crime. But also as a secretary, I imagine a large part of your job or at least certainly a part of it would be handling mail. Yeah.

Now she can't do her job. On July 2, 1982, it's going to be bomb. Seven. I mean, this is four years. I like it. That he gives me a very obvious look as if like there's another one here just. So I too, not an attitude at the University of California, engineering professor, I don't know how to pronounce this name.

I'm going to say D.O. Janis and Jellikos also suffered severe burns and shrapnel wounds after picking up what he believed to be a turpentine can that he found left in the common room in the computer science building during construction work. There was construction going on, he's like, oh, this shouldn't be here, I'll move it to where it should be. Whoa. Bang. Whoa. So, like a turpentine can. Yes. And these ones also, I don't really talk about that in the report, but obviously these ones have to be hand-delivered. No one's mailing a turpentine. Yeah, so where's the CCTV?

Yeah, I mean these are things that you wouldn't just wouldn't be able to do anymore. I'm guessing there's just no CCTV back then. Who knows, it was so long ago, records have been lost. Yeah, God, imagine if you were alive back then. I can't. I don't think people were. It's no surely. These are cavemen we're talking about. On May 15th 1985, again at the University of California, grad student John Hosser picked up what he thought was a file box for another student's computer

cards. But it was actually bomb number eight. Yes. Really? So he's gone silent for three years there. Yeah, so there are breaks. There are sort of jumps in and out a little bit. Each time you'd be hoping, or she, hoping they'd died or something. Yeah. You've all gone to jail or whatever. Yeah, you'd be wondering what's happened and stopped. But also then people would kind of forget about it and not be worried about things.

Like when last year people were putting needles and strawberries. And for about three months I was like, I couldn't put a strawberry in my mouth in Australia here. I'd have to chop it up because I'd freak it out otherwise. And the other day I was just eating one and popped into my mind and I was like, oh! Yeah, you just forget about it. So you just go back to normal life. Those years people forget so they're not as on high alert,

and then it's easier to attack them. Yeah, and I mean, it's a huge country. Yeah. I get. I get. I get. So Funtime style is crashed. Yeah, you like daily, you never before has,

it happened with a turpentine can, so you wouldn't use wooden. Of course you wouldn't. I mean, I'd even think of that. I'd even live like that if you're looking at every object like, oh, is that, is that the bombers planned to make people scared of everything?

Dad, every time I look at you, I go, now that's the bomb. Oh, yeah. I just, every now and then, I'll just like to build him up a little bit. Yeah, I need that. I need that. We really shuddle over him a lot.

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Now is the time, mycomputercareer.edu. So John Hauser picked up what he thought was a fall box for another student's computer cards, and it had been sitting there for days. So he picked it up thinking, oh, figure out who the owner is, so I can return it to them, opened it, detonating the bomb.

Wow. And quite injured, you said. Yes. The victim of the previous bombing from three years prior, the same university professor, Diojeniz Angelicos, heard the explosion

and rushed to offer assistance. No way. Unfortunately heard the explosion and rushed to offer assistance. No way. Unfortunately, the explosion meant House of Lost much of the use of his right arm and abandoned and many had to abandon his dreams of becoming a pilot or astronaut. What? Again, the bomb had the initials F.C. etched into it. That seems like the worst injury so far. Yeah, I think they are becoming more serious. I think and

Jellik Koss's one was pretty heartbreaking as well. He was the one who was caring for his sick wife and she ended up dying soon after. Oh no. And he ended up still in a sling at a funeral. So he was the one caring for a bit of meant that, you know, that his last time with her was affected by his injury. So just as awful. Yes. So yes, sort of apologize for running through this like a list, but there are quite a few, and I'd sort of wanted to mention them all. Yeah. But it could go into any of these

as a much longer story, obviously. Of course. June 13th, 1985, the Boeing company in Washington found a bomb, but it had it diffused without injury. That's number nine. Again, this one had FC etched into it. Look at that stuff. FC.

Which I'll stop mentioning, because they all have FC men. Frederick Cumberbatch. Oh, that's not a good name. It's not a Frederick Cumberbatch. Am I close? Yep, that's the end of the show. Hey! We got it.

I win. Yeah. This is interesting. Yeah, the ones, the two that have been diffused, they were just, they were found and obviously looks sus enough. And I mean, airplane companies and universities would be on high alert as well, especially, I mean, they're in the name, you know. I wonder why university got two letters and airplanes only got the one. Could have been Unay. Yeah, Unay, Unay, Unay, Bomber. Then airplanes get three. University, airplane, Bomber.

There it is. There it is. That's catchy. That's the magic. I reckon they definitely had a meeting about this. Yeah. November 15th, 1985. So, 85 was a big year.

One, two, this is the third one from 85. November 15th, not 85, the suspicious package is delivered to University of Michigan Psychology Professor James V. McConnell at his home. Apparently he's sort of like a wealthy, slightly, what do you call it when wealthy people are a bit different? Accentric.

Accentric, slightly eccentric, wealthy fellow. Yeah, if you're poor and eccentric, you're deranged. You're a weeder. Yeah, but wealthy and a bit odd. Accentric. That's my dream. Accentric billionaire for me, thanks. I'll accept a multi-millionaire for me.

Really? I don't know if you get eccentric for just multi-millionaire. Oh, God. I think it's going to be multi-multi. Drinking? Yeah. So I'm multi-. Oh god. It's got to be multi multi. Dracking. Yeah. So multi that it's billion. Yeah. So the this package comes with a letter, which includes the line, I'd like you to read this book. Everyone in your position should read this book.

McConnell asks his research assistant Nicholas. Soono to open it. Oh my god. He does my trick. Which he does and when it explodes, you know, suffers burns and shrapnel wounds. Oh my God. So why would you say open this book for me? I don't, I'm not sure. I guess it was his assistant. Maybe the assistant read the letter out and said,

everyone says you should read this book, open it. Oh, what is it, whatever, you know? Or maybe, I don't know if you said open this one thing or you said, do you mind opening my mail? I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah Probably something enough for him that I don't think I don't think the insinuation. It's him gun that looks us I get my research assistant to open it Um as the attacks continue the bombs continue to become more advanced and damaging so all these exposures that they're getting more Bigger words more bigger is not what I meant.

I changed between more and bigger. They're getting larger wounds. So I'm looking at me like that. I can talk. You're doing the report. I'm looking at you because I'm listening. Anyway, they got more advanced and more damaging. More bigger wounds.

More badder. Yeah, more bigger wounds. But till this this point no one had lost their life. But all good things. Till this point. No, don't say it. Well, good things come to an end. Oh my god. As Dave says, which I still can't get mad at. But anyway, I mean, it softens the blow. I'm ready now. On December 11th, 1985, computer... And it's a bomb number 11. Wow. Oh, I'm drinking thousand pervus. Maybe.

On December 11th, 1985, computer store on a HUC Scrutin, notices a piece of wood in the parking lot behind his shop. Having seen it as a road hazard, he goes to move it, but unfortunately, there was another unabomber bomb. A piece of wood. The explosion kills Scratten almost instantly. What? So there's a big, obviously, yeah.

Just, but it just looks like a piece of wood. Yes. So all of them, all of them either come in wood boxes. Some of them look like woods, the cigar box. Yeah. But they know, I mean, they know it's a unibomber, but it, wow, okay. I'm just thinking, I get my stuff really blown up. It's been a big explosion, maybe not much of it left.

Yeah, they still know that it's the same. Yeah, I guess they're still shrapnel. They're pick and shrapnel out of the body and They're finding FC written on a part of it not that I don't know if that's publicly known so At this stage, but apparently you just it's unmistakable. These are all by the same A little over a year later on February 20th, 1987 the same scenario plays out, again, almost exactly. And another computer store car park, this time in Salt Lake City, the only Gary Wright goes to move what he believes to be a road hazard, another chunk of wood. But again, it's a bomb. This time Wright escapes with his life, though he does suffer severe nerve damage to his

arm. This bombing led to the first major break in the case, as a witness reported seeing a man in the car park moments before the explosion. Based on her description, the now famous sketch of the suspected uniboma was drawn up. A moustacheoed man wearing aviator sunglasses and a hooded jumper. Oh, he sounds like he works for the postal service.

Aviators. He's a bad boy. He's a bad boy. Do you reckon then he's been, he's been like, that's the sketch boy. He's a bad boy. Do you reckon then he's been like, that's the sketch. Does that ring a bell to you? This is, when I saw it, I'm like, I've seen that before.

It's got really weird teeth. Does he got a tattoo on his head? He's bearing his teeth in that. Am I looking at it wrong? What do I mean? No, that's his bottom lip. He looks like DB, he looks like DB Cooper got a drug habit. Yeah.

No, DB Cooper started dealing drugs. So it, okay, so there's moments before. So does that mean he's like watching them go off as well? I potentially. Mate, I mean, you can't always, if like, at the university they're in someone's office. Yeah, he said one day that computer card thing, what's there for?

Yeah, that's the solution. But in this case, he certainly would have been aware of it, surely. Yeah, I mean, you would have been in the neighborhood, so it would have at least heard it. Yeah. It would seem that being cited spoke to Unibomac. So it seems like that sketch of that person was him,

or at least someone that involved, because after that sketch went public the bombing stopped At least for the time being yeah At this point this has only been 12 and that's like I'm okay with that number but Wait at that point you aim me for 20 No 15 15's okay. Yeah, I don't know you know you got a problem with the dozen there No, no, I don't mind 12, but I know there's more

So now he's got to go to at least 15 to 20 for me. That'd be good 15 or 20 if it's like 17. I'm gonna be pretty pissed off You know you're playing God here every extra one is another bomb. I know and I don't want that to be the case at all That's why I wanted to stop now in fact actually I would have honestly and I'm putting this out there I would have loved this to have never happened. I think I would have loved to have stopped at 10. Well yeah sure if it had to happen. Well no one would have died then. Yeah you're going to save some lives. Yeah thanks a lot Jess. Now because you went for 12 you got greedy. I did not go for 12. I did not go for 12. He went for 12. Anyway Matt do go on.

At this point the FBI have no great leads beyond the sketch but they do have what they believe to be an absolute link between the right bombing and the rest of the unibombs serial bombings. And according to federal bomb expert Ron Walters, the bombs across the previous nine years display a high level of similarity. Police now have profiled their bomber as a disgruntled, academation. I mean, I probably said academic. Yeah, and I mean, you wrote this.

No, this is a quote. This is what the police, he's some sort of Akad Demation. I got really smart dogs. I reckon like really smart. Like you can build a barn with a fishing wire. Have you ever seen a dog that smart? Whoa.

Three dogs broke into my parents' backyard over the weekend. What? The next one, I guess? I guess, were they a gang? Then gang of dogs from next door to you. Were they weren't bandanas? There's two Border Collies. They weren't the Big Boys.

I'm obsessed with Border Collies. Oh, then they're so clever too. What was the third one? A Husky. Oh, wow. And so the Big Border Collie and the Husky get into the backyard and they've just run around playing in my parents' backyard.

And then there was like a younger Border Collie and it was like, well, I don't know, I'm a bit shy. And it was too scared to get in. But then the others were like, nah, come on. So then it broke in and my dad went out there and they were like, a friend. I was like, they weren't like run away. They were like, hey, let's play.

So now I know their names and I went visit my parents today and I stood on their back porch and I could see the dogs and I went, Molly and the both dogs looked at me and then they came over and I got to say hi to them! It was the best day of our... Wow. Anyway, I just thought of lighting up this bombing episode with a cute anecdote about some border collies. What about acadelmations?

Matt, how much did you enjoy that story? That was great, three dogs. Three dogs! Hey, now, zip it around the back yard. Good things coming, three dogs. Oh, man, what a day. One of them of them's called Molly do you know which one I think that the bigger border collie not the little puppy like I'd be don't know the other dogs now I don't but let's call them both Greg yeah Greg Greg and

Molly yeah Greg one Greg to you know which one's great you know what you did. Anyway, Matt, do go on. So they've profiled the bomber as a disgruntled, uh, what did you call it? Academic. Academic. Accadelation for computer worker. Well, why are they doing the airlines then? Yeah, but are they only assuming that because a couple of universities and a couple of computerships?

I guys like, yeah, we've run the data. Two universities, two computer shops, six weeks guys, we've run the data. Two universities, two computer shops. Six weeks later, we've got our guy, some sort of academician. This computer's never wrong, trust me. It's a dumbass, it's really an accapel. Yeah, he's got the dumbass, you're gonna talk kid. You're gonna talk.

Tells them to put the sketch in the bin. That's not him, no spots. No way. He's obsessed. According to the FBI website, the Unibom Task Force grew to include more than 150 full-time investigators, analysts and others. This is how elusive the Uniboma was proving to be.

From history.com, I quote, as FBI criminal profiler James R. Fitzgerald told NPR in 2017, lab tests suggested that the uniboma had torn the skins off the batteries used and fashioned homemade adhesive by melting down deer hooves. And of course, no fingerprints, no DNA, nothing like that, if it's shield added. Melting down deer hooves. Right. Just so it's fully untraceable. Classic dimensions.

They are resourceful. That's weird. That's too much effort, honestly. But I'm a lazy person. Right. I kind of want to move house because there's some mold in mine. That's weird, that's too much effort, honestly. But I'm a lazy person. I kind of want to move house, because there's some mold in mine. I'm like, no, I'm out.

No, that's not lazy. I'm not cleaning it up, I'm gonna leave. That's not some molding, you got toad cells on your windowsill. Yeah, it's disgusting. But leaving takes a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. Just move to house, it's terrific.

Ugh, not mad. Kill me. You get a fungal expert in? Yeah. That'll fix everything. They seem like they'll be fun to chat to. Oh, yeah. People are passionate about fungal.

We're a fun guy. Oh no. Matt, can you edit in some sort of like, da da sound effect? Da da da da da da da da da da. Jizz! She did it. I did it myself.

She did it. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. A fun guy? Hi, I mean it myself. She did it. A fun go. Hi. Yes, that is good. I'll let it out that bit in between. Despite the bomber proving too good at keeping the identity hidden, the FBI were confident. He's a little too good.

The FBI were confident that the Unibomac had been raised in Chicago and later lived in the salt lake city and San Francisco areas They weren't sure of their occupation however with theories ranging from aircraft mechanic to scientist And their gender wasn't clear though. They believed the bomber was most likely male They were also investigating several female suspects Women can be bombers too Six years had passed since the Salt Lake City computer store bombing and the sketch came out. So six years and no bombs. No bombs. And do they still have these full-time people trying to crack it all the time?

I think I don't think they ever shrugged it down. Yeah. Wow. Nearly six years, or six years passed, wait, hang on, was it six years? Let me just double check that. Say something interesting. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh,

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Went on June the 23rd, 1993. Dr. Charles Epstein, a geneticist at the University of California, received a package at his home in Taburan. Dave, we were alive by this time. I know. Something with suspects. Where were you? I don't remember. How'd you? Because Americans listen, they'll be annoyed by how I said that. Taburan. Taburan. That's definitely not it. At his home at Taburan California. His tie-baron. Tiberon. That's definitely not it. So at his home at Tiberon, California. His? Tiberon? Tiberon. Tiberon.

That sounds like an 80s futuristic company. Let's just talk to each other. Let's just talk to each other. Hear it. Tiberon. We like to incorporate things. We're from a different country and you'd get one more wrong. We speak different languages. It's fine.

Okay. Yeah. No, I don't think people would actually be knowing. It is, but- No, but don't let us know. Yeah, some might maybe. It's like it's trying to get annoyed when Americans say melbourne. We've talked about this before. I love it. I'm getting over it, like my hatred of it.

I used to be pissed off about it, but now because of this, I'm like, oh, that's fair. Because of Tiberon. Of course you'd say melbourne, because of how it's spelt. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. And it sounds silly when you say melbourne. Yeah, I think it's, I love when Americans say it like melbourne because of how it's spelt. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And it sounds silly when you say melbourne. Yeah, I think it's, I love when Americans say melbourne. Melbourne, Australia. Yeah, that's where we live.

And thank you for coming. You know, I'm over it now. I've grown as a person. You have grown. You're in your late 20s now. So light, so so light. The clock is ticking. It's our birthday month, Dave.

Yes, we're in it. Woo! You'll be in it to win it. God, remember when we were nearly part of the 27 club? Yeah. Oh, anyway. And what way? Why that we were. 27 in our life.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. But at any day it could have changed. We had 12 good months. And then we turned 28 and we went, woo, can't die now. Can't, yeah, no. You make it this far. You're immortal.

That's my understanding. Do not shout at that for me. Well, I've lived for centuries since. So Dr. Charles Epstein, a geneticist at the University of California, received a package at his home in Tyburon, California. His daughter Joanna brought it inside before Epstein opened it to find the dreaded wooden box. I mean, a lot of times passed. Yeah, over six years.

Yeah, I'm thinking like, I don't, I've never received a wooden box. But if I was in America at this point, I'd be going wooden box. But obviously, just while I don't even think at that point it was even fully in the, you know, the public's consciousness or whatever. The resulting explosion, he opened it, the resulting explosion badly, badly damaged Epstein's right hand. It also broke his arm and caused multiple abdominal injuries. Broke his arm.

Yes. So the force is getting stronger. a domino injuries. Broke his arm. Yes, so the forces getting stronger. And abdominal issues. Yeah, Epstein was well known for his research working at Down syndrome. So it was quite a famous sort of scientist. According to a 2011 article in the New York Times, I've called it articles, this is a bitry. I think I was trying to avoid it being saddened and need to be. But I mean, he lived to these late 70s. In his obituary, in the New York Times, it said, after extensive surgery and rehabilitation, Dr. Epstein was able to resume not only his scientific career, but also playing the

cello. And he had pursued passionately since boyhood. So that was kind of, it was like, I love when people cop something, fucks it is not at all their fault. Yeah. And just fight on it. I feel like I'm kind of person who feels sad for myself for ages. Now you've had a cold for two weeks. I know. And it's the lowest I've ever seen. I haven't seen you play the cello in over a fortnight. I'm actually, I'm pretty sure he lost fingers and he re-learned. He re-learned to play the cello in over a fortnight. I'm actually, I'm pretty sure he lost fingers and he really went out to play the cello.

Yeah, I know what you mean, because I also think I'd be the type to go, well, that's it for me. But also, who knows, yeah. That's true. But anyway, I just, there was someone about him and I'm like, what a legend. There's someone like, that's a feel-good movie. Him overcoming and finishes within plan the cello.

I'm just glad that he... I feel good moving, I'm just with a man opening a box. That has a bomb. Well, I was just worried when you said he's daughter brought it... brought the mailing, I was like... You say 12 monkeys? What's the one with the box and the head in it? Seven.

Seven. Yeah, I feel good class. Why am I confused with most of the time? Oh, God, I feel good. One more compared to most of you. Oh, God, that was a great rump. I was worried when you said he's daughter brought in. I was like, no, don't open it. But I'm glad that it didn't, it wasn't fatal right then. Yes.

Only two days after the Epstein bomb, the Unibomus struck again. For the 14th time. This next passage is from a 2007 article on Yale Daily News. Yale could use an international apple. Early in the morning of June 24th, 1993, Yale Computer Science Professor David Galerntor settled in his fifth floor office

in Arthur K. Watson Hall at the base of Science Hill. Having just returned from vacation in Washington DC, Glentner found a stack of mail including a package, a PhD dissertation he assumed sitting on his chair. Ripping open the package, smoke belowed out, and then a flash. Glentner headed to the nearby bathroom to wash his eye before discovering a more pressing concern. He was bleeding profusely. Rather than wait for help to arrive, he hobbled down five flights of stairs. This is a quote from him. In pain and royally annoyed,

he headed across to the University Health Services. I love royally annoyed. Is that really a quote from him? Yeah. He referred to himself as, Hey, Boop, Boop, Boop, Royalty and Oil, he moved across the room. Oh, the quote was in pain.

Yeah. So in a set a little bit like, he was referring to himself as, Hey, Yeah. Yeah. Um, so he had it off to University Health Services. Um,

had he waited for help to arrive to him in his office. He likely would have bled to death, doctors told him. My first thought was along the lines of bombs must be going off all over campus this morning, Glutton wrote, it didn't occur to me that I could possibly have been singled out as a target. I was not in a murder prone line of work. I had no personal enemies. I had no personal enemies.

I had a prune. I had no personal enemies on account not of being lovable but of being obscure. When he arrived at the clinic, Glutner had a blood pressure reading of zero. FBI, which ocean was bad? FBI agents. It's pretty bad, I think. Yeah. Later found one of his shoes in his office where Shrapnel slust through metal filing cabinets What so says our lucky he was They also found his blood bloodied shirt strewn on the staircase the bomb had severely Wounded his abdomen chest face and hand and even today. This is you know 10 years ago Even today glurtner does not have the use of his right hand.

The lasting pain is the primary negative consequence of the unibomor attack. But the attack also provided Glurtner a new appreciation for the kindness of his colleague, students and family, saying, that crime like this is hideous, but it also illuminates in a rather moving way, the capacity for sympathy and support

that exists in the community at large. He really appreciates it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He was another one who, one of his fears, it was a scientist, but he also loved painting and one of his fears he wouldn't be able to do that, but he taught himself to paint with the opposite hand and how he, he reckoned he paints with it just as well as he did. Well, this guy's on hand. Incredible. So obviously he was in such shock that he just didn't feel the pain of. Yeah, he just, it just to hear me thought it was powder going in his eyes, but it was obviously just a flash and it just happened so quickly that. Wow, he didn't notice until he saw his

own body bleeding. Yeah, but it was just heaps of wounds cut him right up. So, ugh. So yeah, like I say, the bombs are getting increasing. And that was ever stating. Only two days after the last one. Yeah. After a six-year break, crazy. Insane. An LA Times article covering the 2.93, 93 bombings

makes it clear that while the FBI could see links between these newer tax and the 80s ones, the idea of the Unibomber was not really in the public's consciousness at this point. This is quoting from the LA Times article. FBI director William S. Sessions speaking in San Francisco said the agency would go back and look at all bombings of a similar nature, including the series of male bombs dubbed Unibom, apparently a shorthand for University bombings. That's the journalist's going apparently, you know I haven't heard of it right apparently that's shorthand for University

But which isn't even quite right and they spell it uni bomb with it. I right okay Right, so there's only like front page in the US then yeah, it's been six years It's any maybe any worries about it have gone away and yeah, I just thought it would have been like front page He's back. Yeah, yeah, that's right just thought it would have been like front page, he's back. Yeah, yeah, that's right. But it doesn't seem like it is that. God, that's odd. Hmm.

On the same day as the Yale bombing, the New York Times received a letter from someone claiming to be from an anarchist group called F.C. or Freedom Club. Oh. The letter was mailed from Sacramento, just prior to the Yale and Epstein bombs. Just before they went off. The letter also includes a code that

they promise you is in any future communication from the group to prove it's genuine. On December the 10th 1994, advertising executive Thomas Mosser was in the kitchen of his family home in North Culledwell, New Jersey. Luckily his wife and children were in another part of the house when he opened a package addressed to him. According to The Washington Post, they were preparing to go by a Christmas tree when the explosion occurred, which instantly and brutally killed Mossler. Fuck!

His wife rushed in to find the grim scene of futile trying to stem the bleeding with a baby's blanket. Oh my god That's the most yeah Oh, that's in his kitchen. Yeah Far out and what was his occupation turret? He was an advertising executive right? So I mean, that's not really careers. Yeah, yeah, it's completely different So I mean, that's not really a career. Yeah, yeah, it's completely different. Moss was 50 and it's been a career at Burson, Masterlar, a New York Public Relations firm.

He was a guy who was just symbolized, who just symbolized integrity, a very square shooter. A guy who, to my knowledge, had no known enemies, said Harold Burson, co-founder of the firm. So I think that's 15. Four months later, the Uniboma struck again. And this is from allitzinteresting.com. Maybe that's the last one was 15. So this one's 16, yes, that's right. So this is from an article on allitzinteresting.com, which I think we've grown up quite, I mean, David, at least, we're going to quite enjoy their articles.

Great website, we want to peruse for interesting stuff. Yeah, just quite in depth on all sorts of things. Well, all that's interesting, I suppose. We only talk about interesting things here. On April 24th 1995, Gilbert Murray, Executive Director of the California Forestry Association received a package. It was about the size and shape of a shoebox and wrapped in brown paper. It was oddly heavy, stranger still, it was addressed to his predecessor. The previous executive, William Denison, had been a vocal lobbyist for the logging industry

for a decade and led the change against environmental groups in what had been called the Timber Wars. Whereas Denison was contentious, the 47 year old Murray was by all accounts mild-mannered and well-liked. A little after 2pm Murray opened the box. A massive explosion ripped through the one story brick office building Shattering windows and blowing doors off their hinges. Oh shit. So that's took a step up, didn't it? Murray was killed instantly the third fatal victim of the unibomber the most wanted individual in the United States whoever they were whoa Also, don't open other people's mail. Not a dress to you. Okay, so I was just moving out of my house

and I found a letter that had been sent from Nando's to a house that I used to live in that I kept because it made me laugh. It was addressed to someone else and it was, but it was from Nando's and I was like who writes Nando's? So, illegally I did open someone else's mail and they hadn't lived there for years

and it said, congratulations on your redeployment To Nando's Well, they've been called out of retirement Yeah, like to active duty. Yeah, it wasn't my you redeployment and it referred to their career as a Nandoca Oh on the front line. Yeah. Oh my god. I kept that because it made me love Okay, so someone still sitting there waiting for the call. I waited for the call up, but they stopped living it. On the obviously road many years ago.

That's great. You should have just wandered in. What? Took the post. All right, it's me. Aaron Peterson reporting for you. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That is. Slipping the manager, the 17 year old manager. That's going to come straight out of my pay. Oh, it's just dropping in the deep fry. Let's get it out of there. Oh. So that wake, that Murray was killed with that probably the biggest explosion so far.

Incredible. The doors off hinges. Yeah, that's pretty intense. Wow. Considering it was like the first few were kind of like a bang and they'd go, ow. Yeah, you go, ooh. That was scary, but this is like a party popper has become like a weapon. That's destroying a building.

Yeah. And a life more importantly, the associated press reported that week that a senior federal law enforcement official in Washington DC said today that bomb experts have confirmed the fatal bomb was indeed sent by the Unibom. His devices are very, very clearly his devices said the official who requested anonymity, which I think you can understand why people wouldn't want to be publicly talking, you know, put in their name to the media about this. Or their address. The article goes on to say that the Unibomma is thought to be an

anti-social white male in his early 40s, showing that the FBI were narrowing in on a profile and that the public was now, now knew the culprit by the Unibomac moniker as the papers of Sano used that term. Thank goodness. Yeah, it feels like there was a lot going on, obviously, in America back then, but it feels like if bombs were periodically going off in Australia, it feels like it would be front page every day. That's all we talk about.

Yeah. The bombs would become more deadly with three of the last six proving fatal for those who opened the packages. On the same day that Murray was killed, the New York Times received another letter from the terrorist group FC. According to the Associated Press article, in a boastful taunting and demanding letter to the Times, the unabomber claims he belongs to a group that advocates breaking down society into small, autonomous units. And he offers to stop the bombings if major print media agreed to publish a 37,000 word article espousing his group's views. If the answer is unsatisfactory, we will start building our next bomb, the letter warns.

We. It also warns that they will be able to pack deadly bombs into even smaller, lighter, and more harmless looking packages. Clearly, he continues, we are in a position to do a great deal of damage, and it doesn't appear that the FBI is going to catch us anytime soon. The FBI is a joke. Sort of taunting the feds a bit there. He says his group's immediate goal is the destruction of the worldwide industrial system. Through our bombings, we hope to promote social instability in industrial society, propagate

anti-industrial ideas, and give encouragement to those who hate in industrial society, propagate anti-industrial ideas, and give encouragement to those who hate the industrial system. So this letter gave the greatest insight yet into the Bombers' motivations. It's almost like he literally wanted to blow the world back to the 1700s before the industrial revolution. His motivation is he hates technology, and that starts to make sense. Some of these targets, computer stores, planes,

scientists. We advertising. Yes. Yeah, there are a few that don't quite match. Yeah, turpentine. Yeah, you're big turpentine. Take a map. The letter also discusses many of the previous bombs, noting that he was disappointed in the limited damage of the bombs in the late 70s and early 80s saying, our early bombs were too ineffectual

to attract much public attention or give encouragement to those who hate the system. He also offers an explanation for why there were long gaps between some of the attacks, writing that he took. A couple of years off to do some experimenting. We learned how to make pipe bombs that were powerful enough, and we used these in a couple of successful bombings as well as in some unsuccessful ones. The letter also mentions the failed plane bomb from 1979 saying, the idea was to kill a lot of business people who we assumed would constitute the majority

of passengers. But of course some passengers would likely have been innocent people, maybe kids or some working stiff going to see a sick grandmother were glad now that the attempt failed. Oh that's odd. Yeah. He expressed regret that the Vanderbilt University bomb blew up in the hands of the secretary, rather than the intended target. But the letter includes no remorse

over the more recent bombings, writing, when we were young and comparatively reckless, we were much more careless in selecting targets than we are now. So he's got no regrets about the advertising exact or the timber man. This is from the Associated Press again. The letter also discussed the December killing of advertising executive Thomas Mosser in New Jersey. Claiming his public relations firm, Berson Masterler, had represented Exxon in the Exxon Valdez oil spill disaster.

While the time said that the claim was incorrect, the letter level brought our accusations against person Masterlar. Claiming Mossad was targeted because his company was responsible for manipulating people's attitudes. Oh wow. So it just sort of like, it seems like a real scattergun. Yeah. Um, on the university attacks, the letter stated, some news reports have made the misleading

statement that we have been attacking universities or scholars. We would not want anyone to think that we have any desire to hurt professors who study archaeology, history, literature or harmless stuff like that. The people we are out to get are the scientists and the engineers. Well, he really hates technology then. Yeah. God, that's strange.

That's really weird. I'd be going after maths. You're the ball of maths, spectre of the stain age. Ha, get rid of it. Well, I'm in it. Long division. What? It's the second time I mentioned maths, it. Well, I'm a mom division. What? It's the second time I mentioned math, say.

I know. It's on my brain. You got math on the brain? We got math on the brain. Interesting. Investigators by this stage had also noted the bombers' fixation with wood, as well as discussing all the bombs inside wood.

I love wood. P.O. I love wood. I've got wood for wood. I love wood. P.O. I love wood. I've got wood for wood. As well as discussing all the bombs inside wood. They also noted a few direct and incidental things linking the his victims to wood. For instance, Murray worked for the timber industry. That's a pretty direct one. He was in a prologue organization. But then Mossa lived on Aspen Drive, I think Aspen's a type of wood. Associated press goes on to say that earlier victims included a man named Wood, and the unibomber has used phony return addresses on his bombs such as Ravenswood and Forest Glen

Road. One bomb was encased in a book cover embossed with a tree leaf, and many of his bombs have included unusual wooden parts and an early bomb had twigs attached. Right, okay. I think one of the ones that didn't go, maybe that, you know, you totally excited a uni one. Maybe he lives in the forest. I mean, do you have to put a return address on things?

Well, I think that was one of, one of his tactics. I guess in part to make it look real, but sometimes he used the return address to get it to his entire target. Yeah, like that first one. Yeah, sometimes he didn't put enough postage on it, enough stamps. So it would be sent back. Oh. Yeah.

Weird. The timing of the... Just send it to him. Yeah, one I guess it just just just puts people off the yeah, how did it track? Yeah, I don't know anyway. Yeah, I'm not sure. No, imagine if he put his real return address on there. Just one time, just absent mind to lay. Yeah, so Derek Smalls. Damn it! He's the bass player from... Yeah, I'm trying to make up a name, but I said the sponals have come.

The timing of the letter is also interesting, as it was sent the day after the Oklahoma bombing, which killed 168 people. Though his letter makes no mention of this attack, some believe that it's what triggered him to send it, as the Oklahoma bomber was getting a lot more attention than him. And if you remember back to my Waiko siege report, the Oklahoma bombing was a revenge attack for the events at Waiko. So a lot of these events are sort of linked. So back to the demand from FC in the letter, I said, publish the manifesto or expect more. Can they send the manifesto as well? I don't know if they sent it at

the end, but they were going to send it or they had sent it. I'm not, I should know that. Because how else can the newspaper be like, how can they, how do they communicate with them and be like, yeah, okay. Yeah, I feel like I'm guessing they did. It was all that together, but maybe they had another system. So according to the FBI website, there was a lot of debate about whether or not they should give into the terrorist demands. But in the end, FBI director Louis Free, or Louis Free, and Attorney General Janet Reno

approved the task forces recommendation to publish the essay in hopes that a reader could identify the author. Oh. So they're like, I mean, on the one hand, if it does stop the bombing, that's obviously good. Yeah. On the other hand, it might actually help us find them.

So they're kind of looking at like a win-win in a way. Yeah, but it was still together. There was a lot of arguing. Yeah. That's the weather, not it was the right move. Because the idea of that was to sort of what the bomber would be thinking was to motivate other people to sort of join them, right? Yeah, I guess so.

But honestly, it's so long, no one's reading that. 37,000 words, yeah. No, no one's reading that in the paper, you know? Yeah. I skipped, I read the headlines, I read what I'm interested in, I read the cartoons. And it was like, I'll stop the volume, you let me publish this comic. Three panels. Then they might get through the people.

Let me write Garfield this week. You know what? No. Just make might get through the people. Let me write Guffield this week. You know what? No, just make it the horoscopes. Then you can get people on your side. Yeah. Because I'm always like a sudden bullshit, but unless, but if it sounds good to me, I'm like, yes. Yes, Virgo. You will get rich. I'm kind of like Virgo, I'll read Leo as well, because I'm on the cuff. All right, you can read Leo as well, because I'm on the cusp. All right, is that, you can get a bit of that if you're on the cusp? I claim it.

I'm on the cusp of Libra, and then one after Libra. You're okay, cool. Yeah, because I think I'm gonna, how close you have to be of the cusp? I'm like three days off. I'm two. You're even cusp of the... Yeah, I'm even cusp.

Cusp of the friendly. It's up to the 24th and I'm honestly such a Leo but Rower got a bit of Virgo in me too, you know left a plan the Virgin lion. Yeah, that's me. I'm a Virgin lion Virgin in the sheets Lion in the streets. Yeah, yeah, that's you I don't get it. Given the green light,

it's the funniest noise. It sounds like it's about to lie. I'm still a bit sick, sorry. Never a part of this. That is why I've been misreading my own words a lot. Is there been annoying? No, no, I don't think we've noticed. Great. We just as bad as usual.

We've got a lot of different. Yeah, it's no different, really. That is unflied. Maybe you're just suddenly aware of it. Honestly, you do this all the time. Can I write the reports day when you read them out? Maybe your reports are't that good. You're just a good reader with words.

That's probably it. Cut that day of a guess. Or not, I'm not sure. Thank you so much. I've got him. I love to read words out loud. Anyway, given the green light, the Washington Post and the New York Times both published the manifesto titled titled Industrial Society and its Future

on September 19, 1995. That wasn't the title, that was when it was published. I would love. It was a polyform sentence. Is Abby Redder, is it like the technology it refers to? So I said it sounds fun. Facts machines, put him in the bin. Okay, we will.

Yeah, the floppy disks out the window. All right. Get that beeper, chuck it in the river. No,py discs out the window. All right. Get that beeper chuck it in the river No, put in the river. We want the rivers put it in land for oh no. I'm creating more waste Burn it. It's probably dangerous. Been the plastic. I'm gonna talk about it. I've sent bombs off everywhere. Who might a judge? In it the rider described their group as the Freedom Club or F.C. And the initial, you know, the initials, the Etch and the Bombs. As hope, the publishing of the essay led to many new leads coming,

I mean, there's also so many articles critiquing the essay. A lot of people who were like, this is, some people say, it's Rannings of a Madman. Other people go, it makes a lot of good points if this is a mad man then so it's so is Karl Marx and this is a mad man then call me mad and it there are people who still study it and and

it's apparently it was put in a book and sold thousands of copies holy shit wow. I think the bummer's like can the royalties be forwarded to this address? Woodward Street, Woodtown. For Woody Woodison. As hoped, the publishing of the essay led to many new leads coming from the public who believe they recognize the ideas and all writing style of the work. According to the FBI, thousands of people suggested possible suspects.

How many friends would you recognize their writing style? Wow. Yeah, I feel like that's a different time, right? I can recognize Matt's from all the mistakes. I'll keep stumbling here. I'd recognize your reading style anywhere. What is this? What does it have to say this? I've never said this out loud. That's a written in the report. What is this? What is that?

You say that? Mine's just a rant about maths and accountants. And you're like, okay. So you were also anti-mathematicians and accountants? No. Just accountants. Oh, I thought you were just making me linked to the Unibum. No.

Okay. No, yeah. Mathematicians are fine, I guess. They're just nerds. I haven't said anything about hating mathematicians or... Accountants. Yes. One person who thought she recognized the language used in the manifesto was a woman named Linda Patrick, noticing similarities to let as her husband David Kaczynski received from his older brother Ted. Bringing this to her attention, bringing this to her husband's attention, David was dubious saying, I thought I was going to read the first page of this, Turn the Liner and

say, see a told you so. But on emotional level, it just sounded like my brother's voice. History.com describes David's brother, Ted, as a a precocious math genius raised in the Chicago area. Oh, I don't think they'd have an article on MF. He wasn't significant. Hmm. Good point Dave. He had won a scholarship to attend Harvard University at the age of 16. And in 1967 became the youngest ever professor of mathematics at the University of California Berkeley. Whoa.

But just two years later, he left modern society behind to live in the woods. That's what just said. Growing far away. I had it when you were surprised that I've said something genius. All right, well let me just say that. That's what just said. The professional, the professional people were looking for a Dalmatian. True.

You list for this and you found them. Just on a pod, a comedian on a podcast, figured it out. He's in the woods. It was pretty. Let's go get him. You've said a few things that I've been like, oh my God. When you said maths a few times, when you said it, it sounds like someone lived in the woods.

I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, guys, you need to understand that I'm so smart. The people at home have always known that. I think you just know too much. Oh, no. You know who else is really smart? Ted. Yeah, Ted Kaczynski.

Because I've never heard his name set out loud. Maybe Kaczynski. Kaczynski. So, his IQ apparently is a little higher than Stephen Hawking's. Woo, okay. I mean, he was a 16-year- Hawking's. Woo, okay. I mean, he was a 16 year old. Yeah.

So, that's pretty impressive. After much soul searching, David provided some of Ted's letters to the FBI as a writing sample. They found them to be a very close match with similar words misspelled and similar phrases and even content matter. Whoa, that would be hard, hard like dropping in your brother. He apparently took him months to decide. I'd throw my brother straight under that bus.

They were a straight forward reward. Oh yeah, I'd wait for them to be like, we'll give you money for it. They'll be like, take him. He made a deal with them. He said, no death penalty. Oh. And I think he really loved his brother. Of course. But he was, you know, he was obviously, he was living in a whole other world.

Yes. Anyway, so those samples of his writing was enough to organize a warrant for the FBI. And on April the 3rd, 1996, Ted Kaczynski was arrested at his Shack near Lincoln in rural Montana. Wow. Due to the nature of the crimes being investigated, it was a painstaking search with agents wary of booby traps and live explosives. Yeah, that's what you'd be scared of with somebody like this.

They x-rayed everything as they went just to make sure. And this proved wise. Every piece of wood could have a bomb. Yeah, exactly. Anything could be a bomb. And you said it proved to be wise. Prove to be wise as according to Smithsonion.com. Inside the cabin, they found bomb making materials,

a live bomb ready for mailing, which they were luckily realized. The original Manifesto manuscript, which obviously a pretty handy piece of evidence, and 40,000 pages of journals recording, because it's his daily life, his bombing campaign, his anger. Oh my god. So a big confession. Yeah. The Freedom Club, it emerged, had a membership of one. Yeah. Wow. Wow. He was the first member. Yeah.

He's founding. He's founding. He's always talking in the plural way where the freedom cloud but it was. Yeah. It's just him. Only over him. So after using so many clever tricks to hide his identity, it was his own words that brought him undone.

His 17 year reign of terror resulting in the deaths of three people and the injuries of 23 others was finally over. Four. So he was at the cabin and just a restaurant side. In the doorway, yeah. Wow. It had, and he really, like he was really anti-technology. There was no plumbing, electricity, anything.

He went, he hunted squirrels and eight berries. He just lived full, you know, pre-industrial world lifestyle. Apparently I read somewhere that one of the things he he moved out there I think before he started sending the bombs and one of the things that maybe started triggering him was he was like living in quite a secluded area and more and more there'd be like, ah, he's coming through and he'd have more people in sort of encroaching on his space, I guess. Wow, but obviously he- With facts machines. But he's, he's,

travelled distances to- Yeah. Well, a couple that seemed like they've been dropped off. Yeah, that's right. I mean, that sketch, I think, was of him, I think. Yeah, but then others, obviously, it's easy to mail it, but like, what's he? But I mean, he's also like him and he's an ex- he worked at a university sort of, as far as anyone knows, he's a respectable guy, who's decided to go live in the woods. Do they ever know how he chose the professors and things that he sent them to? Sort of.

Um, how he chose the professors and things that he sent them to. Sort of. Just continue as you've written it, I reckon, and you'll give us the information that we want. Okay. Sorry, I'm just so fascinated. Yeah, I know, somewhat. There, well. I'm a bit spooked, actually. Yeah, me too. It's been, yeah, some of it's so hard breaking,

reading the accounts of the victims and That's Christmas one especially Absolutely, I mean they all are but that one especially. I don't know just was like oh my god On a more immediate level though after we finish recording tonight I have to go to to work at triple J where I am alone on the fourth floor In the dark with a lot of wood. For six hours. But also a really good security team.

One or two listens to this show. Yeah, it does. And he's legend. He calls me Mr. Stewart when I come in. He calls me Bob, so. That's interesting. Yeah. Because I'm a little more comfortable with you obviously.

Yeah, but I'm there a lot more. Ah, okay, that's nice. We talk footy. Yeah, okay. Normally it's like, he even trying to pet me up. Oh, I'll say it's a looking now. Oh, he's sweet. It's not just sweet, man. For me, it's usually him going, you can do this and hang in there. I know it's very early in the morning. You get to go to bed soon. Is that sort of chat for us? Yeah, because I look very depressed because I'm tired. Well, I think it's similar reason for him. Yeah, talking up the saints to me So once they had their man once they had their man the FBI realized that Kaczynskis

Unusual biography had also helped him from being discovered as history.com explains So computers had helped the FBI compile a vast list of potential suspects based on the targets. All dogs. Different kinds of dogs. Yeah. They were like, let's expand this beyond just delmation. I think it could be a miniature snout. So they're working based on the targets and also the locations of the attacks.

And Ted's name was actually on the list. It was. Yeah, but investigators, I mean, it was a long list. Yes. Investigators had believed they were looking for a man some 10 years older than he was. Right. We felt strongly that his origins were in Chicago and he gradually moved west. The FBI's Jim R Freeman told the Times in 1998.

How could we know he went to Harvard when he was 16 years old? So that threw him right out. All their timelines was, I think they thought it was. Oh, because he was the youngest ever. Stabbing, yeah. So they're thinking, so that was one of the things that threw him off the sand a little bit. This next section comes from Smithstoneian.com and it discusses the trial.

But maybe I didn't talk about, what was your question before? Cause I mean, I, Oh, my question before was just how he picked those random different professors and things. Well, it does seem like some of them were literally picked cause they had some sort of wood connection.

It seems like maybe he did pick wood cause his surname was wood. Oh God. The timber industry, some of them was like, he read an article saying that that P.R. firm try to rehabilitate the image of Exxon, which was not true that article he quoted was false. And even the firm that he misspelled the firm's name,

which was the same misspelling from this article at Falsley. So we just had bad information. Imagine running that article and then later finding out that your Fals article resulted in that. And others were like he did teach it, like some of the universities that he spent time at. There were places he was around, so maybe he was just familiar with them. But yeah, a lot of them was just like, I've looked it up in a phone book. This guy works as the head of science. I'm anti-science. I think a lot of it

was that sort of random. And that's why some of them were like, people are going, how was he a target? He's got no enemies, but it was just relatively random. And often it was sort of like, they don't even work in areas of science that are even that controversial at all. Like they're trying to help people. But yeah, he just wasn't able to draw the distinction or I'm not sure. So yeah, this next part I'm quoting from an article written by a journalist William Finnegan

who discussed the trial. That's what he said. Kazitsky was put on trial in federal court in Sacramento in late 1997. The government sought the death penalty, breaking an agreement with David Kazitsky to full go it. David and their mother Wanderk came to court each day, but Ted, sitting a few feet away, never acknowledged them. His demeanor in court was polite, attentive, calm. The Shaggy Hermit, whose picture had been broadcast across the world, now looked

and acted like a mild professor. A jury was selected, but the trial proper never started. For Kuzitsky was locked in a procedural battle with his own lawyers, the prosecutors, and ultimately the judge about his defense. His court appointed lawyers believed his best chance of avoiding the death penalty was to plead not guilty by reason of insanity. Being labelled mentally ill was Kazitsky's worst fear. He tried to fire his lawyers in favour of a private attorney willing to let him risk execution to present his case, which was a political argument relying on

the manifesto explaining why he thought his actions were necessary. But the judge denied the change of council. But you know, I found, must be so frustrating, I was like, but it's denied the change of council. Which I found must be so frustrating. I was like, but it's for me, I want to change my lawyer. And you're not, no, you're not allowed to. A psychiatric evaluation ordered by the court diagnosed Kazinsky as paranoid schizophrenia. Kazinsky asked to represent himself. The judge denied this request to checkmated.

Kazinsky pleaded guilty rather than hear himself represented at the trial as insane. Wow. He'd been denied his day in court, I thought. This is still the journalist's whew, Finnegan's words. He'd been denied his day in court, I thought, because nobody in power wanted to hear his political message. His lawyers all talented idealists just wanted to save his life. The prosecutors had begun to doubt that they could achieve their goal, a death sentence at trial. So they were just now hoping to get

life. The judge did not want to see his courtroom become Kazinsky's soapbox and in the end each faction avoided the outcome at Fied. On May the 4th 1998, Kazinsky received four life sentences. I also read in other places including Wikipedia that he got eight life sentences but I guess. Right. And it's double but I think it means the same thing. But avoid of the death penalty. Yes. Right. Yeah, it seems like everyone's sort of got their way apart from him in that case.

He was like, he didn't get to, he wanted to defend his actions, which I imagine would have been very hard to do. Yeah, but not to his reasoning. He might think maybe he feels like he could be like, well, he is why and people would go, all right, understandable. Yes. You can have 20 years in there.

Right. But also, I guess that's what the judge was the judge didn't want him to use his call to his own soapbox, because that would have been him. And Matt, yeah, I think that- I can't imagine he would have been concise about it either. Yeah, it's not like It's not like ideas of of technologies gone too far and modern life aren't

unpopular You know people especially people as they get older seem to think more that way all the time, but Obviously not like this, but it is a it is pretty popular idea that technology is fucking up people's lives. Yeah, big time. So yeah, that's where he's still is now, he's in castrated in a super max prison, I think he's 78 now. And according to Finnegan, he remains a prolific writer, corresponding in long hand with hundreds of people and producing essays and books. In a report for the 50th reunion of his class at Harvard, Kaczynski gave his occupation as prisoner. Under awards, he listed his life sentences.

Whoa, so this is as a badge. I'm not, yeah. Let's see, it's dark humor at the very least. Yeah. A badge at the worst. Weird. Yes, but he's, I mean, there's like, I was thinking about writing a whole another few pages about the people who kind of follow his work and that, you know, there were groups online who are dedicated to his basically his teachings and stuff.

Ironically on the internet, but um... Yeah, but that's troubling. Yeah, so there's a there's he's he does have a leg, and I mean he's obviously a very good communicator. He sounds like he responds to everyone. That journalist himself tried to talk to him early and eventually they did communicate back and forth a fair bit. Wow. Yeah, so it's a wild story and it's amazing that I think the only time, the only reason

I've heard the word unabomber was Dave Letterman saying to Joaquin Phoenix on that famous, remember that not moving? I'm not there. I'm not there when he was interviewed Old Letterman, Letterman said something like, oh the unibombers in turn, I'd have something like that. And I didn't get the reference. Edgy, damn. Yeah, and that was all I knew about it. So I was actually surprised to see it. One, the

vote, the other, the other one I put up that I thought was gonna win was the black Dahlia murder, which has been requested so many times. Yeah, I'm glad you didn't do it. You'll put a probably upset you I think. Yeah, right. It's very violent death. Right. I mean, there were plenty of those here too. Yeah, true.

True. Wow. Well, Matt, you did a great job with the report though. True. Wow. Well, Matt, you did a great job with the report though. Alacuate. Alacuate. Alacuate. Yeah, that was great. And you really didn't. Yeah, it was Good to skip over any of the bombs here. But also I'm a genius and I picked it all. Yeah, it was amazing how you it yeah I can't remember what you said about the maths, but I was like oh that feels kind of Kind of intuitive, intuitive but yeah you my strength is people yeah I read people well so straight away I'm like oh oh one of my hearing here what am I not hearing here active listening that's what it is I see well I'm feeling the

letter A is anyone recently lost someone I didn't say I'm psychic or a medium. What's not being said here? Ghost. What's not being said here? Which letter, yeah. No one's saying they're enjoying this. Okay, okay. Oh, that stuff is real hard to watch.

When it's going badly. Imagine the edited and the TV specials that end up. There was popular primetime TV for a little while John Edwards crossing over amazing. Yeah Then the edited out parts would have been brutal I mean B. Yeah, those editors are kind And still it was an awkward watch from the small parts I saw But good on John Edwards if you are listening. Yeah, I'm assuming he is you doing great work

Well, yeah, that's the thing he's trying not to he's trying to tune us out But he's just trying to chill out. He's in the bath having a soak. Yeah, the tub Yeah, be very frustrating glass of Vino in the tub people talking about me again Let me learn I'm so good in the tub John Edwards you're living a great life. Yeah, that's the dream. Yeah, I'm thinking he's a millionaire from all that line Dave Dave the skeptic oh bad boy That that is the end of the report. Thank you so much for listening and You know what happens after the report? Oh, do go on after dark. Yeah, it's the after show, which starts with the fact, quote,

or question segment. Dave, can you explain it while I cough? OK, well, Matt coughs away there. The fact, quote, or question segment, is part of our Patreon rewards system. Now, we've got a few teas. If you want to support the show, you listen every week. And you think it's a good thing you want to keep going after all these years,

you can go to patreon.com slash do go on pod. You chip in a couple of bucks each month, two bucks, five bucks, ten bucks, whatever it is. And those different levels you get different rewards, including you get to vote for the topics like Matt said this week, you get two bonus episodes at a certain level, you get shout outs, you part of the the Facebook group on Patreon where people discuss all things do go on and even something's not related to do go on but it's still fun in there. And could there be fun things that aren't to go on? I don't think so, no that's why I chuckle them, they said, it's still fun, it's like he's just being kind.

And also Matt does a thing called the Fact Qu or question segment where people at the Sydney Shamburg Deluxe package resting piece from moral level. Submit a fact quote or a question for Matt to read out and also they give themselves a title. That's right. That same level also gets to vote on two of the topics. So there's one lower level gets to vote every third week. But on the Sydney Shamburg level, they get to vote two out of the three the topics. So there's one lower level gets to vote every third week, but on the Sydney Shahnberg level they get to vote two out of the three weeks topics. And that was, they were the group we voted for today's one. So it came, it's a small group. And you know, it came down to only a handful of votes. So if you want to feel powerful, the Sydney

Shahnberg Memorial, rest in peace level is for you. This week, it is, good friend of the show, Gary J, who is our fact-quadal questioner, who we met over in the, where do we meet him? I think it was, I feel like it was in Birmingham. Birmingham, Gary J. I reckon I'm out of here in Birmingham. We met him with his girlfriend who was, I love meeting the partner

who has no interest. That's the best. My favorite is when they're very happy to tell you as well. I don't know what this is. I've never listened to this. Okay, thank you. That's fine, that's okay. I'm not saying that Gary J. Partner did that, but it's just funny when people are so ready

to tell you they do not give a shit about you. Yeah, and it's like thank you so much. I imagine if I'm putting myself in their shoes, I recognize them getting on the front foot so they're not feeling caught out. Don't ask me anything, I need you to know. Okay, so it makes, honestly, I'm not offended. I'm stuffing chocolate off here because I'm, it's a defense mechanism.

You were wearing the loudest jacket imaginable, and now you're just back in. At one point as well as talking to us, doing exercise, I'm gonna just see that. Yeah, oh no, I didn't have to see it. I heard it. Sorry, I've got a saw back from lifting boxes all day. Well, luckily you're wearing salafay. Why did you call me out of the way?

No, I didn't. Let's snap off some loud chucky there. It's the... If he gets chocolate, can I have chocolate while you read the factoretically, yes? Of course. Yes. Go for it.

It's two pieces for you there. Mine. So this is from Gary J. And like Dave said, you also get to give yourself a title. And Gary J is giving himself the title. Gary J. from the UK. I don't know if that's right, but he said Gary J. from the UK. That's good.

Bracket in a Ben Russell British accent. But I'm not sure. How can you make it for a Jordy Shaw? Okay. How about you, go and live a pool. Gary J. from the UK. Bunka, bunka. Bunka.

Bunka. Was that, was that character on the character? Gary J for the UK There was a there was a character on character Gatti Gatti I think it's from is it snatch you're right there Gary here I met as a there's that sort of sort of Enforced duo and one of them Gary. I think I can't really get like shot through his afro or something And his partner's like yeah, I think I can't really get shot through his afro or something. And his partner's like, yeah, I had that, Gary, you know, man. Anyway, Gary, Jay from the UK. I thought you said snap, and I had no idea what you're talking about. You're talking about snap.

Snap. I think you're actually thinking of Lockstock. Oh, right. I do get those two confused. Great. I loved them both. I wonder if they hold up. Who know?

Do you know? Have you seen them lately? I'm pretty sure it's Lockstruck. Great. Well, this week Gary has chosen a fact. Love that, guys. Hit us with the fact, Maddie. All right, Gary.

Gary. Gary writes, I'm cheating a bit. There's two facts about sloths. Oh, I love sloths. And I wonder what's Jess, either of them a fun bracket. Matt and Dave can answer if they want, but we all know Jess knows a fun fact from a dud fact.

Thank you Gary, yes. Just true. Fact number one, sloths are three times faster in water than on land. That's interesting. Wow, so that's three times is a lot faster. We got good swimmers, but they're good a lot faster. They're quite good swimmers But they're gonna they're still very slow on land

So maybe they're just like I mean they're not Olympians, right? They're like they're reason about it. I was gonna say they're faster than me for sure Is that all is it the same for old people? You know you see all people at the pool doing a great point Yeah Acquisites or whatever it's going and they're like moving Such agility. Yeah All right, give me theasize or whatever it's called? And they're like moving, yeah. So that's a bit of such agility. Yeah.

Alright, give me the second fact and I'll decide. Fact number two. Yeah, you can also just say. Because that one's fairly fun. I'm proud of that. But I reckon I can be out fun. I had fun with it. Fact number two, sloths can hold their breath for up to 40 minutes, 20 minutes longer than

a dolphin. What? I think that might have elevated it for me. Yeah. They can hold their breath longer than a dolphin. What? I think that might have elevated it for me. Yeah, they can hold their breath longer than a dolphin. And dolphins live in water. Yeah. Did you know that? Like, exclusively.

If you take them out of water, they like die. No. Yeah, no shit. No fact check that. We fact check that, please. I was watching some David Attenborough on Netflix yesterday. And like, I forget which one of this series, but it was the opening one.

There was a lot of montages. And one of them was of this huge pot of dolphins. It looked like there were 10 million of them. That's awesome. I could be exaggerating, but there were a lot. And it was sick. Oh my God, I didn't realize dolphins swam in like thousands of. Dolphins are awesome.

When I was in New Zealand going along a boat on, where was I? Fransdracif. And there's a couple of dolphins like right next to the boat and right where I was standing. So everyone else was like, oh, somebody's so adolpho, where is it? They're trying to look around.

I was like, it's right here. And I didn't have to move. And you weren't telling anyone. God no. I think it's over the other side. It's like, this is my dolphin now. And I still have that dolphin. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over.

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Those are fun facts. Yeah, guys. It's fun. Go. Give you imagine Gary telling us those facts. I'm having fun Yeah, I'm having a good time. Thank you so much. Gary your bloody legend And if you want to get involved on the fact quote-unquote question go to Do go on what is it patreon.com such a gone pod and Sign up on the Sydney Scharnberg level. You can also get bonus episodes, all sorts of things. What's the bonus episode level? Dave, it's DB Cooper and a bit no. Yes, that's right. The DB Cooper level or above. And we put out two every single month and there's a whole bunch in the back catalog that is still up there at the

moe. We want to check them out. Get on it. Yes. And they're fun. We've do at least one report every single month and we've covered some cool topics. We really have. And most recent ones are the nanny and like it's in the TV show. Yes, Matt. Yeah, I did the four report on the origins of the nanny. That was fun. And just what was your most recent one?

That was about the Harry Houdini. Yeah. Yeah. The Apes Skaper. Yeah. That was fun. That was great fun. And we played a game of would you rather where we laughed? I laughed so hard. I was great fun. And we played a game of, would you rather,

where we laughed, I laughed so hard, but I was gonna spew. One of our biggest laughing episodes in a while, I reckon. Often I reckon the bonus episodes we laughed bigger on the episode for some reason. I feel more comfortable. I feel more at home.

Maybe that's what it is. The other thing we like to do at the end of ArupSodes is thank a few of our other patrons and we do that with a little fun game that just comes up with. Oh yeah, but I don't know how I'm gonna make the Unibonma a fun game. Right. Well, I mean you could... Well he loved wood. Yeah. What did they make their bombs? What do they make their bombs? Maybe you could use Gary's fact, maybe a sloth or dolphin related. Name or?

Or maybe they're who they can hold their breath longer than? Yes, great, let's do that. Who or what? Sloths can hold their breath longer than dolphins, but who can from Little Rock Arkansas, Ryan Bedami, who can he hold his breath longer than? Ryan can actually hold his breath longer than another famous Ryan. Ryan Gosling.

Oh, the ghost, the ghost, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no shit man, no shit. I'm just gonna cycle back around just in case and say, Ryan, Badami, Ryan shit man, no shit. I'm just gonna circle back around just in case, uh, and say Ryan, badame, Ryan, badame, Ryan. Badame. Badame.

Uh, Ryan, badame. Badame. Badame. Badame. Badame. Badame. It's probably badame. Badame.

Thanks, Ryan, and congrats on that breath holding competition with Gossi, and I hope he was nice and person. Yeah, I bet he would be. He seems alright. He's in pretty dry. I love a dry here. That's why I can't hold his breath out long underwater. To wet under there. To wet.

On landing and hold it forever. Yeah, he's never breathed. Put him in water he panics. He's never breathed. He's never breathed. Thank you so much, Ron, better me. And I'd also love to thank from Rivervale in Western Australia, Sean Brown.

Sean Brown. Sean Brown. I reckon I'm nailing that pronunciation. It's just in case, Cian Brune. Brune. Brune. Dave, who or what can Sean hold his breath longer? Arachim, Sean Brown, can hold his breath longer

than Lenny Kravitz. Really? But shorter than Merrill Street. Yeah. If I want to put it on the international scale. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. It's a pretty small zone, because I know Merrill and Lenny, I think within 20 seconds,

that's how he's banging the middle. Wow. That's a middle, I think in the middle. That's a middle, I'd love to bang in. I appreciate that. Oh, my God. That's not good. Is that anything? I'd like to quickly shout out to Sean Brown by saying, gold, Sean Brown.

So the golden brown nearly works. I don't get it. There's a song golden brown. I mean, I don't know if you could have got it, to be honest. That was one of the worst things you've ever seen. I don't think it's that bad. Do you remember that? You only had a prime minister called Gordon Brown.

That one is fine. Gordon Brown. Yeah. But Sean, you're this really good minds only quite good. Yours is really good. Mine's only quite good. Wow. I don't know about that. I feel like mine's so good that it definitely wasn't me who would have noticed it.

That's how good it is. Thank you to Sean Brown. Thank you to Galtzon Brown. Thank you to Sean Brown. Can I thank some people as well? Yes, please. I would like to thank from the aisle of what oh what you've got brand to what oh I'd like to thank Harry green brand what degree

Brando wants to grade And Harry Matt can hold his breath longer than Seals yeah, the singer He's breath longer than seals. Yeah. The singer? Yeah, seals. The seals. The seals. But you assign the animal.

Well, I would assign the animal, but that actually does also count seals, because seals can hold their breath longer than seal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're all counted. They're all planted and also counted. You guys to say, well, then he's like, I'll show you how it's done. SeaWorld? There's a world of seals.

It's crazy. I bet that I don't treat him humanely. Definitely not. Thank you very much to Harry and the Isle of White. And I'd also like to thank from Loveland. Oh. What? CEO Colorado? Yeah, but love. I'm getting better to thank from Loveland. Oh, what? CEO Colorado?

Yeah, but love. I'm getting better at states. Loveland. Jess, you know I love to love. I know you love. And I love to love Loveland. Loveland. Loveland.

Can we go there on the tour? Yeah, but any updates? Are we going to America yet? Oh, how about you? I've emailed some more people. It's, they're people who said they'll email my people. We've got a connection this time, but I still haven't had a bag. But from Loveland.

It's like, it's like, it's like really, it's bang in the middle of the country. Look at that. Loveland. Loveland. I would like to thank Thomas Cougan. Oh, Cougan. I like Cougan as a name. Yeah, it's great. It's north of Boulder, Colorado, which is north of Denver, Colorado. Oh, right. Love land.

Well, when I think of love, I think of the sexy man himself. Barry White. Oh, too. Love those snakes. Good hold his breath. Let's hear it for the snakes. Anything for a lady.

Who could hold his breath famously quite long? Yeah. Because of his deep voice and beautiful, huge lung capacity. But uh, Maddolden. Thomas Kuggen is one of the only people Kuggen of Thomas Kuggen being the only

people this side of Denver, Colorado who can hold his breath longer than the Great Barrier was. Wow. Thomas Kuggen. Let's see your pipes. Great pipes. Great, great. Thomas Kuggen, when Dave organises this tour, where I mean, we've promised so many places, but I'd love to drop by Love Land. I mean, is that, so that's somewhere near Blustifer? Yeah, not that far from Denver.

We gotta get to that airport, and while we're at that airport, we gotta go for the couple of our drive to Love Land. Yeah, we must. We simply must. Let me tell you how long it'll take. Tom was Kugin, the golden mile. Oh, we must. We simply must. Let me tell you how long it'll take. It's home of land. The golden mile goes. Oh, I don't want to upset you.

What? But there's also a love land in Ohio. Oh. Oh. I think that's sorry. Sorry, Cougs. Sorry, Cougs, but I won't never see you. There are the love land in Ohio.

Can you marry a town? Between Cincinnati and Dayton, love land. Oh, I forget how much good stuff is in our hide. They got Dayton. They got Dayton there. And Cincinnati, Cincinnati. If I under the head of my mom, then would be happy. Oh, but it's so close.

May as well be there. Let's stretch that border. Oh, I would like to thank finally to bring us home to... Love land. I love land and I love these people. From Concord, California, let me say Concord to Thomas Ambrose. Another Thomas. Do we do a bit of, do we communicate with Thomas Ambrose a bit?

I feel like that name comes up a bit. Does anyone else recognize them? Yeah, I'm recognizing the name, Tom Ambrose. Appreciate your love support. Thomas Ambrose from Concord, California, and Jess. Tom Sanbrose, and of course, famously, hold his breath longer than. Tom is Edison.

Oh, really? Really? Tom action. Honestly, and nothing against Tom Sanbrose, because he actually can hold it for quite a long time. But Tom is Edison, not very long at all, like 20 seconds. Because he's dead? Or no, this is in his-

What? Is this in his- He's dead? Oh, only the good guy young. Sadly, all good things. Oh, my God. Come to him. Tom's Ambrose.

Tom's Ambrose. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Fischer Proud. And I would like to thank you, if I may. Please. Matt, you're going to say something about Tom's Ambrose. I'm going to hurt you. Yeah, I was just think, because Ambrose is a kind of scoring gulf

that I don't think I've ever had. There's an, there's an, I have scoring and gulf called Ambrose. I'm nervous. So you can play Ambrose. I don't know if that's the one where it's like football bestball or the one where you, you know, you all hit and then the best one, you all hit from that spot.

I reckon the best way for us to figure this out is for Dave to thank the little final person. Oh, great. I love that about it Okay, I'll bring us home. Okay with a shout out to a beautiful place Probably a beautiful person San Diego, California A Wales for Giants How many takeers there?

Not two. Yeah, so sorry, San Diego. That's funny every time except it was in a gift form Not not to. Yeah, so sorry, so dear. That's funny every time except it was in a gift form. So let me, I once said something like that on Primates when Ben Russell was on and he goes, what are we just quoting movies now? He can turn on you real fast, almost faster than me. Ben Russell turned.

I remember I ended that out for embarrassed, but I don't, I don't know. Because I don't end of that show normally, but I can't remember if that, that one was almost like, oh Ben Russell is right. What are we doing here? But do go in as a much friendly place. Wonderful citizen of San Diego.

I'd like to thank citizen number 1,160, which is pretty early for a city of that size. Janet Olsen. Oh, I've got one. Janet Olsen. Okay, Janet Olsen can hold her breath longer than him. The Olsen. Oh. Oh, I've got one. Jenner Olsen. Okay, Jenner Olsen can hold her breath longer than him. The Olsen twins combined. And.

Whoa, that's four lungs. The youngest sister Elizabeth. Whoa. Six lungs, assuming they'll have two lungs each. I'll be happy to see. And the fictional character they played on Full House, Mary Beth or something like that. Michelle, I think with Michelle.

Mary Beth, I don't know. Yeah, I think I'm gonna know. I'm Mary Beth Michelle Mary Beth full house I have some full it's full is it's full house? We all live like you all the big shoe at house Everywhere you look everywhere you look There's a house Den This is full of them. Janet Olson can hold her breath. Three people can buy it. That's quite impressive.

Yeah, it's huge. And a one fictional person. Yeah. Wow, three and a half people can buy it. Yeah. Yeah, it's massive. That is sick. Janet Olson, well done.

I love the name. Janet, I love the name. Olson, you've nailed it. There, well done. Five points. Out of. Out of five. Wow.

Is that Amber's style scoring? I think it is. Yes. I'm really happy with this runner names yet again. Ryan Badami, Sean Brown, Harry Green, Thomas Kugin, Thomas Ambrose, and Janet Olson, Holly Molley. That's great team. That. In our hearts. Yeah. In Loveland. Yes. That's all mate in Loveland Ohio. Yeah. On the 69th day.

So sorry. The 69th year of the 69th month. So sad for Loveland Colorado. It was nearly made it in. It was just pipped to the post. Yeah. By possibly an inferior Loveland, we'll never know. Oh, well, let's visit both. We'll find them all right.

Will the side who is the true love land? Well, this does bring us to the end of the episode for another week here at Duga1. As always, we can tell you to go to Duga1.com to buy tickets to our show as found out, Patreon. Link to our merchant us, what we spoke about at the start. You can buy those t-shirts that we will hand send to you. Listen to our spin-off podcast, book cheat about reading classic books that you don't have to. That's right, this week's episode of Book cheat

that just came out yesterday of you just listening now. It was all about the commonly requested English classic while the ring heights. Do do do do. That would have come up a bit, I don't know. That was one of the reasons I, one of the people requested that they're like, someone from Auckland in New Zealand said,

can you do Wuthering Heights? Because I love the Kate Bush song. No idea what she's talking about. So it's been fun. And that was with Josh O'Reill from Don't You Know Who I Am and Kirsty Weebeck, very, very funny stuff. Amazing. Enjoy myself. Good, great combo.

And Matt, most recent primates, who have you had online? Last week we had the Jolls from over I'm going to enjoy myself. Good, great comeback. And Matt, in most recent primates, who have you had online lately? Last week we had the Jolls from over at Plumbing the Death Star and we talked about the classic film that is escaping me right now. Jane Sala Bob strikes back. Jane Sala Bob strikes back. Jane Sala Bob strikes back. Fuck, fuck, fuck.

Mother, mother, fuck. Mother, mother, fuck, fuck. It does not hold up. Loved it when it came out 18 years ago and it was a hard-a-watch to watch this summary. Really? Cockknocker didn't get you? We're still some really funny moments. Well Farrell I don't remember being in it was so good. Maybe I wasn't aware of him at the time maybe. Also Jason Biggs. Yeah Jason Biggs is a good yeah I loved all those cameos but maybe my stans have changed. Definitely society standards have changed but and I'm I don't think I was much of a soy boy back then to be honest,

but I'm soy up to the brim these days. Yeah, well, you're overflowing with soy. It's disgusting. But it was a fun episode. It's been having a great time with that show lately. It's just a fun time. People are worried about getting into it because they're like, I don't like monkeys.

It doesn't matter. It's just a comedy show talking about stuff with funny people. Bloody grow up. Get over it. Read a book. Or don't listen to that book. Thank you. Thank you.

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