Two In The Think Tank - 202 - The Zanesville Zoo Massacre

Episode Date: September 4, 2019

On October the 18th, 2011 lions and tigers and bears were spotted roaming wild in Zanesville, Ohio. Listen in to hear how it all came to a grizzly end.Buy tickets to our live shows here: https://dogoonpod.com/events/Buy tickets to see Matt and Jess live:https://mattstewartcomedy.com/gigshttps://www.jessperkins.com.au/showsOur website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.gq.com/story/terry-thompson-ohio-zoo-massacre-chris-heath-gq-february-2012https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-15364027https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k41vquJ0bMIhttps://abcnews.go.com/US/zanesville-animal-massacre-included-18-rare-bengal-tigers/story?id=14767017https://newrepublic.com/article/108403/zainesville-zoo-massacre-untold-story (I read this one after we recorded and it offers John Moore’s account of events which are quite different) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Visit Planet Broadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Hello and welcome to another episode of Dugo1. My name is Dave Warner here and I'm sitting here with Math Shoeit and of course Jess Bob Perkins. Oh my God, why are you better than yours? But Matt went first. Yeah, my mind was like, why was better? Yeah, and of course, Jess Bob Perkins. Yeah, because she's consistent.

Basically goes without saying. Yeah. I she's consistent basically goes without saying yeah I reckon don't bother saying it next time. Well not say it next time okay She who must not be named on the show Yeah, I want to be the Voldemort of do that. Oh, I'm sitting with Mats Stewart and the rest The rest we did a primates back Gilligan's all in the other week and I was disappointed to see on that episode they did not say on the rest. I must have not been from series one then. Serious two, yeah.

That's more famous. And it was probably in color as well and everything. It was in color, yeah. Was it like a white first? Yeah. Oh, interesting. I just realized something. This is your 200th episode.

Yes. We made it. Yeah, well done. Congratulations, Jess. Thank you. We're in the 200th club. I think you both missed two each, right? No, I missed one recently because I was sick.

So you missed three altogether? Nice to be here. Oh, that's great. Not quite, is it? It's great to be here in the 200th club with you, Matt. Oh, you can't wait for next week. Only two people in the whole world are in the 200 do-go-on club.

And you might make it one day, Jess. Will you get me a cake next week? Well, we won't have you on next week, so if you're weird to get you a cake. Can I have cake? Yeah, for sure, yeah. Hey, we're getting around. We're talking about doing stuff.

We're getting around the place. We get work to do. Yeah, well Matt and doing stuff. We're getting around the place that work to do Yeah, well Matt and I do we'll we'll be doing our live shows I know all three of us our promise will be there. We're coming up very soon now to our big city show Saturday night September 21 and I know Sydney's a cool city It's a cool city where they're like Cool and I love that about Sydney.

It's shiny. People have hair down up there. Look at that goddamn beautiful bridge. Oh, that bridge. They got consistent weather. If it's sunny in the morning, it's probably gonna be sunny in the afternoon. Pretty sure it's some sort of a fashion capital as well.

And they love opera. It's the Chadstone of Australia. It is. Oh, and what a compliment that is. I love Sydney, but they're playing it a little too cool when it comes to buying tickets. You need to fill us with confidence and grab tickets. We have not passed the reserve. Yeah, there's no guarantee at this stage that we're coming at all. So when did Sydney become too cool for us? Yeah. I mean, are they

worried that they'll be locked out? Is that the problem? Because the show is at 7.30. You will not be locked out. We'll lock you in if anything. Yeah, it's a lock-in. It's going to be great. It's a double show. We're doing our podcast coming up at first of all, and then the second half, who knows what that will be, mystery. It's a mini festival of sorts. That's right. Two acts, both us. I might eat cake. That might be the second part. I might be just eating cake. Yeah, that's art. Yeah, I think we could know performance art is me eating cupcakes. Great. That's only what we're also doing in a show in the I don't want to say it now. People that think

they're less cool because they've bought tickets over in Perth. On Sunday, November the 3rd of the comedy lounge, just becoming the real podcast capital of Perth yeah, yeah, cool lots and lots of pods are heading over there We hopefully will see you there if you're if you're one of those people that bought those tickets and it's selling super well So if you do want to come along you better jump on that very soon because it's gonna sell out please do that You're in Sydney definitely get your tickets to Perth pretty quick because you're gonna have to organize flights Yeah, combination of that sort of stuff even easier just get tickets to Perth pretty quick, because you're gonna have to organize flights, combination, all that sort of stuff. Even easier, just get tickets to Sydney. Oh yeah, that's close to for you. That does make some sense.

That's not as cool though. But if that date doesn't suit you, then yeah, come along to Perth. Why not, it's a nice place to visit. We still get those tickets, excluding FFAs, I'll say, at dogoonpod.com. Yeah, we haven't gone into aviation just yet. Yeah. I'm also doing some live shows. Would you believe tonight, I'm in Canberra, dot com we haven't gone into aviation just yet

uh... i'm also doing some love shows would you believe tonight i'm in canberra uh... at the civic pub tomorrow night i mean goleban at the goleban club then on friday uh... in waga waga at the reverena comedy club at kuba and then on saturday the factory espresso espresso god damn it comedy night

at the factory espresso which is the coolest place in all of orange so did you mean espresso no espresso did I say espresso twice no one other times you did and I thought that was right yeah I'm getting that caffeine fast me doing those shows with Nick Kappa I'm doing those shows with Nick Kepa? I'm doing those shows with Nick Kepa past guest on this show. And then Jess, we're doing our show at the Melbourne Fringe. We are, that's right. We're about that.

From September the 12th to September the 9th, it's going to be so much fun with the coupons in real comedy hub, come see us and see all the other shows there as well. And you can find out a bit of details for all these things that match your com.com slash gigs or just perkins.com.au slash shows or google.com for slash. Lot of characters. Yeah, you can just look up Melbourne for in just about this heaps of ways you can find it. Honestly, you're an adult in the 21st century figure it out.

Yes. Show's called Razzle Dazzle. There you go. It adult in the 21st century figure it out. Look at that. Yes. Shows called Razzle Dazzle. There you go. It's all the info you'll need. You find it that way. But the show is in Canberra tonight, Colvin and Mo. Woggle Woggle the next day and orange the day after. You can find it at mathschordcometh.com slash gigs. But it'd be great if you linked to them on your website as well, Joe. No, I won't be doing that. Okay. I'll have a word to Google. Thank you so much.

Hey Dave, should we get on with this show? Yes, how about you tell us an anecdote about a story or something from history now? Or a person, or an event, or a tragedy. A tragedy. Ooh, we're looking for a tragedy, basically. Is it a tragedy? Yeah.

Your favorite. Right, Matt, always regrets these ones. As soon as he starts writing, if you haven't heard the show before. Basically, what we do here is we take a turn to the report on a topic suggested often by a listener, and it is Matt's turn to tell us about a thing. They're Matt, or Jess and I. Don't know what it's going to talk about.

No, it's Jess. Yeah, I know about it. So, can we fact check that? And we're back. We fact checked it. I was wrong. It's Jessica. So, I'm going to ask you a question, get on the topic,

as we always do. And my question is, I put up three topics about Ohio to the Patreon. Wow, the second greatest state, of course, after Vermont. I bring that to the top, because people don't. You've only ever said that at the end of the episodes. Yes, sorry. And a few people were confused at Brisbane show

when I made a couple of references to Vermont like, guys, it's my thing now, I love Vermont and they're like, who are you? Because they make soft serve ice cream there. That's the creamies. And you just got a creamy t-shirt, but anyway. Thank you so, so much. Yeah, that's right. I got sent a creamy theme shirt from Vermont from Zachary Briggs, shout out to you. Thank you so much. I'll be wearing that with pride.

You're looking good in it right now. Thank you. So my question to you to get us another topic is which tragedy occurred in Ohio on the 18th of October 2011? Oh, that's quite recent. Wasn't the mistake on the lake then? No. Oh, right. Yeah, that wasn't a... This is a second or high end topic in a month. So tragedy in 2011. Yeah. So would we have heard about it? I hadn't. Okay. But apparently made worldwide news. Yeah but also back when I was studying journalism. Yeah. What are the odds that you've been

reading the page of the camera? Yeah, there's no chance you were keeping it with the news then. No, God no. Why would you? I actually wasn't even going to talk about, I mean, reading the page of the camera. Yeah, definitely. There was no chance you were keeping it with the news then. No, God no. Why would you? I actually wasn't even going to talk about, I didn't realize that it was during the time I was studying journalism. What I was trying to say was that one thing that we studied a lot is proximity. So we don't hear that much about news from around the world because it's far away.

Yes, which is really dumb. Yeah, yeah. And any there'll be way more coverage of world news if there's some sort of Australian angle. Oh, definitely. There'll always be 50 people are dead, including one Australian. My favorite thing about journalism too is and something that definitely put me off pursuing as a career is if it bleeds it leads tell you start every story about anything tragic. And also my catchphrase which I borrowed from

Alan Swanson, they go, if it bleeds you can kill it. Do you know Lee Matthews used that quote to convince the Brisbane Lions that they could beat Yes and and Bombers in 2000? Wow. So they run onto the ground covered in mud interesting anyway okay tragedy tragedy is there is it with this story led because it bled yes it's got it ends in massacre oh wow a higher massacre Cleveland massacre is it got that in it yes okay that's, that's good. There's two words in between. They're both that was Z. There's the ZZ massacre. The... CZ Top Massacre. Oh no. Something zoo massacre? Yes. Okay. That's good. That's the Zane'sville Zoo massacre. I'm honestly impressed you got zoo. Thank you. That's really good.

But you are a journalist at heart. Even if you are embarrassed by your profession because they only talk about blood. Yeah, I am a journalist at heart. Thank you. Well done. And investigative journalist too. Love that.

It was suggested just by the one, listener, Ashley from Newcastle in Australia. So she heard about it. Yeah. And so she suggested I read an article in GQ magazine by Chris Heath. And this report is pretty heavily based on that article. It's a great article where the read, the article actually is a three parter. And my report is based on the first part. Wow. Did you even get to the second and third part of your story?

Yeah, I mean it goes through, well anyway, it will make more sense when I talk about it, but yeah I think if you enjoy this report then I would suggest going and reading the whole thing. Which we will link to. Yes, there will be a link to in the description for sure. OK, here we go. On the afternoon of October the 18th, 2011, Sam Copchak was at his property in Zainsville, Ohio, when he noticed that his horse, red,

was acting strangely in the paddock. Orcala was red. Red was white and spotty. The spots were also white. I mean, I'm having trouble imagining that. No imagination, do I? So Copt check went out to investigate when he saw that his neighbours' horses were also behaving erratically, probably even more erratically, his neighbor was 62-year-old

Terry Thompson and he saw that Terry's horses were frantically running around in circles. Oh man, had a certain Mr. Hands visit the property? No. Okay, just wanted to double check because... This would be an easy solve. Yeah, and people horses definitely act erratically around Mr. Hand. Mr. Hand's, yeah, for those who don't know,

I'm familiar with the Mr. Hand's. Well, then I'm jealous of you. Yeah. You can't forget it. Listen to the first Thailand episode with Oliver Clark and Nick Kappa. So when he saw those horses behaving erratically, it was then that cop-check realized the source of the horses concern

It was a doubt of the horse source of the horses concerned It was a dark shape that he soon realized was a black bear Cop checks first concern was getting his horse to safety He took his horses bridle and started walking it towards the barn walking yes What are you doing, mate? Well, I think he was... Is the best probably far away, it's... The bear was relatively far away,

and I think they can run pretty quick. Right, Toby walk. And I think they can run. A lot of wild animals can be attracted to something running away from them. Yeah, probably better to just kind of. Okay, nice and calm. I've seen this guy interview.

He seemed like a, he's the kind of guy who understands stuff. Okay, fair enough. I have those country guys that you just trust, they know what they're doing. Yeah, I saw some brief interviews with him, but if he said walk slowly and Dave's gone run. I'd walk slowly. All right, again, I reckon cop checks go on your friend's days a bit.

Yeah, well knowing that situation I'm yelling run at the bear to run after you. Take care of you you're distracted. And in my head I am fear willing Dave. Yeah, bye bye Dave. Goodbye. Good friend. Yeah, and I have your car. In that situation I'm not running or, I'm sitting there on the ground,

shitting myself, waiting to die. That's my strategy. And I've got to be of a will of yours that I've written up. Dave, throw us the car keys. Throw us the car keys. I'm filming you and I'm trying to get you to say that I can have you stuff. I'm like Dave, what's your pen number? What's your pen number?

Say it. Say it. The bear's coming, guys. Do you hear a bear that we are trying to get a little bit of your head? Oh, I, guys, the bear's coming. Dave hurry up and give the pin number. Do you really want to die with it with no one knowing your pin number? And Dave's going, it's um, it's actually not pin number.

The pan in pin is already number. You're just saying personal identification, number number, and the bear hand already number, you're just saying personal identification number number and the bear is just eating us. As tearing us to the chest. And then I don't have any of your money. And that is the biggest treasure. That is what I was saying. I was worried to get straight to the trauma of this episode.

As you remember, in that situation, the bear technically gets the money, is that right? Yeah, I think that's right. I don't know how I'm losing. Dave, do you have a will? Actually, don't have a will. We can rectify that. I don't because I don't have anything. Should I have a will?

Probably. Well, if you're watching late night or early morning TV, I can get a will-free will kit, is that right? I should. And you should also start paying off a funeral plan. Yeah, definitely. There's any lawyers listening. If I die without a will, it doesn't go automatically to the government, my parents can still claim that. Yeah, you still have's any lawyers listening if I die without a will it doesn't it doesn't go automatically to the government

Doesn't my parents can still claim that yeah, you still have next to you It doesn't just go to the government unless you have a will goodness for that It just means that if you have shitty friends like me. Yeah, you guys will be Contest it. Yeah, of course. I'll go after your parents who seemed nice, but Yeah push over his court though So cop check right yes, he's he's more walking his horse to the barn After only a few paces though, he saw something that was even more distressing than the bear What up ahead on the other side of the fence was an adult male lion facing towards them What are you talking about?

Yeah, I know. There's a lion. Yes. A big main fool. So there's been some sort of outbreak at the zoo? No. In that situation, my first thought is, oh, thank God, I'm dreaming. It's fine.

It's fine. I can, I pat the lion. There's no consequences here. You're riding around the lion as the cops are right. I'll die and wake lion. There's no consequences here. You're riding around on the lion as the cops are right. I'll die and wake up. It's fine. Mine is Dave is definitely gonna die. Am I really there to get that pin? Mine is, oh we finally get to see a winds out of a bear on a lion.

And then they both, like they do rock paper scissors and decide which of us they eat. Yeah. They both just turned towards you. Oh no. Which one do you want? I'll take the little one. There was a lion.

Yeah. Okay. That's wild. Okay. There's a lion there. So now what does you do? The following paragraph is from that GQ store I was talking about. Cop check had lived around here his whole life.

The road is his and Thompson's properties of buttert was named Cop Jack Road after his great uncle. Before he retired four years ago, he used to teach seventh grade science. He didn't know too much about lines, but he had heard that it was unwastered to challenge them by looking them in the eye. I mean, we've all heard it. Yeah, and that if you run away, they had a tendency to chase you. So he settled on what he considered a brisk walking pace for himself and Red. He only looked back once when they were about a third of the way to the barn. The line was in the same place as a moment ago, still on the other side of the fence.

Though it was quite obvious that the animal could get over the fence any time it wanted to. Far out. It just seems like it was just like real cool. Real calm. Just like, you know, some people would be like like Dave, but that sounds it. This is too much for my brain. For me, it would be frozen in panic or something, but he's just like, all right, these are the things I got to do. Yeah, I'll work out why this is happening later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the relative safety of the barn, cop check locked the doors and phone his mom. I've been worried about what in there.

And there's like 10 mooses. Oh no. Mooses. Yeah. Chocolate mooses. 10 on, no. I'm gonna eat the mole. I didn't think it would be the fridge.

We're gonna go off. I can't put the fridge. I'm gonna go off. I can't give the fizz a lime between me and the fridge. And these are for a party later. This horse can't eat mousse. Kill the horse. I'm gonna die. Kill the horse. Yeah.

Well, my horse is like, nine mousse, this is the worst thing that's happened today. So you say that you got on the phone. Yes. Cause his mum. And she's like, have you taken drugs? Honestly, what's your mum? Like, I call my mum for most things, you know?

Like, how do I do anything? Mum, help me. But in this case, honestly, not sure what mum's going to do. Well, there's been more practical reason than that. So he called his mum, Dolly, to be sharing it. Dolly. Yes. I love her. He called her because he shareslly, to be shared. Dolly. Yes. I love her.

He called her because he shares the house with her. Right. And she was home watching the telly less than 100 meters away, unaware of the drama unfolding. So he's calling it, it'll be like, Don't let me get. Stay inside. There's a big going on out here. When she answered the phone,

Copt checked, filled her in on what was a foot. And while shocked with the goings on, the Copcheck's were not entirely surprised. They had suspected for a while that their neighbour, Terry Thompson, had kept exotic animals on his property. Terry Thompson, you duck. Though they had never seen them, they could often hear Lions roaring in the night. What? How did he explain that? How did he explain that? That was the part that I was saying what about.

It wasn't the time of day that he could heal lions. Well, his name is Terry Thompson. It's the fact, yeah, that was it. He's, he's, he's, he's, I was Terry Thompson. But the thing they could heal lions and went, it's been odd. And then just got on with their days. Well, this is the, probably one of the most shocking things that I've found out while reading this. And I'd kind of found this out a little bit from I've got a semi-regular guest on primates who talks about sanctuaries and animal enclosures

and certain states in America have really lacks exotic animal laws, or higher as one of those states. You basically don't, or at least at this point, I think what happens has led to some change or some want to change, but you could have exotic animals without even having to tell the government. Like you could just, so at, uh, There's no permits. No permits. So are they, um, basically, basically, there's estimates at how many wild animals are privately owned in Ohio. No one actually knows. Let's see, that's hundreds or thousands.

Do they still have collars on them with their names and phone numbers for if they do a lot of... Yes, they're all called Fado. Oh, that's nice. They're all got chipped. All right, okay, because I was like, surely there's a zoo nearby and something has gone down a zoo. Well, that's the weird thing about it.

When I said it's called a zoo, but it's really like over there that they call in certain states they just call roads, they call them roadside zoos or basically home backyard zoos. Wow. So it's what, like here in Australia, the rules are pretty strict about. Yeah. Yeah, you can't have a lion. So I'd be quiet. Well, that's what we live in in any state.

I'd be quite satisfied if I could hear a lion roaring at night. I live nowhere near the Melbourne Zoo. Yeah, but they're like, they wake up and they go, oh no, that's why we live in Ohio. Oh, my God, thank God. I love this state. It's probably just a world animal. So they have suspected that, what was your name?

Terry Thompson. Terry Thompson. And also I love that they've suspected it. Probably they asked him, it's a yeah. Yeah, what are you going to do about it? I wonder if, yeah, I'm not sure. Maybe they were playing at Koi when being interviewed after, I didn't want to take too much, I don't know.

Maybe they're like, yeah, we thought he might have, but he feels like he was must have known, right? It was out of sight, apparently, it's kind of healy, so they couldn't see it from their property but they were pretty close by so what do they do next? um so you rang Dolly she's watching process ride do you reckon could I call you couldn't call a kid Dolly maybe a dog? do you call a kid Dolly? I don't think I could. I don't think so. we find out what her birthday was in a minute. Ooh, that's exciting.

Delita. So with this in mind, Dolly Copchak called Thompson to make sure he was OK, but there was no answer. So then she called 911 to report the line and bear that were on the loose. According to the GQ report, she sounded calm when she reported what her son had seen. As though there was

nothing, really nothing too strange or alarming about a line and a bear running loose on on October afternoon in Ohio. She was possibly a little rattled though, as she gave her name to the operator Dolores, which was her name, but she hadn't used it in a long time saying later, I've been called Dolly for 84 years. Well, maybe you just feel like it's more official. Yeah. I didn't like the dentist. Maybe she snapped dentist.

Really book under Jessica. Wow. Maybe not that. Figure of authority. Adentist. Oh, my God, I can't lie to him. He'll need to see my ID. Yeah.

Right. Who cares? Dentists and passport control. But even then then even if I say Jess and then I show them my ID I'll probably figure it out. They go fair. Yep fair enough Oh, how got what's going on here? It's not even like with my name where I have to change letters You've got Jess and this is a bit more taken off Eka. Yeah, I'm the same we get rid of you Yeah, get out of here. You get out of here Dolores. Dolores.

Now I'm going to get a dog and call it Dolly. You can't call your child Dolores, anything? No, unless Sister Act makes a comeback. Who am I kidding? Sister Act never left. While Dolly made the call, her son remained trapped in the barn with his horse. He kept a while thing I think let's do another. And ten about to go off chocolate. So he's set for a little while. He kept a watch on the goings on outside and to his quiet

amazement more wild animals arrived on the scene. What how old is he? He's retired. Yes I think he from the looks of him, I think it, well, I know Terry Thompson's 62. I imagine he's in the similar sort of ballpark. Yeah, right, right, yeah, cool. According to GQ, along Camer Wolf and a second bear, this one much larger than the first, and there was the lion he had seen before,

now pacing back and forth. Imagine looking at it, out of cracking your barn and seeing this. And also a lioness anxiously scuttling around. And then, Coptrak said, I saw a tiger. I'm telling you, the line is bad enough, and the lioness is bad enough. And the wolf is bad, and the bear. But don't be around the tiger.

The tigers are actually bigger than the lions if they're fully grown. He started snarling, and he went after the horses. Oh, oh, okay. There's got to be other neighbors around as well, right? Like it's not like it's just those two farms next to each other and then nothing for miles or yeah, no There's other stuff around here. This is just what's happening at his property. Yeah, so like I I not surely not if he's got heaps of animals They're not all gonna go to the one place are of animals they're not all going to go to the one place are they or maybe they are. Maybe they're attracted to the horses like like because most of those are hunting animals. But really all the horse you go let's go over there. I think I think

going through the cop tracks properties the way out to the rest of the. So it's kind of like this is the this radius and they're there but these animals have been locked up Some of them for a long time in small shitty back-out. I guess I'm wondering if other neighbors are also like oh That's an unusual animal on our property But yeah, if they have to go through his get anywhere else that's oh my god. There's a giant tortoise outside What's terrifying? Very slowly, Please hurry. I think based on its speed, we've only got three days until it gets here.

Please hurry. We don't even have any chocolate moves supplied. Unless it rains and it crates a puddle, then they'll move heap faster. No, he looks angry. He's got a look in his eye. I know you're not meant to look in there, are you? Oh, no. Oh, no, I looked again

Now it's really pissed off At this point Thompson was still nowhere to be seen which led to obvious concerns about his safety If his animals were able to break free, maybe they had already got to him I'll talk about that more later the 9-1-1 call led to multiple police officers attending the scene, including Deputy Jonathan Mary. According to, uh, expecting to find a line and a bear on the loose, he was surprised to also be greeted by a tiger and two lionesses. Oh, God. As he waited for Dolly Cop Jack to open the door, imagine that waiter knocking on the door

for these. He got out of the cop car. What are you doing mate? Yeah, um, but he's on the on the door on the veranda waiting for Doli to come to the door when he spots a large gray roof running along the line, the road behind out out of the property. So he's like, I'm gonna shit. I better go see what the wolf's up to. So he ran back to his car, jumped in and followed the wolf. Pfft. And he went,

So now hang on, Doloros is hurt, Doloros hurts him. I knock at the door, but I was hoping it's the door, there's nothing there. She's like, the animals are so good. There's a lioness there. Oh no, they're, they're, they're nicknocking. This is ridiculous.

That's a paper bag of flame lion shit. It's a little wolf there like, hello, have you got time to speak about Jesus? He was unsure what he was meant to be doing still at this point, whether he should be shooting to kill or what, but I guess there's not heaps of options with a wolf but he so he radioed for instruction Do I kill it? Do I hit it with the car? Earlier at around 5.20 pm sheriff Matt Lutz was told there were loose animals at the Thompson and cop check properties He'd been called out to Thompson's property in the past because of loose animals, but they were usually horses.

So he's heard loose animals are the Thompson property. I'm not particularly stressed, it's just another bloody day at the Thompson place. Why can't Terry keep these animals in there? At this point, he'd already knocked off for the day, apparently he'd already had dinner at 520. Oh God, it's in here. It's in here. 400 years old. I don't think so, I he'd already had dinner at 5.20. Oh god, it's like 400 years old.

I don't think so, I think it's a pretty young man. What are you doing? But he apparently didn't have any plans that decided to head over and help out a few years. Ah, don't have any plans. He's the sheriff as well, so he's the man. Dinner, unbelievable. Yeah, maybe he did an early shift.

Yeah, probably. He's probably wanted over hoping for a second meal. If you have to get up super early in the morning, maybe, but even then. Oof. So it took him 15 minutes to drive over, and in that time he received increasingly frantic updates about the different animals that were on the loose being spotted. Needing to instruct his officers on how to deal with them, it didn't take lots long to give an answer.

Knowing there was a nearby apartment, apparently across the, there was a kind of a main road on the other side of that, there was an apartment building. Oh shit. And then within a couple of caves, there was a school soccer match being played. Oh my God. So he's going in, he goes, I'm thinking these kids are yelling,

you know, excitedly. He's like, what happens if the Lions and Tigers are drawn to that? So he's like, in his mind, there was no choice. He instructed his officers to shoot to kill. And they shot 20 soccer players that day. Yeah, that. So that the Lions wouldn't get to the... Yeah, we're really gonna put them out of there that day. Yeah, that. So that their lines wouldn't get to us.

Yeah, we're really gonna put them out of their misery. Sorry, kids. You'll take me later. Well, you won't. I'm up. Eliminate the food source. That's how you get to the... Yeah, starve them out.

Fish rots from the head. It's not relevant, but still a fun saying. Fish rots from the head. I don't get it. Think about it. Well, it's not relevant at all here. It'd be hard to get it out of context. What does it mean?

A fish, right? Yes. Swim it out. I got that part. I don't know what a head is. So it just means that things go bad from the top down. Right. If it bleeds, you can kill it.

You can kill it. You can kill it. Cut off the head. The body will die. Now I get it. Thank you. Thank you, Dave. will die. Yeah, I get it. Thank you. Thank you, Dave. Good, I'm glad.

This guy. Talk about fish. Well, that is scary. As a situation, as a sheriff. Yes. So, yeah, I know, starting with the dairy top, it's more horses out. Yeah.

And your board, because you've already eaten dinner of 520, well, I'll go help out So when Mary saw that the wolf was heading towards another neighbor's house He grabbed the rifle out of the boot of his car and pursued the wolf on foot. Oh my god After getting the radio confirmation that he could take it down from 70 meters away took the shot killing it instantly great shot Yeah, one shot 70 meters where Great shot. Yeah, one shot. So many meters. Wow Sorry wolf though. He went over to Yeah, I know I mean this is this is the

This sucks it is so heartbreaking the story. Yeah, obviously I imagine that animal lovers will now be aware that some animals will die and it's not It's not super nice. They weren't upset though and 20 soccer plays were shot Probably gonna be playing soccer. Yes, they shouldn't it's America baseball come on. Yeah, what are you? How you playing soccer on a dime and like that? Do you want any sense kicking around? Yeah, that's that's called kickball foul ball come on That's that's that's called kickball. Fat ball. Come on. Battle up. We know there's no bats in soccer. What are you doing?

He's on first, etc. You know, it's confusing. Soon after, Deputy Mary heard on his radio that some of his police mates had a line surrounded, which is a kind of a fun. Yeah, he's kind of funny. Yeah, hands up. Hands up line.

Pause up. Knowing that he was the only one with a rifle though, he headed over to them as quick as he could. The other cops would only have their handguns and a shotgun. He knew he was the only one with the rifle, which I don't know why that would be, but there's probably rules around it.

And I'm also, and I mean some of them say later, they're like this nothing like this has ever happened anywhere it'll never happen again it's like you can't be trained for it's it's so full on as he drove over to help them he found another deputy running up and back near the driveway to Thompson's property so I'm gonna see what was going on. He reached for his rifle, but it snagged on something. So he left it and went to investigate. That feels like. It's what the rifle just got stuck on something. He's like, I don't have time. I'll go and I've still got my handgun.

In the film version of that, it would like pause on the rifle and zoom in on it. Yeah. Just so you know, Black around he's running off. Yeah, I mean, the fact that it's mentioned. Yeah, it makes sense. You did that moment. Oh no. According to GQ, that was when he saw the black bear. At first facing him and then running straight towards him. Oh no.

He pulled out his glock, which I think is his handgun. Yeah. Not the weapon you'd want when you're facing down 350 pounds of charging bear. And he says the blackguard. Not the weapon you'd want when you're facing down 350 pounds of charging bear. And he says a black bear. Yeah. Because for some reason I know the rhyme. It was brown. Lie down. It was black. Fight back. Right. Well, he took, he obviously had that rhyme. The ones where he's supposed to act big and make a little bit of an intimidate then, but a brown bear I believe. They, if you played it, they think you're dead, they'll think you're no longer a threat.

A grid to Grizzly's count is brown. Yeah, right. We don't have brown, aren't they? We shouldn't go to America, I've changed my mind. Oh, this is terrifying. Do we don't have bears here? Do we just drop bears? Yeah, I need the drop bears.

Well, the bears. So definitely fight back, because those things. You were telling me recently, I think Dave or Jess koala bears So definitely definitely fight back because those things you would tell me recently I think Dave or Jess that pandas aren't bears Dave was saying that yeah Not related to those other bears, right pandas aren't bears either Yeah, that's what I mean koalas. No, I know koalas on them I know but it's it annoys me when people say Koala bears. I've heard anyone say it for a long time. I did just say it, but that was.

I have not heard a real person say it for a long time. Well, don't, if you're out there. I know it sounds cute, but then what bears, they're just koalas. Matt, do go on. OK. You'll come around like, you know how you used to find, I don't know when people said melbourne. I know you've found it.

No, I've learned it. It's going to be the same with koala bears. Yeah, I'm allowed to evolve and change and grow. Well, you would hate this. You know, the, you know, how Brisbane football club used to be, the Brisbane Bears. Yeah.

Their mascot was a koala. Oh, no. That was in the, like, that was in the 90s. Come on. No good. But anyhow, just to stop the twist, a grizzly bear is a North American brown bear right

I don't see a brown bear. Yeah, but a black one brown. I don't I believe that is true do not take any of that advice on please Google your own advice Dave. Yes Thank you also put yourself in a take best pray. That's what they always say That's a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's more effective than a gun. Take bear spray. That's what they always say. Bear spray. And that's a real thing. Yeah, yeah. I think it's more effective than a gun. What do you mean? They hate it or something?

They hate it. They hate it. They hate it. It's like a spray. Yeah. And they hate it so much that like, I think with a gun, I don't know if we're about to find this out, but you can shoot a handgun at a charging bear like six times. And it's just going to, it's a possibility that it'll just keep, keep going.

Is this so big? But they don't like the smell of something. Yeah. We have pause at a real tense moment. Sorry, it's okay. So a bear is charging at him. Bear's charging at him. A black bear.

He gets off one shot. And that was enough. What? He hit the target. He shot himself in the head. It dropped, it was charging and it dropped on the ground six meters from it. Oh my god. So everything I just said is completely untrue.

Well, he was so lucky. He still doesn't know where exactly the boat landed, but he assumes it's in its brain. Yeah. Like he just knocked it dead. Whoa. And then this following paragraph, which is from the article, sums up what Mary got up to in the following hours.

It's hectic. After he shot the black bear, Mary went back for his rifle, an African lion asked Crawler under the livestock fence and ran south down the road, then headed towards someone's home. So he shot her before she could go further. Then he turned back, containing the deal with the black bear and a tiger along the roadway. Oh my god. He was distracted by a cougar heading south. So he followed the cougar into another driveway where he met a male African line coming the other way.

He shot the line while some other deputy shot the cougar. Soon he was instructed to patrol the border between the Thompson property and in the state 70. And over the evening he shot another wolf, two more lions, a tiger and later on, after its hiding place was revered by a fireman's thermal imaging camera at Grizzly Bear. I don't think I've ever been to a professional zoo with that many big cats. Yeah. Yeah. This is Chris, to some dude's house. I Okay, I obviously don't hope that something's happened to Terry, but it sounds like it might have, but also

Imagine if this entire time he's just asleep. He's also watching the classes right. Yeah, he's just hanging out And he has no idea where all these animals are out and all That's so many animals. Yes, that is insane I I'm thinking about getting a dog at some point in the next two issues. Yeah, don't think about it Yeah, a lot of responsibility You know, I got a bit of travel to do in that time, so where will the dog be? Wait until you know, like it takes a lot. But he's got

lions and tigers and bears. This is like, I really thought David would go with me on that, so thanks man. Sorry, I was just distracted by how crazy this is. I just think you know how it's like Jurassic Park. That's all I'm thinking. Just the way that's written as well, it feels like a video game or something. It's like following a line. Well, actually, I better take that cougar first.

Yeah. Oh, that's going the other way. There's a bear over there. There's a bear in there. That's so terrifying. And yeah, like... These poor animals should never have been in this situation. That's the thing.

Like, it is so sad that they're being shot. But, like, what are they supposed to do in this situation with an apartment block across the road? You need like night time coming quick. And I'm sure all police cars are fully equipped with tranquilizer. Yeah, you need like a Sam Neal or a Chris Pratt to be like, no, don't kill him. Yeah.

Or like you need like proper, proper animal control, I suppose, or people better equipped to do it, you know, in a much safer, more humane way. But at the same time, you don't have the time for them to get there because this is insane and should not have happened though I mean they were Get that soon, but the proper animal people were called But yeah, it's a timing thing as well

But you don't have them in like every Down do you know they were like in a major zoo miles. Yeah Yeah, you know, they were like in a major zoo miles away. Yeah. They're not just like, oh, yeah, I'm just around the corner. I'll pop down with all the equipment that we need to do this safely, that nobody can turn and the animals are all fine. They're like, no worries, I've already been dinner, so come around anytime. It also means like, with that many on the loose, it's just not really possible.

Yeah. Because, you know, if it's one, then you can contain it. Maybe you can make that work. The animals are at numbering the people trying to catch them a long way. A long way. Even getting fire involved and getting any emergency services that you absolutely can.

Anyone, the animals are at numbering you. Oh, man. Wild. The first officer on the scene was Sergeant Steve Blake, and while Mary was bushing the wolf, which I took about earlier, Blake headed up to Thompson's house to see if you could find out what was going on. As he drove up, he saw many more animals on the loose, and also that the cages had either been forced open, cut open, or just left open.

A man named John Moore arrived around this time. He worked with Thompson helping him feed the animals and Moore took Blake to the house where they found two monkeys and a dog in small birds cages. So a lot of these animals are in just inadequately so like I think imagine all all of them were inadequately so as cages. More did some mental arithmetic eventually figuring out that there were over 50 wild animals on the loose just because he knew how many fed it's funny that he didn't he didn't just know how many animals they were there but he I guess he had to subtract the ones that were still in cages as well. They headed back out to the road when more spotted a body near the barn being eaten by a white tiger or seemingly being a white tiger

a white tiger. Yeah I asked really rare it was too dangerous for them to get any closer. I mean just a tiger's rare, isn't it? Yeah, yeah true, but in the white one there I'll be out there the white ones. Yeah, I think they're particularly weird. There's one dream world when I was 12 and its name was Taj which now feels that maybe a little You know anyway having a tiger don't add a theme park. There's a roller coaster There's an endangered animal, but I like to touch so I got a little toy of it So I had a little white tiger toy. Oh, I remember I sexually we went to dream world as well And she had a white tiger hat

I remember my sister, we went to Dreamworld as well and she had a white tiger hat. Oh, it comes with a trucker cap very early on. Curry had a bit of time, yes. Yeah, now the trucker hats are taking the world by storm. That's right, a few years after that they did and now they are extremely uncool again. That's why my sister, we're in that white tiger trucker. I'd love to see a graph of when trucker hats are in. It'd be a real roller coaster. In Australia.

In Australia was about 2004 to 2005. Yeah. That has plummeted since. That's the last time I've been here. That's a while. They might be due. What a cool now. We should buy in.

Yeah, let's get, get due on trucker caps. Yeah. 65 kilometers away. The staff at the Columbus Zoo were alerted to the unfolding events. This is the people you were saying should have been brought in. So hang on, let's just... Proposoo.

So go back two seconds. Well, I was along with that, but there's a body. Yeah. So we can... We assume that's probably Terry. Well, they weren't able to get close to it. They could get close, but... Because the white target was literally on top of it.

That's disgusting. But are we assuming that Dave? Are we assuming it's Terry? I assumed that I was Terry. Yeah. But I'm happy he's prudent around. I'd love that a bit twist, but I'm guessing that's probably Terry. But you'll get to that.

Was that a bear wearing in it? Was that a bear wearing in it? A man's suit. Do you know what that was? I can't see. That's a great twist. That's a huge name. And then the tag was like, great a human, the best.

Like, no, no, I'm one of you. Yeah, a bad time for him to debut his new computer. We're working on this for months, secretly in my tiny cage. You're welcome. They get onto the people's zoo. Yes, so 65 Ks away, so that's, you know, a bit of a journey. The staff at the Columbus Zoo were alerted to the unfolding events. If you're driving at 65km an hour, it'll take you an hour to get there.

Wow, that's right. For example. At the time, they were holding a cocktail party for the International Rano Foundation. The zoo's chief operating officer Tom Schaff remembers. One of our vets came into the cocktail area and you could see the panic on her face. She said we have to go Terry Thompson's animals are out. As he was relatively new to the zoo, self was unfamiliar with Thompson, but others including the zoo's director of animal health, Dr. Michael Barry, was very familiar with Thompson and his home zoo. But his next door neighbor's suspected ear animals animals but everybody else is totally aware that he

Well the animal experts at the at an actual zoo have been always placed I'm just saying Terry should be a little more open and vulnerable Right, and do you think it let let people in? Mm-hmm. Oh, we literally this is some sort of privacy for fun. I was he making money out of this I do believe he is making some money out of it as well, right? Yeah. But I don't know. So you're a pay for 50 wild animals. Yeah, they're all worth it. Obviously, I do not agree with how it's keeping them. I don't agree with having them at all.

But they're incredibly expensive. Yeah, just logistically, that is, unless he's some sort of crazy millionaire. I think it's the opposite. I think he's in a lot of debt. Right. Stop buying animals. There you go.

It's expensive, haven't you? I've never thought of it. I've never thought of it. I've never thought of it. I've never thought of it. I've never thought of you? You have to sell them to people who can look after them properly. There you go. You're fine. So Dr. Michael Barry was very familiar with them. And this is in part because in 2008, he'd been to Thompson's property as part of an ATF raid.

The ATF been the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. So we've talked about a few times there. I'd never heard of them a year ago. Yeah. It's the third report I've done what they've come up in Barry was there how many they have they got the CIA the FBI the ATF DA NCIS and CSI Jag don't forget how can we forget Jag is that is it J.A.G. Is that something does it stamp something? I think so yeah

Guns Does it stamp something? I think so. Yeah, I'm out of the bed. We're just calling it a gun. Guns. Yeah. They're cool. That is sick. NCOS was a spin off of Jake. Do you know that? I did not know that.

There you go. Wow. The more you know. The more you know, the more bored you are. What would they always say? You know, the more you think that's a bad idea for a show. Yep. It's a good thing. It's a bad idea for a show. Yep. It's good.

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apparently out of over 100 on the property, and he was sentenced to a year in prison. That sentence, as it turns out, ended only weeks before this night that we're talking about. So he's just freshly out of jail. So who's looking after the animals in the main times? He's wife. Okay.

Theresa Thompson. Maryam. He's suspiciously like him. Yeah. He's in jail. He's still doing both like that It's a dad by saying in the restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's water one second. I've just got a out of my nose Gaves every time The sky for Tim

It turns out prison surprisingly easy to escape It turns out prison's surprisingly easy to escape. Especially if you dress up as a woman and then just walk out the front gate. Good bye! They're like, is zoo? The security's like, I will put him in a, it's kind of like a human jail version of your own backyard. They do backyard jails there. Little cages.

Bars wide enough to squeeze out. So the team at the Columbus Zoo assembled all their top people and armed and with tranquilizer died. Most of them have had like six martinis already at the cocktail party. No one can do that. They're all in taxi, they're all in taxi. Well, please tell me they're still in touch, see. There's WFITs, see. As far as I know, cannot deny it. So they all jumped in in the van and headed out to Zanesville. Back at the property, Thompson's helper John Moore was feeling deputy Jeff LeCoc, you

know, on something that would end up being used as some sort of explanation for what triggered the events. More recounted talking to Thompson the night before it around 9pm. Thompson had received an anonymous letter whilst in prison suggesting that his wife Marion had been unfaithful while he was behind bars. And according to Deputy Lekok, that's when Terry actually goes to more and asks him about Mary and having cheated on him while he was in prison. And his answer to the way I recall was he didn't know whether she did or didn't. And then Terry makes the statement back to him. Well, I have a plan to find out and you will know when it happens. Okay, so this is some sort of investigation.

I'd release the animals. I don't understand. Well, I think he was probably trying to do something else and then this happened. Well, what was he trying to do? Yeah, I don't understand. I don't understand. I'm guessing that it's, yeah.

You'll know. I mean, it's definitely something's happened and you'll know, but it feels like I don't think you yeah Well, I know because you'll text me about it or I don't think it was in a good way Terry. No, it doesn't sound like it It's probably in a worse way now yes With so many animals on are still on the loose the officers formed a shooting party. Oh That sounds like a fun party

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Doesn't really matter. Deputy Jay Lohan and Deputy Todd Canaveral, who's from the drug squad. Oh, evil Canaveral, who's from the drug squad. Oh, Evil Canaveral. And they both had assault rivals. Evil Canaveral. And they had what sort of weapons, sorry. Assault rifles.

Okay. There were car wrecks and other junk strune all over the property as well. That is like a set up for shooting. Yeah. Yeah. But also given the animals plenty of places to sort of hard ducking in between my god avoid being seen. Was it also mines on the ground? Yes, there were my homes and zombies. Yep. Yeah, zombie lines. Yeah, there were zombie lines. As they drove up to the barn, two tigers ran out of the barn towards them.

Now we're taking by surprise, but they're still able to get shots off and kill those Tigers as well. Well, I made it in the barn, we've rescued him earlier. Not mentioned since. Okay, so we don't know. Oh my God. According to the GQ article, from where they were, they could see the man's body again. The same one we saw really, yep.

Still flat on its back and the white tiger was the top in. Still. Yeah. Has it been a while? It's been a little while. Yeah. Yeah. Well, a connaval reported back to the sheriff that whether the body was Thompson's or someone

else's, it was deceased. And at 604, so yeah, maybe not a full hour, there's a little bit of time has passed. Luck shared his information on the police radio saying, okay, we have located the owner, code 16, dead on arrival. Okay, that's what code 16 means. Possible 58, which is a suicide, unknown for sure on that.

And that's that body you've just mentioned. So they have identified as the owner. Yeah, it was. Terri, yep. So I was right. Yeah. In that very obvious leap that I made. But I just want to know,

I just need this validation that I was right. You were right. Well, I've been, I said, you're an investigative journalist. Yeah. You get the facts. Yeah. And then I get to do a sweet fist pump when I get it right.

Every time. Every time. The article goes on to say that just just is article. Oh yes. So that was all the five of them could learn for now because I originally redeployed to the southern end of the property where some cats had been spotted readying to cross the boundary fence. Before that, that to do with the male African lion that managed to run between some junk cars after the first shot. As they moved towards other escapades, they spread over the hillside, they used the truck to give themselves a elevation, trying to engage the animals from 7,000 to 100 yards away, firing on them two at a time until they went down.

Is it light at this time? No, I think it might be, I believe it's into the nighttime. That is scary. It's like 6 p.m. That is scary stuff. Yeah, it's beyond 6 p.m. So it's getting, yeah, if it's...

I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what's in America. What's that? What's it here? What's it here? Spring. So it's their autumn. Fall. Fall. Fall.

So maybe it's, it's not, it might not be pitch black, but it's getting dark. Yeah. And that's, that's scary. It's not ideal. Dust cuts hunting time. You know what? It would be perfect. And it's like Australian summer. It's not dark to like 9 p.m. You've got heat the time. You're a bit hot. Oh yeah, no, you're right. You're a bit in summer. And they're out in the back of the yut. Yeah, hot. And lions are used to that, so they've got an adventure.

They're fine, they're just sunbaking. Yeah, you're right, I fucked up there. This has been... You want them in the snow? Yes. Apart from the polar bear. Yeah. Now the penguins have got you right, whether you're wet, they want you.

Canarvel's tactic was to shoot for the head a couple of times and then move onto the body and keep putting rounds into it. So I don't know why I put that in necessarily. It was more for the following quote. He's explaining that, but then he said, I was sick shooting these animals because they didn't ask to be there.

And I'm a cat person. Yeah, no, they should absolutely shouldn't be there. Like, it's the, yeah, these are really innocent animals, but. It's just what sort of one I want to make it clear that I don't think these cops are enjoying themselves. No one's having a good time doing this. They have to protect the children playing soccer.

Yes. And the people just enjoying their lives and the apartment building across the road. Yes. And the people just enjoying their lives and the apartment building across the road. Yeah. That is wild. And Terry is not a good person. And he should not have had all of those out. You shouldn't have one of them. You shouldn't have one tiger. Do you want to mean? Not even one. Not one. Not one. 50. Are you the nanny from nanny? I know you always wanted to be the nanny state great great show that would be actually I'm coming around to this nanny state okay friend mr. chef you mr. fine you should wear this when you go outside all right nanny and the pubs all are closing it to a a by the time the

team of the Columbus Zoo arrived, the police told him it wasn't safe for them to try and tranquilize any animals. According to the BBC, Jack Hanna, a former director of Columbus Zoo, you familiar with Jack Hanna, don't know? I thought of John Hanna, and then I was a John Hanna. Didn't know.

He's so weird looking, I'd 100% go there. He's extremely charming. Oh he's awesome. Oh he's the Scottish guy? Yeah. He took me a wilder for you man. For weddings and a funeral. Ritzfjörr blues, my favorite part.

Also the mummy, Brennan Fraser. Yes, that too. The brother John. The sliding doors. He's a charming friend. Well this is Jack Hanna. Ah. He's older, even more charming brother. He's quite famous. I'm very familiar with him

because of his regular appearances on Letterman back in the day. He's like an animal expert. He's like an animal expert. He had bringing animals and he was really enthusiastic. He's like the American Steven. I imagine the guy that I was in parodyed on the Simpsons. Probably. It's like, the eagle flies under cross his head. Oh, she must think you have her eggs. I only ate one. So, he was interviewed soon after all this, because of his, you know, he was connected to

the Columbus Zoo. He apparently is basically the face of it if you go to Columbus Zoo, Jack Hanna's pictures on everything. But he said, tranquilizing animals in the dark was incredibly dangerous, and told reporters that they share after the right thing. What? Okay. Any reason why? Yeah, Hanna also supported the Shoot to kill order, despite it being criticised by others. You cannot tranquilise an animal like this, a bear or a leopard or a tiger at night said Hannah. If you do that, the animal gets very excited, it goes and hides, and then we have police officers in danger of losing their life and other people. It takes 10 minutes for

it to kick in. Right. And in that time, they've gone life and other people. It takes 10 minutes for it to kick in. Right, and in that time they've gone off and hidden somewhere. Yep, and I mean, there's a bear coming at you. Yeah. 10 minutes is not a quick enough for it to try. And then you've got to find what, 50 and all you get, 50 K does and stuff.

It's hard to get the dose right. You've also got to, apparently you've got to go, basically you've got to be there with them to make sure it's all going right. Wow, okay. So the only reason they actually use that would be in terms of like transporting the elsewhere, or...

Or if it was one, just because it's so hectic, I just don't think it was a possible thing to do. So they were right to just shoot. And a lot of people have said that. They're like, why weren't they tranquilizing these animals, this is fucked up. And then people like Jack Hanna coming out and saying, no, they really didn't have any option,

helped with the PR of it all. It'll get people like, well, if Jack Hanna is like clearly, it's famously an animal lover and expert. Far from that. At this point, the white tiger had moved away from the body, and the members of the shooting party were able to get up close to it, and confirm it was Thompson. Not far from the body, they found bolt cutters and a gun.

He had appeared to have died from a gunshot to the head. They also found bits of raw chicken around the body in Tom's staff from Columbus, who sees, or saw that as an indication that he wanted the animals to eat him. Sounds like a full on. I think you're going to say it sounds like you've died of food poisoning. Yeah, and it's more chicken. And it's more chicken.

Wow, what are you doing? Salmonella, the quite killer. So the theory there is that, well, he shot himself in the vicinity of raw chicken to attract them and then get eaten. After he'd presumably in the vicinity of Rochick and to attract them and then get even after he'd presumably Let him all out. Yeah And he was reading a lot of comments on under different videos about and stuff and and they were these arguments about tranquilizing Why and then other saying it's it just wasn't possible and then other people just really angry at him

They're like he let him out. He's smart enough to know that those animals were gonna get killed. Yeah, they're not all gonna come for you and then go back to their cages. Like they're gonna endanger everyone around you. And it seems like there are a lot of people around you. And whatever happened, eventually these animals

that you supposedly love, because apparently you know, he was an animal lover as well. He shows in a weird way by keeping him in pretty full on conditions, but people like out, he must have known that those, they were all going to end up killed. But also not to get too deep, but if you're in a state of mind where you're going to take your own life You don't necessarily think about yeah, of course Well, I mean I'm just talking about these are comments on the internet so that they're not always Super-ratholic normal thoughts to have he's clearly done the wrong thing

I think we can probably all agree on that keeping the animals in the first place the terrible conditions and then Letting him out it's neighbors, and he would know that there's an apartment building that there's a football field nearby. That's extremely dangerous. So it was. He's definitely fucked up. You'd know that this was the fate of your animals as well. And yeah, and that's one of those, that's that weird thing, it's like everything you did

until that point was legal with these animals. Which is insane. And also that they'd rated the house for something completely different. And it had been reported that the conditions the animals were terrible and nothing was done. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess it's just they just don't have any, they don't have the laws to They don't have the laws to enforce if there's no laws. It sounds like he was lucky not to have had it shut down. But if it had been, then this would never happen. If you go, oh, I reckon 50 animals is too many and also you're not keeping them in good conditions, then this wouldn't happen now.

His house was a squallet as well. It's stank and it was just, it was, yeah, at all. There's none of this is nice. But then I just don't understand the point of having all those animals. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

It makes no sense. It does feel, it's like one of those things I imagine it started with one and it just, yeah. I did read, I think not sure I'm not sure makes no it does feel it's like one of those things I imagine it started with one and it just yeah, I did read I think much later in the In the G key thing how's it going though? Apparently when he was in Vietnam and he he befriended a monkey there and and that might have been where his love of wild animal started Monkey said I can help you out. Yeah, what do you want? You want to keep so open this jacket? Monkey said I can hook you up. Yeah, what do you want? You want to talk to me? Heaps over this jacket Monkey's wearing a jacket lovely idea of befriending a monkey. I like that. Yeah, but my friend monkey wearing a jacket

That is nice. That jacket Like a French coat no like a smoking jacket like you have no style. Wow silk. That's a fancy monkey. Yeah, that is a fancy Yeah As the night went on, so did the killings. Again, this from TQ encounters with animals that would normally have been remembered for a lifetime with forgotten moments later as the next came along. That's the thing that blows my mind. Imagine you go, I was face to face with a bear.

Normally that someone's big life story. I'll tell this for the rest of my life. The guy has the cops on this night. We're having that story every every couple of minutes. You forget I forget how many animals you'd say. Yeah or shot I should say Somehow no one was hurt. What? Even Mr. Cop Jack forgotten his barn safely managed to make his way on it unaskorted back to his house at nightfall. That is, imagine making the break for it.

Yeah. Again, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have the courage. I'd be eating that chocolate mousse. Yeah, I'm waiting. I feel like, yeah, I'd probably feel inclined to sleep there for the night, but yeah, what did it was about 100 metres? I wouldn't feel safe.

It's a pretty long run. It's a hundred metres with animals that can. It's a pretty long run in a dark. It's a pretty long run in a dark. It's a pretty long run in a dark. It's a pretty long run in a dark. It's a pretty long run in a dark. It's a pretty long run in a dark. It's a pretty long run in a dark.

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That is a miracle that will not one slip. But you don't know how many there are it's getting in stock now I can easily just a slink off into the night. Yeah a tiger or a lion As a way of making sure all animals were accounted for the officers started laying out the deceased animals in order of species a Photo of this heartbreaking sight was taken anonymously and would not go on to become kind of the the most was taking anonymously and would I go on to become kind of the most seen image of the whole event. It was in newspapers all around the world the following days. Wow. I am surprised I haven't heard of this. Yeah. Maybe the photo does ring a bell. I'm not going to say but it is, yeah, it is just, you know, a photo full of huge, beautiful animal bodies. Far out.

But- Beautiful animal bodies was a weird way to put that. Bodies of beautiful animals, thank you. But it does make sense for them to do that and count it out and be like, yeah, okay, we've got the more. Yeah, because otherwise you're like, oh shit, we're missing a- Yeah, yeah. The zoo team returned the following morning, now with their most famous members, Jack

Hannah. Still wearing toxicos? Ah yes. Chemical plastics. Yeah, they went back to the party. They were drinking martinis in between. Hanna was debriefed by the sheriff and afterwards was interviewed by media over and over again about the events, giving his opinion that the police had no alternative. According to GQ, this probably made all the difference.

Hannah was a trusted animal advocate, and as he emotively articulated his pain of the deaths that had taken place, his unequivocal insistence that the Sheriff's Department had no other option than to act as they did served as a powerful antidote to the other obvious narrative. That a thoughtless small town law enforcement brigade had murdered dozens of noble beasts because they were too dumb and trigger happy to think of a better alternative.

Yeah, because there weren't that many of them out there trying to, I wanna say, capture the animals, they weren't capturing them, but stop them. Far out, this is wild. It shouldn't,'s yep, okay You know people like we got a non-ohio in American listeners who Will occasionally getting contact to make fun of how boring are high? How are there so many of these stories that come out of Ohio? Yeah, and all these famous people

Yes so many so many people was like oh well they spent their childhood or release a part of it in Ohio Yeah, oh, okay? They spent their childhood or released a part of it in Ohio. Yeah. Oh, OK. It's a cool state. Second only to Vermont. Well, it's number one for me. Yes, where was you? Was you number one state? You got the deciding vote.

Well, you can pick a third state of your life. Good luck, I see you. I can't think of the one. Damn it. Do you have it, Deva? California. Your popular vote. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with the cool kids. You are cool. So I just had a line, damn it. Do you have a, do you have a, California? Oh, you're popular though. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with the cool kids.

You are cool. So I just had a micro sleep. Indiana's number two for me. Oh, porny Indiana. Where does, and Gary? Where is Vermont's it on your list? Because Ohio's number two for me. What I know about them is that they have those

whoopi ice cream creamy creamy ice creams I Look forward to getting there. I mean, I do I've never been no higher so it or Indiana But they are one and so far, but you have been to Vermont. I've been of Vermont. I've been to California New York New Jersey Texas Louisiana. Have you been to New Orleans? New Louisiana, I've been to New Orleans. Yep, where's Yellowstone Park? Yellowstone Park? Yeah.

That's where I saw a bear, and I saw a moose. So everything bit of moose, I had my top four, and I got three of the four of it. I saw an elk. I drove to a herd of buffalo, passing. a drive through them, like they surrounded it. It sounded like he killed all the buss. I was having a they got around me. Get around me.

And an elk, but yeah, never saw the moose, so the moose is still the dream. Elk or Dremel. What about Vegas? I'll va, yeah. No, I'll have to do Vegas. So, is it Wyoming maybe? Why don't I, I went to Jackson Hole. Where's Jackson Hole?

Yeah, Wyoming. That is the least popular state. Is it really? Yeah. Second. Well, it makes Vermont second. No kidding. Well, that was a fun detour, as Jess said. I think that means I've been at eight, so I've got 42 to go. Nice. The final body count was 49 animals. Whoa. Though there was also one macaque that remains unaccounted for with the belief, I'd like to

think that it's gone on to bigger and better things. Yeah. They think it was eaten by one of the big cats. Oh. That would be, yeah. If that happened, you wouldn't have any evidence of it. Yeah. And you'd be wanting it. Without cutting up all the, all the cats. Oh, that would be yeah. If that happened, you wouldn't have any evidence of it. Yeah. You'd be wanting it. Without cutting up all the, all the cats. Oh yeah, I guess so. It wouldn't leave anything behind. I don't know. Yeah. It depends on how big it was,

I guess. Gross. They decided to bury the animals there on the property. A digger was brought in and a whole 30 feet deep was created before the animals were unceremoniously dumped in And then the dirt just came back out. Yeah Plenty deep. It was hard for staff to watch this is from from Columbus Sue saying our role in life is to care for animals and to educate and inspire people about these great creatures And to see them piled in the mud it was just a bad day you know the mass of the understatement. The autopsy on Thompson's body pointed to suicide by gunshot. It also mentioned that he had some lacerations around his head and

neck probably from that white tiger. The other notable thing here apologies this is to gruesome mods and tro I should add it or not, but his dick had been even clean off. Oh. I mean, who ate it? Don't you fucking regret face us. Clean off. Yeah, was that self-infected?

Or as Chris Heath writes in the GQ article, by the time the body was recovered, no part of his external genitalia remained. Where there should have been, there was nothing but a raw gap. That was Terry Thompson's final grotesque parting gift. The rubbed meal for one of his animals. Sometimes before it too met it's death by bullet on that sad night of October 18th 2011, New Zanesville Ohio. Why it went for the dick?

Yeah, it was pretty much everything else was untouched. Was he naked? Was he wearing crotchless chaps and they were just flapping in the breeze? I can't imagine that that would be like, if, let's say humans, let's say there was like, we were bred for meat,

like cows are or something. I don't think that would be a nice bit of meat. No. Do you know what I mean? We were bred for meat like cows are or something. I don't think that would be a nice bit of meat. Do you know what I mean? Chewy. I speak for yourself. I'll be feeding families for weeks. Okay.

It'd be thighs, right? That'd be weird. The thighs, the bum? No, that's a bit mussely. Yeah, that's a bit mussely. I imagine the dick would be very chewy. Yeah. It'd be like the French would probably love it.

You know, it'd be one of those delicacies. Like a snail or a frog. Or thighs or something. Maybe like the belly. Belly? Maybe. Yeah. Yeah.

That's like, yeah, it's a bit of meat around there. Hmm. Anyway, not, you wouldn't, why, I mean, you could have any part of him. He's dead, he's got raw chicken around him This is what he wants. Why are you eating the dick? I mean this tiger seems really not a gourmet a It did seem strange what sounds like it. Maybe it is a gourmet. Yeah, you think it was a French tiger Maybe There were there are a few animals that remained in cages and one there was also a bear

remained and they ended up being taken to the Columbus Zoo. At the time, it was like a breakout scene in the movie when one person gets out and the others are like, let me out, let me out, let me out, let me out, let me out, the bear would be like, a bear in a... seeing its friends go and thinking, oh, I would like to get out too. Ended up being the safest place for that bear. And didn't you say when they first got there, there was a couple of monkeys and a dog?

And a dog, that's right. Yeah, so I think his wife returned and she was pretty emotional when they're being taken away. I mean, all of it, officially was full on, but she was like, please, don't take my babies away. Well, what, I mean, like, look what happens. What do you mean, don't take them away? And did they take them away?

You should have been allowed to have them in the first place. Then, in 2008, when they came and said, oh, these animals are in terrible conditions, they definitely should have been taken away then. And now, they've gotten out and had to all be hunted and you're like, oh no, please let me keep it. Like no, no, you don't get to keep it. Apparently she's saying a lullaby to one of the monkeys and they were like, we don't think you should take him out of the cage. She's like, no, it'll be fine. Like she was, she said, I think she said that the eldest female monkey,

or maybe it was the macaque, they would share it, she shared a bed with her quite a while. So like she was super- Really close. Closer and comfortable with him and it was all fine, but yeah, it's pretty, all of it is. Orful. It's, yes. was him and it was all fine but yeah it's pretty all of it is awful it's yes it's a odd all of it is a bit odd it's not what I was expecting when you said massacre you were thinking it was going to be

human yeah yeah and that is a fascinating story and I'm amazing truly exhilarating story but there was a maybe I don't know if it's worth saying this, but this is a local Zanesville resident was quoted in the BBC article. Zanesville was Bill Wyser, and he was asked about Mr Thompson, Terry Thompson, and he described him as a colorful character who flew planes, race boats, and owned a custom motorcycle shop which also sold guns. He was pretty unique uh, was a told AP. He had a different slant on things. I never knew him to hurt anybody

and he took good care of the animals. So I don't know if his... I don't know how he how he came to that opinion, but it sounds like he didn't take great care of the animals. Yeah. But it was interesting that he was a colorful character. It wasn't the guy who was picturing like this plane flying boat racing. No. Man, but yeah, it's just, uh, he was, so he was, um, they bugged him, you know, before those raids.

And they were worried that he was a danger. He talked about sort of terrorist leaning ideas and stuff. Right, I was at a shitload of guns. Yeah, so yeah, it's all, I mean, what a, just a crazy, crazy story. Yeah, it's insane. I just, what purpose, what's the point in having all of those animals? I don't know, I guess it's, yeah, it's like a collection of anything. I'm guessing it does sound like they genuinely loved them. Yeah.

In their way. Sure, he would tell you that they did, yeah. So I'm guessing that's, yeah, and I think she was saying, like, I think it was reading that when Marion is, his wife was saying, don't take my babies, she's like, I bought one of them for 30. I think you said 30 grand. So I don't like it's just, I don't know where the money comes from.

But then I also did read, you're asking if they made money out of it. I didn't, I didn't read a lot about that, but I did read that in 2008, Heidi Klum used one of their line cubs in a photo shoot. Oh yeah. That line went on to escape that day and yeah I guess they're probably digital. It's um she went on to Mary Seal so yeah yeah well that is that is the end of my report. That was an amazing story. I'm surprised that only one person suggested that. Yeah, I want to want Australian person. Yeah, thank you very much.

But yeah, like I say, there'll be a few links, but the the GQ article, if you are interested, there's a whole second section which is about this sort of unknown world of private zoos in America, especially in Ohio. He does like a quite an in depth investigation and he visits a lot of them to find out more. And then there's a third chapter which tries to get more into the mind of Terry. So it sounds amazing. I do remember reading an un-fact checked possible fund fact recently and that is that in Texas because they also have the lapse laws that there are more tigers in that state than anywhere else in the entire world.

Really? Because they have so many people with their own private collection. Right. Again, un-fact checked. Because it was one of those internet things. I was like, whoa. It's another thing that the Jack Hanna said was so sad was kind of like having to watch these tigers get shot and knowing that there's I think there's you know there's

They're critically endangered. Yeah, not there's not many so it's Yeah, what a An extra level of sadness to it all oh higher That's incredible So I wonder if those are or did you say this already, if those laws have changed? Oh, I think that definitely is movement for it to change. I don't know how much they've changed.

I would be surprised if they are the exactly the same. Yeah. But yeah, maybe others would know. Let us know if anyone listening has an exotic animal. Do you have a tiger or a lion? How common is it? Well, that brings us to... I always thought it was cool if like,

I found out a friend had a goat or something. Go, it's a good one. It was no one I knew personally as a child because he lived in suburban Melbourne. But like, friends who I know now who are like, oh yeah, we had a goat or a goose or something, I'm like, that is fucking horrible. I mean, if you wall I mean if you have a Dalmatian yeah don't see many of them yes the friend of mine is two yeah you're two wall two different

rare crazy sorry man I cut you off there I just think this is wild no that's alright I was I was just gonna kick into the fat quote a question same but I was also gonna say that it's um you might not have heard his name's's Villa high, which I hadn't either, but it's not looking at photos of it, it isn't it, it's not like it's a tiny country town, it's like a fair city. It's a city, so obviously, you know, it's property, it's just something outskirts there, but it is a far out. I mean, if there's so much, there's still such, it's a populated area. Yeah, I think in that, apparently in the Zainsville,

micro-politin, where, what am I hitting wrong there? How do you say that word? Well, it's the, I guess you're saying it like, cosmopolitan, micro-politin. Yeah, micro-politin. Yeah, it's probably the size of it. The size of it. The size of it. The size of it.

The size of it. Yeah. So it's 86,000 in that area. So it's, you know, it's a decently sized. Big city,ently. Yeah. Anyhow, so that brings us to the fact-quote or question segment of the show. And that's where you get to give a fact-quote or a question if you're on the Sydney Shahn Berg deluxe memorial, resting piece level of our Patreon, which you can do at patreon.com slash do go on pod. If you support the show, you can get a whole bunch of different things like bonus

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Seaguer Bjorg, Edge of Fudotu. Who is from Iceland? I think she also says in her nickname that people call her Seba Oh Seba Seba thanks so much Seba and Seba is given herself the nickname head janitor of dog igloos We were looking for one of those Thank goodness. We finally feel that position. I should say you also get to give yourself a title and this week say you also get to give yourself a title. And this week, Siggy Abjorg has given us a quote and the quote is, and I've never read any of these until I'm reading them. So let me have a look. Part of the fun. My quote is from a great woman, Eleanor Roosevelt. And this is the quote, great minds, discuss ideas, average minds discuss events,

small minds discuss people. So hopefully you enjoyed our discussion on events and people here today. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Quick, let's discuss an idea, quick. I think it's more like gossip, you know. Right.

We're not really ones to gossip, on part. I thought that that was going to be end with small ones discuss sport. I thought that was going to be end with a small one, it's a scar sport. I thought that was going to be like a go at sport. Sport fans. This is, she debriefs a bit on this saying, I often think about this quote when I hear people either talk about others behind their backs or simply about the Kardashian clan. That and this person deserves a high five in the face with a cheer

That really escalated that did escalate. I have I'm like a high five. Oh, that's nice. It's all no Thank you so much. Thanks Seba. There's a mini a good conversation on the Facebook Messenger through our page with Seba so great to have you support the show in Iceland How cool I that blows my mind That brings us to have you. Support the show in Iceland. How cool. Nice. It's all so cool. That blows my mind. That brings us to our other favorite segment of the show. It is where we get to thank a few Patreon supporters. Yes. Another reward is that we share it out to six people every week and just use the comes up with a game.

I have come up with one but I need to clarify something in the game. Okay. So I want to give each of these people a spirit animal. I want to clarify that the animals are very much alive Okay, and healthy and safe, okay, so their spirit animals are Okay, and well looked after probably out in the world happy No, no, no, no Okay, fantastic. I'll never die. They're mortal animals

Well, would you mind if I kick it off? Please. From, I'm going to say Manchesteron New Hampshire. And I'd say that is correct. I'd love to thank Matthew Ingle. We're getting good at this now. You know, ticking off those states, at least verbally, anyway. Matthew Ingle. Matthew Ingle. Can I call you Huey, Matthew?

I'll take the mat, you take the hue. All right, so Hue Ingle. Alright, so hue angle. Hue angle. For some reason, the first animal that came into my mind was a vampire bat. Okay, that's a great spirit animal. Pretty cool animal. That is great. A little bit badass.

A little bit badass. Yeah, like a fly. Yeah, that's what a great thing for your spirit to be able to do. Let your spirit fly. Mmm, Matthew, your spirit's flying. But also it's like a vampire bat that's wearing a little tuxedo. Oh. He's a fan.

Wow, that's, I like that. You know, little bow tie. He's like, he's like, he's a vegetarian. He's a really sweet little vampire bat. He's like, hello. Hahaha. People are like, did you have some blood? He's like, oh no, I couldn't, you know.

Couldn't possibly. No, I think you, I don't want to hurt you. Because He's like, oh no, I couldn't. You know? Couldn't possibly. No, I think you, I don't want to hurt you. Because I have another drop. So they feed solely on blood. Huh, there you go. But not Matthew. Vampire bats. Well, it's just, I mean, spirit blood.

Yes. Yes, spirit blood. Animals feed on spirit blood. Thank you so much, Huey, Matthew, Huey, Eagle. I'd also like to thank from Hopper's Crossing right here in Victoria, Stephanie Andrews. Stephanie Andrews. Oh, thank you very much. Yes, appreciate that. Lovely to hear from the local. I'll be getting a song there, Matt, which is nice.

I'm, there we go, I'm thinking. You were seeing that about me the other day. Yeah. Same tune. Yeah. It's a catchy check. What's the tune? It's inside of Yeah, it's a catchy check. What's the tune? It's the song called Jessica. That's why I was seeing it to me, that makes sense. Yeah, that didn't make sense. With my name Dave, I don't know if you know this. Your full name.

My full name is Jessica. Okay, you told me that you told the dentist that once. I'm gonna say, one bat. Oh, that's my favorite animal. That's probably what I'm saying. Favorite animal or just favorite Aussie animal? You put it on That's my favorite animal. That's probably why. Favorite animal or just favorite Aussie animal? You put it on, I think favorite animal.

That is fantastic. You're asked for the other day in the wild and a kidnap. Great animal. Like a big one. Monitoring. God damn those little faces. That's right, that in the part of the post. Get a shocky-ote.

I would say that the kidnap in the wombat rival for me. I can never choose between my favorite Australian animal. Yeah, awesome. I love them both so much. I also do love the North American Bison and obviously there's a whole subcategory of love called the non-human primates. Of course, but you've but I put them above all others. Yeah, these is the top two animals you've ever run down in your car. Bison, I've filled them. One bat to feel to one bat. No, I love nuggity animals.

And they're both real nuggity. Can I thank some people as well? Yes, please. I would like to thank from Plymouth. Oh, in Devan! In Devan! Oh, Devan, who do scons properly there? Praying then jam.

Yeah. Incorrectly. Spread them. We never did that one when we were in the UK, did we? We never got to Devan, we got to do that next time. We're gonna have a big scones day. Oh, I love Autumn to me that we get to Devon for scones at some point together even just in Australia We did scones once in England and they saw you couldn't call them scones. They were not scones The worst scones I've ever had were in England, but I had a fantastic jacket potato. So I was happy

That's true. No, he can't and I made scons just last week. What laugh? I don't know about that at all. I don't know about that at all. I just caught up and made scons. It was adorable. Anyway, I would like to thank you. Did you do the Devon way? No, I did the correct way. Which is of course.

From the C place, what's it called? Chester. I don't even put it in my memory. I'm wrong. Corn won't. Damn it! They do passies right. They do scons wrong.

Anyway, from Devon, I would like to thank Chris. I'm sorry. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. They do pass. He's right. Yeah, they do scones wrong. Hmm anyway from Devon I would like to thank Chris Halum Oh, hello Chris Chris Halum Chris Halum Halamunkey. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah My word now that Halamunkey is a great. I love Halamunkeys Yeah, these are all good animals. Oh yeah, obviously. And they're spirit animals. So even if they're an animal that's normally a bit shit, they're a spirit animal, so they're like...

Look at like, what's some powers or something? They're like the cartoon versions, so they're super cute. It's got like how even a warthog was cute in the Lion King, you know? Yeah. In the original one or the original? The original. Because it wasn't as cute in the new one. I never see the new one.

Well, when we went to that elephant sanctuary in Thailand, there was a warthog, a mumble warthog walking over like about eight little pups. Yeah. And it was it was so cute. The little ones. They were so cute. Oh my god. And they were just hanging out in a mud bath. Yeah. Mud tata. Oh, that's cute. So thank you so much, Chris. And I'd also like to thank, from Greensboro. Greensboro. Greensboro. Greensboro. What's NC?

North Carolina. North Carolina. North Carolina. How could I get on fact? What a fool. How do you know anything about North Carolina? Well, finally enough. Greatest possible, all time arguably.

Obviously, Ohio and Great is also in the conversation now as well. Carmelone. The mailman. Oh, it's a lippest. But Michael Jordan, he used to wear shorts, college basketball shorts, so blue. And then he got drafted into the NBA to play for the Chicago Bulls. Yeah, in the windy city, that's right. And he just kept on wearing those blue university shorts. But they wouldn't have gone with his Chicago uniform.

Well, that's the funny thing. He put his other shorts over the tops. It was wearing two pairs of shorts, meaning he needed to have bigger shorts for Chicago, starting the fashion that led to big basketball shorts. That is my Michael Jordan slash North Carolina story. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you. I love that fact. And I hope that was new information for you. Melissa Ferguson.

Feel like I haven't got to tell it. I don't even get her name out. Melissa Ferguson. Oh, thank you Melissa Ferguson. I'll repeat it too because we appreciate your support. It's a Ferguson. I appreciate you. I met an all-she-everythings about. I don't even apologize for that. I'm talking to all-she-everythings about. I'm sure I bet she's wearing some right now and what kind of animals was the Ferguson? Well, I Dramanify I mean, I was I'm trying to avoid going for primates all always Okay, so are you saying now you don't want to go because you've thought of a well? I was I like the I like the ring-tailed lemurs Oh, that's a plan. Well, I was I like the I like the ringtailed

lemurs. Oh, that's great. They're cute. They're great. Cheeky. Yeah, that's okay. You're a legend. Sorry. Sorry about that. Hey, don't apologize. Hey, Melissa loves that. Okay. Thank you, Melissa. They're an iconic look and lean with the black and white striped tail. They also they as I learned in a past episode primates, they'll bone on top of cactuses. They have stinkfights with each other and the winners bone on top of cactuses or something like that. No, that's not a winning thing. No, that's not a prize.

That is a prize worth fighting and dying for. Okay, Dave. I don't know what to do for Christmas. Yeah. Would you like to think some people tell you? I would love to take a second. Thank you so much. We have a couple of legends to shout out to and I'd like to thank from a clone in Deutschland, okay, Germany. Been to Cologne, catch the, I

caught the ferry across I think, maybe from the white clips of Dover, is that where that ferry goes? Hmm, am I making that up? I don't know, I've not been on the ferry, but I believe you. I might be wrong. I might have got a clone in a different way. It might have been a pub. But I remember, I did go to a pub there, yes. And that's the place I almost missed the train at,

because I was stuck at an Irish pub, with an Irishman who was just feeding me pons of Guinness. But earlier than I remember, in Cologne, they had their beers were tiny. That was like their standard size of beer was real small and then the next day went to Munich and their standard size of beer was a later. I love culture. Sounds like you had a lot of them in Cologne because it's very, very much landlocked. I don't know how you got a ferry to the to the middle of Germany but that's impressive. No I'm getting confused with that is impressive.

Where does the somewhere in France is where the ferry goes? So Dave, who was in Clown? I went to Clown. I would like to thank, so sorry, from Clown, I imagine she's on the ferry right now. I'm saying she, I'm assuming you, I'm so sorry. Verena Limpa. The first name, Verena, surname limpa. Thank you so much for

Renata limpa what a name fantastic support that I got a feeling when I read this name Yeah, if I may indulge that feeling I'm thinking two can Good, I love two can I see Paul. I loved him. Which if you're not familiar two icy poles stuck together Yeah, they were two sticks two sticks You can either double up double down having both or split it in chair with a friend So cute and you obviously had them by itself. Yeah, of course. I mean, I wasn't an other child But I was treated like one because of our affluence How did anything you wanted this collet that I was thinking of?

I Understood alone to lay it's close We get it. That's so much very now. Thank you for in it. My fate, one of my maybe all-time favorite ads featured Erg2can. It was for, I'm pretty sure it was for Tuiz new. And this 2can walks in a wall bar and taps its hard beak on the, on the bar to signify I want to be. And then the bar tend to put the beer out. And then the 2can sort of like trying to be and then the bartender puts a beer out and then the two cans that are like trying to struggle to get It's be around the thing and it ends up knocking the beer over and one of the other booze-hound guys can't always be mate

You can't how physically pick it up and he's a two-can screamer. There's so many levels What a clever ad but I definitely didn't get as a kid. That's a good song But it's still loved it. Look at that two-can fun-ling around with the beer. So cute. Oh man. I don't think you... That sort of dedicated to you, Marina Limper. Thanks so much.

Marina Limper. What a name. What a city. What a life. I'd like to finally thank... Bring it home now. A lot closer to home that is. From Galban in New South Wales.

That's gonna be... I'm gonna be tomorrow. Oh yeah. Please be front row and center. Wave those hands if you got them. Do you know Dave what Galban's famous for? That's a big thing. That's a big thing.

It's a big marino. The big marino. Ah, I thought I was, I think it's gonna be to make Galban valley fruits. No, different place. Really? Yep. Oh, disappointing.

Sorry, mate. I hope the front row antenna at the golden show. Peter Grant. Peter Grant. Peter Grant. Is that two golden patrons in a couple of weeks? Yeah, good timing. I reckon Peter. Oh, yeah, well.

It's a little quaker. Oh, quaker, fantastic. A quaker! A great Australian animal. Yeah, they look like they've been hand drawn. We saw them in Adelaide Zoo, remember? And I was so excited because I wanted to get a photo with one, but they were all sleeping.

And then we also saw a tourist waking one up and patting it. That was a little bit weird for us all. Someone did really like leave them alone, sleep, and she was like, you're shaking it. Wake up, wake up, I'm patting you. So when we go to Perth, I'm hopefully going to go see some quakas. Oh, I've never mounted out to Rotness. Can we go? Yes. Oh, yeah, let's do it. I've never been to Rotness, either.

So it's an island off Perth where, basically, that's where they're from. Yes. So very, very cool. And thank you so much to Peter Grant and Goldman. I'm sure you'll be front row at Matt Show tomorrow night. And if not, um, you better have a really good excuse. If you're hearing that, hearing this episode a couple days after it comes out, fair enough.

No, then you fucked up. Yeah. And thanks to everyone that supports the show on Patreon, as Matt said at the start, if you want to get any of those rewards, and also know at the same time that you're supporting our show and our lives, you can go to patreon.com slash dogoonpod. And you can also find us,

oh, over the place, if you look for do go on pod including on ncm twitter facebook youtube if you're your youtube.com slash do go on pod I'm putting up a bunch of stuff I think the live some live episodes should almost be up there for some new videos which is a bit of fun yeah and yeah the website do go on pod.com is where you'll find information about everything. Check out Dave and my other podcast, which primates and book cheap, which you'll see linked in the show notes as well. And this week's episode of primates is a lot of fun where I had on Jackson and Cass from from Sans Pants and we talked about an old episode

of Scooby Doo. Oh, great. Oh, that sounds fun. Ragey? Never ate the ape man. Is it? It's called a bit of fun. Well, this is the title of the episode. I love that. I love that a lot. I was a big Scooby-Doo fan growing up.

Mm. One of my favorite cartoons. Have you ride it? Move your world. Oh, it's fantastic, right. It's so fun. Well, let's get back up there. I don't like the ride, but I like it. Did you guys ever get to a theme park on your up there for that week?

No, we didn't. We didn't. We didn't. What did you do with your time off? Wasted it. Did you see a movie like you promised like that. I don't like that. I don't look right, but I like that. Did you guys ever get to a theme park when you're up there for that week? No, we didn't. What did you do with your time off? Wasted it. Did you see a movie like you promised? No. I did.

Oh. What were you doing? That was you one thing you said you'd do together. There were. Ah, fair enough. You're on the young ones and you're fucked it. All right. Well, with that wisdom, we're going to end the show.

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That's very fierce. They get all sleeping and they have some leaves and they go sleep. Don't they sleep in insane amount? Like 20 something hours a day? Yeah, because how many high up there are so there's off the Eucalyptus leaves all the time? I just don't know, I fall out of trees a lot because they...

Just bake and very unintelligent apparently too. Oh, sadly. That's what I relate to them. Yeah, they're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best.

They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're the best. They're Thank God they have their looks. Yeah, those fluffy ears. Oh my God they have their looks. Great noses. Oh. So soft looking. Little baby one.

But they make, you get close to them. I've heard, I've never been close to them. You know, I don't let them in, but they, emotionally, but they, yeah, apparently they're not as cute when you get near them. Right. Cute from, pretty sharp claws. So cute from a distance near them. Right. They smell pretty sharp claws. So, cute from a distance?

Yeah. Right. Cute if it's a cartoon version of it. So I've always told you this story when I was down on the Great Ocean Road near Apolloe Bay and we were driving out to the, great way, the lighthouse and along the road out to the lighthouse, all these cars pulled over because there was koalas in the trees. And I was with my brother and my sister and law and a friend. And we're like looking out the

windows trying to spot koalas. And they're hard to see because they're the same color as the tree trunks. And I suppose that's probably the idea. But my sister and law goes, why don't they make them in other colors? That is a good idea. It was so good It was great. We were all just like who's they? M who makes koalas do you reckon who's they just like no, but you know if there's a pink one Be able to see it easy. I like that is a good point. Yes. Can't fault that cannot fault that I feel like we're not that far away from Humans doing that sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah human suck I like far away from humans doing that sort of stuff. You reckon? Yeah, human circle.

I like tigers, but I'd like the more in a purple. Can you make that happen for me? You know, I realize only recently way too late that tigers are not yellow and black. No, they're orange and black. And because the one team, Richmond, the tigers are orange and black and because they're the one team Richmond the Tigers a yellow and black somehow my brain Didn't like didn't understand like

Connected that even though I'd look at a tiger. It's clearly orange my head. I'm seeing yellow and black I would have sworn though a yellow and black until maybe a year ago What what really got across the line? Someone said, Targets are orange and black and I said, no then, oh. Oh. It was one of those,

like, you know, like something clicked in my brain. I was like, and then there would have been a flashback sequence where I've seen all these Targets before, you know, like Kaza Soze and the usual suspects. That's all I know. All the clues were there all along. Tigers are orange, black. Yeah, not weird, but.

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