Do Go On - 202 - The Zanesville Zoo Massacre

Episode Date: September 4, 2019

On October the 18th, 2011 lions and tigers and bears were spotted roaming wild in Zanesville, Ohio. Listen in to hear how it all came to a grizzly end.Buy tickets to our live shows here: https://dogoonpod.com/events/Buy tickets to see Matt and Jess live:https://mattstewartcomedy.com/gigshttps://www.jessperkins.com.au/showsOur website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING:https://www.gq.com/story/terry-thompson-ohio-zoo-massacre-chris-heath-gq-february-2012https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-15364027https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k41vquJ0bMIhttps://abcnews.go.com/US/zanesville-animal-massacre-included-18-rare-bengal-tigers/story?id=14767017https://newrepublic.com/article/108403/zainesville-zoo-massacre-untold-story (I read this one after we recorded and it offers John Moore’s account of events which are quite different) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Dugo One. My name is Dave Wonki and I'm sitting here with Matt Stewart and of course, Jess Bob Perkins. Mine was way better than yours. But Matt went first. Yeah. Yeah, but mine was like, mine was better. Yeah. And of course, Jess Bob Perkins.

Yeah. Because she's consistent. Basically goes without saying. Yeah. I reckon don't bother saying it next time. We'll not say it next time, okay? She who must not be named on the show. Yeah.

I want to be the Voldemort of Duggan. Oh, I'm sitting with Matt Stewart and the rest. And the rest. We did a primates about Gilly Gonzalez on the other week, and I was disappointed to see on that episode they did not say, and the rest. I must have not been from series one then. Series two, yeah.

When they were all a bit more famous And it was probably in colour as well And it was in colour, yeah Was it black and white the first season? Yeah Oh Interesting I just realised something

This is your 200th episode Yes We made it Yeah well done Congratulations Jess We're in the 200 club Because I think you've both missed two each right No I missed one recently because I was sick

So you've missed three altogether Must have yeah Oh that's great It's great to be here at the 200 club with you Matt I can't wait for next week. Only two people in the whole world are in the 200 Do Go On Club. And you might make it one day, Jess. Do you reckon, will you get me a cake next week?

Well, we weren't going to have you on next week. So it'd be weird to get you a cake. Can I have cake? Yeah, for sure, yeah. Hey, we're getting around. We're talking about doing stuff. We're getting around the place. We've got work to do.

Yeah, well, Matt and I do. We'll be doing our live shows. No, all three of us, I promise, we'll be there. We're coming up very, very soon now. to our big Sydney show, Saturday night, September 21. And I know Sydney's a cool city. It's a cool city where they're like, I'm cool. And I love that about Sydney.

That's shiny. People have hair down up there. They got that goddamn beautiful bridge. Oh, that bridge. They got consistent weather. If it's sunny in the morning, it's probably going to be sunny in the afternoon. Pretty sure it's some sort of a fashion capital. Yeah.

As well. And they love opera. It's the Chadston of Australia. It is. Oh, and what a compliment that is. I love Sydney, but they're playing it a little too cool when it comes to buying tickets. You need to fill us with confidence and grab tickets. We have not passed the reserve.

Yeah, there's no guarantee at this stage that we're coming at all. So. When did Sydney become too cool for us? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, are they worried that they'll be locked out? Is that the problem? Because the show is at 7.30.

You will not be locked out. Yeah, we'll lock you in if anything. Yeah, it's a lock-in. It's going to be great. It's a double show. We're doing our podcast coming up. first of all and then the second half who knows what that will be, mystery.

It's a mini festival of sorts. That's right. Two acts, both us. I might eat cake. That might be the second part. I might be just eating cake. Can I do that? Can I please do that?

That's art. Yeah, I think we get an organiser. Performance art is me eating cupcakes. Great. I'll tell you what, we're also doing a show in the, I don't want to say it now, people that think they're less cool because they've bought tickets over in Perth.

On Sunday, November the 3rd of the Comedy Lounge, It's becoming the real podcast capital of Perth. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Lots and lots of pods are heading over there. We hopefully will see you there if you're one of those people that have bought those tickets. And it's selling super well.

So if you do want to come along, you better jump on that very soon because it's going to sell out. Please do that. If you're in Sydney, definitely get your tickets to Perth pretty quick because you're going to have to organize flights. Yeah. Combination of that sort of stuff. Even easier, just get tickets to Sydney. Oh, yeah. If that's closer for you.

That does make some sense. That's not as cool, though. But if that date doesn't suit you, then, yeah, come along to Perth. Why not? It's a nice place to visit. Please do. And get those tickets, excluding airfares, I will say, at do-goonpod.com. Yeah, we haven't gone into aviation just yet.

Yet, yeah. I'm also doing some live shows. Would you believe, tonight I'm in Canberra at the Civic Pub. Tomorrow night, I'm in Galban at the Golbin Club. Then on Friday, I'm in Wagga-Wager at the Reverena Comedy Club at Cuba. And then on Saturday, the factory espresso. Espresso, goddammit, comedy night at the factory espresso, which is the coolest place in all of Orange.

Sorry, did you mean espresso? No, espresso. Did I say espresso twice? No, one of the times you did, and I thought that was right. Yeah, I'm getting that caffeine fast. Are you doing those shows with Nick Kappa? I'm doing those shows with Nick Kappa past guests on this show. And then, Jess, we're doing that.

show at the Melbourne Fringe. We are, that's right. I forgot about that. From September the 12th to September the 19th, it's going to be so much fun of the Cooper's Inn. Yes. Real comedy hub. Come see us and see all the other shows there as well.

And you can find our ticket details for all these things of Mattischewcommon.com slash gigs. Or jessperkins.com.com. Slash shows. Or Google.com forward slash. A lot of characters. Yeah, you can just look up Melbourne Fringe as well. There's heaps of ways you can find.

it. Honestly, you're an adult in the 21st century. Figure it out. Look it up. Shows called Razzle-Dazzle. There you go. That's all the info you'll need. You'll find it that way. But the show's in Canberra tonight, golden tomorrow,

Wagga-waga the next day, and orange the day after. You can find at Matschwoodcom slash gigs. But it'd be great if you'll link to them on your website as well, Jess. No, I won't be doing that. Okay. I'll have a word to Google. Thank you so much. Hey, Dave, should we get on with this show?

Yes, how about you tell us an anecdote about a story or something from history now. Or a person, or an event, or... A tragedy. A tragedy. Oh, we're looking for a tragedy. Is it a tragedy? Yeah. Your favourite.

Great, Matt, always regrets these ones as soon as he starts writing. If you haven't heard the show before, basically what we do here is we take it in terms to report on a topic suggested often by a listener, and it is Matt's turn to tell us about a thing that Matt, or Jess and I don't know what he's going to talk about. Yeah, I know about it. So can we fact check that? And we're back. we fact checked it. I was wrong.

It's Jessica. So I'm going to ask a question again on the topic as we always do. And my question is, I put up three topics about Ohio to the patron. Wow, the second greatest state, of course, after Vermont. Oh, you bring that to the top because people don't, you've only ever said that at the end of the episodes. Yeah, sorry. And a few people were confused at our Brisbane show when I made a couple of references to Vermont. Like, guys, it's my thing now.

I love Vermont. and they're like, who are you? Because they make soft serve ice cream there. They're creamies. And you just got a creamy t-shirt, but anyway. Thank you so, so much. Yeah, that's right. I got sent a creamy themed shirt from Vermont from Zachary Briggs.

Shout out to you. Thank you so much. I'll be wearing that with pride. You're looking good in it right now. Thank you. So my question to you, to get us on the topic, is which tragedy occurred in Ohio on the 18th of October 2011? Ooh, that's not recent. Wasn't the mistake on the lake then?

No. Oh, right. Yeah, that wasn't a... This is a second Ohioan topic in a month. So tragedy, in 2011. Yeah. So would we have heard about it? I hadn't.

Okay. But apparently made worldwide news. Yeah, but also, back when I was studying journalism. What are the odds that you would have been reading the pages then? Oh, yeah. There was no chance you were keeping up with the news then. No, God, no. Why would you?

I actually wasn't even going to talk about... I didn't realize that it was during the time I was studying journalism. What I was trying to say was that one thing that we studied a lot is like proximity. So we don't hear that much about news from around the world because it's far away. Yes. Which is really dumb. Yeah, yeah. And there'll be way more coverage of world news if there's some sort of Australian angle.

Oh, definitely. There'll always be 50 people are dead, including one Australian. My favourite thing about journalism too is, and something that definitely put me off pursuing him as a career, is if it bleeds, it leads. That's how you start every story about anything tragic. And also, my catchphrase, which I borrowed from Arnold Schwarzenegger, if it bleeds, you can kill it. Oh, you know, Lee Matthews used that quote to convince the Brisbane lines

that they could beat the Asson and bombers in 2001. Wow. Do they run onto the ground covered in mud? Interesting. Anyway, okay, tragedy. Tragedy. Is it, would this a story lead because it bled? Yes.

Oh, wow. It ends in massacre. Oh, wow. Ohio massacre? Cleveland massacre. The, is it got that in it? Yes. Okay, that's good.

So there's two words in between. They both start with Z. So it's the ZZZ massacre. The... ZZot massacre. The... Oh, no. Something zoo massacre?

Yes. Okay. That's good. That's the Zanesville Zoo Massacre. Yes, the Zanesville Zoo Massacre. I'm honestly impressed you got Zoo. Thank you. That's really good.

But you are a journalist at heart. Even if you are embarrassed by your profession because they only talk about blood. Yeah, I am a journalist at heart. Thank you. Well done. You worked that out. An investigative journalist too. Love that.

It was suggested just by the one listener, Ashley from Newcastle in Australia. So she heard about it. Yeah. And she suggested I read an article in GQ magazine by Chris Heath, and this report is pretty heavily based on that article. It's a great article worth of read. The article actually is a three-parter, and my report's based on the first part.

Wow. Did you even get to the second and third part in the episode? Yeah, I mean, it goes through, well, anyway, it will make more sense when I... talk about it. But yeah, I think if you enjoy this report, then I would suggest going and reading the whole thing. Which we will link to in the description. Yes, there will be linked to in the description for sure.

Okay, here we go. On the afternoon of October the 18th, 2011, Sam Kopchak was at his property in Zanesville, Ohio, when he noticed that his horse, red, was acting strangely in the paddock. What colour was red? Red was white and spotty. The spots were also white. I mean, I'm having trouble imagining that.

No imagination, do you? Yeah. So Copchak went out to investigate when he saw that his neighbour's horses were also behaving erratically, probably even more erratically. His neighbour was 62-year-old Terry Thompson, and he saw that Terry's horses were frantically running around in circles. Oh, man, had a certain Mr. Hans' visit.

the property. No. Okay. Just wanted to double check because... That would be an easy solve. Yeah, and horses definitely act erratically around Mr. Hans. Mr. Hans. Yeah, for those who don't know, I'm familiar with the Mr. Hans.

Then I'm jealous of you. Yeah. Go back and listen. You can't forget it. Listen to the first Thailand episode with Oliver Clark and Nick Kappa. So it was then, when he saw those horses behaving erratically, it was then that Kopchak realized the source of the horse. The horse's concern.

Source of the horse. Source of the horse was concern. It was a dark shape that he soon realized was a black bear. A Copchak's first concern was getting his horse to safety. He took his horse's bridle and started walking it towards the barn. Walking. Yes. What are you doing, mate?

Well, I think he was... The bear's probably far away-ish. The bear was relatively far away, and I think they can run pretty quick. Right, so if you walk, they can't run. A lot of wild animals can be attracted to something running away from them. Yeah, probably better to just kind of... Okay, nice and calm. I've seen this guy interviewed.

He seemed like a... He's the kind of guy who understand stuff. Okay, fair enough. You know those country guys that you just trust, they know what they're doing? Yes. I only saw some brief interviews with it, but I would... If he said walk slowly and Dave's going, run! I'd walk slowly.

I reckon cop checks going... Your friend, Dave's about to be easy. Well, no, in that situation, I am yelling, run at the bear to run after you. Take care of you, you're distracted. And in my head, I am farewelling, Dave. Yeah. Bye-bye, your friend. Can I have your car?

In that situation, I'm not running or walking. I'm sitting there on the ground, shedding myself waiting to die. Yeah, and I've got a copy of a will of yours that I've written up. Dave, throw us the car keys. I'm filming you. and I'm trying to get you to say that I can have your stuff. You can have the car. I'm like, Dave, what's your pin number?

What's your pin number? Just say it. Say it. The bear's coming, guys. Tell me a pin number, your tiny little piece of shit. Like, guys, the bear's coming. Dave, hurry up and give the pen number. I mean, do you really want to die with no one knowing your pin number?

And Dave's going, it's actually not pin number. The N in PIN is already number. You're just saying personal identification number number number. And the bear's just eating us. And then I don't have any of your money. And that is the biggest tragedy. That is, wow, that's so sad. Sorry to get straight to the trauma of this episode.

I assume in that in that situation, the bear technically gets the money. Is that right? Yeah, I think that's right. And our high-in-laws. Yeah. I actually don't have a will. We can rectify that. I don't, because I don't have anything.

Should I have a will? Probably. Well, if you watch late night or early morning TV. I can get a will-free will-kid, is that right? And you should. And you should also start paying off a funeral plan. Yeah, definitely. There's any lawyers listening?

If I die without a will, it doesn't go automatically to the government, doesn't? My parents can still claim that. Yeah, you still have next to him. Fee-f! It doesn't just go to the government unless you have a will. Thank goodness for that. It just means that if you have shitty friends like me, I'll contest it. Yeah, of course.

I'll go after your parents, who seem nice, but not for long. Push-overs in court, though. So cop chakra He's walking his horse to the barn After only a few paces though He saw something that was even more distressing than the bear What Up ahead on the other side of the fence

Was an adult male lion facing towards them What are you talking about? Yeah I know There's a lion Yes Big Maine full So there's been some sort of outbreak at the zoo No

In that situation my first thought is oh thank God I'm dreaming it's fine it's fine I can I pat the lion there's no consequences you're riding around on the line as the cops are I'll die and wake up it's fine mine is Dave is

definitely gonna die I really need to get that pinned mine is oh we finally get to see winds out of a beer and a line and then they both like they they do rock paper scissors and decide which of us they eat yeah

they both just turn towards you oh no do you want? I'll take the little one. There was a lion. Yeah. Okay. That's wild. Okay. There's a lion there. So now what does you do? The following paragraph is from that GQ store I was telling you about. Copchak had lived around here his whole life. The road is his and Thompson's properties abutted was named Copchack Road after his great uncle. Before he retired four years ago, he used to teach seventh grade science. He didn't know too much about lions, but he had a heard that it was unwise to challenge them by looking them in the eye.

I mean, we've all heard it. Yeah, duh. And that if you ran away, they had a tendency to chase you. So he settled on what he considered a brisk walking pace for himself and red. He only looked back once when they were about a third of the way to the barn. The line was in the same place as a moment ago, still on the other side of the fence, though it was quite obvious that the animal could get over the fence any time it wanted to. Far out.

I just, he just seems like he was just like real cool. Real calm. Just like, you know, some people would be like, like Dave. Yeah. This is too much for my brain. And it would be, yeah, frozen in panic or something. But he's just like, all right, these are the things I've got to do. Yeah, I'll work out why this is happening later.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. From the relative safety of the barn, Copchak locked the doors and phoned his mum. I'd be worried about what's in the line. I know, you look up and there's like 10 mooses. Oh, no. Mooses. Yeah.

Chocolate moose. Ten of them. Yeah. Oh, no. I'm going to eat them all. I didn't put them in the fridge. They're going to go off. There's a line between me in the fridge.

And these are for a party later. This horse can't eat moose. Kill the horse. It's on a diet. Kill the horse. Oh, my horse has ate nine mooses. This is the worst thing that's happened today. So you say that he got on the phone.

Yes. Calls his mum. And she's like, have you, taking drugs. Honestly, what's your mom? Like, I call my mum for most things, you know? Like, how do I do anything? Mum, help me. But in this case, honestly, not sure what mum's going to do. Well, it was for a more practical reason than that. So he called his mum Dolly. Dolly. Yes. I love her. He called her because he shares the house with her. Right. And she was home watching the telly less than 100 metres away unaware of the drama unfolding. So he's calling her to be like,

Don't they? Yeah. Stay inside. There's a bit going on out here. When she answered the phone, cop check filled her in on what was a foot. And while shocked with the goings on, the copchecks were not entirely surprised. They had suspected for a while that their neighbour Terry Thompson had kept exotic animals on his property. Terry Thompson, you dog. Though they had never seen them, they could often hear lions roaring in the night. What?

How would he explain? the night is that when lions were all? How would he explain that? That wasn't the part that I was saying what about it wasn't the time of day that he could hear lines. Was it his name Terry Thompson? It's the fact yeah that was it was Terry Thompson but the fact that they could hear lions and went it's a bit odd and then just got on with their days. Well this is probably one of the most shocking things that I've found out while reading this and I'd kind of found this out a little bit from I've got a semi-regular guest on primates he talks about sanctuaries and animal enclosures.

And certain states in America have really lacks exotic animal laws. Ohio is one of those states. Right. You basically don't, or at least at this point, I think what happens has led to some change or some want to change, but you could have exotic animals without even having to tell the government. Like you could just, so at... There's no permits.

No permits. So they basically, there's estimates at how many wild animals are privately owned in Ohio no one actually knows it's hundreds or thousands do they still have collars on them

with their names and phone numbers yes they're all called Fido that's nice they're all got chipped far out okay because I was like surely there's a zoo nearby and something is going down at the zoo that's the weird thing about it

when I said it's called a zoo but it's really like over there they call in certain states they just call roads, they call them roadside zoos or, or basically home backyard zoos. Wow. So it's, it's, what, like here in Australia, the rules are pretty strict about it. Yeah. Yeah, you can't have a lion.

So I'd be quite suss. That's what we live in a nanny state. Yeah. I'd be quiet suss if I could hear a lion roaring at night. I live nowhere near the Melbourne Zoo. Yeah, but they're like, they wake up and they go, oh no, that's right. We live in Ohio. Oh, thank God.

I love this state. It's probably just a while down. So they have suspected that, what was his name? Terry Thompson. Terry Thompson. And also I love that they've suspected. Probably if they asked him, it'd say, yeah. Yeah.

What are you going to do about it? I wonder if, yeah, I'm not sure. Maybe they were playing at Koi when being interviewed after. Was it didn't want to take too much. I don't know. Maybe they're like, yeah, we thought he might have, but it feels like you must have known, right? It was out of sight. Apparently, it's kind of hilly, so they couldn't see it from their property, but they were pretty close by.

So what will he do next? So. You rang Dolly. She's watching Process Riot. Do you can I call, you couldn't call a kid Dolly? Maybe a dog. I think you call a kid Dolly? I don't think I could.

That's fine. We find out what her birth name was in a minute. Oh, that's exciting. Delita. So with this in mind, Dolly Copchak called Thompson to make sure he was okay, but there was no answer. So then she called 911 to report the lion and bear that were on the loose. And according to the GQ report,

she sounded calm when she reported what her son had seen, as though there was really nothing too strange or alarming about a lion and a bear running loose on an October afternoon in Ohio. She was possibly a little rattled though, as she gave her name to the operator as Dolores, which was her name, but she hadn't used it in a long time saying later, I've been called Dolly for 84 years.

Yeah, maybe you just feel like it's more official. Yeah. I do that at the dentist. Maybe she snapped in action. Really, you book under Jessica? I think so. Wow. Maybe not.

It's that figure of authority, a dentist. A dentist. Like, I can't lie to him. He'll need to see my ID. Yeah. No, who cares? Dentists and passport control. But even then, even if I say Jess and then I show them my ID,

they'll probably figure it out. They go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, hang on what's going on here? It's not even like with mine where I have to change letters. You've got Jess and there's just a bit more. Yeah. I've taken off Ikehka. Yeah.

I'm the same. We get rid of Hugh. Yeah, get out of here, Hugh. Get out of you. Dolores. No, I'm going to get a dog and call it Dolly. You can't call your child Dolores, you don't think? No.

Unless Sister Act makes a comeback. Who am I kidding? Sister Wack never left. While Dolly made the call, her son remained trapped in the barn with his horse. He kept a one thing led to another. And 10, about to go off chocolate. So he's set for a little while. He kept a watch on the goings on outside,

and to his quite amazement, more wild animals arrived on the scene. What? How old is he? He's retired. Yes. I think he, from the looks of him, I think it, well, I know Terry Thompson, 62.

Right. I imagine he's in a similar sort of ballpark. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, cool. According to GQ, along came a wolf and a second bear. This one much larger than the first. and there was the lion he had seen before, now pacing back and forth.

Imagine looking at out of crack in your barn and seeing all this. And also a lioness, anxiously scuttering around. And then Copchak said, I saw a tiger. I'm telling you, the lion is bad enough, and the lioness is bad enough. And the wolf is bad and the bear. But don't be around the tiger. The tigers are actually bigger than the lions if they're fully grown. He started snarling, and he went after the horses.

Oh. So, okay, there's got to be other neighbours around as well, right? Like, it's not like it's just those two farms next to each other and then nothing for miles? Yeah, no, there's other stuff around. This is just what's happening at his property. Yeah. So, like, not surely not, if he's got heaps of animals, they're not all going to go to the one place, are they? Or maybe they are.

Or maybe they're attracted to the horses. Like, because most of those are hunting animals. But really. Smell the horse, you go, huh, let's go over there. I think, I think going through the coptack's property is the way out to the rest of the of the... Right. Okay.

So it's kind of like this is the... This radius. And these animals have been locked up some of them for a long time in small, shitty backyard cages. I guess I'm wondering if other neighbours are also like, oh, that's an unusual animal on our property. But yeah, if they have to go through his... Get anywhere else, that's...

Oh my God, there's a giant tortoise outside. Call 9-1-1-1. It's terrifying. It's coming. Very slowly. Please, hurry. I think based on its speed, we've only got three days. until it gets here, please hurry.

We don't even have any chocolate moose supplies. Unless it rains and it creates a puddle, then they'll move heaps faster. He looks angry. He's got a look at his eye. I know you're not meant to look in their eyes. Oh no. Oh no, I looked again.

Now it's really pissed off. At this point, Thompson was still nowhere to be seen, which led to obvious concerns about his safety. If his animals were able to break free, Maybe they had already got to him. I'll talk about that more later. The 911 call led to multiple police officers attending the scene,

including Deputy Jonathan Mary. According to, expecting to find a lion and a bear on the loose. He was surprised to also be greeted by a tiger and two lionesses. Oh, God. As he waited for Dolly Copchak to open the door. Imagine that way to knocking on the door. He got out of the cop car. What are you doing, mate?

Yeah But he's on the On the door on the veranda Waiting for Dolly to come to the door When he spots a large grey roof Running along the road behind Out of the property So he's like

Oh shit I better go see what The wolf's up to So he ran back to his car jumped in and followed the wolf And he walked up So now hang on Dolores is hurt

Dolly's hurt Someone knock at the door I thought she gets the door There's nothing there She's like The animals have learned There's a lion nest there.

Oh, no, they're neck knocking. This is ridiculous. That's a paper bag of flaming lion's shit. There's a little wolf there like, hello, have you got time to speak about Jesus? He was unsure what he was meant to be doing still at this point, whether he should be shooting to kill or what. But I guess there's not heaps of options with a wolf.

So he radioed for instruction. Do I kill it? Do I hit it with the car? What do I do? Earlier at around 5.20pm, Sheriff Matt Lutz was told there were loose animals at the Thompson and Copcheck properties. He'd been called out to Thompson's property in the past because of loose animals, but they were usually horses. So he's heard loose animals at the Thompson property. I'm not particularly stressed.

It's just another bloody day at the Thompson place. Why can't Terry keep his house? At this point, he'd already knocked off for the day. Apparently, he'd already had dinner. Five-20. Oh, God. Is he even 400 years old? I don't think so.

I think he's a pretty young man. What? What are you doing? But he apparently didn't have any plans, so he decided to head over and help out if he could. Oh, I don't have any plans. He's the sheriff as well, so he's the man. Dinner?

Unbelievable. Maybe he did an early shift. Yeah, probably. I only has wanded over hoping for a second meal. If you have to get up super early in the morning, maybe, but even then. Ugh. So it took him 15 minutes to drive over, and in that time, he received increasingly frantic updates about the different animals that were on the loose being spotted.

Needing to instruct his officers on how to deal with them, it didn't take Lutz long to give an answer, knowing there was a nearby apartment, apparently across the, there was kind of a main road on the other side of that, there was an apartment building. Oh, shit. And then within a couple of Ks, there was a school soccer match being played. Oh, my God. So he's going, and he goes, I'm thinking these kids are yelling, you know, excitedly. He's like, what happens if the lions and tigers are drawn to that?

So he's like, in his mind there was no choice. He instructed his officers to shoot to kill. And they shot 20 soccer players that day. Yeah, that. So that the lions wouldn't get to. We've got to put them out of their misery. Sorry, kids. You'll thank me later.

Well, you won't. You won't. Eliminate the food source. That's how you get to the... Yeah, starve them out. Fish rots from the head. It's not relevant, but still, a fun saying. Fish rots from the head.

I don't get it. Think about it. Well, it's not relevant at all here. It'd be hard to get it out of context. But what does it mean? A fish, right? I got that part. I don't know what a head is.

So it just means that things go bad from the top. down. Right. If it bleeds, you can kill it. And you can kill it. Thank you. Cut off the head, the body will die. Now I get it.

Thank you. Thank you, Dave. Good. I'm glad. This guy. Talking about fish. Well, that is scary situation as a sheriff. Yes.

So, yeah, I know, starting with dairy tops. There's more horses out. Yeah. And you're bored because you've already eaten dinner at 520. Well, I'll go how about. Um, so when men. Mary saw that the wolf was heading towards another neighbour's house. He grabbed the rifle out of the boot of his car and pursued the wolf on foot.

Oh my God. After getting the radio confirmation that he could take it down, from 70 metres away, he took this shot, killing it instantly. Great shot. Yeah, one shot. 70 metres, wow. Sorry wolf, though. He went over to...

Sorry, little wolves. Yeah, I know, and this is... This sucks. It is so heartbreaking this story. Yeah. Obviously, I imagine that animal lovers will now be aware that some animals will die. We'll not make it. It's not, it's not super nice.

They weren't upset though when 20 soccer players were shot second ago. They shouldn't be... Playing soccer? Yes, they shouldn't. It's America. Baseball. Come on. Yeah.

What are you playing soccer on a diamond like that? What are doing any sense? Kicking around? Yeah. That's called kickball. Fow ball. Come on. Batter up.

There's no bad. Hats in soccer. What are you doing? He's on first, et cetera. You know, it's confusing. Soon after, Deputy Mary heard on his radio

that some of his police mates had a line surrounded, which is kind of a fun. Yeah. It's kind of fun. Yeah. Hands up, hands up lion. Paws up.

Knowing that he was the only one with a rifle, though, he headed over to them as quick as he could. The other cops would only have their handguns and a shotgun. He knew he was the only, only one with the rifle, which I don't know why that would be, but there's probably rules around it.

And I'm also, and I mean, some of them say later, they're like, there's nothing like this has ever happened anywhere. It'll never happen again. It's like, you can't be trained for it. Yeah. It's, it's so full on. As he drove over to help them, he found another deputy running up and back near the driveway to Thompson's property. So I'm going to see what was going on. He reached for his rifle but it snagged on something so he left it and went to investigate like that feels like what the rifle just got stuck on something he's like oh i don't have time i'll go in i've still got my handgun in the film version of that it would like pause on the rifle and zoom in on it just to just so you know in the background he's running off yeah i mean the fact that it's mentioned yeah you did that moment

oh no according to gq that was when he saw the black bear at first facing him and then running straight towards him. Oh, no. He pulled out his Glock, which I think is his handgun. Yeah. Not the weapon you'd want when you're facing down 350 pounds of charging bear. And he says to black bear. Yeah.

Because for some reason I know the rhyme. It was brown. Lie down. It was black. Fight back. Right. Well, he obviously had that rhyme with his one. They're the ones where you're supposed to like act big and make a lot of things.

Yeah, yeah. It's just sort of intimidate them. But a brown bear, I believe, they, if you play, they think you're dead. they'll think you're no longer a threat. Do grizzlies count as brown? Yeah, right? They're brown, aren't they? We shouldn't go to America.

I've changed my mind. Oh, this is terrifying. We don't have bears here, do we? Just drop bears. Yeah, I need to drop bears. Coala bears. You should definitely fight back because those things. You were telling me recently, I think Dave or Jess that pandas aren't bears.

Dave was saying that, yeah. That blew my mind. Well, technically not related to those other bears. Right. Pandas aren't bears eyes. Yeah, that's what I... I mean, koalas aren't. No, I know koalas on them.

They're mussepules. It annoys me when people say, uh, koala bears. I haven't heard anyone say it for a long time. I did just say it, but that was. I have not heard a real person say it for a long time. Well, don't. If you're out there. I know it sounds cute, but they're not bears.

They're just koalas. Yeah. Matt, do go on. Okay. You'll come around, like, you know how you used to find, I don't know when people said Melbourne. I know you're fine with it. No, I don't mind it.

It's going to be the same with koala bears. Yeah. I'm allowed to evolve and change and grow. Well, you would hate this. You know how Brisbane Football Club used to be the Brisbane Bears? Yeah. Their mascot was a koala. Oh, no.

That was in the 90s. Come on. No good. Anyhow. Just to stop the tweets, a grizzly bear is a North American brown bear. Right. So lie down if you see a brown bear. Yeah.

But a black one. Brown lie down, black color. I believe that is true. Do not take any of that advice. on please Google your own advice Dave yes thank you also put yourself in a take bear spray that's what I always say bear spray and that's a real thing yeah yeah I think it's more effective than a gun what do you mean at like it they hated or something spray it at them yeah yeah and they hate it so much that like I think with a gun I

don't know if we're about to find this out but you can shoot a handgun at a charging bear like six times and it's just gonna there's a possibility that it'll just keep keep going because they're so big. But they don't like the smell of something. Yeah. We have paused at a real tense moment. Sorry. I know, sorry.

So a bear is charging at him. A bear's charging out of him. A black bear. He's, he gets off one shot. And that was enough. What? He hit the target.

He shot himself in the head. It dropped. It was charging on him and it dropped on the ground six meters from him. Oh my God. So everything I just said is completely untrue. Well, He still doesn't know where exactly the bullet landed, but he assumes it's in its brain. He just knocked it dead.

Whoa. And then this following paragraph, which is from the article, sums up what Mary got up to in the following hours. It's hectic. After he shot the black bear, Mary went back for his rifle. An African lioness crawled under the livestock fence and ran south down the road, then headed towards someone's home so he shot her before she could go further then he turned back intending to deal with the black bear and a tiger along the roadway oh my god but he was distracted by a cougar heading south so he followed the cougar into another driveway where he met a male african line coming the other way

he shot the line while some other deputies shot the cougar soon he was instructed to patrol the border between the thompson property and interstate 70 and over the evening he shot another wolf two more lines, a tiger and later on after its hiding place was revealed by a fireman's thermal imaging camera, a grizzly bear. I don't think I've ever been to a professional zoo with that many big cats. Yeah. Yeah. This is just some dude's house.

I, okay, I obviously don't hope that something's happened to Terry, but it sounds like it might have. But also, imagine if this entire time he's just asleep. He's also watching the process right. Yeah, he's just hanging out and he has no idea all these animals. animals are out and all that's so many animals yes that is insane I it just sounds like getting a dog at some point in the next two ish years yeah don't jump in about it yeah a lot of responsibility you know I got a bit of travel to do

in that time so where will the dog be wait until you know like it takes a lot yeah but he's got lions and tigers and bears. Wow. I really thought Dave would go with me on that, so thanks Matt. Sorry, I was just, I'm just distracted by how crazy this is. It's insane. I'm just thinking about how it's like Jurassic Park.

That's all I'm thinking. Just the way that's written as well. It feels like a video game or somebody's like following a line. Actually, I better take that cougar first. Yeah. Oh, that's going the other way. There's a bear over there. There's a bear in there.

That's so terrifying. And yeah, like. These poor animals. should never have been in this situation. Yeah. That's the thing. Like, it is so sad that they're being shot. But,

but, like, what are they supposed to do in this situation with an apartment block across the road? You need, like... Nighttime coming quickly. And I'm, I'm sure all police cars are fully equipped with tranquilizer guys in a whole time. Yeah, you need, like a Sam Neal or a Chris Pratt to be like, no, don't kill them.

Yeah. That's what you need. Like, you need, like, proper animal control, I suppose or people better equipped to do it in a much safer, more humane way. But at the same time, you don't have the time for them to get there because this is insane and should not have happened. I mean, they were, I'll get to that soon, but the proper animal people were called.

But yeah, it's a timing thing as well. But you don't have them in like every town, do you? You know, they were like in a major zoo miles away. Yeah. They're not just like, oh, yeah, I'm just around the corner. I'll pop down with all the equipment that we need to do this safely, that nobody gets hurt and the animals are all fine. They're like, no worries, I've already eaten dinner, so you can come around anytime.

It also means, like, with that many on the loose, it's just not really possible. Yeah. Because, you know, if it's one, then you can contain it, maybe you can make that work. The animals are outnumbering the people trying to catch them. A long way. A long way. Even getting like fire involved. and getting any emergency services that you absolutely can, anyone,

the animals are outnumbering you. Oh, man, wild. The first officer on the scene was Sergeant Steve Blake. And while Mary was beshuing the wolf, which I talked about earlier, Blake headed up to Thompson's house to see if you could find out what was going on. As he drove up, he saw many more animals on the loose, and also that the cages had either been forced open, cut open or just left open. a man named John Moore arrived around this time.

He worked with Thompson, helping him feed the animals. And Moore took Blake to the house, where they found two monkeys and a dog in small birds cages. So a lot of these animals are in just inadequately sized. Like, I imagine all of them were in inadequately sized cages. Moore did some mental arithmetic, eventually figuring out that there were over 50 wild animals on the loose. Just because he knew how many he fed.

It's funny that he didn't just know how many animals there were there, but I guess he had to subtract the ones that were still in cages as well. They headed back out to the road when Moore spotted a body near the barn being eaten by a white tiger or seemingly being... A white tiger? Yeah, that's really rare. It was too dangerous for them to get any closer. I mean, just the tiger's rare, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah, true. But the white ones, they are rare, aren't they, the white ones? Yeah, I think they're particularly rare. There's one at Dream World. when I was 12 and its name was Taj, which now feels maybe a little, you know, anyway. Having a tiger at a theme park.

There's a roller coaster. There's an endangered animal. But I liked Taj, so I got a little toy of it, so I had a little white tiger toy. Oh, man. I remember my sister actually, we went to Dream World as well, and she had a white tiger hat. Oh, okay.

It was a trucker cap. Very early on. Corey had a bit of time, yes. Yeah, now the trucker hats are taking the world by storm. That's right. Well, a few years after that they did, and now they are extremely uncool again. That's why, my sister, wearing that white tiger trucker cat. I love to see a graph of when trucker hats are in.

It'd be a real roller coaster. In Australia. In Australia, it was about 2004 to 2005. Yeah. That has plummeted since. That's the last time they've been in. That's a while. They might be due.

What a cool now. We should buy in. Yeah, let's get two gone trucker caps. Yeah. 65 kilometres away, the staff at the Columbus Zoo were alerted to the unfolding events. This is the people you were saying should have been brought in. So hang on, let's just... Proper Zoo.

Circle back two seconds. Well, I was a long one of that, but there's a body. Yes. So we assume that's probably Terry. Well, they weren't able to get close to it. They can't get close, but... Because the White Tiger was literally on top of it. That's disgusting.

But are we assuming that, Dave? Are we assuming it's Terry? I assumed. that I was Terry. Yeah. But I'm happy to have you've proven wrong. I'd love that to be a twist, but I'm guessing that's probably Terry. But you'll get to that.

Was that a bear wearing? Is that a bear wearing a man's suit? I don't know what that was? I can't see it. That's a great twist. And then the tiger's like, great a human. The bear's like, no, no, I'm one of you. Yeah, bad time for him to debut his new human.

We've been working on this for months, secretly in my tiny cage. Here I come. They get onto the people at the zoo. Yes, so we're at 65K as always. So that's, you know, a bit of a journey. The staff of the Columbus Zoo were alerted to the unfolding events. If you're driving at 65Ks an hour, it'll take you an hour to get there. Wow.

That's right. For example. At the time, they were holding a cocktail party for the International Rhino Foundation. The zoo's chief operating officer, Tom Schaff, remembers. One of our vets came into the cocktail area, and you could see the panic on her face. She said, we have to go. Terry Thompson's animals are out. As he was relatively new to the zoo,

Sulf was unfamiliar with Thompson, but others, including the zoo's director of animal health, Dr Michael Barry, was very familiar with Thompson and his home zoo. But his next-door neighbours suspected he had animals, but everybody else is totally aware that he... Well, the animal experts at an actual zoo have been to his place. I'm just saying, Terry should be a little more open and vulnerable.

Right, and do you think to... Let people in. Are we literally there's some sort of private zoo for fun, Or is he making money out of this? I do believe he was making some money out of it as well. Right, yeah. But I don't have money. You're going to pay for 50 wild animals.

Yeah, they're always worth multiple thousands of dollars. How he's keeping them. Absolutely. I don't agree with having them at all. Yeah, they're incredibly expensive. Yeah, just logistically, that is a, unless he's some sort of crazy millionaire. I think it's the opposite. I think he's in a lot of debt.

Right. Stop buying animals. There you go. Done. It's expensive habit. You never thought of it. Sell them to people who can look after them properly. There you go.

You're fine. So Dr. Michael. Barry was very familiar with them. And this is in part, because in 2008, he'd been to Thompson's property as part of an ATF raid, the ATF in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. We've talked about a few times there. I'd never heard of them a year ago. I think this is the third report I've done with.

They've come up in. Barry was there. How many of they got the CIA, the FBI, the ATF, DEA. NCIS, CSI. JAG. Oh, don't forget. How can we forget JAG? Is it JAG?

Is it stamp for something? I think so. Yeah. Justice and guns. Yeah. They're cool. That is sick. NTIS was a spin-off of JAG.

Do you know that? I did not know that. There you go. Wow. The more you know, the more bored you are. What's they always say? You know, the more you think that's a bad idea for a show. Yep.

It got made. So Barry was there. It was a part of that raid to inspect the animals in their living conditions. And he was horrified at what he saw. Oh, no. In terms of animal cruelty, cleanliness and the level of security. Oh. So I guess he, yeah, he must have been like, I kind of warned you about this.

But this is several years later. So nothing was done between that? No action was taken. As Thompson committed to improving his facilities. That's awful. But he was charged with gun offenses. Apparently had over 100 on the pre. property and he was sentenced to a year in prison.

That sentence, as it turns out, ended only weeks before this night that we're talking about. Right. So he's just freshly out of jail. So who's been looking after the animals in the meantime? His wife? Okay. Teresa Thompson. Marion.

He's suspiciously like him. Yeah. He's in a wig. Hello. Who's in jail? He's still doing both? Like that Mrs. Deppi is seen in the restaurant.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, Warden, one second. I've just got out of my nose. He escapes every time. And it's always different escape attempt. It turns out prison's surprisingly easy to escape. Especially if you dress up as a woman and then just walk out the front gate. Goodbye.

They're like his zoo, the security is like we'll put him in a, kind of like a human jail version. of your own backyard. They do backyard jails there. Little cages. Bars wide enough to squeeze out from. So the team at the Columbus Zoo assembled all their top people and armed them with tranquilizer dark.

Most of them have had like six martinis already at the cocktail party. No one can drive. They're all in taxis. Well, please don't me they're still in taxis. That'd be fantastic. As far as I know. Cannot deny it.

So they all jumped in the van and headed out to Zanesville. Back of the property, Thompson's helper, John Moore, was filling Deputy Jeff Lecoq in on something that would end up being used as some sort of explanation for what triggered the events. Moore recounted talking to Thompson the night before at around 9pm. Thompson had received an anonymous letter whilst in prison, suggesting that his wife Marion had been unfaithful while he was behind bars. And according to Deputy Lecoq, that's when Terry actually goes to Moore and asks him about Marion having cheated on him while he was in prison. And his answer to the way I recall was he didn't know whether she did or didn't. And then Terry makes this statement back to him.

Well, I have a plan to find out and you will know when it happens. Okay, so this is some sort of investigation. I release the animals. I don't understand. I think he was probably trying to do something else. and then this happened. Well, what was he trying to do? Yeah, I don't understand.

I don't understand. I'm guessing that it's... You'll know. I mean, it's definitely... Something's happened and you'll know, but it feels like I don't think he... Yeah. Will I know because you'll text me about it or... I don't think he was in a good way, Terry.

No, it doesn't sound like it. He's probably in a worse way now. Yes. With so many animals are still on the loose. the officers formed a shooting party. Oh, that sounds like a fun party. Sergeant Blake drove a Ute or a truck or, you know, like American Uts, whatever they call. Pickup.

Pick up, yes, with four shooters sitting in the tray, including Deputy Tony Angelo, a sniper on the SWAT team with a bolt action rifle, deputy Ryan Paisley with a 9mmet submachine gun. This is a big game hunter's dream. I know if you were a hunter, you're right, you'd be like, all right, Imagine if you were like a secret hunter. You know it's bad, so you're like... Yeah, you'd be like, oh, and I can...

I'm actually being a hero as well. That's right, yeah, this machine gun I'm going to use on a bear. Imagine if someone was like, don't worry, they're not a police officer, but they're like, I can help. I'm a big buck hunter. I've got the high score of big buck hunter. Go check the pub. I've got all the records.

I'm A-A-A-A. No, I'm A-S-S. I'm F-U-K. I'm a real ass, man. So did I get through all those names? It doesn't really matter. Deputy J. Lawhorn and Deputy Todd Knavel, who's from the drug squad. Oh, evil canavel.

And they both had assault rifles. Aval canavel. And they had what sort of weapon, sorry? Assault rifles. Okay. There were car, wrecks and other junkstrued all over the property as well. That is like it's set up for shooting. Yeah.

Yeah. But also given the animals plenty of places to, sort of hide ducking in between and avoid being seen. Was there also mines on the ground? Yes, there were mines. And zombies? Yep. Zombie lions?

Yeah, there were zombie lions. As they drove up to the barn, two tigers ran out of the barn towards them. They were taken by surprise, but they were still able to get shots off and kill those tigers as well. Our mate in the barn, we've rescued him earlier. Not mentioned since. Okay. So we don't know. Oh my God.

According to the GQ article, from where they were, they could see the man's body again. The same one we saw really. Still flat on its back and the white tiger was atop him. Still? Yeah. Has it been a while? It's been a little while. Yeah.

Canaver reported back to the sheriff that whether the body was Thompson's or someone else's, it was deceased. and at 604 so yeah maybe maybe not a full hour there's a little bit of time has passed Lutz shared his information on the police radio saying okay we have located the owner code 16 dead on arrival okay that's what code 60 means yeah possible 58 which is a suicide unknown for sure on that and that's that body you've just mentioned yeah so they have identified as the owner yeah it's Terry yep so I was right yeah in that very obvious leap that made but I just want to know. I just need this validation that I was right.

You were right. I've been, I said it you're an investigative journalist. Yeah. You get the facts. Yeah. And then I get to do a sweet fist pump when I get it right. Every time. Every time. The article goes on to say that...

Jess's article? Oh yes. Sorry. That was all the five of them could learn for now because they were urgently redeployed to the southern end of the property where some cats had been spotted readying to cross the boundary fence. Before that, they had to deal with the male African line that managed to run between some junk cars after the first shot. As they moved towards other escapies, they spread over the hillside.

They used the truck to give themselves elevation, trying to engage the animals from 70 to 100 yards away, firing on them two at a time until they went down. Is it light at this time? No, I think it might be, I believe it's into the night time. That is scary. It's like 6pm. That is scary stuff. Yeah, it's beyond 6 now.

So it's getting... Yeah, if it's not... Wait, October in America, what's that? What's it here? It's spring. Spring. So it's their autumn. Fall.

Fall. Fall. So maybe it's... It might not be pitch black, but it's getting dark. Yeah. And that's scary. It's not ideal. Dust cuts hunting time.

You know what? It's perfect. Like Australian summer. It's not dark until like 9pm. You've got heaps of time. You're a bit hot. Oh, you're a bit hot. Yeah, no, you're right.

A European summer. And they're out in the back of the Ute. Yeah, hot. And lions are used to that, so they've got an advantage of it. They're fine. They're just sunbaking. Yeah, you're right. I fucked up there.

This is... You want them in the snow? Yes. Apart from the polar bear. Yeah. Now the penguins have got you right whether they want you. Canarval's tactic was to shoot for the head a couple of times and then move onto the body and keep putting rounds into it.

Oh. So I don't know why. I'd put that in necessarily. It was more for the following quote. He's explaining that, but then he said, I was sick shooting these animals because they didn't ask to be there. And I'm a cat person. Yeah, no, they absolutely shouldn't be there.

Yeah, these are completely innocent animals, but... Just sort of wanted to make it clear that I don't think these cops are enjoying themselves. No one's having a good time doing this. They have to protect the children playing soccer. Yes. people just enjoying their lives in the apartment building across the road. Yeah. That is wild.

And Terry is not a good person. And you should not have had all of those. You shouldn't have one of them. You shouldn't have one tiger. Do you want I mean? Not even one. Not one. Are you the nanny from nanny?

I know you've always wanted to be the nanny. The nanny. The nanny state. Great choice. That would be. Actually, I'm coming around to this nanny state, I do. Fran? Mr.

Sheffield. Miss Fine. You should wear this when you go outside. All right, now he stayed. And the pubs all, they're closing at 2 a.m. By the time the team at the Columbus Zoo arrived, the police told them it wasn't safe for them

to try and tranquilize any animals. According to the BBC, Jack Hanna, a former director of Columbus Zoo, are you familiar with Jack Hanna? The name? I thought of John Hanna, and then I realized of John Hanna.

A different man. He's so weird looking, but I'd 100% go there. He's extremely charming. Oh, he's awesome. Oh, he's the Scottish guy? It took me a while to figure him out. Four weddings and a funeral. Reed's Funeral Blues, my favourite poem.

Also, the mummy, Brandon Fraser. Yes, is that too. The brother Jonathan. Sliding doors. He's a charming friend. Well, this is Jack Hanna. Ah. His older, even more charming brother.

He's quite famous. I'm very familiar with him because of his regular appearances on Letterman back. in the day. Oh, he's like an animal expert. Yeah, he'd bring in animals and he was really enthusiastic. This makes me think. He's like the American, uh, Steve Irwin. He was the, I imagine the guy that I was in parodied on the Simpsons.

Probably. It's like, uh, the eagle flies under crusty's head. Oh, she must think you have her eggs. I only ate one. Um, so, uh, he was interviewed soon after all this because of his, you know, he was a, connected to the Columbus Sioux. Apparently it's basically the face of it. If you go to Columbus Zoo,

Jack Hannah's pictures on everything. But he said tranquilizing animals in the dark was incredibly dangerous and told reporters that the sheriff did the right thing. What? Okay. Any reason why? Yeah.

Hannah also supported the shoot-to-kill order despite it being criticized by others. You cannot tranquilize an animal like this. A bear or a leopard or a tiger at night, said Hannah. If you do that, the animal gets very excited. It goes and hides. And then we have police officers in danger of losing their life and other people. It takes 10 minutes for it to kick in.

Right. And in that time, they've gone off and hidden somewhere. Yep. And, I mean, there's a bear coming at you. Yeah. 10 minutes is not quick enough for it to try. And then you've got to find, what, 50 animals, you get 50 cages and stuff. It's hard to get the dose right.

You've also got to, apparently you've got to go, basically you've got to be there with them to make sure it's all going right. Wow, okay. So it's just. So the only reason they actually use that would be in terms of like transporting them elsewhere or? Or if it was one, just because it's so hectic. I just don't think it was a possible thing to do. So they were right to just. And people.

And a lot of people have said that. They're like, why weren't they tranquilizing these animals? This is fucked up. And then people like Jack Hanna coming out and saying, no, they're really. really didn't have any option. Helped with the PR of it all a little bit. People were like, well, if Jack Hanno, he's like clearly, it's famously an animal lover and expert.

Far out. At this point, the white tiger had moved away from the body and the members of the shooting party were able to get up close to it and confirm it was Thompson. Not far from the body, they found bolt cutters and a gun. He had appeared to have died from a gunshot to the head. they also found bits of raw chicken around the body and Tom Staff from Columbus who sees or saw that as an indication

that he wanted the animals to eat him so it's kind of like a full on I think he sounds like he died of food poisoning The other raw chicken Undercooked Wow what are you doing Salmonella the quiet killer So the theory there is that

Well he shot himself in the vicinity of raw chicken To attract them and then get eaten After he'd presumably Let him all out out. Yeah. And he was reading a lot of comments on under different videos about and stuff. And there were these arguments about tranquilising.

And then others saying it just wasn't possible. And then other people just really angry at him. They're like, he let him out. He's smart enough to know that they were going to, those animals were going to get killed. Yeah. And they're not all going to come for you and then go back to their cages. Like they're going to endanger. everyone around you and it seems like there are a lot of people around you and whatever happened

eventually these animals that you supposedly love because apparently you know he was an animal lover as well he shows it in a weird way by keeping him in pretty full on conditions but people like how he he must have known that those they're all going to end up killed but also not to get too deep but if you're in a state of mind where you're going to take your own life you don't necessarily think about. Yeah, of course. Well, I mean, I'm just talking about these are comments on the internet, so they're not always super rational.

And they're completely normal thoughts to have. He's clearly done the wrong thing. I think we can probably all agree on that. Keeping the animals in the first place, the terrible conditions, and then letting him out with neighbours. And he would know that there's an apartment building, that there's a football field nearby. That's extremely dangerous. Totally.

He's definitely fucked up. You'd know that this was the fate of your animals as well. And, yeah. And it's one of those, that's that weird thing where it's like, everything he did until that point was legal with these animals. Which is insane. And also that they'd raided the house for something completely different. And it had been reported that the conditions the animals were in were terrible.

And nothing was done. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess it's just they just don't have any, they don't have the laws to enforce if there's no laws. Sounds like he was, he was lucky not to have had it shut down, but. But if it had been, then this would never happen. If you go, oh, I reckon 50 animals is too many,

and also you're not keeping them in good conditions, then this wouldn't happen now. His house was squalid as well. It stank, and it was just, it was, yeah, it all, none of this is nice. But then I just don't understand the point of having all those animals. Yeah, I'm not sure, I'm not sure. It makes no sense.

It does feel it's like one of those things I imagine it started with one and it just... Yeah. I did read, I think, much later in the... Much like tattoos, you know. In the GQ thing. Yeah, I was thinking of it was all. Apparently, he was in Vietnam and he befriended a monkey there and that might have been where his love of wild animals started.

The monkey said I can hook you up. Yeah, what do you want? You want a tiger? He opens his jacket. Monkeys wearing a jacket. Love the idea of befriending a monkey. I like the idea of my friend monkey wearing a jacket. That is nice.

How is a jacket? Like a trench coat. No, like a smoking jacket. Like Hugh Haffner style. Wow. Silk. That's a fancy monkey. Yeah.

That is a fancy monkey. Yeah. As the night went on, so did the killings. Again, it's from Q. Encounters with animals that would normally have been remembered for a lifetime were forgotten moments later as the next came along. That's the thing that blow us. imagine you go I was face to face with a bear normally that's someone's big life story I'll tell this for the rest of my life the guys the cops on this night were having that story every

every couple of minutes you'd forget I'd forget how many animals you'd say yeah or shot I should say somehow no one was hurt what even mr. cop check forgotten in his barn safely managed to make his way unescorted back to his house at nightfall that is I imagine making the break for it. Yeah. Again, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have the courage. I'd be eating that chocolate moose.

Yeah. And waiting. I feel like I'd probably feel inclined to sleep there for the night. But yeah, it was about 100 metres. I wouldn't feel safe. It's a pretty long run. To 100 meters with animals that like can... Can pounce very...

They just collect... And move in the dark. Yeah. Better eyesight than you, presumably. And smell. Maybe it was riding red. Yeah, Red can do it. I'd have Dolly waiting for it on the porch with a gun.

Just rode it through a wall to get inside. Oh no, we've left quite a big entry point. Given the situation, the GQ article goes on, given the situation 50 animals, mostly large and potentially aggressive carnivores, set loose towards the day's end, things could have gone much worse. That is a miracle, not one slips.

But you don't know how many there are. It's dark now. one could easily just slink off into the night. Yeah. A tiger or a lion. As a way of making sure all animals were accounted for, the officers started laying out the deceased animals in order of species. A photo of this heartbreaking site was taken anonymously

and would go on to become kind of the most seen image of the whole event. It was in newspapers all around the world the following days. Wow. I am surprised I haven't heard of this. Maybe the photo does ring a bell. Maybe I say, but it is, yeah, it is just, you know, a photo full of huge, beautiful animal bodies. Far out. Beautiful animal bodies is a weird way to put that.

Beautiful, bodies are beautiful animals. Yes, thank you. But it does make sense for them to do that and count it out and be like, yeah, okay, we've got them all. Yeah, because otherwise you're like, oh shit, we're missing her. The zoo team returned the following morning now with their most famous members at Jackana. still wearing tuxedos? Ah, yes. Camouflage toxas.

Yeah, they went back to the party. They were drinking martinis in between. Hannah was debriefed by the sheriff and afterwards was interviewed by media over and over again about the events, giving his opinion that the police had no alternative. According to GQ, this probably made all the difference. Hannah was a trusted animal advocate,

and as he emotively articulated his pain of the deaths that had taken place, his unequivocal insistence that the sheriff's department had no other option than to act as they did served as a powerful antidote to the other obvious narrative that a thoughtless small town law enforcement brigade had murdered dozens of noble beasts because they were too dumb and trigger-happy to think of a better alternative. Yeah. Because there weren't that many of them out there trying to, I want to say capture the animals.

They weren't capturing them, but stop them. Far out, this is wild. It shouldn't, it's, yeah. Yep, okay. You know, people, like, we've got a non-Ohoyan American listeners who will occasionally get in contact to make fun of how boring Ohio is. How are there so many of these stories that come out of Ohio? Yeah, and all these famous people.

Yes, so many famous people. It was like, oh, wow, they spent their childhood or at least a part of it in Ohio. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's a cool state. Second only to Vermont. Well, it's number one for me. Jess, where's your number one state?

You got the deciding vote. Well, you can pick a third state of you like. Good luck. I can't think of the line. Damn it. Do you have a... California. Oh, the popular vote.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm with the cool kids. You are. Sorry, I just had a micro sleep. Indiana's number two for me. Oh, Porny, Indiana. And Gary. Where does Vermont sit on your list?

Because Ohio's number two for me. All I know about them is that they have those whoopey ice cream. Creamies. creamy ice creams. I look forward to getting there. I mean, I've never been to Ohio or Indiana, but they are one and two so far. But you have been to Vermont?

I haven't been to Vermont. I've been to California, New York, New Jersey, Texas. Louisiana. Have you been to New Orleans? Louisiana, I've been to New Orleans. Where's Yellowstone Park? You know, Yellowstone Park? Yeah.

Yeah. That's where I saw a bear and I saw a... Moose? So having a bit of moose. I had my top four and I got three of the four. I saw an elk. I drove through a herd of buffalo. Wow.

Not drove through and they surrounded up. It sounded like you killed a lot of Boston. I was driving and they got around me. Get around me! And an elk but yeah, never saw the moose. So the moose is still the dream. What about Vegas? Nevada.

Nevada. Yeah. into Vegas. So is it Wyoming maybe? I went to Jackson Hole. Where's Jackson Hole? Yeah, Wyoming. That is the least popular state.

Is it really? Yeah. Second. Well, it makes Vermont second. No kidding. Well, that was a fun detour, as just said. I think that means I've been an eight, so I've got 42 to go. Nice.

The final body count was 49 animals. though there was also one macaque that remains unaccounted for with the belief I'd like to think that it's gone on to bigger and better things they think it was eaten by one of the big cats oh that would be yeah if that happened you wouldn't have any evidence of it yeah

without cutting up all the all the cats oh yeah I guess so it wouldn't leave anything behind I don't know yeah depends on how big it was I guess oh gross they decided to

bury the animals there on the property. A digger was brought in and a whole 30 feet deep was created before the animals were unceremoniously dumped in. And then the dirt just heat back over. Plenty deep. It was hard for staff to watch. This is from Columbus Zoo. Yeah. Saying our role in life is to care for animals and to educate and inspire people about these great creatures.

And to see them piled in the mud, it was just a bad day, you know. The master of the understatement. The autopsy on Thompson's body pointed to suicide by gunshot. It also mentioned that he had some lacerations around his head and neck, probably from that white tiger. The other notable thing here, apologies, if this is too gruesome, wasn't sure if I should add it or not, but his dick had been eaten clean off.

Oh. I mean, who ate it? Don't you fucking regret face us? Clean off. Yeah. Really? Was that self-inflicted? Or as Chris Heath writes in the GQ article,

by the time the body was recovered, no part of his external genitalia remained. Where there should have been, there was nothing but a raw gap. That was Terry Thompson's final grotesque parting gift. Have he rubbed raw chicken? A last meal for one of his animals. Sometime before it too met its death by bullet

on that sad night of October 18, 2011, near Zanesville, Ohio. I wonder why it went for the dick. Yeah, it pretty much. Everything else was untouched. Was he naked? Was he wearing crotchless chaps and they were just flapping in the breeze? I can't imagine that that would be like, if, let's say humans, let's say there was like, we were bred for meat, like cows are or something.

I don't think that would be a nice bit of meat. Do you know what I mean? Chewy. Speak for yourself. I'll be feeding families for weeks. It'd be thighs, right? That'd be where they'd be weird. Thighs, the bum?

No, that's a bit musily. Yeah, I imagine the dick would be very chew, yeah. It'd be like a, the French would probably love it, you know, it'd be one of those delicacy things. Like a snail or a frog. Or maybe like the belly. Belly? Maybe. Yeah.

Yeah. That's like, yeah, there's a bit of meat around there. Anyway, not, you wouldn't, why, I mean, you could have any part of him. He's dead, he's got raw chicken around him. This is what he wants. Why are you eating the dead? dick. I mean, this tiger is clearly not a gourmet eater.

It did seem strange. Well, it sounds like maybe it is a gourmet eater. You think it was a French tiger? Maybe. Oh, we. Oh. Or ro, raw, raw. There were a few animals that remained in cages,

and one of, there was also a bear remained, and they ended up being taken to the Columbus Zoo. At the time, it's like a breakout scene in a movie, when one, prisoner gets out and the other's like let me out let me out let me out let me out the bear would be like begging and seeing its friends go and thinking oh I would like to get out too ended up being the safest place for that bear and didn't you say when they first got there there was a couple of monkeys and yeah and a dog and a dog that's right yeah so I think um his wife returned and she was pretty emotional when they're being taken away I mean all of

it obviously was full on but um she was like please don't don't take my babies away. Well, what, we, I mean, like, look what happened. Yeah. What do you mean, don't take them away? And did they take them away? You shouldn't have been allowed to have them in the first place. Then, in 2008, when they came and said, oh, these animals are in terrible conditions,

they definitely should have been taken away then. And now they've gotten out and had to all be hunted. And you're like, oh, no, please let me keep it. Like, no. Yeah. No, you don't get to keep it. Apparently, she sang a lullaby to one of the monkeys and, they were like we don't think you should take them out of the cage she's like no it'd be fine

like she was she said i think she said that um the eldest uh female monkey or maybe it was the macaque they would share she shared a bed with for quite a while so like she was super really close close and comfortable with them and and it was all fine but yeah it's pretty all of it is awful it's yes it's a odd, all of it's a bit odd. It's not what I was expecting when you said massacre. You were thinking it's going to be humans. Yeah. Yeah.

And no, no, it is a fascinating story. That is an amazing story. Truly exhilarating story. There was a, maybe, I don't know if it's worth saying this, but this is, a local Zanesville resident was quoted in the BBC article. His name was Bill Weiser, and he was asked about Mr Thompson, Terry Thompson. and he described him as a colourful character who flew planes, race boats

and owned a custom motorcycle shop which also sold guns. He was pretty unique, Weister told AP. He had a different slant on things. I never knew him to hurt anybody and he took good care of the animals. So I don't know if his...

I don't know how he came to that opinion but it sounds like he didn't take great care of the animals. Yeah. But it was interesting that he was a colourful character. It wasn't the guy I was picturing like this plane flying boat racing man but yeah it's just uh he was so he was um they they bugged him you know before those raids and they were worried that he was he was a danger he talked about sort of terrorist leaning ideas and stuff right i just had a shitload of guns

yeah so yeah it's all i mean what a just a crazy crazy story yeah it's insane i just a What purpose? What's the point in having all of those animals? I don't, I don't know. I guess it's, yeah, it's like a collection of anything. I'm guessing it does sound like they genuinely loved them. Yeah. In their way.

I'm sure he would tell you that they did, yeah. So I'm guessing that's, yeah. And like, I think she was saying like, I think it was reading that when Marian, his wife was saying, don't take my babies. She was like, I bought one of them for 30. I think he said 30 grand. So I don't, like, it's just, I don't. Like, it's just, I don't know where the money comes from. But then I also did read, you were asking if they made money out of it.

I didn't read a lot about that, but I did read that in 2008, Heidi Klum used one of their lion cubs in a photo shoot. Oh. Yeah. That lion went on to escape that day. Yeah, I guess it probably did. And she went on to Mary Seal. So there you go. Actually, then divorce deal.

Yeah. Yeah, well, that is the end of my report. Matt, that was an amazing story. I'm surprised that only one person suggested that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm one Australian person suggested. Yeah, thank you very much.

But yeah, like I say, there'll be a few links, but the GQ article, if you are interested, there's a whole second section, which is about this sort of unknown world of private zoos in America, especially in Ohio. he does like a quite in-depth investigation and he visits a lot of them to find out more and then there's a third chapter which tries to get more into the mind of Terry. Sounds amazing.

I do remember reading an unfact-checked possible fun fact recently and that is that in Texas because they also have the laps laws that there are more tigers in that state than anywhere else in the entire world. Really? Because they have so many people with their own private collection.

Right. I don't know. Again, un fact-checked. But it was one of those internet things. I was like, whoa. It's another thing that Jack Hanna said was so sad was kind of there's, like, having to watch these tigers get shot, knowing that there's, I think, you know, they're critically endangered. Yeah, there's not many. So it's, yeah, it would add an extra level of sadness to it all. Ohio. That's incredible. So I wonder if those

Or did you say this already If those laws have changed Oh I think that definitely is movement for it to change I don't know how much they've changed I would be surprised if they are exactly the same Yeah But yeah maybe others would know Let us know if anyone listening has an exotic animal

Do you have a tiger or a line? How common is it? Well that brings us to I always thought it was cool if like I found out a friend had a goat or something. Goats are cool. There was no one I knew personally as a child because we lived in suburban Melbourne.

But like friends who I know now who are like, oh yeah, we had a goat or a goose or something. I'm like, that is fucking wild. I'm impressed if people have a Dalmatian. Yeah. You don't see many of them. Yes. A friend of mine has two. Two.

Whoa. Pretty rare. Crazy. Sorry, Matt. I cut you off there. I just think this is wild. No, that's all right. I was just going to kick into the fact quota question statement.

But I was also going to say that it's, um, you. You might not have heard of Zanesville, Ohio, which I hadn't either, but it's not looking at photos of it, it isn't it? It's not like it's a tiny country town. It's like a fair city. It's a city. So obviously, you know, his property was just on the outskirts there, but it is... But not far out. I mean, if there's so much, there's still such a, it's a populated area.

Yeah, I think in that, apparently in the Zanesville, Micropolitan, how would, what am I hitting wrong there? How do you say that word? Yeah, I guess he's saying it like cosmopolitan. Yeah, micropolitan. It's probably the metropolitone would be the big version of that. Yeah. So it's 86,000 in that area. So it's a decently sized place.

Anyhow, so that brings us to the fact, quote or question segment of the show. And that's where you get to give a factor quote or a question. If you're on the Sydney-Shineberg deluxe Memorial, rest in peace level of our Patreon, which you can do at patreon.com slash do-go-on pod. And if you support the show, you can get a whole bunch of different things like bonus episodes. Two a month. You can vote on topics like people did today. In fact, the Sydney-Shimeberg group specifically voted on this topic.

Was this a landslide because it's such a cool, like, I say cool again, like crazy sounding. No, there were, it were won by a vote. Wow. Those people really change the show. Like, it's amazing how often that one comes down to one vote, but that was, came down to one vote. Which is frustrating because it means I have to delay my research. I'm like watching this going on. Oh, we need a result here.

You're refreshing that little pie chart? Yeah. Please. But, yes, so something else you can get is giving us a fact quote or question. And this week, Dave, I know you know how to pronounce this name. Can you help us out there, please? Surely. Seeger Björg is the first name.

Can't remember how we go with the last name. Sigurbiorg Ejoffodotur. Who is from my first name. Iceland, I think she also says it in her nickname that people call her as Siba. Oh, Siba. Siba. Thank you so much, Sibber. And Sibber has given herself the nickname head janitor of Dog Igloos.

We were looking for one of those. Thank goodness, we finally feel that position. I should say, yeah, we also get to give yourself a title. And this week, Sigia Bjorg has given us a quote. And the quote is, and I've never read any of these until I'm reading them. So let me have a point. The fun, part of the fun. My quote is from a great woman, Eleanor Roosevelt.

And this is the quote, Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. So hopefully you enjoyed our discussion on events and people here today. Quick, let's discuss an idea, quick. I think it's more like gossip, you know. Right. And we're not really ones to goss on pod.

I thought that that was going to be, small ones discuss sport. I thought that was going to be like a go at sport. Sport bands. She debriefs a bit on this saying. I often think about this quote when I hear people either talk about others behind their backs or simply about the Kardashian clan. That and this person deserves a high five in the face with a chair.

That really escalated. That did escalate. I'm like a high five. Oh, that's nice. Oh, no. Oh, no. That took a turn. That took a turn.

Thank you so much. Thanks, Siba. There's many a good conversation on the Facebook messenger through our page with Siba. So great to have you supporting the show in Iceland. How cool. So cool. That blows my mind. Well, that brings us to our other favourite segment of the show.

It is where we get to thank a few Patreon supporters. Yes. Another reward is that we shout out to six people every week. And Jesse just comes up with a game. I have come up with one, but I need to clarify something in the game. Okay. So I want to give each of these people. a spirit animal

but I want to clarify that the animals are very much alive and healthy and safe so their spirit animals are okay and well looked after probably out in the wild, happy no known predators okay fantastic they'll never die they're immortal animals

would you mind if I kick it off from I'm going to say Manchester in New Hampshire that is correct I'd love to thank Matthew Ingle we're getting good at this now You know, ticking off those states, at least verbally anyway. Matthew Engel.

Matthew, Ingle. Can I call you Huey, Matthew? I'll take the mat. You take the Hugh. All right, so Hugh Ingle. Hugh Engel, for some reason, the first animal that came into my mind was a vampire bat. Okay. That's a great spirit animal.

Pretty cool. Pretty cool animal. That is great. A little bit badass. A little bit badass. Yeah. That's what a great thing for your spirit to be able to do. Let your spirit fly.

Matthew, your spirit's flying. But also, it's like a vampire bat that's wearing a little tuxedo. Oh. He's a fancy. Oh, wow, I love that. You know? A little bow tie. But he's like, he's a vegetarian.

He's a really sweet little vampire bat. He's like, hello. People are like, do you want some blood? He's like, oh, no, I couldn't. You know? Couldn't possibly. No, thank you. I don't want to hurt you.

You could have another drop. So they feed solely on blood. Huh. There you go. But not Matthew. Vampire bats. Well, that's just, I mean, spirit blood. Yes.

Spirit blood. Animals feed on spirit blood. Thank you so much, Hughie, Matthew Huey Ingle. I'd also love to thank from Hopper's Crossing right here in Victoria, Stephanie Andrews. Stephanie Andrews. Thank you very much. Yes, appreciate that. Lovely to hear from a local.

I have you getting a vibe. You got a song there, Matt, which is nice. I'm, there we go. I'm thinking. You were singing that about me the other day. Yeah. Same tune. Yeah.

It's a catchy tune. What's the tune? It seems sort of depressing. It's a song called Jessica. That's why I was seeing it to me. That makes sense. Yeah, that did make sense. Because my name, Dave.

I don't know if you don't. Your full name. My full name is Jessica. Okay, you told me that you told the dentist that I once. I'm going to say wombat. I love wombats. My favorite animals. That's probably why.

Favorite animal or just favorite Aussie animal? I think favorite animal. That is fantastic. You know what I saw the other day in the wild and echinar. Great animal. Like a big one. Monotron. God damn, those little faces.

I try that that in the part of Puss. Get so cute. I would say that the echidina and the wombat rival for me, I can never choose which are my favorite Australian animal. Yeah, they're awesome. I love them both so much. I also, I do love the North American bison. And obviously, there's a whole subcategory of love called the non-human primates.

Of course, but you've... But I put them above all the others. At least is the top two animals you've ever run down in your car. Bison, field of them. Wombats, a field of wombat. No. I love nuggety animals and they're both real nuggety. Can I thank some people as well? Yes, please.

I would like to thank from Plymouth. Oh, in Devon. In Devon. Oh, Devon, who do scones properly there. Cream and jam. Incorrectly. Spread then. We never did that when we were in the UK, did we?

We never got to Devon. We've got to do that next time. We're going to have a big scones day. Oh, I love it. Important to me that we get to Devon for scones. We can do scones at some point together, even just in a stretch. We did scones once in England and they sucked. You couldn't call them scones. They were not scones.

The worst scones I've ever had were in England. But I had a fantastic jack of potato, so I was happy. That's true. Naomi Higgins and I made scones just last week. What laughy hives. I did not know about that at all. Luffy lives. We just caught up and made scones.

It was adorable. Anyway, I was like to thank. Did you do the Devon way? No, I did it the correct way. Which is, of course. From the sea place, what's it called? Chester? I don't even put it in my memory.

I'm wrong. Cornwall. Damn it. They do pasties right. Yes. They do scones wrong. Anyway, from Devon, I would like to thank Chris Hallam. Oh, hello, Chris.

Chris Hallam. Chris Hallamunkey? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. My word. Nailed it. Hallamonkeys are great. I love howlemonkeys.

Yeah, these are all good animals. Oh, yeah, obviously. And they're spirit animals. So even if they're an animal that's normally a bit shit, they're a spirit animal. So they're like... They're like, what's some powers or something. They're like the cartoon version, so they're super. It's kind of like how even a wadhog was cute in the Lion King, you know?

Yeah. In the original one or the new one? The original. Because it wasn't as cute in the new one. I don't want to see the new one. Well, when we went to that elephant sanctuary in Thailand, there was a warthog. Her mum were a warthog, walking around with like about eight little pups. Yeah.

And it was so cute. The little ones? Amazing. They were so cute. Oh, my God. And they were just hanging out in a mud bath. Yeah. Yeah.

Matata. Oh, that's cute. So thank you so much, Chris. And I'd also like to thank from Greensboro. Greensboro. Greensboro. What's NC? North Carolina.

How could I forget. How could I forget? Do you? About Greensboro. How do you know anything about North Carolina? Well, finally enough, greatest basketball all time arguably. Obviously, Ohio and great is also in the conversation now as well. Calm alone.

The male man. Oh, it's a lip-us. But Michael Jordan, he used to wear shorts, college basketball shorts, that blue. And then he got drafted in the NBA to play for the Chicago Bulls. Yeah, in the Windy City, that's right. And he just kept on wearing those blue university shorts. But they wouldn't have gone with his Chicago uniform. Wow, that's the funny thing.

He put his other shorts over the top. So he was wearing two pairs of shorts, meaning he needed to have bigger shorts for Chicago, starting the fashion that led to big basketball shorts. that is my Michael Jordan slash North Carolina story. Thank you so much for listening. I love that fact. And I hope that was new information for you, Melissa Ferguson.

I feel like I haven't got to tell it for a while. I didn't even get her name out. Melissa Ferguson. Oh, thank you, Melissa Ferguson. I'll repeat it too because we appreciate your support. Melissa Ferguson. I appreciate you. I imagine an or she ever thinks about it.

And I don't even apologize for that. Do you reckon an orty ever thinks about it is those damn shorts? I'm sure. I bet she's wearing some right now. And what kind of animal is Melissa Ferguson? Well, I, do you mind if I, I mean, I'm trying to avoid going for primates all, always. Okay. So are you saying now you don't want to go because you've thought of a primate?

Well, I was, I like the, um, I like the ring-tailed lemurs. Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah, they're cute. They're great. Cheeky. Yeah, that's okay. You're allowed to say that. Sorry, sorry about that.

Hey, don't apologize. Hey, Melissa loves that. Okay. Thank you, Melissa. They're an iconic looking lemma with the, that black and white striped tail. They also, they, as I learned in a past episode of primates, they'll bone on top of cactuses. That seems rousy. They have stink fights with each other and the winners bone on top of cactuses or something like that.

That's not a winning. No, I was going to say that is a prize. That is a prize worth fighting and dying for. Okay, Dave. I'll die on this cactus. Yeah. Would you like to thank some people, Dave? I would love to take us home.

Thank you so much with a couple of legends to shout out to you. And I'd like to thank from Cologne in Deutsche, England, aka Germany. Been to Cologne. Catch the, I caught the ferry across, I think. Maybe from the White Cliffs of Dover. Is that where that ferry goes? Hmm.

Am I making that up? I don't know. I've not been on the ferry, but I believe you. I might be wrong. I might have got a clone in a different way. There might have been a pub. But I remember, I did go to a pub there, yes. And that's the place I almost missed the train at

because I was stuck at an Irish pub with an Irishman who was just feeding me pints of Guinness. But earlier that I remember in Cologne, they had their beers were tiny. That was like their standard size of beer was real small. And then the next day I went to Munich, and their standard size of beer was a leader. I love culture.

It sounds like you had a lot of them in Cologne because it's very, very much landlocked. Don't know how you got a ferry to the middle of Germany, but that's impressive. No, I'm getting confused with... That is impressive. Where does the... Somewhere in France is where the ferry goes.

So Dave, who was in Cologne next? I would like to thank. So sorry. From Cologne. I imagine she's on the ferry right now. I'm saying she. I'm assuming you. I'm so sorry.

Verena Limpa. First name Varina. Surname Limpa. Thank you so much, Varina. Rina. What a name. Fantastic support there. I got a feeling when I read this name.

Yeah. If I may indulge that feeling. I'm thinking toucan. Oh. Good one. I love two cans. Do you have a two can't icy poles? I loved them, which if you're not familiar, two icy poles stuck together.

Yeah. Two sticks. Two sticks. You can either double up, double down, have them both, or split it and share with a friend. So cute. And you obviously had them by yourself. Yeah, of course. I mean, I wasn't an only child, but I was treated like one because of our affluence.

Had anything you wanted. It was Calais that I was thinking of. Calais. Oh, Calais. Oh, understood. Cologne, Calais. It's close. Very similar.

We get it. so much verena thank you verena my fate one of my maybe all-time favorite ads featured a two can it was for pretty sure it was for tui's new and this two can walks into a bar and taps its hard beak on the on the on the bar to signify i want a beer and then the the bartender puts a beer out and then the two can sort of like trying to struggling to get its beak around the thing and it ends up knocking the beer over and one of the other boozehound goes can't hold his beer mate you can't physically pick it up. And he's a two-can screamer.

There's so many levels. What a clever ad that I definitely didn't get as a kid. That's a good stuff. But it still loved it. Look at that toucan fumbling around with a beer. So cute. Oh, man. I think you,

that story was dedicated to you, Verena Limpa. Thank you so much. Verena Limpa. What a name. What a name. What a city. What a life.

I'd like to finally thank, bringing it home now, a lot closer to home, that is. From Galban in New South Wales. Where Matt's going to be. I'm going to be tomorrow. Oh, yeah. Please be front row.

Center, wave those hands if you got them. Do you know Dave what Goldburn's famous for? The awesome for them. It's for a big thing. The Big Marino. The Big Marino. Oh, I thought I was, I think you're talking about Goldman Valley fruits. No, a different place.

Really? Yep. Oh, disappointing. Sorry, man. I hope the front row and center at the Golden Show, Peter Grant. Peter Grant. Peter Grant. That's two, is that two Goldban patrons in a couple of weeks?

Yeah, wow. Good timing. I reckon Peter. well, he's a little quaker. Oh, quaker, fantastic. I love quokers! A great Australian animal. Yeah, they look like they've been hand-drawn.

We saw them in Adelaide Zoo, remember? And I was so excited because I wanted to get a photo with one, but they were all sleeping. Then we also saw a tourist waking one up and patting it. That was a little bit weird for us all. The signs everywhere were like, leave them alone, leave to sleep, and she was like shaking it. Wake up, wake up, I'm patting you.

So when we go to Perth, I'm hopefully going to go see some quokers. Oh, I've never been. made it out to Rotteness. Can we go? Yes. Oh yeah. So I've never been to Rotteness either. So it's an island off Perth where basically that's where they're from. Yes. So very, very cool.

And thank you so much to Peter Grant and Goldman. I'm assuming you'll be front row at Matt's show tomorrow night. And if not, you better have a really good excuse. If you're hearing that, hearing this episode a couple of days after it comes out, fair enough. No, then you fucked up. Yeah. And thanks for everyone that supports the show on Patreon, as Matt said at the start,

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And this week's episode of Primates is a lot of fun where I had on Jackson and Cass from Sands Pants. And we talked about an old episode of Scooby-Doo. Oh, great. Oh, that sounds fun. Never Ape the ape man. It's called. A bit of fun.

Oh, that's the title of the episode. Love that. Love that a lot. I was a big Scooby-Doo fan growing up. One of my favorite cartoons. I like a stupid ride at movie world. Oh, it's fantastic ride. So fun.

Well, let's get back up there. I don't like rides, but I like that one. Did you guys ever get to a theme park when you're up there for that week? What did you do with your time off? Wasted it. Did you see a movie like you promised? No. I did.

Oh. What were you doing? That was your one thing you said you'd do together. Yeah, well. Fair enough. You're other young ones and you fucked it. All right. Well, with that wisdom, we're going to end of the end of the show.

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Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want, it's up to you. Because we don't have a local line That's why it's so confusing Disappointed Even our lines are bloody koala in a suit It's two koalas Yeah

That's very cute They get all sweep in And they have some leaves And they go sweep Don't they sleep an insane amount Like 20 something hours a day? Yeah because aren't they high off their asses off the eucalyptus all the time?

They just fall out of trees a lot Because they're just baked And very unintelligent Apparently too Oh Sadly That's why I relate to them.

Yeah. Bit silly, very sleepy. Not a lot going on there is there with the koalas. Thank God they have their looks. Yeah. Those fluffy ears. My God, they have their looks. Great noses.

So soft looking. A little baby one. But they may, you get close to them. I've heard. I've never been close to them. You know, I don't let them in, but they emotionally, but they, um, yeah, apparently they're not as cute when you get near them. Right.

They don't know, pretty sharp claws. So cute from a distance? Yeah. Yeah, cute if it's a cartoon version. So I've ever told you this story. When I was down on the Great Ocean Road near Apollo Bay and we were driving out to the Otway Great Outway Lighthouse and along the road out to the lighthouse,

all these cars pulled over because there was koalas in the trees. And I was with my brother and my sister-in-law and a friend. And we're like looking out the windows trying to spot koalas. And they're hard to see because they're the same colour as the tree trunks. and I suppose that's probably the idea. My sister-in-law goes, why don't they make them in other colors? That is a good idea. It was so good.

We were all just like, who's they, M? Who makes koalas, do you reckon? Who's they? Just like, nah, but you know, if there's a pink one, be able to see it easier. Like, no, there's a good point. Yes. Can't fault that. Cannot fault a genius.

I feel like we're not that far away from humans doing that sort of stuff. Yeah. You reckon? Yeah, humans suck. I like tigers, but I'd like them more in a purple. Can you make that happen for me? You know, I realise only recently, way too late, that tigers are not yellow and black. No, they're orange and black.

And because the football team, Richmond, the tigers, are yellow and black, somehow my brain didn't like, didn't understand, like connected, that even though I'd look at a tiger, it's clearly orange. In my head, I'm seeing yellow and black. I would have sworn they were yellow and black until maybe a year ago. What really got it across the line? Someone said, tigers are orange and black, and I said, no, then, oh. It was one of those, I was like, you know, like something clicked in my brain.

I was like, and then there would have been a flashback sequence where I've seen all these tigers before. You know, like Kaiser Sozee and the usual suspects. So it's all lining out. All the clues were there all along. Tigers are orange-black. Isn't that weird? It is weird. Anyway, I'm in the middle of this paragraph here.

So this is about the shooting party. So. I don't like it being called a shooting party. No. Makes it sound like they're all enjoying it too much. Hunting party. That's better. Hunting gang?

Yeah, okay. Gun, gun friends. Gun group. Gun group. The bang bang, bang boys. Yeah. Because their guns go bang. And then afterwards.

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