Do Go On - 204 - The 1980 Boston Marathon Controversy

Episode Date: September 18, 2019

The Boston Marathon is one of the biggest sporting events in history, and many amazing stories of triumph have emerged from the marathon. But of course, it is not without it's share of controversy! Enter : Rosie Ruiz and the 1980 marathon ....Buy tickets to our live shows INCLUDING OUR IRELAND AND UK 2019 TOUR here: https://dogoonpod.com/events/Our website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING: Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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What? I can't wait to hear this. That's coming up right after this theme music. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky. I'm sitting here with the great, the wonderfuls, the one and onlys, Jess Perkinses and Matt Stuart's. Shock on the wonderful.

Shuck on the other one. Yeah. The greats. The greats. I'm the wonderfuls and you're the one and only. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Hello, everybody.

Hello, Matt. Hello, Jess. Hello, Dave. Hello, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us. If this is the first time listening to the show, we're about to announce some exciting news. Oh, what is it. Some tour news, I believe, was what Jess said at the start of the episode.

What? Let me reveal it. Over the last couple of months, I have been secretly organizing a tour of Ireland. Woo! And whilst we're there, the UK. Whoa, cool. I don't know if you can call it a tour of Ireland. Where are we going?

Are we going to cork? No. Do not listen to Kalani? We're going to Belfast? Kalani, that's where my family's from. Can we go to Kalani? Well, maybe us three can because we'll be going a couple of days early to acclimatized to the time difference. Yes.

But I'm here to announce that we are heading back to the UK. And also for the first ever time, a show in Dublin for a bit of a Christmas tour, the first couple of weeks of December. Sorry, I think you mean creeshmeish. Sorry, a chish meish tour. Yes. Good. I love, oh, we're going to have a winter Christmas. A proper Christmas again.

We were all there this time last year, well, a little bit earlier. And we're all thinking, even though we haven't been here for Christmas before, this feels like what Christmas should feel like. Yes, it is. Was it Birmingham we had that? There was a Christmas, like a German Christmas fair. That was so cool. The Kishmish market. Oh, will that be on again?

Of course. And probably even more full swing because it's even closer to Christmas. Yes. I'm going to get another pretzel. Sorry, we can jump ahead. If you're wondering where we are heading, we are going to Dublin. Yes. Brand new place.

Oh, we've got to watch your Irish tap dancing. I've just looked it up. It actually is finishing up this week. Oh. I would have assumed it would be. No, it's not on all the time. So that is December the 1st, the first show. It's not fucking Billy Elliot.

It's always fucking on. What is it, cats? A two, three, four. Meow, meow, meow. Oh, the one thing worse in Riverdance, cats. I'm sorry. So if you love musicals, I'm so happy for you. Okay.

So the shows were Dublin, December the first at the Sugar Club. Oh, a little bit of sugar. Fantastic. Then we're heading over to Glasgow. Yes. Oh, we didn't get there last time. No, we had a little. day trip, which was just fun.

Edinburgh last time, Glasgow, December the 2nd at the Glee Club. Then the next night, we're busy first half of the tour. We're heading to Leeds. We're back at the wardrobe. Oh, that place is great fun. December the 3rd. Yes. We've got a night off.

Then we're heading to Bristol back at the Hen and Chicken. Another cool venue, December the 5th. We promise we will not do one about murderers this time. Yeah, it'll be a fun topic this time. Now I remember that venue. I was just thinking, I don't think I remember that one. Let's do a real fun, happy year. one.

Then we are back in London Town, December the 8th at 229, the venue where last time we had a great time was our final show of the tour last time. That was awesome. It was huge. It was amazing. Had a piano backstage, baby. That's what I love. And then finally, our final show is back in Birmingham near the Christmas market, December

the 9th at the Birmingham Glee Club. Oh, sweet as. Good way to finish the tour. And now, so tickets are going on sale to our Patreon supporters this Friday at 11 a.m. Local UK and Ireland time. So basically anyone who supports us on Patreon we'll put the links up first and a little code for the pre-sale

So if you want to get in and make sure you get a ticket because last year we announced the tour and then surprisingly it's the whole thing sold out in four hours It was a bit of a surprise for everyone A few people missed out So sorry about it mostly We were pretty shocked on that

I'm sure that would happen again Some of the venues are a bit bigger But just in case if you want to get Guarantee a ticket The supporters on Patreon You also get bonus episodes And you can be our Facebook group Vote for topics

All that kind of stuff And then, but if you are not a Patreon supporter, general tickets will go on sale on Monday at 11am local UK time. That is Monday, September the 23rd. Exciting times. So exciting. I can't wait. Hey, and I should say I'm still working on the North American tour. It has proved so difficult.

We basically need a promoter to sponsor us and we have not been able to secure that. Yeah. And I've been talking to the patrons, the idea at the moment, and this seems like it's going to go ahead. But I can't announce dates yet, but hopefully this will happen soon. We're going to do a Canadian tour, which obviously isn't perfect for our American listeners. Hopefully exciting for our Canadian listeners. That's right. And they are much more welcoming with visas for performance.

Yes, that's right. That's why we're doing it, basically. That's right. And, yeah, hopefully some American or U.S. people will be able to come up. And others, yeah, we're going to keep working on it. And hopefully this will open doors. We can show people, oh, we had a successful Canadian tour, and that'll help us get a promoter on board for not too far down the track.

So pumped. I've never been to Canada. No, me either. So I'm excited. Hopefully can announce dates and stuff for that in the coming, I don't know, hopefully in the next month, I think. Maybe even in Block. Quick question.

What are you doing for Block? I was going to go away for the month Is that not a good idea? No, you've got to be here. Oh, right. This October Buster Month, aka Boktofa Grace Land Festival. Doing a great job of explaining it to people that don't know what it is.

It's the biggest month on the Dugu-On calendar. We did the first one last year. All of October, we do the biggest topics. And there's going to be a vote going up this week, which will help us decide all the topics for the whole month, including one which is going to be with a very special guest. Do I need to have you looked at this? Have you looked at the fact that there are five Wednesdays in that October?

Yeah, oh yeah, big time. I was going to say, whoops. I think you haven't. Oh, God. I feel like there were last year as well, maybe. Yeah, I think so. Am I the special? Do you still calling me a guest?

Yes. Very special guests. 201 appearances so far. Guest appearances. So, yeah, well, I imagine if you've come on board lately, you might be like, what the hell are you talking about? But if you go back to last October's episodes, they were huge topics. Yeah.

And everyone, like, the word on the street, I just, I was walking down, you know, Brunswick, Sydney Road. Yep. And I'd hear people chitter-chattering, sensibly. What are you up to for block this year? Are you blocking? You're going away for block? Yeah, what are you doing for block? You got time off for block?

Do you want to come around to mine for block? Come over for block. Yeah. Bring a block. There's a real block buzz. Bring a block. Have chocolate. Thank you.

And a block of beers. Yeah, block of beers. Block a chocolate, block of cheese. Block of Lego? Yes. Entertainment. Now I want some cheese. Oh yeah, big time.

In summary, any shows we ever do, you can go to do go onpod.com to get tickets for that, including the island, UK tour, Dublin, Glasgow, Leads, Bristol, London, Birmingham. We cannot wait to be there. I'm so excited to show you around Dublin. Oh, yes. I'm excited for that. Even though we've got Patreon and lovely, lovely man who we met last time we went to the UK, Tienin, who is a tour guide based in Dublin.

He was like, hey, if you want any day tours or anything, let me know. And I'm like, no need, Tannen. I got this. You know, I spent a week there in 2006, so I think I'll probably be telling you. How many pubs did you go to? Were you just on Temple Bar the whole time? Yeah, I also went to Croke Park to watch Australia play Island in the International Rules. Oh, fuck, that would have been awesome in Ireland.

Yeah, that would be happening in December. That would be real cool. I love the international rules. I don't think so. No, it normally happens around October, and I don't know if it even happens. happens anymore. That year actually made it, put a real damper on it because the Australians went in very violently.

And it was kind of weird. The Australians are pro professional sports people and the Irish competition as amateurs. So I was like... It's already a bloodbath. It was kind of weird. It was supposed to be. It's a friendly game. But yeah, that was pretty cool. Anyway, so Dave, I can't wait to show you around. Thank you. I'm really looking forward to it.

I have very little memories of it. So I will need a tour of it. You also rarely leave your room until the afternoon. So Dave, and I will probably go and do some sides a lovely wonder. David and I'll have a lovely wonder. I want to have a wonder. We'll come out of your room then. I will.

Wake up. Wake up. I will. I'll wake up. Put some bloody clothes on. Oh, well, one thing at a time. You want me to wake or do you want me clothes? Matt teases me for having the red zone, which is before coffee.

I tease you for that. You tease yourself. I brought it up and then you used it a lot. And then, but like, let's look at Matt before breakfast, shall we? Oh my goodness. The ride is more the dead zone. zone. Yeah.

He's a little zombie. Yeah, yours is the red zone. You're walking around with your pubes all everywhere. And Dave, from 6 a.m., like any time of the day or night, Dave's always like, hey, how's it going?

Woo! Like, there's no, Dave doesn't have levels. I never change. He's always thinking about the next thing. Always moving around. Head's sort of, his neck is just swiveling. You can't see, he's never since.

Swiveling neck. It's a ferret. Anyway, that's what we have to look forward to. Behind the scenes. Are you fair to have swiveling nuts? They do now. Yeah, damn right.

I think of me a cat. Dave, explain what this show is. Oh, great. This show is a lot of fun for the whole family. No. Turn off mum. And basically, we take it in turn to see you to report on a topic often suggested by a listener. And the two people that aren't reporting have no idea what's going to be talked about.

And today, Jess, you are the one in charge of the report. That's right. So Matt and I don't know what you're about to say. And to get us on the topic, you ask a beautiful question. Yes. Which you, I don't want to say never, but often. and forget to write. I wrote one.

Fantastic. And would I be right in saying that this was as voted on by the Patriotians? That is correct. So I put a few different topics up to them. This one, one,

so there was three topics. This one won with a margin of 50%. Wow. So that's a landslide. Yeah. Because often it is very close to that, in the hat there. And so my question is,

which US sporting event is held every year on Patriots Day? Oh, I'm going to say, Super Bowl? No. NHL hockey playoff? No. Yeah, the Stanley Cup.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That is in the hat. That big ugly cup. No offense. Is it a mainstream one? It's pretty mainstream. Think more of like an, it's not really a team sport. America's Cup?

Golf. Right, a cup. No. That's a team sport. Is it? Yeah, that's the one golf team sport. Sorry about that. Is it international or?

No. Okay. So it's an individual. US Open? No, that's, no. What's the date of Patriots Day? What month are we looking at? It happens on the third Monday of April.

Okay, April. What does that? That means it's spring? Wow, it's a spring sport. Something you might go out and do. The Boston Marathon. Yeah. Whoa.

Well done. I got that from your shoulders moving like someone's slowly running. Yeah, exactly. You've seen me run. This is how I do. It's all in the shoulders. Yeah, you do not move your legs and it's very, very hard to watch.

I'm very slight. Is this about the event or about the bombing? It's not about the bombing. Okay. It is about one particular event. Yeah, one particular thing that happened in the long history of the Boston Marathon. And to start things off, I am going to talk just a little bit more generally about the marathon. Highlight a couple of things that have happened.

And then I'm going to get stuck into the juicy story that I have. Right. So I have no idea what the story is going to be. Do you, Matt? No. But I can't wait until Jess. squeezees the Jus. We're all feeling a little more relaxed now.

It's not about the bombing. Yeah. Yeah, that's hard to make fun, you know? But we did that last week about an explosion. That was 102 years ago. Yeah, that's a bit different. And an accident. Okay.

This is only been suggested by one person in Jack the Hat, McVitty. It was suggested by Brianna Napoli. What is from Brisbane from memory? We've definitely said her. name before. Brianna Napoli. Thank you, Brown and Napoli. And anyone can suggest a topic.

We should say this by going to do-goonpod.com. And we love it when people do that. Yeah. Brianna, you are one of my favorite pasta sources. Napoli, so simple. Yeah. So effective. Yeah.

A little bit of backstory about the Boston Marathon for starters. This is mostly because the story I'm going to tell is relatively short. So I'm going to fill a little bit with some context. No, but there's other interesting stuff. So the Boston Marathon, it's the world's oldest annual marathon, began in 1897. Wow, that's the year the AFL began, or the VFL. That's the prison that you look through life. Yeah.

Before you did the report, which is your first ever report on this show, how did you look at the world? Did you have any context or anything? Or did that report change your life? No, I already knew that because there was the centenary season. Oh, okay. Yeah, in 96. Which I think was wrong.

I don't know 96 that they mucked it up. It's not quite right. I think it's like the 100th season, but it wasn't 100 years. Right. Well. Sorry to, that's an early side track. So the Boston Marathon ranks as one of the world's best known road racing events. It's massive.

And as I said, it's always held on Patriots Day, which is the third Monday of April. Amateurs and professional runners from all over the world compete in the Boston Marathon each year, braving the hilly Massachusetts terrain and varying weather to take part in the race. Massachusetts. Yeah. Because you said it's springtime, isn't it? Yeah. It's summer. It's our autumn, so it's their spring.

Yeah. So it can be really nice or it can be like a bit chilly still. So it varies year to year. That's what keeps it interesting. And yeah, I want to give a little bit of backstory in the marathon history to give us some context and to touch on a few stories that could definitely make for mini episodes. But they're really worth mentioning because they're pretty impressive.

So in its long history, the Boston Marathon has had many notable stories emerge from the race. There was Bobby Gibbs, the first woman to finish the race in 1966. Saints won the apprenticeship there, yeah. You don't say. Before this, the longest amateur athletic union sanctioned race for women was one and a half miles. No, one and a half miles. Women were allowed to run one and a half miles. But if they run anymore, would they die?

Well, yes. Look at their tiny frail box. We don't want to risk it. I mean, we tried to practice on mice and they can't run more than one and a half mile. And women are mice. Yeah, basically, they have a similar physique. What is the marathon in my... I know it's 42.195 kilometres.

26 point something. Right. So that's a big jump. Yeah. Yeah, it's a huge jump. And prior to the race, Bobby received a letter from the race director, a guy called Will Clooney, informing her that women were not physiologically capable of running marathon distances.

So that motivated her even more. So what year is this? 66. It's not... 1566. It's not long enough ago. What the hell? Yeah.

They checked the size of women's craniums and they proved to be insufficiently What is craniums, sir? Did he write the letter in really large font? Yeah. And then a little note saying, get your husband to read this to you. Telling us that she basically would die if she tried. Honey, honey. I know you'd like to give it a go, but it's biology.

You're too whittal. You're too whittled to do it. I don't make the rules. I'm not God. Hey, have a go at one and a half miles. One and a half miles. You'll be very tired. Even I can run one and a half miles.

And you're useless. Yeah, exactly. It wouldn't be surprised if he sent me a letter saying that I... You are not physiologically. You did it in Thailand, did you? I nearly died. How far was that? 5K.

5Ks. That was so humid. So humid. In 30 degree weather. with in humidity and I've never run any distance in my life. Felt like I was going to vomit at the end. Luckily, collapsed into the ocean. Yeah.

I really saved the day. Otherwise, big mom was coming. Yeah, I felt sick as well. That was wild. I had a really nice walk on the beach. That was smart.

And I still won. Because it was a beautiful, you were best female, first female podcast across the line. Number one. And who came second in that category? No one. There was no one else.

Daylight, Dave. Daylight second. Other female podcasts are, went physiologically able. Yeah, but I proved them wrong. So, yeah, her being told that she was too small and incapable, motivated her to do it. And she'd been training for the previous two years

and could run distances of up to 40 miles, which is way more than a marathon. So she was like, I reckon I probably can actually, physiologically, that is. So she made the journey to Boston for the race. She ran there. She ran from California. She actually hid in the bushes, close to the start line.

What? And she joined the race as the men started to pass her. She was wearing her brother's shorts and like a baggy sweatshirt shirt and just had like a tank top underneath. She also changed her name to Bobby. Also, I don't want to be rude here, but at what point did she start the race? She joined the men once they started. Pretty close to the start. So imagine she ran the whole thing except the first 100 meters and the boss is like, the guy that runs it.

Told you. Told you. Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. I couldn't finish it. Stick to one and a half. But she's dressed like basically trying to look like a man. She's trying to blend in, yeah, yeah.

I think she had like a baseball cap on as well. She was trying to be like inconspicuous. The shirt says, I love being a man. She was also trying to get away from a sniper. Yeah. In an action film. Yeah, putting on a hat. Oh, a bit different.

Jason Bourne puts a hat on. Where'd he go? There was Patriots Day was the name of a film, wasn't it? Maybe a Harrison Ford film? No, no. Mel Gibson. Heath Ledger. Oh, okay.

I'm thinking of Patriots Day. Patriot Games. Patriot Games, that's right. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, Patriot is an old, an old-timey film with each... Is it just called The Patriots? The Patriot's Game. The Patriots game.

No, it's called The Patriot. Isn't it? That's a Fletger. So maybe there is no Patriot Day. No, Patriot Day, is that maybe a football film? No, maybe that's the one about the Boston Marathon. Oh, that makes sense. I think that might be the case.

You look it up. I'll keep going with the report. Geez, they've got a few movies about being Patriot. Because they made a film. It's almost like they've built their whole country's ideology around being patron and not learning in Australians. Let us perform there. Yeah, they made a film about the Boston Marathon.

I remember being like, oh, that's soon. You know, it was like only within a couple of years, I want to say. I could be wrong. Anyway, so, Bobby, Bobby Gibbs. So she's joined the race. She's running along. She's trying to be inconspicuous. And the men in the race start to notice that she's a woman.

And very surprisingly for the time, were incredibly supportive. Apparently they were like really friendly. They were like, yeah, good for you, let's go. But, okay. Why? Were you expecting them? He's going to be like, you can't be here, tuts?

I don't know. Yeah, well, that's great. So the people are like, yeah, good on you. They're like, cool. And then the, yeah, Matt. Patriot's Day is a 2016 film with Marky Mark about the Boston Marathon bombings. So it's three years later after.

It feels too soon, but maybe not. I don't know. Sort of this, I think it's celebrating the heroes and stuff. Yeah, which is amazing. Anyway, so then the crowd start to notice that Bobby is a woman And they're going fucking mental The crowd are going wild, they're so excited that a woman is racing Apparently she ended up like, because it was hot

She took off her sweat shirt And was like running along and people are just going nuts She finished in three hours, 21 minutes and 40 seconds ahead of two thirds of the runners Awesome So she smashed it Had a hundred metre head start That's true.

That's the hardest bit. Some of the news reporting for the time is pretty gross, though. It refers to her as a tidy-looking and pretty 23-year-old blonde. It's like, elite athlete. Because the 60s is like, it's a big change in the world, right? Yeah. So it's funny that the old-school journalist is still talking like that, but then people on the street are going, yes, we've been waiting for this.

Yeah. Another headline. said, and I don't know what this means, but it said hub bride first gal to run marathon. Was they speak a different language? It just sounds like the kid on the street corner. Hub bride. Hub bride. Step bride up. So did the director ever address this and apologize?

Nah. Anyway, she ran the... I don't think so, no. Typically. Well, she ran the following year as well, but she was unnumbered. So she was like unregistered. She was just running it because women still weren't allowed to technically run, even though she'd prove and they can definitely do it.

But the following year was famous for another reason as well. A runner called Catherine Switzer was told by her running coach that a marathon was too far to run for a fragile woman, which begs the question, why was he coaching her? He was her coach. He was her running coach. I'll do my best with what I've got, but if you don't fall apart, we'll see.

Yeah, I mean, bloody, poor. I'm willing to risk your life. Have a crack. Yeah, go on. Try and run two miles. See if you can make it pass the bloody 1.5. Dirt it. Dead woman walking.

He just goes and reads the paper while she runs. So Catherine or Kathy, she registered for the Boston Marathon under the gender neutral KV Switzer, just her initials. Her finishing time of approximately four hours and 20 minutes was nearly an hour behind Bobby Gibb, who was running again. But the reason that Kathy was so not, notable was that during the race, race official jock Semple tried to rip off her number and stop her from running, tried to get her off the court.

Jock. Jock Semple. And he's like, he's like in a, in a blazer and stuff and like a bald, old man trying to like push her off the course. Let's not bring age into this. No, it just looks funny that he's sort of like. Oh, this footage of it. He's running, his photos of it, really famous photos where he's sort of run out into the course trying to stop an elite athlete for. running.

Maybe some of the most confusing people to me in the world are those people who have a small amount of power and just can't see past it logically. No, you're not allowed to be doing that. Stop it! Apparently he was yelling, Get the hell out of my race and give me those numbers. He was trying to stop it.

So weird. But unluckily for Jock, Kathy had been running alongside her boyfriend, Tom Miller, who was an ex-all-American football player and nationally ranked hammer-thrower. I, a big fucking unit. So he shoved Semple aside, sent him flying into the pavement. Like a hammer.

Clearing a path for Cathy to keep running. So he just pushed him out of the way. Piss off, idiot. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And there's photos. I don't know if there's actual filmed footage. There's definitely famous photos.

There's like a trip ditch where he's sort of like running behind her trying to grab her. And then you just see Tom just push him. And then in the third photo, he's on the ground. And she just keeps running. So it was a similar kind of thing Like she just started running She had pretty short hair at the time So she sort of blended in with this crowd

And then eventually people are like Hang on, that's a woman What's going on here? It's a different time What do you think Jock is worried about If she completes it? Well, I think it's just Yeah, I don't know

People get rules stuck in their head And they can't get past them It's such a dumb rule I remember one time This is a very Very equally a civil rights issue I used to get a discount card when I worked at a supermarket.

And my family got it, so my dad had one. He forgot it one day, and we were going through the checkout at the place I work and had for quite a few years. And the woman on the register is like, sorry, can't give you a discount. I'm like, oh, but you know who we are. I can tell you the number, just type it, that you have to type in. Sorry, I have to see the card. But I'm wearing the uniform.

And did you know? Yeah, it was, it's like that weird kind of level of power. Me, Matt. Yeah. We just did a shift together. Yeah. I'll stand behind you. I just went and grabbed a chocolate milk and now I'm back here.

Can you give me this guy? Yeah, I think there's some people have it in built-in or you just can't break any rules. Did you have to give up? Or did you bring over it? Yeah, it's that to give up. I want to see your manager, which is also my manager. But it's just one of those things you just sort of, you go, I'm not going to make a huge deal out. It's just a bit weird.

And I think, I think it's a classic Australian trade is to stick by the rules no matter what. And call people out who are stepping out along. even if it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it's very strange. I reckon this old fellow had a bit of that about it. Yeah, I reckon, bit of a power trip. Get out of my race. Shove. Love that.

Shove. He just pushes him. It's beautiful. And after the race, that director who wrote Kathy Gibb, the letter the year before, Will Clooney. Love that name, too, Kathy Gibbs. Yeah, that's good. He was asked his opinion of Switzer, competing in the race.

I said, do it have it Kathy Gibbs? Bobby Gibbs. This is Kathy Switzer. Anyway, he was asked his opinion of her running, and he said, women can't run in the marathon because the rules forbid it. Unless we have rules, society will be in chaos. I don't make the rules, but I try to carry them out. We have no space in the marathon for any unauthorised person, even a man.

If that girl were my daughter, I'd spank her. Okay. He was trying to be, like, cold and logical for a while. And he just went weird. And he finishes with the spanking. Very weird. Basically he said like if that man was a woman, he couldn't run. Yeah.

So. And that, yeah, but that was. Even if that man breaks the rules like, all right. Exactly. If he stopped there, like no space for an authorized person, even a man. But wasn't one of them had a number? Yeah, she did. She had 100% registered and was wearing a number.

Yeah. So that doesn't add up either. Nope, it does not at all. But then he added that he would spank her and then it got mega weird. And the journalist is just like, okay, you want me? to print that? And that's on the record. You're insisting that's on the record.

At the time, the journals was like, this is great stuff. I'm going to make this the headline. Spanky, spanky. Yeah. What was that headline? Collinian insist on spanking. Hub bride. First gal to run marathon.

Yuck. No time. Finish sentence. Stop. But even despite these impressive women proving that women were definitely capable of running a lot further than one and a half miles, it was still another five years until women were actually allowed to register and participate.

That feels about right. You don't want to rush into these things. No. I mean, they could, they're two anomalies. Yes. Most women, they've changed the rules now. Most women can't run more than one and a half months. Apparently now it's like 46% of entrants of women.

Like, it's pretty balanced now. It's just strange to think that this is what, in the mid-60s and the Olympics has been going for, with women for like 60 years. I was the point. Thinking that as well, the first modern Olympics was in, was it in 19-196? So I wonder if that can't be coincidence, right? A big marathon is held in 1896, then Boston Marathon starts the next year. Next year, yeah.

Feels like that's maybe some connection. When were women? I think the next Olympics, 1900, I think. Really? Yeah. But it's still 66 years later. Yeah, they're like, well, I mean, you can compete at the Olympics and win the gold medal for your country, but you can't. Well, there wouldn't have been a marathon, I'm guessing.

Probably not for women. Women at the time. Yeah, very strange. Because America is so it feels like it's a, it's all. about equality and everyone, like, it's all fair go stuff there. Yeah, it's, well, no, but I'm sure it wasn't even necessarily a conscious thing. It was just, well, they can't. Their bodies are so much smaller.

I mean, you can't expect a kid to do it. Women are kids. Yeah, it's funny. Like, you go, well, then why don't you do it based on size? Yeah. Well, okay, let us do longer than one and a half. What about a tall woman? Yeah.

Believe it if I see it. You mean a freak It's fucked It's so wild It was the 70s before women were allowed to be in it It's insane So the marathon obviously has a lot of history Some really great

Like these two amazing women Also in 2016 Jamie Marseise An American Became the first female Double amputee to finish the Boston Amazing And some of it obviously

Like we've touched on Are incredibly tragic Like the bombing attack in 2013 But what I want to focus on today is a controversial competitor from the 1980 race. Fuck a duck. Have either of you guys heard of Rosie Ruiz? No.

Oh, that sort of rings a bell, but I don't know if it's just a great name. You're just responding to a good name. Yeah. Instantly recognizable. Rosie Ruiz Ruiz Ruiz. I'll probably say both and I'm sorry. She was working as a secretary at a commodities trading firm in Manhattan when she stunned the running world by being the first woman to cross the finish line

in Boston in two hours, 31 minutes and 56 seconds. That seems very quick. It's very quick. It's very quick. I have no concept of time. Well, if you think about it like Bobby did it in three hours something, Kathy did it in four. So two and a half hours is really fast. Actually, my fastest ever 10Ks.

It's a bit under 50 minutes. So even if I was able to, which I wouldn't be able to do anything near that, so that's like four of those, right? Yes. So I'm like four hours is what I would do. At your absolute peak. Which I have never been. Right.

And she's done it in two and a half hours. Holy shit. Massive. Massive. Yeah, I can't understand how people run that fast. I think the world record's under two hours. Is it really? Yeah, it's mental.

It's mental. Insane. Even like, so I... I have done, twice now I've done a 6K run down in Apollo Bay for the Great Ocean Road Running Festival. Yeah. And I get to about the, I want to say one and a half to two K mark as the leaders are coming back. And they are so fast.

Isn't it weird seeing people running that fast and then knowing that they've been doing it for ages already? And I've already stopped for two walk breaks. And they are... My version of sprinting. They'd have to slow down in school areas, right? I think legally yes. Yeah. It's insane.

And then we all kind of do like, good job, keep going. They're always like teenage boys. And I'm like, that's really great. Fuck you. Every leap is just like over a car. Yeah, it's beautiful. What distance did you say the marathon is? A marathon is like 42K.

46 miles. The world record is two hours, one minute, 39. seconds, meaning that for those two hours, the world record holder who is from Kenya, Iliud Kipchogi, that would mean that his average speed for two hours is over 21 kilometers per hour. What? Yeah. At my top speed, I couldn't get close to that.

That's a sprint. He sprints for two straight hours. That's insane. Is he? 12 foot tall. Answer that, though. He's just, that's crazy.

Extremely gifted. It's incredible. The pace is amazing. That was achieved at the 2018 Berlin Marathon. Oh my God. Right. So, hang on. But that's just under two hours.

She's done this in two and a half. Yeah, and that's in the 80s too. So obviously things get small and smaller. So that's a great time. That is a great time. That's a freak time. I was trying to get, give Matt scale, and then I sort of derailed there.

Sorry, but yeah. But so did she win the wrong? race? Yeah. By might. She was the first woman to cross the line. Right. So first woman.

Right, right, right. Men had finished already. And was it just a huge gap? Much like your Thailand run. Yeah. Daylight second. People are still finishing that race. It was the fastest female time in Boston marathon history.

Yeah. And the third fastest time ever recorded by a woman in a marathon. So it was huge. Like it was fast. And when officials crowned her the winner, people noticed that she was barely sweating. Oh, okay. Were wild dogs involved? Not quite.

Her hair was still perfectly styled. Her face was hardly flushed after 26 miles running at an incredibly fast pace. Observers noted that she didn't have the usual physique of a champion long distance runner. Not to body shame, but there is a certain look of a long distance runner. She crossed the line, not sweating, wearing a hoodie, eating a big bag. Something's not quite a lot. I think she just walked across the line. Someone drove across the line.

Whoa, it took you two and a half hours to drive the marathon. That's amazing. Traffic's been a bitch. I think there's something on. Some sort of event. Yeah, I ran down a couple of people. Yeah, so she didn't have the normal, expected physique of a long-distance runner.

Her thighs were less lean and muscular than would be expected for someone who'd just run that time. Well, having said that, Usain Bolt, obviously doesn't have the... He's a sprinter. But when you look at his body compared to even his competitors, People often say that he's way too tall to be a sprinter on paper. But then he's the fastest amount of history. So she, I don't know, somehow could be an amazing runner.

Of course. It's not typical. Yeah, yeah. There isn't one perfect body shape, but it's like, oh, like you look at the long distance runners in the Olympics and stuff, and they are very, they're very slim. Sprinters have like bigger thighs. It's more about power. Yeah.

I'm intrigued. Yeah. What's it called when you have neither? Lazy. Thank you. I'm going to call it Warnocky. Yeah, it's the same. Synonyms.

I don't really. You're not lazy at all, actually. I'm not thin enough to be a sprinter. No, a long distance runner. But I'm not in any way muscular to be a sprinter. No, you're definitely thin enough to be a sprinter. You just don't have any muscle. They still have muscle on them.

Sorry, that's the thing I'm missing. I think you're a middle distance runner. That's what we're... Yeah, we're talking like 400 meters for you. Okay. That's probably still short. I could try and run that distance. Yeah, it's like the full way around a track.

Could you handle it? Not making it. Okay. Not making it. Where's the car? Mom. You need the car. In talking to her on the award stand, the men's champion, a guy called Bill Rogers,

realized that Ruiz didn't know basic things like her split times or intervals. Things elite runners know by heart. So he's asking you're like, oh, what were your splits? And she's going, my what? Five. Five. Five. I hope you were just the first. who just happened to be sick runner.

She later released stress test results showing her resting heart rate as 76. Most female marathoners have a resting heart rate in the 50s or lower. Right. So for context, mine's about 75. Okay. And I run, I jog twice a week. That sounds low. Really low distances, short distances, and I lift weights twice a week.

Right. elite runners should be down in the 50, between 40 and 60 probably. So she's got a very average heart rate. So the fitter you get at the longer distance, your heart rate lowers. Your resting heart rate is lower. Is resting heart rate anything to do with resting bitch face? No, but some people are lucky enough to have both. A resting bitch face was in the mid-70s when it should have been in the mid-40s.

For an elite runner. So after the race, former runner and person I made. mentioned earlier, Kathy Switzer spoke to Ruiz as part of some TV coverage of the event. She was interviewing on TV and commented that Boston was her second race ever and that she had improved from a time of two hours 56 in New York to two hours 31 in just six months. I love the idea of her just being like, what is this good? She's on TV. And Switzerland was like, this is a huge improvement in a very short.

period of time and she says, have you been doing a lot of heavy intervals, which is something that you would do to improve your time? She said, no, I haven't, I haven't had my period yet this month. Oh, regret? That's a big regret. Heavy intervals. Can I ask, Matt's heard heavy and went to period. With a period joke there.

But can I actually ask as the token non-fit person here, what is a heavy interval? So as in you would be pushing for faster, um, it? Fast at times and probably interval training. So run, walk, run, walk, run walk. Oh, okay. Try to get fit, like your fitness. And then instead of aiming for two and a half hours, you aim to like take a minute off your time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yeah. Right. I had no idea what that meant either. Okay, good. I thought, because you just moved on so quickly. I was like, well, I'm sure there's at least one person at home who doesn't know what that means, and I'm going to ask for them to.

Thank you. Elite runners would know their split time. So as in, let's say, for example, you're running, five miles, your split would be like the first mile I did it in this time, second mile was in this time, third mile. Now you're talking. So you're playing Grand Tourismo and you pass a checkpoint and the little thing comes out and there's a little ghost car from the last lap that shows how quick you were doing

last time. Yes. So it's the little ghost car. It's a ghost car. Yeah. Yeah. God, that's an amazing analogy. Daytona terms for me, Dave.

So you've put $2 in and you've got 30 seconds of enjoyment and now you've crashed out. What a great game. It's good fun. Manual, no fucking mind. Oh, never! If you play Daytona and you put it into manual, you are either the world's greatest driver or you're an idiot.

Manual's more fun. No, it's not. It never makes any sense. Not in Daytona. You're bloody doing donuts. You're spinning out. What's going on? It's no good. My thing was Daytona, you get four mates together and they're all lined up, so you try and play the same race. But if you don't hit the button in time,

suddenly you're driving on your own race. They're over there. Everyone's having fun. I'm just racing against the computer. They're high-fiving each other. You're going to be the best man in my wedding. You're like seven years old. They're all in business together.

It's just me versus the fucking ghost car. A little Dave. So sad. So anyway, Switzerland says, have you been doing a lot of heavy intervals? and Ruiz says, no, I haven't had a period. For a while. Should I get that check?

I think I need to see a doctor. Hang on, what day is it? Oh, boy. I'm feeling kicks. Is that an issue? Yeah. The real pullback and reveal here is that she's seven months pregnant. And I'm also going to say anything.

And that's how shaped half an hour of her time. Really, I'm running for two. You've got four legs now. Yeah, my baby's. running with me. Let me tell you that. I do, I do like weights training and one of my friends that I train with is

like due in a couple of weeks. She is heavily pregnant. Still trains. And she is deadlifting over my body weight. She's just picking me up. It's fucking mental and so inspiring. Women are incredible. Does that mean the baby will be buff?

I hope so. Tying a little baby six pack. Oh, hello. Anyway, okay. So, Switzer says, have you been doing a lot of heavy intervals? Ruhr says, someone else asked me that. I'm not sure what intervals are. What are they? She's not even hiding it.

So it feels like she's not a cheat thing. It's just a, she's an alien or something. Is it still on TV? It's on TV, yeah. I've seen the footage. It's amazing. And is KV, Switzer like, sorry, what? What are you talking?

She asks her a lot of questions. She keeps kind of probing and she's like, and what, this is, how many marathons have you done? She's like, two? Okay, and your first one was six months ago and you've improved by 20 something minutes. She's like, she's very friendly, but you can tell she's kind of like, and she concludes.

I've worked really hard. Yeah. Get where I got. You just did it a couple of times. My now husband had to push someone off the road to let me run, but you just fucking waltz on in. Run it like 90 minutes faster than I do. Insane.

But can I pull it? point out that we once did an Olympic special episode where I reported on Emil Zatopec, the Czech runner. And he won the gold medal at the Olympics in his first ever marathon. He signed up like the week before and was like, yeah, won the 5,000 and 10,000 meters. And he was like, I'll give it a go. Yeah, I'll give it a crack. And then he won his first ever marathon.

And that's Olympic standard. So maybe she's just a free. And we also did a bonus episode about an Olympic marathon where a man. was run off track by a pack of wild dogs. And he finished the race. I think he came in the top four. He ran an extra K. Because he was chased off course.

Chased him off course. And another man wore business pants and shoes to the start line and someone got scissors out, cut him down. He finished the race, I think. One hitchhiked. Another one got an apple, ate an apple, had a stomachache, so I had a nap for an hour, and then finished the race. If you have it.

Check out that bonus episode. I've cried, laughed for the majority of it. It was a solid... We filmed you laughing, and that video goes for a solid two minutes. It's so funny. It is really, really... It's so delightful. I'm using every ounce of my self-control to not cry again right now about these fucking wild dogs.

And the thing is, like, you are so dry and have, and you rarely crack like that. You have such little charisma. You fucking lost it. And I was actually at one point, I thought you were crying and I thought Matt's had a bit of a breakdown here. And I was sort of like gesturing to Dave like maybe stop recording for a minute. I think we need to check in with Matt mentally because you were just screaming. It was the best. So yeah, definitely go back and check out that because what happened with some dogs, Matt?

Well, I don't want to give too much away. That episode is available on our Patreon feed. So, Switzerland, she kind of concludes her interview by saying, Rosie Ruiz, the mystery woman winner. We missed her at all our checkpoints. Oh. Which brings up an excellent point. Wait, what?

Well, that's why she's not getting any of those times people are talking about because she... She doesn't know her splits. Yes, no one's giving her the splits. So she... Hold on. My music's trying to explain this and guess what's happened. She's running so fast that they've missed her. That's probably it.

Because people don't expect a lady to be able to run. that fast on a second ever a marathon. Yeah. I don't understand. Like that seems like something's a miss and she's just saying it like it's like I don't understand why she's just saying, oh, we missed her at all our checkpoints on TV. The commentator says it as she crosses the finish line. Right.

He's like, well, didn't see her at any checkpoints. There's a couple of alarm bells ringing for me. Oh, man. There's so many. And yet they said, do you want to go talk about this on TV right now? Yeah. That's not just a quick little check. Let's give her the metal.

make the fuss, announce the winner. Yeah, everyone's clapping. I guess we'll just go from there. So no one, neither competitor nor spectator, could remember having seen her during the first 25 miles. She was that quick. That is fast. She acknowledged that she'd only started training 18 months earlier.

She only ran the last five miles on the race. By running around Central Park, because she was from New York. And she only ever competed in one other marathon, the New York Marathon, six months earlier, where she had a notably slower, although still impressive times. That's when she did in 256. Yeah. But now she's in six months who's shaved off 20 minutes.

When asked by a reporter why she did not seem fatigued after the grueling race, she said, I got up with a lot of energy this morning. Yeah. Which I get that. At a barrocca. There's some days where you're like, I'm jumping out of bed. And other days, bloody hell, it is a struggle. Am I right?

Yeah, it's a real struggle. Am I right? And that alarm goes off. I get snooze a couple times. You know what I'm going to do. Oh, boy. Yeah. So, yeah, she's got a lot of energy,

so that's why she doesn't even seem tired after running a full marathon. I just want to... That one makes sense. Because I love stats and facts. 30 plus years later, the record for fastest marathon by a woman is two hours and 15 minutes. So she's only 15 minutes off the world record pace 35 years ago. It's a doable pace, but it's very, very fast. But, like, for your second ever marathon, that is really...

Top three all time at that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're a freak. The good kind. some of her fellow female competitors asked her what she noticed about the suburb of Wellesley. Wellesley? And she said, oh, the trees.

And they said, there is no Wellesley. Aha! Well, no, they asked her about it because famously, the students of Wellesley College, which is a women's college, form what is affectionately called the scream tunnel. For about a quarter of a mile of 400 metres, the students line the school. course and they scream and they cheer for the runners, particularly female runners. And the tunnel is roughly half a mile before the halfway mark of the course. And runners say that you can hear it about a mile away.

So you know you're getting close because you can already hear them screaming. They're just standing there screaming nonstop. They're just being supportive. Sounds like a hazing procedure. Are they trying to get an alpha belt or something? They're just cheering. But they call it the screaming. tunnel.

But when they asked her about Wellesley, she did not mention the scream tunnel at all. So they were like, that's weird. You'd probably be aware of that. Yeah. She accidentally run the wrong course. Oh, that's sweet. A longer course. I run from New York.

Canadian runner Jacqueline Garrow was told that she was leading the race at the 18 mile mark. So as she sort of gets to that checkpoint, they're like, you're in the lead, kid. And Patty Lyons was told she was second at the 17-mile. mile mark. Ruiz couldn't have passed either of them without being noticed as both were obviously gunning for the women's title. So they would have been hyper aware of other women. Yeah.

So they're like, we didn't see her at all and I was told I was winning. Why not lift each other up, ladies? You know what I mean? Being hyper aware of each other? Why so competitive? Come on. You know what I mean? In a race.

Yeah. Why so competitive? In a competition. You know what I mean? Yeah. Thank you. Duh. So you see what I see.

Do you see any of the men being competitive? Yeah. Exactly. Now we're doing feminism right. Yes. Let's keep it equal. Several spotters at checkpoints throughout the course also didn't remember seeing her in the first group of women. In addition, she did not appear in any pictures or video footage. I think Dave's right. Too fast for cameras. That's fast. There were blurs in some shops.

You can see me here, here and possibly here. Yeah. I mean, that's just technology not keeping up with her. Yeah, yeah. But a few days later, two Harvard students came forward to say they'd seen her run onto the course from the sidelines just a mile from the finish line. That is awesome. That is so awesome. Is she just like a chases war and everything-style prank? Is that what this is?

Chas Lichadello. Is this Johnny Knoxville trying to win the marathon? So, yeah. I was thinking, the way she was answering it just sounded like she was real naive. but if she's just straight up blatantly cheated, that's so funny that she's then going, so funny. I didn't even research any of the terms.

What are intervals? I don't know. What's running? I just went for a jog. Yeah. Just decided yesterday I'd give it a go. So the skepticism surrounding Rosie Ruiz led to the New York marathon to also look into the legitimacy of her finishing time from six months earlier.

For the New York marathon, she was credited with the time of 256, 29, which was the 11th woman overall, enough for her to qualify for Boston. Weirdly, her application for the New York Marathon was submitted after the cutoff date, but she'd been granted special dispensation due to her claim that she was dying of brain cancer. Oh. She was absolutely not dying of brain cancer.

Oh, okay, I was going to say, that's really, that's the right thing to do if she is dying, let her in. Let her in. No, she wasn't. A woman called Susan Morrow, who was a freelance photographer, came forward to tell the New York Times that she'd been on the subway with Ruiz, during the New York marathon. She's how are these people's memories? She won the marathon by catching a train.

So she did start it. But is that during the New York one? No, New York. This is a New York. So the 11 one. So New York's looking into it now as well. How is this photographer's memory of six months ago? Oh, yeah.

It wasn't six. Oh, yeah. You know how she, because she remembers someone jogging onto the. Oh, yeah, right. And then standing in front of the door jogging for 25 minutes. And then when the doors opened. The number. The door's open and she ran out.

So I think that is technically, it's jogging on the spot. Yeah. That's right. She's still covering the ground. Well, Ruaz had told Susan that she had dropped out at the 10-mile mark with an injured ankle and that she was trying to just get to the finish line to watch her fellow competitors finish the race. She's like, I started, hurt my ankle. I'm just going to go and cheer them on.

So they're on the train together. They're chatting. And then the two women walked together from the subway to the race. But Susan then lost sight of her new friend and didn't think anything of it until news of the Boston controversy. So does that explain how she remembers? Like, how does she remember? She just saw this woman on the train, formed a lifelong bond, and then all of a sudden she remembers her six months later?

No. No. Oh, yeah, maybe. Their brains don't work that way. Women can't remember more than one and a half miles at a time. Women can't remember more than one and a half people. Yeah, I study phrenology and is that the one with the brain size? I'd study phrenology and, yeah, I think I understand women can't run a race.

Who do you reckon has the smallest brain of the three of us? Don't answer that. Dave's got a big head. Thank you. Thank you. Big empty head. Plenty. Plenty room in this dome.

Got that homer buffer around the brain. Yeah, that's right. I can take a two by four. No problem. Anyway, so New York City Marathon officials launched an investigation and could not find any sign of Ruiz near the finish line. on April 25 So the New York one She didn't actually even cross the finish line

What apparently happened Is that she like went to a medical tent or something Again probably like oh my ankle And they're like oh what was your time And she told them and they just noted it down That's how easy it is That's not a good system That's how easy it was

Okay that's awesome Now you got little tags that they beep Hey yeah so I just did it in an hour 15 minutes so can I have a sandwich So they go through thousands of photos, all of their press video and everything. Nothing of it. Do you get a prize other than the glory of the stage? That's a big question.

I don't actually know. I don't think so. Because you can understand if she's got $50,000 or something. No. Sounds like a lot of effort to figure out if this woman came 11th or not. Yeah, exactly. So then on April 25, based on this and other evidence, the Games Committee of, of the New York City Marathon retroactively disqualified Ruiz from the 1979 race.

So they're like, you didn't actually finish, you're disqualified. Later that week, the Boston Marathon also disqualified her as well. So technically because they disqualified her from New York, she probably already should have been disqualified from Boston, but Boston did some of their own research, and they disqualified her as well. Are you looking up if there's prize money? Yeah, did you want to know? Yeah, is it?

Currently, the fastest overall man and woman each win 150 grand. Oh, fuck. Whoa, that is big money. That's huge. Second gets 75, third, 40. And, yeah, you get, so, it wouldn't have been like this back then, but 11th place gets $2,600. Oh, wow.

Hmm. That's New York or Boston? That's Boston. Right, okay. She came 11th in New York. Oh, yeah, so she came first in Boston. First in Boston. But I imagine the, yeah, 1980 would have been.

It would have been different. But regardless, there's. Yeah, there is, at least now there is. Yeah, I wonder if there was then. That's a lot of cash. I didn't read anything about the money. So maybe there wasn't at the time. I'm sorry if you know the race inside out and you know the answer.

But I didn't read anything about any prize money or anything like that. So I'm not sure. Anyway, so yeah, Boston's done their own investigation and then they take action. And so Jacqueline Garrow was declared the female winner with a time of two hours, 34 minutes. So she only came in four minutes behind this woman. anyway. Who didn't run. Yeah, at that time it was the fastest recorded for a woman in the Boston Marathon.

And Patty Lyons was moved up to second place. And her time of two hours 35 minutes, so she was just behind Jackie, was the fastest ever recorded for an American woman in a marathon at the time. So Rosie's bullshit dampened these two women breaking records. I still am not convinced about the bullshit. My theory is she's so fast, too fast for cameras. What was, what, do we, do I guess you're going to explain, what was in it for her? Would she just sort of, she was just a bit of a troublemaker?

Who knows? I still don't know. Who knows? Because after her disqualification, Ruiz was quoted as saying, I can truthfully and honestly say without hesitation that today has been the second saddest day of my life. Okay. Only to be surpassed by the day I had to leave my father in my native country 18 years ago. She left Cuba for Florida when she was eight years old.

So she is still going No, I absolutely And there was press leading up to Before she was disqualified And she was like crying and saying like It's just so insulting She's like I got to enjoy it for one minute And then there's all of this has started

And everyone's doubting me And if this title is stripped from me I don't know what I'll do Like she was really And people were supporting her Like she joined a running club in New York Not the New York like the New York roadrunners Are like a really big one

And even Switzerland is asking her about it in the interview? She's like, no, I'm not a member of them. She's joined some running club the week before the New York marathon. And people from that are backing her up. Oh. They're like, no. She can run that fast? Of course she can.

Wow, weird. It's really weird. It is the kind of thing where she, if there's all this press and stuff going, you've cheated, you can't run that fast. She could go, well, all right, next week, let's do it again. Everyone can watch me do it. And well, in one newspaper, they ran like a little article thing saying, hey, we believe you.

Really, we do. Prove it to people, do it again, and we'll give you $1,000. Which at the time, big money. But she was like, I won't do that. I choose not to run. Yeah, exactly. She buried it. Superman theme.

So the whole time, she never admitted that she'd lied and cheated. And she always stood by her claim that she had just done a few extra laps of Central Park, and that was it. Just, I won. I don't know how to explain. that I'm not in any photos, that nobody saw me, that there's no checkpoints, that I wasn't sweating. What do you mean she did a few extra laps? She was saying that that's how she decreased her time so significantly.

I've been running around Central Park a lot. I didn't train for the New York, and I trained a little bit for this. Obviously. I thought you were saying I ran at the same speed, but in New York I got lost. I did a few laps to Central Park. Then I found the way, and then that was 25 minutes lost. Silly me. But hey, so it came 11th, so.

Did she ever run again? professionally? No. Wow. How confusing. That is fool Jerry. She just never ran again so we can never fully prove that she can't run that fast. Yep.

She has always maintained that she completed and won the race, fair and square. She kept her medal. They let her keep the medal and they made a new one for Jacqueline Garrow. Okay. And, yeah, so she always maintained that she did it. But in 1996, a guy called Steve Marrick, one of the people who, had been defending her, a member of that running club, he said that several months after the marathon,

she admitted to him that she'd cheated. But that's the only time that she's apparently said she did. Right, but it's a bit of hearsay. Yeah, prove it, man. This is a quote from him to the Boston Globe. He said, she jumped out of the crowd, not knowing that the first woman hadn't gone by yet. Believe me, she was as shocked as anyone when she came in first.

So she timed it badly. Yeah. Because if she'd come in, I don't know if she planned on winning it, but if she'd come in like maybe further down. Like she did in New York. Yeah, like less notable, but maybe still for a little bit of prize money. Maybe it was money related. That's like when we talked about,

I did the report on Donald Crowhurst, who entered that round the world sailing event. His plan was to, in the end, come in second. Because first is the one that people focus on and then they go through photos and make. But if you come second, they go, great, good on you. You can't second.

No worries. So she could have done that. Like, he still would have completed it. Yeah, so you still get the kudos of, yeah, did it? But my surprise is that she jumped out of the crowd and no one was like, hey, what's that lady doing? Yeah. But yet someone six months earlier remembered it subway ride with it. Yeah.

More recently, very recently, Bill Rogers, the guy who won, the man who won, he was interviewed about it as well. And his theory, like, he was the one who, like, noticed she wasn't sweated. and didn't know her split times and stuff. But he was like, she was wearing quite a heavy t-shirt and she had the sleeves down. If you're all running, you're going to roll your sleeves up so that you can sweat.

I'm like, Bill, do you understand how sweat works? It doesn't come out of the t-shirt. What are you talking about? Some people run in t-shirts, Bill. Some people run in like spacesuits. They can do whatever they want to do, Bill. What a weird thing to say. Did you see Kathy Framing?

She wore a hoon. And she smashed it. All the way of gold. Their doubts about that run? Oh my God. They better not be. I mean, that was very televised. Yeah.

There was so many cameras. We've definitely seen start to finish of that one. Yeah. Every angle. Because it also went for 20 seconds or something. The maximum I could do at school, I've never, I'm not a long distance runner. I was definitely a sprinter. And I was good at 100 meters.

200 was a push. The one time I tried 400. Oh, boy. Did you make it? Yeah, but poorly. They meant to be the hardest. My God. Four and 800 are meant to be

because they're like sprints but they're long sprints so they're the most brutal ones Well it's kind of about like you gotta get your pace right so you're not going 100% the whole time Right But I was like I don't really know how to go like 75%

Yeah I'm running I don't know how to do anything less than one I don't know how to not go super fast I don't know how to not win So she was never officially punished For her course cutting But her lying didn't stop there

Also, I also read that a lot of, like, marathoners consider course cutting worse than doping. Right. Like, that is the ultimate dog act. Because doping, you're at, you still have to run the full race. Exactly. Doping, at least you're still attempting the full thing. But if you're cutting the course, you are a fucking dog. I reckon course cutting is the funnier of the two, though.

A hundred percent. Like, if you're, to bring it back to video games, you're playing Mario Cut or whatever. If you can do like a little thing that cuts off half a lap or something, you drive through the sand and it works out in your favour. That's a great moment. Yeah. That is a great moment. Yeah.

Yeah, you've been outsmarted other runners. Exactly. Don't get taught. It's a tactic. Course cutting is a tactic. If you can get away with it. Yeah. I'm running less distance faster than you.

Yeah. I'm being efficient. Yeah. Who's the idiot here? Come on. Do I have to explain this to your tiny brain? Hmm. Also, I've taken.

which apparently is less bad Yeah, her lying didn't quite stop there So a couple of years later she was charged for embezzling $60,000 From a real estate company where she worked She spent one week in jail and was sentenced to five years probation No, surely the transaction was just too fast to track That sounds like, yeah, it's just got the vibe of a compulsive liar Who kind of believes her own bullshit

I think so That is often part of the problem really, isn't it? Well, she then moved back to South Florida where she was arrested in 1983 for her involvement in a cocaine deal to an undercover cop. Cocaine makes you pretty quick. And again, three years probation.

Didn't do any jail time for that. Basically, just kind of summing it up. So Rosie Ruiz actually, she passed away earlier this year, possibly why Brianna was aware of her. It was in the news a little bit again. But her death almost went unnoticed. Someone happened to spot an obituary with a photo that looked a lot like her

and the name Rosie M. Vivas, which is a surname she understandably kept even after her divorce in the late 80s. You probably wouldn't keep Ruiz, you know. People could look you up too easily. She must have a very memorable face. Yeah. People are seeing photos, be like, oh, that's her. People are remembering her from the subway, of course. Yeah.

Well, there's like lots of photos and footage from those press conferences and stuff so you can compare them pretty easily. Are you saying that she kept a different name because you believe that she doesn't like notoriety? this woman who cheated to win races? I don't like attention. Oh, I don't like, oh, I don't want everyone looking at me. Oh, no. But, yeah, basically she was, she passed away earlier this year, I think cancer, if I'm remembering correctly,

and she was survived by her partner of 26 years, Margarita Alvarez and Alvarez's three sons. So after the race and a couple of criminal offences in the 80s, pretty normal quiet life from then on. But for that one race in 1980, she was the centre of attention for a long time and never, we never really got closure where she was like, yeah, look,

I meant to come in like forth, have some cash and move on. I stuffed up my timing. How old was she when she passed? 66 or something. Oh, I forgot to mention she was 26 at the time of the Boston Marathon. Right. They're quite young. So we led to believe this is some sort of mystery episode?

In a way, yes. And also, they were like, well, this looks like her. So there's a little part of me that's like, she's still out there. No, I'm pretty sure it is. And I don't mean to disrespect, but there's a little part of me that's like, maybe she's not. Wow, she's too fast for death. I can't. Could the mole people be involved?

Maybe they tunneled her a shortcut. I can only assume that is exactly what's happened. Of course cutting through the mole people. Yeah. But that is my report on Rosie Ruiz in the 1980 Boston Marathon. That is such an interesting tale. Thank you very much, Jess Perkins. So, so fun.

So wild. Crazy. Well done, Rosie Ruiz. And while on to the Patreon's, we're picking a good story. Yeah. That's one that I'd never heard of. I tried not to give it away too much because the way that Brianna had written it in the hat

was like, Rosie Ruiz, the woman who won the marathon by taking the subway. But I didn't want to put that in there and ruin it for people. So I just said she won by cheating. Right. And 50% of the people are like, tell me more, Jess. So yeah, well-loaded.

So you're never been proven, but you're saying she cheated. I'm saying she cheated and she's maybe alive. Wow. Whoa. And also her running club backed her up. So I think she is legit and too fast for cameras. Yeah. So Matt and I are not convinced that she's a cheater.

Because even if the mole people did borrow her a shortcut, that's going to still be longer. because she's got to go down. Yeah. And then up again. Yeah, that takes time. Through the fortress of the malls. Exactly.

She probably had to stop for tea, which is, you know, one of the cultural things they make you do. It would be very rude to disrespect to the king of the moles. And they are notoriously messy, so she really had to climb over some stuff too, you know. I've never pictured them, mole people. Are they people who look like moles or moles who look like people?

I'm imagining Hans Moleman because there is that Simpson's thing where he says, there is no escape from the fortress of the mole. And then he bunty jumps straight back up. That's good stuff. There we go. You snuck one in there. Another Simpsons thing that I could, it just was running through my head the whole way through.

One of the characters in this story was called Spitzer. And my head kept going, White Wine, Spritzer, Spritzer, Switzerland. Switzerland. That's close. Very close. Very close. Switzer.

Switzerland. Switzerland. Great episode. Yeah. But then, here we are. That is a great. Great tale. Thank you very much, Jess Perkins, for informing us. An absolute pleasure.

Thank you so much. And before we jump into our patron section of the episode, just in case people missed it at the start of this episode, we are hitting up Sydney this Saturday night for a fantastic live show at the Giant Dwarf Theatre. Ah, Dwarf the Wharf the Rock Johnson's friend. The giant, the wharf. This Saturday night in Redfern.

And we also just announced our Ireland and UK tour happening in December where we're visiting Dublin, Glasgow, Leeds, Bristol, still London and Birmingham. Tickets for the Patreon supporters are on sale this Friday morning, local time, and Monday morning for everyone else if tickets are still available. So please. Come on, Dan. My God, it would be so great if everyone came out again because it was like probably the best

couple of weeks of my year last year going to the UK with you guys. Oh, big time. It was awesome. And I'm really excited to go back. We had so much fun at the shows last year, but also just, you know, beautiful part of the world. and I get to go back to Dublin, so I'm very happy. So fine. And we get, we pretty much, I feel like we met a good 50% of the people who came

at the shows. After the shows took us as long as the shows. Longer. Yeah. It was amazing. So nice. And we'll be doing that again, hanging out, saying, hey, getting some photos if you are keen to do that.

Yeah. And yes, if you missed it as well at the top, we are in the midst of planning a North American thing, it's going to be most likely Canada in the first half of next year. and we will have more details to announce about that in the coming weeks or months. Yes, coming time. Yes, thank you. That's more efficient in the time ahead. Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite segment of the show.

It's the fact quote or question segment of the show. Fact quote or question. And that's where one of our patrons at patreon.com slash do go on pod on the Sydney-Shyneberg deluxe level. get to give us a fact, a quote, or you probably guessed it by now, a question. One of those three. And this week, already been mentioned on this episode, funnily enough, Tienan Ennis. Tiernan! Hey!

He's given us a quote, but you also get to give yourself a title, and he's given himself the title of fifth-tier assistant to the seventh level intern of the sound department of Do Go On Tour. Yes. That is, no joke, that's just the next one in line, entirely quintuille. Incidentally. That's awesome. Don't reckon about Tienin. And I'd hope that he and his lovely wife wouldn't mind me saying this.

I feel like I could run at Tienan and jump and he would just catch me, you know? I think it's because he reminds me my friend Lewis physically. They look very similar. Tall men with red beads. Yeah, yeah. And I do that to Lewis. I just jump and he catches me. And I reckon Tienin would, I would trust him to catch me.

We're talking like dirty dancing catch? Oh. Or I don't think I have the core strength for that. Right. But no, more just like a, ah! You know? Yeah. That kind of...

Catch me! If you fall, I'll be... Time after time. Tienin. Anyway, Tienin. He's given us a quote, which we don't get heaps of quotes, I don't believe. And his quote is, A corpse is meat gone bad.

Well, and what's cheese? corpse of milk That's a James Joyce quote And he A famous Dubliner And then he said Not everyone likes cheese Yuck

And I just talked about cheese before This is spooky I feel like Tienan is giving us a subtle hint He's not into cheese And that's fine I wasn't for a long time either And then I discovered A double brie

Oh Do you discover the joy of cheese. Yum, yum, yum. God, I live for it. I live for cheese. You love cheese. I live for the milk corpse.

That isn't, yeah, the milk corpse isn't a way I would describe it to try and get someone on board. Sorry, I just had an idea for the next part of what we do here. Oh, great. Well, we should say a big thank you to TNNNS. What a bloody legend. Thanks, TNN. Fifth year assistant. Can't wait to see you very soon.

In Dublin, I'll shout you some cheese, mate. hoping that you'll say you hate it and then I'll eat it at all. Yeah, let's share a cheese platter. So that brings us to everyone's favourite segment of the show and that is where we thank a few of our Patrions. Yes, and I've had an idea for a game we can play with our patrons this week. And that is what sporting event do we think they would win? Legitimately, these are not a bunch of chequels.

Great, okay. Is that an okay idea? Great. Because, I mean, I love the idea that they course cut no matter what this board is, even for archery. Yeah, great, okay. Yeah, that's fair. Can I start things off? Sure, please do.

All right. From, oh my God, and again, ironically, not ironically, but coincidentally, from Dublin in Dublin, I would like to thank Emma Kugan. Oh, Kug's. This has been a big episode for you. First of all, you find out we're coming to you. Secondly, I mention your name. Thirdly, you go, oh, fuck, I'm actually away during that time and I won't be there. I don't know, I'm just assuming maybe.

It's possible. You've got plans. Coogs, are you going to be there? Coogs! Come on down. Cugs. In the Coogh again. So what's the thing?

It's an event. Or any kind of sporting event or a sport? I'm going to say she wins the 100 meter guitar solo sprint. Whoa. So she's got a sprint. And shred. Yeah, there's a Marshall stack at the finish line. You've got a hundred metre lead and you're holding a telecaster, right?

I love that there are wireless systems available, but you've still got to leave. Because you've got to run the full length of the lead. And whoever knocks over their stack first, but you've got to shred the whole way. Wow. And she did. Wow, good for Emma. Wow, what was her solo of choice? Is it like, do you just make it up?

Her shortcut was she used power cords. Right. Oh, that's cheating. Is that cheating? Sure. Especially if you're supposed to be doing a solo. Yeah. You play a court.

Oh, I just played a G chord for 100 meters. That is not a solo. It's not a solo. Kuggs, come on. That's just really annoying. It wasn't even fun to listen to. Also, they're all competing at the same time. Yeah. It's a cacophony.

It wouldn't sound good. Yeah. That guy who's in jail for murder loved it, though. The wall of sound. guy. Okay. What's his name? I can fix his face.

There's an episode in him. I was listening to something recently. I'll talk about. Specter. Phil Specter. Phil Spector. Producer, he went to jail a few years ago. He, like, produced, let it be the original.

John Mullaney was on a podcast. He's like, and he was saying how, um, he, he, he, he wore an afro wig at his trial as a tribute to Jimmy Hendricks. Good. He's trial for what? For murder. The one that he wore this huge Afro wig, apparently, as a tribute to Jimmy Hendricks as he's getting sentenced for murder.

It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. We've got to do an episode. I forgot about it. We've got to do an episode on that guy. I mean, that's entirely within our control. You can definitely do that. Okay. Thank you so much to Emma Coogan.

We really hope that we can see you in a few months in your beautiful, beautiful city. And I would also like to thank, oh my God, from another place we're going very soon. We promised that this is not. Sydney. We are going to Leeds. We are, yes. And hopefully we are going to see Jimothy Miller there. Jimothy Miller.

Jimothy. Jimothy. That's so good. I didn't know that was a real name. I was going to say. That's been a long-term favorite joke name of mine, Jimothy. I call my friend James Jimothy sometimes. That's good.

Yeah. I didn't realize it was a real name. Jimithy. I don't know how to feel about that. Jimitha. Jimitha. Jimitha. So good.

Love it. Thank you, Jimitha. Okay. What sport, Dave? Is Jimitha the winner of? I think he's really good on the unparallel bars. Oh. In the gymnastics.

The uneven bars. No, not the uneven. That's a real thing. So they cross over at some point. Yeah. Where? Basically, what they do for this event is they take you to any, like you're blindfolded. You put in a van.

Sounds weird, but it's not, but it is. And they drive you to any park. They released you onto the jungle gym and you've got to perform with whatever you got there. And they call that the unparallel bars because there's stuff. The swirly ones. Yeah. And you've got the ones with nauts and crosses on it. Yeah, you've got to try and play Nauts and Crosses game.

There's the steering wheel for some reason up top there. Wow. Two different slides. You get burnt by both of them. God. And he is the best. Wow, Jimithay. Thanks, Jimithay.

We hope to see you in Leeds. The wardrobe. What a great venue there that was. Love that was a lot of fun. Loved our time of the wardrobe. Oh, you know what's different about this tour of the UK? I'm not not drinking. Oh, no.

Does that mean you're... Oh, God. Does that mean you're not not driving? No, you are not driving. Sorry? No, no. I learn a lot in that. Year of not drinking, I'm way more responsible these days.

Wait, look and I'm going to be like that. So we'd leave that for a second. Have a think about that. Genuinely, I am. Okay. I am. Okay. I like to drive.

Can I thank a couple of people please? I would love if you would thank a couple people. Oh, thank you so much. I'd love to thank from Sheffield, which isn't actually too far from Leeds. No, I think that that is a few people from Sheffield were at our last year's lead show. I would love to thank Hannah McCaffey. Hannah McAfee. Which is a name I've seen.

I think I might have even chatted to Hannah before online. It's one of my all-time favorite names. Hannah McAfee. It's so good. It's genuinely so good. Hannah Maccaffe. What kind of event do you think she won? Perko.

Hannah is actually the world champion of freestyle, improvised, synchronized swimming. But it's not synchronized, obviously, because it's improvised and it's solo. So basically she just, it's like water day. dancing. Oh. You think about that. You think about like calisthenics or like sports aerobics.

Yeah. It's that but in the water. Yeah. But also I think the thing that it stands out so much about Hannah is the elements of ballet that she incorporates. Oh, wow. Because it's not just, it's not just physically impressive in terms of like the power. It's also really moving.

She puts the lake and swan lake. Yes. Wow. And honestly, the judge is really important. in tears. It was truly moving and beautiful. Oh, beautiful. Okay, great.

Yeah, but they weren't like, I hate it, you know. Part of the dance was her yelling at them, pointing at their floors. Evoking emotion is what she calls it. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, that's what Hannah. I feel evoked. Yeah, I feel emotion.

Hannah McCaffee. Thank you so much for your support. I hope we can see you, Hannah. McCaffee, a 55 minute drive, have you left now from Sheffield to lead? Don't leave now. No, you'll be there so early. Way too early. An 11-hour walk.

That seems, I mean, still, you don't have to wait now. Yeah. Yeah, just move, move there and just wait. I want to, can we drive through Sheffield? I've heard good things. Sure. If we've got time. Great.

It's pretty tight turn around this tour. It is a tight tour. Could I also think a little closer to home in Cranbourne West? Yes. Ashley Boucher. Latchford. Oh, Ashley. Now that is a name.

Jess, could you have a crack at that for me? Ashley. What? Abel? Oh, Ashley, get Dave to do it. Dave's better at things. Yeah, he's French. I reckon Boucher is probably...

Yeah, I reckon. And Ashley, I reckon you're probably used to people saying that wrong. Ashley Buzuree. I'm very sorry. Thank you so much. Ashley. Dave, do you have any idea what Ashley? Well, I reckon a double barrel name, a double barrel shotgun.

Oh. She's a competitive shooter. Yep. And she shoots the tires. of mailmen. Whoa. Tires of male men. Yeah.

Like their trucks or? Yeah, no, like the little, the bikes. Posty bikes. Posty bikes. She takes out their tires. Cool. And she's so good at it that they were like, can't beat them, join them.

Give her a medal. Wow. So she was just doing it recreationally for a while. Yeah. She just had a thing against the post. Yeah. Oh, don't we all? They delivered, well, they didn't deliver.

Yeah. A few too many times. Yeah. We are, we're assuming Ashley is a, woman's name, are you? It could definitely be male. They. There you go.

Sorry, Ashley, I've presumed wrong there. They are. Either way, you're handy with a double barrel shotgun. I've just Googled her. I believe, if this is her with a horse... Are we sure the horse is not... How many Ashley Bougar Latchfords could there be? I found her, my space.

God, that's weird that you googled her. Oh, sorry. Sorry if that's weird. I just... Sorry. Don't worry, Matt, we'll drop by. you're a house on the way home tonight. And apologize.

No, I want a lot. I just wanted to, I just was like, oh, Ashley is a unisex name. Is there anything else on the MySpace? Oh my God. I haven't. I haven't looked. I closed it as soon as just shamed me. Thank a couple of people, please.

So I was just hoping for like some rainbows or something, you know, that. Remember you just have to code it yourself? Oh, yeah. That was weird. Part of the fun, I think. Yeah, I agree. I was like, I want this bit to be bold and this bit to be italic and this bit to be in a bigger font.

And I knew how to do that now. I don't know. And heart semicolon. Yeah, of course. And who's your top friend? It was always my best friend, Christy, because no man got in our way. Do you what I mean? Yes.

And you and Christy? I was talking with Tom, I think. Yeah. You and Christy, no man's ever gotten in your way? No. Nice. No man. That's a beautiful story.

Yep. She's married. And at her wedding, there's a picture of when we were signing all the documents and shit. Autographs. She's sitting down and her new husband is like, giving her a kiss on the cheek. On the other side, there's Perko. Also giving her a little kiss on the cheek.

Just to remind him that she's not all yours, mate, okay? Just to remind him that she has an inappropriate best friend. He's ready to ruin every moment. She has a best friend. He doesn't know boundaries. Cutting the cake, first dance with her dad. You're there. I was there.

Oh, what, I wasn't. What? The maid of honours are not supposed to jump in there and dance with the dad. Come here, Ian. I assume his name's him. His name's Rudy. Wow, that's really cool. He's great, dude.

A really cool name. I know that because I'm very close with the family. James, back off. All right? I would like to finally thank two fantastic people that have been supporting the show for a while now. I'd like to thank from Alexandria in New South Wales. Oh, yeah. I would like to thank Amelia Rice.

Amelia Rice. Good name, Amelia Rice. Yeah, I like that. Like a one-syllable last name. Champion climber of trees. Yeah. Wow. Tall trees.

Really tall. Really quick to the top? Yeah. Can go the highest? She's quick to the top of the highest trees. But also technique-wise. Yeah. She is renowned in the sport as like a beautiful climb.

Right. So this judge is giving her tens on the ground. And it's just nice to watch. And once on top, she can just prance on the canopies. Yeah, it's amazing. Prance. How does she do it? Up on the canopies?

That's not even part of the competition anymore. She just doesn't. It's just part of her flair. That's her showing off, really. Yeah, she's quite arrogant. But wouldn't you be? Yeah. When you're the best.

Your friend's on a canopy. She's not an idiot. Yeah. Thank you so much, Amelia Rice. Thank you, Amelia Rice. Thank you, Amelia Rice. And finally, another Irish listener. And again, this is just from chance, but it's been supporting this show for a long time from Tipperary.

Hey, we're a long, long way from Tipperary. That's the thing, isn't it? Is that whereabouts in Ireland is that? Whereabouts is Tipperary in Ireland? Yeah, I don't know my geography too. Tipperary. Oh, that looks, it's like the middle of Ireland towards between Dublin and Cork.

So maybe you can make it up to our show in Dublin. It is a Sunday. I would like to thank from Tipperary, Ian Ma. Ian Ma. Ian Ma. Ian Ma. So we all said it now. Ian Maher.

Thank you so much for support Ian. Eager. That is possibly how it should be said. Jess, what are you thinking for Ian Ma from Tipperary? It's actually interesting. It's a more recent sport on the global sporting scene. Yes. But he is actually a champion sleepwalker.

Whoa. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you do that? Well, what you do is you walk in your sleep. I want a dumb fucking question. Are you serious? Is he so good that he just, he never wakes up?

He's actually, like, he's attempted half his record awake. Can't do it. Wow, okay. He is that good, just switched. off. I'm so confused. I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, I'm so, he's so good at sleepwalking that he got a job that he didn't even

apply for. He just wandered into an office asleep and they were that impressed. He's in his pajamas. Yeah. What was the job? He's active pajamas. What was the job? Modeling pajamas.

Yeah. And they were like, oh, oh, my. Please, can you stand in the window? They paid a minimum wage, if anything, was a, they left him in the window for 20 hours. Yeah. Oh, Ian, an apology. He awoke, very rested. He woke up in the main street of Tipperary.

Yeah. But, yeah, so Ian is nationally ranked and soon to be competing internationally. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty impressive. Really? Thank you so much, Ian. A lot of people not really taking sleepwalking that seriously yet, but Ian's really at the forefront of getting the recognition that it deserves. All done, Ian.

Putting it on the Irish map. Yeah. And that's the people of Ireland. including myself, we thank you. Are you a people of Ireland? I like to think so. I've been asked for directions in Dublin.

I think that counts. Wow. Perkins feels Irishish. Perkins is very English. Did you know the directions or did you just make a mind? I actually did that time. That is satisfying. Yeah.

Did you... It was to a landmark. Don't want to be racist, but did you put on an Irish accent to try and keep up the facade? I didn't. Right. Is that racist? I didn't feel comfortable doing that.

Is that? But then they also noticed that I didn't sound Irish. And they're like, what? I said, I'm Australian. And I said, why am I trusting you, idiot? I've just been here before. And also, I just came from the thing you're trying to get to. It's just up there.

Well, I don't believe it. They spat on you. Yeah, it went on the way. They went the opposite way on purpose. And I was like, all right, well, I was right. So I guess you'll never know. They just kept wondering. They refused to turn back.

Yeah, I was like, wow, you must have. Lying Australian. They were also Australians. Anyway, thank you so much to everybody that we have just mentioned. That's right. And if you want to join that crew, go to patreon.com slash do go on pod. We put out two bonus episodes a month that no one else is. You get to vote for the topics and change the history and direction of the show.

You can be in our Patreon Facebook group or people are constantly chatting about the show and even other stuff, which is very, very nice in there. And you get pre-sell tickets, like, for example, the UK and Irish tour. We actually told them on Monday. They've known for a couple of days. Yeah, they've had time to process this. And they're getting the tickets on Friday. Yeah, it's something we talk to the patrons about everything first, usually, just to get there. I just talk to them about how I'm feeling.

Yeah, we bounce off ideas. Yeah. Is it fondue for dinner tonight? Jess writes a weekly newsletter. Yeah, most weeks. Sometimes I forget. The other shows we do out this week, Dave's done an episode about Romeo and Juliet. That is right.

I've got two fantastic guests from Sanspans Radio that came out just yesterday. Joel Zammett, Cass Page came and chatted about Romeo and Juliet. It was the first one where the guest, really knew quite a lot about the text because obviously such a famous story. Sure. That actually made a lot of fun to talk about the pitfalls of Marry. You buy your thumb about me, sir? Yes.

Was there jokes about that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, great. And pitfalls of marrying a 13-year-old. And the primates episode that comes out tomorrow also features Casspage and Nick Mason from the Weekly Planet. And we talked about Batman the Bold and the Brave and an episode that features so many DC apes, including Gorilla Grod, Monsieur Marla, I think, who's like a rebel ape. And then there was Detective Chimp, who's like a, wears a deer hunter.

What does it call it? Deer stalker. Deer stalker hat. And yeah, there were thousands of apes in this 22. Thousands? Yeah. All the apes in the world were sort of features in this episode. Wow.

It sounds right up you. Yeah. It was a, yeah, it was kind of a fun. And Diedrich Bader plays Batman in this series. Oh. Do you know, familiar with him? No, remind me. It's a comedy actor from like Drew Carey show and...

Who are you playing Drew Carey? One of the friends. Oswald? Yeah, the Darkhead friend. Yeah, yeah, cool. I actually never knew that guy, isn't that. He's really funny. Yeah, he's really funny.

He's in heaps and stuff. So good. He makes me laugh a lot. Very good. So you can check those pods out. Just wherever you listen to this pod, I'm sure you're able to hear those. Yes. And there'll be links in the description.

I pointed down quite literally there, which is funny, but only to me. Comment below. That's what you were doing. And Matt points to his genitals. Comment on this. Yeah, check it out. Well, that does bring us to the end of another episode. Thank you so much for joining us.

We'll be back next week with another episode of... Yes, live from Sydney. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hopefully you'll be able to join us live at the show, but if not, you'll be able to hear it this time next week. But until then, I'll say thank you. And goodbye. Later.

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