Two In The Think Tank - 204 - The 1980 Boston Marathon Controversy

Episode Date: September 18, 2019

The Boston Marathon is one of the biggest sporting events in history, and many amazing stories of triumph have emerged from the marathon. But of course, it is not without it's share of controversy! Enter : Rosie Ruiz and the 1980 marathon ....Buy tickets to our live shows INCLUDING OUR IRELAND AND UK 2019 TOUR here: https://dogoonpod.com/events/Our website: dogoonpod.comSupport the show and get rewards like bonus episodes: patreon.com/DoGoOnPod Submit a topic idea directly to the hat: dogoonpod.com/Submit-a-Topic Twitter: @DoGoOnPodInstagram: @DoGoOnPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/DoGoOnPod/Email us: [e-mail] out our other podcasts:Book Cheat: https://play.acast.com/s/book-cheatPrime Mates: https://play.acast.com/s/prime-mates/Our awesome theme song by Evan Munro-Smith and logo by Peader ThomasREFERENCES AND FURTHER READING: Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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If you haven't already got your tickets, what are you bloody doing? A Giant DeWolf. Head over to dogoonpod.com, you can find all the tickets there. We hope to see you and also stay tuned because we have some very exciting tour news. What? Come what do you hear? That's coming up right after this theme music. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnicki. I'm sitting here with the great The Wondafels, the one and only's Jess Perkins and that's two.

It's a shock on the wonderful. Shock on the other one. Yeah. Great. The great. The great. You're with the great. I'm The Wondafels and you're the one. Yeah. Great. The great. The great. I'm the wonderful and you're the one and only.

Thank you so much. You're welcome. Hello everybody. Hello Matt. Hello Jess. Hello Dave. Hello everybody. Thank you so much for joining us.

If this is the first time listening to the show, we're about to announce some exciting news. Oh, what is it? Let me just, some two in use, I believe, was what Jess said at the start of the episode. What? Let me reveal it. Over the last couple of months, I have been secretly organizing a tour of Ireland.

Woo! And whilst we're there, the UK. Whoa, cool. I don't know if you can call it a tour of Ireland. Where are we going? Are we going to Cork? No, the Dinozicalani. Let's not go to Belfa. Cologne, that's where my family is Ireland. Where are we going? We're going to Cork? Nice. Do not the Kallani. We're going to Belfast.

Kallani, that's where my family is from. How are we going there? Well, maybe us three can, because we'll be going a couple of days early to acclimatize to the time difference. Yes. But I'm here to announce that we are heading back to the UK and also for the first of a time a show in Dublin for a bit of a Christmas tour the first couple of weeks of December will be there.

So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas.

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So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas. So I think you mean Christmas. So't been here for Christmas before, this feels like what Christmas should feel like. Yes, that is. Was it Birmingham? We had that, there was a Christmas, like a German Christmas beer. That was so cool. A Christmas market. Oh, well, that'd be on again.

Of course, and probably even more full swing, because it's even closer to Christmas. Yes, I'm going to get another Christmas. We're going to be on a Birmingham. Well, sorry, we can jump to here. If you're wondering where we are heading, we are going to Dublin. Yes, Randy Place. Oh, we got to watch your Irish tap dance. I've just looked it up.

It actually is finishing up this week. Oh, I would have assumed it would be. No, it's not on all the time. So that is December the 1st, the first show. It's not fucking Billy Elliot. It's always fucking on. What is it, cats? A two, three, four.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, the one thing was, the rividence. Cats. I'm sorry, if you love musicals, I'm so happy for you. Okay, so the show is we, Dublin, December the first at the Sugar Club.

Oh, it would be there. Oh, it would be there. Fantastic. Then we're heading over to Glasgow. Yes. Oh, we didn't get there last time. No, we didn't. Oh, we had a little date, which was fun.

Edinburgh last time we got Glasgow to December the second at the Glee Club. Then the next night, we were busy first half the tour, we're heading to Leeds. We're back at the wardrobe. Fantastic, Andy. Oh, that place was great fun. December the third.

Yes. And we got a night off. Then we're heading to Bristol, back at the Hen and Chicken. Another cool venue. December the fifth. We promise we will not do one about murder as this time. Yeah, it'll be a fun fun topic I remember that venue. I was just thinking I don't think I remember that one. Let's do it. Let's do a real fun Yes, happy Then we are back in London town December the eighth at

2.29 the venue where last time we had a great time as I final sure that was awesome. That was huge. That was amazing. Had a piano backstage baby. That's what I love. And then finally our final show is back in Birmingham near the Christmas market December 9th at the Birmingham Glee Club. Oh, sweet ass. Good way to finish the tour. And now so tickets are going on sale to our Patreon supporters this Friday at 11 a.m. local UK and island time. So basically anyone who's supporters on Patreon will put the links up first, and a little code for the pre-sale. So if you want to get in and make sure you get a ticket because

last year we announced the tour and then surprisingly it's the whole thing sold out in four hours. It was a bit of a surprise for everyone. A few people missed it. Sorry about, yeah, mostly. We were pretty shocked. I'm sure that one happened again. Some of the venues are a bit of a surprise for everyone. Few people missed it. Sorry about it. Mostly. We were pretty shocked. I'm sure that one happened again. Some of the venues are a bit bigger. But just in case, if you want to get a guaranteed ticket, the supporters on Patreon, you also get bonus episodes

and you can be our Facebook group vote for topics, all that kind of stuff. And then, but if you are not a Patreon supporter, general tickets will go on sale on Monday at 11 a.m. local UK time. That is Monday, September the 23rd. Oh, exciting time. So exciting. I can't wait. Hey, I should say I'm still working on the North American tour. It has proved so difficult. We basically need a promoter to sponsor us and we have not been able to secure that.

And I've been talking to the Patreons, the idea at the moment and this seems like it's going to go ahead, but I can't announce dates yet, but hopefully this will happen soon. We're going to do a Canadian tour, which obviously isn't perfect for our American listeners, hopefully exciting for our Canadian listeners. That's right. And they are much more welcoming with visas for performing. Yes, that's right. That's why we're doing it basically. That's right. And yeah, hopefully exciting for our Canadian listeners. And they are much more welcoming with visas for performance. Yes, that's right. That's why we're doing it basically. That's right. And hopefully some American or US people will be able to come up. And others, yeah, we're going to keep working on it. And hopefully this will open doors. We can show people, oh, we had a successful Canadian tour and that'll help us get a promoter on board

for not too far down the track. So pumped, I've never been to Canada. No, I'm either. So I'm hopefully can announce dates and stuff for that in the coming, I don't know, hopefully in the next month I think, maybe even in block. Quick question, what are you doing for block? I was going to go away for the month. Is that not a good idea? No, you've got to be here. All right. This blocktober, October, buster month, a k, a, bok tofe grace, land festival. Doing a great job of explaining it to people that don't know. It's the biggest month on the do go on calendar. We did the first one last year. All of October, we do the biggest topics. last year, all of October we do the biggest topics and there's going to be a vote going up this week which will help us decide all the topics for the whole month including one which is going to be with a very special guest.

Do you want to know, have you looked at this? Have you looked at the fact that there are five Wednesdays in that October? Yeah, I'm sorry. That's what I was going to say. Whoops. I think you haven't. Oh God. Last year, last year as well, maybe.

Yeah, I think so too. But that's, yeah. So, am I the special, oh, do you think you have them. Oh God. Well, they were last year as well, maybe. Yeah, I think so too. But that's, yeah. So, am I the special, are you still calling me a guest? Yes. Very special guest. 21 appearances of guest appearances. So, yeah, well, I imagine if you've come on board lately, you might be like, what the hell are you talking about?

But if you go back to last October's episodes, there were huge topics. Yeah. And everyone, like the word on the straight, I was walking down, you know, Brunswick, Sinny Road, and I'd hear people chitter-chattering, sensibly. What are you up to for block this year?

Are you blocking? You're going away for block? Yeah, what are you doing for block? You got time off for block. You want to come around to my own for block? Come over for block. Yeah, and it brings a block. That's a real block buzz.

Bring a block. That's chocolate. Thank you. And a block of beers. Yeah, block buzz. Bring a block. How's chocolate? Thank you. And a block of bees. Yeah, block of bees, block of chocolate, block of cheese. Block of Lego. Yes. Entertainment.

No, I want some cheese. Oh, yeah, big time. In summary, any chose we ever do, you can go to dogoonpod.com to get tickets for that, including the island, UK to Dublin, Glasgow, Leeds, Bristol, London, Birmingham. We cannot wait to be there. I'm so excited.

I'm so excited to show you around Dublin. Oh, yes I'm excited for that even though we've got a Patreon and lovely lovely man who we met last time we went to the UK Tannen who is a tour guide. That's right. Based in Dublin. He was like hey if you want any day to is there anything Let me know and I'm like no need Tannen. I got got this you know, I I spent a week there in 2006 So I think I'll probably be how big you guys it were you just on Temple bar the whole time Yeah, I also wanted to quirk park to watch Australia play Ireland in the international rules. Oh, fuck. That would have been awesome in Ireland Yeah, that would be how many December that would be cool. I love the international rules No, I normally happens around October,

and I don't know if it even happens anymore. That year actually made it, I put a real damp on it, because the Australians went in very violently. And it was kind of weird. The Australians are pro professional sports people, and the Irish competition is the Amateurs. So I was like, it's already a bloodbath.

It was, yeah, it was kind of weird. It's supposed to be a friendly game. But yeah, that was pretty cool. Anyway, so Dave, I can't wait to show you around. Thank you. I'm really looking forward to it. I have very little memories of it, so I will need a little bit of it. You also really leave your room until the afternoon.

So Dave and I will probably go and do some side-day. Well, I'll have a lovely wonder. We will. Dave and I will have a lovely wonder. I'm going to have a wonder. I'm going to have a wonder. We'll get out of your room then. I will. Wake up. I'll wake up. I'll wake up. I'll have a lovely wonder go have a wonder we'll get out of your room then I will

Wake up. Yeah, I'll wake up. I'll wake up. I'll wake up. Put somebody close on. Oh well one thing at a time You want me to wake or do you want me close Matt? I can do one for having the red zone just before coffee But I teach you for that you I'm not an app and you use it a lot and then but like let's look at map before breakfast Shall we? Oh my goodness, the red... My father dead zone.

Yeah. It was zombie. Yeah, yours is the red zone, you're walking around with your pubes all everywhere. And Dave, from 6 a.m., like, any time of the day or night, Dave's always like,

Hey, has it gone? Woo! Like, there's no, Dave doesn't have levels. I never change. He's always thinking about the next thing. I was moving around. Head sort of, his neck is just swive change. He's always thinking about the next thing. I always move around. Head sort of, his neck is just swiveling. You can't see his neck.

Swiveling neck. It's a ferret. Anyway, that's what we have to look forward to. Oh, I'm the same. The ferrets have swiveling nets. They do now. Yeah, a dim-run. I'm thinking of near-cats.

Dave, explain what this show is. Oh, great. This show is a lot of fun for the whole family. No. Turn off mum. And basically we take an intense year to report on a topic often suggested by a listener and the two people that aren't reporting have no idea what's going to be talked about. And today, yes, you are the one in charge of the report. That's right.

So Matt and I don't know what you're about to say. And to get us into topic, you ask a beautiful question, which you, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, 50%. Wow, so that's a landslide. Yeah, because often it is very close in the hat there. And so my question is which US sporting event is held every year on Patriots day? Oh, I'm going to say Super Bowl. No. And HL hockey playoff? No. You have a Stanley Cup. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That is in the hat. That big ugly cup. You have a Stanley Cup. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That isn't that hard, I was saying that. That's a big ugly cup.

No offense. Is it a mainstream one? It's pretty mainstream. Think more of like a, it's not really a team sport. America's Cup, golf, brighter cup. No. That's a team sport. You said?

Yeah, that's the one golf team sport. Sorry about that. Is it international or? No. Okay. It's an individual. Is it international or? No. Okay. It's an individual. Oh, US Open? No, that's no.

What's the date of Patriots Day? What month are we looking for? It happens on the third Monday of April. Okay, April, what does that mean? It's a spring. Wow, it's a spring sport. Something you might go out and do. The Boston Marathon.

Yeah. Whoa. Marathon. Yeah! Whoa! Well done! I got that from your shoulders, moving like someone's slowly running. Yeah, exactly. You've seen me run. This is how I do it. It's all in the shoulders. Yeah, you do not move your legs and it's very hard to watch. I'm very slow. It isn't about the event or about the bombing. It's not about the bombing. Okay. It is about one particular event, or one particular thing that happened in the long history of the Boston Marathon.

And to start things off, I am gonna talk just a little bit more generally about the marathon. Highlight a couple of things that have happened, and then I'm gonna get stuck into the juicy story that I have. Right, so I have no idea what the story is gonna be. Do you, Matt? No.

But I can't wait till Jess squeezes the ju- ooze. Yeah. We're all feeling a little more relaxed now. It's not about the bond. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's hard to make fun, you know?

But we did that last week about an explosion. So that was 102 years ago. Yeah, that's a bit different. And an accident. OK. This is only been suggested by one one person in there in Jack the hat McViddy It was suggested by Brianna Napoli. Oh

Brisbane from memory. We've definitely said NaNapoli. Thank you, Brown Napoli. And anyone can suggest a topic. We should say this by going to do go on pod.com And we'd love it when people do that Yeah, Brianna you are one of my favorite pasta sources Napoli so simple. Yeah, so effective. Yeah Little bit of backstory about the boss marathon for starters This is mostly because the story I'm gonna tell is relatively short So I'm gonna feel a little bit right. That's what's context

is relatively short. So I'm gonna fill a little bit. Right, let's have. Which context. No, there's other interesting stuff. So the boss of marathon, it's the world's oldest annual marathon, began in 1897. Wow, that's the AFL began, or the VFL. That's the prison that you look through life.

Yeah. Before you did the report, which is your first ever report on this show, how did you look at the world? Did you have any context or anything? your first ever report on the show? Did you, how did you look at the world? Did you have any context or anything? Or did that report change your life? No, I already knew that because there was the centenary season. Okay. Yeah, in 1996.

Which I think was wrong. Yeah. In 1996, they mucked it up. That's not quite right. I think it's like the 100th season, but it wasn't 100 years. Right. Oh. Sorry, that's an early side trip. So the Boston Marathon ranks as one of the world's best known road racing events.

It's massive. And as I said, it's always held on Patriots Day, which is the third Monday of April. Amateurs and professional runners from all over the world compete in the Boston Marathon each year, braving the hilly Massachusetts terrain and varying weather to take part in the race. Massachusetts. Yeah. weather to take part in the race. Massachusetts. Yeah, because it's spring time, isn't it? Yeah.

Summer, it's our autumn, so it's their spring. Yeah. So it can be really nice, or it can be a bit chilly still, so it varies year to year. That's what keeps it interesting. And yeah, I want to give a little bit of backstory in the marathon history to give us some context and to touch on a few stories that could definitely make for many episodes, but they're really worth mentioning because they're pretty impressive. So in its long history, the Boston Marathon has had many notable stories emerged from

the race. There was Bobby Gibbs, the first woman to finish the race in 1966. Um, thanks for the friendship there you do. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha We're allowed to run one and a half miles. But even they would run any more would they die? Probably well, but yes. Look at their tiny, frail bodies. We don't want to risk it. I mean, we tried to practice on mice and they can't run more than one and a half miles. And women are mice. Yeah, basically. They have a similar physique.

What is the marathon in my mind? I know it's 42.195 kilometers. 26 points, something. Right. So that's a big jump. Yeah. Yeah, it's a huge jump. And prior to the race, Bobby received a letter from the race director a guy called Will Cloney

informing her that women were not physiologically capable of running marathon distances so that motivated her even more so what year is this 66 it's not 1566 it's not long enough ago. What the hell? Yeah. They check the size of women's craniums and they proof to be insufficiently so. What is craniums, sir? Did he write the letter in really large font? Yeah. And then a little note saying, get your husband to read this to you. Telling us that he basically would die. He's showing honey, honey, I know you'd like to give it a go, but it's biology. You're too little. You're too little to do it.

I don't think the rules, I'm not God. Hey, have a go at one and a half miles. You'll be very tired. Even I can run one and a half miles. And you're useless. Exactly. It wouldn't be surprising if he sent me a letter saying that I... You are not physiologically good.

He did it in Thailand, didn't you? I nearly died. How far was that? Five kilometres. Five kilometres. Five kilometres, five kilometres. That was so human. So human.

In 30 degree weather, with inhumanity and I've never run any distance in my life. Felt like I was going to vomit at the end. Luckily, collapsed into the ocean. Yeah. I really saved the day. Otherwise, big vomit was coming. Yeah. I felt sick as well. That was, that was wild. I had a really nice walk on the beach. That was fun. That was still one. It was a beautiful, beautiful, you want best female, first female podcast across the lines around. And who came second in that category? No one. There

was no one. Everyone else stayed. Day stayed like Dave. Yep. That's second. Other female podcastes went physiologically able. Yeah, but I proved them wrong. So yeah, her being told that she was too small and incapable, motivated her to do it. And she'd been training for the previous two years and could run distances of up to 40 miles, which is way more than a marathon.

So she was like, I'm not gonna probably care, actually, physiologically, that is. So she made the journey to Boston for the race. And what did she do? She ran there. She ran from California. She actually, she hid in the bushes close to the start line. What?

And she joined the race as the men started to pass it. She was dressed in, she was wearing her brothers shorts and like a baggy sweatshirt and just had like a tank top underneath. She also changed her name to Bobby. Also, I don't want to be rude here, but at what point did she start the race? Oh, she joined the men once they started pretty close to the start. So imagine she round the whole thing to the first 100 meters. And the bosses like they got the runs.

I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. Stick to one and a half. But she's dressed like basically trying to look like a man. She's trying to blend in, yeah, yeah. I think she has like a baseball cap on as well. She was trying to be like, Inkins Biggest. She's, I love being a man. She was also trying to get away from a snarper.

Yeah. In an action film. Yeah, putting on a hat. I'm not gonna put it in different. Yeah. Jason Bourne puts a hat on. Where'd he go? There was, there was, Patron Stey was a, the name of a film, I'm not gonna put it in different. Jason Bourne puts a hat on, where'd he go? There was, Patriot's Day was the name of a film, wasn't it?

Maybe a Harrison form for a film? No, no, Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger. Oh, okay, I'm thinking of Patriot Game. Patriot Games, that's right. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, Patriot Games is an old, an old time you film with Heath Ledger. Is it just called the Patriot?

The Patriot. Oh, the Patriot's game. He's there. No, it's called the Patriot, isn't it. Oh, the Patriots game. He's there. No, it's called the Patriot. Isn't it? Yeah, maybe there is no Patriot day. No Patriot days, that may be a football film.

No, maybe that's someone about the Boston Marathon. Oh, that makes sense. I think that might be the case. You look it up. I'll keep going with the report. He's got a few movies about being Patriot. Because they made it to be an Patriot. It's almost like they've built the whole country's ideology. I'll see movies about being Patriot. Because they made a film. It's almost like they've built their whole country's ideology.

I think I'll see a real big patriot. And not letting in Australians. Let us perform there. Yeah, they made a film about the Boston Marathon. I remember being like, oh, that's soon. You know, it was only within a couple of years, I want to say, I could be wrong. Anyway, so Bobby, Bobby Gibbs.

So she's joined the race. She's running along. She's trying to be inconspicuous. And the men in the race start to notice that she's a woman. And very surprisingly for the time, we're incredibly supportive. Apparently they were like really friendly. They were like, yeah, good for you. Let's go. But okay. Why? For you to be like, boo. You can't be here, tuts, I don't know. Yeah, well, that's great so the people are like, yeah, good on you. They're like cool.

And then the, yeah, man. Patronid Stey has a 2016 film with Marky Mark about the Boston Anthem, so it's three years later after, it feels too soon, but maybe not, I don't know. So I think it's celebrating the heroes and stuff. Yeah, which is amazing. Anyway, so then the crowd starts to notice

that Bobby is a woman and they're going fucking mental. The crowd are going wild. They're so excited that a woman is racing. Apparently she ended up like, because it was hot, she like took off her sweat shirt and was like running along and people are just going nuts. She finished in three hours, 21 minutes and 40 seconds ahead of two thirds of the runners. Awesome. So she smashed it. Had a hundred meter head stuff.

So some of the news reporting for the time is pretty gross though. It refers to her as a tidy looking and pretty 23 year old blonde. Oh my God. It's such a, what a funny job. A late athlete, a late athlete. Because the 60s is like, it's a big change in the world, right? Yeah. So it's funny that the old school journalists are still talking like that, but then people on the street are going, yes, we've been waiting for this. Yeah.

Another headline said, and I don't know what this means, it's a hubbried first gal to run marathon. Oh. Was they speaking different languages? Yeah. The headline said, and I don't know what this means, it said, hubbryd first gal to run marathon. Oh. Was they speaking different language lines? Just sounds like the kid on the street corner. Hubbryd. Hubbryd, stop bryd.

So did the director ever address this and apologize? No. Anyway, she ran the, I don't think so, no. Typically. Well, she ran the following year as well, but she was unnumbered. So she was like unregistered. She was just running it because women still weren't allowed to technically run even though she'd proven they can definitely do it.

But the following year was famous for another reason as well. A runner called Catherine Switzer was told by her running coach that a marathon was too far to run for a fragile woman, which begs the question why was he coaching her? Oh, he was her coach. Well, I'll do my best with what I've got, but if you don't follow part, we'll see. Yeah, I mean, bloody form. I'm willing to risk your life. Have a crack.

Yeah, go on. Try and run two miles to see if you can make a person bloody one point five. So she did woman walking. He just goes and like reads the paper while she runs. So Catherine or Kathy she registered for the Boston marathon under the gender neutral KV Switzerland just her initials. Her finishing time of approximately four hours and 20 minutes was nearly an hour behind Bobby Gibb, who it was running again.

But the reason that Kathy was so notable was that during the race, race official, jock simple tried to rip off her number and stop her from running, tried to get her off the core. Jock. Jock simple. And he's like, he's like in a blazer and stuff and like a bald old man trying to like push her off the court. That's not bringing age into this.

No, it just looks funny that he's sort of like... Oh, there's footage of it. He's running, there's photos of it, really famous photos, where he's sort of run out into the course, trying to stop an elite athlete for running. There's a running. Maybe some of the most confusing people to me in the world are those people who have a small amount of power and

Just can't see past it logically. Yeah, no, you're not you're not allowed to be doing that Stop it apparently he was yelling get the hell out of my race and give me those numbers He was trying to stop it so weird, but unlucky for jock Kathy had been running alongside her boyfriend Tom Miller He was an ex-all-american football player and nationally ranked Hammer Thrower. I eat a big fucking unit. So he shoved simple aside, sent him flying into the pavement. Like a hammer.

Clearing a path for Kathy to keep running. So he just pushed him out of the way. Yeah, exactly. And there's photos. I don't know And there's photos. I don't know if there's actual film, but he's just definitely famous photos is like a trip ditch where he's sort of like running behind her trying to grab her and then you just see Tom just push him and then the third photo is on the ground and she's just keeps running.

So it was a similar kind of thing like she just started running. She had pretty short hair at the time. So people, she sort of blended in with this crowd and then eventually people are like, Oh, that's a woman! What's going on here? It's a different time. What do you think, Jock, is worried about if she completes it? Well, I think it's just, yeah, I don't know. People get rules stuck in their head and they can't get past them.

It's such a dumb rule. I remember one time, this is a very, very equally civil rights issue. I used to get a discount card when I worked at a supermarket. And my family got it, so my dad had one. He forgot it one day, and we'll go on through the checkout at the place I work and had for quite a few years. And the woman on the register is like, sorry, can't give you a discount.

I'm like, oh, but you know who we are. I can tell you the number, just type it. You have to type in, sorry, I have to you the number just type it that you have to type in. Sorry, I have to see the card. But I'm wearing the uniform. And did you know? Yeah, it was, it's like that weird kind of level of power. It's me, Matt. Yeah.

We just did a shift together. Yeah. I just went and grabbed a chocolate milk and now I'm back here. Can you, can you give me this? Yeah, there, I think there's some, some people have it in built-in arm that you just can't break any rules. Did you have to give up? Or did you bring up? Yeah, I said to give up.

I want to say your manager, which is also my manager. But yeah, just one of those things, you just sort of, you go, well, I'm not going to make a huge deal. That's just a bit weird. And I think it's a classic Australian trade is to stick by the rules no matter what. And call people out who are stepping out of line. Even if it doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, it's very strange. I reckon this old fellow had a bit of that about it. Yeah, I reckon, bit of a power trick. Get out of my race. Shove, love that. Shove, he just pushes it. It's beautiful. And after the race, that director who wrote

Kathy Gibbs a letter the year before, Will Cloney. What's that name to, Kathy Gibbs? Yeah, it's good. He was asked his opinion of Switzerland competing in the race. I said, don't have Kathy Gibbs? Bobby Gibbs, this is Kathy Switzerland. Anyway, he was asked his opinion of her running and he said, we've been can't run in the marathon

because the rules forbid it. Unless we have rules, society will be in chaos. I don't make the rules, but I try to carry them out. We have no space in the marathon for any unauthorized person, even a man. If that girl were my daughter, I'd spank her. Okay. It was trying to be like cold and logical for a while. And then it was a spanking. Very weird. Basically, he said, like, if that man was a woman he couldn't run yeah so

yeah but that was even if that man broke the rules right exactly if he stopped there like no space for an authorized person even a man but it wasn't one of them had a number yes you did she did 100% registered and was wearing a number yeah so that's not a matter of either. Nope, it does not at all. But then he added that he would spank her and then I got mega weird. And the journal was just like, okay, you want me to print that? That's on the record. You're insisting that's on the record. The time the journal was like, this is great stuff. I'm going to make this the headline. Spanky Spanky. Yeah. What was that headline? Colonians, this one's spanky. Hub bride. Hub bride. First gowl to one marathon, yuck. No time, finish sentence.

Stop. But even despite these impressive women proving that women were definitely capable of running a lot further than one and a half miles, it was still another five years until women were actually allowed to register and participate. That feels about right.

You don't want to rush into these things. I mean, they're two anomalies. Yes. Most women, they've chance to lose now. Most women can't run more than one half miles. Apparently now it's like 46% of entrance of women. Like it's pretty balanced now. It's just strange to think that this is what the mid 60s

and the Olympics has been going with women for like 60 years. I was at point. I was thinking that as well. Yeah. Well, the first modern Olympics was in, was it in 1996? I didn't, I didn't. So I wonder if that can't be coincidence, right? A big marathon is held in, I didn't, I didn't. Sixth and then Boston marathon starts the next year.

Next year, yeah. Feels like this maybe some. And when were women? I think the next Olympics, 1900 I think. Really? Yeah. And but it's still I think. Really? Yeah. But it's still 60, 60 years. Yeah, they're like, well, I mean, you can competitive the Olympics when a gold medal

for your country, but you can't. But it's a thing. Well, they wouldn't have been a marathon, I'm guessing. Probably not for the women at the time. But also, yeah, it's very strong. It is because America feels like it's all about equality and everyone, like it's all fair-go stuff there. So, yeah, it's, well, no, but I'm sure it wasn't

even necessarily a conscious thing. It was just, well, they can't. Their bodies are so much smaller. I mean, you can't expect a kid to do it. Women are kids. Yeah, it is funny, like you go, well then why don't you do it based on size? Yeah, well, okay, let us do longer than one and a half.

What about a tall woman. Yeah Believe it if I say it You made a freak It's fucked. It's so wild. It was the 70s before women were allowed to be in it It's insane. So the marathon obviously has a lot of history some really great like these two amazing women Also in 2016 Jamie Marse some really great, like these two amazing women, also in 2016 Jamie Marseys, an American, became the first female double amputee

to finish the Boston Marathon, amazing. And some of it, obviously, we've touched on our incredibly tragic, like the bombing attack in 2013. But what I wanna focus on today is a controversial competitor from the 1980 race. So, how do you... Like a duck. Have either of you guys heard of Rosie Ruiz? No.

Oh, that sort of rings about, but I don't know if it's just a great name. It's just a good name. You're just responding to a good name. It's only recognizable. Rosie Ruiz. Ruiz Ruiz. Oh, I'll probably say both, and I'm sorry. She was working as a secretary

at a commodities trading firm in Manhattan when she stunned the running world by being the first woman to cross the finish line in Boston in two hours, 31 minutes, and 56 seconds. So she... That seems very quick. It's very quick. It's very quick.

I have no concept of time. Well, if you think about it, like, Bobby did in three hours something, Kathy did in four. So two hours, two and a half hours is really fast. Actually, my fast is ever 10k's. There's a bit under 50 minutes. So even if I was able to, which I wouldn't be able to do anything near that, if that's, so that's like four of those, right?

Yes. So I'm like four hours is what I would do. At your absolute peak. Which I have never been. Right. And she's done it in two and a half hours. Holy shit. Massive.

Massive. Yeah, I can't understand how people run that fast. I think the world records under two hours. Is it a reunion? Yeah, it's a mentor. Oh my god. It's mentor. Even like, so I've done twice

now I've done a six K run down in Polo Bay for the Great Ocean Road running festival. Yeah. And I get to about the, I want to say one and a half to two K mark as the leaders are coming back. Yeah. And they are so fast. Isn't it weird seeing people running that fast and then knowing that they've been doing it for ages already? I've already stopped for two walk breaks. They're my vision of sprinting. They'd have to slow down in school areas, right? I think legally yes. It's insane. And then we all kind of do a good job keep going They're always like teenage boys and I'm like that's really great fuck you Every foot every leap is just like over a car

It's beautiful. What distance do you say the marathon is a marathon is like 42 26 miles the world record is two hours one minute 39 seconds meaning that for those two hours the world record holder who Is nay is from Kenya Ely Elyard Kip Chogi Well, that would mean that his average speed for two hours is over 21 kilometers per hour What I at my top speed I couldn't get closer. Yeah. That's a sprint.

He's been for two straight hours. That's insane. Is he 12 foot tall and so that though? Yeah, okay. It's truly gifted. It's incredible. The pace is amazing. That was achieved at the 2018 Berlin marathon.

Oh my God. Right, so hang on, so, but that's just under two hours. She's done this in two and a half. Yeah, and that's in the 80s too. So obviously things get smaller and smaller. So that's a great time. That is a great time. That's a freak time.

So I was trying to get Matt Scaler and I sort of derailed this. Sorry, but yeah. But so did she win the race? Yeah, she first woman to cross the line. Right. So first woman, man had finished already. And was it just a huge gap, much like your Thailand run?

Yeah, daylight second people are still finishing that race. It was the fastest female time in Boston Marathon history. Yeah. And the third fastest time ever recorded by a woman in a marathon. So it was huge, like it was fast. And when officials crowned her the winner, people noticed that she was barely sweating. Oh, okay. Well, wild dogs in the world.

Not quite. Her hair was still perfectly styled. Her face was hardly flushed after 26 miles running at an incredibly fast pace. Observe has noted that she didn't have the usual physique of a champion long distance runner, not to body shame, but there is a certain look of a long distance runner. She crossed the line not sweating, wearing a hoodie, eating a big bag. Something's not quite as good. I think she just walked across the line. In a car. So I dropped across the line.

Whoa, took you two and a half hours to drive the marathon. That's amazing. Traffic's been a bitch. I think there's something on. That's a sort of event. Yeah, I run down a couple of people. Yeah, so you didn't have the normal expected physique of a long distance runner, who thighs were less lean and muscular than would be expected for someone who'd just run that time.

Well, having said that, you say, but obviously doesn't have the sprinter. But when you look at his body compared to even his competitors, people often say that he's way too tall to be a sprinter on paper. But then he's the fastest man in history. So she, I don't know, some have a good reason. Yeah, no, of course. And amazing runner. Of course, it's not typical.

There is one perfect body shape, but it's like, oh, you look at the long distance runners in the Olympics and stuff, and they are very slim. Sprinters have like bigger thighs. It's more about power. Yeah. I'm intrigued. Yeah.

What's it called when you have neither? Lazy. I think that's what I'm gonna call it, warner key. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to call it warnaky. Yeah, it's the same synonyms. I don't really. You're not lazy at all, I guess. I'm not thin enough to be a sprinter. No, a long distance runner.

But I'm not in any way muscular to be a sprinter. No, no, you're definitely thin enough to be a sprinter. You just don't have any muscle. They still have muscle on them. Sure, sorry, that's the thing I'm missing. I think you're a middle distance runner. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, we're talking like 400 meters.

Okay. That's probably a little trunch. I could try and run that distance. Yeah, I could try. A full way round a track. Oh, no, I can't. Okay. I'm not making it.

Where's the car? Mom. Good to need the car. In talking to her on the awards stand, the men's champion, a guy called Bill Rogers, realized that Rua's didn't know basic things like her split times or intervals. Things elite runners know by heart. So he's asking her like, oh, what are you, what are you splits? And she's going, my what? Five, five, five. I hope it's just the first time

who just happened to be sick runner. She later released stress test results showing her resting heart rate at as 76. Most female marathoners have a resting heart rate in the 50s or lower. So for context, mine's about 75. And I run a jog twice a week. That sounds low. Really low distances. Yeah. Short distances. I run a jog twice a week. That sounds low. Really low distances. Yeah.

Short distances and I lift weights twice a week. Right. Elite runners should be, yeah, down in the 50s. Between 40 and 60 probably. So she's got a very average heart rate. Is that so the fitter you get at the longer distance, your heart rate? Your resting heart rate is lower.

Is resting heart rate anything to do with resting bitch face? No, but some people are lucky enough to have both. The resting bitch face was in the mid-70s. When I should have been in the mid-40s. For an elite runner. So after the race, former runner and person I mentioned earlier, Kathy Switzer, spoke to Ruez as part of some TV coverage of the event. She was interviewing on TV and commented that Boston was her second race ever and that

she had improved from a time of two hours 56 in New York to two hours 31 in just six months. I love the idea of her just being like, what is this good? She's on TV. I love the idea of her just being like, what is this good? She's on TV. And Switzerland was like, this is a huge improvement in a very short period of time. And she says, have you been doing a lot of heavy intervals, which is something that you would do to improve your time? She said, no, I haven't, I haven't had my period yet this month.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, regret. That's a big regret. Heavy intervals. Can I ask Matt? You said heavy and went to period. With a period joke there, but can I actually ask

as the token non-fit person, what is a heavy interval? So as in you would be pushing for faster times and probably interval training. So run walk, run walk, run walk. Oh, it's your... Try to get fit. Yes. ...but your fitness.

And then instead of aiming for two and a half hours, you aim to take a minute off your time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. I had no idea what that meant. OK, good. I thought, could you just move on so quickly? I was like, well, I'm sure there's at least one person at home

who doesn't know what that means. So I'm going to ask for them to make... Elite runners would know their split time. So as in, let's say for example, you're running five miles, your split would be like the first mile I did in this time, second mile was in this time. Third mile. Now you're talking. So you're playing Gran Turismo and you pass the checkpoint and the little thing comes

up and there's a little ghost car from the last lap that shows how quick you were doing last time. Yes. So it's the little ghost car. It's a ghost car. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing analogy. Daytona terms for me Dave. So you've put two dollars in and you've got 30 seconds of enjoyment and now you've crashed out. What a great game. It's good fun. Manual. No fucking. If you play Daytona and you put it into manual you are either the words of greatest driver for your an idiot Manual is more fun. No, it's not it. No, it's any sense I don't tell you what he's doing. Don't artsy spinning out. What's going on? My thing was Daytona you get formats to get them. They're all lined up So you try and play the same race, but if you don't hit the button at the time, suddenly you're driving from your own race.

They're over there. They're fun, they're fun. But I'm just racing against the computer. They're high-fiving each other. Oh my. You're going to be the best man in my wedding. You're like seven years old. LAUGHTER

They're all in business together. Oh man. This is me versus the fucking ghost cup. A little dive, so sad. So anyway, Switzerland says, have you been doing a lot of heavy intervals? And Rua says, no, I haven't had a period. For a while, should I get that check? I think I need to see a doctor. Hang on, what day is it? Oh boy.

I'm feeling kicks, is that an issue? Yeah, the real pullback in reveal here is that she's seven months pregnant. That's how you like that. That's how I shaved half an hour of it. Really, I'm running for two. You're four legs now, so. Yeah, my baby's run and with me. Let me tell you that. I do, I do, like, weights training. And one of my friends that I train with is, like, Jew in a couple of weeks.

She's heavily pregnant. He's still trains. And she is dead lifting over my body weight. She's just picking me up. It's fucking mental and so inspiring. Women are incredible. Does that mean the baby will be buff? No, I'm sorry.

Tired a little baby, six pack. Oh, hello. Anyway, okay. So, Switzerland says, have you been doing a lot of heavy intervals? Ruiz says, someone else asked me that. I'm not sure what intervals are. What are they? This is not even hiding it.

So it feels like she's not, it's not a cheat thing. It's just that she's an alien or something. She's still on TV. It's on TV, yeah. I've seen the footage, it's amazing. And who's KV asks what's her like? Sorry, what are you talking about? She asks her a lot of questions.

She keeps kind of probing and she's like, and what, this is how many marathons have you done? Just like two? Okay, and your first one was six months ago, and you've improved by 20 something minutes. She's like, she's very friendly, but you can tell she's kind of like, oh, huh?

And she concludes, I've worked really hard. Yeah. I've fun. Get where I go. Why? We just did it a couple of times. My now husband had to push someone off the road to let me run, but you just fucking

waltz on in. Run it like 90 minutes faster than I do. But can I point out that we once did an Olympic special episode where I reported on a meal Zato Peck, the check runner. And he won the gold medal at the Olympics in his first ever marathon. He signed up like the week before and was like, yeah, one of the 5,000 and 10,000 meters and he was like, I'll give it a go. Yeah, I'll give it a crack.

And then he won his first ever marathon and that's Olympic standard. So maybe she used just a free hand. And we also did a bonus episode about the Olympic marathon where a man was run off track by a pack of wild dogs. And he finished the race and I think he came in the top four. He ran an extra K because he was chased dogs. Chasable, of course. And another man wore business pants and shoes to the start line and someone got scissors

out, cut him down. He finished the race, I think. One hitchhikes. Another one got an apple, ate an apple, had a stomach ache, so had an nap for an hour, and then finished the race. If you haven't checked out that bonus episode, I've cried laughed for the majority of it. It was a soul, we filmed you laughing, and that video goes for a solid two minutes. It's so funny. It is really really really. It's so delightful. I'm using every ounce of my self-control to not cry again right now about these

like the world. The thing is like you are so dry and have and you really crack like that. You have such a little charisma. You fucking lost it and I was actually at one point I thought you were crying and I thought Matt's had a bit of a breakdown here and I was gonna I was sort of like gesturing to Dave like maybe stop recording for a minute I think we need to check in with Matt mentally because you were just screaming. It was the best. So yeah definitely go back and check out that because what happened with the some dogs, Matt? Well, I don't want to give too much away. That episode is available on our Patreon feed. So, um, Switzerland, she kind of concludes her interview by saying, Rosie Ruiz, the mystery woman winner, we missed her at all our

checkpoints. Oh. Which Prince up an excellent point. I did wait what? But that's why she's not getting any of those times people are talking about because she doesn't know a splits Yes, no one's giving her the splits so she I don't I'm just trying to explain this and guess what's happened. She's running so fast That they've missed her that's probably it because people don't expect a lady to be able to run that fast on their second-ever marathon. Yeah. I don't understand. Like that seems like something's a miss

and she's just saying it like it's like, I don't understand why she's just saying, oh, we missed her to our checkpoint on TV. The commentator says it as she crosses the finish line. Right. He's like, well, didn't see her at any checkpoints. There's a couple of alarm bells ringing for me. And yet they said, there's so many. And yet they said, do you want to go talk about this on TV right now?

Yeah. That's not just quick little check. Let's give her the medal, make the fuss, announce the winner. Yeah, everyone's clapping. And we'll just go around there. So no one, neither competitor nor spectator, could remember having seen her during the first 25 miles. She was that clear. That is fast.

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By running around Central Park, because she was from New York. And she only ever competed in one other marathon, the New York marathon, six months earlier, where she had a notably slower, although still impressive time. So that's when she did in 256. But now she's in six months, who's shaved off 20 minutes. When asked by a reporter why she did not seem fatigued after the grueling race, she said, I got up with a lot of energy this morning, which I get, I get that.

At a baroque. There's some days where you're like, I'm jumping out of bed. Another day's bloody hell, it is a struggle. Am I right? Am I right? Not a lamb goes off, I could snooze, I could go for a cross. You know what I'm saying.

Oh boy. Yeah. So yeah, she's got a lot of energy, so that's why she doesn't even seem tired after running a full marathon. I just want to, that one makes sense. Because I love stats and facts. 30 plus years later, the record for fastest marathon

by a woman is two hours and 15 minutes. So she's only 15 minutes off world record pace. 35 years. It's a doable pace, but it's very, very far. For your second-ever marathon, that is really so. It's top free all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You's a doable pace, but it's very, very far. For your second ever marathon, that is really fast. It's top three all time, and that's it. Yeah, yeah, you're a freak. The good kind. Some of our fellow female competitors asked her what she noticed about the suburb of

Wellesley. Wellesley? Wellesley. And she said, oh, the trees, and they said, there is no Wellesley. Aha! Well, no, they asked her about it because, Oh, the trees and I said there is no wellsy. Well, no, they asked her about it because famously the students of Wellsy College, which is a women's college, form what is affectionately called the scream tunnel. For about a quarter of a mile or 400 meters, the students line the course and they scream and they cheer for the runners, particularly female runners, and the tunnel is roughly half a mile before the halfway mark of the course. Wow, okay.

And runners say that you can hear it about a mile away. So you know you're getting close because you can already hear them screaming. So they're just standing there screaming nonstop. Yeah, just being supportive. Sounds like a hazing procedure. No, well, are they coming? Are'm trying to get an alpha diet. Delta or something. They're just cheering But they call it the screen tunnel

But when they asked her at Wellesley, she did not mention the screen tunnel at all So they were like that's weird you'd probably You'd probably be aware of that. Yeah, she accidentally run the wrong course Oh, that's sweet. A longer course I ran from New York. Canadian runner Jacqueline Garot was told that she was leading the race at the 18 mile mark. So as she sort of gets to that checkpoint, they're like, you're in the lead, kid. And Patty Lyons was told she was second at the 17 mile mark. Ruez couldn't have passed either of them without being

noticed as both were obviously gunning for the women's title. So they would have been hyper aware of other women. So they're like, we didn't see her at all and I was told I was winning. Why not, why not lift each other up ladies? You know, right? Yeah. And hyper aware of each other. Why so competitive? Come on. You know what I mean? In a race. Yeah. Why so competitive? In a competition? You know, I mean, yeah, thank you. So you see what I see is any of the men being competitive. Yeah, exactly. Now we're doing feminism right. Yes. Let's keep it equal. Um, several spotters at checkpoints throughout the course also didn't remember seeing her in the first group of women. In addition, she did not appear in any pictures or video footage.

the first group of women. In addition, she did not appear in any pictures or video footage. That is, I think Dave's right, too fast for cameras. That's fast. There were blurs in some you can see me here and possibly here. Yeah, I mean, that's just technology not keeping up with her. Yeah. But a few days later, two Harvard students came forward to say they'd seen her run onto the course from the sidelines just a mile from the finish line. That is awesome. That is so awesome. She's just like, like a Chaser's War and Everything Star prank, is that what this is? It's just...

It's just... It's just... It's just Johnny Knoxfield trying to win the marathon. So yeah, I was thinking the way she was answering it just sounded like she was real naive, but if she's just straight up blatantly cheated, that's so funny that she's then going, I don't even research any of the time. What are intervals, I don't know. What's running?

I just went for a jog. I decided yesterday I'd give it a go. So the skepticism surrounding Rosera has led to the New York marathon to also look into the legitimacy of her finishing time from six months earlier. For the New York marathon, she was credited with the time of 256-29, which was the 11th woman overall, enough for her to qualify for Boston. Weirdly, her application for the New York marathon

was submitted after the cutoff date, but she'd been granted special dispensation due to her claim that she was dying of brain cancer. Oh. She was absolutely not dying of brain cancer. Oh, okay. I was going to say that's really not that's the right thing to do if she is dying. Let her in. Let her in. No, she wasn't. A woman called Susan Morro who was a freelance photographer, came forward to tell the New York Times that she'd been on the subway with Ruez during the New York marathon. She's how these people's memories.

She won the marathon by catching a train. So she did start it. But is that during the New York one or the boss? New York. So the other one. So she came. The New York's looking into it now as well. And she was on, I imagine. I imagine this photographer's memory of six months ago. she came. So New York's looking into it now as well. And she was on...

I imagine... I imagine this photographer's memory of six months ago. Oh yeah. It wasn't six... Oh yeah, it might have been six months ago. You know how she... Because she remembers someone jogging onto the... Oh, exactly.

And then standing in front of the door, jogging for 25 minutes, and then she would have been wearing a number and ever. She would have been wearing a number and ever. Yeah. So I think that is technically jogging on the spot. Yeah. That's right. She's still covering the ground.

Well, Rue has had told Susan that she had dropped out of the 10 mile mark with an injured ankle and that she was trying to just get to the finish line to watch her fellow competitors finish the race. She's like, I started hurt my ankle. I'm just going to go and cheer him on. So they're on the train together. They're chatting and then the two women walked together from the subway to the race, but Susan then lost sight of her new friend and didn't dig anything of it until news of the Boston controversy broke. So does that explain how she was doing? Like how did she remember?

She just saw this woman on the train formed a lifelong bond, and then all of a sudden she remembers a six month later. No, no, oh yeah, maybe. Their brains don't work that way. Women can't remember more than one and a half miles at a time. Women can't remember more than one and a half miles at a time. Women can't remember more than one and a half people. Yeah, I study phonology and is that the one with the brain? The brain says, I'd study

phonology and yeah, I think I understand women can't run a race. Who do you reckon has the smallest brain of the three of us? Oh, don't answer that. I've got a big head. Thank you. Thank you. Big empty head. Plenty of room in this dome. Got that. I'm a buffer around the brain.

Yeah, I can take a two by four. No problem. Anyway, so New York City Marathon officials launched an investigation and could not find any sign of Rua's near the finish line. On April 25th, so the New York one, she didn't actually even cross the finish line. What apparently happened is that she went to a medical tent or something, again, probably like, oh, I might not call.

And they're like, oh, what was your time? And she told them and they just noted it down. That's how easy it is? That's not a good thing. That's how easy it is. That's not a good thing. That's how easy it was. Okay. That's awesome. Now you got little tags that they beat.

Hey, yeah, so I just did it in our 15 minutes. So can I have a sandwich? So they go through thousands of photos, all of their press video and everything. Nothing of it. Do you get a prize? Other than the glory of this day. That's a big question. I don't actually know. I don't think so. Because you can understand that if Other than the glory, you're the same. That's a big question.

I don't actually know. I don't think so. Because you can understand that if you've got $50,000 or something from like, it sounds like a lot of effort to figure out if this woman came 11th or not. Yeah, exactly. She's the only one to be there. So then on April 25, based on this and other evidence,

the Games Committee of the New York City Marathon retroactively disqualified viewers from the 1979 race. So they're like, you didn't actually finish your disqualified. Later that week, the Boston Marathon also disqualified her as well. So technically, because they disqualified her from New York, she probably already should have been disqualified from Boston, but Boston did some of their own research and they disqualified her as well. Are you looking up if there's prize money?

Yeah, did you want to know? Yeah, is that- Currently, the fastest overall man and woman each win 150 grand. Oh, that is big man. That's huge. Second gets 75, third, 40, and yeah, you get, so it wouldn't have been like this back then, but 11th place gets 2,600.

Oh, wow. New Yorker Boston. That's Boston. Right, okay. She came 11th in New York. Oh, yes, so she came first in Boston. First in Boston. But I imagine that, yeah, 9 and 8 would have been.

It would have been different, but regardless, there's. Yeah, there is, at least now there is. Yeah, I wonder if there was then that's a lot of cat I didn't read anything about the money. So maybe there wasn't at the time I'm I'm sorry if you're if you know the raisins I'd out and you know the answer But I don't I didn't read anything about any prize money or anything like that. So I'm not sure Anyway, so yeah Boston's done their own Investigation and then they take action and so Jacqueline Garot was declared the female winner

with a time of two hours 34 minutes. So she only came in four minutes behind this woman anyway. Who did run? Yeah, at that time it was the fastest recorded for a woman in the Boston marathon. And Patty Lyons was moved up to second place and her time of two hours 35 minutes So she was just behind Jackie was the fastest ever recorded for an American woman in a marathon at the time

So Rosie's bullshit dampens these two women breaking records. I still am not convinced about the bullshit Our theory is she so fast too fast for cameras. What was what do it? No, I guess you're gonna explain. What was in it for her? What's she just sort of... She uses a bit of a troublemaker? Who knows? I still don't know.

Who knows? Because after her disqualification, Rua's was quoted as saying, I can truthfully and honestly say without hesitation that today has been the second saddest day of my life. Okay. Only to be surpassed by the day I had to leave my father in my native country 18 years ago. She left Cuba for Florida when she was eight years old.

All right. So she is still going, no, I absolutely, and there was like, there was press leading up to before she was disqualified, and she was like crying and saying, like, it's just so insulting. She was like, I got to enjoy it for one minute, and then there's all of this is started,

and everyone's doubting me, and if this title is stripped from me, I don to enjoy it for one minute. And then there's all of this is started. And everyone's doubting me. And if this title is stripped from me, I don't know what I'll do. Like she was really, and people were supporting her. Like she joined a running club in New York. Not the new, like the New York road runners are like a really big one. Yeah.

And even Switzerland is asking her about it in the interview. And she's like, no, I'm not a member of them. She's joined some running club the week before the New York marathon. And people from that are backing her up. Oh, they're like, no, she can't run that far. Of course she can. Oh, weird.

It's really weird. It's a weird. So, this is the kind of thing where she, if there's all this press and stuff going, you've cheated, you can't run that fast. She could go, all right, next week, let's do it again. Everyone can watch me do it. And well, in one newspaper, they ran like a little article thing saying, hey, we believe you.

Yeah. Really we do. Prove it to people, do it again, and we'll give you $1,000. Yeah. Which at the time, big money. But she was like, that's, I won't do that. I choose not to run.

Yeah, exactly. She's very, super man thing. I choose not to run. Yeah, exactly. She's very different. Superman thing. So the whole time she never admitted that she'd lied and cheated. And she always stood by a claim that she had just done a few extra laps of Central Park and that was it.

Just I won. I don't know how to explain that I'm not in any photos that nobody saw me, that there's no checkpoints and I wasn't saying. But anyway, she did a few extra laps. Like she was saying that that's how she decreased her time, so significantly. I've been running around Central Park a lot.

I didn't try in for the New York, and I'd try to look at this. So obviously, I thought you were saying, I ran at this home speed, but in New York, I got lost. I did a few laps just in for a part. Then I found the way, and then, so that was 25 minutes lost. So silly me.

But hey, so we came 11 so. Did she ever run again professionally? No. Wow. How confusing. That is full Jerry. She just never ran again so we can never fully prove that she can't run that fast. Yeah.

She has always maintained that she completed it and won the race fair and square. She kept her medal. They let her keep the medal and they made a new one for Jacqueline Garot. So she always maintained that she did it. But in 1996, a guy called Steve Marrick, one of the people who had been defending her, a member of that running club, he said that several months after the marathon, she admitted to him that she'd cheated. But that's the only time that she's apparently said to you. Right, but it was a bit of hearsay. Yeah.

And move it, man. This is a quote from him to the Boston Globe. He said, she jumped out of the crowd, not knowing that the first woman hadn't gone by yet. Believe me, she was as shocked as anyone when she came in first. So she timed it badly. Because if she'd like, if she'd come in, I don't know if she planned on winning it, but if she'd come in like, maybe further down. Like she did in New York.

Yeah, like less notable, but maybe still for a little bit of prize money. Maybe most money related. That's like when we talked about, did the report on Donald Crowhurst who entered that round the world sailing event. His plan was to in the end come in second because first is the one that people focus on and then they go through photos and make,

but if he comes second they go, yeah great, good on you. You can't second that worries. And he still, like he still would have completed it. Yeah, so you still get the kudos of, yeah, didn't it? But my surprise is that she jumped out of the crowd and no one was like, hey, what's that lady doing? But yeah, someone's six months earlier

remember it's subway ride for the day. Yeah, more recently, very recently, Bill Rogers, the guy who won, the man who won, he was interviewed about it as well. And his theory, like he was one who like noticed she wasn't sweating and didn't know her split times and stuff. But he was like she was wearing quite a heavy t-shirt and she had the sleeves down. If you're running, you're gonna roll your sleeves up so that you can sweat. I'm

like, Bill, do you understand how sweat works? It doesn't come out of the t-shirt. What are you talking about? Some people run in t-shirts, Bill. Some people run in like space suits. They can do whatever they want to do, Bill. What a weird thing to say. Did you see Kathy Fram? She wore a hat. Yeah.

And she smashed it. Oh, the water got out. Deaths about that run. Oh my god. They better not be. I mean, that was very televised. Yeah. We definitely say and start to finish of thatvised. Yeah, we definitely seen start definition of

that one. Yeah, every angle because also what went for 20 seconds or something. The maximum I could do at school. I've never I've not a long distance runner. I was definitely a sprinter and I was good at 100 meters. 200 was a push. The one time I tried 400. Oh, boy. Did you make it? Yeah, but poorly. They're made of the house made of my god. Four and 800 are meant to be there because they're like sprints but they're long sprints so they're my sprued ones. Well, it's kind of about like, you gotta get your pace right. So you're not going 100% the whole time.

Right. But I was like, I don't really know how to go like 75%. Yeah. I'm running. I'm doing it. I don't know how to do anything less than one. I don't know how to not go super fast doing I don't know how to do anything less than one I Don't know how to not go super. I had enough when

So she was never officially punished for a course cutting, but her lying didn't stop there Also, I also read that a lot of like marathoners Consider course cutting worse than doping Right like they that is the ultimate dog act because doping your out you still have to run the full race Exactly Doping at least you're still Attempting the full thing, but if you're cutting the course you are fucking dog I reckon course cutting is the funnier of the two though

Like you can get away Like if you're to bring it back to a video games you're playing Mariole and everyone if you can like do like a little thing that cuts off Half a lap or something you like drives through the sand and it works out in your favor That's a great moment. Yeah, that is a great moment. Yeah Yeah, you've been out smart at other runners exactly don't get taught It's a tactic. Yeah, course cutting is a tactic if you can get away with it. Yeah I'm running less Distance faster than you. Yeah, well, I'm being efficient. Yeah, who's the idiot here? Come on

I have to explain this to your tiny brain Also, I've taken steroids Which apparently is less bad Yeah, her lining didn't quite stop there so a couple of years later She was charged for embezzling $60,000 from a real estate company where she worked. She spent one week in jail and was sentenced to five years' probation.

No, surely the transaction was just too fast to track. It was a... That's them. Yeah, it just got the vibe of a compulsive liar who started to believe her on bullshit. I think so. That is often part of the problem, really, isn't it? Well, she then moved back to South Florida

where she was arrested in 1983 for her involvement in a cocaine deal, two and under cover cop. Oh, cocaine makes you pretty quick. And again, three years probation. Didn't do any jail time for that. Basically, just kind of summing it up. So Rosy Ruiz, actually, she passed away earlier this year, possibly why Brianna was aware of her.

It was in the news a little bit again But her death almost went unnoticed someone happened to spot in a bitri with a photo that looked a lot like her and the name rosy M. Vivas, which is a surname she Understandably kept even after her divorce in the late eighties. You probably wouldn't keep ruins You know people could look you up too easily. I just have a very memorable face Yeah, it does like, people are seeing photos, oh that's her, people are remembering her from the subway, of course. Yeah, well there's like lots of photos and footage

from those press conferences and stuff, so you can compare them pretty easily. Are you saying that she kept a different name because you believe that she doesn't like notoriety? This woman who cheated to win races, I don't like attention. Oh, I don't like, oh, I don't want everyone looking at me. Oh, no.

But yeah, basically she was, she passed away earlier this year. I think Cancer, if I'm remembering correctly, and she was survived by her partner of 26 years, Margarita Alvarez and Alvarez's three sons. So after the race and a couple of criminal offenses in the 80s, pretty normal quiet life from then on. But for that one race in 1980, she was a center of attention for a long time

and never, we never really got closure where she was like, yeah, look, I meant to come in like fourth, have some cash and move on. Right. I stuffed up my timing. How, how was she when she passed? 66 or something.

Oh, I forgot to mention she was 26 at the time of the Boston Barathon. Right. So quite young. So we let to believe this is some sort of mystery episode? In a way, yes. And also, they were like, well, this looks like her. So there's a little part of me that's like,

I might not even be here. No, I'm pretty sure it is, but, and I don't mean to disrespect, but there's a little part of me that's like, maybe she's not. Why, she's so fast for death. I can't. Could the Mold people be involved?

Maybe they tunneled her in a short cut? I can only assume that is exactly what's happening. Of course, cutting through the Mold people. But that is my report on Rosie Ruiz in the 1980 Boston Marathon. That is such an interesting tale. Thank you very much, Jess Perkins. Oh, done. So fun, so wild. Crazy.

Oh, done, Rosie Ruiz. Yeah. And what on to the patrons of picking a good story? Yeah, that's one that I'd never heard of. I tried not to give it away too much because the way that Brianna had written it in the hat was like, Rosar is the woman who won the marathon by like taking the subway, but I didn't want to put that in there and ruin it for people. So I just said she won by cheating.

Right. And 50% of the people are like, tell me more. Yes. So you're well-coded. So you're well-coded. So you're never been proven, but you're saying she cheated. I'm saying she cheated and she's maybe alive. Wow. So and also her running club backed her up. So I think she is legit and too fast for cameras. Yeah. To Matt and I, not convinced that she's a cheater,

because even if the mole people did borrow her a shortcut, that's gonna still be longer because she's gotta go down. Yeah. And then up again. Yeah, that takes time. Yeah. Through the fortress of the molls. Exactly.

And they? And they have to stop for tea, which is, you know, one of the cultural things they make you do. They're very rude to disrespect the thing. And they are notoriously messy. So she really had to climb over some stuff too you know wasn't a big should the mole people are they people who look like moles or moles who look like people I'm imagining a hand mole man because there is a Simpson thing where he says there is no escape from the

fortress of the moles on any bungee jump straight back up that's good stuff no go you snuck one in there another Simpson thing that I couldn't it just was running through my head the whole way through That's good stuff. No, we got you. Snuck one in there. Another Simpson thing that I couldn't, it just was running through my head the whole way through. One of the characters in this story was called Spitzer. My head kept going, white, wine, spritzer, spritzer, spritzer, spritzer, spritzer, spritzer, spritzer. That's close.

That's close. Spritzer, spritzer, spritzer, spritzer. Great episode. Yeah. But no, here we are. That is a great, great tale. Thank you very much, Jess Perkins for informing us. An absolute pleasure.

Thank you so much. And before we jump into our Patreon section of the episode, just in case, people are missed it at the start of this episode. We are heading up Sydney this Saturday night for a fantastic live show at the Giant DeWolf Theatre. Ah, DeWolf, the rock jumps and the friend. De Theta. Ah, the Woff the Rock Johnson's friend. The Giant Duof Theta. This Saturday night in Redfern and we also just announced

our island and UK tour happening in December where we're visiting Dublin, Glasgow, Leeds, Bristol, London and Birmingham tickets for the Patreon supporters are on sale this Friday morning, local time, and Monday morning for everyone else if tickets are still available so please Come on dad It would be so great if everyone came out again because it was like Probably the best couple of weeks of my year last year going to the UK with you guys

Oh big time was awesome and I'm really excited to go back We had so much fun at the shows last year, but also just you know beautiful part of the world and I get to go back. We had so much fun at the shows last year, but also just, you know, beautiful part of the world. And I get to go back to Dublin, so I'm very happy. So fun. And we go, we pretty much, I feel like we met a good 50% of the people who came to the show. After the show took us as long as the show is longer. Yeah. It was amazing. So not. And we'll be doing that again, hanging out, saying, hey, getting some photos, if you are keen to do that. Yeah. And yes, if you've missed it as well at the top, we are, we're in the midst of planning an North American thing. It's going to be most likely Canada in the first half and next year, and we will have

more details to announce about that in the coming weeks, eight, or months. Yes. Coming time. The count, yes. Thank you, that's my question. And the time ahead. Well, that brings us to everyone's favorite segment of the show. It's the fact-quote or question segment of the show. Fact-quote or question!

And that's where one of our patrons at patreon.com says to go on pod on the Sydney Sharnberg Deluxe level. Get to give us a fact a quote or you probably guessed it by now a question one of those three and this week already been mentioned on this episode funnily enough. Tinen enus. Hey he's given us a quote but you also get to give yourself a title and he's given himself the title of fifth tier assistant to the seventh level intern of the sound department of Duke Owen to us. That is no joke. That's just the next one in line entirely coincidentally. That's awesome. I'm talking about Tianan and I hope that he and his lovely wife wouldn't mind me saying this. I feel like I could run at 10 and jump,

and he would just catch me, you know? I think it's because he reminds me of my friend Lewis, physically, they look very similar. Tall men with red-d-y-s. Strong poor, you think him? Yeah, yeah, and I do that to Lewis. I was jump and he catches me. And I reckon, I would trust him to catch me.

We're talking like dirty dancing catch? Oh, or I don't think I have the core strength for that. Right. But no, more just like a, ah, you know? Yeah. That kind of catch me. If you fall, I'm gonna be like, Tina, time after time.

Tina. Ha ha ha ha. Anyway, Tina. He's given us a quote, which we don't get heaps of quotes, I don't believe. And his quote is, a corpse is meat gone bad. Well, and what's cheese?

Cops of milk. That's a James Joyce quote. And he's a famous Dubliner. And then he said, not everyone likes cheese, yuck. And I just talked about cheese before. You did? There's a spooky. I feel like Tainan is giving us a subtle hint.

He's not into cheese. And that's fine. I wasn't for a long time either. And then I discovered a double-brey. Oh, do you discover the joy of cheese? Yeah, I live for it. I live for cheese. I live for the milk corpse. That isn't, yeah, the milk corpse isn't a way I would describe it to try and get someone on board, but... Sorry, I just had an idea for the next part of what we do here. Oh, great. Well, we should say a big thank you to TNNS, what a bloody legend.

Thanks, TNN. How I to see you very soon. In Dublin, I'll shout you some cheese, mate. I'm hoping that you'll say you hate it and then I'll eat it all. Yeah, let's share a cheese platter. So that brings us to everyone's favorite segment of the show. And that is where we thank a few of our Patreon.

Yes, and I've had an idea for a game we can play with our Patrons this week. And that is what sporting event do we think they would win? Legitimately, these are not a bunch of dreams. Right, okay. Is that an okay idea? Right, because I mean, I love the idea that they course cut no matter what the sport is, even for hearts. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, that's fair. Can I start things off?

Sure, please do. All right. From, oh my god, and again, ironically, not ironically, but coincidentally, from Dublin in Dublin, I would like to thank Emma Cougan. Oh, Cougan. Emma, thisin. Oh, Kugin. Emma, this has been a big episode for you. First of all, you find out we're coming to you. Secondly, I mentioned your name.

Thirdly, you go, oh, fuck, I'm actually away during that time and I won't be there. I don't know, I'm just assuming, maybe. It's possible, you've got plans. Kug, so you're gonna be there? Kug's, come on down, kugs. Kugs. So what's the thing?

It's an event. Or any kind of sporting event or a sport? I'm gonna say she wins the 100 meter guitar solo sprint. Whoa, so she's got a sprint and shred. Yeah, there's a martial stack at the finish line. You've got a hundred meter lead and you're holding a telecaster, right? I love that there are a while

of systems available, but you still got a lead. Because you've got to go, you've got to run the full length of the lead. And whoever knocks over this stack first, but you've got to shred the whole way. Wow. And she did. Wow, good for ever. Wow, what was this solo of choice? Or is it like, do you got to shred the whole way. Wow. And she did. Wow. Good to have.

Wow, what was this solo of choice? Or is it like, do you just, hair short cut was she used power chords? So. Right. Is that a sheet? Is that a sheet? Sure.

Especially if you, especially if you're doing a solo. Yeah. You play chords. Oh, I just played a J chord for Hunter Man. That is not a solo. Cogs come on. Linglinglinglinglinglinglinglinglinglinglinglingling.

That's a J, is it? That's just really annoying. Yeah. It wasn't even fun to listen to. Also, they, they, they're all I mean, that is not's an episode in him. Why was I was listening to something while I was in the release where I'll talk about? But this is like, yeah. Specter. Yeah, the inspector. The inspector producer who went to jail a few years ago,

he like produced, let it be with the original one. John Maloney was on his phone with us. He's like, and he was saying how he, he wore an Afro wig at his trial as a tribute to Jimmy Hendrix. Good. Please try for what? For murder. The one that he was trying to say.

Sorry. He wore this huge Afro wig apparently as a tribute to Jimmy Hendrix as he's getting sentenced to for murder. It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. We've got to do an episode. I forgot about it. We've got to do an episode on that guy. I mean, that's entirely within our control.

Yeah. We can definitely do that. OK. Thank you so much to Emma Kugan. We really hope that we can see you in a few months in your beautiful, beautiful city. And I would also like to thank, oh my God, from another place we're going very soon.

What? We promise that this is not work, not work like this. We are going to leads. We are, yes. And hopefully we are gonna see Jimmathy Miller there. Jimmathy Miller.

Jimmathy. Jimmathy. Jimmathy. That's so good. I didn't know that was a real name, right? I should've say. That's been a long term favorite joke name of mine, Jimmithy. I call my friend James Jimmithy sometimes.

That's good. Yeah, I didn't realize that was a real name. Jimmithy. I don't know how to feel about that. Jimmithy. Jimmithy Miller. Sick name. So good.

Love it. Thank you, Jimmithy. Okay, what sport Dave is Jimmetha the winner of? I mean, he's really good on the unparallel bars in the Jimmetha. The uneven bars. No, not the uneven, the unparallel. That's a real help. So they cross over at some point? Yeah.

Where? Basically, what they do for this event is they take you to any, like, your blindfolded, you put an event, sounds weird, but it's not, but it is. And they drive you to any park, they're released to you onto the jungle gym and you've got to perform with whatever you got there. Right. And they call that the unparalleled bars because there's stuff going on. This is where they were.

Oh wow. And you've got the ones with noughts and crosses on it. Yeah, yeah, you've got to try and play noughts and crosses game. There's the steering wheel. There's some reason I'm top there. Wow. Two different slides you get burnt by both of them. God.

And he is the best. Wow, Jimmethay. Thanks, Jimmethay. We hope to see you in Leeds, the wardrobe. What a great venue there, that was love. That was a lot of fun. Love that time of the wardrobe. Oh, you know what?

It's different about this to a UK. I'm not not war. Oh, you know what's different about this to have the UK? I'm not not drinking. Oh, no. That is not your... Oh, God. Does that mean you're not not driving? No, you are not driving, sorry. No, no, I learn a lot in that year of not drinking.

I'm way more responsible these days. So we're gonna leave that for a second. Have a think about that. Generally I am. Okay. I am. Okay. I like to drive.

Can I thank a couple of people? I would love if you would thank a couple of people. Oh, thank you so much. I'd love to thank from Sheffield, which isn't actually too far from Leif. No, I think that that is a few people from Sheffield were at ourastia's lead show. I would love to thank Hannah McAfee.

Hannah McAfee. Which is a name I've seen. I think I might have even chatted to Hannah before online. It's one of my all time favorite names. Hannah McAfee. It's so good. It's genuinely so good. Hannah McAfee, what do you think,

what kind of event do you think she won Perkho? Hannah is actually the world champion of freestyle improvised synchronized swimming, but it's not synchronized obviously because it's improvised and it's solo. So basically she just, it's like water dancing. Oh, you think about that? Look, we think about like calisthenics or like sports aerobics. Yeah. It's that but in the water. Yeah. But also I think the thing that it stands out so much about Hannah is the elements of ballet that she.

Oh wow. Because it's not just physically impressive in terms of like the power. It's also really moving. She puts the lake in one lake. Yes. And honestly, the judges were in tears. Holy shit. It was truly moving and beautiful. Oh, beautiful. Okay, great. Yeah, they weren't like, I hate it, you know, part of the dance was her yelling at them, pointing at their flaws. A voking emotion is what she calls it. Yeah. So yeah, that's what I'm gonna. I feel a vote. Yeah, that's what Hannah. I feel a vote.

Yeah, I feel a motion. I'm a coffee. Thank you so much for your support. Hope you see you. Hannah, a 55 minute drive of you left now from Sheffield to Leeds. Don't leave now. No, you'll be there so early. Wait to early.

And 11 hour walk. Okay. That seems, I'm in still. That's less waiting time. Yeah. Yeah, just move. move there and just wait. I want to, can we drive through Sheffield? I've heard good things.

Sure. If we've got time, it's pretty tight to have. It is a tight tour. It is a tight tour. Could I also think a little closer to home in Cranburn West. Yeah. Ashley Buzur Lachford.

Oh, Ashley. Now that is a name. Just could you have a crack at that for me? Ashley Bujor Lachford Ashley Now that is a name. Just could you have a crack at that for me? A-B-L What? A-B-L Ashley To get Dave to do it, Dave's better at things.

Yeah, he's a friend. Archen Bujor is probably... Yeah, Archen. And Ashley, I reckon you're probably used to people saying that wrong. Ashley Bujor Lachford. Ashley Bujor Lachford. Ashley Bujor Lachford. Ashley Bujor Lachford.

Thank you so much. Ashley, Dave, didn't have any idea what I mean. Well, I'm gonna double barrel name a double barrel shotgun. Oh, she's a competitive shooter. Yep. And she shoots the tires of mailmen. Whoa, tires of mailmen. Yeah. And she's really good at it. Yeah, like yeah, yeah, no like the little the box Posty box she takes out their tires cool, and she's so good at it that they were like Can't beat him join him give her a medal. Wow, so she was just doing it recreationally for a while Yeah, she just had a thing against the post. Yeah, oh, don't we all they delivered that well, I didn't deliver Yeah, we are we're assuming Ashley is a woman's name are we?

Because I could definitely be male They there you go. Sorry Ashley if I've presumed wrong there Either way you handy with a shot double barrel shotgun. Yeah, I've just Googled her. I believe if this is her with a horse We sure the horse is not how many actually boogore latchford's could there be I found him my space Sorry, sorry, that's weird. I just Sorry, don't worry about will drop by your house on the way home tonight No, I want a lot. I just wanted it, I just was like, oh Ashley is a unisex name. Is there anything else on the Myspace that's? Oh my god. I haven't even looked. I've always been as soon as just shamed me.

Thank a couple of people please. So I was telling me for like some rainbows or something, you know that Bremmy, you just have to code it yourself. Oh, yeah. That was weird. Part of the fun, I think. Yeah, I agree I was like, I want this bit to be bold and this bit to be italic and this bit to be in a bigger font And I knew how to do that now. Yeah, and heart semi-colon Yeah, of course and like who's your top friend? It was always my best friend Christy because no man got in our way. Do you know what I mean? Yes, and you and Christy? Yeah, you know, Christy, no man's ever gotten in your way or no No man. That's a beautiful story. Yep. She's married and at your way. No. Nice. No, man.

That's a beautiful story. Yep, she's married. And at her wedding, there's a picture of, when we were signing all the documents and stuff. All the graphs. She's sitting down and her new husband, he's like giving her a kiss on the cheek. On the other side, there's Perko.

Also giving her a little kiss on the cheek. Just to remind him that he's, she's not all yours, mate. Okay. She's to remind him that he's she's not all yours mate Okay, I can remind him that she has an inappropriate best friend Ready to ruin every moment. She has a best friend doesn't know boundaries cut in the cake first dance with her dad You're there. I was there. Oh what I wasn't what the maid of honor is not supposed to jump in there and dance with the air come here Ian She means he's named Rudy Wow, that's really cool. He's got to really cool name.

I know that because I'm very close with the family. James, back off. All right. I would like to finally thank two fantastic people that have been supported this show for a while now. I'd like to thank, from Alexandria in New South Wales. Oh yeah. I would like to thank Amelia Rice.

Amelia Rice. Good name, Amelia Rice. I really don't rise. Yeah, I like that. Like a one-tillable last night. Champion climber of trees. Yeah. Wow. And tall trees. Really tall ones. Really quick to the top or can go the highest. She's quick to the top of the highest trees. But also technique wise. Yeah. She is renowned in the sport as like a beautiful client

Right, so this judge is giving a 10s It's just nice to watch and once on top she can just prance on the canopies. Yeah, it's amazing Prance how does she do it up on the canopies? That's not even part of the competition anymore. She just does it It's just part of it flare that's showing off really. Yeah, she's quite arrogant But when you're the best friends on a canopy Yeah, oh, thank you so much Amelia rice. Thank you Amelia And finally another Irish list not and again This is just from chance, but it's important to show for a long time from tipper temporary. Hey, we're a long long way from temporary

That's a thing isn't it? Is that way we're about in Ireland is that Where about this temporary Tipperary oh that looks it's like the middle of Ireland towards Between Dublin and Cork so maybe you can make it up to our show in Dublin. It is a Sunday I would like to thank Fronty Rairy Ian Ma. Ian Ma. Ian Ma. Ian Ma. Ian Ma. So we'll set it now. Ian Ma. Thank you so much for supporting me. Ian Niga. That is possibly how it should be just. It's not how it should be. Jess, what are you thinking for Ian Ma from Tipperary? It's actually interesting.

It's a more recent sport on the global sporting scene. Yes. But he is actually a champion sleepwalker. Whoa. Wow. How do you do that? Well, what you do is you walk in your sleep. I don't know.

I've done fucking questions. That was so much fun to do it. Yeah. Is he so good that he just, he never wakes up? He's actually like, he's attempted half his record. Awake, can't do it. Wow, okay. He is that good, just switched off.

I'm so confused. I'm so impressed. Is he so quickly? He's so good at sleep walking that he got a job that he didn't even apply for. He just wandered into an office asleep, and that was that impressed. He's in his pajamas.

Yeah. What was the job? He's active pajamas. What was the job? Modeling pajamas. Yeah. And they're like, oh, oh my. Please, can you stand in the window?

You stand in the window? They paid a minimum wage if anything was a... The lifting of the window for 20 hours. Yeah. They're in an apology. He awoke very rested. You woke up in the main street of temporary. Yeah.

The window. So Ian is nationally ranked, and soon to be competing internationally. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty impressive. It really is. Thank you so much, Ian. A lot of people not really taking sleep

walking that seriously yet, but Ian's really at the forefront of getting the recognition that it deserves. It's all done, Ian. Putting it on the Irish map. Yeah, and that's, you know, the people of Ireland, including myself, we thank you. You were a people of Ireland.

I like to think so. I've been asked for directions in Dublin, I think that counts. Wow. Perkins feels very English. Perkins is very English. Did you know the directions on it is make them all right? I actually did that time. Wow. Perkins feels like... Perkins is very English. Did you know the directions on it is make them up? I actually did that time. That is satisfying. Yeah. It was to a landmark.

Don't want to be racist, but did you put on an Irish accent to try and keep up with the facade? I didn't. Right. Is that racist? I didn't feel comfortable doing that. Is that? But then they also noticed that I didn't sound Irish and I was like, what? I said, I'm Australian. And I said, why am I trusting you, idiot? I've just been here before. And also I just came from the thing you're trying to get to. It's just up there. Well, I don't believe it.

I spat on you. Yeah, it went all the way. It went the opposite way on purpose. And I was like, all right, well, I was right. So I guess you'll never know. They just kept wondering. They refused to turn back. Yeah, I was like, well, you must have been.

Lying, Australian. We just kept wondering. They're refused to turn back. Yeah, I was like, wow, you must have been lying. That was also Australian. Anyway, thank you so much to everybody that we have just mentioned. That's right. And if you want to join that crew, go to patreon.com slash do go on pod. We put out two bonus episodes a month that no one else is. You get to vote for the topics and change the history of a direction of the show. You can be in our Patreon Facebook group

or people are constantly chatting about the show and even other stuff, which is very, very nice in there. And you get pre-sale tickets, like for example, the UK and Irish tour. We actually told them on Monday, they've known for a couple of days. Yeah, they've had time to process this. And they get in the tickets on Friday.

Yeah, we talked to the patrons about everything first, usually, just to get there. I just talked to them about how I'm feeling. And we bounce off ideas. Is it fondue for dinner tonight? Just writes a weekly newsletter. Yeah, most weeks, sometimes I forget. The other shows we do out this week day is done an episode about Romeo and Juliet.

That is right. I've got two fantastic guests from SansPants Radio that came out just yesterday. Joel Zammett, Cast Page, came and said about Romeo and Juliet. It was the first one where the guests really knew quite a lot about the text because I was actually such a famous story, but that actually made it a lot of fun to talk about the pitfalls of Merrill. You bought your thumb at me, sir! Was there jokes about that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, great. And pitfalls of Mer a 13 year old. And the primate episode that comes out tomorrow also features cast page and Nick Mason from

the weekly planet. And we talked about Batman, the Bold and the Brave and an episode that features so many DC apes, including Gorilligrod, Missyue Mala, I think, who is like a rebel ape, and then there was Detective Chimp, who is like a, where's a deer hunter? What does it called a deer? The Astorca? The Astorca Half. Oh, yep. And yeah, there were thousands of apes in this 22,000. Yeah. 22. All the apes in the world were sort of features in this episode. Wow. It's in front of you, Ali.

Yeah, it was kind of a fun, and Deidric Beta plays Batman in this series. Oh, you know, familiar with him? No, remind me. It's from like Drew Carey show and... Pretty Planet Drew Carey. One of the friends. Is it a... Oh, it's a walled?

Yeah, the Dark Head friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool, actually never knew that guy's there. He's really funny. Yeah, he's really funny. He's in haaps stuff, so good. He makes me laugh a lot. It's very good. So you can take those pods out.

Just wherever you listen to this part, I'm sure you'll be able to hear those. Yes, and there'll be links in the description. I pointed down quite literally there, which is funny, but only to me. Comment below. That's what you were doing. And the map points to his journalism.

Hahaha. Comment on this. Yeah, check it out. Hahaha. And that does bring us to the end of another episode. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll be back next week with another episode of Yes Live from Sydney.

Yeah. Hell yeah. Hopefully you'll be able to join us live at the show, but if not, you'll be able to hear it this time next week. But until then, also, thank you. And good bye. Bye. Yeah. Well, yeah. Hopefully you'll be able to join us live at the show, but if not, you'll be able to hear it this time next week. But until then, I'll say thank you and goodbye. Bye, to you. Bye. This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network.

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