Do Go On - 207 - The Golden State Killer

Episode Date: October 9, 2019

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So if you want to get in on that, we'd love to see you there, Sunday, November 3rd. Again, do go onpod.com. Now, on with the show. Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Warnocky and I'm here, as always, with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Always. Nearly always. I'm always here.

You two haven't always been here. I was referring to you as always, Matt. Oh, yeah, I'm always here. And sometimes, Jess Perkins, our guest host. I pop in if and when I feel like it. Some of our most popular episodes have been when you've guest hosted. Thank you. Some of the most popular episodes.

What a pleasure to be guesting once again. You've probably got two in the top ten that you've been on. Do you reckon? All right. Yeah, I think it has to be more than that. You've missed two? Yeah, something like that. Two or three, maybe.

I reckon you've probably had ten of the top ten. Stop it. Wow, cop that guest hosts. Yeah. Sorry. We're not playing favourites here. It's great to be back in the studio once again with you guys for our second episode of Blockbuster Tofer Grace Month, which is where we do for the second year now, our most requested

topics. Yes. And it's great because then it sort of puts a lot of the blame back onto the people. Yeah, it's basically you wanted this. If you don't like anything this month, that's on you. Yeah, we didn't want to do this topic. And that feels great to us. What are you doing for block?

Blak, blaming the listeners. Yeah. But when it goes well, for example, last week I was a bit trepidacious of I can use that word. I don't think you can. I was a little bit... Use it in a sentence. I was...

Last week I was a little bit trepidacious. Oh, I can. No, I still can't use it. I was a little bit cautious going to last week's episode. The first one of Block, which is our fifth most requested topic. Dungeons and Dragons, I did. Because none of us had ever played it. I was worried that when you talk about something that people are so obsessed with

and it's got such a big, you know, cultural touchstone for many people. I was worried that people would be annoyed that I didn't explain it properly. But everyone, thank you so much, has been so lovely about it. Yeah, I've been super enthusiastic, which is so nice. So, yeah, they got behind us. I got a couple of things wrong, but for the most part. You're only human, Dave. Thank you.

Well, actually, I'm one-eighth wizard now. Okay. One-eighth. Yeah, that's right. Seven-eighths human. So I can't do cool tricks, but I can't do stuff like lift the toilet seat. Yeah, Dave. With my hand.

Okay. Right, okay. What were you doing before? Well, most men forget, and they just shit on the lid. But the one-eighth wizard in me, really. That's not even the thing. The problem is putting it down. Are you saying that that's nothing to do with my magical ability?

This is... Maybe I'm 116th. You're just shitting on toilet lids. Okay. Well, most men are. No. Do you not do that, Matt? No.

You're one-eighth wizard and also 116th Swiss-Italian. That's true. It is true. I've got a lot going on. Yeah. I always found that one strange. The stereotypes, men don't put the seat down. Oh, of course.

But it doesn't, like, I don't really understand why that's an issue. The lid down. The lid should always go down. Seal it in. Oh, I'm 100% with you. I don't want anything splashing in a room where my toothbrushes kept. I learnt that off Oprah. Winfrey, she said that once when I was a kid.

I was at home, maybe sick from. school and Oprah Winfrey had some toilet hygiene expert on and said you've got to put the lid down otherwise when you're flush it just explodes particles all over everything including your toothbrush and where you like that's why I'm home from school sick yeah I haven't been putting the lid down thank you Oprah

thank you Oprah well I mean yeah everyone's had a thank you Oprah moment obviously you know you get a particle you get a particle I'm talking to toothbrushes everybody goes up who body go Check under your seat. Poop article.

Oprah, she gets it. You just look at my seat and there's this shit on the seat. We've got to lift it again. But if you haven't joined us before, welcome to the Do On Show. When I say most requested topics, what we do here is we take it in terms to report on a topic nearly always suggested by at least one of our listeners. And these are frequently suggested topics this week. And it is Jess's turn to report on a topic that I believe, Matt and I don't know what to say. going to be.

No, but I do know the, I knew the 50 and the short list. Right. So I'm, I've got a better chance. Can I use that knowledge to defeat Dave? Last week you let Jess have a go first. I'll let you have a first. And then regretted it when she instantly got Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah.

Let me. What was your question? Because I did get it. And that's rare for me, because I'm an idiot. I think it was the world's best selling and, no. He said tabletop game or something. The world's first, uh, mass marketer. tabletop role-playing fantasy game.

Oh, yeah. And I got it. Yeah, that was a good get. Could have been one of many options. Yeah, it could have been so many things, but I was like, oh, I reckon I know. Well, let's see what the question is this week. The question is,

which Monica was given to combine? Geller. I fucking knew it. Lewinsky. Monica with a KER. Oh, okay. Sellers. Was given to combine the original.

The original Night Stalker and the Diamond Not Killer. I'm afraid I start, I don't know that because you met Monica. Can I have that one more time? Which Monica was given to combine the original Night Stalker and the Diamond Not Killer. Combine? Yeah. This is a superhero or a supervillain? Supervillain, I would say.

Oh, okay. Fictional or? Real, sadly. Nonfiction. Very much real. Real super villain? Sure. Is this some sort of serial killer?

Yep. What were the two things again one last time? Original Night Stalker. Yeah. And Diamond Not Killer. Okay. Diamond Not killer? Yeah.

How do you spell not? K-N-O-T. Oh, Diamond. Not a killer. Yeah. Not a killer. Technicality. Think California?

California. Sorry. That was another Patreon. I've got a guess here, Dave. Come on. I'm about to say it. Go for it. You haven't a guess?

No. B-T. No, we've already had that. Golden Sank. Golden State Killer it is. California. Golden State. California.

Wow. Yeah. Turns out he had such a prolific career that he was known by heaps of other names before they realized it was all one person. Oh my God. Yep. That's why. And I just want to say like we said at the beginning, you wanted this.

And this has actually been suggested, obviously one of our most highly, most frequently suggested topics. Yes. It's suggested by about 13 different people. Wow. Unlucky 13. Shall I read you some of their names? Please, let's hear some of the sickos that requested.

I like the idea of some of them. They're going to leave some out. No, good point. All of them. I only want to hear the first nine. Dane Laguerre, our friend Sigabour. I'm from Iceland.

Lewis Gemmel. Great names. Connor, Jameson We are the most complicated names And you poor No because Smith, am I saying that right?

Connor added a note It says I've suggested before And Matt always pronounces it like Jaminson But it's Jameson So that's what's true I say Jaminson Yeah I don't know

Connor anyway Connor definitely knows who he is there I love that I'm laughing about How easy that name is to pronounce And there's literally a note saying Matt fucked it Yeah Somehow

Thanks Connor I never said Jammondson? Maybe like Jamison rather than Jamison. Oh yeah. I would have said Jamison. Yeah. Anyway. That's what it is.

It's also been suggested by Corey, no last name. Andrew Cox, Hussein Medi, Jessica Lezoia. Whoa. Who, helpfully put in the pronunciation as well. Betsy Nichotelli and Stephen Bedwell have all suggested. Steve Bedwell. Steve. Wow.

He's a, if it is Steve Bedwell. What a 1990s comic. Yeah, well, I think he still exists. But he was, he hosted Triple M Breakfast in the 90s. The highest rating breakfast show on radio. Surely. Great to have him suggesting. Thank you, Steve.

And he's a saint supporter. Okay, well, there we go. That's how you really know him. Yeah. He has this categorical memory of anybody else who supports the Saints. That's nice. Okay, so, Golden State Killer. Well, it all began.

The 19th of March, 1974, when $50 of coins was stolen from a piggy bank. That's pretty harmless. A gateway crime. Oh, that was the diamond nut. No. Oh, okay. This was believed to be the first strike for the Vesalia Ransacker.

Vesalia is a city in California, about 230 miles or 370K, southeast of San Francisco. And most of the ransackers' activities involved, breaking into houses, rifling through or vandalising people's possessions, scattering women's underwear around, and stealing a range of low value items, often ignoring bank notes. So, like, ignore money.

And do you imagine that the piggy bank was smashed and the coins were taken out rather than they just put it under their arm and walked out with it, making a lot less noise? Probably smashed, but I don't have the police report. Hard to know. That's... Yeah, that's strange. that they're going for the low value items.

I guess that's sort of, you know, things you learn in crime as you go along. Maybe take the higher value. Yeah, take the... When you're a novice, you don't realize that $50 is worth more than $1. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you see a stack of cash all bundled up. And you're like, if they've bundled that correctly, that's easily $20,000.

I'm going to take the piggyback. I'm going to take the shiny ones. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're made of gold. Yeah. I'm not an idiot. So he'd often ransack multiple houses in a day, including on the 30th of November in 1974,

when he ransacked a total of 12 houses. That's a big day of ransacking. That's a huge day. God, imagine the sleep you'd have after you'd be pooped. I matter how loud the sack that's filled with coins would be. Yeah. Is that what the way that's sacking is? Yeah.

You've got to have a sack. Of course. You can't ransack without a sack. Anytime I've got like one of those little plastic containers of chewy in my bag, it's so noisy. or one of those tins, like the tins of mints? Oh, a tin mint. Oh, a tipped's mints.

So noisy that I usually just take them out of my bag because they make so much noise. Imagine carrying around all this stuff. He's got $600 in coins. Jinglin and jangling. Oh, those mints. I'm assuming you're stealing because the tin looks fancy. You could just robber the first house and taking the money

and had more money than that 12. So far, I think the robber, the ransacker, is one of those birds. Maybe a bowel bird. See these things that are shiny and pretty, takes them away. Yeah. To make a nest and attract a mate.

Yeah, oh. Just a lonely little bird. Is he taking a lot of blue things? Yeah, it's a magpie. The most common MOs of the burglaries included. Scaling fences and moving through established routes such as like parks, walkways, ditches. It was usually in places that had that nearby. Oh yeah, go through a ditch.

Yeah, yeah, established routes through the ditch. Just go around the ditch, mate. No, no. People are like, well, that guy doesn't look suspicious. He's just walking 600 metres through a ditch. I'm picturing him, like, literally walking down a bank, so he's sort of like horizontal. It's a cartoon character. Yeah, it's a cartoon.

Attempting to pry open multiple points of entry, particularly windows, leaving multiple points of escape open. So especially leave windows, garages, garden doors, leave them all open. So they didn't know which thing to... Or if somebody comes home. he's got multiple routes out. Oh, right when he's inside. When he's in, yeah.

Removing window screens from like windows, bedroom windows and stuff like that. Oh, at least he does not break him because that would be annoying you. You've got to get your fly screen redone. Yeah, and you don't have your loose change, you know, anymore to pay for it. Yeah. You do have those bundles of $100 bills. Who wants to break those? That's my long-term savings.

The coins, that was my rainy day stuff, you know. You got to have different buckets. Yeah. It's what the barefoot investor teaches us. Or apparently it would also place warning items around, such as like dishes or bottles against doors and on door handle so that, again, if somebody came home or if there was movement, he'd know. Oh, right.

Like it would make a... It would make a noise. I once did that in my childhood bedroom when I was about seven. I had a bucket full of marbles and I tied it to... Oh, no. Yeah, the bucket handle was tied to the door, and then there was a bookshelf right next to the door, so the marbles were put on top of that.

My mom opened the door, and they went everywhere. She nearly died. She slipped on them? No, she was just so terrified. Open the door and smash, smash, smash. You know, it was probably like, you know, I had 200 marbles or something insane. You were a little Kevin McAllister.

I was like, don't come in my room, mum. I'm the wet bandit. Was that why you, why did you do it? For safety. Yeah, for safety. Oh, how old were you? Yeah, we're in the... How old were you, Dave?

Seven. Was your body going through changes? Okay. Yes, heaps of changes, yeah. You weren't the wet bandits. That were the bad guys. Kevin was... You thought your mum was the wet bandit.

I was the wet dream bandit. And in the morning you were the sticky bandit. I thought, I think, it was, I was setting up Traps Indiana Jones style. It was pretty much into... To trap. baddies like your mum. Yeah, I didn't want people coming in to steal like gold heads, you know. Sure, which you had also in your room.

And mum came in with a bag of sand and carefully replaced her. God, she's good. The giant ball just chased her out. And she ran away. She said, at dinner's ready, David. And she learned her lesson that day and she still hasn't been in Dave's room since. She hasn't come back. She hasn't come home.

I miss her every day. So the ransacker was described as young, Caucasian and male, around 5'10. How tall are you, Dave? 5'8 foot 8. So he's about 178 centimetre, slightly taller than Dave. Oh, actually, I'm probably 5'6th. Yeah. I'm about 170.

Yeah, same. And about 180 to 200 pounds, so 80 to 90-ish kilos. Definitely not me. Definitely. That's twice you. I was wearing a platform shoes and the Santa suit. I used to wear with padding when I dressed up a Santa. God, you would have been such a sad Santa.

Oh, man, it was terrible. Things are not looking good. Santa sack. Rand sack. Oh, my God. We cracked it. Wow, all right. I guess that's it.

We finally solved this unsolved case. Thank you for joining us. So people are obviously getting a glimpse of him then. Yeah. Because he's hitting a lot of places. Right. And then people are seeing him in the ditch. Yeah, walking through a ditch.

Like, that does seem odd. Why is he carrying a sack in the ditch? It's physically fit, able to run and bicycle and scale garden fences. Certainly not me. No. With relative ease. So yeah, definitely not you. And he also, I'm so upset to say, he also appeared to be left-handed.

Sinister. Yeah, that's right. So. Not ambi. sinister that. No. Evil-handed. Yeah, he's evil-handed. Yeah, he had the evil gene and the evil hand. After a spree of about 18 months, and

again, hitting places quite frequently and never getting caught, the ransackers' crimes took a darker turn on September 11, 1975. 45-year-old journalist Claude Snelling woke up at about 2 a.m. to strange noises in the house. He got out of bed

to investigate and found an intruder wearing a ski mask attempting to kidnap his 16-year-old daughter. Oh, God. shouting and running towards the intruder, Claude was shot twice and the assailant fled the scene. His daughter Beth was safe, but Claude later died from his injuries. Oh, geez. But earlier that year, Claude had chased a prowler away from the house after discovering him near his daughter's bedroom window. Oh.

So police then set up stakeouts at other houses that had been targeted previously by prowlers hoping to capture the assailant, thinking he's coming back to places he's already back. Yeah, that's good work. they were even offering a $4,000 reward to catch this person. They were pretty desperate and not having a lot of clues. And they came very close once, a couple of months after Claude Snelling's murder in December of 1975, a masked man entered the backyard of a house near where the ransacker had been reported to frequent.

And Detective William McGowan was already on stakeout inside the garage of the house. So luckily, he was in. the house that the Ransacker appears at. And he fired a warning shot at the assailant as he came into the garage. And the Ransacker surrendered. He was like, yep, all right, you got me. He was spooked by the shot. Okay.

But somehow managed to jump a fence. Oh. What? Pulled out a revolver firing once near Mugawan's face and shattering his flashlight. So nearby officers rushed to the aid of this Detective Magoen and the shooter was able to escape. And after the incident, the Ransacker pretty much. went quiet, leading police to believe that he had left Vassalia. He'd left the area.

So they had him. But like what a cool idea of like, we'll just stake out houses that he's, that have had prowlers near around. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But then you get him and then he. He gets away. He's, the leap from him surrendering to then jumping a fence. Yeah, I don't know. That's like something out of an action movie.

Yeah. You know, suddenly they've got a gut. Yeah. And then he does a somersault over the fence. Yeah, yeah. Jeez. Yeah. I mean, I guess he got lucky and they got very unlucky.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, you just sort of must have gone for it. He could have got shot, but. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So he, those after those. And then to escape as well when there's cops all around the area.

All around. And they've come to the aid of their colleague, obviously, who's been shot at, but was okay. Yeah. But he's gone. Yeah, they know where he is. You think the vague area of it. Yeah. Yeah.

And so he disappears from Vesalia. It doesn't really attack anymore. By the middle of the following year of June 1976, it seemed that the ransacker had moved to Sacramento. Oh, that makes sense. Sacramento, Ransack. It just feels like a better fit for him. He also loves Mentos, so it just made sense.

But he wasn't just ransacking and burgling now. He'd progressed to much more serious and sinister crimes and had a new nickname too. His initial M.O. was to stalk middle-class neighborhoods at night in search of women who were alone in one-story homes, usually near a school or a creek or trail or other open space that would provide a quick escape. Right, so he could run through the school. Yeah, well, I mean, like, because, I mean, schools take up, like, a lot of space. So I suppose you could escape through multiple points, parks, anything like that. Gosh.

And he'd often sort of escape through backyards. Like you just jump fences, jump fences, and then all of a sudden you're three blocks over and going in a different direction. So they don't know where you are. And at this point, they didn't realize was the same guy? They don't realize for decades. Right. Oh. Yeah.

So this is just a quick sort of recap from Wikipedia. Most victims had seen or heard a prowler on their property before the attacks and many had experienced break-ins. Police believed that the offender would conduct extensive reconnaissance in a targeted neighbourhood, looking into windows and prowling in yards, before selecting a home to attack. It's believed he sometimes entered the home of future victims to unlock windows, unload guns and plant ligatures for the lady use. So he'd break in and plant stuff there for when he attacks. Like weapons and things. Yeah.

And ligatures, so like to tie them up. It's fucked. That's like up your chances of getting busted rather than just bringing a backpack or a sack You're right You come to like, I don't remember unlocking that window I don't remember putting that gun on the desk What's that fresh pack of shoelaces doing over there?

Ah well, it's the 70s Yeah We're always Always breaking shoelaces Never know I need a few extras Apparently he also frequently telephoned future victims sometimes for months in advance to learn their daily routines. So we did a lot of research.

Initially, he targeted women who were alone, but the man now referred to as the East Area rapist soon began targeting couples as well. So now he's got a new nickname, which is super fun. Right. So his MO was to break in through a window or a sliding glass door and awaken the sleeping occupants with a flashlight, threatening them with a handgun.

He'd usually separate the couple, stacking dishes on the man's back and threatening to kill everyone in the house if he heard them rattle. So he'd tie them up and then like separate them, put, yeah, a stack of plates or cups or whatever he could find on top of the man so that he, if he moved, he'd know and then he'd kill everyone. Right. I am not good at lying still.

Right. Very fidgety. Especially, I would imagine you'd be quite stressed at that time. A lot of adrenaline. Yeah, yeah. Like even in the cinema, I can't sit in the same position for more than five minutes. In the cinema? Yeah.

Yeah, okay. And there's a lot of adrenaline in a cinema. Oh, yeah, for sure, especially when you're watching films that I like, The Rock, Con Air, Die Hard, Day Hard 2. You're watching those in cinemas? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Do you have a cinema in your house? Yes.

Okay. And we've not been invited over. Oh, no. Okay. Never coming over. I have a little popcorn machine. Does that be fun? Can I come now?

Yeah, a popcorn machine. Yeah, I do. Dave's got a popcorn wing of his house. Yeah, sorry. Damn it. Got a popcorn butler. Ah, just for popcorn? Yes.

Yeah, there's a whole popcorn farm there. I mean, obviously it's corn at the start. But, you know, as the process goes on. Wow. My men's wealth comes from popcorn. I'm a popcorn mogul. Good for you, Dave. And also, why the fuck did I have to get my own popcorn maker when you live not that far from me?

And apparently... I also manufactured popcorn maker, so you really helped my empire by buying that little machine. Well, jokes on you. I didn't buy it. A friend sent it to me. Ha ha! Damn it, she bought it. Fuck!

Fuck! Yeah, so on some... Plates. On some occasions, he spent hours in the house. Like, you kind of think that it would be like an in-and-out attack kind of thing, you know? Yeah, God. But he would just, like, hang out. He'd go through their drawers and their wardrobes.

He'd look through their fridge, he'd eat their food, drink their beer. What? What? It's so weird. Apparently a couple of times. times his victims would think that he'd left because it's like, oh, it's been really quiet for a while, he's gone. But then he just appear again.

So the plates that start rattling and he just yell like, still here. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Got a bit of horror film about it. It totally does. He just starts smelling and he's put a turkey roast on. Oh, no. Oh, God.

This thing's like like two hours to go. He comes back. I'm going to need one of those plates. He's having friends over. Where's your gravy boat? You guys got garlic? Who doesn't have garlic? What the fuck?

Where are the condiments? Do you not chop? Oh, mustard not in the fridge. What is wrong with you? Oh my God. I'm not eating this. This spice rack is inadequate. He just broke it into make him a dinner.

They're like, mate, you've stalked the house. You've come in here like three or four times. Don't you know what we've got? Yeah, surely. He comes with a backpack with all of the things that he needs. No one day they come in. They're like, I don't remember buying that gun. I don't remember buying that paprika, I don't know.

What is paprika? It's the 70s. He's stacked their spice rack. That's when we knew we had a killer on our hands. A killer chef. Yeah, so they'd think he's gone. He'd come back, just sort of like he was psyching them out. And again, he would ignore money but still small, personal items of no real value.

Things like cufflinks and jewelry and, I mean, jewelry probably has a lot. a bit of value. But you know what I mean? Like you could take cash and he'd take, no, I'm taking your wedding thing. It's a more like keepsakey type weird, weird collections. Yeah, gross. Yeah, very gross. He does not sound quite right this guy. No, I think, Matt, I think that is an excellent instinct you're having there. Okay. And probably a very good observation. Not quite right. Also, I don't like him much at all. No. No. Well, he's a great. In fact, I quite dislike him. Oh, wow. He's a great chef, though. I'm just picturing him in the head real good. Yeah.

With paprika. Oh, no. With cinnamon sticks. Yep. And a little bag. So, yeah, slapping him around a bit with a little cinnamon stick bag. You like that? Yeah.

Why don't you stuff him like a turkey? Yeah. Put a full orange up in. Oh, cinnamon sticks up the chuff. No one likes that. No one likes cinnamon up the chuff. So then he would, like, creep away, leaving the victims, again, uncertain if he'd left. Oh, that's terrifying.

But also, I guess. Yes, in a way, that kind of means they can't pinpoint the time that he left. Also, and he can't run and call the police straight away because you're like waiting for like 20 minutes. Exactly. So that gives him plenty of time to get far away. And also, they'll have no idea when he left and how far he could have gone. Maybe. Maybe that's part of the thinking.

I don't know. But I mean, you probably wouldn't say goodbye, would you? You know? All right, two-de-loo. All right. I've just tried the last dish. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Yeah, the dishwasher is on. So the... I've also put a little something and the slow cooker For tomorrow. We'll be ready for tomorrow night. That's the tomorrow's dinner. I'll be back around six.

Keep that on low for eight hours And then if it needs a little more Just add a little bit more fluid. Pop it on for another floor. Okay. All right. Pairs very nicely with a pin on one. Which I've left here for you as well, obviously.

It's chilling. I put that in the fridge last week. to be very cold by now. A pito noir in the fridge! He is a serial killer. That's the first clue. So he operated in Sacramento County from the first attack in June of 1976 until May of 1977, so almost a full year.

But after a yearish of frequent attacks, he went quiet. But like quite a few attacks. Pretty frequent. God. After about three months, He struck in the nearby San Joaquin County in September before returning to Sacramento for all but one of the next 10 attacks. So he's so prolific and they cannot catch him. And it's just in one area each time.

Pretty specific areas, yeah. And I guess, so I'm assuming because he goes away for three months, that's him just probably doing his day job or something. something? Yeah. Or getting distracted by, it's so wild to think of this guy as having a life. Yeah, being a real person. And it's also crazy to think that if he's so prolific,

if he's doing 10 attacks and then you whatever, each of them are clearly very well researched as well. Right. So he has to stalk these people, sometimes break into their house. Well, maybe that's what the three months is. Is he doing research for the next? You've got so many, like, wow.

Well, they started to have a bit of a theory that like some of the areas, had like those big housing estates being built, so lots of construction and stuff. And they kind of, they had a theory for a while that maybe he worked in construction because that's what was taking him to those areas. But they still couldn't find anything solid in that.

But that was something they thought for a little while. But it's just crazy, isn't it? That like, I mean, they didn't have the DNA technology that they have now. Yes, right. It feels like this just, because I was researching this and then had to go to work overnight alone in a dark building. And I was like, I'm going to die. But then I was like, now we have CCTV, you know?

And people know where I am. A lot harder to get away with it. Yeah, like he can't walk into someone's house and have a beer. Yeah. Like have a sip and put it back without people being like, well, we've got your DNA. Exactly. And like even wearing gloves and stuff, he's left no DNA around. Or maybe he has, but they have nothing to, they can't match it to anything.

When did DNA can really come in? I don't even know. I was thinking it was around by them, but not quite. I think maybe more like 80s, but I'm not 100% sure. But isn't that wild? And it's probably not. It's just gotten better and better, I think. It did give me a little bit of solace though that I was like,

I did just walk into this secure building past a security guard. Who knows where I am? Yeah. So, and there's cameras everywhere. So it's probably fine. Like, I don't even pick my nose at work just in case. And you're alive. Yeah.

You know? And you are live on air around the country. Totally. So somebody would probably. notice if suddenly it just went dead air. It went dead. That's right. Yeah, you're right. Oh, God, that is encouraging.

The air went dead and so did the jest. So did there. But they'll be able to pinpoint when. And they'll know when to look at the security camera. It's fine. Sometime between Skeggs and St Vincent. Yep. That's what I do.

I thought of one new band and I saw one from my days of many ways. Skegs is a good reference. Yeah. And the chats. Yeah. The chats. I've seen the chats. There you go.

You're cool. You're hip. I'm cool. You're rad. Hey, I'm all right. Don't worry about me. Do you know either of those bands? I don't know.

Skeggs. Okay. What about the chats? Goxi supported Skeggs on a national tour. Oh, I've seen photos of Skegs then. Yes. I don't think that's funny. The chats are, they're doing a big tour maybe in America coming up or the

The Chats. The UK. Yeah, they had a big, sort of big song with Smoko. It's called Smoko. Yeah. Not for me. I'm on Smoko. So leave me alone.

Yeah, that's not for me. What about pub feed? You're into that? That's their other song. Yeah. What about identity theft? You like the sound of that? What is?

I mean, okay. I'm not going to say anything nice. Music's changed since you're a boy. It's really for low IQ people now, isn't it? I'm on Smokho. I'm having a pub feed. Cool.

Oh, Dave. You've just added it to yourself from our young listeners. Sorry, everyone. I'm not a hip as you. Judgy boy. Yeah, not hearing any of the music, but making assumptions. I saw him support the Cosmic Psychos at the Croxton. And then at the end of the Psycho set, they all came out and played a song together.

It was like a super double group. It was sick. That's nice. It was a real great fun show. Oh, that seems like they were having a good time. Cosmic Psychos have a song called Pub. And also another song called Nice Day to Go to the Pub. Which we've blasted loudly in the car in the UK.

Crack and Tree. So now you're on board. Oh, I'm on board with that. Okay, cool. Yeah. You are hard to read. No, I stay to have some beetroot. Have some beetroot.

I love beatroot. I love Beatrice. I love Beatrice. Anyway, so he is attacking all over the place. He attacks five times during the summer of 1978 in other counties before disappearing again for another three months. And then attacks moved primarily to Contra Costa County in October and lasted a disdictory. until July 1979. Wow.

So many. Yeah. And after terrorising Northern California for several years, the attacks then started happening in Southern California, primarily in Santa Barbara. And with new territory and new police jurisdiction came a new name, original Night Stalker. Original was in the name.

No. They called Night Stalker, and then there was another guy in the 80s called Night Stalker, so then they changed this one to original Night Stalker. So are people like serial killers copyrighting their names? I mean, I don't think, I mean, this guy didn't give himself any of these names. It just seems like, oh, we can't call the Nightstalkers taken.

The original, that's what happens with bands. We can't think of a new name. Yeah, when bands like, oh, there's already a band in America called Night Stalker. All right, we're original Night Stalker when we tour America. What about Nocturnal Stalker? You know, there's options. Yeah, get something else. Not daytime stalker.

Had it taken this long to get the name? What do you mean? The original Night Stalker. Because there's been so many attacks. Sure, no, but this is in a new area. So now it started happening in Southern California in Santa Barbara. Right. And so, because remember that, like, the police aren't talking to each other.

Yeah, it's crazy. So now all of a sudden there's just a new set of attacks happening. And only, and this is a little spoiler, but only years and years and years later, they figure out it's the same person. Wild. So they're just like, all these attacks have suddenly started happening. It's like, no, this guy's. been pretty prolific.

And then when they go away, they go, oh, thank God. All right. All right. All right. Not our problem. Good, good. Oh, he must have died. Thank God.

They genuinely think that at some point. So he first struck in Santa Barbara in October of 1979, and now the attacks had taken an even darker turn. So it was the first of October, an intruder broke in and tied up a couple in Goleta in Santa Barbara. When the intruder had left the room, the woman screamed, raising the alarm to their nearby neighbors and causing the intruder to flee. And their neighbor, conveniently, was an FBI agent who pursued the perpetrator who fled

on foot through local backyards, like I was saying before, just like jumping fences. Sounds like an athlete. Yeah. And they've got a lot of theories. And I'll talk in a sec about sort of the profile they build about him, what they think. But this FBI guy didn't have any luck catching him? Didn't catch him. But how you would feel pretty secure living next to a cop or something, you know, unless you

love drugs. Right. Yeah. Then you feel pretty insecure. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know. If you got a meth lab out of the back.

Yeah. Or you just smoke a lot of weed, you know. Everyone knows that smell. Where the new neighbour moves in and they're like, yeah, I work for the FBI. You're like, oh, really? Yeah. Anything in particular? Yeah, I'm on a drug squad.

Okay. Just a, give me a couple minutes. There's an explosion in the background. Anyway. Well, all done. I'll pop the kettle on then. Your backyards on fire Don't worry about that

I don't worry about that I need to burn it For at least a couple of hours To burn all the evidence I mean I'm so sorry Yeah got to burn all that It's just backburning

Backburning in the suburbs You know I've got to look after backburning Anyway Everyone in the neighbourhoods Getting a sweet buzz Yeah Although the FI guy

Just hears the toilet It's the toilet being flushed all night Are they flushing drugs Yeah They're flushing drugs And then the next day it's like, oh, I just had a bad... Really bad timing. Yeah.

Oh, I got gastro. Thank God I remember to lift the seat this time. Because last time was horrific. And then the cop walks in there and there's just a pile of powder on the toilet seat. I've been flushing the hour. It's still there. It's just a block of drugs. A cube.

So, yeah, the FBI agent tried to chase him but didn't catch him. But this couple that were first attack were lucky to survive, and they were an anomaly in a string of Southern California attacks. What followed was at least five more fatal attacks over the next two years. So killed five people? No, more than that. Just a couple in a go. Oh.

So... Was he still wearing a mask? Yeah, he was masked, and it was still sort of like the same kind of surveillance and then breaking in, separating the couple. It was still that kind of thing. So once they connected him, they're like, oh, we should have talked to each other before. Yeah.

Oh, that made sense. So weird, you had that. We had something incredibly similar just before you. So the two that survived saw him, but he was in a mask. Yeah. Yeah. But they had like a, through lots of different, through a bunch of different attacks, they had an idea of kind of what he looked like, like height, weight, blue eyes.

They had that. So he's wearing like a balaclava, I would assume. Blue eyes, that's a minority, I think, of eyes. Is it? That narrows it down a little bit. I think Brown's more common. A special little tree over here. Well, that's probably if you take the worldwide population into it.

Yeah, it does make sense, yeah. And I do. We are the world. People are like, well, it clearly wasn't less likely that it was someone from Asia. Okay, we can rule that over there, even though we went investigating over there. Doesn't matter. Let's rule it out. Different part of the world.

Sometimes it's good to make a list just so you check it's for. Yeah, it does feel better. Yeah, it does. So on December 30 of 1979, 44-year-old Robert Offerman and 35-year-old Deborah Alexandra Manning were found shot dead at Offerman's condo in Galleta. And on March 13, 33-year-old Charlene Smith and 43-year-old Lyman Smith were found murdered in their Ventura home. So these are all pretty close areas. Right. So there's like December, then March of 1980.

the unusual Chinese knot, a diamond knot, was used on Charlene's wrists. The same knot was noted in the Sacramento East Area rapist attacks, and the murderer was therefore briefly given the name Diamond Not Killer. They're not that creative, really, are they? No, that's a cool sounding name, but also aren't you basically advertising, if that's in the media or whatever, then he hears that and goes, well, I won't use that. not anymore if I don't want them to associate me.

Or he's more like... Damn right, I'm the diamond knife. And that's usually more the case. The kind of notoriety. Yeah, that's my calling card. Yeah, they kind of play that game because they're sort of like, you'll never catch me. Because they're not quite right.

They're not quite right. I'm getting that vibe. Not with a K. Then in August, newlywed 24-year-old Keith Eli Harrington, and 27-year-old Patrice Harrington, were found bludgeon to death in their home. Although there was ever,

Evidence that the Harrington's wrists and ankles were bound. No ligatures or murder weapons were found at the scene. So it's like he'd taken it all with him as well. What are ligatures again? Like stuff to tie your wrists. And so it could be shoelaces, string. I don't know me either. I was listening to an audio book about it.

And I was like, ooh, ligatures. Liggatures. And then in February of 81, a 28-year-old, Manuela Withun was raped and murdered in her Irvine home. Her husband, David, was in hospital with a virus, and Manuela had kept the same routine over several nights in a row. She'd have dinner at her parents, visit the hospital to see David, and then go home. So it was David who raised the alarm, actually,

because he hadn't heard from her for a day or so, and he asked her mum to go and check. Oh, that's an awful discovery. Horrendous. Detectives also noticed that the couple's television was found in the backyard, possibly the killer's attempt to make the crime appear to be a botched robbery. But, like, you just moved it to the back. back yet.

You didn't steal it. You just moved it. Maybe that's why he didn't steal big items because he was always getting away on foot or on a bike. Yeah. It's kind of hard to carry a TV with you on a bike. Also makes me wonder, is he earning a decent living during the day maybe? So it's just money's not a, it's not a motivator for him.

That's a great, great observation, Matthew. But I just wonder how it has time for all of this. Yeah, that's true too. If you are working full time, even if you are moving around for work from California City to California City. He's got to, I mean, he's, yeah, planning and plotting and spending all night killing people. It's horrific, but like just the time management is. You're going to say impressive?

No, it's just like it kind of unbelievable. Davey thinking it's impressive. No, I was going to say kind of unbelievable for someone if they are working full-time. Yeah. He's kind of made murdering a full-time job, which is so weird. Yeah, I guess it's kind of like how we worked full-time and did podcasting on the side for a bit. And then after a while, podcasting was enough to kind of, you know, supporter. Maybe it's like that.

I still work full-time. Huh. Podcasting does not support it. No, it doesn't at all. It helps me. Thank you so much, everybody. Yeah, thank you so much. But, you know, more, please.

Please, sir, can I have some more? Or if you have any odd jobs, you need to. Yeah, any work done. If you're like a casting agent and you need someone to be a busy mum, I'm your gal. Or a busy dad. Or a hot young son. Yeah, okay, we could be a little fan. Imagine that.

You'd have to shave off. the beard. Would you do that for? Yeah, for money, yes. Okay. How much? Because we've been meaning to talk to you about it. Really? Have you trimmed it at all? Yeah. He shapes it. He shapes it. He tidies it. That's what I thought. I thought that couldn't be unfettered growth. Yeah, this is a clipped. What do you think? Yeah, it's looking very trim. It's a small beard. That's what you want. It's sort of in... You know anything too bushy. It gets a bit yuck. It's in the George Lucas School of Small Beards. Oh, no. But people make fun of him.

I saw an old friend last night and they were like this is the near you now you look better with this but I can go back like this is in front of the new you now yeah you're done now do you think this is me

I like it but it's real I mean only you can decide obviously but I just hadn't really thought long term sure but maybe it is I'm trying to this is so unrelated I'm trying to grow out my hair

and then I saw a video of us a comedy festival probably last year and I just cut my hair real short and I was like god damn that It's good. Oh, wow. God damn.

Oh. So it's hard. You got hair nostalgia. Yeah, really. I always do. And then when it's short, I'm like, oh, I miss the long date. You know, I'm never happy. Never happy.

Hair is always greener on the other side. Yeah, you're right. None is. Turn around. Green. Dave's coloured the back of his head green. Yeah, just the back. So there were a couple more attacks as well.

In July, another couple were attacked in a residence in Goleta. And the offender. had entered the house through a small bathroom window. The man Gregory Sanchez was shot and wounded in the cheek before being bludgeoned to death with a garden tool. But no neighbours responded to the gunshot. Yeah, the question I wanted to ask was a lot of the people being shot because I was using a silence or something?

Why people are not hearing a gunshot? Yeah, and maybe just not like responding to it. Sometimes I imagine at least two of he's killing two people. Yeah. So it makes no sense. If I heard a gunshot, I'd be quite suss, I reckon. Yep. I'd be like, oh, if that doesn't sound right.

Better call someone. Yeah, I'd call someone. Or I'd mute the TV and just listen for a bit and be like, was that a gunshot? What else can I hear? You know what I mean? Gunshot, rattling plates. Yeah. I'd be like, oh, what's going on here?

Yeah. Someone's having a wild party. So after this attack, there was nothing for a few years. A few years? Yeah, that was in 81. Then, on the 4th of May in 86, 18-year-old Janelle Lisa Cruz was found after she was bludgeoned to death in her Irvine home. Her family was on vacation in Mexico at the time of her attack, and a pipe wrench reported

missing by her stepfather was thought to be the murder weapon, but they didn't find that either. So the Southern California murders were not initially thought to be connected by investigators in their respective jurisdictions. A Sacramento detective strongly believed that the East Area rapist was responsible for the Galletta attacks, but the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department attributed them to a local career criminal who was later murdered. So they're like, no, no, no, no, it's this other guy that we know about. Oh, he's murdered.

Everything's going to be fine. And it's all done. And that's why it went quiet. Yeah, I guess so. That's their reasoning. Well, that's it. But after the 1986 attack, the killer went quiet again. And this time it was for good.

So it probably did make them sort of go, well, I guess that's it then. Right. He must have died. In 86? Yeah. Right. I mean, obviously, we've been saying this all along. There's something quite wrong.

with this dude. But do they often stop for five years after, you know, and then come back for one and then stop? Yeah, you've killed 10 people in a year. You've attacked 10 people in a year and then go on, take five years off. Maybe started talking to someone. Well, so that, yeah, what else could have been happening in his life maybe? Jail.

Or? Move somewhere else. Or family. Oh, oh. That's just a theory. So he had kids and then went, oh, the murder life's not for me anymore. Well, yeah, I highly doubt it was a conscious decision of, oh, maybe that's not right. I don't know.

But like nearly all serial killers we've ever talked about, this killer, or at very least, someone claiming to be him, made contact with police, media and even victims. So I've got a few examples here of, like, phone calls. But he made, he also, like, wrote letters and stuff to media a couple of times, so it was mostly a few phone calls. So back in 1977, the Sacramento County Sheriff's Office received three calls from a man claiming to be the East Area rapist. None were recorded.

You got three calls from someone saying they're doing a bunch of attacks and you don't record any of those calls. How quickly would you be able to, they'd probably have a thing where they just push a button to record? I guess so. Well, you think at least... For quality purposes, you know, quality and control. Yeah, that's right.

And training purposes. And training purposes. Yes. Of course, well, even if you missed the first one, you get a recorder ready in case they call back, right? And he did 15 minutes later. So the first one was at 415, then the second one at 430, and they were identical calls, and they ended with the caller laughing and hanging up.

And the final call came in at 5pm with the caller saying, I'm the east side rapist, and I have my next victim already stalked out and you guys can't catch me. And from what I understand, there was an attack that night or the next day. So until that attack were they like, that's just a prank. Probably. But like, record them. This is another time in December of 1977, so later that year, a man claiming to be the rapist called the Sacramento Police saying,

you're never going to catch me, East area rapist, you dumb fuckers. Similarly to the previous call, the East Area rapist attacked his victim the same night. Wow. It's so strange. So, and then in December, oh, so that was the 2nd of December, on the 10th of December, So, you know, a week later, shortly before 10pm, Sacramento authorities received two identical calls saying, I'm going to hit tonight, what avenue, W-A-T-T-T.

Not like, what avenue? Oh, right, right, right, sorry, yeah. He's giving them a street. I'm taking requests. Yeah, what avenue? Both were recorded, and the caller was identified as the same person who placed the call the week earlier. So law enforcement patrols were increased that night,

and at 2.30 a.m., a masked man eluded officers, after being seen bicycling on Watt Avenue Bridge. How is he getting away? Well, he was spotted again at 4.30, and he discarded the bike and fled on foot. It was a stolen bike as well. So twice they spotted him, and he got away. Right, but he didn't attack anyone that night?

I don't think so. Wow. It doesn't make any sense. It seriously is like a... It's like Mike Myers. Michael Myers. Michael Myers. Who throws a shoe?

He says on a bike, you can't catch me, shagadelic, baby. They're like, Mike Myers? That's so clearly you. No, I'm not. I'm fat bastard. What? Shwing, swing. You picture Michael Myers riding on a bike, though.

That's what it sounds like. Yeah. He's just slowly just making his way around. It's uncatchable. Yeah. Unstoppable. And you mentioned before, like maybe he was talking to some sort of professional help. Well, in January of 78, a man claiming to be the East Area rapist called the contact counselling service and said,

I have a problem. I need help because I don't want to do this anymore. And after a short conversation, the caller said, I believe you are tracing this call and hung up. Oh, was she? Or the way, were they tracing a call? No idea. I believe you're tracing this call. I have a problem.

I need help. Don't want to do this anymore. I think a counsellor would trace it called. No, I don't think so. No, yeah, no. Why in the 70s would they even have that technology ready to go? Yeah. Yeah.

And they were a couple, this is really weird. So, okay, so one theory was that, well, he's died in 86. That's why he stopped. In 82, a previous victim received a call at her place of work, a restaurant, during which the rapist threatened to attack her again. Oh, my God. According to Contra Costa County, Investigator Paul Holes

who goes on to investigate this guy a lot, they reckon that he must have come to the restaurant by chance and recognised her. And so he was still in the area. That is... So fucked. As if you haven't already ruined someone's life enough.

I know. And I'm really sorry if you're listening to this at night. It's not good. Yeah, I'm starting to think this guy's got no morals at all. Do you reckon? I reckon you might be right too. But that was 82. There was also a call in 2001.

2001. In April, one day after an article in the Sacramento B linked the original night stalker and the East Area rapist, a victim received a call from him and he asked, remember when we played. And then hung up. And she recognised the voice. Terrifying.

So 2001. still alive. So that's at least 15 years after the year time. But he's obviously just keeping his toe dipped in or something. It's more strange. Yeah. So, and we were talking before, there was a speculative psychological profile of the killer was compiled based on their analysis.

So it was speculated that the killer most likely had the following traits. So an emotional age equivalent to a 26 to 30 year old at the time the movie, It was began in 1979. So it wasn't like not a young man, not a really old man. But that, you said emotional age. Yeah. What does that mean? I don't know.

Well, as in not like, didn't see examples of someone being, say, 30, but having the emotional age of a 12 year old. Like no sort of learning difficulties or maybe. Had some knowledge of police investigation methods and evidence gathering techniques. Dressed well and would not. stand out and upscale neighborhoods, good physical condition, had some means of income but did not

work in the early morning hours, hated women for actual or perceived wrongs. If he was married, probably had a submissive spouse who tolerated his sexually deviant behaviour, intelligent and articulate, neat and well-organized in his personal life and drove a well-maintained car, peeped in windows of many people who were not attacked, who was self-assured and confident, would continue committing violent crimes until incapacitated by prison death or other intervention and would have been described by those who knew him as arrogant, domineering, manipulative and a chronic liar.

So that's just sort of, and this is based on 70s and they've got no real evidence of this guy, just based on the way that he attacks and behaves. This is a psychological profile they put together. I mean, it just was not accurate, though, in the terms of that he would keep attacking unless he was jail. Yeah.

Which we don't, I don't know yet. But. So some of it, and this is a little spoiler. Some of it, bang on. Really? Some of it, not quite. But some of it, fuck, bang on. He didn't dress well at all.

He didn't dress well. He didn't dress well. He's in trackies. And his wife was like, just put something nice. It's our anniversary, you know? Ugh. So they could figure all that out. But at the time, DNA technology hadn't come far enough to help them correctly identify the killer.

But then, of course, the murders stopped. So had he died? Was he already in prison? What happened to him? Police had a couple of suspects, but most were men known to victims, is usually the case. So there was no evidence to connect them to those crimes

and no one was ever charged. People were investigated, but they weren't guilty. But also this entire time, no one had called him the Golden State Killer. Have you noticed I haven't said that at all? No, yeah, yeah. So all these different names.

So in 2006, Michelle McNamara was a true crime author, launched her website True Crime Diary. And after authorities linked DNA evidence that connected the original Night Stalker and East Area Rapist, she coined the moniker Golden State Killer to refer to the serial killer and rapists who'd previously been referred to by various other names. Right, so she amalgamated.

She came out with Golden State Killer. She became interested in the Golden State Killer case and penned articles for the Los Angeles magazine about the serial killer in 2013 and 2014. Harper Collins offered her a book deal and she began working on her debut novel. Tragically, though, which you may know, Michelle died in her sleep in April 2016 from an accidental overdose as well as an undiagnosed heart condition.

Her husband is comedian Patton Oswald. Right, do you remember that, yeah. And along with some true crime writers, he finished Michelle's book and it was posthumously released in Feb of last year, 2018, almost two years after her death. On April 25th last year, two months after the release of her book, the Sacramento police announced they had arrested a suspect in the Golden State Killer case, 72-year-old Joseph James DiAngelo, a former police officer from Auburn and Exeter in California.

And Patton Oswald quite famously took to Instagram when he heard of the news, and he says, looks like they've caught the East Area rapist. And if that's true, they've caught the Golden State killer. I think you've got him, Michelle. Two years after she died, two months after her book was released, they caught him. Was it important in the, in catching him, the book? It probably helped. I haven't seen heaps to say that, like, it was with her research that they found.

There was people working on it regardless. But what was notable about her work was that she was, and I'll talk a little bit about it at the end as well. But she wasn't just looking at it from that, because we've all got that sick kind of fascination with serial killers or people who do these awful things. We're all kind of like, you're fascinated by the details, but also you don't want to know. Yeah, I find that I read about it and then go, I wish I didn't know. Yeah, exactly. But she was really approaching it from the perspective of a lot of different people, from police and also from victims and people living in those areas at the time.

And again, I'll talk about it in a sec, but like it rattled an entire community for a really long time. and people didn't feel safe because all these attacks kept happening. And I read somewhere that it wasn't a question of if, it was a question of when. People were just assuming that they will get attacked at some point. It was totally fucked. So a little bit about DiAngelo. So he was born on November 8th, 1945 in Bath, New York.

He joined the US Navy in September of 64 and served for just under two years during the Vietnam War. beginning August 1968 he attended Sierra College and in June 1970 he graduated with an associate degree in police science with honours In May of 1970 he became engaged to Bonnie Jean Colwell

A classmate at Sierra College But she broke off the You guessed it controlling and possessive relationship Oh So after the breakup he reportedly appeared at her bedroom window With a gun And she alerted her father Who told her to lock herself in the bathroom

and not to come out until he told her to. And after a couple of hours, her father returned and told her that it was safe that Joe had left. A couple of hours. So she went on to marry an accountant. Bad move on her part. And Joe bought a house only a few miles away from hers, but he didn't bother her again. Oh, thank you.

So that's good. In 71, he attended Sacramento State University, where he earned a bachelor's degree in criminal justice and undertook police training. And from May of 73 to August of 76, he was a burg, A burglary unit police officer in Exeter. Right, and the attacks had just started around then? Yep, and it was in a town of about 5,000 people near Vesalia where the ransacker had started before this.

Around that time. So is there a chance that he's burglaring? On the job in uniform? Oh, no, he's doing it at night, and then the next day, getting called him, being like, well, yeah. Look at this case, this is a bit crazy. Yeah, I guess it's possible. I wonder, yeah, but if he, it would be, it'd be silly to do it.

in uniform, right? But maybe that also gives you an alibi but he was never disturbed in that way, was he. He was in a mask. So he was off duty. Yeah. But remember the first thing that I thought about him was that he had an understanding of police operations.

And he did. By 76, he'd been promoted to Sergeant and was in charge of the Exeter Police Department's joint attack on burglary program, even though he was a large part of the problem. Yeah. He was married in 73 to a woman named Sharon Marie Huddle. They had three daughters and separated in 1991.

Oh, those poor kids. He was fired from the police force in 79 for shoplifting a hammer and dog repellent. And he was sentenced to six months probation and he was fired that October. So he was off the police force. And not much is known about his work in the 80s, but in the 90s he worked as a mechanic before he retired in 2017. So it seems like other than a few menacing phone calls, he lived a relatively normal life.

And do they know why he stopped? No, they are still investigating. He was arrested last year, but they're still looking into it. He hasn't gone to court or anything yet? No, they suspect it would be like, it could take up to 10 years. Because there's so many crimes.

And cost $20 million. But he would probably die in that time. Yeah. But they know it's, they're confident as him. Yes. So another kind of weird thing is that his brother-in-law said that DiAngelo casually brought up the East Area rapist in conversation around the time of the original crimes. I could sort of talk about it, maybe gauging other people's perception of it. What would you be hoping for?

Someone would be like, yeah, I know, pretty cool, huh? What a rad dude. Like, of course not. You probably want that people to be terrified by it. Yeah, you probably want the fear. You want it because that's the way you experience it firsthand. Yeah. Your relatives are like, yeah, it's really scary, isn't it?

And neighbours reported that he frequently engaged in loud, profane outbursts, and one neighbour reported that his family received a phone message from DiAngelo threatening to deliver a load of death because of their barking dog. So it was pretty unhinged. But how did they finally catch him after such a long time? How did they do it? Detectives had uploaded the killer's DNA profile from a rape kit from way back to the genealogy website GEDMAT.

So like an Ancestry.com type thing. Oh, right. Yeah, when people put their own DNA in. Yeah. Because I figured he wouldn't have put his own, sure. That would be stupid. Oh, that would be so stupid. But if we can find a match to distant relatives, we can build a family tree.

And that's exactly what they did. So the website identified 10 to 20 distant relatives of the Golden State Killer. And a team of investigators and genealogists worked on the case, eventually narrowing it down to two suspects. Right. One suspect was ruled out using DNA, leaving the end up. Angelo is the only remaining suspect. And the ethics of how they confirmed his guilt are a little bit questionable.

They collected a sample from the door handle of his car. Because obviously they couldn't like approach him because then he could, he could run. He might flee. He would jump over a fence. At 73. He's like, I'm done. So they got a sample from his door handle and later another sample was collected from a tissue found in his rubbish bin.

So they just went through his rubbish out the front of his house. Right. Despite the ethical issues, they were able to identify the man who had terrorised an entire state for over a decade. And it was like, just a direct match from there. Yeah. Isn't that fucking wild? Wow.

And so he hadn't killed for over 25 years. Yeah, and he can't be charged with the rapes or burglaries because of a statue of limitations. Why does that exist? That's weird, isn't it? It's like, ah, you've won, you beat us. You held out for long enough. Yeah, that is, why does that exist? There must be a reason.

Yeah, I don't know. But it has been such a long time, but not that's okay. Yeah, high sex crimes. Surely that is just forever. Yeah. I mean, if you were 10 and stole a Fredo from the milk bar... Yeah, okay. Sure.

Sure. You're a rapist? There's no... 50 years later, I don't care. It's quite different, isn't it? So the statute of limitation has expired on those offences, but he has been charged with 13 counts of murder and 13 counts of kidnapping. Right.

Okay. Well, if they get him on those, then... Yeah. He won't get out on bail, you know? So in late April 2018, the Vizalia chief of police stated that, While there's no DNA linking DiAngelo to some of their cases, his department has other evidence that will play a role in the investigation. And the police chief said that he was confident that the Vassalia ransacker has been captured.

So that was just sort of linking those original, just petty ransacking things. Right. Linking to him as well. This is also this guy. Yeah. And so, yeah, though the statute of limitations on the burglaries had each expired, He was formally charged on August 13 with first degree murder of Claude Snelling in 1975.

So the murders, he can be charged with. Just not rapes and burglaries. Right. Not all of them. Yeah, that's... Something to remember, though, is that because no one ever was ever caught, former victims never felt safe. Like even people living in the area never felt safe

knowing that these attacks were happening so frequently. There's this really good article in Rolling Stone and it talks to a woman named Judy Galane. who'd lived in Rancho Cordova in the 70s. And she was in her early 20s and was terrorized. This is a quote from her. She says, The rapes weren't really on the news,

but you'd hear about it at a party or at the park. She says, did you hear that there was another attack, we'd say? And I was always worrying, how would I survive it? What would I do? It was May of 1977, and Galane's first baby had arrived. News reached her that the rapist would strike with children in the house. And she says, now I have a kid,

and we've just moved closer to the ditch. which was like an area where it was happening the most. And she thought, I have to protect my kid. What am I going to do? This is all a quote. The reporter says, I asked Galane whether she ever had a close call. Yes, she had.

At least once, just a few months later. It was Christmas time and Rancho Cordova was kind of a party spot back then. She began. Her husband was out, so Galane's friend, Lori came over to bake Christmas cookies. There was suddenly a loud, urgent banging at the door. I went to the peephole and whoever it was, he was covering the hole, she said. I was pushing my hip against the door.

It felt like he was pushing that cheap little door in. Whoever this person was, he then took the hose and wrapped it around the door like a figure eight so that we couldn't get out. Maybe he decided to trap them and try a different way in. We were in the house screaming, oh my God, it's him, it's him. The neighbour came over with a shotgun. Maybe she heard us screaming.

She undid the hose and got us out. Learning of a suspect's captures all these years later, Galane was jubilant and felt a rebellious glee, and of course freedom from the enduring fear. Put it this way, Galane said. Last night was the first time in 40 years my husband and I were able to sleep with the window open. Whoa.

Isn't that fucked? Yeah. So yeah, the case is still ongoing. Wow. I would literally move. Totally. I would move away from that area. Yeah.

Absolutely. Of course. No doubt about it. Especially if you had a family, no way. No, I'm out. I'm not. Okay, I'm getting a new job. Yeah.

Which is not how it should be, but. I just would be so scared. I couldn't live like that. Yeah. And I think often that's just not how it goes. You know, like even in Melbourne, maybe some vague equivalent is bushfire areas. Like people know every summer there's a high chance that a bushfire is going to sweep through. And, you know, most people will stay.

And sometimes their housemen is down they rebuild and go. again. Not everyone. Some people move, but a lot of people do just stay, even with that hanging over your head all the time. But yeah, it's wild. Maybe there's other reasons you can't can't afford to. Yeah, of course. I should say that a lot of people probably could, but I would just be, I don't know, it would drive me crazy. Yeah, and it did.

Yeah. And that's why, and that... 40 years later, she's still thinking about it every day. It's like... Totally. And now she finally feels safe, even though he hasn't attacked for such a long time. And obviously, that's a terrifying instance. And some of the people that he would have attacked would have been... but actually attacked. Imagine the survivors. Yeah.

Yeah. He'd never sleep well again, ever. No, no. It doesn't matter where you go. I found a, there's a page on Wikipedia about statute of limitations. It says there's three reasons for their enactment. One, a plaintiff with a valid cause of action should pursue it with reasonable diligence. Okay.

Two, by the time this stale claim is litigated, a defendant might have lost evidence necessary to disprove the claim. And three, litigation of a long, dormant claim may result in more cruelty than justice. You can kind of understand with burglary, you might lose evidence like you don't have your insurance forms from 40 years ago, whatever. I don't know where I was that day. Like, is it because it's... Yeah.

Who not? Well, yeah, that evidence one makes a little bit of sense in something like that. But I don't think it really applies to rape cases, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that's not a thing in Australia, is it? People. I really don't know. I think on some things.

There is Statute of Limitius. Yeah, on some things for sure. Right. I say that because sometimes we make that joke on the dog axe segment that I do where people tell me about petty things that have happened to them. And you call it a statute of limitations on peddiness. No, you can't. It was too long ago.

Get over it. Yeah, that's true. But that's usually about their housemate borrowing their thongs or something. You know, like it's not a big deal. I think you should move on from some things. Yeah, get over it. it. But in this case, not relevant.

There's heaps are really, obviously I just tried to do like a pretty broad sort of start to finish kind of thing there that are a lot of really interesting articles and that book by Michelle McMarrow is called I'll Be Gone on the Dark. It's really great. There's also a mini series called The Golden State Killer. It's not over, which I think was, by the looks of what I've seen, it's before they'd caught him. So it's pretty interesting.

So yeah, I'll chuck all those references in this episode description, but that is my report on the Golden State Killer. Great work, Jess. Wow, Jess. Thank you for having to delve through that research. So Matt and I didn't have to because whoever had to draw that straw, obviously we're thinking about death for a big part of the week. Yep.

I've got to go to work overnight again tonight, so that's good. Yeah, it's scary stuff. Yeah. But, yeah, you wanted it. That's right. requested it. You love it. It is, it is, in a very morbid and strange way, it's fascinating.

Oh, yes, I can see why true crime is so popular. But it is, yeah, I think about it late at night. Yeah, exactly. And it's scary. It's not good. Yeah. Just because, like, he started as a bit of a prowler or a peeping Tom, and then I was walking to my car up the driveway at my house, and I was like,

uh-uh. And it was midnight when I was heading for work. It didn't feel good. You talk about his sort of origin story with him being a bad. He was an asshole. He was like an asshole boyfriend. So partner split off. And then he left her alone.

And I was thinking at first, I'm like, oh, no, this is going to be, this is where it starts. But because he was a cop and he knew he would know that he'd be the first suspect. He's already, he's publicly like her dad knew and stuff. So it's like even more calculating. Like he's, and it almost like he was taking out his anger on her against others or something. Yeah. Because you were saying that their profile said that he hates women. Hates women.

Well, one of the attacks apparently he said something like, I hate you, Bonnie. And her name was Bonnie. Oh, fuck. And so when they kind of joined those dots, they're like, okay, yep. Right. So Bonnie was lucky. Yeah. was really lucky to get out.

I'm lucky to have met him. Totally. Were the family surprised? I don't know. I didn't really see much like that. But yeah, he's like married or separated with three daughters. And he was living with one of his daughters and a grandchild when he was arrested. Imagine their life would be turned upside down as well.

Totally. Yeah, just reframing everything you think you know. Yeah. Awful. But let's not think about it anymore. Okay. Well, let's think about something. much more positive and that is our Patreon supporters.

And the first thing we like to do in the second half of our episodes is the fact quote or question segment. Fact quote or question. One of the, it's the Sydney-Sharnberg Memorial Deluxe, rest in peace level of the Patreon, you can give us a fact, a quote or question as well as a bunch of other great rewards. And you, as well as giving us a fact of quote or question, a question, you also get to give us a title. I don't read these until I read them on the show.

It's all part of the fun. And this week, our fact quote or questioner is Linda Moulton from, well, she lives in Thailand, I think. Oh, yes, we met her in Thailand. The Americans. Teaching over there, yeah. Really, she's a woman of the world. I think she's actually about to, I'm pretty sure of it, she's visiting Australia soon. But Linda's called herself, I forget to give yourself a title.

She called herself Gecko Queen of Gainesville. All right. I like that. So I think I've seen on social media. She does live, she has a gecko, has some geckos where she stays. There's some geckos around her place. I am the gecko queen. Lizard queen.

I can feel the music. Thank you, doctor. Oh, I'm not a doctor. And Linda's given us a quote this week. And the quote is, Well, let me just read the message here. It says the current Guinness Book of World Records holder for fastest talker is held by a Canadian man, Sean Shannon. He earned the title in 1995 by reciting all of the to be or not to be soliloquy from William Shakespeare's Hamlet.

He recited the entire monologue in 23.8 seconds. The entire speech itself is 260 words. Here's the Guinness Book of World Records website with a video of Shannon given the monologue. I'll give that to you to link so people can watch it. Cool. That's like, what, so 10 words a second? 10 words a second. Oh, yeah, I don't really understand.

That was some good fast math, Dave. Fast math, Dave. That's what we call you. The world's fastest math calculator. You are. The current female record holder is Fran Capo, whose speed was calculated at 11 words per second. Couldn't find the video for that one.

And apparently the record is no longer accepting applications because it's difficult to judge the legitimacy and accuracy. Whether people are actually saying the poor words are just going, Nailed it. She says that she was inspired to give us this fact when we were talking about my talking speed on the John McAfee episode. Oh, will we say you were slow? No, no, a very fast talker.

She called it a quote. I reckon that's a fact. I'm going to retitle that quote of fact. That's a good fact. Great fact. Great fact. Thank you so much, Linda. Thanks, Linda.

It's a fantastic fact. Fantastic. And we also like to thank a few of our patrons who've been on the Patreon supporting level of whatever it is and above. Maybe DB Cooper is it, Dave? Yeah. It's one of those. I mean, it's clearly listed on the thing. That's right, because as well as the shout out here, which we're about to give you,

You get access to ticket sales before everyone else. You get two bonus episodes a month at a certain level. You get to be in the Facebook group, which is going off just as a Patreon newsletter. And we just have a little community on there. Yeah. It's a nice way to be. It's actually the associate producer or the arse prod level. Oh, yeah.

Thank you. Ask prods. You ask prods. So, okay, so usually what we do is we like play a bit of a game. But I don't really want to give these people serial killer names. Oh, we would, I reckon we did that in the past. We've matured, have we? All right, let's do it then.

If that's what you want. I'm not saying that's what I want. I mean, that certainly sounds like that's what you want. Dave, did you hear that Matt wants to give... Well, otherwise, we could base it off Linda's fact about speed talking. Maybe we could give him a world record again or the thing they do the fastest. You're all thinking about Dave coming real fast. Yeah, real quick.

Why do you assume? Dave, come on. I don't understand. If it's going to be any of the three of us. You think it's me? Big time. Why? Dave.

Look in the mirror, mate. If I look in the mirror, it's going to happen. It's happening. What do you reckon, Dave? Do we give them something that they do, something they're the best at? Or a murder name. The world record thing's better, isn't it? Yeah, it's a bit nicer.

All right. Well, can I kick us off? and thank from Sydney, Australia. James Hatfield. James Hatfield. I knew what's going to happen. He must get that all the time. James Hatfield.

Very close, James Hetfield of the Metallica from here. James has actually got the Guinness Book of World Records, record for wearing the most hats. Wow. At the same time. At the same time, he balances 87 hats on his head at once. Wow. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah, I know.

I know. That's why he's won the records, why no one can top him. Top hat. When I used to the world record show, we broke made up world records with Adam Knox and Andy Matthews. I once did the world record for wearing the most party hats at once. Oh, yeah.

So I put a lot on. I can't remember the exact number, but it was so big that, and then we attached extra, you know how you get a chin strap, a little bit of elastic. We made it longer and longer of chin straps. So yeah, it was quite tall

And I remember, yeah, I think it sort of fell off towards the end Because it was just so, so big Yeah, it's not structurally sound Not 86, I'm not in the James Hatfield level No, God, no, you wish you could be there Do you remember this, this kid's book for when you were kids? It was about a man selling hats And then there were a bunch of monkeys in a tree

And he's walking around, he's got like this pile of hats up on his head And he goes, he's going, hats for sale, Hats for sale, something like that. And then a monkey comes and gets his hat. And then maybe it used to be read on Play School because I can remember how they, and then the hats seller would be like, you cheeky monkeys,

why did you steal my hats? And then the monkeys slowly take all the hats. I think you maybe gets them back in the air. You chicky monkeys. Why did you still my hats? You look at how? Did I make this up? Yeah, I think you made that.

I got the story your dad read to you as a little boy. Don't look it up. Just move on I need to know I don't think you do need to know I'll All right I'll thank

Can I thank As well I mean James That felt well done so much I'd love to thank From Melbourne Melbourne Australia

Dan Puyick Or Phajik I was a groomsman I was Dan's best man So I know he's I do know his name That's good One of the best

One of the best guys in the world What an honour to have you It was a Patreon. Oh, Dan. Dan, the man. Haven't seen you for a while, Dan. Hope you well. Thanks, Dan.

Thanks, Dan. All right, Dan. Dan, what's... He's very tall. He's very tall. Once I was... I went to... He goes for Geelong and once after a game,

we're on the busy platform at Spencer Street Station, Southern Cross Station. And we were standing there waiting for a train. And this guy was nearest on his phone. And he's going, yeah, I'm on Platform 7. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I've got my hand up in the air now. I'm right next to the freakishly tall guy. No, you were right there.

Weird, but we laugh pretty hard. That's lovely. Yeah, so what's his record? Being the most freakishly tall. He's not the tallest, but he is the most freaky. Yeah, that's right. Other people, you understand why they're that tall. This is a freaking nature.

It makes no sense. All of his family, four foot. How are you at all? Huge. It doesn't make any sense. It defies science. It's freakish. That's what it is.

Sorry, Dan. Good on you, Dan. You freak. Hey, congratulations, Dan on the world record. Yeah, good for you. A little superstar. Can I thank some people too? Yes, please.

Hooray! I would love to thank from Hamilton in New South Wales here in Australia. Chloe Warren. Oh, Chloe Warren. Chloe Warren. Where is Chloe from? Hamilton. Hamilton.

That's very Aussie patron section. So far, yeah. Chloe Warren. You know, you think Warren, you think rabbits. Ray Rabbits Warren, one of the great rugby league commentators. Oh my God. Do you think rabs? I never heard of that person.

Fittler. You heard of this rugby league. This is rugby league. Of course not. It just got more and more obscure. One of the great rugby league commentators. Friends. He's actually, he would do pretty well on the fast talking, I think.

I want to say, all right, I'm going to blank my mind and say the first thing that comes to it. I'll lead it in for you. Ready? You blink your mind. Chloe Warren won the Guinness World Record for 73 trees. Wow, eaten in... Planted in under 10 minutes. Wow, that's pretty amazing.

Most trees planted in 10 minutes, 73. 73 trees. Wow. It's a little forest. Did she have to dig the holes? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, she's that good.

That's really good. And we're talking fully formed trees, right? Fully formed trees. Like 20 meter tall. Yeah, yeah. Gums. She's like carrying them in, chucking them in their hole, onto the next hole. Wow.

Well, darn. I know. That is more impressive than I even realized, Chloe. Yeah. An amazing effort. Chloe Warren. Thank you, Chloe. And I would also like to thank from London.

where we're going to be so soon. So soon. So soon. We should book flights. There were tickets still available when we started this episode. That was an hour and a half ago. So who knows? Who knows?

Come to the matinee show. Different show to the other ones. If you want to do the double, some people are doing that. My favourite is when people say, are you doing, is it the same show? And it's like, God, that would be so boring for us. Yeah, I don't know. I'd rather do more work and have a different show every time. I think there are a podcast that two are that do the same show.

Definitely. Sure. And I guess that's fine. But how do you make comedy? I'm guessing they're not comedy podcasts. I've heard my dad wrote a porn I do the same show. I don't know. And I also,

because their show is someone reading something and people reacting to it in a similar style. So how do you react authentically, differently five times? I don't understand. That's where acting comes in. Oh, see, that's what we don't do here. Actually, I'm not 100% sure.

I've just heard someone say that. But it's like, I don't know. Stand-up. Stand-up's often relatively similar night tonight. Yeah, that's stand-up. But yeah, it does feel weird to do the same podcast

podcast with conversation we will be doing different shows just let you know I've just thought of this idea fuck actually let's just write it out

we'll write one good show one really good one we'll script it and then we'll just release that for nine weeks in a row oh then we just go we go to London and we press play

but we'll sit on stage maybe miming I might just be on my phone scrolling for it that's all right might have a nap You know I love a nap. But from London, I would love to thank Ian Landman.

With the power of land. Oh, what a great superhero. Landman. Landman. Thank you, Ian. Dave, what do you reckon? World's hottest superhero. Okay, Landman.

Move over, Clark Kent. I'm going to say Clark Kent comes to mind with hotness and superheroes. Four, Captain America. Hulk. Hulk so hot. Why you're not saying the hottest of the hot? I know, I'm just saying... I fucking love Hawkeye.

Hawkeye. Hawkeye's great. She's arrows? Hawkeye's underrated. He's a man. He's no land man, though. Come on. He's no land man. Is land man part man part land?

Yes. All top half is man. Bottom half is just a little country. He's just standing in a pot plant. He sounds kind of like Earth from Captain Planet. It's an earth ring guy. Kwami. Kwami.

Yeah. Earth. Planet. Don't start it. No. So that's it. Thank you, Landman. Landman.

Landman. What a superhero. Dave, bring us home. I would like to thank from Sydney now in New South Wales. Hannah Hitchcock. Hannah Hitchcock. That rolls off the tongue. Your parents did well.

Yeah, I love that. Hannah Hitchcock. I love that. You could be a crime writer. You could be a comedian. You could be a musician. Crime writer is good. Hannah Hitchcock.

Have you read the latest Hitchcock? Yeah. Hannah Hitchcock. Hannah Hitchcock. Hannah Hitchcock. And she has the record for... Most goldfish. Most goldfish.

In a bowl? Yeah. Are they alive? Yeah, but it's a really, really big bowl. Oh. Like really big. Like a tank. Yeah, but it's still bowl shape. Okay.

So the record's really for biggest bowl. No, I mean... How many goldfish you got? 2,000. Whoa! That is a big bowl. One bowl. Cream on the cake.

What? is that there's a lot of goldfish in it. But basically, her record is for biggest bar. Yeah, yeah. Cream on the cake. Cream on the... icing on the cake. icing on the cake.

Creme on the... Put. Yeah, you got put some cream on your put. You got to go to put. Thank you, Hannah. Thank you so much. Hannah Hitchcock. One of the grades.

Oh. And bringing it home. From Indianapolis. Indiana. I'm wearing my Gary Indiana t-shirt. You are. Thank you for showing it to me as if I... That was given to me by...

Camille. Camille. So good. Thank you, Dave. I blanked there for a second. Who is now studying acting full-time in Bristol. Really? I'm hoping we're going to see him at our live show.

Yeah, that's cool. I hope he's already got a ticket because it is sold out. Yeah. He's a, if not, send me a message, Camille. And we'll give you directions to leads where there are still tickets available. I think it's the Bristol Old Vic Theatre, which is a very very, prestigious theatre that a lot of very famous actors have trained at. And he was one of a few people that got into this years.

William McKinness. Oh, like. Lisa McKeown. Yeah, yeah, yes. They go out that played PJ. Ray Martin, when he's acting. He was never a realtor. He was never an actor.

That's how good he is. Whoa. That was a character the whole time. Yeah. His name's not Ray Martin. What kind of names? I was once at the Darwin Airport. Was I with you?

Yes. I spotted him. You spotted him. We were at the Darwin airport and Ray Martin was there. What was he doing? He was just, he was about to fly somewhere. We assume he was there to see us at Roadshow. That's the only possible explanation.

That was all that was happening in Darwin that night. Everyone starts their sense with, great to be here. Ray, how are you? No response. He's in the booth. He's in that royal booth. Dave, finally.

From Indianapolis. Indiana, I would like to thank Kevin McNulty. Kevin. Kevin. Kevin McNulty. For a while there, Adam Knox had a joke where he would talk about just coming in for the Christmas holidays. And then he just paused on stage and go, Kevin!

And it was incredibly funny. That is really good. Very good. Adam Knox, very funny man. Very funny man. Kevin McNulty. All right. Whose turn is this?

Probably mine. All right. What are you got? Blank your mind. Come on, Matt, style. All right. I'll say, do I have how much of it? I'll give you a bit of a lead-in.

I think I'm good. Okay, great. Well, you're going to give a sum of a leading. Yeah, give you a lead in. I said, I'm... I said, I'm good. I thought you meant you were going to pad for a bit. No, no, I was going to do.

All right, give me a lead in. Matt just went silent and then yelled Kevin. Kevin! World record for the biggest... Bowl of cereal consume. Whoa! Good record! That is a good record.

Nalti. Dave just shuckered. Yeah, he didn't shuckered. Were you also picturing nutrigran? Yeah, I appreciate good work on it here. I can't do the... When I was a kid, for a while they had a promotion

if you bought the big box of Nutrigan, you get this huge bowl and it had different lines on it, like normal man, pretty good man, huge man, iron man. So it was like a real smart gimmick because it made, like it sort of peer pressured you

into pouring a huge bowl of NutraGrain, which is this brown sugar basically shaped into Lego. Yum. And then you... It's so good. And then, yeah, so you'd eat the packet in two bowls.

And they'd be like, you fucking idiot. We gave you this shitty plastic bowl, and it's meant that you've just upped your intake by three times. Anyway, that's... But Kevin did that. He upped his intake by 12 times. Yeah. Yeah.

Interestingly enough, he actually used Hannah Hitchcock's bowl. Goldfish ball. Oh, no. Are the goldfish all dead, 2,000 of them? Yeah. He ate 2,000 goldfish. Well, no, because you've got to wash the goldfish bowl once a week. You need two bowls.

So she, when she was changing the water, she had them in a big jug. He came and just started filling in, filling up with milk. Okay, well, at least no goldfish were harmed. Thank goodness. Not until they went back in. Sure. And it was milk residue. Yeah.

And now we're lactose intolerant. Thank you to all our world record. They shat himself. death, much like Kevin McNulty did after eating that much new drink. If you're going to shoot yourself to death, remember to lift the lid.

Be polite for those who have to find you. Oh, you don't want to find someone with the lid still closed. Oh God. No good. Oh, all right. Thank you to our world record holders. James, Dan, Chloe, Ian, Hannah,

Kevin. You are the world record holder for some of our favorite people in the world. So good. Thanks so much for all your support. You're legends. That pretty much brings us to the end of the episode. It absolutely does.

Things we can tell people is we've got t-shirts. Jess has just got a bunch of new t-shirts in, and you can find them on our website. Like everything else, do go onpod.com. And Jess sent out a lovely little note with these. I do. A lovely one. Lovely little note.

Except one in ten, I write an abusive one. Roll the dice. It'll be fun. And you can also find out all about those tour dates on there as well in the UK, Dublin and Perth. Please come along and be great to see you at those places. All the information is on there, basically. Primates out tomorrow is about the Marvel character Beast, famously played by Fraser Crane.

Oh, of course. The big blue, hairy mutant man. Who's a bit of a genius? Oh, just a bit of one. Yeah. Okay. You know, for a mutant. Sure.

I think, anyway. I think that would make you smarter. It does. Oh, okay. Yeah, it does. World record holder for biggest brain, Dr. Frazier Crane. Wow. And, yeah, we'll be back next week with our third block topic.

Block, block, block. No. Even hotter than this week's block. Blopick? Blopick. Blopick. Plopick. Sounds like Bob Shadow Cell.

And you know what? We may even have a guest coming up soon. Yeah, it's pretty exciting. Who? We haven't booked them. No, we have. We have. We have. If you go to patreon.com slash do you go on pod and then you can hang out in there, but also the Facebook group, which is a lot of fun and where all of the block ideas came from, basically. Yep.

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I don't know what it is. Short videos. We're too old for TikTok. Yeah. We should get a kid. Any kids out there want to run out? We should get a kid. All right.

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