Two In The Think Tank - 207 - The Golden State Killer

Episode Date: October 9, 2019

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as always with Matt Stewart and Jess Perkins. Always. Nearly always. I'm always here. You two haven't always been here. I was referring to you as always Matt. I am always here. And the sometimes Jess Perkins, our guest host. I pop in if and when I feel like. Some of our most popular episodes have been when you've guessed hosted. Thank you. Some. I've always thought you were obsessed. What a pleasure to be guessing once again. You probably got two on the top 10 that you've been on.

Two reckon. All right. Yeah, I think it has to be more than that. Yeah. You missed two. Yes, I know that, two or three maybe. I reckon you've probably had 10 of the top two. Stop it.

Yeah, I've copped that guest host. Yeah, sorry. We're not playing favorites. It's great to be back in the studio once again with you guys for our second episode of blockbuster Tofer Grace Month, which is where we do out for the second year now, our most requested topics. Yes. It's great because then it sort of puts a lot of the blame

back onto the people. Yeah, it's basically you wanted this. If you don't like anything this month, that's on you. Yeah, we didn't want to do this, Tom. And that feels great to us. So what are you doing for block? Blaming the listener. Yeah.

Yeah. But one that goes well, for example, last week, I was a bit trepidacious if I can use that word I don't think you can I was a little bit innocent I was last week. I was a little bit trepidacious I was a little bit cautious going to last week's episode the first one of block which is our fifth most requested topic Dungeons and dragons I did because none of us had ever played it I was worried that when you talk about something that people are so obsessed with and it's got such a big, you know, cultural touchstone for many people,

I was worried that people would be annoyed that I didn't explain it properly. But everyone, thank you so much, has been so lovely about it. Yeah, I've been super enthusiastic, which is so nice. So yeah, they got behind us. I got a couple of things wrong for the most part. You're only human, Dave. Thank you. Well, actually, I'm one-eighth wizard now. Okay, but do you? wizard now. Okay. One eight. Yeah that's right. Seven eighths human. So I can't do

cool tricks but I can do stuff like lift the toilet seat. Yeah don't with my hand. Okay. Right okay. What were you doing before? Almost men forget and they just shit on the lid. But the one eighth wizard in me really. That's not that's not even the thing the problem is putting it down. Are you saying that that's nothing to do with my magical ability? This is... Maybe I'm one sixteenth. You're just shitting off toilet lids. Okay. Well, most men are. No.

No. Do not do that, Matt. No, that's not what I was. You're one eight wizard and also one sixteenth Swiss Italian. That's true. That is true. I've got a look going on. Yeah.

I've always found that one strange, the stereotype is men don't put the seat down. Oh, of course. But it doesn't like, I don't really understand why that's an issue. The lid down, the lid should always go down, seal it in. Oh, I'm 100% with you. I don't know what anything splashing in a room where my toothbrush is kept. I learned that off Oprah. Winfrey, she said that once when I was a kid.

Okay. I was at home, maybe six from school. And Oprah Winfrey had some toilet hygiene expert on and said, got to put the lid down. Otherwise when you flush it just explodes particles all over everything, including your toothbrush. And what you like, that's why I'm home from school sick. Yeah.

I haven't been putting the lid down. Thank you, Oprah. Thank you, Oprah. Well, I'm in. Yeah, everyone's had a thank you Oprah moment. Obviously, you know? You get a particle. You, thank you. Everyone's had a thank you open moment. Obviously. You know? You get a particle.

You get a particle. I'm talking about toothbrush. Everybody gets a poo particle. Check under your seat. Pooh particle. Oh, gosh. She gets it. You just look at my seat and this is shit on the seat.

We've got to lift it again. But if you haven't joined us before, welcome to the do-on-show. And I say most requested topics. What we do here is we take it in turns to report on a topic nearly always suggested by at least one of our listeners, and these frequently suggested topics this week. And it is just as turned to report on a topic that I believe,

Matt, no, I don't know what it's going to be. No, but I do know the, I knew the 50 in the short list. Right. So I'm, I've got a better chance. I've got. Can I use that knowledge to bit defeat Dave? Yeah. What, last while you let Jess have a go first, and then the credit of it when she instantly

got done, Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah. Let me, what was your question? Because I did get it. And that's rare for me, because I'm an idiot. I think it was the world's best selling and no the what said tabletop game or the world's first Mass-marketed Tabletop role-playing fantasy game. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, I was a good get could have been one of many options Yeah, it could have been so many things, but I was like oh I, I reckon I know. Well, let's see what the question is this week. The question is, which moniker was given

to... Gellar. I'm fucking knew it! Can Lewinsk went. Monica with a Kea. Oh, okay. Sellers. Was given to combine the original Nightstalkalker and the Diamond Knot Killer. I'm afraid I start, I don't know, because the Matic is going to have that one more time. Which Monika was given to combine the original Night Stalker and the Diamond Knot Killer. Combine. Yeah. This is a superhero or a super villain. Super villain, I would say. Oh, okay. Fictional or real

Sadly, very much real real super villain sure Is this some sort of serial killer? Yeah What was what were the two things again one last time original night stalker? Yeah, and diamond not killer Good diamond not killer. Yeah, what had he spell not KNOT Diamond not killer. I mean that's, what, how do you spell not? K-N-O-T. Diamond not. Not a killer.

Not killer. Technicality. Think California. California, sorry. That was not a patron answer. I've got a guess here Dave. Come on, I'm about to say it. Go for it.

You having a guess? No. B-T. No, we've already had that. Golden State Killer. Golden State Killer it is had that. Golden State Killer. Golden State Killer it is! California. Golden State. California.

Wow. Yeah. Turns out he had such a prolific career that he was known by heaps of other names before they realized it was all one person. Oh my God. Yep. That's what. And I just want to say like we said at the beginning, you wanted this and this has actually

been suggested, obviously one of our most highly, most frequently suggested topics. Yes. It's just about about 13 different people. Wow. I'm lucky 13. Shall I read you some of their names? Please, let's hear some of the sickos that requested. I like the idea of some of them.

They're gonna leave some. No, good point. All of them. I don't know who the first nine. Okay. Dane Lager, our friend, Sigibor. Offer my sign. Lewis Gemel.

Great names. Connor Jameson. Okay. We have some of the most complicated names. And he bought an author. James. Connor, uh, Jameson? We are the most complicated names. Any foreigner? No, because Smith, am I saying that right? Is that a funny? Connor added a note, says, I've just before and Matt always pronounces it like, jamming sin, but it's Jameson. So that's what I say. Jamming. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Connor, anyway, I'm never.

Connor definitely knows who he is. So I love that I'm laughing about how easy that name is to pronounce and there's literally a note saying, Matt fucked it. Yeah, somehow. I'll never say Jamison. Maybe like Jamison, rather than Jamison.

Oh, yeah, I would have said Jamison. Yeah, anyway. That's what it is. It's also being suggested by Corey, no last name, Andrew Cox, who's saying, Medi, Jessica Luzoya, who helpfully put in the pronunciation as well, Betsy Nicholtelli and Stephen Bedwell. Have all suggested Steve. Steve Bedwell. Wow, he's a, if it is Steve Bedwell.

Well, 1990s comic. Yeah, well, I think he still exists. But he was, he's a, if it is Steve Bedwell. Well, 1990's comic. Yeah, well, I think he still exists. But he was, he was, he was, he was hosted triple and breakfast in the 90's. The highest rating breakfast show on radio. Surely great to have him suggesting. Thank you, Steve. And he's a saint supporter.

Okay, well, there we go. That's how you really know him. Yeah. Yeah, this categorical memory of anybody else who supports the saints. That's nice. Um, okay, so, go on state killer. Well, it all began. The 19th of March, 1974, when $50 of coins was stolen from a piggy bank, that's pretty harmless.

A gateway crime. Whoa, that, and that was the diamond nut. No. Oh, that, and that was the, the diamond knot. No. Oh, okay. This was believed to be the first strike for the Vesalia ransacker. Vesalia is a city in California, about 230 miles or 370 Ks southeast of San Francisco. And most of the ransackers activities involved breaking into houses, rifling through or vandalizing people's possessions, scattering women's underwear around, and stealing a range of low value items, often ignoring bank

notes. So like ignore money. And you imagine that the piggy bank was smashed and the coins were taken out rather than they just put it under their arm and walked out with it, making a lot less noise. Probably smashed, but I don't have the police report. Hard to know. That's, yeah, that's strange that they're going for the low value items.

I guess that's sort of, you know, things you learn in crime as you go along. Maybe take the higher values. Yeah, take the, take the, when you're in, obviously, you don't realize that $50 is worth more than $1. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you see a stack of cash all bundled up. Take the... When you're in obviously, you don't realize that $50 is worth more than $1. Yeah, yeah.

So you see a stack of cash all bundled up. And you're like, if they're bundled that correctly, that's easily 20 grand. I'm going to take the piggy bank. I'm going to take the shiny ones. Yeah. I mean, they're made of gold. Yeah, I'm not an idiot. So he'd often ransack multiple houses in a day, including on the 30th of November in 1974,

when he ransacked a total of 12 houses. That's a big day of ransacking. That's a huge day. God, imagine the sleep you'd have after. You'd be pooped. I'm not how loud the sack that's filled with coins would be. Yeah. Yeah. On the south end of the house. The second is, you gotta have a sack.

Of course, you gotta ransack with a sack. Anytime I've got one of those little plastic containers of chewy in my bag, it's so noisy, or one of those tins, like the tins of mince. Oh, a tin mince. Yes. Ah, a clips mince, so noisy that I usually just take them out of my bag, because they make so much noise.

Imagine carrying around all this stuff. It's got 600 dollars in janglin. Janglin and janglin. Oh, those mince, I'm assuming is stealing, because the tin looks fancy So you could just robbed the first house and taking the money and had more money So far, I think the robber the ransacker is one of those birds Maybe a bowel bird. Yeah, these things that are shiny and pretty right take some away

Yeah, to make a nest and attract a mate. Yeah, oh Is he just alone a little bird? Is he taking a lot of blue things? Yeah, it's a magpie. Um, uh, the most common MOs of the burglaries included. Scaling fences and moving through established routes such as like parks, walkways, ditches. It was usually in places that had- Titches.

Had that nearby. Oh yeah, go through a ditch. Yeah, yeah. Established routes through the ditch. Just go around the ditch mate. No, no, establish routes through the ditch. Just go around the ditch, mate. No, no, no. Well, that guy doesn't look suspicious. He's walking 600 meters through a ditch.

I'm picturing, like, literally walking down a bank. So he's sort of like, horizontal. Yeah. The cartoon character. Yeah, it's a cartoon. Attempting to pry open multiple points of entry, particularly Windows, leaving multiple points of escape open. So especially leave Windows, Garages, Garden Doors,

leaving one. So they didn't know which thing to... Or if somebody comes home, he's got multiple routes out. Right, when he's inside. When he's in, yeah. Removing window screens from like bedroom windows and stuff like that. At least as he does not break it because that'll be annoying.

You've got to get your flash screen when you're done. Yeah, and obviously you don't have your loose change, you know, anymore to pay for. Yeah, and he can't afford these things. Yeah. You do have those bundles of $100 bills, but he wants to break those. Yeah. That do have those bundles of $100 bills. But who wants to break those? That's my long term saving. The coins, that was my rainy days. If you know, you

got to have different buckets. Yeah. It's what the barefoot investor teaches us. Or apparently we'd also place warning items around such as like dishes or bottles against doors and on door handles so that again if somebody came home or if there was movement he'd know. Alright, he would make a noise. I once did that in my childhood bedroom when I was about seven. I had a bucket full of marbles and I tied it to... I didn't know. Yeah, the bucket handle was tied to the door and then there was a bookshelf right next to the door

so the marbles were put on top of that. My mum opened the door and they went everywhere. She nearly died. She slipped on him. No, she was just so terrified. Open the door and smash, smash, smash, look, you know, it was probably like, you know, I had 200 marbles or something insane. You were a little Kevin. Yeah. I was like, don't come in my room, mum. I'm the wet bandit. Was that why you, why did you do it? The safety. Yeah, the safety. Oh, how old were you?

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and carefully replaced it. Oh my God, she's good. Of course the giant ball just chased her out. And she ran away. She said, Dinn is ready, David. And she learned to listen to that, don't you? She still hasn't been in a Dave's room since.

She'll come back. She hasn't come home. Miss her every day. So the round second I was described as young Caucasian and male around 5'10 and... How tall are you Dave? 5'8 so... There's about 178cm in weight, it's slightly taller than Dave. Oh actually I'm probably 5'6. Yeah, I'm about 170. Yeah, same. And about 180 to 200 pounds, so 80 to 90ish kilos. Definitely not me. That's twice you. I was wearing a platform shoes and the Santa suit that I used to wear. Yes. Oh, with padding. Well, I dressed up as Santa. God, you would have been such a sad Santa.

Oh, man, it was terrible. Things are not looking good. Santa, sack. Oh. Ran sack. Oh. It's Santa. Santa.

Oh my God, we cracked it. Wow, all right, well, I guess that's it. We finally solved this unsolved case. Thank you for joining us. It's a coming in. So people obviously getting glimpses of him then. Yeah, because he's hitting a lot of places. Right. And then people are seeing him in the ditch.

Yeah, walking through a ditch like that does seem odd. Why is he carrying a sack in the ditch? Um, it's physically fit, able to run and bicycle and scale garden fences. Certainly not me. No. And with relative ease. So yeah, definitely not you. And you also, I'm so upset to say, you also appear to be left handed.

Oh. Sinister. Yeah, that's right. So. Not ambies in the stardot, no. No. Evil handed. Yeah, he's evil handed.

Yeah, the evil gene and the evil hand. After a spree of about 18 months, and again, hitting places quite frequently and never getting caught, the ransackers' crimes took a darker turn on September 11th, 1975. 45-year-old journalist Claude Snelling woke up at about 2am to strange noises in the house.

He got out of bed to investigate and found an intruder wearing a ski mask, attempting to kidnap his 16-year-old daughter. Oh God. Shouting and running towards the intruder, Claude was shot twice and the assailant fled the scene. His daughter Beth was safe, but Claude later died from his injuries. Oh, geez. But earlier that year, Claude had chased a prowler away from the house after discovering him near his daughter's bedroom window. So police then set up steakouts at other houses that had been targeted previously by proulers, hoping to capture the assailant thinking he's coming back to places he's already

been. Yeah, it's good work. They were even offering a $4,000 reward to catch this person. Like they were pretty desperate and not having a lot of clues. And they came very close once, a couple months after Claude Snellings murder in December of 1975, a masked man entered the backyard of a house near where the ransacker had been reported to frequent. And Detective William McGowan was already on stakeout inside the garage of the house.

So luckily, he was in the house at the Ransaker Appears at, and he fired a warning shot at the assailant as he came into the garage, and the Ransaker surrendered. He was like, yep, all right, you got me, who was spooked by the shot. Okay.

But somehow managed to jump offence. Oh. What? Pulled out a revolver firing once, Nima Goen's face and shattering his flashlight. So nearby offices rushed to the aid of this detective McGowan and the shooter was able to escape. And after the incident, the ransacker pretty much went quiet, leading police to believe that he had left Vesalia, he'd left the area. So they had him. But But like what a cool idea of like we'll just

stake out houses that he's that have had prowlers near around. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But then you get him and then he he gets away. He's how the leap from him surrendering to then jumping off fence. Yeah, I don't know. That's actually me out of an action movie. Yeah. You know, suddenly they've got a gun and then he does a summer sold over the fence. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess he got lucky and they got very unlucky. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you just sort of must have gone for it. He could have got shot, but yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So he, those, I mean, and then to escape as well when there's cops all around the area. All around.

And they've come to the aid of their colleague, obviously, who's been shot at but was okay. Yeah. But he's gone. Yeah, they know where he is. You think they're vagary, but yeah. Yeah. And so he disappears from Viselia. It doesn't really attack anymore.

By the middle of the following year of June 1976, it seemed that the ransacker had moved to Sacramento. Oh, that makes sense. Sacramento, ransack. Sac just feels like a better fit. Yeah. He also loves Mentos, so it just makes hands. But he wasn't just ransacking and burgling now. He'd progressed to much more serious and sinister crimes and had a new nickname too.

His initial MO was to stalk middle class neighborhoods at night in search of women who were alone in one story homes, usually near a school or a creek or trail or other open space that would provide a quick escape. Right, so you could run through the school. Yeah, well, I mean, like, because I mean, schools take up like a lot of space.

So I suppose you could escape through multiple points, parks, anything like that. And you'd often sort of escape through backyards, like you just jump fences, jump fences, and then all of a sudden you three blocks over and going in a different direction. So they don't know where you are. And at this point, they didn't realize it was the same, right? They don't realize for decades. Right. Oh.

Yeah. So this is just a quick sort of recap from Wikipedia. Most victims had seen or heard a prailer on their property before the attacks and many had experienced break-ins. Police believed that the offender would conduct extensive reconnaissance in a targeted neighborhood, looking into windows and prowling in yards before selecting a home to attack.

It's believed he sometimes entered the home of future victims to unlock windows, unload guns, and plant ligatures for the later use. So he'd break in and plant stuff there for when he attacks. Like weapons and things. Yeah. And league it just so like to tie them up. It's fucked. It's like, that's like,

I'll put you chances of getting busted rather than just bringing a backpack or a sack. You're right. You're right. You come and I don't remember, I'm looking like, when don't I remember putting that gun on the desk? What's that fresh pack of shoelaces doing over there?

Hmm. Huh, huh. Ah well. Oh. It's the 70s. Yeah. We're always breaking shoelaces. Well, I would need a few extras.

Apparently, he also frequently telephoned future victims, sometimes for months in advance to learn their daily routines. So you did a little research. Initially, targeted women who were alone, but the man now referred to as the East Area rapist soon began targeting couples as well. So now it's got a new nickname which is super fun. So his MO was to break in through a window or a sliding glass door and awaken the sleeping occupants with a flashlight. Threatening them with a handgun, he'd usually separate the couple,

stacking dishes on the man's back and threatening to kill everyone in the house if he heard them rattle. So he'd tie them up and then like separate them, put, yeah, stack of plates or cups or whatever he could find on top of the man so that if he moved, he'd know and then he'd kill everyone. Right, I am not good at lying still. Right. Very good. Very good. Especially, I would imagine you'd be quite stressed for that time.

A lot of adrenaline. Yeah, yeah. I find, like, even in the cinema, I can't stand the same position for more than five minutes. In the cinema. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And there's a lot of adrenaline in a cinema.

Oh, I mean, yeah, for sure, especially when you're watching films I like the rock con air die-hard and watching you're watching those in cinemas yeah absolutely okay do you have a cinema in your house oh yes okay and we've not been invited over oh no okay never come I have a little popcorn machine that'd be fun yeah I come machine yeah I do they have got a popcorn wing, have you seen it? Yeah, sorry. Damn it. Got a popcorn pop-up. Ah, just for popcorn. Yes.

Yeah, there's a whole popcorn farm there. I mean, obviously it's corn at the start. But, you know, as the process goes on. Wow. My man's wealth comes from popcorn. I'm a popcorn no-go. Good for you, Dave. Thank you.

And also, why the fuck did I have to get my own popcorn maker When you live not that far from me and apparently also manufacture popcorn maker So you really helped my And well well jokes on you. I didn't buy a friend sent it to me Damn it she bought it Damn it she bought it fuck fuck Yeah, so on some of it plates on some occasions he spent hours in the house Like you kind of think that it would be like an in-an-out attack kind of thing. Yeah, God

But he would just like hang out he'd go through their drawers and their wall droves It looks through their fridge heat their food drink their beer What what it's so weird. Apparently a couple of times his victims would think that he'd left because it's like, oh it's been really quiet for a while, he's gone. But then he just appear again. Oh. So they're playing to start rattling. You need to see how that's still here.

I'm sorry, sorry. It's got a bit of horror film about it. It totally does. He just starts smelling and he's put a turkey roast on. Oh, no. Oh god. This thing's like like two hours to cool It comes back. I'm gonna need I'm gonna need one of those plates. He's having friends over. Where's your gravy boat? You guys got garlic who doesn't have garlic? What the fuck? Where are the condiments? Do you not shop? Oh, mustard, not in the fridge.

What is wrong with you? Oh my god. Not even this. This sparse rack is inadequate. He's just breaking into a make of a dinner. You've stalked the house. You've come in the like three or four times. Don't you know what we've got?

Yeah, surely. With a backpack, with all of the things. So one day they come and they're like, I don't remember buying that gun. I don't remember buying that paprika, I don't know. What is paprika? It's the 70s. He's sacked this, this, this, that's when we knew we had a killer on our hands.

Ahaha. A killer ship. Yeah, so they'd think he's gone. He'd come back just sort of like he was cycling them out. And again, he would ignore money, but still small personal items of no real value. Things like cufflinks and jewelry. And I mean, jewelry probably has a bit of value, but you know what I mean? Like you could take cash and he'd take, no, I'm taking your wedding. I'm like, keep safe. I was a more like keep-sakey type of weird collection. Yeah, very gross.

Yeah, very gross. He does not sound quite right this go. No, I think Matt, I think that is an excellent instinct you're having there. I'm probably a very good observation. I'm not quite right. I don't like him much at all. No, no.

In fact, I quite dislike him. Oh, wow. He's a great chef though. I'm just picturing a punch in him in the head real good. Yeah. With paprika. Oh, no. With cinnamon sticks and a little bag. So we're slapping him around a bit. It was a little cinnamon stick bag. You like that? Yeah. Why do you, why do you stuff him like a turkey? Yeah. Yeah. Put a full orange up in. I'll pass him and sticks up the chuff. No one likes that. No one likes cinnamon up the chuff.

So then he would like creep away, leaving the victims again, uncertain if he'd left. Oh, that's terrifying. But also, I guess in a way that kind of means they can't pinpoint the time that he left. Also, any kind of run and call the police straight away because you're like waiting for turning the house. Exactly. So that gives him plenty of time to get far away and also they'll have no idea when he Also, any kind of run and call the police straight away because you're like waiting for like ten minutes. No, obviously not. Exactly. So that gives him plenty of time to get far away and also they'll have no idea when he left and how far he could have gone.

Maybe, maybe that's part of the thinking, I don't know. But I mean, you probably wouldn't say goodbye, would you, you know? All right, you know, bye. All right, two to Lou. All right, I've just tried the last dish. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Yeah, the dishwasher is on. So, the I've also put a little something and a slow cooker. For tomorrow. Maybe ready for tomorrow. That's the tomorrow's dinner. I'll be back round six. Keep that on low for eight hours and then if it needs a little more, just add a little bit more fluid, pop it on for another four. Okay. Okay. All right. Pairs very nicely with a pinon more.

Which I've left here for you as well, obviously. That's chilling. I put that in the fridge last week, so it should be very cold. A pito noir in the fridge. He is a serial killer. That's the first clue. So he operated in Sacramento County from the first attack in June of 1976 until May of 1977. So almost a full year.

But after a yearish of frequent attacks, he went quiet. So like quite a few attacks? Pretty frequent. God. After about three months, he struck in the nearby San Joaquin County in September before returning to Sacramento for all but one of the next ten attacks. So he's so prolific and they cannot catch him. It's not one or all in one and it's just in one area each time.

Pretty specific areas, yeah. It's, uh, and what I guess it's so, I'm assuming because he's, go goes away for three months, that's him just probably doing his day job or something. Yeah. Or getting distracted by, it's so wild to think of this guy as having a life. You're being a real person.

And it's also crazy to think that it is, if you're so prolific, if you're doing 10 attacks and you would have each of them are clearly very well researched. Yeah. So it's a stalk these people sometimes breaking to their head. Maybe that's what the three months is. Is it doing research for the next? You got so many like, well, they started to have a bit of a theory that like some of the areas Well, they started to have a bit of a theory that some of the areas had like those big housing estates being built, so lots of construction and stuff. And they kind of, they had a theory for a while that maybe he worked in construction

because that's what was taking him to those areas. But they still couldn't find anything solid in that. But that was something they thought for a little while. But it's just crazy, isn't it that like I mean they didn't have the DNA technology that they have now. Yes, right. It feels like this just I because I was researching this and then had to go To work overnight alone in a dark building and I was like I'm gonna die But then I was like now we have CCTV, you know and people know where I am harder to get away with. Yeah, like he can't walk into someone's house and have a beer. Yeah. And like have a sip and put it back with that. People were like, well, we've got your DNA. Exactly. And like even wearing gloves and stuff, he's left no DNA around

or maybe he has, but they have nothing to, they can't match it to anything. When did DNA get really come in? I don't, I don't even know. I thought I was thinking it was around by them, but not quite. I think maybe more like 80s, but I'm not 100% sure. Isn't that wild? And it's probably not, it's just gotten better and better, I think.

It did give me a little bit of solace so that I was like, I did just walk into this secure building, pass a security guard, who knows where I am. Yeah. So, and there's cameras everywhere. So it's probably fine. Like I don't even pick my nose at work just in case.

And you're live. You know. And you are live on air around the country. Totally. So somebody would probably notice if somebody it just went dead. Went dead, that's right. Yeah, you're right.

Oh god, that is encouraging. Alright. And so did the Jess. So did the hair. But, they'll be able to pinpoint when. And they'll know when to look at the security camera It's time between skigs and Yep, that's what I do. I thought of one you ban and I saw one great my days of

Anyway, skigs is a good reference. Yeah, and the chats. Yeah, the chats. I've seen the chats. There you go. You're cool. You're cool. You're red. Hey, I'm all right. Don't worry about me. Do you know why there are those bands? I don't know. Skigs. Okay. I think I'm about the chats. Coxie supported skigs on a national tour. Oh, I've seen photos of skigs. Then yes. I don't think the chats are they've they've they're doing a big tour. Maybe in America coming up or the UK. Yeah, that big sort of big song with Smoko. It's called Smoko.

Yeah, not for me. I'm on Smoko. So leave me alone. Yeah, it's not for me. What about pub feed? You into that? That's the other song. Yeah, what about identity theft?

You like the sound of that? What is? I mean, okay. I'm not gonna say music's James you're a boy It's really for low IQ people now isn't I'm on smoke. Oh, I'm having a pub feed cool. Oh Dave You just alienated yourself from our young listeners. Sorry everyone I'm not a G. Boy. Yeah, not hearing any of the music, but making assumptions. I saw them support the Cosmic Psychos at the Crocs' den, and then at the end of the

psychos set, they all came out and played a song together as like a super double group. It was sick. It was a real great fun show. It seemed like they were having a good time. Cosmic Psychos have a song called pub, and also another song called, Nice Day to Go to the pub. Ah, it's we've blasted loudly in the car on the UK. Okay, so now you're on board.

Oh, I'm on board with that. Okay, cool. Yeah, I was like, Oh, you were hard to read. Nice day to have some beetroot. Have some beetroot. I love beetroot. I love beetroot.

I love beetroot so much. Anyway, so he is attacking all over the place. He attacks five times during the summer of 1978 and other counties before disappearing again for another three months. And then attacks move primarily to Contra Costa County in October and lasted until July 1979. So many. Yeah, and after terrorizing Northern California

for several years, the attacks then started happening in Southern California, primarily in Santa Barbara. And with new territory and new police jurisdiction came a new name, original Night Stalker. They original was in the name. No, they called him Night Stalker, and then there was another guy in the 80s called Night Stalker, so then there was another guy in the 80s called Night Stalker,

so then they changed this one to original night. So are people like Cyril Kiel's copywriting their names? I mean, I don't think, I mean, this guy didn't give himself any of these names. It just seems like, oh, we can't call the Night Stalker's taken. The original, that's what happens with bands. We can't think of a new band. Yeah, when bands like, oh, there's already a band in America

called Night Stalker. All right, we're original Night Stalker when we tour America what about nocturnal stalker you know there's a lot yeah give it to me else at a night daytime stalker how to take in this long to get the name what do you mean the the original Night Stalker because there's been so many attacks sure no but this is in a new area. What about Elf's happening in Southern California in Santa Barbara. Right. Because remember that the police aren't talking to each other. Yes.

So now all of a sudden there's just a new set of attacks happening. And only... And this is a little spoiler, but only years and years and years later they figure out the same person. Oh, I held. So they're just like, oh, oh these attacks have suddenly started happening. I was like no this guy's been pretty pretty and then when they go away They go oh thank god Oh, pretty much and then like yeah Yeah, that's a good good. Oh, he must have died. Thank God. They genuinely think that at some point

So he first struck in Santa Barbara in October of 1979 and now the attacks are taken in even darker turn. So it was the first of October and intruder broke in and tied up a couple in Galetta in Santa Barbara. When the intruder left the room, the woman screamed, raising the alarm to their nearby neighbors and causing the intruder to flee. And their neighbor, conveniently, was an FBI agent who pursued the perpetrator who fled on foot through local backyards, like I was saying before, just like jumping

fences. Sounds like an athlete. Yeah. And they've got a lot of theories, and I'll talk it in a sec about sort of the profile they build about him, what they think. But this FBI guy didn't have any luck catching him. Didn't catch him. But how you would feel pretty secure living next to a cop or something, unless you love drugs. Right, then you could put him in secure. Yeah, so, you know. And if you got a meth, I'll bet the back. Yeah, or you just smoke a lot of weed, you know.

Everyone knows that smells. With a new neighbor who moves in and they're like, yeah, I work for the FBI, you're like, oh, really? So yeah, anything in particular. Yeah, I am I'm on a drug squad Come on It's an explosion The kettle

You back your health would fight don't worry about that. I don't know that I need a burn it so for at least a couple of hours to burn all the evidence I mean I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I got over here. I got a burn all those weebs. It's back burning, back burning in the suburbs. Yeah. You know, I got to look after the back burning.

Ever. Anyway, everyone in the neighborhood's getting a sweet buzz. Yeah. Although they just, they're bad guys. Here's the toilet being flushed all night. Are they flushing drugs? Yeah, they're flushing drugs. And then the next day it's like, I just had a bad...

Really bad time, okay. Yeah, oh, I'd got gastro. I think God, I remember to lift this thing at this time. I feel the last time. The last time it was horrific. And then they copped walks in there and there's just a pile of powder on the toilet seat. Yeah. I've been flushing around.

And uh... It's still there. It's just a block of drugs. So yeah, the FBI agent tried to chase him but didn't catch him. But this couple that were first attacked were lucky to survive. And they were an anomaly in a string of Southern California attacks. What followed was at least five more fatal attacks over the next two years. So killed five people? No, more than that. Just a couple in a sit in a go.

So. Did, was he still wearing a mask? Yeah, he was masked and it was still sort of like this same kind of surveillance and then breaking in, separating the couple. It was still that kind of thing. So once they connected them, they're like, oh, we should have talked to each other. Yeah, oh, that made sense. So weird. You had that. We had something incredibly similar just

before you. So the two that survived Soren, but he was in a mask. Yeah. Yeah. But they had like a through lots of different, through a bunch of different attacks, they had an idea of kind of what it looked like. Like, height, weight, blue eyes, they had that. So he's wearing like a balaclavra, I would assume. Blue eyes, that's a minority, I think, of eyes. So that narrow is it down a little bit. I think brown's more common.

Because special little stuff. Especially when you take, well that's probably if you take the worldwide population into it. Yeah, that doesn't make sense, yeah. And I do. People like what? Clearly it wasn't less likely that it was someone from Asia. Okay, we can rule that over there, even though we went investigating over there. Because it's a matter of, let's rule it out.

Different part of the world. And sometimes it's good to make a list, just say chicken chicken. Yeah, it does feel better. It doesn't. Yeah, it does. chicken chicken. Yeah, it does feel better. Yeah, it does. So on December 30, 1979, 44 year old Robert Opperman and 35 year old Deborah Alexandra Manning were found shot dead at Offerman's condo in Galetta. Um, and on March 13, 33 year old Charlene Smith and 43 year old Lyman Smith were found murdered in their Ventura home.

So these are all pretty close areas. Right. So there's like December then March of 1980. The unusual Chinese knot, a diamond knot, was used on Charlene's wrists. The same knot was noted in the Sacramento East area rapist attacks and the murder was therefore briefly given the name diamond knot killer. They're not that creative really are they but no that's a cool sounding name but also aren't you basically advertising if that's in the media or whatever then he

hears they ever I won't use that. Yeah. I don't want them to associate me. He's more like damn right. I'm a diamond. Yeah. And that's usually more the case. I won't use that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nowed 24-year-old Keith Eli Harrington, 27-year-old Patrice Harrington were found bludgeon to death in their home. Although there was evidence that the Harrington's

wrists and ankles were bound, no ligaches or murder weapons were found at the scene. So it's like you'd taken it all with them as well. What are ligaches again? Like stuff to tie your wrists and so it could be shoelaces. I I don't ever. I was listening to an audio book about it and I was like, oh, ligatures. Oh, ligatures. And then in February of 81, 28 year old, Manuela Withun was raped and murdered in her Irvine home. Her husband, David, was in hospital with a virus and Manuela had kept the same routine over several nights in a row.

She'd have dinner at her parents, visit the hospital to see David and then go home. So it was David who raised the alarm actually, because he hadn't heard from her for a day or so, and he asked her mom to go and check. Oh, it's an awful discovery. Herendus. Detectives also noticed that the couple's television was found in the backyard,

possibly the killer's attempt to make the crime appear to be a botched robbery. But like you just moved it to the backyard, you didn't steal it, you just moved it. Maybe that's why you didn't steal big items because he was always giving away on foot or on a bike. Yeah. It's kind of hard to carry a TV with you on a bike. Also makes me wonder, is the earning a decent living during the day maybe? So it's just money's

not a, that's not a motivator for him. That's a great, great observation that's you. But I just want to have a time for all of that. Yeah, that's true. If you are working full time, even if you are moving around for work from California to city to California and city, you've got to, I mean, he's, yeah, planning and plotting and spending all night killing people. It's sort of horrific, but like, does the time management is you're going to say impressive? No, it's just like it kind of unbelievable. I leave it in its impressive.

No, I'll say kind of unbelievable for someone if they are working full time. He's kind of made murdering a full-time job, which is so weird. Yeah, I guess it's kind of like how we worked full time and did podcasting on the side for a bit, and then after a while podcasting was enough to kind of like how we worked full time and did podcasting on the side for a bit And then after a while podcasting was enough to kind of you know support us. Maybe it's like that. I still wait full time Ha podcasting does not support It helps me. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you so much But you know more please

Please so you know, more please. Please, so kind of more. Is there some more? Or if you have any odd jobs in it? Yeah, any work done. If you're like a casting agent and you need someone to be a busy mum, I'm your girl. Or a busy dad or a hot young son. Yeah, okay, we could be a little fan. I'm not your man. You'd have to shave off the beard.

Would you do that for? Yeah, for money, yes. Okay. How much? Because we've been meaning to talk to you about it. Really? Have you trimmed it at all? Yeah. Shapes it.

Shapes it. That's what I thought. I thought that couldn't be unfettered growth. Yeah, this is a clipped. What do you think? Yeah, it's looking very trim. It's a small bead. That's what you want.

It's sort of in... Yeah, anything too bushy, it gets a bit yucky. It's in the George Lucas school of small beers. Oh no, but people may find it him. I saw an old friend last night and they were like, this is the new you now, you look better with this. But I can go back, like this is in front of the, no this is the new you now.

Yeah, you're done now. Do you think this is me? I like it, but it's real, I mean only you can decide. Obviously, but I just hadn't really thought long term. Sure. But maybe it is. I'm trying you can decide Obviously, but I never I just hadn't really thought long term sure, but maybe it is Well, see I'm I'm trying to this is so unrelated. I'm trying to grow out my hair and then I saw Video of us a comedy festival probably last year and my I just cut my hair real short And I was like god damn that looks good. Oh wow

So it's hard you got hair nostalgia. Yeah, I really always do and then when it's short I'm like, oh, I missed the long day. You know, you can't, never happy. Never happy. Hair is always green on the other side. Yeah, you're right. My nose turned around. Green.

Dave's colored the back of his head green. Yeah, just that. So there were a couple more attacks as well. In July, another couple were attacked in a residence in Galetta, and the offender head entered the house for a small bathroom window. The man Gregory Sanchez was shot and wounded in the cheek before being bludgeoned to death with a garden tool. But no neighbours responded to the gunshot. Yeah, my question I wanted to ask was a lot of the people being shot because I was using a science or something why

People are not hearing a gunshot. Yeah, and maybe it's not not Like some bonding sometimes I imagine at least two of these killing two people. Yeah It's so it makes no say if I heard a gunshot. I'd be quite sassy reckon. Yeah, I'd be like oh that doesn't sound right Cool, yeah, I'd call someone or I'd mute the TV and just listen for a bit and be like, what's that a gunshot? What else can I hear? You know what I mean? Gunshot rattling plates.

Yeah. I'd be like, oh, what's going on here? Yeah. Someone's having a wild party. So after this attack, there was nothing for a few years. Because that was in... Few years. Yeah, that was in 81.

Then on the 4th of May in 86, 18-year-old Janelle Lisa Cruz was found after she was bludgeoned to death in her own home. Her family was on vacation in Mexico at the time of her attack. And a pipe wrench reported missing by her stepfather was thought to be the murder weapon, but they didn't find that either. So the Southern California murders were not initially thought to be connected by investigators in their respective jurisdictions. A Sacramento detective strongly believed that the East Area rapist was responsible for the

Galetta attacks, but the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department attributed them to a local career criminal who was later murdered. So they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's this other guy that we know about. Oh, he's murdered. Everything's going to be fine. And that's why I went quiet. Yeah, I guess they're there the other guy that we know about. Oh, he's murdered, everything's gonna be fine. And that's why it went quiet. Yeah, I guess.

That's the only way. Well, that's it. But after the 1986 attack, the killer went quiet again, and this time it was for good. So it probably did make them sort of go, well, I guess that's it then. He must have died. In 86.

Yeah. Right, I mean, obviously we've been saying this all along, there's something quite wrong with this dude. Hmm. But do they often stop for five years after, you know, if you can come back for one and then stop. Yeah, give killed 10 people in a year or a tax 10 people in the year and then go on, take five years off. So then started talking to someone. Also, yeah, what else could have been happening in his life? Maybe. Jail. Or? Move somewhere else.

Or family. Oh, oh. I'm just, that's just a theory. So he had kids and then went, oh, I just, the murder lost something for me anyway. Well, yeah, I highly doubt it was a conscious decision of, maybe that's not right. I don't know, but like nearly a-

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So I've got a few examples here of like phone calls, but he made it also like, wrote letters and stuff to media a couple of times, so it was mostly a few phone calls, that he made he also like wrote letters and stuff to media a couple of times, it was mostly a few phone calls. So back in 1977 the Sacramento County Sheriff's Office received three calls from a man claiming to be the East Area rapist. None were recorded. You got three calls from someone saying they're doing a bunch of attacks and you don't record any of those calls. How quickly would you be able to they they'd probably have a thing where they just push a button or record. I guess so. Or you think at least for quality purposes, quality control. Yes, and training purposes. And training purposes.

Yes. Of course. Well, even if you missed the first one, you get a record already in case they call back. And you did 15 minutes later. So the first one was at 415, then the second one at 430 and they were identical, and they ended with the call laughing and hanging up. And the final call came in at 5pm with the call saying, I'm the Eastside rapist, and I have my next victim already stalked out, and you guys can't catch me. And from what I understand, there was an attack that night, all the next day. And until that attack were they like, that's just a prank. Probably.

But like record them. A man claim, this is another time in December of 1977. So later that year, a man claiming to be the rapist called the Sacramento Police, saying, you're never gonna catch me. East area rapist, you dumb fuckers. Similarly to the previous call, the East area rapist attacked his fuckess. Similarly to the previous call, the East Area rapist

attacked his victim the same night. Wow. It's so strange. So, and then in December, oh, so that was the second of December, on the 10th of December, so, you know, a week later, shortly before 10 p.m. Sacramento authorities received two identical calls saying, I'm going to hit tonight, what avenue, W-A-T-T? Not like, what avenue? Oh, right, right, right, sorry. Just giving them a street. I'm taking requests.

Yeah, what avenue? Both were recorded, and the caller was identified as the same person who placed the call the week earlier. So law enforcement patrols were increased that night, and at 2.30 a.m., a masked man eluded offices after being seen bicycling on what avenue bridge. How is he getting away? Well, he was spotted again at 4.30 and he just got off the bike and fled on foot. It was a stolen bike as well. So twice they spotted him and he got away. Right, but he didn't attack anyone that night. I don't think so.

Wow. God, it doesn't make any sense. It seriously is like a... Like Mike Myers. Michael Myers. Michael Myers. Michael Myers. Who throws a shoe?

He sits on a bike. You can't catch me shagged, like baby. You're like, my, my, my, my, my, my, that's so clearly you. No, I'm fat fast. What? Swing Swing. You picture Michael Myers riding on a bike,

so that's what it sounds like. Yeah. Just he's just, he's Just slowly just making his way around, uncatchable, unstoppable. And you mentioned before, like maybe he was talking to some sort of professional help. Well, in January of 78, a man claiming to be the East Area Rapers called the contact counseling service and said, I have a problem, I need help because I don't want to do this anymore. And after a short conversation, the caller said, I believe you are tracing this call and hung up. Oh, was she, or the word they're tracing? No idea.

I believe you're tracing this call. I have a problem, I need help, don't want to do this anymore. You don't think a counselor would trace a call? No, I don't think so. No, why in the 70s would they even have that technology ready to go? Yeah. Yeah. And there were a couple, this is really weird. So, okay, so one theory was that, well, he's died in 86. That's why he stopped. In 82, a previous victim received a call at her place of work, a restaurant, during which the rapist threatened to attack her again. Oh my God.

According to Contra Costa County, uh, investigate a poll whole, so it goes on to investigate this guy a lot. Um, they reckoned that he must have come to the restaurant by chance and recognized her. Oh. And so he was still in the area. That is so fucked.

I said if you haven't already ruined someone's life enough. I know and I'm really sorry if you're listening to this at night. It's not good. I, yeah. I'm sorry I think this guy's got no morals at all. Do you reckon? I reckon you might be right too. So but that was 82.

There was also a call in 2001. 2001. In April. There was also a call in 2001. 2001. In April, one day after an article in the Sacramento Bee linked the original night stalker and the East Area rapist, a victim received a call from him and he asked, remember when we played and then hung up and she recognized the voice. Terrifying. So 2001. Terrifying. So 2001, still alive. So that's at least 15 years after the year. But

he stopped, he's obviously just keeping his toe dipped in or something. So just like friends like. Yeah. So and we were talking before, there was a speculative psychological profile. The killer was compiled based on their analysis. So it was speculated that the killer most likely had the following traits. So an emotional age equivalent to a 26 to 30 year old at the time the murders began in 1979. So it wasn't like not a young man, not a really old man. But that you said emotional age. Yeah.

What does that mean? I don't know. Yeah, what does that mean? I don't know Well as in not like Didn't see Examples of someone being say 30 but having the emotional age of a 12 year old like no sort of learning difficulties or Maybe had some knowledge of police investigation methods and evidence gathering techniques Dress well and would not stand out and upscale neighborhoods. Good physical condition had some means of income but did not work in the early morning hours. Hated women for actual or perceived roles. If he was married probably

had a submissive spouse who tolerated his sexually deviant behaviour. Intelligent and articulate. Neat and well-organized in his personal life and drove a well-maintained car, peeped in windows of many people who were not attacked, who was self-assured and confident, would continue committing violent crimes until incapacitated by prison death or other intervention, and would have been described by those who knew him as arrogant, domineering, manipulative, and a chronic liar. So that's just sort of, and this is based on 70s and they've got no real evidence of this guy,

just based on the way that he attacks and behaves. This is a psychological profile they put together. I mean, it was not accurate though in the terms of that he would keep attacking unless he was jailed. Yeah. Which we don't, I don't know yet, but. So some of it, and this is a little spoiler, some of it, bang on.

Really? Some of it, not quite, but some of it, fuck, bang on. He didn't dress well at all. He didn't dress well at all. He wasn't trackies, and his wife was like, just put something nice to turn aversory, you know? Ugh. So they could figure all that out,

but at the time DNA technology hadn't come far enough to help them correctly identify the killer. But then of course, the murder stopped. So how he died, was he already imprisoned? What happened to him? Police had a couple of suspects, but most were men known to victims, as is usually the case.

So there was no evidence to connect them and to those crimes and no one was ever charged. People were investigated, but they weren't guilty. But also this entire time, no one had called him the Golden State Killer. You noticed I haven't said that at all? No, yeah, yeah, so all these different names. So in 2006, Michelle McNamara was a true crime author, launched her website True Crime Diary. And after authorities linked DNA evidence that connected the original Night Stalker and East Area rapist, she coined the moniker, Golden State Killer, to refer to the serial killer and rapist who'd previously been referred to by various other names.

Right as he, a male, I'm sorry. She came up with Golden State Killer. She became interested in the Golden State Killer case and pand articles for the Los Angeles magazine about the serial killer in 2013 and 2014. Harper Collins offered her a book deal and she began working on her debut novel. Tragically though, which you may know, Michelle died in her sleep in April 2016 from an accident at overdoses as well as an undiagnosed heart condition. Her husband is comedian, Patton Oswald. Right, do you remember that? Yeah.

And along with some true crime writers, he finished Michelle's book, and it was posthumously released in Feb of last year, 2018, almost two years after her death. On April 25th, last year, two months after the release of her book, the Sacramento police announced they had arrested a suspect in the Golden State Killer case, 72-year-old Joseph James DiAngelo, a former police officer from Orban and Exeter in California. And Pat Nozz World quite famously took to Instagram when he heard of the news, and he

says, it looks like they've caught the East Area rapist and if that's true, they've caught the golden state killer. So I think you've got him, Michelle. Two years after she died, two months after her book was released, they caught him. Was it, was it important in the, in catching him the book? I, it probably helped. I haven't seen heaps to say that like it was with her research that they found that there was people working on it regardless, but what was notable about her work was that she was, and I'll talk a little bit about it at the end as well, but she wasn't just looking at it from that, because we've all got that sick kind of fascination

with serial killers or people who do these awful things. We're all kind of like, you're fascinated by the details, but also you don't want to know. But you know, I find that I read about it and then go, I wish I didn't know that. Yeah, exactly. But she was really approaching it from the perspective of a lot of different people, from police and also from victims and people living in those areas at the time. And again, I'll talk about it in a sec. But like, it rattled an entire community for a really long time and people I'll talk about it in a sec but like it rattled an entire community for a really long time and people didn't feel safe because all these attacks kept happening and I read somewhere

that it wasn't a question of if it was a question of when people were just assuming that they will get attacked at some point it was totally fucked so a little bit about So a little bit about DiAngelo. So he was born on November 8, 1945 in Bath, New York. He joined the US Navy in September of 64, and served for just under two years during the Vietnam War. Beginning August 1968, he attended Sierra College. And in June 1970, he graduated with an associate degree

in police science with honors. In May of 1970 he became engaged to Bonnie Jean Colwell, a classmate at Sierra College, but she broke off the you guessed it controlling and possessive relationship. So after that breakup he reportedly appeared at her bedroom window with a gun and she alerted her father who told her to lock herself in the bathroom and not come out until he told her to and after a couple of hours her father, who told her to lock herself in the bathroom and not to come out until he told her to. And after a couple of hours, her father returned and told her that it was safe that Joe had left. Couple of hours.

So she went on to marry an accountant, um, bad move on her part and, um, Joe bought a house only a few miles away from hers, but he didn't bother her again. Oh, thank you. So that's good. Um, in 71, he attended Sacramento State University, where he earned a bachelor's degree in criminal justice and undertook police training. And from May of 73 to August of 76, he was a Bergbergler unit police officer in Exeter. Right. And the attacks had just started around then. Yeah. And it was in a town of about

5,000 people near Vassalia where the ransacker had started before this. Around that time. So is there a chance that he's burglaring on the job in uniform? Or was he doing it at night and then the next day getting cold and being like, well, yeah. Look at this case, this is a bit crazy.

Yeah, I guess it's possible. I wonder if, yeah, I wonder if he, it would be silly to do it in uniform right, but maybe that also gives you an alibi, but he was never disturbed in that way, was he? He was in a mask, so he was off duty. Yeah, but remember the first thing that they thought about him was that he had an understanding of police operations, and he did. By 76, he'd been promoted to Sargent and was in charge of the Exeter Police Department's

joint attack on burglary program, even though he was a large part of the problem. He was married in 73 to a woman named Sharon Marie Huddle. They had three daughters and separated in 1991. Oh, those poor kids. He was fired from the police force in 79 for shoplifting a hammer and dog repellent. And he was sentenced to six months probation and he was fired that October. So he was off the police force. And not much is known about his work in the 80s, but in the 90s he worked as a mechanic

before where he retired in 2017. So it seems like other than a few menacing phone calls, he lived a relatively normal life. And do they know why he stopped? No, they are still investigating. He was arrested last year, but they're still looking into it. He hasn't gone to court or anything yet? No, they suspect it would be like, it could take up to 10 years.

Because there's so many crimes. And cost $20 million. But he would probably die in that time. Yeah. But they know it's their confidence in him. Yes. So another kind of like weird thing is that his brother-in-law said that DiAngelo casually brought up the East Area rapist in conversation around the time of the original crimes. Like he'd sort of talk about it, maybe gauging other people's perception of it. What would you be hoping for? So I'm gonna be like, yeah, I know, pretty cool, huh? We're a rad dude.

Like, of course not. You probably want that people to be terrified about it. Yeah, you probably want the fear. You want it, because that's the way you experience it first hand. Yeah. Your relative is like, yes, really scary, isn't it? And neighbors reported that he frequently engaged in loud, profane outbursts, and one neighbor reported that his family received a phone

message from DeAngelo threatening to deliver a load of death because of their barking dog. So it was pretty unhinged. But how did they finally catch him after such a long time? How did they do it? Detectives had uploaded the killer's DNA profile from a rape kit from way back to the genealogy website GED match.

So like an ancestry.com. Oh right, yeah, when people put their own DNA in. Yeah, because I figured he wouldn't have put his own shore. That would be stupid. Oh, that would be so stupid. But if we can find a match to distant relatives, we can build a family tree and that's exactly what they did. So the website identified 10 to 20

distant relatives of the Golden State Killer and a team of investigators and genealogists worked on the case eventually narrowing it down to two suspects. Right. One suspect was ruled out using DNA, leaving Dionjola was the only remaining suspect. And the ethics of how they confirmed his guilt

are a little bit questionable. They collected a sample from the door handle of his car, because obviously they couldn't approach him because then he could run. He might flip. You were a jumper of offense. I guess so. He still.

He said he was like, I'm done. So they got a sample from his door handle and later another sample was collected from a tissue found in his rubbish bin. So they just went through his rubbish out the front of his house. Right. Despite the ethical issues, they were able to identify the man who had terrorised an entire

state for over a decade. And it was like, there's a direct match from that. Yeah. In that fucking wild? Wow. And so he hadn't killed for over 25 years. Yeah, and he can't be charged with the rapes or burglaries because of a statue of limitations. Why does that exist?

That's weird, isn't it? It's like you've won, you beat us. You held out for long enough. Yeah, that is, why does that exist? That must be a reason. Yeah, I don't know, but it has been such a long time. For sure, I like it. Yeah, high sex crimes, surely that is just forever.

Yeah, I mean, if you were a 10 and stole a Fredo from the milk bar. Yeah, okay. Sure. Sure were a 10 and stole a Fredo from the milk bar, yeah, okay, sure, sure. You're a rapist? There's no 50 years later, I don't care. It's quite different, isn't it? So the statute of limitation has expired on those offenses, but he has been charged with 13 counts of murder

and 13 counts of kidnapping. Right, okay, well, if they get him on those, yeah, he won't get out on bail, you know? So in late April 2018, the Vizalia Chief of Police stated that while there's no DNA, linking DiAngelo to some of their cases, his department has other evidence that will play a role in the investigation. And the police chief said that he was confident that the Vizalia Ransaker has been captured. So that was just sort of linking that those original, just petty, ransacking things.

Right. The link to him as well. This is also this guy. Yep. And so, yeah, though the Statue of Limitations on the burglaries had each expired, he was formally charged on August 13th with first degree murder of Claude Snelling in 1975. So the murders, he can be charged with, just not rapes and burglaries. Not all of them. Yeah. Something to remember though is that because no one ever was ever caught,

former victims never felt safe, like even people living in the area never felt safe knowing that these attacks were happening so frequently. There's this really good article in Rolling Stone and it talks to woman named Judy Galaine who lived in Rancho Cordova in the 70s and she was in her early 20s and was terrorized. This is a quote from her. She says, the rapes weren't really on the news but you'd hear about it at a party or at the park. She says, did you hear that there was another attack, would say? And I was always worrying, how would I survive it? What would I do? another attack would say and I was always worrying how would I survive it what would I do. It was May of 1977 and Golan's first baby had arrived. News reached her that the rapist would strike with children in the house. She says, now I have a kid and we've just moved closer to the ditch which was like an area where it was happening the most. She thought

I have to protect my kid, what am I going do? This is all quite the report. I said, I asked Golan whether she ever had a close call. Yes, she had. At least once, just a few months later, it was Christmas time and Rancho called Dover was kind of a party spot back then, she began. Her husband was out, so Golan's friend Laurie came over to bake Christmas cookies. There was suddenly a loud urgent banging at the door. I went to the peephole and whoever it was, he was covering the hole, she said. I was pushing my hip against the door. It felt like he was pushing that cheap little door in. Whoever this person was, he then took the hose and wrapped it around the door like a figure eight so that we couldn't get out. Maybe he decided to trap them and try a different way in. We were in the house screaming, oh my

god, it's him, it's him. The neighbor came over with a shotgun. Maybe she heard a screaming. She undid the hose and got us out. Learning of a Suspects captures all these years later, Gaelain was jubilant and felt a rebellious glee, and of course, freed him from the enduring fear. Put it this way, Gaelain said, last night was the first time in 40 years my husband and I were able to sleep with the window open. Whoa! Isn't that fucked? Yeah.

So yeah, the case is still ongoing. Wow, I would literally move. Totally. I would move away from that barrier. Yes, yes, absolutely. No, of course. No doubt about it, especially if you had a family, no way. No, I'm out, I'm out.

Okay, I'm getting a new job. Yeah. Which is not how it should be, but I just would be so scared. I couldn't live like that. I didn't, yeah, I don't think often that's just not how it goes. You know, like, even in Melbourne, maybe some vague equivalent is bushfire areas. Like every summer, there's a high chance that a bushfire is going to sweep through and you know most people will stay and sometimes the house burns out of the rebuild and go again not everyone some people move but a lot of people do you just stay even with that hanging over

your head all the time but yeah this that's. Maybe there's other reasons you can't kind of forward to. Yeah, of course. I should say that a lot of people probably couldn't. But I would just be, I don't know, it would trust you. Yeah, crazy. Yeah, and it did. Yeah, and that's why, and that. And 40 years later, she's still thinking about it every day.

It's like, totally. And now she finally feels safe, even though he hasn't attacked for such a long time. And what, obviously that's terrifying, since some of the people that he would have attacked would have been the actual attack. Imagine the survivors. Yeah.

Yeah. You never sleep well again. Yeah. No, it doesn't matter where you go. I found a, there's a page on Wikipedia about statute of limitations. It says there's three reasons for their enactment. One, a plaintiff with a valid cause of action should pursue it with a reasonable, with reasonable diligence.

Okay. Two, by the time this, a style claim is litigated, a defendant might have lost evidence necessitated to disprove the claim. And three, litigation of a long dormant claim may result in more cruelty than justice. You can kind of understand with burglary you might lose evidence like you don't have your insurance forms from 40 years ago, whatever. I don't know where I was that day. Like is it because it's... Yeah, well, yeah, that evidence one makes a little bit of sense in something like that.

But I don't think it really applies to rape cases, you know? Yeah, that's not a thing in Australia, is it? People, I really think I'm some things. There is a statute of limitations. Yeah, on some things for sure. Right. I say that because sometimes we make that joke on the dog act segment that I do

where people tell me about petty things that have happened to them. And you call it a statute of limitations on you something. No, you can't. It was too long ago. Get over it. Yeah, that's the thing. But that's usually about their housemate burying their thongs or something.

Yeah, I think you should move on from something to do. Yeah, get over it. But in this case, not relevant. There's heaps of really, obviously I just tried to do like a pretty broad sort of start to finish kind of thing there that a lot of really interesting articles and that book by Michelle McNair is called I'll be gone on the dark. It's really great. There's also a mini series called The Gone State Killer. It's not over, which I think was by the looks of what I've seen. It's before they'd caught him, so it's pretty interesting.

So yeah, I'll chuck all those references in this episode description. But that is my report on the Golden State Killer. Grave with Jess. Wow. Jess, thank you for having to delve through that research. So Matt and I didn't have to because whoever had to draw that straw, obviously, we're thinking about death for a big part of the week. Yep.

I'm going to go to work overnight again tonight, so that's good. Yeah, it's scary stuff. Yeah, but um, yep, you wanted it. So that's right, the people requested it. You love it. It is, it is in a very morbid and strange way, it's fascinating. Oh, you can see why true crime is so so popular, but it is yeah, I Think about it later night. Yeah, exactly. It's not good

Yeah, just cuz I he started as a bit of a pral or a peeping Tom and then I was walking to my car up the driveway at my house And I was like And it was midnight when I was heading for work. It's infal good. You're talking about his sort of origin story with him being in a bad, he was an asshole. He was like an asshole boyfriend, so he put off and then he left her alone. And I was thinking at first, I'm like, oh, no, this is gonna be this where it starts, but because he was a cop and he would know

that he'd be the first suspect. He's already, he's publicly like her dad knew and stuff. So it's like even more calculating like he know he's and it all almost like he was taking out his anger on her against others or something. Yeah. Because you were saying that the profile said that he had the hate's women. Well, one of the attacks apparently said something like, I hate you Bonnie and her name was Bonnie.

Oh, fuck. And so when they kind of joined those dots, they're like, ah, okay, yep. Right. So so Bonnie was lucky. Yeah. Was really lucky to get out. Jesus. Yeah, it's just.

I'm lucky to have met him. Totally. But, did you, was it, was it, was it, was it with a family surprised? I don't know. I didn't really see much like that. Like, he's like married or separated with three daughters. And he was living with one of his daughters and a grandchild when he was arrested.

Oh, I imagine, oh, the life would be turned upside down as well. Totally. Yeah, just reframing everything in, think you know. Yeah. Awful. But let's not think about it anymore. Okay, well, let's think about something much more positive and that is our Patreon supporters and the first thing we like to do in the second half of our episode is the fact quote or question

question. One of the, it's the Sinny Shahnberg Memorial Deluxe Rest in Peace level of the Patreon, you can give us a factor quote or a question as well as a bunch of other great rewards. And you, as well as giving us a factor quote or a question, you also get to give us a title. I don't read these until I read them on the show. It's all part of the fun. And this week, our fact quote or a question, you'll also get to give us a title. I don't read these, so I read them on the show. It's all part of the fun. And this week, our fact quote or questioner is Linda Moulton from, well, she lives in Thailand, I think. We've had her in Thailand. We've met her in Thailand.

In America, yeah. And teaching over there, yeah. I'll let you know. Really, she's a woman of the world. I think she's actually about to pretty sure she's visiting Australia soon But Linda's called herself you get to give yourself a title and she's called herself gecko queen of gainsville All right, I like that. So I think I've seen her social media. She does live. She has a gecko. There's some geckos where she Stays there's some geckos window

I am the Gecko Queen. Lizard Queen. I can feel the music. Thank you, Doctor. Oh, I'm not a doctor. And Linda's given us a quote this week. And the quote is, well, let me just read the message here. It says the current Guinness book of world records hold it for fastest talker It's held by a Canadian man Sean Shannon. He earned the title in 1995 by reciting all of the to-be or not to-be it's a little que from William Shakespeare's hamlet He recited the entire monologue in 23.8 seconds the entire speech itself is 260 words 23.8 seconds. The entire speech itself is 260 words. He's the Guinness Book World Records website with a video shown and given the monologue. I'll give that to you to link so people can watch it. Cool. I thought it was a 10 words a second. 10 words a second. Yeah, I don't really understand. That was a good fast math day.

Fast math day. That's a more faster. Smith calculator. Uh, the current female record holder is Fran Kepo, who speed was calculated at 11 words per second. Um, confined the video for that one. Apparently the record is no longer accepting applications because it's difficult to judge the legitimacy and accuracy. accuracy of whether people actually say the words and just go nailed it and it uh she says that she was inspired to give us this uh fact when we were talking about my talking speed on the john Mcmacka for the episode

oh will we say you were slow? no no very fast talker. Scored it a quiet, I reckon that's a fact. I'm going to retart all that, quote, a fact. That's a good fact, great fact. Great fact. Thank you so much, Linda. Thanks Linda.

It's a fantastic fact. Fantastic. And we also like to thank a few of our patrons who've been on the Patreon supporting level of whatever it is and above, maybe DB Cooper is it Dave? Yeah. It's one of those. I mean, it's clearly listed on the thing.

That's right, because as well as the shout out here, which we're about to give you, you can access the ticket sales before everyone else. You get two bonus episodes a month at a certain level. You get to be in the Facebook group, which is going off just as a Patreon newsletter and we just have a little community on there. Yeah, it's a nice way to be. It's actually the associate producer or the arse prod level. Oh yeah, thank you, arse prods and about. So, okay, so usually what we do is we play a bit of a game, but I don't really want

to give these people serial killer names. We would, I reckon we do that in the past. What's matured, have we? All right, let's do it then. That's what you want. I'm not sad, but I don't know. I mean, that certainly sounds like that's what you want. Dave, did you hear that Matt wants to hear about that?

Well, otherwise we could base it off Linda's fact about speed talking. Maybe it, we could give them a world record again, or the thing they do the fastest You're thinking about Dave coming real quick. Why do you? Why do you assume Dave come on? I don't understand if it's gonna be any of the three of us you think it is me big time Why Dave look in the mirror mate What? Dave, look in the mirror mate. If I look in the mirror it's gonna happen. It's happening. What are you reckon Dave do we give them something they do, something they're the best at?

Or something else. Or a murder name. I think the world record things better. Yeah it's a bit nicer. All right, well, can I kick us off? And thank from Sydney, Australia, James Hatchfield. James Hatchfield! Oh, I knew what was going to happen. Thank you. He must get that all the time. James Hatchfield.

Very close, James. Hatchfield, the Metallica from me. James has actually got the Guinness Book of World Records, record four, wearing the most hats. Wow. At the same time. At the same time, he balances 87 hats on his head at once. Wow.

Yeah, it's huge. That's a lot. Yeah, no, I know. That's why he's won the records when no one can top him. Top hat. Top hat. Top hat. And when I used to the World Record Show, we broke,

made up World Records with Adam Knox and Andy Matthews, I once did the World Record for wearing the most party hats at once. Oh, yeah. So I put a lot on, I can't remember the exact number, but it was so big that, and then we attached extra, you know how you get a chin strap, a little bit of elastic, we made it longer

and longer a chin straps. So, yeah, it was quite tall, and I remember, yeah, I think it sort of fell off towards the end, because it was just so, so big. Yeah, it's not structurally sound. Yeah, not 86. I'm not, I'm not in the James Hatfield. No, God, no.

You wish you could be. Do you remember this kid's book for when you were kids? It was about a man selling hats, and then there were a bunch of monkeys in a tree, and he's walking around, he's got like this pile of hats up on his head, and he goes, he's going, hats for sale, hats for sale, something like that. And then a monkey comes and gets his hat, and then maybe it used to be read on play school, because I can remember how they, and then the hat seller would be like, you cheeky monkeys,

why did you still my hats? I don't know. And then the monkeys slowly take all the hats. I don't think you maybe get some back in the air. You cheeky monkeys. Why did you still my hats? You're looking at it, did I make this up? Yeah, I think you made that up.

I've got to story your dad read to you as a little boy. Don't look it up, just move up. I forgot to story your dad read to you as a little boy. Don't look it up. Just move on. I need to know. I don't think you do need to know. Oh, all right. All thank. Can I thank as well?

I mean James, I feel well done so much. I'd love to thank from Melbourne. Melbourne. Australia, Dan, Paik, or Pedrick. I was a groom's man. It was Dan's best man. So I know he's, I do know he's. I'm, that's good.

One of the best, one of the best guys in the world. What an honor to have you as a petriot. Oh, Dan, Dan. Dan the man. Haven't seen you for a while, Dan. Hope you're well. Thanks Dan. Thanks Dan.

All right, Dan. Dan, what's, he's very tall. He's very tall. Once I was, I went to, he goes to Jolong and one tough to a game. We're on the busy platform at Spencer Street station, some of the cross station and we're standing there waiting for a train and this guy was near us on his phone and he's going, yeah, I'm on platform seven. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I've got my hand up in the air now. I'm right next to the freakishly tall guy. No, you were right there. No, you were right there.

No, you were right there. No, you were weird, but we laughed for the yard. That's lovely. Yeah, so what's his record? I'm being the most freakishly tall. He's not the tallest, record? Being the most freakishly tall. He's not the tallest, but he is the most freakishly tall. Yeah, that's right. Other people, you understand?

Yeah. Why they're that tall? But this, isn't it? It makes no sense. All of his family, four foot. How are you that tall? Huge. Doesn't make any sense.

Doesn't make any sense. It's a five science. It's freakish. That's what it is. Sorry, Dan. Good on you, Dan. You're freak. Hey, congratulations, Dan, on the world record. Yeah, what it is. Sorry Dan. Good on you Dan. You're freek. Hey, congratulations Dan on the World Record. Yeah, good for you.

It was super star. Can I thank some people too? Yes please. Hey, I would love to thank from Hamilton in New South Wales here in Australia. Chloe Warren. Oh, Chloe Warren. Chloe Warren.

Where was Chloe from? Hamilton. Hamilton. You said that was very Aussie Patreon section. So far, yeah. Chloe Warren. How do you know? You think Warren, you think rabbits?

Yes. Ray rabbits Warren, one of the great rugby league commentators. Oh my God. Do you think, Rob? I've never heard of that person. Fittler. You heard of this rugby league. This rugby league.

It's got more and more obscure. One of the great rugby league commentators, friends. He's actually, he would do pretty well in the fast talking, I think. I'm gonna say all right, I'm gonna blank my mind and say the first thing that comes to it. Oh great, I'll lead it in for you.

Ready? You blank your mind. Okay. Chloe Warren won the Guinness World Record for. 73 trees. Wow, eaten in. I don't even know. Planted in under 10 minutes. Wow, that's pretty amazing.

Your most recent planted in 10 minutes, 73 trees. Wow, that's pretty amazing. Your most race planted in 10 minutes, 73. 73 trays. Wow, it's a little forest. I wanted it, did she have to dig the holes? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, she's that good. That's really good.

And we're talking fully formed trays, right? Fully formed trays. Like, 20 made it tall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gums. She's like carrying a mean, chucking them in their hole onto the next hole. Wow, well done. I know. I know. That is more impressive than I even realized, Chloe. Yeah.

An amazing effort. Chloe, Warren. Thank you, Chloe. And I would also like to thank From London, where we're going to be so soon. So soon. So soon. So soon. Terrifyingly soon. We should book flights. There were tickets still available when we started this episode. That was an hour and a half ago, so who knows? Who knows? Come to the mat and they show. Different show to the other ones. If you want to do the doubles, some people are doing that.

My favorite is when people say, are you doing, is it the same show? And it's like, God, that would be so boring for us. Yeah, I don't know. I'd rather do more work and have a different show every time. I think there are podcasts that do the same show. Definitely. Sure. And I guess that's fine, but how do you make comedy? I'm guessing they're not comedy podcasts.

I've heard my dad wrote a porn I do the same show. I don't, and I also, because their show is someone reading something and people reacting to it in a similar way. So how do you react authentically differently five times? I don't understand. That's where acting comes to say. Oh, see, that's what we don't do.

Actually, I'm not 100% sure. I've just heard someone say that. But it's a, I mean, I don't understand. That's where acting comes. Oh, see, that's what we don't do. Actually, I'm not 100% sure. I've just heard someone say that. But it's like, I don't know. I don't understand. I've just heard someone say that. I don't understand. I've just heard someone say that. I don't understand.

I don't understand. I've just heard someone say that. But it's like, I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand.

I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. I like that. Although I just sort of this idea. Actually, let's just do one. Let's just write it out.

We'll write one good show. One really good one. We'll script it. Yeah. And then we'll just release that for nine weeks in a row. Yeah. Then we just go, like we go to London, we press play. But we'll just sit on stage, maybe mimeing.

I might just be on my phone scrolling for you. Yeah. That's all right. My haven't met. Yeah, that's all right. You know, a nap. Yeah, that's... You know, I love a nap. But from London, I would love to thank Ian Landman. Oh, with the power of land.

What a great superhero. I love that. Landman. Landman. Thank you, Ian. Dave, what do you reckon Ian's got the world record? Well, it's hot as superhero. Okay, Landman.

Move over. Pretty cool. I'm going to say Clark Kent comes to mind with hotness and superheroes. Obviously. The whole Captain America. Hulk. Hulk. You're not saying the hottest of the hot guy.

I know what I'm saying. Fucking love Hawkeye. Hawkeye. Hawkeye's great. Hawkeye's ungrateful. He's a man. He's no Landman though. Come on. He's no land man. Is land man part, man part land?

Yes. All top half is man, bottom half is just a little country. He's just standing in a pot plant. He sounds kinda like Earth from Captain Planet. It's an Earth Ringer. Kwame. Kwame. Yeah.

Earth. Captain Planet, don't start it. No. So that's that's a thank you. Landman. Landman. Landman. Landman. Super hero. Dave, bring us home. I would like to thank from Sydney now.

In New South Wales, Hannah Hitchcock. Hannah Hitchcock. Hey, Hitch. That rolls off the tongue. Your parents did well. Yeah. Love that. Hannah Hitchcock. I love that. You could be a crime writer, you could be a comedian, you could be a musician. crime writer is good, Hannah Hitchcock.

Have you ever heard of the latest Hitchcock? Yeah. Hannah Hitchcock. Hannah Hitchcock. And she has the record for... Most goldfish. Most goldfish. In a bowl?

Yeah, are they a lot of? Yeah, but it's a really, really big bowl. Like really big. In a bowl? Yeah. Are they a lot of? Yeah, but it's a really, really big bowl. Oh. Like really big. Like a tank. Yeah, but it's still bowl shape. Okay. So the record's really for biggest bowl.

Because, no, with this, I mean, there's so many goldfish you got. 2000. Whoa. That is a big bowl. One bowl. Cream on the cake. What?

Is that there's a lot of goldfish in it, but basically her record is for big as well. Big bowl. Yeah. Cream on the cake. Cream on the icing on the cake. Ocing on the cake.

Cream on the put. There you go. Put some cream on your put. Get it, get it, get it. Thank you, Hannah. Thank you so much. Hannah Hitchcock. One of the grades.

Oh. And bringing it home. Bring it from Indianapolis, Indiana. I'm wearing my Gary Indian attrition. You are. Thank you for showing it to me as if I was given to me by... That was given to me by... Camille.

Camille. Oh, so good. Thank you, Dave. I blanked there for a second. Who is now studying acting full-time? What? In Bristol. In the case of hopefully seeing me in our live show.

Yeah, that'd be cool. I've already got a ticket because I did sold it. Yeah. It's a, if not sending a message, Camille. And we'll give you directions to leads where there are still tickets available. Yeah, I think it's the Bristol Old Vic Theatre, which is a very prestigious theatre that a lot of very famous actors have Traynda and who's one of a few people that got into this series. We don't really look like Lisa McEun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They go out and play PJ. Ray Martin when he's acting. He was never a revealer. He was a vern actor. That's how good he is. Whoa. That was the character the whole time. Yeah. How do you see his name? It's like Ray Martin. What's kind of name? I was once at a Darwin

airport. What was I with you? Yes. I spotted him. I used spotted him. We're at the Darwin airport and Ray Martin was there. What was he doing? He was just, he was about to fly someone. What's he doing? We assume he was there to see us at Roadshow. That's the only possible explanation. That was all that was happening in Darwin that night. Did he, does everyone start to set the sets with great to be here, Ray, how are ya? No response. He's in the booth, he's in that royal booth here. Yeah.

Dave, finally. From Indianapolis, Indiana, I would like to thank Kevin McNulty. Kevin! Kevin! Kevin! McNulty. Kevin Mac. Nick Nalti! Kevin! Kevin! Kevin! Nick Nalti!

Kevin Mac. For a while, Adam Knox had a joke where he would talk about just coming in for the Christmas holidays and then he just paused on stage and go, Kevin! And it was incredibly funny. That is really good. Very good. Adam Knox, very funny man.

Very funny man. Kevin, Nick Nalti, right. Who's turn is this? Probably mine. All right, what do you got? Uh, blank your mind, come on, match up. Come on. All right, I'll say,

do I have much of it? I'll give you a bit of a leading. I think I'm good. Okay, great. Well, you're gonna give us some of a leading. Yeah, give me a leading. I said, I'm, I said, I'll give you a bit of a leading.

You said, I'm good. I thought you meant you were gonna pad for a bit. No, no, I'll give you a leading. Matt just and you said I'm good. I thought you meant you were gonna pad for a bit Get it world record for the biggest bowl of cereal consume Good record that is a good record Nothing they've just shuckered. Yeah, I'm sorry. Were you also picturing? Nutrography? Yeah, I appreciate good work on it here So were you also picturing Nutrograph? Yeah, I appreciate good work on it here. Yeah.

I can't do the, the, the, uh, when I was a kid, like, they, that, uh, for a while, they had a promotion. If you bought the big box of Nutrograph, you get this huge bowl and it had different lines on it, like normal man. Yeah. Pretty good man. Ha, ha, ha, ha,ick, because it made like a sort of peer pressure due into

pouring a huge bowl of neutral grain, which is this brown sugar basically, shaped into Lego. And then you're... It's so good. And then, yeah, so you eat the packet in two bowls, and they'd be like, you fucking idiot. We gave you this shitty plastic bowl and it's meant that you've just up your intake by three times.

Anyway, that's... But Kevin did that. He outdressed intake by 12 times. Yeah. Yeah. Interestingly enough, he actually used Hannah Hitchcock's bowl. Goldfish bowl. Oh, hi.

Are the goldfish all dead, two thousand of them? Yeah. He ate two thousand goldfish. Well, no, because you know after what, you've got to wash the goldfish bowl, once a week. You need two balls. So she, when she was changing the water, she had them in a, in a big jug. He came to start a filling in, filling out with milk.

Okay, well that's, well, there's no goldfish were harmed. Thank goodness. Not until they went back in. Sure. And it was milk, milk residue. Yeah. So now we're lactose intolerant. Thank you to all our world record holders.

I shut themselves to death. Much like Kevin McNulty did after eating that much new drink. If you're going to shoot yourself to the three member to lift the lift. Yeah. People up for those who have to find you. Oh, you want to find someone with the lid still closed? Oh God.

No good. All right. Thank you to our world record holders, James. Dan, Chloe, Ian, Hannah, Kevin. You are the world record holder for some of our favorite people in the world. So good. Thanks so much for all your support, your legends. That pretty much brings us to the end of the episode.

We can absolutely do this. Things we can tell people is we got t-shirts. Just to just got a bunch of new t-shirts in. And you can find them on our website, like everything else. Do go on pod.com. And just send that a lovely little note with these. I do. A lovely one.

Lovely little note. Except one in 10, I write an abusive one. So... Roll the dice. It'll be fun. And you can also find all about those two updates on there as well. In the UK, Dublin and Perth, please come along and we go to see you at those places. Every all the information on there basically primates out tomorrow is about the Marvel character beast,

famously played by Frazier Crane. Oh, of course. The big blue, hairy mutant man. Who's a bit of a genius? Oh, just a bit of one. Yeah. Okay. You know, for a mutant.

Sure. I think, anyway. I think that would make you smarter. It does. It does. Okay, it does. Well, record holder for Biggest Brain, Dr. Frazier Crane. Wow.

And yeah, we'll be back next week with our third block topic. Even. Block, block, kick. No. Even harder than this week's block. Bloppy. Bloppy. Bloppy.

Oh. Bloppy. Bloppy. Sounds like, pop shadow cell. You know what, we may even have a guest coming up soon. Yeah, it's pretty exciting. And we haven't booked them, so we have, we have, we have. If you've got a Patreon.com slash do go on pod, and then you can hang out in there, but

also the Facebook group, which is a lot of fun, and where all of the block ideas came from basically. Yep. But yeah, what else to say, Davo? No, I think we are pretty much done here, getting contact at any time. All the links are on dogoon.com, one for time. Please give us a fast, star of view.

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We do. Someone asked for a TikTok. I don't know what it is. Short videos. We're too old for TikTok. Yeah. Yeah. We should get a kid.

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