Two In The Think Tank - 209 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (with Nick Mason)

Episode Date: October 23, 2019

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This week we have a special celebrity guest, I wonder. God, I can't wait to leave it. Who's it going to be? Who's it gonna be? Who's it gonna be? Hello and welcome to another episode of Do Go On. My name is Dave Wanuki and I'm sitting here with not one. Not two, but three handsome and beautiful people and that is Mad Stewart Jess Perkins and our celebrity guest by Luder Tood seconds ago Nick Mesa thank you for having me here it's always a pleasure happy block happy block everyone happy block to you happy block to you. I mean, is this peak block?

Yes. Doesn't get any blockier than this. It doesn't get any blockier than this. It doesn't get any blockier than this. Whatever context that means. Is this the blocky too of the block franchise? Yes. Yeah.

Blocky, yeah, Creed. This is blocky act two. Okay. Bank in the block it. You tried and I love it. I tried and I succeeded, thank you. So if people don't know, Blocktober is the happiest, most joyful time of year,

where this podcast does the biggest and best topics of all. Oh, yeah. And um... Can you imagine one day they're being Blocktober carols? Yes. I love that. I I can I can picture that yeah full name of course being a block Tofer grace period Month celebration I think is that right? It's pretty close. You came up with it Nick. Didn't you what was I did not? I'm not even entirely sure I've been part of Blocktober before.

But if I have... You're not a pleasure. You did a absolute pleasure. Last year you did a Blocktober Grace report on Batman and Barry Finger. Oh yeah, that's right. Bill Finger. I was gonna let you go and... Thank you.

Hope you received any comments. Yep, Barry Finger. You're a real a-hole. Oh, what? But this week, so you're doing a topic that I feel like maybe we talked about a year ago or something, a few people had suggested it. And I'm pretty excited. Do you know what it is, Dave and Jess?

No. No, you've said a couple of topics that may say may like to reported on so I don't know. Did you even come up with a question? Yeah, give you a quick, you know what, it's a four-part question. Oh, that's a lot of part. Feel free to jump in at any time you feel comfortable. You can jump in and try and guess all four answers. Yes, you can. Yes. Okay, so question one who leads Alvin the chip monk No, that's a the at all. That's a that's a partnership. They're equal parts. Oh, okay. You show the questions on who leads Leads Are you sure it is a band pencils my?

HB. Yeah, this is about the HB pencil. It's my favorite pencil. It's...all right, question two. Who does machine? Oh, Donatello. Yes. My favorite. Oh, we have none of these. Who? The best. Who's cool but, and I cannot stress this enough,

is also rude. Oh, that's Ruffa. That's Ruffa. Yeah. And who's a straight up party dude? That is. Juan, Jess, come on, you can have this. I'm so in doubt. Oh, no. He's got his lens. Splinter the rat.

He's a radical rat, no. Who have we already done? We've done. We've done the later. We've done those. The machine doer. And we've done the cooler-one. The Dunley and Ardo.

Yes. We've done. Raffa Yard. That's right. It's the Ninja Turtles, but. Yes. We've done. Raphael. Raphael, that's right. It's the Ninja Turtles, but Leonardo twice. We're not counting on that. Michelangelo. Gris.

He is a party dude. Ninja Turtles. We're going to talk about the Ninja Turtles. Cool. So you guys, who's in the Ninja Turtles, the Turtle Mania Wheelhouse here? I wonder. I definitely am.

Yes. Because my sister's three is older than I am. She was a huge fan of it when it was absolutely the biggest cut in the world. Yes. And because of that, I think that's why I am obsessed with. Right. Oh, really? Was it early 90s?

It was the peak. No, it was kind of the early to mid 90s. Because that's when the movies came out. Yeah, well what look we'll get to it Probably a report potentially in a report of incline. Oh, you matter. You are a turtle head I'm a turtle head right now and I I Saw the second ninja turtles film at the cinemas the secret of the ooze. Yeah, with Finilla Rice and his goon ninja goon ninja goon rap. What did he think of the movie? He loved it. Oh great. He's always he likes the he likes to see his own work. It's my favorite joke in the world when you do

what I know he said it never works. No, I think it worked very well. I just thought that people I'm Iso was double fist pumping. I don't know if it there. No, I think it worked very well. I just feel the people that I'm, I'm aso as double fist pumping. Don't effort there. No, but I was, I was all the way and I had the figurines. Me and my brother, as a family, we got a bunch of them for Christmas one year and then we had to, we got to choose. Oh my, you got to pick?

As the bigger brother, I was the bigger man and I let him choose first which was a Crucial mistake stupid mistake Well, I did but it also changed my focus everyone's favorite when I was a kid was Michael Angelo It's sort of the obvious one to go is the funny one is a party goes everyone ever I'm really worried about him. I'm gonna be on him Why are you that Matt's about to say that he's a donatello man? I'm a donate where I was meant to be. Where my wife and I, where my wife and I, where my wife and I, where my wife and I, where my wife and I, where my wife and I,

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So that's what my report is on. Blaine. Yeah. So my page one, it just says, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Tells were pretty good, but they were not a patch of the Blaineage Blurton Blurdles. So. But because of that, I grew to loves on Attila.

He became my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. Even though probably, it's tricky. I'd say Raphael's probably the most generous. He's kind of like the Ryan from the OC. You know, at the brooding bat. Ryan, which one is the Sandy from the...

Sam, well he's Michael Andrew, party dude. Cowabunga dudes. I'm Sandy Cohen. Let's go solve some cases. That's what he did. In the law courts. Yep. Yeah, Michael Andrew was famously a lawyer by day, right?

Yeah, absolutely. Laws up, dudes. So the Ninja Turtles, I was a big fan back in the day as we all were. So, do we just have to just where you were fan at all? My brother, seven years older than me. He's right in the sweet spot. Yeah, so we watched it. I watched the movies, which I can't remember perfectly, but years older than me. He's right in the sweet spot. Yeah, so we watched it. I watched the movies, which I can't remember perfectly,

but we had these, my brother had them. We had these plastic mugs in each of their colors that had stickers of each character. But over time, those stickers came off, so they were just colorful plastic mugs, and they were our go go to Milo cups Yeah, and did you have a color and they're for character? You would Milo we will we ended up only having red and purple left And I'd probably always go red. Oh the bad boy the Ryan of the SC. You know me. Yeah

What a bad boys a lot of bad boys and party dudes in this room. Yeah, there are yeah We're a room for the Raphael and my son your favorite I think I might have been Raphael Raphael, wow, I'm the only one who picked the leader with two swords I was walking in the room, I'm like he's gonna pick Leonardo I'm gonna pick a favorite by the end Okay, that's right, maybe'm gonna pick a favorite by the end. Okay, that's true. Maybe we'll have different answers by the end. Yeah, that's true.

So yeah, I think there's always a ninja turtle's property happening. There was just a couple of movies they're gonna reboot it again in a year, but when I was a kid, it was Turtle Mania. It was the biggest franchise. And it started out as a comic book. I don't know if anybody knows that, but I should stress,

this is gonna probably gonna be a lot of talk about the comic book, but I should point out the difference between this and all the other comic book reports I've done in the past is Kevin Eastman and Peter Leard, who created the 10-H, we need your turtles, are very, very rich now. Oh, that's right.

They haven't died in poverty and despair as most of the other people. Yeah, everyone else, it seems like it all went wrong. And everyone else got rich. Yeah, for sure. And so it's even quite difficult to determine how rich they are, but if it helps, Peter Laird at one point bought 130 acres of land

near his house so he could turn it into a ski resort. And Kevin Easton, Kevin Easton at one point bought 130 acres of land near his house so he could turn it into a ski resort and Kevin Easton of Kevin Easton at one point had a number of Ferraris. The sci-fi fantasy magazine Heavy Metal like he bought it, like the whole thing, at any under tank. Imagine having so many Ferraris that somebody say driving by or walking past couldn't count the measly number of worries has got. How many were you picturing? I was picturing two. I was picturing like eight which I didn't think I could count quickly. It's quite a fleet. Yeah, a fleet of cars. I also love the idea and obviously you'll get into how it all came about. But if you'd go back in time

to like before this happened and you said one day you'll have several foraries because you'll get into how it all came about. But if you'd go back in time to like before this happened and you said one day you'll have several forarees because you'll create a comic about some teenage mutant ninja turtles. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, so very quick bit of background about the two guys. So Kevin Eastman was born in Maine in the United States and he, I've got some notes, I'll probably read from the notes. That would probably be. Before up until now, you were just going from the top of your door. Yeah, we should say that, like, just Dave and I write a report and we read a report. We go way through. So it comes in and he goes straight from the top of his door.

Like he goes from the top of the door. Yeah. Okay, here we go. So his grandmother was a painter and his father was a tool and die maker who also liked to draw. And so he thinks he gained some artistic sort of inspiration from those two. And his father and his mother were divorced but his father would take him out on the weekends

and take him to drawing classes because he knew that that's something that Kevin liked. After... There's always a moment like that. After high school, Eastman went to the art school in Portland. He went there for like a semester and it was quite expensive and they didn't really mesh with what he liked. He liked cartoon.

Yeah, just very digital. That's all he wanted. They all told him he was crazy. But who's crazy now? He yells from his tank Running down the dean of admissions Please When you're rich enough after done after so basically

What what he loved was cartooning. He loved comic books. He didn't, he loved, especially Jack Kirby, who I think I've mentioned in a previous report, who was kind of one of the people it built, so the Marvel Universe. But he didn't like the superhero stuff. He liked some of the weirder stuff. He liked the ones called Commandy, who's the last boy on Earth, which was kind of like a sci-fi future fantasy kind of comic book. He liked the losers, which was like a World War II style comic.

And one day he was working in a restaurant and he met a waitress that he liked. They decided to move to Massachusetts together. That is fast. Yeah, pretty fast, right? I mean, how big was his tip? Very big. Yes. Would you like to visit any dessert?

Oh, sorry, he was working in the restaurant. Okay. I was also imagining he was just... Yeah, sure. He sorry, he was working in the restaurant. Okay. They worked. I was also imagining he was a customer. Be sure. He definitely said he was working. Okay. Because the first thing I thought was the nanny thing. He was working in a diner and I was like, I'm off.

Yeah, was it flashing coins? It was Paul and Main. He was working in a diner in Paul and Main. He kind of worked. He kind of worked, right? It's not bad. And so when he moved to Massachusetts, the romance didn't work out so much.

But when he was there, he discovered, there was like a piece of street press. It was called SCAT Magazine. Oh, Jess, you're being honest. Just love SCAT. You're not a love SCAT. What? You're on your big SCAT fan.

No, I love SCAT. Oh, SCAT. I'm sorry, how do SCAT sound again? Do it me the map map map map. But you never had a SCAT. I don't know what SCAT is. But she is doing a poo. I love scars. Oh, sorry. How does scar sound again? Doop, doop, doop, doop, doop, doop, doop, doop, doop. But she's never had a scar. I don't know what scar. But she is doing a poo.

Oh, goodness. So anyway, Scat Magazine was kind of like, you know, alternative street press and they have cartoons and funny little articles and stuff like that. And it was like, this is perfect. I'm gonna go to them. And I'm gonna show my portfolio

and I'm just gonna get a job there. This is gonna be terrific. So he showed up at the doorstep of SCAT Magazine and it turned out that immediately prior they'd completely changed their business model. So instead of like doing funny articles and cartoons and stuff and then having it being supported by advertising, it turned out they could just make more money like designing people's advertising. So they just switched, they were like, we're not going to make the magazine anymore, we're just going to be an advertising

company called SCAT. This is seconds before he arrived. That's it. We're not longer to do this cartoony thing. Knock, knock, knock. And so, yeah, so it was like, okay, fine, but they were like, look, we like your portfolio that was kind of weird. Cartoony stuff. You should meet this guy Peter Leid. He's done some work for us before. And so they gave him his details and he called us dude up and he's like, oh, hey, you know, I was recommended We meet up and we can work together kind of thing. And so he goes over to Peter Leid's house and Peter Leid's house It's like filled with like toys and comic books and artwork and stuff like that and the first thing you see sort of Priter place in the center of the apartment is like a original Jack Kirby piece of artwork from the losers.

I'm one of his favorite comic books of all time and he's like, wow. Well, this is gonna work, yeah. And they kind of, they really got along as friends and then sort of some are ended and Eastman's like, well, I gotta go back to Maine. And then a couple of months later, lead called him up and he's like, hey, listen,

I got married. And I moved. I was having some cake at a diner. I met another way, Tris. And then one thing led to another. Anyway, I moved to a bigger house. It's got room for a studio in it. How about this?

You move with, move into a spare room. Not nothing weird, but just move in his spare room and we can hang out and we can kind of work together and we'll see if we can come up with something. And he was like, okay, that sounds pretty good. They got together and they created a company called Mirage Studios. It was called Mirage because there wasn't anything to it.

It was just, it was just like, they made up let ahead and stuff like that, but it was basically just them in the living room. Like working on the couch. I know that name. Do I know it because of Ninja Turtles? You might, too. Is there any other concept of a morage?

Oh, no, that's it. Yeah, that could be it. Yeah, yeah. Did they go on and do anything? Well, you probably talked about that. Oh, yes. Okay. Did you just show them?

Did you just show them? Did you just show them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. shut up, Matt? I was just saying what some of the listeners were saying. Someone at home is like thinking, shush so hard that it made me say it. Well done.

That's powerful. Yeah, so basically they did. And they were like, they were like, okay, well, maybe we'll create some characters, maybe we'll create some work, we'll kind of sell it to Marvel, sell it to DC, or something like that. And in the meantime, what they did is they created,

the first thing they created was like a zine called gobbly-gook. Do we all know what a zine is? It's like, it's like, it's short for magazine. Yeah, but it's like a- It's a photo copy. Yeah, it's basically that. It's kind of, you know, you create some art work

and some articles or whatever and you just photocopy it and staple it together and you give it away. You know, alternative books or something. So it's got a self published. Yeah, self published. And so they created, they were working hard on that. They came up with an issue with that and it had a character in it called Fugitoid who was a fugitive Android.

Uh-huh. Hence the name and it had some, you had some art gallery samples and stuff like that, they thought they might be would shop around. And they had one day they had a big day working on their zine and just hanging out at home and they decided, okay, we're going to take a little time off, we're going to relax and zone out. And Peter Leeds' favorite activity when he wanted to not focus on work was to watch some bad TV.

So watch the A-Team or like TJ Hoker Hoku or something like that and just focus solely on that and just concentrate. And Eastman's favorite activity when he wanted to relax was to annoy Peter Lear and knock him out of it. And just do anything he could to distract him and annoy him. And so apparently that day he just had like a stray thought and it was, what if Bruce Lee was an animal, what would be the worst animal he could do? That's the genesis. He just had this thought and he's like, well, a turtle.

Like of course, because that's, you know, it's awkward and weird and slow and you flip it over and it's back and it's done. You can't imagine with a shell on the back they'd be all that agile, you know? Yeah, for sure, yeah. Unlike Bruce Lee, the greatest martial artist has ever lived.

Quite agile. Arguably. Arguably. Arguably. He's an agile man. So what he did is he just got out one of his sketch pads and he just drew like a really kind of awkward standing up on its hind legs turtle with like a mask on. I think

I might have a piece of... So is the A team still playing this whole time? The A team is playing. That's the... they were soundtrack by the A team. Or the LJ hooker commercial. Yeah, exactly. Oh, here we go. So he just basically drew this figure. That's the first one here. This is good for the bloody listeners. And he just... And he just is like, well, you're in charge all that much.

Well, that's true. I mean, they get, they get certainly more anthropomorphic over these, but he's got these little mask on. He's got his little nunchucks. Yeah. And that cracked, cracked Peter Leard up. So he basically drew this one. He's like, all right, good work.

And he drew another one, which is a little more sort of, so they both put the same artist there. Sorry, I wanted one job. That's Peter Leard on on the left and that's yeah so that's Kevin Eastman on the left that's Peter lead on the right I've got to tell you that Peter lead did a less good job yeah let me have a go he was just trying to watch TV yeah exactly it looks like he devolved the drawer looks like the other way around the the second ones of the sketch and the first one is like around the second ones of the sketch and the first one is like more beautiful. And not to be done, Kevin Eastman then was like, all right, if we're going to do this and he created four ninja turtles with all their sort of individual weapons and he

created this little four piece ninja turtles here. He wrote ninja turtles. He drew this up and then Peter led was like, okay, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Man, that's awesome. That's the genesis of the character. Wow. And so the idea was that every word in this represented like a hot trend in comic books at the time. So I was kind of like, let's see how many stupid trends we can fit in. So like mutants with the X-Men who were hot at the time. Teen Ages DC had a team called the new Teen Titans, which was like Robin's superhero team,

bloody turtles. There were a lot of funny animal books and like in kind of independent comics circles, there was a character called Seribus who was like a medieval ad-vac kind of character. He was like the most popular independent comic character at the time. So they're like, keep the turtles in funny animal character.

And of course ninjas, which is kind of, you know, that's Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee and ninjas agility. Ninjas are always cool. And what is that word at the top represent? That's a mystery to this day. Like nobody knows the answer to that. Ted.

Ted. Ted. Ted. Ted, he knows which to do. Yeah. Gotcha, gotcha. Sorry. Some question. This sketch was sold at auction many years later for $71,000. Wow.

That's a bit of a whips that up. Just like that. They're just hanging out on the couch, chatting, making it to the laugh and they made that. And they made that as a joke. And at some point it goes bloody beyond a joke. So they've got very different drawing styles, obviously. Yeah, Eastman is more kind of gritty and lead was more kind of sci-fi, maybe, maybe a Kirby

influence, but yeah, and so speaking of ninjas, that's probably the biggest point. Like, at the time, Daredevil was a big, it was a huge comic book at the time. There was a guy called Frank Miller, who is a writer and artist, and he basically put a new spin on Daredevil, the Marvel character. It was kind of goofy, like a kind of a goofy, like a lot of Marvel characters, kind of goofy and kind of hokey. And he put this sort of n injury spin to this character. So if you don't know the origin of Daredevil, he's like a, he's a, he's a young man and he sees this old blind guy walking across the road and this guy's about to get hit by a car. And so he, he jumps and pushes the guy out of the way. And as he does that, this canister of toxic waste like falls off the back of a truck and hits him in the eyes. And he goes out like a light and when he wakes

up, he's gone blind, but all these other senses are kind of super enhanced. And the Ninja Turtles origin in the comic books, it was a couple of steps to the right. In the Ninja Turtles origin, that same thing happens, except after it hits the kid in the face, the canister then bounces off and it crashes into a kid who's holding a terrarium of turtles and the whole toxic waste turtles mash up falls in down into a sewer. And they also run it and it splashes also want to a rat. And they become the mutagen, the ants transforms into the teenage. So Splinter was there from the start. In the original comic book, yes, yes, he was.

They made some changes for cartoons later, but he was. Yeah, in the films they had splinter was he was he morphed from a he was the pet rat of a karate expert. Yes, that's the say. So in the Nijitsu, so in the, this isn't just any rat. This is the pet rat. This is the pet rat of Hamato Yoshii, who was a ninja master from Japan. And he was in love with a woman called Tang Shen, and he had a romantic rival in the form of a man named Orokunagi. And he killed the man in a duel, and then he had to flee Japan and he had to come to America.

And then he was followed behind by a man named Orokusaki, who was Orokunagi's brother, who then killed him and the woman, that Orokusaki being, of course, the shredder, the classic ninja turtles villain. But then when the mutagen got on this rat, he of course remembered and he was like, well, I'd better raise up these turtles as ninja to masters, when the mutagen got on this, this rat, he of course remembered. Yeah. And he was like, well, I better raise up these turtles as Ninja Tzu masters. So we can exact revenge on the shredder. Yeah. Makes sense, right?

Yeah, of course. That's what I thought. If I was a rat, I would want to exact revenge. Yeah. On my master's killer. Yes, the shredder. Yeah. By teaching some turtles.

Turtles. Ninja Tzu. Ninja Tzu, yeah. Exactly. The ultimate dance. Exactly. Yeah. By teaching some turtles. Ninja to. Yeah. Exactly. The ultimate dance. Exactly. And so in in Daredevil, in the in the 1980s storyline, Daredevil, some ghost from his past, remote, his master stick, who was another blind man who had like supernatural powers, Donna Taylor ended up using him. Exactly. And then the stick brought him back into a battle with a ninja gang turned international crime syndicate called the hand. So in the ninja turtles universe, we obviously have splinter. That's the master of the ninja turtles who battle the ninja gang turned crime syndicate

the foot clan. Right. So instead of sticking that hand at splintering the foot. Yeah, exactly. That's pretty, that's basically satire. It's a little bit of satire, isn't it? I don't, to be honest, I don't really know what that means. Well, I love saying it. I think this is satire. I think it might be satire.

So basically, they were like, I think there's something in this, like this dumb ridiculous thing, this concept. And so what they did is they, over the next couple of months, they wrote a 40 page comic that detects the 10-h, Ninja Turtles, which had that storyline in it. And basically what they did is they got, one of them got a tax return, one of them emptied the money out of their bank account, one of them got a loan from his uncle, and they together, they got about two grand grand together and two grand at the time

Would buy you about three thousand like black and white Copies of a this this comic book. Wow, and they were like okay. What we'll do is we'll we'll sell some at you know Conventions and we'll you know We'll we'll sell some to comic book shops and stuff like that. We'll see how we go What they also did is because Peter led worked for for very, but I haven't mentioned this, but Peter Lead worked for newspapers for a long time. He did newspaper cartoons. He sold like illustrations to T.S.R. who Dungeons and Dragons at the time. And he was pretty savvy. What connection? Yeah, he was pretty savvy in terms of like how to get your brand out there. And so they created

a media kit. It was like four pages, which I've reproduced for you. Oh, cool. Good for the listeners. Right. You've got a showbag, you know. A brutal showbag, right? A big one, right? And it's basically, it's like a little piece of,

a little summary of the Ninja Turtles adventures. The story unfolds at the four turtles. Embark an apparelist mission to confront this warn for the malevolent shredder who will prevail. Publication date, the first issue of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and set for May 1, 1984 and then his cover price and blah, blah, blah. And then it contains like, and like a more refined version of the classic Ninja Turtles look there. It's so funny because that, that looks like the drawings my brother used to do of the Ninja Turtles.

And I was always like, he hasn't done a great job. But now I realize he's actually just, he's drawn the originals. Yeah, well, man, and I should call him. I'm a politician. I'm a politician. I live on air, but locked over. He was going to be an artist until he came over.

He's actually pretty good. But I realized that now. Until you crushed his dreams. He makes his art with wood now. Yeah, he does. So he's a little advertisement for the Portsmouth New Hampshire Mini Con, the comic convention, whether we're going to debut the Ninja Turtles. And he's a little full-color artwork that he might airbrush on a van. That would look like a wood wooden brush set on a van. From right at the beginning, they had that shredded design. Wow, shredded look, he didn't change all that much from there.

He looks badass. Yeah, he looks way better there than he does in the Michael Bay films. That is from almost a lecture. Where his suit is made of swords basically. Have you seen it? They're like spring action sword. Yeah, it's real silly. It's real silly, as opposed to this, which is real cool.

So what they did is they took this media kit and they sent it to a 180 radio and TV stations. They sent it to the associated press. They sent it to all these news outlets. And it was basically like, this is the newest home property. Everybody get on board with the bloody ninja turtles and then they all started going, well, this is the newest home property everybody get on board with the bloody Ninja Turtles and then they all started going maybe this is a bloody hop probably should get on board with the bloody Ninja Turtles. I and Kevin Eastman said when we sent out all these press releases, Pete's idea,

we ended up getting tons of free press. I think it had always had to do with the name. I mean most people would see it and try to say it and after they picked it up, it ended up going home with them somehow. I think most of it had to do with the right place at the right time. I think we came out with something people wanted to see at that time. Or even there was more luck going on than I thought. Anyway, and so... I honestly thought you about the time of the Senate, 180 press kits and heard nothing.

Oh no, they heard so much. They really got some heat on this and it turned out they had these 3,000 issues and they sold them all, which is pretty good. I mean, they gave some way to the famed friends and family and stuff like that. And it was kind of like, people, you know, a lot of family members were like, oh, it's so cute you're doing this. Isn't this fun little nice thing? It's got the vibe of just a real easy success story. Everything just, there's no being no struggle at all.

Yeah, I was hoping that they were not going to be able to sell any of the copies of it. I was hoping that at least hate each other, but they seemed like really good bells. They're still tight. They're still tight. They're still tight. There's certainly somethings are more important than that. No, tanks, like buying a tank, and driving around a tank. Seven Ferrari's better than your tank.

Yeah, that's right. It seems, it does seem like if this or Superman was laughed out of town, you would have assumed to be this. But it was. Yeah, absolutely, right? But the, I guess Superman was just the ninja turtles of his day. Absolutely. It's a man who's an alien on and his planet explodes.

Not that could hurt him, but it's a slide. Apart from green rolls. All right, mate. you've had it. You've had it. Give it a good try. This is a bunning store, sir. All right, hey, all along. There's always one of those.

No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. What's your order at this McDonald's drive-through, sir? Oh, yes. And then he got off the bus, and I was like, Dad! But my question is, why was he talking to the McDonald's drive through about a Superman idea that doesn't make much sense. Yeah, yeah, to get point. Yeah, I mean, he talked about it to your friends maybe or not. Not a person you don't know. Matt gets enough people not understanding his jokes on Twitter. Oh, sorry. I get enough of this at

home. When you're on the couch reading your Twitter or post Yeah, if anyone is on my Twitter everything I say is not real Okay, so he's definitely not doing any gigs coming up wait apart from the plugs Plugged this is here everyone's genuine is being silly when he said thanks for coming out last night really hates you all Yeah, that's right So then they ordered another 6000 copies because they're they're like, well, we're still got orders coming in for these ones, from companies and people who just want to buy it. And so they ordered another 6,000.

Those sold as well. Dave, take note, this is moving units. Do you understand now? I mean, press releases if you've put out to TV and radio stations. No, you've got to get Perth only respects media kids. Yeah, exactly. No one's putting tickets if they're not receiving a media kit first. Mm-hmm.

Da, sorry. Come on, man. So, no, they sold these 9,000 issues. Amazing. And after they paid their uncle back and they paid for some bills and etc. They made like a couple of hundred bucks each. And they're like, incredible, amazing. What a way, what a way. Oh, the best couple of hundred bucks each and they're like Incredible amazing. What are we? There's a what are what are what yeah and their parents are like oh

That's great, but you're never own a tank Yeah, I'll prove you wrong mum That's what my mum says just weird She's always every time I speak to her on the phone. She's like, oh yeah, what are you up to? How's work has this very around and as we say goodbye, I'm like, love your mom, she goes, you'll never own a tank. Beep. You like what kind of tank mom?

Like a fish tank? I can get one. I'll get one tomorrow. Other kind of third kind of tank. I'm the tank. Gas tank. Gas tank. You kind of do.

How? Where? Tell me. You can. since I'd colon. Oh my god Yes, I take that any colon is just as Otherwise to be very confused Put a tank in it Column let me access your guest That's what I call my butt me access you guest. That's what I call my butt.

So that was May of 84. And then Eastman had to go back to work at the restaurant to pay some more bills and etc. And then they took a little hiatus. I think they took about eight months off. The next issue didn't come out till 1985. Striking while they are. That is a while. As reading that, I'm just like, imagine being like, this

is a miracle what we've done here. Incredible. Should we strike while the iron's up? No. No, no, no, no. I'm going to go back to work. We wrote the other one in about three days. Oh, eight months for the next one. Imagine if we could do a podcast every eight months. Oh, the dream. Wait, in between us? Can I also only do one every eight months. Oh, the dream. Wait, between us, can I also only do one every eight months? Yeah. Yeah, nice. That's the spirit. They put out, does anyone have orders for the second issue?

And they got 15,000 orders for this one. Whoa! They crunched some numbers. And they were like, okay, so if we release like six a year and they get at least 15,000, like that's, we can live off compies. I don't have to work at the restaurant. Exactly. And they, yeah, so I love those kind of numbers.

Yeah, when you like hang on. Oh my god. They said it in three. They did four issues the year. They got 15,000 copies of the first printing of number two. They got a recilithetation of number one. That's all 30,000 copies. Then they had a first solicitation of number three, which is 50,000 copies.

And they were, it was jumps. It was pretty, pretty wild. They said, I think they said, look, it's going to, Peter lead, I think, said at the time, okay, what's going to pay? It's going to pay our bills and keep, keep us in, you know, keep us in macaroni and cheese and pencils. Oh. Which peter lead eats?

Yeats pencils. Oh. Oh, HB. HB? HB, exactly. Imagine, because they were sort of like, all right, if we can sell 15,000, yeah.

We'll be okay. Yeah. And they're selling 50. Yeah. That's sick. It's probably almost the best business plan you can have is doing a zeitgeistie pop culture thing for a generation.

Oh, for sure. If you take it to that, you know. If you teach someone to do a pop culturey zeitgeistie thing once, and you know, you'll feed your family for a day. Yeah. But if you get a pop culture, yeah, teach someone a whole generation

to be into your site, guys, your pop culture. Your bi-tanks for a lifetime. Exactly. Because it means that not only, because it's not just big for the time, because I was thinking, oh, you've sold these comic books, but there's no guarantee they were later,

but they grow up and then they want movies, you know, as they get older, they want movies, they want adult movies, you know, porn versions. I mean, like, you know, not kids, not kids moot. Dave, can you think of a porn title? You're good at that. Oh, yeah, you used to do that all the time, like three years ago. We've let that segment slide.

All right. Sorry to put you on the spot too. You can have a moment to film. There's so many words to work with. The teenage, etc. I was just, teenage, I was about to say, it's just emphasis on the teenage. Pain age, surely.

He's coming for you, territory. I am. And we can still keep with secret of views. That's the thing. You don't have to do it. It's still great. Secret of the boobs. Oh.

We just changed Ninja to Ninja. Okay, so what do we have to do? So, pain age, uh, poot, poot, No, I'm using time. Poot, poot, poot. And then squirtle, squirtle, yeah nice. Nice, yeah, right.

I mean, that's hot. That is the hotness. If that hasn't already been made, I'd be very surprised. But you know what I mean? Because now, like, movies are going to be made forever about this franchise, and I'll just keep collecting checks. I think there'll always be something, yeah, yeah, yeah. Although, again, like, I think we've moved past this main here.

Like, I think at this point, it's just like, it's kind of a property, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a kind of a property, you know. People know the transform as well in digital, so it's kind of a kind of a vibe. So how they work together is they would, the Eastman would have like a general outline for the plot, and then they would get down to,

they would work together, they would flesh out the issue, basic beginning, middle, and end. Eastman would do the breakdowns and the layouts, and then Pete would go through and say okay edit this, change this, fix the spelling because he was that guy. That's an important guy. Well exactly, that's right. And then they would basically take, they would get their plots together and they'd basically take half the stack age, sometimes at random and just kind of start panselling. So they would like do half and half of any given issue, which is, wow.

Yeah, I wasn't the artware assistant enough. I think so, I think they, well, you know what I'm bloody, yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, that's a great question. Because when they did those initial drawings, we could tell one was different. Whoa, Mesa is just handing out more from the show bag.

These are the original issues, are they? No, these are reprints from the, maybe the late 80s. No, these are originals. Oh, okay, those are the show bag. These are the original issues are they? No, these are these are reprints from the maybe the late 80s. No, these are originals. Oh, okay, those are the originals. Are these worth more than my car? I doubt it very much. Are these worth more than my life? Oh yeah, there's somewhere in the middle there. Yeah. Just as life and then there's then there's that's good. These are cool. And whenever I see a comic I'm like I understand why people would like these. They're pretty. They're dynamic. So colorful. Look at all the stuff going on.

But I will note that all foreign intertittles have the same color mask. I was thinking I'm coming. When did that come in? Well, actually, so the original intertittles comics are all black and white. These have been colorized, as you can probably tell. Oh, but yeah, unlike cover images and stuff like that, they all had red band-owners, yes. There's a couple trying to get it on in this one. Oh, there we go.

Where the man, he's not wearing a shirt. He says, come on, hun. Cagney and Lacey is over. Let's dot, dot, dot. Oh, hello. And then she says, oh, hub. We might wake the kids. Tee hee.

So some of this is a little bit juvenile, but at the same time, it's a little bit more adult than what most people know of the Ninja Turtles because this is kind of like, this was a couple of men in their 20s making a silly kind of joke comic that they were also taking quite seriously. And it was kind of like, well this is what we would like to read kind of thing. I feel're also taking quite seriously.

And it was kind of like, well, this is what we would like to read kind of thing. I feel like DeRale the whole podcast, you guys are just gonna be thinking, so no, stop. Don't stop. Look at that. I just, you know, that was right.

They're very pretty. In the next frame did the pain age, punty ninja squirtles come in and kick in the gear? Yeah. Tee hee. Tee hee. That's one of their catchphrases. mentioned ninja squirtles come in and kick in the gear. Yeah. Teehee. Teehee. That's one of their catchphrases.

But yeah, is that so? I actually, I've got a big canvas print at home, ninja turtles. Oh, yes. And they all also all had red bandanas in it. And I'm like, I'd, we'd my brother gave it to him because it's something we share, right? It's one of the few. Because I'd have him trying to...

Re-canet. And... Oh, yeah. And thank you for giving up the first pick all this year. Yeah, maybe that's what I was. And finally, you know, after 20 years, we reconciled. Oh, okay, you did, that's my. Yeah. I'd like to imagine you opening that canvas

and then saying, no. Give me the figurines, boy. I'm a grown man. But in that painting, they all had red bandanas like the artwork here. That's the classic Ninja Turtle, yeah. Right, I didn't realize that. Anyway, I've painted over them with the right colors. Have you really?

Oh my God. You're kidding. No, I'm not. You just doubled the value of that band. So with this success, I came a little bit of kind of licensing. There was like some some some people came to them with various offers. Like there was some little pewter figurines. They got put in a role playing game called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and other strangeness. There was like t-shirts and bits and pieces like that. But these guys,

Eastman and Lead were quite wise in that they remembered the story of Siegel and Schuster and Bill Finger and whoever else I mentioned on previous podcasts that really screwed out of a lot of stuff. And because they were like, you know, kind of independent comics guys,'ve, you've, stuff. I'm, maybe, you know, we'll give you some tie-in toys or whatever. And we'll take 90% of the profits and blah, blah, blah. They'll like, listen, we're making enough money off this. We're making, you know, we're making a couple of grand, a few granted. In an issue, we're doing fine. And you've seen quite slimy. So we're not gonna, we're basically not gonna slimy.

Normally, you'd think turtles would be into that. Oozzy boys. It's in fact, Eastman and lead, but human men, I didn't, I don't know. Oh, oh, oh, this isn't based on their real lines. The and Laird were human men. I don't know if I mentioned that. This isn't based on their real lines. The theater of the mind is entirely changed. Yeah, I know, right? The characters came down.

If you'd like to feature... Oh, I see. Well, yeah. Kevin Eastman in this era looked like a little bit like... Grange shell. Exactly. Grange shell looks like John Oaks, like mustache and a mullet kind of look. Oh.

He's John Oaks. From Hollow Nights. Okay. And how many Oates do I know? Just the one, it's probably not him. Who could just run there? Who could run there? And Peter Led was a nice young man. Was more of a Darryl Hall type?

No, not really. More of your stereotypical nerd. Okay. More of a day. I tell the two Kevin Eastman is kind of more the more kind of like, your stereotypical nerds. Oh, yeah, more of a day. Tell the two Kevin Eastman is kind of more the more kind of like they're reportedly very nice if you ever made them. They'll answer all your questions and they're very happy to talk about any aspect of the

love to me, but Kevin Eastman's much more kind of regarious and kind of like, you know, he's more excited about the biz and Peter Lerd's kind of more like like he's kind of kind of shine retiring. And he'll, are you gonna make it? Oh, come on. That's awesome, man. Basically, can you make the happen? Oh, make some calls.

That'll funny for the movie if I said it. You're gonna put it out in the universe. Wait, wait. The secret of the meat and the group. I'm sure. That's a young thing. Well, we are pretty big in the comic book world. You can make that happen surely.

I probably figure out where they live. You know, okay. I mean, I could just look for a really big garage and get a tank in it. Yes. And a ski field around it. And a ski field, yeah. Yeah.

But anyway, they decided that they would be kind of like, they would be in control of their own destiny. And they'd always have like final say on everything that they would be kind of like they would be in control of their own destiny and they'd always have like final say on everything that they put together and they wouldn't give away control of anything. But at one point I'll let Jesper chop. Oh my god. Oh my god. Okay, then I'll just barrel through, shall I? In 1986, they were approached by a guy who they felt was still a little bit slimy.

His name is Mark Friedman. He owned a company called Surge Licensing, which is a... Just licensing already makes it sound like. Oh, we just come around and lost some of the people stuff. Yeah, we don't have to create anything. Well, kind of, you know, and he's like, okay, well, I'm different from everybody else. I've heard about you through like a toy company and you've got a little heat on you. So I'm going to bring, come in and extinguish some of that.

I extinguished some of that. I'm flying exactly. That's right. And they were like, listen, all right. John Hoaster on fire. They were like, you know, all right, fine. We don't, we don't think anything's going to come, you know, up with this, but come in anyway, kind of thing.

And they, and he came over to their house, which at the time were they were painting. So he showed up in like a thousand dollars suit, and they were like in paint splatters, like shorts and t-shirts. And he's like, this is, what are you doing? This is not professional. This is not professionalism.

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And he's like, look, I can make you millions, blah, blah, blah, the kind of standard spill. And they were like, okay, look, if you think you can really do something with the Ninja Turtles, we'll give you 30 days. And so they got a paper napkin and they wrote a 30 day non-exclusive contract on the napkin. And they were basically like, see what you can find. I mean, these people print comics for a living and they can't find a piece of paper. Well, that's, I mean, that stuff's expensive. That, that, that, that, that comic stock is like, it's like $22. It makes. Well, you can make me millions, right?

Get the napkins. And so in 30 days, he did, he got, he got letters of interest from various people he got letters of interest from a place called Playmates Toys, which was a toy company. Is the adult toys, what do you think? You think so, but no, it's just a regular toy company. In fact, they're, their marketer to children 428. Oh, it's just specific. Yeah, I just 428.

And so they flew to California and have a meeting with these guys. And basically, they were like, okay, we've looked at your work and we like turtles. Oh, no. Who doesn't? But there's a little bit of stabbing and explosions and etc. I don't think we can build a toilet line around that, but tell you what a toilet line. Yeah, toilet line.

What I said, yes. We don't think we can build a toilet line or a toilet line. I'd love to made it. So they would like, listen, get a, basically get a, get a cartoon deal, get an animation deal. And then we'll talk and see what we can do. And so they did. They were like, they basically went to an animation company and they were like, it's,

it was, now it's called Fred Wolf films. And they were basically like, we got some heat on this toy car. Like we cartoon, comic toys. What can you do for us? And so they sort of together they developed a toy line in conjunction with comic book, with a cartoon series, which is kind of like the standard situation. Now I think you know, you use the cartoon to disprove the toys kind of thing. Yeah. And like, they came up with, they were like, okay, you know, we've got notes from the toy

company, more mutants. You've got a Chuck Moore Mutants, and so they created B-Bop and Rocksteady. Oh, right. They, they, there's a storyline quite early on in one of these ones where the ninja turtles encounter the utroms, who are like an alien race, and they're like a brain, like a disembodied brain with a face, and eyes, and they're like benevolent scientists race and they're like a brain, like a disembodied brain with a face and eyes and they're like benevolent scientists, but they like turn that into a villain so they created Crang, you know, who's the brain in the,

just brain in the suit, you know, that whole thing kind of thing. And they cleaned up the origin a little bit, instead of, you know, this being some sort of love triangle murder situation with splinter and shredder and blah blah blah. They're just like, just say he was a man, Ahamato Yoshihima was a man and he was kind of shamed in Japan and then he moved to America and then he was turned into a mutant. But that sounds so much more simple.

Yeah, exactly. So they reversed it. They're like, okay, well, he's a man who got turned into a rat. And then you have like a end game for the cartoon, which is like, well, maybe one day he'll become a man again kind of thing. You know, maybe Ninja Turtles can help him out with that kind of thing. But can the turtles ever become a man? I think they probably have. Because I love when they go undercover and wear the trench coat and the hat. I think that was the plot of the last Ninja Turtles movie. It was like, maybe we can become human people, man. What do you want to your turtle? Let's see. Yeah, and you eat pizza.

Oh, that's right. They love pizza. They love it. Okay. Okay. So they also demanded a few changes. They're like, we've got to simplify this. Again, less blood. What have you? Is there any way you can differentiate any of the turtles? Okay. We'll give them different colored masks. We'll give them a little belt buckle. It's got their first initial on it. So I have that. Can they love pizza? Can they have catch phrases? Can they say cowbunga? Can they say... Were they always renaissance artists from the start? Yes. The plan originally was to give them Japanese names because of the whole ninjitsu thing. And they couldn't figure out names that sounded realistic or, I mean, there's

ninja turtles, but still, they couldn't find names that seemed right so instead they went to a book of Renaissance artists and they were like pixel names out of that kind of thing so there were always. And then was the story that Splinter was an art fan or something and he named them? I feel like that was the story and I think a lot of the origin I'm remembering is the first Jim Henson company movie or whoever that was but Jim Henson did the past. That was Jim Henson, yeah. And I think that was, I think that's what it was. Splinter was the pet rat in the film.

He wasn't the pet rat any more. He got news. Yeah. And then the turtles were turtles and they were near. Well, yeah, so the, yeah, what was it? The turtles, the turtles more from turtles in the human turtles. And the rat was rat into mutant rat. No one went human into animal. No, not only work that way in the cartoons. And then they eliminated B-Bop and Rocksteady from that

movie series as well. Did they sort of try and go back to the comics? Yeah, the first movie was kind of a mishmash of the original comic books with some elements. So a lot of the story elements in these comic books here are in the movie. So like there's a scene where like Rafi, I'll get beaten quite badly and then I have to escape to a farmhouse and all this sort of stuff.

Yeah. That's in these, but they also, they made some concessions for like the kids who knew the cartoons. Right, the colors. The same. They love pizza, they say Cal Bunga, etc. But by all accounts, Peter Lead hated all this. He actually created Bebop and Rocksteady.

But taking the piss almost, it feels like they're also one of the dumbest animals you would enter bad guys. What hog and a rhino. Rhino, exactly. And he hated the, like, they got final saying a lot of this stuff, but they were also like, kept getting presented with all these ideas and they eventually have to start saying yes to some of them. Right. And, you know, and they kind of hated that,

you know, every episode of the Ninja Turtles cartoon was kind of the same. And it went for 10 seasons. I was not aware, it went for nine years that the car turned. And they had it that shredder and crang and then the bad guys were also bumbling and it was also kind of childish and kind of dumb,

but. This children's car turned. You know what I'm saying? That's right. That's why I loved it. Well, exactly. And people did. And people loved the car turn and people loved the merch.

I have some figures here. By 1988, the Ninja Turtles merchandising had made $175 million. Wow. And are they still in their 20s at this time? Yeah. Peter Lads in his early 30s and Eastman is in his late 20s. That's like it must be a weird thing to be collecting money from this thing you hate. Yeah. You could you could have put a software and you probably still could reverse some of these. Yeah, I wonder, yeah, like, again, I think they could, but again, it was this situation, and I think you build an empire around

you, and then there's all these people sort of relying on you. So like, at a certain point, the Ninja Turtles comic book went far, I think 129 issues, but the Eastman and Leigh had only ever made 15. Like they only wrote Andrew 15 because at 15, they were so snowed under with admin for the Turtles empire that they couldn't do it anymore, like they couldn't, so they had to like hire more staff to write and draw. Did the fun stuff that they got into it? Exactly. Like they often referred to it as like they kept having to move further and further away

From the drawing board kind of thing and so yeah like they there were a hundred and something issues the vast majority of their output that they didn't even Right or draw all like they wrote some of it or they did some outlines when they had a chance They never really collaborated together again after the first 15. I should have gotten a bit more of a Stanley kind of, is it an idea you make this happen? You've got a role. I think they did a tiny little bit of that, yeah. 1989 brought in $350 million with it.

Nice. You were never born then, and they're already earning that money. You know what I mean? I'm so much catching up today. By 1994, which was the height of Turtle Mania. Okay, I'm alive by this point as well. I guess in short. So in total since the creation of the Ninja Turtles in 1984 till 1994, merchandise sales was $6 billion. So at that point like

that puts them up there with maybe maybe only Star Wars had beats them in terms of merchandise there I had no idea was this big. Oh, yeah, I mean they were like I guess it was big enough to get to me Which means yeah, right? Probably pretty big the toiline had something like 400 pieces in it like and man had most of them Yeah, well the body sounds well no Matt's brother had my Did he them up with some hair? He got three hundred and fifty. I think yeah I think we started with the turtles and then it would have been would have collected them over the years I don't I think he got both bebop and rocksteady in a future year Maybe when I was already too cool for that

Yeah, whatever I don't care shut up. I wasn't point when I tune out too confident But yeah, so like they kind of, I think also like of the two of them, Kevin Eastman was more like, I'm excited to see what people do with this. Like if somebody's going to, they're going to make a cartoon. I'd like to see how that turns out. Or like if somebody's going to make toys, it'd be, be cool to see that kind of thing. But I think, and I think an Eastman set at the time, something like, if people want to see what we did,

you can just look at the comics. They're out there. If you want to read them, you can find them. That's the work we did and we're proud of that work. But lead was also like, well, we put our names right at the top of every single one of these things and at some of it is garbage. And where, you know, we should...

Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. What a... It's such a weird thing to do a thing you make takes off and it feels great, but it ends up kind of ruining your life. Yeah, for sure, absolutely. What a weird scenario.

It really seems like succeeding sucks. Yeah, does feel that way. That's every story we've told about somebody succeeds, but it sucks at some point. Yeah. I don't think I'm it sucks at some point. Yeah. I don't think I'm ever going to do it. Yeah, I'm going to make that decision as well. That's all I've got. I'll never succeed.

Yeah, I've still got my... Stop by never trying. Yeah, look at my own 7 for ares in a tank. Okay. But it feels like you can do this and you could jump out if you wanted to. Yeah. You don't have to, they'd be pressures on, but you don't, yeah, you just have to keep some perspective.

I do just have to backtrack one sec. Dave, would you let me borrow one of the Ferraris? Yeah. It's a really good question. Okay. What for? The red one. What do you need it for?

You just go shops. Wow. Yeah, for sure. Come around. Brow the Ferrari. Thank you, Dave. I like it. With six backups.

Yeah, cool. Can I take the red one? Yeah. Well, they're all red. I'm not a idiot. And if I have black six backups? Yeah cool. Can I take the red one? Yeah, while they're all red. I'm not an idiot. And buy a black... Can you even buy a different colors? I'm gonna buy a black Ferrari.

Come on guys. I buy a black Ferrari. They're the badass ones. I'm really... Red ones are for the bloody show-offs. Yeah, good, good, good. Yeah, people that are showing off in their Ferrari. Yeah.

I'll get a nice sophisticated humble black Ferrari please. I don't think it is, it's not, I mean, they want the opposite effect, but it is not possible to see someone in Ferrari, not think what a flapping tool. Exactly. Flapping tool. Flapping tool. So, Turtle Mania, so that's $6 billion. That like that that would have included you know all the toys obviously all the video games all the lunch boxes the cartoon obviously There was a there was a live stage show in 1990. Oh Yeah, I want to touch on Okay, that's where I draw the line. I would not lend myself to a musical. Are you hate musicals?

What about Buffy the musical episode once more with feeling? Didn't say that one but that does sound pretty fun. It is it's a good fun time What about the scrubs? One see the scrubs one pretty cool. Is that the one with Colin Hay? Yeah I can't feel like look for the space of pack. Yeah, you're welcome I think about the location. Got a bit of an idea about, I feel like Dave, just because he opens the show,

he probably likes him anyway. He's probably Ali and Ardo, probably. Yeah, okay. I like it. But outside of the studio, I think that falls away. Big time. We're not, Jess and I, when we're out of the room, we're not following your lead.

No, no. If anything, we're holding you up and dragging you along What we don't talk outside of the studio. I know well That's the weird part about it. Jess and I keep talking and then right you stop you sort of sort of start flopping Yeah, drive away in my Ferrari like a flapping tool and that's gonna catch you on a leave you on my so I think I'm I'm gonna say Leonardo is Dave. Yes That's gonna catch you on a leave you on my so I think I'm gonna say Leonardo is Dave. Yes Then so I can't I can't help but fear and listeners will probably disagree with this but inside the room Jess is the Raphael I

Which one of us is the nerd and which one of us is the party? I think they think you're really fun and happy Why would the listeners disagree with that? I think they think you're really fun and happy. But I'm the one who'll turn on a dime. Ah, cool, but rude. Yeah, they know. Did you have any of that in Turtle, yeah? Yeah. I know they do know.

I figured I thought that was our little secret. That's what I'm paying in the ass. Fun fact, and maybe you can judge if this is fun or not. That theme song was written by Chuck Lorraine. Oh, yeah. Fun fact and maybe you can judge if this is fun or not that that theme song was written by Chuck Lorraine. Oh Yeah, vocals by Chuck Lorraine famously That jingle was written by a man who then later created the show two and a half man about a jingle rider who is inexplicably

Irresistible to women. Oh, I didn't connect that together. Yeah, that's that's that's Interesting. They've had mentioned part of that fact But he didn't let me know about That he ended up making to an half men Oh, yeah, that's because I would never admit that I have watched enough to an half men to know what is actually But also the probably the most startling part of that fact is that his name is Chuck LaRae. Thank goodness you pronounced it I always say Chuck Law Chuck Lawry I never know Chuck Lawry Chuck LaRae sounds never know. I never know. Chuck the Ray sounds. All of a sudden, I like the guy.

No, do you know why I trust you, my mind? Why I trust you, Mesa? Because you are the Donutella or Paparazzi. Thank you. You do machine. I do machine. But he's also a, he's an, is any of party boy? No, that's all spin.

That's what he has spin. Oh. Maybe Michael Angelo is still spin as well. Oh my goodness. So surely you're the party boy then. You're literally drinking a beer right now. Well, sure. So that feels amazing.

It is mid strength. Pretty party boy to me. Yeah, but that's because you can drink more later. It's pretty party, yeah. How did you know? Did I tell you that already? To capitalize on the turtle's popularity, a concert tour is held in 1990,

premiering at Radio City, Musical in August the 17th. The coming out of their shells tour, featured live action, featured live action turtles, playing music as a band, Donatello keyboards, Leonardo, bass guitar, Raphael, drums and saxophone, Michael Angelo, guitar. Hang on, drums and saxophone.

Apparently, at a time, what a combination. Wild, right? Maybe he's got like a tube. You can sit down. Bra, bra, bra, bra, bra, bra, bra, bra, I'm guessing Leard is hating this more than anything. The world, right? Maybe he's got like a tube I'm guessing lad is hating this yeah more than anything on stage It's not the thing he hates the most we'll probably get to that okay on stage around a familiar plot line April O'Neill is kidnapped by the shredder and the turtles have to rescue here I'm really talked about April O'Neill, but she was kind of like what a yellow jacket. Yeah, that's that's for the cartoon

All right, was a reporter so she was in the cartoon. Oh That's for the cartoon. All right, was a reporter. So she was in the cartoon. That's also for the cartoon. Oh, so what are you doing? The director is a computer programmer, and she works for a scientist backstress document who creates the mouses which are like little pest control robots

that he's also using for crime. Right. And then she teams up with the tour. Is it? It seems cooler that she was a computer scientist. I think so. Yeah, I wonder why they, I guess it was just so because she was always reporting on crimes.

It was an easier thing to connect her to all episodes. I think so. I wonder why they, I guess it was just so because she was always reporting on crimes. It was an easier thing to connect her to all episodes. I think so, yeah. Because like in the comics, she's kind of like the normal point of view character. But most of the time she's just at home. Right. But in the cartoon, she's basically the fifth member. Well, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Most of the time. Most of the time. Yeah. In the comic books, it's later revealed that she was created by Magic Crystal. Okay. Okay. That's the best April and the day. Well, that's where all babies come from.

Yeah, absolutely. Anyway. That's a very cool hook. Concentred to it. Magic Crystal in my pants. Oh my God. Guys, we'll wake the kids. The theme of the theme.

Oh, Teehee. Should we pull out the theory? The story of the very bill Oh, Tee-hee. Oh, Tee-hee. Should we pull up on the tree? A very billi-ted-esque feel with the theme of the power and rock and roll literally defeating the enemy in the form of the shredder who only wrapped about how he hates music. No! So I to eliminate all music. My name is shredder and I'm here to say,

I hate your music. The two are sponsored by Peter Hart. I feel that's the most. Is, it's the umber thing. Is that the thing I had at the most? That's also not the thing they had at the most. The thing they had, Peter Led specifically had at the most was a series, a TV series from 1996 called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the next mutation, which

was created by Saban Enterprises. They created the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. And so this was a very Mighty Morphin Power Rangers style show. And it had a fifth turtle in it. And one of Peter Lear. Scrappy do. She is very much, she is considered the Scrappy do. A 10-H Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise.

So when Eastman, Scrappy is so annoying. Oh, hey. What's up, the fuck? I love you, Adam, let me outman, Scrap is so annoying. Oh, hey. What the fuck? Love you, Adam. Love you, Adam. What's the villain in one of the movies? I think you might have been.

Uh, you're amazing. Let's say yes. Yes. So, um, when Eastman and Leade, like, farmed out their, their stories to be written, you know, while they, while they concentrated 90% of their lives on running this gigantic empire, one of the rules, they gave them all these rules, and one of the rules was no more turtles. There's four turtles, and there's no more turtles, because they're not special,

you can just make another turtle. Sure, yeah. And another rule was no girl turtle. And the reason why- I mean, you only had to say no more turtles, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As well, just to say no more turtles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And as well, just to really make this clear. If you're gonna do another turtle, very soon. Or she shouldn't.

No. And her name should not be Clarissa. Oh. And the rule, I think, was cosy. They didn't like the idea of, I just put a bow on it and say it's a, you know, there's a girl version. It's like Ms. Pac-Man. Just put a bow on the top of the sake

of they're being a girl turtle. And this one's called Venus Demilo, and she was like, she had no arms. She had arms and boobs. She had, she was like a turtle boobs. Yeah, exactly, yeah. That's gonna be weird. And also, they copped some flag at the time as well,

because the ninja turtles, their names are like, their artists, their creators. But Venus Demilo is a creation. Like, she's just, she's their artists their creators, but Venus tomorrow is a creation Like she's just she's a work of art is what she is kind of she's an object is an object is what she is And I bet she had long eyelashes to think she probably didn't have who was that for Who is the sexy turtle? Yeah, I don't I assume that was just kind of they, oh, we want to market these toys to kids as well. We want girls as well as boys.

Yeah, right, that makes sense. That makes sense. A girl turtle, so girls can see themselves in it. Yeah. But who is it? It's it for the horny teenage boys. Who wants the sexy turtle? Yeah.

Answer me, Maceo. It was me. I knew it. I did. Busted. You walked right into my trap. I demanded it. I sent letters. It doesn't make a sexy turtle.

I've got to see this. That's so confusing. I'm obviously missing something and someone's at home has gone nuts actually. I don't think you are. Okay. Oh, actually. Yeah, but basically, Peter led especially, had it this because like the entire time they've been doing this for the, you know, the decade plus they've been doing it,

like people are coming up to them and being like, well if four turtles are good, five turtles is better. You know, just this idea of like, just more stuff and more toys and more appearances and more video games and blah, blah, blah, blah, and they're like, we can't. Nah. So with success,

there are things that are more important than money. For our race. Hmm, yeah. Time thinks you can't buy. Yeah, mothers validation. So with success there are things that are more important than money for our is Don't think you can't buy your mother's validation so Speaking of bloody There's a little oh yeah Yeah, no good right? Look at it legs. I think that might be like a fan art. Oh, okay, sorry apologize With success also came lawsuits. This and

delightful lawsuits. People I thought of the teen attribute Ninja Turtles first. Yeah. Oh my god. So this is from this is an intro interview with Kevin Eastman from the comics journal for in the late 90s. Apparently at any given moment they will have between 15 and 20 lawsuits going at any like at any time like that. So at that point you've just got a lawyer on retainer oh yeah they have so many lawyers there's so many lawyers for contracts there's so many lawyers for merchandising and licensing and apparently like every time somebody would create a new character like in their workshop they would have to buy it off

them and then they would have to you know arrange a royalty arrangement and then they would have to license it in every country in the world for every Medium so that have to be like okay, okay, okay If they're created a character for the comic books, we're gonna have to create we're gonna have to license it for TV and Movies and video games and board games and what have you and apparently like every time somebody created a character across 150,000 dollars and just in fees So that was like a bonus for the artist? No, that was that was that was lawyer fees.

That was lawyer fees. Lawyers were loving that. Lawyers were loving it. But basically what would happen is if you created a character for the comic books, they basically gave you an option that were like, OK, you can either own that character because it's yours. And we'll give you royalties when we print the comic books.

And we'll give you a credit on the comic books or whatever. Or if you give the ownership to us, we'll give you 50% of the royalties for their character forever. Wow. Which was basically like, if they, and this was basically the safe time. Yeah. Like if we own it, we can license it out easier. And we'll just give you royalties forever kind of thing. And what's so that.

That feels like the better deal. Yeah, right. Because they're also going to be more likely if the company own it, they're more likely to use it rather using your character. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was a, there's a couple of people who hold out for whatever reason. But most people like, yeah, that's, that's really good deal. That sounds like they, um, uh, uh, they're layered and Eastman were, they'd learnt the lessons of the past. They didn't want to rip off. Exactly.

They didn't want to rip off others. It became extraordinarily complicated, but yeah, they were basically like, we can't be, we can't be those guys. Yeah. And again, I think also, if they did give control of all their stuff to somebody else, or like a large corporation, then all of a sudden, that is what's happening. Right. It's just another Marvel or DC.

Yeah. They were actually, they were, they were, they got a meeting with Marvel at one point. And Marvel were like, how about you, that model had at the time that a creative, a creator owned imprint called Epic, and they were like, happy you bring the turtles on, we'll give you a, you know, it's, it's, you know, it's a hand-painted art and bloody, bloody, beautiful stock and all it's incredible, you know, and we'll give you all this creative control and also we'll take 50% of the profits and So what was that last minute? Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, There was a show called Howdy Duty where a character apparently had the catchphrase cowl-bunga.

They sued for a million dollars, sorry, five million dollars for unauthorized use of the catchphrase cowl-bunga. Which way did that case go? At the toes or from the toes? That was at the toes. That was at the toes from this guy called Buffalo Bob. I can't remember the show. At the show, howdy-duty.

So cowl-bunga wasn't just do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that.

I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that.

I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even do that. I can't even you for this and I want $5 million. And then you did, they just kind of like, fath around a bit. And then they'll say, look, we'll settle for 50 grand. Yeah, they think so. So it's no, it's no effort on their part. They just file the motion and kill time. They're just looking for you to pay them off basically. Yeah, yeah.

To leave them alone. So apparently a lot of people would say they created the turtles. One guy said, God told them about the turtles and he just act on fast enough. How do you prove that? Yeah. There was a bit of... How do you prove it's not true, Jess? This is from Eastman's interview. There was a guy, a homeless guy, that Peter led new a little bit and he helped him out with money and et cetera. And one instance, this homeless guy created something like he invented something called Presidents in Out of Space, which was and and and and and drew it for him. It was like George Washington in a space suit like the big domed kind of helmet. And like and I guess it looked in this guy's mind it turned into a turtle. And he's like, I created the turtles. So I'm kind of

a bit of a leaf. And he filed a suit. this homeless guy filed a suit against him and kind of tied that up for years. They also got sued by the animation company that created the cartoon because basically those people said, we created this. Well, we need more money because everything that made the turtles good and profitable, we invented. Oh, right. But it was also, but it was, and again,

it was like this strike suit. It was kind of like, okay, we put the turtles in the sewer. But if you go to like issue one of this comic, the turtles are in the sewer. Or it's like, you know, we put April O'Neill in a jumpsuit. And that's issue two of the comics. Right. Kind of thing. So they didn't check any of the references.

I mean, yeah, they're using the wrong examples. The cul, what about the colored bandanas and these sort of things that like they definitely did make a lot of money. But that's true, but that was that was Peter lead. He did the bandanas. Okay, we should have checked that. I think that was actually Matt Schew at hand painting his own gift. Oh my god.

Look forward to posting a photo of that on such an idea. So they had to fight all these suits. They had to kind of like, they couldn't let up, because if they let one go through, they'd have to let a whole bunch of them go through. Apparently in a lot of countries, there's something called first to file, which is basically if you file a trademark in a country,

even if you had nothing to do with it, and then the original owners of that property come in, you can sue them. So there was a guy in the Middle East, and his name was Abu Shady. Oh, I got a funny film about this guy. Yeah, and he would go, he would look at like popular entertainment properties

in the United States, and he would file them in the various like Middle East and countries where he was. And then a couple of years later, like the Ninja Turtle skies would move. Like, hey, we'll bring this cartoon in the action figures or whatever to the Middle East. And this guy was like, what are you doing in pinching on my trademark? His name was literally Mr. Shady.

His name was Mr. Shady, right? And then basically, he was like, okay, if you want the character, if you want the rights of these characters, back here, you've got to pay me, you know, ex thousands of dollars kind of thing. Crap, are we registered for the Middle East? Oh, we all do. For Ninja Turtles, we should do that. Yeah. of dollars kind of thing. Crap, are we registered for the Middle East? Or... For Ninja Turtles, we should do that. Yeah.

I'm just ashamed of going there. Oh. Oh. So another one in Russia, if Russia had no like, it was like the Wild West out there. There was no trademark basically. Like anybody could rip you off, anybody could make your own action figures or whatever. So basically what they did in Russia is they had all these toys manufactured in Turkey where they had factories and they would literally drive them out.

The authorized 10-age Mutant Ninja Turtles retailers would bring trucks in to markets in Russia and sell them off the back of the truck. Oh, wow. And basically the agent who arranged all that was like, if anybody gives you any trouble, I'll kill them for you. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Clearly, business in Russia. The Ninja Turtles attracted like rip offs. There was tons of rip offs. You guys might recall the bike of my Stramas. I love the... Oh my God. The Stram much my guy. I love straight sharks as well. It would battle to sort of a rip off.

They were very much a rip off, yes. They came up from... Three sharks, isn't it? All right, so I had a few toys of straight sharks. I could've loved them. There was in comic book form, there was the adolescent radioactive black belt hamsters. There was the pre-teen dirty gene kung fu kangaroos.

Some of these were like... They're sort of spoof. Yeah, some of them were spoof. Which is, I mean, they're spoofing a spoof. Don't spoof a spoof Well some some of spoof's and some are like Some of spoof's and some are like well if This stuff's hot this dumb stuff is really hot So let's make let's make someone even dumb. Let's make something even dumb and harder like a girl Let's make something even dumb. And hotter, like a girl one. Oh, that's smart.

Put boobs on it. Well, if a new group went and did that, let's make girl frog mutants. I reckon that could have been smart. But actually, Bacomaster Miles did work. I think I did. I think so, yeah. That's it.

I had the toy of that as well. You had a lot of toys. I love toys. Did you have to just put them up with your brother? Well, I know my sister Jane definitely got the Michelangelo toy. Yeah, that's how you end up doing a podcast. You get heartbroken as a child. Yeah, you're a ruined person.

And then you pretend you're like Leonardo and Dona Tello, but really, we're both one and Mikey. Did, did Mikey get Mikey? Probably. I should have cut the boring ones loose, you know what I mean? She's got rid of them. Yeah. Is the Mikey in a raft show?

Should have said four Markies. Yeah. The Marky Bros. That's a party. Yeah. Yeah. That's a party. Yeah, that's a party.

So at a certain point, they were like, okay, this replacement again. I, at a certain point, Pete and I were spending 90% of our time running a business that was completely overwhelming. You could never comprehend what we had to do and what we had to do it. And it was our responsibility. These were our creations. We controlled them. And if we wanted that control, we had to spend the time.

We had to spend. So at a certain point, like, the guys that were making there, the comics were like, you know, we finished drawing for the day. You guys want to see a movie or something like like, you know, hey, we're finished, we're finished drawing for the day. You guys wanna see a movie or something like that. And they're like, we can't, we've got four hours of meetings after this, kind of like, we got licensing, we got to do media interviews,

we got to deal with people in saying people suing us kind of thing, like they were like, it's like, to be the boss. This has got a real feel of sell it and start another new small fun project. Or don't sell it and just retire young and be rich for a while. But they'd sound like they want to be drawing and stuff.

So they could sell it and see if they hire and back as artists. But yeah. But then imagine they would start another project just for the love of art. And then that felt really like a lot of work. Oh my god, not again. Yeah, definitely. Kevin Eastman did do that.

He took a little bit of time away. And he created his own another publishing company called Tundra, which was basically like, it was like creator-owned in. It was like all independent creators come at me with great original ideas for projects. And basically like 70 people came, like professional comic book writers and artists

came on board with great pictures and great ideas and it kinda got over well but he lost like $15 million on it. And it folded so. Oh, that's not great. That's great, he didn't want success. He didn't want, exactly, he didn't want success. But do you wanna lose 15 million?

Yeah, that's the price of not success. But imagine having enough that you could lose 15 million dollars. I'm still ever tanked. Still have a tank. Maybe you have to sell the tank. Oh, not the tank. I think you get the tank. Try and repossess the tank. Good luck. Hi, we're here to repossess the tank. No, you're not. Just one moment. I just have to get something out of the tank. I left my wallet in there one sec. I'm just gonna get that. No worries. Hey, mate, so this is my best, stupid question.

I'm ready. How do they make the swords shiny like that? It's paper. The artist. Yeah. Not the ninja himself. No, the artist. How do you get that effect?

It's just white, mate. It's an airbrushing effect, I think. Oh my God. Yeah, no, right, pretty amazing. That really looks like a shimmering. Would you like to hear some? I was almost afraid to touch it. I thought I would have a slush.

I thought I'd think you're right open. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to hear about some crazies? Because in addition to lawsuits, they also had crazies. Yeah. So one of the worst ones was a guy named Chris Vigoron Who said who believed that he he was writing on a bus once with Peter Leard And he he told Pete about the Ninja Turtles and like this is this is pretty the big break and Peter Leard was like that's an incredible idea. He's a hundred thousand dollars in cash

Like on the bus. He's like he just carries that for good. Yeah Yeah, he just did any any and he was like okay, you know Thanks, thanks. We now own the Ninja Turtles, but appreciate it, there's 100 grand. And this guy was like, okay, but I didn't know it was gonna be that successful. I thought. I thought it was a dumb idea.

I thought it was a dumb idea, and I just accepted the 100 grand, but now it's been massively successful. I want $40 million. And he was like, in cash on the bus. And he's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna drive drive to the I'm gonna take the bus rather to the the Mirage studios and I'm gonna get my I expect there to be a check when I when I get there so apparently he was walking around like near their offices like at a

sports bar and he's like I'm the president of Mirage I forgot where my office is can you can you tell me where it is? I've got a bloody... Oh, cool. Right away, sir, Mr. President. Yeah. That doesn't sound sass at all. Even if someone just said, do you know where the Mirage offices are? I'd be like, yeah, they're just down the road.

But if you said what walked in, said, I'm the president, I forgot where I was. Where I was. Where I was. Yeah. Also, where my pants. And what's the combination to the say? What's my name?

Then he pulled out half a garden shear and started waving it around A couple of guys tackled him to the ground the police came arrested him took him to jail and he called Mirage for bail By out of Matt and it was back there in the morning I mean right away Mr President and apparently he liked you you still write some letters and stuff So that's yeah, right. That's pretty good. The real question is about how do the other half of the guy shoot?

That is. That is probably probably left it in bloody somebody who worked for Marvel or something. That is the real question. There was a girl from France who had sexual fantasies about the Ninja Turtles. Yeah, exactly. We send drawings and really detailed explicit letters.

So that's pretty easy. I've never considered that. How? I thought symbol was hot. Yeah, yeah, I look, I, yeah, I did consider that. I never considered this. Ninja Turtles, a lion, yeah. Oh, big time.

But a ninja turtle? I don't know. I mean, they don't have, they got, what do they have a claw acca? I don't know how they're bits of a- That's I don't know. I mean, they don't have they got what they have a cloaca I don't know how that bits of the question. I wish we asked Ale a couple weeks ago. Yeah, do you think he would know? Do you think he has well? Yeah, all the cloaca were information. He came in and he did a whole episode about penis. Oh, yeah Yeah, for sure. Pineses is the plural of pennies. Peanies. That can be right. Apparently it is. Penies. I think we all go pen-eye because it's like the octopi situation. Yes.

That's not. No, apparently, Penies. Well, platypi. I don't think, another that's right, that's platypi-dice. What? It makes it, Penies. What? It makes it, Penies.

It's a Greek word, yeah, it's weird. That's dark. Octopodies. Makes me want to, you know, Penies. I'm Mr. Who's Penies. That's the kind of voice it feels like you could only say It's a one of those words it could oh Excuse me man. It sounds like man. It's the where the pennies Underboss of Mirage and I've hit my head. Where's my pennies?

And I've hit my head. Where's my penis? I've hit my head. Excuse me, sir. I think it's a very one-dimensional. I think there's an independent comic here. I mean, that could make you a few bucks. Look, eventually, the stress was too much for the two men. Oh, no. All good things must come to mind. Almost good. Yeah, absolutely.

All good things must come to mind. No, this still alive. That's right. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, I loved him. Yeah, I loved him. Good. Let's make it happen.

Let's send it in to email. Yeah. Eventually, Kevin Eastman sold his share of Mirage to Peter Lead for an undisclosed amount, but it was probably a lot. That was in the year 2000. Year 2000. And in 2009, Peter Lead sold the entirety of the 10 age meet Ninja Turtles to Viacom who owned Nickelodeon. So now that's in their

hands. So they're now they're now free. Here's the thing though. When Peter led sold his the the entirety of the Ninja Turtles to to Viacom, he put a clause in his contract that basically says he can write 18 black and white comics a year like he can create under the Rajbanna if he wants to, which he's done a couple of times. And also Kevin Eastman who has been out of the game for a long time, there's currently a currently running Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comic book series and he's writing and doing art on that. Oh cool. So I think... Like there's a subcontractor going back to the start. book series and he's writing and doing art on that. Oh cool. So I think that's really what

they wanted to do in the first place. It's like they would just like and they seem, they live in opposite sides of the country now, like lead still in Massachusetts and Eastman's moved to California, but it seems that's where Raphael lives. Exactly. Yeah. And that seems to be what they always wanted to do. And after several decades of intense stress and churning through lunatics and millions of dollars, they would just like... Real nice story in the end. It's a nice start and finish. A nice bit of a mess in the middle.

A bit of a hash in the middle, but yeah. What the movies are they? What did you do? Do you think of those films? I've seen a couple of them, Michael Bayewans and I thought, oh, I'm fine. Look, I like the first one from 1990, I enjoyed a lot. I got a VHS when it came out. It was a green VHS. I enjoyed that. Because that cops a lot of shit.

I mean, we were kids then, so it was probably, it was sort of, it felt kind of adult. Yeah, it did, especially compared to was sort of at felt kind of adult. Yeah, it did, especially compared to the cartoons. I like that one a lot. That one did really well. That cost like $14 million to make and then it made like 300 million.

Right. And the rest were kind of declining in quality and also in box office returns, exactly. Yeah. That movie was actually turned down by pretty much every major studio. Really? Like Disney and Warner Brothers and etc

Even though it was such a hot thing. Yeah, because a couple years prior you'd think so because they're making they're making billions of dollars Kind of handover this is how would the ducks doing? No, but it was it was a he-man's doing because A couple years beforehand they'd made a he-man and the masters of the universe move with Dolph Lungeran in the role. And again, that was the hottest, that was a hot, hot property. And that bombed like super hard. Yeah. It does like thinking back to it.

It got so big from being this stupid light cartoon. And then they kind of made it into this gritty sort of realistic, but also still obviously ridiculous. Hyper real. Is that what that is? Hyper realistic, but also still obviously ridiculous. Hyper real. Is that what that is? Hyper realistic, yeah. But I did love it as a kid. I watched a lot. I had it on video and played it a lot.

Taped it off the TV. Had a number one hit single. T-U-R-T-L-E-P-O-L-E-P-O-L-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I-P-O-I KRYME. Pretty good, right, Jess? Got it. Yes. No. Yeah, you got her to that, but I like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that song was badass. Yeah. Look, I'm sure I've missed out on a lot of stuff here, but if you have any questions about the teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, now's your chance.

You want an only chance. So who's who in the turtle? Oh, my goodness. No, I'm back. It's not Leonardo. So you said they're going to refresh the series for another movie franchise? Again, yes. What's the, is it going to be Bay again?

Or a full refresh? No, it's going to be, it's not, this one's not a sequel. This is a reboot. So I think Bay is out. It's probably doing another Transformers movie. Because he, you remember when he was rebooting it, he wanted to make him aliens. I do remember that. And there was backlash.

And he got a lot of kick back, yeah. Yeah, it was like, why? That might have also been like a, like a Bruce. Yeah, the blue guy. Like you give him the worst possible options and then people write. And then, like, I'll maybe I will make him new to the kids.

And then they go, all right, we'll let you make him snowboard down the mountain. Yes. Well, I guess they probably would do that. Yeah, I thought, I thought those tools are, you know, as you probably, pretty much exactly what I thought they were gonna be. Exactly, I thought I thought those songs are, you know, as you probably pretty much exactly what I thought they were going to be. Exactly. Yeah. But I love the idea. I mean, always excited of a reboot. We don't know. No one's attached to this stage. Not a single person. Oh, love that. No one wants to. I want to have Venus Tamala will be attached.

Oh, they have since I've Icom have acquired the-Futon Ninja Turtles, there is now another female turtle in the comic books. And I'm just Janica, and she's been much better received. She just looks like the other ones, except she's a girl. Right. More sense. That's good. But how do you then know that she's a girl?

High pitched girl voice. And she's got a bone in her. There we go. What color? What color's the mask? The mask is yellow. Right. And they go for Yep. What color? What color's the mask? The mask is yellow. Right.

And they go for five, because it's the same as the mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I think they did. Yeah. They just needed one more, I think, for the next position. If it's going to be successful, it's going to be five. It's going to be five. It's the magic number. Four.

When's the foursome ever been successful? Um. Um. Uh. Um. Uh. Yeah. He's a little fun fact for you. I might round it out with this one. Love a fun fact. In the 1980s, the first pitch Eastman and lead got for a film treatment was from Roger Coleman, his the famous kind of schlocky independent film director.

And the idea was that the turtles were going to be played by men in turtle shells and green makeup. These men were going to be Billy Crystal, Bobcat Goldflake, Sam Kinnison and Gallagher. That's fun. So it was going to be weird, right? That would have been real weird. Super weird. So strange. But yeah, maybe because they kind of were into subverting stuff and so maybe yeah

Like maybe another you know, I think if if this hadn't kicked if the if the the Insane Ninja Turtles Empire hadn't kicked off the multi-billion dollar may have I think if they'd stayed in the And hadn't been sell outs This could have been the thing. Yeah, we'd be like, hey, remember that movie that Sam Kennis? Maybe the last movie Sam Kennis and was him before he died. He would have been Raphael. No doubt. Oh, yeah, for sure. But Gold White would have been Mike Calangelo, I think. Oh, Billy Christel would have been an artist, but who's Gallagher gonna be the watermelon guy? He's done it. He's the nerd. All right, fair enough. Yeah.

The watermelon guy. He's the nerd. All right, fair enough. Yeah, the watermelon guy. He's the nerd. Yeah. Oh, that's a great report. I didn't know really any of that. Well, I knew that too much of that. Thank you, but also not enough of that. I was fascinating. It's fascinating, right? Hey, I'm sure I've missed a bunch of stuff. I made some words that I didn't quite get to, but that is one of those things that you can never get to all the stuff, especially with something so rich. I don't even cover the Archie comics. There were two. What does that mean? Well, they're in conjunction with the cartoon. They also made like a child-friendly Archie comics version of the Ninja Turtle. So there was like the Grimm and Grimm and Grimm and

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I'm trying to figure it out. So 2009's when he fully sold it. Yes. And then that would have been when they started developing the Michael Bay. Yes, I could say. But there was also that CGI. I see it.

2007 movie. I was TMNT. Oh, I saw that at the scene of ours. That was the last movie kind of under the the the the guidance of Peter led right I think that did like the critics really liked it I remember that that one's more about you can't get it It's not it's not available online. I tried to watch it recently and it's not on any of the streaming services I don't think you can you can't seem to buy it on iTunes or anything.

That one was more about like the teenage mutant New Zealanders becoming like sad middle-aged men. That's why I'm really making that one. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for that report. What a pleasure. Thanks for having me. Thank you, Mesa.

Would you like to hear a fact or a question? Yes. Oh, we're in great luck because this is the time of the show where we do a fact or a question. What's the segment called? Jess has got a jingle for it. Fact, quote or question. Ding. And this is a segment where one of our Patreon supporters, who can support us at patreon.com

slash do go on pod. And they, if you're on the Sydney Sharnberg Memorial Deluxe Rest in Peace level, you get to give us a fact to quote or a question, as well as so many other things like voting on two of the three topics we do, and you get into the Facebook group. People give a quote. Quotes are the least common. For the Donatello.

Fact is the most common, then. Because people want to tell you things. Yeah, then question, and then sad old quotes. Yeah, poor old quotes. Sad old. Louza quotes, sit on the court. Oh, pick me, pick me. We won't quote.

Now pick in your quote. Yeah, quotes. Yeah, nerd. God damn it. No, some people do sometimes. No one has in a long time though. I'm just looking, I don't think anyone has in the last few months and no one is in the next. Man, if you want to get read out on the show, do a quote with a novelty sake.

Sure, yeah. What's the best quote you ever heard on fact, quote a question? Oh man, as if I remember... What's a quote you've ever heard in any morning of life? Just say it was from this, who's gonna know? Yeah, um... I remember once someone quoted themselves, which I really liked. That's good.

That's good. Imagine having that level of confidence. I can't. It's buying a tank level of confidence actually. Yeah. Yeah. But this time around, it is a fact, and it comes from Christian Good Year,

and he also gets to give himself a title, and he's given himself the title of VP of procrastination bracket. I'll run for president later bracket. That's good stuff. That's good. That's good. That's the title that keeps on giving there. I love that. I wonder if that's a lot of the very good year. He nailed it. And his fact is, Jesus short but sweet. I never read him to a read him. I'm saying it's sweet. I don't know what it is.

It's short though. There is an estimated 300 sextillion stars in space. That's a sexy fact. Wow. I'd never heard that number before. Sextillion. But that makes me assume it's big. Yes.

I also don't fact check any of the facts. I shouldn't tell them that. That's gonna maybe, please give us real facts. I think you could tell. I think if somebody gave you a fake fact, you'd know. Yeah. I mean, you know within, you're pretty straight wise. That would be a weird fake fact to give.

So you aren't all looking at me quietly laughing that I'm saying a fake number sex-tillion. No, I think that's a. That's a real. David, no, he's a mathematician. Mathematician. I copy right into that phrase. But in all territories. I'll make the remainder disappear. Christian Goodia, that's a great fact. So short and sharp. Oregon, that's the most succinct. I don't know why I go for that word, I can't say it.

It's the Sam is orangutan. I, because I do a podcast, it's a lot about movies. I often have to say the word well, choreographed, choreography. Oh yeah. It's very difficult for me. Photography.

Photography. Yeah. Yes. Abominable. Oh. Yes. A bomb in a bull. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. I just can't say the word sixth. Sixth. Yeah. Dave, you just said it then. I don't know if I did because every time I think I'm nailing it, these guys go, that's wasn't it. No. Give us one more. Henry the sixth. Yeah. I think maybe, I think maybe you were saying sixth. You were, you were cutting out the... So I've made zero effort to change my ways

and now I'm getting it right. I don't know what I did. We bullied it, India. Yeah, that's it. See, a lot of people say bullying bad. I think we show. Bullying good. Bullying, a lot of people say bullying bad.

Not me. Anyway, thank you so much a much Christian good yet. And we also like to thank a few Patreons at the end of our episodes, Mason. Would you be willing to thank a couple as well? Yes. Just normally gives us a little game to play. Maybe we give them some sort of a thing

based on the topic of the episode. I think we should give them a bandana and a weapon of choice. Oh, yeah, yeah. We never really talk about that. OK, so Leonardo, blue with the two swords as Dave said. Oh, no, Right. We never really talk about that. Okay. So Leonardo, blue with the two swords as Dave said. Oh, no, I didn't talk about non-chucks.

Non-chucks. Oh, yeah, look briefly. When the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, if we have time for more things, when the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie came out in the UK, people were very surprised because up until that point, they'd known them as the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. Oh, wow. people very surprised because up until that point they'd known them as the 10 age mutant hero turtles. In the UK that's what they called, because apparently they calling something ninja in the UK was essentially against the law, because that ninja promoted like it was like a crime, it had connotations relating to crime, and so like that was a very much a big no-no. So if you look at intro for that cartoon at the time,

they've really crudely scrubbed out the ninja part. And it looks like they've wiped out, and drawn it in with white out hero in there. And all references to ninjas are taken out. Because there was a censor at the time for the British and the British Bureau of Film Classification who had a thing against ninjas and specifically against non-chucks.

For whatever reason, like when he... His wife ran off with a non-chuck maybe. Like when he became the head of the BBC, he recalled all copies of Enter the Dragon, the Bruce Lee movie, because he's got non-chuck sinners. Even though that movie had been out for like six years at the time, he recalled it. He recalled every copy he's like, but this is ban now, you've got to bring it in. He also... That atmosphere. Yeah, there was a movie in the 80s called Dragnet. It had Tom Hanks in it and Dan Acroid. And in that movie, there's a scene where there was a enter the dragon poster on the wall that also got

censored because he hated it. He hated non-shocks. That's weird. That's so weird. So are the people like that get those jobs? I don't know. You just seem so strong. It's so, it's just, it's just forceful and like,

he can make the tough decisions, I guess so if you bought a copy of If you sort of all the posters for enter the dragon in the UK He didn't have nunchucks and he's hands yet a stick like this one a twig Yeah, exactly and and so this was a problem for the Ninja Turtles because obviously Michael Angela has the nunchucks so in the like all references to it in the cartoons had to be removed. And the Ninja Turtles cartoon even got kind of like more and more. Right. I remember the cartoon. He went from nunchucks and then he suddenly just had like a grappling hook, which was like the step they all had a grappling hook, but that became

kind of his standard issue. Yeah. Very boring. Basically, they created the cartoon. Well, if this is going to happen in the UK, it could happen anywhere. You know, we better we better alter this cartoon. So it's less offensive to people. The sensors like two swords. Love it. Yeah. Oh, hang on. That doesn't make any sense at all. This is my favorite story of all time. Oh, If I can find it I've got you self favorite story of old Tom for me. It's probably Romeo and Juliet Star cross lovers will they won't they? They were on a bright

Is there ever any doubt about will they? Yeah, first couple will they won't they kill themselves? Yeah. Got damn it. Yeah, that might be it's a story for another time. That's so inner of the Nunchucks. I, yeah, they're sort of the fun ones. I remember in the first film, pretty sure it was the first film. He was, there was sort of a, a nunchuck off between Mikey and one of the foot clan.

Yes. And they, so he was like the the foot So they're in the full black suit and they're he's sort of show and off a bit of his nunchucks So Mikey then does a trick and then it's sort of the back and forth thing and it finishes He he wins it by basically like it's been a basketball on your finger He spun the nunchucks on his finger with the chain part Touching his finger and he's sort of like was blowing on his nose. Nonshell, aren't we? Lucky you lived in Australia because in the UK they didn't get that same.

He's also in the second Ninja Turtles movie. They were like cow-towing to censorship. And so most of the characters don't even use their weapons in that movie. And there's a scene in that. Let's just talk about it. Yeah, there's a scene in that, in the second one, where Michelangelo, rather than using his nunchucks, he has like two sausages, like, together, and he spins around like they are nunchucks.

The British version they cut that as well. Oh my God. Oh my God. Hang on, because. Probably vegans. Yeah, because. Ah. Ah.

Ah, it's so weird and amazing. It's just one man having this weird... It's having a weird day because of how the recording is strange. Firm and stood strong insisting cuts of this scene had to stand because of concerns that the sausages would look like weapons to any street wise 8-year-old. That was like an official British... But he was okay, we saw it. Well that's a thing. They were the least.

And size. They were like tiny pointy, I mean, all trotns of pointy. But they're like, they're like triple stabbers. Raphael's thing. Yeah, yeah, triple stab. So anyway, this is my favorite. And I'll leave you guys on this.

But this is a story from Film Classification in the UK. Maybe I should have done the whole report on this, but they had a meeting about this because some of his fellow employees were like, my kids are saying you're ruining these movies. You're ruining the cartoons. Like they're just a bit of fun. There's no crime or whatever.

So in an attempt to swerve the director from his chosen path of non-non-chucks, an examiner now decided that extreme steps had to be taken. Halfway through of one of the boards meetings meetings on weaponry, he reached into his pocket and slightly produced a pair of the dreaded chainsticks. He then started to swing them around above his head, but unfortunately the chain immediately got caught around his neck and the examiner nearly strangled himself. But even after this peerless demonstration of the weapon's self-destructive capability in the hands of enthusiastic amateur, Ferman

was still not persuaded to desist. Finally, inperation the examiner's told him that there was no evidence from the police all the courts that the weapon had been used for years are replied to him perturbable director that shows the success of my policy so that's that's bureaucracy for you all right that's in extreme on that that's much like the Homer's rock that prevents their tigers. Also, St. Patrick got all the snakes out of Ireland. Yeah, right. There's never any snakes. Maybe there is, I don't actually know.

I don't know. Maybe somebody could send a fact in. That would be so good. That would be so good. But, so let's thank a few Patreons. Please. What was your idea, Mesa? We're going to give them all. And Denizen Weapons. A color. Yes, so we need to come up with eight different colors not possible

Well, we've already eliminated blue red Burkle origin yellow. I mean if they sound like a Donatella. Oh Alright, great. Eight different shades of brown. Do you want to kick us off Mesa? Yeah, let's do it Okay, where are we? So up here on the white one? Okay, right. This is a Vanessa Hackett from Long Beach, California. Oh! Oh, there's a full address, all right? And a remote.

It's so cool. That bit is, that's confidential. Oh, yeah, cool. I will hack it. I'm thinking like, Meshettis in a chain. Oh, hack, yep, yeah. Hatchettis in a chain.

What's a hatchet again? Is that like an action? Like a little action. Yeah, two hatchets. Two hatchets. Yeah. All right, let's play it. a hatchet again? Is that like a little little? Yeah, two hatches. Two hatchets. Yeah. All right. One hatchet.

One machete. That's all something. Yeah, that's badass. What does it have a nest sound like? What color? What color? I'm getting a lavender. I'm getting turquoise.

I was singing lime green. Well, no, we're never going to come up. I was just taking three of the, you got the starting vote. OK, well, it's striped. It's lavender. It's diagonally striped turquoise lavender. It would look quite nice actually. Yeah. We've gone big early. We've used up, I just said that we're gonna think of it

eight colors. We've used burnt three on one. You did this. You all did this. And we've burnt two weapons and three colors. That's right. One. Vanessa, thank you so much for your support. Vanessa's on the Facebook group. And if you are one of our Patreon supporters, you can also join us on this Facebook, the Patreon, do-go Patreon's on Facebook. That's so good. There's a link on the Patreon page

or ask me for it if you need it. Just on the straight. Yeah. Cut the shops. Yeah, let me. From your car. What's a Patreon group call? So thank you so much, Vanessa. Who else would you like to make? Just on the straight. Yeah. At the shops. Yeah, let me. From Newcastle. What's a Patreon group call? So thank you so much, Vanessa. Who else would you like to make? We've got Anya Kojis.

She's from Brunswick. But not the Brunswick Yorf Millie. But the Brunswick New Zealand. Brunswick New Zealand. Brunswick New Zealand. Brunswick New Joysy. Yes. There's also a Brunswick New Zealand.

New Zealand. New Zealand. I'm doing the hacker here. Okay. I'm doing the hockey here. I'm a flightless bird over here. I don't know any of these islands, weapons. A candle.

But they don't, their cops don't carry them. I don't think they, I don't think they're a big weapon nation. I think they're peace loving. They're love loving. You're right. They're kind of the better us in a lot of ways. Ah, in every way. What about, what about, what about a rugby? What about a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, not really bad. Yeah, it's a pretty good size. Yeah, color or color, Anja. Well, all black.

Oh, yes. Black's the best band downer anyway. Yeah. Goes with everything. Yeah, it goes. It's very Melbourne actually. Oh, classy. Anja, Anja.

Thanks so much, Mesa. Thank you so much. Anja, good Anja. Is that what, based on what Dave went for? Yeah, yeah. But just Mesa. Thank you so much. I knew it. Good on you. Is that what base of what Dave went for? Yeah, yeah. Great, but just slightly better. All right. On to you, Matthew. Well, I'd love to thank from Croydon in New South Wales. Beth, Hal, Haywood.

It's not the Croydon I'm thinking of. No, I feel like this is going to happen a bit. Oh, I'm Croydon. Sorry. Beth, Hal Hayad from Crowder. What are you thinking, Beth Jess? What kind of weaponry? Weaponry, I'm thinking a bazooka.

Nice. Oh, wow. That is great. That is open up a whole new dimension of weapons we can use in this. The sensor is going to love that. bazooka. Okay, that's fine. It was the only gun chucks. Oh yeah, Pizzooka knows.

It's not a gun, it's fun, right? That's awesome. Oh, I love a Pizzooka, yes. And what color for Beth? I was thinking silver. Oh. Pizzooka, that's a good combo. I like it.

Yeah, yeah. That does feel like when they're really taking it up and off. Yeah, it's just like a modern day Ninja Turtle. Yeah, yeah. Oh, somebody's gonna be a rose gold. So now, rose gold is so in. Mm, I love it. Yeah.

She says with their rose gold, I'm gonna look at me, a piece of shit. Silver Ninja Turtle. Thank you so much, Beth. And I'd also love to thank from Abbotsford, but not the one you're thinking. Oh, what? Abbotsford in British Columbia, Canada.

Well, that's the one I was thinking. You, what? Avid's fit in British Columbia, Canada. That's what I was thinking. You weren't thinking the Abbot's fit, not funny. Around the corner. Oh, what are the chances? I'd love to thank from Abbot's fit, Matt Peters. Matt Peters. When I think Abbot's fit, I think the Abbot's fit Convents. Yes.

So I think maybe some sort of large crucifix. Oh, yes. Yeah. It's like a rosary bea bit, like a rosary bea. Like a ros crucifix. Oh, yes. Swing it in. It's like a rosary beabit, like a rosary beabit. Like a rosary beabit on a rosary beabit. Yeah, rosary beabit. Made out of titanium. Yeah, yeah.

With the crucifix on the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if I think Abbotsford, I think of Abbotsford's stats, so I'm thinking like a deep brown. Yeah, nice. That's foamy. Foamy. I'm pretty sure the nuns at the Convent War Brown, and light blue that makes sense. Oh, brown and blue Yeah, those nuns they're never gonna pick up where and those kind of colors

Yeah, those stupid nuns You're gonna be celibate the rest of your life Yeah, they do sound like they're probably. The package of virgins. Thanks, Matt Peters. Thanks Matt. It is probably not a virgin. Not there's anything wrong with that.

I know we have a lot of virgins listening this probably. And I'm not making fun of them. I was one of them once. Why? Wow. I'm not even saying that. You thought this was a safe space for you to admit that, but it wasn't.

It's a legend. Can I thank some people as well? Please, that would mean a lot to me. I would love to thank from Remington VA VA VA VA VA VA. Virginia. The original state. I think, I wonder if that's also Remington is where like electric raises come from. My hair straightener is a Remington. Whoa. And my hair dry earth. Wow,

they diversified. I would love to thank Andrew Loving. Oh, I love. I love him. He's loved my name, Chainsaw by nature. Oh yeah yeah, he's like he's a real sick Terrible chainsaw impression, but you get the idea. Yeah, yeah, that's odd to the noise in person Sorry, give us a give us a I mean you were pretty close actually Close up. Once it's like a vacuum is stuck on a peanut, but a chainsaw actually sent a little more like this. Um. Rararoo! Rararoo! Holy shit, I like shutting myself because I thought there was a chainsaw in the nose. No, no, it's mad actually.

Whoa. Oh my god, I also got the petrol smell. Yeah. Somehow. I have to do that. I've got the same time. I bring in, it's a whole 3D experience. It's been a freaking carousine.

Man of the thousand noises and six cents. Yeah. The noise is always accurate, but it's mostly petrol. Oh, Andrew, loving. We love you. Hulla? Hulla. I'm thinking like a crimson, like a very deep burgundy kind of red for all the blood. Oh, I can't get the taste.

Start it white. Oh, sure. I can't get the blood. Yeah, with all the blood. I think I'll have a good one. You two went very different. I went for it I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm GA? Oh, Georgia. Georgia.

Herbert Covington. Oh, detective. Oh, Herbert Covington. Detective Herbert Covington. I love the detective Herbert Covington. He's a frequent tweeter, frequent retweeter of all of our stuff. Yeah.

Herb, we appreciate that. Yep, and. love Herbs work. Weapon-wise, maybe, oh, I was thinking Herbs are like a herb rack. Oh, yeah. Oh, love it. Yeah, good, good. She's got access to spices, which you can throw

on people's eyes, but also physical rack. You can just hit people with their head with. Yeah, yeah. And he mostly has the spices, the start of the fight, towards the end of the fight. They're just, yeah, I just thought there's peppercorns. There's nutmeg being thrown. Cumin, cumin.

But it's a little bit like Captain America's shield, like it returns to him. Oh, he is sure. And that's, it captures throws it in a certain way that it comes back to him. Well, who's to say her, but it doesn't have the skills to do that. Exactly, that's what I mean, yeah. Exactly, so thank you to Herbert.

Thank you to the man of a thousand spices. We appreciate that. Finally, I'd like to thank a couple of people who have I may. You've all had a go, I reckon I know what to do now. Could I please thank from New York, and not the one you're thinking of, the one in the United States of America in New York state Okay, Camilla Jones

That's not so far off an actual care Casey Jones Yeah, I was thinking it's not so far away from Camilla Park of all Also that I think it's also relevant combined. Let's combine Also that also relevant combined let's combine hockey Mars. Yeah, hockey Mars and also like go clubs. Yep, uh, bowl a hat bowl a hat exactly And a love of Prince Charles. Yeah nice nice nice. Yep. A bit like a odd job throws the hat I get confused with her and Fergie. No, Fergie Foggy's in blackhead pace. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. He's in blackhead pace. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. She's not the one with Prince Charles. That's Kenil. Why are you married? You're familiar with the London Bridge. Okay. That London London Bridge.

That London London Bridge. It's going down. Yeah, I think so. I don't know what it's meant. It's the shame. Yeah. Al Camilla Jones. So, did you got a hockey stick?

She's got a ball of hat. Auro in the movie at least, the original movie, I think he had a bag of golf clubs, maybe some hockey sticks in there. Yeah, and like a cricket bat in there. He's got a cricket bat. Oh, cricket bat, I love that. Oh, like a bloody, you know?

That's right, yeah. Like a millipug of balls, is that? Wow. And a color. And a color. I'm thinking like a, like a mint grain. Oh, like a, like a, like a, like a pant suit would be, you know, like a suit mint grain. I love a mint grain. Oh, like a pant suit would be, you know? Yeah, a suit mint green.

I love a mint green. Mm. Fantastic. And I love, you could go to the races. I love the mentors. I love mint chocolate. Thanks Camilla. It's a place where they print money.

Oh, I love the mint. I love all mint. Thank you Camilla Giants. You complete us. I mean, not all mint, obviously. Not all mint. No hashtag, not all mint. That's the one for our Ki all men obviously not all men. No hashtag not all men That's the one for a kiwi listeners. Yeah, not all men

Do you think they put a tea in the man? Yeah, cuz they say they say kiwi say Women as woman. Yeah, there's a lot of woman here I know that I can't I'm that confusing and ever I'm there a, like a Kiwi stand up or something talking or just a person. Yeah. I'll, I will not get past that word. I'll keep talking for another few minutes and I'm just saying woman.

Yeah. You mean women. Is this Joker up here, right? Well Matt, I don't see accents. Okay. You are better than I. You're the best of us. Dave, bring it home. Finally, I have saved a great name for last, all the way from

Sacramento, Alicia whole or Alicia Alicia oh Alicia yes, like Silverstein Silverstone silver Silverstein Stein Alicia Silver Baronstein Baron's done. Yeah, I'll eat your whole. Thank you so much Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone. Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's

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stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone, Baron's stone You know in that other Fat-bicylim film clip everything's all exploding. Yeah, just a bunch of those Oh, right. It just brings in like a free How just explodes a leisure you were so lucky to come on last Yeah, so we're gonna go on to one of those paint places where they'll make it their color paint Whatever you ask for and we'll go a paint shop paint shop One of those those color places A paint witch doctor, yes. That's not in my vernacular, sorry.

I'm not using that word right, but you go and I want those page jumps, you say, could I get, I want to paint my living room in Christopher walking dancing. Yes. In the weapon of choice video clip. In the weapon of choice video, and I'll do that for you. That's right, yeah. That's how good they are. I mean, they'll sigh, before they do it.

Not again. Don't you want to just beige? Yeah, we got beige ready to go. Don't you want hogs bristle? That's what my parents have all over their hair. What? Hogs bristle. That's not true.

Yep. That sounds like a Harry Potter spell. It does, and that's the color. Hogs bristle, sir. How lovely. A pro-fairer. Most pro-fairer. Harry Potter.

Harry Potter. Harry Potter. Harry Potter. Harry Potter. Harry Potter. How lovely! I'm a pro fan, most of the pro fan. That's best also. Matt has recently watched all the Harry Potter films. Good for you. How they go as an adult. Oh, thank you so much for seeing me that way. I quite enjoyed him. And then was sort of unsatisfied a lot at the end of...

You know, it was like... I sort of like the idea of it. Oh, I've never seen the last one, so I like it. I like the idea of it. And there was a great scene where Nick Cave was playing and Hermione was dancing with one of the guys, either the red-headed one, or the main character. Right.

Harry Potter. Harry Potter. And they're in a tent, but it was bigger inside. I really like that. Were you watching Doctor Who? That's it. Harry Potter. Yeah. I can't, and they're in a tent, but it was bigger inside. I really like that. Are you watching Doctor Who? That's it. I did. Anyway, I think I just like that song is all it was.

That's good song. Yeah, it was good song. But look, let's let Mesa go. Okay. Thank you to everybody who did support us. On Patreon, if you want to, you can head to patreon.com. For what's our do-go-on pod. Do-go-on pod is all about social medias. It's our email address. Just look it up.

You'll get there. Yeah, look it up. Do-go-on pod.com is our website. Everything's there. Yeah, we got merch. We got tickets. We got beautiful pictures of our faces. Yeah.

We've got inform. You saw this? Drawn by other people, so they're actually there would better totally Let us know on the social media if you're if you're a turtle head I'd love to see some photos of you wearing face paint as a child. Yes, maybe it's an adult Oh even better if you want to make through the extra step do it today. Yeah, don't we have a photo We've shared a photo of you in a ninjatles. No, it was a green power angel Of course, I've got there's a photo of me with an injured turtle face pain as a kid

That's all I think I'm just looking for an opportunity to share a photo But I didn't realize that's what I was doing, but that's probably what my brain was trying to do there Yeah, we want to see it. Oh, if you're sharing them maybe I could maybe share one of my Sharing them maybe I could maybe share one of my You could share some some personal vulnerabilities tell tell us those ones Oh, you're here you're listening feelings. I mean who's got feelings. I'm like maybe share those Wow, this could be a whole new me. All right, so yeah, anyway. Thanks everyone for it Probably especially mace and this also wraps up the block for another year Isn't that sad? Does it? Is it the end of block? The second last week of block. What?

Are you talking about Unless you've decided to release it in a different order than what Jess and I were thinking Maddie Have you come up with an additional report for block like the most the most epic block there ever will be? Yeah, I thought that that's a Most requested topic was coming up next week. Oh, right. I just assumed Mesa goes last. All right, we're recording him in order.

I love this. I was already going to be confused about trying, I was going to try and do some sizzle. Like, I predict next week, I'll get sidetracked by meeting the creators of the Ninja Turtles. Oh my god, that would be so good if, maybe do it anyway. Just in the next episode, just constancy to something that will never eventually end. Happen the week before. Yeah, great. All right, I'll do that. You're cool.

Thanks so much for coming for the penultimate. What a pleasure. Thank you, Nick Mason. And we were all of the shine has been taken off, but now that I know, I'm not the last one, but all right. You were the last one last year, that's what I thought it was our block tradition Oh, okay, go out with a mace Traditions are made to be broken in my opinion That's what they say isn't it. That's why you're the best

That's why you're all the best because of that weird dumb saying yeah, yeah If we want to hear remembering things is the why I'm the best If we want to hear you every single week, mate So I have a fantastic podcast. You can go to the weekly planner. I don't know, you can go to your podcast app and you can find the weekly planet. We were talking about movies and comic books

and TV shows and such. Would you have done a Ninja Turtles special? No, I think we reviewed the most recent Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, which I didn't mind, and I got a lot of hate mouths about minding it. Oh? With the A. How dare you have an opinion? I will never do it again. Yeah, do it. But more importantly than my dumb podcast, if you're interested in saving the world a little bit, Planet Broadcasting is doing a fundraiser to ease the fact that we're all burning up in the world's burning and we're going to die.

So we're raising money to build a seaweed farm, which apparently, if the science checks out, we can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there.

We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We can all live there. We're all the listeners, so that's really good. And the the the the intrepid foundation, which is helping us do this is matching that dollar for dollar.

So every time if you make it, if you don't have a dollar, I would appreciate that they'll they'll put in a dollar. Who's the intrepid foundation? Is that the charity? That is the charity. So the charity is spending what they, they're donating it to themselves. Yeah, I think they must be.

That's so good. No, I think they must be. That's so good. No, I think it's a third party. And I think it could be a third party. A third party. But they're linked to in the in the Trappin Travel. Yes. Oh, the travel company that does two

and stuff. That's the charity out there. Oh, that's great. They're funneling some of their their contiki profits into all this. Yeah, exactly. Oh, I see. Turning good times into good vibes. That's right. That's not anything. All right. Oh, it's neat. Turning good times into good vibes.

That's right. That's not anything. All right, so please finish this. Oh, good things have to come to an end. Well, we'll put a link to that fantastic charity in the podcast description, as well as all the other links to Mase's other podcasts a weekly planet and our website. You can buy tickets, all that stuff that Jess said. But until next week, we'll say thank you, Mr Mason.

Oh, thanks for having me. But a pleasure to have the fourth slash fifth beetle in the room once again But until next week also thank you and goodbye Mace ho This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. I mean, if you want, it's up to you. This episode is brought to you by Progressive.

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